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cold moon
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And ‘just don’t use the light switch’ is a shit option

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If you have for example a zigbee smart switch and zigbee bulbs or controller for leds then you can bind those together

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So they work even if home assistant is down

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Guest / wife proof

stark meadow
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Ok, I'll have a think about it

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Thanks 👍

cold moon
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Yep

thin latch
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Any recommendation for a IR emitter so I can use home assistant to control devices with IR remote?

outer knotBOT
gaunt crag
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Hi. Does anyone was able to install Estimote Beacons as NFC Tags onn Hom Assistant?

thin latch
feral zinc
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Recently moved into a place, and they have installed LED strips in the kitchen paired with a Trådfri remote
However, I cannot for the life of me figure out what kind of LED strips they are.
Anybody got a clue from this video?
https://streamable.com/w5mc2g

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I'd like to pair both my HA Z2MQTT instance, but am afraid of re-connecting the remote as I don't know how I would pair the light.

gentle fossil
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You need to find the psu for them, somewhere in the cupboard

warm kayak
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Anyone know how accurate the Sengled e1c-nb7 power readings are? It’s a few watts away from my knock off kill-a-watt and I’m not sure which to trust

jagged crypt
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neither?

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was about to ask how to figure out how often my sengled e1c-nb7 reports changes in wattage, or is polled

warm kayak
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well I don’t expect them to be 100% accurate but there’s about a 10% difference at under 100w

jagged crypt
warm kayak
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yeah I saw that. I’m sure I could do something similar with templates, I’ll have to look

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Thank you though!

cold moon
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you're welcome

strange ferry
gentle fossil
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what camera is it?

elfin robin
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you ever get this message with the suggested power supply? I've been getting it since installing the power supply. 😦

Logger: homeassistant.components.rpi_power.binary_sensor
Source: components/rpi_power/binary_sensor.py:53
Integration: Raspberry Pi Power Supply Checker (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 3:37:39 PM (4 occurrences)
Last logged: 3:49:39 PM

Under-voltage was detected. Consider getting a uninterruptible power supply for your Raspberry Pi.
jagged crypt
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cabling changed?

elfin robin
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I just changed my power supply to the one mentioned in the comment.

quaint jay
# elfin robin you ever get this message with the suggested power supply? I've been getting it...

Nope. I have never seen that message on mine. That would be normal if the power supply is overloaded, but i'm surprised to hear it happening with that supply and what you say you have set up...

Even if I plug in my fan, load my cpu to 100 percent and copy gigs of files, i'm not getting that on mine. (I dont have an eady way to stress test my zigbee and zwave donges at the same time, but still...) So I'm rather confused as to why you should be seeing undervoltage on yours, unless one of your accessories is darwing significantly more power than mine.

jagged crypt
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i get that warning on pi3b's with 7" lcd's powered via usb 🙂

elfin robin
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  • pi 4 8gb
  • rpi-64
  • 500gb SSD
  • powered USB hub (zooz 700 series and zigbee 3.0 stick both on USB extensions)
  • CanaKit 3.5A Raspberry Pi 4 Power Supply (USB-C)

Typical load:
CPU: 4-12%
Memory: .5GB - 1.2GB

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using:
HAOS
Zwave JS UI
Zigbee2MQTT

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the power supply I changed from was a generic looking 3a 5v

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it made a loud whine while plugged in and pi was off

jagged crypt
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not sure how many watts on the SSD

silk sequoia
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Is there a good list of BLE devices that integrate well with HA? I would like to find some RGB lights.

cold moon
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not really a good solution man

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wifi rgbw-cct are good but if you want lots then you need to go zigbee/zwave mesh

silk sequoia
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Why are they not a good solution?

cold moon
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bluetooth in general is pretty flaky. it's getting better but as a means of communication for smart devices it's like the worst option possible

silk sequoia
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My passive BLE devices work great. That's disheartening.

cold moon
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home assistant recently started pushing for better bluetooth support and there is the bt proxies you can add too

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but no one is going to suggest bluetooth lights to you

jagged crypt
cold moon
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i am not

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i have a good network setup

jagged crypt
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sorry, what wifi issue are you suggesting you will hit?

cold moon
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wifi 6 brings mu-mimo

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anything not using wifi 6 is taking up resources from other devices each time it communicates over wifi

jagged crypt
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so dedicate 2.4ghz to iot, and try to make sure all your actual devices are on 5ghz

glossy prism
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That's exactly what my setup looks like

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Works well

jagged crypt
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my roku for example is wired on purpose 🙂

glossy prism
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Doesn't support 5 GHz?

cold moon
jagged crypt
cold moon
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in general i do prefer 5ghz and have band steering setup on each AP and placed APs in places where i want good 5ghz signal

glossy prism
jagged crypt
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i stopped using wifi for "reliable high bandwidth" after living in a loft/condo area that i couldn't stream that great ISO images 50' without any obstructions....

mossy hemlock
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Thanks I ended up buying a zigbee temp and humidity sensor for $2AUD from aliexpress before I found out about multiple options. I'll watch the clip today and see what my options are and I guess look at some sort of middle device between the container and sensors.

sinful tree
glossy prism
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No, you want to be looking at power supplies, not chargers

thin latch
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is there any high quality/accuracy smart meter i can buy, that can be integrated into home assistant?

cold moon
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Ct clamps at the breaker is the most common way

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Or reading from meter various ways like with a rtlsdr dongle

tacit burrow
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I use a couple of iotawatt, which uses ct-clamps

thin latch
cold moon
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Depends if zigbee or zwave or Wi-Fi

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I don’t have a recommendation myself, I’d see what people on Reddit and the forums went with

thin latch
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I would prefer zigbee

thin latch
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Just found out about emporia. It runs on a esp8266 module and there are tutorials on flashing it with custom firmware to run completely local

shy wyvern
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I'm looking into getting a Coral and Frigate setup. When looking at the different Coral options there is the Google Coral M.2 Accelerator with Dual Edge TPU version. In the description they emphasize that it requires "E-key Sockets that provide 2x PCIe x1 Lane".
How do I know if my mobo does that? I looked at the tech specs and even googled it but I can't find anything that sounds like that. My NAS has a ROG Strix B550-I mobo. anyone have an idea?

leaden sleet
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all, I have a Xiaomi Projector with a BT remote control. Currently I use an extra hacked BT remote together with a esphome ESP8266 + relay module to bridge the on/off hardware key on the remote, to switch on/off the projector. But it's not very stable, as the on/off pressing times needed vary on the display state of the projector and it's rather hack'ish. Is there any chance of -at least- capture the BT sequence, pair the Raspi4 and send the BT command to switch on/off straight from the HA box?

topaz gale
raw citrus
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Hi there! I just added a Tuya TS0004 4gang zigbee switch module to HA, via zigbee2mqtt. The strange thing is.. when ever I click on one of the 4 buttons, HA sends 4 commands to the switch module, toggling all 4 gangs/channels of the switch module. Can someone point me to the cause of this misbehavior please? (the same behaviour is withing zigbee2mqtt webinterface)

strange ferry
shy wyvern
topaz gale
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yeah, and with how much of a pain they can be to source still, doing it again i'd stick with an m.2-m key or mini pcie or even usb

gentle fossil
shy wyvern
topaz gale
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hah, probably because it's such a pain to actually use

strange ferry
# gentle fossil Link?

like this -> https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005003835458456.html?UTABTest=aliabtest343279_484915&_randl_currency=EUR&_randl_shipto=ES&src=google&memo1=freelisting&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=439-079-4345&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=11758679187&albag=116841987329&trgt=295204014427&crea=es1005003835458456&netw=u&device=c&albpg=295204014427&albpd=es1005003835458456&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsqqcntuK-wIVKI9oCR1ViwSeEAQYAiABEgLoZvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&aff_fcid=47c00d3250cf48a5bdc79305f50dbb4c-1667227731239-00114-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=47c00d3250cf48a5bdc79305f50dbb4c-1667227731239-00114-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=6ac68449f85548418d6e77bdff63f06c&OLP=1084400108_f_group1&o_s_id=1084400108&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2esp

glossy prism
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FYI you can delete everything after the first ?

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And including the ?

gentle fossil
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so this thing just outputs live via the composite I believe

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usb is only for charging

strange ferry
gentle fossil
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maybe with proprietary software?

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try it on a different linux box (preferably not HAOS) and see what you get in dmesg

winged knoll
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Ideally it should be detected as a uvc device

strange ferry
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i saw this in the host using lsusb

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Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0781:5583 SanDisk Corp. Ultra Fit
Bus 001 Device 012: ID 1902:3232 Generic GENERAL - UVC
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Microchip Technology, Inc. (formerly SMSC) SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Microchip Technology, Inc. (formerly SMSC) SMC9514 Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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i think that is the device 012

gentle fossil
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looks like it

strange ferry
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but in the container that have HA show this

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Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0781:5583
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
Bus 001 Device 012: ID 1902:3232
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514
gentle fossil
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1902:3232is the same

strange ferry
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yes but how can i get it on ha sistem?

