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Hi.
If I was to buy this ESP32 board, what is the boardname I would have to use during initial configuration of ESPhome?
Any US based folks have local weather monitoring equipment tied into their HA instance? I'm interested in adding such a feature but don't really know where to start with hardware.
Wow. That looks amazing
Hey guys, any UK based peeps that can recommend some good WiFi light switches? Between ยฃ5-ยฃ20
Anyone had a SR04M-2 ultrasonic sensor working with ESPhome?
has anyone used one of these smart servo motors that open and close valves? Like this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002798832590.html
Is there a model you can recommend? Zigbee or wifi would work really, since those devices need plugged power anyway
are there any connected padlocks other than igloohome's smart padlock (proprietary, not connected)
anyone have a indoor co2/air pressure/air quality hardware that doesn't need cloud connectivity (and didn't DIY) they can recommend? I think wifi preferred, but I can do zigbee/zwave if needed
@smoky dock separate lab grade sensors are the way to go if you don't want to DIY. i keep coming to the unfortunate conclusion I need to DIY after doing foobot, awair, etc.
So if I already have HA running inside a Docker container on my NAS.
Can I setup a separate RaspberryPI+RaspBee instance and link the two? Or they need to be running on the same host in order to have HA use it properly?
anyone using a Schlage Connect? trying to figure out if there's a way I can display updates to the bolt being locked/unlocked when it's manually opened/closed
@glossy elbow I have one of these: https://shop.switchdoc.com/products/wireless-weatherrack2?_pos=3&_sid=329d00c1d&_ss=r it speaks over 433.92MHz and use a SDR receiver with rtl_433 which will send sensor data over MQTT and then have a MQTT sensors in home assistant for every weather sensor I want to consume. Plus you can pick up your neighbors sensors too. ๐
Does anyone have any experience setting up an ODROID-N2+ ? I'm stuck at the starting line, can't see it on my network at all. Does it take quite a while to come online?
Under what name should I search for a sensor to detect the level of ambient light?
Any sensor reporting lux will do that
Yeah, but what are those sensors called?
Many sensors support that, many that have multiple functions
Light sensors? Iโm not sure what youโre looking for
I want to use a sensor to detect the light levels in my room and turn on the light based on that
Many sensors do that
A Google search for โsensor that measures ambient light for <some protocol>โ is a place to start
I was recently amused to discover that the Shelly Door/Window Sensor 2 also has a temp and lux sensor.
(in addition to the reed switch and tilt sensor)
Itโs almost a default โwhy not?โ addition
Trying to add an I2C sensor to an ESP32-Cam. Can't find any decent info on how to setup the I2C config in the ESPhome YAML. Anyone know where I can find some sample code with both the camera and a second I2C device working?
Right now I've got the sensor (BME280) on gpio's 14/15 and tried several ways of defining them in the code. None worked.
Any recommendations for microphone for use with Almond?
#voice-assistants-archived would be better
Hi everyone, I want to extend by "BLE Range", I guess by adding a receiver or two around the house and use them to capture the broadcasts. What sort of device am I looking for? I am having trouble figuring that out.
Hey all! What hardware are you all running your Home Assistant instance on? Iโm running HASS.io Oracle VirtualBox image on Windows - but need to move as Coral no worky. Looking for recommendations. Cheers
hey there, i use the hass os on hyper v vm,
not related, but what alarms do you people use that will work with home assistant? either wired or wireless
did you actually read the link?
yes
That's a list of all the official alarm integrations - you know, actual units, with sensors etc
ive been through them all, I guess what i meant to ask was: which alarm systems have people used in the list, either wired or wireless
Then see the pinned messages
If you're after recommendations, you need to say more than what have people used
i will ask later, so i can word it much better...
Hi, does anyone integrated shelly 3em? 3 Phase for Monitoring Power? I need the Total of All Phases in kWh i would like to Monitor devices to get sensor data. For automatons.
Integrations would be the #integrations-archived channel
Sry.. Channel mix
Can someone help me out setting up HA on a synology NAS?
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/alternative
Options included there are:
- VM for #330990055533576204
- Docker for #449717345808547842
I do need the supervisor one. Already tried by using Docker, but then the supervisor option is not available
Also tried adding the Synocommunity but hass.io is not available anymore. Only HAcore
Hassio hasn't been a thing for over 18 months
Okay and if i want HAOS i do need a virtual machine?
Yes
Okay thank you. I do need to upgrade memory first then.
I already tried using a VM but the maximum available memory was 250mb
Thats not enough right?
Not even close
Okay thankyou
an ESP32 development board
Does anyone know if the kasa smart light switches are still incompatible with home assistant
Nuc is always said as the big boy step up from pi. Im running an i3 nuc, but with ai etc its not the fastest and thinking future what is the opinion between nuc, generic mini pc (lenovo etc) and a laptop? My next setup would be debian with docker, no proxmox or unraid since i have license, but feel its overkill with nas setup. Regardless what hardware would be most future proof with enough kick to do ai and face detection (so good cpu and nvidia is pro, coral is good for object, but not face)
So no one has an ESP32-CAM with an I2C sensor hooked to it?
Don't know about switches per say, but i have several switched outlets (HS-100/110) that work fine wit the TPLink integration.
Found the answer myself finally...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Esphome/comments/g6yf5x/is_it_possible_to_use_an_i2c_sensor_with_an/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Does anyone know if this will cooperate with Home Assistant? I don't see an integration for "iotty" but it might be running something else under their skin like Tuya or something. https://iottysmarthome.com/collections/all-products/products/iotty-smart-switch?variant=13033148645475&gclid=CjwKCAjwgb6IBhAREiwAgMYKRn5r3d_c6iqv84ItRRVnaUNLnxe-ZHrURPxZgt6wAeOnczAPN8OMBxoCkvwQAvD_BwE
Well that blows. Any recommendations for a 3 in one smart switch like that? I've got a box two wide with three switches in it and I'd love to automate it. Most of my switches are MartinJerry running Tuya so integration and automation are super simple. I've also got some zigbee stuff so i'm just not sure what hardware will fit my use case.
@ me if anyone sees this and has a suggestion. bedtime for me
Does anybody have experience with the Tuya WiFi-enabled circuit breakers?
what constitutes "experience"?
As in .... installed / used one?
yes
Excellent. What was your experience, do they work as you'd expect (which for me is: power draw through each circuit, break upon short (guess you didnt test that), resume working) ... any issues or concern in general?
i didn't measure power draw. i didn't short it on purpose. resume working is what exactly?
I read somewhere that after a circuit breaker is triggered, these things can flip the switch back to 'on'
i have Tasmota on it so that's not a concern
Interesting Tasmota will load on there.
What do you mean its not a concern ... ?
Not a functionality you require?
because i have full control with Tasmota and don't depend on Tuya's ideas of "usability"
Ok. But is the device physically capable of making the breaker go back to the 'on' position?
Sorry for all the questions ... I'm excited you have one ๐
i don't really get the question
what's the point in a wifi circuit breaker that cannot be turned back on remotely?
Ah. I think we're talking about different things.
Here is a picture of what I mean by 'circuit breaker' :
yes that is a circuit breaker
Ok, so they can be switched back on. Thats great.
what would a wifi on a breaker do if it couldn't?
monitor power usage, signal trips
then its a power monitoring device, not a circuit breaker
Too bad you dont use the power monitoring.
what makes you think i don't use it?
This does.
Perhaps misinterpreted. My apologies.
you are assuming the circuit breaker is a power monitoring device
I'm going based on shitty descriptions on a local e-commerce site ... so I need to confirm the features are all there that I expect.
It's not?
but you don't even know which one i have
Fair point ๐
mine doesn't even do short circuit protection, its just a simple switch in circuit breaker format
oh ok
i just needed something high rated to control a water heater
Yeah you're right ... I still misinterpred when something says "Tuya"
i did hear those Hoch devices are well made and they do switch remotely if that's what you're looking at
The main use-case for me is power monitoring. I rent, and so I can replace breakers but I can't dig out electricity lines and put current clamps on the lines that go to the air conditioning units.
then get a power monitor in same form factor
So by replacing the circuit breaker with one that can monitor power draw ... i can detect if a particular a/c is on.
I dont have enough space on the DIN rail to add devices anymore ๐
i don't think you'll find a device that does all the things you want
there are power monitoring din relays and there are circuit breakers
Entirely possible. One of the product listings said something that when translated COULD be interpreted as power monitoring.
Hence ... my quest for information ๐
could... yeah...
Thanks for the info! Much appreciated.
heh, looks like Hoch made one afterall https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AsoHJo
features demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0gYmxkQE8Q
I really need to real in NextDNS with their blocking ... dear lord
even an AliExpress link is blocked!
Excellent. So I'll be looking for one of those then!
there's a Tuya version as well https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_ApAJca if you lean that way for integrating with HA
description claims ESP8266 inside so it eventually can be compatible
Yeah
Bastards. I need 4 circuits and the non-Tuya 4P version won't ship to Thailand. However, with model numbers I'm sure I'll find someone who sells them locally.
Anyone recommend a Bluetooth dongle to get me Bluetooth support on HA?
