zigbee-archived

[lone flume]

hmm

you said some devices were working?

[austere patio]

The log shows that you're receiving packets

[lone flume]

you mentioned one earlier - 0x6BA4

that is a router. So I will check this one out.

[austere patio]

0xC500, 0x6BA4, 0x3DE3 in your latest log

If rebooting the coordinator doesn't work, try rebooting your routers. Not really sure what else to suggest.

[lone flume]

just went and rebooted all of the routers/mains.

reloaded integration and waiting to see what happens.

but from what you've seen in the logs, the stick is functioning correctly?

[austere patio]

Seems like it

[lone flume]

all routers rebooted. Same result.

unplugging the stick and replugging initiates any reset?

or do I have to restart HA or the integration after?

[austere patio]

Unplugging the stick is fine

[lone flume]

I see 5 devices joined the network. Rest just unavailable. I quickly ordered a stick on amazon and can be here by tonight just in case.

[heavy basalt]

I got a problem with reporting. Im using ZigBee2MQTT. I have accidentally changed min_rep_interval on my Aquara power plug to 0 and now Im unable to change it back because everytime I try to enter a new value it resets to 0 before I have a chance to change it

Request 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/device/configure_reporting' failed with error: 'ConfigureReporting 0x54ef4410002c7f74/1 genOnOff([{"attribute":"onOff","minimumReportInterval":"01","maximumReportInterval":3600,"reportableChange":0}], {"sendWhenActive":false,"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Timeout - 2853 - 1 - 223 - 6 - 7 after 10000ms)'```

Any ideas how to fix it?
Im also unable to do anything with it, I got timeouts after trying to change the state

[lone flume]

I just unplugged ALL of the routers and 8 of my battery powered devices showed up. But thats it so far.

going to reload integration and see if that opens the floodgates.

[austere patio]

As in they're currently unplugged?

Or you just rebooted them?

[lone flume]

unplugged

so in theory, all battery operated devices should report back to the stick.

"if" the stick is functioning.

[austere patio]

The Aqara ones probably won't

But others should pick the stick as their parent (if they can reach it)

[lone flume]

Aqara?

[austere patio]

Ah, you don't have any

If they're battery powered, they report infrequently so it may take a while for them to try contacting the coordinator (if they can reach it and decide to choose it as their parent)

[lone flume]

yea, understand. I wonder then, could I have actually fixed the issue with one of the methods? For example, the bug where the router gets locked up and it needs to be hard reset, could that mean that those devices that paired with that router that caused the stir up will have to either be repaired or just give it time to flush out?

[austere patio]

The main problem with the bug is that the router is still "alive" so the child devices don't pick a new parent, but it's not actually routing any packets

If the router just "died" the child devices would notice this and in theory search for a new parent

But if you hard rebooted the routers and waited 5-10s before turning them back on, they should be reset

[lone flume]

Yea I unplugged them all and left for about 20 min while I checked on a few things. I think I'm seeing the ones that didn't migrate over in the unavailable state now. My guess is I will have to re-pair them.

[tropic depot]

you can rejoin them in place

just reset the devices

and pair them again w/o removing them from HA

you wont lose any customizations that way

[lone flume]

battery pull?

or reconfigure in HA?

oh I think I know what you mean. Put into pairing mode, let HA pick it back up, should sync back up with previous join info?

[lone flume]

I think this stick is toast. Devices joining and falling off the network. None of the powered routers are repairing.

[solar canopy]

Any deCONZ gurus out there? My IKEA Symfonisk remote has gone absolutely insane, and I can't figure out why or how to fix it. 😦

[obsidian sandal]

deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[solar canopy]

👍

[low rock]

anyone in here using CC2652R-stick with a Proxmox LXC an remember how to set that shit up. Im going crazy here.

[sour shadow]

I just followed https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/USB_Devices_in_Virtual_Machines#Alternate_way:_pass_the_USB_port_to_the_guest

[low rock]

@sour shadow had a look and thats for VMs. Nothing about usb devices in the LXC section 😦
I've done it another container for Frigate, but that way doesnt seem to work for this stick. Dont know what the hells' going on tbh.

[sour shadow]

https://medium.com/@konpat/usb-passthrough-to-an-lxc-proxmox-15482674f11d then

Or some other result from Google

[low rock]

yeah seen that one, and few others. Been at it for several hours. Not sure if and of the other configs for the other sticks might mess it up.

[analog jackal]

Does anyone know of a good page with information for someone that has never dealt with zigbee and how to get it working with HA? For instance, I bought a CC2531 usb adapter but apparently I have to re-program that with custom firmware.

I'm looking to use some of the Aqara devices (door, motion and button)

[lone flume]

on endpoint id 1 cluster 0x0b04: message send failure - anyone know what this means?

[uneven ruin]

theres a bunch of info in the pinned messages

[lone flume]

anyone know why on the visualization tab I only see devices and not the connections?

Not the main coordinator or any routers have any children on them either.

[ivory hound]

I have Aqara curtain and I use it on z2m inverted (0 = 100%, 100 = 0%, open = close and close = open)

the thing is in ha is not working anymore

the state is displayed correctly and i can open close it from slide bar

but open and clse doesn't work anymore

how do you guys dial with that?

maybe this has to be fixed on zigbee2mqtt side since there now when i click close it opens and vice versa

where do i fill in a bug report ha side or zigbee2mqtt?

[jolly narwhal]

Sounds like a Z2M issue

[sour shadow]

You probably want to pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT (see <#zigbee-archived message>), and then see https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/flashing/flashing_the_cc2531.html for flashing that really bad choice of coordinator. There are other pins that explain how Zigbee work, and other useful things.

[fierce ledge]

It's a longshot, but here goes anyway: one of my zigbee devices (an Ikea Tradfri light controller thingy) has been acting weirdly since 2 days. It constantly drops out of the network entirely.

During the span of a couple hours, it randomly drops out and then a few minutes until a few hours later it pops up again and works without issue for a little bit, until it drops again.

It has worked flawlessly for the last couple of months, until now. What in the world could the issue be? Is it broken?

[bright nebula]

hi! I'm trying to run zigbee2mqtt in portainer, I used the docker-compose example from the documentation as a base, but while the logs say the connection to my mqtt broker is established, it looks like zigbee-herdsman either isn't started or can't listen on port 8080

any idea how to troubleshoot that?

[jolly narwhal]

Battery powered? Connected to a good router?

[jolly narwhal]

Start it with logging level debug

[fierce ledge]

It is a router 😛

Hence it's also causing a domino-effect of issues because after it has been magically working for a couple hours and then suddenly goes poof, some devices don't work for a short while until they found a working route again.

Is there maybe some debug/log info I can view somewhere to check why/when it goes dead? I'm using Deconz btw (I know, I know)

[jolly narwhal]

Light controller thing sounds like a button

[fierce ledge]

Whoops. Sorry about that, I totally did not realize. I can't remember what it's called. One of those things where you can plug x number of Ikea leds into.

[jolly narwhal]

A led driver?

I've had a few of those for years

No issues

Using zigbee2mqtt and cc1352/2652

[fierce ledge]

Well, it was working fine for year(s) here too 🤷‍♂️ First without HA (just a Tradfri remote connected directly) and later on with HA. But it started acting up a couple days ago.

[jolly narwhal]

I have 4 of them, no issues

Never used outside of zigbee2mqtt

[abstract notch]

Not sure if you happened to be migrating from ZHA but I just did and had similar issues in my log until I removed the ZHA integration entirely

[bright nebula]

@jolly narwhal thanks! @abstract notch I also found out it's not started by default. a bit confusing that the docker-compose example provides the config for exposing the port, but the config file example doesn't include the frontend part. now I got everything working and could pair a first device 👍

now I need to see how I can pair our Calex smart bulbs, which should be zigbee too

[unkempt sapphire]

hi, i'm super new and i have a super dumb question: from the point of view of a zigbee light bulb or button, does it make any difference if I use zha, deConz or zigbee2mqtt ?

(using one of the supported usb zigbee dongle)

[shadow valley]

how do i get started with adding my philips hue light?

i have zigbee2mqtt up (using docker)

but when i go to "devices" it just says: "Loading, please wait."

it's been like this for several weeks

[honest kiln]

I'm trying to order an aqara curtain motor from aliexpress

The page doesn't specifically say zigbee but if it requires the gateway it should be zigbee right?

[jolly narwhal]

Preference, and centralisation or decoupling

[sour shadow]

Then you need to check the logs for Z2M and see what's going on

[jolly narwhal]

Sounds like a problem with the container

[shadow valley]

i have a philips hue lamp that is not supported, it seems.. i see the following: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html . but it's kind of hard to understand how to follow this

[jolly narwhal]

Shouldn't make the UI hang

[shadow valley]

seems like i got the UI up now.. once i had a device paired, i was able to see something under devices

i have the 3261330P6 model..

i see 3261331P6 is supported

it's the philips hue still, but in black version

i believe that's the only difference

how can i quickly just add that device similar to the 1P6?

[shadow valley]

got it working 🙂

[uneven ruin]

what was the fix?

[shadow valley]

i added a new .js file and put some code into it.. :p

added this: https://pastebin.com/VWRGwtVB

and then added that as a .js to external_converters

as per: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html

[uneven ruin]

I was pulling up my example of doing that when you responded thats why I was wondering

[tall canyon]

If I add a router device to my network, do I have to manually configure it to act as a router?
I see in my map that the device counts like a router, but I see no connections between it and other devices

In this case its a Hue ceiling lamp

[jolly narwhal]

Some end devices do not switch routers

Like aqara

Or.. switch parent

[sour shadow]

It'll also take time for devices to see it and decide if they want to use it

Up to 24 hours from memory

[tall canyon]

I don't have to configure anything in any case? I'm having troubles with the signal that is recived by my window binds devices, and I was hoping that moving hue devices to Home Assistant coordinator from Hue coordinator would solve the issue

[sour shadow]

No, there's nothing you can do

The mesh will either sort itself out, or it won't

[tall canyon]

Ok, thanks a lot!

