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signal comet
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but if you want to do it anywhere else you need the 2650 hours of education because low-voltage wiring is sooOOoOOOoOOoo complex 😝

cold moon
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I have a little 18 gauge 3 wire Ran for led strips

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Ya

signal comet
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then again, this is also the state which only started allowing citizens to pump their own gasoline last month

cold moon
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In Texas our low voltage owns their own guns

signal comet
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but yes @vague salmon there is a code book for low-voltage wiring and if you're seriously interested in looking at it I can find it for you

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and trust me it does not take two thousand hours to learn

vague salmon
signal comet
# vague salmon what

inorite? New Jersey still doesn't let their citizens pump their own gas as far as I know

vague salmon
vague salmon
signal comet
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(although honestly I am quite happy not having to handle the gas pump)

vague salmon
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ah but then you've never wondered what exactly that is on your hand

signal comet
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haha I drove taxi in Boise for three years, I am quite familiar with that feel

vague salmon
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lol fun

vague salmon
signal comet
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it was a good gig except for all the drunkards puking in my office

signal comet
vague salmon
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oh lol

signal comet
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bleh can't just download a pdf of the damn thing but you can make a login and read it for free on their site
https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/list-of-codes-and-standards/detail?code=70

NFPA 70®: National Electrical Code®

90.2(C) Installations Covered.This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables for the following:    (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and ...

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there's a whole chunk of it that deals with low-voltage specific stuff

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how tight you can make conduit corners, how many corners are allowable on a conduit run, what type of cable to use in which spaces, how frequently the cable needs to be supported, etc etc etc

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interesting note I learned from my last job, a conduit that goes outdoors between buildings is considered an outdoor space

so you need to use direct-bury rated cable in it

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which makes sense I guess because water incursion in an underground outdoor conduit is not uncommon

cold moon
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Hide it in the walls and act dumb isn’t an option?

vague salmon
signal comet
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as long as you obey the 11th Commandment

cold moon
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Thou shalt not post pics online?

signal comet
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Thou Shalt Not Get Caught

cold moon
summer verge
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Hey all, trying to get a aht20 to work on a nodemcu v2, I have home assistant os installed on Unraid, It seems this is a ic2 sensor, but when I try to run the ic2 configurator addon it says my cpu is not compatible, am I out of luck?

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HAOS is setup on an unraid VM

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If not the appropriate channel I apologize, if someone can point me to the right place

zealous dune
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Yes you're out of luck

summer verge
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damn, so I have to find non ic2 devices? or switch to a pi?

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sorry i2c, I keep calling it ic2

zealous dune
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Tell me, how does your unRAID CPU relate to the NodeMCU and AHT20

summer verge
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Maybe this is more a question for the esp discord, I may be a little lost, so I have esphome flashed on the nodemcu with the aht20 sensor, when I check the logs in esphome, its giving me an i2c error, so ive been trying to research why that may be, I installed i2c configurator, but its telling me my cpu is not compatible, so I am curious if I cant run any i2c sensors with my current setup

winged knoll
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If the error is from ESPHome then that Discord would be the place to ask

summer verge
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Understood, I thought it may be a compatibiliy issues, I wasnt sure if i2c was exclusive to RPi hardware

zealous dune
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The i2c addon has nothing to do with it, your error is in the esphome config

rocky shale
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Hi,
I'm looking for a temperature sensor I can place on my balcony.
At first, I was thinking about ESP+DHT22 as I have some spares in my drawers but I don't know how to power it (-20/+45 range) without being out of range for batteries or if there is a risk with open air components.
So, if you have any advice/recommendations, I'll be happy to get them. For new stuff, I just have few requirements: internet access or power socket are not available for it.

zealous dune
drifting ember
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here you get certified and you register with the regulations entity and you get a installers license

drifting ember
signal comet
drifting ember
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yeah F that

signal comet
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yep

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it's how the electrician's union in this state keeps the money flowing within the electrician's union

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unnecessary red tape and bureaucracy

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barriers to entry

tepid heart
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Come to Australia. You need a structured cabling licence to install network cabling.

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In your own house.

drifting ember
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well like I said about here, you do the certification courses, you get a installers license when you register

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so I can't believe my normally backwards country, is making sense with something

signal comet
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at least in Oregon if you actually own the property, you can do the cabling yourself (but literally the property owner must be doing the work) as long as it gets a building permit and passes the inspection

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when I was in college, I hung out with the IT team, there were 3 guys

and one of the guys was so incompetent that the other two pretty much followed him around all day fixing everything he touched

but he had the electrician's license so he could pull new cables on campus as needed

and he was worth keeping around and following around to fix his screwups for that reason alone

signal comet
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anyone have recommendations for a smart switch that can handle the inrush current from a bathroom ventilation fan?

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am thinking it'd be real nice to have the fan kick on at high humidity and shut off again at lower humidity

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
signal comet
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USA, probably zigbee, I don't even have a conception of where budget starts on these things

glossy prism
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It's Wi-Fi but with local control

signal comet
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hey that bundles the sensor into it, I wouldn't have to do a separate sensor

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and I don't have to have the zigbee coordinator yet

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I'm ordering one

glossy prism
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Little bit of a learning curve if you've never used Tasmota before, but they include info on configuring it

signal comet
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wow it should be here tomorrow

glossy prism
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Oh make sure you select Tasmota and not Smart Life

signal comet
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sweet thanks, that helps cos another thing I happen to have on the shelf is a few sonoff 2x and sonoff 4x that I understand should be flashed to tasmota

glossy prism
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not sure why it has that dropdown when it's a page specifically for the tasmota version...

signal comet
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once I figure out voice control I want to use one of the 4x ones in the living room to control the living room and dining room lights and ceiling fans

glossy prism
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tasmota is great

signal comet
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(and also put a light fixture with fan in the dining room)

cold moon
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looks like tuya but flashed to tasmota

signal comet
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if this switch works in the main bathroom I'll order another one for the master bathroom

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I had to put tuya in my system, we've got a bunch of Feit bulbs

glossy prism
signal comet
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on the bright side, playing with the controls on the web UI is a lot smoother and faster repsonse than telling Alexa to do stuff with the bulbs

drifting ember
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Tediore I blame you for my love of Tasmota

glossy prism
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glad to be of service

signal comet
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will be glad for the day I can fire Alexa

drifting ember
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lol

drifting ember
glossy prism
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Sadly, MJ appears to use Amazon for order fulfillment even when ordered on their website 😦

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At least in the US. Not sure about elsewhere

drifting ember
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well that's perfect for me

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because I like to order on Amazon

glossy prism
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it's not perfect for me

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because fuck amazon

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but Martin Jerry is the GOAT for offering pre-flashed Tasmota devices

signal comet
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now all I need to figure out before I can start rolling this out to more of the house, is voice satellites with wake word behavior

drifting ember
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including double ship and single charge me for items then refund the payment

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infact I've ordered from amazon, gotten an email saying my order was cancelled and still got the stuff

signal comet
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I don't like the way they treat their employees or their sellers

but I do like click-click-get-stuff

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and yeah occasional free stuff, I ordered some stuff and it hadn't even been shipped by the expected delivery date so I canceled it and ordered from someone else and got that order

and then I got the first order, after the refund had already processed

drifting ember
signal comet
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although another time they blocked a $7500 order for fraud suspicion

and we called them and convinced them it was legit and they released the order

and somehow duplicated it

so we were shipped and billed for two identical $7500 orders

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damn thankfully we had enough liquidity to carry that extra $7500 till we got stuff shipped back and a refund processed

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that could have gone very wrong

glossy prism
drifting ember
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Oh, I haven't heard much about that

winged knoll
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Warehouse and a lot of their tech staff aren't necessarily valued...

zealous dune
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its been all over the news

drifting ember
zealous dune
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you from north korea?

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there is no "our" news on the internet

drifting ember
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The Bahamas

drifting ember
zealous dune
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nah, i get all my news from twitter

drifting ember
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lmfao

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I used to love twitter

cold moon
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Amazon is a terrible company in literally all respects

zealous dune
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sorry.. X

kindred pelican
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any suggestions for air purifiers that work with home assistant? be it through an outlet switch or zigbee?

zealous dune
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outlet switch or zigbee???

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did you mean wifi or zigbee? or something else?

junior ore
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Someone having the same issue with this aqara humidity/temp sensor? I never see any logs of it

Screenshot_20230824-222522_Home_Assistant.png
zealous dune
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that weather sensor is a button as far as HA is concerned

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what's its model and manufacturer in the device card?

junior ore
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zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.weather.Weather2

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zealous dune
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one of the days someone will actually read the model and manufacturer of the device in ZHA

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today is not that day

winged knoll
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One of these days people will read the channel topic and know they should have been asking in another channel 😛

zealous dune
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like that

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but they can post images here 😁

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relevance notwithstanding

junior ore
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i thought it was from aqara so was looking for that name , i see this :
lumi.weather
by LUMI

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Device Type: EndDevice
LQI: 105
RSSI: Unknown
Last Seen: 2023-08-24T11:17:19
Power Source: Battery or Unknown
Quirk: zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.weather.Weather2

winged knoll
junior ore
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11:17 was the time i repaired it

kindred pelican
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I could use one of those 110 outlet switches (zigbee) -or- an actual zigbee compatible air purifier

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I know the last purifier I had would reset if power cut to it, so something like that wouldn't do.

zealous dune
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only zigbee air purifiers are from IKEA

kindred pelican
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ooo, okay, I'll take a look at that.

zealous dune
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there are many wifi ones

cold moon
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they even make a weird one in a desk

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err table

zealous dune
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desk for gnomes

cold moon
kindred pelican
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weird lol

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the wifi ones work with home assistant tho?

