hardware-archived

[native pilot]

no, they are pretty responsive bulbs

basically instant unless you have transitions on

[fallen cedar]

sweet

[native pilot]

then they are instant + the transition time

[opaque briar]

How do you make the LIFX local?

[fallen cedar]

do you have the 800 lumen or the 1100

[native pilot]

800

in all cases

[nocturne tree]

With an Apollo MSR-2 is there more to Radar Target than one of the energy levels being above the threshold? I have seen 100% still energy and still radar target was "clear".

[native pilot]

you connect them via the included instructions, then you integrate them to HA with the following, and then you're done https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/lifx/

[cold moon]

I’m replacing my hue with 1100 and 1600 the 830 are way too dim

[burnt ether]

Thanks,
I went with the Sonoff ZBmini smart switch.
I've found the 'Shelly one'. That's probably the one you meant.

[native pilot]

I'm only using these for secondary lighting so it's ok in my use case. If it was my main source I'd definitely bump to the higher output.

[burnt ether]

Only difference i found between sonoff and shelly is that the shelly is rated for max 16a instead of 10a.

Meaning the sonoff zbmini will probably break before the circuit breaker pops.

Other than that... the same.
Theres a youtube video doing a deep dive comparison between the 2

[native pilot]

Most people say to avoid sonoff stuff due to reliability challenges, YMMV

It's almost as bad of a word as tuya on this server.

[slim lagoon]

Ew... Sonoff.

(Like that?) lol

[buoyant osprey]

LIFX are garbage tho

And this is coming from someone with 5 of their Tile sets and various bulbs

Their wifi connectivity is horrendous and a known issue on their reddit/forums

[fallen cedar]

maybe I just won't get smart bulbs lol

[buoyant osprey]

Zigbee is the way

[slim lagoon]

I didn't say I recommended them 🙂 Just that for color, saturation and brightness, they are still top of the pile. lol

[buoyant osprey]

Just go Philips

I got 40 and they are rock solid

[fallen cedar]

but the brightness is not great?

[buoyant osprey]

I also have 15 Ikeas, Solid, but shit routers and bad green render

[fallen cedar]

that's what I'm hearing

[buoyant osprey]

The brightness is very adequate. Who said otherwise?

[slim lagoon]

Me #hardware-archived message

[buoyant osprey]

https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/intelligente-luminosité-compatible-Bluetooth-concentrateur/dp/B095KV6RFY/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_fr_CA=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=TEYNHGW6B2W7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lELaaGv3IivK5PL9U55_WlppqvGta2daqKBXNdFWvIjPxcrv9VnmdaIZht2_1s1dCZV9MPsnq1koaFI1SqbvORigqf3hzLNHoRVOMOGWTSYyumWqmDKk9MC9GhT-y34ygCue-kCS4pqkHVOevYZ5UpmmcjPr-UVlrB7FiGnTvMT08rsdOCfQN-1k6k1x_uVYEAbNjzF1vS89zFR1P-WtBfmaKWPx9ZNJZkoUtrIDxjpM6ocO8CAkb_BP-XdpLIF37oqKvKIEkvSQjfzqA9pt3dZ-h643777MTTiOn5Lquzs.j5bZ5TaRFIswBC51yF9boicFJz-_5J5n_s9nEfrMZDA&dib_tag=se&keywords=hue+1600&qid=1721406355&sprefix=hue+1600%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-3

they got 1600Lumens even

[native pilot]

I mean, lots of people say that about Hue brightness.

lots

[fallen cedar]

that's way too much for one bulb for me lol

[buoyant osprey]

Add more bulbs 😛

Anyway they will create your Zigbee network for the rest

So it's good to have a lot of them anyway

Since sensor and endpoints do not repeat signal

[buoyant osprey]

I don't aggree that their color is not the best

They are by FAR ( Taking lifx in exception) the brightest color bulbs

[fallen cedar]

Do I need to use their hub?

[buoyant osprey]

And the color render is great compared ot Ikeas

I use a Sonoff usb stick

[native pilot]

no

[buoyant osprey]

I measured globes/.Tuya at a tenth of the peak brightness of the second gen Hues

[slim lagoon]

I mean, compared to Innr, Hue's color and saturation isn't the best. Innr still has them beat there.

[fallen cedar]

idk if I wanna spend $50 per bulb

but I'll think about it

[native pilot]

I wouldn't either

so I didn't

[buoyant osprey]

Innr is not available in canada apparently

[buoyant osprey]

Did you tried the last gens?

I'll admit that first gen hues were pretty bad with green and yellow

They added a green and Yellow set of led instead of relying on combination of other leds

[slim lagoon]

Yeah, I've got a few of the latest gens and they're alright. But my Innrs still look better to my eyes. Granted, I've ripped out almost all of my Hues and went with Wiz (which does a horrible job with blues).

[buoyant osprey]

Innr I would try if available here.

Since the best we got is Hue i went with that

Don't even regret the price tag

VERY worth it for having a rock solid zigbee network

[fallen cedar]

I would spend $50 per bulb if it was definitively the best option

[slim lagoon]

Oh yeah, 100%... Go with what's best for you. Fully on board with that.

[fallen cedar]

but it seems like it might not be idk

[buoyant osprey]

There's no such things in computer tech😛

[slim lagoon]

The best option is often subjective

[native pilot]

probably why you gave 4 options 😄

[slim lagoon]

Hues are rock solid and good bulbs. Are they the best is really up to you.

[fallen cedar]

well it's definitely the highest price point lol

[buoyant osprey]

For a reason

I have one running since 5 years in an enclosed lamp

They say to NOT do that

[native pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-yes-imagination-gif-14776727382727473857

[buoyant osprey]

yet it works 5 years later

VEry resilient bulbs

I have a few under the rain too

[fallen cedar]

I just don't want to buy them and be like "wow this is shittier than my regular white bulbs"

[buoyant osprey]

Amazon has a month return period

But don't get the colors unless you have a real need for them.

Like accesibility

or drug use

I do both, so i went with them

[fallen cedar]

I want colors

[buoyant osprey]

Lights turn blue when someone rings and green when someone leaves the house

(for a second)

[fallen cedar]

if I wanted white bulbs I wouln't buy smart bulbs lol

[buoyant osprey]

Why not?

Very nice to not have to stand from the bed half asleep to turn them off haha

[fallen cedar]

eh

[buoyant osprey]

That's why i got them initially xD

[fallen cedar]

I don't really care tbqh

lol

if I cared that much I would buy a smart switch maybe

[slim lagoon]

As someone with well over 100 bulbs, I kinda disagree 😉

[buoyant osprey]

To each his own 😛 I ain't about to ask eveyrone in the bed to move to turn them off

Hence zigbee

[native pilot]

Smart bulbs should be used in places where you want color or you can't install a smart switch.

[fallen cedar]

I just want color

[slim lagoon]

So... many... questions lmfao

[buoyant osprey]

hues are at 40$ cad each

[buoyant osprey]

HAhaha

[fallen cedar]

not for the bright ones

[buoyant osprey]

The colors are as bright

only the white is 1600lumens

I know, marketing scam

[fallen cedar]

I'm ok with that actually

[buoyant osprey]

Or at least I do not see the difference

[fallen cedar]

I just want the white to be good when I need to see

[buoyant osprey]

Well put 2 bulbs 😛 Same price for a 1600 lumens at 80$ or a 800 at 40$

but with two bulbs you get more color saturation

[slim lagoon]

So, like we said... the Hues are good. You could also go a lot cheaper and start with Wiz bulbs. They're WiFi, do color (for like $17/bulb) and are pretty reliable. One advantage they have over Zigbee bulbs is they have animated scenes. Plus, they're made by Philips as well.

[buoyant osprey]

I can read under my red light per instance, since i got 3 in eahc room

[fallen cedar]

what's the downside on the wiz

[buoyant osprey]

I would not go Wiufi @fallen cedar I did that initially. I had 30 Tuya bulbs.

Witching to zigbee was.. a pain

Since it was not done at once, but as I could afford the hues

[fallen cedar]

I only will have a few bulbs

[buoyant osprey]

That's what we all said ;p

Only a few sensors i swear

[fallen cedar]

I have a small apartment

[buoyant osprey]

Ay, just telling you it's quite a rabbit hole 😛

[slim lagoon]

Tuya... that's the issue there... not WiFi.

[buoyant osprey]

I got an appartment and got over 200 devices

[fallen cedar]

I don't have space for that

I've done smart home for a while

[slim lagoon]

Oh, you make space... lol

[buoyant osprey]

bingo

Also tablets on walls dont take space

That['s why I got 7

[fallen cedar]

idk it's just never been a thing for me lol

[slim lagoon]

My house is 1150 sq ft, >250 devices... sigh

[buoyant osprey]

1200 square foot here

[fallen cedar]

I really just want to be able to make my room cool colors

[buoyant osprey]

bout 200 devices and 200 automations

@fallen cedar Go philips

Since not many bulbs

might as well get the best

Not like you're gonna buy 100 😛

[fallen cedar]

you really think the 800w ones are good enough

[buoyant osprey]

Let me see my inventory

[slim lagoon]

So, even though @buoyant osprey will disagree... look at the Wiz bulbs. If you really just want to add color, I don't see the need to spend on the Hue bulbs. Just my opinion, obvs.

[buoyant osprey]

i think i have 25 of those

https://github.com/maxi1134/Home-Assistant-Config/blob/master/documentation/zigbee.md

gOT 20

[fallen cedar]

well I want to add color but I also don't want to have shitty lighting when I need white

[buoyant osprey]

Got 20, and yes

But get the 1600 Lumens if you really want bright white

they pop in neutral white

And go lower as you go to coldest or wasrmest

Since it uses half the leds

[fallen cedar]

why are the wiz bulbs so much cheaper?

[buoyant osprey]

Cheaper quality build, no Zigbee certification

And no brand recognition

[slim lagoon]

Because Philips has a really good manufacturing process when it comes to WiFi devices.

[fallen cedar]

but the color gamut is good?

[native pilot]

Dude, just grab a wiz bulb, a hue bulb, and a lifx bulb from Amazon. Try them all side by side and pick the one you like. Return the rest, then order more.