Let's cross fingers. Other solutions looks harder to implement

[sour shadow]

Best things you can do are:

1. Re-pair the end devices
2. Do an energy scan to ensure you're avoiding interference
3. Put the coordinator stick on a USB extension cable

[tall canyon]

You mean I should re-pair the end devices AFTER adding new router devices?

What do you mean about an energy scan? to check wich wifi channel is less saturated?

[sour shadow]

Yes - the pinned messages have lots of useful things

[tall canyon]

Oh, i'll check it. Ty a lot @sour shadow , I need to fix this asap or future domotic adquisitions will be heavily discussed with my wife 😄

[tall canyon]

Just one more question. I saw in Z2M documentation a property to change the coordinator intensity and now most devices improved its lqi to 170 (most had less than 100). For some reason, the device I want to improve the signal actually droped from 40 to 20. Weird, isnt it? It might need time to improve?

[sour shadow]

The coordinator can now shout louder

That doesn't help it hear the responses any better

The problem device may now be trying to talk directly to the coordinator, and struggling to be heard

[tall canyon]

I see

It doesn't even show a connection with the router now

Oh! The problematic device is a router itself

Ok, it has a sibling connection and its strong. I think I solved the issue, but ill check the docs pinned and plan a configuration upgrade. Thanks a lot!

[mighty river]

Hi all,
I don't know about the correct channel, I give it a try here...
I have a air quality sensor connected with zigbee2mqtt, that fires about 3-5 update events per second.
Now, I would like to limit the message flow by giving a debounce time of 10 seconds. But once I set a value, no matter which, for debounce for this device, no message went through. Nothing shown in the logs anymore.
Am I doing someting wrong?

[austere patio]

What device is it?

Compliant devices have configurable attribute reporting, so you should be able to set the minimum/maximum reporting intervals and the minimum change

[mighty river]

Luftmesser-01 0x9035eafffeb922b6 (0x21D5) TuYa TS0601_air_quality_sensor

setting them via the web page?

[austere patio]

If it's Tuya then it probably doesn't support attribute reporting. You've probably already seen it but: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/8154

[jolly narwhal]

Yet another reason not to buy tuya, check

[mighty river]

...did not know this issue, thanks.
so, nothing i can do? 😦

Finally, I removed all specific configs from the devices.yaml and set debounce to 1. That, at least, reduced the message volume to a third (I guess... :-)). I get only new messages if one of the air quality props are changing...
...let's see, how this works out...

[fierce fiber]

I just attached two of the same brand of IKEA light bulbs. One came up as RGB, the other did not. And neither are RGB. 😛

Is there a good way to fix this? Maybe a way to override what ZHA decided the device was?

[jolly narwhal]

Never seen that with Z2M, and i have a couple of dozen of them

What model?

[fierce fiber]

Hm, lemme see if I can find it. HA says: IKEA of Sweden TRADFRI bulb E14 WS opal 600lm

Is there a way to get more info from the UI or do I need to get one of the bulbs?

[jolly narwhal]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/LED1536G5.html#ikea-led1536g5

This one?

I have five of that one, never tried to be RGB here at least

[fierce fiber]

Yes, exactly that one.

Hmm, can't share screenshots apparently.

But it shows up with the color picker wheel.

Rather than the temperature slider.

Both of them used to work, I've just set up my smart home stuff again in a new house, same bulbs I've used for at least 3-4 months.

Very curious.

[jolly narwhal]

Sounds like zha issue then

[fierce fiber]

Seems like it yeah.

I'll give it a day or two, try and turn the bulb on and off, see if it fixes itself.

Should probably look into setting a dev environment up, might as well try and contribute if I run into issues like this, maybe I can fix something.

I have a few random LIDL home devices as well that might be nice to get better support for as well. Currently not working great.

[analog jackal]

Does anyone happen to know of a door lock for zigbee2mqtt that does NOT have the interior knob to unlatch it? I need this to go on a door that has windows and don't want someone to just break the window and be able to unlatch the deadbolt.

[nova flint]

I doubt one exists, as that's likely a fire-safety issue.

You could just encase it in a box of some sort, I suppose 😄

[analog jackal]

hmm

Yea that makes sense. I mean if they want to get in they can get in. Maybe I should just focus on sensors to alert me when the door does open and similar etf

[austere patio]

Have you tried upgrading their firmwares?

[fierce fiber]

I wasn't even aware that was a thing.

Can you do it from HA?

[jolly narwhal]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-firmware-updates

[solid rose]

Can some dev from ZHA give me a hint? I've done this PR to Quirks https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/1248 and now I'm adding it into Homeassistant, which was easy. But now I'm stuck while writing a pytest. I've added code into test_sensor.py but the test with FakeDevice is rejected. Do I need to modify the real device inzha_devices_list.py ?

[slim cosmos]

Do you need a zigbee dongle to setup aqara?

[sour shadow]

You need something - either a "dongle" (aka coordinator) or a hub

[austere patio]

Yes, ZHA supports OTA updates for IKEA devices

[fierce fiber]

Ah, very cool.

I'll look into enabling that.

[hard orchid]

Just had a question I was curious on.
I am starting to use some Zigbee devices. Is it possible, and if so how would I go about updating the firmware on the devices? I did a quick search but came up empty

[sour shadow]

ZHA?
Zigbee2MQTT?
deCONZ?

[hard orchid]

Using ZHA

[sour shadow]

Then you should read the messages right above your question

Somebody just asked about that, and it was answered right above your question 😉

[hard orchid]

I actually just saw that after I posted, I guess I wasn't scrolled all the way down and didn't notice it

However, that was perfecting timing for looking for that answer.
As always, Thanks Tinkerer

I do have another question now that I am thinking about it. I had a CC2531 I used for a short time in ZHA as a coordinator. however since I updated to the newer Sonoff USB as the coordinator, I can not remove the CC2531. I am planning on turning that into a Router, if I do so, will it change in ZHA to a router when I add it, or will it create a new device, and still have the old CC2531 as a coordinator?

[sour shadow]

No idea, somebody else may know

[solid rose]

@tropic depot can you point me into the right direction with ZHA. I've made this PR https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/1248 and now I'm adding the temp into Homeassistant, which was easy. But now I'm stuck while writing a pytest to it. I've added code into test_sensor.py but the test with FakeDevice is failing. Do I need to modify the real device in zha_devices_list.py or is there something what I'm missing?

[tropic depot]

I’ll look at it when I’m at a computer

[zinc laurel]

Ive got a Develco EMIZB-132 - https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/EMIZB-132.html connected to Home Assistant. As you can see below i am getting most of the reading but the Energy reading is completely crazy. It is showing i am using 127710 kWh and the value does not seem to change at all.

MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/0x0015bc001b0253a4', payload '{"current":5.3,"current_phase_b":6553.5,"current_phase_c":1.8,"energy":127710.53,"interface_mode":"aidon_meter","linkquality":37,"power":2101,"update":{"state":null},"update_available":null,"voltage":234.7,"voltage_phase_b":236.5,"voltage_phase_c":236.2}'

Any tips on how to troubleshoot / investigate this?

[tropic depot]

DM me w/ the test failure details. I can't help if I can't see the failures

[rapid skiff]

They have the 4 rgbw hue lights plus hub for $150 at home depot. It seems like a decent price for just the bulbs, but is the hub useful for anything?

[oak isle]

How would I go about adding Amazon Security cameras, Ring Door Bell, Arlo interior cameras, (All controlled with different amazon apps) into home assistant? I have zigbee and Z-wave setup, but these devices are connected to WIFI. What would be the best way to go forward about this. Any suggestions/youtube videos explaining these topics would be great.

[jolly narwhal]

Not if you have ZHA / zigbee2mqtt or deconz

[jolly narwhal]

They have nothing to do in this channel, they are probably cloud devices which require an #integrations-archived

[fierce fiber]

Generally, if a device uses WiFi you're kinda at the mercy of the developer because the protocol is entirely proprietary with no attempt at being standardized.

[fierce fiber]

Anyone have any experience with hacking LIDL gateways to work with ZHA?

So far it's been working great for a while now.

The only weird thing I've run into is that it seems like it randomizes it's own MAC address, so my DHCP can't assign a static IP to it. I guess I need to assign it statically directly on the gateway instead.

It's not a huge issue of course, not like I'm rebooting my server all the time, but it is a bit annoying the few times that I do.

[jolly narwhal]

Just use DNS lookup instead of ip

Make the DHCP populate dns of course

[oblique pivot]

Static IP isn’t the worst idea. For things like servers or Gateways it’s nice to be sure it works in worst conditions

[jolly narwhal]

Mostly just routers i see static ip on these days

If your DHCP server(s) is down for as long as your lease can expire for, you have bigger issues

[fierce fiber]

Can you elaborate a bit?

Have the device register itself with a certain hostname instead?

[jolly narwhal]

Well, it's a workaround

[fierce fiber]

I mean, I have been wanting to set up hostnames for my different services.

[jolly narwhal]

Most DHCP servers support populating dns

[fierce fiber]

Just for the sake of simplification.

[jolly narwhal]

I use DNS for everything

[fierce fiber]

Well, DHCP isn't working because the MAC address changes.

So it will give it a new IP because it looks like a new device. Rather weird.

[jolly narwhal]

Yes it is, we don't care what the IP is

When DHCP populate dns

Whenever a new query is made to the DNS server it will return the new IP address

[violet dagger]

Clever

[jolly narwhal]

One might think I've heard of networking before

[fierce fiber]

How does the DHCP populate the DNS? Does each device state what hostname they want?

[jolly narwhal]

Usually a device will supply a hostname yes

When it requests a DHCP address

It is part of the handshake

[fierce fiber]

Alright, that makes sense.

So even if the MAC changes, as long as it requests the same hostname, it should be good.

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

[fierce fiber]

I'll try and look into that, I'd personally rather want something externally assigning ips, than have it statically assigned.

Just for the sake of reconfiguration in the future.