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i hate wifi devices generally.

glossy prism
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Definitely strange. Hopefully it's quiet

dusk ivy
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Seem to have struck out on Reddit so I’m asking here. Anyone know and brand that makes TRIAC candelabra bulbs??

vague salmon
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But if Zigbee is cheaper itll probably win

tawny viper
cold moon
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I’ve only been to ikea once and I’ll never go back

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It’s like if the state fair of Texas and cardboard had a baby

tawny viper
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But they have light bulbs I need. And my wife wants to go

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Mostly the second

cold moon
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I went to buy a lack table to make a lack rack, picked up the sample and realized it was complete junk and had to use my elbows to get out

tawny viper
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Fair ,and takes forever to put together

cold moon
cold moon
tawny viper
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It doesn't exist

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Closest thing is a wifi wiz a15

cold moon
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That’s not hue that’s Philips

tawny viper
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I said closest

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Nobody makes an a15 zigbee. But I don't quite need a15.

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Anyway. It's wiz wifi or ikea zigbee

cold moon
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Sad

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You’ll have to let me know how they stack up to hue

tawny viper
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I honestly only have hue bulbs. So, will do

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Just need a few for our bathroom fixtures.

cold moon
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No wiz

tawny viper
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Hence, ikea 🙂 we came to same conclusion lol

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Technically the ikea isn't an a15, but size wise it works for my purpose.

cold moon
wise gorge
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Anyone experienced issues with Fibaro smoke alarms triggering false short smoke warning?

terse pebble
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Not experienced with that one, but my smoke detectors give short warnings, when the battery is low

wild atlas
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They also always start making those noises at 3am

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Never start the warning beep during waking hours

glossy prism
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But of course

gloomy spoke
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Yeah, what is it with smoke detectors and other beeping things? They always start in the middle of the night

signal comet
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they know

fresh willow
winged knoll
fresh willow
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Okay thank you, I'll move my post

proper frost
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Yall think 87€ is fair for the Rpi4 - 8GB? How much did it even cost before their shortage

glacial oracle
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70-80 ish

proper frost
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So its still a bit overpriced but already way better than usual

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Im going to wait a bit longer, prices seem to finally calm back down

gloomy elbow
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Don't forget prices may well have risen due to the chip shortage and cost of energy going up.

shell solstice
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hey guys can someone help me choose a vacuum robot?

I am searching for something that is compatible with home assistant, that has a “map/mapping” of your house and that it can go on carpet/moquette

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if possible with a bit of trash storage

patent sparrow
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My Synology NAS updated today... and now I can no longer launch home assistant. I'm using a SkyConnect... and "Docker" was replaced with "Container Manager".

glacial oracle
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Its basically the same

patent sparrow
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Getting the error "no such file or directory" on ttyUSB0

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It always worked previously, not anymore.

glacial oracle
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That's your mount gone wrong

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Check if the device is still recognized and present there

patent sparrow
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It's not listed in ls /dev/tty*

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and I dont know how to fix it.

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running /usr/local/etc/rc.d/usb-serial-drivers.sh start doesn't seem to fix it.

outer knotBOT
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@patent sparrow I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
patent sparrow
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I figured it out. Synology update deleted the .ko files from /lib/modules.

cold moon
proper frost
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True, better performance for a cheaper price

cold moon
# proper frost True, better performance for a cheaper price

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 link i've shared previously for an $80 mini pc "m910q" there are many variants on ebay for reasonable prices with 8gb ram or higher and 128gb ssd/nvme or bigger - this is a great option if you need cheap hardware

eBay
CHOOSE LENOVO THINKCENTRE M910Q TINY/4 CORE i5-6500T/RAM/SSD/WI-FI/...

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dry heron
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I have a Konnected 6 Zone panel that I recently moved from SmartThings to HA. Also laid down ESPHome to manage the device. However I have not been able to set a zone state to inverse. In the Konnected phone app that was easy. In the Konnected/ESPHome documentation it shows an example of coding for inverse. Being fairly new to HA where is this code located to modify. Thanks, John

devout parrot
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If anyone needs a GPS tracking device for tracking a car, a kid who you don't want to buy a phone yet, any other asset etc, these things are on sale for super cheap and the traccar integration works great.
https://a.co/d/68fxmtI

Limited-time deal: Spytec GPS GL300 GPS Tracker for Vehicles, Cars,...

The GL300 Real-Time GPS Tracker monitors location with pinpoint accuracy while giving you real-time updates. Whether you're guarding expensive equipment or items against theft or monitoring your delivery drivers' routes, the GL300 gives you the reliable, real-time tracking performance you need. M...

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Now what these actually are are rebranded Queclink GL320M which retail for around $100 unlocked, so with the correct data cable and the password that you can dig up on the traccar forums, every time these resellers change the password they use someone cracks it, you can wipe the device and set it to use your traccar server and the wireless carrier of your choice.

cold moon
devout parrot
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"subscription required" is like "requires Aqara hub" if you're smart

cold moon
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I’m not

devout parrot
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fortunately there are tons of people out there on the Internet who are smarter than either of us figuring out all the hard stuff.

cold moon
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I’m not familiar with gps

devout parrot
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So gps and glonass, of which allegedly the GL320M devices use both, just use satellite signals. Any device with the right receiver can use those signals to determine its location, no subscription required for that bit. Subscriptions come in when you want a device to be able to send that data back to a server somewhere.
Companies like Spytec buy and rebrand GPS devices and subsidize the price by making you pay an inflated price to use them via locking them to report to their servers and use their mvno data plans.

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If you buy a tracking device unlocked or you're able to unlock one of those subsidized devices, you can reconfigure it to report to your server, traccar is a free and open source solution for that that also has a solid HA integration, and set it up to use whatever SIM card and data plan to connect to your server and report back.

twilit relic
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hey there. i'm using a guide to make my rpi4 USB bootable. its saying i need to have A) up to date firmware, and also to use B) Raspbian on a separate SD card to enable what I need

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is all that true? does HAOS provide firmware updates itself? or is there a better guide?

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or can i sudo ssh into it and just run what i need to

cold moon
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it's built into the raspi-imager tool now

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it's a eeprom or bootloader update that the pi needs - if it's a newer pi then it probably already supports usb boot

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that's an old guide that isnt really relevant, but his hardware suggestions and list of supported adapters is still good

spiral vector
twilit relic
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or the latest?

gentle fossil
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plugin a monitor it will tell you what its doing

spiral vector
cold moon
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sorry it's beena while you should just find a guide online

twilit relic
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ok. here's a recent one

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looks way easier nowadays

cold moon
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cool

twilit relic
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now i need to figure out how to migrate

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sd 32bit to ssd usb 64bit

twilit relic
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seems as simple as backup on old, then restore on new

patent river
# spiral vector Specifically this wiring diagram. Does the switch always have power? If so, how ...

Short answer is: sometimes they can't. Was easy with incandescent bulbs, even at 110V the smart switch itself might only draw 10-20mA, which is in no way enough for the bulb to light up (I mean maybe if you pointed a thermal camera at it, but nothing a human could see). With LEDs and some smart switches you do get into situations where the lights won't turn all the way off. A lot of brands sell a "dummy load" device (usually referred to as a "bypass") that you install in parallel with the light to resolve that. Here's an example:
https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000168292-how-to-wire-a-bypass-to-your-nano-dimmer-load-

Aeotec Help Desk
How to wire a bypass to your Nano Dimmer load.

Installing a bypass to your Nano Dimmers load. This guide is part of the larger Nano Dimmer user guide and details how to install a bypass on Nano Dimmers load. It is designed for use with Nano Dimmer when controlling a small power load su...

devout parrot
patent river
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@devout parrot I think they're referring specifically to the no-neutral-wire install where the smart switch draws its power through the bulb.

spiral vector
devout parrot
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The smart switch doesn't draw power through the bulb, iirc there's some kind of circuit wizardry inside the device that "fakes" a neutral wire to complete a circuit for the device to power itself.

devout parrot
patent river
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I'm picking from the manual - despite that Sonoff refer to the entire device as a "relay" - it's not actually switching using a relay at all?
If it was, attaching fluoros with modern electronic ballasts (perhaps not an old-timey wire-wound one) wouldn't be an issue.
The spec sheet though says 6A of resistive (incandescent), but only 1.25A of LEDs, so it must be a triac/mosfet switch.
Yay for mis-using terminology.