[buoyant osprey]

^^^^^^^^^

[fallen cedar]

smart

[slim lagoon]

Yup. Except for "true blue" they work great here.

[buoyant osprey]

Skip LIFX tho, really nice colors, probably the best. But People seem to have various issues and their support is lackluster since their aquisition by Feit

They tried to ship me a replacement PSU for my LIFX tiles 4 times

[native pilot]

Again, I use them with zero problems and know several others in the same boat.

[buoyant osprey]

In total they sent me 11 tiles and no PSU xD

With two of the boxes labeled "PSU":

buit containing tile(s)

[fallen cedar]

I'll try em all out

I'm moving and I'm using it as an excuse to put in fancy lights

[buoyant osprey]

If you go led strips, do not buy on amazon. Random advice

[fallen cedar]

idk if I should grab the hues now while they're cheap or wait lol

[buoyant osprey]

Go with BTF lighting on aliexpress

They are often on sales tbh

[fallen cedar]

I was gonna go cheap strips and fancy bulbs

[buoyant osprey]

Naaaaah

Do the opposite

[fallen cedar]

y

[buoyant osprey]

You want led per meters to be higher

Cheap strips have a lot of space between leds

[fallen cedar]

eh but the strips are just for ambiance

[buoyant osprey]

With the good ones you get a continous beam of light once under a diffuser

[fallen cedar]

the bulbs have to actually light my room

[buoyant osprey]

Leds will light more than the bulbs if you do the entire peripheral at the ceiling level

Especially if you get leds with a white channel

I use "BTF-Lighting RGBW RGBNW SK6812"

Here a video

[fallen cedar]

that's actually pretty reasonably priced

hrmm

[drowsy scroll]

Pick your poison always aapplies.

[drowsy scroll]

Much like my new" keyboard that keeps double keying on me

[buoyant osprey]

I did a door frame with those

[minor heath]

OMG

[buoyant osprey]

Looks better IRL, the diffuser does its job better somehow in real life

Probably has to do with the lack of HDR

[buoyant osprey]

And get this controller: https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/wled-high-power-led-strip-controller

It does addressable too. So you can do nice effects

[native pilot]

keep in mind that doesn't include a controller or power supply

[cold moon]

I wouldn’t deploy any wled controllers using es8285 etc only esp32

Wled can’t run well on old shit anymore

[native pilot]

Cannot agree with SHS more here

[cold moon]

If you use older more stable wled versions it won’t matter tho

[fallen cedar]

I have esp32s

could probaby make my own controller

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-always-my-intention-captain-spock-star-trek-the-original-series-that-was-always-what-i-wanted-gif-23455328

[cold moon]

It’s not worth it but ya

[native pilot]

it's fun though

[cold moon]

Source: I have 20 diy led controllers with shitty Wi-Fi reception

[fallen cedar]

I probably have all of the parts

[minor heath]

A pole dance and you'r good to open a ### shop 😉

[buoyant osprey]

TIL!

[cold moon]

It’s the cheap esp32 with no external antenna that’s the issue

[buoyant osprey]

The dungeon is in another room 😉

[cold moon]

If you use like Quindor esp32 you’re fine to diy

[fallen cedar]

I have a few options

[cold moon]

But by the time you add fuses and 3d print a case it’s usually better to buy premade

[fallen cedar]

some allow external antennas

[cold moon]

With nice blocks to attach wires to

[fallen cedar]

I have a lot of stuff

could probably make something

[native pilot]

and always add fuses to these

[fallen cedar]

probably have screw terminals or wagos somewhere

[drowsy scroll]

Yeah, I have tons of mcu boards, multiple 3d printers, and cad skills, but at this point in time, it's best to buy shelly or other known brand.

unless you have pcb skills and a reflow oven

then maybe it might be worth it to roll your own

[cold moon]

I’ve added zero fuses and only one fried but it was the barrel connector itself shorting. Not that I suggest doing it this way

For big projects I use Quindor boards prefused tho

[vagrant vigil]

There is cheaper options, why pay so much for a motion sensor?

[cold moon]

That’s not a motion sensor it’s a presence sensor

[slim lagoon]

And adding to what SHS said, I was dumb. I have since gotten rid of mine.

[vagrant vigil]

You can’t use a motion sensor as a presence sensor?

[cold moon]

you're mixing terminology

[slim lagoon]

Because motion requires motion and heat. Presence is detecting using radar.

[vagrant vigil]

It detects if you are in the room right?

[slim lagoon]

Yes, but if you stop moving, it stops detecting you. Presence sensors don't have that problem.

[vagrant vigil]

So you put a timer so if you move within a given time it works.

[slim lagoon]

Nope

It does not.

[vagrant vigil]

Or you put two, by the door and in the room. So when you enter the room lights turn on, when you leave lights turn off.

[slim lagoon]

Not as accurately at least. Sure, you can put a 10 minute timeout, but if you don't move in those 10 minutes (like sleeping), then it stops detecting you.

[cold moon]

it's crazy to me you think you can brute force your way into not needing mmwave when the use cases exist and that's why the products exist lol

[vagrant vigil]

Good, your sleeping so it shouldn’t turn on the lights. 😅

[slim lagoon]

It's not just for lights 🙂

You're thinking too small.

[vagrant vigil]

What do you use it for?

[cold moon]

can you work around just using PIR? sure. is that sufficient enough for most people? yesnt

[native pilot]

yeah, it's easy to add and the safety factor increases a ton by doing it so I'm always going to recommend adding one.

[cold moon]

i was just giving a data point that 20 devices work without it- the wled guys made it seem like they'd fry on the first power outage and they seem to do just fine

but i also use them at like 3a or less and no power going thru the esp themselves just powered by gpio

[slim lagoon]

If I get out of bed, after 10 minutes, open the curtains. If I get back into bed, close the curtains. Or, if I sit down on the couch, turn on the TV. If something is playing and I get up for a few seconds, automatically pause it and when I return, start playing again.

[vagrant vigil]

Trying to think the reason we need one so bad especially at that price. I mean if you can put many motion detectors instead of 1 presence detector of that price. 🤷‍♂️

[native pilot]

yeah yeah, I'm not arguing!

[cold moon]

you wouldnt buy the fp2 these days

[slim lagoon]

There are much cheaper ones.

[cold moon]

better cheaper options exist

[vagrant vigil]

So you don’t want to push any buttons at all? 😂

[cold moon]

the more you have to interact with your smart home the dumber it feels

[slim lagoon]

NOPE

My house is reactive, not interactive. I don't want to press buttons, speak commands, use a dashboard. Nothing. I want the house to react to me and what I'm doing.

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, but I mean if it takes a button to open the curtains, and another to pause the movie… i mean it’s lazy enough for me. Don’t need it to read my mind on my every action. 😅

[cold moon]

i think you've managed to miss the point of why most of us use home assistant lol

[slim lagoon]

Eh, what's the point of having a smart home if I have to make it do what I want rather than evaluating the environment and reacting to me?

[vagrant vigil]

What if you want it to continue playing the movie when you get up from the sofa? Then you have to get up with one arm raised up?

[slim lagoon]

Why would I want to do that? If I get up, I would almost always want the movie to pause.

[vagrant vigil]

Light if you want to multi task, want to get a snack as you watch the movie…

[cold moon]

then you'd further complicate it with overrides

using something like a magic cube to easily switch between "modes"

[slim lagoon]

I would still want it to pause. lol I mean, I can't think of a single instance where I wouldn't want it to pause. If I'm getting up and leaving the room, pause the media.

[vagrant vigil]

My point is, there is always those cases that you don’t think of and the automation gets in the way sometimes.

[cold moon]

that's why you have overrides that act as conditionals to stop the automation from running when you dont want it to

[slim lagoon]

Not in my case 🙂 I did miss ONE instance the other night though that I corrected.

[cold moon]

i still need to setup better overrides

like a cleaning mode, that kind of thing

[slim lagoon]

Yeah, same. I have most of mine done except for the bathroom. That one's being a bit of a pain.

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, if you’re leaving the room sure, but if you just get up from the sofa maybe you want it to continue.

That’s why I said you can out 2 sensors by the door and in the room.

[native pilot]

or you can have one presence sensor with zones

[slim lagoon]

1 presence sensor can handle that though. I can just check the zones.

@native pilot ninja'd me 😉

[vagrant vigil]

What’s the cheapest one?

Maybe I can put one in the chicken house to count if all of them are precent before the door closes. 😅

If it is as cheap as a door laser sensor it would make sense.

[slim lagoon]

lol cheapest is not best. You could buy a cheap Tuya one off Ali, but it will suck and that use case doesn't really work as most of them can't do mutli-targeting like that.

[vagrant vigil]

Ok, the cheapest that actually works. 😅

[native pilot]

https://apolloautomation.com/products/mtr-1

(sorry @cold moon )

[slim lagoon]

bwahaha! NICE

[drowsy scroll]

So I am building one device. It's basically a 5v peristaltic pump that pumps vinegar into the AC system to keep the drain lines clear. Like this https://acdrainflo.com/

[cold moon]

butwhy

just use the algae tabs in the evap drain pan

[drowsy scroll]

because the drain lines get clogged up and overflow into the house

[cold moon]

redesign the overflow to go outside

[drowsy scroll]

then that clogs too...

if there is a system that depends on me to do something at intervals, that's not going to work

[cold moon]

i dont think this will work but i'd love to be proven wrong lol

gunk will find a way

[drowsy scroll]

there are more potent biocides

[cold moon]

during covid the ERs realized vinegar works better than bleach and they still use it

[drowsy scroll]

which I have no problem using so long as they don't rot the coils

bleach kind of sucks and destroys metal

it's not my favorite no

I'd rather use lye

good old sodium hydroxide

[vagrant vigil]

So I should get rid of my Shelly motion sensors? 🤔

[native pilot]

not if they work for your usecase

[vagrant vigil]

Well, if this is cheaper and it does the same job; and if I make money selling the motions…

[drowsy scroll]

So, my point is... what device and firmware should I use? zigbee preferred. would prefer a board that could accept a command to "run pump for 30 seconds" than a firmware that has to have a turn on and turn off command.

is that even available?