Depends on your install method really, but I have a CSR dongle and it works great with almost anything
Hi, I'm looking to find if anyone else has "Amazfit Smart Scales" as I am trying to see if its possible to read information from them
they connect via BT and WiFi
Running Core on docker.
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why you laugh at my noobness
Everybody has core, and three methods use Docker
Core on Docker could cover #449717345808547842 #330990055533576204 or #330944238910963714
So the one on unraid would be HA container right
Then the CSR dongle should work fine for you - ISTR that the 4.0 is the current one, but 
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I use mine for presence detection, and range there is fine - just blocked by the exterior walls in some spots
I use a usb extension cable to move my zwave/zigbee stick to a central point of my house. I wonder If I could connect a hub and plug all three sticks in.
Or plug them all into a Pi, and run things there
in addition to my unraid install?
Sure
You can run Z-Wave JS there, along with Zigbee2MQTT and whatever you need for Bluetooth
That's a good idea.
Has anyone gotten a the new Hue Wall Switch module to show up in HA with a switch entity? I see there are a lot of people saying thats all they see but no solution. I saw that on Github there was an enhancement that was closed saying it was added but all I get is battery status.
I have an esp32 wroom connected to wifi. Every now and then it disconnects from the network and reconnects most of the time after a few seconds. Sometimes after 2 minutes. Is this normal behaviour for this chipset? I tested a few and all seem to have this problem even when practically on top of the wifi router
#diy-archived may know more about those
You may want to turn off the power save mode. That should have it try and stay connected to the WiFi.
I'm looking to hook up a raspberry pi to a touch screen. Does anyone know of any builds or guides for where to start?
I was thinking the only real thing I need to do is get an OS on the Pi, to open the Lovelace Dashboard, and then somehow lock it down so swipes/touches can't accidentally exit the application.
I think I should better define the goal maybe.
I want the Raspberry Pi to somehow easily, on boot, launch a dashboard that is usable by touch. I want it to be something that is displayed full screen, without accidental touches somehow exiting the application (although purposefully deciding to exit it would be ok, I don't need it to be 'secure'). And, it should somehow readily refresh - like if I make changes to the dashboard on another computer, they will update on the dashboard on the Pi.
This might be most easily done without a Pi. Just a tablet.
Something like Fully Kiosk is probably what you're after
I'm getting the feeling that an Android Tablet is also the winning move here.
Can I run Android on the PI, if I decided I like the idea of a Pi more?
I should use Google. https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-android-lineageos/
I have a Pi4 as a Kiosk and I also found a 7" Samsung tablet for $100, I spent way more on the Pi4 and screen, power supply. After a while I decided that the Samsung tablet was better because I could install things like the Ring app and some other things for notifications which were harder to do on the Pi4. I'm using Fully Kiosk on the tablet and it works reasonably well.
how much ram do i need on a raspberry pi
More == better, but IMO 2 GB is a good minimum
sooo 4 will be ok
Yeah, I'm leaning towards Android as The Solution.
Unfortunately, finding a usage for this Pi I have is pretty hard, so I kinda wanna stick with like Android on Pi.
Plus, I feel like the Pi Screen is more flush with the wall yaknow
Square peg in a round hole
You are right about that.
How are you mounting your Pi to the wall?
I have the pi 4 with 8GB but have never seen the RAM usage above 15%. So 2GB should be enough, with the basic components running: backups, SSH terminal, HACS, visual code studio, energy, stuff like that.
Anyone know of any zigbee or zwave wireless buttons with a configurable rgb led? Something like the aqara mini switch but with an LED that can be set by state
I'd not expect any battery powered devices to have an LED like that
Oh, the Pi would go in the wall.
@winged knoll if it was using just a coin cell, sure, but there are some wifi versions of the same sort of thing out there (using a li-ion battery)

Problem is they mostly have crappy antennas which is why I'm hoping someone has seen a zigbee version
okie dokie then, sounds like I need to get my hands on an esp32-h2 and have some fun then
so the waiting game begins....
hi there, im thinking of replacing my parents crappy thermostat with an ecobee, but i don't want anything to leave the house
how functional will an ecobee + homeassistant be?
they have a synology which i know for a fact has docker functionality
or i guess, what sort of smart thermostat would be recommended for someone who doesn't want any data to leave the house? and knowing that they have home assistant on the network
you can use the Homekit Controller integration to control them locally, but I don't know if they'll work at all without a net connection
which is where we are in the 21st century
i know linus is using ecobees in his new house
but linus is also doing some really complicated stuff
a lot of folks use Venstar
if that's an LTT video, I'll pass, thanks
it is lol, just sharing to indicate that he seems to say it has cloud-free functionality
but this venstar looks pretty good
it might work without a network connection - I do recall that the weather will have a frowny face, but Homekit Controller will control it without touching the cloud
Good day everyone! I'm not sure if this is the correct channel to ask questions. I'm looking for some smart-thermostat system that works well with the HA. Something like this - https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Danfoss-Starter-Contains-Thermostats-014G0500/dp/B01JZCYH4S/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Danfoss%2BLink%2BStarter%2BPack&qid=1628531754&sr=8-3&th=1 .
What I'm looking for are smart themostats, that could be connected with some central control + thermometer that could define if thermostats should go up/down.
@hoary rover I 3D printed a bracket for the Pi that I have as a kiosk with some small magnets to hold it in so I could easily get it off the wall to power cycle it. Later I found with some rare earth magnets I could just stick the table to the wall and it stuck out only slightly more and was easy to just snag off the wall when you wanted to.
Step 1) Buy a 3D printer
๐ I'd love the excuse.
I actually think my local library rents out a 3D printer.
@tame maple 3 dead SD cards in a year? thats a lot man is there a specific reason for that?
are you just buying cheap SD cards or is there something wrong with the HA memory being saved onto it?
cheap SD cards and a lack of filtering on recorder
correct Rob
is "filtering on recorder" something you're meant to manually do while creating your automations?
and the old Chinese saying "SD cards are poor for applications that write a lot"
well one wasnt cheap but i did notice a huge diff in load times when i upgraded to a 64gig SanDisk memstick
he means that the database gets bloated and is being written to way too often which messes up the SD cards over time
cos the recorder feature is doing oo much
or is that just a natural byproduct of lots of automations?
dont use SD cards and dont hoarde data
It's not even about keeping it, it's about not writing it
Ah okay I see
Get the HA to run the automations with least instructions required as possible basically?
Every SD card has a write life, after that many writes it's gonna start dying
clean out bloated commands?
So, don't write stuff you don't need or even better ||don't use SD Cards||
i have a few pis that are hooked up to lights and relay switches - these have SD cards from the same pack of 5 i bought that go wrecked in the HA pi and hese pis been on for about 3 years no probs
Im glad I asked
Do you just have that many devices that more pis is justified? Or is the average user meant to be running HA on more than one pi?
the HA pi is the server - the other pis have devices atached to them
You can run things like Zigbee2MQTT, ZWaveJS, and many other things on the other Pis
i could have used other devices like an ESP32 but i had the pis lying around
Oh I see you're not using any other smarthub, just the pi's?
i have a couple of ESP 32s with temp and humidity sensors and a PIR on each of them
From what I've heard outside of cameras Pi4 is plenty to handle HA. The thing is that you can get better hardware for the same price once you go with an SSD
Yeah, Pi4 + Industrial SD card (or SSD) is likely enough for most "normal" HA users
Hmm I see... just out of curiosity, what made you decide to go that route as opposed to having a centralized smarthub/voice-assistant like google/alexa/siri
cos i am a paranoid android
nothing connects to the net
i dont need a server in China to turn on my lights thank you ๐
Thanks guys, thats exactly what I was looking for. Just buy any decent sized SSD and connect it to the pi?
Saw that in a video and thats what I wanted to do
Tbh fair enough man๐คฃ
ffs privacy is something im literally conditioned to not even consider these days
a 64gig drive is fine
u will need a SATA/ USB and and a powered USB3 hub for an SSD
i tried without the hub and it corrupted the OS in the end a few times
my fav is a good fast USB3 memstick
also a good newbee tip is get a good router
Okay sounds good
myself I dont do zigbee or Zwave I do Wifi and all my Iot network is on its own VLAN
well i had tthe VLAN and pfsense box already built
been tinkering around with stuff for years - thats why i got 4 spare pi lying around to throw at HA
Thats awesome bro
I just got into this stuff like a year ago
and now that i've discovered HA im mad excited to see where this rabbit hole takes me
Is a 4gb ram pi 4 decent enough?
yes just fine
i do recommend the proper power supply
the pi4 complains a lot about under current of cheapo power supplies
yeah i'm on this canadian website thats supposed to be a certified pi reseller and they have a starters kit that includes power supply
haah i know cos i have a sensor on my dashboard monitoring it and my phone dings if it trips
think I'll just get that and an SSD to compliment it
you've made a dashboard??
or do you mean like just homepage in the software
both - u design your own dashboard in HA in the end
i have a " hardware" dashboard also - an old android tablet running the webpage to HA in fullscreen
Oh I had assumed by dashboard that you full on made your own physical dashboard to monitor all your devices
Haha yeah exactly that
I have made my pi with 1tb ssd ๐ SD card is not used anymore at all
Anyone that might help me with a question regarding the use of a Shelly 1PM. I can't seem to find a confirmative post or data online. Currently I have some physical switches in my home that lead to a physical lamp/bulb in the ceiling. However I'm not going to use that place for a lamp anymore, so I will put a cover plate on it.
could I still place a Shelly 1PM behind the cover plate, to use the physical switches to turn on other lamps in the room (which are all smart bulbs managed by HA (or Hue App))? If so, how do I wire it?