[jolly narwhal]

Yes, i use either DHCP reservations (for anything permanent) and use my self assigned hostnames for lookup, or i do DHCP assigned (for temporary stuff) and use the systems self assigned / defined hostname for lookup

Only device with static address in my network is my opnsense box

I have .... 4-5 different networks on the inside

[fleet stump]

I'm not necessarily a fan of it, but mDNS works on many devices and networks too, if your DHCP server is not configured to update DNS, or if you use a different DNS server. I myself do run the DNS/DHCP combo. I'm just adding to this for additional methods for name resolution rather than using IP addresses directly.

[jolly narwhal]

Mdns works, until it doesn't usually

After working with multicast networking for 20 years, i can just say, if possible avoid multicast

Sadly some stuff relies on multicast still

[fierce fiber]

multicast is the bane of my Windows heart

Docker for Windows doesn't properly support Multicast 😢

The day I can use Docker for all my Linux needs, while daily driving Windows, will be the happy days.

[jolly narwhal]

That is easy

Just run a dedicated Linux server

Or if you must, a vm

[fierce fiber]

I do run a dedicated Linux server 😛

It's the closest I get to my dream.

I also have a few dedicated minipcs for my homelab for electronics stuff.

[jolly narwhal]

[fierce fiber]

So debuggers are attached to those, then from my desktop pc, I just tell my debugger to connect to the remote debugger and things are nice.

Only issue so far is the debugger I'm using (OpenOCD) doesn't support switching configuration as far as I can tell, so I ended up making a small web frontend to control it. 😄

[fleet stump]

I don't disagree 🙂 As I said, I don't actually use it...just is something that is easy, and sometimes just works for folks. At least I am not recommending running a WINS server 😉 Sorry...any Windows fans out there?

[jolly narwhal]

Did you say NIS ?

[fleet stump]

hahaha, no no, at least run NIS+

[jolly narwhal]

Just do hosts files

[mighty river]

Youpin Vima Tuya Smart Lock

hello i have an Problem i have Push left and right Button than i Go Out Close the door with Key after it Finish the Lock peeep and now i don't can unlock it with any keyhole what i can do? maybee If the Batterie ist enpty it UNlocks the door? Thanks Peace Alexander

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[lofty junco]

Hey 🙂 Just curious: Is there any way that HA can handle firmware updates for devices? Of what would be a good process for keeping devices up to date that are connected to HA directly (by zigbee and not their proprietary app)?

[molten linden]

Both z2m and zha support fw updates (when the devices support it and when the firmware is available) ikea and Ledvance. I believe you have to enable both and at least for zha only ikea and Ledvance are downloaded automatically you can look in the GitHub hosting the fw for z2m for any firmware and put in a folder defined in ZHA config. (It’s in the docs)

[lofty junco]

oh, that's cool! I didn't knew that was possible 😄 Will look into that, big thanks (as always) 🙂

[uncut flare]

IIRC z2m supports a wider range of devices for firmware updates than zha

both should do ikea

[lofty junco]

I'm not using ikea devices, I'm trying out "hama" TRVs right now

[uncut flare]

here's what z2m supports: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/usage/ota_updates.html#automatic-checking-for-available-updates

that page is a bit vague

it says that the list is non-complete

anyways, the zha doc page (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha) says it only supports ikea and ledvance devices

[rapid skiff]

The hue bulbs are zigbee, but I was curious about the hub. I don't need 4 rgb bulbs at the moment but they seem cool for reminders

Good rgbw bulbs seem pricy regardless

[uncut flare]

good stuff is pricy anyways

doubly so in these times

[rapid skiff]

Sure

I'm excited about the cheap sensors though

[uncut flare]

what sensors did you get?

[rapid skiff]

Nothing yet, I don't even have a system set up yet

[uncut flare]

Ah

I can recommend the aqara temperature/humidity sensors

[rapid skiff]

I got a hue sensor

[uncut flare]

motion?

I want to get some aqara motion sensors next

The hue motion sensor seems to be solid from what i've read

but... 'spensive.

[rapid skiff]

Yeah motion/daylight sensor

So I can practice with setups and see what I want to do

[uncut flare]

yeah part of this stuff is a lot of learning, tinkering and figuring out

[rapid skiff]

I'll have overhead smart wafers so I want to have them turn on with motion and adjust brightness to the actual brightness in the room

[uncut flare]

... wafers?

[rapid skiff]

Yeah wafers

[uncut flare]

you mean those large led panels?

[rapid skiff]

No, they are canless recessed lights

I'm thinking of buying this from Lowe's. Any recommendations? https://www.lowes.com/pd/Juno-Connected-Wafer-Integrated-LED-6-in-75-Watt-Equivalent-Matte-White-Round-Dimmable-Canless-Recessed-Downlight/5000183151

[uncut flare]

oh... those

[rapid skiff]

You can throw them up everywhere, even below a joist

[uncut flare]

Yeah I know those.

Never heard of them being referred as wafers

but then, I'm from the Netherlands

[rapid skiff]

Ah okay

So there's one wafer that supports zigbee that I know of, which I linked

All others are wifi

[uncut flare]

how about you look for something that supports GU10 bulbs?

another alternative would be to get a "dumb" light that supports generic dimmers, and get a separate zigbee-enabled dimmer

Or maybe just a zigbee relay module if you don't need dimming

[rapid skiff]

Those don't flush mount in the ceiling

[uncut flare]

I see

[molten linden]

Can create a folder and clone the ota github and then have access to all the same fw in ZHA.

(Well some are just links to other places sigh- but it’s doable.)

[lofty junco]

Hmm... I'm trying out my newest hama TRV and for some reason the values it transmits seems to be not true?
The temperature I set it o (currently 15,0) is very previse and updated almost instantly. But the 25,5°C is absolutely not the temperature I have on my radiator here. It was the high temperature while i was switching out the TRVs, but now it should be waaaay lower since I also openend the window 1m next to it
. Also the "heating"-mode ("heizung") indicator seems to be off but i'm not sure if this model even has the feature to show if it's heating or idle. The device is using zigbee by ZHA.

https://ibb.co/gvsv4K0

[obsidian sandal]

@lofty junco posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/wegikuciyi

[lofty junco]

I deleted some previous quirk that I had installed, in case this was messing things up...

I also think that the terminology for that valve is different. I think the "heating" means it's "not off" and not "always on" but instead is doing its automated measurement if it needs to open or not.

[pseudo sierra]

I have added a hue bulb directly to my husbzb1 - the bulb works for brightness on/off but I don't see a temperature wheel or way to set the colour to bright white. Is there something I am missing ? I wanted to switch my bulbs away from my hue hub and to direct connect

[jolly narwhal]

With what integration?

[cerulean abyss]

Hmm I can see tube’s zigbee controller as an option to add using Esphome in integrations, is it worth adding or will it break things

[pseudo sierra]

Zha

[scenic pier]

someone expert on zigbee2mqtt here? struggled thrue youtube and everything but i wont get it to work

[violet dagger]

that's awfully unspecific

what type of installation are you attempting?

[scenic pier]

it wont start

im trying to install zigbee2mqtt

so i can pair lights and so 😛

[violet dagger]

well... i'm out

[scenic pier]

its an addon

[violet dagger]

not my cup of tea

[jolly narwhal]

Then #add-ons-archived is probably better

I didn't know it could fail an installation

[scenic pier]

ill go there

[jolly narwhal]

Unless it was #330944238910963714

[molten linden]

Just let it be. Not sure why it isn’t show. But no need and can just accidentally you disable it if integrated.

[sullen coral]

If a ZigBee controller dies and is replaced, what work is involved? Does everything need to be paired again? If so, will everything show up again as before?

[austere patio]

Depends on the integration and coordinator

[sullen coral]

What ever is default with give assistant... Let me check.

[austere patio]

ZHA

[sullen coral]

Yes, ZHA.

[austere patio]

What coordinator?

And why do you think it "died"?

[sullen coral]

Deconz with a conbee 2.

It's not died in yet. I'm planning my recovery strategy.

[austere patio]

If you upgrade its firmware to the latest release, you can take a backup of its network settings: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2

Then just restore the backup to any other supported coordinator

Note that you'll have to increment the frame counter to exceed the current value so it won't be enough to just restore a month old backup

[sullen coral]

Interesting.

[austere patio]

I suggest taking two backups, 24 hours apart, to roughly estimate how much your frame counter increments every day. Then just increase it by 5x that value when you restore the backup (multiplied by the number of days since the last backup).

[sullen coral]

Ok. Thanks.

I'm planning to have a second system ready before I start covering light switches.

[lime locust]

do all battery powered zigbee buttons go into sleep mode , have a single aqara button that i often have to press twice because of sleep mode

[austere patio]

That sounds like a mesh issue, sleeping is done by the firmware and should not require you to "wake it up" with multiple clicks

What is the Aqara button's parent device? It likely chose a poor one.

[lime locust]

a light bulb has 188 lqi

[austere patio]

Which LQI?

[lime locust]

to the button

[austere patio]

As in the device page shows LQI: 188?

[lime locust]

map

[austere patio]

Can you upload a screenshot somewhere?

[lime locust]

https://imgur.com/a/ZRGFcSc

its the only thing connected to the bulb

[austere patio]

And other Aqara devices connected to other bulbs of the same type have no issues?

[lime locust]

none

[austere patio]

Have you tried changing its battery?

[lime locust]

hmm might try that , re-pair might help as well ?

[austere patio]

Probably not if that's the closest bulb

[lime locust]

2 are equally close , the one its connected to has the worst lqi towards coordinator though i noticed

[jolly narwhal]

What router is it connected to @tidal sage ?

[tidal sage]

Quick question - New home assistant install with a HUSBZ1 usb stick, we're trying to pair an Aqara door sensor but it constantly reports closed. Battery reports 73%. Setup is connected to a Ubiquiti UAC-AP Lite, that goes back to a Motorola Surfboard

Does that sound like there's a missed step somewhere, or like it's just defective? Maybe there's a jam or something in the sensor?

[tidal sage]

How would you confirm that the HUSBZ1 is working properly?

