hardware-archived

[native bloom]

So i guess that rules that out?

[cold moon]

oh ya

[native bloom]

Oh well i think it's time to replace this machine anyway

Been chugging along for almost 10 years

[jagged crypt]

it also sets the time correctly based on the cmos battery in the screen shot

[cold moon]

i didnt actually look at it tbh

[jagged crypt]

I've had can't find root device on kernel not loading drivers properly, or remapped drives. The drives are working and you booted. If you boot drive is physically the same as your root drive, you have some other minor issue.

[trim imp]

Not sure we're to put this. I got a ring keypad v2. I am trying to pair it with smartthings as that is where I bring all zwave and zigbee devices into (haveny gotten aroundto get the dongles for homeassistant yet) but I can't get it to pair just keeps saying get device ready, device not discoverable. If this is the wrong channel please point me to the correct one. Thank you.

[cold moon]

there's no support for smartthings here it's only home assistant related stuff

i'd suggest moving to zwave js ui inside home assistant

[trim imp]

Ok thank you

[jagged crypt]

ug, home assistant upgrade broke vertical layout-card "break" options. Went to post on frontends about it to see if it was chrome or HA, finally found the github and looks like issue already filed.....

[merry robin]

Anyone use this as a HA display?

https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Indicator-D1-p-5643.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwvIWzBhAlEiwAHHWgvT7-vrir7Dmxs7m7w3ZlZ4md2lzbtGHGJT1wQbrcKqP6nnaVZ3kTBxoCD8sQAvD_BwE

I'm looking for a little display to mostly just show clock and weather and maybe some smart home summary stuff. Don't plan to interact with it a whole lot.

[cold moon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/s3_box_voice_assistant/ this ?

[merry robin]

Hmm yes that does seem right. Didn't even think of the voice assistant aspect. Trying to get rid of alexa (and 1 google for some reason) but hadn't really looked into HA voice yet.

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/bZ799.gif

[merry robin]

I'm trying to!!

Honestly I'm completely on board with switching my home to ok nabu so long as the devices around the house don't feel too "hacky." They will need to work reliably or will score very low WAF.

[cold moon]

for shore

i havent dabbled into it myself yet

[merry robin]

Also are there any Bluetooth/zigbee/zwave/thread devices with a screen that prominently displays the time which would work as a kid's bedroom clock?

Looking for something with some degree of connectivity so it will self set and I don't have to remember to fix after a power outage lol

[winged knoll]

WiFi, yes

[marble vault]

I have had some really bad experiences with Fire tablets. Performance is just pretty terrible. The price is hard to beat, but you get what you pay for.

[winged knoll]

Ulanzi TC001 maybe

[merry robin]

Ok I'll look into it. Figured I'd have to go wifi but wanted to check if there's any other way first

[winged knoll]

I've not seen any non-WiFi options

[marble vault]

I picked up a SunFounder 10" Touchscreen and mounted a Pi to it and installed it in the wall and ran PoE to it in the wall.

It's EXTREMELY low profile and the pi has absolutely no issues keeping up from a performance perspective

Are we allowed to drop links here?

[winged knoll]

As long as they're not affiliate type links

[marble vault]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0776VNW9C

This is the touchscreen I grabbed - it's a little pricey if you're on a budget, but it's been on my wall and solid for 4 years

Using a pi4

If it doesn't HAVE to be on the wall (and the thing that I came here to discuss initally) you can pick up one of these for like $27 on woot and flash it install Android with Fully Kiosk or the HA app. It seemed to good to be true, but I just got one yesterday and it has been pretty neat... https://community.home-assistant.io/t/is-this-the-perfect-standalone-tablet-for-ha/658422

[golden thorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

[short trout]

Any recommendations?

[marble vault]

I've used a Lenovo M10 Plus with a 3D printed wall mount that was really solid, but the Pi with a touchscreen is my favorite for wall mounting.

[marble vault]

The battery eventually becomes an issue with "Always-on" wall-mounted tablets

[short trout]

I guess I'll have to decide which one is the better one because, I saw some Pi and touchscreens 3x more expensive than a cheap tablet

[short trout]

have you tried with a switch and an automation to use the battery?

[marble vault]

Yep, that's fair. The Amazon tablets subsidize the cost by adding a lot of advertising and bloatware to the tablet which can really ruin the user experience and can degrade performance on already mediocre hardware - but sometimes it's too cheap an option to pass up. I ran off a couple of Amazon tablets for a year or so when I first started messing with home automation back in 2018/19 and it CAN be a good entry point. I was also able to root the devices and clean up some of the bloatware at the time (if that's still possible, that may make it a viable option still). Although some things still were unusable.

[outer acorn]

Hey everyone could I use a BIGTREETECH Pi 2 for home assistant? they are used for 3d printing klipper software https://biqu.equipment/products/bigtreetech-pi-2-cb2

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/ykbE.gif

[marble vault]

If you're pretty tech savvy I would still say to take a look at that Lenovo video conference device... They were intended for enterprise video conference/MS Teams but the product flopped. They were like $350 MSRP, but you can find them for $30 now. You still have to flash the device and install Android, but you can throw HA companion app on there after that or use Fully Kiosk and they are solid with a decent speaker too. It even played a few 1080p test videos over Plex without flinching.... The flash process requires some elbow grease though, and they would not be ideal for wall mounting.

[pliant forum]

ThinkSmart View is the model ^

I have one of them, works great

[marble vault]

This seems pretty niche given the age of Pi2. The Pi3 is the oldest generation Pi I would think to even attempt to run as an HA server, and I think once I started throwing Frigate/video feeds at a Pi3 I suspect it would choke.

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/minimum-hardware-requirements-for-ha/289067

Some folks here seem to agree, but it's purely speculation on my part. My suggestion would be... to go ahead and f*** around and find out

[pliant forum]

I started with a Pi 3B and even 3 years ago it gave me issues. Wouldn’t recommend

[outer acorn]

this is not a raspberry pi its from a different company just called pi 2

[marble vault]

Yep that's the one! Especially with the Lineage OS install. I used the vanilla Android 8.1 and it was still usable, but Lineage just brings a better UX.

[cold moon]

that board is not meant for haos doesnt make sense to even try

[pliant forum]

Why not just pickup a $50 mini PC with vastly superior specs?

[outer acorn]

this looks like a good idea or i will go with the HA Green

[pliant forum]

If you can spend around $100 you can get a pretty good specced one

[cold moon]

no

mini pc -> green

[pliant forum]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186375181791

this one just needs an SSD

Allows you to run other things besides HA aswell using Proxmox as the main OS

[cold moon]

he can get better

should be able to get like 8-16gb ram + m.2 ssd (not nvme but still) with 6th or 7th gen intel for around $120 or so unless prices have spiked

[pliant forum]

^ that was just a quick browse

[cold moon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315380601445

[pliant forum]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335428722851

hard drive though, good CPU and RAM

[cold moon]

my link is 250gb ssd with 8gb ram for a 7th gen i5 for $75

not bad

[outer acorn]

do you think of HA Green ?

[cold moon]

i dont think of it at all

it's an SBC like a pi not a mini pc it's disappointing

[pliant forum]

The benefit of going with a mini PC is you can run whatever

you’re not limited to Home Assistant

The Green is definitely simpler but if you’re a little tech savvy a mini PC is a much better option

[marble vault]

Tend to agree.

[outer acorn]

i am running a VM on my synology

[marble vault]

What???

lol, just run HA in docker there.

[pliant forum]

Is that having issues? Why get a different machine lol

[cold moon]

separate nas and smart home++

[pliant forum]

I can see the reasoning behind that but spending $100 just to get a separate Home Assistant instance with the green seems kind of unneeded lol

[marble vault]

If you are looking at the green and that bigtreetech pi, then budget is probabyl a primary concern and your NAS is a solid option.

[outer acorn]

i am having some issues with google assistant being slow to switch things on.... i am guessing this would not be a hardware issue

[slim lagoon]

Probably #voice-assistants-archived

[pliant forum]

Sounds like that’d be more of a network issue but yeah #voice-assistants-archived

[outer acorn]

ok cool thanks for the help, i new to all of this thanks again

[short trout]

You mean the Lenovo M10 Plus right?

[marble vault]

No, sorry, the one I was talking about is the Lenovo ThinkSmart View.

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkSmart-ZA690000US-Conference-Equipment/dp/B088DB94SW

[marble vault]

Or if you want to pay full retail price, you can still find them at Office Depot... It's only an extra $300.

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/9452474/Lenovo-ThinkSmart-View-Smart-display-LCD

They won't wall mount very well, but they are great for table top and they work in landscape or portrait and have a camera, microphone, and speaker.

[toxic locust]

I know people advise against non bare metal firewalls but I bought a dell r210ii years ago that runs my Haos, opnsense firewall, Nas and a bunch of network stuff like WiFi controller,DNS etc and it cost less than a pi it's been running non stop for around 6-7 years with only user induced problems she's a little power hungry but for what I get out of it not that bad think the server was around $50 and I bought ram,SSD and a network card but they weren't anything pricey.

[compact gale]

random question: does anyone know of a device similar to a smart doorbell, but that's basically just the camera and two-way mic?

more like a smart intercom system meant to install outside, I guess

[patent river]

The problem is people don't necessarily architect their network in a way that it can be independent of the firewall.
Where you run into trouble is if you need the firewall to be up in order to manage the firewall.
So long as you have a way to manage the hypervisor and un-break the firewall's networking in the event of an outage (preferably one that doesn't involve plugging a monitor and keyboard into the server running it), you're fine.
You hate to see the alternative, but it's far too common (imho once people get a little bit of networking knowledge they over-complicate things, and end up causing these sorts of situations)

[celest coral]

Is there a way to add BroadLink GW4C (hub used to control Bluetooth gu10 bulbs) to home assistant? I tried adding BroadLink then the hub ip address but it said not supported or some such

[toxic locust]

Didn't fully understand all of that sorry but I think I have indeed had those issues or similar mainly when the hub I have for the secure side is down and I've only been able to connect to the firewall via VPN tunnel and had no access to proxmox but I now have everything connected to solar with a ups in between, touch wood not had an outage since. I have a very laid back approach now and only update maintain anything when no one is relying on it or I have the time so I have very few issues these days unlike when I first started and my wife (online trader) would seriously chew me out, home assistant/opnsense nearly destroyed my marriage more than a few times.

[patent river]

What I more meant is people set things up with the firewall being the router for every VLAN (not getting an L3 switch with inter-VLAN routing), put the management interface for Proxmox (or whatever) and the firewall in a management VLAN, which when the firewall is down they lose access to

Tale as old as time itself, really

[toxic locust]

I wasn't that clever when I first started luckily, rather than vlans I just ran a load of cables and had multiple physical networks. I still have 3 physical networks now but one trunks all my vlans, one handles management and then one is my run of the mill network for WiFi and IOT stuff, seems to work well for me and it's a matter of just swapping a cable from one switch to another for any secure management stuff. Home assistant was a much bigger learning experience than just home assistant but a great experience it is.

[vestal linden]

hello, what brand do you suggest for zigbee door windows sensor (with AA or AAA battery) and Humidity/ Temperature /.. sensor ? On ali if possible

[winged knoll]

Have you looked at the Ikea sensors? The new ones take AAA

Otherwise Xiaomi Aqara

[vestal linden]

didn’t thought of ikea, I ll give a look, but they are probably more expensive

[winged knoll]

Buy cheap, buy twice.
Buy Tuya, buy thrice

[toxic locust]

Battery life on the sonoff ones used to be pretty bad from what I remember aqara were better in that respect, unsure of IKEA but normally their stuff is very good,tuya forget about it

[vestal linden]

Lol ok, I just looked ikea and the price is good, except my wife will buy for 100€ of stuff if she come with me xD

[glacial oracle]

In either case be aware that you will need to change those batteries on at least a yearly basis

[vestal linden]

regarding tuya, what do you think about it:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwNz5mn

What can I use to replace it if it’s not good. It’s for a VMC, I need to switch between 2 speed

[glacial oracle]

Unless you buy the Shelly h&t then it's like two weeks

[winged knoll]

Don't buy Tuya

Don't buy Sonoff

[vestal linden]

It’s ok if I change once a year a re usable AAA battery

so what can I buy ?