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system* sorry my bad english

gentle fossil
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I'm not even sure if HAOS comes with drivers for webcams?

cold moon
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Haos sees my laptop cameras I think

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Never tried to actually use them tho lol

strange ferry
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maybe change in some version?

gentle fossil
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you can try different addons (MotionEye or something)

strange ferry
gentle fossil
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you first install the ADD-ON

cold moon
strange ferry
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i thinked that home assitant can access to diferent hardware connected on the raspberry pi

winged knoll
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USB cameras generally aren't supported by HA

gentle fossil
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while HA does support camera streams from all kinds - it in itself does not have a full fledged media sink

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it mostly just pipes packets from one source to the output

winged knoll
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You really want to connect that camera to something that can provide HA with an RTSP feed

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MotionEye can do that (though it'll provide an MJPEG feed, which isn't as good)

cold moon
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What’s the benefit of rtsp over mjpeg

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All my octoprint cams are mjpeg streams into hass

winged knoll
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RTSP is basically a carrier for many formats, including h.265 and h.264

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As a (very) rough rule of thumb, the data rate of MPEG-4 is around a fifth that of JPEG video, and the data rate of H.264 is around half that of MPEG-4, at equivalent perceived quality.

cold moon
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Interesting

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Didn’t realize the protocols were so different

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I’ve admittedly never looked into much regarding audio and video codecs and hardware 😢

strange ferry
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maybe i have a limited image of Home assitant?

gentle fossil
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I dunno what you run

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you can tell us

outer knotBOT
gentle fossil
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what is the code for this message tinkerer?

winged knoll
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install

strange ferry
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Home Assistant 2022.10.5
Frontend 20221010.0 - latest

gentle fossil
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Installation Type is the interesting part

strange ferry
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why?

winged knoll
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Because it's what tells us how you installed HA

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And so enables us to help you here

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Or you can keep it a secret from us

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Just means we can't help you

strange ferry
winged knoll
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Native Container, then you can run any software you want

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There are, of course, other options

strange ferry
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then i have the good installation for install some addons? but why i dont see the addons store?

winged knoll
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Because you have no add-ons

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You get those with Home Assistant OS

cold moon
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i still like that visual

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makes it obvious to new people that the docker version is "missing" things because no supervisor

winged knoll
cold moon
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needs more color

strange ferry
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omg... Now i dont know what i need do...

cold moon
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you chose an install method (docker) that assumes you are wanting to do all of the manual work to setup docker containers for various things

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if you arent comfortable doing that, then you need to do a backup in settings then move to haos install not docker

winged knoll
cold moon
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cant gif here handgesture

gloomy spoke
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<our plan is working perfectly...>

cold moon
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discord marketing team is funny

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they have an ad telling me my global emojis are going away and showing me in a server where global emojis are disabled

cunning horizon
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By any chance does or did somebody use a SONOFF ZigBee Bridge with zigbee2tasmota and has/had a GIRA + Senic Friends of Hue Smart Switch connected to it?
Wanna find out if those work with the setup before buying one.

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I am also open to alternatives to the switch - the friends of hue switches are just the only once I found so far that look like normal light switches without the switch part (which I dont need because I have smart lights)

cold moon
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Is that the sonoff Wi-Fi zigbee bridge? If so not gud

cunning horizon
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@cold moon why would it not be good? I heard and read good things about that product.

cold moon
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You’re connecting a wireless mesh to a wireless lan interface which is just not good

cunning horizon
cold moon
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I think you need to rethink your whole setup lol

cold moon
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I’m guessing you’re still using the hue hub?

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And maybe other hubs too?

jagged crypt
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If you are using a "friends of hue" product, and have hue gear already, why not just connect the "Friend" to the hue-hub?

cold moon
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Yea let’s not do that either

jagged crypt
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haha, I haave HA->hue-hub setup

cunning horizon
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I am using like 30 differend zigbee devices over deconz on a raspberry pi (and yes a few light are still connected to the hue bridge but that will change)
and that pi is connected via wifi and it works perfectly so I dont know where your problem is with zigbee2wifi solutions

cold moon
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Moving to zha or z2m and getting smart zigbee switches that work in smart bulb mode or bind to hue bulbs is a much better solution

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Oh the pi running hass is on Wi-Fi too?

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Dude that’s a bad setup

cunning horizon
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no

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deconz and the pi

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ha on a different device

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not a single problem

cold moon
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Ok

cunning horizon
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so I dont quite know where your problem is

cold moon
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I’ll just bow out and let you go down that road then

cunning horizon
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all I wanna do is I want to swith out my deconz/pi solution with the sonoff zigbee hub

cold moon
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Just know it’s not the best way

jagged crypt
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@cunning horizon you have a hue hub, why are you looking at "another hub" to control a "friends of hue" switch? or did I really misread what you asked?

cold moon
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Oops accidental click

cunning horizon
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well its the only way I got because I cannot run a zigbee dongle directly on my HA instance

cunning horizon
jagged crypt
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why don't you connect eh "Friend of hue" switch to the hue-hub that you already own?

cold moon
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That’s not the only way

cunning horizon
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cloud free and stuff

jagged crypt
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ahh ok, delayed response, got it

cold moon
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PoE zigbee coordinators are a better solution

jagged crypt
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if you block your hue hub from the internet, does your hue infrastructure stop working?

cunning horizon
# cold moon PoE zigbee coordinators are a better solution

well yes ofc a hub that plugs into the lan via cable is better but thats saying you should always use the lan port on your laptop and NEVER use your wifi because lan is better - yes it is but there are situations where it is very impractical to connect directly to the lan

cunning horizon
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so either deconz/pi or zigbee2mqtt/pi or zigbee2tasmota/sonoffhub

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and since I already use a ton of tasmota devices that solutions sounds like it is the best because it does not add additional software and complexity

jagged crypt
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or zha

orchid escarp
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I'd use powerline networking before using wifi 😛

cunning horizon
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I wanna avoid zha because I heard that device support is not that great - not bad - but not great either

cunning horizon
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in what world is that more reliable

orchid escarp
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it's quite reliable

jagged crypt
void hollow
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4 x switch inputs with no relays

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Use any switch you want

cunning horizon
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no I do not want I light switch - I want a button that looks like a light switch

void hollow
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Yeah so you just wire it to a light switch

cunning horizon
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no

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I have smart lights

void hollow
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Yep so do I

cunning horizon
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I do not want to cut the power to those

void hollow
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The shelly i4 doesn't control power

orchid escarp
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a light switch doesn't have to cut power

void hollow
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Although all of the Shellys can be used in detached mode afaik

cunning horizon
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my quick google search showed me that the shelly i4 is a wifi relay

void hollow
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The i4 has 4 inputs and no outputs

cunning horizon
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why would I want that

void hollow
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It's not

cunning horizon
void hollow
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There's no relays. And even if there was it doesn't matter

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You wire the switch. You press the switch. The shelly detects the switch is pressed

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Then you can use HA/MQTT/HTTP to do what you want

cunning horizon
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yea but that does require me to install it in a socket

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I cannot just put it anywhere

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that allows me to use the original light switch yes

void hollow
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Yeah but it'll last forever

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Just add in a second light switch next to it

cunning horizon
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yes but I cannot just add a light switch anywhere

void hollow
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Leave one for mains isolation and the other one( or more) for control/scenes

cunning horizon
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I get what you are trying to tell me

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but that does not work for me

void hollow
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Can't you just add 2 swirches where there is the one

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I don't know what country you're in

cunning horizon
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All I want is a smart button that looks like a light switch and runs on either battery or like the friends of hue things on the button press itslef

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so that i can put it wherever I want

void hollow
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But in Australia you can fit 6 light switches in the same plate that one switch fits into

orchid escarp
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thats a lot of switches

cunning horizon
jagged crypt
cunning horizon
cunning horizon
orchid escarp
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hardwire > RF any day of the week

cunning horizon
orchid escarp
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i use wifi on devices that are not critical

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or not pratical to use ethernet on

jagged crypt
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Magnavox, looks like a standard dimmer in my experience, but understand this becomes highly subjective

cunning horizon
# orchid escarp or not pratical to use ethernet on

I have no problem with this. I do however have a problem with the fact that you would use a power line adapter before you would use wifi - it just is not true that that is more reliable not to speak of the security concerns there

orchid escarp
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wifi is far less secure

cunning horizon
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NOPE

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I work at a datacentre and can assure you that what you just said is not true

cold moon
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I thought we were talking about residential

orchid escarp
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i worked at many data centers as well, and I can assure you we never had anyone use wifi for anything 😛

cunning horizon
cold moon
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If they have access to your electrical grid they’re already on prem

cunning horizon
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just establishing credentials

cold moon
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Wi-Fi they can do from the curb