[austere patio]

ZHA would fail to load if it isn't

"Router" in the Zigbee world doesn't mean your internet router, it's any device that helps extend your mesh, like a powered outlet, a bulb, etc.

[tidal sage]

Oooh interesting

[jolly narwhal]

That means you have none i guess?

Most users that don't know usually only have end devices

[tidal sage]

Yeah I haven't set up any range extension or anything. Or set any bulbs like that

[jolly narwhal]

You don't set them

You have them

So you have only battery operated devices?

[rugged scarab]

so it reported as open correctly once. then when tested again it is still showing as closed

[tidal sage]

I have a mix in my settings but @rugged scarab doesn't, just battery

And only a couple of devices anyway

So congestion shouldn't be an issue yet

[jolly narwhal]

Routers certainly help

[lofty junco]

Anyone knows if the "AVM Fritz DECT 301" thermostate is supporting zigbee? I sadly can't find much information about that :/

I'm very frustrated right now :/ The "hama TRV" i bought seemed to be perfect, but it's temperature measurement seems to be completely broken. So I guess I gotta try tom other smart valves now? :/

[gleaming jay]

Does anyone have a leviton on/off switch, the DG15S? I looked in blackadder and they don't have any details on it. Looking to find out what kind of features it has

*what kind of zigbee features

[gleaming jay]

It's a tad concerning that there's so little on the internet about this switch

[molten linden]

I bought one, but haven’t set it up or know where I’m going to put it 🤦‍♂️

[gleaming jay]

aww well get on it and report back 🙂

[gleaming jay]

well, i just ordered 3 of them anyway. hopefully they're fine. They can handle inductive loads which most switches can't, so I chose the leviton over other cheaper brands

should be a case of get what you pay for

[mellow geode]

huh, looks like the latest Z-Stack still occasionally locks up

i did many firmware upgrades before (Hue/IKEA) and a couple of days later, it "randomly" stopped responding with zigpy-znp unable to reconnect

a replug fixed it though

[solid rose]

No it uses same protocol for the cordless home telephones, DECT. It's is in the name of the product by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_enhanced_cordless_telecommunications

[solid rose]

Is your problem with HAMA that it never publishes current room temperature? This is a more a known feature then bug. Some TRVs had to be switched to special "online" mode where they for ca 1 minute are publishing all values. I think this in order to reduce radio transmission and save battery.

[normal plaza]

My Zigbee2MQTT suddenly stopped working - I get the following in logs: https://pastebin.com/jHVHSYMM

It's the Slaesh CC2652

I've tried switching port, tried switching to /dev/serial/by-id. Any ideas?

[cyan gulch]

Configuring zigbee report interval?

[wide quiver]

Hi, not really a zigbee issue but somehow related. Did someone manage to revert the engine polarity of this Tuya thermostat valves TRV601 (this one: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005003172302505.html) ?
I even bought a Tuya bridge just to try with their "simple life" app but it does not work neither.

[jolly narwhal]

That looks like a software issue @normal plaza

Are you running #add-ons-archived or something else?

[civic ocean]

Anyone here have experience using Tuya's zigbee leak sensors? I havent see any success (or failure) stories from my googling so far.

[jolly narwhal]

Aqara are great

Tuya is known to be a pita

[sour shadow]

Can confirm, I have some. They're crap

[brave cedar]

Hi all, after having issues with my zigbee network for months now (tried all trouble shooting steps) I've decided to start clean.
I have a ZZH(cc2652R), I have flashed the latest firmware, deleted the ZHA integration, reboot and now want to reconfigure ZHA again. But from the start I have 2 entries, one for the coordinator and a unk_manufacturer unk_model. Anyone an idea how this comes?

can't post screenshots it seems, so I'll upload it to an image host

https://ibb.co/SRT1hBr

and ZHA sees both of them as a coordinator

https://ibb.co/qNG0F9N

[gaunt forge]

Hi All
asking for advice regarding controlling a zigbee group of covers/blinds from HA.
I‘ve got three Aqara Roller Shade Driver E1 paired in Zigbee2MQTT. I‘ve also created a Zigbee group in Z2M for them.
In HA I can control each one individually but using the group instead does nothing.
Any idea what I‘m missing here?

[normal plaza]

I'm running the Zigbee2MQTT addon yeah. I haven't changed anything on the HA in weeks, and it doesn't auto-update, which is why its so weird

[jolly narwhal]

Well, add-ons auto update afaik

I dont use them

[normal plaza]

Nah, you can toggle it off, and none of the few I use update

[normal plaza]

Hmm, got it to work somehow. The coordinator_backup.json file was empty for some reason, so I found my latest backup and pasted it in. Now it works. Very strange

[jolly narwhal]

Never seen that

[austere patio]

ZHA keeps device info in /config/zigbee.db. if you want to start from scratch, delete that file as well.

[mighty river]

Hello

I'm trying to change sonoff temperature and humidity zigbee sensor data pushing intervals from 15 minutes to 5

however when i use bellows command it returns [0xd59d:1:0x0402]: Message send failure

any ideas why?

here is a command that I use to set it: bellows -v INFO -d socket://192.168.14.22:8888 zcl -D zigbee.db '00:12:4b:00:22:69:c4:39' 1 1026 configure-reporting 0 10 900 1

[austere patio]

From what I recall, Sonoff sensors only really poll their parent for a short time after joining, after that they sleep aggressively

[mighty river]

well, I just entered the command and woke sensor up

if it's sleeping a get a bunch of different errors, so according to this I don't think that it's sleeping

[austere patio]

"Message send failure"?

[mighty river]

I think that timeout error is returned when it's sleeping

but obviously I could be wrong here

[austere patio]

What does -v DEBUG show when you re-run the command? I don't think there's really a way to wake up the sensor, even if you press the button

[mighty river]

log is to big to send as text

[austere patio]

You can upload it somewhere (e.g. https://dpaste.org/)

[mighty river]

http://dpaste.org/JM8p

[austere patio]

Ah, bellows CLI strips timestamps

MAC_INDIRECT_TIMEOUT : Indirect data message timed out before polled

I think it's just sleeping. Try re-joining it, you should be able to send that command before it stops polling. Or temporarily edit ZHA's default attribute reporting so it configures the sensor directly.

[mighty river]

and how should I do that?

[austere patio]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/92b48cca7e51a8f42f0a3f73bc94c9a94ad84f2f/homeassistant/components/zha/core/channels/measurement.py#L89-L100, the current settings are https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/e03283292be22c9188de9ed6ecd973fd99e2857d/homeassistant/components/zha/core/const.py#L281-L283

[solid rose]

Usually short press, not hold, to pair button wakes every battery operated zigbee device

[mighty river]

I would expect Last Seen: 2022-01-16T19:13:03 to change after it wakes up? no?

[austere patio]

It sends a low-level poll packet to its parent device. If that parent isn't the coordinator or if bellows isn't configured to report when child devices poll, you won't see any update.

[mighty river]

and after changing const.py I should restart HA core, right?

[austere patio]

Yeah

[mighty river]

thanks! trying to restart, will re-add sensor and will check if it's better

[tall canyon]

Can somebody help me with Zigbee groups? I made one and I see it on zigbee2mqtt frontend, but I can't find it as Entity or State at Home Assistant

[jolly narwhal]

You need to define it

https://github.com/atxbyea/HA-Config/blob/03bcfa45e067b54d8345e6219e771f1954acc198/configuration.yaml#L155

[lilac wharf]

I think newer versions of z2m support discovery for zigbee groups

[jolly narwhal]

They do?

Didn't see that

[lilac wharf]

Think so. I'll have to find the release notes

[tall canyon]

Oh, now I remember I have to change the repository to update last z2m version

I'll try with that. Ty very much!

[lilac wharf]

Yeah, 1.20: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/releases/tag/1.20.0

@jolly narwhal

[jolly narwhal]

Noice

Didn't know that

[lilac wharf]

Look alive out there

Your new child is making you delusional

[jolly narwhal]

@lilac wharf

[lilac wharf]

[lofty junco]

i think that might be true or the case? it'S weird, my hama TRV seems to "measure" temperature (or at least HA shows some temperature) but it's just decreasing by 0.1 °C each hour or so while the window is open and the room is cold.

[lofty junco]

do you by chance have more information about that "online" mode? you said it would publish the values for 1 minute, would that mean that after this 1 minute i won't get new temperature reading again? that wouldn't make any sense to me :/

[rocky sleet]

any1 now why my IKEA5btn eat batteryz ?

i think it start when i moved to hacke_lidl gw

i mean before i couldn't use tuya rc (4button lidl), but on new gw all work ok, but now ikea RC battery least day or 3

[vestal atlas]

There is/was some bug with ezsp and ikea buttons. I don't know if there is firmware lidl gateway that fixes it.. Someone else maybe knows?

[crude otter]

i have a warning in my logs that states "Unknown cluster 57344", related to zigpy (and therefore i assume ZHA)

how can i find more info about this warning and fix it?

[jolly narwhal]

You have poor coverage / not enough routers probably

[vestal atlas]

That's not the root cause of all evil in the world. It's a bug https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware/issues/12

[jolly narwhal]

Probably not, but it is often the cause

Il gonna guess the reply is "I have only battery devices anyway"

[hybrid gyro]

Hey all.

ZHA user here - I have IKEA tradfri switches and bulbs. I can setup automation to get them to work together fine, but I can't bind the switches directly to the bulbs so they they bypass ZHA. When I click bind devices on home assistant it just sits there with the bind button lit doing nothing

I've searched around the forums and there was the suggestion that ikea bulbs no longer allow binding via a group, but I'm trying to bind directly. I've also seen suggestions that switches can be a bit finicky and need to be "awake" to bind but I don't know how I might do that, other than pressing the switch while I'm trying to bind

[jolly narwhal]

Yes that is the correct way to wake something

I however don't use bind for anything, so I have no idea

[jovial aspen]

the tradfri plugs are routers, yeah?

[jolly narwhal]

Fun fact, I have 80+ bulbs, I've just had a second bulb die in 3 years

Both have been hue

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

[violet dagger]

LED bulbs are supposed to last longer 🙃

[jovial aspen]

do they play nice with sonoff end devices?