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I will also say, I replaced the lights in my garage (and installed new ones under my house) with these cheap waterproof Philips fluoro-shaped LEDs:
https://www.lighting.philips.com/prof/indoor-luminaires/waterproof-and-cleanroom/waterproof-battens/essential-smartbright-waterproof/911401820780_EU/product
Very happy with the result

Philips lighting
WT035C LED30/CW PSU GC CFW L1200 | Philips lighting

Essential Smartbright waterproof is Slim and elegant, offers reliable performance in all weather conditions. It is strong, IP65 and IK06 and provides value for money. | Philips lighting

cold moon
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Welcome to Chinese designed and manufactured equipment a la sonoff

spiral vector
cold moon
devout parrot
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It switches the "hot" wire like your physical switch already does. The neutral wire is up there in your lamp socket.

spiral vector
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I see. I'm pretty sure there is an electronic ballast.
I found some fluoro-shaped LED:s as well, but in that case I might be better off swapping the entire fixture

cold moon
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You can also convert old fluorescents to led strips

spiral vector
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Yeah, that could work

patent river
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While looking around for demonstrations of other people's 2-wire switch installs, I also found this amazing picture: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/shelly-1l-no-neutral/291763
The easy 10mm of exposed 110V wire outside of the screw terminals is a particular highlight, although I'm sure electricians would have some words about putting the switch (5VDC contact, on those Shelly relays) in the same box

Home Assistant Community
Shelly 1L - No Neutral

Hi All, I was hoping you could give me a second set of eyes. I’m having issues setting up Shelly 1L with no neutral. Please see below photo, US wiring. I get no light when the switch is in either position. Wiring the live/load together yields a light. Does this just mean I need the BYPASS? Will the lights not turn on if there is not 20W? ...

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That said, the poster is still active on the forum, so apparently hasn't burned their house down

cold moon
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exposed terminals isnt the problem there the huge amount of exposed bare copper is

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plenty of people who are retarded havent died yet re:house burning down tho

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he's also using a neutral as "live" which is also fun

spiral vector
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Oh, wow. Hopefully that was only temporary at least

cold moon
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It’s best just to tell most people to hire a sparky and run the other way

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I was one of them a few years back

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A noob not a sparky

shell solstice
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are this home assistant compatible?

cold moon
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Yes no maybe

shell solstice
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it says that they work with smart life

shell solstice
cold moon
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LED strips are just a thing

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Controllers control them

shell solstice
shell solstice
cold moon
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You probably bought some analog led strip with some shitty Chinese cloud based tuya Wi-Fi controller

shell solstice
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its says powered by tuya

cold moon
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Ya

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Good news or bad news first?

shell solstice
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bad news

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what about these two?

cold moon
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Probably not worth trying to integrate the controller and best case you cut the controller off and solder on your own

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You’re not buying lots of returned bullshit right?

shell solstice
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and with tickets i can get stuff

cold moon
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To be honest I’d suggest not buying any low end Chinese bullshit dude

shell solstice
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i saw those three things but i was not sure i can put them on home assistant

cold moon
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Can you make it work? Probably

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Should you use it and is it good? No…

shell solstice
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i would use it yes

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if it works with home assistant

shell solstice
cold moon
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Just buy some candy or cocaine instead

devout parrot
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You could probably use it with LocalTuya or tuyalocal, and you could replace the controller and power supply with one that sucks less, but at that point you might as well have bought something decent in the first place.

shell solstice
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mh fine

shell solstice
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lol

cold moon
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Dual color planter is coming out nice

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gloomy spoke
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Looks like a festive grenade

cold moon
terse pebble
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With or without explosives? 🤔

cold moon
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depends on what zip code orders it

jagged crypt
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so validating my understanding(mistake?) here. Picked one of these up to experiment - https://www.gledopto.com/h-nd-144.html - House wiring is Black+White+Copper in switch box. Those are hooked up to a dimmer switch (white house->black on dimmer switch, black house->red dimmer switch, copper->green). USA wiring. Dimmer switch has additional red wire just pigtailed by itself which i assume is 2-pole operation (switch is single). I don't have a neutral on this do i, since I just have two wires in the switch area, and the ground?

Gledopto New Product—— ZigBee 3.0 Triac AC Dimmer - Gledopto

Gledopto ZigBee 3.0 Smart Home Products

devout parrot
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One of those house wires is neutral. Probably the white. Usually it's black: hot, white: neutral, bare: ground.

jagged crypt
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that was my understanding, black hot, white-neutral, this is a led dimmer switch (and swapping in a dimmer zigbee module, and ignoring for now that the unit wanta momentary switch vs on/off)

cold moon
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Black will be both line (hot) and load (going to light bulb etc)

jagged crypt
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I guess my question is I only have three wires (b/w/g) in the junction box, not sure how to wire into power and into light switch.

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as i look at the wiring diagram on the above URL

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my understanding previously was the switch was inline on the black/white, and just regulated 120v that "flowed" through it to dim. Meaning the return on the lights, aren't in the junction box. This may be incorrect assumption on my part.

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went from renting to owning a house in the past week, and went from having hue bulbs everywhere to led recessed cans everywhere with two-wire plugs. So I need to either invest in "a lot" of recessed hue lights, or other 6" zigbee lights, or see if I can put a handful of zigbee switches into the junction boxes.

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(or at least that's my thinking, the ultimate outcome is back to what i had, which was motion sensors working with most of the house, and i left all the wall switches alone)

tawny viper
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How old is the house?

jagged crypt
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built in 1980, "renovated" two years ago by flippers who gutted it (put obvious caveats on flippers)

drifting grove
torn summit
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Hi i need help to get a snapshot from my Netatmo Outdoo Camera. I have allready installed the integration, i have a stream coming in. But the sensor doesnt work, the detect a human. And when human detected i would like to send a snapshot to my TelegramBot. Any ideas about the snapshot.

winged knoll
torn summit
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im sorry, ill ask it there

winged knoll
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Do read channel topics 😉

torn summit
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i was looking in the support section lol

agile olive
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Hi guys! I had my HA running on a raspberry pi 4 with 4gb of RAM and yes... my sdcard failed me 😦 I know, I know... I'm "another pi victim".

With that out of the way, I'm trying to understand what would be the best option to replace the PI.

I was using the PI only to run HA but now I want to have something more advanced that allows me to use it as HA, Plex Server, ownCloud, maybe as a ISP router alternative. In one way or another, I want something more versatile.

There are some conditions nevertheless:

  1. I need something with a power consumption not to high;
  2. I don't want a rack size hardware;

Any suggestions on what should I get? It can be a "new" product or something "second-hand"

Thanks in advance!

jagged crypt
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at least a couple of us are running i5-6500t small form factor boxes with proxmox

winged knoll
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Almost any small form factor PC from the last decade

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The channel history has lots of advice

jagged crypt
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plex server doesn't use any CPU if you aren't doing transcoding, make the client do the decoding 🙂

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under $200 for a i5-6500, 16gigs of ram, and 1tb nvram SSD with ease

agile olive
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@jagged crypt I think it was you that gave me that advice some weeks ago 🙂

jagged crypt
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probably, just moved in the past week, so going through rebuild of things here

agile olive
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I didn't had the time to investigate more but I'm commited to change now

jagged crypt
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where are you located? (country)

agile olive
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Portugal

jagged crypt
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ug, ebay redirected me 🙂

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anyways, search for "thinkcentre tiny" i5-6500 optionally

agile olive
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it was not you that gave me that link before 😄

jagged crypt
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there are new items that would be <$50 usd/eur more

agile olive
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anyway, another user suggest the "lenovo thinkcentre m910q", for example

jagged crypt
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yea, the "tiny" is the series, so you should be able to get hits

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requirements on these things, MUST INCLUDE power supply

agile olive
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what about the specs? should I point to what?

jagged crypt
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as mentioned above, horsepower is not going to be your problem

agile olive
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what about ram?

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not a problem either?

jagged crypt
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depends how many other things you are running

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these units seem to max at 16gigs

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or at least "cheaply"

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if you are just running HA, then 16gigs is way overkill

agile olive
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for sure: HA, Plex server or similar, my own cloud in some way, maybe hosting some local websites

jagged crypt
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I run proxmox as a hypervisor, and run HA with 4gigs of ram, and another linux box (running dns/dhcp) with another 4 gigs of ram. And have 16 in the system.

agile olive
agile olive
jagged crypt
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all these things are 25-40 eur, but it adds up. At the same time, spending 25 EUR now, to save hours later and just not worry about memory stuff is well worth it to me, your need to evaluate your time/cost ratio

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the 360EUR option is probably super overkill, but will happily transcode for you

agile olive
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maybe something like this would do the trick?

Lenovo Thinkcentre M73 tiny version:

  • i5 4570T
  • 16g ddr3
  • SSD 240gb

(it's one of the items on that site)

jagged crypt
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the 190EU - m920q, i5-9600t, 16gig ram, 256 ssd is probably good

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i went with i5-6500 series because it allows remote console

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pro-vt or something, mentioned in the servethehome link above. the i5-4000 series are a couple years even older, and will happily run HA without much issue, but would step up to something like the i5-9600t item i posted

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lisbon area though

agile olive
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yes, it's right at the corner where I am 🙂

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205 usd. it seems a bit expensive, or am I wrong?

