so you want a key both sides
#zigbee-archived
crude otter
DETA/Brilliant/Whatever.. its all just TUYA based stuff afaik
jovial aspen
yeah
crude otter
i prefer to avoid tuya stuff
jovial aspen
i flashed it with tasmo
i think i've found a working esphome config, so i'm going to give that a try soon
crude otter
the only tuya things i have now, are some LED strips and a pedestal fan
jovial aspen
i have a few of the kogan smart plugs with power meters
violet dagger
i got tons of former tuya things and 1 zigbee plug
crude otter
all my zigbee stuff is in ZHA, and my sonoff stuff is using SonoffLAN (so cloud not required)
jovial aspen
i've only left them with tuya because i can't get to the esp8266 to flash it
crude otter
Kogan 🤮
crude otter
that said, my kogan order arrived today lol
but it was some ASICS shoes.. they cant stuff that up
but Kogan TVs and stuff? 🗑️
jovial aspen
the best thing you can do with tuya is flash over it with tasmo/esp
jovial aspen
mqtt
jovial aspen
i needed it for my weather station, and i now run espresense on a bunch of esp32 devkit boards
so i've come to rely on it
crude otter
i want a good weather station
was looking at that WeatherFlow Tempest .. but they dont seem to sell them here at the moment
jovial aspen
i've got this one - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/262073907445
crude otter
ahh WeatherUnderground
jovial aspen
using weewx locally
crude otter
does it require to use that (its not free anymore?)
jovial aspen
that's pretty
crude otter
it apparently can share your data
to make others more accurate
but you dont have to
jovial aspen
it was the temperature chip that went first, corroded
crude otter
"A revolutionary design with no moving parts, nearly zero maintenance, instant online data, a free personal webpage, and a rich API powering a growing list of third-party applications."
HomeSeer, OpenHAB etc
weewx
i remember some talk about zigbee devices and usb 3.0 ports
is it ok to use a usb extension cable to distance the zigbee stick from a usb 3.0 port?
cerulean abyss
@crude otter @jovial aspen where do you guys get your aqara stuff from? Since australia is horrible with getting shipped to at times
Also with that T Lock, how good is it to use, and is it recommended to get (especially if there are non tech people around)
raven jewel
I'm neither of those people, nor do I live in Australia, but I get my stuff from these two AliExpress stores primarily: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/516347 https://www.aliexpress.com/store/5513027
cerulean abyss
Yeah I’ve been getting them from Ali atm, wondering if australia has anything better locally or whether that’s still the best shot. Thanks though!
cerulean abyss
Is it just a 4 digit code to unlock?
Or smart home unlock of course
And what happens if there’s no power
cerulean abyss
Also for the t lock @crude otter, is Z2Mqtt or ZHA better to use it with?
crude otter
I've only tested with zha
4-8 digit pins
Can be set from zha
Man manually unlock and lock
External battery terminal if it's flat
worn zodiac
pardon my ignorance but how would I do that? I know how to navigate to the dev tools > events and chose zha_event. what event am I subscribing to to pick up? device id is 75d430d66c164c26ac8601c05932dc94.
twilit narwhal
you subscribe to zha_event, you click you button device, and see what kind of event is sent. When you have this information, you can create an automation using the event ID and (if needed) the event data
worldly apex
Okay, I have entered into a battle with Zigbee... and, I think Zigbee is winning :). I have a few areas where batteries in devices die quickly and/or the devices will disconnect. I assume this is due to a weak mesh.
I am going to look at my router settings, but, I think I also need repeaters to cover my house (as most of my devices are battery powered). Any recommendations on inexpensive routers or plugs that can be routers that also provide power monitoring?
I really like the Aqara devices (have temp and water sensors) but their plugs are a bit expensive.
violet dagger
their plugs arent anything special
twilit narwhal
if you need power monitoring, you can use Aqara, they're quite nice. If you don't care about monitoring and only want the router functionality, I use this kind (which is less expensive in 2-packs) :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zigbee-Philips-Google-Required-2-Pack/dp/B07SLZVM78/
worn zodiac
you subscribe to zha_event, you click you button device, and see what kind of ev...
OK, I got ya. I chose * for event type and zha_event for listening to. I tested one of my other zigbee devices and I get an event. I try a button on this scent controller and I get nothing. Did I miss something?
worldly apex
I was checking out the Innr... look good for the price. No power monitoring but look good.
@twilit narwhal looks like we had the same idea 🙂
Okay, I will get a few of these guys and see if that helps things.
Question, once I get these routers and add them to the network. Do I have the force the network to reconfigure... or will it figure it out itself in time?
twilit narwhal
don't go too far on the routers, I have a strong mesh on 250m2 (2700sqft) with only 5 of them.
cerulean abyss
What about the IKEA repeater, would that be good? https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/tradfri-signal-repeater-30400412/
twilit narwhal
for your last question it depends... Aqara products are a bit tricky, as they usually don't change routers on their own and require them to do another pairing. For other devices they should adapt to the mesh automatically
violet dagger
why buy a repeater when you can buy a plug
twilit narwhal
that's the best repeater afaik in term of range
but not available in every countries
for instance it's sold in Germany and Sweden but not in France (even though we have the exact same electrical norms)
violet dagger
best in term of range? from what data?
twilit narwhal
OK, I got ya. I chose * for event type and zha_event for listening to. I teste...
If you don't get anything maybe it's not paired correctly, you should get events when you push the button
cerulean abyss
why buy a repeater when you can buy a plug
Because I may not need a plug but a usb outlet is useful too if it repeats
violet dagger
not all usb outlets are the same and IKEA repeater is quite weak
twilit narwhal
best in term of range? from what data?
people's data 😄 I can't buy it, so I wouldn't know, but I stumbled over this assertion several times on reddit
violet dagger
ah reddit... then it must be true
twilit narwhal
LoL
violet dagger
its like conbee II being the best stick
best repeater is a CC2652 based router with an external antenna
twilit narwhal
yeah, but what you can get from that, it's that it's probably at least not the worst repeater
twilit narwhal
and for that price tag, if you can get one, it's probably worth trying
twilit narwhal
best repeater is a CC2652 based router with an external antenna
Yes but it's a little less newbie friendly, as you need to flash it
violet dagger
???
violet dagger
if you buy a CC2652 router you get a CC2652 router
cerulean abyss
not all usb outlets are the same and IKEA repeater is quite weak
A 5v 1a socket isn’t bad especially if it can extend, especially since I can buy it locally easily. Rather than online order (can imagine it would be useful for say a living room or kitchen shared charger)
twilit narwhal
Yes I think you should consider the location, a USB charger is of no use in a hallway
cerulean abyss
Yeah if it was a hallway then a plug would be a better idea
twilit narwhal
I's recommend to go step by step with the routers, try to extend your network where you wanna put new end devices and go on. Remember that a router is limited in terms of number of child devices and try to map your mesh so you cover the needed area
worldly apex
What about the IKEA repeater, would that be good? https://www.ikea.com/au/en/p/t...
for me... I am dipping my toe in the water and everytime I do I feel like I step too deep. I know there are always better options... I have a external Zigbee cord with CC2652 that has a ETH connection to my network. This has an External Antenna.
I am using ZHA... and love this thing compared to my hue system. But, dealing with HA, ZHA, Various ESPs connected to BLE devices and WiFi devices... Fun has become few and far between 🙂
So, Just looking to get a few sensors going to get my motivation back up to continue my Home Automation quest.
I am sure many in this chat have had the same Exp :). I know from watching the chat over time... periods of awesomeness... and darkness.
twilit narwhal
You're right, at least in my personal experience. I have more fun with switches and thermostat than with sensors though, sensors are just here to provide inputs for automations or for the eye-candiness of my dashboard in my opinion.
worn zodiac
If you don't get anything maybe it's not paired correctly, you should get events...
Deleted and repaired. Same. I do see this in the HA log whenever I press a button on the device: 2021-11-26 08:29:03 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0x8876:1:0x0017] Unknown cluster-specific command 8
twilit narwhal
if you try to listen to * in subscribe event and quickly click the button then unsubscribe maybe you can find the one you're looking for, some device just send a "state_changed" event and you find the command / action in the event_data
worn zodiac
if you try to listen to * in subscribe event and quickly click the button then u...
When you say "look for" are you referring to the full home assistant log or the area just below the subscript section in the Developer area? I litterally see nothing in that area when subscribed to zha_event and pushing the buttons on the device. if I use a different device that area then shows something. I'm definitely not missing it in that area because it is catching other events.
mortal forge
I planned to make a move from deconz to mqtt today but how horrible is it to first set it up?
Have to gather information/documentation from 20 different sources
mortal forge
Spent all day installing the mqtt broker
now figuring out how to best install zigbee2mqtt
sour shadow
Well, there's only two sane choices: add-on or native Docker
mortal forge
I don't have the add-on option, I use docker
mortal forge
Yes, I'm "stuck" at that step now
got a zigbee2mqtt container but figuring out what to do now
seems like I need a conf file
sour shadow
It should create one for you
Then you edit it, enable the frontend, and everything is UI driver
mortal forge
It didn't, appdata folder is empty
sour shadow
Then... something may have gone wrong with your folder mappings
(and when I say may I mean has)
mortal forge
but it did create the zigbee2mqtt folder in appdata, it's just the folder itself which is empty
cerulean abyss
You did link them together in the docker compose right?
mortal forge
volumes:
- ${DOCKERCONFDIR}/zigbee2mqtt:/config
jolly narwhal
Use absolute paths 
sour shadow
And that path is wrong
HA uses /config
Z2M doesn't
That's why you're having issues
mortal forge
I see, /app/data did the trick
On to the next error 😆
Cheers though, was overlooking that one
Just took a copy from on my existing composes and edited it
I can't add port numbers because it needs to run on network_mode: host , I can't imagine im the only one experiencing this, how do those of you who have the same get a frontend?
sour shadow
Z2M doesn't need to be in host mode
You can however specify the port numbers just fine
mortal forge
Oh really?
sour shadow
Just add the relevant section to the Z2M config and stop over-thinking it
mortal forge
I had to put my homeassistant and deconz in host mode as otherwise autodiscovery etc wouldn't work
sour shadow
Home Assistant is Home Assistant
Zigbee2MQTT is Zigbee2MQTT
deCONZ is deCONZ
Just because one of them tastes like lemon doesn't mean the others do
cerulean abyss
The real question…. Which one actually does taste like lemons 😂
lofty junco
hey yo again 🙂
So, i configured my zigbee2mqtt coordinator with ZHA and it connected successfully to HA.
