zigbee-archived

[sour shadow]

It lags very slightly compared to my Z-Wave one, but given that the Z-Wave one eats batteries...

[ivory hound]

yes sir

[jolly narwhal]

appears to be a 2-3 second lag on my xiaomi sensor

that is livable

[ivory hound]

buy for her some flowers and stuff

[forest cobalt]

LMAO... She's more of a "buy me a sway bar for my car" kinda gal. 😉

[ivory hound]

do that then 🙂

else she will sell your sensors to buy one

:)))))

[forest cobalt]

I wouldn't put it past her. 😉

Have anyone use the aqara contact sensors? I have some sengled ones that I want to smash with a hammer.

[violet dagger]

aqara ones are fine

[minor pumice]

I am switching out my Sonoff contact sensors for Aqara ones, I have Aqara motion & temp ones which work well

[sour shadow]

I have both Aquara and Konke sensors - they're both fine, though I prefer the look of the Aqara ones

[ivory hound]

i have door / window one that are preferred above whatever else in the house

they are very good

[violet dagger]

they're really small compared to some competitors

[jolly narwhal]

chinese hardware 4 lyfe

[sour shadow]

The Konke are slightly smaller

[ivory hound]

on the entrance door i use smartthings one for door / window

[forest cobalt]

Thanks gents! I'll add a few to my cart. All my sengled gear seems to hate running on z2m lately. So, I'm swapping out all of it. 😄

[sour shadow]

They're also a PITA to replace batteries on - at least compared to the Aqara

[ivory hound]

because it has vibration and i can automate shit

[violet dagger]

sonoff ones eat batteries too fast on the side of being ugly and plasticky

[sinful swift]

I'm considering coming over to the dark side. I have a bunch of doors and windows I need to monitor that I can't get wired sensors to and the Shelly wifi door/window sensors are rubish (poor battery life, slothfully slow). So I'm considering the zzh stick (or maybe two, one flashed as a router, one coordinator) and a bunch of Sonoff SNZB-04s (because they're cheap) with zigbee2mqtt. Is this a terrible idea? Anything particularly bad about either device?

[jolly narwhal]

the cc2531 is FINE for a router tbh

[violet dagger]

everything until sonoff is a good one 😄

[jolly narwhal]

I use one to reach my greenhouse

and it has never stopped for me

[dry fossil]

Aqara > Sonoff

[sinful swift]

Ha thanks blakadder you read my mind

[dry fossil]

Also cheap

[violet dagger]

cheap stops being cheap if you need piles of batteries

[forest cobalt]

I have 13 of the smartthings multi-purpose sensors. Aside from battery eating, I LOVE those.

[sinful swift]

Ok let me research Aqara

[ivory hound]

keep on those you cant find them anymore and they are awesome

[violet dagger]

they even have a bigger battery inside, didn't help 😄

[forest cobalt]

@sinful swift Take a look at @molten linden's coordinators/routers. They have been FANTASTIC in my setup.

[sinful swift]

will do

[sour shadow]

Of course, you'll likely have to import regardless 😂

Tube's network connected coordinator looks damned sweet though

[jolly narwhal]

waiting for my zzh in the mail

still unsure if I will switch to the zzh

or keep it as a spare

[sour shadow]

Spares are good

[jolly narwhal]

I love my cc1352p2

it is a beast

[forest cobalt]

That one thread on the forums about the zzh stick has pretty much soured me on ever getting one.

[sour shadow]

Oh?

I've seen nothing bad... now Slaesh is a different case

[molten linden]

I promise I communicate

[violet dagger]

lies 😛

[minor pumice]

I ordered a ZZH stick, it arrived quickly, plugged it in and got everything working EXCEPT my IKEA FYRTUR blind

[violet dagger]

we need a european tube

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of (Slaesh): https://community.home-assistant.io/t/do-not-buy-slaeshs-zigbee-stick/290000/44

[jolly narwhal]

You are voulounteering you say @violet dagger

[sour shadow]

The stick is fine, the seller lacks experience

[molten linden]

got my cost of shipping down, it's just the speed.

[ivory hound]

where can i see this?

[sour shadow]

I'll just arrange to import and re-ship at silly markups 😛

[violet dagger]

@jolly narwhal sure, send money to my btc wallet

[molten linden]

I've had some get to GB in under a week though.

[forest cobalt]

@molten linden Seriously sir... I could not have gotten a better buying experience.

[sour shadow]

https://www.tubeszb.com/

[jolly narwhal]

I was impressed with the shipping costs of TI, I think I paid $13 for 3 day shipping from Houston Texas to Oslo Norway

[violet dagger]

@sour shadow you're not even in the EU 🔥

[sour shadow]

Friend bought two of Tube's routers, and ended up giving me one as they didn't need both 😄

[sour shadow]

I am in Europe though 😛

[violet dagger]

so is albania

[jolly narwhal]

And Norway

🪓

[forest cobalt]

I guess I'm lucky as I'm only a couple of US states away from @molten linden 😉 Suckers. LOL

[jolly narwhal]

I'll take my healthcare thank you

😄

[forest cobalt]

LMAO! #TRUESTORY!!!

[violet dagger]

swedish healthcare is great

[jolly narwhal]

And !secret allothergoodperksthatareareasonIwillneveracceptajobofferfromthestates

[forest cobalt]

My wife has told me we are moving out of the US as soon as we retire.

My reply was that we have to move to a country that uses the same Zigbee/ZWave frequencies as the US though.

The sad part (aside from that convo being true) is that she understood what I said.

[jolly narwhal]

we all use the same zigbee frequencies

zwave though

leave those behind

[forest cobalt]

That was the joke 😉 And she called me out on it!

[jolly narwhal]

[forest cobalt]

Wha? I love my pitifull 14 z-wave devices.

[jolly narwhal]

after 2 years I might have finally found a use for my 3 zwave power plugs

powering on and off devices in my homelab

[forest cobalt]

The best use I found was that Zooz seems to be the only ones that make an affordable 20A power metering smart plug. I have yet to find a Zigbee equiv that is well priced.