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35W TDP... it's a lot more than my pi

jagged crypt
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you are paying for the newer CPU, both will consume about the same power, the newer cpu will be about 2x the speed

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i have a 6500t system, here's the power consumption

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it idles at 15 watts

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also a 35watt tdp unit

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130EU vs 205EU is a big jump, but i'm not sure i would go with the older cpu because i wanted the remote console (HA is closet, my desktop is not)

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the only i5-6500t unit is 190eur (m710q), which i would jump to the 205eu one instead

agile olive
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ok the idle at 15 watts is more pleasant. I't not that much money in a year but I'm just trying to get everything in my head

jagged crypt
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yeah, no issues, if you aren't doing transcoding, then plex is just a file server effectively, so no extra power

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i push out to clients with hardware decoding (roku) so no need to transcode anything

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anyways, there are HP and Dell versions of those servers you can look at also

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but that's the ballpark range

agile olive
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so, if I get it correctly, there are many options, of course, but we are talking about two examples on that site:

1 - i5 4570T, 16gb ddr3, SSD 240gb - 130€
2 - i5 9500T, 16gb ddr4, SSD 256gb - 190€

the second one has a 35W TDP so let's assume it will idle at 15W like the one you have.
I would get more performance, the remote console and I can have HAOS I assume right?

jagged crypt
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both are 35watt TDP cpu's

agile olive
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ok so that is the same, one less thing to worry

jagged crypt
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older and slower doesn't mean less power (wattage)

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you can run HAOS natively, or in a hypervisor (I use proxmox, free)

agile olive
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the other user suggested proxmox so that is what I was thinking

glacial oracle
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If encoding should be something needed, those N(100) based systems will do very well

jagged crypt
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@tacit burrow probably, who did this conversion awhile back also 🙂

agile olive
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btw @jagged crypt one is 130€, the other is 190€. 205 was 190€ in usd

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so like 35% more for the newer processor

glacial oracle
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I mean it's a decade old hardware

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Realistically you could get that from your local recycling facility

agile olive
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you're right. I work on a big telecomunications company... maybe I will ask there

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maybe there are some in some bins

jagged crypt
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worth an ask

glacial oracle
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Yea before you go any spend money on old stuff

agile olive
glacial oracle
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Kinda any core2duo will allow you do do more :)

agile olive
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the only thing I want to guarantee (I forgot to say) is that I need to use my SONOFF-ZB Dongle USB and I also want to buy a Google Coral. I'm assuming I will not have any issues, or should I worry?

jagged crypt
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there are new systems in the ~250eur price probably, so the comparision is money, actual perf difference, and build quailty (these business sff's are built well)

glacial oracle
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I got a sonoff e dongle running through proxmox into has
No issues with it so far

jagged crypt
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I run a sonoff-e zigbee stick in my system (on extension cord), and map the USB directly to the VM

agile olive
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ok great

jagged crypt
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so yes, no issue 🙂

glacial oracle
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You may want to check usb speeds as proxmox likes to not guess that right
But really it ain't going to do any traffic

jagged crypt
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coral USB should be the same thing

agile olive
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I was also looking at a synology nas but it's not so flexible right?

glacial oracle
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Yea but that may need a dedicated port instead of a hub
As it draws some more power I heard

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Well if you like not to worry, syno nas systems are great

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Just not inexpensive

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And not that great performers

jagged crypt
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synology is more plug-n-play, so depends on how much time you want to spend also

glacial oracle
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It isn't that great to integrate around or into it from my experience

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It does provide a very convenient storage and backup method

jagged crypt
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i have little to no experience with them, so default to Horstexplorer

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(I run multiple linux servers with samba, plex, etc, as I've been doing that for years. IE, I self host a lot of this stuff, and don't need the plug-n-play option)

glacial oracle
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I kinda just bought it to not have to worry about me configuring raids properly

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Throq ssds in there with 10gig networking, go broke, cry
But it works

agile olive
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ok, is not worth thinking about in a "new" hardware similar to the one's we're talking right? The second-hand solution would do the job, any new product would be more expensive right?

jagged crypt
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I swapped from linux raid over to ZFS about 18 months ago

glacial oracle
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Biggest issue is that the bays you buy is kinda all you ever will have. Expansion units cost like the same as a new nas

agile olive
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I already forgot the NAS, it's really more expensive and I think it's less flexible

glacial oracle
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Yea it will have issues to work around if you want to make it work in your way

jagged crypt
glacial oracle
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May I suggest another project

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ocis™️

jagged crypt
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yup, I need to look at swapping out owncloud

glacial oracle
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From what I've tried it works so much better at doing it's job without thousands of timeouts

jagged crypt
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it's been on my list of things to figure out, just need to find the dedicated time to try it out. more pressure with the owncloud php issues

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anyways, gotta bail, back later

agile olive
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thanks guys for your help and suggestions. I will ask tomorrow if there are some of these in my company that will go to the bin. If not, maybe I will go to the 190€ one in that site, as suggested

tacit burrow
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Yup I have lots of success with 6500t and 7500t

empty summit
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does anybody know how I change aqara's vibration's sensitivity? using zigbee2mqtt

agile olive
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does the Lenovo Thinkcentre m920q Tiny have bluetooth?

thorn cape
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Hey i am building my Home automation basicly on ESPhome. House wich i bought has already some low Voltage infrastructure. All rooms have cables instaled for CCTV system witch was never used. Unfortunetly its not ethernet cables its just a simple 6 unpaired (untwisted) rails. But since i want to use ESP i can make all Logic via WiFi and Bluetooth. And i just want to use those CCTV cables to send power to every device From one central PSU. Since some of the cables could be quite long and some of them will be short i will always need to use some Voltage regulator on the device site (at least that is my asumption) so to make things more efecient i am thinking to put a higher DC Voltage and use step down dc-dc converter on decice site. Now What do you think. What Voltage to use on that DC rail. Higher Voltage is always less power loss. I checked the specifications of those cables and they are rated to max 48V. But in other means if i put higher Voltage than 25V than this instalation is No longer considered as a low Voltage. Witch creates a lot of problems with and extra work with documentation safety regulations and so… i can go for 24V witch will be fine. Always easy to handle backup power supply by a pair of standard batteries. But i want to know What do you think about it. What Voltage would you prefer in that situation to be cost Effective and usefull…. I am wondering What is Your thoughts…

nimble pecan
rich venture
patent river
agile olive
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how do I know which is?

patent river
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That said, it is possible that the Realtek Bluetooth would work fine even if the WiFi doesn't. At least for the Intel cards, weirdly the WiFI adapter is PCIe but the Bluetooth is USB (go figure how they came up with that idea), so either one can operate without the other (indeed, you can do VM passthrough independently for the two)

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I don't know about Lenovo, but for the Dell stuff that I am most familiar with you can put the serial number into the support website and it'll give you the specs of the system as it shipped from the factory

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Perhaps they have something similar

agile olive
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ok. I will ask the person selling the unit to confirm

tacit burrow
tacit burrow
cold moon
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either way it's more performant to use esp32 bluetooth proxies instead of bt on your hass device

tacit burrow
agile olive
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is that one for me?

cold moon
thorn cape
outer knotBOT
cold moon
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link at the bottom^

tacit burrow
patent river
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As I said, "perhaps they have something similar"; I don't own anything made by Lenovo so going to their support site isn't going to help me find out one way or another 🙃

noble cipher
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Doing some research into whole home energy monitoring, specifically using CT clamps. So far, it seems like the Shelly EM or Shelly 3EM are solid options. I prefer zigbee, but at least Shelly can be set up as local-only.

Does anyone have suggestions on other products I should look into? I'm in the US, have a solar system too.

tacit burrow
patent river
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No harm, no foul 🙂

glacial oracle
noble cipher
glacial oracle
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It does measure the voltage
But no it is because ha does not know about phases but sees them as individual sources which it effectively isnt

noble cipher
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Ohh I see what you mean. Solar generated - grid used = return?

glacial oracle
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Yes that would be a possibility

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In the end your meter will bill you for the sum of all phases at any moment which is kinda a big difference

noble cipher
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I'm not sure I want to set it up (at least at first) to price track or anything, so I could probably do without. Energy company gives almost nothing for return anyways

glacial oracle
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Well yes but the numbers don't match then

noble cipher
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True. Do you recommend a different system you like better than Shelly?

glacial oracle
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I haven't tried others but besides this kinda easy to resolve issue it works pretty well

noble cipher
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Could it be solved by buying an additional Shelly EM to directly measure return as well? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I haven't actually purchased the house yet and haven't been able to get eyes on the system, very new to me

glacial oracle
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No it does that just fine, you just need to calculate an effective sum of it for home assistant to show the correct number

noble cipher
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I see. It'll probably be a lot more clear to me once I've seen how the system works and have some devices to play around with.

