zigbee-archived

[trim ore]

got a fibre run going down but that doesnt help with zigbee 😛

[sour shadow]

I'd be tempted to suggest Pi Zero + https://www.tindie.com/products/gio_dot/z-bee-duo-hybrid-cc2652p-zigbee-30-adapter/

[trim ore]

That might well work

[sour shadow]

You would want to use a USB network adaptor, to avoid interference

[mighty river]

I took the plunge and ordered a cc2652 from tube 🙂

These independent hardware initiatives are really cool

[amber gull]

line of sight range on 2.4ghz is quite good

I saw a tube router in an IP66 enclosure with external antenna yesterday -- I really want a version of that with poe for the back of my house so I can bridge about 120' to garden beds

[mighty river]

You have ethernet in your garden but not power? Nerd 😛

[amber gull]

no, ethernet to the back of the house - already their for external cameras

[mighty river]

Ah of course

[amber gull]

but I want zigbee soil sensors in the garden

[mighty river]

Damnit don't give me ideas 😄

[amber gull]

unfortunately out of stock with world wide component shortage - https://spruceirrigation.com/order/

[forest cobalt]

You could do it with a usb poe adapter.

[amber gull]

I could -- or I could hassle Tube to make a pricey ESP32 version that he spends a lot of engineering time on and then only 3 people buy one.

[forest cobalt]

Hahaha... I know he keeps avoiding that subject every time he's asked. 😉 Make that 4 people. I'd absolutely put good dollars down on a PoE version of both the router and coordinator.

[amber gull]

Though there is still some z-stack bug that breaks my network on the router

[mighty river]

I'd spend 10 bucks on that. Maybe even 12

[forest cobalt]

That's weird. Mine have been damn near perfect.

[forest cobalt]

It'd be a bit more than that. PoE boards, for whatever stupid reason, are still way overpriced. I get the PoE is all the rage right now, but the pricing has gone nuts on them.

[amber gull]

Seems tech for passive poe would be just peanuts -- no handshake, just voltage on the wire

[mighty river]

Yeah was just kidding 🙂

Supply and demand, plus PoE being "professsional" tech

Mom and pops are starting to become aware of zigbee, PoE not so much.

Maybe I can sell them my cc2531 stick, else it's going straight to the bin

[azure tinsel]

Well if you throw it away you can always send it to me 😅

[mighty river]

Meh, it's not that I'm greedy, they're like 3 bucks shipped from China nowadays, I can't even post it for that unless you're in NL 🙂

[azure tinsel]

I am 🤣

[mighty river]

It wasn't supposed to be like that!

[cerulean kindle]

hello i have a strange issue.. i added zha with a flashed tasmota sonoff zigbee bridge and i see as a controller deconz ?

deconz bridge to be precised

i had to add a device through this bride ... very confusing as my conbee stick is not alttached

[mighty river]

I'm having trouble understanding what you're seeing and where

[cerulean kindle]

no problem 🙂 another issue some devices just become unavILABLE

THAT SUXKS AND MAKES ZHA REALLY UNRELIABLE .8

sorry keyboard lagged 😛

[violet dagger]

ROFLMAODOGE

[mighty river]

I feel your pain, dealing with a sonoff zb bridge myself

[sour shadow]

Well, using a WiFi connected Zigbee bridge .... isn't the best choice

It is slightly better than learning to juggle with running chainsaws, but only slightly

[cerulean kindle]

i still have a deconz stick

[violet dagger]

i like it for testing devices on ZHA and thats it

[cerulean kindle]

well seems like the bridge is a bit ... buggy 😛

[violet dagger]

bridge works fine

its wifi

[cerulean kindle]

devices buggy ?

my wifi is great

[sour shadow]

Your setup is likely the problem

[cerulean kindle]

have unifi 🙂

[violet dagger]

tube's does the same thing but wired

i love the "my wifi is great" statement

[cerulean kindle]

why devices become unavailable then ?

[mighty river]

Especially in combination with unifi, heh

[sour shadow]

It's about what I'd have expected 😉

[cerulean kindle]

well my whole setup of 40 devices has NO probs 😛

[violet dagger]

your wifi will never be great. period.

[cerulean kindle]

yeah ok .. then.. should i go with my deconz stick?

[violet dagger]

dealer's choice

[cerulean kindle]

can i add two zha instances? nope i don't think so right?

[sour shadow]

It's a better choice than a device that has a built in interference generator IMO

[mighty river]

Can still use the sonoff as a router and disable the wifi, in that sense it's great.

[cerulean kindle]

Device info
unk_model
by unk_manufacturer
(Device unavailable)
Firmware: 1.0
Zigbee info
IEEE: 00:21:2e:ff:ff:01:01:fa
Nwk: 0x0000
Device Type: Coordinator
LQI: 255
RSSI: Unknown
Last Seen: 2021-04-22T19:05:45
Power Source: Mains

my bridge? seems like it has a problem no?

[sour shadow]

No

[cerulean kindle]

@mighty river how?

[mighty river]

I was about to rip off the chip and connect it straight through USB-serial, but then I got bored and got a cc2652

[sour shadow]

Just buy one of Tube's network connected coordinators, and call it done 😛

[mighty river]

Can just flash a no-op arduino sketch pretty much. Not sure if you need a different firmware first, but even that is simple if it's running tasmota already.

Maybe tasmota can disable wifi, I don't know.

[cerulean kindle]

what firmware do u use forthe bridge= mine is 9.3.1

hanging here 😛

interviewing device.. after i restarted the bridge

[mighty river]

Tasmota? I don't know, I switched it to esphome just a couple of days ago. But zb firmware: EmberZNet version: 6.7.8.0 build 373

Latest one from the tasmota fw repo, AFAIK

[19:13:31][D][streamserver:050]: Client 172.16.0.5 disconnected woop caught one

esphome and remote logging is great for this

Great for telling you what you already know and need to fix... but still 🙂

[cerulean kindle]

esphome on tasmota zigbee bridge=

`?=

looks like i have two controllers 😛 i have ONE sonoff bridge but integration shows two..

EZSP = Silicon Labs EmberZNet protocol: Elelabs, HUSBZB-1, Telegesis
by ZHA

with this I cannot add devices .

try to add sonoff mini zigbee relay

some where added well another not .. same with xiaomi magnet sensors .. one changes status one not

by saying this .. it worked adding the mini sonoff z 😛

[mighty river]

https://gist.github.com/oxan/4a1a36e12ebed13d31d7ed136b104959

And/or https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways/tree/main/esphome

zRST and bootloader pin as switches in esphome allows for tcp-serial updates, in tube's example.

By the way, apparently there's no ZB router firmware for either the new sonoff usb stick nor the zb bridge.

(yet)

[cerulean kindle]

ok.. good to know but it is really annoying how unstable this zha / zigbee is :

[sour shadow]

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% likely to be a problem with your setup, not Zigbee in general, and not ZHA in general

[cerulean kindle]

@sour shadow why it is always MY fault ?

[sour shadow]

Because... that's your life?

[cerulean kindle]

i mean what can i do wrong to setup zha?

[sour shadow]

have a look through the pinned messages

There's a load of things you can screw up with Zigbee

[cerulean kindle]

for example?

[sour shadow]

Biggest one would be using a Zigbee coordinator that's WiFi connected 😉

[cerulean kindle]

lol

[sour shadow]

But there's channel choice/WiFi interference, brand choice, lack of routers, use of Zigbee 1.2 vs 3.0, and more more more

[cerulean kindle]

i have every 3 meters a router of zigbee (main source)

some devices just work fine some not

i doubt it's my wifi

[sour shadow]

Why?

Have you actually checked?

[cerulean kindle]

because switching on one zigbee devie works .. another NOT

[sour shadow]

or are you just assuming that strong wifi != Zigbee interference

[cerulean kindle]

while device 1 still works / responses

my wifi is set to low

on all PAs

[sour shadow]

Right, and that doesn't rule out interference

[cerulean kindle]

but why then one zigbee device works while another not?

[sour shadow]

That's like saying because a bulb works in one room, the other bulb in another room can't possibly have failed

[cerulean kindle]

well as said i have plenty of zgbee rotrs n the house

[sour shadow]

Right, and if they're not in the right spot for that device they may not help

That device could be in a spot where there's too much interference, along with a weak Zigbee signal

Hell, it could even be faulty

[cerulean kindle]

that makes sense

wait there was an article for zigbee wifi inteferrence

[sterile sleet]

I'd contact unifi support

[cerulean kindle]

lol

i need to find out how to change the channel of the zigbee bridge 😛

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#defining-zigbee-channel-to-use

there it is

[austere patio]

Won't take effect since you've already formed a network

If you're specifically having problems with Aqara devices, move them to where they will end up sitting and permit joins only through the closest router

[mighty river]

Is that what "add devices via this device" in zha does?

[austere patio]

Yes

[cerulean kindle]

so changing the channel does not work at all? how can i delete this network?

[mighty river]

Cool, prolly gonna rebuild my network and do it like that.

[austere patio]

Connections change over time though so it's just a suggestion most of the time

[cerulean kindle]

well then i will also do that.. do i remove integration or how would that be ?

i will then all battery devices via main devices close to them 🙂 good point .

[austere patio]

Aqara specifically has issues picking good parent routers

Most other end devices do fine

Before changing the channel, I would really re-join your Aqara devices first. You likely don't need to change Zigbee channels as long as your WiFi is on one of 1/6/11

[mighty river]

Be aware of the neighbors too, though..

Best use one of them scanning apps on your phone if you live in a densely packed area.

[cerulean kindle]

rejoin = delete device and re add it ?