[winged knoll]

#hardware-archived message

My Aqara ones get 1.5 to 2 years out of a coin cell

[spark geode]

I have both here, IKEA as well as Aqara sensors and buttons. But replacing the Aqaras with IKEA one after another to get rid of coin cells and use rechargeable AAAs instead. The Battery is monitored and I have a automation to send me a message when its time to replace them. Cannot really remember the last time.... months at least

[toxic locust]

Don't bother just buy a decent brand or in my case make one, the sonoff ones tend to have short lifespans on the switching side if they have anything over a few inches of cable so just work being fitted in the switch. If I had the option I'd just buy shelly but not available in my country

[vestal linden]

do ikea have something for my vmc ?

I want to switch between speed 4 and 7 I don’t care about the vmc off option

[toxic locust]

You need a two way switch I think shelly does one otherwise it's esphome and DIY it

[vestal linden]

I would like a routeur zigbee device if available

[winged knoll]

Innr plugs

[vestal linden]

I mean a two way switch zigbee router

wait shelly has zigbee ?

[slim lagoon]

No. Shelly doesn't offer Zigbee devices. At least not in the US.

[toxic locust]

Sorry no idea not available here

[toxic locust]

Can't see anything ZigBee available if your adamant on ZigBee best way I can see around it is buy two 1 way

Or risk it and buy tuya

Only thing you need to be careful of is if you buy two 1 way you need to isolate them somehow so you don't put power on to both fan coils at once and blow the whole thing up

[vestal linden]

I prefer buying a second time a tuya device than my vmc xD

[toxic locust]

Inovelli might have something but I'm unsure

[toxic locust]

If your ok to try tuya buy a two gang relay use one as the power supply feeding to the other as a two way to power each speed

[vestal linden]

I live in Belgium, I don’t think this brand sell here

[toxic locust]

I'd go with something like this

Sorry about the ruff sketch

[short trout]

Thanks for the tip, I’ll definitely have a look

[vestal linden]

thanks but I m very noob about electricity ^^’

[toxic locust]

Me too and I was an electrician for over 20 years

🫣

[vestal linden]

oh so I only need to control the switch 2 in HA

[soft holly]

Is this how Hue bulbs die? I have 22 Hue bulbs of various types. One of them (only one) is flipping to unavailable and then coming back fairly randomly. Approx 10 minutes to an hour. Has anyone seen this before? (fwiw - running in a z2m setup)

[soft holly]

The side effect is -- when it becomes available, it turns on. So.. this light is randomly coming on when it's suppose to be off.

[slim lagoon]

Yup. I've had that exact same thing with Hue bulbs that went bad. It's rare, but it does happen.

The other thing that I had issues with was that the socket they were plugged into went bad as well. That was fun to troubleshoot.

[soft holly]

Thanks... Any tips for changing out a bulb? The entity id will change -- which will mess up all my automations, right?

[slim lagoon]

Well, yeah, but you can just rename the entity to what it was previously and your automations and scripts should continue to work (assuming you are using entity state triggers and not device triggers).

[soft holly]

Finding and fixing one issue can be challenging.
Finding and fixing two issues can make or break you

[toxic locust]

You would have to make some form of template if you wanted it controlled off one entity, relay 1 would be power relay 2 would be change speed if you didn't want any off function you just wire it to a single relay.

[vestal linden]

I did go to ikea during my way back from work

[soft plinth]

Any hardware recommendations to replace Alexa stuff now that HA easily can control my other devices? In the US, would prefer cheaper stuff just to test out the functionality

[winged knoll]

The #voice-assistants-archived channel can help there

Check the pins there

[arctic peak]

Hey folks 👋
I'm looking for some recommendations for radiator valves. I initially bought Shelly TRVs and liked their functionality but I ended up having to charge them very frequently (~once a month instead of once every 2 years) and ended up sending them back.
My requirements are:

• The valve must expose battery level to HA
• The valve must expose a climate entity to HA
• Strong preference for valves that have continuous valve regulation (not just on/off but also say 50% closed)
• The valve must have a good battery life (1 year plus of real life battery life preferred)
• The valve must be continuously accessible through HA. (No things that only ping once an hour and/or can't be reliably controlled)

Considering the need for good battery life, I've mostly been looking into zigbee devices (though thread and wifi are also possible). I've found the danfoss ally as a good potential candidate, but would love to learn from your experiences, especially if you've maintained a fleet for a while in your house / organization!

[slender falcon]

I’m trying to come up with a simple hardware solution that could play an audio file to a speaker when an automation is triggered. Any suggestions?

[slim lagoon]

That really depends on your budget, cloud versus no cloud, audio quality, etc.

You could go cheap and go with a simple speaker with an esp32 stuffed into it or you could go the other way and go with Sonos speakers (or Bose or whatever high end speakers you like).

[sweet nexus]

Anyone have recommendations for freezer temp monitoring?

Seems like the smart options that include a probe are pretty limited

[slim lagoon]

I use an Aqara temp/humidity sensor for mine. It's wrapped in a plastic bag.

(to avoid freezer burn) sorry, I'll show my self out lol

But really, most temp sensors are actually fine for a freezer. The only trick is making sure the signal strength is high enough.

[slender falcon]

I'm thinking cheap but easy since I'm not that advanced, but can follow a build guide for sure. I basically just want it to say "welcome" when someone trips a motion sensor that's already turning on WLED.

[sweet nexus]

I was looking at getting outdoor sensor with an SDR, or looking at these wifi sensors which has a scrape config on the forum: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/looking-for-support-for-mocreo-environmental-sensors/289489

[cold moon]

https://a.co/d/hG7DIcB these work with Bluetooth proxies in home assistant or native BLE

[merry robin]

I use the switchbot outdoor hygrometer thingy. Works well and gets picked up by the switchbot Bluetooth integration.

[vestal linden]

I did test the ikea water leakage sensor (triggered with my hand) and know it’s stuck in wet mode. Is it normal ?

[cold moon]

how wet would you describe yourself?

[gray latch]

lol

[glacial oracle]

I somewhat doubt there is something that lasts this long. Mechanical activation is something that uses a lot of energy and depending on how often it needs to do that in addition to sending data around, they won't last more than a couple weeks to maybe months during heating periods

Easiest way would probably to hot wire in a power supply and then that's about it

[tawny viper]

The new sensitive strips, z-wave get 10 years

[tawny viper]

I love mine

https://www.amazon.com/Sensative-11010321-Strips-Z-Wave-Window/dp/B0CP9C49HM

[cold moon]

loving them or?

[tawny viper]

I have one, wife likes it

hasn't "not" worked, its in a weird kitchen window

[gray latch]

Why does the picture show one behind a framed painting?

[merry robin]

Do you want to be the guy who moves the painting to find out? 😬

[slender falcon]

They don’t want anyone stealing their $20 Walmart art lol

[gray latch]

Maybe they're trying to imply there's a safe behind it

[earnest spoke]

Are there any (non obnoxiously priced) ceiling fans that work with home assistant? Alternatively, is there a way to retrofit dumb ceiling fans to make them HA compatible with something like a Shelly relay or whatever? If yes, what should I look out for when buying one?

[slim lagoon]

Are you looking to replace the fans or just make them smart? Also, where are you in the world?

[compact gale]

There are modules that you can put into dumb fans that give them smarts. There's a few I know of on Amazon, but this one from Inovelli might be a safer long term bet https://inovelli.com/collections/smart-home/Canopy

Zigbee or Thread, pick your poison

This is mainly for 120V AC systems (NA and Japan), though, so if you're elsewhere in the world you'll have to look elsewhere

[earnest spoke]

I'm located in Austria. I don't have any fans at all right now. It's a rented flat so it needs to be as non invasive as is reasonably possible.

[earnest spoke]

I should have specified earlier that I'm in Austria, sorry 😅

[slim lagoon]

Ah, in that case, I wouldn’t suggest putting in ceiling fans as you need to drill into the ceilings and place support bars and such (unless you have junction boxes already in place). You’d be better off going with tower fans or something like that.

Case in point: I had to drill a 2 inch hole in the ceiling and install and run wiring into a new junction box for this fan. Definitely not “non-invasive” lol

[pallid mortar]

Does anybody have experience with shelly switches that have dry contact? I am hoping to wire up the dry contact to a physical switch that can be used to physically turn the relay on. I am wondering if i could also power an led using that so the physical switches would have a visual so we know if its on or off? I understand dry contacts are not meant to have lots of power running through them. but if they had none surely they would not do anything, right? Anyone know. Much appreciated

[slim lagoon]

Where would you wire up the led? Like custom into the switch plate or something else? Technically, you should be able to do it, but I’m guessing you’d need to throw a buck converter or something in to step down the voltage so it doesn’t blow the led out.

[pallid mortar]

Yes inside the switch plate. Or rather than a switch I would use a button with an led inside it. to toggle.

if possible

does the dry contact supply power that an led could use or are we talking the main load output?

[slim lagoon]

Personally, rather than go that route, I’d just go with a smart switch that already has led indicators built into it. Path of least resistance.

[pallid mortar]

I need the other features the shelly has to offer

i am actually moving from sonoff to shelly

I was thinking the dry contact must have some low voltage running through it. if i hooked up the switch and led to that. Then when it is open the led would be off and when closed, on.

but I have found no way to confirm it through google

[slim lagoon]

Yeah, I’m not finding anything, but I’m on mobile, so I’m a little hobbled atm.

[pallid mortar]

I suppose i could connect an led to the load part. I hadn't actually considered it until you said that

switch would be something like this

[earnest spoke]

Ah fuck okay.
Well in that case let me change the question - are there any tower fans that you'd recommend that integrate well with HA, or ones that I can smartify?

[pallid mortar]

Anything can be made smart with a smart switch

unless you want speed control too

[glacial oracle]

Is there an actual need for this led? Or one where it could simply be in sync with the actual state as opposed to being opposite of it

[pallid mortar]

Yeah I want it in sync

[glacial oracle]

If I recall they are more of an indicator for out of sight states

[pallid mortar]

need being, the switch will not be close to the load

[pallid mortar]

exactly

[glacial oracle]

In that case you could simply wire in whatever has been in there between both load endpoints no?

Usually those are some discharge type bulb that run directly on line voltage

[earnest spoke]

Yes - I would prefer having something I could speed control

[slim lagoon]

Smart plugs are a cheap choice. There are some Tuya WiFi tower fans (made by various manufacturers) that integrate well enough. Then you could go more expensive and use something like a Govee or Dreo. The Govee isn’t bad at all.

[pallid mortar]

I don't quite understand this

[earnest spoke]

Thanks for the pointers. I'll look into it.
The SO was consider getting a second-hand Dyson but I don't think there's any way to make those smart

[pallid mortar]

A lot of them come with 'dumb' rf remotes. if you got yourself a broadlink remote you could copy the codes and use home assistant and the broadlink to broadcast the selected code for whatever speed you want.

I did that for my air con

[glacial oracle]

It effectively is just this

[slim lagoon]

Some Dysons are smart, but the integration for them is custom and a bit flakey sometimes. I have one and it tends to go unavailable in HA for a few hours every week.

