zigbee-archived

[ivory hound]

i'll take a break, i feal like i have nothing good to say about tradfri and conbee 🙂

[stark remnant]

Thanks @jolly narwhal I'll be looking to pickup around 40 bulbs, so that's good to know. Okay sounds like I'll need to do a bit more research into the coordinators.

@ivory hound now is a good chance to offer up viable alternatives if you have them. I'm coming from a place of no bias, so i'll consider everything equally

Regarding the coordinators, are there some that are significantly more commonly used than others?

[ivory hound]

let me start by saying gg for nuc, that a very good choice i hve one works great, not like rpi s**t

regarding coordinators i'd sugest to look into the problem and dont go with deCONZ conbee

avoid

and regarding bulbs to be honest if i was staring now i'd go LEDVANCE, OSRAM, INNR

if you have money i'd go for hues

i have a constant in my home and that is HUE bulbs always worked without issues

this are my 2 cents

[amber gull]

new Hue is also Silicon Labs based, may have the same bug

IKEA is fine, just depends on your setup how often the bug will trigger and crash bulbs

[ivory hound]

ah yes mine are old production so they work well

[amber gull]

Gen 1 Hue had some routing issues, and would seem to ACK and then drop messages

Ikea or Hue would probably work fine for you though Winks

[stark remnant]

I'm looking at about 15 coloured bulbs so ~£700 is a bit tough to swallow for hue

[amber gull]

I picked up the IKEA full color bulbs on eBay for about ~£6 in the US

(mid pandemic as IKEA didn't offer shipping)

[stark remnant]

They're around £15 each here, and two Hue bulbs are 2 for £85..

[amber gull]

IKEA will fix the bug eventually, they have been the best on firmware updates and updating old devices

I have about ~ 40 IKEA bulbs? 120 total devices? Get a random single bulb crash every 1 to 2 weeks

[stark remnant]

In rooms I don't need to dim it sounds like a smart switch / dimmer would be the most cost-effective solution

[stark remnant]

That's really good to know, what's the time-to-fix generally?

[amber gull]

I just get an alert on my phone the bulb is not responding, and manually power cycle it next time I'm in the room

[ivory hound]

you cant say that we are waiting for this fix from 3 years already 🙂

[amber gull]

For a software fix they are on 5.8 to 6.3 release now -- we need them to get to 6.7 across the board (Silicon Labs EmberZnet)

[ivory hound]

so another 3 years?

lets just say i was unhappy, and i decided to so something about it, removed all IKEA bulbs and now i forgot all that unhappiness

@stark remnant i have:

• https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/AC25697.html#ledvance-ac25697
• https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/AC03645.html#osram-ac03645

those i know work good on ZHA and zigbee2MQTT

this also works good but does not ROUTE: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/AC03647.html#osram-ac03647

you want bulbs to be routers

[stark remnant]

yeah makes sense, mine are GU10 throughout the house

I see ledvance make these too, just trying to look into these and the others suggested a bit more now

[ivory hound]

gl with your smart home journey

hope you enjoy it

[stark remnant]

appreciate it, yeah me too

been looking into it on and off for 2-3 years now...

lots more in mind to do, but figure I should get setup with the basics first and grow. Nice to have a solid foundation though with the right hardware, hence the questions.

[ivory hound]

we dont have a problem with ppl asking stuff 😄

we cool with it

i remember @amber gull helped me a lot wen i was moving from deCONZ to ZHA

[stark remnant]

Awesome, thanks again guys. Got some more to look into

[austere patio]

Smart meters use Zigbee Smart Energy. You can't connect to them unless you buy an absurdly expensive certificate so you're going to have to wait until your power company exposes some API.

Using the optical port is probably easier

[blissful adder]

@ivory hound I might need your help. I would like to have a timer on a device (ZBMINI). If i turn it on, it shoudl go back off in 1 minute.
A bit like a Light auto off timer.

[ivory hound]

you can implement that in a script / automation on home assistant with this https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/timer/

easy to do

[blissful adder]

I am a noob in this 🙂

[ivory hound]

also this questions are for #automations-archived

[blissful adder]

First, do you recommned to change teh Entity ID or to leave the default ones?

[ivory hound]

what do you use?

look at the title

of this channel

[blissful adder]

yes, sorry

[ivory hound]

so ... what do you use?

[sour shadow]

Generally though, personally, I do recommend you change the entity_id to something that makes sense to you

[ivory hound]

tbh if you use deCONZ i am sorry for you, if you use ZHA i recommend to change entity_id in home assistant and if you use zigbee2mqtt i suggest to do name changing in zigbee2mqtt is the best not to touch things in ha

just my opinion

[blissful adder]

Thanks! I will delete deCONZ and follow your recomemndation

You prefer zigbee2mqtt ??

it seems ZHA is native and might be easier no?

[ivory hound]

ZHA is updated and mantained with HA

[blissful adder]

good. I am going to take tha troad...

[ivory hound]

zigbee2mqtt is more like an advanced outside solution

runs separate

[blissful adder]

Will take that later... first learning

[ivory hound]

yes you can do that

[blissful adder]

I was using a tutorial that made me install DeConz...

I spent hours pairing all my devices like this...

if I uninstall deCONZ, will it loose all configs?

[ivory hound]

if you have Conbee II or so I'd suggest to take another coordinator for ZHA or z2mqtt

[blissful adder]

conbe2 is installed on a raspberry

[ivory hound]

yah that is not really great but for learning proposes i guess you can use it with ZHA

gotta go now see you

[blissful adder]

ok Thanks!

[mellow geode]

Although I can’t confirm that the Hues don’t have it, the Silabs Hues are my best working bulbs. Never had them crash. They properly send attribute reports and don’t have weird bugs like where you can’t send another command mid-transition.
(Don’t get the ones without Bluetooth though)

[stark remnant]

It sounds like they're the superior bulb. However, when comparing them with Tradfri, at 300% more expensive the question becomes: "Am I happy to spend £450 to avoid having to power cycle my lights every now and then?"

[austere patio]

If you have frequent enough power outages, you don't even need to do it by hand

[stark remnant]

not sure I understand what you mean? like grid outages?

[austere patio]

Just joking. Some people see the bug more frequently than others. I don't think I had to to reboot anything this year.

[stark remnant]

I thought so 😅 but I also thought there's a good chance I've just not understood something

[forest cobalt]

That's also largely dependent on mesh size and traffic. On a small mesh (<30 devices), the Ikea bulbs work fine. It's when they are part of a larger mesh that they start showing issues and need to be reset/rebooted. Especially if they are the majority of the routers in the mesh.

[amber gull]

@mellow geode You should do a parent flood with the zha_custom integration to test the Hues

[stark remnant]

Oh interesting @forest cobalt . At most I will have ~40 lights, though I'm reconsidering how many I need on the basis of using smart dimmers in some rooms instead. So maybe just under 30

[forest cobalt]

@stark remnant As long as you have enough routers in play, you should be fine, but yeah, you might have the random drop-off or message dropped.

[amber gull]

It's really traffic related -- if you have children switching parents frequently you're more likely to see the bug

I have ~ 80 end devices / children -- some outside stuff re-joins and parent announces pretty frequently

[stark remnant]

What I'm hearing is, it's possible / probable that I'll have issues with them but it'll be infrequent and not a massive inconvenience to resolve. I think I can live with that. Just need to figure out what coordinator to use and how that works and I'll be ready to make a start 🙂

[amber gull]

Pro-tip, if you use zigbee groups, the lights still work and the only thing that breaks is routing for any end device children

[mellow geode]

Will do if it still works on the latest Hass beta

[stark remnant]

By zigbee groups do you just mean group zigbee products together as opposed to zigbee and non-zigbee?

[amber gull]

No, you can create groups on your network and that group destined traffic is sent broadcast as opposed to unicast

broadcast traffic always seems to work even when the stack on the device (ikea bulb, whatever) is in a half crashed state

[mighty river]

Hi guys,not sure whether to make this question here or in the hardware chat

any recommendation on the cheapest zigbee plugs?

[mellow geode]

US/EU?

[mighty river]

I'm using ZHA and conbee

EU

basic funcionality

just on/off will do it

[mellow geode]

The BlitzWolf SHP-13 plugs aren't bad (other BlitzWolf plugs aren't Zigbee but WiFi). They're Tuya though but work (also have power measuring which is "ok").
Xiaomis plugs are also nice (the square ones). Otherwise, maybe IKEA?

[mighty river]

I'm gonna check out

I was hoping for something even cheaper 🙂

like 12€ in Ali for both

I might be dreaming though

[mellow geode]

https://aliexpress.com/item/4001153171159.html

[mighty river]

Do you own any blitzwolf plug? ZHA, z2mqtt?

[mellow geode]

Yep, I own like six of them. Currently have two in use. One for my washing machine (they are the only plugs that support up to 16A -- never blindly trust these ratings though, but this one seems to be fine) and another one as an "outdoor plug" in a plastic box. Never have dropped off unlike some OSRAM plugs I (sadly) also own. I'm using ZHA

Using a ZZH stick though (soon tubes coordinator but it's very similar). Should work with Conbee and ZHA without any problems.

(Just Conbee users often have problem in general lol)

[mighty river]

conbee has become a lot more stable over time in recent updates, but yeah

thanks for your input

I will give them a go

[regal wing]

Hey does anyone that uses Sonoff's SZNB-02 sensors to get temp/humidity values happens to know how precise they are? I was thinking about buying one of them to monitor my small terrace greenhouse's temp/humidity values. I don't need very precise measurements but I'd like to have a good understanding of the internal climate of it. If you have any suggestion for any other sensor for this use case scenario I'd gladly listen! I should probably add that I already have a ConBee II so I'd prefer anything compatible with it! I also considered the Aqara sensor too but I can't decide between it and the Sonoff tbh. The Sonoff is cheaper at the moment on Amazon Italy (the Aqara is having a price spike at 40€ rn which is insane), while the Sonoff is like 17€. If it's accurate enough and its update rate is good I'd go with the Sonoff. Does anyone have experience with the Sonoff SZNB-02?

[warped oxide]

Update rate is 5 minutes, and configurable afaik. Works just fine with Conbee... I have 4 of them

[regal wing]

Ok thank you, that's good news. Do you happen to know how precise the readings are? Do they need some calibration?

[warped oxide]

No idea, mine looks to be on par with the aqara. I haven't had a need for them to be super accurate, so haven't really done any measurements... good enough for me

[mighty river]

If i buy a conbee 2 stick (now i have another one) , do i need to reconfigure all my devices?

[forest cobalt]

Yes.

[warped oxide]

is your current network already on a conbee? and deconz?

