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tacit burrow
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there are no guests running. I'll remove switch from connection, but I think it happened direct too

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Nope, still gets dupe even when straight-wired.

jagged crypt
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proxmox config for me is this:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

iface eno1 inet manual

auto vmbr0
iface vmbr0 inet static
        address 192.168.0.101/24
        gateway 192.168.0.1
        bridge-ports eno1
        bridge-stp off
        bridge-fd 0
tacit burrow
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tcpdump only show 1. on enp0s31f6

jagged crypt
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if you are getting dupes, something else is responding

tacit burrow
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There's literally no guests, and ethernet is point-to-point. Will stop my wireless (other nic) incase mac is stupid. BRB

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Nope, even with wifi off, still duple

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will wireshark locally. look at macs

jagged crypt
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very odd

tacit burrow
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tcpdump thinks it came from proxmox. I don't get dupes from my gateway or other hosts on the lan...

jagged crypt
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you need the mac addresses

tacit burrow
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root@pve2:~# cat /etc/network/interfaces
#...

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

iface enp0s31f6 inet manual

auto vmbr0
iface vmbr0 inet static
    address 192.168.30.200/24
    gateway 192.168.30.201
    bridge-ports enp0s31f6
    bridge-stp off
    bridge-fd 0
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Both responses have same mac:
Ethernet II, Src: LiteON_48:82:48 (6c:4b:90:48:82:48), Dst: ASIXElec_db:be:5c (f8:e4:3b:db:be:5c)

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And there's no switch in the middle. Literally usb-eth + ethernet cable.

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will try another usb-eth nic

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No duplicates with a different nic. That's strange!

jagged crypt
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nic is on the mac?

tacit burrow
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It was a usbc-ethernet dongle. Brand new

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I just tried the usb-a dongle that's even brand newer 🙂

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:shootmenow:

jagged crypt
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so put the vlan stuff back in and see if it works? 🙂

jolly condor
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Is it possible to install a Zigbee 3.0 lightbulb in HA. I cant find any documentation on how to set it in pair mode

jagged crypt
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you need a zigbee coordinator to connect, like a sonoff usb stick

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@tacit burrow stepping away myself for a short bit, let me know if the different nic solves the problems

jolly condor
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Jepp got a ConBee 2 stick.........but maybe that does not support Zigbee 3.0

jagged crypt
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I've only used ZHA integration with sonoff-e stick, and it was easy to pair to an ikea bulb

tacit burrow
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afk dinner

jolly condor
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afk dinner?

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Please Im a ambulance driver with novice knowlegde about technical jargons 🙂

jagged crypt
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afk=away from keyboard

jolly condor
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ahhh............learning every day 🙂

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I guess its actually that the CanBee 2 stick does not support Zigbee 3.0

cold moon
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It’s on that list

jolly condor
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Cool thanks alot 🙂

cold moon
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You can watch some videos or read Reddit threads and decide if you want to use zha or Zigbee2mqtt to use zigbee devices

outer knotBOT
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@tacit burrow I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
tacit burrow
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interfaces is totally

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

iface enp0s31f6 inet manual

auto vmbr0
iface vmbr0 inet static
        address 192.168.30.200/24
        gateway 192.168.30.201
        bridge-ports enp0s31f6
        bridge-stp off
        bridge-fd 0
jagged crypt
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that's odd, I have both rx/tx on both eno1 and vmbr0 nevermind, re looked at your stats

tacit burrow
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Looks like I'm getting responses from both. Actually, I might downgrade to 5.15 - I was running a 5.19 pre-release

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Still dupe

gentle fossil
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Could be your subnet mask settings, either on your router or on proxmox, definitely not normal.

tacit burrow
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they look pretty vanilla to me; and there's literally no router or internet etc

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Dupes when connected port-to-port with no switch, same with switch

jagged crypt
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you don't have any VM's running, right?

tacit burrow
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My mac is 192.168.30.222/24 (static config). No router or dns.

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Not a single one

gentle fossil
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I always use the old style iface config

jagged crypt
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did you install the ifconfig, it's not stock on proxmox installs

gentle fossil
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Without cidr notation

jagged crypt
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(vs the new "ip -s a")

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"new"

tacit burrow
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I install ifconfig iirc

root@pve2:/etc/network# history | grep apt
    7  apt-get install htop
   14  apt-get install iperf3
   95  apt-get install ethtool net-tools
  119  apt install pve-kernel-5.19
  136  apt-get install iftop
  397  history | grep apt
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will try uninstall ethtool net-tools, *shrug8

jagged crypt
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that's not the issue, just was wondering if your install was done differently

tacit burrow
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it's new install, only since we were talking about, and the hardware arrived.

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So like a couple of weeks

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Install from USB/iso iirc

gentle fossil
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You dont have a second ip on the same iface right?
This is totally possible, besides the subnet mask issue

tacit burrow
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how would I have that? wouldn't it show up?

outer knotBOT
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@tacit burrow I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
gentle fossil
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Am on mobile, later aligator

tacit burrow
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and "ifdown vmbr0" stops the dupes. But it really shouldn't be responding at all

jagged crypt
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you shouldn't get responses if you bring vmbr0 down

tacit burrow
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100%

jagged crypt
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there's no ip address defined then

gentle fossil
tacit burrow
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ifdown vmbr0 kills my ssh session, but ping still works

outer knotBOT
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@tacit burrow I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
tacit burrow
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"ip route list" even shows empty list when the if is down.

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Interesting that the ttl is 255, which is a routery value, not 64 which is a normal linux box

gentle fossil
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putting down a bridge still leaves the bridge root interface up

tacit burrow
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yes, but it has no IP, so shouldn't respond. It totally kills the ssh session, just not the icmp

jagged crypt
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you didn't add a static arp entry on the mac did you?

gentle fossil
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what is the output of ip addr

tacit burrow
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Nope, no static arp, just static IP/mask. I even cleared the arp cache.

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ip addr on mac, or proxmox?

gentle fossil
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wherever you get dupes

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just woke up, not ready to read the whole article you guys had

jagged crypt
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he posted the "ip a" output about 5 lines up, just before you said "mobile, alligator"

tacit burrow
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🙂

I was trying to setup vlan with proxmox (without success, even with "simple" config)
Now distracted into why I get duplicate response to ping from proxmox, even with no VM running

gentle fossil
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yeah but that doesnt show what i want

tacit burrow
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and when I ifdown the bridge interface the dupes go away, but it still responds. (shouldn't)

gentle fossil
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theres a slight difference

tacit burrow
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root@pve2:~# ip addr
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp0s31f6: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master vmbr0 state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 6c:4b:90:48:82:48 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: vmbr0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 6c:4b:90:48:82:48 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.30.200/24 scope global vmbr0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::6e4b:90ff:fe48:8248/64 scope link
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
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I think I'm getting one icmp from enp0 and one from vmbr0

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enp0 shouldn't be responding, should it?

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I'll capture both interfaces from the proxmox with wireshark, and the client. DIfferences were small

jagged crypt
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ttl=64 on original ping, and ttl=255 that something is re-writing the ping

gentle fossil
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back again to the subnet mask talk

tacit burrow
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OK, I have three packet captures: local, prox enp0, and prox vmbr0...

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With 3 pings and 3*2=6 responses (9 packets). All with capture-filter icmp

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The ethernet layer and ICMP pa are identical between the dupes. Only the IP bit is different.
only packet-id, ttl, and checksum are different

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I think the capture on each of the two nics on the linux are the same actual packets. Have the same packet id.

jagged crypt
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should be exactly the same

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one is a virtual duplicate at layer 2 (vmbr0)

tacit burrow
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So (a) where is the dupe the client is seeing coming from, (b) why does ping still work when I ifdown vmbr0

jagged crypt
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you uninstalled the beta kernel (or booted the stock one, right?)

tacit burrow
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Seems like fake-response. ttl 255? But same nics

jagged crypt
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your captures show ttl=64 on both copies

tacit burrow
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Yes, booted back to stock 5.15.64-1

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That screenshot was the two captures on the linux box

jagged crypt
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wait your captures aren't showing duplicates

tacit burrow
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I'll pastebin the mac end

jagged crypt
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something on the mac is creating the duplicates

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you aren't seeing duplicates on the proxmox/linux side, you have no switch, you are capturing duplicate packets on the mac side

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if you run the ssh, does the mac side show dupes on the tcp connection? (and does the linux side)

tacit burrow
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Nope, looks legit for capture port ssh

jagged crypt
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so maybe we call this a red herring and move on

tacit burrow
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Heheh, ok. I can go back to vlan config. Which I never got working for no reasonable reason.

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But... I ordered a new usb-eth nic, which has realtek chip, so might not have the issue?

