hardware-archived

[cold moon]

Psus last forever if they’re good quality

[pallid prairie]

I'm pretty good a motherboard repair

[cold moon]

You can also buy server grade shit with dual power supplies that automatically fail over

[remote pilot]

true

I mean there's a reason there's two in servers haha

[cold moon]

You could get like a dell r730XD and fill it with HDDS and a couple nvme in raid 1 and be golden on one device

If you want that type of setup

[pallid prairie]

That's not even that expensive

[cold moon]

Or diy whitebox

[pallid prairie]

And if it's running a lot of the stuff in my house, I'd prefer not to save 300 and have issues 6 months later

[cold moon]

Word

Some people like server grade shit at home

In my experience consumer grade is still fine

I have two dual Xeon old server setups here

[pallid prairie]

I've spent a lot of time at work upgrading things 1 step a time because 2 steps was too expensive

[cold moon]

But I’ll replace them with a new end ryzen build

Not more server gear

[pallid prairie]

Then finding out the time I lost and insanity it caused was not worth the saved money

Yeah I could also just build a decent PC with a lot of storage

[cold moon]

That’s what a whitebox is

If you don’t need multiple servers or want to buy and manage a server rack then buy this and fill it with drives

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EGBZA1C?tag=smarthomesell-20

[pallid prairie]

I mean I was gonna get a rack anyway

For the ubiquity stuff

[cold moon]

Well those are a shallower depth and can use a network rack but work fine in a server rack

[pallid prairie]

More to look into now.

[remote pilot]

ubiquiti is a bit weird for me, idk I guess their pricing is nice for some stuff but I feel like there's issues with firmware and stuff

like I have the ERL from eons ago and the AP and both have been running nicely

[pallid prairie]

I use it at work and it's the first networking gear I haven't had trouble with

[remote pilot]

but lately it's like can't find stuff available and then the latest firmware seems to have issues reported all over

ah I see

[pallid prairie]

It just actually works the way they say it does, and since all this stuff really rests on a network id like a good backbone

[cold moon]

This isn’t how most people think of ubiquiti

[pallid prairie]

And since I trust them I wanna use their security stuff. At least that's my reasoning

[remote pilot]

I think I was gonna say maybe their switches and APs but not their router or anything security related

[cold moon]

I use all ubiquiti gear at home but I know the downsides

For any networking professionals they are a no no

[pallid prairie]

Exactly

I'm not a professional

[remote pilot]

lol

[cold moon]

Yea

[remote pilot]

they target a weird market tbh

it's not consumer friendly generally speaking

like the edgerouter is a bitch to use

[pallid prairie]

What kind of gear do you use

[cold moon]

Their edge line is old

[remote pilot]

just regular ol stuff since I don't have anything complicated. I mean the edgerouter line is kinda dead I think

yeah

[pallid prairie]

I have the dream thing router at my office

And a bunch of APs

[remote pilot]

the UDM pro or?

[cold moon]

They make multiple dream things

Why don’t you know what hardware you use?

[pallid prairie]

Dream machine special edition

Too many names of things

[sleek bay]

quick question
im looking to integrate these cheap 433mhz remotes into ha
i see a lot of RF bridges, but all of them use wifi or lan to communicate
does one exist that's simply USB like BT or Zigbee? if so, pls send link
reply with ping please

[peak talon]

Dunno about USB dongles, but if you are open to DIY, an esp with superheterodyne rf tranceivers chips are quite cheap and work fine. Esphome is wifi though and integerates neatly with HA

[sleek bay]

i dont use wifi, so i need USB

[peak talon]

??? You do not have wifi router at your place and connect everything over ethernet? Well, you are missing quite a lot on convenience 😃

[sleek bay]

the only thing that could use wifi is my phone
not worth it power wise either

cables are run anyways, so don't see advantage of paying 1-2€ a month for electricity of feature i don't really need

[peak talon]

Well, your home your ways...but i fail to understand the savings since for phone you will have to rely on mobile data which in myopinion is generally more expensive and has data caps (mostly in countries i have been). What is the sense of not using home internet than mobile data? You might get a mobile data plan cheaper that way

[cold moon]

He can use an Ethernet hat instead of Wi-Fi for esp32 with esphome

[sleek bay]

my wifi does work, but it toggles on and off
and i rarely use my phone data indoors cuz like i have a pc so why would i use phone to watch videos

[sleek bay]

how hard would it be to mod? im not tali9ing hardware, just software

since i prefer something plug and play

[cold moon]

mod?

you mean to configure esphome to do what you want?

[sleek bay]

yupp

[cold moon]

well esphome is basically templates you copy paste and fill in

[sleek bay]

all i want is to relay the codes to HA, just receiver really
you sure there is no USB version?

[peak talon]

As i said, your ways...just that i find that you justification of not using wifi was saving money, which i find hard to believe. But thats just me

[cold moon]

well you say "simply USB like BT or Zigbee"

which to me doesn't make sense

[remote pilot]

I think they just want a 433 mhz usb dongle

[sleek bay]

there is crapton of USB to bt or zigbee adapters

[cold moon]

well they say they want to integrate remotes

not a transceiver

[remote pilot]

but most of it is hacked together boards and what not

[sleek bay]

i basically wanna use these cheap rf remotes

[remote pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/lszzup/what_433_mhz_usb_antenna_dongle_do_you_recommend/

[peak talon]

I think there are...check for Sonoff bridges. But if you use their firmware, then they likely dial home 😃 you can modify the firmware, but i have not seen for RF devices

[sleek bay]

instead of zigbee ones, cuz zigbee ones are like 20$ and rf is cents

[remote pilot]

seems like RTL_SDR stuff

cents?

[sleek bay]

433mhz receivers i see for like under a buck usually...

[remote pilot]

funny I think I have an SDR dongle lying around

[sleek bay]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008S7AVTC
loooks promissing, just gotta know is HA supports it

[remote pilot]

I don't quite know what you mean by "supports it"

[cold moon]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-add-on-amr2mqtt/378196

maybe you can play with that

there's more than one way to do this

[remote pilot]

yeah i was gonna say you're gonna need something to at least integrate it in

[sleek bay]

does it just give me that data

[cold moon]

i actually wrote exactly how to do this with $10 in parts with an esp32 using esphome last week

[peak talon]

That rf you are talking about is transrecivers, not the USB hubs as you are expecting. These rf chips need to be paired with microcontrollers like esp or arduino

[sleek bay]

this looks really good

[cold moon]

#diy-archived message

433 mhz esphome yaml example: https://dpaste.org/Z0qus images of esp32 wiring using nodemcu wroom32: https://imgur.com/a/PdPiTcy

[remote pilot]

dunno 433 seems like a one way send type of deal

[cold moon]

mine is a transceiver

[peak talon]

Yes it is and not really worth it nowadays 😃

[sleek bay]

idc about sending, i just wanna receive the buttons and what else

[remote pilot]

you can receive everyone elses 433 too

[sleek bay]

mostly cheap buttons and maybe my gas/water if possible

[sleek bay]

so i guess this is my solution?

[cold moon]

it's a solution

i think a lot of people go that route

[remote pilot]

you mean they back away from 433 and go zigbee? 😄

[sleek bay]

i have like 30 zigbee devices probably but the buttons are so damm expensive

[peak talon]

Most of the existing rf are either unencrypted or simple rolling codes. Not secure

[sleek bay]

dont mind neighbours flickering my lights

[remote pilot]

😅

[peak talon]

You need zigbee dongle for ypur zigbee devices

[sleek bay]

already got the sonoff something long black thing iirc

[remote pilot]

I think you're opting to buy 433 remotes and opt into headaches vs paying a bit more for zigbee buttons/remotes but that's just my opinion

[peak talon]

You can buy that rtl dongles, but its probbaly be more expensive than you are willing 30-40 something

[cold moon]

433 and other rf shit is going back in time 20 years

[sleek bay]

true, but a zigbee button is like 20$

[cold moon]

if you want to have fun but 90% of people know better and dont do that unless they need to control some old ass shit

or a fan

or something particular

[remote pilot]

I'd go with what a lot of other people are using for more support/community

[cold moon]

aqara buttons are cheap as fuck on aliexpress

[remote pilot]

unless you're the hack together hardware kind of person

[peak talon]

Mijia and sonoff button costs 5 to 8 😃

[sleek bay]

nah keychain

[cold moon]

well that doesnt make sense either

[remote pilot]

but I don't think you're the kind of person into the really DIY stuff

[cold moon]

because zigbee devices shouldnt just wander around

[sleek bay]

couldnt find anything decently priced if so pls link

[cold moon]

they have routes that they need to use to talk back to the coordinator

so walking around with a zigbee button = literally doing what you shouldnt

[sleek bay]

quit it like 10 years ago, not enough time (nor space)

[sleek bay]

too late, sadly using 2 "remote" zigbee buttons, barely works, spend about 100€ on multiple range extenders, antennas, tests etc and range is still so bad

[remote pilot]

I don't think I've seen them that cheap lol

[cold moon]

range extenders are wifi things

[sleek bay]

routers*

[peak talon]

Look for local second hand market. Lot of people just throwaway their hue / xiaomi button if thei hub dies, they think it is hard connected 😃

[cold moon]

yea

[remote pilot]

how much range are you trying to get

like are you trying to press buttons at the end of the driveway or what?