[pallid mortar]

gotcha

Looks like that will be the route i go

Thanks all

[earnest spoke]

Looks like I can get a Govee on Amazon
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/H7106/dp/B0CSMB5SBD

[slim lagoon]

If you go the Govee route, make sure you use the govee2mqtt integration. MUCH better than the other ones. You’ll need MQTT with it, but it works really well. I have a Govee air purifier running in it.

[merry robin]

Govee has a new 42" version out or coming out that is getting an update to work with Matter. I'd go that route, personally.

[carmine ore]

It's probably not what you're looking for but I made my own with a sonoff ifan03 and esphome

[earnest spoke]

Found a Dyson Pure Cool Link TP02 on our local second hand platform for €230 😁

[earnest spoke]

This would work in theory, but then I'd need a broadlink in every room I have a fan in, I guess - right?

[slim lagoon]

Ha! I think that’s the one I have too. Not a bad device.

[vestal linden]

Hello everyone! I’m thrilled to share that I’ve finally installed all the door and window sensors! 🎉 I still need to buy two more and replace one that’s not working properly, but progress is being made!

Now, about those IKEA remotes... I bought three of them, and honestly, I’m at a bit of a loss on how to use them effectively. Any suggestions? 😂

Next on my list is getting a humidity sensor for the bathroom and an air quality sensor for the kitchen. These will help to control the VMC and improve air extraction when needed. I’ve been researching and would love recommendations on the best options to buy. 🤔

Here are some things I’m considering:

For the bathroom humidity sensor, I prefer something that uses AA or AAA batteries since I don’t want to change them too often. It doesn’t need a display because it will be hidden.
For the kitchen air quality sensor, it can be plugged in, but it’s important that it looks good (gotta keep that visual appeal high!). It would be a bonus if it also functioned as a BLE extender, especially for connecting to my Gardena lawnmower. Oh, and mmWave capabilities would be amazing! 🌬️
Any advice or product suggestions are welcome! Thanks in advance! 🙏

||Damn, ChatGPT is doing great work making my post more appealing! 😂||

[cold moon]

you want mmwave and air sensor in one?

do you have zwave and zigbee or just zigbee or?

[vestal linden]

in the kichen I can't store too many device if I want my wife to agree ^^'
Maybe some esp32 device all in one exist on the market.
Zigbee is ok but I don't think such device exist

[cold moon]

for kitchen air sensor i'd get https://shop.apolloautomation.cloud/products/air-1?variant=47743956091187 and it can be used as BLE proxy

and get a separate mmwave sensor, either from them like msr-2 or mtr-1 or similar mmwave sensor based on same chip

for temp/humidity i use a mix of things but aqara zigbee will be fine or if you want really cheap there are xaiomi $6 ones that work great over bluetooth

https://cloudfree.shop/product/xiaomi-mijia-bluetooth-temperature-and-humidity-sensor/

[vestal linden]

I got 2 of these but I can't reach them, I need a BLE proxy upstair

[cold moon]

then get one or make one

[vestal linden]

any cool idea of what I can do with a esp32 in bedroom ? an additional AIR-1 will be overkill

[cold moon]

lots and lots of leds

if you have an msr-2 from apollo or some other mmwave sensor you can track when you are at your desk or in your bed

i've heard of people putting the sensor under the bed and still able to see occupancy

[vestal linden]

I really don't know where I can use a mmwave sensor upstair :/ the night hall doesn't have any good spots and it's not a device I will use in a bedroom.
And leds :/ meh

I ve see a project with wyoming satellite, maybe I can use a voice assistant in every room of my house, it's working on esp32. But it's too early for me to try it

Regarding ble proxy, are bluetooth device automatically available in HA (ofc using an integration) or is it more complex ?

[compact gale]

Yep, assuming the BLE proxy is working correctly they should just show up in whatever corresponding integration you have

[compact gale]

On my units that I've left on Bluetooth, I have them set up to use the BTHome firmware and they just appear in HA using the BTHome integration. Simple as that

[cold moon]

yeah it's mentioned in the description on that link

it would be cool if they came pre flashed

[tawny viper]

inkbird ftw

[tall surge]

hello there

[gray latch]

hi

[tall surge]

So I'm searching for a non neutral wire solution since my light switch doesn't have a neutral. I was hoping for the Shelly 1L but seems that is not being made anymore

[gray latch]

inovelli

or install a Shelly behind the fixture instead of behind the switch

there's a neutral there and you can just put it inline with the hot runner for the switch

[tall surge]

ok but then the live is either on or off or you have to leave the swith on 100% of the tim

[gray latch]

no

[tall surge]

ah befor they split off....

[gray latch]

as part of the split

[tall surge]

I'dneed to find where that happens 😉

[gray latch]

there should be a switch connection on the shelly (or whatever brand relay)

it happens at the beginning of the fixture

if you have five separate lights, it's before the first one

[tall surge]

one light.. one switch

[gray latch]

that's worth knowing even if you don't do this

if there's no neutral at the switch, the hot run to the switch should begin and end at the light

if it doesn't, then you need to have your house brought up to code from like the first published electrical code

[tall surge]

hahah yeah who knows what people do

[gray latch]

my house is 99 years old and it's got that right at least

[tall surge]

I'll hav eto look at the light and see what is going on behind

it

[gray latch]

I don't actually understand why lights weren't wired with both hot and neutral passing the switch in the first place. that seems like a lot less work

you alread have to go from the source to the light and from the light to the switch, so why not make that a single run?

</soapbox>

[tall surge]

what if the hot comes into the switch and then out to the light (load) so at the switch there is only load and netural

I guess i'll have to go in the attch and see where the neutral and hot split off.....

[real wharf]

Hi everyone, looking for some recommendations on a product that will fit my needs. I have 3 smart bulbs (made by Meross, already set up in HA) that I want to set up a physical dimmer switch to control. I don't want a switch actually in my wall, just a wireless remote basically.

I found this which is basically what I'm looking for, but I believe it only works for Phillips bulbs.

Is there a similar product to the one linked above that I could hook into HA? Or if I were to purchase the one above, would I be able to hook it into HA without needing to purchase any additional hardware, and then set up an automation to control the bulbs through HA? I am in the US. Thanks!

I also found this one which I think would also work, but I do not currently have any Z-Wave hardware, so I believe I'd have to purchase something extra in order to actually connect it to HA right?

[real wharf]

For future readers: Ended up ordering this. It works with Apple Home over thread, but unclear if it actually will work with HA or not. Regardless, should be fine for my setup since I use apple home anyways. Will update here in a few days once I can try it out.

UPDATE: #hardware-archived message

[gray latch]

then your house isn't up to code.

[gray latch]

hue is zigbee and works with probably any zigbee coordinator

[shell apex]

anyone know if the Kasa Smart Motion Sensor Switch is home assistant friendly?

[tacit burrow]

Hue (lights, switches, sensors) works fine with my tubez coordinator. I ditched the hue hub.

[vestal linden]

if you have a zigbee network it will work fine on home assistant

[vestal linden]

don't buy it if you don't have any zwave product

[vestal linden]

I don't understand why you care about apple home if you are using home assistant, I guess you can use it on home assistant but you need to use thread wich is still in beta test on HA

[shut wolf]

Hi, do you have any proven presence sensors. Which will detect the distinction between a human and a 30kg dog.

[earnest spoke]

I'm a tad bit concerned after looking at some long term reviews though. Especially this one https://youtu.be/epgvGKfnNjY?t=4m3s

This guy doesn't have an invoice anymore and the Fan isn't in the warranty period either, so I'm a little unsure now.

I'll look into Dreo too - are there any specific models you'd recommend that work well with HA?

Also, between the govee and dreo, is there a reason to go with one over the other?

[green wagon]

Anybody have recommendations for a WiFi, BLE, or Zigbee -connected air quality sensor that isn't $200+?

[glacial oracle]

Some people enjoy the Ikea one

[fervent girder]

There'll never be a good reason to get a Dyson for real, I'm a hater

Filters imo are overpriced, and they use a super high grade filter so the overall clean air delivered is lower than other purifiers like levoit. Comparing energy, price and noise, other brands best Dyson unfortunately. I think we should separate the function of a fan for personal cooling and a filter!

[fervent girder]

What are you looking to monitor, or rather, what are your concerns you'd like to address? I'm a clean air nerd

Honestly the IKEA air sensors is decent (they've also got starkvind, a good filter), but make sure you get the slightly more expensive one: https://breathesafeair.com/ikea-vindriktning-review/

[earnest spoke]

I don't care about having a purifier at all honesty. I just want a good fan for the summer.

[fervent girder]

That's fair enough. I have a Xiaomi connected fan, and honestly I found it less noisy for the same amount of cooling, but that's just my opinion

[patent river]

I have three of those. Two of the "1X" and one of the v2

Great fans for the price (and I like on the v2 you can turn it from a floor to a table fan just by removing half the pole), and they definitely are super quiet

[earnest spoke]

Are their tower Fans good too?
https://www.amazon.de/Xiaomi-Control-Oscillation-100-Level-Setting/dp/B0B1N44VJ6/

And do any of these work locally with HA or are they all cloud dependent?

[patent river]

Local

Looks like it's much the same controls as the ones I have, just a different form factor

I have this: https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-smart-standing-fan-2/

Doesn't look like they sell the tower ones here

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/xiaomi_miio/

Just so you know, when I say "local", it's one of those things you have to register with their cloud service first, then extract the key (instructions are on that page) and put that into Home Assistant

Not a particularly arduous task, and only has to be done once

Actually you can ignore that advice too, looks like you just log in during setup now. Guess it's been a year and change since I tried it

[earnest spoke]

Awesome

As long as I don't have to worry about their cloud shutting down or whetever I'm good

[glacial oracle]

That's a risk you always will have

[fervent girder]

Taobao/AliExpress is your best friend

Do you have consolidated shipping to your location?

[green wagon]

@fervent girder I have a bunch of non-connected devices that it would be a shame to throw out. Some air purifiers with no form of wireless control, a portable AC unit that can be operated by an IR remote, and some non-connected AQI sensors. I also have an old Nest thermostat that's already installed, and I got some temp sensors for it. I'd like to bring all of these together to manage climate and air quality control

[fervent girder]

I personally have a dumb air purifier (manual dial) connected to a smart switch

[green wagon]

I'm planning on cracking the purifiers open and trying to wire an ESP32 to each of them to connect them with everything else

[earnest spoke]

That's why I asked if local control works 😁

So far, out of govee, dreo, and Mi, only Mi seems to have local control

[glacial oracle]

If it replies on the cloud to discover, that's not really local then

[earnest spoke]

Very fair. The others seem to need the cloud for everything though, so this seems to be the best out of a bad selection

[glacial oracle]

Yes just something to be aware about it

[fervent girder]

Oh. Wow, this is a really disparate one. I'm not very good at soldering, so someone else can advise you on esp32 control (I'd love to learn alongside you!) I don't live in a standard American style central-HVAC home, so my experience may not be relevant to you.

Portable AC Unit:, you can check out IR control hubs that connect to home assistant
AQI Sensors: what brand are they? I can help you check. Depending on how much time you have to burn, it might be possible to crack them open and esp32 it as well
Nest thermostat: I'm assuming you have central ventilation and cooling? Can't help :/

[green wagon]

@fervent girder no worries, that part comes later. Right now, I'm just curious on getting air quality data in my house

I think I'm just going to get new sensors for that

The two I have from a while ago were pretty cheap, so it's not really cost efficient to try finding a way to shoehorn them into the system

The air purifiers I really like though, so I'll handle that when I've got everything else sorted

Should be a fun project

@fervent girder I'll check out the IKEA models you mentioned. Thanks!