[sinful swift]

Ok so Tube's network coordinator will probably negate the need for a router. Glad I asked! Looks like a nice bit of kit. About all that is missing is PoE.

[sour shadow]

Well, it may not - depends on the physical layout of your building

[jolly narwhal]

The CC1352p2 covers all three of my floors (using only battery operated devices, tested before I paired any routers \ mains powered devices) so the tube device will probably be similar, not sure if it has the +20db amp that the 1352 has

[molten linden]

it does have the amp. has to be turned on in the respective configs though.

[jolly narwhal]

noice

[sinful swift]

I have Gyprock (plasterboard) walls. And where I could place a networked coordinator would be, at most, 10m and one wall away from the furthest sensor. Or One wooden floor and 10m.

[forest cobalt]

@sinful swift This is what I use for mine: https://www.amazon.com/UCTRONICS-802-3af-Splitter-Ethernet-Raspberry/dp/B01MDLUSE7

[sour shadow]

Yeah, on my ZZH I get ~8 meters without issue and that's through multiple plasterboard walls

If Tube's magic has amps, then 10 meters will be easy

[molten linden]

Cheaper than I could make and sell a PoE bard for... can find them even cheaper on Ali.

[sinful swift]

I was thinking of using a set of passive injector leads but there's a power outlet right by where I am going to put the coordinator, so not an issue.

[forest cobalt]

My coordinator is sitting pretty much central in my house (~1150sq ft) with same as you: Plasterboard and wood (floors, ceilings and walls). Even without the two routers, all my battery devices hit it with really good LQIs. Once I added in the routers, I've not had a single device drop off my mesh... well, aside from the craptastic Sengled gear, but I think that's more of a z2m problem.

Hell, my mailbox sensor is almost 50 yards from the house... in a metal mailbox, and it hits my west router half the time and the coordinator the other half... despite me having a wall wort in between the two. I usually scratch my head at that one and then just smile at the map. lol

[sinful swift]

Well after hearing that I might buy an extra sensor and try for my lane gate.

Incoming order Tube.

[molten linden]

Thanks man! got it, and running a board through some tests for a few before packing it up. will go out today. Most likely will be in the 3+ weeks range to get to you. based on other shipments to AU/NZ.

[sinful swift]

Thanks! Good work on the documentation too. Seems very straight forward.

[molten linden]

thanks. it is slowly evolving as I address things based on questions/feedback.

[thick plover]

What is considered a good LQI?

This is something I didn’t think of when I stuck mine on the wall... what is a good location for temp sensors???

[molten linden]

I tend to go with a does it work or not measurement method

[jolly narwhal]

I say head height close to a door

because that is where most people "feel" the temperature

and you can tell if you have a draft too

[thick plover]

And that’s pretty much where I put them... all bar one which is the open plan living area - tried to put that as central as possible

[jolly narwhal]

for bigger rooms like my living room (12x5 meters) I will probably do 3x sensors

then do an average

[thick plover]

Yeah I was thinking of doing the same

Another order...

[sour shadow]

Higher is better, but I find that stable is more important. Some devices are fine on 10+, some on 40+, some on 80+

[thick plover]

Is that in the documentation? Would like to see how mine stack up

[sour shadow]

The only thing that's really mentioned is that the scale is zero (not connected) to 255 ("perfect")

[jolly narwhal]

255 🤔

[sour shadow]

Yeah, 255 typically seems to mean either no idea or broken

I have LQIs that range from about 10 up to about 180 and everything works fine

[molten linden]

not to mention the radio type (TI, SiLabs, NXP, Nordic... ) in the devices calculate it differently.

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, I have LQIs that all range from 20-140. TI does some strange math when it comes to actual LQI values.

[foggy pawn]

um.... sorry but i'm completely green on this. any advantage of using Z2M over ZHA?

[forest cobalt]

In my use case, I have Z2M running on a separate server along with a separate MQTT instance. This is an advantage over ZHA because if my HA instance is down for whatever reason, my devices are still accessible. This is an advanced use-case though.

For your basic, day-to-day usage, ZHA is fantastic.

[foggy pawn]

well, I'm using a containerized HA and don't mind stuff going down in my single room apartment (though I'm building a relay panel in my tiny workshop b/c I need to programmatically switch loads)

[forest cobalt]

In that case, I'd go with ZHA. It's built in, simple to manage and works really well.

[foggy pawn]

doesn't z2m support more devices?

[compact plover]

I installed ZHA recently and it's great

I don't think that's true anymore (greater device support)

but do take a look based on the devices you're interested in and see if any aren't supported

[foggy pawn]

well I have ZHA too. but ummmm still haven't found any answers if I can dumb down my tuya switches

[forest cobalt]

Ish? They both support nearly all the same devices. There might be some fringe devices that Z2M supports that ZHA doesn't and vice-versa.

[foggy pawn]

(I thought it was for granted that I can decouple the buttons from the actual power being switched...)

[forest cobalt]

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ is a great resource for verifying that your devices will work with one coordinator or the other.

[foggy pawn]

well they work and report status fine

but how do I turn them into just programmable control buttons if they have zigbee link and dumb switches if they don't?

I just installed them (and had to replace my suddenly dead crappy GFCI along with every breaker of the same crap mfg) today

[forest cobalt]

What model are they?

[foggy pawn]

wasn't very entertaining to learn my GFCI just stuck after I went to test it... well had to buy new proper breakers and stuff (screw the russian cheap-ass new buildings, in my case it's a fire hazard)

well, was gonna replace them anyway cause see above

I mean, the building itself is good, but the materials they used ..... well the cheapest one wins the tender

and I already found that some clever guys 'bypassed' my floor's fire alarm panels with resistors etc etc etc

luckily I can call up HOA or fix it myself if it's not something critical

also I'm severely ADHD so can ramble about stuff for hours XD

um.... I wonder how one does normally tell zigbee devices to be only s/w controllable? is it some common cluster command or is specific to device/model/vendor?