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Thanks for the insight!

glacial oracle
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Sure thing

ember lagoon
cold moon
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Oh god

cold moon
ember lagoon
cold moon
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Choosing to use an unsupported installation method is fine, although ignorant, but it’s not okay to suggest it to others

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https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/linux#install-home-assistant-supervised ```

This way of running Home Assistant will require the most of you. It also has strict requirements you need to follow.

Unless you really need this installation type, you should install Home Assistant OS (this can also be a virtual machine), or Home Assistant Container.

First make sure you understand the requirements.
This installation method has very strict requirements, for example, it only supports Debian (and Ubuntu, Armbian, Raspberry Pi OS are not supported). So, make sure you understand the requirements from step 1 above.```
ember lagoon
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If I install HAOS I cannot view the Home Assistant Dashboard UI on reTerminal LCD. If we install Home Assistant Container on reTerminal, we will be missing out on several Home Assistant features.If we install Home Assistant Supervised on reTerminal, we will be able to use all the features of Home Assistant and be able to view the dashboard UI on reTerminal LCD as well. Thats why choose this method.

cold moon
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It doesn’t matter

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Your installation will fail sometime in the future

ashen apex
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Does anyone know of any Zigbee remotes with > 4 buttons? Want to code up my own remote using a combination of IR blaster and API calls to other services.

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Plenty with 4 buttons, but I was hoping for 8 or so (or a 5-way rocker and a few more).

cold moon
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A guy on Reddit reused an old tv remote and ir to just make a shitload of automations with

ashen apex
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Unfortunately the IR blaster isn't in view - and I don't know of any (or a HA function) to sit them in listen mode continuously.

cold moon
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You can buy a bridge like bond or broadlink or build a cheap one with an esp32

ashen apex
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I have Broadlinks, but I don't know how you'd get HA to sit in listen mode permanently (and then respond to incoming signals).

cold moon
ashen apex
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Yeah, none of them have enough buttons unfortunately. Will see what I can find on AliExpress.

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Hmm, I have an old ShieldTV remote that might work. Would just need to BT pair it to something then forward those commands on...

cold moon
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Neat

ashen apex
cold moon
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Ya that is neat

tawny viper
cold moon
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Another use for BLE proxies

tawny viper
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I love that remote, but it is REALLY WEIRD

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and you should be using z2m to with it. a million times easier to assign a specific zigbee group id

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button 1 = zigbee channel 101, button 2, zigbee channel 102

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but would need only zigbee devices

ashen apex
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I guess short term I do have a spare 5 button Tradfri that I could start setting things up in 🙂

cold moon
ashen apex
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LOL, well I mean it looked good from the image... not so much from the description!

glad silo
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Hi I’m a new to discord with HA , trying to get data from usb485 device that uses modbus data from a solar inverter. Seemingly the device is discovered and it’s tx lights indicate activity but no data received , any wizards ? I believe there’s a growing community of HA users wanting data from solar

proper frost
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Time to migrate lmao

patent river
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Yeesh, and I thought shipping to here in New Zealand was bad

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Try this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/386025948237
There are plenty of these thin clients out there going for under $50. That's one of the comparatively higher-end ones, with a 64GB M.2 SSD instead of the standard 16 or 32GB eMMC (and 8GB of RAM instead of 4GB, but you can upgrade them to 16GB).
Plenty of processing power, and as a bonus people say they measure only around 3.5W at the wall at idle (compares pretty well to a Pi 4B @ ~2.8W)

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zealous dune
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or get a modern N100 based minipc

patent river
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Has an E-key M.2 slot you could put a Coral in too, if that's your jam

real lark
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So err, I'm newish to homeassistant

Bought a usb nRF52840 device. Is it as simple as flashing a firmware file to get it working automatically with home assistant?

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The zigbee setup seemed too complicated for me so I'm just going for thread

(feel free to @ me to get me to respond, I have bad attention span)

drifting grove
real lark
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I mean I'd take anything as long as its easy enough with the device

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I heard that zigbee requires editing configs so that's what kinda scared me off

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Altho ive ordered skyconnect aswell now, which probably renders the nRF52840 pointless

drifting grove
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yeah it will

real lark
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Crud

drifting grove
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well, what do you plan on doing with the skyconnect?

real lark
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Making a zigbee and open-thread border router with the pi using HASS OS

drifting grove
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i wouldnt reccomned using the multi protocol add-on, just isnt reccomended for the best experience

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i would just run either thread, or zigbee on the sky connect

sudden minnow
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I ended up with a Skyconnect having bought a conbee and a RF52840, the Skyconnect works well for Zigbee, not experimented with Thread yet.

drifting grove
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Thread is even better

real lark
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Zigbee it is then, thread is on my nest hub and tizen tv. Which unfortunately show up as separate networks

drifting grove
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it will

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see the post made in #thread-archived and read the article, you will understand why

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people just dont like sharing credentals

real lark
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Yeah I couldn't get it to work with thread provisioning app because of passwords but I'm assuming skyconnect will work with it?

Have people been able to flash custom firmware and use it in places other than home assistant ?

drifting grove
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also, its pointless having a thread network with no end/client devices

real lark
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I'm sorta getting the system ready first and planning ahead with the end-client devices in the future

drifting grove
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sure

real lark
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And partly did all this on impulse, it's easier to set up HASS on a pi than I thought. Altho the app side of things was less easy

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I suppose I'll find a list of firmware now, any pointers on where to look for HASS-friendly nRF52840 firmware?

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Got the nrf connect app, hopefully I just plug it into my phone and flash it just like that

Forgive me if this is wordy to the extent of spam but is it wishful thinking to think that the smartthings dongle could be used in these places or is it locked to samsung tvs instead?

tacit wadi
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Does anyone know of a device controlling the power to one or more USB ports, preferrably 433 Mhz, but just not Wifi ?

glacial oracle
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That sounds a lot like a weird solution for a random issue

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Surely you could rig something together with a relay in-between the power line of such USB port or in software for the controller
But that seems like a weird solution

woeful pawn
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Hi. Everyone knows that HA don't like CTT modes of WLED, So I played around recently with RGBWW strips with WLED. After that I connected WS2812 to the same Wemos D1 Mini, changing WLED settings respectively. But HA still refuses WLED integration even it got WS2812 with right settings. What could be the reason of this? Maybe WLED stores some metadata that not changed or maybe it's wifi router's fail?

cold moon
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It does work with cct with a workaround

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Otherwise double check wled settings set to rgb or whatever for ws2812b

woeful pawn
vague salmon
#

What are your favorite hardware manufs?

unkempt fox
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Hey 🙂
I need a Wifi/LAN Zigbee Gateway. Does anyone have expierience with one model that works well with homeassistent?

static horizon
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Does anyone know if there's a way to interface with hardwired door / motion sensors? Moved into a house with an obsolete automation system and security system. Not sure which these sensors are connected to, but figured I'd ask as far as possible options with using them.

fringe crater
static horizon
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I've got a multimeter, but not sure about the extent of my electrical understanding 🙂

fringe crater
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I have an ESP that monitors the voltage on some of mine, and the line from the contact sensors feeds into one of the ADCs.

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connected inside your security panel/box.

static horizon
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oh interesting

fringe crater
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needed a small voltage divider to bring it to the correct voltage range for the ESP

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it would help to start by checking the terminals and see what the voltage is when the sensor is open, and what it is when it is closed.

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you can also buy something like a Konnected panel, which is a more costly but probably less hackish solution. I think that has to strictly replace your current system though

static horizon
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hmm, might be worth looking in to.

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Thanks for the info

fringe crater
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not sure if it can run in parallel

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using the ESP on the side doesn't interfere with the existing system, it's strictly monitoring only.

static horizon
winged knoll
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ESPs but pre-done for you

static horizon
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Prob. would want to go that route if I wanted to integrate with the keypad though I guess, otherwise would be fine with DIY stuff?

drifting ember
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if so, are you happy with it?

zealous dune
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Why luck? It ain't roulette...

tacit burrow
cold moon
tacit burrow
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ah yeah wrong link. I have the cc one, I just googled

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Mine might not be on the site, sec

cold moon
tacit burrow
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Yeah, they must have changed the packaging since I bought it. Mine is round.

cold moon
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@marsh lichen are these cc2652p ones coming back in stock soon?

tacit burrow
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mine is tubezb-cc2652p2-ethusb-2022

marsh lichen
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Just added more

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Making a batch tonight

cold moon
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How’s that hand 🤚

cold moon
tacit burrow
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@unkempt fox 👆 da man

cold moon
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Just eth

tacit burrow
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Nah, mine probably predates poe. And I didn't have any poe supply until I switch to new switches/ap recently anyway

cold moon
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@marsh lichen can the non PoE ones be converted with an olimex PoE kit?

tacit burrow
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Mine is connected to an old iphone usb supply. with an annoyingly short (like 15cm) cable :/

cold moon
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Rip

tacit burrow
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No point in buying a new one just to switch from usb-power to poe, especially given I'd have to re-pair everything, which is a big headache

marsh lichen
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No upgrade path until new 2023 units