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Further

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You are ignoring a big part of why people above were suggesting a better solution

cunning horizon
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as long as you set up your wifi correctly they cannot just get in

cold moon
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With zigbee light switches you can bind them to smart bulbs so they work when hass is down

orchid escarp
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they "can't just get in" with the powerline networking either

cold moon
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And even without binding you can do smart bulb mode so the switches don’t cut power to the bulbs

orchid escarp
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wifi bands can also be jammed

cold moon
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Regardless, I would buy more zigbee devices that fit your needs and move to zha or z2m from deconz

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And not buy random friends with hue shit

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No one here will suggest those

wide crest
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Everything is insecure we just don’t know why yet

cold moon
cunning horizon
# orchid escarp wifi bands can also be jammed

well yes but if somebody targets me specifically and jams my wifi I have bigger problems than not being able to turn on my lights. And they would need a pretty big jammer to get though my 1 meter reinforced concrete walls

orchid escarp
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not everyone lives in a bunker like you 😉

cunning horizon
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well yes we build real houses here in the eu

orchid escarp
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  • laughs in air conditioning *
cunning horizon
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but the fact is that power line adapers are less secure and less reliable because noisy power leads to packet loss which is very bad - wifi works just fine and ofc a direct lan connection is preferable but in a lot of cases not feasible

wide crest
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Security aside, power line has always been a disaster here. I assume it’s because my house has shit wiring but ultimately it’s not something that’s worked for me.

jagged crypt
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My funny story with powerline (from ~2010 timeframe), was trying out powerline in my house, and plugging in the client side only and getting a dhcp response from my neighbor's setup. I was in a standalone house, not an apartment complex.

orchid escarp
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ethernet > powerline > wifi

cunning horizon
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is the problem

orchid escarp
cold moon
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I mean I’m anti power line but if I had to choose between that and Wi-Fi I’d do the former. If the wiring is fucked in the house it’s another matter

cunning horizon
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ofc it does but we where speaking in general terms

cold moon
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General terms expects wiring not to be fucked

cunning horizon
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most people also live in apartments

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where that would be very very bad

orchid escarp
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not really, the use encryption as well

cold moon
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BRB hacking the grid

cunning horizon
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and the wiring does not need to be fucked in order for your packets to go outside your house - you just need a power meter from like 10 years ago and it will do that

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well I tried

cold moon
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Im anti Wi-Fi interface as next hop from zigbee I’m not pro running internet on grid

cunning horizon
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What I find more annoying here is the fact that I just asked if product a works with product b - my question was not if somebody should use a power line adapter or not

cold moon
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This is hardware suggestions not google

cunning horizon
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WOW

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the channel is here so that people can ask if a specific product works

cold moon
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You came in here with a crap design so we tried to help

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At every corner you double down why your crap design works

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It’s that simple

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We try to help people avoid buying bad shit

cunning horizon
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the onyl "crap" thing about my design is that it uses wifi as a next hop after zigbee - I cannot change that you dont know the layout of my house man

cold moon
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I.e. friends of hue isn’t suggested here

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I already suggested using a PoE coordinator

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Or just building out a good zigbee mesh

cunning horizon
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you seem to misunderstand - I only asked about the friends of hue product

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because it fts my criteria

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not because of the hue bridge

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its the only zigbee device I found that fit why I am looking for

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got nothing to do with hue

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its just in the name

jagged crypt
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if it's the only option, purchase and test

cunning horizon
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well its the only option I found (GOOGLING @cold moon) thats why I came here to see if somebody know something I dont

cold moon
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What’s the specific use case then?

cunning horizon
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not tell me that hard wired ethernet is better than wifi - next you tell me that the sun is hot

cold moon
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Just a zigbee dimmer / remote with buttons?

cunning horizon
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I am looking for a zigbee button that looks like a traditional eu light switch

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which the "GIRA + Senic Friends of Hue Smart Switch" is

cold moon
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Well part of why I tried to have you step back and rethink your setup is once confirming you’d be using it with zha or z2m we could then verify it works by searching forums etc

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I guess you want the deconz discord for confirming support in that case

cunning horizon
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its just A: expensive and B: I have no idea if it works with the hub I posted because I found conficting info online thats why I asked if somebody has the setup and knows if it works or not or if somebody knows a better supported product

cold moon
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If searching isn’t yielding results

jagged crypt
cunning horizon
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I saw that one

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but I do want to avoid zha

cunning horizon
cunning horizon
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I am still open to other hardware suggestions if somebody know a product that would fit my description

jagged crypt
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tangental question for people here, why all the dislike for ZHA? Is it just limited support for different hardware that people are using?

fierce finch
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hi guys i wonder if someone here is using the Odroid M1 ?

jagged crypt
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nope, I looked at odroids (n2) and then just bought an old i5-6500t SFF for $150 USD and am quite happy (and power draw is 10watts)

glossy prism
cunning horizon
jagged crypt
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i assume ZHA is also "newer", so if you built a system on non-zha, not really any reason to change

winged knoll
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Neither ZHA or Z2M are better, or newer, they're just ... different

jagged crypt
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magnav0x, thanks, i sort of thought that, but the responses on here (and zigbee channel) seem to be "don't use zha" in my brief experience on this discord

feral zinc
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Suggestions for cheap motion sensors?

jagged crypt
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ebay hue refurbs?

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it's how i built up my motion sensors in my hue network

slate stream
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In the market for door and pir

feral zinc
slate stream
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Unreliable.

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Some fall off the radar after says. Been re adding them

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Bye bye sonoff

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My mesh has loads or routers so it's not distance

glossy prism
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The SNZB line of sensors from Itead were terrible in my experience

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I was bummed too because I was hoping I found a decent cheap Zigbee motion sensor

slate stream
cold moon
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hue pir zigbee sensors all the way man

slate stream
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Looking at linkind

cold moon
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i just got an aqara door/window sensor and it seems pretty responsive but havent had it long enough to see if it falls off or anything

slate stream
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Hue maybe. But I would like to buy tech for honest price. Not the endless commercial branding Philips does

cold moon
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no one complains about hue WAF

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just cost

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pairs great with z2m or zha

slate stream
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What's the blind time of hue?

cold moon
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you mean retrigger time?

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30 seconds

slate stream
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Ye

cold moon
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which is about the lowest you can get without haxxors

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or wired

slate stream
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And has door sensors?

cold moon
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i dont think so

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the aqara ones are heavily suggested

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that's why i got one

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they're tiny too

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i found out you cant bind them to work with a light so you if hass is down they wont work but not the end of the world

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apparently no zigbee door/window sensors allow binding to a bulb which is an obvious limitation compared to zwave sensors

slate stream
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Linkind has Discount on site now

jagged crypt
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$33 usd for hue refurbs on ebay (motion sensor) vs ~$20 for something else? $13 is pretty cheap for not having to deal with it after you set it up 🙂

cold moon
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i wouldnt buy refurb when new is like $7 more

jagged crypt
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(pardon the USD for non US people)

cold moon
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oh yikes they went up $10

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50 a sensor lol shit

slate stream
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Anyone else recommends something else?

jagged crypt
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I've only heard people complain about non Hue sensors

cold moon
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yea

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gold standard waf = hue man

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aqara pir are cheap

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and people liek those too

void hollow
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WAF nothing beats hardwired sensors for reliability

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But obviously you need to wire it

cold moon
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yea but it's rare someone actually wants to run wires

jagged crypt
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WAF = web application firewall to me

cold moon
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that shit sucks

slate stream
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Wife Acceptance Factor

void hollow
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PIR i would run hardwired

cold moon
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it's boomer humor stuff mostly

void hollow
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Door sensor probably just ZigBee

jagged crypt
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i've been running hue motion sensors on hue hub to trigger lights in our house for three years, we walk into the bathroom without a motion sensor and wait for the light to trigger....

void hollow
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Run it once and never have to worry about it for 25 years

slate stream
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Mainly toilets

void hollow
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Don't forget Shelly's also work with motion sensord

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If that's your bag

slate stream
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Those are UGLY

void hollow
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Plus it'll be completely network independent

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They're in a wall box?

slate stream
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That's like 70ies design

jagged crypt
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this discussion i may order another hue motion for the bathroom.... also to test with ZHA direct

slate stream
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They got a V2 but still

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Huge ass unit

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That's why I went sonoff for starts

cold moon
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i have one of those in a bathroom cuz it does humidity too

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zwave and same price as hue tho

jagged crypt
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are the sonoff temp/humidity sensors any good?

cold moon
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and battery life isnt even close compared to hue but i did leave reporting too frequent at first

slate stream
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A good lineup with decent tests. From about halfway

stark meadow
#

Ayo, any suggestions for a neat esp32 / 8266 solution for a led strip. Like a project box? What would be really cool would be if it was built into the plug/psu

slate stream
stark meadow
zealous dune
loud kiln
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Any recs for a zigbee switch that can fit in a US 1-gang thing, and can be directly bound to Hue or Tradfri bulbs?

narrow belfry
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Hi. I am looking to start using Home Assistant, probably on a Synology DiskStation. For ZigBee smart switches, can Home Assistant connect to them through an Echo, which I understand has a ZigBee hub built in? Or would the Synology need it's own hub?