[mighty river]

Nop useing ZHA

with custom USB stick

[austere patio]

If you do a backup with deCONZ and restore it to the second Conbee it'll migrate your settings

[mighty river]

Is deCONZ the same as ZHA then? never used it

[austere patio]

It does similar stuff, yeah. It only works with the Conbee though.

[mighty river]

So i Guess when i migrate to Conbee deCONZ is a beter choice?

[austere patio]

You're migrating from something else to a conbee?

[mighty river]

yes

[austere patio]

What's the other stick?

And why the Conbee?

I was thinking you said that you were migrating from one Conbee to another

[mighty river]

I am new to zigbee so i tried this cheap usb stick (https://www.amazon.nl/gp/product/B08BPCX8T5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

What do you advice conbee or another stick?

[obsidian sandal]

The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '~cc253x' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[austere patio]

Yeah, no way to migrate to a Conbee from a CC2531

[sour shadow]

You can migrate to a CC2652 based stick though

[mighty river]

What stick do you advice conbee or cc2652 ?

[sour shadow]

CC2652 (ideally the p2 version)

[mighty river]

Is this also plug and play or do i need to flash it myseld?

myself*

[austere patio]

Some you do need to flash but not like the CC2531. You just plug it into a USB port and run a script. Takes 30s.

[sour shadow]

25 of which are for reading the docs 😄

[mighty river]

Conbee is plug and play right?

i am quite new to zigbee never flashed a stick before

[sour shadow]

Honestly, if running a script to flash the stick is too hard, then your experience with Home Assistant is going to be hard...

Flashing the modern sticks is trivial

https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/#step-3-flash-the-firmware-on-your-stick

[mighty river]

If i have a guide it will be use to perform

[sour shadow]

Insert stick. Run script. Done

[mighty river]

Do you have a good reseller in the netherlands of this stick

[sour shadow]

Not that one, but see the pinned messages

There's at least two EU sources of similar sticks

[austere patio]

Lol every single one is out of stock

Even Tube

[sour shadow]

Yeah, but most of them come in stock regularly

Tube and Electrolama are pretty good on that

[mighty river]

This it the one you mean right https://www.tindie.com/products/slaesh/cc2652-zigbee-coordinator-or-openthread-router/

[sour shadow]

Yup, and be aware of all the warnings around them 😉

Also read the feedback there

There's another that ships from Italy, though it's too soon to have solid feedback on them

[mighty river]

Warnings ?

[sour shadow]

Did you read the pinned messages?

[mighty river]

Kinda new to discord where can i find them?

[sour shadow]

Ships from Germany: https://www.tindie.com/products/slaesh/cc2652-zigbee-coordinator-or-openthread-router/ (but known issues with the seller's lack of communication)

📌

Top of the screen

[mighty river]

I see

[cedar coyote]

@austere patio so i followed the manual to reset nvram. all went well. then out of curiousity i ran the zigpy_znp.tools.energy_scan. and its continuously scanninga nd I dont know how to interrupt/stop it. ctrl+c (or x or q) didnt do anything.

nevermind ctrl+c worked. not sure why it didnt initally.

[austere patio]

Hmm, works for me

It doesn't do anything with signal handling or catching keyboard interrupts or anything. Is this on Windows?

Note that if you want to change the Zigbee channel, the energy scan has to form a network to work so you'll want to reset the NVRAM again before the changes in your home assistant config file take effect

That specific tool prints your current channel, which is 15 by default

[cedar coyote]

im on windows but i did this via the linux subsystem for windows thing running ubuntu

so, i did the nvram reset. then i did the form_network

then out of curiousity i did the energy_scan

im fine leaving it on channel 15 i was just curious

[austere patio]

I don't have an ethernet coordinator to test the WSL subsystem out at the moment (since you can't pass normal serial ports to WSL) but that could very well be a bug

[cedar coyote]

after doing energy_scan do i need to do the reset and form_network again?

[austere patio]

No, it won't do anything except form yet another network with random settings. But you can run it as many times as you want.

After the reset I suggest power cycling the coordinator as well

[cedar coyote]

can i do that from the tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2 Web Server via the "restart the gateway" toggle? or should i pull the usb power

[austere patio]

I always pull out the USB stick so power seems like the safest bet, but maybe Tube's coordinator does that on its own

[cedar coyote]

👍

the guy i bought the iris contact sensors from didnt have any debugging tips, said if they still dont work i can send them back for a refund. so i thought this was my last effort to try to get things to work before moving on to a different sensor

[austere patio]

This is as factory reset as you can get before re-flashing the firmware 😆 (which in theory shouldn't reset it any more)

[cedar coyote]

well im gonna go see if i can get a sensor to connect.

🤞

[austere patio]

Just make sure to click the "add devices" button and then immediately begin the reset process. Despite the spinning wheel, joins are permitted only for 60s from the time you click the button.

[cedar coyote]

It's interviewing

Configuring

[austere patio]

That's odd. Maybe they don't like being factory reset when the network they were previously joined to is still active?

[cedar coyote]

🤷‍♂️

they still don't register all 3 sensors (contact open/close, temperature, battery level) on first connection, which feels flaky to me. i might consider returning them in any case

unless that is "normal"

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bbzTkdFdGH/

reconfiguring it while engaging the contact sensor w/ a magnet every few seconds and it started reporting temperature at least

[molten linden]

esphome exposes the reset pin on the cc2652 module as a momentary switch.

[versed oyster]

Hey guys, has anyone of you got any idea, why my Node-Read Node wont set Zigbee Attributes i can set manually just fine? And has anyone got an idea how i can get the exact cluster idea out of ZHA? Greeting Max

[dry fossil]

If you can do it normally but not with NR, the problem's NR.

[sour shadow]

#node-red-archived would know if that's the case, maybe

[austere patio]

I'll have to see if that is enough to "reboot" a locked up CC2652R when I get another lockup

I couldn't even get the XDS110 debugger on the dev kits to do it

[molten linden]

intersting. I think slaesh's stick basically uses the rts/cts pins to control the bsl and reset pins.. (def bsl).

[cedar coyote]

well, 5 of the sensors register but dont actually communicate any sensor updates. so i think they're just gonna go back to ebay

(the other 5 seem to work fine)

[final vine]

Hey guys, does someone have experience with zha + raspbee2 on a rpi 3b? Zigbee suddenly stopped working after a reboot (no hardware, software or config changes or updates). ZHA just throws a TimeoutError

[austere patio]

What's the full error? If you enable ZHA debug logging it'll have more context

[final vine]

The first warning is 2021-05-05 00:33:40 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.api] No response to 'Command.read_parameter' command with seq id '0x02', after that there is just [zigpy.application] Couldn't start application and [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator with the TimeoutError in the traceback

[austere patio]

Sounds like serial communication with your radio is broken

Or you have deCONZ or something concurrently running

[jovial reef]

All my Zigbee devices are offline. Where's a good place to start to figure out why? restart/reboot hasn't helped.

zwave works, and it's on the same device...

[austere patio]

Enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging, let it run for a bit, and post the log

That should have more info

[jovial reef]

I commented out the lines in config yaml that tells zha what usb my dongle is on. I guess I thought it could figure it out on it's own?

You'd think I'd have learned by now not to make 10 changes all at once.

some devices are back online. I assume the rest will check back in eventually and come online.

[gentle flint]

Conbee? Make sure the firmware is updated on conbee, and you do use an usb extension and the network is not on channel 11

[ivory hound]

@gentle flint what is happening is conbee is on ch 11? not working well? if yes why?

[gentle flint]

Pinned messages, WiFi, interference

[lime locust]

when i change the friendly name in z2m will it pass through to HA ? Because i already renamed some of the devices in HA itself ?

[sour shadow]

That's up to you

[lime locust]

ah nice thnks

small problem in lovelace , when turning off some zigbee bulbs the state in lovelace doesnt change , the bulbs do ..?

havent renamed them yet

[sour shadow]

Well, how did you turn them off?

[lime locust]

in the dahboard

[sour shadow]

Z2M?

HA?

[lime locust]

z2m

it seems off

when turning them off , lovelace displays on

its doing it in reverse ...

wth

[wide lily]

zha configured via integrations UI. Can I see which channel my network is operating on?

[lime locust]

hmm all z2m operations in HA seems laggy or off somehow, latest update z2m changed something ?

to my eclipse mosq broker im seeing 3 connections instead of the usual 2

doorbell and HA

now there's a new one

?

[sour shadow]

Not for me, snappy as always

[thick plover]

Outdoor zigbee temperature/weather sensors... do the Philips Hue motion sensors have a decent thermometer in them? My indoor one is over 2 degrees cooler than my aqara sensors

[lime locust]

it seems z2m is making 2 connections to the broker ?

[forest cobalt]

All of mine have the proper temp, but if you need to, you can adjust the temp via ZHA or Z2M.

[compact plover]

An Aqara motion sensor that I was using for my home office lighting appears to have gone bad. It's been connected to the Aqara gateway for months, then about 3 weeks ago I connected it to a Llama USB through ZHA and it was fine. Today it's mostly sitting in an off state with occasional on

but battery is 70%

is this something that may be related to the comms, or is the device going bad, or is there no way to tell

I had to use a switch like a peon

[prisma shell]

is there much difference between zha and zigbee2mqtt?

as far as setting things up

thinking of trying that instead to see if my ikea batteries last any longer

[sour shadow]

Not that would impact battery life

[cerulean thorn]

Have anyone tried to migrate from zha to z2m without repair if its the same stick and settings?

[austere patio]

If it's a TI stick then it's possible

[cerulean thorn]

Its sleash

[austere patio]

Z2M will just have no idea what's on your network

So you'll need to permit joins and reboot devices

[cerulean thorn]

Cant hurt to try

[austere patio]

Do a backup and restore to the same stick with this to update a few NVRAM items (ignore the Git thing, you can pip install it) https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#network-backup-beta

Then just fill in the Z2M config file with the basic network information from the backup JSON

They key and extended pan ID will need to be converted into a decimal list, so 00ff.. becomes [0, 255, ... (echo "abcd1234" | python3 -c "import sys; print(list(bytes.fromhex(sys.stdin.read())))")

Z2M is picky about all settings matching what's in your config so as long as you have the backup JSON and run it in debug mode, it'll tell you why it decided to erase your network and you can try again (after running the restore).

[prisma shell]

Tink that's not what some people say but

[austere patio]

Are you using a Silicon Labs coordinator?

I was under the impression the issue specifically was with SiLabs coordinators running some range of firmware versions

[cerulean thorn]

@austere patio is it possible to do this under ha terminal? I just get errors if i try to install zigpy-znp - ant methods of doing this without having to unplug and move the stick?

[austere patio]

ZHA can't be running

You can do it within the HA docker container, just gotta run pip install --upgrade zigpy-znp so it installs the latest version and remove ZHA

[foggy sierra]

hello, looking to try testing some zigbee. i just got the conbee ii stick and im going to use this in HA on a raspberrypi4. is zha the best option?

