#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 170

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 8:18 AM

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Well, I will try anyway.
Sometimes every connection I have made with the conbee II stick dissapears, almost as if the sticks memory is wiped. It happened last week. I tried to load backups from Homeassistant but eventually I ended up doing a reset of the conbee II stick and pair everything from the beginning.
Now instead I get this other weird issue where after every host restart, my groups that I made in phoscon gets renamed into Group1, Group7 etc (Group + a random number). This is super annoying, does anyone know why I have these issues and how can I fix them?

twilit narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 8:41 AM

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Sorry, I never used deconz nor phoscon app. Maybe you should consider switching to ZHA or Zigbee2mqtt to see if the issue disappear?

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 8:44 AM

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I did consider that, but since deconz and phoscon is native (and from my google search) it seems most prefer it over ZHA which is the alternative I am considering. I am however starting to suspect my stick is defective somehow. The wipe is happening perhaps every 1 or 2 months so it is not easily testable either...
But I guess I will have to eventually (if the problems keep occuring) either buy a new stick or change to ZHA..

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I also like the phoscon interface even though it is lacking in automations

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:09 AM

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A lot of users are reporting issues with Conbee lately

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A dozen or so a week in this channel alone

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:09 AM

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lately... 😉

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:10 AM

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So it is a hardware issue? Not a deconz vs ZHA vs z2m issue?

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What alternatives do people prefer over the Conbee II?

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:10 AM

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apparently it works fine with its own software

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:11 AM

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by its own software you mean deconz/phoscon?

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 9:11 AM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:11 AM

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i don't know what i mean, i don't touch the conbees

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i just know whenever someone says conbee is bad someone says "its working fine for me"

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oh look someone having conbee issues in #integrations-archived right now

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:13 AM

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DogeWink

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:13 AM

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Yeah, I have had that exact issue myself. Firmware not connected...

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:14 AM

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most issues people have with CC2652 is not reading the firmware upgrade documentation

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:17 AM

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when going from zha to z2m. is a clean install recommended ?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:18 AM

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Clean install of what?

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:18 AM

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ha

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:18 AM

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Zha is in ha, z2m isnt

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:18 AM

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to avoid conflicts and dupes

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:19 AM

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You disable the zha integration and install z2m somewhere

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:19 AM

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zha needs to be disabled when using zqm as there is a conflict using the dongle

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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only if you use the same dongle

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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ofc

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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And in the same machine

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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RPi4 with one dongle atm

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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same dongle in multiple machines would be something new 😅

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:20 AM

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it's doable

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but horribly impractical

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:21 AM

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you mean one dong in multiple machines ;D

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:21 AM

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2 machines 1 dong

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:22 AM

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mrs and mistress

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:22 AM

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came here for help, stayed for the entertainment

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:22 AM

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Rpi 🤢

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:23 AM

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eventually i will do it your way...linux and poe etc

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:23 AM

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that's good, some come for the help and run away from the harsh truths

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:23 AM

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jagged crypt came here for help, stayed for the entertainment

5 percent pleasure, 50 percent pain. And 100 percent reason to remain in the game

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:24 AM

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And 200% atx

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:27 AM

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are these hard to flash for HA or no need for zigbee ?

https://www.styrahem.se/p/438/liten-strombrytare-paav-wifi-sonoff-basic

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its a switch

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:27 AM

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wifi 👈

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:27 AM

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remember...this is the noob speaking

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:28 AM

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denoobifying in progress

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:28 AM

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hopefully

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:28 AM

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those are good as a toy to learn, i started on one of those

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:29 AM

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postman delivers it in 2 hours or so

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:29 AM

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they also used to be 3.5$ then

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:29 AM

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Sonoff PU_PeepoLeaveExit

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:29 AM

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so. works out of the box or needs modification ?

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:29 AM

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if you're getting one of those you need a serial to USB addapter

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it works out of the box kinda using SonoffLAN component in HA

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:30 AM

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but if i reflash it ota ?

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:31 AM

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only if you know more than me

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:31 AM

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It isn't a zigbee device

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DogeWink

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:32 AM

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@inner bay if you already have a zigbee adapter why would you use the sonoff solution rather than the on/off switch from like Ikea trådfri?

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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ikea on/off isn't a switch, its a remote

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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Tradfri pepeguitarmusic

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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cuz i have mixed experience with ikea

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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I meant the on/off wall outlet

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not switch

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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I love tradfri

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80+ devices here

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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i have 3 outlets...they work good

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:33 AM

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same here, 3 of them no problem

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:34 AM

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or any other zigbee outlet and/or inline switch

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there's a similar sonoff zigbee version

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:34 AM

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this was meant as maybe putting inside something

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:34 AM

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which actually works well

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:34 AM

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this is google translate but you understand i hope

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Finished programs that are available allow it to be used against Mqtt, Home assistant etc. The programming can be done wirelessly or via cable.

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:35 AM

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i'd get https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBMINI.html for putting inside things

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:35 AM

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thats why i decided it might work

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i got the sonoff usb switch.....was a bitch to configure..

when done i found the QR card against the inside of the box

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:36 AM

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violet dagger i'd get https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBMINI.html for putting inside thing...

I have four of these in my project box

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Should use them for something

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:37 AM

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nah, the "box of stuff i intend to use but probably never will" demands the sacrifice

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:37 AM

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@jolly narwhal Would they be a good solution for hijacking the garage port opener?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:37 AM

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Perhaps

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I use a d1mini with a relay hat

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And esphome

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

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https://www.styrahem.se/p/672/infalld-relabrytare-zigbee-1-kanal-sonoff-zbmini

currently out of stock

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

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if your garage opener is 220v

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

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yep, I'm in sweden so it is

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

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u buy from there as well ?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

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The relay certainly isn't

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beardmogi

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:40 AM

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i'll just play with the thingy i get today then

just for fun

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 9:40 AM

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the dmini/esphome solution, did you have to program it youself or did it come ready to go?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:40 AM

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It takes 1 minute to flash it if you are slow

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slow_parrot

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:41 AM

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that's an optimistic estimate

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:41 AM

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iäm slow and never done it be4 so takes longer

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:41 AM

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you know you'll take the nondata usb cable first

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:41 AM

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tom

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:41 AM

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dont even know what software to use

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a plain usb cable ?

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also got this
https://www.styrahem.se/p/451/infalld-strombrytare-1-kanal-kompakt-wifi-shelly-1

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:42 AM

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now shelly you can flash ota

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:42 AM

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same shit there with wifi ?

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the switch can be flashed ota too they claim

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it's wifi so why not

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:43 AM

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always trust seller descriptions, they have your best interests in mind and do no want to sell their goods by giving vague/false claims

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:43 AM

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Both esphome and tasmota is ota

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Heck Arduino is too if you implement it

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:45 AM

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ota but you need it flashed on the device first

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:45 AM

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violet dagger always trust seller descriptions, they have your best interests in mind and do n...

That page's description of sonoff zbmini is a copy of the wifi version, it says you can flash tasmota on it.. 😅

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:45 AM

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it's like... they don't care....

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:46 AM

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blobpoliceangry

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:46 AM

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unboxing

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:46 AM

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offtopic: i need to work on my emoji game

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:47 AM

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hmm....like mrs says....it's bigger than i thought

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:48 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-seriously-are-you-are-you-serious-gif-10374112

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:48 AM

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lol

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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she says then when the electricity bill comes in?

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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tbh... i was expect a smaller switch

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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were the dimensions in fantasy units?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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Our electricity bill for December was NOK 7200+ NOK1500

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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blame the russians for cutting the gas

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:49 AM

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Thankfully state covers NOK3000 of it

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:51 AM

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Jikes. Do you have electric heating? Prase the lord for geothermal heating this winter 🙏

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:52 AM

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Yes, Norway is mostly electrical heating

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Plus water heaters

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Plus cooking

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And when power price is 500% -900% above normal

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:53 AM

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you should go knock the door of your swedish neighbour Nibe and ask for a quote. I bet they have quite a backlog with these prices tho..

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:54 AM

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when domestic price depends on the nordpol export sales then w have a circus

crude otter Jan 4, 2022, 9:56 AM

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is there a known ready firmware for the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 Dongle Plus that enables Hardware Flow Control and the +20dBm gain?

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 9:57 AM

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i also got this so maybe it solves my problems

https://www.styrahem.se/p/548/ttl-koppling-for-usb

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:57 AM

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the sweet thing with geothermal (~150-200m deep hole in the groud) is that you get really cheap heat in the winter, and basically free cooling in the summer 👍. I'm sure this can be zigbee related somehow 😅

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:58 AM

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Yeah, geothermal is nice, but it is $3-400k to install here afaik

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 9:58 AM

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crude otter is there a known ready firmware for the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 Dongle Plus that enabl...

I don't think so. There does not seem to be any real benefit of hardware flow control tho. Is there?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:59 AM

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And I'm already on bedrock, so it would be a pita to install

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 9:59 AM

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vestal atlas I don't think so. There does not seem to be any real benefit of hardware flow co...

Also no need for more dB if you have a proper mesh

crude otter Jan 4, 2022, 9:59 AM

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@vestal atlas not too sure about the hardware flow control, but the +20dBm sounds like it would be useful

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i have a fairly ok mesh these days, but i dont see the hard in using what the hardware supports

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 10:00 AM

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jolly narwhal And I'm already on bedrock, so it would be a pita to install

Afaik that just means that you don't need as deep hole. But it's not my area of expertise

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:00 AM

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Well, too much signal can also be bad

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Feedback etc

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 10:02 AM

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ok guys....if i ask nicely...what software to flash shelly and/or sonoff ?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:04 AM

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Esphome or tasmota

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And that is #diy-archived

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 10:04 AM

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ohh. sorry

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 10:08 AM

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crude otter <@!439013654122201095> not too sure about the hardware flow control, but the +20...

Image 2 people on the opposite sides of a football field, if one is screaming and the other one is talking normally the communication will only work one way. The new 20211217 firmware has +9dBm default (previous was +5dBm). If you didn't have issue with +5, +9 should be plenty

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:09 AM

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But 9 isn't even double of 5

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But wait

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That is not how dB works

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DogeWink

crude otter Jan 4, 2022, 10:10 AM

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im not even sure if the +20 it supports is tx or rx, to be honest

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or both?