[cold moon]

a lot of us have zigbee meshes in the 50-200 device range with zero issues

[sleek bay]

11M iirc

arround that

[cold moon]

you should figure out what is wrong with your mesh

[sleek bay]

from above to below

[cold moon]

not just say fuck it to the entire protocol

[remote pilot]

11m is pretty far

[cold moon]

ur pretty far

[remote pilot]

zigbee is 2.4ghz

[cold moon]

11m isnt really that far in open space

[remote pilot]

sure with LOS

[cold moon]

my mailbox is farther away and i'm using a $5 aqara button with a hue bulb pretty far away

[sleek bay]

my wifi is better than my zigbee, switched channels as well, channels far apart, plus my wifi is off when i use the button

[peak talon]

Wait..looks like you have bad co-ordinator. When you said sonoff old one...you mean ypu have CC2531 dongle?

[sleek bay]

how do i check?

i have a coordinator and like 6+ routers, one of them even placed outdoors, pretty much 11M line of sight, singnal only one 1 spot

super bad and annoying

[cold moon]

not all coordinators are the same

if you have a shit one everything else is shit

like the quote "if the head is dumb the whole body suffers"

[peak talon]

Take a picture

[sleek bay]

cant post pics here

[cold moon]

we can do better than that

is it attached to your home assistant pi or whatever?

[golden thorn]

Read the channel description

[sleek bay]

usb

[cold moon]

settings -> system -> hardware -> all hardware and scroll down and look for the device id and paste it here

[sleek bay]

pretty sure i can find it in settings

thx

[cold moon]

it'll be a long ass string

[sleek bay]

/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_0001-if00-port0

[cold moon]

that's the p dongle i think

e dongle shows plusv2 iirc

[peak talon]

Yes p dongle and good one.

[cold moon]

is the usb dongle on an extension cable?

https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA

[peak talon]

But have you flashed the firmware or you are using the one came inbuilt?

[cold moon]

look what happens with usb 3.x interference to a zigbee dongle

[sleek bay]

nope, but i have multiple routers close to it

[cold moon]

doesnt matter watch the 30second clip

[cold moon]

we both know the answer to that

[remote pilot]

I've had to use extension cables on my keyboard dongle since the port is USB 3 on the back

[sleek bay]

does is matter if i have 6 routers in range and all 6 work?

[remote pilot]

*htpc usage

[sleek bay]

just that the range from router to my button (11M) is bad

[cold moon]

#hardware-archived message

[sleek bay]

did

[cold moon]

if the coordinator has interference EVERYTHING else is fucked

this is why a lot of people are switching to PoE coordinators

with no usb port and putting them in a more central location

[sleek bay]

another question

[cold moon]

i'm waiting for a sugar momma to buy me one cuz they're expensive

[sleek bay]

if i put the antenna on cable

does that fix the issue?

[cold moon]

antenna?

[sleek bay]

ye

[cold moon]

the zigbee coordinator?

[sleek bay]

yes

[cold moon]

it probably will yes

assuming no other interference

and also assuming that your routers are good

[sleek bay]

ok then i have no interference

[cold moon]

some routers are very bad

[sleek bay]

cuz i tried the same with that sonoff

and the range didnt go 11M either

[peak talon]

have you check then LQI and also the zigbee map to see if this button indeed is connecting directly or via router

You might want to repair

[sleek bay]

connects thru router, already checked

it can't connect directly cuz that's simply too far away

also tried directional 2.4ghz antenna
range as bad

[peak talon]

Not really, if there is no wall in between, it just conencts fine in my experince even at 11 m

directly to coord

Because, it might be that you router themselves may be bad

[sleek bay]

between router and coord there is a wall

[cold moon]

what device is the router

and end device

[sleek bay]

how would i check?

[cold moon]

sonoff end devices are particularly bad

you dont know what devices you have?

[peak talon]

So if you bring the button near the co-ordinator all works well?

[cold moon]

??

[sleek bay]

https://imgur.com/a/r84I7Zz

[cold moon]

sir that has like 12 pixels in the entire image

[sleek bay]

meh, just amnmount

[sleek bay]

yes, but it does not matter if it's coord or router, as long as the range is't that big

lemme check

the router io bought was like 25€ firmware 20220125 transmit_power 20dbm
like dual chip thingy

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0215A_sos.html#tuya-ts0215a_sos
one button
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/HS1EB_HS1EB-E.html#heiman-hs1eb%252Fhs1eb-e
second button

funny enough first has slightly better range, still awful but better

[peak talon]

I was just checking if it is a not a battery problems. Since if behaves the same way near the co-ordinator, you might have battery issues - does not matter what is reported. I would advise to just repair and check.

[sleek bay]

battery? it's AC

the button is battery yes

but both have fresh ones

[peak talon]

All the time i thought we are talking about zigbee button 😃 anyway, hope it gets resolved. But it's quite unusual unless button or rputer is bad

[sleek bay]

i asked on like 10 other discords and people told me it should do easily 10M even with walls....

bought RF button as well and amplifier and external antenna
even worse signal

and i dont wanna use my phone because it's slow

[sleek bay]

i tried 2 routers, even a less powerful one, the range was even worse... well
wouldn't reach down at all

anyways i gotta go sleep, thanks for the RF recommendation. maybe will use lora is it's less complicated in 10y and actual keychain button exists

[remote pilot]

wait phone is slow?

what's wrong with your wifi or cell service

[cold moon]

if you can produce logs and give specific hardware you are using in #zigbee-archived channel someone can help you another time

whatever your problem is - it's solvable

[sleek bay]

pulling a phone out of my pocket, unlocking it and pressing a button
it's faster to just click a physical button

[remote pilot]

oh that's what you mean

I thought you mean pressing it on your phone isn't reacting the same speed

[sleek bay]

nah it's pretty good speed wise, not perfect, the cloudflare integration is broken for me (did workarround) and nginx on ha is well, shit, so not using SSL (terrible idea ik)

[remote pilot]

o.O what

[cold moon]

you have hass exposed out wan via http?

dude...

[remote pilot]

next you'll tell me the 2.4Ghz is WEP

[cold moon]

well he has old devices so he still has a/b enabled

nginxproxymanager should work fine as a haos addon

idk how you have hass installed

[sleek bay]

bare metal

[cold moon]

ya man you gotta fix that

[sleek bay]

yeah, i have https on like 30 services i run
every single one works, except home assistant

there was some weird hack you need todo to make it work with https on diff port

but run out of time

[cold moon]

well ask for help tomorrow and someone can get you going

[sleek bay]

first i'd like to get cf working since duckdns works 9/10 times

i have duckdns and cname on cf...

cuz cf interaction does not work
asked here as well, got ignored, asked again few days later, got ignored lol

so did workarround

[cold moon]

which workaround? using cloudflare tunnel instead of port forwarding?

you dont need both duckdns and cloudflare

cloudflare ddns replaces duckdns

[sleek bay]

i do cuz cloudflare does not work

if it damm worked, i would use it

[cold moon]

come back tomorrow with fresh eyes and we can help get you setup right

[sleek bay]

sure, cloudflare probably ez to fix
but that nginx sucks

[cold moon]

no it doesnt

[sleek bay]

will ping ya tomorrow i guess

[peak talon]

Then don't use nginx, from cf connect direct to HA Url

[remote pilot]

yeah you don't need nginx with the CF add-on necessarily

I'm using both mind you

they seem pretty straight forward so I really wonder how yours broke lol

[sleek bay]

i dont know CF super well so not sure how to set that up

but i do not want to host it on port 443

so ssl on another port

and this was my issue

[remote pilot]

wdym ssl on another port

[cold moon]

nginxproxymanager has le certbot baked in

[remote pilot]

I know

[cold moon]

it's easier to just let that renew

and keep it simple for him...

[remote pilot]

lol

I don't understand what you mean SSL on another port

[sleek bay]

https protocol on another port

[remote pilot]

you mean you don't want CF proxied and 443?