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my internet isn't fast enough to care about usb impacting performance too much

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Any value in pursuing vlan over usb-eth?

jagged crypt
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is that just switching to a different interface and still single legged?

tacit burrow
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no, if I have two working nic, one will connect to LAN switch, and one to ISP modem/router.

jagged crypt
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i think we had the switch setup for that, and managment loops back into the switch 🙂

tacit burrow
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I reset the switch back to factory/no-vlan. We can try again - if you think it's worthwhile?
The onboard intel NIC is probably better than the usb-eth realtek, but it probably doesn't matter, since my internet maxes out at about 200mbit, on a good day with the phase of the moon....

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[ 2341.013015] usb 2-4: new SuperSpeed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd
[ 2341.034083] usb 2-4: New USB device found, idVendor=2357, idProduct=0601, bcdDevice=30.00
[ 2341.034088] usb 2-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=6
[ 2341.034089] usb 2-4: Product: USB 10/100/1000 LAN
[ 2341.034091] usb 2-4: Manufacturer: TP-Link
[ 2341.034092] usb 2-4: SerialNumber: 000001
[ 2341.045137] usbcore: registered new interface driver r8152
[ 2341.047507] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether
[ 2341.177485] usb 2-4: reset SuperSpeed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd
[ 2341.228021] r8152 2-4:1.0: load rtl8153a-4 v2 02/07/20 successfully
[ 2341.257841] r8152 2-4:1.0 eth0: v1.12.13
[ 2341.265320] r8152 2-4:1.0 enx2887bada4591: renamed from eth0
jagged crypt
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well you get a nice long nic name

tacit burrow
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yeah, the other one was sh*tty too 🙂

jagged crypt
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i think the basic setup is the same, but i'm out, timezones and stuff 🙂

stark meadow
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Hello, can anyone suggest a neat ESP8266 package for driving LED strips?

zealous dune
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what kind of led strips

stark meadow
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I have some ESP8266 boards knocking around, but I'm interested to see if their any products that come in a box or case with a dedicated power supply maybe

stark meadow
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I might upgrade to the SK type at some point, can't remember the name. But I already have a roll of WS2812 here

zealous dune
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neat meaning standard power plug and a shell?

stark meadow
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Yeah pretty much, like a UK plug with an ESP8266 inside would be awesome

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I have some small project boxes knocking around here somewhere but it would really cool to see if I could buy something like that.

zealous dune
stark meadow
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Niiice, thank you

zealous dune
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there's are others intended for longer strips

stark meadow
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I'm looking to drive 60ish on each strip

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Does that count as long?

zealous dune
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nope

stark meadow
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Sweet

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The LS2812b looks like a winner for me

zealous dune
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i run 100 LEDs on the athom one

stark meadow
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With 5v and what sort of ampage?

zealous dune
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5v and a samsung tablet charger on 2.5a

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its effect only, never solid

stark meadow
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Cool cool, thanks!

valid forge
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Does anyone has a tip for a nice desk which will work with homeassistant for up and down?

cold moon
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So you can buy a known working hackable one

fossil perch
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I have a GE/Enbrighten 26931 / ZW4006 wall switch with in built motion detector. Part of the room is obscured from the in built motion detector. This switch has the presence detection and light timeout built in. Does anyone know if it's possible to use an external motion sensor to reset the timeout timer like the in built motion does?

cold moon
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Nah I got one of those and returned it

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Iirc it’s tied to the light and nothing you can do about it but maybe it has a parameter to change and I didn’t know to change it when I first started out

fossil perch
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Woah. I figured it out. I thought of a test to run after explaining my problem and thinking about what @cold moon said. I set the timeout parameter to 5s (test) and while watching the state of the switch using developer tools I sent a Switch: Turn on service call to the switch entity. It turned off after 5s. Good. Then I sent the service call every 2s and the switch stayed on until 5s after the last service call.

cold moon
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Cool

fossil perch
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Thank you for your time!

cold moon
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Yea no prob

winged knoll
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"all other" is a bit vague

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Well, it's out, but Matter is the top level protocol, it uses other things (like Thread) for connectivity

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The answer will be the same though, buy a Thread USB stick

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Same goes for Z-Wave

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No, and if there was it probably wouldn't be great

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There is (for North America) a combined Zigbee and Z-Wave stick, and ... it's not great

topaz jacinth
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do you guys use cases for your esp32? im looking to use one/two as a bluetooth proxy, but just curious if people are putting them in something

glossy prism
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yeah, i just bought some cheap project boxes online and drilled a hole in them to pass the USB cable through

topaz jacinth
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cool cool-- thanks

cold moon
glossy prism
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is it though 😆

cold moon
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Why wouldn’t it be

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It’s a good excuse not a good reason

gloomy elbow
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Have 3D printer, can print ESP Cases. Also I don't because I keep forgetting I can print things 😂

cold moon
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i print those for nodemcus

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there's tons of free designs on thingiverse printables etc for esp8266/esp32

topaz jacinth
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oh nice, will dig into that

civic kraken
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Yeah if you have access to a 3d printer it gets a lot easier. It was my excuse for getting one

cinder sentinel
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Trying to buy my first HA devices. Looking to get some deals tomorrow on AliExpress. Can I ask what are the common uses for door and window sensors? Do door sensors make sense for internal doors, or should I get only for external ones? Not sure yet what I should be getting. I'll be getting Smart TRVs too.

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honestly I don't even have a hub yet. No clue where to start lol 😂 I just want to start buying to get some deals, even I start using them at a later date

cold moon
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pretty loaded question but it sounds like you'll be going down the zigbee route

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for door/window sensors aqara are a cheap and pretty popular option

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if you have a reason for using the sensors on internal doors then it makes sense. like knowing when a bathroom door is closed

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you can go kinda crazy if you have enough money lol

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i'd buy an led strip or two from ali e while you're at it and maybe a zigbee controller for it like the gledopto (pro)

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you'll need repeaters for a good zigbee mesh not just the sonoff usb stick and a bunch of sensors. most of us use bulbs or light switches but confirm they act as repeaters cuz not all do

winged knoll
cinder sentinel
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Yeah my plan was zigbee. I'm not ready to decide on lighting yet tbh. No clue about lenghts, models or colours I want. I don't even understand what needs a controller and what doesn't.

Do I really need repeaters? House is not that big. WiFi range is good on all house. If Zigbee range is the same it should be fine?

What about the zigbee hub? Can that be any?

cold moon
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zigbee isnt wifi man

winged knoll
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Zigbee's range is about 6 to 8 meters between devices

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And sure, any CC2652 based coordinator

cold moon
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there are hard limits with how many devices can connect directly to a repeater/controller too

winged knoll
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Zigbee, like Z-Wave, is a mesh network, they depend on having routers for healthy functioning

cinder sentinel
winged knoll
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Bluetooth uses that frequency too, but it can't reach miles 😉

cinder sentinel
gloomy spoke
cinder sentinel
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how can I know how many repeaters do I need? And also can I get some advice on hubs?

cold moon
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we already went over "hubs" above

cinder sentinel
cold moon
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yes

cinder sentinel
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just for my ref and learning, is there somewhere I can read a bit about these and why CC2652 is the way to go? I don't even know what this does. Will this allow me to use the devices with HA, Google Home etc? It's just to try and learn a bit and not buy blidnlessly, and also not to bother here too much

jagged crypt
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need to find a local "friend" with a 3d printer now

cold moon
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you can search reddit threads for which device people use and it usually is a cc2652 chipset as well

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first you need to decide if you want zha or z2m (zigbee2mqtt)

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these are drivers that the zigbee coordinator will use

cinder sentinel
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yeah, that's the page I was checking. I just feel those docs are to techy already for a newbie like me.

cold moon
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you pick zha or z2m, then you pick your dongle or PoE coordinator, then you pick your devices

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zha is probably more noob friendly and it's the "default" driver in home assistant OS

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so if you want to use zha, either use the cc2652 chipset or the newer EFR32 chipset as talked about in the link above

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they are using the new chipset in their new device. if you want to use that now a decent option is the sonoff E series usb dongle in the adapter guide above

cinder sentinel
cold moon
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you can either do some research by watching youtube videos / reading reddit threads / talking to knowledgeable people here or just.. not lol

gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
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I just don't get it. When buying devices it only says it's Zigbee. I nver heard of this until now.