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my zigbee setup was a bit shaky at the start of december.. it was fine in november.. so i assume something changed in ZHA/HA?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:11 AM

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Pretty sure it is tx

crude otter Jan 4, 2022, 10:12 AM

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but with the updates, things seem to have gotten more stable

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@jolly narwhal "up to +20dBm output gain"

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so yeah, tx

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seems less useful then

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 10:13 AM

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tasmota it is...can be flashed from the browser......thx for the help

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:13 AM

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After you have flashed it via usb yes

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 10:13 AM

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i have the ttl to usb so

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:14 AM

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Then you just need to find the pins

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 10:14 AM

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i need to solder a pin-connector to the sonoff switch first

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one i don't have atm.

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so the project box it goes to

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local components store opens 9th of january

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:51 AM

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I'm trying to install docker image of zigbee2mqtt, connected usb stick and when running docker-compose, I see this error - https://www.codepile.net/pile/egv45PVW

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 10:52 AM

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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
https://paste.debian.net/ (select YAML as the language)
https://hastebin.com/ (sometimes may not allow you to save)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:52 AM

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Please use a code share site to share your compose file

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:53 AM

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Are you running zigbee2mqtt on BSD or macos?

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Can't be the former

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So it might be the latter

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Oh right it says MacBook in the text

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beardmogi

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:54 AM

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Sorry for snippet, yes it's macos

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I'm trying to run it in docker

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:55 AM

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Snippet was fine, but we need the Docker config

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Either you've not passed the stick through correctly, or it's not where you think it is

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:55 AM

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ls -lla /dev/cu*

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:56 AM

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yaml file - https://www.codepile.net/pile/egv45PVW

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:57 AM

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Well then, looks like /dev/cu.usbserial-10 isn't there/isn't the stick/is in use by something else

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:57 AM

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jolly narwhal `ls -lla /dev/cu*`

bummer mateusz@MacBook-Pro-Mateusz /dev % ls ls -lla /dev/cu* ls: -lla: No such file or directory ls: ls: No such file or directory /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Incoming-Port /dev/cu.usbserial-10 /dev/cu.wlan-debug

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 10:57 AM

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I am using CC2531. Before I was using HA supervided with Zigbee2mqtt and Mosquito Broker. Everyting was working fine. I am now using HA container and I am a bit lost. What should I do to make it work:

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install mosquito boroker and zig2bee containers

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/02_docker.html#docker-compose

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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Yes @hushed forge

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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Under devices: specify the right path, that's all

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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use zigbee home automatation for integration

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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outer plaza I'm trying to run it in docker

you can't access usb devices from docker on macos

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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vestal atlas you can't access usb devices from docker on macos

well, fml

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM

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hushed forge 2) use zigbee home automatation for integration

Your choice, depends on whether you like having it all in one, or separating things out

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Z2M will require a bit more Docker learning from you

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 10:59 AM

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Orly @vestal atlas didn't know that, so docker on macos is even more terrible

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 10:59 AM

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(or just reading)

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 10:59 AM

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@vestal atlas @jolly narwhal can i run it on windows then?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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🤣

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Don't do that

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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No

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Please

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Don't

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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no idea, I dont run windows

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Ok

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Windows has issues with Docker too

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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fml 2x then

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Linux is fine

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DogeWink

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:01 AM

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I don't have spare ssd to boot linux and host HA, ffffuuuu

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:01 AM

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You could run it in a VM ablobgrimace

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:01 AM

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Get and random laptop or minicomputer or desktop from the last 10 years

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Except atom and arm

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Install linux

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:02 AM

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Yea, but imagine, like year ago I got rid of all electro junk from my house

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how stupid was it ...

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och god, how stupid ...

inner bay Jan 4, 2022, 11:03 AM

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atleast the sonoff button switch worked out of the box 😄

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:03 AM

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You should see my shelf of itanium CPUs and alphaserver network cards

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:03 AM

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sour shadow You _could_ run it in a VM <a:ablobgrimace:635255918442840075>

But if VM is hosted on macos, then I still won't have access to usb, amiright?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:04 AM

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No idea, I'd assume you can pass hardware through to VMs

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:04 AM

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jolly narwhal You should see my shelf of itanium CPUs and alphaserver network cards

Another approach: If I install vm software on windows and then host linux, should I do it via Docker or should I go HassOS straight?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:04 AM

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But, I only run stuff I care about on a unix type system - Linux, BSD, commercial Unix, etc

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:04 AM

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I will never advice #330990055533576204

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DogeWink

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:06 AM

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Could i ask why?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:06 AM

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Because I don't believe in the locked down auto updating philosophy

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:07 AM

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Okay, got your point

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Going back, should I be able to run Z2M on docker that is hosted on VM supervised by Windows?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:08 AM

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Probably

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I wouldn't

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:09 AM

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but I don't have hardware and it's only to build POC

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:09 AM

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Should work just fine

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:10 AM

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haos is great

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no muss, no fuss

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and on a raspberry pi to boot!

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:10 AM

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Now you're just trolling 😛

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:10 AM

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Triggered

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:10 AM

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eh, that's what i run

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it

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it works for me

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:11 AM

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Pi is a fine starter platform, until you can afford something that's not a ticking timebomb

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:11 AM

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Just started running Z2M add-on, devices are pairing, but I don't have a Last seen (it shows N/A for all devices) which I had in ZHA...
Is that normal ? Because I like to see when a device was there

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:12 AM

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i had haos running in a vm on my xeon box

jade saddle Jan 4, 2022, 11:12 AM

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zigbee adapter... usb only or usb+ethernet? I would go for usb only unless I'm missing something important here...

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:12 AM

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but i'm trying to migrate everything off it, because it costs so much to run

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:12 AM

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jovial aspen but i'm trying to migrate everything off it, because it costs so much to run

energy costs?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:12 AM

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hexed pilot Just started running Z2M add-on, devices are pairing, but I don't have a Last se...

Have you enabled it in the config?

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:13 AM

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$220 dollarydoos per year

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:13 AM

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@jade saddle advantage of ethernet version is you can place it everywhere

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:13 AM

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jade saddle zigbee adapter... usb only or usb+ethernet? I would go for usb only unless I'm m...

I just order Ethernet poe

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:13 AM

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conservative estimate

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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jolly narwhal Have you enabled it in the config?

No, for last seen didn't configure something specific, should I ?

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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Quite cost, not sure but prob we receive smaller bills for entire apartment

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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sour shadow Pi is a fine starter platform, until you can afford something that's not a ticki...

It's fine if you run on with an ssd tho. Should be just like any other computer at that point

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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it's a beast

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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hexed pilot Just started running Z2M add-on, devices are pairing, but I don't have a Last se...

If you've enabled https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/device-availability.html it should show

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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5x 8tb hdd's, 4x ssd's

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:14 AM

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vestal atlas It's fine if you run on with an ssd tho. Should be just like any other computer ...

Pi4,yes, with a USB-C power supply. Pi3 is still "fun and interesting" with power. Given that they specified it at 2.5A and most power supplies can't provide that.

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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I shouldn't mention my rack then @jovial aspen @outer plaza

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PU_PepeWhistle

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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you mention your rack a lot

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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beardmogi

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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tell us about your rack

vestal atlas Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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@jolly narwhal has electric heating so the power it uses is bascially free 😅

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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haha

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 AM

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sour shadow If you've enabled <https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/device-availab...

That's configured

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:16 AM

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i have a 5kw solar system, but it hardly makes a dent in our bill

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:16 AM

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Hope you live somewhere in California and have no heating bills

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:16 AM

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I think I had to configure last_seen: for it to work @hexed pilot

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:16 AM

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pretty much

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australia

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same climate

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:17 AM

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Guess AU has pretty consistent weather, amiright?

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:17 AM

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pretty much

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my wife runs a baking business from home though, so she nearly doubles our energy usage

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:18 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/swedish-chef-baking-muppet-gif-15620659

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:18 AM

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i likened her to the swedish chef the other day

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:18 AM

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jolly narwhal I think I had to configure `last_seen:` for it to work <@403836455300104192>

@jolly narwhal can't find that in the docs...

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:19 AM

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and lived to tell the tale, but only just

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only because looks can't actually kill

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:21 AM

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hexed pilot <@!457673488225009676> can't find that in the docs...

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/mqtt.html#mqtt-behaviour

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:21 AM

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this

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 11:22 AM

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jolly narwhal Yes <@828006908790571039>

use zigbee home automation for integration, could be another solution?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:22 AM

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Sure

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Do what suits you

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:23 AM

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Whatever floats your boat

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Decoupling is quite important for me

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So zha isn't an option

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 11:24 AM

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I am asking because at the moment no one is working.....baby steps, otherwise it is not fan enough.

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:24 AM

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If I'm about to build a POC only to test how automations work - (zigbee2mqtt, node-red and HA) is 50GB memory enough?

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 11:24 AM

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jolly narwhal So zha isn't an option

ok

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:25 AM

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outer plaza If I'm about to build a POC only to test how automations work - (zigbee2mqtt, no...

By far

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:25 AM

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Yea, I know it's wron channel, but I'm a bit afraid of people on different channels

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:25 AM

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More like 4

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:25 AM

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@jolly narwhal I got my last seen 🙂
Added to the config under advanced:
last_seen: ISO_8601_local

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:26 AM

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jolly narwhal More like 4

4gb only? Using docker, right?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:26 AM

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Yes

hexed pilot Jan 4, 2022, 11:26 AM

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I don't know who manages the docs of the add-on, but would be very usefull mentioning this

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:26 AM

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50gb is a lot of memory

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:26 AM

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Addons goaKittenAngry

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 11:27 AM

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jovial aspen 50gb is a lot of memory

Not really CouncilLaugh

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If you said TB I would agree

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 11:28 AM

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I want to install HassOS to check if slaesh dongle work @jovial aspen

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Need to know how many bloatware and docs I have to remove from company's windows lol

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 11:32 AM

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I am building my docker for zigbee2MQTT. my CC2531 is in /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B000BE88075-if00 what should I put under - device:

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/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B000BE88075-if00:/dev/ttyACM0

or

/dev/ttyUSB0:/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B000BE88075-if00

Or

/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B000BE88075-if00

jade saddle Jan 4, 2022, 11:35 AM

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Any opinions on the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus?

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 11:35 AM

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sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 11:35 AM

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Left hand side is the host, right hand side is the container

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I'd use the first one personally

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:36 AM

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jade saddle Any opinions on the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus?

mine arrived today! haven't got around to testing yet.

raven jewel Jan 4, 2022, 11:37 AM

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jade saddle Any opinions on the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus?

Mine works, I like it.

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 11:37 AM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 11:43 AM

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i have high hopes

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🤞

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 11:52 AM

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sour shadow I'd use the first one personally

Sorry for the stupid question but as it is not working and the problem could be everywhere. It is hard to find the issue when they are too many

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zig2bee is not working because MQTT is not set yet. tHe problem is that mosquito is not working as well.