I've read now into several online posts about philips hue. Currently I'm using many light bulbs from hue and I'm also using the hue bridge. But my idea is to get rid of the hue brdige now that i have HA. Is there any problem with that idea that you see? I know I can also integrate the hue bridge into HA but if all lights can work without the hue bridge, why use it then? ^^°
sour shadow
It's not a Zigbee2MQTT coordinator 😉
lofty junco
It's not a Zigbee2MQTT coordinator 😉
damn you're right, the termsssss xD
sour shadow
No issues with ditching the Hue Hub though, that's kinda the point
obsidian sandalBOT
lofty junco
No issues with ditching the Hue Hub though, that's kinda the point
alright. But do i need the "Philips Hue" integration then? It started to tell me to press the button on the bridge and i think that's the wrong way... sorry for all those questions x_x
lofty junco
You pair all the Hue devices with ZHA
ah, alright, was confused because in ZHA in the "devices" list the zigbee coordinator shows up itself, but that list is then also meant to fill up with the hue lights, alright. And, are there any problems to be epxected when for some temporary timeperiod, i have a hue light connected to the hue bridge and ZHA?
sour shadow
Well, it'll fill up when you start pairing them
lofty junco
Well, it'll fill up when you start pairing them
finished to pair one bulb, now i gotta go through my house and repeat that for all bulbs i guess xD
thanks so far 🙂
but i think if i reset the bulb and connect it to HA, it will not be available anymore by the hue bridge. So i first need to get everything setup with the less important bulbs, i mean e.g. having my echo dot device control them with voice^^
sour shadow
Correct, and remember to pair them in a spiral out from the coordinator to avoid pain
Do remember you can connect the Alexa #voice-assistants-archived to HA
lofty junco
Correct, and remember to pair them in a spiral out from the coordinator to avoid...
uh... what pain exactly?
sour shadow
Well, trying to pair devices beyond the reach of the mesh ain't gonna work
Removing the devices a remote bulb uses to communicate with the Hub and then expecting that bulb to work... that's also not gonna work
lofty junco
oh, true true. But i just connected one bulb directly now to the coordinator and that's the longest distance (including 1 floor change) i have. so i should be fine either way?
but the mesh "knows" or "figures out" on its own which device is closest, right? So if i was now able to connect that "far away bulb", and add "closer bulbs" lateron, that will work flawless too?
sour shadow
Most likely - yes
lofty junco
i... i guess that question might be stupid, because the closer bulbs are... closer to the antenny, so they wont use the "furter away" bulbs
sour shadow
Well...
lofty junco
well, talking about "connectivity", not pure distance
sour shadow
Devices that are routers are likely to pick their definition of the best route to the coordinator if that changes by whatever is "enough" for them
They may also not change as long as the route works
End devices are less likely to change route
lofty junco
if i'm correct i saw some mesh-overview in HA? will that be showing the re-routes etc the commands are taking?
sour shadow
No, it doesn't show routes, it shows (at best) connectivity
The devices decide the route (ish)
lofty junco
oh, ok
oh wait, i just saw the option in HA "connect new device over this device", which means that i will explicitly define a router-enddevice connection here?
sour shadow
Nope
It (attempts to) pair that way, but who knows what route it'll pick later
End devices will probably stick, routers ... 
lofty junco
oh... ok, good to know xD little bit misleading bot gut it then^^°
atomic mesa
I am having problems with IKEA light blinking. I am not quite sure where to get help . I am using zha and conbee II. I created a small video on the subject https://youtu.be/WChPa4tbrAo and also captured packed using a sniffer
hushed hamlet
So I have some Aqara sensors for our business, some are inside our building, and some are outside on our food truck. I have a laptop running HA inside, and it can connect to the devices on the truck, giving me full functionality when the truck is parked.
Is it possible for me to use a second hub (Aqara hub, another HA instance or something else) that would let the devices on the truck be functional while the truck is deployed on location, but still connect to my main HA instance when it's parked. The truck has it's own wireless hotspot btw.
sour shadow
Yes, you could deploy one Zigbee2MQTT instance per truck
For that and a single sensor you'll probably get away with a CC2531, though stability issues there means something CC2652 based would be smarter
There will be some challenges there - it'll need power 24x7 or the device will drop off the van's mesh after 24 hours
You'll also likely need to run an MQTT broker on each van, and have it bridge itself to your main one, just for reliability reasons
sour shadow
It's just an engineering challenge 🤣
hushed hamlet
The truck has a diesel generator but switches power sources and has short power outages during that, but I could use a UPS
sour shadow
If it's running on a Pi - maybe a Pi Zero W2 - then an UPS HAT may work
mortal forge
Two hours later and managed to get frontend of zigbee2mqtt working with some bulbs and ikea remote added. In deconz I just added the remote to the bulbs in there and also assigned scenes etc; Do you guys also do this in zigbee2mqtt or use homeassistant automations/nodered for this?
jolly narwhal
Two hours later and managed to get frontend of zigbee2mqtt working with some bul...
Pure HA for scenes and automations here, groups are in z2m
mighty river
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only detects the battery, it does not detect the 2 switches. I use a CC2531 with ZHA integration
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only detects the battery, it does not detect the 2 switches. I use a CC2531 with ZHA integration
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only detects the battery, it does not detect the 2 switches. I use a CC2531 with ZHA integration
meager tartan
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only det...
I only have a D1
mighty river
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only det...
I think I have found something: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/46609#issuecomment-779550885
"I have enabled debug logging for ZHA component and saw what events occur when the switch keys are pressed. In my case, when I pressed the switch key, an event occurred with the following data: "event_type": "zha_event", "command": "left_single". Next I just created an automation where this event was a trigger."
Can you tell me how you can enable the debugging log for the ZHA component?
mortal forge
Pure HA for scenes and automations here, groups are in z2m
I was also going to go that route as I can’t figure it out in z2m lol, none of my bindings work or do anything
austere patio
I think I have found something: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/46...
Listen for zha_event in the "listen for events" page in the developer tools
mighty river
Listen for `zha_event` in the "listen for events" page in the developer tools
Thanks, I have it! 🙂
grizzled fossil
I want to add a custom quirk to ZHA, I tried copying the file to /config/custom-zha-quirks/ts004f.py, adding some lines in configuration.yaml. Is this supposed to work in homeassistant-os, connected over ssh-addon at all as I'm getting strange errors...
austere patio
I want to add a custom quirk to ZHA, I tried copying the file to /config/custom-...
It is. What's the error?
grizzled fossil
It is. What's the error?
had to restart first. There it is: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for dictionary value @ data['zha']['custom_quirks_path']. Got '/config/custom_zha_quirks/'. (See /config/configuration.yaml, line 16). Please check the docs at https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha
lilac wharf
Looks like that path doesn't exist
twilit narwhal
Did you get the Aqara H1s to work well? I have some on the table and HA only det...
Wow that’s an old message you’re answering to. Eventually I switched to zigbee2mqtt where they seem to be better handled. Only issue I still have is I can’t bind the remote D1 to the switches of the H1. Whatever endpoint I select it’s always the 1 that’s triggered. So I made a automation. Granted it generates a bit of a latency, but that’s the best I could achieve. I wonder how they work in ZHA by now.
austere patio
had to restart first. There it is: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for...
You wrote /config/custom-zha-quirks but the config contains /config/custom_zha_quirks
twilit narwhal
Other than this that’s the best I could find under 40€. Others I found are all plastic and feel very cheap.
grizzled fossil
You wrote `/config/custom-zha-quirks` but the config contains `/config/custom_zh...
you gotta be kidding me, wtf... I had to type all the stuff myself because the browser ssh connection messed everything up. thank you so much! already restarting
austere patio
You may find it a lot easier to do this with the SMB addon
jolly narwhal
Browser SSH, oh my goodness
mortal forge
someone here can help me with ikea light remote and using it to dim lights with zigbee2mqtt
jolly narwhal
Press the buttons and subscribe to the mqtt broker
mortal forge
My entire MQTT is absolutely flooding with messages when dimming
jolly narwhal
Then create an automation based on the buttons
jolly narwhal
That is not normal
mortal forge
I'm using blueprints designed for my ikea remotes
jolly narwhal
I'm dimming 80+ lights 14/7
mortal forge
How? With default HA automations? Nodered?
mortal forge
That's something I'll look into later, I'm moving from deconz today so I just need the basic things to atleast work again
As the wife is already displeased with the current brightness 🙂
grizzled fossil
You may find it a lot easier to do this with the SMB addon
thanks, looks like it's working now. strange device as all buttons look equal but dont have the same triggers
mortal forge
If my device has a picture/manefacturere etc in the devices overview, that means I don't have to do these steps right?https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html#instructions
Because for every click I make on my remotes it gives me a red box in the frontend, giving me that url
stark saddle
Hi, I want to send a deconz configuration payload to a zigbee TRV (Danfoss Ally). The cluster name is Heat Available with ID 0x4030 (boolean). In Deconz app to write data you have to check/uncheck a tickbox "Heat available". I tried to send a payload "heatavailable: false" but it's not working. Where can I find the correct json object's name for the payload? Thanks
hushed sparrow
please i have installed mqtt but i get this error: 502: Bad Gateway
what could be wrong
grizzled fossil
@austere patio thank you again very much! amazing
mortal forge
Because for every click I make on my remotes it gives me a red box in the fronte...
Using the search button it seems multiple people experience this with all kinds of supported models, seems some are able to resolve it by keep removing and re-adding the remote till it works
jovial aspen
<@447932317407772673> <@869126635243307029> where do you guys get your aqara stu...
AliExpress mostly, sometimes eBay. Depends who's got it cheaper. I did just order an Aqara motion sensor from AE and it arrived in just over a week.
rancid sky
jovial aspen
I'm neither of those people, nor do I live in Australia, but I get my stuff from...
These stores have pretty good prices, thanks!
silk sphinx
i have a (maybe dumb) question: i'm looking for a zigbee "sensor" that fires an event on a circuit close/open event or even on a DC voltage (for: doorbells, garage positional sensors, common buttons / switches)
so more or less like the new philips switch module, but is there anything else more suitable?
sour shadow
obsidian sandalBOT
twilit narwhal
please i have installed mqtt but i get this error: 502: Bad Gateway
Zigbee2MQTT is not running (correctly or at all), check the log, you probably have an error
hushed sparrow
thankfully i fixed it by mapping the correct path for the stick 🙂
mortal forge
My E1743 ikea remote keeps triggering unsupported messages in zigbee2mqtt even though Z2M says it's supported in the devices overview, any fix?
mortal forge
My E1743 ikea remote keeps triggering unsupported messages in zigbee2mqtt even t...
For future people who found this by searching; I resolved this by removing my remote automations in HA and then removing the default bind group in z2M and then binding it to my group of lights. For some reason it is then working by default (Dimming, on, off...) so no need for HA automations
shadow shard
Can someone help me where to start on adding "effects" to "Christmas ligts", it uses Zigbee and is connected through ZHA.