[earnest spoke]

Man sucks that the Mi fan isn't available in any physical stores here. Would have loved to actually see it before buying it. It's priced the same as the govee one so it's pretty compelling

[glacial oracle]

Depending on your region/store you may be able to have them pick up a unit for you to look at

[green wagon]

Oh, while I'm here, I had another plan I'm still pretty stuck on. I want to be able to set up some form of video doorbell system controlled through Home Assistant (or add-ons). My front gate has a 12 V electric strike plate already. I'm thinking of hooking up a PoE video doorbell system on the gate, having a tablet (and ideally also having it send a notification to my phone) to answer.

The main problem is figuring out how to get power to whatever device I wire up to the button that controls the strike plate. There isn't a wired power source anywhere near the button.

I guess I could wire up a microcontroller near an outlet and run a long wire to it?

I was also thinking about trying to leech power off the circuit for the strike plate, but a) the step-down circuit from 12V to 3.3-5V would waste a lot of energy, b) I don't know how much current I could pull from that circuit, c) that sounds like a great way to burn out / short something, or cause some other problems I don't need 😆

[glacial oracle]

An esp uses a couple hundred ma

Stepdowns aren't that inefficient either

[green wagon]

@glacial oracle good point about the power consumption, and you're right about the step-down efficiency. I remember trying to spec that out earlier this year, and I remembered getting numbers like 70%. Just double checked, and it's well over 90%.

Voltage drop when the strike plate is activated might be a problem though

I guess I could wire in some rechargeable nicads to smooth that out?

[glacial oracle]

that's something you would need to risk and try out

I guess, a lot of stuff can be solved with capacitors

[green wagon]

Good idea

[earnest spoke]

Dreo fans also require the cloud all the time right?

[green wagon]

You hear about that new capacitor design, by the way? Probably quite a ways off from being available to hobbyists, but it's a pretty neat breakthrough: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl2835

[glacial oracle]

Oh that seems pretty interesting

[real wharf]

Well the lights are in Apple Home so even if I am not and to add it to HA directly then I will still be able to make it work. I could probably even use an input button to hook it up that way if I really needed something in HA.

I don't have zigbee/z-wave so not going with the other two I found and didn't seem to be much more available.

[green wagon]

@real wharf the hybrid approach is interesting. You've heard about HA's cloud feature, right? Re: zigbee, skyconnect is supposed to be a pretty straightforward way to integrate it with. I'm waiting on mine to try to link my window AC with my thermostat / temp sensors.

[cold moon]

it's not interesting it's sub-par

if he wants to control things in homekit he should be using https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homekit/ to send devices to homekit to control on top of home assistant control not glue stuff together with multiple ecosystems

[green wagon]

One thing I really appreciate about folks is that a lot of them approach problems in very different ways than me. And in the end, the problem can be adequately addressed by any of those approaches.

[cold moon]

also a lot of us have realized the hype behind thread and matter is vastly overrated and both protocols are beta at best so zigbee,zwave,wifi, with a handful of bluetooth/433mhz/whatever is the ideal approach

[green wagon]

Experimenting with new tech is fun sometimes, though. And considering a variety of different options can lead to better solutions. For instance, I was originally going to go with OpenHAB to have more control over the integration logic between my devices. I ended up trying Home Assistant first because it seems like it will be a bit easier to integrate with a variety of hardware, even thread-based devices

[cold moon]

Anything not home assistant is light years behind

[green wagon]

I do feel you on being annoyed about hype trains, though. It chafes a bit when I see people approach any sort of computing problem nowadays and immediately throw an LLM at it. But hey, some of those ideas have yielded interesting results. Just saw this project somebody posted in another channel about a self-hosted AI assistant they made that has some really neat features.

[cold moon]

the AI stuff, in my opinion, is completely useless in its current form

[green wagon]

You doing okay, Smart? You seem a bit down

[cold moon]

you have to stand up a pretty powerful gpu just to turn around and tell it every sentence you want it to respond to you with with "intents"

that doesnt feel very smart at all

[twin bane]

Does anybody by any chance know the model number of the permanent switch model as replacement for my momentary switch "zb2-be101c". I would like to replace it with one that stays on (not momentary).

[static rune]

What are some ways to have wall switches and color changing lights?

I like the Lutron switches a lot but I can’t change the color with them

[slim lagoon]

Nope. But, if they are smart bulbs, you could trigger on the state of the switch turning on and set the color to the bulb through an automation.

However, if you are using smart bulbs with switches (and they are Zigbee bulbs), you're doing it wrong. 🙂

[static rune]

Could I control arbitrary home assistant devices with Lutron’s pico remote?

[slim lagoon]

Certainly.

You can do all sorts of interesting things with the pico remote.

[static rune]

I think that’s the solution then. Smart bulbs where I want color control, and all switches as either pico remotes or proper switches

So things are nice and uniform looking while still compatible

[cold moon]

you arent forced to only use lutron and their proprietary hub tho

[slim lagoon]

Yup. That works. Just try to avoid having smart bulbs (if they're Zigbee) connected to switches that physically cut the power.

[cold moon]

zwave and zigbee light switches paired with zigbee or zwave light bulbs can have some advanced control you cant get in your current setup

[static rune]

What are some nice looking alternatives?

[green wagon]

@slim lagoon I mean, aren't most lights in homes connected to switches?

You can always buy/build a shroud

[cold moon]

like if you got an inovelli blue light switch and paired it with a hue bulb or light fixture, you could "bind those" to talk to each other even when hass is down. then they'd still work as a "dumb" light switch even if hass is down

[green wagon]

I just put a big piece of duct tape to keep mine in the on position and remind guests not to switch it off

[static rune]

The remotes would essentially take the physical location of a switch, so I’d connect the switch directly, right behind the remote

[cold moon]

https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-smart-2-1-on-off-dimmer-switch plus these have a nice little led bar going down it that people use for alarm status / door lock status / etc

[green wagon]

@static rune @cold moon that makes sense, thanks!

[cold moon]

https://inovelli.com/collections/inovelli-blue-series/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-mmwave-presence-sensor-smart-dimmer-switch this version is pre-order but includes an mmwave sensor

[static rune]

Is there a site with lots of these designs? This one isn’t super doing it for me

[cold moon]

but tbh the firmware will probably suck for a few months after release

if you're in the usa you have like two good options

[static rune]

I am indeed

[slim lagoon]

You'd be surprised. Many of my bulbs are in lamps that are just connected to outlets.... soooooo.

[cold moon]

inovelli blue switches for zigbee, zooz for zwave (with some other brands sprinkled in but not really)

[green wagon]

Anybody handling houseplant watering with HA? I was thinking of getting this Moistenland wifi-enabled controller for drip irrigation

[fervent girder]

Let me know how you wire up the purifiers, having a guide set up would be killer. Can check out the site I linked with the reviews for other budget sensors too! Happy tinkering

[green wagon]

@fervent girder I'm still pretty new to HA and have a bunch of things ahead of that, but I'll be sure to post a blueprint (that's a thing on the community site, right?) with details

[cold moon]

Does a hass integration already exist for that?

[green wagon]

Not sure it'll be useful for folks who have non-honeywell air purifiers, but it might inspire folks to poke around their own models

[fervent girder]

Oh for sure the blueprint site, but I meant the esp32 wiring to the purifier to control speed and stuff too, not just the linking to HA.

[fervent girder]

Oh I heard good things about Honeywell's filters! Last quite a while so the cost is not too bad. They make solid masks too

[green wagon]

@cold moon it's apparently integrated with Smart Life, which is why I was considering it. I saw somebody talking about getting it working on a Github issue earlier

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/vepuhfCHU2k.gif

[green wagon]

@cold moon I take it you are... not a fan of the smart life integration?

[cold moon]

that's a chinese brand under the tuya umbrella

it's like piping chinesium directly into your lan

generally speaking, tuya is something both wifi and zigbee that you should avoid and spend a bit more to buy almost anything else

there's no standards they just push shit out

[green wagon]

Eh, every nation state with considerable resources is finding ways to snoop around. I have a dedicated subnet for IoT stuff. Not too worried about it

[cold moon]

any company can go to tuya/smart life and say "i have money make my product smart" and they add it to their cloud

it's not just about privacy

you're buying a shitty product because that's all they sell

from the hardware to the firmware to the QA

search "tuya" in this discord server

[green wagon]

I just want to water my plants regularly like my outside ones without them looking all sickly from neglect

[cold moon]

it doesnt mean their products cant work, but there's almost always a better product available for a similar cost without going tuya

[green wagon]

If anybody else has a better suggestion, I am all ears

That's why I was asking

[cold moon]

that's a pretty edge use case. i'd suggest a smart plug with an aquarium pump like the people use for these. if you're asking about like small tubes to go to multiple pots i'm not sure the best smart home solution that doesnt come up much

if you are a technical person or like to tinker it's very much possible with esphome and an esp32 microcontroller and some sensors etc

[green wagon]

@cold moon fair point regarding DIY. I'll look into smart pumps

[cold moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCXTqONmpZk

example

tbh that actually looks like a decent project

https://www.pricelesstoolkit.com/en/projects/21-1-droplet-smart-irrigation-system-0741049314399.html#/28-kit_options-only_mainboard looks like you can buy his kit if you want

[green wagon]

For that price, I could get one of those newer microcontroller models that works with Zigbee. Some of the dev boards even come with a small display built in. Seems like a fun / straightforward project.

[cold moon]

not really

to my knowledge there's no working diy zigbee microcontroller for zha or zigbee2mqtt (or support in esphome)

it might technically support the protocol but that doesnt get you very far

https://z-uno.z-wave.me/ there's these but tbh i've never even seen a person make one lol

[green wagon]

Good to know

[cold moon]

https://home-assistant-guide.com/guide/how-to-build-the-easiest-zigbee-chair-occupancy-sensor/ there's also this sensor that can be used for other things but wouldnt really work for your use case

[green wagon]

Eh, I can do BLE instead then. Tomorrow I'll see if I can find some suitable smart pumps or ones that are reasonably straightforward to integrate with a microcontroller

[cold moon]

Do PIR sensors work when submerged? Asking for a friend.

[glacial oracle]

They identify as sonar

[cold moon]

i just installed the damn thing.. got it for free from a lady who bought but never used it. now i know it is the cheapest of chinese junk lol

[glacial oracle]

Guess it's time to pull out the drill

[cold moon]

I’m kinda curious if it works now I’m waiting til dark

[regal bison]

hi all, I have a quetion regarding shelly 1pm plus (I think it is gen2)

I am using it to driver a water boiler, I put it inside the electric socket

it gets quite hot, > 70 degree C under load

I am wandering if it is expected/safe

[slim lagoon]

I was pressure washing the house a couple of months ago and sprayed a jet of water at my PIR sensor. Spoiler alert, it didn't survive it. lol

[cold moon]

Ya but this is under eave of house

And I never unsealed it

It just never came sealed

[regal bison]

it is a problem for sure of bad air recirculation, but I am wondering if anybody has experience with that kind of devices

[cold moon]

I guess it’s an indoor outdoor light

[slim lagoon]

Ohhhh fun... yeah, love those (said no one ever).

[glacial oracle]

I would somewhat not recommend using it for such things

switching such high loads isnt exactly great for the relays

tho if there is no switching it should be fairly alright

[regal bison]

hi @glacial oracle

[glacial oracle]

hi bot

[regal bison]

what do you mean with "no switching"?