[sour shadow]

Well, it's a good option, though your choice of stick isn't the best 😄

[foggy sierra]

which is a good stick that is available?

i was looking at a few others but none were in stockk

[sour shadow]

CC2652 based

[foggy sierra]

thats one of them

unless theres oither places to look

[sour shadow]

Seen the list in the pinned messages?

[foggy sierra]

i believe that was where i went through but its been a lot of reading over the past few days ill check again

[icy tusk]

Can anyone tell me what I am looking for in the logs to find out what channel my zigbee system is using? Changing the channel in configuration.yaml doesn't seem to do anything.

[austere patio]

If you're using a TI or SiLabs stick it's channel 15

[icy tusk]

I am using a Sonoff cooerdinator

[austere patio]

That's SiLabs, so 15

[icy tusk]

I am trying to change the channel for two reasons - possible interference and trying to get a Konke PIR to pair.

[austere patio]

Aren't those that only work on 15/20/25?

[icy tusk]

yes, that is my understanding

[austere patio]

So if you're on 15 they'll work

[icy tusk]

well this one didn't get the memo so I was going to try channel 25

[austere patio]

Interference probably isn't a problem but I would run an energy scan first

[icy tusk]

What's an energy scan?

BTW the interference issue is related to all my other zigbee devices and not the Konke

[austere patio]

You can scan Zigbee channels for RF interference with bellows. Let me find the command

bellows -d socket://its.ip.addr:8888 scan --energy --duration 500 scans all of the 15 Zigbee channels for 500ms each

[cerulean thorn]

@austere patio I got out this; What part if it should be converted to listed decimal? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hC2kkhJ9Td/

[austere patio]

That's the NVRAM backup

You want the network backup

[cerulean thorn]

okay

[radiant steppe]

Hello, I jsut asked a question about the zigbee2mqtt addons in the #add-ons-archived , if anyone is intereseted in helping ... 😄

[icy tusk]

Where do I enter the bellows command? Do you have a link for documentation to bellows?

[foggy sierra]

ok going through them again. i was not aware some of those were what i could use. i did read them but this is new to me so im reading through a lot. the dev boards i looked it but was not sure how to hook them to a pi. Tube’s CC2652P2 USB Coordinator i kinda got sidetracked to the larfer one which was ethernet and read what it would work with did not notice the little one was usb.

[sour shadow]

USB, they all use USB 😄

[foggy sierra]

i am going to look into one them also. i just wanted to get something i could start with. kinda quickly whilke i had been reading

[austere patio]

It's the Python package that ZHA uses to control your radio. You can install it anywhere with a working Python 3.7+ installation

[obsidian sandal]

@foggy sierra When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[icy tusk]

Thanks puddly, I will give it a try

[forest cobalt]

The ethernet coordinators are MUCH better than USB coordinators, just FYI. If you are going to spend the money, might as well get the better one to begin with. With USB coordinators, you pretty much should ALWAYS put them on a usb extension cable to avoid interference from the computer they are attached to. The ethernet ones don't require that because they can be put as far away as you want from other devices.

[foggy sierra]

thanks. if you had to choose one of those available to use and learn on at the same time do you have any recommendations of which you would use? Ill start out with the conbee and once i get another ill move over

[austere patio]

Tube's USB coordinator has a female microUSB (like the TI dev kits) so you kinda have to put it on an extension cable anyways

[forest cobalt]

I literally just saw that as I was browsing his store. LOL

[foggy sierra]

at least from the description i can use less options to control them. i maybe wrong but that was my concern. i liked the idea of Ethernet but then i also need power to it as well

[sour shadow]

Start with what can I avoid import tax on 😄

[forest cobalt]

Tube is a freakin' genius.

[forest cobalt]

I got a USB PoE adapter with mine. Popped it into my PoE switch and problem solved 🙂 But, you can also run any 5V power supply to it as well.

[foggy sierra]

so the Ethernet one can also be powered from PoE?

[sour shadow]

No, but you can use a PoE adaptor of your own choice

[forest cobalt]

@foggy sierra This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/UCTRONICS-802-3af-Splitter-Ethernet-Raspberry/dp/B01MDLUSE7

[austere patio]

Huh, I didn't know they made ones with microUSB as well

[forest cobalt]

Yup! I grabbed 10 of them... I use them all over the house.

[foggy sierra]

ok so this would be either near a power supply and 2 wires going to the device or near the device with power to it.

[forest cobalt]

Plus, they seem to provide "clean" power for rPi 3s as well. In that I never saw any weird voltage issues from mine.

[molten linden]

maybe in a week or so I might have some that work with PoE.. 🤣

depends on fedex and the house training of one new 9 week old lab puppy

[forest cobalt]

If you have a PoE switch (and really, why WOULDN'T you have a PoE switch), you can run ethernet up to something like 250-300'?

[forest cobalt]

Seriously?! I hate you. LOL I love you to death... but I hate you. I WANT MY POE!!! hahaha

Hey @molten linden, so what about a trade-up program? 😉

[foggy sierra]

trade up? you should just get more.

[molten linden]

maybe

[forest cobalt]

Nah... 1 coordinator is plenty for me. I have a small house.

[molten linden]

but I think my olimex were mis-delivered 😭

[forest cobalt]

Although, now I have to throw money at Tube to get a PoE coordinator.

[sour shadow]

I'm so damn tempted to order one of those when they arrive... even if it'd mean re-pairing everything

[molten linden]

doing a small run to see the viability as the price is not what I want it to be.

[sour shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-little-girl-annoyed-cute-gif-13212490

[forest cobalt]

How bad are you thinking?

[molten linden]

90ish.

[sour shadow]

That's not awesome, but not terrible

[molten linden]

the olimex is $$

[forest cobalt]

I know the pricing was holding you back from doing PoE to begin with... OUCH! Eh, worth it to keep you in business.

[sour shadow]

I mean, I just bought a stack of Terncy devices that won't pair with my ZZH - what's a few more £$€ here or there 😄

[molten linden]

and the stupid IC supply shortage is rising prices on everything.

[forest cobalt]

LOL I'd say we have a problem with spending... but then that'd be admitting we have a problem with spending. 😉

[violet dagger]

which terncy?

[sour shadow]

Any of them

I've tried the door/window sensor, and the dial

[violet dagger]

i have the dimmer button, works fine

[sour shadow]

Not for me - won't pair

[forest cobalt]

@molten linden Give a holler when you get some built... I'll gladly pick one up and run it through it's paces. 😄

[violet dagger]

well pairs fine, works not that great

[sour shadow]

What coordinator?

[violet dagger]

zzh!

[sour shadow]

Weird...

Another ZZH owner also reports them not pairing... maybe a channel thing? I'm on channel 20 because of the Konke devices

[violet dagger]

i have the handmade batch so that extra love helps with pairing

[sour shadow]

I don't mind if the dial doesn't work, but I really hoped the door/window sensors would - Zigbee 3.0 and visually nice

[violet dagger]

i'm on channel 15

[sour shadow]

Another standard channel then

[forest cobalt]

I LOVE the look of the awareness switch.

[sour shadow]

It's fooking huge!

[violet dagger]

did you remove the b8r3z

[sour shadow]

WTF...

[violet dagger]

ali g reference

[sour shadow]

Do I need to up my meme game?

[molten linden]

🔋

maybe I don't know 🤣 🤦‍♂️

[violet dagger]

you are correct sir

[molten linden]

and no my Olimex order was not mis-delivered it's just "arriving late"

just glad my local AMZ fulfillment center had more black PLA as i'm about out and have to print 5 router cases 🤦‍♂️ I should of weighed what I had left before I started. oh well more coming between 5 and 10pm.

[forest cobalt]

I have a Mini run up in Virginia in a couple of weeks. I'll grab some from the Charlotte fulfillment center and drop them off to you. 😉 LOL

[molten linden]

They are building a huge one at the site of an Old GM plant 15 minutes away. it's right next to rail lines. will be like the 3rd or 4th in my small state. and like the 6th within 50 miles.

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, we have at least 5 or 6 here as well... Amazon... taking over the world, one fulfillment center at a time.

[foggy sierra]

@sour shadow @forest cobalt i just ordered another from @molten linden im going to work on testing with the conbee 2 until they show. thank you for the help.

[molten linden]

thank you!

[sour shadow]

Be aware, the stuff he sells is too good... 😛

[foggy sierra]

lol as long as i can figure out how to make it work

[sour shadow]

A friend ordered two routers, found out he only needed one for full coverage. I got the other in return for helping them with their setup 😂

I just need to order the bits so I can flash the firmware on it to the 20dB firmware 🤔

[forest cobalt]

I thought you did that 2 weeks ago? slacker!

[sour shadow]

Eh, it's so far down my priority list it's funny

I have the parts in my basket, just waiting to see what else I don't need first

[forest cobalt]

If you can't, most of us here are VERY familiar with Tube's gear...

[sour shadow]

To be fair, it's pretty much idiot proof - if you can install HA this bit is easy

[foggy sierra]

i see others talking about the channel they are on. how do i figure out what channel my stick is on and how do i change it in zha

ok

im looking forward to it

zwave turned out to be easy to start so

[sour shadow]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha#defining-zigbee-channel-to-use

If in doubt, check the docs 😉

[forest cobalt]

For that, you can use bellows. @austere patio was walking someone through that very thing up there ^^^

[austere patio]

It's 15 and not simple 😆

[forest cobalt]

LMAO

[sour shadow]

That's why smart people use Zigbee2MQTT 😛

(or is it crazy, really can't remember)

[ashen coral]

And Tinkerer

[forest cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[foggy sierra]

now im new so from my reading it looked like zigbee2mqtt either didnt have the features of some others or was more complicated to get those features working in ha. like the state of the device. am i wrong about this

[austere patio]

More Zigbee projects, more features. There's very very rarely a reason to change the default of 15. But it'll be in the UI eventually.

[sour shadow]

To be honest, it's largely a personal choice - do you want it embedded in HA, or not

[mighty river]

Whats the big different between Deconz and ZHA ?

[sour shadow]

One works?

[austere patio]

ZHA is written in Python, fully open source, and supports a bunch of Zigbee coordinators. Parts of deCONZ are open source and it only supports the Conbee. And C++, so it's a bit harder to work with. Slower to support new devices and the Conbee is completely custom-made so it has...quirks.

[molten linden]

lots of UI tweaks been slipping into ZHA past few releases as well. thanks to Dave. more to come to I think based on some pictures I've seen.

[forest cobalt]

And the other one sucks. I'm looking at you, deCONZ.

[mighty river]

If i am buying a conbee 2 stick Deconz would be the best option then?