I don't need the relay function at all, there will be no need for output power form the shelly.
@hoary rover step 1) convince brother who has at least 3 to design, print and mail it to you, thats what I did. ๐
Hello Brother, it's me, Drew.
He does sell some things that he prints so he may be willing to print one and send it to you but not sure what he would charge. I can post a pick or two here if thats allowed.
Does anyone have a WiFi switch that allows you to set the circuit to always be closed and integrates with HA? I have a Zooz switch that will do it but I'm hoping to find a WiFi one.
I bought Tuya wi-fi smart switches as my 1st smart devices. 4 switches. 3 are running okay still, and are integrated through tuya integration beta v2. It worked the best (compared to native v1 tuya integration and localTuya). But for 1 of the switches wi-fi module died. Amazon didn't tried to troubleshoot and just sent me money back. I found out that zigbee module is alot more power efficient than wi-fi module. So I just ordered my 1st Chinese (no-name manufacturer) zig-bee 4 gang switch ๐ All hopes on ZHA integration.
So from my side - I don't recommend wi-fi switches. Mostly, they work through the cloud. It works slow... Their power consumption is alot higher than normal switches. Wi-Fi protocol would ask you to bind ip + mac address, if you don't, ha may loose his connection to wi-fi devices (localTuya experience).
On the other side zig-bee protocol. You will need to have some kind of hub, zigbee coordinator to use this kind of devices. But once you'r settled up - you'r golden. I had better experience to use HA with usb ZigBee coordinator, than Amazon Alexa as ZigBee hub with native integrations.
And then there's esphome or Tasmota
ESP and MQTT
Anyone know why my aeotec range extenders are getting picked up as lights when using the native HA Z-Wave JS to MQTT?
any recommendations for a wifi smart scale that integrates with HA?
@ashen stone The issue I have with ZWave and Zigbee is to get good coverage you need more devices and I already have good wifi coverage already so why not use that. Assigning a static IP is easy to do at the dhcp server.
What zigbee switches do you use and can you set them so they leave the circuit on all the time?
@ionic acorn I was also worried about the range. I have now 20dB Antenna on usb stick on 1st floor. Now it is able to cover Basement, 1st Floor, 2nd Floor - so 3 floors with just 1 antenna. I will add +1 on each floor if needed. Lower power consumption, local control and no cloud dependency, really fast responses / status updates bought me ๐ I'm switching to ZigBee from Wi-Fi for sure now, as with current setup I'm really happy how things are working.
As I previously mentioned, I have right now wi-fi switches, that works with Tuya. 1 of them has this wi-fi module broken. So I'm changing on ZigBee, but also from some China manufacturer. So have no idea yet how it is going to work xD But in case of success - I would like to change all my current wi-fi switches. In my country we just had x2 cost increase for the energy. So power consumption and energy management is very hot topic right now...
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0919SW7BS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
that's still chinese
Does anyone have experience with making a steam radiator smart in the USA? It seems to be fairly common in the rest of the world but can't seem to find any info on doing it in the USA. (The hardware in seeing isn't sold in the USA and while I can import I'm not sure it would fit, I also don't have the hardware yet (buying the house soonish))
Also not sure if this is the best channel to ask about this
The most promising solution I've seen online is some Tuya ZigBee smart radiator valves, but again not sure if they would fit (I've never lived with radiators before)
@ashen stone what device are you using to get a 20db antenna for your Zigbee devices? If I could count on mine always working I would probably be happy/content with them.
does anyone have experience w/ this waveshare LoRa hat? https://www.amazon.com/SX1262-LoRa-HAT-Transmission-Communication/dp/B07W83FCCZ Or have recommendations for another Pi hat?
What do people use for AC current sensing? I need something to tell me when and how long the dishwasher was on.

Country: Canada. Budget: under $200 USD. Protocol: Wifi or anything I can put a Raspberry Pi (MQTT) on. Features: Just tell me if someone turned on the dishwasher and how long it ran.
More info: I'm an Electrical Engineer, and can probably jury rig something up myself, but if there's something already out there that I don't have to build all the better. I also don't have problems modifying wiring or circuit breakers.
any power monitoring plug would do
Anyone have some insights into wiring up an ecobee (or nest, or whatever) with just a 24v transformer? I saw it being done on the LTT video "This should be easy" LTT video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRwubdL-URY&t=913s&ab_channel=LinusTechTips"
They hooked up an ecobee 3 lite with just a 24v transformer and I am having a ton of trouble getting that to work.
@onyx dune What you need to do is hookup power to the stat, R and C if memory serves. Then once it boots up go into the configuration and manually configure it so it thinks that there is a furnace, fan or what ever attached even though there is not. They you connect it to HA and you should see everything there and can react to it.
It's a wired dishwasher to the breaker, I was hoping that people could point me to a current clamp sensor people are using.
There is a Shelly one you can use and also an Aeon ZW095 Home Energy Meter Gen5 that you could use
you could also pull it out and change the connection to a smart outlet that monitors power usage.
You would have to put a plug connection on the dishwasher but that is not difficult.
Not my picture--- but I tried that and am getting this error: https://www.reddit.com/r/ecobee/comments/e2zerv/i_cant_get_past_an_install_error_screen_on_my_new/
It should be that easy though... lol But something weird must be happening?
Issue was more of the lack of room behind the dishwasher, so I was going to add the sensor to the subpanel instead.
no jumper on it right noiw
Did you connect it to Rh or Rc?
Dang- same error
@stray birch then the shelly or aeon will work because they go in the panel. Using an outlet would just require putting a box inside the wall assuming there is not one there already so it really would not take up much more space.
@onyx dune just as a thought connect some dead end wires to G, Y1, W1 and see what it does.
You may have to run a temp wire along the floor to the HVAC device and connect it that way until you can get it on the wireless and updated to the latest firmware.
Looking for a physical switch to open and close a circuit (normally connected to thermostat), can talk to HA but isn't dependent on it, doesn't go in the wall, visually indicates status, is wireless (zwave or wifi), there's a power outlet nearby or battery would be ok.
Does something like that exist or do I have to cobble together a couple components?
I'm looking to connect my pellet stove up, basically.
I really like the Aeon monitor. Any recommendations on which Z-Wave hubs work (i.e. work without fussing about) well with Home Assistant?
I bought a Zooz zwave usb stick and it seams to work with the Aeon ok. You have to figure out how to set the zwave options to get it do change its reporting duration but I did not bother with that.
I did not try the Shelly but that one is wifi I believe.
@abstract sky not a 100% on this but I believe that there is a Shelly device that will do this. Otherwise I'm sure you can find a ESPHome relay board on amazon that can do what you want.
Thanks. I'll take a look at shellys. Was thinking I might end up throwing together something with an esp8226. But no sense in reinventing the wheel if this is a device that's already around.
Or maybe 2 devices superglued together.
Hoping to not have to, but we will see....
we have a carrier infinity and the wires are all weird for it, so I hope it doesnt goof stuff up if i cant figure it out this way
I have 8 Ecobee stats of various types and I'm relatively sure you can get it to do what you want you just need to have it to have the latest firmware. Also the Ecobee integration requires the cloud so that could be bad.
Oh, just had a thought, if you do not mind building something you could use a ESPHome device to detect that the stat closed a connection and then use that to control the HVAC system.
Right now, i have a carrier infinity system--- the scheduling sucks, i cant use remote sensors to schedule which room to monitor, and overall i dont like the thermostat.
i was going to hook up the ecobee and then have it control the carrier infinity
is that a stupid idea? I couldn't find an automation/blueprint/way to look at each room to control the current infinity one
Looking for a push button that I can use with a nodemcu to initiate a particular WLED sequence through HA. Iโd like to have about 5 buttons in a row. Iโm having trouble finding a suitable button. Can someone help me find a push button that will work with a nodemcu? An Amazon link would be great!
Does anyone happen to know if the Broadlink integration for HA requires the Broadlink hub or can I skip getting it?
How would you get around not having the hub? arent they all RF?
They are wifi and I have at least one device that is wifi and the app gets it connected to your wifi and thats if. So I was not sure if you could use the app to get it on the wifi and then us HA to do everything else.
What is even the hub
Not sure, thats why I'm asking... ๐
Ok but do you need the hub for it to work with HA?
Oh, both of mine are just the universal remote products.
I do not.
It works with HA directly, with these two products
In what way do you have trouble, any pushbutton will work
Thanks. I saw so many different buttons I wasnโt sure if just any of them would work. As long as it doesnโt have to be a specific button, Iโm good.