It currently has none for over a year, so i guess i have to add them myself or figure out how to add them to the main repo 🙂
meager eagle
Hi,
Any recommendations for a Zigbee gateway that can solidly support 500+ devices (in my case, almost all Philips Hue lights)? I'm selecting hardware for a large scale setup and would like to set up a single gateway for simplicity and to avoid any issues with interference.
warm sonnet
Surely panalised lighting is the way to go way before you get anywhere near 500 bulbs
cerulean abyss
Panalised?
warm sonnet
Anyone aware of a plug-in zigbee device which will act as both a router and a thermometer, ideally the size of your typical USB charger wall plug ?
warm sonnet
Panalised?
Centralised, where the wires for the lights go back to a centralised place and that place has relays etc which control the lights rather than each bulb
cerulean abyss
Centralised, where the wires for the lights go back to a centralised place and t...
Ah true. I guess I look at it from an Australian perspective where bulb is easier since I can do it myself rather than an electrician job.
Though if I was doing 500 bulbs I would probably just get switches and save smart bulbs for dimmers/ colour changers
meager eagle
We did panelized lights in our old home (Lutron), but really like the Philips Hue bulbs, hence the 500 devices
Is there a Zigbee gateway that would work well for this use case?
jolly narwhal
Zigbee2mqtt with a proper coordinator will probably be fine
austere patio
I think 500 Zigbee 3.0 lights would fill up the Z-Stack link key table, which holds only 200 entries.
The link keys aren't really used at runtime so you could in theory just clear the table out a few times to get all 500 bulbs running
jolly narwhal
Worst case you could run two different meshes for either side of the house with distant channels
austere patio
I'd try an EFR32 board first, like https://www.tubeszb.com/product/efr32_gw_2/6?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=2. That way you can migrate the mesh to a CC2652 or even a Conbee.
jolly narwhal
Interesting, tubeszb is 502
austere patio
Migrating in the other direction isn't as straightforward due to the EFR32's coordinator IEEE address being only changeable a single time
molten linden
I have 1 or 2 of those modules left but would need to order some pcbs I think.
austere patio
I think we'd have to ask one of the EZSP experts if the firmware can handle it
molten linden
There was a guy who bought like 4 from me as he was sending so many raw commands that it was flooding the network
He has theses giant fixtures with a ton of bulbs
austere patio
Did he have adaptive lighting without groups or something?
molten linden
No he had some custom scripts for color effects
austere patio
Probably also unicast. Groups always are the solution to that kind of problem (unless you want different bulbs in the fixture to do different things?)
Did he set up four separate networks to do this??
molten linden
They were doing different things
I just went digging for the videos he sent me but they are now private on YouTube
austere patio
That's pretty cool regardless
molten linden
He had these massive chandeliers with like 30 gu10 bulbs
And had crazy like light show animations that he ran via custom scripts in ha sending the zigbee commands
There’s an old zha GitHub issue where he describes it and Alexi and Dave said he was flooding the network. Then he orders like 3 more coordinators 😂
vestal atlas
How is the Silabs unicast performance compared to TIs? Is there any noticeable difference between the two in how many concurrent requests it can have going out?
austere patio
I've only ever used the HUSBZB-1 and it feels about 2x slower. If you have any dead IKEA bulbs with intact Zigbee modules, you can turn them into DIY coordinators (https://github.com/MattWestb/IKEA-TRADFRI-ICC-A-1-Module). They have more recent chips.
Conbee is 2x faster
vestal atlas
Interesting. I have salvaged a ikea module already that I planned to try as a coordinator someday, need to start looking into that 🙂
worldly apex
Any thoughts in how I can find the frequency/ channel my Zigbee Network is using? I am Tubeszb Gateway with ZHA.
austere patio
It's not currently exposed in the ZHA interface but if you enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging, it'll be printed on startup to /config/home-assistant.log.
If you didn't previously use the coordinator with Z2M (or reflashed it afterwards), it'll be 15
Otherwise, 11
worldly apex
cool, thanks!
reef inlet
zigbee novice here. i've got hue and smartthings and want to consolidate and just use a different (better) zigbee hub that is more HA friendly. ideally i'm after something slightly more on the standalone side of things as my HA server is about 50ft away from the house so connectivity wouldn't be ideal (ie i can't get a zigbee door sensor to work that distance from the current smarthings hub)
what would be my best options?
a) some 3rd party zigbee hub (Xiaomi or something?)
b) some other usb dongle type of thing (would any have wifi built in to send zha/zigbee2mqtt to my HA server?)
c) some more powerful than usual zha/zigbee2mqtt usb stick (without wifi) plugged into my HA server (bigger aerial?)
d) something else??
appreciate any pointers
mighty river
Hello guys, is there a good replacement for a tradfi signal repeater, as it is a bit hard to get one in canada, unless you travel far?
austere patio
Hello guys, is there a good replacement for a tradfi signal repeater, as it is a...
Anything other than a Sengled bulb that is always plugged in will act as a repeater.
sour shadow
zigbee novice here. i've got hue and smartthings and want to consolidate and ju...
ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT would be the way
obsidian sandalBOT
mighty river
Still from the tradfi lineup? And will it setup the same as a repeater in home assistant?
austere patio
You don't need dedicated repeaters unless you have no use for Zigbee light bulbs, switched outlets, etc.
As long as it's Zigbee and not a Sengled light bulb, it'll relay packets and extend your mesh
reef inlet
ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT would be the way
and that would mean i'd need to plug it into a machine running zha/zig2mqtt? or would any devices do it all in one with wifi built in?
given the distance i'm not sure how I can get around that
unless i put another 'always on' pc in the house somewhere
mighty river
Great, thank you puddly
sour shadow
and that would mean i'd need to plug it into a machine running zha/zig2mqtt? or...
In an absolute pinch you can get by with https://tasmota.github.io/docs/Zigbee/ on a ZBbridge, but that's a crappy experience
You can also use one of the network connected coordinators - but not an EZSP one
(and not WiFi)
reef inlet
hmmk
so it sounds like putting it on a pc in the house is going to be the only real option then. don't want a crappy experience
coordinator is that a z2mqtt term specifically?
sour shadow
Well, for Z2M you can get by with a Pi and an industrial SD card (or a high-write one like the WD Purple)
jolly narwhal
I do that
austere patio
You can use a raspberry pi with a USB stick or an ethernet-connected coordinator to better place it
jolly narwhal
A upshat is a good idea too
reef inlet
ok actually i have a zero kicking about doing nothing
reef inlet
oh 😦
sour shadow
They do share a frequency band after all
reef inlet
fair enough but given every house that uses zigbee would also be riddled with all wifi bands too
sour shadow
Sure... but putting two sets of radio kit in close proximity ... that's different
reef inlet
true. ok well thats given me something to be getting on with anyway. thank you.
I'm guessing there isn't really anything you can do to 'hack' the hue/smartthings hubs to get them working with zb2mqtt in anyway? before i go decommissioning them from my network completely
sour shadow
Not AFAIK, but see the bot message about coordinators
reef inlet
ok , oh and is there anything special about a ConBee II ?
compared to , say something like - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224337354116
sour shadow
austere patio
You have listed the two least recommended sticks 😆
sour shadow
Well, I'm not actually surprised by that
I'd be pretty confident that none of the links I've posted were clicked on, let alone the contents read
reef inlet
not yet, no. i'm about to read them 🙂 ok
it was a general question as someone i know bought a conbee2 is all
austere patio
It'll "work" but for the price, buy a coordinator that will work well with your preferred Zigbee integration (unless you want to use deCONZ).
mighty river
For a quick doublecheck, the TRÅDFRi LED bulb E26 806 lumen will work as a zigbee repeater?
Great!
austere patio
Make sure not to connect it to a light switch that will be toggled though
Routers don't work very well when they're physically powered off
mighty river
😆
umbral grove
Any experience with this smart plug? It has a power consumption monitor feature. I'm wondering if that will work when not using the aqara hub but another Z2M dongle.
sour shadow
Well, if you're using Zigbee2MQTT it lists the working devices...
You can just look it up and see if it's known to work
umbral grove
Ah got it. Didn't spot the list of features it supports on that page https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Aqara_SP-EUC01.html . Thanks 🙂
grizzled fossil
What happens if I add a zigbee device that has other functions as described in its corresponding quirk? Will ZHA strictly stick to the quirk scope?
austere patio
The quirk defines entirely what the device's capabilities are. Can you explain what you're trying to do?
sour shadow
Ah got it. Didn't spot the list of features it supports on that page https://zi...
Or, you could have used the official Z2M list, rather than a third party list...
grizzled fossil
The quirk defines entirely what the device's capabilities are. Can you explain w...
Hey 🙂 So I have a 4-button switch that pretends to be a dimmer switch by default. but there is a key combination to switch to scene switch mode (which offers more key combinations - short, double, long). the quirk is for dimmer switch mode only. Best would be to configure everything for dimmer mode AND scene switch mode (or scene switch mode only would be also ok), that would be awesome. I could imagine just intercepting the communication the switch is sending and adapt the quirk file.
austere patio
Is this Tuya?
grizzled fossil
yes
austere patio
🤮
Dealing with devices that change their capabilities at runtime is going to be difficult
grizzled fossil
I'm still thinking about something like: ok it's just sending different ids, that can't be so difficult
Maybe I don't take into account some minor problems but what makes the whole thing difficult?
umbral grove
Or, you could have used the official Z2M list, rather than a third party list......
Hehe got it. Sorry new to this, thanks for the help! https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/SP-EUC01.html
violet dagger
Or, you could have used the official Z2M list, rather than a third party list......
Which is based on the official list
ashen coral
In case someone remembers my problem with Hue dimmers not reporting any actions in zigbee2mqtt...
Turns out if I pair a remote with z2m, then shut that down, start up deconz with the same stick, give it a couple of minutes, press any button on the dimmer, shut down deconz and start up z2m everything works.
languid egret
Hi i have a zigbee hub (ethernet connection) registered in SmartLife. but is marked as unsupported in HA. How can i fix this?
ember tree
Hi group, I have an issue when a non-admin user is calling this service: zha.warning_device_warn, It gives me the error: Failed to call .... unauthorized. No issue is encountered when the same button/script is called from an admin user. Any idea how to set this up correctly? Thanks in advance for the help
meager eagle
He has theses giant fixtures with a ton of bulbs
@molten linden know his screen name? Planning on having a very similar setup of large fixtures with 25+ GU10 smart bulbs, would love to get in touch with him to ask him more about his setup
molten linden
He’s not on discord as far as I know and wouldn’t feel comfortable sharing his email. Take look at old zha tagged issues and you may find it
molten linden
@meager eagle here is the old issue https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/48634
grizzled hamlet
Hi everyone, I was wondering why I do see two entries of a light. I noticed when adding devices to a scene. I see the following, but both relate to the same light bulb.