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You can get a PoE splitter too

cold moon
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Yea

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But what’s the fun in that

tacit burrow
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I would like to move the coordinator, current location is not good for wife-acceptance-factor.

cold moon
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Ya $10 PoE splitter then

tacit burrow
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haha plus $50 shipping 🙂

cold moon
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I mean from Amazon

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Not tube

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Usb c or micro usb?

tacit burrow
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They split poe into ethernet plus usbc? (hmm, I don't remember)

cold moon
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so PoE from switch gives you power and eth to your device

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they're a cheap way to get low voltage dc power to devices far away

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i use one for my wall tablet

tacit burrow
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Nice. I need to figure out where I've got POE then. At the moment I'm only using it for my APs, and one of my security cams.

patent river
tacit burrow
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I moved to AU but thanks for the link 🙂

cold moon
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well.. assuming you buy a fancy switch

tacit burrow
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Checking if mine is fancy enough, hahaha

patent river
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Guessing micro from the solder pads on that PCB - the 5 in a line is typical of micro-B ports (2nd picture, next to "USB1" text on the PCB)

cold moon
tacit burrow
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It's in another building, cbf walking in there

cold moon
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or we can bug @marsh lichen again and ask him if your old model is usb-c or micro-usb

cold moon
marsh lichen
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only 2023 is usb-c

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and it looks more like the poe

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shape wise

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anything round / square was micro usb

cold moon
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holy crap

tacit burrow
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ok thanks. I can't see that my switch supports turning power on and off, though the APs do.

cold moon
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@tacit burrow you guys are getting raked across the coals for cheap chinese stuff

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these should be $10-15 max

cold moon
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aps dont provide power

patent river
cold moon
#

thought your cheaper tp link stuff had feature parity to unifi

tacit burrow
#

Mine have one poe-passthrough as well as being poe themselves.

cold moon
#

i see

tacit burrow
#

Just digging into the port config for the switches...

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I can see a bunch of usbc ones for AU$18 ish but not micro-usb yet. Looking into port config at the moment.

cold moon
patent river
#

They don't think it be like it is, but it do 😦

cold moon
#

tbh you can probably go to a local electronics store and find a PoE to micro usb splitter

#

they've been around for a long time and most cheap ones arent even GbE so it can be an old one that's been on the shelf for 10 years

marsh lichen
#

or grab one from Ali likely better price than amz local au.

cold moon
#

are there exposed pins to power from tube?

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err header pins already on for it i mean

marsh lichen
#

for poe?

cold moon
#

nah just power since he has eth ran there

#

idk just thinking outside the box lol

marsh lichen
#

it has pin for 3.3v

tacit burrow
#

Ah, I can turn off port power, I was being blind.

cold moon
#

didnt you and first add that to the hass integration?

tacit burrow
#

Hahah, the hass integration is cr*p

cold moon
#

not a great looking ui

drifting ember
cold moon
tacit burrow
#

🤷 That's just part of the popup for a single switch. There's tabs and stuff. Graphs etc are elsewhere.

cold moon
#

i'd go ecobee or use a zwave or zigbee one

drifting ember
#

and I don't have to wait on something to ship

cold moon
cold moon
patent river
#

Wow, I mean I had heard that Omada was copying UniFi's homework, but I hadn't realised it was quite so blatant

tacit burrow
#

FWIW the 10/100 port is a computer that switched off but has remote management. Love It.

cold moon
drifting ember
cold moon
drifting ember
#

and I dunno if you know, but it's holy fuck degrees Fahrenheit here

cold moon
#

you could also diy with esphome

#

but ya

#

i understand the want to just git r done

drifting ember
cold moon
#

you can always resell to another not-as-cool-nerd later

drifting ember
#

nah, I can always give it to my mom

cold moon
#

ya that

drifting ember
#

I asked em why they don't even have a Sensibo

#

apparently I'm the only person that's asked about a smart AC from their shop

cold moon
#

well

drifting ember
#

but then again I live in a country where fuckers think a 10SEER AC is 'a good deal'

cold moon
drifting ember
#

and that 13SEER is 'top of the line'

#

I'm like y'all realize these are fucking illegal in the United States right?

#

lmfao

drifting ember
cold moon
#

ya but a lot of them are just chinese with 99% same components

#

when installing it i bet you find a usb port

#

if so, it almost guaranteed can have an esp32 added later

#

and even if it doesnt you can still use an esp32 with an ir transceiver setup to mimic a remote

#

but that's a bit more hacky

patent river
#

Pretty sure that's approximately what's inside a Sensibo 😄

#

They work pretty well, my major complaint when I was using one was I couldn't disable the heat pump's beep. Like me my silent changes

cold moon
#

or a tiny hammer

drifting ember
#

oh I know I can hack it up later

patent river
#

Or the heat pump dying and getting quoted 60% of the price of a brand new one to repair, so being replaced by one with built-in WiFi (with local control even; Mitsubishi with "EchoNET Lite")

cold moon
#

i'll be moving to all ductless mini splits eventually

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just dont have the funds

drifting ember
#

I was gonna hack it up, but when it's hot as balls you don't want to solder

patent river
#

Turns out they've ratcheted up the price of R410a in this country to about $800+tax / kg to try and encourage people to move to less environmentally-ruinous refrigerants. So was looking at $1300 just for the recharge, assuming you could even find the replacement coil for a obviously-Australian-market unit that had clearly been flogged off on the cheap in New Zealand.

drifting ember
#

oh damn

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they only charge ~$75 for a gas up with R410a here

patent river
#

You know it's bad when you say "r410, 1.4kg" to the person on the phone at the HVAC service company and hear a stifled giggle down the line

snow tundra
#

Before I go chasing rabbits, is anyone else having trouble with the UniFi integration?

solemn wolf
patent river
#

Wish I could have gone ducted, but wasn't really on the cards at that particular juncture

solemn wolf
#

ah yeah i know the kind, would've done the same in that situation

patent river
snow tundra
#

Ended up in a rabbit hole, it's probably not the integration's fault. UDMP is stuck in a weird state

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It's still running 1.x firmware because the 2.x upgrade was stalled due to a hung update to protect (which I don't even use) and now it refuses to take the upgrade claiming it's out of disk space (It's not) and that's where I am now.

#

Once I get that sorted out I'll see if the integration is still busted

patent river
#

Ah. Can't remotely help you there. Still a CK2+ user for cameras, replaced my switches/APs with other brands a while back

snow tundra
#

Ultimately the unifi stuff is really well priced for its performance and feature set, and it's usually pretty trouble free.....

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Main thing was just that it was the only sanely priced hardware that supported >1gbe back when I bought it

cold moon
#

Udmp should be on UniFi os 3.x dude…

snow tundra
#

It's less far behind than it sounds, since 2.x and 1.x ran side by side for a long time.

#

But yeah it's behind, because the update got wedged and there's no system for alerting the updates failed. Further, unifi network is still up to date, only the OS is behind (which you would only find out by going to system on the main page and checking the updates tab, something you never have any reason to do)

jagged crypt
#

UDMP 3.0 works fine, DISABLE/uninstall the integration while doing the upgrades suggested by unifi

#

running a udmp 3.1.15, using it for tracking cell phones on the local wifi for presence

snow tundra
#

The fix ended up being going into SSH and manually removing the apps I wasn't using. They wouln't update or uninstall in the UI but via SSH they could be removed and that fixed the update

jagged crypt
#

yeah, I had an issue awhile back where i couldn't "uninstall" apps, they appear to have fixed that now, but chicken-egg issue was there for you it sounds like

#

I've got a simple setup with udmp and dual isp's and 3 AP's, upgrade on it went fine (I removed boostchicken stuff before doing any upgrades)

snow tundra
#

The integration's working fine now after updating thankfully

hidden marsh
#

Hi everyone. have not found anything on the internet on this.
Question: Can I host the SkyConnect dongle on a different machine than HA and connect to it via IP?

Background: Got HA running on an old machine in docker, want to retire that and move HA to Docker on a Synology - which is horrible with USB devices.
I am able to plug my Conbee II in a Raspberry Pi and add it to HA via its IP.
--> But I would like to buy a new SkyConnect dongle.

zealous dune
#

technically yes if you forward the USB port via ser2net or socat from the different machine

peak lark
#

Hello, what is your opinion on the performance of Skyconnect? I have the Conbee II, and after migrating to Skyconnect, my remote devices started disconnecting. Also, when I control a group of lights, sometimes rapidly turning them on/off causes errors. When I look at the signal strength, for example, for one device, it's 255 on Conbee II and 168 on Skyconnect. I thought SkyConnect was a quality new hardware, but it seems that might not be true.

winged knoll
#

The strength number can't be compared between sticks though

peak lark
winged knoll
hidden marsh
zealous dune
#

why not get an ethernet zigbee gateway instead?

hidden marsh
# zealous dune why not get an ethernet zigbee gateway instead?