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I have installed the container vimagick/mosquitto, I have added also

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depends_on:
- homeassistant

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I have this error in mosquito container:

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1641296888: Error: Unable to open config file /etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf.

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Someone knows how to fix the issue? The file is not there

raven jewel Jan 4, 2022, 12:00 PM

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Did you set up Mosquitto as a docker container and follow all of its instructions? This sounds like a Docker/Mosquitto issue rather than a Zigbee issue

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 12:08 PM

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Yes it is I suppose, as you said. For now, The first step is to sort out the mosquito broker issue. How do you install mosquito broker on docker, in order to make it works with HA container and zig2bee? Cheers

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is this the corret way:

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 12:09 PM

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@hushed forge posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/etivobalir

raven jewel Jan 4, 2022, 12:12 PM

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Did you check the docs? https://mosquitto.org/documentation/

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And Phil (who is on the #creator-connection), has a blog post (admittedly an older one, but the principles should be the same - check the docs linked above for config, etc.): https://philhawthorne.com/setting-up-a-local-mosquitto-server-using-docker-for-mqtt-communication/

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 12:18 PM

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I have checked mosquitto.org, but I am not able to find the installation for docker. I will try with the second link thanks. HA container is a nightmare compared with supervised

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 12:20 PM

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Not really

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We can help you over in #449717345808547842

raven jewel Jan 4, 2022, 12:20 PM

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You could just use the #add-ons-archived with the right setup 😉

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 12:20 PM

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Untangling the hair of a three year old girl

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That is a nightmare

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Containers, that is just fun

raven jewel Jan 4, 2022, 12:20 PM

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jolly narwhal Untangling the hair of a three year old girl

Add some glitter to that for extra fun 😛

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 12:21 PM

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https://github.com/atxbyea/docker-compose/blob/38e90cad6eac8b81a47f5d39b741e12a4a173777/home-automation.yaml#L71

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Should get you far

golden vessel Jan 4, 2022, 12:57 PM

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yeah, that was the one I was referring to. but I was looking for someone using it as a custom router device 😄

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oh, interesting! I have not found that! Thanks

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:05 PM

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jolly narwhal Containers, that is just fun

that is also true ahahahha. I will be a dad soon, I will be able to check

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 1:22 PM

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I learned containers and ZigBee while my daughter was an infant, on top of 15 other products

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DogeWink

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Now number two is here

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You'll do fine

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:34 PM

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if everything is working fine for you, could you share your docker composer if you are using portainer? if you do not mind

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:37 PM

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He shared it already

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#zigbee-archived message

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:38 PM

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it is not working for me, there is a error for mosquito

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 1:38 PM

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Please don't say I have an error or describe an error. Share the whole actual error message so we can help you.

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:38 PM

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Deployment error
failed to deploy a stack: Removing mqtt Recreating homeassistant ... Recreating 9b73b7c9bdd1_mosquitto ... Host is already in use by another container [1A[2K Recreating 9b73b7c9bdd1_mosquitto ... [31merror[0m [1B ERROR: for 9b73b7c9bdd1_mosquitto Cannot start service mosquitto: driver failed programming external connectivity on endpoint mqtt (c0f219e6cce64e98d556ac0d163028e94f792fbb85c6e9fb9e27fe9107ef8499): Bind for 0.0.0.0:9001 failed: port is already allocated [2A[2K Recreating homeassistant ... [32mdone[0m [2BRecreating nodered ... [1A[2K Recreating nodered ... [32mdone[0m [1B ERROR: for mosquitto Cannot start service mosquitto: driver failed programming external connectivity on endpoint mqtt (c0f219e6cce64e98d556ac0d163028e94f792fbb85c6e9fb9e27fe9107ef8499): Bind for 0.0.0.0:9001 failed: port is already allocated Encountered errors while bringing up the project. : exit status 1

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:39 PM

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Dear lord...

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 1:39 PM

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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
https://paste.debian.net/ (select YAML as the language)
https://hastebin.com/ (sometimes may not allow you to save)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:39 PM

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☝️ don't force us to try to decode that mangled wall of crap

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It looks like you already have mosquitto running

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:40 PM

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but it is not true

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:40 PM

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Bind for 0.0.0.0:9001 failed: port is already allocated

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Then find what's using port 9001

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:40 PM

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I tried to change port as well

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i tried with 9003:9001

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:41 PM

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So, use a code share site to share your compose file and also to share the logs in a way we can read them

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:47 PM

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https://www.codepile.net/pile/GBkVJLEb