[slim lagoon]

Same job, but different. Yes, presence is superior in a lot of ways, but also more difficult. If you have ceiling fans for instance, then you need to take that into account.

[cold moon]

there is no such thing as zigbee diy to a non-developer except for this: https://home-assistant-guide.com/guide/how-to-build-the-easiest-zigbee-chair-occupancy-sensor/

but sounds like you need esphome and wifi/ethernet not zigbee

[vagrant vigil]

Then you do zone selection to ignore the fan, no?

[drowsy scroll]

I have been coding since slackware linux came on 18 floppy disks

[native pilot]

depends on the sensor. Some have settings that allow you to ignore the fan's "energy reading", some you make zones around the fan.

[vagrant vigil]

Energy reading..?

[drowsy scroll]

Dude has one leg and his foot is bonded with the chair.

[cold moon]

ok then i can point you to non existent docs to follow for diy zigbee devices

[slim lagoon]

Yeah. mmWave uses radar energy to do it's detection.

[native pilot]

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/msr-1/page/how-to-tune-mmwave-using-home-assistant @vagrant vigil

[cold moon]

the point is you can take an off the shelf sensor and repurpose it with two leads coming off the sensor not the ai picture

[cold moon]

if i was being picky i'd say link the msr-2 docs instead since msr-1 isnt sold anymore but same end result since both use ld2410

[drowsy scroll]

Yeah, I guess my question was more protocol related... does there exist a zigbee command or device that will do something for X seconds?

[cold moon]

ask the nerds in #zigbee-archived i guess

sounds normal

[native pilot]

@cold moon @vagrant vigil https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/msr-2/page/how-to-tune-mmwave-using-home-assistant

😘 there

[vagrant vigil]

Oh so there is a newer version of it I guess.

[cold moon]

do the images on this page look weird for you?

like hdr to sdr or something wonky (im viewing on non-hdr monitor)

[slim lagoon]

looks normal to me

[native pilot]

The HA screens are a tiny bit fuzzy but totally readable

[cold moon]

there is like "ghosting" or something

[vagrant vigil]

When you zoom in there is a bit red around the letters which may cause ghosting. 🤔

[cold moon]

yeah

i see the same thing

[vagrant vigil]

Looks like the page from before.

[cold moon]

so either they are old and we have good eyes

or they have nice HDR monitors and we dont and it's related to that

[vagrant vigil]

I just zoomed in on your image, not sure it would matter what we use to look at it.

[cold moon]

if the screenshot was taken on an hdr device wouldnt it include hdr shit that when viewed from an SDR screen looks different?

[vagrant vigil]

I have no idea, I looked at it using my iPhone. 🤷‍♂️

Try changing the theme or style of text if posible.

[native pilot]

If I zoom WAY WAY WAY in I see the red ghosting

like 400x

and these eyes are 20/20

[vagrant vigil]

Ok, any reason anyone would buy a motion sensor at this point if the presence sensor does all that and is around the same price or cheaper?

[slim lagoon]

Yes. Pick the right tool for the job. For instance, in some rooms, I spend maybe 5-10 minutes in there. All I need is a motion sensor to know I've entered/exited in x minutes. That is perfect for a PIR motion sensor. I don't need the overhead of a presence sensor and tuning it and all that. Or, in my carport to know if someone walked by. Stuff like that. Plus, PIR motion sensors can sometimes react faster than presence sensors can.

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-grandma-lets-get-you-to-bed-yes-grandma-gif-6683134261581381982

[cold moon]

Because a decent zigbee pir works great and doesn’t use any Wi-Fi airtime fairness

[vagrant vigil]

But aren’t the presence sensors cheaper?
I mean I got shelly motion sensors and shelly motion 2 sensors… they were expensive to get.

[cold moon]

And pir reacts quicker or used to be the case

[vagrant vigil]

The presence sensors are all zigbee? 🤦‍♂️

[cold moon]

What

[slim lagoon]

Not neccesarily. I can get an Aqara P1 motion sensor for $17.

[vagrant vigil]

Ive been sticking to wifi for everything at my house. 😅

I didn’t want to get all those hubs and have them break down on me disabling all my automations.

Every sensor should have the hub within it all working as backup hubs for each other.

Or perhaps we will have a router one day that will have zigbee, bluetooth, zwave all included within the router with a mesh network. This way every device will also act like an extender as well.

[slim lagoon]

What? lol what hubs?

I have exactly ZERO hubs.

And a blend of WiFi, Zigbee and ZWave.

[vagrant vigil]

Then how do you connect them to HA?

[slim lagoon]

There's a company that kinda did that... didn't go so well for them. (Securifi).

[slim lagoon]

Zigbee lan coordinator, ZWave USB stick and a damn good enterprise network for WiFi.

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, those are hubs

[slim lagoon]

No. They are NOT hubs.

They are adapters... really, if you want to get super technical, HA is a "hub", but that's about it.

[vagrant vigil]

If all your devices connect to them in order to connect to HA then it is a hub. In other words a single point of failure.

Hub, Gateway, adaptor… whatever…

[slim lagoon]

lol ah, no. I don't have any single point of failure.

[vagrant vigil]

If your adapter fails they can’t connect to HA right?

[winged knoll]

Spare coordinator in a drawer, easy swap if one fails

[slim lagoon]

HA runs in a container. Z2M runs in a container on a separate machine. ZW2JS runs in a container as well. Everything is in containers. If a piece of hardware dies, swap to another one. Done.

[vagrant vigil]

With WiFi, if a device fails I know it is the devices; otherwise I don’t get internet if router fails… so much easier to troubleshoot.

[slim lagoon]

Also, by that logic, if one of your Shellies has a WiFi radio fail, you're in the same boat.

[vagrant vigil]

What wifi radio fail..? You mean low signal..? That’s a thing? 😅

[slim lagoon]

Uh no. The physical WiFi chip in the device. They fail like any other piece of hardware. Ask me how I know. lol

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, so if the device fails I replace the device. I know directly that it was that sensor that failed.

It doesn’t effect the rest of the devices at all

[slim lagoon]

Same gooes for any other type of equipment though. If one of my sensors falls off of HA, I know it's either the sensor or the battery. You're still not making an argument here. lol

[slim lagoon]

That's why backup equipment exists 😉

[vagrant vigil]

The point is, if 1 sensor fails, it doesn’t become a single point of failure for all my devices to stop

[slim lagoon]

And with the tiniest bit of planning, you can replace the single point of failure in a couple of minutes.

[native pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-ok-okay-then-gif-24387952

[slim lagoon]

So, if your router goes out, ALL your devices are pretty much dead, right? Do you have a backup router for that?

(spoiler: ||||I do||||) lol

[vagrant vigil]

Not when it matters, bad timing is all it takes. But with WiFi, 1 device fails, it only effects automations related to 1 device only.

[slim lagoon]

It is literally the same with Zigbee and ZWave.

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, router is the only point of failure with wifi; but with you…

[slim lagoon]

With me I have 3 and I have 3 backups.

[native pilot]

and it doesn't matter because most presence sensors are wifi anyway which is what you asked about

[fallen cedar]

should I snag these hue bulbs while they're on sale for $75 or should I wait for the move

[vagrant vigil]

Both MTR-1 and MSR-2 work with wifi? No extra “adapters” needed?

[native pilot]

how far away is the move?

[slim lagoon]

Yup

[fallen cedar]

aug 9

[slim lagoon]

Thought you were gonna do one of each and test them?

[fallen cedar]

yeah I will but should I grab em while on sale

[native pilot]

then buy them, I think that's inside the return window for amazon

[slim lagoon]

Yup... what Ender said... grab them and if you don't like them, toss em back to Amazon.

[fallen cedar]

they're the 60w 800 lumen ones

for $75

for 3

[slim lagoon]

Those should be fine.

[vagrant vigil]

$75 per lightbulb? 🤯

[fallen cedar]

for 3

[native pilot]

no, Naro

[slim lagoon]

FOR 3.

lmao

[vagrant vigil]

$25 per lightbulb? 🤯

😅

[fallen cedar]

philips hue

[native pilot]

but @fallen cedar if you're outside of the return window you could probably sell them to Naro for profit

[fallen cedar]

lol

[vagrant vigil]

Why hue so expensive? Aren’t lightbulbs for like $5..? 🤷‍♂️

[fallen cedar]

smart color chaning bulbs

[vagrant vigil]

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about.

[fallen cedar]

they don't suck

lol

[winged knoll]

Expensive because they're good, pretty much the gold standard of smart bulbs

[vagrant vigil]

lol

[native pilot]

Naro, just scroll up like 700 messages and you can read the reasoning why there

[winged knoll]

You can spend less and get less, if that's what you want

[vagrant vigil]

That’s what I’m asking; good at what..?

[slim lagoon]

The ONLY bulbs that cheap are Tuya ones... and no.

[fallen cedar]

I ordered the philips huehuehues

[vagrant vigil]

The only issue I got with my $5 Tuya bulbs is that when internet goes off, the bulb turns itself on and I have no control over that. Otherwise they work just fine even over local.

[fallen cedar]

I found out my current dumb bulbs are only 700 lumen

[vagrant vigil]

They got better colors or more light..?

[fallen cedar]

so 800 probably good enough

[minor heath]

@fallen cedar they are whitewhitewhite? or color? 😉

[slim lagoon]

Uh huh.

[native pilot]

I'd agree with that based on the use case you descibed before

[vagrant vigil]

I even dim mine because I don’t like direct light into my eyes.