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I just watched a YT video comparing them, but still not sure tbh

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idk, having a hub and some zigbee devices, I thought some would be able to be controlled directly from Google Home or something. Even if over wifi

winged knoll
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The #zigbee-archived channel is the best place to get help and guidance about Zigbee TBH

cinder sentinel
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can I just confirm something about hardware? Devices only seem to mention Zigbee. Nothing about ZHA or Z2M. That means I can buy devices without problem right? I'll worry about HASS and a coordinator at a later date.

gloomy elbow
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They won't work without a coordinator. So you should probably pick one up.

winged knoll
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And buy a CC2652 based one

cinder sentinel
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I know, I got that. It's going to be a while until I learn how to set up a Raspberry Pi, HASS, and all this coordinator mess. I think it's easier for me just to get a zigbee hub for normal humans that are not tech savvy to be able to use the stuff with cloud apps.

winged knoll
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The downside is that the hub will limit your hardware options

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Embracing ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT means that you get to pick from a wide wide world of options

cinder sentinel
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that's the plan, I'm just not ready and need more learning

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but black friday won't wait 🙂

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so I prefer buying devices now, even if I can't use them straight away. I will get the TRV system that will work within its own app just fine.

gloomy elbow
gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
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I don't have a Pi, that's another hurdle. I have seen that Yellow, but OOS everywhere. Not sure if that's the easiest for me or I should go for Pi 4 and go from there.

cinder sentinel
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which connects to boiler. You need that anyway.

winged knoll
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You don't need a Pi, of any type

gloomy elbow
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Any PC, laptop, or fanless mini PC will do.

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And probably be much more powerful.

winged knoll
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Pretty much any second hand PC from the last decade will be better than a Pi

zealous dune
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and you can easily find those 😉

cinder sentinel
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hmmm, but is that the right way? To keep it on 24/7 in terms of power hungryness?

zealous dune
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don't buy a power hungry PC from the last decade

gloomy elbow
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I got a small fanless mini PC. Much more powerful, not much more energy. And it can run a lot of things which a pi would struggle with.

zealous dune
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being a PC doesn't automatically mean it guzzles 1000W

cinder sentinel
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I dont have any anyway. Just 2 laptops we use to work. I think it's best to get some dedicated hardware for it, no?

zealous dune
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my entire network stack and nas server

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gloomy elbow
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Yes. But look in the Black Friday sales for something. I have one here which I picked up for not much more than a Pi and it's about the size of a max/plus/big phone.

cinder sentinel
winged knoll
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My HA runs on an old laptop, peak draw with the graphics and screen maxed out is 45W, most of which is for the display

gloomy elbow
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You can pay a premium for the Intel NUC label. But similar.

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This uses max 20W.

cinder sentinel
gloomy elbow
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If you want to run Plex long term, look for something with one of their supported CPU/GPU combos.

zealous dune
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set a budget first then look

winged knoll
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For running HA - easy

  • At least 2 cores
  • At least 2 GB of RAM
  • At least a CPU mark of 2,000
gloomy elbow
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But other than that, get something cheap. You can upgrade later when you know more what you want and need after you've tried things.

cinder sentinel
winged knoll
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More is good, higher powered systems can often draw less power overall, since they can return to idle a lot quicker

zealous dune
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a celeron will be more than enough for HA

cinder sentinel
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will any of those be really cheaper than a Pi?

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and also, is the Yellow not worth it then? Seems expensive tbh

winged knoll
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The Yellow is basically a Pi

zealous dune
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yes when considering you need a pi, ssd, enclosure, power supply

gloomy elbow
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And it has a Zigbee and Thread connection built in too I believe.

cinder sentinel
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Yellow is $185, Pi is £40, there's a big bridge there lol

gloomy elbow
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That's assuming the base level pi.

cinder sentinel
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ah k

gloomy elbow
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I wouldn't get that. It's also permanently out of stock.

zealous dune
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i'd love to see that pi for only 40 and where you can get it

gloomy elbow
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And it wouldn't have a case. Which is a bit more than a nice to have.

gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
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but yeah, OOS

manic agate
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I had hoped you were right that they were selling them for 40 but looked and got disappointed..

gloomy elbow
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They've been out of stock for months.

manic agate
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also it is 40 pounds and I am in the USA so that would be more than $40

gloomy elbow
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MicroCenter would be a place to get them.

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But consider other options. They're nice with the small form factor, but not that powerful. You can get better hardware for not much more.

cinder sentinel
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can you suggest something please? I'm in the UK.

gloomy elbow
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I bought a MelePC very cheaply on Amazon the other day.

zealous dune
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those are super nice

gloomy elbow
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Quieter 3Q I believe was the model. No fan. It has Ethernet and two HDMI ports. And it's pretty tiny.

cinder sentinel
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uhh but tha'ts £300 lol

winged knoll
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There's tons of options on AliExpress, if you don't mind waiting a little

cinder sentinel
winged knoll
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mini pc

zealous dune
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although might be a bit too much for your needs

winged knoll
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No such thing as too much

gloomy elbow
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I picked up one of those but it won't boot at the moment. I have to figure out why.

winged knoll
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The J1800 version is a bit weak

gloomy elbow
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(The one tinkerer linked)

zealous dune
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and you get massive discounts now with codes

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ah right, that the wrong version with j1900

winged knoll
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Actually, they're all a little ... low end

zealous dune
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with ix versions

winged knoll
#

That's more like it

zealous dune
#

N3350 is good enough if the alternative was an rpi4

cinder sentinel
#

I'll take any recommendation from you guys, since I have no clue xD

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does HASS really need much SSD storage tho?

zealous dune
#

yes,no,maybe

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my docker system runs on a J3455

winged knoll
#

32 GB is the minimum to avoid running out of space easily, but how much you need really depends on how you use it

cinder sentinel
#

I mean, min options start at 128GB

winged knoll
#

Disk space is cheap, it's better to have too much than not enough

zealous dune
#

less space you go more expensive it gets anyway

gloomy elbow
#

No one ever regrets having more RAM or storage space.

zealous dune
#

true words

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appetites will grow

cinder sentinel
#

for CPU I guess it's just about budget, right? The more the better.

zealous dune
#

not really unless you process stuff

cinder sentinel
#

aside from the PC, what else will I need? The Z2M coordinator... what else?

zealous dune
#

considering you're power conscious that should be the primary factor

gloomy elbow
#

USB Extension Cable.

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

8% of a J3455 😄

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dev instance uses 12% for some reason

cinder coral
lilac rock
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Hey guys, unsure where to report this. Has anyone experienced corrupted SD cards that could be related to the recent update?

I have a Pi 4 8GB and running Supervised on Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, and my cousin has the same setup.
Yesterday he tried to update from 2022.11.1 to 2022.11.2, but HA never came back online again, long story short, SD card seems to be corrupted.
Today he got a brand new card, after restore (w/ new HA) it got corrupted again. Both were 128 GB Sandisk Extremes.
I just tried to update HA on my Pi 4 that has a 64 GB Sandisk Extreme in it (I've run this setup for weeks, previous update went well), and I think I got a corrupted SD card as well. Filesystem is read-only according to dmesg. But HA is online funnily enough. Trying not to restart just so I can get all the logs if needed.

What could cause this? Do you have any suggestions how to salvage the situation?

gloomy elbow
zealous dune
cinder sentinel
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Intel Core i3-5005U is the only one above 2000 CPU mark like @winged knoll said. Although I'm confused since @zealous dune said I don't really need much processing

winged knoll
#

I tend to budget headroom, on the grounds that almost nobody just uses HA

zealous dune
#

again, depends on what else you'll run

winged knoll
#

Also, like RAM or disk space, it's rare that you'll suffer from having "too much" CPU

zealous dune
#

if you get the idea to process video suddenly then it will not be enough

cinder sentinel
#

I get it. Ofc I have no idea what else I can use it for atm

zealous dune
#

that's why i said, first set a budget

gloomy elbow
#

It's nice to be able to say "oh I found this thing that enables me to do that. I'll spin up another docker container" without worrying about if you can do it.

zealous dune
#

otherwise we'll just say get a server rack

gloomy elbow
#

But if you were running Plex on your NAS, why not run HA on it?

zealous dune
#

now thats the big question

gloomy elbow
#

At least for starters. That's free. The backup and restore is solid, so you can migrate to something else later.

cinder coral
cinder sentinel
cinder sentinel
gloomy elbow
#

Believe me when I say it's not that hard.

#

Just use a docker compose file.

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I presumed the NAS was running anyway?