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:49 PM

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    depends_on:
      - homeassistant
``` 🤔

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Nope, just nope

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Neither of those depend on HA

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:51 PM

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i tried to remove but it was still the same. However if it is not correct I will remove completely

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So still the same issue

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:52 PM

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And can you use a code share site to share a readable version of those errors?

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 1:53 PM

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have you found what's using the port?

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:54 PM

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9001 is used by heimdall

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:55 PM

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sour shadow And can you use a code share site to share a readable version of those errors?

I will, for now I am delating everything and restarting from the start

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 1:55 PM

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stop heimdall and try running z2m again

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 1:56 PM

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Or don't use port 9001 for Mosquitto

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 1:57 PM

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that is weird

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 1:57 PM

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For now i am trying to do baby steps, I will restart to install z2m container once solved with mosquitto

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I am using 905

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9005

violet dagger Jan 4, 2022, 1:58 PM

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1883 too cool? unlucky number?

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:03 PM

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so i have removed the containers related with home assistant, delated the folders and reinstated again using https://www.codepile.net/pile/epbe13XD

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the messaage is ~~https://www.codepile.net/pile/1xA1wexO~~

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all the folders of mosquitto containers are empty, there are just the folders

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I checked the permission of the folder from openmediavault and there is the option write for mosquitto folder for everyone

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error: https://www.codepile.net/pile/1xA1wexO

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docker: https://www.codepile.net/pile/oBj1xvPg

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:15 PM

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Does /srv/dev-disk-by-uuid-c77bfaa4-d48a-4664-b258-bb74ed0e35ce/AppData/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf exist?

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:18 PM

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just the folder

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mosquitto\mosquitto.conf (folder)

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inside is empty

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should i try the command: docker run --name mqtt --restart=always --net=host -tid -v /volume1/docker/mqtt/config:/mqtt/config:ro -v /volume1/docker/mqtt/log:/mqtt/log -v /volume1/docker/mqtt/data/:/mqtt/data/ toke/mosquitto

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changing the folder path

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?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:20 PM

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mosquitto.conf is a file

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:21 PM

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no there is no file

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:21 PM

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mosquitto.passwd and mosquitto.conf and mosquitto.log are all files

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If you've created them as folders then yes, stuff breaks

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:22 PM

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I did nothing different form the docker compose I have received

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how can i fix the problem?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:22 PM

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Create those as files and populate them?

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:23 PM

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popolate? with what 🤯

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:23 PM

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Well, I'd go with the stuff that's supposed to be in them?

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http://www.steves-internet-guide.com/mossquitto-conf-file/

hushed forge Jan 4, 2022, 2:25 PM

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anyway I do not think this is the solution, as there is the error, the stack file is not created, and it is gray with the message limited

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:27 PM

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It is part of the solution

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 2:28 PM

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Well, I've failed miserably on connecting slae.sh's stick to zigbee2mqtt in home assistant os, now it's time to fail on running docker container!

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not sure if it's because I'm doing it in VirtualBox, but let's try :/

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:29 PM

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Should work

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If you do it right

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 2:30 PM

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jolly narwhal If you do it right

I'm sure I'm not doing it right

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:30 PM

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I'd love to help you, but I'm one handed with a sleeping baby beardmogi

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 2:30 PM

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but tutorials differ so much from my case that I'm not able to follow it

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I'll work it out

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one question only: which linux distro for docker 😄

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:31 PM

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Debian for servers

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 2:31 PM

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thanks

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:31 PM

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Debian baby, Debian always

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DogeWink

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:33 PM

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Nah, FreeBSD where you don't need Linux

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:34 PM

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You mean HP-UX when you need proper Unix

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:35 PM

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Well, since Solaris is dead to me, yes

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OG Sun hardware + Solaris was the kind of combination that would survive damn near anything

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:41 PM

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It still does

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Unfortunately

tropic depot Jan 4, 2022, 2:47 PM

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I have a SPARCstation in the basement.... isn't powered up but I am fairly certain it still works

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Heretic

tropic depot Jan 4, 2022, 2:48 PM

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lol

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 2:48 PM

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I have a rx4640 and a rx3600 plus a bl870 i2 still

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I should try to find a ds10

blissful frost Jan 4, 2022, 2:53 PM

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I'm using zigbee2mqtt w/ a conbee and the devices in my garage have extremely poor LQI values. If I add a routing device (like a plug) in between will they automatically pick up on it or do I have to manually tell them to attach to that one somehow?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:54 PM

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Depends on the devices

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Xiaomi devices usually won't change parents, for instance, others may

blissful frost Jan 4, 2022, 2:57 PM

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one is an aqara motion detector, and the other is a linkind bulb. If I plug in the zigbee plug and don't notice a difference in the LQI, would I have to reconfigure each device?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 2:58 PM

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Well, re-pair them, yes

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My motion detectors have re-routed, so it can happen, it just usually doesn't

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The bulb most likely will re-route

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:06 PM

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Hey guys! I’ve bought some cheap zigbee device but can’t get them included, and no log shown by the integration, I use the popp zb usb on a pi4 running the latest home assistant, what should I check first ?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:06 PM

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ZHA?
Zigbee2MQTT?
deCONZ?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:07 PM

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Zha

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Basic one

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:07 PM

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And what are those "cheap zigbee devices"?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:07 PM

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And the device are this one : Capteur d'humidité de température intelligent eMylo Zigbee, contrôle automatique de l'application WiFi avec écran LCD Thermomètre numérique sans https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B08VJ2HJHT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_MyCRm8XFcmCUw

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“French inside”

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eMylo product, the product looks good but I think it’s a waste of money ^^

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:09 PM

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Looks to be https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0201.html

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How far away is the nearest Zigbee router/the coordinator and what's in the way?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:09 PM

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Direct way, I try to join it near the usb

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:10 PM

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How near?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:10 PM

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Less than 1 m

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:10 PM

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That should be fine

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Have you joined other devices before?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:10 PM

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Nope, not yet,

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Brand new home

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 3:11 PM

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Och my god, i think my dongle works under VM!

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:11 PM

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Ok, usual things then:

What stick?
Did you check for a clear channel?
Did you put the stick on a USB extension cable?

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:12 PM

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Popp ZB : Popp Clé ZB (Zigbee). https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B08Q5T1NX4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_ryosKYBLtwSvf

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What do you mean ?
Nope, direct on the pi4 on usb3 port

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:12 PM

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ouch

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pins

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:13 PM

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3, ouch ?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:13 PM

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#zigbee-archived message

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:13 PM

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I need a cable to make it far for it ?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:13 PM

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#zigbee-archived message

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#zigbee-archived message

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Read those three pins in particular

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:14 PM

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Thanks

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Maybe the wifi network is to close also, I’ve one of my Ap in the same closet

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 3:15 PM

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Well, I think zigbee2mqtt works!

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I mean, it has opened finally under my straight-out-hell VM

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Zha is stable enough for light purpose ? My wife was pretty upset of light stuff in the past while using jeedom

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Stable, yes

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It's part of HA, so it's as stable as your HA install

devout sphinx Jan 4, 2022, 3:17 PM

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I’ve dozen of ikea bulb

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Wish to remove extra gateway 😅

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Omg it’s works

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Thanks @sour shadow !

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 3:58 PM

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outer plaza I mean, it has opened finally under my straight-out-hell VM

So like most POCs it will become a production system then

real magnet Jan 4, 2022, 4:26 PM

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So I am currently looking to get more smart tech, most of my stuff (plugs / lights…. Etc) are stand alone their not zigbee stuff but I am looking for some window and door sensors as well as some temperature sensors for some rooms and they all seem to be zigbee
The issue that I have I don’t have a zigbee hub do I NEED NEED to have one of these to control zigbee stuff and if so is it with it seing as most of my other stuff isn’t zigbee?

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 4:58 PM

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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 5:36 PM

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The Zigbee hub/coordinator provides the Zigbee radio. No radio, no Zigbee

molten linden Jan 4, 2022, 5:40 PM

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PSA.. I'm running low on some components (antennas and pigtails, PLA+ in popular colors) and my orders to restock haven't arrived yet. So back to the waiting list for most things for a week - 10 days.

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 5:42 PM

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This is an outrage

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I still love you

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goaFeelsLoveMan

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 5:45 PM

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Hi. I need (want) a zigbee device to control my garage doors. I need a zigbee relay capable of outputing 24V but having a hard time finding something. What do people here use for similar needs? I am looking for a simple solution, not looking to program my own Arduino or similar.

I found this but not entirely sure if this does what I expect it to.
SEK 35.65 40%OFF | DC 12V 24V Zigbee Relay Module Tuya Home Control Bridge Automatisering Module eWelink WiFi Smart Switch 433 RF Remote Receiver
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msig5k0

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 5:48 PM

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Does it actually need a 24v signal or just shorting of pins?

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 5:51 PM

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I am not sure entirely. There currently is a button sending a 24V signal to start opening or closing the doors

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:17 PM

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Is the Aqara E1 a proper Zigbee Hub that can coordinate other zigbee devices? I want to use this as a secondary ZHA coordinator in my basement where I have 8 sengled smart bulbs and a sengled led strip (all zigbee). Right now, my Zigbee coordinator (Raspbee II) is installed on the same RPi 4 running HASS OS, 2 floors away from the 8 lights, and I am seeing scenes be applied unreliably - Rarely do all my lights change the to desired state.

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so I thought of adding a secondary zigbee router/coordinator (are those the same) in the basement to relieve the distance issue

ivory hound Jan 4, 2022, 6:18 PM

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@shrewd crypt ahahaha

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genius

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:18 PM

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Sengled bulbs don't act as Zigbee routers (unlike every other bulb) so your network likely has just the range of your Raspbee II

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You can't use a second coordinator but you can install normal Zigbee routers (i.e. any other brand of light bulb)

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Router != coordinator

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(there's a pinned message on Zigbee basics)

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Also, if you're trying to turn on/off multiple lights at the same time then using Zigbee groups may help

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:21 PM

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am using groups...

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that appeared to solve my problem initially, but slowly but surely I started to see lights not changing as I expected.

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is it "better" (faster, more reliable) to toggle the group directly, use a scene that incorporates the groups, or something else eg automation or script

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Toggling the lights individually with a light group is more reliable than using a Zigbee group

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But your problem likely stems from your network just not having any routers to relay the group broadcasts

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 6:24 PM

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jolly narwhal So like most POCs it will become a production system then

Never! It's real poc, run on my work's pc. Just to check hardware and prove a point. I swear It's only temporary!

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 6:25 PM

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austere patio Toggling the lights individually with a light group is more reliable than using ...

Funny, I found the opposite. A Zigbee group has been 100% reliable, trying to turn on/off multiple lights at once individually/with any form of HA group is 100% unreliable