[fallen cedar]

I'll try and see

[native pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-roger-roger-roger-that-copy-that-robots-gif-5912820

[fallen cedar]

honestly I can probably supplement with extra white only bulbs and automate them to switch on when I need white light

if too dim

[native pilot]

yeah definitely

[fallen cedar]

it's just for my bedroom tho so should be ok

if my roommate wants to go half on more for the common areas we can see lol

[native pilot]

yeah, in a bedroom 99.9% of the time you're not going to want the max brightness

[fallen cedar]

only when cleaning

[native pilot]

yeah exactly

[fallen cedar]

but also I might be using it as a workspace too

idk if he's gonna want me to have my workbench in the common area lol

[glacial oracle]

U guys just all hate light

[native pilot]

but a headlamp is cheaper than 5 smartbulbs at cough,cough $75/bulb

[fallen cedar]

true

[glacial oracle]

I can't find bulbs to ever be bright enough

[fallen cedar]

or I can get a desk lamp

[fallen cedar]

have you tried halogens lol

[glacial oracle]

They don't do bright either

They do hot

[fallen cedar]

have you tried uhh

[glacial oracle]

The 500w ones they do bright but they also are kinda shortlived

[fallen cedar]

magnesium flare

[native pilot]

just get like 8 of these per room, should be good: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-10-000-Lumen-Twin-Head-LED-Work-Light-K40189/307904718

[glacial oracle]

Currently those with 10x 1600lm

It does ok

But yea there ain't such thing as too bright unless you need to wear sunglasses indoors

[minor heath]

@native pilot , yeah 8 of those with sunglasses and taning oil 😉

[slim lagoon]

So, people should stop teasing me about my 10 lights in my small office then? I agree.

[fallen cedar]

eh

too bright can ruin the vibe

and cause headaches

but that's why god made dimmers

[glacial oracle]

Yes

[native pilot]

inovelli if you know what's good

[fallen cedar]

sorry I don't speak italian

[native pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/gorlami-inglorious-basterds-brad-pitt-smile-throats-gif-17544755

[vagrant vigil]

Maybe this means linux will work on iPhones as well, which may mean we can possibly have HA on an iPhone? 🤔
This way our old phones will have a use. 🤷‍♂️ plus we will get all the iphone sensors into HA as well
https://youtube.com/shorts/moNg8k_ZmF8

[native pilot]

maybe
that word is doing a lot of heavy lifting

Pretty unlikely. Even if possible to run it, it would be far from ideal.

[terse pebble]

plus we will get all the iphone sensors into HA as well
I wouldn't place any bets on that

[vagrant vigil]

I dim my room lights to 4-7%, i hate direct lighting. I want to have indirect as sunlight in a room is.

[vagrant vigil]

But the rest is a possibility?

[terse pebble]

Just use the sun.sun entity as required

[glacial oracle]

You can always buy lamps with shade fixtures

[terse pebble]

Sure. But being hit by an asteroid killing all human beings is a possibility as well.

[vagrant vigil]

Entity? 😅
I was thinking of having LED strips all around the room pointed at the ceiling, but seams to be too expensive and would probably use more power.

[terse pebble]

Why using LEDs, if the sun is already integrated in HA?

[vagrant vigil]

Because it will make the moon jealous. 😜

[terse pebble]

Moon can be integrated as well

[outer knot]

Moon

Instructions on how to integrate the moon sensor into Home Assistant.

Quality scale

:house: Internal

IoT Class

Calculated

Integration type

service

Documentation

View the documentation

Source

View the source on GitHub

Issues

View known issues

[native pilot]

oh snap

[glacial oracle]

Largest issue with strips is that they aren't creating a lot of light per area

In the ol days you had the tube lights inside wall recessions which did kinda exactly that

[vagrant vigil]

Even all around the room pointed at the ceiling?
That was one of the main issues I had to do the project; I didn’t know how much light it would give.

[glacial oracle]

Yes it's not doing a whole lot

You can kinda just turn on a whole spool of it and see how much light that gives out

It's quite little for it being like 40w of power

[vagrant vigil]

Well, if 1 light bulb is like 60w and 1 strip of light is, what 1 wall? That makes 160w..? Not enough?

[terse pebble]

Placing the sun in the room directly is problematic as well - quite the opposite problem. Too much light per area

Wattage does not necessarily mean brightness

[vagrant vigil]

I thought of getting ones with high CRI as well and that really made things more expensive. 🤯

[glacial oracle]

It's about density

[terse pebble]

We had 100W bulbs for example in rooms in the pre-LED era. The rooms weren't brighter

[glacial oracle]

The strips aren't really designed to illuminate a room, they pretty much can't even from a thermal perspective

[vagrant vigil]

How many lumens is the sun at sunset within a room? 😅

If I can get that level of light in a room then it’s good enough

[glacial oracle]

Normal sunlight is about 120k lumens per m²

[vagrant vigil]

That leaves out a lot of info; in a room? and what time of day?

[glacial oracle]

At any time once it hits orbit

[vagrant vigil]

I don’t want direct sun light, just enough to light up the room.

[glacial oracle]

Read somewhere around noon

It's perceptual less if you want less light

It also depends on your room size as sources are very scoped in their direction

[vagrant vigil]

The cheap Tuya bulb I have gives around 450 lumens I think and thats enough for me to dim… so let’s start at that point.

Here is one that gives 800LM at 9W
https://a.co/d/aAyYnat

So LED strips around the room can’t equate to that..?

[terse pebble]

To a Tuya device?

[keen ingot]

So I picked up a couple Sonoff NSPanels since it seems like they might be the most capable "touchscreen with physical buttons and relays" available now. A lot of the tutorials and videos out there seem quite old at this point though and there seems to be so much conflicting information on Tasmota vs ESPHome. Any particular resources that people find are better than others?

I actually really like the form factor and functionality of the Wink Relays I've been using with MQTT, but the limitations of running Android 2.3 are just too great at this point.

[vagrant vigil]

Hey, at $5 Tuya is good enough. 😅

[terse pebble]

I can burn 5$ without buying e-waste

[glacial oracle]

not likely

i mean if you buy enough then probably but the amount of light vs the amount of electricity will be a quite large difference

[vagrant vigil]

So the best option is to make a mirror box with a lightbulbs and put it outside my window..? 😂

[glacial oracle]

you seem to be quite sensitive to light ^^, maybe that could be an option ;D

would look funny

[vagrant vigil]

Yes, I am; and I also turn off the backlight on my TV. The good side of it is thing is it extends the light of lightbulbs and TV. 🤷‍♂️

[glacial oracle]

saving on electricity ^^

[vagrant vigil]

Yup, that too

These seam real cheap, are they any good and work with HA?
https://a.co/d/04VyVny

[slim lagoon]

Maybe? Seems like you would have to setup modbus to get it to work.

[vagrant vigil]

Don’t even know what that is

[glacial oracle]

protocol time

for kinda everything

[vagrant vigil]

This one is 5 in 1
https://a.co/d/ayRyH6f
IR, RF, Motion, Temperature, Humidity Sensors

[vagrant vigil]

Don’t get it; it means some features like section detection won’t work? Or does it mean it is harder to integrate into HA..? 🤷‍♂️

[glacial oracle]

ha has an integration for modbus

but you have to do the configuration from there on

[slim lagoon]

And that configuration is a pain in the ass.

[glacial oracle]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/modbus/

well its at least non trivial for when you dont know modbus

[gloomy elbow]

Usually if you don't know what something is that a new piece of hardware will require, you have two choices:

• Learn about it, figure it out, and get excited whilst it arrives.
• Buy something else that does what you need without having to do all the extra work

[slim lagoon]

This is better: https://a.co/d/dWVjKlF

[gloomy elbow]

I have 2 broadlink minis, they're great.

[vagrant vigil]

How do you know it will require modbus?

[glacial oracle]

because its mentioned in the description

[slim lagoon]

Did you read the description in the link you sent?

[vagrant vigil]

Also in general, if a device says IFTTT compatible does it automatically mean it will also be compatible with HA?

[slim lagoon]

Supports Modbus TCP - An industry-standard protocol that lets advanced users effortlessly access real-time sensor data and control IR/RF directly from their systems.Integration with eHub in Home Assistant is seamless - no API or additional development needed!

No.

[glacial oracle]

IFTTT has kinda nothing to do with homeassistant

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, but I thought they both might use same methods to communicate with one another. 🤷‍♂️

[gloomy elbow]

No

[vagrant vigil]

And I’m sure if it is compatible with Alexa it also doesn’t mean it is compatible with HA right?

[glacial oracle]

no

[gloomy elbow]

It's compatible with HA if:

• There is an official integration
• There is a HACS integration
• There is an open API and you have the skills and knowledge to use it via REST

[slim lagoon]

[terse pebble]

[gloomy elbow]

Or, if you buy something #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived which is supported by the integration you're using.

The bonus of #zigbee-archived and #zwave-archived is those are 100% local too, no phoning home to whatever server wherever in the world sharing your data

[vagrant vigil]

Oh I wasn’t looking to buy an IR RF device, just thought it was interesting that it had all 5 sensors in 1 device.
If that’s how z-wave or Zigbee hubs were I would buy those types as it would double as a sensor, so having each one would also double as redundancy for the Hubs.

[gloomy elbow]

Most of my #zigbee-archived devices also have temperature sensors in

My curtain and blind motors do for sure.

As do my light sensors.

[slim lagoon]

I mean... most Zigbee and ZWave sensors do have multiple sensors in them already.

[vagrant vigil]

Would be easier if devices said directly on them “compatible with HA” like they do with IFTTT. Or if we could do a search on a website and check, and the website would tell us which way it is compatible if at all.

[gloomy elbow]

The HA website has a really handy page called "integrations" which lists if it's compatible with HA

And for #zigbee-archived https://zigbee.blakadder.com and https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/ are my go to sources.

[vagrant vigil]

Wait, are you saying all zigbee and zwave devices are compatible with HaA?

[gloomy elbow]

More or less, yes.

Some things, mostly Tuya ones, can be weird.

But nearly everything else will work. You can check on the pages I just linked to see if devices are there, but even if they're not listed they may still work.

[slim lagoon]

Pretty much... there's a few weird edge cases, but mostly every device is and if it can't be, it's pretty easy to write an extension or a quirk to support it.

I have just as many Zigbee devices as I do WiFi devices (109 and 112 respectively)

[glacial oracle]

the gift of having a useful protocol and rather standard implementations ^^

[gloomy elbow]

#zwave-archived is a lot stricter with the protocol so all of those devices should work, but they are also pricier.

[vagrant vigil]

I mean if the Hubs/gateways/adaptors, had sensors in them.

[gloomy elbow]

I have way more #zigbee-archived than WiFi 👀

[gloomy elbow]

But those won't be in good places to have the sensors.