Hey, I hope anyone can help me. I have the LSC Smart Connect Doorbell (https://www.kaufland.de/product/383721521/?kwd=&source=pla&sid=35631376&gclid=CjwKCAjwx8iIBhBwEiwA2quaqw95btUVJrRvot_09DVg7oZCLghsmQEiQHCXVb2T82YPlpGR1PBp9BoCVmMQAvD_BwE) working with the Smart Life App and connected the Tuya to Smart Life on HA. Now the HA did not find any doorbell at all. Is there a way to connect these to see the video of the camera?
I'm having trouble with a bme280 sensor and HA not seeing it
Maybe start with what problem you're trying to solve or fun thing you'd like to do and that might help narrow down what might be suggested?
Ahh I see that when I boot up the raspi home assistant is trying to install some bme280.py that apparently has some issue is there another way to get this sensor to work?
Looking for a zigbee UV / lux sensor, any ideas?
Hue motion has lux, but not UV.
Hue motion is decent value for money considering it's PIR + lux + temp in one.
Xiaomi Mijia do an awesome dedicated light sensor, but no UV
Worth checking the hardware lists pinned in #zigbee-archived though
looking for something outside to trigger automations on
I've been scrolling the supported zigbee2mqtt hardware for a while
Well, search for UV ๐
The only outdoor one I know of would be the Hue Outdoor, but I'm pretty sure the Xiaomi one will work if sheltered
Yeah, nothing there mentions UV, which doesn't surprise me that much
oh, maybe not to many ha users in oz / africa where UV is a killer
You could use an API to get UV index I guess.
I do but it's not acurate
There is a Z-Wave one, but given that most sensors are for indoor use, UV is likely not a big concern
Plenty of HA users in AU, just sounds like a super specific use case that you're likely better to make an ESP device yourself for.
ye thinking I might do that
I'm sure this has been asked before so sorry in advanced, but my google and discord skills are failing me.
I'm looking to get some zigbee products and I don't have a hub for zigbee (only a hue hub). From my searching all I can find is people talking about zigbee USBs, my problem is that my HA is running as a VM on a machine that I have in a downstairs storage room. That + the house is quite old so the walls and floors are basically concrete or similar. I don't think a little zigbee USB is going to be able to function well with all the sensors etc being upstairs in the house. So I'm trying to see whats the best network based hub that I can use to allow me to have it upstairs. I'm probably going to go for aqara sensors at first but I want to be able to add other zigbee devices later.
Are there any network based hubs (wired or even wireless) that are pretty well compatible with HA? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but all my searching just brings up USBs.
#zigbee-archived is the best channel for Zigbee questions, but yes there are
https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2 sells some
Those work with either ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, though you can also just run Zigbee2MQTT on a Pi placed somewhere centrally with any (decent) USB stick
Oh nice, I didn't come across anything like that, thank you. Normally I would just go with the USB option as that seems to be the most popular but not really optimal for me given where my HA is running. Thanks for the help ๐
One thing I read is that most if not all mains powered zigbee devices are a repeater. So really you could use some say zigbee outlets here and there around the house to extend the range/reliability of the network. That way putting it in the basement would not matter.
Hmmm, good point. Only issue with that I think is for the moment, I only plan on getting door sensors, motion sensors etc which would all be battery powered. The other thing that still concerns me though is the downstairs room isn't like a traditional basement, its only accessible from the outside, there isn't any pathways between the upstairs and downstairs internally. So the signal would still need to try and reach along the edge of the outside of the house. I think one of these network serial coordinators might be my best bet.
Depends on the walls/floors too - sometimes you can get signal through fine
You could also get one that has an actual external antenna on it. I have a conbee2 and mine is in the basement and I found pointing it up and at the rest of the house made a really big difference.
The walls are all concrete or something similar, no drywall in this house lol. Floors are floorboards except the kitchen, which is the room above the downstairs room lol. Then it would be plugged into the lenovo box inside the cabinet.
Is there an added benefit to trying to use something directly on usb like the conbee2 over something like tube's ethernet based ?
Well, not the Conbee unless you're using deCONZ, but it does mean that the software and the stick are co-located so if you do anything to your network it doesn't impact the mesh
TBH there's not likely a lot in it either way
Floorboards are fine for Zigbee, concrete not so much, but it really depends on thickness, angles, etc. You may get a signal, you may not
I'm pretty new to zigbee other than my hue stuff so just want to make sure i'm making the right decision. Just given the construction and age of the house I don't think I will have a good time with anything operated out of the cabinet down stairs. The router is upstairs so not far to go at all to get on the network. Then its a direct cable I've run from the router down to the switch then box running HA. Think Tube's thing might be my best bet with the circumstances.
Certainly if you've got wired networking around your house it's not a bad choice at all. If you've got PoE then it's a no-brainer.
Yep I've got as many things wired as I can, and I've got PoE so perfect situation.
Cheers for the help and pointing me in the right direction
Did I miss something...? Is there a POE zigbee adapter?
Oooh...
Ok so my home assistant is having trouble installing bme280.py I guess how do I fix this?
Head over to your install method channel and share the full details
Hi, do you know how you can activate UART on the raspberry pi pins other than the usual 14/15? I'd like to add a second UART device on say PIN 0 and 5 ๐
e.g. set the dtoverlay=uart1,txd1_pin=32,rxd1_pin=33
Hey everyone, looking for advice on wifi dimmer/switch that work if cloud is unvailable, ideally without a hub

How difficult is it to get Aqara stuff working on HA? I know on SmartThings (๐คฎ ) it could be difficult.
Depends on how you're trying to integrate it
Which one is basic integration
What kind of gateway/coordinator do you plan on using
Then its not difficult at all
It'll pair right to the dongle eh? No aqara hub bs?
That's how Zigbee works
TY
Pick Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA, install some Zigbee routers, job done
Is it worth going from a Pi 3b to a pi 4? And if so what RAM on the Pi4 is advised? Whats the real benefits, I notice that sometimes my automation's or asking Alexa the temp on one of my sensors can be a bit sluggish some times, is that down to the Pi 3? I do like that the Pi4 is POE. I do also have a Synology DS918+ that I could run HA on Docker, any pros or cons moving to that and docker ?
Synology > Pi4 > Pi3
Part of the Pi3 issues will be the SD card, moving to a Pi4 and an SD card won't be a huge win, but Pi4 + SSD would be
my only worry on the Synology is its also my Plex server that supports around 5-8 devices. so the CPU does get hammered... worry that HA would get "bogged down"
ah thats interesting on the SSD, never thought of that or looked into it.
months ago when i first played with HA i couldn't get HA in docker to show Supervisor... user error? or just how it is wiith Docker ?
Well, you only get the Supervisor with HAOS (||or Supervised, but that's a thing to avoid||) - lack of Supervisor is normal with any other install method
You don't need the Supervisor, it's just a convenient way of installing other software, taking local snapshots, etc
ok will have another look into it. will the Pi3 support SSD ? being lazy, i can go find the answer myself
Yes, but the USB bus is slower than on the Pi4 and you won't get as much of a gain
ah ok.. thanks.
The same bus is shared by networking, and more, so ... it sucks
what do you run on out of intrest ?
is anyone familiar with zephyr rtos for nrf 52?
familiar as in?
used it before
im having trouble flashing to my arduino nano 33 ble and am searching for alternative flashing ways
8 year old laptop ๐
#diy-archived is the best place for that kind of question
you're right haha
didnt even ping you, so proud of the process
Hey All, after watching Linus' home upgrade, I've decided I want to spin up HomeAssistant on a raspberry Pi and buy some temp/motion/humidity etc. sensors for each room of my house. Any recommendations on which version of Raspi and sensor I should buy?
by pins you mean #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived ? Im not super familiar with discord
sorry
omg top right
how have i never seen taht before
OK, USA, up to $40 per sensor, Z-Wave so I'm not using up 2.4g channel space, and temp+humidity minimum, motion/light would be a bonus but not needed.
I'm trying to monitor temp changes over the course of the day
my guest BR sits 10F hotter than the entire rest of the house (partially due to my server being in there) and I'm just trying to get more metrics on it so I can show the landlord that the area isnt insulated well
if I was your landlord, I'd recommend moving your giant homelab server somewhere else ๐
$60 per sensor, hmm.. I only have a few rooms to do, maybe illl stretch my budget a little
lmao its not a big server. average power draw is 165W
so it cant be putting out that much heat
I've turned everything off in that room and have some little accurite thermometers in there
Zigbee is way cheaper, but you want the expensive stuff ๐
You right, you right.
I guess thatโs the price for not being in WiFi spectrum range
its the price of licensing
Yeah, Z-Wave has a lot going for it, but it drives the cost up
ok whats the zigbee recommendation for the above wishlist?
might as well try it out, if there are no wifi issues then.. profit?
Xiaomi or Konke do pretty good temperature/humidity sensors. Both also do pretty good motion sensors.