[glacial oracle]

im kidding ;D

there are different shellys and i mixed them up

the pm is the red which should have no relay if i recall

so that should be fine ish

the blue and black? ones do have the relay

[regal bison]

yes, I am using the single channel one that should support 16A

[glacial oracle]

they rate it to be fine in abient temperatures of up to 40c

[regal bison]

but I am wondering if managing high load as a boiler inside the electric socket is not a good choice

[glacial oracle]

it should , but if you worry i think shelly has clamp on meters for those aswell

so that there is no current passing through them but they measure inductively

[regal bison]

I am interested in powering the boiler up and down, not just power metering

[glacial oracle]

that would require a shelly with a relay

i wouldnt recommend that on high currents as there is a possibility for it to arc and possibly set it on fire

thats kinda the downside of relay switching in such small devices

[regal bison]

ack, thx for pointing this out

[cold moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIB3kWqqAzE example

[regal bison]

so shelly are better to manage e.g. your electric shutters or similar

[glacial oracle]

Yes or some floor lights that would be tap switch controlled

[regal bison]

ok

[glacial oracle]

You may be able to check wether or not you can diy some controls onto the boiler so you can remotely control it and do the things you want in a more save way

[earnest spoke]

Okay so are there any tower Fans that work with home assistant and have good local control? I ditched the idea of getting the second hand Dyson TP02. Govee and Dreo look like they need the cloud, and the SO does not want a regular fan, so the Xiaomi Smart Fan 2 is out.

Out here in Austria Xiaomi also make a tower fan, but I can't find any info about it working with HA and how local it is.

My primary concern is that if the company goes bust or decides to shut its cloud off, then I don't want to lose the ability to operate the fan with HA.

[regal bison]

@glacial oracle so the issue is not the temperature iiuc, but the electric arc at high current

[glacial oracle]

the temperature shouldnt be an issue, there are overcurrent and overtemp protections in it that should kill power if it does no good

but have me do a quick search to see if that applies to non relay ones

the typical operating temp seems to be 50-60c but they seem to be rated for up to 95 if there 2023 article is to be belived

https://support.shelly.cloud/en/support/solutions/articles/103000221554-shelly-devices-operating-temperature

[slim lagoon]

🤔 There is the Xiaomi integration, but it's not local. I think at this point, you're really looking at going with either a smart plug on a fan or going with a custom build. I'm not so concerned about companies going bust though.

[glacial oracle]

just make sure that the ambient temperature is below 40

id assume it to be fine, even tho you should observe its behaviour for a while just to be safe

[regal bison]

I guess the temperature inside the socket is higher than 40C

[glacial oracle]

that may be an issue then

how much current is going through it?

[regal bison]

roughly 6A when the boiler is running

[glacial oracle]

no that should be well within limits

is this a temperature measurement you receive from the shelly?

[regal bison]

yep, I think it is the mcu temperature

[cold moon]

it is

prob only useful for telling if your house is already on fire

or a solid block of ice

[regal bison]

the boiler is 1.2KW, so roughly the current is around 6A

[glacial oracle]

even in a socket that should be well within what this thing can handle

no this probably is just alright

[regal bison]

but still we have the arc problem issue I guess

[glacial oracle]

it may be less of an issue with it only being 6A, but id not be comfortable making a statement on that

[regal bison]

Ack, right

Thx for the help

[earnest spoke]

The smart plug route doesn't provide fan control unfortunately.

Sucks that all three absolutely need the cloud. If they're all the same, then I'm going to need to figure out which of them is a better fan.

[slim lagoon]

Unfortunately, I don't know of any that are local control only. It does suck indeed.

[cold moon]

this is a fan on a stick not a ceiling fan?

[slim lagoon]

Yeah

Rented flat, sooooo

[terse pebble]

If you never clean it, will it become a sticky fan?

[cold moon]

I think the sonoff ifan04 flashed to esphome, a box fan, and a dream.. and maybe a little bit of crazy could work

[slim lagoon]

I kinda thought about that approach too... Just not sure how elegant that would look. Hell, even just a simple ESP32 wired into the fan's toggle switch could work too.

[cold moon]

that's what the sonoff ifan04 is

but it has relays that control the low/medium/high

https://digiblur.com/2021/07/08/itead-sonoff-ifan04-l-they-listened/ it's better than what someone can DIY and it looks nice

you mean just replace the actual fan controls?

with gpio pins?

i guess that would be easy

https://xtremeownage.com/2020/06/26/converting-a-fan-into-a-smart-fan/ oh my god that fucking domain name is hilarious

[young citrus]

can anyone recommend a good zigbee smart plug for the uk with power monitoring and a good zigbee light switch with no neutral wire

[cold moon]

i think innr uk is high up on the list

uk no neutral some aqara switch

ideally newer gen zigbee 3.0

[young citrus]

I want to be able to disable backlight on both

already got the the h1

[warm dagger]

What are other devices you can connect a touch screen to use as a kiosk that are cheap?

[slim lagoon]

Android/Fire tablets

[warm dagger]

I already got a screen I need a device to connect it too

[slim lagoon]

Ohhhhh, ok, right. How does the screen connect? USB?

[warm dagger]

HDMI or micro usb for display and usb for touch and power

[slim lagoon]

You could use a rPi for that I guess? Maybe a cheap mini PC or something like that? What are you trying to accomplish? HA kiosk/panel?

[warm dagger]

Yes a ha kiosk Panal but I like to do it cheaper than buying a pi4 because I already got one hosting

[cold moon]

he wants to overcomplicate a recreation of a fire tablet/android tablet

[slim lagoon]

Pi3B then?

Yup.

I went through this twice today already. lol

[warm dagger]

Man I already got the screen that’s why

[cold moon]

watch a video on fully kiosk

then realize this just isnt worth it

juice isnt worth the squeeze

reuse this for like a dashboard in your kitchen or something

[warm dagger]

I mean I can get a pi4 but I want to do it cheaper

[cold moon]

you dont need a pi4 for this

you need a tablet with fully kiosk browser app downloaded

[slim lagoon]

Pi3B then with raspian on it.

[cold moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKYe3UZjqGw

no pi + TFT blah blah compares to something like this

it just doesnt

[warm dagger]

Okay thanks

[warm dagger]

Thanks

[young citrus]

I want to do away with the aqara hub and use ha as the controller for the light and plugs, currently have aqara h1 eu no neutral and aqara wireless mini switch

i have the sonoff dongle plus

[glacial oracle]

well then you are set to simply do it like that

#zigbee-archived tends to have the better expertise about zigbee related stuff, but you already seem to have the hardware you want to use

its just a question about wether you want to use zha or z2m

[young citrus]

currently use zha

[glacial oracle]

then there is nothing in the way of doing the transition

[young citrus]

does it support control of the status light

[glacial oracle]

the status light of?

[young citrus]

or do ineed z2m

the light on the light switch and plugs

to indicate if it's on

[glacial oracle]

if this is a functionality those devices offer, it likely works with either solution

[young citrus]

looking at getting the green so I can use z2m instead of zha, I only have 1 light switch and 4 plugs

[glacial oracle]

you can use z2m without a green

[young citrus]

on my asustor nas, that is where ha is atm

I'm new to this as you can probably tell

at the moment I have eve energy being controlled by apple tv and that is why I want a zigbe plug instead

so I can do away with the atv as well

[slim lagoon]

@young citrus Dude... we talked about this a while ago... You're still using those Eve things???

[young citrus]

only till I find replacement in stock

[slim lagoon]

Ugh... IIRC, we had talked about just going with an Aqara switch (which it sounds like you got). So, you just need the power monitoring plug now?

[young citrus]

correct

got the sonoff working with the nas

so light and coordinator working

with zha

[slim lagoon]

So now you just need to replace the Eve plug?

[young citrus]

but would prefer z2m so I can control the backlight

yes just plugs now

being able to turn off the backlight on the light switch and plugs is essential as it's in my bedroom

[real wharf]

Don't I still need some additional hardware in order to actually make HA able to control zigbee stuff?

[tacit burrow]

You need either a zigbee usb thing or a lan-based coordinator. I recommend the latter so you can place it independently of your ha box, and less interference

That’s to “talk zigbee”

I use z2m and an Ethernet tubez coordinator

[cold moon]

as one does 😛

[robust charm]

hey i have a light in my room where i cant install a smart light bulb and the light is controlled via two switches so it just toggles on and off when i flip one of the switches and i want to control it using home assistent i saw something about putting a relay inside of the wall behind the switch and i was wondering what would be the best option and if its event possible. (I live in Germany)

[glacial oracle]

possibly probably, but with german wall inserts you may have a hard time fitting proper modules in there

you generally can look at something for wifi ones, like shelly or zigbee ones from sonoff (or any other known good brand)

the "mini" versions likely will fit but they tend to lack neutral wiring and therefore router capabilities (for zigbee)

[robust charm]

thanks i will take a look at it tomorrow so i can find out the size

[merry robin]

I haven't read past this so maybe it has been suggested but what about a dumb fan with a remote and a smart IR blaster like Bond or something. Actually I have a tuya zigbee IR blaster which works well enough.

[native pilot]

Speaking from recent personal experience: bond sucks. Avoid.

[merry robin]

Hmm interesting. I have never had any issues.

[pliant reef]

is there a way we can get some sort of continued conversation / follow up mode on the m5Stack Atom Echo?

[earnest spoke]

I did consider this, but I would need to either:

• Move the IR blaster to a different room every single time I move the fan or
• Have an IR blaster in every single room that I have a fan in

[winged knoll]

#voice-assistants-archived

[vapid elbow]

is this the right channel to ask for hardware as in actual measuring devices?

[winged knoll]

Probably

Unless you're building your own stuff

[vapid elbow]

in my building, they need to change water meters (hot and cold water)
so i was thinking about getting versions that would be possible to connect to HA to get overview

[winged knoll]

Then check the pinned messages

[vapid elbow]

but i am completely clueless about these devices (starting research today)

I'm looking to buy hot and cold water meters with remote readings (M-Bus) that would be also integrateable into HA environment

• Which country you're in : Czech republic
• What your budget is : more or less not really limited within reasonable price range, the offer we have atm is something around 360e so lets say something like up to 500e
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave) : i have total majority of the things on zigbee right now but i don't insist on that, wifi goes as well, central brain is HA Yellow
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc) : meters are for water so of course at least water consumed is bare minimum (but more of data is better, for example temperature monitoring of inside the pipes sounds like good thing, i have no clue if pressure matters, maybe even controllable valves?, etc)

[merry robin]

I wonder if there are any with RF remotes? Then one blaster in one room would be just fine.

[boreal harness]

Let me know if this isn't the channel.

I'd like to be able to poll module data and pass it to an external system to consume it, what would be the best way to approach this, high level is fine.

[winged knoll]

Using Home Assistant?

[gray latch]

how is what you want different from setting up an external db for HA? mariadb or influx, as an example

[boreal harness]

I would need to POST the data from HA or GET it. Can I write a plugin to do this?

[winged knoll]

There's no plugins

[boreal harness]

I would need to get the data to insert it into a db

[boreal harness]

I'm a software engineer I can write one?

[outer knot]

When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

[winged knoll]

There's no plugin in HA

integrations

add-ons

No plugins

So... no, you can't

[boreal harness]

Add on and plugins are the same thing mate.

[winged knoll]

No... no they're not

But you do you

[cyan lichen]

if anything, integrations are closer to what people normally think of as plugins (run in process, add functionality to the application they're loaded into).

[boreal harness]

Big oof

Anyways, an add on I can write to do this?

My solution atm is to write a python module to just poll the GET api for the core entities, if you think there's a better way let me know.

[gray latch]

you don't need to

you can just set up the db and let it write everything to there instead of the internal db

and then you can read however you want from it

[boreal harness]

So there's a way to store all date in HA?

[gray latch]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/backend/database/

it already stores it all.

[boreal harness]

Amazing, thank you.

[winged knoll]

Chat GPT is well known to lie... well done

[gray latch]

the recorder integration lets you pick a different db

[boreal harness]

You're trying to argue about wording, well done.

[gray latch]

wording is important in highly technical systems

[winged knoll]

Language matters...