- Dimmable light 11
- IKEA of Sweden TRADFRI bulb E27 WW clear 250lm 959b67fe level, on_off
btw using Phoscon/Deconz here for talking to the Zigbee lights.
wheat rose
Anyone else having an issue with ZHA integration no longer updating Tradfri devices' battery status? All of my remotes and motion sensors haven't had a battery update since 'Last Week'
willow bronze
Can some zigbee devices speak directly to each other
even if the coordinator is down
so like, a switch and a button
reef inlet
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~}@?.,L;MKOJNUBYHTFRDEWSSSSSS3333333333333Q2111111111111112W3E4R5T6Y7U8O#
ashen coral
Hey @reef inlet Your cat's on the keyboard!
jolly narwhal
What happens when you press your yubikey in discord
mighty river
Hello everybody, is it possible to get an device supported? I just bought a Philips Huie Aurella but it does not work 😦
929003099001
lilac wharf
With what zigbee software? ZHA?
mighty river
Zigbee2MQTT
I already have 65 devices added without issue but this one does not bind
lilac wharf
Doesn't support binding or it shows as unsupported?
novel crown
I am in the process from switching my HA installation to a more powerful, and more cooled raspi and in the same step I want to switch from a conbee2 to a zzh. Is there any way to do it, without the need to repair every device? using zha
austere patio
I am in the process from switching my HA installation to a more powerful, and mo...
It's a WIP but it worked when I last tested it: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2
Send me a DM if it doesn't
novel crown
thanks I will take a look. Looks like I need a bit of extra work, since I am runnign HA form HA OS
austere patio
You should be able to run all of those same commands from within the OS (maybe using python -m venv instead of virtualenv). Make sure to disable ZHA before doing all this, since it's still using the serial port
Though it's a lot easier with a second computer
novel crown
I just plugged in the coordinators directly to my laptop. Worked so far.
at least what the programm told me. Gotta make a backup and then see if it works when I switch the PIs
thanks for your help so far
austere patio
All you need to do is backup the conbee, restore it to the zzh, and then edit the entry in .storage/core.config_entries to point to the new stick (with the znp radio type and 115200 baud) or delete/re-add ZHA
novel crown
znp is just a term for zzh and the other radios that uses that one specific chip, correct?
austere patio
It's the radio library responsible for communicating with every TI chip, CC2531, CC1352p, CC2652, etc.
novel crown
okay, then I should be good. Let's see if I can unplug my old raspi and plug in the new one
novel crown
after removing zha via the UI and removing the config from configuration.yaml it still tells me ZHA is already configured so I am not allowed to add it again
austere patio
You deleted the integration?
novel crown
yes
austere patio
Try restarting HA core
novel crown
removed zigbee.db too just in case
austere patio
Oh, you don't want to do that if you want to migrate your network
austere patio
Odd. In that case, try restoring the old backup with the conbee configuration and just directly edit /config/.storage/core.config_entries.
novel crown
nvm, I did a stupid
seems like, even tho I was 100% sure I deleted it, I just clicked deactivate, or some other quirk.
on that note: seems like it's working. All my deviced are back there
austere patio
Are you able to communicate with any routers?
It may take a few minutes for the route cache to be re-built so some things may not immediately work
novel crown
they are not showing entities yet tho
yea, I will give it a time. Gotta fix some other stuff yet
austere patio
If you deleted zigbee.db they may not show up
novel crown
I reuploaded the DB
gonna restart this machine real quick and then see if they show up
seems like it all worked. Devices are reporting. Only one missing are a few battery devices
thank you for your help
austere patio
No problem, glad someone with a real Conbee network was able to test it successfully
novel crown
I can report no issues. Creating and restorting the stick via zigpy-cli worked flawless.
Seems like it lost the entities names I gave them tho. But I dont think that's related to zigpy-cli
novel crown
hmm, seems to be not working actually. Devices dont receive/accept commands
guess the values that they showed me where the last entries from the zigbee.db
austere patio
What did the zigpy radio znp ... restore command output?
With the verbosity flags I had in the PR, it would have generated a ton of output
You can hotplug the coordinator to run it again, ZHA will re-connect once it's back
novel crown
austere patio
Hmm, let me double check with my sticks
novel crown
mmm, maybe I choose the wrong usb device
austere patio
Do zigpy radio deconz ... info and zigpy radio znp ... info produce similar output (the network key may be in a different format)?
Everything worked for me just now with my Conbee II and zzh
novel crown
Will check later but for now I think I may have set up ZHA wrong
what data flow control method should I juse when setting up ZHA and the coordinator manually?
I have as options: blank, hardware, software, blank
austere patio
It should have been autodetected
But the blank option is correct
You'd see in /config/home-assistant.log if there was any problem communicating with your stick
Or the exact status request failure status codes
novel crown
These were the last lines related to zigpy when I readded it. https://paste.rs/Apl Now rebooting my machine
austere patio
Looks like communication with the stick works fine but requests aren't succeeding. Do you have the Conbee physically unplugged?
novel crown
yes. only coordinator atm is the zzh stick
austere patio
Not plugged into another laptop or anything? Only more recent Conbee versions have a watchdog timer so if it's an older one, it'll keep running as long as it's powered
austere patio
Hmm, I just tested it again with a fresh HA instance and a new Conbee network with a few devices and the exact migration code from the GitHub PR. Works for me after changing radio_type to znp in .storage/core.config_entries, adjusting the path, and adding "baudrate": 115200
Are you receiving any updates at all from battery powered sensors?
novel crown
right now I am not receiving anything from even other routers, such as plgus
hearty night
my parents were here this past week and one morning at 3am their bedroom lights turned on. Checking the logs I see entries at that time indicating the lights had joined the network. Any idea what might have been going on at that time? I've seen lights turn on and join the network when there is a power blip but nothing else in the house showed this problem
austere patio
I think I know what the problem is. The frame counter is usually incremented by a few thousand when restoring but I forgot to do that in zigpy-cli. It'll naturally exceed the previous value after a while due to the coordinator trying to send more and more requests so that's probably what happened if it suddenly started working.
austere patio
my parents were here this past week and one morning at 3am their bedroom lights ...
Could they have possibly turned the lightswitch off and on? Did any OTA update automatically occur?
novel crown
automation fired and my christmas lights sucessfully turned off
all of them. So I guess it needs just some alone time to find itself.
I will give it that time by also going to sleep. Thank you very much for your support. I really appreciate it
novel crown
my parents were here this past week and one morning at 3am their bedroom lights ...
Could have been a short voltage drop causing the devices to restart and defaulting to on?
i.e. climate/heating started or similiar
hearty night
they were fast asleep when it happened so it wasn't switched on/off, I would think a power dip would have affected things house-wide, I don't know about OTA though, these lights were bought seperately
I don't know if there's a way to tell but that's pretty crappy if it cycled the lights after an update like that
since these are zigbee and not wifi can they do OTA updates like that without me pushing something to them?
these are sengled zigbee lights
austere patio
What integration are you using? If it's ZHA, did you enable OTA in the config file?
hearty night
it is zha, I don't see an ota option
austere patio
OTA for ZHA is only enabled in configuration.yaml so if you don't have anything in there, it's not OTA
hearty night
ok yeah I've only handled zha config through the UI
and I don't see anything about zha in configuration.yaml
worldly spade
I just set up mosquitto/zigbee2mqtt and registered some lights but I don't see them enumerated in Configutation > Devices like the tutorials I'm watching show. How can I find the lights?
void helm
I want to migrate from the sonnof zigbee bridge to a conbee 2 (I have a lot of devices (aqara) that just disconnect and never come back until I resync them). Will I need to repair everything or is the "security" managed by ZHA and the hardware is "just hardware"? Also taking opinions on whether that will help with my issue
austere patio
I want to migrate from the sonnof zigbee bridge to a conbee 2 (I have a lot of d...
At the moment ZHA does not keep track of network security info, it's all stored in the coordinator
void helm
thanks, better do the switch before adding new devices then
austere patio
If you have a ton of devices there is a less-than-tested migration path from the EZSP coordinator to the Conbee 2, but it requires manually typing in some network settings and running a few command line tools
void helm
not a ton, like 20ish
the zigbee bridge was usefull because it's wifi, I can drop it in the middle of the house. Whereas my server, when I'll use conbee 2, is in a corner of the house. Hopefully, router devices will do their job correctly
austere patio
The Zigbee bridge having WiFi + Zigbee in the same box is probably contributing to your problem
There are also Ethernet coordinators available (e.g. https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2, others may currently be in stock) that might work better for your use case
long marsh
Here is a picture of my zigbee map. I'm using zigbee2mqtt. is there a problem if most of my devices don't have a line connecting them to the main hub? why is that?
austere patio
The network map is more or less best-effort. The software asks each router one-by-one to do a neighbor scan and then shows you the results. If a device doesn't support that command or a scan hasn't been performed, it won't show up in the map.
long marsh
Is there a better way to evaluate my network?
austere patio
Is something broken?
long marsh
Potentially but I'm not sure if its zigbee or not. I was trying to rule it out as best as possible.
I have an Ikea remote that I set up in node red to turn off a light group I made in my config.yaml (home assistant)
It's almost like its a 45% chance to work or not. you just have to keep clicking the button and sometimes the group will turn on/off
austere patio
Those LQI values are pretty high. Are you using a Conbee?
long marsh
yep
austere patio
Do you have it on a USB extension cable and away from USB 3.0 ports, 2.4GHz routers, raspberry pi's, etc.?
austere patio
Was that the way it was setup before or did you just add the cable?
long marsh
it's been like that
I have moved it around to try different locations but it has always been on the cable. it has had this issue in this position.
austere patio
Mine had issues until I used two cables 🤷♂️
Then it was happy in one specific spot with a single cable
I'm not sure how Z2M debug logging works for normal installations but the problem is easy to spot: channel access failure errors when you try sending requests
long marsh
does it require a specific type of cable?
austere patio
It'd be in the debug log
long marsh
after a while (20 seconds after pressing the button and the lights not turning on) I get these:
I don't know what to make of it.
error Publish 'set' 'state' to 'kitchen_can_light_01' failed: 'Error: Command 0xb0ce181403531f76/1 genOnOff.off({}, {"sendWhenActive":false,"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (no response received)'
error Publish 'set' 'state' to 'kitchen_can_light_03' failed: 'Error: Command 0xb0ce181403531f38/1 genOnOff.on({}, {"sendWhenActive":false,"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (no response received)'```
text version if that helpsI'm not too familiar with Z2M so the error logs don't mean much to me but I suggest moving the Conbee to a new spot
long marsh
I'm not too familiar with Z2M so the error logs don't mean much to me but I sugg...
do you use something else?
austere patio
I use ZHA but the software doesn't make much of a difference if the coordinator is the problem
long marsh
noob question alert: what would the coordinator be in this situation? the stick?
austere patio
Yes
It does a brief scan every time you ask it to send something. If it thinks there's too much RF noise, it doesn't send it.
long marsh
interesting. I will try and move it around.
lilac wharf
I have a single zigbee smart switch; all my others are WiFi ones flashed with Tasmota
viral willow
Is there anything here that shows anything other than a weak signal? Is there something better than a bulb for range? These two devices are 12 feet apart.
https://pastebin.com/RgZ3h70D
gleaming jay
@lilac wharf do you have any issues having that many wifi devices on your network?
viral willow
I have a single zigbee smart switch; all my others are WiFi ones flashed with Ta...