Xiaomi Mijia light sensor is awesome
all in one or separate sensors?
dang
are the xiaomi's rebranded to Aqara now or something?
that's all im finding on ali
Xiaomi Aqara
Also Xiaomi Mijia
The Aqara range is mostly newer than the corresponding Mijia range, except where it's not
its best to seach for specific model number
What are some good, affordable, reliable humidity/temp sensors I can hook directly to the pi?
dht22
I thought it was just me and my cabling but apparently they are only cheap or affordable ๐
still better than DHT11, the random number generator
Hmm I think the bme280 I got is broken I can't for the life of me get it to work
any recommendations for water/leak sensors that don't cost an arm and a leg? US and preferably z-wave based
Does anyone know a UPS/Surge protector with EU plugs that has individually adressible sockets that I can controll from home assistant?
Which country you're in
Czech republic, but can get anything on amazon.de/aliexpress/banggood/whatever
What your budget is
Would like to fit it under 200 bucks
What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
Can do WiFi, Zigbee, Ethernet but would prefer one of the first 2
Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
Need 6+ plugs and power consumption monitoring would be nice,
Edit: need to turn off/on 3 devices which I want to have protected, more would be just a bonus
Slowly, slowly going insane. Anyone know any decent quality light-socket devices that can dim LED bulbs and intergrate with HA (Either Zigbee or Zwave) that work in the UK with 2 wire system
Been looking for weeks now, tried a few devices (Shelly, Fibaro Walli Dimmers, Aeotec NAno dimmer) none seem to fit the bill
Other than enabling i2c do I have to do something special for home assistant to see the bme280?
ok...it's supposed to be 3.3v or 5v... should i try powering it with 5v instead of 3v?
Hello everyone! I'm extremely new to HA. I have a question about getting my RFlink hardware to configure properly. Is this the room to ask or is there a better room to ask? I didn't see a configuration room, though I could go ask in the integrations room if that's better.
Super random question - rechargeable batteries in Zigbee locks. Are they any good? Seem to remember something about rechargeable batteries being bad because they misreport voltages (and therefore battery level). Ended up accidentally buying more Eneloops than I need :/
If you mean NiMH rechargeable batteries they have an open circuit cell voltage of 1.2V compared to 1.5V of alkaline cells. So yes, they will be reported as having less remaining charge. They should still work though.
Particularly good quality cells like you have.
Cool. If I can't find another use for them (or anyone who wants to buy them off me), they might end up in the door. It's still on its first set of 4xAA batteries, almost 2 years after install.
Which lock did you get? I'm still trying to decide if I want to buy one. If this was available in brass finish I'd be more inclined to buy: https://www.bunnings.com.au/lockwood-zigbee-digital-deadbolt_p0092400
Has anyone successfully connected a CC2531 Zibbee > MQTT device to a Smart Meter? I'm in Vic Australia for reference.
Smart Meters usually use an encrypted protocol and you can't
Hi all, does anybody know a heated rainsensor / rain detector, operating on 230V, which could be integrated into HA, connected via WiFi, 2.4 or 5 GHz?
I seem to not find any rain sensor which is really able to cope with -20ยฐC ... +60ยฐC (when exposed to the sun or cold), the typical temperature range in our region... and it has to be IP54, IP56 or IP58 from what I see because it is exposed to the elements.
For running Home Assistant on a Pi, what is the current recommended Pi board?
I'm mainly wondering if it would be worth getting a CM4 with eMMC.
Pi3 or better
No point in CM4?
On Pi4, do I need a drive, or is a microSD card fine?
SSD good, SD bad
No idea what the spec of the CM4 is, you'll have to check
1 GB RAM is the minimum though
CM4 is basically a Pi4, but you can get one with a 32GB eMMC on board.
Then if it has enough RAM you'll be ok
Is 4GB still the recommended amount of RAM, or should I spring for 8GB?
4 GB will be fine, you'll run out of eMMC space before you run out of RAM
How much storage space does HA need? In the past I have run Hass.io in Ubuntu on a Virtual Box.
I will probably run whatever the easiest drop in solution is on Pi.
32 GB is the minimum from memory
You mean storage I think.
Okay. Seems like I might as well get a Pi4 and a USB to SSD adapter then.
Is that what most people are using?
Is there a better choice?
@lyric prism When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
Sure, any proper hardware - like any second hand 64 bit computer from the last 8+ years
Actual PC >>>> toy
That's basically what I am using right now, though the system also runs th occasional game server.
I try to keep things segregated with Virtual Boxes.
I just installed a Venstar thermostat. In HA it shows up as an unnamed climate device. Is it possible to give it a unique id and/or is it possible to have the temperature reading show up as a sensor?
@winged knoll the current system is a circa 2014 i3.
I think I might be in the in the same situation as aviphysics here my pi3b+ just had the 3v3 power die on it last night. I'm looking for my best option for a hardware update. pi4 or try to switch over to a vm based container maybe hosted off of my unraid server? Sounds like something like that is what Tinkerer is recommending.
VM is likely to be worlds ahead of a Pi
Any good article for "moving" from hassos to a vm based setup? I have recent snapshots and config files and I'd prefer not to start over from scratch. (or is the setup going to be fundamentally incompatible?)
beautiful! I'll figure where I'm going to run this thing ๐ And come back with any questions after some more research. Thanks @winged knoll
Hi guys, does anyone know how to monitor โcongestion levelโ of a wifi network? In particular I am interested in airtime saturationโฆif that can be measured
Sometimes your ISP will have that if you go to their app or their gateway on your network.
However, I do have more of a noob question. I'm looking to move from Smartthings to HA, I have a PI running as a Plex Media server. I know I can run HA alongside that, but what dongle should I get for my devices? I've a few IKEA bulbs, a few Smartthings sensors and a few WiFi products.
@ me please in any reply.
-Hi, guys! I use the Aeotech Siren 6 (ZW164), and finally I can configure it in HA using Zwave JS integration. However I cannot control the volume_level.
Here is my code:
sequence:
- service: siren.turn_on
target:
entity_id: siren.sirene_stue
data:
tone: 02 Ding Dong Tubular (9 sec)
volume_level: 0.4
Is the Siren 6 not compatible for volume_level?
Why don't you ask the folks in #zwave-archived ?
@dense widget Questions about a hardware device (not their #integrations-archived with HA, and not the thing that HA calls devices)? Someone might have the same device and be able to help you out! If you've got a Z-Wave or Zigbee devices, see #zwave-archived and #zigbee-archived, #cameras-archived for cameras, and #diy-archived for making your own stuff (or if you're asking about Tasmota or ESPHome).
Problems with the Blue? See #330990055533576204. If your install isn't responding then see your install method channel above.
If you want to share images, use https://imgur.com/ or similar.
Please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs
Bme280 should be fairly easy to get working right? I'm thinking I may have got a bad one
#diy-archived would know
Mmm I donโt really think so. Unifi gears have but it is a bit of speciality: I was wondering if there was something like wire shark able to monitor it
Hi, could anyone explain to me how a Zigbee light switch with no neutral work? Doesnโt it also need power to operate?
Anyone got any recommendations for smart light switches, My landlord replaced the bathroom light for 'safety' but it means I can no longer use my smart bulb. I'm in the UK and I think the switches should have neutral running to them as they're metal but I will check when I get the chance.
I only really need one but the switch I want to replace has one one way and one two way switch and ideally they should work as normal.
It basically has a trickle of power running through it all the time
Thank you! Are there any drawbacks with this setup?
And one more question: if I for instance buy one of these
https://www.aqara.com/en/single_switch_T1_no-neutral.html
Can I put them behind a normal power switch or does it have to be a power switch with a spring?
Well, generally it means those devices won't be routers for your Zigbee mesh, which may be a problem for you (or may not).
I'd assume you don't need a retractive/momentary switch, but I haven't read the manual for it
So there is basically a small current running through my lights at all time? Just not enough to make them light up?
When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
Whether it runs through your lights or not I don't know, probably
Ok thanks again that answers all my question ๐
Hi Everyone,
Iยดve been offered to buy a used Intel Nuc 7i3dnk1e (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/122495/intel-nuc-kit-nuc7i3dnke.html) which is an i3 with 8gb of Ram and m2 SSD 150gb and considers moving my HA-OS there. The seller is offering it to me for 150โฌ. Would you say thatยดs a good machine to run HA-OS on? Currently running it virtually on my server but wife is complaining about sounds so trying to scale down...
It'll be better than a Pi anyway
Worth checking what similar devices sell for on eBay though
They appear to be around that price-point
prices are slightly higher as Iยดm in Europe
the major pain in the ass I guess is to flash the M2-SSD with the OS.
Hi all. My HA odroid n2+ is a a real data hog. It's downloaded 22gb over the past 24h and 141gb over the past 6 days, and uploaded 7 gigs in that time. I'm not doing any camera streaming to or from it although ring and arlo are integrated. I don't have adguard set up on it yet.
You can either go with Z2M or ZHA. If Z2M, here are the list of co-ordinators https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html also, choose core install or supervised install on PI, that way you can continue to run your plex media
I just migrated from ST to HA using a HUSBZB-1 and it was super easy.
Cheers lad. Doesn't look too difficult at all. Maybe take a night and then your sorted.