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

you can "learn" docker in an afternoon

gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

it takes one command line to spin up HA in docker

cinder sentinel
gloomy elbow
#

Honestly not being too gung ho can be a good thing. You won't end up with an unsupported supervised install

gloomy elbow
zealous dune
#

you're using tech savvy liberally then 🤣

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yes copy and paste the line from official documentation

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the hardest part of docker is installing docker if you run some nonstandard linux or nonlinux

cinder sentinel
#

yeah, well. Tech savvy doesn't mean dev. It just depends who you're being compared with I guess

zealous dune
#

using a command line doesn't mean you "dev", just that you're old

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or in linux

cinder sentinel
#

anyway. I'll leave it for today. I'll see what I feel confident to buy tomorrow with the deals. Tomorrow I'll prob be back for more... 😅

Many thanks for all the help though, really appreciated it.

gloomy elbow
#

Tech savvy means "not scared of a computer" and "knows restarting doesn't mean turning the monitor off and on again". But most importantly "willing to learn"

lucid dagger
#

Hi all, I live in europe (Portugal) looking for switches for my home. Here's what I need

  • Normal and three way switches
  • Some of them will be dimmers
  • Some of them will be for blinds
  • They need to be cheap and look great 🙂
zealous dune
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sure does

lucid dagger
#

Would also love to know in what aspects do they suck

zealous dune
#

if you use their cloud integration then they suck if the cloud goes down or your internet does

lucid dagger
#

but there is a local tuya one right? or does it have problems?

zealous dune
#

if its local you won't have such issues

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first you need to decide on the protocol

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if you're starting out maybe zigbee is a better choice for you

lucid dagger
#

My only question is coverage. I already have a mesh network (2 AP's). How does Zigbee fair when compared with regular wifi?

zealous dune
#

zigbee is also a mesh network, its coverage is as good as the placement of your routers

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the benefit, each and every device is local

lucid dagger
#

k, so I'll have one (Home Assistant Yellow). That means I would need to buy a second thing right? Are they cheap?

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Or do Zigbee devices act as AP's to others?

zealous dune
#

yellow is the coordinator, routers extend range and strengthen the network

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most mains powered zigbee devices serve as routers

lucid dagger
#

awesome

gloomy elbow
#

Also: Tuya != Tuya.

zealous dune
#

but not no neutral switches

gloomy elbow
#

You buy one smart switch and it works great, you buy another one and it doesn't have any support in the API at all

zealous dune
#

me too

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tuya in zigbee is less bad than tuya in wifi

cold moon
#

ah less bad just what i look for in smart devices

zealous dune
#

exactly what i look for

lucid dagger
#

zigbees are more expensive 😦

gloomy elbow
#

They're much better though, because they work even when the internet is down

zealous dune
#

so you don't want your stuff to work all the time and opt to save some money instead?

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good luck

lucid dagger
#

but if they are wifi, dont they work in local wifi?

zealous dune
#

yes if you make it work only local without the need of the cloud

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the thing with tuya is... you don't know if its supported or you're prepared to flash custom firmware

lucid dagger
#

understood

zealous dune
#

i have a few unsupported devices in Tuya official integration on wifi and zigbee

verbal geyser
#

Are there any wled controllers on Amazon?

ornate glade
#

I just got a Shelly Plus H&T. I goes into sleep mode after a few seconds, I need to hurry to configure it. I am looking for an option to increase the timeout, but cannot find it. Can anybody help?
The device is powered via USB-C

jovial pulsar
#

And nodemcu?

verbal geyser
#

Do you have any reccomendations on how I could power ~450 LEDs or so? I'm not against diying the setup, I'm just not sure about how I'd do the power management myself

true needle
#

So with some help from the community i think we established these types of remote controlled fans us RF to communicate

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Home-Decorators-Collection-Celene-62-in-LED-Indoor-Outdoor-Matte-Black-Ceiling-Fan-with-Light-and-Remote-Control-with-Color-Changing-Technology-YG908A-MBK/314459834?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&gclid=Cj0KCQiA37KbBhDgARIsAIzce17fp4FwzX-tmjSEOW8-MwW7PNAgqi6jKQqucKkAYJvG2qPTUHO3Z_caAvPtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#overlay

Wondering if there is some kind of third party device to make these devices "smart"

Please DO mention me if you have any ideas 🙂

gloomy elbow
#

I did link you to the docs for Broadlink 😉

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Those are very good for controlling devices of all kinds.

true needle
#

What hardware would you suggest

#

buying..

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Running HA on a NUC via VMware

gloomy elbow
#

Broadlink

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Any of the ones listed

true needle
#

Well thats how I would integrate it, but dont I need some type of tx/rx of some sort?

gloomy elbow
#

BroadLink RM Pro, for example, does exactly that

true needle
#

ahh the hardware is literally called that lol

#

I was thinking that was a "technology"

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ie zigbee

gloomy elbow
#

No, RF is the technology 😉

true needle
#

433mhz interesting

#

thats what we use to use with long range drones 🙂

#

thought that was only a European freq.

#

Do you have any experience with something like the BroadLink RM Pro?

Is it a loud/strong enough frequency to be heard throughout the house? Or do you need a device per room?

cinder sentinel
#

Yeah I'm still on it 🫣

gloomy elbow
#

Not important no, but it's nice to have quiet devices. Some fans are loud.

tacit burrow
#

PS @jagged crypt

  1. I put the new usb-eth back into the pc, no crashes yet
  2. Apparently there's another screen I need to set stuff in the switch to set vlan-ids or something. But I'll do that only for education, for now.
gloomy elbow
#

You mentioned your NAS was noisy, so you might appreciate it. But don't pay a huge premium for a fanless machine

jagged crypt
#

@tacit burrow let me know how it goes. I picked up some esp32 devices to play with espresense which is current driving me a bit bonkers (slow day at work)

tacit burrow
#

I've got some playing to do too 🙂 I bought a zig* coordinator, even though I don't have any zig* devices yet 🙂 And I think it's esp32 because that showed up in integrator

cinder sentinel
#

I'm not familiar with any Linux, so Id like to avoid any CLI as much as possible.

gloomy elbow
#

If you want to run HA as a docker container, Debian.

#

If you want to start on easy mode, HAOS.

#

(You don't have to use Debian, but it's easiest. And it does have a GUI)

cinder sentinel
#

Probably will do HAOS. Really not feeling confident on learning Debian + Docker + HASS + Mqtt o all at the same time

gloomy elbow
#

You won't need to learn MQTT to start with, you can just blindly install it following the instructions and enjoy it working

cinder sentinel
#

I hope it's that easy 😄

tacit burrow
#

HAOS is super easy.

verbal geyser
#

do tuya light strips work with home assistant?

zealous dune
#

yes

gloomy elbow
#

*Some of them, if they support the API

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If you didn't already buy it: give it a try. If you're looking at buying it, look at something else 🙂

jagged crypt
#

ug need to figure out calibration of espresense detectors, this may be a longer job then i should work on right now 🙂

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(insert picture of 3x esp32 devboards with blinky red/blue lights, all show a phone 3 feeet away at vastly different values in RSSI)

empty wing
#

Hi. Looking for recommendation on a Smart Switch 3Gang. Not sure if I should look for WiFi, Zigbee, etc.

rotund yacht
#

TLDR:

  • Looking for a bathroom cabinet/mirror in Germany
  • 100-300 euros budget but willing to consider more expensive options
  • ZigBee is the preferred protocol
  • Controlling light temperature and dimming is required
  • Controlling/having antifog is nice to have

I'm looking for a bathroom cabinet/mirror with lights that one could control via zigbee or at least wifi. I checked amazon and aliexpress but pretty much everything that I found is not actually that "smart", e.g. includes LEDs that can be controlled only locally via buttons on the mirror itself. While I'd like to set it up to turn on based on motion sensor and automate some other stuff. Antifog thing looks nice (although having never used it myself I'm not sure how useful it actually is), being able to turn it on remotely based perhaps on humidity reading (from an independent sensor) would be nice to have as well.
The closest I was able to find is something like this: https://smile.amazon.de/-/en/Artforma-Mirror-Cabinet-LED-Lighting/dp/B08ZS9VX7L/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?crid=3R2XNXE98D9EN&keywords=smart%2Bbadezimmer%2Bspiegelschrank%2Bzigbee&qid=1667987933&sprefix=smart%2Bbathroom%2Bmirror%2Bcabinet%2Bzigbee%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-1-fkmr2&th=1
This one does not seem to have antifog functionality. I also don't really need the weather report and charging station inside the cabinet so I'd rather have something simpler.
Philipps offers a hue mirror but being 42.2 cm or so it's quite small and pricey.
Another option I suppose would be to get a "dumb" cabinet and put this (https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09C3L3CR4?m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&tag=idealode-am-pk-21&ascsubtag=2022-11-11_fe6a23b4a6772b2a9a77e65b808d74fd83d478ef3e1ad6b4607c7b70aac78f94&th=1) above, the benefit I suppose is that I am satisfied with other hue products even though they are quite pricey.
Could someone recommend something? Or perhaps suggest some ideas how to approach the problem?

thin latch
#

Anyone has the tradfri color light? Is it Rgb or a few colors?