[boreal harness]

Lads trying to argue what a plugin is compared to an add on.

[gray latch]

it's a good practice to use the correct terminology, which you should definitely know as a developer

[boreal harness]

😄

[winged knoll]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/glossary/

[boreal harness]

I did use correct terminoligy.

[gray latch]

no you didn't, you said "plug-in" which does not apply here

[boreal harness]

It's interchangable,

[gray latch]

you can argue that outside of HA they're often interchangeable, but the terminology is used differently here

[boreal harness]

Get some lives mate,

honestly

[gray latch]

so you were wrong, and now you're an ass

and anyway, why the hell would you pick "#hardware-archived" to have this conversation?

[gray latch]

ah, another case of you using the wrong word and then getting a bad answer. got it.

[boreal harness]

pLUgins dON't ApplY HEre

Plug-ins are specific types of add-ons

OOF

Y'all need to go back to dev 101

[terse pebble]

As you obviously don't need any help - godspeed!

[tacit pilot]

You're right they commonly are generally equivalent, but not here. When talking about separate processes that run in containers in the context of the HA community they're called add-ons. I suggest you and everyone move on from this discussion because this is all there is to it.

[merry robin]

Michael Jackson popcorn . gif

[crimson tulip]

He left, doesn’t realize he’s an idiot and will continue to think he was right

I’m sure we will see a Reddit post about this

[stone minnow]

afternoon, folks. i've got a ton of zooz zen27 switches and 1 of the plastic tabs holding the paddle on one of them broke

zooz says they can't help and i need to buy a whole new switch

i hate everything about that

anyone know if these same paddles are used in other non-zooz switches?

[cold moon]

buy a new switch from zooz and return the old one in the box the new one came in. their customer support is friendly but they're unwilling to fulfill basic warranty claims in my experience, so this is morally okay to do

[stone minnow]

i don't believe they make this series anymore

replacing a very functional switch over a tiny little nub that broke off makes me weep for humanity and the planet

[cold moon]

i mean you could probably use some jb weld or bondo and craft yourself a tiny nub that wouldnt break off

i thought zooz sold replacement paddles

[stone minnow]

they do for the newer series

[gray latch]

3d printing to the rescue?

or glue

[oblique urchin]

I am a rookie, and just entering the smart-home domain...
Any advice where I can get advices about devices to buy that are compatible with HomeAssistant and NodeRed (without selling a kidney -for the whole project I mean-, I once found some type of list but I had no idea about the differences between devices/brands doing the same thing, basically, what would be the safe thing to always consider ? to avoid any issues of incompatibilities or support expiry on the mid-term run)
As a concrete example, I want to start playing with temperature sensors, then will add more devices. What would you advise ?

[winged knoll]

So... what do you want to buy into - Z-Wave, Zigbee, Matter, build your own, or ...?

[gray latch]

I recommend watching a bunch of videos on youtube about it

like, a whole bunch.

[winged knoll]

And then realise that half of them disagree with the other half

And some of them are just shills

[slim lagoon]

C) All of the above

[gray latch]

and some of them aren't shills, but they are jerks.

[winged knoll]

Or just nutcases

[gray latch]

but still, I don't know how else you can get the ground layer of understanding

[winged knoll]

Sorry, "personalities"

[gray latch]

heh

[winged knoll]

Well, there's plenty of better places than YouTube, but starts by asking the right questions

[gray latch]

yeah, but if you don't know the right questions, then where do you start?

[winged knoll]

Z-Wave: Robust, costly, but very reliable
Zigbee: Cheap, takes more work to get reliable, and if you live in high density housing may never be stable
Matter: The new hotness. Come back next year

[winged knoll]

Other than ... here?

[gray latch]

don't forget wifi

[winged knoll]

Well, yeah, but WiFi sensors tend to suck

[wicked sigil]

anyone know of zwave light switches that dont need a neutral wire that actually are in stock anywhere?

[gray latch]

coming here clearly gets you asked questions that you don't know the answer to

[winged knoll]

Battery life of wouldn't it be nice if there was some

[gray latch]

nope.

as someone without neutral wires at the switches, I recommend installing a relay in the project box that the fixture is mounted to instead of at the switch

[wicked sigil]

got a link or something specific i can google?

[gray latch]

or stealing a neutral from a nearby outlet

[wicked sigil]

house is old unfortunately, not alot to work with in the walls

[gray latch]

"smart light relay" usually works.

[cold moon]

no good legal options

[wicked sigil]

lol ... legal?

implying there are illegal options?

[gray latch]

this is a basic one https://www.getzooz.com/zooz-zen51-dry-contact-relay/

[cold moon]

earf

[gray latch]

it's not a dimmer

[wicked sigil]

eventually it turns into free home heating

one time though

[cold moon]

isnt neutral an escape for the current if the ground fails to go back to the breaker?

[gray latch]

that's a ground though, not the neutral

and no

[cold moon]

if so, in illegal dont do this breaks fire code theory, they could just ground neutral

[gray latch]

no

[cold moon]

right?

[gray latch]

no no no

[cold moon]

i didnt say do it

[gray latch]

hot and neutral are the path that the electricity follows through your electrical work

[cold moon]

are you in eu cuz in us our breakers are pretty different

[gray latch]

you can think of them as in from the breaker panel and out to the breaker panel for the flow of electrons

240 is usually two phase, with two hot and a common neutral

this isn't #learntobeanelectrician but seriously, neutral and ground are not the same thing

if you think they are, then always hire an electrician, even to change your lighbulbs.

[cold moon]

never said they were

re read^

[gray latch]

what's this then?

besides dangerously incorrect?

[humble spear]

some sarcastic mirrored comment

[gray latch]

don't give sarcastic advice about mains voltage electricity

[earnest spoke]

Well shit, turns out that the Xiaomi Tower Fan I picked up today doesn't have any Home Assistant support. It's a dmaker.fan.p39 and the Integration doesn't pick it up. I tried using the https://github.com/syssi/xiaomi_fan integration, but I can't figure out how to set the damn thing up. I followed the instructions and added the device to my config file with the token and all that but it doesn't show up in my HA Devices. Anyone have any idea how I can troubleshoot this?

[gray latch]

send it back?

[earnest spoke]

Got it from our local seconds platform. The fan itself works, the HA integrations can't pick it up

[gray latch]

chalk it up to bad decision making and sell it on marketplace/craigslist/similar

[earnest spoke]

... I don't want to get rid of the fan. I want to figure out how to connect it to HA

[gray latch]

sometimes we don't get what we want.

[patent river]

Does it still let you override the model?

Before the version 2 standing fan was supported, I set those up as the 1X

They support all the same features, and obviously use the same values for them

Perhaps you can do something similar

[earnest spoke]

I tried setting it to dmaker.fan.p9 (apparently there is only one minor difference between the two) but the integration can't find the device

[patent river]

Try p11

or p5

(that's standing fan 2 and standing fan 1x respectively)

[earnest spoke]

None of them work. It keeps trying to initialise and then does throws this

[gray latch]

does the fan work with the Mi home app (or whatever app it's supposed to)?

[patent river]

https://github.com/syssi/xiaomi_fan
This version has p39 in the list

[earnest spoke]

Yep

[patent river]

I imagine it'll end up in HA's built-in one eventually, but perhaps go custom until then

[earnest spoke]

I installed this, added the fan to my config file, but it doesn't show up anywhere

I used this exe to extract the token

I've added it to my config and restarted HA

But no fan

[oblique urchin]

Yes, buying, cheapest yet reliable. What would you advise ?
I might be up to build only if it is super worth it since the finishing is never the same xD

[slim lagoon]

So, cheapest and reliable are not always the best bedfellows. Oftentimes, you get what you pay for.

[oblique urchin]

Is there any structured guide to start ?
I've already been watching such vids, but it goes in all directions and I learned very few... That's why I wanted to "get my hands dirty" and start experimenting myself with something before aquiring the rest... I chose temp sensors to start with but it can be anything else really if you think it would be best

[oblique urchin]

Haha, indeed. But, my rule generally with any electronic device is to privilege quality first, it just that sometimes above a certain price threashold, you wont be getting any quality and you would be just paying for the name/brand, there, I would go for the cheaper xD

[slim lagoon]

Fair enough... I just always like to reiterate that because people like to go on to places like Aliexpress and buy the cheapest hardware they can find and then come here and complain it's not working (specifically Tuya devices, usually).

In terms of where to start... So, videos are good-ish. But really in my experience it's knowing what you want to do. Even having a basic idea like "Wow, I wish the lights in my living room would come on automatically at night!". From that statement, you can pretty much assume you'll need some smart bulbs and maybe some smart switches. Then, it's basically asking questions and opinions about how to connect them. Do you have a good WiFi network? Maybe you'll want to go with WiFi devices. There's also Zigbee and ZWave as well.

Like, one of my ideas was that one day, I didn't feel like getting up to open the curtians in my living room... From that, I knew I needed curtain motors. Then I knew that I had a Zigbee network already setup, so Zigbee curtain motors. Then, I asked around, read forum posts and decided on the ones I wanted. Now, my curtains open and close automatically without me running around the house doing it manually. 🙂

[oblique urchin]

I have many ideas but I want to start small to learn properly and also to avoid rushing into large projects just to realize later probably I didnt need it or it could've been done differently even cheaper... Also, my automation dreams are limited by the fact I live in a rented apartment, so, no crazy investments will be possible (god knows how much I'd love that).
So for now:

• Turn on light on the hallway when motion detected: at least that will involve a connected lamp, motion detector
• Detect temp in different rooms and store history in DB (I like to track things for some reason), then based on some threshold/rule send a notification (discord, email): need temp sensors, DB ready already
• Finally, since I have alexa devices, I hope that can be also hooked into the system to control/get notifications as well: not sure how realistic that is compatibility wise... But, this is long term objective, I have no issue ditching alexa if it doesnt fit my system...

[slim lagoon]

Ok, so from there, you're probably going to want to go with Zigbee for your devices. It's relatively low cost and reliable if you set it up right. But before any of that, you'll need to setup HA (if you haven't do so already). How much have you actually done so far? Anything?

[real wharf]

Update as promised: was able to get it added to HA directly using the HomeKit Device (thread) integration and it works as expected. I was able to set up automations for the buttons and hook them up to my other devices.

[west yew]

favorite locally controlled full-RGB bulbs that aren't hue (dont want a hub)? Wifi or Zigbee. Worried about Govvee's HA integration maturity, but this looks promising

[slim lagoon]

I prefer Wiz bulbs.

[west yew]

fully local?

[patent river]

I always used to say LIFX, but having a hard time recommending them until things become a lot clearer as to their direction under their new owners.
Some of the best colour, local control, and some weird options like the ones that have 940nm IR to light things up for your security cameras.

Still worth a look, though

[slim lagoon]

Yeah. You can block them from the internet. There's a local lan flag in the app. From there, they are locally controlled.

I haven't seen anyone recommend LIFX in a looooonnnnnggggg time.

[west yew]

I was just about to recommend LIFX, now you got me worried. I'm making a list for a newbie so trying to find things that are easy to configure and wont get stumped to fast

[slim lagoon]

LIFX are crap lately (at least the past year or two). They look great, but their software and firmware... Just no.

[patent river]

They work well as long as you have GREAT WiFi. If you're in an apartment with a million other networks cluttering up the airwaves it's a tough recommendation

[west yew]

perfect, well let me try wiz then

[patent river]

But I have around 20 (mostly bulbs, one strip) at home, and they're all flawless

[slim lagoon]

The only ding I have against Wiz is their color is not like stellar or anything. It's good, but not fantastic.

Huh, I had LIFX a long time ago (like 4 or 5 years maybe?) and they constantly struggled to stay online.