[sour shadow]

Sonoff....

[ivory hound]

@jovial aspen https://community.openhab.org/t/zigbee-ikea-and-other-efr32mg1p-based-products-occasionally-crashing/109296

do a read

[violet dagger]

you mean does sonoff play nice with the routers?

[jolly narwhal]

Tradfri sure does

[sour shadow]

Nah, you mean does Sonoff work reliably

[jolly narwhal]

computer says no

[jovial aspen]

Yeah I know sonoff's are shocking

their physical design worked better for me in this use case

[jolly narwhal]

Dremels can help

[brave cedar]

zha:
zigpy_config:
network:
channel: 15 # What channel the radio should try to use.
channels: [15, 20, 25] # Channel mask

Can someone explain to me what the Channel mask means?

[austere patio]

You can ignore it, it doesn't do anything at the moment

[jolly python]

is there anything against the ikea symfonisk remote or is it worth a buy to control the volume of a media player

[violet dagger]

its aight

[azure tinsel]

I was wondering if there is a way to see the raw communication between a ZigBee2mqtt coordinator and a device. I have an Eurotronic ZigBee trv which isn't fully configured in Z2M . It misses attributes like valve position and I think it has attributes that ha doesn't has exposes for. I'm trying to find out how to get those into an external converter. But I'm afraid that I can't expose these attributes in ha if ha doesn't support the exposes right? Is there a way to send raw commands to a ZigBee device using Z2M in which the actual attribute id is send with a value. or does this always need to be supported by z2m? The valve has an attribute id 0x4001 valve_position that can be read and write. At this moment this attribute can't be read in Z2M and in ha it gives an error. I think valve position is an unknown attribute in Z2M and ha

Valve position in Z2M reports null

When looking in phoscon the attribute has a normal value

[nova flint]

Hmm.. Got a new zigbee stick. Now the big question is: Do I go with zigbee2mqtt or zha? 😄

[violet dagger]

neither

[jolly narwhal]

Zigbee2mqtt crew representing

[nova flint]

deCONZ is a no-go due to the stick I chose 😄

[ivory hound]

@nova flint you did not loose anything

belive me

and with what you go depends only on your preferences

[sour shadow]

Sure he did
||He missed out on pain and suffering||

[ivory hound]

if you want zigbee to be developed by ha team and you are not a 100 % geek go with zha

if you want a total control over and different host if necessary go for z2m

[violet dagger]

if you want your stuff to break together with HA, go ZHA

[ivory hound]

involves more work

[torpid cove]

zigbee2mqtt
do i need to do anything after changing the zigbee channel?

[sour shadow]

Re-pair everything

[torpid cove]

oh no, what have i done

but thanks

[jolly narwhal]

[ivory hound]

lol

haha

😂

[lilac wharf]

[mighty river]

Hello everyone:

I have a quick question that I'm not able to find online abut compatibilities

the hardware for Alexa or Smartthings will work with Zigbee in homeassistant ?

[sour shadow]

If it's a Zigbee device, not a hub, then yes

[mighty river]

thanks

[nova flint]

So, I decided to roll with ZHA.. But ran into a slight issue 😄
One of my curtains installs without entities. Damn Tuya devices 😄 It's a TS0601 motor, but manufacturer tag is slightly different from identical motors: _TZE200_rmymn92d
Apparently, I'd just need to add that to zhaquirks/tuya/ts0601_cover.py, but I can't seem to find that file 😄

[austere patio]

Configure https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#custom_quirks_path, download https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/dev/zhaquirks/tuya/ts0601_cover.py into that folder, and edit this file directly

[nova flint]

Thanks @austere patio

[nova flint]

Hrm, not that easy then :/ Got it to spawn the entities, but the service calls throw a "KeyError: '_TZE_rmymn92d'" and do nothing 😦

@austere patio Apparently I'd need to add the cover command to the tuya/__init__.py as well. Since you were so helpful with the quirks path, I figured you might have the know-how to point me in the right direction here too 😄

[austere patio]

That's unfortunately something that a custom quirk can't override

See https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/#testing-quirks-in-development-in-docker-based-install

[nova flint]

Damn

Could I just fake the manufacturer with zha device_config? Since it seems to be using the manufacturer name in the service call

Wait.. quirk replacements say that models_info is generally omitted. That means it can be overridden there, right? 😄

Well, that failed. Guess I'll just edit the tuya quirk init file manually for now, and put a PR to the repo once I get it working 😄

[dusky hatch]

Hey, what cheap coordinator did you go for? I'm wondering about one for testing too so I don't have to tear down my network to test support for a new device

[jolly python]

pls no CC2531 or CC2530

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

Please

No more

[rapid skiff]

Well, I thought it was going to be cheap, but I didn't realize I would need stuff to flash it

[jolly narwhal]

I can't take any more bad coordinators

[rapid skiff]

I was told this would be fine to set up a network: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081WRGL31/c=1

Going to replace with one of the upgraded POE coordinators though

Once I do that I can use these as repeaters I belive

[dusky hatch]

I have an EZSP based device but there appears to be a problem in the incoming message parsing at the moment in zha (https://github.com/zigpy/bellows/issues/432)

[dusky hatch]

What would you pick instead for development?

[rapid skiff]

I believe this is the cheapest option, although I'm not sure if you need a kit to reflash it: https://www.amazon.com/SONOFF-Gateway-Universal-Assistant-Wireless/dp/B09KXTCMSC/

This combination is $30 and was the cheapest, in stock option to set up zigbee: https://www.amazon.com/ICQUANZX-Bluetooth-Programmer-Connector-Downloader/dp/B0928STY74/=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08222729N/

[jolly python]

Look through the pinned messages

[dusky hatch]

thanks

[jolly narwhal]

That isn't fine

[rapid skiff]

I was under the impression it was fine for a few devices

No one was giving me a real recommendation, but I am getting a tubez POE

Thanks for reminding me, I missed the restock email from last week

https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/39?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=2

This is probably the best, cheapest USB option from the list

[jolly narwhal]

25xx are fine as routers

I think I paid $4 each last I bought a bunch

26xx is what you want

[rapid skiff]

The one I linked comes with the interface board, then you buy the usb flasher separate

And yeah it seems good to have some spare parts for testing

[jolly narwhal]

I have 2x 2531 as routers, a spare 1352p2, soon to be a spare zzh 2652 and then the Poe tube will be my active one

[rapid skiff]

I got the impression that the tubez was all out of stock for a while but there was a short wait list, plus some in stock now by the looks of it

[jolly narwhal]

Yes I ordered it in early January

It's been in transit for 14 days

[rapid skiff]

Damn. Yeah some shipping is slow right now

Most shipping

[jolly python]

I hope my zzh 2652 is here soon

[rapid skiff]

Anyone use a zigbee heating thermostat like this? Centralite HA Thermostat with Zigbee for Xfinity Comcast Time Warner 3156105 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IUN4K3C/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_g_H9J3A3MCMP7D236WYV5A

[shadow valley]

is it normal to lose connectivity with the bluetooth remote control that came with my philips hue light as soon as it's paired with zigbee?

[jolly narwhal]

Makes no sense to have both enabled at the same time at least

[shadow valley]

well.. the problem with only having it in h-a is that we have no tactile control of the lights besides automation and opening up a phone

whereas using the remote we could just turn the lights on/off whenever we wanted

[sour shadow]

Pair the remote to HA, use HA to do magic when you push the buttons?

[jolly narwhal]

You could integrate the remote in ha, or any other remote, or any other factor like a motion sensor or a power sensor

[shadow valley]

can the remote that came with the light be integrated in ha?

[jolly narwhal]

If it is Bluetooth

And ha has Bluetooth

Which remote is it?

I only see ZigBee remotes

[jolly python]

Is it a Hue Wireless Dimming Switch, that one has zigbee

[lime locust]

i have a sonoff door/windows sensor which works fine , except battery not showing and every time it opens/closes it tries to reconfigure ?¿

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-18 09:54:47: Failed to configure 'Sonoff', attempt 2 (Error: Bind 0x00124b0022ea7564/1 genPowerCfg from '0x00124b0018e299ec/1' failed (AREQ - ZDO - bindRsp after 10000ms)
    at Timeout._onTimeout (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/waitress.ts:64:35)
    at listOnTimeout (internal/timers.js:557:17)
    at processTimers (internal/timers.js:500:7))

[shadow valley]

how is that paired?

[shadow valley]

ah, got it paired 🙂

[azure tinsel]

Is there a way to build automations based on the z2mqtt warn and error logs?

These logs aren't send over mqtt

It's funny how the Z2M logs can be saved in a file posted over syslog but not mqtt

[jolly narwhal]

Logs make little sense over mqtt

It's a message service

What kind of warn and error messages?

Tbh, it would be like saying "it's funny how I can't use my ZigBee mesh to open pdf files"

[azure tinsel]

Nevermind found it 😅 just make a node red node and listen to zigbee2mqtt/bridge/logging

[sour shadow]

I've seen enough people ask about Z-Wave or Zigbee camera streams...

[azure tinsel]

I want to filter out errors or messages on specific devices and make notifications when they change state. Not all communication is processed by the Z2M frontend. And Im not interested in searching log files of Z2M with 100.000 of lines. With this I can filter logs of a device and only save these lines or trigger automations based on those

[jolly narwhal]

Curious what errors though, only errors i ever get are if devices are offline

[sour shadow]

I get the occasional device didn't respond type message, when it has to retry

[azure tinsel]

O have an Eurotronic trv which I asked something about a day back. And no one responded on my question. The eurotronic trv has some messages that are not processed by Z2M and the device changes it's mode on itself. I want to know what is causing this.

[jolly narwhal]

Interesting

[azure tinsel]

The valve_position which can be set with trv_mode 1 works but the device goed back to trv_mode 2 after several hours

[jolly narwhal]

Mostly all water based heating is automated the last 30 years, and it only exists in big cities

So I've only ever seen a valve irl two or three times

[azure tinsel]

Well here lots of people use these Trv's to set room specific tem0s

Temps

And Trv's can save money on gas usage. By closing valves in rooms that don't need to be heated at that time.