How do they work out when someone turns them off at the switch and then you turn it back on? Does tasmota blink until it is paired again or lose pairing if left off too long?
Wifi seems so much easier to get working but my bulbs kept losing pairing and would blink if my kids left a switch off overnight.
Planning to rewire everything using passthrough ZigBee switches if I can get even a basic setup working reliably.
lilac wharf
<@!562095811186524190> do you have any issues having that many wifi devices on y...
Nope
lilac wharf
How do they work out when someone turns them off at the switch and then you turn...
I'm confused
The smart switches always have power, so they're always connected to WiFi. That being said, a tasmota device will reconnect to WiFi no problem if it's powered on after being physically powered off
viral willow
The smart switches always have power, so they're always connected to WiFi. That ...
Yeah I meant bulbs themselves, I don't have any wifi switches so I guess my question doesn't make sense for that lol
Really just want to figure out ytf 2 routing ZigBee bulbs won't connect when they are 12 feet apart and in direct line of sight -.- are cree bulbs just shit or?
austere patio
Really just want to figure out ytf 2 routing ZigBee bulbs won't connect when the...
What do you mean by "won't connect"?
austere patio
Are you permitting joins through just the coordinator or are you clicking the big rounded button in the bottom right of the screen?
viral willow
Maybe one of them is just bad?
I tried the join all button at the bottom and also tried using that closest bulb and permitting from that bulb only
twilit narwhal
anyone use zigbee for light switches?
I have zigbee light switches (wifi ones are hard to find when there's no neutral line in the walls)
viral willow
I don't think a different coordinator will solve this issue, I think it either has to be a bad bulb or a poor quality bulb. Unless there's something I'm doing stupid
novel crown
does it require a specific type of cable?
try a shielded usb extention cord!
long junco
I am having problems with open-coordinator-backup failing to backup. I have tried to put all the details together here https://pastebin.com/g897GKyr and would appreciate any feedback on what I have done wrong. Thanks
violet dagger
sonoff dongle 3.0 is back in stock
long junco
try this: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2
Thanks I will give it a go later, once I have backed up HA again.
obsidian sandalBOT
raven jewel
anyone use zigbee for light switches?
I have an Aqara D1 switch in my apartment, without a neutral (as my wiring doesn't have that), and it's great. If I didn't prefer the white ambiance lights elsewhere I'd have these in all my rooms.
drifting raven
@karmic trench
austere patio
I am having problems with open-coordinator-backup failing to backup. I have tr...
Bellows is only for Silicon Labs radios. If you're trying to back up a CC2531, either use zigpy-znp's network backup tool or use the zigpy cli with the znp radio type
viral willow
What does "enable identify effect" do?
Blinks the bulb so you know which one that entity is for
long junco
Bellows is only for Silicon Labs radios. If you're trying to back up a CC2531, e...
Thank you. Before I launch on doing this, what I was hoping to to was to backup the CC2531 and restore it to a Conbee 2 stick, would this be possible or do I need to forget about doing it this way and repair all my devices.
sour shadow
IMO you should only switch to the ConBee if you're going to run deCONZ
long junco
Oh dear that means I have wasted £40GPB
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
It's ok with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT, but complaints are fairly common
long junco
So if I get "SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus" can I back up the existing one and restore on that or is that not possible, if one needs Bellows and the other needs Zigpy. I am afraid I am not very good with all this variant hardware.
molten linden
that Sonoff uses a TI CC2652 radio so also uses the zigpy-znp lib and you can pull a network backup and restore to it with the tools
austere patio
Thank you. Before I launch on doing this, what I was hoping to to was to back...
It's possible if you upgrade the firmware on the Conbee, just use the commands in https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2 but change the order around. There's an outstanding firmware "bug" with the Conbee that might affect the migration so it may not work perfectly.
long junco
Thank you for the suggestion.
austere patio
Just make sure to save a picture of the original Conbee box. If you ever decide to use deCONZ, it gets very broken when used with a Conbee whose IEEE address was changed.
barren wolf
would it be possible to control my lights via deconz and my thermostats via zigbee home automation? both solutions are either good for one and bad for the other
austere patio
You'd need two coordinators
austere patio
Yeah. But if you're planning on using something with ZHA, get a CC2652 stick or an Elelabs one
sour shadow
barren wolf
my current problem is: with deconz i can control my lights flawlessly, my thermostats not at all. with zigbee home automation i can control my thermostats flawlessly, my lights not at all. is there maybe a software solution to it?
austere patio
What exact lights (model/manufacturer as shown in deCONZ)?
dapper moth
Have you tried Zigbee2mqtt? Maybe it would work well for both?
sour shadow
That's not a light 😛
barren wolf
one second, i will have to find them
dapper moth
It is supposed to have better device support than either of the 2
sour shadow
ZHA has, generally, the widest device support
dapper moth
I have not use z2m yet though, and ZHA works for me.
sour shadow
Z2M simply has the most detailed documentation on what's supported
austere patio
Z2M explicitly supports everything it claims to support. ZHA "supports" everything and fixes broken devices individually.
dapper moth
Ahhhhh, ok. I can only speak to what I've heard before, since I've not used z2m before. 🤷♀️ Either way, it might still be a solution, because if it can handle both well, then there we go.
sour shadow
I'd be very surprised if Z2M supports anything "better" than ZHA for any length of time
(I say this as a fan and user of Z2M)
barren wolf
What exact lights (model/manufacturer as shown in deCONZ)?
LDS ZBT-RGBWLight-C4700114 is that the name?
austere patio
In either case, it's just a software problem. Any integration can support any device, with enough volunteer effort
barren wolf
LDS ZBT-RGBWLight-C4700114 is that the name?
SCHWAIGER - HAL550 LED bulb (GU10) RGBW or that but i assume they are rebranded lights
austere patio
Looks like Z2M doesn't support it: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/issues/3080
barren wolf
yeah i bought these before checking the compatibility lists
austere patio
Or one that's very close. The original model info doesn't appear in its device list.
But I don't see it in the deCONZ REST plugin's equivalent so it doesn't seem to be explicitly supported there either
So in theory, it should be equally functional with ZHA
barren wolf
i see them in ZHA but i cannot change the colour or turn them on/off
austere patio
And you can with deCONZ?
barren wolf
yes
austere patio
Interesting. Open up an issue in the ZHA quirks repo if you want someone to take a look: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues
barren wolf
i will do that, thank you. it also applies to a light which is from a different manufacturer. just to be sure and in case i didnt skip any necessary steps, i basically just plugged my lights in, installed home assistant os, plugged my conbee 2 in and my zigbee devices were connected (they were already connected to the conbee prior to this). since then i havent done any changes to them software-wise
well, another restart of home assistant apparently just fixed it. maybe i have to restart my pi daily
thank you all for your replies and help
mild knot
any recommendations on a zigbee outlet with power monitoring? I cant seem to find any that say if they report the power usage. I have a zwave one that does, but its $35 and I need some zigbee repeaters around the house
dapper moth
Sengled has a 2 pack, and I know they have power monitoring
It's not advertised, but I have it right there in my HA.
Sengled Smart Plugs, ZigBee Hub Required, Works with SmartThings and Amazon Echo with Built-in Hub, Voice Control with Alexa and Google Home, 15Amp Smart Socket, ETL Listed, 2 Pack
mild knot
thanks, Ill check those out
inland coral
any recommendations on a zigbee outlet with power monitoring? I cant seem to fin...
What country plug bro?
mild knot
US
inland coral
I have these, except with a differnt country's plug. They work nicely. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002318310374.html
mild knot
One thing about the power monitoring those pull, @dapper moth someone's screenshots shows it only exposes a Energy value in Watts. The zwave one I have also shows A, V, and kWh. Are all those calculatable from the W? Or is the zwave one actually sending more information? @inland coral do yours only expose a single energy value too? I'm not 100% sure if I need these other values, just curious
dapper moth
Only W, and kWh, no A or V.
Are you sure you need A and V?
You can't calculate Amps and Volts from only the wattage, you'd need at least 2 values to calculate it, so your leave one is just sending additional data
mild knot
what would be an example use case for knowing A and V?
dapper moth
Thinking about it, you could probably estimate the amperage, if you assume V to be 120 (or 240 if not in the US). That said, not gonna be 100% accurate.
Amperage could be useful if you are wanting to see if something is pulling more amperage than expected.... Bit you'd see that in Watts as well, because if Voltage is always 120, then W going up means Amps going up.
So I dunno what use case there is unless you live somewhere that has both 120V and 240V, maybe. (If that's even a thing)
lilac wharf
That's common in the US. 240V for stuff like central air conditioning, electric stoves/dryers (🤢), and so on, and 120V for everything else
dapper moth
Yeah, but a standard smart plug couldn't fit into a 240V slot, afaik. Could be wrong though.
At least here in the states.
dapper moth
Fair enough 😂
I guess another reason you'd need to know the amps (which again, you could probably roughly calculate) is you could turn the socket off if the amperage is getting close to 15amp so that you don't A) trip a breaker or B) fry the plug...
But you really REALLY shouldn't be using a smart plug for anything that could be pulling that kind of amperage.
So again, just knowing the wattage should be enough?
tropic depot
Sengled has a 2 pack, and I know they have power monitoring
These are really good
In addition to being relatively cheap energy monitoring plugs they are also very good zigbee routers from what I have seen so far
They hold a lot of children and the reported Signal strength seems to be consistently higher than other devices I have
hushed hamlet
So I went away for the long weekend, my zigbee devices (aqara sensors) got disconnected, they show as unavailable, reconfigure doesn't seem to do anything. I tried removing a device and manually re-pairing it; since then it only sent 1 incorrect reading. Not sure what to do, have been using ZHA.
austere patio
So I went away for the long weekend, my zigbee devices (aqara sensors) got disco...