[austere patio]

Reset the device with its button, permit joins only through the closest router, and re-join it

[cerulean kindle]

but i must remove it from zha also no?

[austere patio]

Removing devices from a Zigbee network is really just a kind request. Once they have the network key they can keep joining the network all they want.

Yeah, it won't hurt

[cerulean kindle]

well.. ok .. wanna check if the network channel changed after having set it in the config.

it is written in the logs right?

[austere patio]

The settings are read only if you form a brand new network

[cerulean kindle]

and there's no way to purge the network at all ?

[austere patio]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/wth-i-cant-change-the-zigbee-channel-when-using-the-zha-integration/226579/2

Not through the web UI, no. You'd need to do it with the bellows command line utility

[cerulean kindle]

won't work as i am using wifi bridge sonoff

[austere patio]

It'll work

[cerulean kindle]

why it's not possible to rebuild the network via integration?

pip3 install bellows
export EZSP_DEVICE=/dev/ttyUSBX
bellows leave
bellows form -c X

well my device is wifi 😛

/dev/wifi/cxxx 😛 ok that was stupid 😛

[austere patio]

Yeah, just replace /dev/... with tcp://... and it'll work

[cerulean kindle]

aaaa

ok

[ivory hound]

from what I've read in last half hour i can say, @cerulean kindle read some docs

[austere patio]

socket://, my bad

[cerulean kindle]

wow... i might stick to channel 15 ? 😛

[austere patio]

Did you run the scan to check channel interference?

[ivory hound]

also see that in pinned messages there is some post by me on how to change channel on elelabs zha

read also about wifi / zigbee / bluetooth interference

[mighty river]

Ok what am I looking at when doing bellows scan? Competing networks?

[austere patio]

If you do an -e scan, it just checks for 2.4GHz interference

[mighty river]

What's -e? Not a bellows option I think?

[austere patio]

bellows -d /dev/... scan --energy --duration 500 scans all of the 15 Zigbee channels for 500ms each

Without -e/--energy, it'll just tell you what Zigbee networks exist nearby

[mighty river]

Hm why do I not have that option?

I was assuming I had the latest version, but maybe not

0.23.1?

[austere patio]

Shows up in bellows -d /dev/null scan --help for me

And it's been around for a long time

[chilly inlet]

Hello all, i'm new to the discord-server so please excuse me if i'm in the wrong channel or for under/over explaining my problem, or if i'm interrupting a ongoing thread.
I've been using HA for about three year now and its been an absolute amazing experience. Although i'm having some issues with some of my ikea trådfri devices which suddently became unavailable a couple of days ago. My HA install is running on the Home assistant blue, with ZHA connected to a Conbee2.
As said, a couple of days ago my Ikea Trådfri 30w Driver and Ikea Trådfri motion sensor suddently became unavailable in HA and haven't been responsive since. I've tried resetting the devices - no luck, restoring an older version of HA - no luck, power cycling the devices - no luck. All the other zigbee devices are working normally(also my second Trådfri 30w Driver daisychained to the problematic one). Has anyone else seen this problem and knows if there could be some known issues with these devices i might have missed?

[mighty river]

Ah ok, it's supposed to go after the scan command, not just anywhere in the command

Works now, tnx 🙂

[austere patio]

Have you permitted joins on your network and re-joined the devices?

And the 30W driver: did you physically disconnect it from power when resetting it?

[chilly inlet]

Yes, i've also tried physically disconnecting the 30w driver quicly 6 times as that seems to be the way to reset some of ikeas other trådfri router nodes

[austere patio]

If your network has been up for a long time, you may have just run into the Trådfri lockup bug, where the device itself freezes. If you haven't already tried it, you need to completely power it off for like 10s and then turn it back on

Quickly powering it on and off sometimes doesn't work because the device still stays "on" for a little bit after you disconnect it from power

[mighty river]

If it goes into pairing mode (i.e. pulsing), does that mean it's no longer locked up?

[chilly inlet]

I'll try that right now thanks! Do you recommend trying to re-join the network right after this(putting ZHA into joinmode)?

[austere patio]

If you didn't factory reset it by accident, it should just re-join on its own without you having to do anything else

[mighty river]

..but rejoining rarely hurts

[austere patio]

I suspect it is the lockup bug though, since the motion sensor may have been a child device of the driver and since its parent never went offline, it will keep trying to route messages through it

[mighty river]

I've heard from others that the solution is to get a wife. She'll stubbornly power-cycle your zigbee devices randomly.

[sour shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/true-its-thinking-so-true-gif-12732582

[mighty river]

Wife is lower maintenance than a zigbee network, too.

[sour shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-really-no-words-huh-gif-3316515

[forest cobalt]

Not my wife... she's actually REALLY good at not killing my mesh. Credit where credit's due.

[ivory hound]

mate i have a bad news for you

and one good

ikea has a bug that does exactly wheta happen to you'

[chilly inlet]

Does not seem to have worked :/

[mighty river]

The good news is: your investment will only be about $50,000

[ivory hound]

the good news is if you dich them you wont have that issue anymore

[mighty river]

Nor will you have to worry about any other hobby expenses, as everything will be spent on lights

[austere patio]

I think there's a little hole on the driver that you use to enter joining mode?

[mighty river]

There isn't even bad news

[austere patio]

I don't believe the power cycling does anything

[chilly inlet]

Ye, i tried that after confirmed the device still wasn't becoming available to HA. No juice tho

[austere patio]

You'd have to enable joins in ZHA first

[ivory hound]

trust in what I've said, ditch them

[chilly inlet]

Haha, maybe if i take it to ikea they'll replace the faulty device? 🙏

[austere patio]

How much is Philips paying you to rag on Trådfri?

[cerulean kindle]

stupid question.. someone who wuses conbee stick for router only

?

[sour shadow]

There's no such firmware

[austere patio]

It's a software issue, not a hardware issue. The replacement would have the same problem. If you did power the driver off for like 10-20s, enable joins in ZHA and then press the tiny button or whatever you do to get the driver into joining mode

[ivory hound]

@chilly inlet trust me man I say for the last time, if you want a happy life and good ha experience, ditch them

[mighty river]

It'll be susceptible to the same issue, but if they trade you one that's currently not locked up, problem solved for now 😄

[ivory hound]

isa bug that Ikea did not fix for years now

[chilly inlet]

oh, okay. So that software issue is most probably bound to happen to my other 30w driver aswell?

[mighty river]

Disclaimer: possibly not the only thing you have to do to get a happy life and good ha experience.

[ivory hound]

yes

[austere patio]

It's not Ikea, it's any manufacturer using the slightly older Silicon Labs SDK. Once they migrate their code to the newer release it'll be fixed implicitly.

You get the same issues with Consciot/Ecosmart/probably other manufacturers

[ivory hound]

that did not happen in last 3 years

[violet dagger]

there's always next year 🤣

[chilly inlet]

wow, good to know. Thanks, i'll definitely look for replacement vendors for my kitchen lights from now on!

[ivory hound]

yeah in my opinion if a product is good, is good from the beginning

[austere patio]

It was fixed by Silicon Labs in March of 2020 so...

I lied, August

[mighty river]

That's like yesterday in the landscape of zigbee, give 'em some time!

[sour shadow]

Well, it's yesterday in most development, and Ikea's OTA server has been broken for a while now

[ivory hound]

let's be serious, i never show an update for my tradfri bulbs, they come with the latest firmware 3 years ago 😅

[austere patio]

That's Z2M's fault

[sour shadow]

Firmware 20200312 here

On Z2M 😉

Updated after I bought them

[ivory hound]

from time to time i connect them to check for updates and ikea server say's NO NO

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/ota_updates.html#using-the-ikea-tradfri-test-server

[austere patio]

But yes, their OTA containers are kinda screwed up. At least they didn't close off the API endpoint that we're all happening to use without issues for this long.

[ivory hound]

🤣

i am glad i steer in the right direction one person today, @chilly inlet

prowd

one more happy person that wont say zigbee suks becose of IKEA bug

[mighty river]

Does zha have a manual update trigger?

OTA for Ikea, I mean

[ivory hound]

manual?

[mighty river]

zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/device/ota_update/check am reading that

[chilly inlet]

Haha, honestly i haven't had much issues with other Ikea devices, but i did return a control outlet some time ago, might have been the same problem actually.

[mighty river]

Wondering if I can do that with zha

[ivory hound]

no, you can make it update

but not like z2m

[mighty river]

I've seen it happen automatically, but wanted to trigger it just to see what firmwares my stuff is on

And whether that's latest

[ivory hound]

you want to update from net or ota folder?

[mighty river]

It's not like Ikea publishes a changelog..

[ivory hound]

@chilly inlet only router devices have that bug

Ikea battery devices are not routers, so you wont have any issue with that

@mighty river you can trigger an update on ZHA by power cycle the device

[mighty river]

Ah ok.. but then I suppose I need to watch the log and possibly change the level as well to see it

[ivory hound]

if ota is set proper and you fallow the log you will see it

[mighty river]

The log thingy I see when scanning for new devices.. is that available stand-alone anywhere?

[ivory hound]

you will find this details in ha log

[austere patio]

You can directly read those attributes from the OTA cluster

[mighty river]

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to circumvent 😔

@austere patio yeah that I found, for the current sw version anyhow.

[austere patio]

They publish some changes here: https://ww8.ikea.com/ikeahomesmart/releasenotes/releasenotes.html

[chilly inlet]

I thought this was a router device https://www.ikea.com/no/no/p/tradfri-adapter-90356166/ 😯

[mighty river]

I came across this json thing that had all the latest links, temporarily misplaced it though.