Would also appreciate any recommendations with regards to following this guide https://www.wundertech.net/how-to-set-up-home-assistant-supervised-on-a-synology-nas/ (Supervised) or the official FAQ one https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/alternative/#synology-nas ?

Initial goal with be to add monitoring of SwitchBot meters, GivEnergy smart plugs, myenergi zappi, Solaredge account and GivEnergy inverter (using GivTCP).

winged knoll
slate stream
winged knoll
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The Develco is configurable, the Linkind seems "long", not sure what exactly, but not configurable

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The Aqara P1 is also configurable, down to 10 seconds by the look of things

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Oh, no, minimum is 2 seconds

slate stream
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I saw and read some mixed reviews on the P1

winged knoll
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I've heard the same, but honestly, I've found it to be fine

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Detection range is about 4 to 5 meters - maybe more but the room isn't bigger than that 😄

slate stream
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Looking at Ali atm

winged knoll
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The light sensor is just as useless as the one in the older motion sensor, which is crazy given that they do a dedicated light sensor that's really good

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I bought my P1 from a UK source, since I couldn't find any on Ali, but maybe you'll have more luck

slate stream
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So all the big bottom ones are p1?

winged knoll
fierce finch
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the one Tinkerer mentioned works perfectly here

slate stream
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He mentioned 3

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😆

fierce finch
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lol the Xiaomi Aqua

slate stream
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P1

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My girlfriend getting annoyed sometimes. Need to get rid of sonoff

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Are door sensors also ok aqara?

fierce finch
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yes

slate stream
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Thx

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I'll browse for those then

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Got one IKEA for lolz. 3min time-out!

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🤣

cold moon
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Good for like a closet I guess

slate stream
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Ye or living room presence

cold moon
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People have been posting in #zigbee-archived about issues with some ikea stuff tho

slate stream
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Works fine here. Zha

winged knoll
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If you can get them, the E1 Aqara door sensors are Zigbee 3.0 and work really well

cold moon
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Bulbs not living a long life and various sensor issues. I thought they were cheaper hue alternatives

slate stream
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So e1 and p1

winged knoll
cold moon
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And fp1 for presence seem super popular

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But pricey

winged knoll
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Yes, to both

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It has issues with fans though, which it'll detect as continuing presence

cold moon
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I’m not sure if I want to diy with esphome and ultrasonic or fp1 for bathroom

winged knoll
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That aside, they're really good

cold moon
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If I’m too still I shit in the dark

winged knoll
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Just need a door sensor and some logic 😉

cold moon
winged knoll
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Yes, fan in the area it detects in

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Basically they detect movement, and a fan is very certainly movement...

cold moon
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well i have a few sensors in that bathroom - recessed zwave door sensor, 4 in one lux/temp/hum/pir zwave, 2 smart bulbs (hue with z2m), wled led strip , and smart light switch zwave

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i do need to figure out a better way to do the media player state though. as a trigger it is fine until i turn music off

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oh i left out an important part. i live alone so i dont always shut the bathroom door- and my cat pushes it open to come in and join me lol

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i figured an ultrasonic or fp1 to actually know i'm there is a decent solution

keen portal
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Hi everyone... just started thinking about home automation in a newly built appartment....
a basic one (Wiser) hat can be gotten would be 5-8k USD and is basically only able to do presets/scenes for lights and blinds
is there anything that uses a nice open standard that works well (if possible in a basic mode for on/off if home assistant fails or goes down)?
sorry, home automation noob
not even sure if its possible to integrate something bought aftermarket with e.g. windowblinds

vivid robin
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For HomeAssistantOS, Is 512GB enough, or should I go with 2TB for disk space? My U820 came in today.

cold moon
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Why would you need that much storage?

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Are you going to be saving stuff to it from addons like frigate or?

vivid robin
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Device came with 512GB, but I do have a spare 2TB laying around. I guess I'll take an image of the 512GB first then wipe it.

tacit burrow
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I think mine is in 30GB, works fine. No need for massive store, unless... you're doing massive storage things.

torn rivet
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I wonder if someone can help me, I just recently flashed a Sonoff RF Bridge with OpenMQTTgateway direct hardware hack setup into HA, I've tested it with a 433MHz RF battery powered remote. I have a number of 433MHz Kinetic Battery Free Switches. They don't seem to be picked up, is there a magical device like the Sonoff RF Bridge that works with these ultra low power battery free switches? Or am I stuck with them?

loud kiln
#

any recs for an affordable 9+ foot long LED strip (only warm white needed, but RGB welcome) that works well with ZHA?

peak talon
void hollow
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You have to make a lot of compromises. I would get tunable white for 90% of generic lighting cases and have a RGBWarmWhite for accent mood lighting, pastels etc

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And never RGB (3 channel no white)

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Except Christmas lights and that sorta stuff.

#

Go White and you can get 24V strips which are much easier to work with

keen portal
winged knoll
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What's "wiser"?

keen portal
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the name of the system they want to install

winged knoll
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I'm guessing that's going to be some form of commercial closed platform

keen portal
#

exactly

winged knoll
#

That looks like it's local control at least

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If it works (check the issues tab there, but I'd expect it does) then you can use HA to automate the devices exposed through that integration

keen portal
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checking right now if thats the same thing because its not supposed to run via zigbee but all via wire and is not by Drayton, its by Feller

winged knoll
#

If it's not, providing us with a link to what it is will help people answer your question

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Generic names are damned hard to identify

keen portal
winged knoll
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Drayton and Schneider are part of the same company, it's possible the integration works with both

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Drayton is part of the Schneider Electric group, Drayton products are marketed by Schneider Electric in many countries, particularly in France.

keen portal
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but basically, what it will do is open/close windowblinds and dim/on/off any light
I know I can probably get a system to control the lights but is there something that can be installed afterwards that would work standalone but also "smart" with like scene settings and connectable to home assistant?

winged knoll
#

Sure, anything Zigbee

keen portal
#

and this Matter thing thats been in the news, is that a thing already?

winged knoll
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Not really

keen portal
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mhh, do you know if this matter thing just uses existing network? asking so if that becomes a thing it could be run with zigbee/homeassistant concurrently?

winged knoll
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If you're using Home Assistant how Matter works is irrelevant

keen portal
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and zigbee, thats doesnt use existing network, right? that would need a hub and i guess repeaters?

winged knoll
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The whole point of HA is that you can use multiple different, incompatible, systems

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And yes, Zigbee (like Thread, part of Matter) builds it's own mesh and you need a radio (aka Coordinator) for it

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You can use HA to build a setup that uses Wiser, Zigbee, Z-Wave, Thread, Matter, WiFi, cloud services, and more

keen portal
#

if I had the Wiser by Draytac/Feller, would I need a zigbee hub or something to connect it to home assistant?

winged knoll
#

No, the integration I linked to says it uses their hub

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This repository contains a Home Assistant integration for the awesome Drayton Wiser Heating solution. This integration only works locally with your wiser hub and does not rely on the cloud.

It also supports some European versions of the Wiser Hub under the Schneider Electric brand, including support for lights and blinds.

keen portal
#

and is there something cheaper (this system would cost 8k USD to install) that would work as a local switch if disconnected and could also control motors like window blinds?

winged knoll
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Yes

keen portal
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I keep hearing people did this for like 500USD 😄

winged knoll
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You've got a massive range of options, depending on what you want to control

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Well, what is "this"

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You could spend $500 on just sensors around the house

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You could spend $500 on just heating control

keen portal
#

just lights, window blinds and awnings so far... so new to this that I dont know yet what else there is (only have an apt, so garage,garden,camera stuff all doesnt apply to me)

#

I was talking about lighting switches with scene settings only, saw someone use something called Lutron switches?

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im just not so sure how easy it is to just "exchange" the default switches with smart ones

winged knoll
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You're not going to do all of that for $500

keen portal
#

and I did not even know I would be able to control heating as well ^^ I wouldve thought that would be a closed system either way

winged knoll
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If you ensure the electrician runs a neutral to all the light switches you can make them smart later

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Less than 24 hours to go is a bit late to ask questions like this, though there are some good forum threads that have covered this in depth already - you'll have to search for them though

outer knotBOT
keen portal
#

The Wiser system (that was offered) has no sensors... is 8k USD for a system like that still decent?

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will do and yes it is.... architect is putting pressure on the project cause prices for everything are rising fast

winged knoll
#

Without knowing exactly what you're getting I've no idea whether $8K is any good or not

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Doesn't look like covers (awnings) are included

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What you do is entirely up to you - personally based on what you've said right now I'd not bother

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Get a neutral run to every control, pre-wire for awnings, all that jazz, but don't buy anything smart

keen portal
#

ok, thanks! will be reading up some more in the time I have!
thanks a lot!

torn rivet
peak talon
torn rivet
# peak talon So you are using SonoffRF bridge with esphome firmware? In my experience the su...