Incorrect readings and falling off the network? Have you tried changing their batteries?
hushed hamlet
No, but they're only a week old
visual estuary
how do I change device specific options for a device?
it says configuration.yaml but that doesnt have my zigbee devices in it
violet dagger
not HA configuration.yaml
sour shadow
Those are the Z2M docs, so it refers to Z2M's configuration - not HA's
visual estuary
where do I find Z2M's configuration.yml file? it is not in the /addons/data/z2m folder. that only contains options.json
sour shadow
You can use Z2M's own UI for some things, otherwise I've no idea what the add-on does
raven marsh
I can't get my lights from lidl to work correctly with ZHA. on/off and brightness works, but color doesn't work from HA.
https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Lidl_HG06106C.html
I'm using EZSP as zigbee coordinator (a hacked silvercrest device). can someone help me with a little troubleshooting? I've been at it for quite a while and don't know how to continue
sour shadow
Please answer the question in the channel topic
raven marsh
I'm sorry, do you mean for me to say I'm using ZHA?
sour shadow
Yes
raven marsh
I edited my message. I thought EZSP meant I was using ZHA, but that was a faulty assumption
sour shadow
We see the same with people assuming that because they're using a ConBee they could only be using deCONZ
raven marsh
so I can turn them on/off and change the brightness, but I can't set color. I can change the color temperature with the slider, but it seems to be random. when I set it so a different value with the slider, it'll take a seemingly random temperature.
raven marsh
I've tried removing and re-adding a lamp, but it keeps ending up with the same behavior
ivory hound
my 2 cents Lidl should stay at selling oranges and potatoes
they have no business with zigbee
violet dagger
HEY! their tools are very good for the price
ivory hound
neahh everything i tested zigbee was very poor quality and ended up trowing
violet dagger
that is a true statement
ivory hound
i was overjoyed for the price and then turned out to be wasted money
violet dagger
since it was Tuya all along
ivory hound
exactly
sour shadow
Their LED strip was ok, but the plugs were terrible IMO
violet dagger
i opened the box and as soon as i held it in my hand that cheap feeling washed over me. blitzwolf quality is much better
raven marsh
I don't disagree, HellCry. they're not great lights. but others seem to be able to control them just fine, so I don't know why I'm having issues. I'm now trying to setup zigbee2mqtt, maybe that'll be able to control them correctly
ivory hound
@raven marsh was is your zigbee coordinator and what integration?
raven marsh
I have the silvercrest device, hacked that. then I ran EZSP with ZHA.
lunar tulip
I picked up one of the Lidl zigbee controllable socket plugs from clearance bin. Best bang for buck zigbee device I own so far. Does exactly what it supposed to, holds the plug for a lamp and turns on/off on demand.
thick plover
running zigbee2mqtt here -have just restarted the pi that z2m and MQTT Broker are running on, none of my zigbee devices are showing up in HA anymore (all unavailable) any pointers where I should be looking? can confirm both z2m and mosquitto are running
can control items in z2m web UI, but nothing coming up in HA...
jolly narwhal
what does the HA log say ?
thick plover
says that its connected to the MQTT server... that is all
jolly narwhal
was that before or after you restarted the pi ?
thick plover
after
sour shadow
Have you checked to see if HA can see any of the messages?
thick plover
in MQTT? All I can see under the homeassistant topic is status = online
-> Integrations -> MQTT -> Configure
thick plover
alright i told it to listen to zigbee2mqtt
sour shadow
Try #
thick plover
ah yeah, that returned a lot...
sour shadow
Then HA is able to receive messages
Now try listening to zigbee2mqtt/# and restart Z2M
thick plover
it can see all the devices when i do that. restarting it now
sour shadow
Last thing to check will be that Z2M is configured with HA's MQTT Discovery option enabled
thick plover
just deleting a few items in z2m from when we moved house 3 weeks ago and realised i left my temp sensor in the old bathroom 😢
aha everythings back and saying its online 🙂
thanks lads
raven marsh
I can't get my lights from lidl to work correctly with ZHA. on/off and brightnes...
so I installed zigbee2mqtt and now I can control the lamps correctly. probably something in ZHA that doesn't work with the lidl lights.
dawn sequoia
Is anyone using a synology nas as their zigbee2mqtt service and have the coordinator connected to it?
Thanks
inland coral
@dawn sequoia What's the issue? this could be a docker question, rather than synology question
severe harbor
im looking for some zigbee spotlights to light up some outdoor columns i have. any recommendations?
sour shadow
Where in the world are you?
severe harbor
230 lumens
sour shadow
Where you're highlighting the column - washing it with light - rather than making it a here's the column everybody spotlight
severe harbor
its 20 or so feet
sour shadow
If it's a narrow angle spot it'll probably be fine, but if it's wide then not so much
sour shadow
If you just want a gentle light on it, maybe... If you really want it to stand out or there's going to be other lighting that may drown it out... not so much
It's Amazon though - you can always return it 🤣
severe harbor
do you have recommendation of something better?
i found some wifi lights that might work but didnt see how id hook them into home-assistant
severe harbor
ah fair
inland coral
These work fine, around 500lm for the spotlights:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNQnlke
Which is still not that bright, but depends how big your columns are
primal echo
Anyone have recomendations for zigbee sticks? In NorthEurope if that matters for type.
Found this aswell, is this better than the usb sticks?
https://phoscon.de/en/raspbee2
severe harbor
ive had good luck with deconz stick
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
Personally I'd only recommend the RaspBee if you already have one - GPIO units limit your upgrade options for the host you run HA on
obsidian condor
It looks that all these zigbee light switches are so tiny that they dont cover USA 2 gang wall hole not even close. I have seen some adapters but they seems to cost as much as switch itself.
how you guys have handled this situation?
sour shadow
Buy a switch module that goes behind the switch so you have the look you want, and accept that home automation isn't a cheap hobby
upbeat bronze
Hi all, can anyone please help me understand how do I "match" between a child and a parent which is NOT the coordinator?
sour shadow
Are you talking about binding?
upbeat bronze
I have a permanent power zigbee unit which I want to connect a child to (the child is closer to that unit than to the main coordinator)
jolly narwhal
Or selective pairing
sour shadow
ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?
upbeat bronze
ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?
Zigbee2MQTT
upbeat bronze
Or selective pairing
Maybe? I don't know the terminology
austere patio
If you're talking about forcing a child device to pick a parent that's not the coordinator, you generally can't
You can do it temporarily by resetting the device and joining it to the network by only permitting joins through that one router, but once it's on the network it's free to choose a new parent later
sour shadow
upbeat bronze
If you're talking about forcing a child device to pick a parent that's not the c...
Why it doesn't choose a router if it's link to it is better?
austere patio
How do you know it's better?
austere patio
Also, what's the child device?
upbeat bronze
How do you know it's better?
Physically closer
sour shadow
Doesn't mean anything
upbeat bronze
Also, what's the child device?
Xiaomi button (battery)
austere patio
That's the one exception 😆
sour shadow
Xiaomi are mostly sticky, but I've had mine change parents
Xiaomi also will join via the first device they hear from
austere patio
I was only ever able to get my motion sensors to do it. Temp/humidity and buttons, not so much.
sour shadow
I've never tried to force it TBH
jolly narwhal
I've never needed to force it either
upbeat bronze
Would it be a good idea to reconnect it to the network while permitting only the wanted router?
jolly narwhal
Strong mesh crew
sour shadow
You can try, but unless you're an RF engineer you probably want to let the mesh sort itself out
ashen coral
New update: ZZH arrived. Does not exhibit the same weird behavior as the Conbee 1 in z2m.
austere patio
New update: ZZH arrived. Does not exhibit the same weird behavior as the Conbee ...
What weird behavior?
ashen coral
Not fully connecting remotes, mainly.
austere patio
Fully connecting?
ashen coral
Hue dimmers e.g. pair and negotiate fine, but lose connection 15 seconds later.
austere patio
Were you running the latest firmware for the Conbee?
ashen coral
However - starting up deconz with the same stick, pressing a button on the dimmer and then shutting deconz down again and everything works fine in z2m - the remote keeps the connection.
Tried latest, second latest and fourth latest.
austere patio
Which remote is it?
ashen coral
And this IKEA one does exactly the same thing https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/E1524_E1810.html
On that one, the deconz trick made the brightness and scene buttons work, but not the toggle button.
austere patio
Oh, just the older hue remote I was planning on picking up. I'll have to check this problem out later.
primal echo
Can someone help me out with these recommendations?
Are there 3 different zigbee protocols?
Does the CC2652 work with all 3?
Would all devices that work with Zigbee work with any of these reccomendations?
ashen coral
Nearly: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ Edit: Maybe not nearly at all, come to think of it.
sour shadow
CC2652 works with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT
That however "summarises" the options (yes, it's a long summary)
In theory any Zigbee device will work with ZHA or Z2M, it may just require work
austere patio
"(you can't add unsupported devices yourself)." should be removed from that bot's info, custom quirks let you drop a .py file into a folder and replace any existing quirk/write your own with little effort
sour shadow
Is that documented?
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
primal echo
@sour shadow Would Zigbee2MQTT sticks be recommended for someone new?
primal echo
This still says (you can't add unsupported devices yourself). if that was supposed to change.
sour shadow
<@!332579266623438848> Would Zigbee2MQTT sticks be recommended for someone new?
The sticks aren't the integration
If you want the simplest route use ZHA
austere patio
Yeah, deCONZ's a bit more complicated 😅
sour shadow
deCONZ... is not something I'd recommend
primal echo
Alright, will go for ZHA then sounds like.
austere patio
Can someone help me out with these recommendations?
Are there 3 different zigbee...
There's only one Zigbee protocol and each integration lets you interact with a Zigbee network. Each integration started off supporting different USB coordinators but they all nowadays (with the exception of deCONZ) work with the same set of sticks. It's just a matter of how tightly you want the Zigbee integration to be coupled with Home Assistant itself.
primal echo
Ah alright, so you have Home automation, on that i install ZHA in some way, and ZHA talks through Zigbee with the lamps?
So basically ZHA is the interface?
primal echo
Lovely, even better
After some quick googling this looks decent Nortek HUSBZB-1 . Anyone tested it?
austere patio
It's not the latest and greatest (especially for the price) but it works well with ZHA (and experimentally with Z2M) so if you want something compatible with both, get a CC2652.
sour shadow
If you're planning on using Z-Wave in the future you'll regret that stick
primal echo
You didn't read the bot message, did you?
Well thats embarasing, did not connect that 😅
cold obsidian
I live in Germany. How does it work to make an Light-Switch smart? Does I need a Power-Plug (220v) to be able to have a null line?
sour shadow
You really need neutral to the switch
An electrician should be able to do that
There are no-neutral dimmers though, but they work by leaving power running to the bulb
ornate cove
Hello there!
I'm quite new in domotic, and for now I have some Philips Hue devices and the Philips Bridge as well.
Working in IT, I was talking with a colleague, and he talked me about Home Assistant.
If I've understood well, if I use it in a server, I can use quite a lot of devices in zigbee, without the different bridges (Philips, xiaomi, Ikea or other).