[austere patio]

It is

http://fw.ota.homesmart.ikea.net/feed/version_info.json?

That's where ZHA and Z2M pull the IKEA OTA files from

[mighty river]

Ah yes, thanks

[ivory hound]

it is, and yes is affected by the bug

[quick hare]

Has anyone had this issue with one of their ZigBee device under ZHA? (Device ignore the Fast Poll Timeout parameter and just check-in eternally?) : https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/49355

[ivory hound]

i sow that issue on some guys lock

some ppl seem to have this issue

[quick hare]

Oh is it the bug you are refering just earlier?

[austere patio]

I think there was a similar one with Trådfri remotes?

[quick hare]

We are to wonder if it is also the issue with IKEA devices.

Yeah

[ivory hound]

nop

[quick hare]

Have you guys tried the Fast Poll Stop command with it?

[austere patio]

Let me try it out with an IKEA remote

[quick hare]

Because for my door lock, it ignores the fast poll timeout but according to ZigBee spec, the client should end the check-in session with a Fast Poll Stop. For the case of my door lock (Yale), it did it.

[austere patio]

That seems to match what I remember with an IKEA remote I joined to a test network and then left in a box for a month

Coordinator was unplugged and the remote's battery was completely flat

So it also seemed to never stop fast polling

[quick hare]

Mhh weird. If the remote does not have a client with who to check-in, why does it fast poll?

Ahhh omg I think I know what you are talking of.

I’ve shutted down my ZigBee coordinator for an hour and just of a sudden, my IKEA remote battery got flat.

[austere patio]

Hmm. It seems to stop fast polling for me after a bit but if I unplug the coordinator it sends beacon requests (and I assume scans for its parent network) every time it's moved

[quick hare]

After a bit is like hours? or Minutes? 😛

[austere patio]

Less than a minute

[quick hare]

Oh wow ok

[austere patio]

I'll try a few more times, maybe it's not consistent

[quick hare]

My lock just check-in for hours and hours.

ok

I should check my IKEA remote more often to understand what is happening but to be honest I just hate it so much..

[austere patio]

Yeah, the Sonoff/eWeLink temp sensor polls like every second for a few minutes after joining

But not for hours

[quick hare]

I’ve returned every single IKEA product I had.

ok ok

[mighty river]

I remember seeing some chatter about this.. on zha community something. There were some cluster setting updates for the remotes, possibly made it into the current ha zha even, but I have yet to test.

But these ikea remotes go through batteries fast

[balmy ginkgo]

Anyone here use SNZB03 (Sonoff) motion detector.. i have 8 and 1 was working ok, 7 not. And now 8th one is also in continues trigger mode. every 2 mins it triggers. Over and over and over.
Wondering if i can upgrade the firmware somehow or is there another action i can take? Here's example of last 6 hours. It's like they buggy and get in some error-loop triggering all the time. https://i.imgur.com/jJCrfA9.png (No i do not walk past it ever 2 minutes 😉 )
It is under SHA now but previously using zigbee2MQTT they displayedthe same behaviour.

[quick hare]

You mean in the Poll Cluster?

(If you remember)

[mighty river]

Possibly but I'm new to zb, still learning...

[quick hare]

Ahh no stress.

[mighty river]

Can try to find the post later

[quick hare]

Yeah that be nice!

[sour shadow]

They're known to be junk

Search for them, you'll cry 😄

[mighty river]

My experience with those: they work great until they suddenly don't anymore 😩

[quick hare]

It’s my bible : https://zigbeealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/07-5123-06-zigbee-cluster-library-specification.pdf

[austere patio]

No, Sonoff (eWeLink) have written perfect firmware without OTA capabilities

[balmy ginkgo]

yeah.. i know that now. sadly S*** Youtubers dont seem to pick up on that in their reviews/ 😦
lol

[mighty river]

@quick hare tnx.. I wasn't planning to learn a lot about zb, but it seems to be inevitable

[austere patio]

v7 can be found here: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/blob/master/docs/Zigbee Cluster Library Specification v7.pdf

[quick hare]

I’m sorry. 🥲

[mighty river]

Well in their defense, they worked flawlessly for months for me. But they could have posted followups

[quick hare]

Ohhh nice!!! Thanks!!

[mighty river]

I also have a hunch it can be battery-related. Reporting is wack and it does resemble blackouts

[balmy ginkgo]

thing is they DID work and then all one by one they have gon into this 2m trigger trigger trigger trigger trigger frenzy. This last one.. it was goodboy.. is what i called him. But now he too has the dissease :/

[quick hare]

We really should do a shame list for ZigBee stuff.

My heart is heavy..

[balmy ginkgo]

i also have aqara, they better. even the product. case and stuff.. much better quality

Well i guess lesson learned

[austere patio]

Crap firmware but it's good crap

Somehow Aqara knew in advance how hard Zigbee is to get right so I guess they just decided not to bother

[balmy ginkgo]

what you mean?

Seems to work so far.

[sour shadow]

See the pinned messages

[austere patio]

Their devices implement basically a minimal subset of Zigbee. They don't do attribute reporting, they just send reports on their own. They don't have polling, they just receive stuff whenever they feel like it.

[balmy ginkgo]

Think i find most annoying is things needing a hub.

aw ok.

[quick hare]

They also never change parent so good luck when they get the slight chance to run away!

[mighty river]

So basically they're treating it as 433mhz or nrf fire and forget. Well, that stuff does always work

[quick hare]

(almost) actually.

[mighty river]

Phew, got an mg21 module out of a lidl gu10, only ripped one pad off and it's a spare pwm channel, luckily

If an Ikea coordinator is called Billy, what will we call Lidl?

[quick hare]

Is the Konke contact sensor as reactive as the Xiaomi one?

[mighty river]

I vote Parkside

[balmy ginkgo]

It must have heard me talking.. it suddenly started working again.

Lets see for how long

[sour shadow]

Except... they do

[mighty river]

Yeah it seems they are somewhat sensitive to physical threats

[sour shadow]

I've found mine to be pretty responsive, maybe more responsive than the Xiaomi

[balmy ginkgo]

i read somewhere adding a (iirc) 300uF ceramic capacitor fixes it

[quick hare]

I’ve seen them go from their initial parent to the Coordinator but thats it.

[quick hare]

Woah nice!

[mighty river]

Ah yeah I saw the capacitor thing

[quick hare]

Love the Konke brand so far?

[sour shadow]

It seems more likely on a Zigbee 3.0 mesh with Zigbee 3.0 routers

[obsidian sandal]

@quick hare When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

Eh, no, not really... 😄

They work, but they only work on three channels, and they're ugly things

[austere patio]

I think some of those modules may have a locked down bootloader: https://github.com/MattWestb/IKEA-TRADFRI-ICC-A-1-Module/issues/3

[sour shadow]

I've got the Terncy contact and motion/light/temperature sensors on order, we'll see if they're better

[quick hare]

That’s all? That seem’s pretty good to me. 😅

[sour shadow]

@quick hare Please stop

[mighty river]

Is it ever really locked even for swd?

[sour shadow]

@quick hare tagging me

[balmy ginkgo]

@sour shadow are you referring to the zigbee device list? I knew about that.. i just thought moton works, switches work. why wouldnt lightbulbs work. 😦 snif

[quick hare]

Oh i’m sorry. Thank you for the reminder. I’m too much into slack.

[mighty river]

I'm about to build a bmp esp as mentioned there anyway

[austere patio]

Lmk how it goes. I have that same module sitting nearby just waiting to be flashed with coordinator firmware and then go straight into the Zigbee box

[mighty river]

It's a zslc5, the one I got from the lidl gu10, btw, not ikea

[austere patio]

I have one from a Leedarson bulb, like the red module in the GitHub issue

[mighty river]

I may rip one out of an Ikea at some point, but the Lidls give me an eye bulb rash

So easy choice to sacrifice

I started out with a non-destructive disassembly, but who am I kidding... it dead now

[balmy ginkgo]

1 minute in ... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[quick hare]

Is the IKEA Styrbar any better then the current IKEA remotes? Or does it suffer from the same issue?

[mighty river]

The sonoff sensors appear to be cc2530, booo. Still, that may just make it simpler to get replacement firmware at some point

[balmy ginkgo]

maybe when you have their hub it can upgrade

[austere patio]

You need a license for the architecture and the https://www.iar.com/products/ workbench thing to do that 😦

Only TI's newer chips have a free IDE

[balmy ginkgo]

lol i triggered the sensor.. now it;s in the loop again

[mighty river]

Oh.. then I suppose it'll go in the bin eventually

https://fccid.io/FHO-E2001/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-4917044 styrbar thing, I'm not in the loop but is that their regular module?

@balmy ginkgo are the batteries fresh?

[balmy ginkgo]

it says 100% tbh some had it from day 1. i had 8.

But when they start triggering every 2 mins the battery dains pretty fast

[austere patio]

Yeah, looks like the one from a bulb: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MattWestb/IKEA-TRADFRI-ICC-A-1-Module/master/teardowns/MGM210L022INF2.jpg

And it's the same one that I saw in the relay plug

[mighty river]

http://fw.ota.homesmart.ikea.net/global/GW1.0/01.13.025/bin/10078031-zingo_kt_styrbar_remote-1.0.024.ota.ota.signed I don't yet understand their numbering, but seems similar to their other fw?

[austere patio]

Similar?

[mighty river]

Is 01.13.025 their SDK or framework or something?