[peak talon]

Come back tomorrow..think you need to learn some networking stuff

[remote pilot]

haha

[cold moon]

i think he means he is already exposing 443 out wan

for a server or something

[sleek bay]

i have a linux cert and ongong networking cert

weird flex

anyways

[remote pilot]

that's not a flex at this rate LOL

[sleek bay]

ha nginx is just pain for some reason

[peak talon]

Knowledge viancert and experience are 2 different things 😃

[peak talon]

Well the famous saying...you are not using it right 😃

[sleek bay]

fair, i just got the cert because welcome to germany you need a cert to wipe ass

[sleek bay]

"400: Bad Request"
https://imgur.com/a/bIyQokt

i did definetly over 50 nginx installs as simple reverse proxy
and normal reverse proxy with ssl is simpler than this tbh

im going sleep, this is where i left off 4 months ago

[peak talon]

Have you checked the ha logs? I suspect you have not entered the trusted proxy configuration in configuration.yaml....read this https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/http/#reverse-proxies

[remote pilot]

lol speaking of 433

LTT just released a video on the flipper zero

[wind vale]

I am in Sweden, popular brands are Assa Abloy and Dorma, here.

An Assa SV300 is what we normally set up for customers! About 2500 euro though, they are not cheap pieces of kit. Honestly, a "piece of string" that pulls the door would be a LOT cheaper 🤣

[mighty mountain]

would this raspberry Pi be ok for home assistant? Do I need to buy additional things along with it besides a memory card?
https://core-electronics.com.au/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-2gb-kit-only.html

[remote pilot]

power supply (official is probably best or at least reputable)

maybe a case or something with a fan

you're better off getting a USB SSD rather than the SD card for storage imo

[mighty mountain]

hmm ok. but a board like that would be fine to use? Ive just never used one before. I assume if I can get ahold of the board the acessories are easy to come by?

i might go for the 4gb, 8gb is sold out sadly. https://core-electronics.com.au/raspberry-pi-4-nuc-bundle-4gb.html

[remote pilot]

ah yeah I was gonna say maybe the ram could be better but not sure how much is needed for HA at minimum

[mighty mountain]

yeh ok thanks

[remote pilot]

I was gonna say the HA yellow is CM4 which is the same processor as the pi 4 I think

[mighty mountain]

ive also got a pc running linux I dont use at all anymore wondering if I should just plug that in

[remote pilot]

might be fine too? lol

[mighty mountain]

i dont really care about the power consumption atm

[remote pilot]

depends what you want to do, I've got a lot of add-ons loaded up

but even then depends if you're expecting heavy load on CPU or memory etc

I don't think it needs a lot for just running some lights etc

but some people do stuff like cameras (and frigate) or iunno what lol

[mighty mountain]

surely my pc would be more powerful than a reaspberry pi though?

it was worth about 6k new built in 2017

[remote pilot]

lol then surely

[mighty mountain]

maybe thats the go to start then.

[remote pilot]

if it's just collecting dust why not

I mean you could probably do virtualization on it and do even more really

[mighty mountain]

sorry what do you mean by that?

[remote pilot]

oh like run HAOS as a VM on that system

[mighty mountain]

would I be running it in a docker container on my linux machine

oh true

that could work

[remote pilot]

I'd say go VM instead of docker just so you get add-ons and what not

at least to me those are easy / nice to use vs rolling your own other docker services

[mighty mountain]

is that because HAOS comes with stuff built in?

[remote pilot]

mhm

just the add-on stuff has been nice in my experience at least

[tacit burrow]

addons are way easier in haos, compare to docker+roll your own, unless you're an expert

[remote pilot]

I think even if doing it yourself the ease of install/config is far better for stuff you're likely to tightly want to couple to haos anyhow

I can roll my own solution but I'll still want take the path of least resistance... lazy

[mighty mountain]

sweet as im downloading the HAOS image now cheers 🙂

[tacit burrow]

I do docker, and linux, and all that stuff for a day job. Doesn't mean I want to do it unnecessarily at home. HAOS is fine for me. I don't need the extra configurability of a roll-your-own solution.

[mighty mountain]

Yeh im a swe so deal with that at work all the time. I want to be able to tinker, but i also just want stuff to just work as well.

any recommended zwave adapters or w/e I need in that department?

[peak talon]

HAOS will take up the entire system. Ideally, install hypervisor like promox and dedicate a VM for HA OS. This woukf leave your PC for other things. I would recommend zigbee as the devices of zigbee are much more available and relatively less expensive than zwave imho

For zigbee, check for sonoff dongle plus (the p type)

[mighty mountain]

im probably just going to buy both dongles in any case.
im looking at this for zwave
https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Stick-Assistant-HomeSeer-Software/dp/B07GNZ56BK/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=xvg8q&content-id=amzn1.sym.5724bc92-619d-4597-ac96-996c3c19e6c4&pf_rd_p=5724bc92-619d-4597-ac96-996c3c19e6c4&pf_rd_r=1W1RWAEJDKRWRQ7C4HB8&pd_rd_wg=g9Kzd&pd_rd_r=131913ae-f9a4-49d0-98ab-170c4b41fdb7&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m#customerReviews

and this one for zigbee. Is this the one you are talking about?
https://www.amazon.com.au/Gateway-Universal-Assistant-Zigbee2MQTT-Wireless/dp/B0B6P22YJC/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1QM3K80XIG9JJ&keywords=Zigbee+3.0+USB+Dongle+Plus&qid=1681112155&sprefix=zigbee+3.0+usb+dongle+plus%2Caps%2C301&sr=8-6

ah I found the P type and got that

thanks

[sleek bay]

Havent checked anything as i ran out of time
So just keept it as non ssl
Will look into it when im home

[peak talon]

The tusted proxy thing is required in configuration.yaml regardless of whether ssl or not

[sleek bay]

Correction, i gave up nginx and acressed HA directly

Im pretty sure one does not need to conf trusted proxy on normal nginx
Or maybe i just set it on all adresses, copy pasta pn 95% of server configs

[winged knoll]

You need it if NGINX is (correctly) adding an XFF header

If you don't set an XFF header then sure, but HA also doesn't know that the connection is remote

This would be a Bad Thing ™️

[sleek bay]

Im pretty sure i never bothered about the XFF header
Time to look up all exploits

[sleek bay]

looked into it
added

  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 127.0.0.1
    - 192.168.178.27

to ha config and still get 400: Bad Request tho i feel like this should be 401 error unauthorized

nginx has no new logs

looking for ha logs..

not sure where this private network ip came from
Received X-Forwarded-For header from an untrusted proxy 172.30.33.7

[peak talon]

You should fhat this network (add CIDR not just 1 ip) to your trusted proxy in config of HA. You can remove the 127... that you mentioned

[sleek bay]

possible im bit retarded but "172.0.0.0/8" should include 172.30.33.7 but it still does not work

[peak talon]

Restarted HA after that change? Yes that CIDR is fine

[sleek bay]

reloaded config

quick reload

[peak talon]

Well, just restart

[sleek bay]

false advertising
lemme restart

[sleek bay]

now not booting, even better

don't have a display on hand or anything

so that's bad

doubt the pc died

[peak talon]

You are on HA OS?

[sleek bay]

im on bare metal whichever that is

restarted the pc like 5x finally booted

and ssl works

sidequiestion let's encrypt and nginx share the certs? cuz i remember copying them over

from /ssl or /nginx or smth, idk been some time

[peak talon]

Would suggest to know....how have you installed using an iage. Refer to this to refresh memory https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

[sleek bay]

Home Assistant Operating System

generic x86

tho i'll be switching to container or VM once i find a server that does not need 30€ per month of electricity to run...

[peak talon]

Okay. So unless you have access to the machine directly, you will not know why it is not booting, but HA OS should boot in safe mode afaik

[sleek bay]

safe mode = no web gui?

[peak talon]

MiniPCs

[sleek bay]

well it booted now, luckily

[peak talon]

Web gui shoud still be there

[sleek bay]

got one, but the power is crap, found few more but also meh...

will get a chinese motherboard and hope the 45tdp cpu uses like max 20W with everything else

for context, i run a lot of things and the reason i have some stuff at home is because simply can't move them to datacenter

else i would happily move my zigbee to datacenter but that's simply impossible

[peak talon]

Well i run 40 odd heavy containers in k8s on N5105 celeron. 11w power

[sleek bay]

my HA runs of Giada f200 (look up if you care)
but will move to something modern, found a chinese mobo i like but looks a little big the eyrling somrthing, it's all over youtube and ally

[sleek bay]

my list is smaller but guess needs more juice, everythine else goes datacenter cuz uptime (frequent internet downtime here as well)

[peak talon]

Okay you decide. So the HA up and running fine? And accessible

[sleek bay]

yupp, ssl too, thanks for help, guess the quick reload is poopoo

just gotta change all my entries to use ssl and disable non ssl on router

[peak talon]

Make sure your ha backups are synced and relevant snapshots taken before making any other change

[round bone]

Poland / European Union

[pallid prairie]

So unraid looks pretty cool I'm looking at it now...