Is that true?
jolly narwhal
Yes
I run five different vendors currently on zigbee2mqtt
On a pi 🤢 with a zzh electrolama usb coordinator 🥳
ornate cove
yeah, just need to use the zigbee2mqtt intergration to do that?
jolly narwhal
You need to run zigbee2mqtt, somewhere
Doesn't have to be the same host as HA
That instance of zigbee2mqtt needs to be connected to your mqtt broker
Which needs to be connected to HA
ashen coral
And you'll need a piece of hardware to replace the bridges. Like the mentioned ZZH.
sour shadow
jolly narwhal
ornate cove
thanks
cold obsidian
@sour shadow I've found some on AliExpress which point out "without neutral", but in the comments I found they are only for bulbs an up to 5w.
I wonder where to get a neutral if there are only 3 lightswitches in a row and no powerplug
sour shadow
There are pinned messages with lists of known working hardware
mellow stirrup
I currently have my zigbee network on a nortek dual zwave/zigbee stick and as of late i have been having tons of issues with my zigbee network and sensors randomly dropping off and picking back up continually. I was able to get ahold of a sonoff zigbee 3.0 dongle and would like to move my zigbee over to this stick. Is it possible to do this since i would technically have 2 zigbee sticks?
austere patio
If the second stick's Zigbee "half" isn't running, it should work fine
Though I would investigate why your network performance has degraded. Sticks don't really get old and fall apart so switching to a new coordinator may not help.
See the discussion here (https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/discussions/90) for instructions on how to back up the network settings from your HUSBZB-1 so you can restore them to the Sonoff stick
mellow stirrup
Thanks - I'm not sure why its been so crappy lately but i currently have 15 Zigbee devices and as i look at it right now 6 of them have dropped off again!
austere patio
SSHing into HA OS isn't super straightforward so here are some instructions for that: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#installation
mellow stirrup
I should just be able to use the "Terminal" that i already have on HA correct?
austere patio
Not sure, I don't run the OS. As long as you can access the correct Docker container running Home Assistant itself, it'll work.
viral willow
@molten linden is your site having issues?
uneven ruin
Thanks - I'm not sure why its been so crappy lately but i currently have 15 Zigb...
Have you scanned for wifi channels in your area? might have a new neighbor causing interference depending on how close people are
molten linden
<@335253934954512384> is your site having issues?
Yea looks like cloudflare or square are having issues.. maybe try in a bit.
cerulean abyss
What would people think is best, ZHA or Z2MQTT (based purely on how simple it is to add a device and configure a device)
austere patio
Z2M exposes attribute reporting configuration options and manufacturer-specific stuff in a nicer way (for now)
But most devices you just join and forget about so I don't think you can really get much easier than clicking "add device" and the device appearing when it joins your network
viral willow
If one of them had a way to be added to an app like smart life or Google home it would be the best, for users just starting out anyway. Need to get control of everything in one place before I can think of automating anything.
lovelace is a big time commitment to build out my own dash manually for a newer user lol
autumn warren
So I switched from ZHA to Z2MQTT today and I'm having trouble adding in my Yale YRD226 back in. On the lock, I leave the zigbee network and rejoin, and it says it joins a network, but it's not showing in Z2MQTT
My bulbs were found fine though
dawn sequoia
<@!300242410338910209> What's the issue? this could be a docker question, rathe...
No issue. My dad wants a NAS
Was thinking of sugguesting that he gets a Synology. Was hoping I could plug in an zzh, and run zigbee2mqtt and have HA in the container solution they have
inland coral
I would build your own, so you know how stuff works 😉
vestal atlas
DSM 7 (the new synology os) does not support usb serial devices out of the box so you need to do some hackery to get it working in docker. You can run a linux VM and pass the usb device to it also. Have not tried either
inland coral
And this is why you do it yourself, rather than being constrained by what some company allows you to do and then working around it 😄
vestal atlas
well you can still do whatever, you get root access to the device. Break it if you want 😅
earnest hinge
yeah but if you do shit in the synology os you have to jump through hoops to make it persistent and still work after you update dsm.its generaly just a big waste of time
jolly narwhal
@dawn sequoia the UK shop miniitx might have some good Christmas deals, cheaper shipping too
median jasper
anyone who can help me out by performing #4? (I have the converter file and the icon jpg)
ashen coral
I found something were the Conbee is better than ZZH. It seems to be better at pairing with IKEA bulbs at larger distance.
ashen coral
...which kind of sucks, because this means I'll have to take down my outside lights to pair them...
...which kind of sucks, because it's snowing...
...which doesn't suck at all.
jolly narwhal
Nah, just flip the house power 6 times
ashen coral
Yeah, except that's what didn't work because ZZH can't pair with an ikea bulb on the other side of the house.
Worked great for the conbee, though.
Maybe this is when I switch all the external bulbs to HUEs...
vestal atlas
pairing should happen from any router afaik. Maybe you could try to enable pairing via a router close by
median jasper
hmm... made a backup to move to hassos. did install and restore backup. All Zigbee devices is "lost" in entities. They are all still and working in zwave2mqtt.... this is both for the entities on the main computer and the zigbee from my remote installation which also runs zigbee2mqtt.
Any easy way to get them all back as entities?
ashen coral
If mqtt is setup correct at both ends, I'd guess restarting z2m should resend all the discovery messages.
median jasper
mqtt is set and at the remote pointing at the main installation where the server is running. I can see in the log that it has connected.... I'll take yet another restart (have done multiple after restoring the backup.)
ashen coral
And mqtt discovery is setup in hass?
median jasper
on the remote I have only the zigbee2mqtt directed at the main installation. all devices visible and working from dashboard in the zigbee2mqtt. Nothing visible in entities.
On the main installation zigbee2mqtt pointing at mqtt://core-mosquitto:1883 mosquitto broker addon and integration installed. Zigbee2mqtt has all the devices and they are working.
Under mosquitto integration I have 3 sensor with name unavailable and appears to be some sensors.. Under entities nothing.
I should have had about 10 zigbee devices from the remote and about 20 from the main.
I'm new to this so still trial and error 🙂
I have not changed anything after the restore so somethign has been lost during backup - restore I assume?
The remote unit is the same. Main unit moved from supervised to hassos install on new computer
viral willow
So, question. If I upgrade the tubezb USB adapter, and add Ethernet, can apps that allow configuring a local gateway like smart life/tuya connect directly to it?
dawn sequoia
I would build your own, so you know how stuff works 😉
Also considering that
dawn sequoia
<@300242410338910209> the UK shop miniitx might have some good Christmas deals, ...
Cheers!
austere patio
So, question. If I upgrade the tubezb USB adapter, and add Ethernet, can apps th...
The Ethernet connection is just serial, it doesn't expose any new functionality
viral willow
The Ethernet connection is just serial, it doesn't expose any new functionality
Is there any firmware or software I can use to make it look like an off the shelf tuya or other gateway so I can connect apps?
Being a control freak I can't just automate and have no direct control without going through HA lol
The baby casa cloud does a lot of what I want, but not totally
Nabu*
austere patio
Not that I know of. Besides, it'd be easier to make HA look like one of those hubs than write firmware for the ESP32
viral willow
Makes more sense to allow other apps to connect than be forced to control everything through HA interface, but it is what it is. I might have to move to another platform to find what I want.
Most of the things I use in HA are ran with a docker compose stack these days anyway
lilac wharf
Makes more sense to allow other apps to connect than be forced to control everyt...
I'd say that makes less sense tbh
viral willow
And that's the disconnect. Many new users are looking for exactly that. I want the nice app and control and split out from the rest of my home controls, without 900 hours editing Lovelace dashboards, or having to edit it when I add new devices. With an app I just add the new device to a room and I'm done.
lilac wharf
But then what's the point of HA in that scenario?
lunar tulip
But then what's the point of HA in that scenario?
100% off topic for the channel, but I think there is void for super lazy without buying into single ecosystem. Which seems to be reoccurring theme. 😉
People wants to use what ever devices happen to be on sales bin today, without needing to do automations, GUI design, or god forbid the integration work themselves. They just want to pair the devices in their system and use them.
viral willow
But then what's the point of HA in that scenario?
Use ha, when you want, but also be able to control it with other apps and integrations. Directly to Google home, Alexa, with dozens of different apps that are compatible with zigbee coordinators, and also still be able to use them in HA with automations. We shouldn't have to pick and choose HA OR other ecosystems when the api they expect out of a gateway is fairly simple just because some core people don't understand some people's individual use case.
austere patio
People wants to use what ever devices happen to be on sales bin today, without n...
Then you want to have a very long discussion with Tuya, Aqara, and every other manufacturer out there that throws darts at the spec to see what pages they're going to follow when designing a new product.
viral willow
Nah the rest api is fairly universal as far as I've seen, and even if it isn't adding a few extra endpoints to support a different spec is easy once the framework is up. The problem isn't that it is difficult, it's that everyone seems to be against it and that's stifling new features.
lilac wharf
Use ha, when you want, but also be able to control it with other apps and integr...
What you're asking is already possible in many cases (Philips Hue for example). This project is developed mostly by volunteers so if it's possible to implement what you're asking for there would need to be someone who's interested in developing it
viral willow
Go through all the hassle of getting the zigbee stuff into ha and then have a hard time with the wifi devices, when apps are out there that already can control the zigbee, z-wave, wifi, and Bluetooth devices in one app without all the other stuff there that people can fuck up when they are just trying to turn your lights kn
lunar tulip
Then you want to have a very long discussion with Tuya, Aqara, and every other m...
Oh I have no interest for that myself. I rather not let any of my devices to talk to their manufacturers systems about my usage if I just can avoid it. In general I'm very happy to stick with stuff that I can run locally and integrate them with HA and do the work to make it fit into my needs.
lunar tulip
Go through all the hassle of getting the zigbee stuff into ha and then have a ha...
You can do what you are describing. Just connect each ecosystem to their own hubs and use the cloud integrations to pipe them back to your HA, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and anyone else you want to have taps on your life.
viral willow
I'm interested in it, but every answer to a question is always "nope, use ha, why would you want to even do that" like it's really really stupid to want it lol
You don't need to let any of it talk to their cloud to have connection to a local gateway
austere patio
I meant that in response to supporting any device from the sale bin. Not gonna happen unless each one is manually whitelisted likeZ2M or people accept that device support is variable.
lunar tulip
I'm interested in it, but every answer to a question is always "nope, use ha, wh...
I'm pretty confident that most of those apps don't even talk to their hubs locally.
austere patio
That's why manufacturers have relatively closed ecosystems
viral willow
I'll try diyhue again, it's meant for exactly what I want it's just young in it's development. Maybe I'll PR there.