I was reviewing some but could not decide if its a good option regarding device support etc.
So basically I don't know about them too much and wanted to go with a known device or officially supported by HA. I had the Ikea hub once and it was shit. My existing Hue bridge does not seem to work for some devices either.

worldly oyster
loud lake
#

Hey guys, im looking for a CO (carbon monoxide) detector which can be integrated in HA. Do you have any suggestions?

drifting ember
cold moon
agile olive
jagged crypt
# agile olive hi <@532004461263192064> sorry to bother you. Just to get this out of the way. T...

depends on your needs, the price doesn't include memory or disk, so you have another cost, it'll be slightly slower depending on your needs. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4412vs3454/Intel-Celeron-N5105-vs-Intel-i5-9500T (about 60% the perf in single thread speeds). Idle power is probably lower (10tdp vs 35tdp), peak power is very much less. If you want to run more stuff on it, you'll want to pitch in more ram. $220 USD - https://www.newegg.com/intel-nuc-11-atkc4/p/2SW-000B-003S1 Build quality should be good (intel nucs). My guess is you'll be looking at $250 usd for something like this in the end (before VAT since you are buying new). It looks good to me, just depends on what your goal is, and how much you want to spend.

cold moon
#

Does N series have an igpu that openvino and other things can use for hardware transcoding etc?

jagged crypt
#

not sure, i push transcoding playback to clients as much as possible

cold moon
#

Ya but say he wants to use frigate later, the 6500t can use openvino if he doesn’t have a coral for object detection

jagged crypt
#

plex not frigate i thought

loud lake
tawny viper
#

any suggestions on something to measure amount of direct sunlight i get in a day? the bluetooth sensors dont have enough range?

golden thorn
#

Zigbee "LUX" sensors perhaps?

cold moon
tawny viper
#

I dont think they could reach that far outside

patent river
#

You might also find that neither are most of them designed to live outside. Might last a couple of years if you're lucky, but liable to turn their toes up early from moisture ingress.

#

So many IP20 (if they even achieve that) rated devices

golden thorn
#

Put them in a plastic bag, tupperware, whatever 😄

agile olive
golden thorn
#

Put proxmox on it 😉

agile olive
#

I'm just hopping that I can run HAOS as it is intended to. I mean, with all the features and use Frigate and so on

#

btw, I don't have many devices to connect to HA, I can count them by the fingers os my hands but I want to expand

golden thorn
#

Don't see why not. HAOS works fine in a VM and is much easier to troubleshoot that way too. Not all that familiar with frigate

agile olive
jagged crypt
#

I run haos in a proxmox vm

agile olive
#

at 0.13usd the kWh and running 24/7, I think the power consumption is not a lot

jagged crypt
#

@agile olive you're in a area of hardware where things are +/- 30 USD/EUR

#

I pay >$0.40 USD kwh, but thankfully the house I just moved into came with a massive solar setup

agile olive
#

where are you located? just curiosity

#

0.40 is a lot

jagged crypt
#

northern california

#

the bill is mixed, it's like 0.27 for energy, and anotehr 0.13 for transport, net net, >0.40 a kwh

agile olive
#

ok ok

#

anyway, I always think about the cost because the idea (of course!) is to have this running 24/7

jagged crypt
#

June 7-July 8, house usage was 560 kwh, bill was $253.03 USD, == $0.4518 kwh

agile olive
#

if the bill is lower due to automations but then I pay for the brain to work, it's irrelevant

wooden fossil
agile olive
wooden fossil
#

Think I spent about $200 for a barebones one with a 1tb ssd and 16gb memory

jagged crypt
agile olive
agile olive
#

it's like if the government owns the sun

#

🙂

wooden fossil
#

I imagine the restore isn't going to get everything back up, but we'll see.

jagged crypt
#

haha, i just moved out of the city (two weeks ago lived in oakland, california)

wooden fossil
#

I just moved from paying .35-.50 cents/kwh to .09 for the first 500 and .15 after that

#

So nice lol

agile olive
#

😄

wooden fossil
#

Yeah. No more PG&E for me.

#

well except for gas

agile olive
#

😄

jagged crypt
#

no gas here, just electric, and I'm sending it back. Will see how thing change in the winter time (re: PG&E)

agile olive
#

I'm all electric also

#

not me, the house 😛

wooden fossil
#

Nice. My fiance was portugese.

jagged crypt
#

haven't been to lisbon, closest I've been is Barcelona (yes I know that's spain....)

agile olive
jagged crypt
#

I guess technically Rabat is closer (been there also)

agile olive
#

anyway, in an apartment is not easy to lower the bill. I still can have some solar panels but is not ideal

agile olive
jagged crypt
#

Zephirus, yeah, 175 kwh isn't bad. My 560 was two of us doing normal things. This new place, we have aircon, but effectively get it for free from the solar (which is nice, because we're on track for 3x energy usage, and temps are higher here)

agile olive
#

two person here also but one week on vacations (yes, I'm always on vacations)

jagged crypt
#

congrats on the vacations!

agile olive
#

working from home3/4 days

#

it's less expensive here in fact. not the same for salaries 😄

jagged crypt
#

anyways, to bring it back to "topic of channel", i think you have the the idea of comparisions of what you are looking to do. Someone earlier mentioned, are you trying to use frigate? Or just plex? (in addition to the HAOS)

agile olive
#

I had HAOS with integrated frigate (I can have standalone, right) but I want it in HA

jagged crypt
#

I haven't tackled frigate yet, obviously running inside a hypervisor gives you the ability to run other things stand alone if you want

agile olive
#

I just had HA because I was using a PI, so no room for more. Now, besides HA, I want to use Plex (or similar), have some sort of own cloud (don't need anything fancy) and I will for sure use it to create other vms for other stuff

wooden fossil
#

If you get something more powerful you can easily run all that stuff in docker containers.. no need for full blown vm's

jagged crypt
#

not sure there's much different impact on vm's vs docker containers, whatever you are more comfortable with 🙂

#

proxmox has lxc containers, but no personal experience with limitations with them

wooden fossil
#

containers should be more resource efficient

agile olive
#

damn! the one I was going to buy is gone 😦 The lenovo thinkcentre tiny m920q i5 9500t 16gb-ddr4 ssd 256gb for 190€

jagged crypt
#

in theory yes, in practice, you're going to end up with shared resources across your VM's already in the hypervisor

agile olive
wooden fossil
#

Honestly I had no issues running HA in docker either, I just want to move it to my IOT network for matter/thread and having its own hardware will make it a bit more robust.

jagged crypt
#

you can run a docker-vm (with multiple containers) + a haos-vm in proxmox.... 🙂

agile olive
#

ok, so the "good one" is gone

#

I have these options for now:

#

ThinkCentre M710Q tiny, i3 7100, 8G DDR4, SSD 256Gb (150€)
ThinkCentre M715Q tiny, AMD PRO A6-8570E 3GHz, 8Gb RAM SSD 240Gb (163€)
ThinkCentre M73 tiny, i5 4th generation 4590 3.3ghz, 8GB RAM, SSD 128GB (75€)
ThinkCentre M720Q tiny, i3-9100T, 16GB RAM, SSD 128GB (160€)
ThinkCentre M73 tiny, i5 4570T, 16GB RAM, SSD 240GB (130€)

golden thorn
#

Without actually researching them the 9100T looks the most appealing to me

agile olive
#

it's the one with best performance

glacial oracle
#

without searching stay away from those amd ones

agile olive
#

but the TDP is 51W and the 4590 is 84W!

#

yes, the AMD is out already 😄

#

the 9500T (the one that is gone) was only 35W, I think I missed a good deal

zealous dune
#

35w shouldn't be "only"

agile olive
#

@jagged crypt does this 9100T have the feature you were talking about? the remote something

jagged crypt
#

VT-PRO

golden thorn
#

CPUs don't always consume 100% of their max power and TDP isn't that reliable a way to determine it

cold moon
#

He was talking about IPMI style management but frankly that won’t be used often at all

jagged crypt
#

impact, yeah, had that dicussion yesterday, my 35w tdp i5-6500 system, idles/runs at 15watts

#

the IPMI value is subjective on install location and your tolerance for dealing with the box when you are debugging things that involve rebooting a lot

#

If it's going to be next your normal computer desk, and you have a keyboard/monitor for it, low value. If it's in a closet two floors down.....

cold moon
#

If he’s installing something like proxmox it would only be used for initial setup unless something goes wrong

agile olive
jagged crypt
#

SmartHomeSellout, yup, it's what value on the debugging time, and the physical location of the box

agile olive
agile olive
jagged crypt
#

haos on proxmox debugging is remote console on proxmox UI 🙂

agile olive
jagged crypt
#

sorry "VPRO"

agile olive
#

ok

golden thorn
jagged crypt
#

you may need a monitor or a stub plugged in to get it to work fully

cold moon
#

I have a m910q and never even set it up lol

agile olive
#

so, 9500T with 16Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD for 190€ is gone. best option now is 9100T, 16Gb, 128Gb for 160€. That was real a good deal

cold moon
#

More deals will pop up if you just set alerts

agile olive
agile olive
cold moon
#

Is this on eBay?