[pallid prairie]

And you guys think unraid, using a vm is preferred over docker to use the ha os version

[cold moon]

Depends who you ask

For the majority of people running in a docker container is more work to configure and manage for zero benefit

For others they get cancer if they install haos

[pliant forum]

See if you can find any tiny pcs by you on the used markets. Some specific models would be Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny, HP Elitedesk Tiny, HP Prodesk Tiny or Dell Optiplex USFF

I’d aim for something like an i5-6500t or Ryzen 3/5

[round bone]

Do you know if zigbe, z-wave and other devices plugged into HA has to be USB-B? USB-A is equally fine? In other words I am trying to figure out how many USB I need and if USB-A count into it.

[pliant forum]

Most dongles are USB A

[round bone]

right now I have HA in NAS synology, but I plan to buy house soon and I want to make it more serious

[pliant forum]

Understandable haha. I’d budget atleast 4 USB ports on the system you buy

most of the mini pcs I told you about should have 4+

I’d recommend getting one with atleast 8gb of ram also so you have room to expand. Most of the tiny pcs should be able to have the ram upgraded aswell.

[glass bay]

Hello 🙂
I need a recommendation for a good ceiling lamp as one source do you have something you could recommend?

[remote pilot]

what kind of features are you looking for?

else you can buy some ikea fixtures and throw any bulb into it lol

[glass bay]

just a standard lamp that's bright enough to light up the room and flat.

[remote pilot]

no rgb no smart features? xD

warm light cool light?

personally I've been liking the tradfri bulb from ikea

but that can go in any fixture

multiple lights make a room feel nicer rather than just one straight overhead I'd think

[glass bay]

can have RBG and be HA enabled. The thing is I need it to be bright 😄 cos this would be main source

[glass bay]

there will be but for the sake of daily usage I'd prefer one with options of adding others

[remote pilot]

ah yeah

the ikea smart bulbs I got were like 1100 lumens. not enough for the entire room with just one I'd think

[glass bay]

But the thing is , that there is hardly an place to see the brightness of those flat lamps so was wondering if maybe someone has them and is happy to recommend

[remote pilot]

ah

[glass bay]

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/hue-white-and-color-ambiance-infuse-hue-ceiling-lamp/4116331U9

something like that style

[remote pilot]

I use a track of spotlights for the really bright lighting I wanted

[pallid prairie]

which team are you on

you seem like you have an idea of what's going on

[cold moon]

Ya in a perfect world I’d get paid to help design and deploy smart homes

[round bough]

Hi! I have a Xiaomi light sensor. Worked always perfect but after a change to ssd and back to sd (Bluetooth and Zigbee issues) my light sensor doesn’t give the correct lux back. Battery status is in HA but not the correct lux. It just stays steady on 154. Tried to push that little button, but the blue light doesn’t show. Is it broken or does somebody know how to solve this?

[pallid prairie]

that wasn't exactly an answer!

[rocky trail]

I'd love to do this

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/britt-baker-gif-23273185

[cold moon]

Do you guys put leak sensors on the floor under toilets or only for sinks and water heaters and such?

What about emergency evap pan for AC?

[pallid prairie]

I've been thinking about this too

I think under toilet is too much personally, cleaning and regular showering will inevitably trigger it

[copper juniper]

hmmm

cant see under most sinks hidden behind doors

but toilets are usally open so

your step in it quickly

[remote pilot]

I've seen somone's toilet tank crack and partially flood their place but that was because they rarely used that toilet

[pallid prairie]

@cold moon and you should do zwave for these, it's important, someone told me that once

[cold moon]

hi im someone

i specifically said s2 zwave would be nice for it

[winged knoll]

Everywhere that I may get a leak really. Just move them when cleaning, and put them back once the floor is dry.

My priorities are places where water wouldn't be obvious (washing machines, dish washers, etc) or where the rate of flow could be high (showers, water tank), then sinks etc.

[cold moon]

makes sense

i'm not sure where i would place it with dishwasher

i'd have to slide it out to put it anywhere useful

[copper juniper]

under it?

hole in floor under it

[winged knoll]

That's where mine is

Mine is a fitted unit, so under is easy 😄

[copper juniper]

with a drain pan

[winged knoll]

The washing machine isn't, but the hoses are at the back, so that's where the leak sensor is

[cold moon]

just behind it on the floor?

ideally there would be a drain it would sit in front of right?

like how the newer houses have tile with a drain for laundry room

[remote pilot]

imagine having a sensible drain near your washer

[granite tiger]

New to HA so thanks for the patience. I have an Elitedesk 800 G4 running proxmox. I think I can technically install the below into the WiFi M.2 slot but will that actually “plug-and-play” with HA if I configure proxmox to pass through the hardware to the container/VM (as if it were running bare metal) or is there a driver/interface consideration that I’d be missing? So… 2 questions: (1) is this hardware physically compatible? (2) is this hardware compatible with the HA software? Thank you!

https://makerdiary.com/products/nrf52840-m2-module

[round bone]

*water context
this is harder to achieve, because pipes are not designed in that way by default, but you can measure electricity usage and water flow. So for example if wash machine doesn't consume power (or very lower power) but water flow in the pipe, then there is a leak. In other words detect if device is turned on / off. If off, then water shouldn't flow in the pipe.

[cold moon]

There are already good solutions for that

[round bone]

but you have to modify pipes right?

[cold moon]

Yep

Or at least one pipe

[round bone]

ha I found there are water meters with which you don't have to cut pipes. Just you put it on pipe and it detects water flow.

I am curious how accurate it is

oh, ok, this is expensive. 540$

[cold moon]

yea i forgot about those

or rather i remembered they needed to be inline not just attached

[pallid prairie]

got the go ahead to close friday

shining my credit card up now

gonna need you even more now sir.

hopefully you live somewhere where I can send pizza @cold moon

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/tip-jar-gif-24903248

[pallid prairie]

yes

[remote pilot]

lol the bluebot?

only one I could find when I searched just now

damn I'd need two of those if I wanted it

probably cheaper to just hire a plumber to cut the pipe

[round bone]

Any not obvious disadvantage which you experience by using HAOS instead of docker compose or VM? Right know I am using docker compose, but while I plan to invest in dedicated small server for HA I don't feel using docker make sense anymore. But I don't have any experience with HAOS stability, backup etc. So still can go with docker or proxmox VM or other solution if it is worth it. VM backup can be worth it. What is your experience with HAOS?

[round bone]

yes, I found this one too

[fringe crater]

I run HAOS as a proxmox VM and have no complaints. Easy backups, easy addons, very stable.

[round bone]

why not raw HAOS?

[fringe crater]

because I run other VMs on the same hardware.

[round bone]

then it make sense, but I plan to have server dedicated for HA.

[fringe crater]

then raw HAOS seems fine

IMO dedicated is kind of a waste, it doesn't require much compute to run

[round bone]

BTW Am I correct HA backup as VM image recreated on other server will not work, because of different dongles ids etc.? I mean smart home devices will not connect to different dongle for zigbee etc.? Or it will work?

[remote pilot]

dongle IDs?

are you using the same dongle or?

[copper juniper]

yeah proxmox and do more

[round bone]

if I am correct each of this device has unique identify. MAC or something like that.

[fringe crater]

zigbee/zwave is tied to the coordinator stick. if it goes down, you can't have redundancy

[round bone]

so if I have dongle for zigbee in server 1, do backup with proxmox and recreate in other servwer with proxmox I expect it to not work, because there is different dongle. Am I correct? Will it work?

tied to the coordinator stick
but tied by what?

[remote pilot]

are you moving the dongle?

[round bone]

no, 2 different dongles

[remote pilot]

oh then there you go

[round bone]

but the same type

I am trying to understand if it will work then or not, but I have no idea 🙂

[remote pilot]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/backup-your-zha-husbzb-1-stick-and-even-seamlessly-migrate-to-a-new-stick-without-re-pairing/229044

For seamless migration, you need to overwrite the EUI64 on your target stick/bridge. This is a one time operation and can not be undone or changed in future (without a SWD flasher) so this should only be done if you are sure of the change. If you do not overwrite the EUI64 the binding tables on your devices will be incorrect and they will need to be reset and rejoined. That said, there is very little downside to overwriting the EUI64 – You can have two sticks/hubs with the same EUI64 online at the same time with out any conflicts if you create a new network on one of the two sticks. (bellows leave && bellows form)

I guess you could find a way to do that for what ever dongle you're using lol

[round bone]

ok zigbee was an example, but in reality I care about all kind of network zwave, thread, matter etc.