But that's not really the discussion here. I just need to know why this valve reacts the way it does.

And with over 130 devices the logs get scrambled very fast so I needed a way to filter them.

[rapid skiff]

@molten linden Damn you are fast, thanks for the quick shipment.

[nova flint]

ZHA ended up giving me all the grief about my curtain motor, so instead I opted to go with zigbee2mqtt. Surprise surprise, it works flawlessly 😄

[jolly narwhal]

My tube is on the way to my house now

Might come tomorrow

[molten linden]

That’s pretty good to be honest.. faster than average to most EU countries.

[jolly narwhal]

Good thing we aren't EU

[jolly python]

GB it is?

[jolly narwhal]

Nope

[jolly python]

Hilser på deg

[jolly narwhal]

Ka fan

[jolly python]

Norsk er ikke mitt morsmål men jeg klarer å snakke litt på norsk

[jolly narwhal]

Approved

Better than @lilac wharf

Hællø fråm Sjikagå

[jolly python]

Higgelig å møte deg men jeg tror det er ikke den riktige avdelingen for å snakke om andre greier enn zigbee

[jolly narwhal]

Please don't ask me to reply in one of the 7 languages i know somewhat

すみません

[jolly python]

ok mein Freund

[jolly narwhal]

Das ist super, ich verstehen gut

[violet dagger]

Das war ziemlich schlecht

[jolly python]

deutsche Sprache = schwere Sprache

[cerulean abyss]

Like English?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes, my English is horrid

[spice kelp]

is there a frequency/threshold for updates on aqara temp/humid sensors? i have two that seem to send out updates somewhat randomly

[jolly narwhal]

Whenever the change is big enough

At least every 24h

I think....

[spice kelp]

any idea what that threshold is? or if it takes all of the measured values into account (temp/humid/pressure)?

[sour shadow]

I don't think anybody has reverse engineered it

Given the reporting of mine I'm guessing each is separate, but based on change and time

[spice kelp]

roger that. i'm trying to run some statistical trends on sharp humidity changes for bathrooms, hopefully the built-in update logic will work

[sour shadow]

My experience is that it should

[cerulean abyss]

I’ve noticed mine pick up sudden humidity/ temperature/ pressure changes

[sour shadow]

Not hard to spot when the shower was in use

You can even see the bounce when the fan was turned off and the door closed

[cerulean abyss]

Curious why does it spike so much then reduce back down. I’ve noticed it on mine too, surely when the fan is on it wouldn’t cause a spike

[sour shadow]

Well, easy. The fan can only push out so much air, while the shower is adding lots of humidity

Once you stop showering the fan can reduce the humidity

[spice kelp]

especially if the door is closed

[cerulean abyss]

Ah is that one spike your entire shower?

It’s too short in my opinion

[sour shadow]

🤣

[austere patio]

I believe it's 0.5C for tempersture and reports everything at least once every 50 minutes in its heartbeat

[sour shadow]

The point it goes back up is when I've closed the door on the bathroom, and turned off the extractor. The overall humidity rises a bit

You can even see when the door was left open later

[cerulean abyss]

Also imagine having a proper extractor fan. Stupid apartment was built with 1 fan to take air from 2 bathrooms and the laundry

So it doesn’t pull air from any

Someone thought it would be smart to save $15-30 an apartment

[sour shadow]

That's builders for you, build things to the lowest standard they can get away with

[cerulean abyss]

Thankfully it’s an ensuite so the door to the bedroom can be left open and vent air out the bedroom window

But yep

It’s just…. Why

Builders can be weird

[spice kelp]

i think you mean cheap/lazy

[cerulean abyss]

What about all 3

[gusty lodge]

Has anyone had any weirdness with Tradfri GU10 bulbs sometimes losing connectivity for a couple of seconds? I've 6 in a room - grouped - and I toggle them using a Shelly switch in "detached" mode. Works fine most of the time. However, sometimes one of them won't toggle and stays off. Pressing the switch toggles them all, which means that one is then the opposite state to the rest. Pretty irritating as you have to go into the app and turn it off manually.

I'm wondering whether a solution is to have an intermediary boolean input which the switch triggers, then the lights sync to the state of that input (so a two step thing rather than the switch toggling the lights directly). That way, even if the light drops for the first press, pressing it again will sync them back up (whereas using toggle you end up with them stuck in opposite states)

[jolly narwhal]

No issues here

I have 25 of them

Half of them adjusted throughout the day, every three minutes

[tall canyon]

Hello. I just had a very weird problem and I really need help.
Yesterday I changed my zigbee coordinator channel and re-configured all devices. I then updated my automations as some renamed IDs were not the same.
The light has gone out and now:

• I don't see any device in the zigbee2mqtt panel
• In the settings I see the old channel
• Automations continue with the changes I made yesterday
• Home Assistant log shows device actions
• Automations not working

Does anyone have any idea what could be going on?

I see the configured devices in the configuration file

[gusty lodge]

Interesting. What do you use to switch them?

[tall canyon]

More info about my issue. When I change the configuration to use the channel I was using after the light gone, zigbee2mqtt fails to start:
Error: Coordinator failed to start, probably the panID is already in use, try a different panID or channel

[austere patio]

Grip the antenna with your hand when starting Z2M, it needs to not see any nearby routers from your previous network

[tall canyon]

let's try that. ty

I can also power off all lights, that I gess are the routers, right?

[austere patio]

That would work too

[tall canyon]

it starts, but doesnt see any device .... 😦

There's any way I can check the channel devices are trasmiting their info? I belive it was 25, but it's the only thing that I can think I can try...

[austere patio]

Did you change the channel when setting up Z2M?

Or did you just use the default?

[tall canyon]

Yhea. I was using 11, but 4 days ago I updated the configuration becouse of network issues. That's why Im pretty sure it was 25

The fact that it didnt start becouse of the router's signal thing I thought it would confirm it, but it didnt work. I have all devices listed on the devices file and channel changed to 25, and yet it show's no devices in zigbee2mqtt dashboard

[sour shadow]

If you changed the channel you have to re-pair all the devices

[austere patio]

You can usually change it back though

[tall canyon]

The thing is, before the lights went off the channel was 25 (i think) and everything was working.
After the power off, the channel used is 11, but the devices are still in the configuration file. If I change the channel back to 25, shouldn't it work?

Oh, one device went back! Weird, only one ...

Now I get a lot of this messages:
Received message from unsupported device with Zigbee model 'undefined' and manufacturer name 'undefined'

[amber gull]

Hey ho, crashed my ZHA network upgrading to 2021.12.10 - Everything was NWK_NO_ROUTE -- Power cycled coord and about 30% came back, most now is MAC_NO_ACK -- Incoming attribute reports seemed to work the entire time

Tried to restore a ZNP NVRAM backup just for fun and get:

zigpy_znp.exceptions.InvalidCommandResponse: Expected SRSP response SYS.OSALNVWriteExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>), got SYS.OSALNVWriteExt.Rsp(Status=<Status.NV_OPER_FAILED: 10>)

[jolly narwhal]

They turn on based on door or motion sensors and they edit throughout the day with adaptive lighting

[austere patio]

Hey Walt! That's not right. What version did you upgrade from?

[amber gull]

2021.12.9, I believe -- or 2021.12.8 perhaps -- I just target the 2021.12 tag and refresh it periodically

I bounced back down to 2021.12.9 with same results, pretty sure it's hardware / coord or my network

Power cycled most routers, end devices -- reset and couldn't rejoin

Brought HA back up and it's mostly NWK_NO_ROUTE again

[austere patio]

I don't think any new ZNP releases have been released with Core since early December (2021.12.0?)

[amber gull]

I did get cocky and added an Ecosmart to the network about a week ago 🤣 as I needed a quick bulb

[austere patio]

But you're the second person to report this problem, especially the NV_OPER_FAILED thing

[amber gull]

I'm struggling to remember the lifetime of a network -- it's telomeres attributes are...

[austere patio]

What does the "best by" date say on your coordinator?

[amber gull]

Time to revist tubeszb.com 😆

Can pull backups without issue - https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/zanivavexi.json

[austere patio]

What entry does it fail to write? Re-running the NVRAM restore with -v should print the exact command.

[amber gull]

Also weird that I am getting attribute reports for about everything that is offline

[austere patio]

If it happens again, any difference if you run an NVRAM reset before running a restore?

[amber gull]

https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/imaxudoqic.apache

[austere patio]

The very first one??

[amber gull]

😵‍💫

[austere patio]

Any difference with the reset? Only thing left to try is re-flashing and re-writing the NVRAM from your backup...

If that doesn't work, something is actually broken

[amber gull]

Restores fine after nvram_reset 😅

[austere patio]

May take a while to start transmitting properly, depending on the age of your NVRAM backup. If it restores, maybe try a network backup and restore with --counter-increment 50000 or something?

[amber gull]

Brought it back up, still all NWK_NO_ROUTE

Might try flipping over to ZZH -- Need to flash Z-Stack on it though

Lots of MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE too

[austere patio]

That last one would explain NWK_NO_ROUTE

[amber gull]

Same thing on ZZH 😢

hmm, maybe not -- rejoined a IKEA bulb successfully

So ZZH didn't work initially after restoring nvram backup taken today from Tube router -- Restored a month old back up and it started working within a few minutes

These were the status codes I was getting on the tube router, first column is the number of occurences

      1 FormationFailure
      1 NetworkRestored
      1 NWK_TABLE_FULL
      2 MAC_TRANSACTION_EXPIRED
      4 MAC_TRANSACTION_OVERFLOW
     16 MEM_ERROR
    302 MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE
    374 APS_NO_ACK
    966 BUFFER_FULL
    993 NWK_NO_ROUTE
   2170 SUCCESS

I also soldered on it myself like a giant with beach ball sized fingers ---- about a week ago -- so good chance I maybe borked something then too

[amber gull]

Tube Hub was Z-Stack 3.30+ (build 20210120) and ZZH I did latest Z-Stack 3.30+ (build 20211217)

soldering was just on the USB 5V pin though, way away from anything important, I thought

[austere patio]

January build had some problems I think, but nothing like this

[amber gull]

So weird. But I always get the weird ones. 🙃

This is ZZH status counters, up for 45 minutes -- did have to power cycle a few bulbs

      1 FormationFailure
      1 NetworkRestored
      1 MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE
      2 FAIL
      2 NWK_NO_ROUTE
      9 MAC_NO_ACK
     59 APS_NO_ACK
   2052 SUCCESS

[lilac wharf]

Have you tried not breaking things?