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I see it takes Rgb but I'm not sure if it takes any Rgb I give it

regal stratus
#

Yes

#

Colors are not beautiful IMHO

#

deep Blue Looks More like purple

#

Hue lights are better

cinder sentinel
#

I could upgrade the CPU if needed I guess

#

it's a miniPC I already own

winged knoll
#

That's slower than a Pi4

#

A Pi4 scores around 900 - if you use it, don't expect to be blown away

cinder sentinel
#

crap xD

#

it's the PC I built for my mom, no wonder she complained about slow

winged knoll
#

It'll work, it just may not be "snappy" - though for most automations it shouldn't matter

cinder sentinel
#

I'll see what CPUs it allows, to upgrade it

#

it should be cheaper than getting a new one I gues

#

nah, doesn't allow upgrade. Back to finding a new one.

cinder sentinel
#

seems cheap enough. Am I missing something?

zealous dune
#

decent

cinder sentinel
#

what could it be better?

#

you told me 2K CPU mark yesterday, so I assumed this was great tbh

zealous dune
#

i did not

cinder sentinel
#

16GB is justified?

#

well some of you I meant

zealous dune
#

its decent specs for the price

cinder sentinel
#

if you think it's short on something, I can get something more. I'm not too bothered for the price

#

I mean, £200 would be too much for this maybe

zealous dune
#

that's not what you said yesterday

cinder sentinel
#

I just don't want to have to replace it in 1 or 2y

#

obv I don't want to overspend for no reason

zealous dune
#

set budget... choose spec

#

you can't overspend if you set a budget

cinder sentinel
#

arf

zealous dune
#

seems you're suffering from analysis paralysis

cinder sentinel
#

idc about the budget if it's the right value

#

maybe, I just don't want to buy things without knowing what I'm doing

zealous dune
#

yesterday you wanted to buy a pi4, any mini pc shown was better than a pi4

#

now you want more...

cinder sentinel
#

because I thought a pi4 was more than enough for what I needed

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since you guys told me it was better to get something a bit more, I changed my mind.

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don;t see the prob

zealous dune
#

then buy a pi4

cinder sentinel
#

omg 🤦‍♂️

zealous dune
#

go and price out a pi4, enclosure, ssd and power supply then compare to the link you posted and tell me what do you think is better for your needs

#

available pi4*

#

or to make it easier, compare the pc you linked to a HA yellow

cinder sentinel
#

I said I changed my mind! I'm not arguing about a pi4 anymore. Just want a good miniPC that's not going to struggle in 2y

winged knoll
#

Without knowing what you're going to do on it in 2 years, that's hard to advise on

zealous dune
#

any of the PCs we linked are those

#

you just need to agree with the price

winged knoll
#

If you want to turn it into something doing motion and object detection on a bunch of 8K cameras, that's quite different from "just" HA and a few related containers

cinder sentinel
#

prob just HASS, automations. Maybe some security cameras. Not much more.

zealous dune
#

maybe it won't be good enough then

winged knoll
#

Motion (and object) detection on cameras is CPU intensive

gloomy elbow
#

You can always look into a Coral for frigate to help

zealous dune
#

i'm always amazed how much care people take in "future proofing" when they'll inevitably upgrade anyway

gloomy elbow
#

The thing is in 2 years your wants and needs may have changed considerably

cinder sentinel
#

probably not goig to do motion detection on cameras until way into the future. Seems complicated. So at that point, I'll just upgrade if needed.

gloomy elbow
#

I would think about what you need to prevent you being limited in the short term, and save the money now to upgrade later

zealous dune
#

that's the spirit

cinder sentinel
#

aside motion detection, is there something else that I might have to compromise on?

gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
#

will I be able to have remote control, voice assistants, automations.... etc?

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

you'll be able to have anything a pi4 can do

gloomy elbow
#

And more

cinder sentinel
#

no idea what a pi4 can do. But ok, I guess what all you are telling me is that it should be ok for now

gloomy elbow
#

Almost certainly

zealous dune
#

again: i run two HA instances and 20+ docker containers on a J3415 so you'll be just fine with whatever number is higher than that

gloomy elbow
zealous dune
#

that almost everyone entering the space

#

they all get enterprise routers, ap's, server racks for a "stable" smart home

#

i blame youtube

gloomy elbow
#

I mean I definitely upgraded my router for my smart home. But that's because I didn't have a choice for automating my kitchen extractor and needed to run IPTables on something

zealous dune
#

i bought a Xiaomi router, smacked it with OpenWRT and voila

#

my AP's are also Xiaomi routers

gloomy elbow
#

Annoyingly 2 days after I got it all set up I finally found a zigbee alternative. But that's life. And now I have Unifi Dream Machine which is nice.

zealous dune
#

each around 30$

cinder sentinel
#

will I need a new router? xD I wasn't expecting that either

zealous dune
#

my "server" was 60$ second hand

gloomy elbow
#

No new router needed

zealous dune
#

you'll know when you need a better router

gloomy elbow
#

Just stay away from wifi devices

cinder sentinel
#

yeah, that's the plan

gloomy elbow
#

That's the easy way to avoid needing a new router 😄

zealous dune
#

but you're probably not gonna run 60+ wifi devices

#

it just dawned on me why HA devs recommend Pi4 as a starting platform

winged knoll
#

Because you can't buy one?

zealous dune
#

maybe, but more to save Chaoses of the world from the excruciating agony of choosing the perfect server

gloomy elbow
#

I think that's more the reason behind Blue and Yellow

winged knoll
#

Ah... pick an imperfect one and be happy you're sad

#

TBH, a Pi is typically good enough to get started (ignoring SD card and power issues)

#

Then again, so is almost anything that's better than a toaster

zealous dune
#

and then you upgrade once you cry

cinder sentinel
#

can you guys help me decide on some led light + controller, and then some sensors too? This should be easier... 😅

zealous dune
#

oh no, it won't

gloomy elbow
#

Define "light" 😛

cinder sentinel
gloomy elbow
#

Yeah... you'll want to replace the controller with a Zigbee one or similar.

#

Then it will actually be smart

cinder sentinel
#

yeah, I was sure, that's just the strip

zealous dune
#

you need to take into account type of led strip, what colors and length

#

then get an appropriate controller and power supply

cinder sentinel
#

10m should be more than enough

#

just want about 2.5m for behind sofa. 2m behind bed, and around/behind tv

gloomy elbow
#

Magic Home is something that HA technically supports I believe

zealous dune
#

so not 10 m but multiple strips

cinder sentinel
#

then I will need 3 controllers, right?

gloomy elbow
#

Yes

#

You can pick up shorter strips cheaper

cinder sentinel
#

oh rly? I thought those were meant to be cut

zealous dune
#

you can cut them and buy solderless connectors

cinder sentinel
#

yeah, that was the plan

gloomy elbow
#

Though I bought 20m from Meross (came in 2 10M strips) and that's worked nicely for me with replacement controllers

zealous dune
#

but you probably don't want to do that

gloomy elbow
#

I'd honestly look for just LED strips without any app control

#

Or get Zigbee ones to start with

zealous dune
#

gledopto does good light stuff

cinder sentinel
#

but I knew I had to discard it

void dirge
#

just think about picking the right strip for your plans, there are many types

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

its not more expensive

#

you'll end up buying it anyway once the cheap stuff dies

gloomy elbow
cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

if buying separate strips buy from BTF LIghting

cinder sentinel
#

and it's only 2m strip

zealous dune
#

that's much if you never bought a LED strip kit

cinder sentinel
cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

a zigbee controller will run you around 15$, PSU 8$, strip around 3$ per meter, connectors another 3-5$

void dirge
#

you want to use zigbee?

cinder sentinel
#

yes, that's agreed from the beginning. 🙂

#

that's why

#

then I was going to ask about the controller aside

zealous dune
#

i think you're not looking at the price correctly

#

and that's an RGBIC or addressable strip which requires a different controller

winged knoll
#

Also, cheap strips are usually low quality, so you'll end up wanting to buy a nicer strip

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
cinder sentinel
#

fair enough. Are the ones at gledopto the only option then? I just feel there's a single option

zealous dune
winged knoll
#

I have a Gledopto controller, and a moderately priced (analog) strip. The quality isn't awesome, and I do regret not buying better

#

Thankfully, I can just replace the strip and leave the controller alone

zealous dune
cinder sentinel
#

I'm coool with buying a nice controller. But still asking which one. In gledopto there are many diff and I don';t really get the diff

zealous dune
#

as for LED strips: you need look at LED density, voltage, chip used and RA rating

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you can go from 30 led per meter to over 800

cinder sentinel
#

I gave it a read yesterday and "decided" 5050 was the "standard" thing

zealous dune
#

that's the common analog led strip

cinder sentinel
#

can you recommend the specific controller please? And we can go from there.