[austere patio]

Dunno, it's probably some sort of internal numbering

[mighty river]

Alright, but we don't know about these numbers? Like, if this or that changes, it's an entirely different series, or something? That's what I mean by "looks similar"

[austere patio]

The OTA files are mostly self-contained, everything you need to know about the image is in the image header

Like that specific image's header is OTAImageHeader(upgrade_file_id=200208670, header_version=256, header_length=56, field_control=<FieldControl.0: 0>, manufacturer_id=4476, image_type=4555, file_version=65572, stack_version=2, header_string='GBL SignedOTA', image_size=194002, *device_specific_file=False, *hardware_versions_present=False, *key=ImageKey(manufacturer_id=4476, image_type=4555), *security_credential_version_present=False), which tells you the file version, the manufacturer id, the image type, and optional hardware info

[orchid galleon]

anyone switched from zigbee2mqtt to zigbee2mqtt edge? Wondering if it'll keep all my devices

[quick hare]

I am not sure where that goes but when adding ZigBee (ZHA) groups to a scene, I can’t add only one group, it forces me to add all my ZigBee groups in the scene UI. Is this known? I guess it’s not a ZigBee issue either?

[mighty river]

@austere patio https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/zQmCQXJgzj/ well this looks kinda good

This is a different module, a TYZS3, it has the same form factor as an esp8266 and I had adapter boards for those, so I figured I'd try that before trying it on the fingernail module.

Not that I have firmware ready for either of 'em, anyway..

[mighty river]

@quick hare only just fiddling around with this, rebuilding my ZB network, but.. if I add the group to the scene via entities, I get the group I selected (with my coordinator as the device).

[quick hare]

Oh just the group (entity) you selected and not all the groups from your coordinator?

Are you using ZHA?

[mighty river]

Yes and yes 🙂

[quick hare]

Huh lucky you! I’ll try again with a new scene. Do you have more than one ZigBee group?

[mighty river]

Yeah, 3... though the other ones probably don't have devices yet

[quick hare]

Ahh that might help!

[mighty river]

They're not listed in the entities list and that's probably the reason

[ivory hound]

wtf is zigbee2mqtt edge?

😂

[orchid galleon]

The edge version (development)

[ivory hound]

ahhhh

i am sure there are guys in here that are on that branch

[sour shadow]

Certainly folks that run the dev Docker images

[ivory hound]

yep

[orchid galleon]

Yes, I just want to know if I switch to it tho, will I lose my dB of devices or will it use the same db

[jolly narwhal]

Is that what add-ons 🤢 call latest-dev then?

[sour shadow]

AFAIK the add-ons use the same folder, you should be fine

[jolly narwhal]

I've run latest-dev for over a year, no issues have been had

[orchid galleon]

Guess I can just copy the folder from add-ons to be safe

[orchid galleon]

Easy switch, all just works. Shame it doesn't report battery on some of the ZigBee devices

[sour shadow]

Well, that's possibly a Z2M problem, possibly a device problem

I know some devices just report ok/not

[orchid galleon]

Yeah will need to take a look at what's getting logged in herdsman.

I suspect that all devices Koenkk added will support everything, but PRs might not

Just need to figure out how this radiator thermostat works now 😂

[onyx scroll]

Hey, I'm running my zigbee network off of a cc2531 in zha and it got completely broken. I have a replacement cc2531 and have flashed it but how to I change the integration over to it?

[sour shadow]

Remove the old stick, insert the new one, check to see if the USB path changed

Oh, and plan on buying something that's not the worst possible choice 😉

[onyx scroll]

Thanks, thats what Ive done and it workrd, just checking there wasn't anything I missed

I know it's the worst option but that's why it's priced like it is

[violet dagger]

you know how they say: i'm not rich enough to buy cheapest stuff

[dry fossil]

You're going to get sick of it, buy a better stick and end up putting the 2531 in a drawer, never to be seen again.

It's not good value when it's wasted money.

[compact plover]

I got the llama thing and spent a bit of time setting up MQTT auto-discovery and I'm super happy with it

[dry fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/jules-mumm-bejules-sekt-lama-llama-gif-13278581

[near echo]

if you have the one without antenna, then solder one on it. It is bearable that way

[gritty frigate]

howdy

I ran into an issue with an Avatto button not being supported properly by ZHA (missing the quirks as it seems)

from a process perspective, is it OK if I just report it like https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/860 and leave it till someone looks at it?

[forest cobalt]

Yup. That's pretty much the process.

[gritty frigate]

great thanks - looks like an easy fix, any way to get some traction on it? 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Your other option would be to switch over to Z2M. 😉

[gritty frigate]

rofl

I am close, it keeps popping up

[forest cobalt]

Not really. The ZHA guys are great, but because it's a built-in HA integration, it has to go through full testing and approvals and then will get released with the next version of HA.

[gritty frigate]

MQTT is not safe 😄

[forest cobalt]

The hell it isn't. lol I use MQTT for EVERYTHING.

[gritty frigate]

I mean: not safe as I am coming and will break it 😄

[forest cobalt]

HA!

Ok, that's a better statement... 😉

[gritty frigate]

one thing I learned in the community: there is no way to avoid MQTT

nonetheless, the first one will be a Tasmota device so I can start playing with mqtt on its own

and that I expect will drag z2m with it naturally

[forest cobalt]

Z2M has a big advantage over ZHA in that as it's a separate product, it can be developed and deployed faster. Plus, there's built-in support for adding your own devices that aren't already supported.

[gritty frigate]

I've got the hardware and the test bench setup, so all that takes now is finding the time (meaning: anything that frustrates me enough to start doing it lol)

[forest cobalt]

MQTT is easy once you understand the basics of it.

[gritty frigate]

yeah - I asked why would anyone use mqtt - and I started a room of sales pitches with that 😄

[forest cobalt]

LOL

[gritty frigate]

but hey - now I understand 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Not surprising. Hell, there isn't much in my house that doesn't go through my MQTT cluster at some point.

https://tenor.com/view/knowledge-is-power-wisdom-information-education-power-gif-15839142

[gritty frigate]

yeah it leads there it seems - the fascinating thing about it is that you don't have to worry much about whether a device is zigbee, wifi or zwave, or whatever comes along - you can keep all nice and tidy

[dry fossil]

Using MQTT as an intermediary makes everything so much simple. Not just Zigbee... I made a little system tray app for Windows that hooks into HA via MQTT, it was a breeze to write.

[gritty frigate]

which is not an important point until you have 3 devices. I'm now close to 50, so yeah...

[dry fossil]

Decoupling 🔥

[gritty frigate]

oh yeah - I've got this concept that every router in the house (which is ~4 at this point) can do much more, so I ended up running stuff like OpenVPN server nodes (off topic), and I realized a few days ago that there's mqtt available for openwrt (on topic)

that's opening up a few mqtt broker options for me for best covg

[forest cobalt]

All my linux boxes report to my MQTT cluster using this: https://github.com/bkbilly/lnxlink and then get consumed into HA.

[gritty frigate]

oh nice

[forest cobalt]

@dry fossil We need a #mqtt channel 😉 Just sayin... lol

[gritty frigate]

holy shit 😄

that's a treasure box!

omg... I can forget the commandline sensor for good as it seems

[forest cobalt]

Yup! He also wrote a network scanner that pushes discovered devices on a subnet to MQTT as well.

[gritty frigate]

does it run on arm?

[forest cobalt]

Yup. It's written in Python

[gritty frigate]

git/python/pip do

[forest cobalt]

Bingo

[gritty frigate]

oh man, I'm gonna miss this stupid lockdown lol

I've got to remember all the stupid excuses I used on "The Wife" explaining spending the weekend in a dark room in front of a monitor

[forest cobalt]

I solved that by using my laptop. "Hey, we're sitting on the couch together, right?!" 😉

[gritty frigate]

I tried that at a restaurant. Pleasant is not the word I'd use to describe that experience 😄

vacation is the worst... like who on earth can expect anyone not to tinker with anything for a week...

crazy world

why doesn't mqtt have its own channel?

[sour shadow]

MQTT in general is #integrations-archived - except where it's #diy-archived or #zigbee-archived or even #zwave-archived 😂

[gritty frigate]

exactly 😄

[quick hare]

Sorry to bother but was wondering where you saw it actually? 🙂 Like in general here?

[forest cobalt]

No. I want a single #mqtt channel... damnit. LOL 😉 All MQTT, all the time. Because I'm an elitist like that...

[dry fossil]

MQTT has an overlap with plenty of existing channels. Sure, it's pervasive... but it doesn't need a dedicated channel.

[forest cobalt]

True, but I achieved my true goal of getting smacked by @sour shadow lol

[orchid galleon]

Anyone using the TuYa TRVs? Have you got a UI etc to control the schedules etc?

[dry fossil]

A Zigbee scheduling UI?

[orchid galleon]

Yea, you can set the schedules etc via mqtt, but just wondering if anyone has buit a specific UI for these TRVs

or if theres a UI to set a schedule for anything, and then do X at a certain time

[sour shadow]

This is HA... HA doesn't care how you integrate those

There is both a custom component and #frontend-archived card for scheduling

And of course there's Schedy

[ivory hound]

aaaaa ... what is mqtt 😂

[forest cobalt]

Only the best messaging broker/protocol on the planet... EVAH!!! 😉 LMAO

[ivory hound]

omg omg

😅

[forest cobalt]

LOL Tell me I'm wrong... heh

You can't. 😛

[ivory hound]

nee you are right i was joking

[mighty river]

It's not wrong, but who needs it?

[forest cobalt]

EVERYONE

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gary-oldman-everyone-gif-14317847

@mighty river I could be an ass and say that we also need Redis 😉

[mighty river]

Why not MySQL?

[dry fossil]

Something to do with it not being a pub/sub model 🤷‍♂️

[mighty river]

I have some php code for that

[dry fossil]

The 80's called, they want their PHP back.