No I've install OpenMQTTGateway on the SonoffRF Bridge I've done the "direct hack":
https://docs.openmqttgateway.com/setitup/rf.html#esp32-hardware-setup
https://github.com/xoseperez/espurna/wiki/Hardware-Itead-Sonoff-RF-Bridge---Direct-Hack

Any 433MHz signal should get piped via MQTT to my broker. and for a couple of my 433MHz devices they do. I have some 433MHz battery free buttons/switches, that 1, don't flash the red LED on the RF Bridge and 2, no MQTT message appears.
https://enerjsmart.co.uk/products/2-gang-wireless-kinetic-switch-white-body
These are the switches I bought they do work I've actually got one currently setup with the receiver that came with it but all that does is turn the light on and off.

NodeRED gives me a central place to manage the control flow of the house. If I have to keep going back and programming each ESP every time I want to make a change especially if I have a number of ESPs that are doing the same job, code once upload many. Then just do the modifications to the flow in NodeRED. NodeRED is based in JavaScript as a programming language which I'm much more comfortable coding with than fighting with YAML and Lambdas (personal preference at play here)

peak talon
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Okay. If that works for you - sure continue. In case your switches are bot detected, then try the SH RF, they are pretty cheap

torn rivet
#

Cheers dude, appreciated

mystic hound
#

Hey all. I currently run home assistant on a raspberry pi 4. can i purchase a home assistant yellow and move the sd card to the yellow? i am concerned about moving over my z-wave and zigbee environment seamlessly

cold moon
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But to answer your question, you can backup haos on the pi4 and restore from backup to an m.2 ssd or internal storage on the yellow and move the zigbee and zwave usb sticks over without issue

mystic hound
#

how so? also would it work from pi to pi then? i need to repurpose the pi since it's an 8GB, figured i would get a 2-4GB version for HA.

cold moon
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Your pi4 should be booting from an ssd not a microsd

mystic hound
#

well the pi doesn't exactly have an m.2 slot

cold moon
#

It has usb 3.0 ports

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Enclosures are cheap

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No sane person uses a microsd to boot it

winged knoll
#

If you want to move off the Pi4, moving to decent hardware would be the way to go, not moving to another Pi

mystic hound
#

is usb3 really going to perform better than the onboard sd? also does it really matter (honestly curious not trying to argue)

cold moon
mystic hound
#

what hardware would you reccomend @winged knoll

cold moon
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There’s tons of documentation online

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Including YouTube videos showing read and write differences

winged knoll
cold moon
#

Same thing we always do.. used laptop, nuc, even a thin client

winged knoll
#

I run HA on a 9 year old i5 laptop

mystic hound
#

i have a dell micro, but i wanted to use it for frigate. any way to do both?

cold moon
#

Also yes

winged knoll
#

You could install Proxmox if you want to "slice" the host up and you want to use HAOS

mystic hound
#

frigate docs said vm is not recommended

cold moon
#

He’s in here asking basic questions he’s better off with haos with addons

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Simple works lol

winged knoll
#

Running in a VM does complicate hardware passthrough, sure

mystic hound
#

This is for my parents house I wanted to have something simple to set and forget

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haos works great on the pi i'm surprised to find out i'm doing it wrong lol

winged knoll
#

I mean, you could install Debian so you can run Frigate directly, and then install Proxmox so you could also run HAOS in a VM

cold moon
#

I’m not against proxmox I just think noob friendly haos with addons is a good solution for a lot of people

mystic hound
#

i thought haos was the best option, i was considering running ha in docker but haos always felt more stable

cold moon
#

Nah docker works great it’s just diy

winged knoll
#

Best is personal, there is no universal best

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I run everything in Docker because Docker is trivial to learn, and you get all the control and flexibility you want

cold moon
mystic hound
#

me 2, but now the problem is my server running docker is in the basement. if i want zwave or zigbee to work well, idk if it makes sense to run it off the server.

cold moon
#

There are breaking changes released (for good reasons) and it’s a constantly growing ‘entity’

winged knoll
#

Ditch Z-Wave and embrace Zigbee 😛

mystic hound
#

that costs money

cold moon
#

He said he has both

winged knoll
#

You can however run the Z-Wave server part of Z-WaveJS remotely from HA

cold moon
mystic hound
#

yeah but thats where complex setups scare me like i don't want to move out and then have them call me every time the lights stop working

cold moon
#

Easy solution is put pi in a somewhat central location

mystic hound
#

yeah i figured, that's why i was asking about the yellow

cold moon
#

I don’t mean pi only

mystic hound
#

guess i can try proxmox and hope frigate doesn't scream at me

cold moon
#

Replace pi with nuc or mini pc or whatever

mystic hound
#

know of anywhere to get them cheap?

cold moon
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I wouldn’t suggest that myself

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Unless you think you want to do that

cold moon
mystic hound
#

alright, i guess i'll come up with something else

vagrant laurel
#

Is a NUC with Intel I3-3217U and 4gb ram with Linux a setup that will last for years? Thinking of moving from a Pi4 4gb version.

winged knoll
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It's a little faster than a Pi4

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The Pi4 scores around 900

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Storage will be faster, so anything touching history will be a lot faster than on a Pi, and you don't have to worry about SD card failure.

vagrant laurel
#

Thanks

vagrant laurel
winged knoll
#

If all you're looking for is more stable than a Pi then go for it - if you want an actual upgrade look elsewhere

jagged crypt
#

(with similar power draw)

vagrant laurel
#

Im buying it 2nd hand, but if i look abit more i can probably find something newer yes, i just found it 15 minutes by car from me. Its just gonna run HA. And i guess/hope i can add extra ram if i buy it

jagged crypt
vagrant laurel
#

Norway

jagged crypt
#

yeah, so ignore that link 🙂

cold moon
#

Brand new decently speced nuc are like $200 online

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Might be a better future proof solution

vagrant laurel
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Its actually cheaper then the NUC 😅 but 50 bucks in shipping

jagged crypt
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you may be able to find the equiv in EU zone

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hmoney, what nucs are $200 with mem/cpu/drive?

vagrant laurel
#

But thanks for the heads up, ill check for something like that here

cold moon
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It might be worth waiting til cyber Monday

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That’s a worldwide thing

jagged crypt
cold moon
#

This is also an excuse to build out a whitebox nas / server and just do a haos vm or container

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If you like that kind of stuff

jagged crypt
#

my previous desktop is my nas in a large fractal design case with 12 drives in it (though only 6 are actually in use)

cold moon
#

Cool

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I have old dual Xeons

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Gotta upgrade after I win the lottery

jagged crypt
#

i could put HAOS in a VM in that, but wanted to separate it out physically. Going to move the DHCP & DNS from it to the VM on the lenovo tiny

cold moon
#

Yea

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I did the same

jagged crypt
cold moon
#

You should read up on why Nextcloud is better than owncloud

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Including the dev drama

jagged crypt
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yeah, I started with owncloud before nextcloud existed.... I've completely ignored the dev drama

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but i have thought about swapping/changing

jagged crypt
#

now you have me looking at setting up the parallel nextcloud to test out 🙂

cold moon
#

Setting up redis and adding some nginx conf sauce speeds stuff way up too

bold roost
#

Hello anyone using tasmota on a energy monitoring plug?
How can i reset the daily usage KWH usage does anyon know?

jagged crypt
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@bold roost i haven't done anything advanced with my sonoffs31 running tasmota, but it already reports daily

bold roost
#

yeah i just want to reset it

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like the running totals

jagged crypt
# 
ENERGY ApparentPower 161 VA
ENERGY Current 1.341 A
ENERGY Factor 0.94 Cos φ
ENERGY Power 152 W
ENERGY ReactivePower 53 VAr
ENERGY Today 1.716 kWh
ENERGY Total 799.509 kWh
ENERGY TotalStartTime 2021-11-25T12:58:33
ENERGY Voltage 120 V
ENERGY Yesterday 3.749 kWh
bold roost
#

ok thanks EnergyReset works

gaunt crag
#

Does anyone was able to use Estimote Beacons on Home Assistant?

jagged crypt
#

@cold moon nextcloud AIO docker install fails if I want to set a non-docker-volume storage location.... 🙂

dry skiff
#

Anyone from the UK have any smart thermostat recommendations?

tacit burrow
#

I have one of those Lenovo tiny PCs arriving today. Thinking about whether I should get a new one/extra one to run pfSense

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It's pretty much the same speed as my old macbook pro which is currently running my proxmox server

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How's your new box going @jagged crypt ? Mine arrives today, but I don't have wired ethernet in my office, nor a monitor anywhere else; so will need to move something :/

jagged crypt
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working fine, spent $20 and added a second 8gig sodimm so i have 16 gigs for vm's. running 2core-4gig on HA right now

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average "cpu" usage with "small" ha install is 3% cpu, 1.8gigs of ram. tiny is drawing 10watts.

tacit burrow
#

Yeah, I added some more memory too

#

How's the remote-management stuff work? Can it be used to install OS without monitor?