[sour shadow]

Don't buy one

[forest cobalt]

Don't.

Damnit. LOL

[sour shadow]

Buy something better, and use ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

[mighty river]

Is thec onbee that bad?

[forest cobalt]

Not that it's "that bad"... it's more like, it's a tiny stick capable of tiny things.

It works, but you'll run into issues as your mesh grows.

[austere patio]

The people that make deCONZ make the custom hardware and the firmware for it so it's sort of tailored for use with deCONZ. It's supported by Z2M and ZHA but it'll work best with deCONZ. And deCONZ doesn't work that well for a some of people so 🤷‍♂️

[sour shadow]

It is at least more modern than the HUSBZB-1, which is pretty damn old

[forest cobalt]

It's like buying a cheap WiFi router and then trying to figure out why your signal sucks 50' away from it.

[austere patio]

Hardware-wise the Conbee is actually pretty beefy. It's the firmware that makes it behave a little strangely

[mighty river]

Which one would be good for a starter

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, although, to be fair... my HUSBZB-1 is still rocking as my Z-Wave coordinator... the Zigbee radio in it died though... BUT... only after like 4 years of use.

[sour shadow]

See all the previous chatter 😂

CC2652 based, and if you're in the USA buy from Tube

[mighty river]

I am in the Netherlands

[sour shadow]

Then there's at least two EU options in the pinned messages, plus the ZZH from the UK

[molten linden]

ship everywhere but most places out side the US and UK? take a while 😭

[lime locust]

btw , what would be a logical upgrade to the cc2531 stick , have around 25 devices , 3 routers in my network , worried about network congestion after buying something new

[austere patio]

3 routers and 22 sensors? There's probably no congestion

[lime locust]

yup , but my cc2531 is outdated no antenna and a 2018 firmware

[sour shadow]

CC2652 based is the upgrade

You can even migrate without re-pairing apparently

[forest cobalt]

Personally, I'd go with a CC2652.

[mighty river]

Isn't the antenna on the small size?
https://www.tindie.com/products/slaesh/cc2652-zigbee-coordinator-or-openthread-router/

[lime locust]

nice thanks for the advice

[sour shadow]

Read up before you buy from them - they're known to suck at communication

[languid anvil]

How does Tube's EFR32 compare to his CC2652?

[mighty river]

Which Europe reseller should i go with then?

[austere patio]

Size doesn't matter (that much)

[lime locust]

https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/hobby-en-vrije-tijd/elektronica-componenten/m1696559276-cc2652-usb-stick-zigbee-zigbee2mqtt.html?previousPage=lr

[mighty river]

@sour shadow is the above one a good one?

[lime locust]

cc2562 locks up ?

[austere patio]

Same chip as Tube's

[sour shadow]

Sleash is fine, just the seller isn't at the same level as Electrolama, or Tube

You order, pay, and then the stick turns out some weeks/months later - if you paid for tracking you may never find out the tracking number until it arrives

[mighty river]

@sour shadow you mean this one https://slae.sh/projects/cc2652/

[sour shadow]

Yes, same one you already linked to

[obsidian sandal]

@sinful nymph Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~tagging' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

And you really don't have to keep tagging me

[lime locust]

this binding option in z2m , is it used to bind an ex. wireless switch directly to a bulb ? without having to make an automation for switch in HA ?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[lime locust]

but binding something in z2m , still leaves it open in HA

for further automations

wow

never knew this

awesome

[heady forum]

hmm, ZHA can't find my usb stick anymore in the newest home-assisant (2021.5.0)..

Could be a docker issue since I have the problem on two machines

[austere patio]

That sounds like a docker device mapping issue

Did you do /dev/ttyUSB1:/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B0018E28059-if00 or something? The by-id path should be stable on the host

[heady forum]

No, i'm using the serial/by-id route, and the device is present on the host.. 🙂

reverted back to 2021.4.6 for now

[austere patio]

Is this with Home Assistant OS or are you directly running the docker image?

[heady forum]

Directly running the docker image.
One instance with podman, another one in kubernetes via the k8s-at-home helm chart

[cerulean thorn]

that experiment didnt work - z2m could not find anything, and had to write nvram back to the chip to get zha to work again

[austere patio]

Z2M probably erased the network settings for some reason

Let me try with that NVRAM backup you posted earlier. Is this a zzh?

[cerulean thorn]

sleash version of zzh

so should be kinda identical I guess

[austere patio]

Let's see what Z2M doesn't like

Ah

Did you put 6241 as the PAN ID into Z2M?

[cerulean thorn]

yes 6241

[austere patio]

It's 0x6241, which is 25153 in decimal

[cerulean thorn]

should I change it to 25153?

[austere patio]

There are a few more tweaks, one sec

[cerulean thorn]

should I post the network backup too?

[austere patio]

Nah, that can be extracted from your nvram backup

[cedar coyote]

i've been thinking about my ZHA zigbee network, and how i ensure coverage across the house. It seems like an always wired solution like a wall outlet (in-wall) or light switch would be ideal, but half of my house doesn't have a common wire which is sometimes a requirement. Lightbulbs seem less practical because i dont necessarily want to have to grab my phone to turn things on/off (vs using the lamp switch or wall switch). Wondering if anyone can share their experience of what worked well for them.

[sour shadow]

You can use any USB powered DIY router

A CC2531 with antenna isn't terrible there

[austere patio]

Covering all the lightswitches with buttons and using motion sensors

[cedar coyote]

our house isnt that big, probably like 3-4 lightswitches would cover the whole house

maybe even just 2, one upstairs hallway, one down

this is probably a dumb question, is there an android app that analyzes RF and can tell you zigbee network signal strength similar to a wifi analyzer?

[austere patio]

I don't think so

The WiFi analyzers probably just scan for networks and plot the channels + received signal strength

You can do this with Zigbee if you have a second coordinator though

And a laptop

[blissful nacelle]

does Conbee II ever go on sale, or should I just go for it now?

[mellow geode]

I don't think it's ever on sale, so I guess you could grab one. Wouldn't recommend the Conbee though (ZZH!, tubes coordinator work with ZHA and Z2M and the Elelabs stick is really stable for ZHA)

Conbee also works with ZHA and Z2M (experimental only for Z2M though)

Also, many users here who have issues are also Conbee users

See the sticked messages at the top for some alternatives

[blissful nacelle]

Just checked that google doc and am confued about the packet loss metric. Does a lost packet mean the message just wont arrive, or that it will just introduce latency? Not familiar with zigbee protocols

[forest cobalt]

Both.

[mellow geode]

I'm not sure how accurate the "range comparison" is but I wouldn't really pick my stick on that anyways.

As long as you don't get a CC2531/CC2530 (or Conbee lol), you're fine

[forest cobalt]

Crappy coordinators and crappy devices translate to a bad experience. There are many of us here that have been using Zigbee for years with super stable meshes.

[mellow geode]

Did you already pick the integration you want to use (ZHA, zigbee2mqtt or deCONZ)?
Personally, I'd recommend ZHA or Z2M and not really Conbee + deCONZ. ZHA and Z2M both work with all Ti coordinators while ZHA has very stable support for Silabs coordinators (Elelabs stick) which Z2M supports "experimentally".

[blissful nacelle]

Honestly not sure yet. Plan to use it for few battery powered buttons/switches and sensors

[mellow geode]

Both integrations should handle that easily

I guess if you go for a Texas Instruments (TI) stick, you should be able to choose either ZHA or Z2M

[blissful nacelle]

My friend has few of these he doesn't need so he offered to give them to me. Is there a specific integration for them, or can I just choose any I want? If any, is there a comparisoon table/video you recommend?
https://www.aqara.com/us/wireless_mini_switch.html

[mellow geode]

Should work with ZHA, Z2M and probably also deCONZ, as they're relatively popular if I'm not mistaken.

[jovial reef]

I figured out why my zigbee stuff hasn't been working - it stopped when i switched to an SSD...

I guess the USB stick needs to be far away from the SSD? I put it on a usb extension and it works much better now. Should I use the USB3 port, or usb2 port to plug in the extension, or does it not matter? (RPi 4)

[austere patio]

USB2 + extension

(though most extensions are USB2 anyways so would it even matter?)

[jovial reef]

It's a USB3 extension. I have a usb2 one also, but the 3 seemed more beefy.

[austere patio]

It has more wires since it's 3.0 but it probably doesn't matter. All serial data exchanged is checksummed so you'd be notified if there was corruption and I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Also, is this SSD being powered by the Pi as well?

There was some other user a while back that had their coordinator randomly die when they were also using a SSD. I'm not sure now if it was interference but I believe they tried a USB extension and nothing worked until they moved to a powered USB hub.

[jovial reef]

hm. yes, it's being powered by the Pi. it's all on a 3A adapter, but yeah, i was wondering if that could be a problem.

the extension seems to have mostly fixed it. I think. still testing. I'll try the USB2 port.

yep. switch to USB2 port helped a bunch.

[vivid escarp]

Do the zigbee aqara window/door sensors work out of the box with HA without the xaomi hub? I’m not finding anything definitive.
I need a bunch of additional sensors since moving and I’m having trouble finding ones for a decent price. If I need to buy ten new sensors I’d rather not pay $29.99 per. if I had the choice.

[mellow geode]

If you have a Zigbee coordinator and are you using either ZHA or zigbee2mqtt (or deCONZ), it should work "out of the box".

But since Zigbee isn't WiFi, you'll need a "Zigbee stick" (coordinator) first.

[vivid escarp]

Too easy, I have one already but wanted to make sure it would work. I should have bought a dozen of those ST multi sensors or the Iris 3320 sensors back when I first started but I didn’t think everything would go out of business!

[cloud wind]

Hey, just saw the update today. What’s the scoop on the Zigbee Alarm Panel support. Is there a list of supported panels

I got a couple of Xfinity Alarm Keypads I would love to use

[vivid escarp]

Oh man I saw that too and immediately went searching Amazon for “zigbee alarm panel.” Thought I missed a product on that. I’ve been looking for one for ages.

[tropic depot]

which integration

it was added to ZHA and Deconz

for ZHA I tested it with centralite 3405L

I think the xfinity ones are centralites

[cloud wind]

Nice, I got that model so I will try it later

[marble fable]

After updating my home assistant to the newest version it's not finding my zigbee stick any more . Anyone with a similar issue? Running HA on docker

And stick is the conbee 2

Maybe that's the sign to finally change to zigbee2mqtt

[sour shadow]

Others have reported similar problems, see the history of #449717345808547842

[heady forum]

I had the same issue, udev is no longer started

[sour shadow]

If you map the device explicitly you should be fine - it looks to be a udev related issue

[heady forum]

Mapping the device solved it for me with docker.
Other setup I started udev mannually in the container since I wanted to go to sleep.. 😄

[sour shadow]

An undocumented breaking change - somebody should open an issue about that

Or just switch to Z2M and be done with it 😛

[summer fable]

hmmm my zigbee devices keep becoming unavailable 😦

I thought maybe it might be the enclosure for the printer but doesn't seem like it, it's almost ideal conditions, there's about 3 metres and one plasterboard wall between the sensor and the receiver...