[pure drum]

Any else zigbee devices start not being responsive and/or being late with detection?

I ask because nothing changed here (besides me getting a new phone), so I figured it must have been some sort of recent build. Started around 1/11?

[mossy fox]

Anyone else experiencing intermittent latency with zigbee?
Did you solve this problem?

I'm struggling with latency since I installed Zigbee2mqtt in HA (addon)...

I tried many things like changing channel etc, using a USB extender to move away the USB Dongle ...

I have configured a brand new HA VM (VirtualBox Image) and restored my config backup...

I have zigbee buttons and Motion sensors and once in a while, I have 3-5 sec delay before lights turn on (Mostly tasmota).

I have wifi (ESP) buttons that do not give such delays...

I've checked some logs... Z2T log (in debug) gives a time for a event which correspond to the time I see in MQTT Explorer History and usually, it fits also the trace
timeline of HA Automation. So I wonder where the delay comes from...
I do see sometime that the Automation triggered 3-5 sec after the Event appear in MQTT Explorer...

[lyric vortex]

Good evening everyone. Just checked my Amazon order and saw that my Sonoff Zigbee USB will only arrive by 23 March, which is way too late. Any recommendations for a solid zigbee USB? I guess anything 2652 right? I saw the ConBee, but the price is about double that of the of the Sonoff ($23).

[pine spire]

Hey everyone, wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it... I've got the ConBee II Zigbee controller and every time I restart HA, it tells me the port cannot be opened so I have to remove the device and re-add it. The problem is that it NEVER remembers the device name and defaults it so I have to go to each device to figure out what each device is.

I've restarted the server twice since having the Zigbee over the course of a week and both times (tonight included) the ConBee can't be seen by HA and there is no way to update the device location in HA.

[lament spoke]

Hey guy, im getting a zigbee 3 gang switch to control my lamp, vendor tell me required a zigbee hub. I don't have that hub, is there any way that my HA can act as hub to control the zigbee switch ?

[pine spire]

Not without a USB stick

[mossy rover]

I just bought this yesterday and it's in stock https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-dongle/

[rapid skiff]

Wow, I did it. Flashed a CC2531 stick, set up a MQTT docker server in unraid, set up zigbee2mqtt on unraid, paired a hue motion sensor, and added it to HA

Only took a few hours, not bad really

[lyric vortex]

Sounds like a ton of work. Well done!

[rapid skiff]

Honestly expected more issues. Ran into more unraid related issues than HA issues

In fact once everything was set up it all was flawless

[lyric vortex]

I'm still missing parts of my HA hardware. All I need is a Zigbee USB, Smart Switch and the Raspberry Pi 4 (which is nowhere to be found)...

[rapid skiff]

Really, the pi's are out of stock?

[lyric vortex]

Everywhere... (Atleast here in the US where I want to buy one before we travel...)

[rapid skiff]

Wow, your right

What about the pi 4 computer?

[lyric vortex]

It's all got to do with the semiconductor shortage...

[lyric vortex]

The keyboard one?

[rapid skiff]

Yes

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/

[lyric vortex]

At $99, I could also pick up an Odroid N2+, which is apparently ideal for HA. Since I’ll only be using HA in one room, so I can really use a toaster. I don’t really have the money/want to spend much more than $50 on the hardware. A Raspberry Pi 4, just a 2GB (maybe 4GB) should serve me just fine. Allas. No stock.

[rapid skiff]

I guess thats fair, other devices exist

Does that support pi hats?

I kinda want to separate the home automation stuff onto a dedicated computer, but unraid dockers will work for now

[little wave]

Hi 🙂 I Just picked up cover.yooksmart_window_covering. It's a zigbee shade / blind from scAmazon. All paired to hass, However up/down 0-100% is inverted. Any zigbee way to handle this?

[lament spoke]

Awwh ok

I will get a USB hub instead

[rapid skiff]

Thats a much better solution than what I did lol. Got the old model for twice as much

But now I have two spare sticks, one with an antenna

Will probably flash into routers if needed

[pine spire]

I'm about to smash the shit out of my Zigbee hub... I restart the VM it's running on and now it won't pick up the Zigbee USB hub.

[lyric vortex]

I know the Pi 4 does support hats. I just need to find a good, reliable Zigbee stick for around $20-$25…

[pine spire]

and skip everything zigbee on my network

[lament spoke]

😱

[lyric vortex]

That’s terrible! I hope you manage to fix it/the problem!

[lament spoke]

So zigbee is not Good ?

[pine spire]

I've been trying for hours now... the only thing I've found was to go into the .storage folder and look for a config file, tell it to point to the USB hub, which it already was, and restart... doesn't work.

It's not that Zigbee isn't good... it's that Home Assistant can't remember where the Zigbee hub is EVERYTIME I restart it (restart the server it's hosted on)

[rapid skiff]

https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/39?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=2

That seems like the best cheap solution

Or the sonoff just posted

I just ordered the POE model so I can stick it in the middle of my house

And will tie into my server UPS so it will work when I loose power

[lyric vortex]

I really like the look and “performance” (I actually don’t know and probably don’t need extra “performance”) of the Tube one’s or these: https://shop.electrolama.com/collections/usb-rf-sticks/products/zzh-multiprotocol-rf-stick?variant=40387937468577

[rapid skiff]

I'm assuming all the usb ones work similar. The real difference is ethernet

Well, tomorrow I get to try and pair my wafer led and see how bad that process is

[lyric vortex]

I do fear of one thing though. Loadshedding where I live. My Pi is going to be getting/going to have to go through allot of power cuts. Maybe I should hook it up to a powerbank or something.

Let me take a look at the Sonoff link…

Man

…

Thanks a million @mossy rover for the link to the Sonoff Zigbee USB. Shipping and taxes combined, the USB costs less than on Amazon. It also ships in time! Thank you!

[sour shadow]

Zigbee is fine, their problem is down to their use of a VM and issues passing through the USB stick.

You want to read the pinned messages. Any CC2652 based stick and either ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

[formal olive]

using https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/2 and a very happy customer. The support is amazing.. Most recommended

[jolly narwhal]

Mine is coming today or tomorrow

[formal olive]

@jolly narwhal you will love it.. its soo simple and easy

[jolly narwhal]

Yes, i can finally kill the raspberry pi

[formal olive]

BTW I manage to factory reset my damn hue.. by buying hue dimmer... thanks for the tips....

[jolly narwhal]

[formal olive]

a lil bit expensive but needed to do the factory reset

now I can get rid the old hue bridge

[jolly narwhal]

I usually see them for $10 new and less used

I have 4 but need to find a use for three of them

Im gonna follow tïnkerers advice and use one as a media controller in my office

[formal olive]

yeah.. mine will be used for reseting

now my hue is FREE...

😃

[jolly narwhal]

🆓

[nova flint]

The hue dimmer is actually a life-saver 😄

[jolly narwhal]

I need to configure more of my aqara cubes

[sour shadow]

Is it currently working? Moving devices can break their connection to the mesh

[jolly narwhal]

Did you press a button just before initiating the update?

[ivory hound]

like @jolly narwhal said press a button to wake up the device just before initiating the update

also press from time to time a button to make sure update don't fail

some devices roll like that

also regarding ppl complaining about zigbee2mqtt devices with latency or dropping from network i also have this issue after latest fw update CC2652R_coordinator_20211217

anyone else?

[jolly narwhal]

No issues here with 202101 fw

But I'll upgrade when I get my new coordinator

[ivory hound]

just click a button to wake device and click update right after

[jolly narwhal]

[pine spire]

Tinkerer, the VM is passing the USB stick fine, the problem is that Home Assistant is seeing it but won't read it for the Zigbee devices. Unlike the Z-Wave setup, I can't just go into the configuration to tell it "look at this device for your configuration".

[sour shadow]

[pine spire]

I can see the device in the hardware list, I've gone into the config to try to get it to point properly but when I restart it tells me "retrying setup"

[sour shadow]

ZHA?

deCONZ?

[pine spire]

yes

[sour shadow]

yes ZHA?

[pine spire]

Yes both

[sour shadow]

Both?

WTF

[pine spire]

I'm using the Conbee II USB stick

[sour shadow]

Do you have two Zigbee sticks?

You can't use both deCONZ and ZHA on the same stick at the same time

If you have both enabled then that's likely the source of your issues

[pine spire]

ok, lets back up a bit... When I plug it in, I saw something about Deconz somewhere. I don't remember. I only have one stick and it is the CONBEE II USB stick.

[sour shadow]

Right, so are you using ZHA? Are you using deCONZ? Are you unsure?

[pine spire]

The integration is ZHA

If you're talking about the USB stick, I'm unsure, I'll have to look it up.

[sour shadow]

deCONZ is software

[pine spire]

ok, then NOT deCONZ

[sour shadow]

Ok, because you mentioned you saw reference to it... that'd be good to check

[pine spire]

Is that better than ZHA?

[sour shadow]

No

But I've seen more than one person decide to run both deCONZ and ZHA, then wonder why stuff breaks

[pine spire]

ok, I got it... When I'm in the config file, the radio type is deconz

[sour shadow]

Yeah, because of the stick

So, the ZHA logs are likely to be what you need, to work out what the issue is

[pine spire]

Maybe I'm just dumb but I cannot find the ZHA logs.

[sour shadow]

They're the same as your HA logs

[pine spire]

I found a log details (Error) and this is what it looks like...