My Zigbee stick is on my TV unit, behind the TV. So it gets fairly warm due to the ambient tech.

The little sensor next to my sofa however was <$10 and reports temperature, and humidity and the battery lasts for about 3 years

[slim lagoon]

Eh, my problem is that I went and decided I didn't want Zigbee lights anymore... 65 Wiz bulbs later... lol

[vagrant vigil]

Well, if it is a presence sensor or temp sensor their locations would be center to the room meaning close enough for other devices to pick up. And as we can have more than one in this case it would work as mesh creating redundancy for each hub/sensor we get.

[native pilot]

why would it be in the center of the room?

[gloomy elbow]

My presence sensor has a temperature sensor in it. It's also magnetised to my radiator because that was the best position for it.

[slim lagoon]

Zigbee is a mesh network already.

[gloomy elbow]

Nice and high in a corner where it can see my whole room

[vagrant vigil]

Closer to other sensors as it would be a hub too

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, but its not a zigbee hub…

[terse pebble]

Why are you so fixated on hubs?

[slim lagoon]

Again, Zigbee is already a mesh network. Doesn't need to be closer or in the center of a room.

[gloomy elbow]

Almost every powered #zigbee-archived device is a router.

You only need one coordinator.

[vagrant vigil]

Well, someone said it won’t be good place, so I said center of room. 🤷‍♂️

[gloomy elbow]

A light bulb is not a good place to have a temperature sensor

[native pilot]

yeah you said that

[gloomy elbow]

It's in the middle of my room, it's a great router, but it is not a good place to check how warm or cold it is

[vagrant vigil]

The idea is to have more than 1 for redundancy. So having a sensor on it as well would help with that.

[gloomy elbow]

You seem to be determined that you are correct about something, but I have no idea what.

[terse pebble]

There is no more than 1 coordinator/hub in Zigbee or ZWave

At least per network

[vagrant vigil]

lol; it’s not about being correct.
I’m just saying a hub similar to the one I had out with sensors on it, would be a good idea for zigbee type hubs as well and I would buy those type of sensors to get redundancy on hubs.

[terse pebble]

Multiple Zigbee-hubs means multiple Zigbee networks - meaning radio congestion

[gloomy elbow]

And causing havoc for problem solving.

Actually just causing problems that can't be solved probably

[native pilot]

changing the subject Is building zones around a ceiling fan the only method for tuning out a ceiling fan on the apollo MTR-1?

[vagrant vigil]

I saw a corner attachment for them that people can put on the ceiling; would probably solve the fan issue as well.

[native pilot]

I don't want the sensor pointed down, I need it to point across the room

[vagrant vigil]

So would you guys recommend this?
And it has section detection right?

Isn’t it a better option from Apollo MTR-1 or mmWave MSR-2?

And I just noticed it said it has ChatGPT on it for some reason. 😅

[gloomy elbow]

That looks and smells like Tuya, so I would run away from it, probably screaming loudly

And if they consider it having/using ChatGPT a feature, I'd definitely scream

[vagrant vigil]

It says it can be placed inside a cupboard and it still works..?
So this things doesn’t need a line of sign for them to work?

[native pilot]

not typically.

depending on what's between it and the space you want to monitor

[vagrant vigil]

The sensor uses the LinknLink app not Tuya

[gloomy elbow]

Sure, so do dozens of other products. But they can also pair straight into the Tuya/SmartLife app.

[vagrant vigil]

What does that mean?
It can tell me if someone is behind a wall and where they are standing?

[gloomy elbow]

There's no official HA integration and I've never heard of the company. It's also a wifi devices. The three of those combined are enough to put that firmly into the "nope" category for me.

[vagrant vigil]

So basically is a buy and find out type of thing?
As far as features go, what do the others have that this doesn’t?

[vagrant vigil]

But you said ModBud might work with it.

[gloomy elbow]

I never said Modbus worked with it

[vagrant vigil]

Someone mentioned it… 😅

[native pilot]

IF you put the radar behind a wall, it should be able to track/detect a person on the otherside of that wall. Some materials used in walls could impact the detection abilty.

[vagrant vigil]

So if it works with Modbus, and has the same features as the others; not a bad price for it.

Just the sensing behind walls thing that is kinda odd. Its like having xray and can allow you to spy on people.

[native pilot]

lol no

it is not like that

[gloomy elbow]

Oh wow, the Amazon pictures advertise that they store your data in their cloud for 3 years. That's very definitely a no from me.

[native pilot]

oh boy

[vagrant vigil]

Well, it has sections so it knows exactly where people are, and it works behind walls especially thin ones… 🤷‍♂️

[gloomy elbow]

So it's an mmWave sensor by another name

Buy the Aqara FP2 and move on 😉

[vagrant vigil]

Wait, what..? It uses mmWave sensor and mmWave is more expensive?

[vagrant vigil]

Around $40 isn’t it?

[gloomy elbow]

It's probably not that, it's just pretending to be

[native pilot]

Fp2 is like 70 usd

msr2 or mtr1 from apollo are like 33 usd

[gloomy elbow]

But I'd personally prefer to spend my money once on a product that won't keep my data to sell it, and will actually work.

[cold moon]

how are you guys still having this convo i just spent like 2 hours snaking a dryer vent and came back and still talk about junk instead of just buying some known good working stuff

[native pilot]

I think you know the answer to that

[cold moon]

like naro listen to people that know more lmao

[gloomy elbow]

The thing with buying cheap devices is you have to have all the time and knowledge to invest into them to get them working

Or buy something pricier than works out of the box, but it'll just keep working forever

[cold moon]

I wish there was a smart option for this

[native pilot]

omg

[gloomy elbow]

Leaf blower on the inside

[cold moon]

it was so bad

[native pilot]

that's REAL bad

[cold moon]

i tried it was stuck

[gloomy elbow]

Wow.

[cold moon]

like totally clogged

[gloomy elbow]

Though my tumble dryer literally backs onto the outside wall that it vents out of, and the hose is straight from the dryer to the wall.

So I'm lucky in that regard.

[cold moon]

i went from the inside out and got stuck and had to go outside and move inwards

multiple 90 degree bends and it goes inbetween story 1/2

literally worst case scenario i think

[cold moon]

ya apparently this giant snake route i have isnt common

also shame on me for not knowing to clean this

[native pilot]

Well good on you for learning

cause 🔥

[cold moon]

the new dryer sensed it and stopped itself and yelled at me

[gloomy elbow]

I have to say, one habit I do manage consistently is cleaning the dryer filter every time I use the dryer, and I stuck a long bottle brush onto the cupboard door and use that to get any bits that fall off the filter which seriously cuts down on things that might clog.

[cold moon]

yeah this kit came with a long brush for that

i will be doing that for sure

[gloomy elbow]

I just have an IKEA bottle brush 😂

But my dryer is ... nearly 15? And used 1-2 times a week 😂

[cold moon]

this is as cheap and chinese as you get but decent enough to work

[vagrant vigil]

Maybe have a blower turn on every tike the dryer turns on? 😅

[terse pebble]

Preferrably a Tuya blower

[vagrant vigil]

Yup, it will store your blowing data. 😅

[cold moon]

the docs on dryer says not to use an exhaust fan with it

[vagrant vigil]

Probably because it will get stuck on the fan. But with a Y connector and a blower it may help keep it clean. 🤷‍♂️

[cold moon]

it's just a house maintenance task that we're supposed to do yearly

[vagrant vigil]

Not if it is a smart home, right? 😂

[gloomy elbow]

Yearly? 👀
My parents clean their dryer out weekly 😂

[cold moon]

the exhaust vent going outside

[terse pebble]

I rarely clean my dryer

[gloomy elbow]

My parents don't have an outside vent, it's a condenser dryer. So they clean the element in the bottom where extra fluff that makes it through the filter collects.

[cold moon]

yeah i saw those but they're still a premium product

$1200 or more i think

[gloomy elbow]

Over here they're about as common as vented dryers I think

[gloomy spoke]

how do you plug that thing in?

[gloomy elbow]

You can get heated drying racks 😂

[gloomy spoke]

I assume it dries clothes by running electricity through them?

[gloomy elbow]

I had one at uni, it was very low wattage, like an electric blanket.

[vagrant vigil]

The Sun integration doesn’t have that feature yet? 😅

[terse pebble]

It is wireless

[gloomy spoke]

harvests free energy from the ambient radio waves

have to turn up the power on your nearby APs

[mint gulch]

Tahda! I is here! Lol

So unsure if the same person is here but I'm looking to do a couple of jobs in my home with some smart equipment.

Firstly replace my motion sensor for something more stable as it's very weak and was looking at presence sensor

The next one is camera related and I don't think here is the right channel but them in cameras ain't helped yet lol

[vagrant vigil]

Well, this ons is cheap but everyone is hating on it. 😅
https://a.co/d/04VyVny

They like Apollo MTR-1 or mmWave MSR-2 instead

[mint gulch]

I see, let me add that I currently have a zigbee bridge and aiming to add some more to it with out cross branding much if possible lol

[vagrant vigil]

They work with WiFi

[mint gulch]

OK now your talking!

[vagrant vigil]

But they all hatting on WiFi as well. 😂

[cold moon]

yeah man dont buy that linknlink thing that is some random chinese junk

wifi is necessary for mmwave due to the amount of traffic

[vagrant vigil]

But those work behind walls so you can spy on your neighbors and see what room they are in with it based on the sectors it detects.

[mint gulch]

Well give me a few suggestions I'm. Not super flush but I can spend a little of good kit if it does the job and will last a while

[vagrant vigil]

Guess thieves can use it to see if someone is home before they enter. 😬🫣

[cold moon]

https://apolloautomation.com/products/msr-2 i work for them part time so i'm biased 🙂

[vagrant vigil]

What does part time mean? Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t?

[mint gulch]

Part time hours. Meaning his working hours

Most likely UK based like me lol

[vagrant vigil]

lol

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/ghF3gi0FY84.gif

[mint gulch]

So what's the big selling point of this compared to some other brand?

Each brand her a selling point so what would u say this one is?

[vagrant vigil]

Price and local use.