I was close to going in with the Conbee II. Do you recommend?
What dongle did you use?
Well, conbee is still experimental and some people have reported issues.
The HUSBZB-1 is a combo stick Zigbee/Z Wave. I'm using it with a HA Blue. https://www.amazon.com/GoControl-CECOMINOD016164-HUSBZB-1-USB-Hub/dp/B01GJ826F8
How did you integrate Arlo?
Thanks to this saint: https://github.com/twrecked/hass-aarlo
Iโve got the conbee II and so far so good.
Ikeas ip44 trรฅdfri spotlights any good?
so I am quite new to home automation and I want to start with a few smart switches but can't seem to wrap my head around this whole thing yet. can home assistant control Lutron Caseta Smart Dimmer without a bridge? and what does these switches run on zigbee?
The
lutron_casetaintegration in Home Assistant is responsible for communicating with the Lutron Caseta Smart Bridge for...
You need a bridge
For Zigbee devices see the pinned message in the #zigbee-archived channel
thanks @winged knoll so are you saying lutron uses its own network to connect switches or are they using the bridge and your internal WiFi. I am asking because I don't want the network for the switches on my WiFi network.
I have no idea, I don't use it...
I'd guess that the presence of the bridge means it doesn't use your WiFi, but others will know (as will Google)
ok I found the answer
"Lutron Caseta does not use Z-Wave or ZigBee, but instead uses their own patented, proprietary wireless protocol which they call Clear Connect."
so what is a good switches do you guys recommend then?
From your reference to Lutron I'm guessing you live in North America somewhere?
no I live in the Caribbean but our buying trends are heavily influenced by the us.
Your choices will vary according to where in the world you are, so that's important information ๐
Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:
- Which country you're in
- What your budget is
- What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
- Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
Country: St. Kitts & Nevis
Hamilton!
Protocols: I am trying to figure that out now
yes it is where Hamilton was born lol
i think I am liking this community already its quite lively here. this isn't your typical tech community is it?
people actually talk to you.
Sometimes just exclaiming random historical facts
exactly
one of my friends is telling me now that running your IoT over your wifi isn't so bad. he says he has over 50 devices including switches on his. so I guess I can now also search for some WiFi ones.
Im UK and it surely can't be worth ยฃ80 on amazon...
Yikes. $50 US on Amazon here and other sites were advertising between $30-40
That stick is US only anyway
You can buy it, but the Z-Wave part will be a brick
(both sides are also old, previous generation chipsets, there's no good reason to buy one these days)
back to the drawing board
@inner crag When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
wack. I just bought mine ๐
@paper meteor When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
For #zwave-archived buy a 700 series stick
For #zigbee-archived buy a CC2652 based stick (in the UK, buy a Zig-A-Zig-Ah!)
Did you just make a Spice Girl joke...?
@inner crag Really?
@inner crag Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, youโre demanding somebody answers you. Itโs different if youโre thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.
Similarly, please donโt DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others canโt learn from what you do.
Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.
I'm here, I'm talking with you, I really don't need the damn notification pings
Sorry.
Am I really missing anything w/ the Nortek's older chipset?
Might buy it just for the name.
If you already have it then you may as well stick with it, but yes you are
You're missing all the features of the latest generation of Z-Wave, and you're using an old, slow, chipset for both
That's not terrible, but it's reasons to not buy it if you're just starting out
Alright, well if I did want to swap to separate, new dongles, I would have to exclude everything and re-pair it to the new dongles?
Sadly yes
Thanks for the tips!
oof
You might be able to migrate the Zigbee pairings, but #zigbee-archived would know
That means re-doing all my....everything. So yeah I'll stick with my old one for now lol
US website.
It's not old enough to be worth upgrading from - that'd be the case if you'd bought a CC253x stick though
Could someone confirm if Sonoff R2 Mini flashed with tasmota works with HA?
If you can flash it with Tasmota, it'll work
Is there Z Wave dongle on that website as well? Or is it even worth getting one?
Don't think I have any Z Wave only devices.
I am reading that HA does not not work with the lite tasmota version and R2 Mini can only be flashed with lite version
700 series sticks for #zwave-archived
Hi I looking for some energy meter like sonoff pow r2, but rated to 16A on 230V@50Hz the best would be if it can measure 3 phases instead of one. It's better if it's not a DIN version. It must have housing (that covers the electronics, the connections can be uncovered).
for cloud free switch I guess that my best option are z-wave or zigbee
wifi seem to all be either shelly or tuya
@zealous dune I looking now this shelly, just I need to process this...
I suppose this is not a serial and I need to put those two climps on it
on the cable I mean
ah yeah, but how accurate are these electro magnetic field measuring things?
more accurate than powr2
hmm with 5 times of the powr2 price I would expect that actually...
pricy
hah they also have Shelly 3EM
@civic vapor for tuya or zigbee do you have any idea/example?
https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Silicon-Labs/SLUSB001A?qs=u16ybLDytRbJsMfgk3EnSA%3D%3D
Anyone any experience with this or know if it goes by a different name so I can search it up?
Anyone using opengarage.io with their HA? Gonna buy one to ditch my Nexx unit I think since it won't integrate with HA.
I'd ask the folks in #zwave-archived - a lot of the gurus there barely visit any other channel
I've posted there... now we just wait
Anyone have tips for soundbars? I'm buying my first one this week but was curious if there's anything tech related to look for, like possibly integration with Home Assistant? Brand new to the soundbar game so I know basically nothing about options lol
I am having an issue with my Envisalink integration. Everything works as expected except that when I run the alarm_trigger service my Honeywell 20p panel does not respond. All of the other services seem to be passed onto the 20p except this one. Any common issues in configuration that I can look at?? Have read everything that I can find and nothing has shed any light on how to resolve.
Is there a good guide getting hue dimmer switches working? Maybe even one for a newbie?
working how?
Real basic stuff, click button lights turn on.. All I can see is battery level now.
depends on what integration you're using
I am very new to this, but I think that is "Configuration -> integration -> philips hue"?
go to the device card for the dimmer switch and click + in the automation column
All I get there is options to create automations when battery level reaches a certain level?
then something went wrong when adding the switch or its not supported in the integration
does anyone know of a cheap raspberry pi 1u rack mount? All I could find seem ridiculously overpriced
Iโm having issues with the Shelly plug US version. Iโm on my third one and they are all doing the same thing. The first two were bought months ago and I thought maybe they came from the same bad batch so I ordered new ones. The two new ones just came in and Iโm already having issues with one of them. I have connected it to my Wi-Fi, given it a static IP address, and linked it to my home assistant. Quite frequently, it just stops connecting with anything. It is not connected to the Shelly app, nor home assistant. If I wait it out, reboot my router, or restart home assistant, itโll come back but not always. Tonight, I unplugged it and plugged it back in and within a few minutes it is now available in home assistant. Am I doing something wrong with the Shelly plug? Iโm planning on using one in an automation soon and will need an instantaneous reading of power. Is there another plug that is better? I have recently purchased the cloud plugs, but they seem to update about once every 10 seconds or so with power use, so theyโre no use to me in this particular automation.
Are there any other canopy fan+light controllers out there, other then ifan03 that needs capacitors replaced or the unsupported Quachip one?
Does the plug have access to the internet? I've run into issues with Shelly being on a network with dns but no internet. I had to move them to a network without dns for them to reliably work.
In my case when the plug stopped responding the wifi light would be a solid blue and the physical button wouldn't work.
Anyone?
Does anyone know of a smart replacement for a switch like this?
https://i.imgur.com/Oug6HQY.png
a dual dimmer switch
I've got 6 of these working with tasmota firmware 2 in 1 Smart Ceiling Fan Speed... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PD39NLF?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
How does it work? is the fan side 3 speed, as in pushing it once changes it once?
@small cypress
4 speeds, lights fully dimmable
also does it need any extra hardware like a hub?
Nope. Just wifi, but you will need some soldering know how
I know how but i'd prefer to avoid that if possible.
I've settled on this one after testing several. Let me know if you find a good alternative. Some people use localtuya to fake tuya cloud and operate them that way, but I never got into that
do you have a guide or something for the soldering and flashing?
Same device, but TreatLife has swapped their chips and no longer supported. But the link I sent still seems to have the good ol chip in them
cool
Yes it has access to internet. It is the single item that gives me the most trouble in my home assistant sphere. I really want to like these plugs, and seem to be a great company, but the plugs just donโt work.
I need help with a problem on my HA Blue hardware. The device has been working fine for the last month I've had it. Now in the last two days I've woken up to a HA offline and the hardware stuck in a loop. Complaining about the RTC.
Questions about a hardware device (not their #integrations-archived with HA, and not the thing that HA calls devices)? Someone might have the same device and be able to help you out! If you've got a Z-Wave or Zigbee devices, see #zwave-archived and #zigbee-archived, #cameras-archived for cameras, and #diy-archived for making your own stuff (or if you're asking about Tasmota or ESPHome).
Problems with the Blue? See #330990055533576204. If your install isn't responding then see your install method channel above.
If you want to share images, use https://imgur.com/ or similar.