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Yeah, I exclusively use ZigBee groups

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Definitely more responsive

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Well group commands have no ACKs so you'll never know that it has been received unless the light also implements attribute reporting and your integration uses those to confirm

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 6:26 PM

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By the way, do dimmers make clicky sound like relays?

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:26 PM

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If you're toggling two or three lights, unicast works fine. If you're doing 20 bulbs in a room, a group will be better

lilac wharf Jan 4, 2022, 6:26 PM

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outer plaza By the way, do dimmers make clicky sound like relays?

If they have a relay, then yes

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:26 PM

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I toggle anything from 3 to 17 lights in ZigBee groups

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:26 PM

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All of this assumes that your network has enough routers to actually make the group broadcasts "work"

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Most of my devices are directly connected to the coordinator ablobjoy

outer plaza Jan 4, 2022, 6:27 PM

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lilac wharf If they have a relay, then yes

How to check it?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:27 PM

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But I only have 80+ routers Pepewhy

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:28 PM

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@shrewd crypt seems to have just one router (if the sengled led strip acts as one)

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:28 PM

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That sounds like a bad time

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:30 PM

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the Visualization looks like I have more than 1 (but I can't paste a picture)

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 6:30 PM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I have a couple hue bulbs installed elsewhere, hue SML sensor and some Sonoff SZNB-03s

mellow geode Jan 4, 2022, 6:31 PM

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austere patio Well group commands have no ACKs so you'll never know that it has been received ...

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/6af99882c5de5ee38051d94fc21b781ba0b72ae2/homeassistant/components/zha/light.py#L592-L597
Lights should also be polled when turning on/off a Zigbee group

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:31 PM

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Come to think of it, the performance in the basement got worse after I replaced the two Hue bulbs with sengleds (the hue bulbs were flashing sporadically for 2-3 minutes after turning on)

austere patio Jan 4, 2022, 6:32 PM

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mellow geode https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/6af99882c5de5ee38051d94fc21b781ba0b7...

Ah, nice

lilac wharf Jan 4, 2022, 6:32 PM

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shrewd crypt Come to think of it, the performance in the basement got worse after I replaced ...

Probably because sengled bulbs don't act as routers

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:33 PM

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seems like if I find a home for my hue bulbs somewhere between the Raspbee and the basement it would help

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:36 PM

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More routers, always

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:37 PM

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are there some devices that only act as routers?

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nm, zigbee.blakadder.com strikes again

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:37 PM

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Yes

lilac wharf Jan 4, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Sure, Ikea zigbee repeater for one, or a zigbee stick flashed with router firmware

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 6:38 PM

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where can I learn more about zigbee sticks and flashing?

lilac wharf Jan 4, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Most of my routers are just smart plugs plugged in certain (hidden) locations

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:39 PM

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Secret

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goaMonkaShhh

feral rivet Jan 4, 2022, 6:54 PM

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Anybody using EnOcean PTM 215Z based buttons with zigbee2mqtt?

lyric vortex Jan 4, 2022, 7:08 PM

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I did see the pinned message, but I want to double check that the ConBee 2 Zigbee Gateway is a solid choice as a first gateway?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 7:13 PM

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Maybe, maybe not

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 4, 2022, 7:13 PM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

lyric vortex Jan 4, 2022, 7:13 PM

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mindblown ponder

feral rivet Jan 4, 2022, 7:13 PM

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Yes depends. Conbee did not play well for me, so i went for the Sonoff USB 3.0

lyric vortex Jan 4, 2022, 7:15 PM

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I see… So the problems persist. I was hoping that most of the problems had been sorted out, since I liked the look of the ConBee 2.

lyric vortex Jan 4, 2022, 7:16 PM

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feral rivet Yes depends. Conbee did not play well for me, so i went for the Sonoff USB 3.0

How has the Sonoff USB 3.0 been working for you?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 7:16 PM

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Results with ZHA seem to be somewhat better than results with Z2M, but still, mixed

lyric vortex Jan 4, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I’ll just go with the Sonoff USB 3.0 then. Allot of their devices are being sold where I live…

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Thanks for the help!

shrewd crypt Jan 4, 2022, 7:23 PM

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is there a good resource that shows whether a device can function as a zigbee router?

sour shadow Jan 4, 2022, 7:45 PM

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No, because it's up to the manufacturers what they do

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Generally speaking if it's mains powered it is a router, unless:

It's a Sengled bulb
It's a no-neutral switch or dimmer

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Zigbee is cheap because it's a "standard", unlike Z-Wave which is relatively expensive

slate leaf Jan 4, 2022, 7:54 PM

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Hi all, I've got a question about ZHA quirk ts0601_trv_sas.py . Is there a way how to implement to it local_temperature_calibration ? My TRV supports this function, I've checked that using ZIGBEE2MQTT, but this function is not available in ZHA. Unfortunately my programming skills are not good enough, so I can't do that by myself.

dreamy eagle Jan 4, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Hello, Everyone. I'm hoping someone has run across my situation before... I'm running HA OS in a VirtualBox VM. The host is Win10. I have been trying for a week, now, to pass my Conbee II stick to the VM. Nothing seems to work.

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I'm able to see the conbee II on the host machine, as COM1. I've checked to make sure the COM1 port is open and not in use. I've tried all of the ports that are unused to no avail. I've tried getting the VM to recognize the Conbee via ZHA. I always get a "failed to connect" message. I tried deCONZ, but I've been unable to find, in the deCONZ docs, what values to provide to the dialogue box that request "HOST" and "PORT". I've tried copying the /dev/by-id string through to the "HARDWARE" menu in HA. The problem seems to be the initial pass-through. When I stop the VM, assign the stick to the VM, then restart and try to check the VM for the Conbee II, I always get a "Failed to attach" message from the VM. Does anyone have any idea what I should try?

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 8:29 PM

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That sounds like you are trying to use deconz integration to connect to a stick

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Which would rather be the deconz add-on

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You also have to remove ZHA before doing that

dreamy eagle Jan 4, 2022, 8:35 PM

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@jolly narwhal I haven't had an occation to run both ZHA and deCONZ, cuz I couldn't get either one to "see" the Zigbee radio. That is, I tried each separately, but was unable to get either one to install. Sorry I wasn't explicit. My fault.

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 8:46 PM

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Well, does the deconz software find it on windows?

primal blade Jan 4, 2022, 11:35 PM

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anyone here have the centralite thermostat worjing with HA? I tried setting it up by adding it via the zigbee integration but the thermostat still has E0 in the display even after I seperated and re-attached the screen which according to the manual means it still needs to be connected. Will this not work with a zigbee stick and HA? Does it need a proprietary network?

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https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Centralite_3000-G.html this is the device.

nova flint Jan 5, 2022, 12:00 AM

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Possibly a stupid question, but here goes 😄
If I keep my hue bulbs linked to my hue bridge, do they still act as routers for other devices linked to zigbee2mqtt? 😄

lilac wharf Jan 5, 2022, 12:03 AM

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nope

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they're separate zigbee networks

nova flint Jan 5, 2022, 12:28 AM

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Yeah, I was afraid of that 😦 Wife's excessively fond of the Hue app, but them acting as routers is going to be the only way to get my soon-to-arrive blind motors hooked up to the master bedroom, unless I buy some exclusive router devices to place in between.
Not really a device number limitation, but rather a distance one (bedroom light doesn't work from the app if entrance light is powered off :D)

crude otter Jan 5, 2022, 12:29 AM

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i put random IKEA Signal Repeaters around the house

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they seem to work

nova flint Jan 5, 2022, 12:34 AM

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Wait. Would this work?
Link all the lights to zigbee2mqtt. Expose those lights to diyHue. Reconfigure the app on her phone to work with that instead?

eternal pawn Jan 5, 2022, 1:56 AM

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Whats the name of these repeaters from ikea @wishie

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@crude otter

crude otter Jan 5, 2022, 2:50 AM

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Tradfri Signal Repeater

royal star Jan 5, 2022, 3:06 AM

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The ewe link smart plugs are also excellent cheap repeaters

scenic wren Jan 5, 2022, 3:09 AM

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does anybody know what that error means:

Source: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/zigpy/zcl/__init__.py:95
First occurred: 4. Januar 2022, 08:04:58 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 4. Januar 2022, 08:04:58

Unknown cluster 61184```

primal blade Jan 5, 2022, 3:24 AM

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scenic wren does anybody know what that error means: ```Logger: zigpy.zcl Source: /usr/local...

is it a tuya siren?

swift totem Jan 5, 2022, 3:50 AM

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I am new to HA especially when it come to debug/troubleshooting. I am using deCONZ with ConBeeII, all was good over the last 8 months, all the sudden HA bellied up, and I ended up with a fresh HA install on RaspberryPi 4. Now I can see the ConBeeII, but unable to pair any of my devices (mostly Aqara). Can some one help me dubug. Point me to where to get logs, etc... so I can provide more information

slim rampart Jan 5, 2022, 5:20 AM

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Hi, I am having issue where one of my insteon switches is showing up in home assitant. I tried reconnecting insteon but that did not work. If anyone could help we with this issue that would be great. 🙂

oak isle Jan 5, 2022, 5:29 AM

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Do I need zigbee or z wave if I’m running home assistant? I bought the USB stick that’s capable of both but I’m mainly running Amazon devices, ADT, lg dryer washer, I robot, etc

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I plan on using Lovelace as the UI

jagged zephyr Jan 5, 2022, 5:46 AM

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Anyone familiar with a three way switch which does not require a neutral? Zigbee or zwave really.

azure tinsel Jan 5, 2022, 7:08 AM

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I ordered 8 blitzwolf BW-SHP15 plugs and when trying to add them to z2mqtt realise i should have gotten the BW-SHP13 because the 15 isnt supported. I managed to add them and write an external converter but what i read about this is that the plug has a problem reporting its power. Does someone have these plugs and succesfully implemented it including the power measurement? so far i found this page: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/powerplug-ts011f-meter-functionality-missing/312675/28 The external converter eduardo posted there does work but below that he posts that a line off code needs to be added to get the kwh out of this plug. but im not sure where to put that...
await endpoint.read('seMetering', ['currentSummDelivered']);
its this line of code

ivory hound Jan 5, 2022, 7:18 AM

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@azure tinselyou can add it yourself

azure tinsel Jan 5, 2022, 7:19 AM

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yes i know but where

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Oh i think i know where. below the other "await" line?

south barn Jan 5, 2022, 7:24 AM

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are there any plugin zigbee multi-sensors? something like the homeseer HSM200(zwave)?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:17 AM

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Hi, I use MOES TS0601 (Zigbee) and Conbee 2. I managed to pair them but after 2-3 days they stop responding to the climate entity from HA

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has anyone had the same? how did he deal with it?

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same problem with nodered controlling this valves

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:18 AM

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Well, is your mesh strong?

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Lots of routers? Good coverage?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:19 AM

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one of them in start was 190+

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:19 AM

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Lqi can be ignored

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Mostly

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:19 AM

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now zigbee2mqtt shows 50

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and 255,231,175,255 in other valves

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:20 AM

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So, horrible

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:20 AM

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only one router here

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:20 AM

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That is probably your issue

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Add routers

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:20 AM

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but none of them work

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255,231,175 too

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and range from router to valve is 5meters with 1 corner-wall

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:21 AM

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Add routers

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:23 AM

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255 is either this signal is perfect or what signal

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Also, did you remember to check for interference/keep Zigbee clear of WiFi?

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Did you put the Zigbee coordinator on a USB (2.0) extension cable?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:24 AM

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wifi router is near zigbee coordinator +/- 1,5m

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yes extension cable 1m

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:25 AM

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That's physical separation, what about channels?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 8:26 AM

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what do you mean?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:26 AM

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Have you found the pinned messages?

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#zigbee-archived message
#zigbee-archived message
#zigbee-archived message

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:39 AM

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Morning from Europe everyone!

I have a bunch of xiaomi aquara sensors not updating frequently using zigbee2mqtt.
How do you solve this?

Is there a way to use sensors last_changed or last_updated data in cards?
I think I should set them as extra sensors in my config, but is a lot of manual work and I'm lazy.
I would use a gauge card for example with the last_updated time (converted in hours or minutes) directly.
I can have a wall of gauge cards and have an idea of what is the global state of my sensors.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:40 AM

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What sensors? How frequently?

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They won't update unless there has been a change worth mentioning

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:42 AM

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But generally speaking if they're healthy they'll check in at least hourly

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:43 AM

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jolly narwhal What sensors? How frequently?

temp/humidity , water leak.

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ah sorry, talking about days delay

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:44 AM

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What

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:44 AM

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jolly narwhal They won't update unless there has been a change worth mentioning

right, I know

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:44 AM

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Then you either have a poor mesh, or they are connected to devices you turn off physically

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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jolly narwhal Then you either have a poor mesh, or they are connected to devices you turn off ...

could be, but aquara is know for this problem.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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I have 40 aqara sensors

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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jolly narwhal Then you either have a poor mesh, or they are connected to devices you turn off ...