[cold moon]

depends on your use case but for a lot of people it does exactly what they want (small package, mmwave with zones (far/medium/close)

[vagrant vigil]

Feels like I’m taking a test. 😂

[gloomy elbow]

Local controls is always a huge bonus

[cold moon]

they're open source (minus the pcb itself) it's basically a tiny esp32-c3-mini in a 3d printed case with a ld2410b mmwave sensor running esphome firmware

[mint gulch]

Of you can tell is a 3d printed case.

[cold moon]

they'll be injection molded eventually but no timeline yet

[mint gulch]

Wrong tag but meh lol

[cold moon]

the only other "competitor" really is these guys https://shop.everythingsmart.io/en-us/products/everything-presence-lite if you want to wait til august but frankly the features arent really one to one just using the same mmwave sensor

[vagrant vigil]

There are some corner attachments for them on Etsy

[mint gulch]

Injection mold would be better. So for the price and local use does this do like others and use a grid system or just distance based?

[cold moon]

look at the mtr-1 instead

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/mtr-1-ImK/page/mtr-1-corner-mount-stl-by-user-crookedtoe there's a corner mount a user designed for us last week

[vagrant vigil]

With that cable they sell with it, seams like the device would be cheaper.

[mint gulch]

Ahh, I could print the stl my self if it's in there lol

[cold moon]

well the msr-2/mtr-1/air-1 also has the ability to add a SCD40 CO2 sensor (plus temp/humidity added with this)

and an extra mezzanine connector for a gpio addon which can add any sort of sensor or led strip or w/e

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/general/page/how-to-use-the-apollo-gpio-header-to-control-an-led-strip i wrote this guide for it

[mint gulch]

So I'm guessing this is just a modular base? And you can add. More features if u want? Don't... Stahpp lol

[vagrant vigil]

CO2 sensor with these?
Doesn’t CO2 gather on the floor while people can put these on the ceiling?

[cold moon]

they should be like 1.5/2meters high but ceiling is an option too

and yes if you shoot yourself in the foot you'll bleed

lol

probably best to put something measuring air quality in a spot not considered an air dead zone

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/msr-2/page/general-tips

these docs can be used for any ld2410 / ld2450 mmwave sensor really most of it is yaml editing and stuff

like you could diy it if you wanted and still use the same yaml for the most part

[vagrant vigil]

That’s my point, these should go to room corners therefore air dead zones, so bad for CO2 sensors.

[cold moon]

ok then dont add a co2 sensor on it for your use case

lots of other people dont put them in corners of rooms

this mounting option or this is what a lot of people like

[native pilot]

Hey Naro I have a question for you. Do you actually intend on buying any presence sensors at all?

[vagrant vigil]

Do the sectors on them work like pixels? So the further they are the more the sector has to cover but the closer the more sectors you get in small area?

[vagrant vigil]

If the price is right and it is a good one then yes.

[cold moon]

impressive right?

[vagrant vigil]

At the moment I got 2 motion sensors for 1 room just to turn on lights.

[native pilot]

Ok. What information do you need to make a decision? We've talked about technologies, price points, features for hours at this point.

[cold moon]

a lot of people combine motion sensor and mmwave

[native pilot]

Don't worry, we discusssed that too

[cold moon]

ah

[gloomy elbow]

I think the only thing we haven't covered is The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. And fortunately for us, Douglas Adams handled that

[mint gulch]

Always like the idea of something adjustable

Multi use means never useless

[vagrant vigil]

Combine them for what? Isn’t presence sensor enough for a room?

[mint gulch]

Yeah I'd defo want that plus a light sensor would be cool!

Kinda what I seen with zigbee but want something a lil quicker at sponce times.

Response *

[vagrant vigil]

Oh, they use motion for faster response and presence for keeping light on? 🤔

[cold moon]

did you never click the link? it has a lux sensor built in man

[patent river]

Too many people wrongly assume that "end" means in distance - at the outer edge of the universe - when it actually means in time though.
Frankly the time this conversation has taken we're just about there though. Time to go back and watch the Disaster Area concert

[cold moon]

or you could watch the 2007 film transformers directed by michael bay

[native pilot]

it's not a requirement to have pir and mmwave. The apollo units and the fp2 are fast enough that pir is not needed.

[cold moon]

it's more a "this is what people started doing" thing but that was 1-2 years ago

mmwave has caught up since then

but it still cant hurt

like if i added mmwave into my bathroom i'd literally still have pir trigger too unless i needed to tune out like my cat that sleeps on the floor (then i'd use mmwave and pir would still trigger so it would be a hindrance)

[vagrant vigil]

What’s the difference between MTR-1 and MSR-2?
Is one the newer version of the other or they are different things? 🤔

[cold moon]

no

ld2410 vs ld2450

[native pilot]

we covered this too

[cold moon]

far/middle/near zones vs zones 1/2/3

are we being trolled?

or teaching ai?

[vagrant vigil]

When? I thought it was a newer version this whole time.

[cold moon]

that's msr-1 vs msr-2 but that was just a slight modification they both use ld2410 mmwave sensor

[native pilot]

sometime in the last decade of time we've spent talking about this today

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, that’s what got me confused, hadn’t noticed that MTR is a different thing.

[cold moon]

msr-2 = 1 target at short/medium/long distance with full configuration of that

mtr-1 = aqara fp2 feature set like tracking 3 users in 3 zones

[vagrant vigil]

So it is like horizontal vs vertical zones?

[native pilot]

the MSR 2 has 3 zones but the zones are arcs at short/med/long distances from the sensor. The MTR is a gridded system that you can set square zones

[cold moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VrTfaFyMPk watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Gq62Edsnc& maybe this too

[vagrant vigil]

They both say MSR-1 on them, is there a video on MTR-1?
I like them videos, best way to learn. 👍

[cold moon]

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/books/mtr-1-ImK

[vagrant vigil]

No video? 😢

[cold moon]

i tried to make you work for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w_GFURyx-A

[vagrant vigil]

Oh so with MTR you get to select exact locations like a specific spot in a room but the MSR is more general range based detection. 👍

[cold moon]

also mtr-1 can have false hits - it's not that the sensor doesnt work but it can have issues in some environments

the msr-2 tuning is pretty much perfect

[vagrant vigil]

So we should wait for the MTR-2? 🤷‍♂️
Why would it get false hits if nothing is moving in the zone?

[cold moon]

no

it's the ld2450 inside the sensor

the mtr-1 just.. uses it

anyways im gonna go do other stuff

good luck man

[vagrant vigil]

Well, if it is going to turn on light, it might turn on a light when there is no one in the room.
Guess we need to add a timer with it.

And response time is the same with both?

[native pilot]

Naro we’ve told you all we can.

Good luck.

[mint gulch]

To be fair fair catching up I've learned a lot lol.

The question is... Which is best for my use case! Time to plan it out.

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/bDpWE.gif

[mint gulch]

True, which is the annoying part lol

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, apparently there is also Aqara FP2; but it is more expensive
Here is a nice video about it.
https://youtu.be/TCan49iY6EU

[mint gulch]

Seen it earlier it's around 83gbp seems kinda powerful but expensive for the two areas I'd need it in lol

[vagrant vigil]

Wondering if their response time differ from each other compared to motion detection.

[mint gulch]

For lights I'd find this kinda overkill

[vagrant vigil]

Well, I got the Shelly motion 2 for lights, but that is overkill so probably sell it and use one of these.
I don’t really need lumen detection on it or vibration detection.

[mint gulch]

I'd love either lumin with presence for my hall for the lights. And presence + motion for the lighting in the main room. As motion with a grid sensor should rule out if there is a false positive

[vagrant vigil]

Why you need lumens?
Just wondering, also if you add timer you won’t need motion, unless you got an extra sensor laying around.

[mint gulch]

Lumine means a factor of dimness. And not just looking for when sunset starts in ha.

Motion would mean quicker response time on check the delay as they can stack or bug. 2 checks can be done in 2 seconds not 10 with delays

For example check the grid finds something. Triggers ha, which checks for motion, finds it and knows it's a position and not an error. There is already a delay in most devices of around 5 seconds

So a double check would be 10 or more.

The duel sensor would make it around 8+ seconds faster

[vagrant vigil]

Well, if all it is going to do is dim, you can use this instead of a lumen detector. Also changes tone from cold white to warm white.
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/circadian-lighting-custom-component/61246

[mint gulch]

The motion and presence if not for dim. That's security.

The lumine and presence is for light triggers

[vagrant vigil]

Ya, you can use the Circadian thing instead of Lumens so it knows when to dim and how much.

It takes how long for Presence to detect a person waling into a room?

It’s not instant like with motion?

[vagrant vigil]

You can make the motion trigger and presence to keep the light on. Rather than having presence to trigger it, which means false positives won’t even exist within automations so it doesn’t need to trigger the motion sensor check.

[mint gulch]

Think it's slower as it's a pulsed radar where motion at certain range is instant

[vagrant vigil]

But how much slower?
It would be nice to get response time ranges for these sensors so we know which to get for what reason. 🤔

Do you know a good cheap motion sensor working with WiFi?

[mint gulch]

I think you're missive my concepts as there is two use cases for them.

[mint gulch]

I'm currently using a sonoff motion sensor which is kinda weak

[vagrant vigil]

Still don’t get why the motion won’t be first priority to trigger in any automation and have the presence follow up.

Is your sonoff wifi?

[drowsy barn]

Not sure where to ask, but I'm Curious on HVAC thermostat integrations.

Have forced air dual fuel (HE (NG) furnace and electric heat pum)
Heat pump is used all year, AC=summer and with electric rate it's cheaper than NG for most of winter.

Question is do I go the Ecobee route (I would also be able to tap into my utility's peak rewards program) or do I omit the option for peak rewards and just go zwave with the Honeywell T6 (or similar)?

[vagrant vigil]

@mint gulch Apparently the FP2 can also detect heartbeat… 🤯
But it is pricy so mostly good for large rooms.