[patent river]

The older, metal-cased A60 Gen2 bulbs (flat on the lit-up end) were terrible. The Gen3 (both the A60, and the A19 which was called the "mini" at the time, which were introduced around 4-5 years ago) have been perfect for me.

Mine is about 60% "mini day & dusk" gen3 (the A19 800lm CCW version), a few "nightvision" gen4 (A60 and BR30), one strip (which was also terrible until a firmware update about 18 months ago, and has been great since), and the remainder the "lifx colour" which is the new name for the A19 gen4

The naming scheme is anything but consistent 😛

Especially the mini/A19 vs regular/A60, and some of the CCW are called "day and dusk" and others "white to warm"

[west yew]

Last question - HVAC thermostat - there are a bunch of T6 options - what's the difference? Do I need wifi version. The top 4 all look similar. 2 say wifi, one says zwave and one says nothing but shows a wifi icon - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=honeywell+t6&crid=K6TJ2PC7LHU3&sprefix=honeywell+t%2Caps%2C110&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

I have someone wanting a simple getting started into Home Assistant, recommending HA Green - how could they boost the data capacity for Frigate, would HA Green + Frigate and a doorbell camera be too much for a Green?

[subtle meadow]

How would I go about seeing if a device could be flashed with tasmota or esphome if I'm not sure it's in the list. If I plug in a programmer can I probe it to see what it is.

It's a wifi energy meter so I thought it might be doable.

[gray latch]

I like sengled, but I understand why others don't

[earnest spoke]

I have a few. They're so good.

[bold mulch]

For esphome there’s a separate discord. But a esp32c3 is theoretically in the list of variants https://esphome.io/components/esp32.html (although with the note it's still in development)

But keep in mind that only cause the chip is supported you would still have to write everything else by yourself

[subtle meadow]

Thabks

[earnest spoke]

I figured this out - for anyone that happens to struggle with this in the future:
The Xiaomi Fan MUST be on the same VLAN as your HomeAssistant server. Otherwise, the Xiaomi Miio integration will not detect it no matter what you do. Moving the Fan to the same VLAN made it work instantly. I choose dmaker.fan.p9 for the moment, and basic control seems to work.
Despite this, I haven't been able to get the fan to show up through the syssi/xiaomi_fan HACS Integration

[silver lily]

Hi all! I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask: Does anyone have suggestion on how to control a wiz light from a smart wall switch? If the wiz light and the smart switch is connected turning off the switch will switch off the light. Basically, I think I want a smart switch with a programmable interface so that I can tell it to not turn off the internal relay but instead use wiz to turn down the light.

[gusty sequoia]

I don't have specific hardware suggestions, but look for a switch with "smart bulb" mode. That's how it's marketed when the switch doesn't actually disconnect but just signals the automation system (HA in this case, of course)

[silver lily]

I found this reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/smarthome/comments/udavb2/smart_switches_that_have_a_smart_bulb_mode/ which suggested inovelli --- those switches are hard to buy and seems way too expensive for what they do. Am I missing other brands?

[outer knot]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[silver lily]

Here we go: 1) USA 2) < ~$50 per switch 3) zigbee > wifi >> z-wave 4) no other than what I have described

[limber elm]

Oddball question because I'm feeling silly. Tuya TZ-USP-P_C Zigbee smart switch. Says it has power monitoring. I put one on my window air conditioner, and it's pulled into HA via Samsung SmartThings. I was able to add it to my energy monitor, but I'm not sure how to tell if it's actually reading information right?

[winged knoll]

Tuya... odds are good it's not right 😄

Without another power monitoring device though you can't tell if it's right or not

[limber elm]

I mean, not saying exact, but in the neighborhood, not like 'Oh, I can carry 15A, so if I'm on I'm going to assume I'm passing 15A@120VAC'

[winged knoll]

Tuya... if it says 15A that's probably peak load, not sustained

[limber elm]

eventually I'd like to get one of the units that clamps at the breaker box, which would definitly subplant that

Oh, I really don't expect I'm actually pulling that kind of draw. I think the whole breaker for half the house is 20A (really old house that isn't wired for modern electronics)

[winged knoll]

A lot of Tuya stuff is made to a budget, a really small budget. You're mostly not even getting what you're not paying for.

[limber elm]

I'm low income, so ... sometimes cheap > good

[glacial oracle]

there is the option of such things burning down your house

Cheap clamp on metering may not be a large issue besides it possibly measuring wrong. But id not expect relay switching to work reliably at all

[devout parrot]

Best cheap power monitoring device for under 15A peak (if you're in the US or Canada) is the Sonoff S31 running esphome.

[gray latch]

i disagree

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/f78p5ZGYd0D.gif

[gray latch]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPY5D1KC

[cold moon]

the less traffic you put on your zigbee mesh the better

[gray latch]

the less traffic you put on your wifi the better

[cold moon]

2.4ghz is almost exclusively IoT for anyone who knows what they're doing

[devout parrot]

I don't think I have anything important running on 2.4 anymore. It's all iot devices.

And your router has the capacity for that. Zigbee network gets bogged down way easier

[gray latch]

it's still traffic across the router and the radio. my zigbee is busy AF and stable

if I could get my wifi IOT devices down to just the esphome for ble proxy and the garage camera, I'd be overjoyed

[cold moon]

ideally ble proxies are using eth not wifi cuz they share the same radio for wifi and bt

[warped bloom]

I am wanting to install a smart lock with a keypad for my house exterior door. I have a HA yellow, and can expand hardware if needed. I'm curious what manufacturer / model of smart keypad lock would be best with HA. If it's battery powered, that's ok. Obv I'm sure it'll have a standard key / lock core.

Ideas?

[short aspen]

They cut power to my building today, and when power returned my Home Assistant Blue boots up without USB ports.

Any ideas?

[glacial oracle]

have you attached a screen to it to see whats up / tried to manually turn it off and on again

#installation-archived may be a better place to ask for this

[slim lagoon]

So, I def shouldn't say that I have 101 WiFi devices right now? (7 of them are not IoT devices). 😛

[gray latch]

wow

i think I have 22 wifi devices that aren't IoT, and 14 media player devices that fall in between

[slim lagoon]

I figure I might as well get my money's worth out of my Unifi equipment. I'll be adding 10 more devices next week too (air purifiers and more presence sensors).

[frank narwhal]

hi guys, how do you guys measure your running shower's temperature (water and shower air)?

i want to hear ideas of how others do it

[slim lagoon]

I don't measure water (yet), but for air temp, I use an Aqara T/H sensor. It measures temp, humidity and air pressure.

[native pilot]

I use a temp/humidity sensor from zooz (zwave), but I'm only measuring ambient-- not water temps.

[slim lagoon]

Honestly, I don't even know how many smart shower heads are out there with support in HA. I know Kohler makes a couple of them, but I think they are closed system, so I'm not sure.

[native pilot]

I believe you're correct about kohler

[frank narwhal]

I'm not looking to have any smart water head, since I have a custom made brass one that is quite pleasing to look at, I'm thinking of possibly attaching a temp probe to it, but I have yet to find a zigbee/zwave compatible battery based temperature sensor (with probe that i can wire and attach)

[glacial oracle]

What would be the reason behind this?

Temp probes usually aren't made do be water tight

That will probably become an issue with inserting anything into the stream itself, amongst it acting as restriction and the need to pierce the plumbing at some point in-between

[golden thorn]

I use these for various things. I have yet to see a zigbee version of that.
Actually: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/THS317-ET.html

[glacial oracle]

Those also tend to not be actually water tight for submersion. It's some half eh job of being siliconed into that case

They work great for outside attachments to pipes

[golden thorn]

I use them to measure radiators and pipes mostly. I haven't tested their water tightness but I have no reason to doubt it is sufficient for most things.

[frank narwhal]

nah i was just gonna tape it to the edge of the shower head

so one of the mini hole streams of water would touch the probe

i just want to get an indiciation of when my water/temps have reached what i'm looking for

[glacial oracle]

wouldnt "being comfotable" be enough ^^

i guess that would work tho

[frank narwhal]

wdym?

[glacial oracle]

To see when the water is warm enough:D

[golden thorn]

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/S0bb2df64bc864585a7c29fc755908151R.jpg_640x640Q90.jpg_.webp

[frank narwhal]

issue is that these don't connect with your smart home :(

i'm thinking just a T/H sensor in the shower area would suffice, if general air temp goes up to a certain threshold, i know my water's ready so i can just run my automation to notify me

[green wagon]

I actually just used one of these to get a window AC unit on my network

The router capabilities are also helpful until I can get some smart bulb-based zigbee routers up

Speaking of, does anybody have any good tunable / color compatible bulb recommendations? I was thinking hue bulbs for routers, but since each room needs 2-4 bulbs, I was hoping to use a cheaper non-router zigbee bulb for all but one socket in each room

[winged knoll]

The only non-router bulbs are Sengled

[green wagon]

Thanks, that seems like a good option to mix in for cost mitigation

[winged knoll]

For router bulbs in white temperature the Ikea bulbs are solid. If you also want decent colour then Gledopto or Innr.

[vestal linden]

hello, anyone already used this kind of product ?

AVATTO-Commutateur
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGZ7Y95

I have a wall with 2 switch « variator » I want to replace them by one simple switch (concat both group of
lamp) then use the « free » switch for this product
will it work ? is there something I need to check before? is it possible xD, I don’t think I have neutral

any idea? an electrician come in few hours and I ll like to know of I ask him the change 😦

the upper switch will be synch with the middle one.
Then I ll add a screen to the upper switch.

there are push to dim switch, but they are not smart bulb compatible xD (still got a epileptic killer mode)

[ebon laurel]

I burned the HAOS of X86 using BalenaEtcher and got stuck in a start running job for HAOS swap using a USB drive. How should this problem be solved?

[winged knoll]

You wanted the #installation-archived channel

[earnest spoke]

Does the Dreame X40 integrate well with Home Assistant? Amazon is currently selling it at half price and I am EXTREMELY tempted. I had it on my wishlist for Prime Day / Black Friday, but it's hard to pass it up when it's more than half off
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CYZWFWRX

[golden thorn]

https://github.com/Tasshack/dreame-vacuum
It's in beta support.

[wind crag]

Moving away from zwave aeotec multisensor6 style. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Looking at "everythingsmarthome" superduper sensor on wifi.

On another note, I wonder I have 60 of these mirabella genio downlights to install. At this point they are localtuya but would like to flash them to esphome. or tasmota if that still exists.
I think this is mostly an Australian question altough I'm sure it's rebranded super chinese stuff.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/mirabella-9w-750lm-rgbw-ip44-1-2m-flex-plug-genio-smart-wi-fi-dimmable-downlight-4-pack_p0361945

These seem to be the best option at this point. Using tuya-convert or uart which sucks

[cold moon]

is this you asking for an mmwave sensor? pir? both?

[drifting grove]

Any smoke detector recommendations?

[outer knot]

@cunning skiff Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[cold moon]

https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Detector-Carbon-Monoxide-Generation/dp/B08FFB233Y or if you have wired interconnect smoke alarms this is ideal: https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-800-series-z-wave-long-range-dc-signal-sensor?_pos=1&_sid=edb0dd5c4&_ss=r

[merry robin]

This could be useful. I have a couple lamps that occasionally get turned off. I was using ikea bulbs in them, but since they are routers, it jacked everything up when they got turned off. I was not aware of any non-router zigbee bulbs.

[cold moon]

they break spec it's a bug not a feature even tho it's technically a feature

https://support.sengled.com/hc/en-us/articles/115010871308-Do-any-Sengled-Zigbee-devices-act-as-Zigbee-repeaters

[wind crag]

Yes sir

All of it

Not happy with zwave etc

I'm pretty wasted now. but yeah

sorry wrong channel

that's even worse

thank you Smart home doodle

I access the esp 2866 or 32 then yay but it takes to long

need ota flash please

[native pilot]

what is happening right now

[slim lagoon]

I have no idea... drunk discording?