For the smart life app when I want to connect a gateway I can enter a local IP. The only time it uses the cloud is if you control it from outside your house or use it through Google home or Alexa.
lilac wharf
Try blocking internet access to that gateway and see if it continues to work
viral willow
Yeah I don't have one lol, trying not to buy 20 devices to do what 2 dongles and a home server should easily do lol
Diyhue is probably going to be my friend. I got my range issue situated, so I really want to get into something. Bored of my other development projects right now and need something interesting.
lunar tulip
Yeah I don't have one lol, trying not to buy 20 devices to do what 2 dongles and...
So why don't you go and convince all those ecosystem vendors to make their apps talk to HA and you can achieve that ;P
lilac wharf
What I don't think you're understanding is that something like the smart life app would have no idea what to do with a device that it doesn't explicitly support
lunar tulip
Ohh, riight because they have no interest to let you use their app without buying into their hub
viral willow
What I don't think you're understanding is that something like the smart life ap...
I perfectly understand. I've been developing software for 30 years lol, the tuya gateway api has long been reverse engineered, as has the hue api. Convincing some Chinese company to support a free software isn't ever going to happen, it's supposed to be the other way around, the open source community coming up with solutions.
lilac wharf
So...develop a solution then
If you're upset that nobody has done it, why not lead the charge?
lunar tulip
I perfectly understand. I've been developing software for 30 years lol, the tuya...
I see, so why don't you write an API wrapper Tuya<->z2m for example?
And point your app to that
viral willow
Not with every question I ask getting shit on for it. It's called research, figuring out what resources and knowledge is out there before I waste my time, not "why would you even want to do that"
Doesn't make sense. I have a dozen other projects I maintain so if there was something out there to contribute to that's the better option.
lilac wharf
Now I'm totally lost
lunar tulip
Not with every question I ask getting shit on for it. It's called research, figu...
I think the "Why would you ever want to do that" is extremely important question. Specially if no-one else has so far seen it interesting/important enough to start the work. Specially for something you're looking community to integrate/support/maintain.
lilac wharf
Also, for the record, my questions aren't "shitting on you" but rather to understand where you're coming from (not that I thought you were specifically talking about me though)
viral willow
There's tons of interest in it, and some work has been done. Just not necessarily with HA other than diyhue. Mostly because every time someone brings it up they get treated like they are stupid for even asking
For example, if someone has the hue app or smart life for their house, you can share your controls to them without them installing the home assistant app and trying to walk them through that. Everyone has a different use case
lilac wharf
I think we're going in circles here
That already works in many cases
You can use manufacturer gateways with the OEM app and HA in lots of cases
What you're asking for (zigbee adapter in HA host <--> OEM apps Smart Life app) does not currently exist to my knowledge
viral willow
Nah, I think you were just lost from the start of the conversation. You don't understand the why and you can't see any other uses other than your personal uses. Using separate gateways instead of a $50 dongle just because it's practically disallowed for anyone to want to connect to their own server in a different way than the majority does makes no sense.
lilac wharf
I absolutely understand the why
viral willow
Yes, it does. It's called diyhue. It works with z2m, hue, HA, deCONZ, ZHA, and other hue related apps
lilac wharf
I don't personally see a use for it, but I understand that others might
viral willow
lunar tulip
Nah, I think you were just lost from the start of the conversation. You don't un...
I still think your best bet is to write a proxy ReST api that utilizes z2m for backend and talks your vendor app ... how you make that app to talk to your local instance is then bit of a different storry
viral willow
@jokke that's what that software does
lilac wharf
Sorry, I was thinking within the context of the smart life app
I did know about diyhue
lunar tulip
specially if your quests wants to keep monitoring what's happening in their own homes through the normal cloud connection
viral willow
Trying to not have to pay that $5/month right now as well
Brb, my kid started a round on the PS4 and I'm getting crushed
lunar tulip
What I really don't understand/see is how this is HA problem.
lilac wharf
Nah, I think you were just lost from the start of the conversation. You don't un...
Also, I've been respectful to you this entire time so I'm not sure where this is coming from
Originally it sounded like you didn't want to use HA ever which is what confused me
viral willow
Honestly, sorry. I don't think it's you guys I'm just frustrated with it in general. I always get the same response and everywhere I see someone ask this question I see them get the same response. Like it isn't useful for anyone
lilac wharf
I've just been asking questions lol
viral willow
On top of that, my day isn't going so good lol, power was out for 4 hours today smh
That works out great out here in the boonies with no cell service haha
lunar tulip
Honestly, sorry. I don't think it's you guys I'm just frustrated with it in gene...
As someone who works on Open Source full time, I really understand why. Like if people are not able to explain their use case related to the project. That's what one would get quite quickly. That's why I said the question "why would you ever want to do that" is so important. If you cannot answer to that in clear and concise manner, people looses interest to do free work for your niche use case very quickly.
viral willow
I honestly don't think this use case is quite so niche, it just isn't in a normal use case for a developer type. Most everyday people would expect to be able to control it through a familiar app, imo
I could ofc use occupancy/motion sensors or whatever and automate the lights, but having some control without a full dashboard and as least confusing as possible for visitors would be amazing.
lunar tulip
I honestly don't think this use case is quite so niche, it just isn't in a norma...
I think people mostly turn into HA, OpenHab, etc. exactly for that reason. So they don't need to remember what ecosystem the Kithen light was vs. the hallway light and to not to need control them via their native apps
lunar tulip
I could ofc use occupancy/motion sensors or whatever and automate the lights, bu...
For me there are couple of things. Like if I swap a light switch there needs to be physical local control switch option for that. I would never swap your normal everyday interfaces with app, automation or voice only
viral willow
But most people use Google home or Alexa and unless you pay a monthly subscription to nabu it's a pain in the ass. All of my devices pair and work fine with hue, tuya/smart life, Lenovo link pro, or whatever, so you just need one of them to work. I just picked smart life and hue because they work with zigbee
Like, it doesn't have to be a hue bulb to use the hue app or whichever
lunar tulip
I know I'm weirdo in the automation world as I really have zero interest to speak to some damn computer. So everything I do is either automated so that I don't need to touch it or it has that familiar physiccal interface to complement the app/panels
viral willow
I'd like to use off the shelf touch panels, that link the same way and replace physical clicky switches
Everything can be automated, but sometimes you want to do something different than what your automation is set to do without getting my fat ass up and walking to the switch if that makes sense
jolly narwhal
But most people use Google home or Alexa and unless you pay a monthly subscripti...
Setting up HA to google home without nabu casa is literally a 25 minute job, and is set and forget tbh
viral willow
Setting up HA to google home without nabu casa is literally a 25 minute job, and...
You still have to create the cloud application, pick which entities to expose, etc. If it's 25 minutes and doesn't cost anything send me a link? That solves Google home but not fancy apps that control scenes.
lunar tulip
Everything can be automated, but sometimes you want to do something different th...
But that's far from what you wanted initially. As if it's matter of you being lazy, you have your HA app, or your google/alexa/iThingie Home you can yell at or control frrom your phone or computer or with voice. Now if your guests are too lazy to use normal light switch, well you have much worse things in your life than lack of 20 vendor specific gateways and apps 😆
jolly narwhal
People still press buttons?
lunar tulip
Coming back to the "Why is this HA problem" 😛
viral willow
People still press buttons?
Absolutely, not everyone's setup is at that level yet. It takes multiple stages to get to the point of not needing anything, and there's a lack of support for the entry level stages
jolly narwhal
lunar tulip
@viral willow have you ever considered lanyard and hanging one of those multi scene remotes on your neck?
lunar tulip
IIRC there are few with like 5-6 buttons that can handle 4-5 patterns ... should be enough to not bother walking to the lightswitch
livid eagle
hey guys, perhaps a stupid question. i am just starting out with Zigbee2mqtt but the devices tab on the add-on is stuck on "loading, please wait"
googling doesnt provide me with much and the documentation has been followed to the bone from what it seems
has anyone else ran into this issue in the past?
jolly narwhal
Sounds like an #add-ons-archived problem
tiny timber
So found out what my ZigBee issues were from. Turns out some Google Home devices were blasting their own SSIDs. This is only meant to happen if your network goes down, but these devices were still working fine. Rebooted them, they gracefully rejoined the network, now everything is totally fine.
So yeah, if you're having issues, maybe analyse the names of the networks around you...
jolly narwhal
Interesting, but makes sense
tiny timber
Yeah, was pretty surprised that they were blasting at such high power though. Unifi wifi analyser had them as being higher powered than my normal AP.
mental hedge
Good evening
I've got a couple of new aqara (no neutral) switches hooked up through Zigbee2mqtt, I use HA OS with Mosquitto.
I can switch them on/off from HA but HA isn't receiving an update when the switches are manually pressed. What can I do to further troubleshoot this?
Can I inspect the XML/JSON/whatever message somewhere, for example? That's what I would do at work with ActiveMQ / IBM MQ, but haven't seen a broker UI for Mosquitto
earnest hinge
thats what i did, i just made a copied the config from that other switch and put it in as an external converter
mental hedge
That's an interesting read, let's dive in. Thanks Mgolisch
twilit narwhal
That's an interesting read, let's dive in. Thanks Mgolisch
I had a similar issue, but for me it was solved by upgrading my conbee stick firmware and repairing the device. Didn't put any converter (I might try it though, as I still have an issue where I can't link to cluster 2 from a remote (well I can link but still it's cluster 1 that receives the command).
mental hedge
I see on the https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/QBKG39LM.html#xiaomi-qbkg39lm model referred to for working configuration that for full working also a CCP2531 might need a firmware update (to a version from 2 weeks ago or newer)
might need to (figure out how to) do that as well
cerulean thorn
What is the best door and window sensor currently. Best with discreet and long lived. No aquara cause of their issues. Will run on z2m
austere patio
What's wrong with Aqara?
It's crappy spec-wise but the battery life is great and they look good.
cerulean thorn
The parent issues. Dont want to risk having dropout on a high waf full automation peoject
autumn warren
Does Z2M not support the Aqara motion sensor motion state? I only see occupancy
molten linden
I know the newer aqara E1’s are only just starting to to get support thanks to the attempted vendor lock-in. I wonder if they will be better behaved parent wise.
gleaming jay
Parent issues?
lilac wharf
Daddy issues
ocean cloak
Is there a way to get the RSSI (or equivalent) for a device?
sinful swift
Is there a way to get the RSSI (or equivalent) for a device?
That would depend on the device making that metric available. Which device?
twilit narwhal
Does Z2M not support the Aqara motion sensor `motion` state? I only see `occupan...
The occupancy attribute in Z2M for RTCGQ11LM is a detection of motion. You can set the timeout which is 90s per default, see https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/RTCGQ11LM.html
In my stairs I set it to 180s and I use the occupancy state change as a trigger for lights, for instance