I think this need clarification

because if I can recreate it like that, then VM make some sense. But if it will not work, then HAOS sounds good.

[remote pilot]

I mean are you expecting your stick to die?

is that the scenario?

[copper juniper]

or the vm

[round bone]

more like a server stop working and I will not have time immediately to fix this. So I can move HA to another server for that time.

But still want to have all dongles in "master" one

[remote pilot]

sure but just unplug the dongle and move it lol

[round bone]

to fix it later

[remote pilot]

I mean

once you fix it... move it back

it's usb not soldered to the board LOL

[round bone]

yeah, but I will need them during fixing, so in that time smart home will not work

[remote pilot]

I don't think you'd need it to fix a VM

*server hosting the vm

[round bone]

I mean the server or HA itself after some experiment

anyway the point is: if I can recreate HA from VM on other machine just like that, then proxmox make sense. Actually even if move USB sticks.

just trying to justify if it is worth to use docker / proxmox

[remote pilot]

proxmox over docker imo

[round bone]

and if it is really good idea to make dedicated HA server

[round bone]

why?

[remote pilot]

I don't think it's a bad idea to have dedicated hardware for HA but just don't over spec it

like if an rpi 4 is all you need for it... don't xeon it

[round bone]

ncu intel or something like that probably

[remote pilot]

docker being the install without add-ons lol

add-ons are nice 😄

[round bone]

actually I have never used them, because I use docker compose right now, so I don't feel what I lose 🙂

[remote pilot]

lol

the click to install button!

it's not the end of the world ofc

[round bone]

😉

[cold moon]

It is

[remote pilot]

I like stuff like how mosquito is pretty integrated in there so the other add-ons need less config etc

not that it's particularly hard to set them each up and then config them to each other

[round bone]

yeah, I took me some time to do it

but yeah there is one think which sounds good for me to use proxmox. I can do updates and it it fail I can backup whole system and back to the issue when I will have more time.

@cold moon do you have dedicated server? proxmox? docker? HAOS?

[cold moon]

I keep my network separate from my server separate from my smart home separate from my security cameras

[remote pilot]

You can back up an entire rpi pretty easily too really

And then just burn the image if you're really in a pinch

[cold moon]

Well pi has no place in a home except for 3d printer control or backup dns

[remote pilot]

Well same with any drive

It's just a matter of size

[round bone]

I think I am not fan of PI

[pallid prairie]

What hardware for each

[cold moon]

Doesn’t really matter lol

[pallid prairie]

What if I have 100s of chrome books

[round bone]

but do you use HAOS ? proxmox? docker? for your HA dedicated server

[cold moon]

Haos

With weekly auto backups to Nextcloud on my server

[round bone]

Does it "always" work after update or experiments? Like you regret you don't have "back in time button" 😉

[cold moon]

Well I backup before each update

You can always jump back super easy with haos on any hardware or vm

[round bone]

even then I bet recreate HAOS is time consuming

[remote pilot]

dunno why you guys don't like pi

[cold moon]

You could backup the entire image I guess

[remote pilot]

I think it's okay for small stuff

[round bone]

yes, but not with HAOS on bare metal

[peak talon]

if you have VM or LXC hosted in some hypervisor like proxmox, the snapshots are super easy. Then have a schedule backup for those snapshots / backups. Proxmox / XCP-ng also offers API so that you can automate those as well - say with Ansible

[pallid prairie]

I think I'm gonna mini pcs now.

Idk what to do

[cold moon]

Only wrong answer is shit hardware running on sd card or emmc with no backup solution

[round bone]

well I see pi as a device for prove of work. After that you build the real device.

[peak talon]

I like my PI, one of my k8s node getting bombarded with experimental workloads every now and then. even if I stress than their power don't go above 7w 🙂

[round bone]

also for a custom device for custom needs, because right device for you doesn't exist or is too expenive

[cold moon]

I have 8 pi on my network but none doing critical things

[remote pilot]

the pi supports PXE now doesn't it lol

[cold moon]

5 for each 3d printer, 2 for backup dns

[remote pilot]

I mean I didn't say throw on sd or emmc

what is a backup dns?

like floating IP dns server??

also what kind of back up solution do you need for a pi. you could pop the drive and shove it into another pi if you wanted

[peak talon]

yep Mini PC are good choice unless you have specific idea on what you are doing, I don't think PI 8GB prices are going to return to normal, You get MiniPC in about that range and much much more powerful than pi

[remote pilot]

I'm not against using mini pcs either fwiw. maybe other than proprietary PSUs

[pallid prairie]

I honestly don't care about the money

[peak talon]

just run a container like duplicati and backup the data to your backups

[pallid prairie]

I just want it to be reliable

And easy to deal with if there's a failure

[peak talon]

Well then buy a Server hardware, you won't be disappointed, just have enough justtfication for power bills and the workloads you are going to run - one of the many good hardware https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-poweredge-servers/sc/servers

[weak yew]

Get a barebones mini PC and then install reliable RAM, NVME SSD and some extra storage on a 2,5" SSD. Make sure the CPU that is installed to be good enough for you.

Or just go overkill like manju just said

[peak talon]

but seriously if money is no object, build up a proper home lab with racks, networking, etc

[cold moon]

The people who need a server already know they need a server lol

[remote pilot]

lol

rack servers seem too heavy for me 😄

can't lift

no space

[weak yew]

If money aint an issue, do what manju said

[remote pilot]

*wait I have a lack table for the 3d printer I could fit a server rack underneath to stabilize it

[cold moon]

Lack tables are only good for redneck wrasslin

Actual garbage

[remote pilot]

I mean ikea furniture is made of cardboard

*can be

[weak yew]

Do y'all recommend any EU Zigbee light switches? I prefer using light switches over smart bulbes just incase HA goes down or anything.

[remote pilot]

I've accidentally punched a hole through a tabletop from ikea

[weak yew]

Watched many review videos but idk they just ain't it

[cold moon]

Pretty much all zigbee light switches except for inovelli are Chinese brand shit

I’d never connect Mains voltage to any of them

Although I think there’s a couple eu ones that aren’t. Usa for sure tho

[weak yew]

Ive seen highly recommendations for Aqara H1

[cold moon]

That’s a Chinese brand

[remote pilot]

I've been using this one but I'm in Canada: https://www.leviton.com/en/products/dg6hd-1bw

[weak yew]

ye thats xiami

[remote pilot]

I wouldn't touch aqara + mains voltage

[weak yew]

xiaomi**

[cold moon]

Sensors? Sure aqara are great

[remote pilot]

your house gonna burn down

[cold moon]

No it probably won’t but I’m not gonna risk it

[remote pilot]

I mean I've seen posts of people with melted ones

[fringe crater]

I'm sure GE ones are safe but they don't have many features :\

[weak yew]

Luckily my house is made out of concrete but HEY thats why I am here guys for some better recommendations 😄

[peak talon]

well that fear of HA going down is just fear and not real, not a danger 🙂 Run Z2M, the likelyhood of that going down is even remote. So even if HA is down - you could use other automations like NodeRed - or heck, even your MQTT client to operate 🙂

[cold moon]

GE jasco are notoriously shit too

[remote pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/askanelectrician/comments/noqwl0/scary_smart_light_switch_aqaraxiaomi_burnt_out/

a quick search lol

[weak yew]

It's also for my family that doesnt wanna use automations and will always use the light switch.