[sour shadow]

Device specific

[foggy pawn]

mkay, and how can I explore/browse these commands? I mean, I have all of them in ZHA device settings panel but I don't know which ones should be settable

[sour shadow]

No idea, I don't use ZHA

The manual for the device may tell you

[foggy pawn]

They have a TYZS3 MCU, maybe we can reflash it?

well, the manual is ... almost nonexistent XD

for the tuya thingy, I mean

[sterile sleet]

https://imgur.com/a/TAj4txv
doesn't seem correctly

works though

ok, my devices do not show up from z2m 😦

https://imgur.com/a/I4pqkH0
got this for my ikea outlet

does this mean it's unsupported in HA?

[foggy pawn]

btw, what's the purpose of device binding to the coordinator itself in ZHA's control panel?

[sterile sleet]

wow, removing the device results in error

good start with z2m

[sour shadow]

That looks like an ancient Z2M version @sterile sleet

Or you're still messing about with Z2M Assistant

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/frontend.html <- Just enable the native UI

[sterile sleet]

thanks

that outlet was not correctly paired

but the zzh! coordinator still shows up as unsupported

[sour shadow]

Z2M Assistant is .... not really that good

[sterile sleet]

https://imgur.com/578qkcy

[sour shadow]

What firmware is on it?

[sterile sleet]

just downloaded from the webpage today

is the z2mqtt firmware different?

[sour shadow]

Well, the firmware differs for the different sticks

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html has the links to the flashing guide and the latest firmware

20210120

[sterile sleet]

that was the one i flashed

[sour shadow]

If you flashed the one for that stick you should be fine

How did you flash it?

[sterile sleet]

ah electrolamas website redirects to koenkks repo there

with the python script

[sour shadow]

Yeah, the script worked fine for me

[sterile sleet]

also worked fine for me, test script echoed PASS|OK

[sour shadow]

info  2021-04-06 12:26:42: Coordinator firmware version: '{"meta":{"maintrel":1,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":7,"product":1,"revision":20210120,"transportrev":2},"type":"zStack3x0"}'
``` is what I see at startup

The coordinator doesn't show in the device list though, only routers

[sterile sleet]

Coordinator firmware version: '{"meta":{"maintrel":1,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":7,"product":1,"revision":20210120,"transportrev":2},"type":"zStack3x0"}'

[sour shadow]

info  2021-04-06 12:26:42: Router_zzh (0x00124b0021b77e15): ti.router - Custom devices (DiY) Texas Instruments router (Router)
```  for my ZZH with router firmware - which does show in the device list

[sterile sleet]

hm, it shows up in my frontend though... as unsupported

force removed it now, maybe it was something different

[ivory hound]

i have z2m and my zzh doesnt show in the ui, only in map

[sour shadow]

That's how it should be

[austere patio]

Probably too late but ti_cc is dead, use znp

[sterile sleet]

I actually tried both, none worked 😄

but thanks

[austere patio]

Didn't work during setup or when joining a new device?

[sterile sleet]

I wanted to change my coordinator from deconz (conbee II) to zzh!

[austere patio]

Yeah, you'd likely need to completely remove ZHA and the zigbee.db and start anew. No way to copy settings out of the conbee yet and the existing device entries in the DB would cause issues when they joined the new network.

[sterile sleet]

did that by now 😄

[vernal moth]

im looking for some temperature sensors and buttons with zigbee, where could i buy some for a good price

also, is there a way to use the zigbee hub built into some of amazon's speakers on ha

oh well

guess i aught to buy a hub too

[sour shadow]

I found Xiaomi's button ("switch") and temperature/humidity sensors to be pretty solid

No hub, buy a stick 😉

[vernal moth]

?

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended options being the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), Tube's CC2652P2 based coordinators and the TI Launch-XL boards. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[vernal moth]

link?

[sour shadow]

For what?

[vernal moth]

that first one

"deCONZ"

[sour shadow]

No

But, there's a load of links in that bot message

[vernal moth]

oh ic

[sour shadow]

I know, the hyperlink text isn't a give away 😛

[vernal moth]

man all the zigbee stuff is confusing to me lol

i thought it was a brand with a store

[sour shadow]

You want zha or Zigbee2MQTT anyway

[vernal moth]

and not just software

[sour shadow]

Pick a CC2652 stick (either ZHA or Z2M) or a modern EmberZNet stick (ZHA) and you're sorted

[vernal moth]

does ZHA work on ha container

[sour shadow]

Both do, ZHA is part of HA

[vernal moth]

alr

so im a wee confused

is there any other hardware i have to buy for those zigbee modules

[sour shadow]

Yes

#zigbee-archived message

See also <#zigbee-archived message> from the pinned messages

You need a Zigbee stick (allowing your computer to "talk" Zigbee), and then probably a number of routers to build the connectivity required

[vernal moth]

so if i just want to get started and setup some zigbee sensors, what hardware do i need

[austere patio]

If all your sensors are in the same room, just a stick and the sensors

[vernal moth]

(they arent)

split across a couple floors

[austere patio]

If your sensors are going to be spread out, you need routers to relay messages your far away sensors send to your stick

[vernal moth]

its pretty bad actually, the docker server is in my basement and the sensors are in my attic

[dry fossil]

Perfect job for Z2M

Your Zigbee controller doesn't have to be connected to your HA host.

[austere patio]

Most bulbs and outlet switches act as relays so you may as well buy those if the sensors are not going to be close to the stick

[vernal moth]

so i need another computer to run z2m?

[sour shadow]

No

[dry fossil]

Need? No... but it's an option.