[ivory hound]

lol

[jolly narwhal]

Turbopascal you say

[mighty river]

I want the 80s back 😄

Offtopic: if I set 3 bulbs to pairing mode (tradfris in this case, 3 GU10s in the same fixture), can they inadvertently pair with each other, or will they want to pair to a coordinator?

[forest cobalt]

LOL @dry fossil The company I work for, we are a PHP/Python shop... all day, every day. 😉

[forest cobalt]

They will always pair to a coordinator. They can use themselves as routing devices, but for pairing, only the coordinator can do that.

And technically, that's on-topic 😉 heh

[mighty river]

Alright, so no harm in that, cool tnx

[sand dew]

lol. Php wasn't even a thing in the 80s and is a much more robust language now especially in php8 than it ever was.

[forest cobalt]

I do love the new stuff in PHP8. Alright @dry fossil What's your language?

[mighty river]

I haven't looked at php for ages. I'll stick with my prejudice.

[thick plover]

Anyone used the Aqara temp sensors inside their fridge? Will they handle the environment?

[austere patio]

Someone reported theirs working down to -25C so I think it'll be fine hardware wise. Signal quality may be bad though.

[forest cobalt]

From https://www.aqara.com/us/temperature_humidity_sensor.html, the temp range is -20C-50C. So, yeah, should be safe, but as @austere patio said, you're probably going to see signal issues unless you have a repeater really close to the fridge.

[amber gull]

I have them in all fridges and freezers. Works well. Replace batteries maybe once or twice a year on freezers

[mighty river]

All fridges and freezers, that doesn't sound serial killery at all

[mellow pike]

https://imgur.com/8FRYOjR
The Porch Motion sensor is very close to the Bulb but it connects to the further away outlet

How do I force it to connect to the Bulb

ZHA

[mighty river]

Really forcing it isn't possible I think, but can try removing it, then going to the bulb device and select "add devices via this device"

Your bulb does seem to have a poor connection to.. well, anything, really.

[unborn compass]

I use my Aqara temp sensor in the freezer, and it's been working fine for months. fridge should be easy peasy

[ivory hound]

you don't

you just leave it be, zigbee mess networks heal themselfs if is needed

[ivory hound]

that wont help, at one point device will still change parent

[thick plover]

Awesome - the coordinator and some routers are within 5m of the fridge so hopefully will be ok

[smoky marten]

Hi, I'm using the Tuya integration to control all my Tuya devices but it seems that HA doesnt want to recognize my Tuya Zigbee hub. I'm using a couple of 3 Button remotes with it and I cant get them to show up in the device list. Does someone have a solution for that?

[jolly narwhal]

I would recommend using another platform

Zigbee2mqtt or zha

[smoky marten]

do you know if my remotes (the ones I currently own) would still work with another hub even though they are "Tuya certiefied"?

[jolly narwhal]

ZigBee will work with mostly any coordinator

For tuya WiFi devices I would recommend doing tasmota or esphome to get local control

[smoky marten]

Could you briefly explain what that is? sorry pretty new to this

[jolly narwhal]

Which part?

[smoky marten]

tasmota

[jolly narwhal]

Alternative firmware for esp based smart devices

That gives you full local control

Instead of cloud based

[smoky marten]

okay thank you so much I'm going to give it a try

[jolly narwhal]

Check the topic here

For links to zigbee2mqtt

And supported coordinators

[dry fossil]

A lot of brands will falsely claim that their stuff only works with their hub. You can almost guarantee that it'll work with the supported coordinators that us folk use here, though it might need a little work to support new devices if they're a little unusual and don't follow the standards.

[smoky marten]

yeah I was just about to ask. I'm guessing the devices on the zigbee2mqtt list are just tested devices right? so there might be a good chance I could get mine to work with a supported coordinator

[jolly narwhal]

Yup

I've even added unlisted devices myself

[dry fossil]

And if atx can do it, anyone can.

[jolly narwhal]

[ocean timber]

If something doesn't work, you can bet that someone is trying to fix it.

[smoky marten]

I am so glad I found this discord thank you guys so much

[ocean timber]

'Tuya' is an IoT platform that can use ZigBee - No guarantee of how the brands that use Tuya will implement ZigBee. Hopefully the Tuya 'No Code' and Low Code' framework does implement ZigBee correctly.

[jolly narwhal]

I only have one tuya zigbee device

But it behaves nicely

[tribal steeple]

Hi all, I use ZHA and bought a TS130F. i cant find a way to calibrate it. there seems to be a fix for zigbee2mqtt. but i dont use it.

[livid abyss]

Are there any known problems with ZHA in the latest HA version and the Sonoff bridge? Since I updated devices fall of the network and others respond with long delay, worked fine before. I tried to search the issue tracker but there's a lot of stuff on there...

[mighty river]

@tribal steeple I see an issue for it on zha github, but it may be a while before that gets fixed. In the meantime, you could temporarily set up zigbee2mqtt and do the calibration process there.. I imagine it's stored on the device so it should stick.

[tribal steeple]

@mighty river i can try, but i have to reset the device to join again.

[mighty river]

Hm crap

[tribal steeple]

I use ZHA and flashed sonoff bridge. No Problems

[tribal steeple]

Im not @ home now. But the down button keeps available even it at 0 or 100 %. Maybe an auto calibration. I will give it a try later

[mighty river]

@livid abyss it's been.. reasonable for me. Not without problems, but those seem mainly about range, not stability per se. I do have source_routing: true set, and I changed the channel. Is your ZB firmware up to date?

ncp-uart-sw-6.7.8_115200.ota

[woeful sentinel]

My power just flicked off for a second and every z2m light in the house just turned itself on, waking up the kids. How to not? Haha

[jolly narwhal]

Some lights support specific power on behaviour

Not all

[woeful sentinel]

Most of my lights are Hue

[jolly narwhal]

They do

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/915005733701.html

Example

[tribal steeple]

No good result. When the position is 0. It always takes 10 seconds to 100. Even when i push down when the position is 0

[mighty river]

Gah, it'd just be a matter of translating the zigbee2mqtt profile to zhaquirks, but I don't know how yet, too new

[mighty river]

@tribal steeple https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/commit/ea8be28d5b2b53d316bd3d9f74a3bca9d920d222 this is the commit that enables it for zigbee2mqtt. Can post that to https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/46146 to help whoever is able to add it to zha (and it'll bump the post, hopefully raising some attention)

[tribal steeple]

@mighty river i found the quirk, and rule 38 says something about calibration. but i cant find anywhere how to do the calibration. https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/836/files/48e230b19402d144bfe08a607f69b39f768990b4#diff-8e2f1ded9de79cd701ae0732cf408a0b487f88cc1a36bebe17d585f0c3812991

[mighty river]

Ahh ok

It should show up in the cluster section if the quirk is added

https://community-assets.home-assistant.io/original/3X/8/3/8354e19731c6d487f95ed5cb121a1b7a19a1c5dd.png "manage clusters", barely visible because the cluster window is covering it, sorry, can't find a better image 🙂

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers#testing-new-releases

Problem is, that commit isn't merged yet

If you're reasonably comfortable with linux/python, you could do a transplant from https://github.com/eyoz/zha-device-handlers/tree/add_ts130f

Otherwise you'd have to wait...

It's just the ts130f.py file you'd have to dump into zhaquirks/tuya/ (if you can find that dir on your HA install)

[tribal steeple]

forget to check if the commit is merged. and right. its nog merged yet. i will have a look for that dir

and copy the file 😛

[tribal steeple]

I copied the Files using winscp. HA is restarting now

[austere patio]

You can use git+https://github.com/eyoz/zha-device-handlers.git@add_ts130f as the package with those same testing instructions to install it from git

The external quirks directory change is already in HA core dev so it should be available soon, allowing for quirks to be loaded from a more easily accessible path

[mighty river]

Ah that's good news

The bad news is: @tribal steeple 's device is yet another revision with slight differences

I've made an attempt to adapt it, but I've never done this before: https://gist.github.com/thegroove/54160c6b89af1d2db77fa1aec44e4fc5

It seems mostly the same as the "original" TS130F, just the Time cluster is in output vs. input, and there's no OnOff cluster

It actually has a clusterRevision: 2 vs : 1 in the original, but I'm not sure if and how that's handled in zha

[austere patio]

I believe that's ZCL v7?

[mighty river]

Ah ok, so I suppose that's handled elsewhere, and the changes are in a custom cluster anyhow.

[mighty river]

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/blob/c4852923e220446c46ed7afc37052e2b8ec6ea59/devices.js#L2184 btw that's it

Just link-dumping

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/744 another big fat dump, one of those PRs is bound to work, but I've lost track

You'd be looking for the one with 4 in_clusters and 2 out_clusters

[fading moth]

does anyone know where are zigbee devices stored in home assistant (using zigbee2mqtt) ?

i reinstalled zigbee2mqtt and now all the devices are gone!

i do have a full snapshot so i should be able to restore it, i just need to know what to restore

nvm, found it in share/zigbe2mqtt/devices.yaml

actually something strange is going on with zegbee2mqtt configuration

changes don't get saved

looking at the old config, it has
data_path: /share/zigbee2mqtt

but the freshly installed zigbe2mqtt config has
data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt

i don't know what's the deal between share vs config

[dry fossil]

They're just different folders in your HA instance.

[fading moth]

everything was working fine but then i had to power off the raspberry pi which runs home assistant with zigbee stick, and once i powered it back on again only few zigbee devices work

i don't know what's going on. i don't think anything updated in between but i am not 100% sure.