[cold moon]

Smart bulbs and switches aren’t an either or

You can and should pair them together depending on use case

[weak yew]

Country Of Origin: China**

They takin over brother

[peak talon]

Then use the fake zigbee switches - which is installable but no electric connection. Family will still get feel of swtich 🙂

[cold moon]

Chinese designed + manufactured + sold all by chyna isn’t the same thing as manufactured to spec by chyna for a us company

Very different

[weak yew]

Like the ones from Philips hue? i'll try and convince the wife, they ugly tho. Ill look for some different ones aswell

[remote pilot]

yeah I'd rather stuff that's certified compliant over here

vs overseas shipment

[cold moon]

This is why I bought zooz zwave light switches although now inovelli blue zigbee look good just expensive

[remote pilot]

yeah the inovelli seems too expensive to me

like lutron or leviton switches are in that price range

[cold moon]

Well based on how quick they go out of stock they won’t be going down anytime soon

And I’m not a fan of a separate hub nor the design of the Lutron ones

[remote pilot]

the GE zigbee switch is quite old too

yeah lutron design is kinda wack

[cold moon]

Idk which Leviton you’re referring to I don’t picture anything in my head

Leviton is the $2 brand of outlets I buy at Home Depot

Lol

[remote pilot]

lol

I mean

they don't have that many products really

they're pretty basic idk https://www.leviton.com/en/products/brands/decora-smart see bottom of that

no wait that's their wifi line

[fringe crater]

I think they have wifi/zigbee/zwave all under the same brand

[cold moon]

Yea I’m not a fan of those for sure

[remote pilot]

yeah and their site doesn't work half the time lol

either way, I wouldn't want mains voltage + uncertified stuff

[cold moon]

Word

[remote pilot]

that probably would void my home owner's insurance actually

like if I got an aqara switch

from aliexpress

[cold moon]

Although after reading how UL certification works I’m disappointed

They both make the rules and test themselves

Zooz does ETL

[weak yew]

yeah the EU switches don't even mention Zigbee once

just Wi-Fi

[cold moon]

Yuck

[remote pilot]

I think we have a separate certification system over here so idk

[cold moon]

The sonoff ns pro panels look cool but again… chyna

[remote pilot]

I was looking on amazon for some 14 gauge wire out of laziness

and it's not certified even though it is in the states

*the same company makes a different SKU that's certified in hardware stores in Canada

gotta slap a different label on it and print some different words lol

[cold moon]

Well if there was money to be made for a big corporation they would be

[remote pilot]

oh I'm sure there is, it's just wiring lol

[cold moon]

Can’t have shit in Detroit

[weak yew]

in many reviews I also see "Candeo ZIGBEE Smart dimmer switch" a lot

[remote pilot]

they just gotta make a new label for it and ship a sku with higher price to us

[cold moon]

Can’t trust reviews these days either

[weak yew]

dang

[remote pilot]

anyone try "no neutral" switches?

I wonder how bad they are with LEDs

[cold moon]

It’s bots and people paid to lie

[weak yew]

You also need the neutral to measure energy consumption right?

[cold moon]

Usually

[remote pilot]

I mean if you assume the switch doesn't draw too much

you'd think you could measure it even without neutral

or maybe including it in is actually reasonable? idk

[pallid prairie]

I just told the contractor that neutral was very important

[remote pilot]

o.O new build or?

[weak yew]

we came to the conclusion that smart switches sorta suck most of the time, what about wall switch module to make a dumb switch smart?

[fringe crater]

Those are fine if you prefer a tactile toggle switch, though you can't dim or multi-tap.

[remote pilot]

I think it's a bit confusing to have those too since the physical switch can be in the wrong position right

[fringe crater]

possibly, though anyone whos ever had a 3 way switch is pretty used to that by now.

[remote pilot]

I mean I guess but

you have only one switch lol

[cold moon]

Multi tap, long press, hold down is really useful for automating

[remote pilot]

maybe it's OCD but I like my switches off when pressing down

[fringe crater]

yeah if that bothers you, don't get it 🙂

[remote pilot]

haha

[cold moon]

Have you actually tried smart switches?

The presses feel fine

[gloomy spoke]

down == off, up == on is how nature intends switches to operate

it's in the book

[cold moon]

We don’t read gud

[gloomy spoke]

unless you're in Australia, where everything is upside down

[remote pilot]

lol

[gloomy spoke]

I assume they walk on the ceiling

[cold moon]

I’m still not convinced Australia exists

[remote pilot]

no I mean using a smart module inside the wall that uses a "normal" switch

[cold moon]

New Zealand and au people seem to be one in the same

[gloomy spoke]

I think they might object to that

[remote pilot]

I have the smart switch that has up and down be just buttons essentially

[weak yew]

They probably have good smart switches in Australia

[cold moon]

Roo proof 🦘

[gloomy spoke]

it's one natural disaster from reverting back to the poisonous spiders and kangaroos

[cold moon]

Not to mention the summer temps

45C+ in some places

[gusty sequoia]

I'm sure the kiwis will be happy to claim full credit for pavlovas if Aus isn't real 😉

[weak yew]

This smart switch hunt is going to kill me huh? feelsbad

with the wireless ones, do people just remove the ones they already have or just put the wireless switches next to them? seems ugly

[remote pilot]

wdym?

oh like the physical power switch

you could remove the switch and tie the wires together? 😄

I think they sell covers or you can just put the wireless one place

idk who would do that but it's an option

[weak yew]

mhm gotcha, I am just trying to keep the house easy to use when the old folk come and visit for a few days

[cold moon]

Check fire code before removing switches. Here they’re required in case of emergency

[remote pilot]

just put a post it saying DO NOT USE

on the physical ones

[weak yew]

"but it works? why wouldnt I?"

lol

[pallid prairie]

New to us house, renovations

[remote pilot]

ah

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-nilfgaard-slave-driver-gif-21658535

Or that

[remote pilot]

I was gonna say any new builds would have neutrals by default I'd think

or rather probably due to code...

[cold moon]

If they’re rewiring they’re adding neutrals anyways

[pallid prairie]

We're doing some serious reno

[cold moon]

Fun

[weak yew]

If you never practice your neutral, you will never be a good smash player

[pallid prairie]

What's a smash

[cold moon]

Kids game

[weak yew]

Dont have to burn me that much with 'kids game'

has a great place in my heart

[cold moon]

When a mommy and a daddy love each other…

[pallid prairie]

That I know about

It's why I need a home

1 bedroom isn't enough. Stupid baby in the living room all wahhh when I make coffee

[weak yew]

You dont need to build a whole house just for that

[cold moon]

His wife’s boyfriend needs a room too tho

[weak yew]

something something protection

[peak talon]

Quit coffee...😃

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[remote pilot]

Lol I just got this ad on my phone. I blame you guys https://boingboing.net/2023/04/06/this-refurbished-and-ultra-sleek-lenovo-thinkcentre-is-now-only-200.html/amp

[pallid prairie]

Rude

I don't know what to buy server or mini pcs

I can't make up my mind

[remote pilot]

why not both

[pallid prairie]

I can pick up a r730xd for 900 in Brooklyn

Prob even get the price down outside of ebay

But then I shouldn't run everything on the 1 server

[weak yew]

I'll think about the smart switches again in 6 months

[pallid prairie]

I'm gonna order the inovelli ones

[weak yew]

!remindme 6 months

[pallid prairie]

It also seems like crazy over kill

[peak talon]

I think you need to define what is your use case first. How many services you'll host, is it only for you or exposing services, video streaming, etc. Then decide. Otherwise since money is no object, just buy that r730xd and add more as you go in or sell if overkill later

[pallid prairie]

I wanna play with frigate for sure

I probably won't stream video since we can barely keep up with TV at is it

[peak talon]

How many cameras?

[pallid prairie]

Hard to say, maybe 10

6 to 10 probably

[peak talon]

As i give advise to others, get a free oracle tier vm (24gn ram) test evrryrhing there, even frigate and theb get a feel

[peak talon]

You need a coral

[pallid prairie]

Yeah I read about those

[remote pilot]

I tried to get a free tier vm

you need to set up a bot to get one I think

I wanted to put obico on it

[peak talon]

I run about 3 cameras in oracle free tier and still have enough cpu for all other containers i have. Each camera takes about 15% cpu. A bit more during actual detection and recording. I don't record full time

[cold moon]

Your cameras go to the cloud too?

You’re like the anti-me

[peak talon]

Oh yeah. They have started to cut down on those ampere instances now

[remote pilot]

https://github.com/Drag-NDrop/OCIScripts lmao

they also make you have min utilization according to that script

[pallid prairie]

Oh I can use unraid on the server right

I forgot about that

[peak talon]

Yes. And running just frigate with 1 camera satisfies that 😃

[remote pilot]

are you on PAYG or?

[weak yew]

Inovelli ones dont seem to monitor power consumption and that is a must on my list sadly. Also they dont sell to eu market I think

[cold moon]

Yea they do

[weak yew]

I'm blind? wait

[cold moon]

Maybe not the black

[pallid prairie]

Little Amp meters?

[cold moon]

But the red zwave or blue zigbee do

Eu is another story idk

[pallid prairie]

I get server, run unraid, haos, and some other Linux to run the zigbee stuff?

And another for camera stuff

[weak yew]

Justin, how much have you already planned ?

[cold moon]

You have a lot to learn man

[weak yew]

yeah lol

[pallid prairie]

Very little

[weak yew]

I loved the "some other linux" comment

[pallid prairie]

I just come here to bother smart home sellout in the morning and evening

[cold moon]

Focus on building out a network and smart home then get a server later if you are interested in tinkering

It’s too much to learn all at once without the want to learn all these things

[pallid prairie]

I'll probably just goto microcenter and buy stuff that's over priced

Or buy PC parts and assemble

[cold moon]

Whitebox is fine

[pallid prairie]

I enjoy the hardware building more than the software tinkering

[cold moon]

I’m the opposite hardware is how you break hundreds of dollars in equipment in a second if you sneeze

Cool if money isn’t a concern I guess

[weak yew]

I am very interested in both and also am very IT orientated. Have been learning HA, Docker, Docker-compose and a ton more in the last month. It is a shit ton especially if you wanna do it correctly.