[heady forum]

z2m in a docker container will have the same issues, except it will not break with an homeassistant update 😄

[sour shadow]

Well, it'd only have the same issue if the dev made the same change and didn't warn anybody 😛

I've had one Z2M update (since about 1.3) that didn't go to plan, and reverting that update was trivial. It was fixed pretty quickly too.

[heady forum]

I wonder.. Z2M with two Home Assistant setups, will that work?

[sour shadow]

Yup

I have a production HA host, and two test hosts. All are hooked into the same MQTT broker, and everything "just works"

The only thing I did on the other hosts was to change the birth/will message topics to stop them over-writing the production host

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/integration/home_assistant.html

[heady forum]

Nice.. Temped to switch.. Will also make updating HA easier, at the moment it does not always release the zigbee usb stick on time.

[stark remnant]

Newbie again, after reading into controllers (been through the stickies / docs for supported & recommended devices etc.) it looks like picking up the the CC2652 is probably a good idea with the intention of learning and using Z2M. Problem is this is OOS on tindie since the end of last month (I'm in the UK) - can't seem to find anywhere else that sells them. Other hardware similar to this has been out of stock since last year. Do I..
1 - Be patient, get when back in stock on Tindie as this is a great choice
2 - Find another 2652 in stock somewhere / there's not much in performance as long as I'm using a 2652
3 - Pick another stick, just not the 2530/31 or Conbee
4 - Something else, for a good reason

[sour shadow]

See the pinned message on all the CC2652 sticks out there

[stark remnant]

Hey Tinkerer, I've been through these and paid specific attention to the supported adapters on the z2m.io documentation, and the findings on range testing elsewhere. Question is more around is it worth waiting for the 2652 in the opinion of the people here who have probably used several different types

[sour shadow]

Yes

[stark remnant]

If it were in stock, I would have just bought the zzh! CC2652R on tindie

[sour shadow]

Or the CC2652p/p2 boards

There's nothing better out there for Z2M, though the EZSP boards should be pretty much on a par when they're stable

[stark remnant]

Okay thanks, I'll hold out for it

[sour shadow]

Tube's ones are also worth a look at too, even with shipping

[stark remnant]

Good to know, cheers

[mighty river]

What does everyone use for the wall switches, my lights are on Zigbee now but people at home are still switching of with the wall switch.
which results in the lights going offline

[minor pumice]

Do you have a Neutral connection at the switch? One of the challenges you face, even with smart switches, is not all of them can be set to not turn off the light (i.e. trigger but leave power remaining). It's one of the design choices that I am wrangling at the moment. I am not a fully qualified electrician to advise on potential solutions to that particular issue

[minor pumice]

Another option is the shelley devices in detatched switch mode I think it is, or possibly the Sonoff & AQARA zigbee relays

[heady forum]

Same situation here, and because it's an old house I don't have any space to put devices behind it. I just disconnected the switch to have the lights always on and put a remote next to it on the wall..

And then use RGB lights, or in one case a sonoff relay switch in the light fixture itself.

[slender shoal]

Hi all, has anyone try this outlet (Jasco Zigbee Outlet Receptacle with Energy Monitoring)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08G58HVL5/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_glt_fabc_B769B5RE0K8Q6PJRJD50

[analog flicker]

any luck? And anyone have some leads on zigbee keypads?

[wide nimbus]

Does Tube ship to UK?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[wide nimbus]

Great! Skim read something about a poe coordinator trial 🙂 will wait patiently(Ish)

[forest cobalt]

That was my suggestion to Tube... lol CAN'T WAIT!!!

[sour shadow]

$90 was the ballpark I think - though my memory could be failing me again

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, you're right old timer. 😉

[sour shadow]

TBH, I think that's fair, given the nature of it all

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[forest cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-why-you-lying-justin-timberlake-sad-face-gif-15156852

damnit

lol

Is that a mod-power thing or a boost thing @sour shadow?

[sour shadow]

Mod power

[forest cobalt]

Thought so.

[sour shadow]

I know, abuse of power and all that

[forest cobalt]

LMAO eh, you're kinda likable... so, there is that.

[wide nimbus]

It’s a steep price but it’s exactly what need want!

[forest cobalt]

True, but I spent ~$60 for the coordinator and then $11 for the PoE injector. So, $71 total... and extra $20 for it to be all on one board doesn't seem that steep to me... Granted, I'm a spoiled brat and I love Tube's work. If it were some random Amazon shop, I might hesitate for a minute or two.

[sour shadow]

A small premium for an "all in one" box

[wide nimbus]

Yeah I mean steep in relation to some cheapo usb stick that I could get away with, not what actually goes into it/community support/etc

[sour shadow]

$5 for utter rubbish
$50 for something decent
$90 for something you can stick in a central location

[molten linden]

😊

[empty condor]

Hi, I spent as lot of time setting up HA and CC2652. Worked for 3 months and now gone wrong. Going to use the Sonoff Zigbee bridge. So my questions is - (A) Will it see the old device setup, and if not what is the recommentation for switching the hardware? (b) Delete all devices and repair, then painfaully add them again or (c) start from fresh install (OH GOD!)

[hardy crane]

Is there a definition of the blue/red dots you see in deconz? I've always assumed blue means it's communicating. Ans red must be something bad since it's red 😆

[jolly narwhal]

@empty condor with what software? Zha / Z2M ?

[austere patio]

What do you mean by "gone wrong"?

[empty condor]

Zha and nothing seems to connect anymore. After power outage

[austere patio]

Would be easier to debug that than migrate to new coordinator hardware

[empty condor]

Tried to fix

[austere patio]

Can you enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and post the logs?

[empty condor]

A lot of people say that hardware is rubbish so that’s why I’m changing it. Bought a new cc2652 but did not like that either

[austere patio]

CC2652 is about as good as you can get 🤷‍♂️

Performance-wise it wouldn't behave any differently than a Sonoff bridge operating in ideal WiFi conditions

[empty condor]

But it does not use WiFi

[austere patio]

This thing? https://www.itead.cc/sonoff-zbbridge.html

[empty condor]

Yep

[austere patio]

It has only a power plug so it talks to ZHA over WiFi, which introduces another source of potential issues

[empty condor]

Oh really Christ what a mine field.

[austere patio]

Try enabling debug logging first and post the log. If nothing works then it's probably a simple fix.

[empty condor]

Yes done that don’t know where to turn to for help

[austere patio]

Here 😆

Upload the full home-assistant.log somewhere (e.g. https://paste.ubuntu.com/) after it runs for a few minutes and you try interacting with devices

[lime locust]

is binding a wireless switch in z2m less laggy than via automation in HA ? have an aqara switch , but the very first press doesnt catch on (seems to need to wake-up) ?

[austere patio]

There should be no perceptible lag either way

Did your Aqara switch pick a bad parent router and is losing packets?

[lime locust]

hmm first press is most of the time off

[austere patio]

Which Aqara switch is it?

[lime locust]

https://imgur.com/a/ka54hqH

they dont seem to pair with my bulbs

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/WXKG01LM.html#xiaomi-wxkg01lm

this one in particular , all seem paired to cc2531

while bulbs are nearer

[austere patio]

I don't think you can do binding with that button

[lime locust]

aqara opple works flawless

[austere patio]

Are you talking about a delay like 200ms? Or more?

[lime locust]

no just not registering first press at all

after first press works fine

[austere patio]

Try permitting joins via that dropdown but only through the closest bulb

And re-join the button to your network so it's forced to pick a good parent

[lime locust]

ah thats what its for

so permit join on one bulb

then repair button

[austere patio]

Yes, the default is to permit joins on every single router, which usually works

But Aqara devices seem to pick the first one they find, not the closest one

You may just be losing packets if you're using a CC2531 and have an LQI of 25 between the button

[hollow atlas]

So, I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do I have to re-flash the firmware on this to be able to use it with HA?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081WRGL31/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have the debug cable coming in a few days (way too lazy to solder right now), but I don't understand why it won't work out of the box

[austere patio]

It doesn't come with any firmware at all

I don't know why, but the sellers just don't seem to flash them

[hollow atlas]

That's annoying lol

Well, thanks for clearing that up

I'm much more familiar with Z-Wave at this point, but I have a number of Zigbee devices currently hooked up to my Hue and SmartThings hubs. I don't think I'll replace the Hue hub (at least, not right away), but I'd like to replace the SmartThings hub to cut down on complexity and the number of companies that get to harvest my data.

I've been doing a little reading on Zigbee, and am I misunderstanding or does Zigbee really just not support as many devices?

[austere patio]

As in number of products you can buy, or total number of devices on your network?

[hollow atlas]

I take that back, it seems that the big concern is it operating on 2.4GHz

not the number of devices

[forest cobalt]

You can reduce/mitigate the interference on the 2.4ghz frequencies though.

[austere patio]

It's a concern but I wouldn't call it a "big" concern. Just don't put sensors on your microwave and make sure to stay away from common WiFi channels

The protocol itself (and some hardware) does support sub-GHz frequencies but I've never seen any consumer Zigbee devices that use anything other than 2.4GHz

[hollow atlas]

Ok, good to know

Do you suggest hooking this up to a dedicated Raspberry Pi and then point HA on the current RPi at the new one?

Or does it work just as well with the dongle plugged directly into my HA RPi?

^that's how my Z-Wave dongle is connected

[austere patio]

It's not that computationally intensive so either will work but only Zigbee2MQTT supports running in that configuration

ZHA runs as a HA component and talks to the hardware directly

[hollow atlas]

Is Zigbee2MQTT inferior to ZHA?

[austere patio]

But if your second computer is hooked up with a stable connection (i.e. not WiFi), you can expose the serial port over the network and connect that way with ZHA

So no real difference if you set it up right

[forest cobalt]

They are pretty much equal except that Zigbee2MQTT does all of it's messaging over MQTT and can run on pretty much any computer in your network.

[hollow atlas]

Ok. For the sake of simplicity, I'll probably connect the dongle directly to my HA RPi and then run Zigbee2MQTT. If I run into issues, I can explore using a dedicated device with ZHA

[forest cobalt]

IE: If your HA instance goes down, so does your ability to control your Zigbee devices. If you have Z2M setup on a separate machine along with MQTT, you can still control your devices through the Z2M dashboard.