#

Plus you mentioned firmware upgrade. Got a TLDR faq on that?

jagged crypt
#

probably not, i need to setup a monitor and go to the bios and disable the remote "security" code thing. Since i think it's for IT departments to help

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"meshcommander" is the free software you want to get the remote desktop stuff

tacit burrow
jagged crypt
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tldr faq for bios, go to lenovo support, enter the serial number (on the top of the machine, easy to find), find the bios, download bios. Use "rufus" to create a bootable usb stick with dos on it. Copy bios.zip contents (unzip it) onto the usb stick. Boot usb stick (may need to his f1/f2 on bootup to get to bios) to set boot order. Boot, run autoexec.sh if it didn't from bios.zip file. Wait, it will reboot and flash.

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ctrl-p gets to the vpro setup stuff, that i need to go back to. ping me later today when you get your thing and I can look at same time

tacit burrow
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Thanks. OK, I can do that in my office, with no ethernet. I think I need to get some more cheap USB keys. I only have one that I can find, and it's a pain reformatting it all the time.

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It's on the courier for delivery today

jagged crypt
#

they became incredibly cheap in the past couple years

tacit burrow
#

yeah, I can get them at the supermarket for like $10

jagged crypt
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i got some free 32gig ones with motherboard purchased recently (MSI motherboards, came with the motherboard, not a store bonus)

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you need about 1gig 🙂

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you'll also need to download the proxmox install iso

tacit burrow
#

I've got it, that's what's currently on the usb key.

jagged crypt
#

basically bootable thing, that you just drop iso's on the FS and it boots them

tacit burrow
#

👀

jagged crypt
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so you can have multiple ISO fils on the stick and then choose the one you want.

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I used it for proxmox earlier this week

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and in the past for windows and some other bootable isos

tacit burrow
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Cool

jagged crypt
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sadly the firmware update says "iso" download but is not a bootable setup, just an iso image with files on it (spent 20 minutes til i figured that out)

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when doing HAOS on proxmox, I spent some time doing it manually, then ended up using the script to get EUFI drives set properly, so depends on what your comfort levels on that are, but it was easy. Mapping the USB stick for zigbee after was a couple clicks (web-ui).

tacit burrow
#

Ventoy claims OSS and free, but they sure don't make it easy to find the repo on their website 😛

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And lots of donation grovel

jagged crypt
tacit burrow
#

Easy enough to find, for sure, but I find the lack of web->github link a bit sneaky

jagged crypt
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github binaries aren't really any more or less secure then the website binaries

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and the github link is visible on the download page, which is one click from the main page. Maybe this looks different from all the adblocking i already have installed.

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nope. anyways, this tool just makes it easier to boot the isos and not having to constantly reflash the usb stick 🙂

tacit burrow
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Ya. I will try it. Just a wee bit annoyed I can't find any of my USB keys 🙂

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I think my pc went to the post-office, I need to go pick it up. Australia Post sucks!

jagged crypt
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haha, have had those days here also

tacit burrow
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My zigbee coordinator is taking forever to get here too.. At least it's got to Australia now...

jagged crypt
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in the correct state?

tacit burrow
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Not yet 🙂

tacit burrow
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@jagged crypt can't figure out how to write ventoy from a mac (including in a virtualbox) :/

jagged crypt
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oh, um, not sure off hand, wasn't there a mac installer?

tacit burrow
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Couldn't find one. Happy to use a linux or windows VM in virtualbox, but can't get my usb to attach. Looking for a shitty usb2 one

jagged crypt
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that's odd, should be able to mount a usb stick into virtualbox (but I've not used it)

tacit burrow
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I think it was "a little bit mounted" because mac complained when I removed it

jagged crypt
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but figured you got that far

tacit burrow
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I did all the obvious stuff, inclduing installing oracle extensions

jagged crypt
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it's never the "hard" stuff that slows you down 🙂

cold moon
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im stuff

tacit burrow
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That's exactly what I was doing, created a live cd vm, which boots fine. But can't attach the usb. Watching video anyway

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Maybe I need a reboot

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How... 1990s 🙂

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will try ejecting it (again) after the reboot

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I give up. Stupid virtualbox.

jagged crypt
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if you server came with windows on it, maybe try it from that.... 🙂

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mine had a win10 install on it that i wiped

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but since you have a license (key in the bios) it should just boot and configure for you

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then you can bootstrap with itself 🙂

tacit burrow
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True. Probably the first time I've touched native windows in >5 years 🙂

jagged crypt
#

that error message in the img looks like your macos grabbed the usb, so you are getting a sharing violation

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you don't need native windows for much, just long enough to burn a usb stick and copy the iso onto it and validate it boots, then you can wipe it

tacit burrow
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the usb was mounted then (after reboot). I ejected the drive (not just the volume), and it changed to a different error

tacit burrow
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my hardware just arrived...

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ha, I don't have any displayport cables

dense pond
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Does anyone know if an IR blaster can be programmed without a remote. I have an old stereo I don't have a remote for and you can't seem to buy them

tacit burrow
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Found a 1/2 display port cable, and borrowed kids monitor. So... booting.

jagged crypt
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back around if you have any questions, or just moral support 🙂

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i went through the display port juggle, i think i ended up doing display port, but started with dvi-hdmi convertors at first

peak talon
dense pond
tacit burrow
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@jagged crypt I just downloaded and ran the bios updater (in windows), which rebooted, and is now doing stuff in the bios setup utility.

jagged crypt
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sounds good, while you have the monitor attached, after it finishes that, hit ctrl-p on the boot up screen to get the vpro stuff

tacit burrow
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ok did ^P; in the screen, what do I change?

jagged crypt
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you want to disable something

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hold on, let me get the phrasing

tacit burrow
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it wants "mebx login"?

jagged crypt
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you will have to change the admin password

tacit burrow
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Hmm, getting error changing that... does it have strength rules?

jagged crypt
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and it won't tell you, but you need lower/upper + numbers + special char

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haha, just getting to that

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so write it down, store in your pw manager

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and then you want to disable the consent code

tacit burrow
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ugh found the rules

jagged crypt
tacit burrow
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Do I change user opt-in to "all" or "none"?

jagged crypt
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you want no "consent codes"

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i forgot to do this, and haven't moved the machine back to a monitor yet

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so i can't give you the exact

tacit burrow
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afk dinner

peak talon
tacit burrow
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back. still trying to figure

jagged crypt
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i can probably pull mine to figure out the bios setting if you want

tacit burrow
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I'm thoroughly confused. Slightly hampered by not having any ethernet. I might move to the shed.

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brb, moving to front room.

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back, lenovo now should have ethernet.

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meshcommander can detect the machine, but cant connect. auth issue

jagged crypt
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you need to use the admin password you just generated

tacit burrow
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Tried that, didn't work . Sec will see if I typoed

jagged crypt
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i was able to use meshcommander and pull serial number etc

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I'm about to pull the server to disable the consent code thing

tacit burrow
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OK it's connected, seeing lots of messages about system status/firmware etc

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user consent = not required

jagged crypt
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cool. tjat

tacit burrow
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I can't remote desktop though.

fallow cape
#

any general opinions on LG's smarthome ecosystem? I'm looking at one of their smart pump systems that comes with it and also considering kitchen appliances as well

I saw that there's a HACS integration for it all so that's definitely a plus in my book

tacit burrow
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ok remote desktop working now

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Anything else I need to do?

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I'll write ventoy to a usb while I have a copy of windows...

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Windows has done all the updates in the background. Congratulations. Now you die. 🙂

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now to see if it boots off usb

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All good. ventoy did the job 🙂

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"no support for kvm virtualization detected, check biossettings for intel vt / amd-v / svm"

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fixed (f1 menu)

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ext4 or xfs?

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I picked ext4. At least I'm very familiar with it

jagged crypt
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i did zfs

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easy snapshots

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sorry, isp decided to do maintenance

tacit burrow
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Hmm, remote desktop stopped working after proxmox booted with custom IP

jagged crypt
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i get connect/disconnect and a black screen

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i haven't rebooted it with remote desktop connected to see if that makes it work

tacit burrow
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Hmm, can't login to proxmox web either (wrong password??)

jagged crypt
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root/whateveryoumadethepassword

tacit burrow
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that's what I tried. Hmmm. Interesting that remote desktop broke at the same time

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Ah! root not admin 😉

jagged crypt
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did you run all the proxmox updates?

viral mason
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Hi guys, I'm new and I just got my hands on Wintel Pro CX-W8 and Mi box MDZ-16-AB. Do you reckon, I could set up HA on any of those?

tacit burrow
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Not yet. Will do that now.

jagged crypt
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@viral mason 2gigs ram is kinda low (though i ran it on a pi3b+ with 1gig)

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@tacit burrow i think the proxmox scripts setup the right combo of repos for you

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you need to ssh into the proxmox server (root/pw), and run the (2.1) script to turn on the non-subscription repo, and run updatess. tldr - don't disable enterprise repo, don't "correct" pve7 sources, DO ENABLE no-subscription repo, leave beta disabled, i haven't modded the subscription nag (it's relatively painless), then you can run updates, and reboot.

viral mason
jagged crypt
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I'm not usually a fan of "bash <some place in the internet" but these scripts are ok

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sir ling, I ran lights (though via hue-hub), when i tried playing with grafana/influx, it crapped out. It's easy to test and play initially and see how it works, just expect to reinstall a week later after you test.

viral mason
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Thanks 🙂

tacit burrow
jagged crypt
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yeah, those are ok

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i think it defaults to 32gig datadrive, but it looks like haos auto expands if you make a bigger disk for it

tacit burrow
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I'm a wee bit away from haos yet 🙂

jagged crypt
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about 5 minutes

tacit burrow
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For some reason, can't open the web interface

jagged crypt
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proxmox one?

tacit burrow
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yeah

jagged crypt
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getting no connection? did you set the ip address vs random dhcp?