[cold moon]

I think the cool kids say getting rizzed on the cord

Wait no that’s not right

[native pilot]

but it could be

[drifting grove]

Yeah the only issue is these are kinda pricey as I'd need 6 of them haha

And my house is small

I think there are some devices that will sit next to traditional smoke alarms and detect if they go off via sound sensors

[cold moon]

there are listeners but that is also built into homepod/minis and i think google and amazon privacy speakers as well

[cold moon]

6 of which

the second link is one and done if they are all interconnect

[drifting grove]

the $40 zwave one

[vestal linden]

Any idea if this kind of device can be install on a switch with no neutral ?

[stable prawn]

Hi guys. I'm trying to install the SkyConnect dongle on my Raspberry Pi4. Everytime I try to install the Zigbee network, it states "unsupported_firmware". I tried googling and the forums but there is little or no information on this issue...

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived can help, but you need to update the firmware (and #zigbee-archived can help there too)

[merry robin]

Picked up a sonoff nspanel pro. Didn't realize it doesn't come with a power cord lol

Will any cord work?

[gloomy elbow]

It'll need to be the right voltage and amperage

[merry robin]

It says "100-240V ~ 50/60Hz 0.15A Max"

[gloomy elbow]

You'll need what the output of the power adapter should be.

[cold moon]

old computer psu cables are rated for that

[merry robin]

Like I can use one of these and just chop the female end off to expose the wires?

[cold moon]

Read the lettering on the side of the cable

[merry robin]

I realize this is dumb but what am I looking for?

Like what is throwing me is the .15 amps.

[cold moon]

That just means it won’t pull more than that much current

[merry robin]

Is it really 15 or .15? Basically what do I need to the cord to say?

[cold moon]

the cord is fine man

that thing wont use much electricity at all

a space heater uses 15amps (or some do) - that thing would make much more sense at 0.15a for mains voltage like 110/220

[merry robin]

So the one in the pic should be fine? Sorry...I have a habit overthinking things

[wintry storm]

Ok - anyone here use Espresense? Curious if it’s easier and more convenient to buy a Shelly plug plus US (ESP32) and just flash it with Espresense. It’s already wired for 110V converted, and self contained in a case?

https://www.shelly.com/en-us/products/shop/shelly-plus-plug-us

[inner cape]

So I'm building a new house - I have an aqara u100 lock - just wondering if I should get the m3 hub .. or the m2 hub + https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004942648430.html

[oblique urchin]

Noted for Zigbee.
No, I havent yet, but that should not be hard I hope to deploy a new container next to my existing 100+ in my homelab xD
I have been holding back actually until I figure out what/which direction to take plus, I will need some device to connect in order to test my HA instance...
With that said, is there any suggestion/guidelines for a zigbee controller/gateway ?

[merry robin]

M3. It does everything the M2 can do plus more. You'll be set if you ever decide to add more aqara.

[slim lagoon]

So, I prefer lan coordinators. They connect via Ethernet, but they are pricey. However, the performance blows usb sticks away. I use the Tubezb CC2652P2, but the MGM24 is the best. If you’re going to go with a sub stick, the Sonoff Dongle E is currently the most recommended.

[cold moon]

Chinese hubs are a no no

[merry robin]

Oh the link you included won't help with the lock. Their locks don't work over z2m or zha yet I don't think.

[inner cape]

Copy thanks tguys

[patent river]

This one is regularly on special for $30, possibly the cheapest of all the LAN/PoE options
https://smartlight.me/smart-home-devices/zigbee-devices/slzb-06m-zigbee-adapter
that is the older EFR32MG21, but they have an EFR32MG24 version on the way (and also make various CC2652 variants)

[oblique urchin]

Thanks, I did not know about the lan ones, will check further before picking.
Going forward, what devices better to consider from this list https://zigbee.blakadder.com/plugs.html
I see they support different gateways, are they all compatible with HA or I should privilege a specific GW ?

[patent river]

Also - interestingly, but not I expect exceptionally relevant to performance / usability - seems to be the only one that is a completely custom design, rather than plugged-together ESP/Zigbee boards

[slim lagoon]

I always hear that the SLZB-06 is super good or super bad. Like rarely anything in between.

[patent river]

Isn't that so often the way

[slim lagoon]

That depends on where you are in the world.

[cold moon]

i heard good things about the cc2652p7 based one

actually i think the guy is having mesh issues but the webui is cute

[slim lagoon]

For me, I often recommend what I’ve either used or depending on where the user is, the next “best”.

[patent river]

This also comes to mind https://xkcd.com/937/

xkcd: TornadoGuard

The bug report was marked 'could not reproduce'.

[oblique urchin]

So all will work in HA, it is only q uestion of preference/availablility ?

[slim lagoon]

Sure. HA doesn’t really care. I prefer the lan coordinators because you can put them anywhere in the house where there is low interference (or if you want to place it dead center of the house). But most coordinators are supported.

[oblique urchin]

I meant the logos next to the devices in https://zigbee.blakadder.com/plugs.html
Is there a preference for HA or all should work anyway in HA though plugins ?

Aha, okay, I re-read your answer, go it

Getting sleepy, my brain starts shutting down after 1am xD

[native pewter]

Man I knew I was pushing the Aqara Temp/Humidity sensor by putting it in a chicken coop. It lasted great for about a year. But now I gotta delete and re-add it almost twice a week.
Anyone have any zigbee outdoor(ish) temp sensor recommendations. Open to Z-Wave too.

[patent river]

It's annoying how expensive the LoRa one I have in in my glasshouse is, because it's been in there for 15 months and reports it's used 5% of its battery.
Temperature swings from about -3C in the middle of winter to 37C in the height of summer.

Amazing solution, but for the several hundred dollars the environmentally hardened sensors cost 🤷‍♂️

[cold moon]

Zwave long range is showing a lot of promise

[native pewter]

I have that zigbee/z-wave combo stick I bought like 5 years ago. Not sure if it supports Z-Wave LR.
I honestly don't think range is the issue. It's a small like plastic igloo type coop. And was across the yard all summer and winter last year. I moved it basically right up against the house with a zigbee router on the same wall but second floor up. And now it's dropping off the network all the time... (it started to drop before I moved it, so not simply the location change causing issue.)

I love the idea of LoRa, but yeah the upfront costs and not sure how to make it completely local with HASS.

[patent river]

The gateway I bought speaks MQTT natively, so I added devices using MQTT discovery

I did see in the 2024.6.0 release notes there's a new integration for TTN, but I wanted mine to be 100% local too

I even implemented downlink commands to allow me to change the reporting interval on the fly

[native pewter]

That's awesome. You mind posting the product link?

[patent river]

Have this gateway
https://www.milesight.com/iot/product/lorawan-gateway/ug65

Its translation from the binary LoRa data to JSON is configurable too, and you can do some fairly arbitrary things with the MQTT topic (mine is set to send to lora/$eui, EUI is like the MAC address for the sensor)

[native pewter]

Whew, that is a pretty penny.
Will not pass the spousal hobby budget for me lol.

[patent river]

The local distributor seems to have regular sales on this stuff, I've not paid full price on many of the things

Given the way things are spread around our property and wanting outdoor-rated sensors (detached garage on the other side of the neighbours' house about 35 metres one direction, and a glasshouse about 25 metres in the other) though, worth it

It also controls my garage door via one of these: https://www.milesight.com/iot/product/iot-controller/uc300

[junior mica]

holy... you're got a pretty professional setup right there

[patent river]

It is fair to say too that I am lazy, so finding ways to solder things together is not in my nature.
Buying something off the shelf that needs a minimum of effort is absolutely my jam

Also sensors with 5-10 year battery life is a nice feature

[vagrant vigil]

Hey, can someone who knows what’s what message me about my issue?
I got an HA installed on a Pi as a docker; HA detects the Pi’s bluetooth but when I connect a bluetooth speaker to the Pi I am able to hear audio from it but not audio from the HA.
What’s going on..? 🤷‍♂️

[winged knoll]

HA doesn't have native Bluetooth audio support

So, that'll never work

You need some software that supports the speaker that appears as a media_player to HA

[left raft]

I'm making a dumb recepticle smart for my wall dashboard but don't have room for a smart plug. Is there a smart relay anyone would suggest for this?

[outer knot]

@left raft Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[left raft]

Prefer wifi as this is only intended for charging the wall panel

[glacial oracle]

you may be able to use a shelly

[left raft]

I heard some reboot issues with those. Are the gen3 solid?

[glacial oracle]

Haven't heard about the rebooting thing yet, but if not you can usually just refresh the esp inside them

They should be fine to buy solutions

[winged knoll]

Do remember that the country you're in matters

[left raft]

U.S.

[winged knoll]

Not everybody uses the same electrical standards 😉

[left raft]

Probably a dumb question but the shelly 1pm says max current 8A, does that mean hooking to wires coming from a 15amp breaker would fry this

[winged knoll]

No, but hooking up a 15A device would

[left raft]

I'd be hooking it into a recepticle that has a usba port on it.

Pretty sure though the usb is like 2.1a

[winged knoll]

The total draw including whatever you plug in has to be less than 8A

Also, that's probably 2.1A at 5V

[vagrant vigil]

Why doesn’t it support it?
I mean if the bluetooth connects to the Pi normally and plays audio from the Pi just fine; why can’t HA just use the same connection?
Why doesn’t it just link in as an audio device?

[winged knoll]

Because nobody's developed that integration

Feel free 😉

[vagrant vigil]

I’m not a coder so don’t know how; but I still don’t get how it doesn’t already work considering it is all connected and audio already comes from the speaker as an audio device on the Pi.
HA should just accept it as if it is connected with AUX or whatever. 🤷‍♂️
I mean I didn’t even use a dongle for it to have compatibility issues, it is a native device. 🤦‍♂️

[vagrant vigil]

I found this, can you make sense of it?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/bluetooth-speaker-as-media-player/194673/7

[half arch]

You'd need to supply 12vdc via a relay. It draws 0.32A according to my multi-meter

[native tartan]

Im having an issue with my Zi-Stick

#thread-archived message

[terse pebble]

A) You were already in the correct channel (or maybe #zigbee-archived )
B) Multiprotocol is not recommended, as development is frozen by HA for now. (even if it is compatible to your stick)

[ancient carbon]

I'm wondering if there is a a light switch that can turn on and off my smart lights without turning off power to the lights

I have the Kasa smart light switch right

[cold moon]

Just needs to support smart bulb mode

[ancient carbon]

thanks

[static rune]

Whoever recommended UniFi, these things are rad

[slim lagoon]

What did you get? New toys?

[static rune]

Cloud gateway ultra and in wall u6

I should set up a separate network for guests and IoT

[halcyon harbor]

I'm having some trouble with a Aqara double relay module T2. Hoping somebody could help tell me how to wire this double light switch to the smart module I have

[glacial oracle]

They have a diagram with various examples in their documentation

I am not sure whether this even supports two different switched outputs

[halcyon harbor]

Yeah I've looked at those and can't figure it out.

[native pewter]

Don't blame you. I'm already thinking of long range stuff for the retirement property in my mind. Right now though pretty small area.

[wooden shard]

Hi guys, been googling but probably not asking the right questions. But basically I need to update a device which is on a different network, I can see it in HA .. but how do I send new firmware to it? I cannot physically move it. It's about 1000km away from me now...

It's just an ESP32, connected via WiFi to an openwrt router..

Ahh I think I have a solution

Hmm or not

Nope, was right, all worked...