AI just said this about mmWave technology:

• Eye safety: Because the eyes have less blood flow to dissipate heat, they are considered more sensitive to mmWave radiation than other parts of the body. However, as long as exposure levels remain within the established guidelines, the risk of eye damage is minimal.
• Long-term effects: While there is no conclusive evidence of long-term health effects from exposure to mmWave radiation, research is ongoing. Some studies have suggested potential effects on the nervous system and brain activity, but these findings are not definitive and require further investigation.
  🤷‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/microwave-soobtime-soobin-txt-funny-gif-19165478

[red olive]

Amazon Fire HD 10 (2023) or Samsung Galaxy A9+?

[native magnet]

I agree - however, we know the Alexa division is losing money, and imagine if they made Amazon Echo devices to be open-sourced and integratable with Home Assistant and other platforms. Their hardware sales would go up and they could price the hardware higher than they do. Make money, be open source friendly at the same time.

I have a Carbine 3-in-1 lock, and about to replace it. Any suggestions on one that will work privately locally with HA?

[minor lichen]

Hey guys im in australia and have a bunch of dumb downlights. Is it possible to replace the switches to make dumb lights smart?

[vagrant vigil]

Anyone here has added a firestick to HA?
It days “IP address of the ADB server”; what is that for exactly? 🤔

[native magnet]

Android Debug Bridge (ADB). You have to enable debugging on the firestick (find it in settings). Once you have that, ensure your firestick gets a static IP from your router. I've found it a challenge to get the firesticks to work successfully with HA and gave up. I'd be keen to see if anyone has been successful.

[vagrant vigil]

I’ve done the firestick settings part, and dedicated a static IP on router’s end.
But not sure how to do the settings part of it yet.
For Host I’m guessing I out the FireStick IP,
next it set to auto, next port is set to 555 by default(not sure if I need to change that),
Path to your ADB key file, says “leave empty to auto generate” so I guess it takes care of it for me
Next it says, “IP address of the ADB server”; what is that for exactly I have no idea.
Next port says 5037 by default(not sure if I need to change that).

@native magnet And another thing I’m trying to do is to add casting to my firestick; I got it to work by installing youtube. But I got other apps as well so not sure if it will work from nonYoutube sources.

[oak scarab]

MTR-1 should arrive tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

Imma be so disappointed if it sucks

[fallen cedar]

what do you guys use for lightswitches for smart bulbs

[native pilot]

Inovelli for zigbee zooz for zwave

Both have a smart bulb mode I believe

[fallen cedar]

kinda expenny

[vagrant vigil]

Got it integrated, although not getting anything special from it.
Basically same controls I get from TV controls…

Found out I can do push notifications to it, so I’ll try that next.

If anyone knows how I can get more controls out it, it would be nice.

[vagrant vigil]

Got sidetracked, found out we can launch apps on the firestick from HA..? 🤔
Found the app ID names, now to figure out how to launch them. 🤷‍♂️

[native magnet]

I see. There is not much you can do with it. Mine are connected via the Alexia Media Integration.

[covert verge]

Hey there, I installed the Shelly 2PM for my Venetian blinds. I have seen multiple posts in the forum about workaround in order to control the tilt of the slats, but in the settings I see an option for tilt. The only issue is that the settings do not persist. Does this mean that the feature is still not available or am I missing something?

[vagrant vigil]

Well, there should be a lot that you can do with it if you set it up right, unless firestick firmware updates have changed it to block such things.

You should be able to launch apps from within HA, send notifications to it from HA(camera footage, or general text), or perhaps navigate to a specific location from a click of a button…

The casting to the firestick didn’t work for me, and I’m still trying to get the other stuff to work. See if you have better luck with it.

[acoustic dagger]

Zigbee radio with multiprotocol firmware detected

yellow_ncp-uart-hw_7.4.2.0.gbl is installed
multiprotocol support is disabled

all zigbee devices are unavailable

What can I do?

I dont get

[weary igloo]

Hey,

I have issues disabling the multiprotocol support..

I already tryed updating the firmware of the stick, disabling ZHA and Zigbee on Homeassistant before and restarted the system multiple times.

Any more ideas?

[cold moon]

jump to #zigbee-archived

[drowsy scroll]

Beelink eq13 with coral b+m

[cold moon]

remind me is that the n200

[drowsy scroll]

It's not the n200, n200 is optional

I moved the silicone pad that was there and replaced with a super thin heat sink pad

proofs:

I believe the n200 is 50 usd more than the n100 in the beelink eq13

Considering must thought the n100 was overkill I didn't go for the n200. But there's space for 2 coral tpu if needed

I probably should have bought two, oh well

[vagrant vigil]

Does anyone understand why this isn’t working?
Trying to launch the Youtube app from HA on my FireStick.

service: media_player.select_source
data:
source: com.amazon.firetv.youtube
target:
device_id: FireStickMax

@native magnet Would you know?

[lethal valley]

Hi, I have HA on RPi4 (installed on external SSD), powered over PoE hat from switch...

But sometimes it happens that HA "stuck/falls" - I can't even ping the IP, when I connect to the HDMI output, I can't see nothing. A restart is always required.

Is there any way to find out what happened?

Thanks a lot

[drowsy scroll]

If I had to guess, id say it's a power issue. These sbcs have very strict power requirements. I wouldn't even try running an rpi off poe

[vagrant vigil]

And the firestick integration works how..? 🤔

[drowsy scroll]

I know plenty about rpi, but I'm an HA noob, no idea

[jagged crypt]

looking at picking some of these up - https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-smart-water-valve/ - anyone ballpark shipping time from itead.cc to california?

[humble parcel]

Does anybody has a suggestion for good outdoor motion sensors?

[cold moon]

Tag me when there’s a water leak pls

[slim lagoon]

Zigbee? Zwave? WiFi? Hue has one, but it kinda sucks. Govee has one as well, but I don’t know of anyone actually having one.

[humble parcel]

Zigbee or WiFi would be awesome 🙂 looking for a solution to turn the sensors off in case we are doing a fire in our garden… so the lights don’t go on everytime someone moves … also thought about switching the lights with a Shelly but I don’t have much space in the case of the outdoor lights

[slim lagoon]

You could try the Hue, but they’re pricy and I’ve not heard good things about them. I use some indoor sensors outside that work well, but they are protected from the weather under my eaves or other things.

[humble parcel]

Hmm ok thank you, maybe I need to overthink the solution a bit and try to get a case for the Shelly so I can turn off the lights

[slim lagoon]

That would probably work better. Or, go with the Aqara relay. They are TINY. Or outdoor smart bulbs perhaps?

[humble parcel]

We just bought some outdoor lights 1,5years ago, my wife would kill me if I tell her to replace them again 😅

[slim lagoon]

I use outdoor Wiz bulbs and they work really well. Been outside in some nasty conditions for 2-3 years now.

lol yeah, fair.

[humble parcel]

The Shelly 1mini is also really tiny, but it’s to big for the light case

[slim lagoon]

Hmmmm… what about running a relay further up the wiring? So, not in the gang box directly, but possibly somewhere else along the circuit?

[humble parcel]

Don’t know exactly where the wires are coming from, no plan or something like this and we bought the house

[slim lagoon]

Ugh. Yeah, that looks like it’d be a pain to trace the wiring for.

[humble parcel]

Yeah but I need to switch them, so I need to find a solution 🙂

[slim lagoon]

They look like the bulbs are built in, right? Is it a single switch to control them?

[humble parcel]

There are LEDs inside.
It’s a single switch to turn all of them on or let they get controlled by the motion sensors… so I can’t really control them down in the electrical room… I think they are all connected one after another to a single string

[slim lagoon]

Since it’s a single switch, why not just go with a smart switch?

[humble parcel]

Because the switch can’t turn them off… it’s 1: lights on 2: lights off but controlled by motion sensors

[slim lagoon]

Ahhhhhh, gotcha. Yeah, that kinda sucks. 😦

[cold moon]

ya man you'll have to redo your logic in home assistant for full control

[humble parcel]

It’s not in Home Assistant … this part of the house is fully analog

[jagged crypt]

My sonoff temp stuff all works solidly. The tech on these things is pretty simple. I assume you are referring to the company, vs anything beyond that.

[hollow gorge]

I've got a pedestal fan, and I'd like to be able to turn it on and off and change its speed remotely. The original switch connected 240 VAC to one of three outputs to pick one of three speeds, and disconnected everything when the fan was off. This feels like something I should be able to do with a cheap board that an ESP-01s plugs into. I know I could do it with one of the ones that's got four relays and a linear regulator so it can be powered from 5-12V, but:

• ideally I'd like to have it powered by the 240 VAC (I guess I could use a separate board for that, though)
• those boards don't have inputs for a physical switch to control it without going through Home Assistant, and I'd like to keep a physical switch.
• I'd be happier if there was a physical interlock so only one output could be connected at once, e.g. with a four-throw changeover relay if such a thing exists.
• I don't have a clue if this is practical, but it would be nice if the physical switch would move or otherwise indicate its current state - I'd rather not have LEDs because I use the fan when I'm trying to sleep and want it to be dark.

For some of these things, I'm not getting anything helpful when trying to google solutions, so even if no one knows anything about something that I can buy that does what I want, I'd still appreciate some tips with more appropriate search terms.

[glacial oracle]

this sounds like youd be up for something that will exceed the cost of the fan significantly

[fallen cedar]

the hue lights are a lil dim

I only have 2 up rn tho

[vagrant vigil]

I would have thought more people would have a FireStick 🤔

[fallen cedar]

firestick sux imo

too many ads

[tired bridge]

The best way to keep a Fire Tablet's battery fresh is to use a smart plug, start charging at 20% and stop charging at 80% right? or is there a built in feature like on samsung phones that stops charging at 80%, and doesn't require a plug?

[fallen cedar]

not worth microoptimizing battery lifespan imo

[tired bridge]

the tablet is a dashboard. it will be always plugged in

[fallen cedar]

so it matters even less

lol

[tired bridge]

idc about the battery as long as i dont have to replace it/it blows up

[fallen cedar]

it wont blow up lol

[tired bridge]

i paid 25 eur for the tab, don't wanna pay 30 eur for a battery in 1.5 years

[tired bridge]

doesn't the constant charge/discharge affect it?

almost all videos i watched about dashboards used this plug thing
if its not required even better, as i don't feel like buying another smart plug

[fallen cedar]

let the bms do it's job

imo

think about all the restaurants that use ipads as registers

[tired bridge]

is the one on the 2019 fire 10 tablet reliable ?