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not sure you can set dhcp

tacit burrow
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I set it statically. interestingly, the remote desktop is still using the dhcp address which was .66

jagged crypt
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you'll have two ip's

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the remotedesktop management is independent, even if it's sitting on same ethernet

tacit burrow
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that's what I figured. still doesn't explain web being down.

jagged crypt
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nope

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what error? can't connect, ssl?

tacit burrow
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Should proxmox be using the whole disk? df only shows about 90GB

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just no response. feels like a firewall.

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but ssh works OK

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ssh root@192.168.30.200

jagged crypt
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shift-reload on the browser?

tacit burrow
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doesn't even work with curl

jagged crypt
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reboot it?

tacit burrow
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Didn't help. I think I hosed the install somehow.

jagged crypt
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from the console type "ip a"

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you should see eno1 with no IP address, and then VMBR0 with one

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actually all that works, you can ssh in

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gotta bail here, turning into a pumpkin and need to work tomorrow

tacit burrow
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thanks man.

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I reinstalled proxmox. Both remote and web working now (dhcp)

gloomy elbow
keen portal
# winged knoll Get a neutral run to every control, pre-wire for awnings, all that jazz, but don...

ok, i took a closer look at the "Wiser by Feller" and while Feller is part of Schneider, their Wiser system is proprietary and doesnt use Zigbee, it uses a single wire that runs across all devices... guess that eliminates it from being able to be controlled by HA 😦
As for pre-wire for awnings, I am obligated to take some kind of switch, so I will actually need to get default switches for lights and awnings, etc. but at some point exchange those (not sure if heating controls are able to be exchanged even).
At least I know I shouldnt be ordering that system.

keen portal
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what would be some reliable aftermarket alternatives I could put in for awnings,lights,heating,power outlet with some sensors for temp,weather,motion, etc. that would still work locally (as normal switch) if something is "down"?

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
winged knoll
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For most of that I'd suggest Zigbee, but more details on things like "heating" would be required for more meaningful answers

fallow cape
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I like my tp-link switches well enough but I keep hearing rumblings about them leaving the market

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Sensors are a bit trickier and you're likely going to want to use zigbee

keen portal
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I reside in Switzerland, budget for everything total is <10k USD including all installation fees, important is reliability so the apartment can be sold someday and not be in a quirky non-working state
Protocols I would prefer Wifi with local functions as backup but anything is fine I guess
I require dimming,on/off and controls for awnings,window blinds and heating
heating is floor heating by an underground heat pump

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apartment has 6 rooms and two bathrooms and is 170sqm

winged knoll
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Temperature: Xiaomi Aqara, Develco/Freint Motion Sensor Pro
Motion: Xiaomi Aqara, Linkind, Develco/Freint Motion Sensor Pro
Power sockets: Innr

fallow cape
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How do you control the floor heating currently, through a standard thermostat or does it use something proprietary?

keen portal
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the apartment is still in planning... but i was told there will be a panel to control the floor heating

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one in every room at least apparently

fallow cape
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a bit tricky to figure out, then. there are some smart thermostats that work via infrared controls that might work but it really depends on the panels

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can figure out more if you know the brand of the system, eg Schlüter or Warmup or some such

keen portal
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let me call the electric planning company and ask

fallow cape
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A useful thing you can do when evaluating hardware options is to plug in the name of the manufacturer into the Home Assistant Integrations search: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/

Mind you, this won't tell you about third party integrations such as those available in HA through HACS, but it's a good start. Google is another.

keen portal
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this wouldnt be smart when i take it, i would be looking into something to replace the switches they will install... im not familiar with any brands

fallow cape
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something you could ask the planning company is if they have any systems or hardware with google assistant or apple alexa compatibility

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If something has hooks for assistants like those, you can almost always get them into your HA system as well

winged knoll
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Well... maybe

fallow cape
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not guarantee but chances are a lot higher IMO 🙂

winged knoll
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Depends a lot ... there's plenty that hook into Google, but have no other API

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Or are based on the shitshow that is Tuya

fallow cape
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I'm in the process of getting quotes for getting a mini split ductless heat pump installed in my condo and I've learned that most brands seem to offer something along these lines, though there are third party solutions that will work in a lot of cases if direct integration isn't possible. Daikin seems to be quite a popular brand, but their current API is locked down to hell and back

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but that's air heat pumps, not radiant floor heating

keen portal
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actually they only have 3 systems to choose from, two are bus based systems completely closed off/proprietary and are both way over my budget and then they have this Wiser by Feller which also seems to be closed off so I cant use it with HA for my needs and simply remove HA from the equation if I ever move out
So there isnt really a solution they offer out of the box that would be of any interest to me

fallow cape
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feller == schneider electric, I believe

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er wiser == schneider electric

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something

keen portal
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yes but Feller uses a proprietary variant

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with a wire instead of zigbee

fallow cape
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ah, hm

keen portal
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they say because its more reliable

keen portal
fallow cape
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probably more reliable to sell you more..

keen portal
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yea... not really interested in something completely closed off

fallow cape
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oh you linked that one

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right, so

keen portal
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yes

fallow cape
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another option might be to lean on infrared access

keen portal
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mhh?

fallow cape
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if they offer any equipment that uses infrared remotes for the panels, you have options that use that rather than direct integration

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eg something like this, though I don't know if it's available for sale in the EU market https://flair.co

keen portal
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it works via app but not remote controls

gloomy elbow
#

Is there a possibility of just replacing the thermostats in the room with say Zigbee compatible ones?

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Then they will work without HA as a dumb thermostat, but also with HA to be smart for you

obtuse tree
#

Hey all got some questions

I have HAOS setup and running
Sonoff USB Zigbee thats working well with HUE|

Can I get a Sonoff RF Bridge (not tasmoto) and add the RF light switches, and use them via Home Assistant locally
I know you will gonnect them into ewelink and be in the cloud, but once setup, will I be able to access the sonoff bridge and catch the switches and automate via HA

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I was thinking of doing all my door and other sensors with zigbee, lights with wifi and switches with RF

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as that seems most affordable

winged knoll
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RF tends to be a terrible choice, Zigbee is better

obtuse tree
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yeah no decent battery powered zigbee light switches

winged knoll
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A lot of RF stuff is best endeavours so you just have to assume something took the action you sent

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There's Xiaomi, and others, who do good ones of those - I've got some

obtuse tree
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finding stuff in Greece is hard, been into a few places that have tried to sell me stuff that wont work with HA

winged knoll
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AliExpress

obtuse tree
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I havent altered the firmware to mqtt all still stock

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serisouly why cant they just make a zigbee light switch that looks like the rf one (battery operated)

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is there a comprehensive list of devices that work with Home Assistant, been trying to find one

winged knoll
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No

obtuse tree
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that would be the most helpful thing ever

winged knoll
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Lots of people have started one, and abandoned it when they realised the scale of the task

obtuse tree
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atm its a case of so many wifi bulbs and hardly any info if it will work

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and you cant trust the stores, thankfully realised I need live/hot wire switches no neutral, but no one actually tells you unless you ask.

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like they bought loads of stock and then relaised its the wrong one and trying to offload em

winged knoll
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Yup, WiFi is a terrible choice, Zigbee is generally better, except Tuya, or Sonoff

keen portal
gloomy elbow
#

Well, we won't either without more information. You'd have to have say a wiring diagram and specs, or ask the installer if they can recommend alternatives.

cold moon
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it'll definitely be better than a pi

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ddr4 ram and gig-e plus m.2 slot for ssd

winged knoll
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CPUMark of 1044 - slightly faster than a Pi4

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If it supports UEFI then it should work

gloomy elbow
#

It only outputs to VGA/Displayport. So make sure you have something that can take one of those if you go for that

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If you run into an issue being able to see what's on screen can be a very useful debugging tool

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And no, you can't pre-configure HA like that. You could install Debian and then set up HA as a container.

gaunt crag
#

Does anyone knows if this tags are compatible with home assistant via app?

winged knoll
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It's an NFC tag, so ... probably

gaunt crag
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Ahh sorry. Will do thaT. Thank you

winged knoll
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Please don't crosspostt

outer knotBOT
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@mystic hound Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

tacit burrow
#

@jagged crypt got mine working OK now, static IP etc (changed management to match).
My SSD is SATA not m.2. Not sure interface matches too much? hdparam reports 516.76 MB/sec
Seems like it consumes about 8W at idle (according to smart plug)

#

Now need to figure out how to add second eth interface to proxmox

jagged crypt
#

USB3 on proxmox?