Please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs
As mentioned in the topic:
Problems with the Blue? See #330990055533576204.
okay thanks
Hey
I want to get 6 spots in my bathroom. Im wondering if they should be ip44 certified or if it doesnt matter at all.
Is there someone who could give me some advice?
Where in the world?
? I live in the netherlands
That matters for what the standards require
Hi everyone! Iโm trying to setup home assistant and was wondering if I should go with an ODroid N2+ or a RPi 4 8gb. I only plan to run HA on this
Hi all,
Looking to get some smart lights setup in my flat (In the UK) currently have HA running some smart plugs and Govee screen backlight but now looking to sort out the 3x B22 and 1x E27 in the kitchen and living space but I am struggling to find "normal" bulbs, basically I don't need the ability to have different light colours, I would be happy with one fixed white colour, or possibly the ability to make the light warmer or cooler as required.
Protocol wise I can be pretty flexible as I don't have anything other than WiFI devices right now, but was quite interested in the Z-Wave kit I have seen so far especially the Aeotec WallMote Quad (when it comes back in stock).
Essentially I am struggling to find B22 bulbs that either aren't ยฃ50 each (which for that price I may as well go down the Hue route...), checked Vesternet and they don't have any B22's except a couple Zigbee ones for about ยฃ28 a piece, budget wise I don't have a set preference right now, but the cheaper the easier I can get this past the OH! Thanks in advance ๐
SD cards suck, anything not on an SD card is better than anything on an SD card...
If you go Zigbee you have way more options than ยฃ28 a bulb ๐
The Hue ones are the gold standard, but there's many other brands that are also pretty solid
Thank you! Outside of Vesternet is there a list of region specific shops I can peruse? (Mainly looking for in the UK, but if there is already a nice list I can sit and do my reading ๐ )
Also, follow up daft question... Can Hue ones just work with a Zigbee hub or has to go via their hub exclusively? Because if that's the case I have a Currys 2 minutes up the road... ๐
(I have just googled and indeed you can but it may not be "as reliable") well I'll be... Thanks Tinkerer ๐
Hue can work with other Zigbee hubs
Are ODroid N2+ better than rpi 4 with ssd?
Apparently, yes
Ikea?
AliExpress?
Is it less supported?
Do you know if Iโll feel a difference?
Basically trying to get a super low power consumption board
It really depends... if you fully load it then yes, but at that point you'd probably have been better off with an old PC
It is a N2+
There you go
Problem I have with an old pc is that it probably uses more power idle
And now we get into the race to idle world
probably but not necessarily
Race to idle?
how do you expect your home assistant server to idle if its running home assistant?
Google it, but higher power systems can be lower power overall since they spend less time in the high power state
I run on an 8 year old i5 laptop. It's not as low power at idle as a Pi4, but it spends a lot less time busy
Given that a good part of the 45W power budget is screen and GPU, it's a long way from that at peak load
Gotcha
my Celeron board with 3 HDDs draws less than 36w
So generally what you guys are saying is an RPi would probably consume less power at idle but HA would be a decent load for it whereas something else might run HA with lots of headroom and may use less power?
precisely
and consider you need and SSD and external power supply for it to run HA reliably on the rpi4
odroid has an EMMC
You can also get something like this for a RPi 4 where it's all self contained if you go that route. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MJ3CSW7
Another thing Iโm considering is with a rpi4 it seems super common
With a NUC or something, issues seem harder to deal with?
Like what?
Ah... vague problems
Drivers
Yes, vague things are hard
Itโs more likely Iโll get support with an rpi right?
Not really
Oh?
Gotcha
Ty for the insight
Iโll do some more research
Oh and if I do go with a pi, do I need 4gb or 8gb?
4GB is plenty
Gotcha ty!
anyone recommend a good ceiling fan/light that works well with ha?
Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:
- Which country you're in
- What your budget is
- What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
- Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
I'm in the US, no budget or protocol restrictions really
Anyone had sonoff switch stuck open? I suspect the relay but mine is only about a year new
a year could be long time depending on what the relay was used for
It's for garage door. And it's rarely used.
well that shouldn't have made it fail then, but again sonoff used cheap components
I just expect more people with the same issue if it's relay. However I found nothing from google
which device exactly?
mine's the zigbee switch...BASICZBR3
I have it turn on then off after 300ms. Worked for months
R3's should be reliable
Hi all, i have quite a strange behavior with my Home Assistant, i realized it shortly while Unifi Controller add-on drops 32bit Support. I have A Raspberry Pi 4, 4G with ARM v8 Processor. But Home Assistant is showing armv7l because of that i cannot update the Controller. is this a known thing or is this something to open a issue on GH. I was searching but i did not find any useful information about my issue.
I run the following:
Host Operating System Home Assistant OS 6.2
Update Channel stable
Supervisor Version supervisor-2021.06.8
Docker Version 20.10.6
Disk Total 57.8 GB
Disk Used 14.3 GB
Healthy true
Supported true
Board rpi4
thx for any input.
Looks like you want to ask in #330990055533576204
ok, i will do that, thx for the hint, i'm quite new here...
I use an odroid n2 with emmc chip
Is there a reason to do that over an RPi?
emmc is more robust than an sd and faster than a ssd over usb
way better architecture than rpi imo
I've been thinking of upgrading and have a T620 to do so but that would be to add real time processing of cameras etc
I bought the N2 before the Rpi4 as well. Their similar in processing power now, but the N2 was way better than the rpi3
Iโm thinking of using a separate system for cameras
if I switch to the t620 for the main system the n2 will go in the shop I'm buiding to run a second zigbee network and pipe the data to mqtt over ethernet
How long does the n2 take to spin up?
actually I think I want to be able to add my own light bulb w/ the smart ceiling fan
because these LED ones don't have much for color options
Hey I am searching for a temperature and humidity sensor that is preferably WiFi compatible. I own a hue bridge but I donโt know it zigbee thermometers will work with it. If someone can recommend one for around 20โฌ it would be a perfect fit for me.
I can recommend Zigbee ones, both the Xiaomi and Konke ones have worked well with me. Sadly I doubt either work with the Hue bridge
Which bridge do you use for them ?
Hmmm my server sadly is in the basement so I doubt that something not network based will work
there's always BT via ESP32
So buy a network connected coordinator ... https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2
(or run Z2M on a Pi in the main house)
That sounds like it could be a solution for me but is something like this also a possible solution. https://www.amazon.de/SONOFF-ZBBridge-Dual-Protokoll-Unterstรผtzung-APP-Steuerung-Multi-Gerรคte-Management/dp/B08BCL961G/ref=sr_1_11?adgrpid=69954903806&dchild=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwmeiIBhA6EiwA-uaeFcIuwhJO87Fz1mi5X7rOFxc554GsQWyJaokj7ykG1OR0F_qUqUOIGBoCJn0QAvD_BwE&hvadid=352812065498&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9043447&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=15123792222199843104&hvtargid=kwd-302415362361&hydadcr=27925_1737049&keywords=zigbee+hub&qid=1629114295&sr=8-11
it's not really
So something like a BT based like a esp32 is a better solution?
Is the SONOFF RF bridge a good device if I want to use 433MHZ in my HA?
its not better, it's different
depends on the kind of 433 devices you want to use
I will try that
is there a better solution that will be more flexible? I would rather not use a cloud.
Ideally it will let me just get a bunch of cheap 433 door sensors ect
do you already have the door sensors?
No, I am currently using some zwave ones.
why do you want to degrade to ancient technology?
I need 4-8 more sensors and don't like the $30 price tag lol
The Sonoff is also a pretty crappy Zigbee coordinator
I have a zigbee controller, I'll steer clear of the RF it sounds like its not worth the savings ๐
AliExpress sells the Xiaomi Aqara door sensors for under ยฃ4 each
it does have that retro vibe going for it ๐
(admittedly those are listing as shipping from Russian, and they won't ship to the UK, so I'll have to pay about ยฃ8 for mine...)
Yeah, given that Z-Wave sensors are ยฃ30+ each, I'm happy to pay ยฃ10 or so
Where do you see those shipping for $5
I just searched on AliExpress, but it was shipping from Russia - if you're in the USA I doubt that helps you
4 for $36 isn't bad
6 for 54$ is even better
nice I clicked your link.
there were listing with larger quantities, you just have to shop around a bit
Yeah, it's not like you really only need one or two, it's more like one or two dozen ๐
Shoping alixpress is kinda like christmas shopping. shipping takes so long I usually forget and its like a surprise when it shows up
Yeah, I ordered a webcam for about 20% of what I could get it in the UK, and then forgot...
Guess I have a spare now
https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-snzb-04-zigbee-wireless-door-window-sensor/ Sonoff zigbee for about the same price as aliexpress
Does anyone know of a cheap BLE "keyfinder" that I could integrate to HA? Would be neat to ask my voice assistant where my keys are and not having to install some software on my phone that tracks my every movement
an ibeacon
Tile seems to be one option, but pretty expensive by the looks of it
i got these https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AV77B2
battery life is not that great
How bad is it?
a year would be much nicer but 6 months is okay ig
atleast you know it works with esphome
Hi everyone, I've a IKEA sensor connected to IKEA hub and I want to create a automation with it, but the only information HA seems to see is the battery level. Anyway to see when the sensor detect a move ?
maybe it shows up as event? not sure I only have tradfri bulbs and ditched the hub
I have 2x IKEA Tradfri bulbs. When I switch them on using light.turn_on with a transition key set to 5s one of the bulbs turns on gradually as expected, the other flips straight on to 100% brightness.