I did check those conditgion two obviously

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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They never miss more than 1h

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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good for you!

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what about the second question? any idea? is doable?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:45 AM

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This is a problem on your end

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You should rather fix that

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:46 AM

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jolly narwhal You should rather fix that

I know, that's why I'm here

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:46 AM

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How many routers do you have?
Do you power off any?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:46 AM

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Did you check the pinned message on Aqara?

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I have zero issues with my 40+ Aqara devices, but I do have routers they don't hate and I have plenty of routers

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:49 AM

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jolly narwhal 1. How many routers do you have? 2. Do you power off any?

at lest 8 routers / 25 devices in total
2 bulbs are frequently operated by family, but I have enough routers in this room to take care of this. The coordinator is in the same room anyway.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:50 AM

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If any aqara sensors are attached to said two bulbs

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They will never behave properly

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:50 AM

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this

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:50 AM

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Doesn't matter where the coordinator is either

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:51 AM

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You'll need to ensure that the Aqara devices are joined via a router that's always on/behaves with Aqara or that they've joined directly to the coordinator

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If you're turning stuff off then of course things will break

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:51 AM

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jolly narwhal If any aqara sensors are attached to said two bulbs

true, I know

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:51 AM

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Then

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Are they?

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:51 AM

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sour shadow If you're turning stuff off then _of course things will break_

as I wrote they are "frequently operated by family" , I;m well aware of those.
BUT the sensor not behaving are not in the same room anyway.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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Doesn't matter

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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jolly narwhal Are they?

nope

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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They can be connected to any router that was available

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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jolly narwhal Doesn't matter

?

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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jolly narwhal They can be connected to any router that was available

exactly

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:52 AM

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Stop fucking pinging

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We are here

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Also, you apparently don't know all of this, then you wouldn't have these issues

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And you haven't given any usable information

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:53 AM

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no, sorry , pinging?

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I'm just answering

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:53 AM

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pulsar ore no, sorry , pinging?

Yes

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@pulsar ore ping

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:53 AM

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pulsar ore no, sorry , pinging?

Pong

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:54 AM

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jolly narwhal And you haven't given any usable information

I'm not used to this server, sorry if I misbehave really

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:54 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398945876074299402/859322928473702470/discord-reply-off.gif

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Simple Discord manners to ~~send the developers of that feature hate mail~~ turn that off when it's a back and fore

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:55 AM

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And when we are the only people here

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There is no need to reply to

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:55 AM

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You need to graph your mesh, see how they're connected. You also need to read the pinned messages

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:55 AM

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sorry, I'm used to direct reply people to have a clear discussion

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sorry to bother, really

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:56 AM

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I'm gonna guess you have poor routers, end devices connected to powered off devices and or bad firmware

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:56 AM

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I did, I mention I'm using zigbee2mqtt , which sensors (aquara) , hom may routers , how many devices.

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did i miss something?

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ok

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:56 AM

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What routers?

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But yeah, a network map will help

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:57 AM

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jolly narwhal I'm gonna guess you have poor routers, end devices connected to powered off devi...

mostly plugs, that are always on.

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wait

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:57 AM

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goaFeelsLoveMan

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What plugs?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:58 AM

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"Plugs" ... as if there's a single one of those for entire planet

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 8:58 AM

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you're right, there are at least 10 (binary) :-D

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uhm I cannot upload images here....

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 5, 2022, 8:59 AM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:00 AM

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jolly narwhal What plugs?

Routers :

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:01 AM

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So all of those should work fine as routers

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Afaik

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:01 AM

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yep

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at least, I see they and read around they work fine

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:01 AM

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But you need to find out what your sensors are actually paired to

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That will be the map

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:02 AM

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I have it here, but strangely I cannot upload images in this channel

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 5, 2022, 9:02 AM

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@pulsar ore Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:03 AM

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TIL that bot messages are invisible

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:03 AM

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yes, they are

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:05 AM

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jolly narwhal That will be the map

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pbcJXs0VjNzuLyiSe8FCFlGuFLmHRG1R/view?usp=sharing

red crossed devices are old stuff not there anymore.
those aquara without any connection to the mesh do commuinicate fine! this is strange....

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:06 AM

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So a lot of your devices are paired directly with the coordinator

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What coordinator is it?

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:06 AM

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yep

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:06 AM

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Don't say Conbee

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:06 AM

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nope :-D

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one moment, let me find it

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:07 AM

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Don't say cc2531

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:07 AM

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It'll be a ZBBridge ablobjoy

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:07 AM

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jolly narwhal Don't say cc2531

I had one , I know it is bad

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nope it is a CC2652

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:08 AM

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Then you should be fine

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:08 AM

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ah sorry for pinging

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yeah, it is a nice one

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:08 AM

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I would upgrade the firmware of the stick, and repair the troublesome devices to a known good always powered router

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:08 AM

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are the CC2531 ate least ok as router? I can reflash them

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:08 AM

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I think zigbee2mqtt support that now

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Yes cc2531 are fine as routers

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:09 AM

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jolly narwhal I would upgrade the firmware of the stick, and repair the troublesome devices to...

uhm right, the stick was never updated

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:09 AM

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Then do that

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:09 AM

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jolly narwhal I think zigbee2mqtt support that now

you mean flashing the stick via z2m ?

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:10 AM

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jolly narwhal Then do that

I'll try it, thanks

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:10 AM

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Not via z2m, but via a Linux / windows machine

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:10 AM

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I think one can check the stack on the stick from the log in z2m?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:10 AM

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Yes

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Settings / about

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:10 AM

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jolly narwhal Not via z2m, but via a Linux / windows machine

this is totally fine

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thanks guys

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:11 AM

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Coordinator revision

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Is the firmware

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:11 AM

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Coordinator type zStack3x0
Coordinator revision 20201026

not bad as I tought

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uhm do I have to re-pair after flash?

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I rememebr it shouldn't be necessary in some cases

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:13 AM

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No

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:13 AM

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nice

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:13 AM

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Yeah that is old

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:13 AM

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well, my last flashing action was over 2 years ago at least

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ok thanks guys

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:14 AM

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It's a good start to get a good baseline

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Fresh firmware, repair of troublesome devices

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:15 AM

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the stick creator has a nice guide (electrolama) https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/flash-cc-bsl/

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somehow I totally forgot to update the firmware on the stick

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:15 AM

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Most do

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Mine is still running February 2021

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But I don't have any issues

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:15 AM

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There's some dev firmware, 202111xx, that fixes a bunch of issues

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Oh, cool, as of a few days ago that's now final

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:16 AM

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Noice

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So time to upgrade

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:16 AM

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really?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:16 AM

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Z-Stack_Home_3.x.0_20211217

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:16 AM

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I prefer to wait a little to see if community start to curse new bugs before updating

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:16 AM

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Well, folks have been running that for a while now

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Z-Stack_3.x.0_20220103 is the new dev

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:17 AM

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nice

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ok, another bullet to the "infinite to do" list

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:17 AM

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CatJAM

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:18 AM

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ok, I just realized there is not 1 pinned message 😱

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nor 2

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 9:18 AM

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oooh 2022 firmware

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:19 AM

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last question , electrolama website says

ℹ️ Please note that if you are a zigpy/ZHA user, you might want to take a backup of your NVRAM data before updating your stick. Information on this can be found on the zigpy-znp documentation.

this shouldn't be needed for z2m , I think

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:19 AM

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I've never done it

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:19 AM

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No, it does that automatically

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:20 AM

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I remeber z2m store the state somewhere else

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ah nice

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:20 AM

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Am I daring enough to update my coordinator firmware via mobile with a baby sleeping on top of me

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atx

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Eh, I'll wait for tubes coordinator to arrive, it was shipped yesterday

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:21 AM

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jolly narwhal Am I daring enough to update my coordinator firmware via mobile with a baby slee...

same here, but I'm working now (Europe time), I put the baby in bed for now.
it is "only" working, chatting and screaming.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:21 AM

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beardmogi

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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tube coordinator? what's that?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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CC2652 based

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Click the link

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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ah sorry

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which link? ( I look like an idiot today)

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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I ordered the tube Poe coordinator a few days ago so I can get rid of my raspberry pi

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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www.tubeszb.com

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:22 AM

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Yes

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:23 AM

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jolly narwhal I ordered the tube Poe coordinator a few days ago so I can get rid of my raspber...

I have HA on a rpi4 + external HDD and the coordinator attached to it, it is nice and compact and not that hot

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:24 AM

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jolly narwhal I ordered the tube Poe coordinator a few days ago so I can get rid of my raspber...

where do you run HA ?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:24 AM

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Sometimes on a mini itx system, sometimes on a r510, sometimes both

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:26 AM

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"sometimes"? do you switch often?

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ok, I would like to chat about zigbee all day, must go.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:26 AM