[sour shadow]

You can run it on the same host

You can also use https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/1 to put your coordinator in a more sensible location

[vernal moth]

its pretty bad actually, the docker server is in my basement and the sensors are in my attic
if i have another computer running z2m, this shouldnt be an issue right

[sour shadow]

Right

[dry fossil]

Hence my suggestion

[vernal moth]

mhmm

well

[sour shadow]

You want a mesh that actually works

[vernal moth]

i can buy a pi-zero and get it on my wifi in said attic

[sour shadow]

WiFi + Zigbee == recipe for pain

[vernal moth]

ah so i see

i mean

would ethernet help?

[sour shadow]

If only I posted links people could click on

Yes, it would help

[vernal moth]

hmm yes if only i could read

[sour shadow]

Hence my suggestion above

[dry fossil]

#zigbee-archived message

[austere patio]

Can a pi zero w even run Z2M?

[dry fossil]

Reading is tough

[sour shadow]

It can, but don't do it

[vernal moth]

good cuz i wont

[sour shadow]

If you can run a network cable, buy the thing I linked to

[vernal moth]

alr

ill look into that

[vernal moth]

there are literally 2 ethernet cables in my attic that are connected to my managed switched but ive been too lazy to terminate them

[sour shadow]

[vernal moth]

i even have the wall plate and female terminations

welp

now i have something to do this weekend

[austere patio]

If you can place an ethernet coordinator up there (https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/2), it can work with either Z2M or ZHA, without the need for a separate computer or pi

[vernal moth]

i actually already needed a computer up there for octoprint so i should prob just do that

[sour shadow]

Keep in mind SD cards fail, so plan to run the Pi on an SSD

[vernal moth]

not even running a pi

[sour shadow]

Better 👍

[vernal moth]

i have a 2011 mpb that has been chopped up into a box

and a micro center bargin-bin ssd

a match made in heaven

octoprint is kind of a mess, i might not even bother with it

[sterile sleet]

xiaomi door sensors have a temperature sensor? 🤔

[austere patio]

It's built into the microcontroller and is not very useful

[sterile sleet]

k, yeah it's only a estimation I see

[austere patio]

It's not really meant to be used as a generic temperature sensor, it's just a way for the chip to know how hot it is. And it's exposed by the firmware for some reason.

[sour shadow]

Yeah, on mine it typically reports between 4C and 14C above the room temperature

[ocean timber]

The Xiaomi H&T sensors are nice and small though

[sour shadow]

They work well in my experience

[ocean timber]

For me, the cheapest way to buy the door/ window switches, PIR sensors and a switch is to buy the kit. Just wondering what to do with several Xiaomi EU gateways...

[sour shadow]

Sell them on Ebay to unsuspecting victims?

[ocean timber]

As door stops?

[sour shadow]

They're better looking than the Hue door stops at least

[ocean timber]

I was thinking that the case and PSU would make a good project case for some room-based project

[sterile sleet]

do you set friendly names in z2m or HA?

[sour shadow]

Yes

The Z2M friendly name sets the HA entity ID, but not the HA friendly name

[sterile sleet]

but you set them in the z2m ui?

[sour shadow]

Yup

[sterile sleet]

aight

[sour shadow]

Much easier to find family room window left than 0xdeadbeefcafe0123

[jolly narwhal]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

[sterile sleet]

yeah, summon cthulhu for my z2m setup

I still use the hue hub, so 🤷‍♂️

[forest cobalt]

@sour shadow Have you played with the mqtt output type in Z2M at all?

[sterile sleet]

z2m is of no use for the hue gradient strip

[sour shadow]

What?

[forest cobalt]

Z2M > Settings > Experimental > MQTT output type. I've had it set to attribute_and_json, but I'm seeing some oddities in the rendered json.

[sour shadow]

Eh, I have no reason to go messing with experimental stuff

[forest cobalt]

Where's your sense of adventure?! 😉

[sour shadow]

I'll let others set fire to their systems

[forest cobalt]

I don't think any of the coordinators are supporting all of the gradient's features yet.

[sterile sleet]

z2m is not a coordinator

[forest cobalt]

I'm using the term "coordinator" loosely here.

[sterile sleet]

In my head a coordinator is purely the stick, z2m just manages this. am I wrong?

[sour shadow]

Nope, you're right

[forest cobalt]

I've always referred to the two interchangeably only because without the software management, the hardware coordinator is mostly useless. But, you are 100% correct.

[gentle flint]

For Nortek, the speed is 57600 and sw flow control, but if you get there, then it means it did not detect either any serial ports or did not detect the stick on the indicated port. Probably because of the permissions or missing driver???

[gentle flint]

Is anyone using https://www.itead.cc/zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle.html ITEAD Zigbee 3 USB dongle ? Does it work?

Ps: it is not CC2531 Itead dongle

[rigid spear]

bump

[austere patio]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging

Enable it and look at what's in your home-assistant.log file. Since you're managing HA yourself with a core install, you likely have passthrough issues

[rigid spear]

It's working normally. I just set the device path and let "port speed" and "data flow control" how it was.
I just would like to know what they are for and if there is any link I can read more about it (I didn't find anything about) .
Also I wanted to make sure the values that were there are correct for my dongle (Nortek 2in1)
port speed " 57600"
data flow control "software"

[dry fossil]

The port speed is just baud rate.

Don't mess with it if you don't know what it is.

[rigid spear]

I didn't mess with it. Just wondering if 57600 is the correct value because ZHA couldn't detect my device automatically

[austere patio]

If it was the wrong value nothing would work at all

Unless the device has automatic baud rate detection, but I don't think there are any Zigbee sticks that do that

[rigid spear]

I was wondering about this, if a wrong port speed would just slowdown / cause problems or just not working at all

[austere patio]

Nah, it's more like a radio frequency

If both ends don't have the same settings they can't communicate

[rigid spear]

What about "data flow control"? The options were either software or hardware.

[austere patio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_flow_control

[rigid spear]

Software was selected when it prompted. I didn't mess with it but saw that "hardware" could be selected

[austere patio]

If it works, you have the right settings

[rigid spear]

Got it

[austere patio]

There won't be any slowdown or anything if you have the wrong settings, it just won't work

[rigid spear]

Thank you very much mono and puddly!