[hollow atlas]

Oh, so it's the other way around. I'd have to run ZHA if I plug the dongle directly into my HA RPi

[hollow atlas]

Hmm, that's a fair point

I guess that's the same limitation as to if my Hue hub were to go down today

Same idea

But it's a good trade off to note

[forest cobalt]

No. You can still run Z2M as an add-on (if you are running OS or Supervised). You can also run Z2M in a docker container alongside HA if you are running Core or Container).

[austere patio]

Basically there's no difference in terms of coordinator placement and device configuration, you can run them on one computer or move your coordinator across the house to another. ZHA will just always run as part of HA, while Z2M can run elsewhere and talk over MQTT, but whether that's useful is up to you

Different implementations, different quirks, different bugs

Both support the CC2531 so you can try either one

[hollow atlas]

Awesome, thank you both

Will the Hue bulbs mesh with devices from other manufacturers or did Philips do anything to break that?

[austere patio]

Pretty sure they do but I don't own any

[dry fossil]

I'm sure I've seen people report that Hue work fine. Though it depends what you're trying to connect through them, since some of them use that Zigbee Light Link stuff.

[hollow atlas]

Interesting

Thanks a ton for your help

[blazing dagger]

Does anyone know if the Xfinity XHK1-UE is supported?

[dry fossil]

Is it on any of the lists in the pins?

[mellow geode]

Newer Hue bulbs work nicely. The older bulbs (without Bluetooth) have some issues though.

[cloud wind]

I think that’s a rebranded Centralite keypad. I have both generations but haven’t had the time to try either one yet

[blazing dagger]

I got one on eBay for $15, so Im going to make it work with zigbee2mqtt

But it would be nice if it worked with zha

[dry fossil]

Joking aside... if it works with one, it can be made to work with the other.

[tribal rose]

Given this error exampleCall-service API error. Error Message: None for dictionary value @ data['rgbw_color']"
Is there a way to see the supported commands for a device?

[mellow geode]

dmulcahey mentioned that he tested ZHA with a Centralite alarm panel: #zigbee-archived message

[mighty river]

Do you know any motion sensor but based on ultra sound? (this is how it's called in English?)

[violet dagger]

there are microwave sensors

[mighty river]

Oh, it's weird that they are called different in my language 😄 Anyway, so do you know any motion sensor based on microwaves?

[sour shadow]

Ultrasound for sound sensing, microwave is another thing

[violet dagger]

there's both

https://zigbeealliance.org/zigbee_products/wireless-tritech-motion-detector/

[mighty river]

geez...ok, I'm stupid. I shouldn't do any advanced thinking so early in the morning. So yeah, I confused devices and technologies. It's also microwaves in my language. 😛 Thanks for pointing that out for me 😄

[mighty river]

Hi all can anyone tell me what the best adapter delay setting is for a cc2652 in z2m?

Or is the best setting leave it as it is

[ivory hound]

i guess so

[sour shadow]

From a quick search, the answer is that you should leave it at the default (same for concurrency) unless you have a reason to change it - the defaults are generally sane

[blissful nacelle]

Anyone have a recommendation for a zigbee hub I can buy on Aliexpress? Have a 50usd coupon I have to spend soon

[sour shadow]

Don't, buy a Zigbee stick instead

CC2652 or CC2652p/p2 based ideally

[oak vine]

Whats against a hub vs a stick ??

[sour shadow]

Hub == "whatever this manufacturer supports", which is often just their brand
Stick == "whatever your chosen integration supports", which is generally many thousands of options

[blissful nacelle]

Meant a stick, just didn't realize there was a difference in what they are called

[sour shadow]

Hubs are all in one devices. HA is effectively a hub itself

[oak vine]

Hmm, I mistakenly thought a zigbee 3 hub would support all zigbee 3 devices.

Its worked with the things I tried so far, maybee one day I will be out of luck !

[sour shadow]

Well, it really depends on the hub, and what you mean by "support"

Also, the majority of options are still Zigbee 1.2 or older

[oak vine]

As ever, not a "simple" answer 😉

[sour shadow]

Well, it won't be, because so few things:

1. Are standards compliant
2. See (1)

Z-Wave Plus has been around for ages and there's still no universal device support, despite it being the kind of standard that Zigbee 3.0 is supposed to be

[oak vine]

I do love a "standard"

[blissful nacelle]

Are there any good sticks on aliexpress? The only thing I found when searching CC2652 were chips like this and I have no idea how I could connect it to a rPi4 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001688348955.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.63b61971h66VW2&algo_pvid=884685ca-8aa3-4ca0-8829-fe19651beef8&algo_expid=884685ca-8aa3-4ca0-8829-fe19651beef8-0&btsid=0b0a119a16203899282591302e6b39&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

[sour shadow]

Probably not on Ali, no

Still, a stick will use most of that $50

Better to buy one separately (eg Tube's since you appear to be US based) and then spend the money on Zigbee devices

[blissful nacelle]

That's expected, the ones I saw on Amazon were ~40euro

[blissful nacelle]

Am EU based (more specifically Czech Republic)

[obsidian sandal]

@blissful nacelle When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

Then see the pinned messages 😉

[violet dagger]

technically you can buy all the stuff that goes into tube's hub on alix and make it yourself

[oak vine]

If your in EU Conbee 2 is in germany

[blissful nacelle]

Also can end devices like sensors from different manufacturers create a mesh if you use a ZigBee stick with HA? I read that it's normally impossible

[violet dagger]

end devices don't help in that regard

only routers

[oak vine]

Depends what you call an "end device"

EG a Socket is a router (since its mains power)

[violet dagger]

i don't call them, zigbee spec does

[oak vine]

But you might consider it an "end device" since its something you would control/read

[violet dagger]

no you could not

its like considering a bus a car

https://www.silabs.com/community/wireless/zigbee-and-thread/knowledge-base.entry.html/2012/07/02/what_is_the_differen-IYze

[oak vine]

LOL - I will consider it what I like 🙂

[blissful nacelle]

sorry, I meant stuff like sensors, switches power plugs which I thought could all work as repeaters to extend the mesh. Am new to all of this and didn't mean to cause confusion

[oak vine]

So a "power plug" would be called a "router in zigbee talk.

[sour shadow]

There's not really confusion, it's just somebody who doesn't want to use the standard terms 😛

[violet dagger]

yes devices with routing capabilities can create a mesh between different manufacturers but... some manufacturers are not making it fun

[sour shadow]

Cough Xiaomi

[violet dagger]

i didn't wanna name names

[sour shadow]

They're just the most common offender to be fair, pretty much everybody plays by their own rules

[violet dagger]

get zigbee 3.0 to increase your chances of a quality mesh network

[sour shadow]

I've had zero issues with my Zigbee 3.0 devices

[violet dagger]

although, so far seems its become just a label... cough Tuya, cough

[sour shadow]

Oh, yeah, I've read enough to stay the heck away from them 😂

We looked at the effort Xiaomi went to, and felt it was too much, so did even less

[violet dagger]

they say they're 3.0 compliant then they use some nonexistent clusters with their own protocol spec

[sour shadow]

I've been looking for a battery powered "wall switch" that supports binding and discovered that all my options are basically Xiaomi (nope, but their buttons do) or re-badged Tuya (nope)

That took me down a Tuya rabbit warren, and I wished I'd not read all that 🤣

[violet dagger]

these guys seem to be making ok stuff but no idea whether it does binding https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Earda_ESW-0ZAA-EU.html

how to check that?

[sour shadow]

TS0044 suggests Tuya, which would hint at no

[violet dagger]

one of the "Zigbee 3.0" ones https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Neo_NAS-TH02B.html

i have that one so i can check

[sour shadow]

Try to bind it to a socket, see if it can do that and then turn it on and off

[blissful nacelle]

Can a zigbee 3 stick punch through 2 thin walls? Or should I concider some something with a repeater capability in the middle room?

[sour shadow]

Maybe

[violet dagger]

probably not 😄

[sour shadow]

The answer really comes down to what "thin" means, and the angles, and materials, and ...

[blissful nacelle]

Wifi 5ghz signal strength goes from -30dBm few meters from the router to ~ - 55 in the place I want the zigbee device
if that helps

[forest cobalt]

That should be fine as 2.4ghz signals can pass through easier than 5ghz can.

Plus, you can add as many routers as you need in your mesh. For instance, I have a friend that had to put a router on each side of a 9" solid cement wall just to get a signal through (was actually pretty funny to see him do it).

[blissful nacelle]

From what I understood, the only things that can extend the mesh are devices that get (close to) constant power, which may be an issue as the flat was made in the early 1980s and there are only few power plugs per room
but correct me if I'm wrong

[violet dagger]

basically but not completely correct

[sour shadow]

Yes, but that includes USB sticks with router firmware

And some "always on" devices aren't routers

(Some bulbs, some wall switches, and probably other bits)

I use some CC2652 devices with router firmware, and they're pretty awesome

[blissful nacelle]

So a device that recieves constant power may or may not be a router, but something like a battery powered switch or a sensor are almost never routers? (and the USB controller sticks are always routers)

[sour shadow]

Something battery powered are never routers

[violet dagger]

you can flash routing firmware to devices with batteries

[sour shadow]

[violet dagger]

not gonna help you much in the long run

[sour shadow]

🤣

[violet dagger]

or you have a really really big battery

[sour shadow]

USB sticks with router firmware are routers. Otherwise they're not

[blissful nacelle]

Welp, will just try it without a repeater since I can always buy one later

[violet dagger]

that's the spirit, don't worry about problems you don't have yet

[sour shadow]

Also, don't worry too much about LQI once you're running. Most people's experience is that as long as things work, any non zero value is "good enough"

[mighty river]

Hi, I am using a Raspberry Pi 4B with Raspbee module from Dresden Electronic. But now my Home assistent setup doesnt recognize the module (GPIO pin based).

From what I read its due to Raspberry pi 4 requiring disabling of bluetooth to make this work.

I need to update the config.txt for that, but since im using the Home Assistent image for raspberry, there is not config.txt. Anybody can help me?

[austere patio]

I'm not sure if the Home Assistant OS's image is any different, but last I used one the Pi's SD card is formatted so that the boot partition is FAT32. You should be able to shut down the Pi and plug the SD card into any other computer.

[mighty river]

Ah will try that

[sour shadow]

HAOS uses Buildroot, not "normal" Linux

[mighty river]

deCONZ can also not recognize the module

[sour shadow]

It should be documented somewhere, but don't ask me where 😄

[austere patio]

Shouldn't it still have a FAT32 boot partition??

[sour shadow]

It will, but:

1. It may not have the files in question
2. Changes may be reverted if they're not done in compliance with the HAOS standards

#330990055533576204 may know more - it may even be in the pinned messages there, or they may know where the docs are for it

[short valve]

Are smartthings light groups local to smartthings itself? I can't get them to show up in HA and now I'm noticing that they don't show up as devices in the ST IDE either

[orchid ore]

I am trying to add deConz integration but I am getting could not get API key?