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If I need to yes

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:26 AM

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have a nice day/evening/night

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right

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:26 AM

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I can failover when doing maintenance

pulsar ore Jan 5, 2022, 9:26 AM

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ah that's nice

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I cannot

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but a backup is nice

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I will be back with stupid questions and bad manners soon :-D

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 9:28 AM

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PU_PeepoLeaveExit

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 10:16 AM

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if i have a shelly1 connected behind a wallswitch. can i make the other lights in the room dim down if if light the cieling light with the wallswitch ?

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yes they are smart bulbs from ikea

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 10:17 AM

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you can

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 10:17 AM

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and vice versa ofcourse

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 10:17 AM

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just make an automation when shelly1 is off to dim the ikea bulbs

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

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on*

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

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whatever

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

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a bit trickier in node red i guess

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

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its supposed to be easier in nodered but i wouldn't know

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 10:19 AM

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#node-red-archived would know

azure tinsel Jan 5, 2022, 10:41 AM

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I suppose everything is easy if you know what to do. When i just started with home assistant, everything i added took atleast 2 days to configure or even get it to work. nowadays most things i buy take 10 minutes to install and add in HA. Its funny how much i learned in the 2 years i come here and use HA.

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At this moment my HA writes over 1 million events in 5 days in the database. I wonder how much that will be in another 2 years

craggy kindle Jan 5, 2022, 10:49 AM

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I need help trying to figure one thing out. I have a conbee 2 (latest firmware) and use deconz. I have a bunch of devices connected and everything is working fine with them. Now i'm trying to add a Aqara mini switch (WXKG11LM) in the Phoscon UI but no matter what i try it won't show up. But if i check in deconz vnc the device is in the "map" and i can see that it reacting when i push the button. I have tried to "remove node" in deconz and add again but same result every time. Any ideas?

raven falcon Jan 5, 2022, 11:04 AM

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Hi. Can someone explain me the difference of the versions please ?I have updated all and all have the same date, however I now have two different versions and no new update is available. I'm using zigbee2mqtt.

IKEA LED1903C5/LED1835C6 20190312 2.1.022
IKEA LED1903C5/LED1835C6 20190312 2.3.087
IKEA LED1903C5/LED1835C6 20190312 2.3.087
IKEA LED1903C5/LED1835C6 20190312 2.3.087
IKEA LED1903C5/LED1835C6 20190312 2.1.022

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 11:39 AM

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That looks like a failed report

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As the date is the same in all

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So either the date is wrong

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Or the version

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I only have one of those bulbs, but it reports

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Firmware build date
20190312
Firmware version
2.3.050

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WhiteGuyBlinking

dark mesa Jan 5, 2022, 12:07 PM

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Hi! I'm new to HA and everything it entails. I'm currently using ZHA with a Conbee II and I have a device that i need to update its ZHA Quirk. I have found the Github page that has all the custom quirks (and the quirk i need for said device) but it's unclear to me how i implement these quirks. Can anyone advise me how i do it (in noob terms)? TIA!

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:08 PM

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do you have python programming knowledge?

dark mesa Jan 5, 2022, 12:09 PM

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I do not unfortunately. I did some programming at uni a few years back but not python unfortunately.

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:09 PM

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then adding a quirk would be very difficult for you

dark mesa Jan 5, 2022, 12:10 PM

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ah! i dont suppose you know of guides i can follow?

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Need to learn somehow i suppose

red vine Jan 5, 2022, 12:11 PM

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craggy kindle I need help trying to figure one thing out. I have a conbee 2 (latest firmware) ...

Hi, haven't heard of that problem before. But you can always ask it on the deconz discord server. https://discord.gg/AhkDV6vf

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:12 PM

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hey guys , any advice on a good motion sensor with good battery life? going to be used frequently

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:13 PM

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https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Develco_MOSZB-140.html

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 12:14 PM

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I have one of those, it's damned large, but really nice

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:14 PM

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battery life goooood

vestal atlas Jan 5, 2022, 12:14 PM

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The hue one is the gold standard

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:15 PM

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violet dagger battery life goooood

can i configure motion detection delay for lower then 12 seconds?

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:16 PM

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it has configurable delays but i don't know which ones

vestal atlas Jan 5, 2022, 12:16 PM

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ah, for battery. Not sure, but hue takes 2 AAA so I bet its good. Have only had mine for a year so cannot tell yet 😅

craggy kindle Jan 5, 2022, 12:16 PM

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@red vine Thanks, i'll try there 🙂

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:17 PM

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vestal atlas ah, for battery. Not sure, but hue takes 2 AAA so I bet its good. Have only had ...

yeah it seems good except the price

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150$ for 3 sensors ...

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:18 PM

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gold standard in so many ways

vestal atlas Jan 5, 2022, 12:19 PM

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They are 30e each in europe, are you looking at the outdoor one?

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:19 PM

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indoor

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 12:19 PM

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Aqara

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DogeWink

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:20 PM

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cr battary ?

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does it hold up vs 2-3 aaa?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 12:20 PM

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From a usability perspective I prefer the Develco one, but it is freekin huge

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 12:20 PM

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2-3 years so far for me

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Even with the 1s hack on one of them

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:20 PM

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sour shadow From a usability perspective I prefer the Develco one, but it is freekin huge

im okay with it going to be under a bath closet so no1 sees it anyway

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:21 PM

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mine lasted under a year with the hack

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 12:21 PM

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So far 1.5 years for the hacked one

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It's in my office

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So it sees a lot of motion

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 12:21 PM

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or does it...

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 12:21 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/power-nap-boss-baby-sleep-wake-up-nap-gif-19519554

covert matrix Jan 5, 2022, 12:22 PM

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vestal atlas They are 30e each in europe, are you looking at the outdoor one?

$39.95 in amazon

raven falcon Jan 5, 2022, 1:02 PM

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@jolly narwhal Thanks for your estimation. I will try to repair one of the "outdated" bulbs. Maybe this helps. Interesting that your firmware has the same date.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 1:02 PM

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Although mine has yet another variation of firmware

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:06 PM

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How can i change cc2531 from coordinator to repeater?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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Flash the router firmware on them

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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sour shadow Flash the router firmware on them

Ye that i know 😄

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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Then... why did you ask?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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it is possible to do that with usb ?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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Wut?

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:11 PM

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i found this https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/flashing/flashing_the_cc2531.html

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:12 PM

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Yes

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It has a link at the top to other ways of flashing it

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:13 PM

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i am blind - sorry

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:13 PM

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Lots of people miss links in articles, it's pretty normal

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:14 PM

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thanks for patience:)

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anyway what do you think cc2531 will be good repeater?

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i have 59m2 flat and problem with communication with moes ts0601 on conbee 2

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:15 PM

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Yeah, it's fine for that

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:15 PM

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xiaomi clicks, aquara water leak sensor works properly

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only moes

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okay, so ill try do that with rpi flashing

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thanks for help

molten linden Jan 5, 2022, 2:21 PM

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jolly narwhal Eh, I'll wait for tubes coordinator to arrive, it was shipped yesterday

I started flashing 20211217 at the beginning of the year so should be good to go when you get it unless that new dev version moves quickly.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 2:22 PM

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🥳 🥳 🥳

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:23 PM

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sour shadow Yeah, it's fine for that

One more question: what do you think about change channel in zigbee2mqtt (conbee 2) actually is 11? Thats my wifi 2,4gh statistic https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvKImT5OWWfxmaN8nsxPro0aKLj0MQ?e=STV7gs

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

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Well, Zigbee channel 11 is generally a really bad choice

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

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which one i should set?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

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🤔

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

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Ravandlil24 is mine wifi

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

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#zigbee-archived message

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You are however screwed thanks to the assholes with the 40 MHz channels

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:28 PM

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how i could do this in ha-core?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 2:29 PM

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You need to change the frequency in your zigbee2mqtt installation

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And then repair all devices

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But again, get more routers

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:30 PM

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frequency = channel?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 2:30 PM

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Yes

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:30 PM

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jolly narwhal But again, get more routers

ye ye i bought 3 zigbee lights

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and ill make cc2531 to router later

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:30 PM

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jolly narwhal Yes

that i am trying to do but which one channel will be better?

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i have this #zigbee-archived message but how i can use it on ha supervised? i have got "-bash: docker: command not found
"

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 2:33 PM

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If you are running #330944238910963714 you should already be a Linux and docker expert right?

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DogeWink

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:33 PM

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jolly narwhal If you are running <#330944238910963714> you should already be a Linux and docke...

I'm learning 🙂

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 2:33 PM

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Then that is not the right install method

sullen thunder Jan 5, 2022, 2:35 PM

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You probably have right but i have big one installation now so I don't really want to step back

slate leaf Jan 5, 2022, 2:42 PM

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Hi all, I've got a question about ZHA quirk ts0601_trv_sas.py . Is there a way how to implement to it local_temperature_calibration ? My TRV supports this function, I've checked that using ZIGBEE2MQTT, but this function is not available in ZHA. Unfortunately my programming skills are not good enough, so I can't do that by myself.

unkempt bough Jan 5, 2022, 3:23 PM

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I'm trying to set up a zigbee motion sensor outside, and it's looking like it's too far from the rest of my network to stay reliably joined. I know the typical recommendation is "get some plugs to use as repeaters!", but is there some kind of intentional repeater I could get with a directional antenna?

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 3:29 PM

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Yes, a cc2531 or 2652 been be used

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But how far are we talking?

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#zigbee-archived message

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These are my measurements with regular bulbs

unkempt bough Jan 5, 2022, 3:35 PM

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Hah, looks like we're doing the same thing, mailbox monitoring. Looks like ~17.5m away from the nearest device, but the devices are all inside concrete block.

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To get better signal outside I could probably set up a plug on an outside outlet, but It'd be ~20m away from the nearest external outlet.

violet dagger Jan 5, 2022, 3:37 PM

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slate leaf Hi all, I've got a question about ZHA quirk ts0601_trv_sas.py . Is there a way h...

Paying someone with skills would do it

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 3:53 PM

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unkempt bough Hah, looks like we're doing the same thing, mailbox monitoring. Looks like ~17.5...

That is why my outdoor lights are tradfri

real magnet Jan 5, 2022, 4:11 PM

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Okay so I have ordered a few temperature sensors and that for the house as well as a few window sensors from eBay but now I need a hub but searching eBay there seem to be loads of different ones? May be a stupid question but what is the best one to get/ what’s the bloody difference 😂🤦‍♂️ #noobquestions

mighty river Jan 5, 2022, 4:16 PM

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Hello, I hope that some one would be able to help me, I have bought a Aqara Roller Shade Driver E1 and I have added it to deconz, deconz sees is as a dimmable light, I have changed the DDF in bing a blind motor, and in deconz i get the motor to work correcty. however the issue is that phoscon keeps seeing that it is a dimmable light, and thus Home Assistent gives it the wrong domain of light instead of cover. what can I do to get this correct, my thought would be to change the "type" in phoscon, but it seems there is no option to do these changes, any other suggestions?

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 5, 2022, 4:16 PM

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@real magnet Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

primal blade Jan 5, 2022, 4:18 PM

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Anyone with a centralite thermostat, did you need to do anything special to clear the E0 from the display? I am connected to zigbee network and did a reset after and still get this on my display indicating it is in original factory mode.
@oak pike

mighty river Jan 5, 2022, 4:18 PM

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Hey! New guy here, probably missing something very basic: Zigbee2MQTT with a remote and a few switchabel devices (light, outlet, ..).
I want it to trigger some automatation whenever a button is pressed. It, however, always automagically controls whatever other device is also connected.
e.g.: Button 1 should get the blinds up via an automation (works), but it always switches the light on/off as well..