Has anyone else experienced this?
@gentle fossil : How to check if it's a event ?
some question about DSMR reader and Nodemcu-ESP8266
I get this message: [D][DmsrCustom:183]: No data available. Is P1 port connected?
I have tried different pins but no success
what else can I do?
hey what kind od zigbee stick / hub would I need for this thermostat? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B086Z1VPKJ/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_RX1YN569BVH014VVYJ8T
preferably with good wireless range
#diy-archived can help you
Either of the #zigbee-archived integrations - ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT with a CC2652 based stick
You may need further devices to extend the mesh far enough
I tried the range with my hue bridge and it worked is that comparable ?
Probably
With any wireless (aka RF) signal there's a lot of it depends
If you're putting the USB stick in the same place the Hue bridge is currently then the odds are good
Of course, you can also replace your hub with ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, which will help a lot
ok so I've now decided to get a cc2652 stick to flash it with zigbee2MQTT, what is the best option available in germany for around 20โฌ
He's at least shipping in a timely manner these days
Yeah, they're all much of a such - it's purely whether you want USB connected, or network connected (which would be an import from the US)
I'm probably really dumb. But what's the point of zen mode in the blue odroid board?
It does not have wifi so your zen-mode is blocking the ethernet jack and all other ports?
I must be missing the point immensely ๐
does any know a dimmer that you can put inside the light electric box. I have found many switch but do dimmer :/
ideally wifi
Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:
- Which country you're in
- What your budget is
- What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
- Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
Check out Shelly or Fibora. They both provide small wall-box mountable dimmers. Shelly supports WiFi.
Try Shellyโs official@store online
will do thanks
- What is the best camera doorbell these days for native HA integration?
- Can the Amcrest AD110 work without any additional integrations? WiFi of course.
There is even an European store if youโre on this side of the world.
im in canada ๐ so us is good for me
Woohoo! Custom humidity/temperature sensor works! https://i.imgur.com/WvFGBDd.png Sleeping for 10 minutes, and awake for 10s. You can tell where deep_sleep was enabled in esphome to keep the CPU temps down https://i.imgur.com/CUfVuSo.png.
Hey everyone, HW question, can I use this as a dual relay for a wall switch? need to operate two separate lights. Thanks!
https://www.banggood.com/Tuya-ZB-Two-Way-Smart-Switch-Module-110-240V-Control-Light-Switch-Controller-Automation-Module-Relay-Work-With-Alexa-or-Google-Home-p-1870647.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
yes
that depends on the integration you use
I am rocking a conbee 2 and rpi3
neither of those are an integration
why would you use a Tuya integration if you already have a zigbee stick
so the only integration I need is the one for conbee?
sorry I am a beginner ๐ฆ
I got conbee working with a door sensor, though
once i find out which integration that is i may be able to actually answer some of the questions
ZigBee
deCONZ
that's the integration for all my zigbee devices
I don't have Tuya devices, and I am not sure what integration you want information for
then go here and find a 2 channel relay module https://zigbee.blakadder.com/deconz.html
if you want to buy a zigbee device i was looking for the zigbee integration you're using
trying to find one that matches
the product I shared is not in that list, and I am having trouble finding something similar
that's what you get for deconz
its the same thing
you mean it will work? I don't understand ๐ฆ
are you looking for a device identical to what you posted or a device that can operate 2 channels via a double light switch?
the latter, any device that can work and is available
is there a better integration than deconz?
yes but not for your stick
ok
I think I found it in alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/240V-2300W-2-Gang-2-Way_62536318096.html
Are these boys back in stock?
I was able to add it to my cart... but then it got removed because it can't be shipped to my address..?
They can only ship to outside of the UK and EU but will have it back in stock come mid September... for flip sake
anyone recommend a good ceiling fan/light that works well with ha?
Does anyone recommend a good US wifi light switch that does not require a neutral wire? Or a good wifi remote/scene controller?
@green summitdo you have a ground wire? or is the box grounded?
Iโll have to double check, but I donโt believe that it is grounded.
well you need to check. no neutral smart switches come in two flavors, needing a ground and not needing a ground.
I donโt believe any of our switches have a ground.
Even a solution that is a remote might work.(where I just take the switch out of the equation) At the moment I have a smart light bulb.
smart switches and smart light bulbs do not mix
well for the most part. I know there is like a couple exceptions in the world today lol
I would of course Replace the bulb if I used a new switch. What do you recommend that I should do?
I think GE makes some that don't require a ground or neutral. I believe they are called C by GE or something. try looking them up
Most older homes in the US the box the switches set in are made of metal, and those boxes are usually grounded through a few different means. You can usually test this safely with a multimeter. I just googled this real quick https://allcoasthomeinspections.com/how-to-tell-if-metal-box-is-grounded/
I would make sure yours is not grounded and you have no ground option. cause with a ground your options go up
I know itโs silly to ask, Does this line of switches integrate into home assistant?
which? the GE one? I think there is a way, not sure. you will have to look it up. I would do some serious research on other possible brands and then seeing if those have integrations for HA before buying anything. Just know going into it you are way limited
Yes certainly. Iโm thinking something Tuya based should work well. Thanks!
Thanks for all your advice, finally went for the Slaesh! Ready and willing to hear everyone tell me that was a bad idea haha
Just got a ZZH stick that supports LE Bluetooth. Anyone got a Bluetooth device they really like ?
Hm, I did flash it with the firmware they suggested for ZHA. Did I just disable the other radios on the stick?
The features of the stick depends on the firmware it runs
gotcha
Has anyone tried MoesGo brand Zigbee smart switches? Wondering if they work with any Zigbee receiver as it says you have to have a Tuya 3.0 hub. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0969XBVTJ
If you're using one of the #zigbee-archived integrations then check their lists to see if they're known to work
I got an energy gateway from my electricity company that allows me to get real time smart meter readings. I'm trying to get into the device to figure out what's going on in hopes of finding a path forward to integrating it with HA.
https://fccid.io/2AUYW-A010001/Internal-Photos/EUT-Internal-Photo-4695782
Doing a port scan I only see port 80 open. The gateway is essentially a mini computer (Intel atom e3805) with a USB port. I tried using a bootable USB drive but it didn't boot to it
Any recommendations on ways to get into this thing?
Can you remove the eMMC?
I haven't gotten into it yet, I needed to order a torx security bit. It will be a could days before I get it. The year down makes it look like the eMMC is soddered in but I'm not certain
Tear down*
If it is removable that's your best way in
It does have a data port inside, but I'm not sure if I can make use of that
Sata port*
That's the eMMC, looks like it gets soddered in
I've got you... https://www.riverloopsecurity.com/blog/2020/03/hw-101-emmc/
Thank you, I'll look this over now with my coffee :)
I'm looking for a ZigBee smart plug that also collects electricity data, any recommendations or are there none?
See the lists of hardware in the pinned messages over in #zigbee-archived
Location: Canada, Price: Under $100, I was about to change out the switch on my laundry room to a WeMo (already have several WeMo light switches installed), but found out after I took apart the wall switch that there's no neutral wire. The fixture is just a double bulb florescent utility light. Should I 1) use the Lutron Caseta (more $$) 2) Wire up something inside the light fixture with a Wemo plug or even a Shelly relay? Would #2 be recommended or not? Issues: If someone switches off the light switch, then the Wemo plug is turned off, so no wifi until someone turns on the lights --> cannot remotely turn on the light. The Caseta system would work better in this case, I guess. Opinions, anyone? (btw, already have one switch as a Caseta in the house, but it's at the other end. Not sure if the Caseta bridge will reach)
Here's a stupid question - I have a smart bulb by the coat closet - but is there anything (battery powered) that I can install on the door or perhaps inside the coat closet that triggers the smart bulb to turn on? Note the bulb is actually just outside the closet.
You can add a motion sensor or door sensor and have HA do it
like a battery powered motion sensor?
any particular ones that come to your mind? Amazon is coming up empty
I use mostly #zigbee-archived and I find the ranges by Konke and Xiaomi Aqara are both good
AliExpress is way cheaper than Amazon
Wonder if i could get one of the Tradfri ones (ikea) and trick it to just work with a xiaomi bulb
oh - xiaomi aqara might just work!
I have a tradfri hub
Well, if it's all hooked into HA you're good
It's just some automations at that point
yep it's all connected to HA
both Tradfri and XIaomi bulb are - just a matter of that motion sensor that i can't figure out haha. Doesn't look like Aqara will work, it requires its own hub.
Well, yes, but no
It requires a hub that supports it
Which is why we always so no hub, use ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT
makes sense ! I'll dig deeper. See if Tradfri's motion sensor might be the easiest solution and if i need to dig deeper
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