[austere patio]

But I am curious as to why autodetection didn't work, as the settings you're using are the defaults

Maybe it's some passthrough quirk

[rigid spear]

Hass core is installed on an Unraid server

[austere patio]

Directly?

[rigid spear]

No no

Container

I passed through the /dev/... path to hass container

And when I installed ZHA integration

It didn't detected automatically

[austere patio]

Yeah, that should work fine. The usual flow is just selecting the serial port and it just works

And it worked after you manually entered the settings and selected the radio type? No container restarts or hardware removes/inserts?

[rigid spear]

It's a 2in1 sticker (Nortek) and the z-wave part is passed through another container on Unraid (Zwavejs2mqtt)

[rigid spear]

It worked after I selected the path , port speed and data flow

It worked as expected. Hass just didn't detected it automatically.

I used to have hassOs installed on a Pi4

And it detected automatically when I set up

So I didn't have to mess with this manual configurations

That's why I came here to ask what were the right options

[austere patio]

Hmm. I'll give it a try with my stick, maybe it gets confused 1/10 of the time or something because the SiLabs radio library isn't probing first

[blazing shard]

hey, i'm trying to set occupancy_timeout for my device in zigbee2mqtt through the GUI but the settings does not seem to persist, is this normal? how can I check it is applied?

[rigid spear]

That's what I found on Hass documentation:

"Press Submit to save radio type and you will get a new form asking for port settings specific for this radio type. In the pop-up:

Serial device path
port speed (not applicable for all radios)
data flow control (not applicable for all radios)"

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/

[forest cobalt]

You can verify it by looking at the config.yaml file (/config/data/config.yaml)
I've found that there are some settings in the UI that don't always get saved right, like blocklists.

[blazing shard]

is it ok to modify in the config file? will it survive if I edit in GUI?

[austere patio]

Right, what you experienced is probably just a bug. You have the right settings now so your setup is ready to go. Autodetection just skips that step.

[forest cobalt]

If you modify the config file, make sure you restart z2m. Then it absolutely save it. It should save if you are editing in the UI, but sometimes it seems to not want to. You can also issue settings via MQTT publish as well.

[blazing shard]

thanks I will try all that

[blazing shard]

it worked! no idea why the GUI is not working 🤔

[thick plover]

Would I be of any benefit getting a router for z2m in a 120sqm apartment?

[blazing shard]

what is the recommended occupancy_timeout value for moded aquara motion sensor? they got a 5s refresh

[blazing shard]

it really depends on how the apartment is, line of sight range of zigbee is pretty good

[thick plover]

my lowest LQI is 66 I think on one device, the coordinator is fairly central to the apartment (in a cupboard)

[blazing shard]

also I would suggest to only buy if you experience issues if this is the only purpose of the device. note that any powered zigbee device will be a router

so I have an ikea tradfri that is a router

[thick plover]

got plenty of powered zigbee devices then...

[blazing shard]

I have 10 devices below 66 lol

my lowest is 13 LQI

never experienced any issue

[tiny timber]

Just got myself a Conbee II and a little confused. ZHA is obviously native, but it looks like Z2M supports more devices. Any specific pros/cons of each that I should be aware of?

Will be using Xiaomi contact sensors, IKEA repeaters/sockets, IKEA/Hue motion sensors, Yale lock, Hue dimmer switches, and was hoping to use Hue tap switches (though they look very tricky to implement).

[ocean timber]

What is the issue with the Tap Switches?

[tiny timber]

They use green power. https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Philips_9290011152X.html Only works in Z2M/Deconz and apparently needs Hue bulbs (specifically) as repeater for translating the signal

I still have a Hue network, and was considering keeping it for the ease of use in the app with scenes and whatnot, so could certainly leave my Tap switches on there. Just wasn't sure how viable 2x Zigbee networks would be, considering there's also a 2.4ghz wifi network.

[ocean timber]

I run three ZigBee networks - Hue Hub, RaspBee II and ConBee II without issues.

[sterile sleet]

switching to z2m resulted in load avg < 0.8, was > 1.4 with zha before :/

[azure tinsel]

I had some devices that didn't show up in zha. But when pairing a few times it eventually works. I wonder if green power switches could be paired to zha this way

[sour shadow]

Messages from Green Power devices cannot be “understood” by normal Zigbee devices, therefore they need to be “translated” first. Not all Zigbee devices can do this translation, currently the only devices known to do this are Philips Hue devices. This means that the Green Power device has to be in range of a Philips Hue device in order to use it.

That's from the Z2M docs, but I doubt that the situation with ZHA is very different

[azure tinsel]

So a philips hue device could also mean a bulb. And does not need to be the hub

[sour shadow]

Correct

[azure tinsel]

Ok thanks.

[foggy pawn]

Hi all. Can anybody point me in the right direction re: EFR32 zigbee devices? Still asking about these Tuya switches and the possibility of modifying their behavior

[jolly narwhal]

@sterile sleet told you z2m was superior to zha 😄

[foggy pawn]

mkay, I'll just leave this here: https://trmm.net/Ikea/

[jolly narwhal]

I already butchered the LED drivers for some projects 😄

[lethal ingot]

Hi all.

Somebody use esphome firmware for xiaomi IR?
https://github.com/AdamKGoddard/XiaomiIR_ESPHome
I have touble with overheating. Can you help me?

[obsidian sandal]

@lethal ingot ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

Command '~esphome' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[oak vine]

Hi All, Anyone use battery powered zigbee temperature/humidity sensors like https://www.amazon.co.uk/Temperature-Humidity-Battery-Powered-Security/dp/B08V5FFNP3/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=powered+zigbee+temperature&qid=1618906721&sr=8-5 or https://www.amazon.co.uk/SNZB-02-Temperature-Humidity-Compatible-Including/dp/B08BFW697F/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=zigbee+temperature&qid=1618907510&sr=8-5 ?? I currently use a pi with a DS1820 and get 1 min updates. I want to swap for various reasons to zigbee but someone commented that updates can be infrequent, slow which makes me wonder if I need another solution. Anyone got any evidence/experience/advice on this ??