[mighty river]

Check your SD card file system

If writes are unexpectedly failing, it's often corruption

[fading moth]

i believe there is some issue with zigbee specifically, and not sd card corruption etc

it is unfortunate that zigbee-herdsman logs are only shown in web ui but don't get stored to log.txt

the rest of the Zigbee2MQTT logs are properly appended to log.txt, but no zigbee-herdsman logs end up there

[sour shadow]

The add-on has logs that should tell you about problems

[austere patio]

Are you using a Conbee?

[fading moth]

not sure

[austere patio]

What coordinator stick are you using?

[fading moth]

Here is a sample of zigbe2mqtt logs as shown on the web interface:

2021-04-24T18:37:53.852Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:log Received 'zcl' data '{"frame":{"Header":{"frameControl":{"frameType":0,"manufacturerSpecific":false,"direction":1,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"reservedBits":0},"transactionSequenceNumber":144,"manufacturerCode":null,"commandIdentifier":10},"Payload":[{"attrId":0,"dataType":33,"attrData":2312}],"Command":{"ID":10,"name":"report","parameters":[{"name":"attrId","type":33},{"name":"dataType","type":32},{"name":"attrData","type":1000}]}},"address":10923,"endpoint":1,"linkquality":115,"groupID":0}'

Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2021-04-24 19:37:53: Received Zigbee message from 'TempSensor7', type 'attributeReport', cluster 'msRelativeHumidity', data '{"measuredValue":2312}' from endpoint 1 with groupID 0

The issue i am tracking now is why the hack zigbee-herdsman:controller:log messages do not end up in the log.txt

but Zigbee2MQTT:debug messages do!

i think the plugin simply does not store zigbee-herdsman logs to a file which makes debugging hard as web-ui has a limited buffer and the messages just get lost

[heavy lance]

Hey there! Ive installed the conbee 2 in my raspberry pi and installed it in the HA docker image.

installed the ZHA and paired with a Lidl doorbell

Unfortunately I can only see the ias_zone and the power consumption. And I can see the Last seen changing when I push the doorbell (button)

When listening to events in the developer area I don't see any thing popping op when listening to zha_events and even nothing on *

What can I do more to pair it correctly (so eventually I can use text to speach on my Google Home)

and send some push notifications on our phones

(if more information is needed just ask 🙂 )

[austere patio]

It's another (probably non-compliant) Tuya device and requires a quirk to work: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/759

[heavy lance]

Is there a global explanation about using quirks?

[mighty river]

Step 1: find your receipt

Nah kidding, https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers

[heavy lance]

ah still waiting on the quirk I see

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended options being the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), Tube's CC2652P2 based coordinators and the TI Launch-XL boards. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: regulad

[vernal moth]

so

i have a rpi3b, can it run z2m

ill buy a coordinator for it

[sour shadow]

Yes it can

[vernal moth]

neat

totally didnt just get it on sale at microcenter while looking for a gpu

$35 msrp, got it for $30

i mean if i wanted to spend $5 for a rpi4 2gb i couldve

but eh

[mighty river]

Ahh, buying a GPU in 2021

[ashen coral]

Don't.

[vernal moth]

i was so damn lucky when i walked into that microcenter and bought my r5600x for msrp

god i forgot how slow these pis were

waiting 4 minutes to install neofetch

is it even worth setting up docker and attaching it to my portainer server

[dry fossil]

Portainer? 🤢

[mellow pike]

how do you guys feel about Linkind Zigbee bulbs

https://www.amazon.com/Linkind-Equivalent-Dimmable-2700K-6500K-Compatible/dp/B07QB16XMX?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

[molten linden]

They get hot

They are from leedarson and very similar to the home-depot ecosmart bulbs

[tiny timber]

Any quirks I should be aware of with Aqara contact sensor in ZHA with a Conbee II? Have heard they sometimes have trouble staying connected to a Zigbee mesh. Of course that was from a mate who uses SmartThings, so not sure how much I should trust him 😛

Or alternatively, any other contact sensor recommendations?

[sinful swift]

Has anyone tried a kinetic zigbee switch (no battery)? Do they work reliably?

[fossil mountain]

Hi, we are thinking about retrofitting a flat with 6-7 electric window blinds (the outside, metal slats kind) and I am researching how to best drive them via homeassistant. We have a ConBeeII (deconz) and I would be happy for any pointers towards good modules for controlling such things ... I am currently looking into ones with and without manual control buttons. (we also have z-wave but in recent years our zigbee devices are getting more and z-wave less ...)

[jolly narwhal]

@tiny timber work perfectly fine with the superior zigbee2mqtt

[tiny timber]

I have previously used Z2M, but trying to move away from relying on multiple services.

[jolly narwhal]

From a distributed decoupled sensible system, I see

Single point of failure is a lot more enjoyable

[tiny timber]

I have the Hue Tap Switch. It works well, but definitely slow. Must have a Hue bulb in the network.

[robust canyon]

Hi all 👋 I recently bought some centralite 4200-c smart mini plugs and I'm using them with a GoControl HUSBZB-1. They joined the network okay but have registered as lights instead of switches. They "work" but this seems wrong. Am I doing something wrong? Does anyone have any recommendations?

[cerulean thorn]

Anyone know if zha support this? https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005002525911013.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.3c961d27xeDN8t&browser_id=8237d107fd184006ab3561a89fc92aac&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=001179092e8ece1f8f1cc18150c4f8521c864c458c&gclid=&_imgsrc_=ae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FH442265cc494f42a2bc2cfe579eb95f748.jpg_640x640Q90.jpg

[alpine arrow]

I have a good zigbee mesh with 28 devices (only 7 battery powered). Recently we had some power blips, (on/off/on/off) and then lost power for a few hours. I didn't realize it then (it was a week ago!) but four of my devices show "unavailable". Two of those are a ceiling fan/light controller, and it's VERY difficult to remove/reapply power/reset. The other two are wall plugs which have buttons. I suspect these two wall plugs are what routed the fans (the fans have terrible antennas, apparently). Can someone tell me how to make all four work again, and in what order may be best?

[sour shadow]

Well, start with the device nearest the coordinator...

And given the problems with access, try the wall plugs first

[alpine arrow]

Do I reset them, press a button - I'm not sure of what to do. I also wasn't prepared for you not to have a doc link ready, and I'm not sure how to react! 🙂

(my first zigbee issue!)

[sour shadow]

Well... ZHA? Zigbee2MQTT? deCONZ?

[alpine arrow]

blink

Whatever integration HA has that pops up for regular Integrations?

ZHA, I believe, per IT's doc.

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha

[sour shadow]

Start by pushing the button on the plugs, see if anything happens

[alpine arrow]

Okies, I will (lol, wall plugs, have to hunt!)

Heh, one in the garage, one in the shed. Figures. I'll report back.

No joy. Pushed the button and waited - nope. Did it again. Nope. Tried Reconfigure Device. Nope.

[sour shadow]

Try re-pairing then

[alpine arrow]

Ok.

WELL - with a reset and THEN a button push, HA "remembered" what both plugs were and they're back and ZHA named them what they were already named. Yay! This, however, does NOT bode well for both fans...

Turning the fan off and on, and the fan light off/on, after I hit "add device" didn't help.

I'm going to have to open it all to get to the wiring (no, I don't know which breaker they're on) aren't I... Crap.

[sour shadow]

This is why it's really handy to have a switch to cut the power to the device 😄

[alpine arrow]

LOL it's a fan/light combo that, when I bought the place, doesn't have a neutral. I didn't want to open drywall to add another romex, so I got this thing for inside the fan canopies.

Had I known, I would have gotten a wifi controller, not this zigbee. I THINK at the time, they didn't HAVE a wifi one though.

Here's what I get when I hit "reconfigure" if that tells anyone anything for future reference: https://pastebin.com/e5iPn4Hn

[quick hare]

Is the firmware for the Philips Hue remote available to the public?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

But it is encrypted

But fine upgradable via Zigbee2mqtt

[quick hare]

Ah do I have any chance to upgrade it thru ZHA?

I am not 100% familiar with OTA yet.

I see : http://fds.dc1.philips.com/firmware/ZGB_100B_0116/33562112/100B-0116-02001E00-Switch-EFR32MG13.zigbee and http://fds.dc1.philips.com/firmware/ZGB_100B_0109/1107324829/Switch-ATmega_6.1.1.28573_0012.sbl-ota is the the later?

[jolly narwhal]

No idea, zigbee2mqtt > zha

[quick hare]

lol you naughty guys!

[jolly narwhal]

[quick hare]

Oh well, i’ve restarted HA and the remotes did not even wait for me to ping them, they went straight to seeking my firmware.

[sterile sleet]

zha can do upgrades too no problem

[cerulean thorn]

Will zha show when updates are available?

[quick hare]

You either need to seek it in the logs or sniff yuor network.

I wonder if that update will add the poll control.

[jolly narwhal]

[sour shadow]

You forgot to update one

Not that I can say anything, my Salus refuses to upgrade...

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah the Philips remotes are shite to update

[sour shadow]

Mine finally did the other day

[jolly narwhal]

Thank goodness I only have two, and only use one

[sour shadow]

I put it next to the coordinator and the update worked

[jolly narwhal]

🤣

[sour shadow]

Yeah, OTA updates seem to be ... challenging 😄

[quick hare]

Damn that’s quite good.