#

You can usually message sellers and ask for a discount

agile olive
#

no, local site similar to ebay

cold moon
#

Oh

agile olive
#

on ebay it's too expensive

#

basically, anything on ebay other than .com, comes from the US so the delivery is a lot

cold moon
#

Btw have you looked at used laptops too?

agile olive
#

not ideal, I want something small

cold moon
#

Ones with a broken screen or keyboard are cheap sometimes

#

I see

#

Even tho it’s going in a closet? Lol

#

Added benefit is they have battery for if you lose power

tacit burrow
#

Did you check ebay near you? Lots of these boxes around. You want 16GB of ram, it's short-sighted to just get 8 for the tiny saving. Ditto 256GB disk vs 128GB.

cold moon
#

he's tried

tacit burrow
#

How about next country over? SHipping may be cheap enough to cover the difference. WHere is s/he? Pricing in euros

cold moon
#

i dont know i didnt scroll up that far

#

@agile olive

agile olive
#

I'm in Portugal. I've searched on every ebay in EU

#

as I said, most come from US

#

I have to take a look again

agile olive
tacit burrow
#

I don't know, I only have one. Maybe you can add a m.2 stick.

#

There's not a lot of room

gloomy spoke
#

I believe there's an mPCIe slot, but it's intended for WLAN

tacit burrow
#

From spainaahh that's from US, sorry

gloomy spoke
#

otherwise, it looks good

jagged crypt
#

some of the boxes have nvme and can install a 2.5" drive with a caddy ($15 usd)

tacit burrow
#

Seems like lots if you change the selector to continental europe...

jagged crypt
#

mine came with nvme ssd, and I bought cady "just in case" I wanted to do something else, odds are it'll be unused, as I can just swap in a 1tb nvme

tacit burrow
#

But up close to 200 euros. Mine are sata ssd I think. Not sure I cared.
Some of those options appear to support 2 disks, so maybe hardware supports it. I don't speak portugese though.

#

162e for 6500t with 16GB ram and a 256GB SSD. Plus 35e shipping.

agile olive
#

thanks. I can get that one with 16GB RAM and SSD 480GB for 160€ (including shipping)

#

170€ sorry

#

6500T is good enough for what I need, I think

#

I'm lowering a bit after loosing the other deal

tacit burrow
#

One of mine is 6500t, and it works great. HA (on proxmox) takes <5% CPU

#

Make sure you have a display-port cable. Most of these don't have hdmi

#

(check the specs on the one you buy)

cold moon
#

i had to rob the dp cable from my pc to set it up lol

#

also make sure you upgrade the bios before you wipe windows 10/11 off of it @agile olive

agile olive
#

ok

cold moon
#

it's much easier to use the lenovo windows updater tool than it is to do it via CLI after you wipe it

#

^ that link has what you need

tacit burrow
#

I assume someone has linked him the article on HA+proxmox?

cold moon
agile olive
#

yes, twice 😄

#

ops, not that one, it's a first for me

#

so... ThinkCentre M910Q tiny, i5 6500T, 16GB RAM, SSD 480GB (170€) it seems like a good deal right?

cold moon
#

idk about good deal with your euro monopoly bucks tho

agile olive
#

lol

tacit burrow
#

that's about the same as 1/2 of mine. my other one is the same except 7500t

#

What are you planning on doing with the box? If you want to run lots of VMs, and there is option to upgrade it for not too much $, may think about that

agile olive
#

well, everything is so expensive so...

tacit burrow
#

You should try buying stuff in AU/NZ sometime heheh

agile olive
#

other option: ThinkCentre M910Q tiny, i5 7500T, 8GB RAM, SSD 240GB (170€)

tacit burrow
#

Nah take the first one

#

More ram is more important than cpu or disk

agile olive
#

half the ram, half the disk

#

Passmark: 4776 (6500T) vs 5269 (7500T)

cold moon
#

16gb ram prob isnt even enough if you want to use it for your server

#

you said youre gonna use it for plex and stuff right?

tacit burrow
#

7500T is only like 10% faster.

agile olive
#

I was on a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4Gb

tacit burrow
#

This will kick rpi ass

cold moon
#

if you're using it for plex and transcoding to ram (you should) then 16gb ram isnt enough

agile olive
#

i'm not tanscoding

cold moon
#

that's what they all say

agile olive
#

anyway, I can always upgrade to 32 later

glacial oracle
#

Interestingly on amazon there are minisforum bare ones with a 5600# for 230 as barebone
If someone is in the market for those

rich venture
tacit burrow
#

If you're just running HA 4GB is fine, but if you're running lots of addons, or non-HA VMs, more is better.

glacial oracle
#

16gb is not enough the moment you run anything backed by zfs

tacit burrow
#

I didn't read all the way back. Is he planning on running zfs/truenas on this box?

cold moon
glacial oracle
#

I have no idea but given current prices for ddr4 are at a huge low

#

Id just get 32 or 64gig

rich venture
cold moon
#

ya it's worth not having to take it apart to just pay the extra $20 for double the ram at 32gb imo

agile olive
#

I may want to try TrueNAS yes

tacit burrow
#

If you can pay 20 for upgrade to 32GB, do it regardless

cold moon
#

i'm just throwing a # out there idk

tacit burrow
#

you'll almost certainly run out of ram before cpu

glacial oracle
#

For Plex/jellyfin an Intel based CPU would be highly recommend
That easily passes through into an lxc

agile olive
#

I'm buying used and it comes with either 8 or 16Gb. I will go to 16Gb for sure

#

I can upgrade to 32 later (I think is the limit)

tacit burrow
#

yeah, that'll be fine. my NAS is a separate box from my Vm hosts. Then I can live-migrate VMs between proxmox nodes, luuuuverly

#

fwiw upgrade will probably involve throwing away current ram, and replacing; not just adding 16

glacial oracle
#

It's 25 bucks a dimm

cold moon
#

fuck my old link for m910q at $80 isnt working anymore

glacial oracle
#

Ah yes

#

An easy 268.66 in shipping cost

agile olive
#

no comments

rich venture
glacial oracle
#

Yes which is why now is a great time to buy compatible stuff

#

Even more as it overlaps with ssds being cheap nowadays

rich venture
glacial oracle
#

Oh they find another way to magical make the numbers go up again

#

Or to sell us more qlc garbage

rich venture
glacial oracle
#

The storage controller running node scripts

#

And all of that just to not give us 3.5" ones

rich venture
glacial oracle
#

yea an ai filesystem
You just look for your homework and it's always there

wooden fossil
cold moon
#

cool

wooden fossil
#

Snappier than the old docker instance too

cold moon
#

why'd you go haos over proxmox and haos virtualized?

#

nothing else you need to run on it?

wooden fossil
#

Nope. I wanted an isolated/stable platform for just HA.

cold moon
#

nothing wrong with that

#

i run haos on a used laptop bare metal

#

separate from my server and network and cameras etc

wooden fossil
#

It's the lower end nuc with the celeron, but plenty for just HA

cold moon
#

celeron is just a bad word

wooden fossil
#

I had been wanting to move from docker to HAOS anyways, and matter/thread made me choose to put the nuc on my IOT vlan instead of dicking around with macvlan networks on my docker host

cold moon
#

yea

#

well

#

fuck matter/thread regardless

#

they're still practically alpha

wooden fossil
#

Indeed.

cold moon
#

zigbee, zwave, and wifi do everything we need them to with home assistant to be the man in the middle

wooden fossil
#

Still fun to play with though

cold moon
#

user 1: ree border router issues.
user 2: ree ipv6 issues
user 3: ree firewall and mdns issues
user 4: reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

wooden fossil
#

Eh no biggie.

#

My idea of fun is sometimes strange 😉

#

I already had thread/matter working in docker, but haos made it easier

cold moon
#

i see

wooden fossil
#

I was surprised the backup/restore from docker -> haos worked so well though

#

I don't think anything is missing lol

cold moon
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ye

tacit burrow
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I found random feature request.. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/mitsubishi-aircon/37454

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Mitsubishi AirCon

Hi Guys, I have only been using HA for about 2 weeks now, and I love it. Thanks for all of the hard work that has been done so far! I have ordered some TPLink HT100 units to play with. I am hoping to use my AirCon split system which is a Mitsubishi, it isn’t listed yet. The system has a iphone/android app which I currently use. This is A...

cold moon
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It can probably be used with the esp32 esphome usb adapters

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You can diy them as well

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I’ve heard good things about Mitsubishi mini splits but when researching a bit more they’re basically all carbon copies of two different Chinese models. So you can save a lot of money by not buying Mitsubishi and instead getting an almost identical model that guaranteed can work with the esphome method above

patent river
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There are a few models of WiFi adapter, but that's the only one with the local control protocol available

tacit burrow
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Yup it looks like it's MAC-568IF-E which is like $200 :/

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Buy Once Cry Once

patent river
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Also there are 3 different Mitsubishi cloud services depending on where you live in the world. The AU/NZ one is kinda gross. Fortunately you just have to go through the onboarding, then never need to use it again 🙂

cold moon
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Why is au and nz the same with a lot of stuff

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I.e. fucked up