How to prevent default actions / define what entity(?) reacts to what Button and is there a way to see what event turned a light on for example?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 4:25 PM

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Sounds like the remote is bound to the light

mighty river Jan 5, 2022, 4:26 PM

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The Remote is listed with a few (un-deletable) bindings with "Coordinator" as Destination.

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Seems not to be bound to anything specific. Whatever else i connect, it controls: Lights, Outlets, Relays 🤨

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 5:23 PM

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i need to be de-noobinized

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i just flashed my shelly1 with tasmota .......how to add it to HA or zigbee2mqtt

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i added the tasmota integration

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and there i am at now

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i can connect to it's webinterface just fine so it's on my network

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 5:27 PM

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The Shelly1 isn't Zigbee

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You don't add it to Zigbee2MQTT, you configure the Tasmota #integrations-archived

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 5:28 PM

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thru configuration.yaml ?

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or this is the problem

Tasmota devices flashed with version 9.2, or later (tasmota-lite.bin does not support this integration).

i'm at 10x

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i forgot to add the mqtt broker user and host into the config......thx for pointing me in the rite direction

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 5:38 PM

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#integrations-archived can help with that

inner bay Jan 5, 2022, 5:39 PM

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yes. i thank you anyway cuz you gave me the little help i needed @sour shadow

lilac parcel Jan 5, 2022, 5:48 PM

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molten linden I started flashing 20211217 at the beginning of the year so should be good to go...

Does that include mine 🙂 ?

molten linden Jan 5, 2022, 6:01 PM

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If I shipped it after the New Year yes. if before I don't think so.

lilac parcel Jan 5, 2022, 6:04 PM

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Label was created January 1st 😄

molten linden Jan 5, 2022, 6:08 PM

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then likely (can't promise) lots in my head these days 🤪

raw shore Jan 5, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Do the IKEA tradfri zigbee light bulbs act as node in a ZigBee mesh network? I'm looking for ways to extend the range of my current zigbee network

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 6:33 PM

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Yes

raw shore Jan 5, 2022, 6:33 PM

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Also, will the lightbulb still repeat zigbee even when turned off?

royal star Jan 5, 2022, 6:33 PM

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No

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 6:34 PM

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Well, if you cut the power, no. If you turn it "off" then yes

royal star Jan 5, 2022, 6:34 PM

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This is the reason why sengled bulbs are strictly endpoints

raw shore Jan 5, 2022, 6:35 PM

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IKEA tradfri socket might be better then.

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 6:35 PM

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Or don't cut the power to them

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But yes, IMO smart bulbs shouldn't go anywhere that is controlled by a switch

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 6:36 PM

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I never cut power to any bulb in my house DogeWink

raw shore Jan 5, 2022, 6:36 PM

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I got shelly switches in some of my light switches

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I noticed that the only node (door sensor) In my ZigBee network is unavailable since this morning

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I'm hoping that adding a IKEA socket on my ZigBee network will solve this issue

mighty river Jan 5, 2022, 7:01 PM

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Hello, I hope that some one would be able to help me, I have bought a Aqara Roller Shade Driver E1 and I have added it to deconz, deconz sees is as a dimmable light, I have changed the DDF in bing a blind motor, and in deconz i get the motor to work correcty. however the issue is that phoscon keeps seeing that it is a dimmable light, and thus Home Assistent gives it the wrong domain of light instead of cover. what can I do to get this correct, my thought would be to change the "type" in phoscon, but it seems there is no option to do these changes, any other suggestions?

copper rain Jan 5, 2022, 8:12 PM

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If WIFI channel 5 is empty, and channel 6 has one AP, what is the best Zigbee channel to use?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:13 PM

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See the pins

royal star Jan 5, 2022, 8:14 PM

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Channel 26 😎

copper rain Jan 5, 2022, 8:33 PM

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The metageek article assumes WIFI is on 1, 6, 11 where Zigbee should be on 15, 20, or 25. Using the graph that they provide, I would assume 17 would be the best? I'm trying not to guess because I just spent a full day re-pairing all of my devices not knowing that the new Sonoff adapter had a default channel of 11.

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:34 PM

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Not at end devices support all channels afaik

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Which is why 15/20/25 are recommended

mystic tulip Jan 5, 2022, 8:38 PM

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can someone recommend a motion sensor that used AA or AAA batteries, or a plug in .. or just anything that doesn't require monthly battery change.. i got an old smartthings 3325 that loves to eat batteries

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 8:39 PM

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Search up for the Develco one

jolly narwhal Jan 5, 2022, 8:39 PM

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Or an aqara

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2-3 year battery life

mighty river Jan 5, 2022, 9:19 PM

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Hi all, any one with delay problems on devices response after upgrade to zigbee2mqtt version 1.22.2-1 on home assistant ?

mystic tulip Jan 5, 2022, 9:40 PM

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sour shadow Search up for the Develco one

I see the specs, but can't find where to purchase anywhere..

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:40 PM

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I bought my from AliExpress

mystic tulip Jan 5, 2022, 9:46 PM

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so I got a smartthings motion sensor centralite 3325 that uses a 2450 coin battery that kept draining so I decided to use a 2x AA battery holder and wire it into the sensor and sensor is reporting battery at 8% which is probably what it was with the 2450, can this be an inaccurate reading from the older battery?

sour shadow Jan 5, 2022, 9:48 PM

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The reporting is going to be based off of the voltage curve of the 2450 chemistry

copper rain Jan 5, 2022, 11:29 PM

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Would the reason my Z2M OTA updates are 1+ hours be because of WIFI interference? I have 26 devices, 19 of which are routers.

winter raven Jan 5, 2022, 11:38 PM

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Anyone know how to connect Xiaomi motion sensors reliably? Some are fine, and others connect and then never respond again and become "unavailable".

jovial aspen Jan 6, 2022, 1:13 AM

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Stand on one leg, face south and hold your breath while pairing

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The wind must also be blowing in a north-north-easterly direction

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Gusting no higher than 20kph

royal star Jan 6, 2022, 2:18 AM

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jovial aspen Gusting no higher than 20kph

And make sure Mercury is in retrograde

oak pike Jan 6, 2022, 2:59 AM

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@primal blade I have to be honest I don't recall doing anything special to my centralite to clear anything. I'll keep this in mind though as I just ordered a 2nd Centralite that should be here this Friday to use with my wood pellet stove so I'll see if it happens to come up there, but at least with the one I have, can't say I've had any issues.

primal blade Jan 6, 2022, 3:26 AM

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oak pike <@!592415713252081665> I have to be honest I don't recall doing anything special...

I eventually got it working. I'm not sure what did it but I changed something in the "programming mode" menu and then it worked. I used that mode before to change other things and it didn't clear it so I'm still not sure, but it works now.

primal blade Jan 6, 2022, 3:47 AM

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Do you use it with ZHA or Z2M? I tried it on both, on ZHA it doesn't seem to work as good.

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 7:23 AM

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winter raven Anyone know how to connect Xiaomi motion sensors reliably? Some are fine, and ot...

I'd guess you have a poor mesh or known bad routers, what coordinator? How many and what routers?

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 7:24 AM

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copper rain Would the reason my Z2M OTA updates are 1+ hours be because of WIFI interference...

Depends on the device, end Devices can be 1h for me, bulbs are usually 20-30 minutes

toxic falcon Jan 6, 2022, 7:45 AM

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Good morning, I'm just setting up the deconz app. I ran into a problem in the process. The sensor is displayed in Phoscon but I cannot access the sensor in the HA. Does anyone know why that is? thank you for your help

copper rain Jan 6, 2022, 10:02 AM

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jolly narwhal Depends on the device, end Devices can be 1h for me, bulbs are usually 20-30 min...

When I use to use the Hue hub, updates seemed to only take 5 minutes...

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 10:35 AM

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It probably prestages firmware to the bulbs

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pepemagiczap

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 1:29 PM

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Hej everyone. I want to setup a Hue Remote v2 to handle my light scenes natively. I.e. even without HA running.

I managed to define the scenes, control on-off and brightness. All fine. But I realized that the remote always switches between two scenes on a predefined group. Is it somehow possible to change a button behaviour?

I.e. when I press the "HUE" button, I see zha_events toggling between the scene 0 and scene 1 on the group 0x5D7D (or something like that). Can I change the group or even change the sent event completely?

Or another example: The top button sends the off event with "off_with_effect" but I would prefer a simple off.

I know this is probably very deep into generic ZigBee and not HA specific. But I though I can't be the only one who wants to have smooth controls.

raven jewel Jan 6, 2022, 1:35 PM

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What Zigbee intergration are you using?

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 1:36 PM

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ZHA

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 1:52 PM

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But because I am sending zigbee commands and the way to do it shouldn't differ between different integrations, it should work the same with every integration (because in the end it's intended to work natively, i.e. without any integration from device to device).

raven jewel Jan 6, 2022, 2:00 PM

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Yes, but it's a question of "how do you configure this to change it?". I don't use ZHA so can't comment at all.

restive knot Jan 6, 2022, 5:42 PM

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Hello Can I put 2 dongle Zigbee on my HA ?
I want one for my buld and other for the other device.
I use ZHA with Conbee2

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 5:43 PM

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Why do you want that?

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That defeats the purpose of the zigbee mesh

restive knot Jan 6, 2022, 5:46 PM

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Yes but I switch off my buld the night and a lot of device are unavailable after

sour shadow Jan 6, 2022, 5:46 PM

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You can, but you almost certainly shouldn't

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 5:47 PM

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One bulb?

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Shut it off in software,not by power button

restive knot Jan 6, 2022, 5:48 PM

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I have Buld in every room and without buld my mesh Zigbee work perfectly

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 5:49 PM

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Just don't power them down Shrug

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I never power down a single bulb

restive knot Jan 6, 2022, 5:49 PM

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Yes it's a solution indeed

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 5:49 PM

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Two networks isn't optimal

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And having it router less is not optimal

sour shadow Jan 6, 2022, 5:51 PM

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Cutting power to smart bulbs isn't smart...

restive knot Jan 6, 2022, 5:51 PM

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Yes I know it's why I put Bulb in my ZHA and not in Hue Philips

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 6:10 PM

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raven jewel Yes, but it's a question of "how do you configure this to change it?". I don't u...

I didn't understand that. I'm not configuring that in ZHA directly. I'm only using ZHA to issue cluster commands on the Zigbee device through the development -> service tab to configure the scenes and groups in Zigbee directly. Nothing configured in ZHA.

So if you use Z2M or anything else, the way to configure scenes on a device (zigbee scenes, not HA scenes!) or change what a button is sending to the bound device (if you actually can change that), shouldn't be a matter of integration but native Zigbee configuration or device specific, but not integration specific.

Sure, you can set HA to react to that button-press and do whatever you like, but I'm binding the remote directly to the device to send the command directly to the device. That way it also works when HA is not reachable cause of whatever reason.

Only problem or question I have: Can I change the behaviour of a remote (e.g. which group for a scene-switch it is sending, how many scenes it should cycle through or to send 'off' and not 'off_with_effect' when pressing the off button)?

raven jewel Jan 6, 2022, 6:11 PM

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How do you expect to change the behaviour of the remote? Magic? You have to use something to configure it.

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 6:18 PM

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No, but you can configure Zigbee-Devices direcly on ZigBee. Sure, I send the commands through ZHA, but they are native zigbee commands.

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For example for some light bulbs you can configure them to remember the last state and recall it after powerloss or have a default state. That's also something you do on zigbee directly and not in your HA server. So why shouldn't I be able to tell a remote what command to send or how many scenes to cycle through?

sour shadow Jan 6, 2022, 6:21 PM

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I mean, in a perfect world you'd be right

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However, devices that smart aren't normal

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 6:23 PM

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So changing the behaviour of a button, behaviour of a button or how many scenes to cycle is nothing that's possible!? That seems so limiting to me ^^

sour shadow Jan 6, 2022, 6:23 PM

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It's highly unlikely to be possible

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It's 100% easier for manufacturers to make their hubs smart, and their devices relatively dumb

spark summit Jan 6, 2022, 6:26 PM

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How sad... I like it a lot that I can let my devices directly talk to each other. Switching between two scenes almost perfectly and instantly works but I was hoping for more.

gentle flint Jan 6, 2022, 7:21 PM

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jagged zephyr Anyone familiar with a three way switch which does not require a neutral? Zigbee...

You are unlikely to find any. Not without a neutral. Get a no neutral wall switch and bind a remote to it as a second switch

tropic depot Jan 6, 2022, 7:38 PM

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If you are willing to break the 3-way and cap wires in the wall you can use these: https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-2-Pack-Switch-Module/dp/B098BTPK7F/ref=sr_1_1?

molten linden Jan 6, 2022, 7:40 PM

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tropic depot If you are willing to break the 3-way and cap wires in the wall you can use thes...

I've done this. lol

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cheaper way would be to mod contact sensors.

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explode FYI - anyone with one of my PoE coords purchased after December 15 - I'm finding the ESPHome FW build is not allowing successful flashing of the CC2652 - it will always crap out. rolling back the ESPHome FW to the bin here https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways/blob/main/tube_poe_coordinator/tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2_oliemex_poe.bin will let it complete fine. Will be sending out an email shortly.. but have to gather the addresses.

jolly narwhal Jan 6, 2022, 7:46 PM

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Noice

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NM_DogDanceRGB

copper rain Jan 6, 2022, 8:34 PM

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I asked a question about WIFI/Zigbee overlapping channels earlier. I came across this documentation that has a table to help figure out which channels overlap: https://www.digi.com/resources/documentation/digidocs/90001537/references/r_channels_zigbee.htm

austere patio Jan 6, 2022, 8:34 PM

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copper rain I asked a question about WIFI/Zigbee overlapping channels earlier. I came across...

What coordinator are you using?

copper rain Jan 6, 2022, 8:35 PM

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I'm using the new Sonoff one.

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I recently moved from the HUSBZB though.

austere patio Jan 6, 2022, 8:35 PM

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You can directly run an energy scan on the coordinator itself instead of guessing based on WiFi networks: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#energy-scan

copper rain Jan 6, 2022, 8:36 PM

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So cool! Thanks!

sour shadow Jan 6, 2022, 8:36 PM

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copper rain I asked a question about WIFI/Zigbee overlapping channels earlier. I came across...

One of the pinned messages has that in visual form 😉