[fallen cedar]

nothing on a fire tablet is reliable lolol

but honestly it's fine

[tired bridge]

thanks
you just saved me half the price of the tablet i would have spend on a plug :D

[fallen cedar]

np

[restive peak]

Hey friends! The old PC I bought for my home server/home Assistant setup has an Nvidia NVS 300. Should I bother trying to set it up or just stick with the integrated graphics? I read online that this card has a bunch of security vulns that aren't patched. Is this true?

[jagged crypt]

you did read it on the internet 🙂

there's a lot of missing variables in your statement, so can't really help. (What's the PC you are running, are you running HAOS or something else, do you mean the drivers for the video card, and if so, what OS, etc)
My policy on running hardware for HA is keep it simple. Do you need the NVS300 for anything, no, remove it from the equation.

And a tiny bit of google - https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4213

[gloomy spire]

Does anyone here use Wattbox PDUs as controllable power distribution? I was attracted to the form factor, the local HA (hacs) integration, and the on-device monitoring, but I bought a used on on EBay and it arrived half broken. It’s a bad capacitor, and apparently a known issue with the 700-line. I don’t really feel like re-capping the whole thing so I’m going to return it.

But now I’m torn about replacing it with another used Wattbox. I’m turned off by their “AV-integrator only” sales and support, and I’m afraid of putting all my critical networking gear behind another single point of failure.

Curious if anyone has experience with Wattbox or has an alternative. I could get one of the TPlink power strips I guess, but I was hoping for something more robust and preferably Ethernet, not WiFi.

[drowsy scroll]

get any used electronics, better be ok with re-capping. It's a way of life...

[vagrant vigil]

Not if we can get launch to work, that way we can click a button in HA and have a specific app launch without ever seeing any ADs.

So what am I doing wrong here?
service: media_player.select_source
data:
source: com.amazon.firetv.youtube
target:
device_id: FireStickMax

[hollow gorge]

It's been mostly duct tape, cardboard, and a couple of 3D printed parts for a long time, so that was always going to be the case even just with an ESP-01s.

[fallen cedar]

Last time I used the fire stick they patched over being able to bind custom launchers

So I got rid of it

Idk if there are any workarounds yet

[vagrant vigil]

I need a custom launcher for that?
I thought all it takes was to turn ADB within the FireStick and it allows to send commands to the firestick.

[fallen cedar]

You need a custom launcher for it to boot into the app you want when you hit home

[vagrant vigil]

I don’t want to hit home; I want to click on an icon within HA and have it launch the app within FireStick.

Is the code I put wrong?

[oak scarab]

Sometimes I wonder if drugs would’ve been a cheaper addiction

Those are not my pink clothes btw..

[slim lagoon]

That's what someone with pink clothes would say 😉

[oak scarab]

I’m more of a purple guy

[vagrant vigil]

Just found this
https://youtu.be/18QapR913Kk
And this
https://youtu.be/gDnoCixOj8k
But they’re like 3 years old….

[fallen cedar]

What code

[vagrant vigil]

This code/script or whatever it’s called.

service: media_player.select_source
data:
source: com.amazon.firetv.youtube
target:
device_id: FireStickMax

[chilly flint]

Anyone have an HDMI switch configured through broadlink RM4? Would you share the codes you're using please?

[thin whale]

I got some Aoycocr SW1 that were flashed with Tasmota- Is it possible to get the ip's and connect them or do I need to go throught a complete reflash and setup?

[oak scarab]

I can’t find a place to put the MTR1 where it detects me everywhere :/

[vagrant vigil]

This says Jun 22 so it is relatively recent. Can you help me figure it out using this?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/launch-amazon-prime-app-on-firestick/433165/3

[keen marsh]

I have a computer with no OS installed, how can i install homeassistant on it? can i install just haos directly instead of going through linux or windows (this computer wouldn't even let me change to 2 cpus on virtualbox)

[patent river]

If you want bare metal installation: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64/
If the machine has plenty of CPU/RAM/Storage and you might want to use it for other VMs, you might want to try Proxmox: https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/10/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide-2.html

[keen marsh]

thanks so much!

[patent river]

Virtualbox is... fine... but it's not the most reliable virtualisation for things you want running 24/7

[native pilot]

Basically everyone says to use proxmox now

[patent river]

Proxmox is just a customised Debian Linux distribution with a nice GUI, but it makes things really easy

[keen marsh]

okay, ill check it out. thanks!

[vagrant vigil]

This works: (for Prime Video)
service: androidtv.adb_command
data:
command: >-
am start
com.amazon.firebat/com.amazon.firebat.deeplink.DeepLinkRoutingActivity
target:
entity_id: media_player.fire_tv

How can I modify it to have this instead? (for youtube)
com.amazon.firetv.youtube

[keen marsh]

I just used Balena Etcher and it corrupted the flash drive. i reallocated it and its fine now but idk what happened. ill try again

[raw scaffold]

Has anyone here used a SLZB-06 with Unifi as their networking? Were you able to get an IP address on the device using ethernet? I am having a lot of difficulty

[keen marsh]

Getting this error in home assistant, not sure if there is a bot that reads the logs and spits out an answer but ill send my logs

exec /init: exec format error

[jagged crypt]

I scored all my wiz lights via ebay and local discounts. Got recessed 5/6 colored lights for about $8/each. The ebay ones were "non-matter capable", the local store with white-ambience ones are. Just generational, all are hooked up on the direct wiz/wifi control in HA.

[jagged crypt]

The other bit, is the hypervisor is KVM/QEMU, more open source.

[vagrant vigil]

Ok, youtube worked with this:
service: androidtv.adb_command
data:
command: >-
am start com.amazon.firetv.youtube
target:
entity_id: media_player.fire_tv

but another app isn’t working. 🤔

[vagrant vigil]

Perhaps this can help if anyone understands it..?
https://setup.buttonmapper.app

[vagrant vigil]

If I gain access to the FireStick’s terminal, would that help..?
Anyone..? 🤷‍♂️

[wind vale]

Sonoff ZBMINI to control "a" light (up to 4x60W LEDs in a garage) whilst still letting the normal switch work? Are they any good? Specifically looking at the 230V that would be sold in Sweden.

Many thanks!

EDIT: requiring a neutral is no problem, every lightswitch also has a power socket next to it, so it already has a neutral.

[slim lagoon]

The ZBMINI would be fine for that. Shelly would be my first choice, but for Zigbee, the ZBMINI is ok.

[wind vale]

I also have wifi, but have a large zigbee network with a zzh!.

Would you go away from zigbee? Why would you choose Shelly over Sonoff? I only looked away from Shelly as some of the relays from them had caught fire, I kind of "blacklisted" them in my head.

Thanks for the reply

[slim lagoon]

I remember that, but tbh, they've gotten a lot better in terms of quality. The reason I would choose Shelly over Sonoff is because WiFi is usually more stable than Zigbee. Granted, I have about the same number of devices on both (>100 Wifi, >100 Zigbee). But the Shelly also offers MQTT support and targeted control over HTTP. Sonoffs aren't bad, per se. But I've seen issues with them in metal gang boxes (which I have here).

If you're using Z2M, then you already have the MQTT part, but ZHA, not so much. If you're looking for just basic control, go Sonoff on your Zigbee mesh. If you want more advanced control (on board schedules and such), go with a Shelly.

[steep hinge]

question, this morning im not able to connect to my HA.local or by my ip address. Im able to connecet via nabu casa tho?

[tepid heart]

Not really a hardware question. Try #general-archived

[steep hinge]

sorry

[fallen cedar]

What do you guys use for diffusing led strips

[keen marsh]

i cant believe you would ever post a question in the wrong channel. do you even understand what this means? how dare you.

[keen marsh]

YOU TOO ^

[fallen cedar]

Led strips are hardware

Diffusers are hardware

[keen marsh]

but there is defusing tape

[fallen cedar]

When I look up led strip diffusing tape all I see is aluminium profile with plexiglass insert

[keen marsh]

if you have a sandblaster or just literal sandpaper that would work

sand blasters look better tho

[winged knoll]

There's diffuser strips, not tape

Diffusing takes space

Silicon is one option

[keen marsh]

diffuser tape is sold at bestbuy

in a roll

[winged knoll]

You can also buy "audiophile" network cables there

[keen marsh]

yes\

yes you can

[flint totem]

Any chance you could reshare this code? I lost my ESPHome install, and liked you version a lot.

[cold moon]

i have even better now

[rancid dune]

Hi all

I could use some guidance on protocols and how to sort which is appropriate for my use case.

Zigbee, matter, wifi, zwave, etc.... Searching about all of them puts me in a redundant definition about "allowing smart devices to communicate" but that doesn't really help narrow anything down.

I have some smart plugs and motion sensors going through Tuya right now and I'm not satisfied with the delay those devices have. Whether it's due to Tuya cloud or power savings on those devices I don't know, but as I feel out and explore what I can do with HA... this is something I want to avoid

The jist of what I want, in order of importance to me:

• Low latency
• Local only
• No ongoing subscriptions to services (one time hardware purchases are fine)
• All data connectivity will be wireless, wi-fi or otherwise. And all power will be hard-wired (I don't care to fiddle with batteries)

So with that said, is there a significant advantage of one or the other? Again, this is coming about because I'm dissatisfied with latency of some of my current devices and I want to get that sorted. And my google-fu on protocols isn't giving any helpful info

[cold moon]

https://dpaste.org/0cWei

[flint totem]

Thanks so much!

[cold moon]

        - throttle_average: 60s
``` before it wasnt using this

and therefore was spamming wifi talking constantly about shit that didnt need constant updates

when i was showing bdraco error logs for a beta test he noticed over 6000 calls a minute from esphome from my sonoff plugs spamming lol

not-ideal-dot-jiff

[fallen cedar]

I'm on and off about whether I like these hue bulbs or not

I wish they were just a liiitle bit brighter

the color is nice but like it's a bit dim

maybe supplementing with strips will help

also need another lamp for the third bulb

[cold moon]

did you buy 1600lumen bulbs?

[fallen cedar]

nah