[jolly narwhal]

I have had no issues with bulbs

Or IKEA remotes

[sour shadow]

Yeah, all the Ikea stuff has been fine

Only Hue and Salus have been problematic - and the Gledopto came with the most current firmware so I can't test that

[jolly narwhal]

The only device I've had that has died of over 100 is also a hue

So

More Money doesn't mean better

[sour shadow]

Don't let hear you say that 😛

[jolly narwhal]

[quick hare]

What is the best remote out there if you exclude Hue or IKEA? 😕

[jolly narwhal]

Xiaomi

I have most of those

Never had issues

[sour shadow]

I've come to prefer my Konke, which makes me feel dirty...

[jolly narwhal]

[quick hare]

Isn’t Konke only one button?

[sour shadow]

Yes, but the usual single/double/etc

The downside is that it supports a whole three channels

[jolly narwhal]

The only active buttons I use are the bedside lamps anyway, other than that the buttons are only for guests

[sour shadow]

I use mine for media pause/play in the office 😄

[jolly narwhal]

Or for lulz

Yes, I was supposed to look at that too

To actually use one of my spare hue dimmers

[quick hare]

I’ll try the Konke one. Look good outside the 3 channels.

Why is that btw, is it because of the firmware?

[sour shadow]

No idea

I plan on picking up one of the Ikea "volume" controllers to play with to replace the button

[sterile sleet]

Some of my ikea bulbs refuse to turn off or turn off but then turn on a second after again

[sour shadow]

I've had mine report that they turned off, while still being on

[quick hare]

They’re garbage.

Ouups sorry for the ping.

[sour shadow]

The Terncy one won't even pair...

[jolly narwhal]

I have two of the IKEA volume things in boxes still

Bought them from the cheap corner for $4 each

Should use them for something

[quick hare]

The rotary sensor on the IKEA volume generate so much noise that it’s very random when you turn it.

[sour shadow]

Back to the drawing board then 😄

[jolly narwhal]

Maybe with zha ;-)

Let's see with zigbee2mqtt

[quick hare]

tSSSSS

[jolly narwhal]

[quick hare]

PROVE ME WRONG!

[jolly narwhal]

Now you just made me more excited

Fuel my rage

[quick hare]

If that piece of trash works well with ZigBee 2 MQTT i’ll consider switching.

[jolly narwhal]

I'll get to it next week then

Catching a plane tomorrow morning and will be working out of town for a few days

[quick hare]

You really triggered me men.

[jolly narwhal]

[alpine arrow]

Can someone (there's always a doc!) link me a doc that will show me the steps (i'm a beginner!) to switch from ZHA to Zigbee2MQTT with ZIbgee2MQTT assistant (I think). From what I'm reading, it'll give me a bit more control and show status better.

[sour shadow]

No need for Zigbee2MQTT Assistant

Switching will (AFAIK) require you re-pair everything though

[alpine arrow]

Oh ugh.

Lol nevermind.

[sour shadow]

If somebody is ever interested enough they'll write a migration tool for the databases they use, but ... that requires somebody to care enough to develop it

[jolly narwhal]

How many devices @alpine arrow ?

[alpine arrow]

28. 7 battery. Two up in my attic (bulbs).

[dry fossil]

Only sounds like an hour's work to re-pair them all after you switch to Z2M

[jolly narwhal]

Less than that

I'd say 30mins

With a proper coordinator

I spent 45 min to do 60+

[dry fossil]

I was including time for getting in/out of the attic 😄

[jolly narwhal]

🧗‍♂️

[alpine arrow]

Lol but I need time and my spouse to schlep the ladder from my garage (50ft away from the house) up 3 flights of stairs! I know, excuses...

[jolly narwhal]

Excuses!

J'accuses!

[alpine arrow]

Sounds like it's worth it though. Maybe on a poor-weather Weekend when I have all day to make mistakes and then get help and correct them.

[jolly narwhal]

What coordinator do you have?

[alpine arrow]

The gocontrol.

[jolly narwhal]

Is that the huzb or something?

[alpine arrow]

Yep.

[jolly narwhal]

That isn't supported

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html

[alpine arrow]

Oh? Well that solves THAT, then. I wonder why - seems like a common stick.

[jolly narwhal]

Might be part of the lower experimental supported

No idea, I deal with Texas instruments ones, those are lightning fast

[alpine arrow]

Ah. Well thanks for the info! Helps my learning process.

[jolly narwhal]

The cc1352p2 is a beast

Waiting for the zzh in the mail

[alpine arrow]

I'm pretty happy with the husbzb gocontrol. I can't complain about the speed. But I would like more status and stuff, so - future notes.

[sour shadow]

Experimental support for it is underway: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/issues/319

Nortek GoControl QuickStick Combo Model HUSBZB-1 (note that this is based on Silabs older EM3581 "Ember" family chip)

So, not a great choice anyway

[alpine arrow]

Noted - thanks!

[trim magnet]

Hi, zigbee digital input module required. Are there any? If so, could you tell which ones?

[sour shadow]

Did you check the hardware lists in the pinned messages?

[trim magnet]

Yes, cant find

I need only input module

10 or 20 ch input

[dry fossil]

What do you mean by an input module?

[dire willow]

anyone want to hold my hand to program this remote to control a zigbee bulb... i am lost
https://rgbgenie.com/?product=rgbgenie-rgbw-remote-zigbee

[mighty river]

Genie refuses to come out of the lamp? 🤭

Try pairing with whatever you're using, and share any info with us that your system spits out

[prisma shell]

ugh even with the recent fixes it seems my ikea remote is still only getting about 5 days out of a battery

hard to tell because I dont use it every day but that's all it seems to be

[mighty river]

I'm out of cr2032s, well.. because of that.. but my experience was the same.

Someone did suggest a re-pair, as part of the new settings may not apply otherwise, did you try that?

[jolly narwhal]

So far I've replaced one battery in a ZigBee device in 2 years

I have a couple of dozen

[dire willow]

@mighty river OH YOU ARE FUNNY...

i was able to pair it and am able to get an output from the dev event listener, but from there... no idea what i do with it

[mighty river]

Thank you, thank you. People also say I lack a sense of irony.

Don't keep it a secret any longer, what are you using? ZHA? Z2M?

We need clusters

[dire willow]

ZHA

https://www.codepile.net/pile/v0rvEL0M

(im also sorta a n00b)

[mighty river]

@jolly narwhal there's definitely something funny with these Ikeas. At least with ZHA and possibly Z2M. I don't have any other switches, but other bat stuff like my PIRs work for months, at least.

[dire willow]

it has 4 'scene' options... but i dont care about which scene it is controlling, its just a remote i want to control a zigbee lightbulb in my kid's room

[jolly narwhal]

I have one IKEA button via z2m

[dire willow]

what i can see - endpoint_id= scene
command: move_to_color
args - the color?

[jolly narwhal]

It has been up for.... 4 months or so

So no drain of battery here

[bronze apex]

So I'm going to go down the ZigBee route, haven't quite decided on the stick/router yet but I'm wondering is doing this will make it mesh? I'll be using things such as sonoff, Aqara stuff and maybe others if I come across stuff. Is this possible all with using a zigbee stick? Going to setup ZigBee2mqtt if this plan works? It'll be all spread across my house so I'm wonder if it works mesh like of if I'm going to need a way to boost the signal or something?

[jolly narwhal]

If you pair them all to one coordinator

They will form one mesh

Place coordinator centrally, pair outwards with mains powered devices first, then pair battery devices

Always pair in final location

[mighty river]

@dire willow https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/blob/f2d196ab3e2c32c802ec45afa4420ed55f304ff7/src/zcl/definition/cluster.ts#L2137 that's the gritty details.. wondering if ZHA makes entities out of some of your clusters, though, maybe check there as well. And maybe give us the zigbee device signature

[dire willow]

Oooo. I'll read up

[bronze apex]

Sorry to seem dumb, but what you mean a coordinator? I understand what you mean by pairing them in their final location though,makes sense

[dire willow]

Where do I get the signature- this?

[mighty river]

@bronze apex you'll have one coordinator, e.g. the stick or some gateway. Then, most mains-powered devices are capable of routing, so basically you get free range extension

[dire willow]

Zigbee info
IEEE: 00:0d:6f:00:16:68:9d:8b
Nwk: 0x0fba

[bronze apex]

I see, how would I know if the mains powered device is capable of routing?

[mighty river]

@dire willow just below that, bunch of links, zigbee device signature

@bronze apex a bit of googling or asking here, though I'd say the vast majority of stuff that plugs into mains can route

Some better than others, but basically if you plug stuff in, the network will start to form automatically.

If you have devices and got it set up, ZHA or Z2M or whatever you use will also tell you if it can route, and you can get fancy graphs that will show you, etc.

[bronze apex]

Cool, I've not got any plans for an mains powered devices yet, I'll keep that in mind though. I'm looking to go the z2m way. Back on what atxbyea said, if I pair it in its final position and then decide to move it should I repair?

[jolly narwhal]

Battery devices don't mesh

[mighty river]

Nah, it's paired to the network, so it will stick to that

[jolly narwhal]

And won't increase your range

[sour shadow]

If you have no mains powered devices, you have no mesh 😉

[mighty river]

ZB can be a bit temperamental as to what it decides to route through, but eventually devices should figure out a way to get back to the coordinator using routers on the same network.

[bronze apex]

Got it! Yeah sounds like working on a few mains devices is the best way to create a mesh

Or rather the only way 😂

[mighty river]

You can get actual routers, e.g. the Ikea range extender, it's not that expensive.

10 bucks or so

[bronze apex]

Are coordinators and routers different?

[sour shadow]

Yes

No

[bronze apex]

🤔

[sour shadow]

You can often flash a coordinator with router firmware

[mighty river]

But thing is, a 7 buck bulb has the same hardware inside, pretty much, so often it makes sense to get something that has actual functionality.