[sour shadow]

I got the Xiaomi ones. The update speed there is a function of change and time. For instance, when the shower turns on the humidity increases fast and I get multiple updates a minute. When the humidity is more stable it may be some time - half an hour or more - between updates (the longest I remember seeing was a few hours)

[oak vine]

Thanks Tinkerer, good to know, I cant see any temp being stable for hours unless something is deliberately holding it that way. On the other hand it might be good enough, sometimes you just get used to what you have (like constant 1 min updates) and think it need to be replicated when maybee thats not the case.

Bit disapointing though, would have hoped for something like a 5-10 min minimum update frequency

[sour shadow]

Well, if you want that you want something that you can configure that way, which is rare in the Zigbee world

Pretty common in the Z-Wave world though, particularly for USB powered sensors

[oak vine]

Battery powered was one of my main priorities. Think I will get one or two and see how it works out. But at least my expectations have been set more realistically. Thanks

[tiny timber]

Is there a way to force repeaters/devices to re-calculate mesh with ZHA? Have set mine up, and the Conbee seems a little TOO powerful. Sensors have stayed directly meshed to the coordinator instead of switching to closer routers.

[sour shadow]

You can shut down the coordinator for an hour and see if that changes anything

[tiny timber]

Fair enough, well it definitely seems to be working fine as-is, which is a good start anyway.

I see that ZHA has a bunch of lock services that I didn't realise were possible like setting codes/enabling/disabling users. Are they pretty standard? Or only work on certain locks? Can't find much info in the docs.

[jolly narwhal]

smart locks

[balmy fossil]

Im still using Zigbee2MQTT from old Daniel Welch's repository. Im trying to update it to the new repository. Is there any documentation on how to change the repository, without loosing all the data and config in my current Z2M setup?

[sterile sleet]

using z2m I can see these actionable options for my Hue Dimmer Remote:
https://imgur.com/a/Z289twi
where are the "brighter" and "dimmer" options?

can see this when I press brighter/up
https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mHnQnWXHxQ/

oh, ok now they appear

I had to actually press them

[jolly narwhal]

@balmy fossil you should definitivly be running the docker container instead

[ocean timber]

Yes. What is your use case and high-level requirements?

[oak vine]

Hi Rojik, Ideally I was looking for battery powered zigbee temp sensor that gives regular updates eg min 5-10 mins. acuracy similar to ds1820, range aprox -5 > +50.

Use case is general sensors I can place arround the place incl outside (but would be protected from rain/impact etc)

[jolly narwhal]

the aqara one updates atleast that often

depending on temperature change

[sour shadow]

Yup, they'll update when the temperature or humidity has changed enough to matter, not on a fixed time interval

It looks to update with changes of 0.1C or more in a given time window - so it may update every 5 minutes if things are changing fast enough, or every hour or so if they're not

[oak vine]

I think that will probably be fine, just used to very frequent updates (but when on mains power it not an issue). I see them on AliExpress, never used them before, are they good, do they deliver when they say ?

[sour shadow]

I've had no issues so far

[oak vine]

Thx, Will give them a go 🙂

[mighty river]

I hope somebody can help me. I have several Xiaomi light switches. If I use the app to control the light it is almost instant. If I use the light switch it takes a second to respond and turn the light on. I use Zigbee2MQTT with CC2652R and Ikea, Hue and Xiaomi bulbs. I use node red to control the switch.

Anybody?

[obsidian sandal]

@boreal path People (and other sentient or vaguely intelligent beings) aren't waiting here for your questions, ready to leap upon them the moment they appear. Have a little patience. Keep in mind that repeatedly posting to get attention is against the rules (flooding) and can get you muted or banned.

Command '~patience' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[violet dagger]

i'm waiting but i never get the right question

[dry fossil]

What's the average airspeed of an unladen swallow?

[violet dagger]

european or african?

[dry fossil]

I figured you'd get that. Now you managed to answer a question 😄

[short valve]

Think I somehow managed to flash my zzh incorrectly, though I'm certain that I used the right firmware.. finished flashing it, unplugged it, left it for several days, went to plug it in and it's not even detected now 😦 I wonder if I unplugged it before it actually finished..

[static tulip]

I picked up a Sengled smart LED strip and a Sonoff Zigbee bridge. I have connected the bridge to my router, but can’t seem to get it to pair with the LED strip. When I search for devices with it, the strip will start flashing so something is obviously happening and they are communicating. Any pointers to get it to work?

[short valve]

what's the model number of the strip?

Or a link to the product somewhere, eg https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sengled_E1G-G8E.html

[static tulip]

E1G-G8EW

https://us.sengled.com/products/sengled-smart-led-multicolor-light-strip

[violet dagger]

Bridge working with ZHA?

[static tulip]

Not yet. I haven’t messed with incorporating it to HA at all.

[violet dagger]

sonoff software isn't supposed to work with third party devices

[static tulip]

Ah ok thought it was. If I set up ZHA will that enable it to work with third party devices?

[violet dagger]

yes

[static tulip]

Awesome I will do that later when I get home. Thanks!

[thick plover]

Did you figure it out? I went through all of this last night. Let me know if you need a hand.

[sterile sleet]

yep, I just needed to actually press the buttons so HA knows about their existence, thanks @thick plover

[thick plover]

I have an absolutely stupid question, even if there no such thing as a stupid question. Other than the fact that the MQTT broker it’s the link between zigbee2mqtt and HA, is there any other way it can provide value?

[violet dagger]

yes

[ivory hound]

@thick plover first question yes, second one yes (a second mqtt broker joking)

[thick plover]

Ok - what other ways can I harness this unrealised energy?