Its on docker

never mind. I got it.

[cedar coyote]

is it normal for contact sensors to go "unavailable" if not triggered via magnet for a day or two? these are all in place but i have not yet installed the magnet part of the sensors (waiting for good velcro alternative).
I would have expected they would ping the controller periodically at least to send temperature updates.

https://i.imgur.com/td8ar4g.png

Hitting them again with a magnet doesn't do anything on HA. It's like my controller is asleep

[sour shadow]

Not normal, it means that you've got a mesh/connectivity problem

Xiaomi devices are known to fall off if they don't like the router - as detailed in one of the pinned messages

[cedar coyote]

Going to the controller url/IP works fine (tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2 Web Server)

[sour shadow]

Well, yes, but that's IP, not Zigbee 😉

Graph the mesh, when they're connected, see how they're connected. Make sure you've got routers near enough, all the usual Zigbee troubleshooting

[cedar coyote]

No seperate routers yet, but one of the sensors is about 10 ft away from controller with direct line of sight.

[sour shadow]

That should be fine then, assuming you mean no obstructions

What are they?

[cedar coyote]

Iris il06_1s which are recognized as iMagic by Greatstar

I'll putz around with it, sounds like this is not expected behavior.

Thinking out loud but I wonder if I can program a node red flow to reboot the controller or reset the zigbee network somehow if it detects mass device fall off. Feels hacky

well, just rebooting the controller had no effect on device availability on its own so i think i have to very annoyingly go re-pair each sensor

[jolly narwhal]

Xiaomi or bust

[cedar coyote]

restarted HA. now sensors register but all come back as "closed" despite only one of them being closed. maybe it will update.

temps all came back

triggering them w/ a magnet and they all correctly report again

[thorny sentinel]

Anyone have any notion of when this itead zigbee dongle will be back in stock? https://www.itead.cc/zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle.html?sscid=51k5_7j3x3& Or any comparable alternatives?

[austere patio]

Have heard bad things about the way it's manufacturered. I wouldn't suggest any dongles from Itead unless you know what you're doing.

[thorny sentinel]

Gotcha. Do you have a recommendation for someone who doesn't know what they are doing?

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended options being the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), Tube's CC2652P2 based coordinators and the TI Launch-XL boards. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: atxbyea

[austere patio]

Elelabs or a CC2652 for ZHA, CC2652 for Z2M

[thorny sentinel]

Just to double check that I'm not barking up the wrong tree here, is there any issue with using a windows host machine to act as the coordinator for a zigbee network? I have an existing 24/7 uptime media box that I'd like to just hook up a stick to. As far as I can tell this seems kosher, despite maybe needing to put the stick at the far end of a USB extension, am I missing anything?

[violet dagger]

which gateway solution do you intend to use?

[thorny sentinel]

I am undecided and could probably be convinced to go with any of them.

[violet dagger]

then taken into consideration you can only use Windows your choices narrow down severely to z2m and deconz (i think)

[thorny sentinel]

Well, let me clarify, the windows machine is just a host for a number of hyper-v instances. If it's possible I'd just pass any hardware into a VM.

[dry fossil]

USB passthrough 🤢

[thorny sentinel]

Maybe doing that opens its own can of worms, but that would be where my gut tells me to start from.

[dry fossil]

Many people have reported issues with USB passthrough into VM's with deCONZ. You'll probably want Z2M.

[jolly narwhal]

Hyperv doesn't support usb passthrough

[dry fossil]

Also... containers > VM's.

[thorny sentinel]

Sure okay, then lets say it's virtualbox and I'm containerizing everything in a rancherOS instance, what then?

[jolly narwhal]

That sounds horrible

Why bring rancheros into this

[dry fossil]

Debian + Docker Compose + Z2M. Sorted.

No passthrough issues. Lightweight and compartmentalised.

[thorny sentinel]

Let's just say I have a gun to my head and my captor is forcing me to passthrough from windows 🙂

I get there will be issues and I'm not asking anyone else to be responsible for fixing them, so I'll just figure it out, I guess.

[austere patio]

Passthrough affects only certain USB-serial chips, from what I remember

The cheap CH340?

If you get an ethernet coordinator like tube's it's not an issue, as there is no passthrough. You can also "make your own" with socat and a second ethernet-connected computer.

[thorny sentinel]

Is this a quote pulled from somewhere? Could you please direct me to the source if so :)

[violet dagger]

low confidence factor for puddly 🤣

it doesn't affect passthrough since you're not passing through anything

instead you're using tcp

[austere patio]

Or maybe https://github.com/cminyard/ser2net

If you're going the remote coordinator route there's plenty of documentation for each one

Just use socket://ip.address:port as the serial port with ZHA (tcp:// with Z2M?) and it'll work

[tribal rose]

How would a person determine if spotty or slow zigbee performance is due to the stick, the software, the device, the mesh, or something else I haven't thought of?
The problem, I now have 39 devices - all light bulbs. Sometimes when a group of 4 in a fan are commanded on or off, they won't all react, or react very slowly. However this is almost always in the case of a 2nd command. Like walking into a dark room to get something, tap scene for them to turn on, grab keys, tap scene for them to turn off... there's 50/50 a problem with them turning off.

[austere patio]

Are you using Zigbee group commands or concurrently turning four lights on and off?

What coordinator are you using?

[tribal rose]

They're members of a group that I set up in the zigbee integration, and I'm sending the service calls to the group entity.

I think the answer to that is the HUSBZB-1

[austere patio]

If you're using a Zigbee light group they should all be instantly reacting at exactly the same time. When they do work, do they just quickly turn on in a sequence?

[tribal rose]

Yes typically that's how they work, but sometimes one or more of the group members won't react. This is most easily reproducible by sending one service call and then a few seconds later sending another one.

Or the reaction will still be simultaneous but 15 seconds after the service call

It's never like a cascade or a sequence

[austere patio]

So you're probably using a Zigbee group, not a HA light group

[tribal rose]

The only groups I've ever made are inside the zigbee integration

via the UI there.

[austere patio]

Which bulbs are these?

[tribal rose]

One sec..

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H8LZ7QK

[austere patio]

Hmm, those should be decent bulbs

When these bulbs don't react, were you previously sending a bunch of other light group commands with some automation (e.g. a motion trigger)?

[tribal rose]

No motion sensors, I use automation (node-red) from scenes sent by wall switches. Every control I have is a scene to command a group to turn on or off. For sure the easy way to reproduce the issue is to use one scene, and then a few moments later use another to the same group. I haven't tried sending a scene to one group and then another to a 2nd group. It's the same though if I use a wall switch scene, or just use the overview and toggle the group entity.

[austere patio]

So when the bulbs don't react on time, is it the bulb itself that's not turning on, or the UI in Home Assistant?

[tribal rose]

Both, the UI will agree that those bulbs didn't change.

[austere patio]

Looks like newer HA changes are going to break it in a few releases, but try out https://github.com/walthowd/ha-constant-modifier with ```yaml
constant_modifier:
bellows.zigbee.application.EZSP_DEFAULT_RADIUS: 5

[tribal rose]

Okay thank you

[austere patio]

Group commands bounce around for a while and the current default may be too high (at least that's my theory)

[tribal rose]

Awesome great insight thank you

[tribal rose]

to use this constant_modifier do I have the python file in a subfolder 'constant_modifier' inside the configuration directory? or do I have the python file directly in the configuration directory?

[austere patio]

The directory into custom_components, so custom_components/ha_constant_modifier/__init__.py

[tribal rose]

Ah, got it

Thanks

Rebooting now. does it matter that i'm running home assistant os rather than supervised or whatever other flavors there are

[tribal rose]

Is there a way for me to confirm if the constant_modifier is effective?

I think I have it in correctly, but don't see any obvious difference.

ah, well I got this from the config check.
Component error: constant_modifier - Integration 'constant_modifier' not found.

found a folder typo.. rebooting again.

[tribal rose]

Well not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get the configuration check to succeed.

https://imgur.com/a/TwUxo9A

https://pastebin.com/zb5hwSLd

[austere patio]

Hmm, might be an OS quirk. It works with core for me but I've never tried it with the OS.

[tribal rose]

got it

folder just needs to be constant_modifier

[austere patio]

Ah

It should log a warning saying what it patched

[tribal rose]

Okay cool, thanks

I hope this works. My node-red hack fix is only about 80% effective.

2021-05-07 18:00:47 WARNING (MainThread) [custom_components.constant_modifier] Patched bellows.zigbee.application, EZSP_DEFAULT_RADIUS = 5 (was 0)

[tribal rose]

didn't seem to help. perhaps not grouping would work better.

[naive ivy]

With the 2021.5 update, Should Home Assistant understand the supported color modes of my ZHA lights now, or will that require hacking together some new quirks?

I've had this sneaking suspicion for a while now that some of my RGB bulbs have washed-out colors due to the white channel(s) staying on.. I was hoping to test/fix that.

Maybe none of my current Zigbee bulbs expose control of the individual channels like that? Home Assistant only reports supported_color_modes of color_temp and hs

[gentle flint]

For a windows machine probably better to use Tube's ethernet coordinator. He has TI or Silabs based models.

[delicate lodge]

I got a Sengled Switch, that I want to work with my non-Sengled bulbs (WIFI)... the Sengled switch requires a Zigbee/Z-Wave hub, so I bought the Sengled HUB...

how do I get all of this integrate into Home-Assistant?

[naive ivy]

I don't think there's a Home Assistant integration available for the Sengled hub. You'd be much happier in the long run if you use one of HA's zigbee integrations with a USB zigbee stick.

It's pretty easy to set up, and you'd then be able to use just about any zigbee devices from any manufacturer

[rugged hinge]

I am getting this error from ZHA suddenly today. I run HA on docker. Any suggestions? I tried reseating the USB stick I use. Conbee

https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yzRw28ftBn/

I just looked in my configuration and it is mapped correctly

[plush dust]

Good morning all, Quick question. Does anyone managed to get the ZM-RT201 working in Home Assistant Core?

[tropic depot]

I think we have work to do in the integration to support color modes. I’ll try to look this weekend

[pastel pendant]

does anyone know how groups in the zigbee2mqtt add-on are recognized in the home assistant environment?

[jolly narwhal]

Just like in any other install of Z2M @pastel pendant

It's in the docs

[pastel pendant]

could you please point it out to me where I can find it in the docs? I created a group with some devices in it. And it's recognized by the z2m addon. But in my HA environment it won't show up.
this is what I followed
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/groups.html

[jolly narwhal]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/integration/home_assistant.html#groups

[pastel pendant]

thanks!