In network terms, you have a single coordinator in a zigbee network, and can have multiple routers.

The coordinator is what links your ZB network to the outside world

[bronze apex]

Ive a gledopto bulb lying around, are they capable of routing?

[sour shadow]

Almost certainly

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html lists which coordinators have router firmware, and that includes the dirt cheap CC2531, which makes a reasonable router

[mighty river]

Yes, though note that those things require tinkering and aren't necessarily cheaper than just getting a bulb or e.g. the Ikea range extender.

[bronze apex]

Single coordinators, multiple routers, got it! So going by that link, most are able to be flashed with either firmware, making them do the job I require

Ikea range extender is a good router then?

[mighty river]

The ones in the link are, but in general it's quite rare to find something that has multiple firmwares available.

It's fine for the money and considering its ease of use. You just plug it in and forget about it.

[sour shadow]

The Ikea has a low limit of how many devices can connect to it though, in the 5 to 10 device region

[bronze apex]

I'll worry about that when I get that far I think. Tinkerer sent me a link a few weeks back about setting up ZigBee2mqtt etc, it looks really useful so definitely going to get started with a coordinator and some sort of zigbee device like a Aqara button for example

[mighty river]

But that's extension... so stuff near the coordinator will just connect directly, stuff on some outer edge can connect to a router, so depending on your situation it should be fine.

It's not an exact science, basically you buy stuff, watch the fancy graphs and stats, see if you have stuff in weak spots, can then put some routing device inbetween.

[bronze apex]

Yep basically if it's close enough to the coordinator I'll be fine, but for when stuff gets further away from the coordinator I'm going to need a router. One more thing, is there a way to tell the signal strength of connected devices?

You basically just answered my question then since you see graphs

[mighty river]

Yeah it's all logged, ZHA has a graph built-in, not sure about z2m but I imagine it has something similar.

z2m definitely has the information, anyway

[bronze apex]

Epic! Going to see about getting some stuff ordered tomorrow! 😁

[sour shadow]

The LQI value tells you - high numbers are good (255 is the max), low numbers are worse

[mighty river]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/images/frontend.png this thing is on the homepage, looks like that has everything you need

Says "map" too, dunno what's behind that but it's definitely a map 🙂

[bronze apex]

Class! It definitely sounds easier than I first expected

[mighty river]

Hah, the theory is, anyway. In my experience zigbee can be a bit temperamental. But knowing the basics, it's not too hard to figure out the weak spots in your network and fix that.

[prisma shell]

yes i've been following the bug report. had many repairs and reconfigures

[mighty river]

That's been my main issue, anyway. Bad range in places I didn't expect.

[bronze apex]

Yep sounds like it's mostly about poor connections but that can be solved someway or another

[prisma shell]

i have a few bulbs in different rooms as routers as well

[mighty river]

Easily fixed, but you gotta find out first to fix it

[bronze apex]

Definitely going to bite the bullet and order some stuff tomorrow! Expect some questions when it arrives 😂

[prisma shell]

home depot has cheap decent bulbs

[mighty river]

@prisma shell I need to get some cr2032s, then set up a separate ZB thingy so I can look at what's going on without ruining my home... until then, they're sitting here dead

[prisma shell]

did you read/follow the bug report?

[mighty river]

Yeah

[prisma shell]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/43969 for others

[mighty river]

Got the update, took my ZB offline for a bit for maintenance, drained my last cr2032 because apparently it kept polling when it found no network

So now I'm dead in the water

[cerulean thorn]

How is it to use a zzh! As a router? I got 2-3 of those and just need one coordinator (slaesh due to best serial chip)

[jolly narwhal]

[mighty river]

Ah, so you're the one hoarding all the good stuff

It's like the toilet paper of zigbee

[cerulean thorn]

Lol yeah i got some of each

Wanna buy?

[bronze apex]

One last thing actually, once all this is setup and paired for example is it easy enough to get into home assistant for some automations?

[mighty river]

How much

[cerulean thorn]

Got an unopened zzh I don’t need

[bronze apex]

I guess if differs if I use z2m?

[mighty river]

@bronze apex yeah, MQTT is.. MQTT as always, with autodiscovery it's quick. ZHA makes straight HA entities, even easier (though ZHA is a bit less mature)

[cerulean thorn]

Wish z2m could use websocket directly

[bronze apex]

Hmm not sure if I should use zha or z2m now haha

[cerulean thorn]

I tried all and fell on zha

[mighty river]

@bronze apex IMO it depends a bit on the hardware support. If all your devices are supported by ZHA, it's definitely an easier and more transparant experience. But it gives a lot less control if things need fiddling.

[cerulean thorn]

I don’t like z2m is so layered

[mighty river]

Can try both, of course, but expect to have to re-pair everything when switching, that can be a bit of a chore.

[sour shadow]

IMO separation is good - if HA is down I can still manually control everything through Z2M

[austere patio]

ZHA doesn't re-form the network if one already exists on the coordinator so if you try Z2M first, permit joins in ZHA, and reboot your routers, most should be re-discovered

[sour shadow]

Hell, I can spin up another HA instance and fully interact with all my Zigbee devices

[cerulean thorn]

I would say the most stable is deconz, best support z2m, best integration and speed zha

[mighty river]

@sour shadow well if you can spin up another HA instance, then you could also just spin up another HA instance with ZHA.

[sour shadow]

Well, that stability comes from a sloooooooow rate of change 😛

[dawn wagon]

Snap. I just bought a house last month, and am taking the lunge into HA. The previous owner had some door sensors and items that I didn't recognize he left behind. I just got around to taking a look, and they're Swann One security sensors. Looking at the (now discontinued) hub, it says it's ZigBee protocol - in theory, I should be able to re-purpose these sensors and tie in with HA, right? Do I need one of these routers/conductors that someone mentioned earlier?

[mighty river]

@dawn wagon you need at least a coordinator of some sort, yes

[cerulean thorn]

I got a noticble speed on voice command on lights after going to zha

[bronze apex]

Hmmm basically it doesn't overly matter for actually ordering stuff, I can try both z2m and zha 😁

[sour shadow]

No reason not to

[dawn wagon]

is there a cheap local coordinator, or a good article for learning about what the heck a coordinator is? Trying to piece togethe rinformation without having a good starting point is hard 🙂

[sour shadow]

There's a pinned message explaining Zigbee

Cheap would be the dreaded CC2531

[jolly narwhal]

Don't

Buy

Cc2531

[austere patio]

That is the last thing I would trust my home security with

[mighty river]

Definitely wouldn't recommend CC2531, or if you insist, get one with a big antenna.

[sour shadow]

It's fine for testing

[dawn wagon]

ok, perhaps I should strike the word "cheap"

[sour shadow]

It's the worst possible choice

See the top pinned message for what you should buy 😉

[mighty river]

https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy#compatible-zigbee-coordinator-hardware https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html

[dawn wagon]

Great, thanks Tinkerer

[cerulean thorn]

Has someone ever tested antennas and suggested brand and size for optimal zigbee?

[bronze apex]

So avoid the cc2531 then?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[mighty river]

Yes

[sour shadow]

The CC2531 is fine for testing and experimentation, it's crap for production

Oh, and it makes an entirely reasonable router, when it has an antenna

[cerulean thorn]

Just go slaesh

[sour shadow]

You just like the idea of never knowing when it'll arrive

[cerulean thorn]

Imho the best one

[mighty river]

There's a lot of cool hardware that's... mostly not available.

Currently

[jolly narwhal]

Cc1352p2 > zzh > tube > slaesh

[sour shadow]

[austere patio]

I think I got a 10% LQI drop when switching from the 90 degree to a swivel antenna on my ZZH but it really doesn't matter a whole lot, since you do have routers after all

[cerulean thorn]

Thats a global issue

[dawn wagon]

is "slaesh" the CC2652RB ?

[mighty river]

https://www.tubeszb.com/ tube has a small number in stock

[cerulean thorn]

@austere patio does size of the antenna really matter? I guess its a limit how the sticks can utilise an antenna

[mighty river]

Apart from that, you're mostly confined to Aliexpress dabbling or hacking an existing brandname gateway

[sour shadow]

One particular seller, who's got a track record of abysmal customer communication skills

I'd personally say don't buy

[dawn wagon]

doh

lol

ok.

[jolly narwhal]

Can't be abysmal if it doesn't exist

[sour shadow]

(at least not until they learn how to actually communicate with customers)

[jolly narwhal]

[cerulean thorn]

I guess i was lucky to order early enough to not have the issues you guys had with the sellers

[bronze apex]

Any advice on what would be best then?

[sour shadow]

Did you look at the pinned message?

Any of those will be good. Pragmatically buy local to avoid customs fees

[mighty river]

@bronze apex if you want to go all-in with this and don't mind spending f-you money (relative, because they're still fairly affordable) get one from Tube

[cerulean thorn]

If you go texas instrument can you change to another ti of another type without re pair?

[sour shadow]

You can swap between any of those without a re-pair

[dawn wagon]

I admit that I looked through the pinned messages, but until I get a better baseline understanding, it all looks like trig or calculus, while I'm barely understanding pre-algebra.

[sour shadow]

#zigbee-archived message is your Zigbee primer

[dawn wagon]

and maybe I'm just still in over my head, which is OK. I'll try to find more basic information to get a good fundamental understanding before I get deeper.

[cerulean thorn]

Get one of the one suggested

[bronze apex]

How much we talking in comparison to something else half decent?

[sour shadow]

$40 USD and up

[mighty river]

$38 for usb, $58 $54 for ethernet

[dawn wagon]

Yep - that's the one I'm on right now.

[sour shadow]

https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2