[violet dagger]

not needing HA in the first place

[ivory hound]

you can't that's the hole point of the broker

to relay that messages

and you can always have only one broker

[jolly narwhal]

no

you can have many brokers

[ivory hound]

not with the same device as i know

maybe i am wrong

but ...

[violet dagger]

there are ways, not easy ones

[jolly narwhal]

easy, what is that ?

[sour shadow]

Bridged brokers ain't hard, unless you're @jolly narwhal

[jolly narwhal]

[ivory hound]

haha

[sterile sleet]

multicast mqtt 😛

[jolly narwhal]

I screwed it up once

now I'm gonna hear it

[sour shadow]

Z2M advantages:
I can turn on or off lights if/when HA is down if necessary.
I can add support myself for devices that aren't supported yet.
I can interact with my Zigbee devices from multiple HA instances.
I can interact with my Zigbee devices from other software.

[jolly narwhal]

but you can do mqtt load balancing with a frontend nginx

so you can have 5 mosquitto containers running, behind a nginx for example

[ivory hound]

all this resume to basically one broker

[jolly narwhal]

and bridge those

[ivory hound]

with multiple instances for balancing propose

[sour shadow]

I had two brokers running here for a while, some devices talking to one, some to the other. It's not hard, just pointless in a small network 😄

[jolly narwhal]

or you can have one internal broker (mqtt only) and one hosted in AWS (websockets only) and bridge those two over a site to site vpn

[ivory hound]

i dont even see the point of 2 brokers for example one device and one home assistant

[jolly narwhal]

to get edge devices into your local infrastructure

[violet dagger]

just means you didn't reach enlightenment yet

[ivory hound]

yah but thats 2 or more devices trough multiple brokers

[sour shadow]

I ran an external one and an internal one for a while - external devices talking to the external broker, bridged to the internal one. No port forwarding required...

[jolly narwhal]

I'm planning on doing that with a few lights, to control lights in my parents in in laws house, from my house

[ivory hound]

i was talking about this: #zigbee-archived message

[jolly narwhal]

with the same device ?

[sour shadow]

The devices don't talk to a broker

[jolly narwhal]

elaboration needed

[sterile sleet]

1 device talking to multiple brokers

[jolly narwhal]

that is easy, with a frontend

[sour shadow]

Z2M talks to a broker, yes. Different software on a computer may talk to one or more brokers.

[thick plover]

Creepy

[ivory hound]

🤣

[jolly narwhal]

@thick plover not really, building RGB lights that my daughter can control with a xiaomi cube 😄

so that when she facetimes with them, she can do stuff in their house in realtime

😄

[thick plover]

😂 I was more so thinking maybe you weren’t a fan of the outlaws and wanted to turn their bedroom light on in the middle of the night to mess with them

[jolly narwhal]

[ivory hound]

lol

sadic

[jolly narwhal]

2600km round trip

that should be instantanious

[thick plover]

Can you only turn the lights on/off if switches are bound to the lights instead of run with automations?
Multiple HA instances - what is the purpose of that?
What other software are we talking?

[jolly narwhal]

You can do whatever you want with mqtt payloads

[sour shadow]

Z2M has a UI, I can operate things there

[jolly narwhal]

no need for any other software than your command line

[sterile sleet]

I setup my sisters flat and linked it to my HA with ha remote and vpn sites, because she has no idea what she's doing

[violet dagger]

some people have more than 1 living space

[sour shadow]

Multiple HA instances - testing upgrades, new software, etc

Other software ... whatever I want

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/#integration and more

[ivory hound]

or multiple ha instances like ppl have more then one house

[thick plover]

Do you live at opposite ends of the country?

[jolly narwhal]

yes

[violet dagger]

i have a lot of Tasmota devices controlling zigbee devices directly over MQTT

[thick plover]

I’ll come to you for help with commands 😉

[sour shadow]

I really like being decoupled. I can upgrade whatever I want, whenever it suits me, and downgrade if I have to

[jolly narwhal]

For people who have worked in IT for a few years, decoupling makes sense

for scriptkiddies, not so much

[thick plover]

Lucky people

[jolly narwhal]

I'll just failover to my second house if this one is broken you see

[sterile sleet]

I've seen the ios app gets multi house support 🥳

[jolly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/w312.gif

ios app 🤢

[jolly narwhal]

I dropped the android app, it was performing horribly

the PWA is way better

It tries to be funny @ashen coral but in the end, it is actually like that

[ashen coral]

It's funny because it's true.

[thick plover]

I work for an organisation that’s somewhere between the to right ones...

[violet dagger]

Having more than one house is usually a result of higher income not luck

[jolly narwhal]

like when I discuss with norwegian customers (5-10 blade enclosures) and then discuss with US customers (1700 blade enclosures)

hopefully I will be working more with the EU base soon, just not the french hopefully 🤢

[thick plover]

I’m just joking 😉

[ivory hound]

hahaha

[ivory hound]

what's this?

[jolly narwhal]

Just adding a bookmark on the home screen of my android devices for the HA website

[ivory hound]

ahhh

ok merci

[jolly narwhal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_application

[sterile sleet]

you miss a lot with that, but I don't use the android app either 🤷‍♂️

[ivory hound]

lol i use exactly Firefox everywhere 🙂 partial support (hate that freaking google and all it stands for)

[ivory hound]

yah app gives a lot of stuff

[jolly narwhal]

I miss nothing, since i use GPSlogger for tracking and I don't use tags 🤢

[violet dagger]

what if i told you you can use Chromium without google bits...

[sterile sleet]

custom ringtones for notifications? ever confused your doorbell with a telegram message?

[ivory hound]

i take the red pill 😄

[jolly narwhal]

I need notifications ? If someone is at my door telegram sends me a picture, if they press the doorbell I get seperate notifications around the house (like I leave the house anyway?) 😄

[forest cobalt]

EMQ supports native clustering. REALLY nice as load balancing, while good, also has to be coupled with bridging which can be a pain sometimes with mosquito.