zealous dune
#

i said, gledopto

winged knoll
#

I have a Gledopto GL-C-008P and it works really well

cinder sentinel
#

there's 8 different ones in gledopto

zealous dune
#

there's more but ok

cinder sentinel
#

ok...

winged knoll
#

Does depend on whether you want RGB, single White, CCT, RGBW, or RGB-CCT

#

For lighting you (IMO) always want CCT or RGB-CCT

cinder sentinel
#

RGB and CCT, yes

zealous dune
#

then get strips from BTF lighting

#

don't expect good lighting from those, only for ambiance

#

unless you get the double row ones with separate RGB and CCT

outer knotBOT
#

@harsh scaffold Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

winged knoll
harsh scaffold
#

ok, I deleted

cinder sentinel
#

if I connect multiple strips to a single controller, the strips will behave the same way, right?

zealous dune
#

yes, just as a single strip

#

unless its an RGBIC strip 😛 then you have options

cinder sentinel
#

actually same for lounge, for movie time mostly

#

will they be enough? How can I know?

zealous dune
#

you won't know, its subjective

#

for me 60/m led strips are just for accent lighting

#

for real lighting i use FCOB strips

cinder sentinel
#

ok... So, I got 3 GL-C-008P controllers.

#

I'll stick with 5050 for now. I can always replace the strip, right? That's cheap.

zealous dune
#

5050 is the type of LED used

#

if its an analog strip you can pick and choose if the voltage is correct

#

LED strips can be analog or digital aka PWM or addressable

cinder sentinel
#

no clue what you're talking about, too much info xD

zealous dune
#

simple right?

cinder sentinel
#

yep 😅

zealous dune
#

this is what a high density addressable strip can do

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cinder sentinel
#

it's cool, but not what I need.

zealous dune
#

but now you know the difference

cinder sentinel
#

that's FCOB right?

zealous dune
#

nope

#

its a high density led strip inside a silicone sleeve with a diffuser

#

oh right, you'll need some of those too 😉

cinder sentinel
#

you're kidding

#

why? xD

winged knoll
#

Well, you don't need one, but it'll look crappy without one

zealous dune
#

for mounting

#

heat dissipation

winged knoll
#

I use some 60 LED/m strips in the hall, mounted in an aluminium extrusion with a diffuser. They're ok, not great, but ok

cinder sentinel
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oh god, ok, step by step. I only got the controllers so far.

zealous dune
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and not all diffusers are made the same

winged knoll
#

Thankfully there's lots of sites that'll bore you to death with the nuances

cinder sentinel
#

https://aliexpi.com/vbj1 is this the thing for me then, can you please check?

RGBCCT, 5050, 60/m, won't be super bright but will do ambience... not sure what else.

zealous dune
#

good

cinder sentinel
#

the price is night and day tho. The prev ones were £3 per 10m. This is £13 per 5m

winged knoll
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Well, cheap stuff is cheap for a reason

zealous dune
#

previous weren't 3€ per 10m but ok

cinder sentinel
#

£4,91, true

zealous dune
#

thats for 1m

cinder sentinel
#

algthough they were RGBIC

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hmmm no

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1m was 0.01

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xD

zealous dune
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you need to click Emitting color and Length options first

cinder sentinel
#

yeah I know

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I choose 10m and then Bluetooth

zealous dune
#

14.69$ with my VAT

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
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ok, if you get the "new user bonus"

cinder sentinel
#

ah, fair enough

#

break for lunch, back later 😅 Thanks once again.

zealous dune
#

aliexpress likes to get your hopes up

dull vapor
winged knoll
#

Do you live in the UK?

cold moon
dull vapor
zealous dune
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and the strip inside

cold moon
#

For example if you’re going around a window outside, people will sometimes use led pixels instead of strips and put them in white pex used for plumbing to create a nice effect

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There’s some pricey silica gel options too but they don’t always fit over an aluminum channel

dull vapor
#

Rgbcct 60/m under kitchen cabinets

cold moon
#

If you get deep aluminum channels you can mount the led strip sideways in there and have a better diffused look too

winged knoll
# dull vapor Yeah

All I can say for sure right now is - they were not bought Amazon or Aliexpress - can't find any record of them

cold moon
#

Under kitchen just need any aluminum channel / diffuser really

#

You need to watch out for hot spots when deciding where to mount them

#

that shop has the v channel or the flat (non deep) channels

dull vapor
cold moon
#

that talks about "hot spots" and a few other things

#

save yourself pain and dont use the cheap 90 degree connectors. just take the time and solder them together or use jst-sm or some other connectors rated for the amps you'll be using

zealous dune
#

the man knows

cold moon
winged knoll
#

What?

#

What are you actually wanting to do?

cinder sentinel
# zealous dune ok, if you get the "new user bonus"

I was checking and the BTL store are giving me new user bonus as well. If not they'd be £36 per 5m mindblown Is that really a normal price? I mean I can pay the £13 with the offer, but I really would think twice against a strip for £36

drifting grove
#

Hi! I've got a problem with my second Shelly 3EM installation/configuration. I had an electrician do the installation following the provided installation guide. The first one measuring mains on all three phases reports values correctly (clamps on all three phases, three phase breaker). The second device is measuring solar power and the numbers are off (clamps on three circuits between the inverter and mains, single phase breaker on phase B, VB connected to the breaker, VA<->VC connected, figure 4 in the user guide https://www.shelly.cloud/documents/user_guide/shelly_3em_multi_language.pdf). The reported power is ~25W when the inverter is asleep, ~100W when the inverter wakes up and does not follow the actual power reported by the inverter and verified by the other Shelly.

drifting grove
zealous dune
drifting grove
jade agate
#

what would be the easiest/best way to control a fan like https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/dp/B0052UA9ZE/ on humidity and remotely using HA. Guess I can simply jot in a Humidity sensor in the bathroom, (and add an automation ) and use a shelly, but Id like to be able to manually turn the switch too. (wall-rocker switch is in place now)

cinder sentinel
winged knoll
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Buy cheap, buy twice

zealous dune
#

We're not recommending things because they cost more

zealous dune
cinder sentinel
#

All I'm asking is if that's a normal price for this type of LEDs. If it is, I will just learn and get adjusted to the idea. That's it. It's just confusing when you're seeing plenty deals of 0.01. I thought LED strips were a very cheap stuff to do tbh. Seems that's not the case.

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£7/m for a good strip, didn't expect this

winged knoll
#

Cheap LEDs will mean inconsistent output across the strip - two adjacent LEDs may have slightly different colours or brightness for example

#

And, trust me, you'll never un-see that

cinder sentinel
#

we're buying in AliExpress. I think noone can expect or is looking for perfection here

cold moon
#

you're wrong

cinder sentinel
#

fair enough, I'll go with that

cold moon
#

chinese stuff isnt all shit, they sell good shit and shitty shit

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btf lighting is the most popular aliexpress shop and amazon shop

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same company just reselling for more $ on amazon

zealous dune
#

What's a normal price?

cinder sentinel
#

kk, won't argue what I don't know.

zealous dune
#

Because no prices are normal today because inflation

cinder sentinel
#

I think you told me a normal price before, let me check

cold moon
#

$15 or less for 5m ip30 60/meter ws2812b is what i consider normal

cinder sentinel
#

$3 per meter you said. That one from BTL was more than double. Was it that strange for me to think it was overpriced? :S

zealous dune
#

Price normality depends on your financial and psychological situation

#

Have I claimed that to be a normal price?

cinder sentinel
zealous dune
#

That's the average price of an average led strip. If that's what you consider normal then yes

#

And if you want average type Tuya LED in the search box and enjoy

#

Or buy Govee, YouTubers love it

cinder sentinel
#

ok, so what you mean is that that's a normal price, but I'm paying double because I'm getting "good". Is that it?

zealous dune
#

You're getting: not gonna regret the purchase in 6 months

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Because I hope when someone is asking for a recommendation that's what they're after

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Sadly it usually turns out they meant to ask for the cheapest thing

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Yet I persevere

cinder sentinel
#

yes, agreed. Just weird that means paying double. But that's fine for me this time at least. I'm just looking to understand the reasoning. Cause if I don't ask, after 6 months I'll be here again asking.

zealous dune
#

I will even recommend some Tuya devices I have used for a while

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I see you don't get out much

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Or you're in some socialist utopia where everything is the same

#

You can get a Hue led strip too... Probably not gonna enjoy their prices

cinder sentinel
#

I honestly don;t get the high and mighty attitude to someone that has openly said he's a noob and is looking for help

zealous dune
#

You'll get it later in life

cinder sentinel
#

I'm still appreciating the help, just feeling you're enjoying it making it harder :S But it must be me I guess, np

zealous dune
#

You guessed correctly

cinder sentinel
#

can I ask, how or what type of power adapter do I have to buy for the LEDs? Or how is it wired? Basically I got all these. If you could double check it's correct it would be appreciated.

cold moon
#

😦 i explained why it was bad to get the "solderless" stuff above

cinder sentinel
cold moon
#

those clips just use little tangs to hold down on the strip they dont have any copper so you get voltage drop and also have issues with data signal

#

and the connectors you have in the cart look like jst-sm or similar which are rated for 3amps

#

for power supply it's best to buy quality like a meanwell one but they're like 2x a "cheap one"

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but they're less firey

zealous dune
#

And double the price

cold moon
#

i said 2x a cheap one

cinder sentinel
#

are those JST-SM really the easiest thing? I rather avoid soldering tbh, not too familiar. And the SM look a bit messy.