[obsidian sandal]

@pine spire posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/ateqijifig

@pine spire Rule #6: Please do not post codewalls (text longer than 15 lines) - use sites such as https://www.codepile.net/ (pick YAML for the language) or https://paste.debian.net/ (pick YAML for the language).

Please take the time now to review all of the rules and references in #rules.

Command '~codewall' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

Yeah, so it looks to be having issues finding/using the stick

[pine spire]

Which I don't understand why because HA sees it in the hardware list, the core.config_entries has it pointed to the same stick under device

So I know the VM is passing the stick to HA

It's saying the "traceback" file it's looking for is /usr/local/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py but that doesn't exist, so I don't know what to do next except delete everything and start over.

[worldly violet]

I'm using a Sonoff Zigbee USB stick. I'm having issues with Sonoff devices like temp sensor and door sensors just falling off the network and becoming unavaiable. I then need to re-pair the devices. Is this a common issue?

[pine spire]

Sorry Dirky, I don't know anything about the Sonoff Zigbee USB stick.

[sour shadow]

Which stick, they've done many of them

Though, the Sonoff sensors are known for being a bit crap and doing that

[pine spire]

Tinkerer, I detached the stick from the VM and reattached it then restarted HA and it found it again. very frustrating.

[jolly narwhal]

What hypervisor is this?

[pine spire]

It is Oracle VirtualBox

[jolly narwhal]

So not great

[pine spire]

What would you recommend? I don't have a whole lot of options (I mean I do, but I don't)... I know nothing about linux, so installing and configuring that isn't optimal, I can run a Hyper-V machine but that would be the same as the Oracle VirtualBox essentially. I don't have a whole lot of time to spare learning a new OS.

[ivory hound]

I was reading conversation of @sour shadow and @pine spire, lol

[jolly narwhal]

Hyper-v is a step up from virtualbox

It is a real enterprise hypervisor

Albeit a horrible one

[sour shadow]

ISTR it can't do USB pass through though

[jolly narwhal]

It can now

[sour shadow]

Finally

[jolly narwhal]

With hacks

[sour shadow]

So, Proxmox then...

[pine spire]

While I do agree with you, I'm new to Home Assistant, I was using Alexa and Samsung Smartthings previously...

[ivory hound]

@pine spire if you have smartthings new sensors are great

[jolly narwhal]

I work with virtualization for a living for over a decade, I'm picky

[jolly python]

Isnt kvm a better option?

[pine spire]

I have worked with virtualization for a living, but it was Hyper-V, nothing else. 😦

[jolly narwhal]

The absolute best option is any Linux flavour + KVM (for #330990055533576204 ) or Linux + docker (for #449717345808547842 )

[jolly narwhal]

My condolences, hope you aren't permanently scarred / mutilated

[sour shadow]

Proxmox is KVM under the hood

[pine spire]

What's the difference between a VM running a linux HomeAssistant_OS and "any Linux flavour + KVM" ?

[sour shadow]

The amount of control over the OS/management you have to do

I've never had a single issue with running virtualisation on top of *nix

Running it on top of windows...

[pine spire]

I really wish I had the option to learn other operating systems, unfortunately, the job I've been in has not given me that opportunity and until now, I've not needed it.

[jolly python]

Try with arch and you will learn

[jolly narwhal]

🤢

[jolly python]

You‘re really picky, what‘s bad about arch

[jolly narwhal]

It's probably fine for desktop, but it has a terrible userbase

Borderline apple people

[jolly python]

No problems so far, what is a better option out of your view

[sour shadow]

Debian or RedHat for servers IMO

(or some very close variant)

Unless we're talking commercial Unix

[jolly narwhal]

I'd say SLES for enterprise, but I'm biased

Or centos

But Debian is fine

[sour shadow]

I was put off SUSE by a raving fanatic

[jolly narwhal]

No need to call me names

[sour shadow]

Oh, no, you're stable by comparison to this person... we're talking frothing at the mouth fanboi in the worst possible way

[jolly narwhal]

Oh, a misconfigured apple person

[jolly python]

In the near future i will keep arch, maybe sometimes i will change

[ivory hound]

i would go any day with debian and docker

i work with centos and i'd not go with it for anything except stuff that dont need updates and needs to be stable

packages are also kinda old

• centos is gone

[jolly narwhal]

Debian is so restrictive it is beyond stable usually

But but, centos stream 🤢 @ivory hound

[ivory hound]

yah we sw at work all centos to debian 11

debian 11 can even detect zigbee sticks

just so @sour shadow not say this is not about zigbee

[jolly narwhal]

My hpc customers are still deciding, 4-800 systems need to switch per site

[ivory hound]

😄

[jolly narwhal]

I could probably get hpux 9 to use a ZigBee stick too

[rapid skiff]

https://www.amazon.com/Juno-WF6C-RD-TUWH-MW/dp/B08QV3S13W/

I'm trying to support this device in Zigbee2MQTT

It's a tunable white light, for the exposes, do I guess and use what other tunable white lights use?

[ivory hound]

is z-wave no?

🙂

[rapid skiff]

Zigbee

[ivory hound]

u sure?

[rapid skiff]

Yep

[ivory hound]

okay 🙂

[cerulean abyss]

It says Bluetooth

[rapid skiff]

Bluetooth/zigbee

[pine spire]

Special Feature Bluetooth, Works with SmartThings, Alexa Compatible, Works with Zigbee, Works with HeyGoogle

[jolly narwhal]

It says Bluetooth only

[ivory hound]

Works with Zigbee, Works with HeyGoogle

[jolly narwhal]

What

[ivory hound]

is zigbee too

[jolly narwhal]

The

[ivory hound]

i was just busting his balls 🙂

[jolly narwhal]

It only says bt first

[rapid skiff]

I have it paired in zigbee2mqtt

[cerulean abyss]

You have to read the spec sheet

Because why not advertise something useful

[jolly narwhal]

[rapid skiff]

The majority of people walking into a lowes will pair to their smart device

Which did work well btw

https://github.com/SmartThingsCommunity/SmartThingsPublic/blob/master/devicetypes/smartthings/zigbee-white-color-temperature-bulb.src/zigbee-white-color-temperature-bulb.groovy

So the zigbee model brought up this

[sacred hearth]

Hi, I've got a philips hue / deconz / conbee related question, is this the right channel to ask?

[ivory hound]

deconz, conbee certian not 🙂

for the rest shoot

[cerulean abyss]

You can ask about conbee , people just dislike it 😂

[ivory hound]

:))

[cerulean abyss]

Still doesn’t hurt to sick the zigbee logo onto the box/ pictures. People overlook more obvious things in their day to day lives anyway lol

[ivory hound]

the only accepted answer about that is "shitty products"

[rapid skiff]

It does have the zigbee logo on the box

In fact this is the only smart wafer with zigbee from my reserch

[sacred hearth]

I've got a philips hue and a conbee, and I'm just now starting with home assistant, and I'm wondering whether it would be better for me to connect my lights via hue bridge or via conbee II. Is it something I have to decide now, or can I easily migrate my automations later (e.g. is the interface the same, and it keeps working if the device has the same ID when moving it from hue to deconz?)

[ivory hound]

@sacred hearthbut i do like your user, it's nice 😄

[pine spire]

ok, so the ConBee II stick is garbage? Is that what I'm reading here?

[ivory hound]

@sacred hearth to answer you is gonna be like this: simple do not use conbee or deconz, use ph hub for now

you can migrate after

and ph brige works infinite better then deconz

@pine spireexactly

[pine spire]

Wish I knew that before I purchased it 😄

[ivory hound]

you gain a perfect understanding of deconz and conbee while you were here

haha

you and may other

[cerulean abyss]

The conbee stick can work. It can be buggy

Best to use it with deconz only

[jolly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-average-gif-14312851

[sacred hearth]

@ivory hound what is ph hub?

[ivory hound]

this is how i se it

https://tenor.com/view/totally-failing-disaster-collapse-silo-gif-23273403

[pine spire]

That's the stick I'm having the issue with. Every time I restart the VM it drops the connection with the CONBEE USB, not sure if that's because of the stick or the VM or a combination of both. Would I like to find something better? If there is a better option, yes. Do I have a whole lot of time to learn a new OS, no. so all of that would take more time than loading what I currently have.

[obsidian sandal]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: atxbyea

[ivory hound]

ph hub = philips hue hub

[sacred hearth]

but what is... the hub? is it another integration? or do you mean the philips hue bridge? (at least that's how it's called here)

[pine spire]

Can you use a PH hub as a zigbee hub in Home Assistant? I have one of those.

[ivory hound]

no

and no

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/hue/

u use it like this

[sacred hearth]

ok, this was already autodiscoved in my home assistant.

[ivory hound]

easy to pair and use it with your lights

even if is not hue bulbs

and when you get a proper coordinator (nod conbee) and use it with proper integration (not deCONZ) you can move everything

:))

[sacred hearth]

I already have a dozen or so lights on my hue bridge - I just have to redo everything because the rules on the bridge became too much of an unmaintainable mess. And I think I'll just use the bridge as a zigbee connector and do all the rules/button-assignment/automation on home automation this time.

[rapid skiff]

My hue sensor was easy to add

[pine spire]

So would the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 be a better option? It's in the "recommended" list, just like the ConBee but conbee is listed under "other"

[ivory hound]

way better

zzh best in class

[rapid skiff]

For $15 it seems good

[pine spire]

and half the cost... 😦 Shoulda gone with my gut.

[ivory hound]

so conbee / deCONZ remember: https://tenor.com/view/totally-failing-disaster-collapse-silo-gif-23273403

:)))))

[cerulean abyss]

Don’t get the C2530/31 based chip ones though

Those are worse than conbee

[ivory hound]

idd

[cerulean abyss]

You say yet it worked fine for me on Z2Mqtt until I got a tube one

[ivory hound]

at least conbee is powerfull

[pine spire]

ok, so ZZH is best option, but what makes it best option?

[ivory hound]

@cerulean abysswhy you got tube one then? if it worked so fine? 🙂

[cerulean abyss]

Because I wanted something Ethernet based