[pallid prairie]

Hardware is like what I do for a living

So I'm comfort there

[weak yew]

I did aswell for a while

[pallid prairie]

But I'm also trying to get out of my comfort zone too

[weak yew]

Time to do some Udemy courses brother

[cold moon]

What hardware?

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-18392685

[weak yew]

🧑‍🔧

[peak talon]

Nope multiple free tier for long time. Never released my ampere instances 😃

[weak yew]

Innovelli doesnt work in the EU btw

[cold moon]

Just move lol

[weak yew]

My wife is American so we might fly back

[pallid prairie]

I run a repair facility, we fix computers for schools, iPad chromebooks, MacBook, etc.

[cold moon]

Cool

https://reddit.com/r/funny/comments/12hvpcx/whats_the_best_use_for_this/

Wonder if that comes with power monitoring

[remote pilot]

66 AC outlets

what

"fire"

[peak talon]

Expensive way to start a fire i guess

[remote pilot]

Due to every single one of my devices having weirdo sized power supplies, I would only be able to fit 12 of my devices into this "66" port power strip.

I like the 1 ft extensions for that reason

speaking of which I should buy more of those. been using a lot of them

[pallid prairie]

Good idea

[pliant forum]

down to the studs? Run a bunch of cables.

[pallid prairie]

In some places

I'm gonna put some conduits in for stuff I don't know about yet.

[pliant forum]

That's a good idea. If I built a home i'd put conduit / smurf tube everywhere 😂

[pallid prairie]

It's a ranch, and the basement has a drop ceiling. I haven't seen the attic yet, but I'm hoping one or two good tubes will give me decent access all over

[pliant forum]

If you need wiring suggestions check this slideshow out: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LNONZXsLi-R9ejamD9Bd2UfzpqjqEWVt0ZepTGmMC50/

[pallid prairie]

Oh cool thx

[pliant forum]

Yeah no problem. We built a new home in 2018 and wished we ran more cables while the walls were down.

So I consolidated a bunch of info into that Google Slides

[cold moon]

impressive little slideshow thing

it's a little too marketing for me but still some good info / hardware suggestions

[pliant forum]

Yeah I tried to recommend some hardware because I knew people would ask 😛

Definitely take advantage of (some) of the walls being open. Our house is 2 story but with no crawlspace, so getting cables around the first floor would require ripping open drywall.

[cold moon]

fyi the schlage zwave lock recommendation isnt a great option

[pliant forum]

What would you recommend instead?

[cold moon]

al calzone (zwave-js maintainer) has specifically stated not to buy schlage or august locks for zwave-js

[supple meteor]

anyone else having issues with lutrons switches not working in home assistant?

[cold moon]

kwikset is highly recommended with the least firmware issues in #zwave-archived

[pliant forum]

Really? I had issues with Kwikset.. and it seemed a-lot of others did aswell

[cold moon]

schlage zwave are particularly bad with a small / non existent mesh though

well in general a lot of people have issues with zwave because they dont know what they're doing, they dont have a big enough mesh to reach devices, or their devices are too chatty (and sometimes cant fix that with parameter changes)

so it's hard to take what people say "does or doesnt work" at face value regarding zwave if they dont know enough lol

[pliant forum]

My problem was that it always said it was jammed lol

[cold moon]

https://github.com/zwave-js/node-zwave-js/issues/5471

[pliant forum]

and it wouldn't update states after that lol

[cold moon]

that's something every zwave user should read over

and then facepalm cuz developers are consistently shipping firmware that is incorrectly taking advantage of the zwave spec

[cold moon]

i've had that issue too and it is indeed a firmware issue. i was told to just disable that entity. it did not stop from updating lock state or user codes or anything though just showed as jammed when it wasnt

[pliant forum]

Weird. It seemed like the states would break everytime it would report as jammed

[cold moon]

a reinterview fixes it and then i just disabled it and forgot about it

[pliant forum]

Fair. It's currently sitting in the garage 😂

[cold moon]

actually nvm i have all the lockjam entities enabled on my locks and all report OK

possibly fixed in a zwave js update that i forgot about idk

[pliant forum]

I need to see if I can find a matte black cover for the lock

[cold moon]

firstof9 (keymaster dev) highly suggests kwikset as well

[pliant forum]

We used to have brushed nickel hardware but switched to black hardware.

I suppose I could always spray paint it.. but I feel like that's ghetto.

[cold moon]

yea no idea

[pliant forum]

I can only find nickel and bronze on ebay

[cold moon]

also you should switch to zooz 700 series usb stick as controller recommendation

800 series is still basically beta

no backup and restore functionality and too new to trust firmware to lack serious bugs

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bluetooth/#cambridge-silicon-radio-csr-based-adapters

and bluetooth adapter should be on that list

https://iotawatt.com/ and this for energy monitoring

and ecobee should be a thermostat suggestion including the option for local control via homekit protocol

and the garage relay should mention it wont work with most new garage door openers cuz companies suck

and led strip section should mention controllers, individually addressable, 5v/12v/24v, and a few options

https://quinled.info/quinled-dig-octa/ i might be deploying this stuff in my neighbors house soon

[pliant forum]

Check Hub Recommendations slide 😉

[cold moon]

and lastly i disagree with coax in 2023 in any capacity

smart tvs and a quad tuner hd homerun

[pliant forum]

I do aswell but I left it there as option because some people have satellite tv and or an antenna.

Also Subwoofers tend to use coax for audio

[cold moon]

im too poor to know much about audio

thankfully

audiophile shit seems terrible to actually know about

like chasing the dragon

[pliant forum]

Oh yeah. It was a pain finding out all the appropiate cables and stuff to run.

[cold moon]

i'm happy with my soundbars and homepod minis in each room

[pliant forum]

A lot of people recommend 16awg then another person says 12.. then coax for subs. Super confusing stuff

Had to do lots of research for that

[cold moon]

eventually i'll deploy whatever rhasppy comes out with this year

a guy in my server does hdmi and other stuff over fiber

like usb over fiber.. gaming pc in a basement

[pliant forum]

I originally recommended HDMI over Ethernet in the slides but I switched to just recommending a conduit and fiber optic hdmi

[cold moon]

i dont really know anything about fiber either. just havent had the need

[pliant forum]

the HDMI route seems the easiest and the conduit would let you run a new video cable in 10 years anyways so

[cold moon]

yea

but to circle back the suggestions i have above are solid for updating your slides

700 series controller, ecobee thermostat, led strip additions, garage door relay asterisk

[pliant forum]

Thanks. I already updated some of the stuff on there with what you suggested lol

[cold moon]

cool

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/the-difference-of-an-ecobee-thermostat-integration-via-the-cloud-vs-local/386116

[pliant forum]

I'll have to do more research on the LED strip stuff

that stuff is more confusing than audio stuff 🤣

[cold moon]

that's some info to chew on for questioning ecobee local vs cloud

[cold moon]

it's really pretty simple once you dive in a bit

[pliant forum]

Yeah I knew Ecobee was an option. I've just seen some people report that when using it with HomeKit controller you lose some functionality

[cold moon]

it's basically just fancy tape that has leds on it with a data line and different voltages which make you able to run longer distances without power injection if you use higher voltage

and then controllers to "control" the leds

[pliant forum]

Venstar was highly rated and has a local API and everything and Honeywell was cheap and works with HomeKit or Zwave 🤷‍♂️

[pliant forum]

Yeah.. i'll look more into it. Thanks for all the tips!

[cold moon]

gledopto pro are zigbee controllers that are popular and wled open source firmware on esp32 etc are great wifi/ethernet options

https://quinled.info/

[mighty mountain]

What smart speakers are recommended for integrating with HA these days. Assume cost is not a factor.

[cold moon]

between his site and his youtube videos it's everything you need

his discord server is nice for sharing / learning too

[cold moon]

like speakers to talk to or speakers to listen to?

[mighty mountain]

Both. Ideally all would be able to play music, but some would be used mainly for tts eg a kids room, with some small speaker with w/e quality and others have tts with good sound like in the lounge.

[cold moon]

i guess the new homepods are a good option if cost isnt a concern

if you are a google/bezos fanboi then i'm not sure what "high fidelity" options exist but sonos are also popular

[remote pilot]

ikeas are rebranded sonos iirc?

[mighty mountain]

Do HomePods limit what you can do with HA in any way?