#

but if that's the good thing I'll just go with it

cold moon
#

?

cinder sentinel
#

nvm

#

I don't get how the power supply is connected to the adapter tho

cinder sentinel
#

do I really need a power supply and then a power adapter? Is it not possible to get a power supply directly to plug into the controller?

#

just trying to avoid some wiring

cinder sentinel
#

how come most stuff recommended in QuinLED is 2835? Isn't 5050 brighter?

jagged crypt
#

I picked up this three pack - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B19KRPRC - of ESP32 boards. Wifi capability seems to be measured in single digits. Is this normal, or did I just mange to find crappy ones as my first cheap purchase into esp32 dev boards? (Was playing with ESPresense, a bust, firmware kept disconnect/reconnecting, not wifi. Switched to ESPhome tracking to play with, discovered crappy wifi)

cold moon
jagged crypt
#

yeah, i kinda figured it was a $20 crapshoot

cold moon
#

i just make sure i get cp2102 not ch340

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the price isnt really the issue

jagged crypt
#

that's usb/serial interface, that wasn't an issue at all

zealous dune
#

those two have on effect on wifi signal

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its bad design of the board

#

there's been more than a few bad designs like that for various ESP32 boards, lots of them by LilyGO

jagged crypt
#

the disconnect/reconnect wasn't a wifi issue, it is a firmware issue of some sort (possibly interacting with hardware design)

zealous dune
#

it could be borderline power if wifi is flaky

glossy prism
zealous dune
#

what i make sure is to get a board with AMS1117 for the vreg

jagged crypt
#

yeah, I was using a usbc battery pack and removed that after some some issues, running them on name-brand phone chargers of old (5watt)

cold moon
glossy prism
#

It doesn't affect WiFi signal though

cold moon
#

yeah TIL

glossy prism
#

But what issue with WLED?

cold moon
#

it's been a while but iirc related to flashing and corruption

jagged crypt
#

serial flashing was straightforward with espweb for espresnce, and then with initial esphome re-flash, had issues with wifi flashing until I moved it closer to AP

cold moon
#

you can buy esp32 with an external antenna design which works pretty well too

jagged crypt
#

still easy to believe I have crap hardware though

#

any favorites on US amazon?

cold moon
#

i havent been burned with hiletgo with esp8266 d1 mini and nodemcu on amazon so maybe one of their wroom32

#

is it in a spot where you could use an ethernet shield instead?

jagged crypt
#

i'm just experimenting, already have my wife asking "so what use is this?" 🙂

cold moon
jagged crypt
#

(no knowledge, found that blog while looking at espresense yesterday, so not a recommendation)

#

those are mini d1 esp32 units

cold moon
jagged crypt
#

micro vs C - any "real" difference to worry about?

cold moon
#

you can buy various models from him with external antenna design or ethernet or whatever

steep monolith
#

Just want to make sure the site is legit, it's a lot cheaper than amazon

cold moon
#

board limitations are the same

#

like <1amp power draw from pins etc

jagged crypt
#

thanks, that was my assumption, just wanted to validate

cold moon
#

that's one of the esp32 from amazon i linked above

jagged crypt
#

if I'm reading this right, I'm getting -80 to -88 dBM at 15 feet to the AP 🙂

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wait, wrong AP, it jumped

cold moon
#

i had fun figuring out why my esp32 with esphome wouldnt work on my vlan the other day

#

turns out if you have a hidden ssid it wont connect to it without fast_connect: true cuz it scans to find the best ap to connect to with default settings

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downside is it'll connect to whatever ap it wants to not necessarily closest in this scenario unless you lock it to only one AP in your controller (if your setup allows that)

tacit burrow
#

What are you going to use the esb32 for @jagged crypt

jagged crypt
#

$20 of experimentation with ble sensing. Right now, I think they aren't going to go past that level.

#

I've got 3 units, if anyone has any suggestions beyond BLE sensing

cold moon
#

suggestions for what? other use cases?

jagged crypt
#

yup

cold moon
#

well if they arent working well on wifi with the boards why wouldnt you return them?

jagged crypt
#

that's an option

cold moon
#

other use cases are buy a pir sensor or some other sensor (ultrasonic, etc) and make a sensor for going up stairs or something

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or reed switch for opening a door

#

or buy an led strip or two and control it with esp32

jagged crypt
#

or crap, it worked for the first bit of time as they power up then horked back to -80

cinder sentinel
grand solar
#

Heya. I own a raspberry pi 3b+ and want to USB boot from an SSD. Followed multiple guides but I cant get it to work. The ssd is recognized just fine under raspbian but when removing the SD card and trying to boot from the SSD I get "0 storage devices found" as an output. Any ideas?

cold moon
cold moon
grand solar
cold moon
#

Yea sd is the worst

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But even a pi4 with 4/8gb ram still isn’t great with hass and multiple addons (I used one for a while) so it’s really hard to recommend going down your path

#

Regardless my guess is you need to upgrade the bootloader on your pi to be able to usb boot

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If you’ve done that then maybe your usb to sata adapter isn’t a known working device

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Not all are

grand solar
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I did some more research and it seems firmware on my sata to USB doesnt like to play with pi

cold moon
#

Yep

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Sucks lol

grand solar
#

and that I can maybe update firmware on it and that it might fix it, anyways thanks for your advice on maybe changing device from pi to nuc or something similar

#

will def consider this

cold moon
#

I used a startech usb 3.0 to sata with a pi4

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Idk if those work on pi3

#

Thin clients are $50 or so on eBay

#

Used mini pc for $100 or so, new nuc 100-200 ish

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Used laptop with broken screen would be a cheap nice option

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Built in power backup if battery still works

#

@grand solar in case you didn’t see^

grand solar
narrow belfry
#

Any Synology users able to offer advice on whether to opt for DS420+ or DS920+ for Home Assistant (and media center) please? Is the higher spec CPU on the 920+ worth the extra money?

cold moon
#

Lol I just looked up the 920+ and it ships with a celeron and 4gb ddr4

#

Yikes

narrow belfry
#

Is that bad? How does that compare to a Raspberry Pi? I have one of Synology's older DiskStation models currently that doesn't support Docker. 😕

cinder sentinel
#

any good smart plug that's a zigbee extender? Want to complete my cart in Ali

cold moon
#

I’d avoid tuya

cinder sentinel
#

those seem Wifi too, so not interested. Any good one I can buy without thinking too much?

gloomy spoke
#

like a Google-like "I'm feeling lucky" button, but for Amazon?

cold moon
#

Tuya is a ‘company’ that anyone can go to and throw money at to help ship a device

#

Wi-Fi or zigbee

cinder sentinel
#

yeah I've only been hearing shit about Tuya tbh, poor guys

cold moon
#

Not poor guys they’ve skipped steps to be where they’re at it’s all well deserved

cold moon
cinder sentinel
#

no but really, what are good smart plugs that are zigbee routers?

cold moon
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I’d ask in #zigbee-archived I only know of the hue plug that works well. Maybe the sonoff s31 or s40 zigbee variant

drifting grove
cold moon
#

Ideally get one with energy monitoring

cinder sentinel
drifting grove
cinder sentinel
#

meh, just found they don't do UK version

cold moon
#

Just move lol

drifting grove
#

The Hue plugs are also great if you don't need the energy monitoring.

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I've got two Hue plugs which extend the network 20 meters to garage outside.

cinder sentinel
#

yeaaah but I just wanted to top up my aliexpress cart really 😅

#

can't get them on Amazon

stark meadow
cinder sentinel
cold moon
#

so if tuya is bad im sure the clones are a ton better right? lol

cold moon
stark meadow
#

Lmao, ok I'll have a look for a meanwell one

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Buy it's right the first time I guess

#

I'm looking to drive a maximum of 300 sk6812 leds

#

From my googling I think 100w should cover it

cinder sentinel
#

What about MOES wall sockets?

cold moon
#

more eyes on it

cold moon
#

powering on each side and maybe in the middle if you're wanting it to be 100% brightness or something but leds will die faster that way

stark meadow
#

Ok cool, so I could get away with a smaller PSU?