@jolly narwhal with your 2 comments you showed me what I was looking for, for a long time. you made my day!

[jolly narwhal]

[solid inlet]

I have just configured OTA firmware upgrade for Ikea devices in the ZHA integration. Question is, how will I know if there is an update to install?

[forest cobalt]

Z2M checks daily (configurable now) and will populate a sensor: sensor.[device]_update_state to true when there's an update for that device.

[dry fossil]

That's great but they asked about ZHA 😄

[solid inlet]

Thanks though 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Doh... LOL

Yeah, just ignore all that... OR... maybe I'm subliminally suggesting switching to Z2M 😉 hahaha

[jolly narwhal]

[solid inlet]

Just switched from deCONZ to ZHA, but would Z2M be another step in a good direction? Or just a matter of taste?

[sour shadow]

Largely taste at that point - do you want all your eggs in one basket, or not

[ember pine]

Does anyone know if deConz has changed something for the Ikea Remotes? deConz doesn't seem to recognize Left/Right arrows anymore.

Apparently a confirmed bug: https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/deconz-rest-plugin/issues/4821

[tribal rose]

do you recommend z2m over zha? If so why?

[sour shadow]

The channel history has that answered in depth many many times, but ... decoupling is good

I can use Z2M from multiple HA installs. I can operate my devices if HA is down for any reason. I can upgrade, or downgrade, Z2M separately from HA

[tribal rose]

oh sure, I see, because ZHA is an HA integration not a separate thing. That makes snese

I use zjs2m for the UI for my z-wave stuff but never thought of it in terms of decoupling before.

[sour shadow]

It's largely a matter of personal preference, some people prefer to put all their eggs in one basket

[tribal rose]

do you know if it operates on basically the same code on the zigbee side? I ask b/c I've had some trouble with my zigbee bulbs and responding to commands.

[sour shadow]

Well, yes but no

The Zigbee protocol is the same, how the software interacts with the stick is different

If the problem is with your mesh, changing the software likely won't help

[tribal rose]

Sure I understand the protocol is what it is

Yeah i don't know if it's a mesh thing, device thing, software thing, etc.

[rugged hinge]

I am getting this error from ZHA suddenly today. I run HA on docker. Any suggestions? I tried reseating the USB stick I use. Conbee

https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yzRw28ftBn/

[tribal rose]

do you see that device if you look in that directory?

[sour shadow]

If you just updated to 2021.5 then see the Breaking Changes in the release notes

You need to map the device, relying on udev is no longer supported

[tropic depot]

There is a breaking change in the release notes for docker

[peak dome]

My Ikea fyrtur blind is reporting 255 LQI and is quite close to the conbee 2 (using ZHA) but I can’t get it to do anything. Reporting 0% battery but it’s fully charged and the buttons on the blind itself work fine. Anyone with a similar experience?

[fleet lodge]

Does anyone know how the Maximum # of Zigbee 3.0 devices was calculated here -- https://github.com/Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware/tree/master/coordinator?

[rugged hinge]

I’ll look into the mapping

Is there a guide?

[fleet lodge]

I am looking into expanding a network to around 1,000 devices. Does anyone have a good resource for managing larger networks? I'd love to only have one gateway + one coordinator if it is possible.

[dry fossil]

I'd love to only have one gateway + one coordinator if it is possible.
You're in luck. That's pretty much the only way to build it 😉

I've never looked at the firmware but I'd guess the limit is mostly down to memory constraints. After all, they're just SoC's

[fleet lodge]

@molten linden how many devices do you think I could run on your coordinator?

on Z2M

[molten linden]

They use the z-stack fw you linked

[fleet lodge]

I believe you make the most powerful coordinators. It says that the MAX is 200 Zigbee 3.0 devices. Do you think this maximum is due to firmware constraints or hardware constraints? Do you think I would be able to add more than 200 and if so, how many theoretical sensors do you think this coordinator could handle?

[molten linden]

It’s both hardware and firmware. Mono is right it’s all memory constraints

‘’’Due to new security requirements in Zigbee 3.0, Zigbee 3.0 coordinators can only support a limited amount of Zigbee 3.0 devices.’’’

[dry fossil]

1k nodes is quite ambitious. You may want to break them into zones and have a coordinator for each zone. However, this means you'll have to do Z2M, since ZHA and deCONZ are closely coupled with HA.

[fleet lodge]

@molten linden I provision only Zigbee 1.2 devices. These are lighterweight payloads and do not have the security features that Zigbee 3.0 have. I wonder if I would be able to exceed these limits.

[grave ore]

help me please... i'm going crazy to integrate conbee2 into hassio ... i used the pen on windows 10 and it works great. In hassio I have followed many tutorials on how to install it but nothing. i also tried to install it with a clean version of hassio but nothing. both the deconz software and phoscon app start up but find nothing when I go looking

[fleet lodge]

"Z-Stack Firmware supports 50 Direct Children, 100 normal routes and 200 source routes"; I'm not sure 200 source nodes translates directly to "200 devices".

[molten linden]

I honestly do not know.

[fleet lodge]

Trying to avoid having multiple coordinators because then I have to provide a compute environments for each coordinator, and then a solid WiFi or Ethernet connection in each "zone". The facilities that we service usually only have an electrical closet where we can set up shop. Setting up units of compute + zzh dongles + WiFi configs / praying for ethernet connections is not ideal.

[molten linden]

You may get better insight with an issue on the z-stack fw repo.

[fleet lodge]

This is a really good idea. Thank you for the suggestion.

I also look forward to purchasing some of your hardware. I've heard nothing but good things and me being in Dallas, TX, we're not so far from one another 😄

[atomic summit]

is anyone aware of an issue in Zigbee2MQTT stopping color_mode: true against a light.mqtt integration in HA?

HA is failing to keep track of my lights state, and when I look in the logs I have
2021-05-09 01:19:20 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.util.logging] Exception in state_received when handling msg on 'zigbee2mqtt/DiningRoomFloorLampBigBulb': '{"brightness":254,"color":{"x":0.45985,"y":0.41059},"linkquality":102,"state":"ON","update":{"state":"idle"},"update_available":false}' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/mqtt/debug_info.py", line 32, in wrapper msg_callback(msg) File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/mqtt/light/schema_json.py", line 306, in state_received self._update_color(values) File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/mqtt/light/schema_json.py", line 245, in _update_color color_mode = values["color_mode"] KeyError: 'color_mode'

it implies to me that if the HA config for the light has color_mode: true specified, then HA is expecting a color_mode key in the JSON that is returned from Zigbee2MQTT thats not happening?

judging from https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt.io/blob/41fff0216a2d655df1e5403b56ceead634e070f3/docs/devices/LED1923R5.md color_mode: true was only added to the Z2M manual integration example in the past couple of weeks...

[thick plover]

Have looked at the docs - but cannot find how to adjust the temp sensor on a device to be accurate in zigbee2MQTT- anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Ah - config file...

[thick plover]

Also, interested to hear any feedback on ikea bulbs and switches?

[jolly narwhal]

98% of my bulbs are ikea

they are gr8

[thick plover]

Awesome will buy some 🙂

At a wife approved price point

[jolly narwhal]

I have picked up atleast 10% of them in the cheap corner of ikea

and most of them on sale when they have it

[thick plover]

They have sales? Must be a euro thing. Not in Australia 😂

[jolly narwhal]

they def do here

I've picked up CT gu10s for nok 70

[thick plover]

Picked up a selection of goodies to test out including their motion sensors

[jolly narwhal]

70 nok would be a little under 11AUD per bulb

their motion sensors are shite in my experience, only used the first gen though

xiaomi 4 lyfe

[thick plover]

Yeah that’s pretty good. The RGB ones were 29 aud, more than half the price of the hue

I have a bunch of xiaomi ones arriving tomorrow haha. If they do the job I’ll return the ikea ones

[jolly narwhal]

I only have one RGB bulb, the colours aren't great either

[thick plover]

yeah, the hue takes the cake there, thats for sure

[solid inlet]

Perhaps a bit out of scope for this channel, but if I install Z2M, can HA keep it updated, or will it be as a stand-alone thingy?

[thick plover]

    friendly_name: Hallway MotionSensor
    temperature_calibration: 2

Does this look correct for a temp adjustment in the config yaml for z2m? it hasn't changed the temp being reported

[jolly narwhal]

@solid inlet if it is an #add-ons-archived no idea, if it is a proper docker install, it's up to you

[sour shadow]

AFAIK add-ons auto-update

[jolly narwhal]

@thick plover looks right, have you restarted Z2M ? If you added it in yaml I think you have to, if you added it in the frontend it should be immediate

[thick plover]

you can add it in frontend? bloody hell that would have been easier

but yeah, i did restart z2m

[jolly narwhal]

Pretty sure you can, just go to the entity, do settings and add the value

[sour shadow]

Settings(specific)

[thick plover]

oh, it was prefilled in the frontend from what I had done in config. hit submit in the frontend just now and its changed it

thanks fellas

[jolly narwhal]

[blissful adder]

Hi guys. Let me be clear : I am a noob. Sorry in advance.
I just uninstalled DECONZ and now using native ZHA. but I am running into a trouble.
I have 3 lamps in my living room.
2 are HUE and 1 is TRADFRI.
The remote is IKEA.

I just installed a blueprint https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-ikea-five-button-remote-for-lights/253804

I am trying to link the remote to my group Living Room containing the 3 lamps.

First - There is a delay of seconds.
Second - When I turn ON only 2 goes on and when I turn OFF it turns off the ones that are on and also turn ON the one that was OFF... LOL!!! What a puzzle.

Any advice is appreciated.

[blissful adder]

I also have a ZBMINI. It is mounted in my Wall. Is there a way to pair it without haveing to press the button (meaning reopening my switch?) Can it pair with a pattern of multiple on-off? Or is it a must to reopen the swich?

[sour shadow]

Google says:

If you need to re-pair, press the reset button for 5-10 seconds until the green LED inside the case starts blinking

Problems with the Blueprint you're using would be better off asked either in that forum thread, or the #blueprints-archived channel

[blissful adder]

Tinkerer, I know what google says and I have already done it many times, but since there are some updates, I was hoping that with new firmware there would be an easier way that dismantling it all 🙂

[thick plover]

btw, @jolly narwhal - ikea batteries 34% out of the box 😤

[jolly narwhal]

xiaomi batteries

[thick plover]

they are god tier

can temperature_calibration only happen in full digits, i.e. no decimals?

[atomic summit]

I've used it with decimals before

[thick plover]

sweet as

looks like the outdoor hue motion sensor only reports in full numbers, where the indoor version is 2 decimals

[atomic summit]

huh, my outdoor hue reports in decimals

mines currently reporting 20.77

[thick plover]

i wonder if I have a setting incorrect?