#

or do you have a second ethernet port on the machine?

tacit burrow
#

Ya. Hopefully?

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root@pve2:~# lsusb
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0b95:1790 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88179 Gigabit Ethernet

jagged crypt
#

do they show up on the "proxmox host, system->network" tab?

#

you should have a second ethernet, and then you add a VMBR1 (virtual bridge) and set the bridge port to that device

tacit burrow
#

Yup. I just need to understand how the device/bridge stuff works. My HA box will probably run pfsense and dhcp/dns stuff for my LAN soon.

jagged crypt
#

ethernet devices are raw devies, virtual bridges are the VMBR devices. virtual machines attach to the VMBR devices

tacit burrow
#

I need to be 100% sure that all of the VMs/LXC don't have access to that interface (except pfsense), and that they route via the pfsense box.

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Right now, no cable connected to the second nic, I need to move it to connect to the external-facing switch (which will go away once I'm 100% confident in it).

jagged crypt
#

the virtual machines should have network devices with a bridge associated with it. Make sure those bridges don't have the usb ethernet devices in their "bridge ports"

tacit burrow
#

Thanks. How are you going with yours?

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Mine still says "this computer firmware should be updated, please check here" even though I think I did it. Multiple types of firmware, or no update available, maybe.

jagged crypt
#

oh I looked that meshcommander issue up, it's a default if it thinks you have an older version, even if you don't

tacit burrow
#

The meshcommander app (for mac) is a bit crap. Doesn't support cut/paste properly :/

jagged crypt
#

yeah, well at least you have console 🙂

loud kiln
#

Any recommendations for outdoor smart outlets that are

  • either zigbee, or easy to flash to esphome without soldering/disassembly
  • available in US
  • affordable?

I see the tplink kasa outdoor ones pop up all the time but i don’t want to rely on cloud-based services…

jagged crypt
#

indoor ones and an extension cord?

tacit burrow
#

tplink kasa doesn't need cloud, it's local.

#

I had one outdoors controlling my pump just now, with a plastic bag over it; until the puppy chewed the pump cable. Aieee!

tender linden
#

Any recommendations on an RF blaster that works with the 390mhz freq for garage doors?

loud kiln
#

tplink kasa doesn't need cloud, it's local
ah that’s news to me — i’d read a bunch of stuff in the past about issues with tplink and them pushing firmware updates that messed with things

tacit burrow
#

I haven't experienced that (firmware updates only happen via the ap iirc). And the app integration and HA integration are both local.

gentle fossil
#

8w in idle? I would not trust that measurement 😇

jagged crypt
#

it's correct

#

mine is at 10watts

gentle fossil
#

Just plugged in my m92p tiny

#

Sits at 15w in bios

jagged crypt
#

bios is actually going to be higher usage than running

gentle fossil
#

Empty debian is at 13w

#

I doubt proxmox + haos is 8w. Seriously

jagged crypt
#

what cpu and how much mem

gentle fossil
#

i5 3470T

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1stick 8g

jagged crypt
#

that's an older cpu

gentle fossil
#

They all go up with load

#

Running a vm like haos is seldom idling

jagged crypt
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you are using a 22nm vs the 14nm manufacturing

#

changes idle power usage

#

my system peaks at ~35watts when booting, then everything sits in ram

gentle fossil
#

Doesnt change that they are not idling with a haos vm.
There is always a loop running

jagged crypt
#

and doesn't do any cpu on my small configuration

#

trust me they are idling

#

or don't trust me

#

we are arguing about 3watts

#

https://owncloud.dhp.com/index.php/s/clhDoxvF97ooPNX - the outage earlier was when i forgot to plug the sonoff zigbee stick back into the box after fixing the bios vpro settings. Where it jumps you can see a small permanent jump which was were the 2nd 8 gig stick was installed (then a jump to higher numbers, then back). The spikes are reboots, and the 35 watt spike me just running the 2022.11 update

#

and for your error levels, sengled power meter over zigbee

tacit burrow
#

@gentle fossil I'm running my box through a Kasa switch with energy, I think it's fairly accurate.

#

CPU is in powersafe profile, not performance profile (for whatever that means)

gentle gate
#

Anyone can recommend a cheap RGB table lamp I can use to send alerts. Would have to connect via wifi since I don't have any zigwave on this system

tacit burrow
#

by comparison my imac is 30W "idle" (screen off) and up to about 90W when doing stuff, spiking to about 120W

gentle fossil
#

Maybe you are right

#

But last I checked, a fully loaded HA install (I have > 1500 entities) used a significant amount of W more than what is used in idle.
Thats the reason i still use raspberry pi, it does not exceed the 10w area

tacit burrow
#

Is there a handy way to count entities? I have a few hundred at least

gentle fossil
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{{ states | count }}

tacit burrow
#

SELECT count(distinct(entity_id)) FROM "states" >> 509

#

🤷‍♂️

#

I am a liiiiitle bit concerned that the memory usage of my haos seems to grow to fill available. Is this likely to be OS buffers etc? haos cli is that annoying tool, not a real oS 🙂

#

Yeah, looks like it's mostly buff/cache

➜  ~ free
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:        2472688      656284      101144        4696     1715260     1780396
Swap:        618168       37888      580280
jagged crypt
#

linux will happily use all available ram as cache (as it should)

tacit burrow
#

Ya, but I can give HA a bit less, to give the cache/buffer to proxmox

jagged crypt
#

what is proxmox going to cache?

tacit burrow
#

uh, all the things? doesn't guest IO travel through hypervisor, and have potential to be buffered/cached there?

jagged crypt
#

it actually should stay in the allocated ram you set for it, and technically can be overprovisioned if you have balloon on

#

i know the zfs cache uses it, but that's at the zfs host level on my setups

real edge
#

Has anyone switched from a HAOS install on Synology NAS to a Mini PC install? Synology DS918+ VM HAOS current install. All NAS drives are HDD. I'm impatient and HAOS takes a while (30+ sec to restart), very long to reboot the host. Thinking about a Beelink 5105 Celeron w/ dual NIC (in case I want to try pfsense firewall) with an install on Proxmox.

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*I know the NVME would help, just seeing if it's a significant increase in processing time savings.

cold moon
#

Idk if many people would suggest running a hypervisor on a celeron bro

real edge
#

OK. Good advice. I was hoping to find a low power CPU to run things on.

cold moon
#

A dedicated haos setup isn’t a bad idea

#

I moved off a pi to an old i5 laptop

#

Shit loads way faster

real edge
#

I've read about ease of snapshots/backups with Proxmox. Currently use Gdrive to backup HAOS. If I can't do it with a Celeron, I was also considering a refurbished Intel I3/I5 *T processor, for low power.

#

A little bit more configurability, but want nVME drives for SSD.

cold moon
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Any ssd is good

#

Sata or nvme m.2

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Haos would be fine on the celeron I’m sure but I wouldn’t install proxmox on it

#

There’s really no right answer

tacit burrow
#

@real edge I'm running ha on proxmox, about to try pfsense.

#

when I migrate off sqllite, that'll probably be to a db running on the proxmox

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BJC my lenovo thinkthingy is about 8W at "idle". Which is more than a rpi, but fairly acceptable. Scroll up to see Panzer and I talking about this option.

real edge
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Thanks, @tacit burrow. I was avoiding the NUC option because of price and power draw. Trying to find the happy middle ground of a proxmox hypervisor and a HAOS, et al, system with lower (not RPI low) wattage.

tacit burrow
#

Second hand NUC like $100, and 8W seems fine to me?

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Plus having remote-management is proving really useful

real edge
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Yeah, I'm not wrapped around the axle about numbers, just don't want to build a 11th Gen I7 NUC system that runs like my overbuilt desktop for current draw. 🙂

tacit burrow
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Absolutely. Mine happens to be i5-6500T which is 2015 chip

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It's about the same speed as my old macbook pro which is currently running proxmox in the garage..

jagged crypt
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yah, the i5-6500t SFF units are <$150 USD on ebay (and comparable elsewhere). I'm getting ~10watts idle on proxmox with "small" HAOSS virtual machine. I plan on dropping in a vm for local network DHCP/DNS shortly (I'm not sure i want to use the yaml dhcp server add-on).

tacit burrow
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Panzer: same. I'm going to try pfSense in proxmox, and replace those functions from my router.

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But I need to move the box to the "gadget shelf" (actually in the wc) when wife is not around to complain about me "mucking around with blue cables" hahaha