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Nice one

cold moon
#

well you dont want to run psu at max, more like 80% so maybe 10amp is cutting it close but that's what i use for 300leds 5v strips. i also dont keep them at 100% brightness tho

stark meadow
#

I think that's the best choice. Bit pricey though

grand solar
# cold moon I used a startech usb 3.0 to sata with a pi4

Hey, I made a bunch of checks regarding my SSD and decided to try and boot just straight raspbian from my SSD. Flashed in the same way as I flashed HAS and it booted no problem. When back and flashed home assistant again and same issue, refusing to boot. Why could it be that it works with raspbian and not home assistant?

cold moon
#

No idea

grand solar
#

Alright, seems very strange to me that it works on another OS. Kinda seems like the issue is not really the ssd or adapter

thorny holly
#

(Or whatever your respective pi model is)

grand solar
#

Yeah

jagged crypt
#

nevermind, looks like pi4 does eufi

jagged crypt
#

anyways, back to signal strength on esp32 boards. The board itself reports a -48db rx, the AP is the one reporting crappy rx. Which i assume means transmit ability on the built in antenna is bad. So wasn't sure what's normal for this.

cold moon
#

esp8266 with built-in "antenna" like 10 feet away but at a bad angle from radiation pattern from the ap -54dBm

jagged crypt
#

-25db at ~1ft reported from ESPhome sensor, Ubiquiti nanohd reports -65db

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20hz band 2.4ghz

calm turret
tacit burrow
#

It’s probably something else under the covers

proud anchor
#

Which means that it would work with the Tuya integration; just make sure you use the Tuya SmartLife app to add the smart plug

#

I've had problems with other Tuya variants (Gosund, for example) not working when paired with the Gosund app but working fine when paired with the SmartLife app

calm turret
#

So i need to add it to the tuya app (or tellur variant ) and then connect it to HA?

gentle fossil
#

try to not go with tuya, they mostly suck

calm turret
#

oh, okay

#

why is everything tuya?

jagged crypt
#

it's inexpensive?

gentle fossil
#

it connects to the cloud. it makes manufacturers wet dreams come true by providing users data via the cloud. you pay less but you also pay with your privacy in a sense

calm turret
#

I am not sure how to identify bad plug and good plug

gentle fossil
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good plug = everything zigbee & everything zwave

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bad plug = wifi most of the time

#

I'd strive to keep simple things (plugs, lights) out of my wifi network anyways

calm turret
#

oh, but i need something extra to connect with zigbbe or zwave right?

#

I have old mini desktop pc with docker

gentle fossil
#

If it is homekit certified it's almost always safe to go with it they also work local

#

yes you will need a stick to talk zwave or zigbee

#

if you insist on wifi I'd look out for homekit compatible devices

calm turret
gentle fossil
calm turret
#

oh

gentle fossil
#

yeh definitely integrate those with only the homekit controller integration, never use the tuya app

#

you will also find devices for homekit and matter, so its no exclusive thing

calm turret
#

and what about sonoff products?

winged knoll
#

With care

#

Some Sonoff stuff is good, some is ... not

#

Their Zigbee sensors seem to be mostly not

#

The power rating on their plugs I've heard is optimistic

calm turret
#

I'm gonna let it go through my head, thanks for help

drifting grove
#

Ciao

narrow belfry
trail verge
#

Hello,
I have been trying for a long time to solve a problem that I can't see the light.
Let's see if you can help me.
I have a two ip cameras one with the range 192.168.0.x and the other one by 192.168.10.x
The home assistant works by cable with the 192.168.0.x and I have configured it by wifi with the 192.168.10.x network.
What I want is that it can access to the two ip cameras, by onvif protocol, one for each different network.
Is it possible?
Now I have working the one that is in the same network of HA by cable, but the other one can not find it.
Can you help me to make the 192.168.10.x network also work by HA to see the other camera?

thank you very much

winged knoll
#

The correct solution here is to have your router handle routing to the WiFi network

gentle fossil
#

double nat?

trail verge
#

the issue is that from the laptop I can see the 2 networks, but these cameras are not seen by HA when trying to access it by onvif.
I think that I have not configured properly something of the HA wifi network.

winged knoll
#

Is HA connected to both the wired and WiFi networks?

trail verge
winged knoll
#

Can you ping the cameras from HA?

trail verge
winged knoll
#

ping?

#

Use the SSH add-on

trail verge
#

wait for me to add a sensor with the camera ip and test it. I thought there would be some instruction to test it without creating the sensor.

winged knoll
#

Just use the add-on and ping

#

Zero need for any sensor

trail verge
#

I have pinged from ssh and it does not ping the camera. I have something wrong with the wifi configuration on the HA.

winged knoll
#

Can you ping it from other devices connected to the WiFi?

trail verge
#

when you configure the wifi by HA, do i have to assign an ip in the ipv4 section of the wifi?
does it not overwrite the one configured in the wired network section?

trail verge
outer knotBOT
#

@trail verge When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

cunning horizon
#

Does a smart thermostat, like the nest or the ecobee, but without the need for a cloud, exist?

#

Why the confusion? I want a thermostat that looks like the a nest or ecobee but that does not need to connect into a cloud and can be controlled completely locally.

trail verge
#

It's working for me! thank you all very much.
It was that I was missing assign ip inside the configuration in the wifi part.

cold moon
#

you can buy zigbee or zwave thermostats

#

or you can use the ecobee connected to home assistant via homekit protocol

#

which is completely local

cunning horizon
#

yeah auto correct fucked me

cold moon
cunning horizon
#

ohh nice

gentle fossil
#

auto incorrectn't

cunning horizon
cold moon
#

The ecobee app or hass app?

#

Ecobee app isn’t needed if you use hass

cunning horizon
#

Is every ecobee its own device and can be added into HA with the HomeKit Controller? I never need to register that thing in any app or cloud?

#

I am asking because some smart thermostats use a bridge if you got more rooms they all connect to the bridge and you need to connect them to it via the app (like the tado stuff)

cunning horizon
#

So I know what to look for

cold moon
cunning horizon
#

Yes as I understand it, with the integration HA just pretends to be a HomeKit bridge right?

cold moon
#

Creates one yea

gloomy oak
tacit burrow
#

Anyone know how to convert a bootable USB key into an ISO image? Received windows 11 with my new proxmox box, and want to install it as a guest VM.

#

Maybe diskutility will do the job, sec

gaunt crag
#

I am looking for some cheap temperature sensors (maybe wifi) to control heaters. Anyone have any advice?

winged knoll
#

If you already have, or are planning to get into, Zigbee then the Aqara sensors are cheap and work well

gaunt crag
#

Does any zigbee dock works well with them?

winged knoll
#

Well, if you've got a branded Zigbee hub I'd doubt it, but if you're using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT then yes

gaunt crag
#

Is Zigbee2MQTT a dongle?

outer knotBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

winged knoll
#

No ☝️

gaunt crag
#

Ok. So once its on Home Assistant and i have it on a Rasp Pi i just need a Dongle. If so, any advice?

outer knotBOT
#

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

gaunt crag
winged knoll
#

About 8 to 10 meters between devices, depending on many factors - maybe less, maybe more

#

It's a mesh network (see the pinned messages in #zigbee-archived) so the functional range of the mesh is much more

gaunt crag
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If i have a dongle, then a divice 2 metters from the dongle and another device 2 metters from the 1rst device, the second device has signal because of the first, or the signal use is always from the dongle?

winged knoll
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If the intermediary device is a Zigbee router then it may use that intermediate device - or it may go direct

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It's entirely up to a device how it connects to the mesh, most will tend to prefer going direct if the signal is "good enough", though what each manufacturer calls "good" varies, and isn't documented

gaunt crag
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What would you advice me to connect several temperature sensors. A dongle on the raspberry pi or a Zegbee router?

winged knoll
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Well, without the "dongle" - the coordinator - you don't have a Zigbee mesh

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You need exactly one of those for any mesh

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You will need some Zigbee routers - exactly how many depends on how many end devices (mostly battery powered sensors) you have, and where they are, and what your house is made of

gaunt crag
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Thank you!

ancient island
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Hi, do you know if Appartme APRM-04-001 works with HomeAssistant?

winged knoll
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It seems to be Zigbee? If so it should work with either ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT - though you may need to add support yourself

zealous dune
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It's a rebrand of an existing one so shouldn't be hard