[gentle fossil]

not really, you are limited by siri though

[ashen apex]

So I think my (very old) NAS is buckling under the pressure of having to run Surveillance Station + Frigate + MariaDB + all my *arr apps and I'm looking at getting a SFF PC or NUC. What's the generally recommended VM OS these days that isn't ESXi? Something that can spin up docker containers without needing a full VM for them would be good.

[runic skiff]

Well do you want VM or Docker? ... There is ProxMox (VM) or Fedora CoreOS (container based OS)

Oh and you have RancherOS (Docker)

Personally use ProxMox as I don't care much for all that Container/Docker stuff.. But not sure how efficient ProxMox would be on an Infants PC like a NUC.

[runic skiff]

The stuff from "Ikea" isn't "rebranded" .. they are collaborations with Sonos.

[tacit burrow]

proxmox doesn't add much overhead, it's a type 1 hypervisor.

lots of people (myself included) have good success with proxmox on sff machines.
See https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/

Do you have the hardware dongle thingy for frigate? or doing it all in CPU? That's very taxing

I run lots of stuff on my 2 proxmox hosts https://imgur.com/xSrbbE9

[runic skiff]

Didn't say its not possible or wouldn't work.. Just don't see the efficiency in it. since with SFF/NUC are limited by a small/low power CPU, limited RAM, and lack of large storage capacity.

Running ProxMox with multiple instance for an assortment of things, especially Game Server Hosting (on a Windows Instance and a separate Linux Instance)..

If just running a handful of linux programs, might aswell just get 2 SFF dedicated to those intended services. ProxMox seems a little overkill for minimal usage.

[tacit burrow]

They’re probably not as limited as you think. You can get current gen processors, at least 64gb of ram, and 1-2 ssd or m.2; but yes no space for lots of spinning iron

IMHO there are lots of advantages of proxmox. Eg easy backups, failover between boxes, easier partitioning between vms, etc

[runic skiff]

I have several of them, including an old ASAU CrapBox repurposed to a Ubuntu Server... I know how "limited" they are

1-2 SSD 🤣

[tacit burrow]

Nuc are semi crap but sff box like thinkcentre etc are pretty good

[runic skiff]

yeah, maybe externally..

[tacit burrow]

Mine have one ssd each and latest thinkcentre support 2 iirc

Plus a m.2 slot

[runic skiff]

I think for the price of a new NUC, you could just build a nice home lab server.. Granted you need the space for it.. but you're not limited by storage space..

I'd be lost with just 3 internal storage options... when I have a rack lab with almost 300TB in it

[tacit burrow]

Yeah all my sff boxes are older (cheap too, $100ish). And managing vms and containers is imho easier than native, because they’re all separate, isolated. No dependency hassles etc

My main proxmox runs my firewall, add blocker, haos, dashboard, uptime, etc; and can live migrate to the other if required.

Each to their own

My nas is bigger and could run stuff if I wanted too. That’s an old workstation too

[runic skiff]

How well does that work out? Having the firewall off site, having to route traffic through a secondary system...

[tacit burrow]

What do you mean? None of the boxes are offsite. They’re on a shelf in my bathroom 🙂

[runic skiff]

Off Site = Not on the the switch or controller

[tacit burrow]

Both boxes are dual Nic, one on the lan, and one on the wan. My “modem” gives a dhcp address as required. Only the firewall/router uses the wan Nic

Wan = modem plus two proxmox nics

[runic skiff]

One on the "WAN" 🤔

LAN is local, WAN is not

Any hoot, seems like a large reach around to get to the firewall..

[tacit burrow]

Call it the wan network

As compared to the lan network

All local

[runic skiff]

rather just run the firewall from the Contoller (UniFi OS is my network setup, so the firewall is on the controller)

[tacit burrow]

The only router between lan and wan is opnsense running on either proxmox

Wan network is literally three devices 6” from each other with a switch in the middle

[runic skiff]

I'm not following since the incorrect use of "WAN"

🤷🏼‍♂️

You trying to say VLAN?

[tacit burrow]

Ok call it the DMZ then 🙂

“Modem” plus two firewall-router nics

You’re right. DMZ is better name

[runic skiff]

DMZ is typically used as a pass-through of traffic, ignoring the firewall.

A lot of people try to use DMZ when they are crying because their Xbox has NAT issues 😛

[winter rover]

Good evening, can you tell me if you have come across a Zigbee device that can detect contact closure, such as a reed switch, and send a signal to a smart home system?

[runic skiff]

You mean like a large number of different Products?

[winter rover]

Yes, any product similar to ZGD01, but without a relay and only capable of reading multiple physical reed switch sensors.

[runic skiff]

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/sensors.html

[winter rover]

The main condition is the absence of batteries or accumulators and the sensors must be connected using wires.

[runic skiff]

So then use ESPHome & connect a handful of wired Contact Sensors to the GPIO 🤷🏼‍♂️

[weak yew]

Yesterday at 3 AM in this chat I decided that smart switches a problem for the future was, because in the EU there aren't any good (atleast that chat or I could find) smart switches that I could replace my current dumb switches with. Wireless switches became the future problem for future me, but if I go with Wireless smart switches then I am still forced to buy smart bulbes right? how else are you going to connect the specific bulbs to the wireless switch?

My goal is to not need smart bulbs and just use smart switches so there are no dumb switches that can turn off the current to the bulb and that it can still be used like 'normal' without interrupting smart stuff automations.

Could anyone explain if that is possible with wireless light switches?

[runic skiff]

What are you talking about? There are tons of EU smart switches...

Ideally you wouldn't use "SmartBulbs" with "SmartSwitches" ... there is no reason to if all you want is on/off/dimming... Just get Dimmable LED bulbs and a SmartSwitch.

If you want RGB/Temp then you would need SmartBulbs

either Wire the live/natural wires bypassing the switch, then use the switch as a Contoller.. or get a SmartSwitch with a "SmartBulb" mode.

Or use something like the Sonoff Mini to work with dumb-switches to control the bulbs.. or use it as a wireless switch in Home Assistant to control a smart bulb.

[proper island]

Hello,
I will need your advice and I will appreciate feedback from you:
can you recommend me an USB Wifi dongle which is compatible with HAS?

Reason: I have a sensor which is working only in AP mode and it is writing the data into an TXT file and I want to connect and pickup that txt file

[pallid prairie]

I'm gonna build a PC and do the prox mox thing

I can make new instances to learn things, it seems like the best of all worlds

And reading about it seems like it's not terribly over my head

[weak yew]

@pallid prairie I just practiced in Virtualbox

What OS are you going to use?

[pallid prairie]

Haos

And prob Ubuntu or If they're another preferred Linux for the other stuff

[winged knoll]

Debian is better than Ubuntu for servers

[round bone]

just sharing fast research for EU

up to 80$ z-wave - https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-usb-700-series-z-wave-plus-s2-stick-zst10-700?variant=39493456429119 (I even didn't find a place where to buy z-wave in EU in reasonable price, maybe import from US but then extra taxes to pay and time, even not always possible to have shipment to EU)

real price 43$ zigbee, thread - https://www.hackster.io/news/home-assistant-s-skyconnect-dongle-offers-plug-and-play-zigbee-matter-and-soon-thread-support-ffc902b4d824

140$ - the cheapest mini PC with low performance hardware, probably I would choose something better

1W per hour is 8,76 KW per year
10W is 87,6 KW

still not bad comparing to for example Homey Pro which cost around 440$ with ethernet adapter. Like half of a price.

I am curious what is the cost of Raspberry PI.

[jovial zephyr]

Whose using these chinese bluetooth plant sensors (like this one https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07ZH7FQJ7/ref=sr_1_2?crid=25CIH593EJOML&keywords=plans+sensor&qid=1681227656&sprefix=plant+sensor%2Caps%2C194&sr=8-2)

Are there any known sources to get them below 22$/pc when buying 10 or so?

[cold moon]

Mi flora on aliexpress I think

[fringe crater]

This could be cheap if you're up for a bit of DIY: https://github.com/rbaron/b-parasite

[jovial zephyr]

yeah those ones. 202€ for 10pc is the best price I found there. It's fine - just was wondering if there's a cheaper bulk option

[jovial zephyr]

yeah I know there are a few DIY options but the Miflora ones just work fine and I don't think you really get all they offer for less on a DIY without a lot of hassle.

[jovial zephyr]

the b-parasite project indeed does look very interesting given the featureset. thanks @fringe crater

[haughty cradle]

Skyconnect will not connect in homeassistant. OS is Ubuntu. It shows that it is present but fails to connect. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[surreal burrow]

So I'm reading if I have a baseboard heater, I can't go with an ecobee, I need a mysa, is this right?