[jolly narwhal]

interesting

haven't seen that one

[forest cobalt]

It's what I typically run. I prefer it over mosquito as it has a UI for monitoring built-in. 😉

[ivory hound]

haha nothing in last half hour related to zigbee, I am loving it 🤣

[forest cobalt]

Technically, MQTT relates because Z2M, but true. lol

[violet dagger]

its all about the zigbee

[thick plover]

I know it would be possible, but can I somehow organise remote access to zigbee2MQTT’s UI?

[ivory hound]

oh the zigbeeeee

🙂

[forest cobalt]

I will flog the first person that does "oooohhh the zigbee"!!!

LMAO... damnit

[ivory hound]

:))

[forest cobalt]

My wife loves Hibbert... but omfg that has to be the most annoying phrase ever concocted.

[ivory hound]

i am in tears right now 🤣

[violet dagger]

that's why i only implied it

[sour shadow]

I caught hell on DigiBlur's Discord for posting the GIF 😄

[forest cobalt]

@thick plover Sure you can... But... I wouldn't recommend it as the UI has the most basic of security. If you can put it behind Nginx or something like that, it'd be a LOT better.

[sour shadow]

Their docs even cover doing that

[forest cobalt]

Z2M's docs?

[sour shadow]

Yes

TBH though, just use a VPN

[forest cobalt]

Ahhhh, good to know!

[violet dagger]

digiblur doesnt like competition

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/frontend.html#nginx-proxy-configuration

[violet dagger]

vpn is the best way

[forest cobalt]

I guess I should take my own advice and RTFM more often 😉

[thick plover]

Can you point me in the right direction for VPN? To me, a VPN is just for looking at dodgy shit online

[sour shadow]

https://www.pivpn.io/ is the simplest way of getting started

[violet dagger]

also internet is for porn

[sour shadow]

Use WireGuard if you can, but OpenVPN works fine

[forest cobalt]

Internet IS porn... FTFY

[thick plover]

My German heritage makes me lust for the funkiest of materials

[ivory hound]

i remember when i first come here and i asked something in the wrong channel how @sour shadow yell at me to go in the right place :))) and i was never imagine we will talk about porn in #zigbee-archived channel

hahaha

[sour shadow]

🤫

[forest cobalt]

lmao

[violet dagger]

zigbee channel is the oasis of freedom

[ivory hound]

what can i say things do go better 🙂

[sour shadow]

Eh, it's technically off topic, but ... it's all vaguely related ish

[violet dagger]

don't try that in zwave tho, very closed ecosystem

[ivory hound]

haha

[thick plover]

And this allows you to remote in from anywhere?

[forest cobalt]

What do you expect from a protocol that only allows for 4 hops max?

[sour shadow]

VPNs do, yes

Except where they're blocked, but that's where you run OpenVPN in TCP mode on port 443... since you can tuck it behind a proxy server 😄

It's just SSL, it's all good

[thick plover]

I think I’m gonna have to consult YouTube on this one to find someone to really dumb it down for me

🥣

[jolly narwhal]

I just switch to mobile connection and use wireguard if it by chance is blocked at the customer network

but I have yet to see that

[forest cobalt]

My work tried that for a bit until we devs decided to setup our own hotspot in the office to get around it. 😉

[sour shadow]

Yeah, or the places that allow you to use services that hole punch to allow you remote access to hosts without port forwarding

[sterile sleet]

places with ssl interception - openvpn is possible, but different

[thick plover]

I work for a company with a military contract and we cannot access anything with weapons on the website 🤔

[forest cobalt]

Swiss cheese firewall rules... yeah, those are fun.

[jolly narwhal]

I still prefer dark sites

don't have to care about other people

or the internet

😄

[raven falcon]

Hi, how could i add a supported device in zigbee2mqtt which is recognized as unsupported? I know there is an option to add the support for my self. But how could get to these files within HA.

[violet dagger]

they're not within HA, they're within zigbee2mqtt

zigbee2mqtt.io has instructions on adding new devices

[raven falcon]

but is there a way to access these files from HA or do i need to open the docker container from z2m?

[sour shadow]

If you use the add-on, it'd be done through that

They cover it in the Z2M docs... https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/how_tos/how_to_support_new_devices.html

Scroll down to the end

[raven falcon]

I read these docs but i think there is no easy way to access the devices.js without taking the raspberry completely apart.

[sour shadow]

Eh, no

You go to the add-on section and see the link to https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt/blob/master/zigbee2mqtt/DOCS.md#adding-support-for-new-devices
That tells you to use external_converters

[raven falcon]

Thank you for your patience with me. I will give this a try

[balmy fossil]

are groups in Zigbee2MQTT working only for lights, or it is possible to create a group of binary sensors?

[dry fossil]

Groups are for controlling things. You don't control sensors.

i.e. You have 10 downlighter bulbs in your kitchen and want all 10 to turn on/off at once... that's a prime candidate for a Zigbee group.

If you have 10 contact sensors... not so much.

[balmy fossil]

ah, ok i was wondering if they work like HA groups

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/groups.html

[steel rampart]

Hi, im trying to setup my HUSBZB-1 in Home assistant and im having issues finding the serial device path...

[sour shadow]

What's your install method?

It'll be something like /dev/ttyUSB* or /dev/ttyACM*

[steel rampart]

Os on a virtual machine on a Win 10 box

[sour shadow]

Then the Supervisor hardware menu should list all the devices connected

Look for the above /dev/ paths

[steel rampart]

Ok, I got that from the documentation

Ill look

Found nothing matching /dev/ttyUSB

and nothing for /dev/ttyACM

[forest cobalt]

Did you pass through the USB device into your VM?

[steel rampart]

Ah, do I do that in serial port options or usb options in virtual box?

[sour shadow]

USB

[steel rampart]

Make a USB device filter?

[sour shadow]

Probably, the folks in #330990055533576204 are probably better able to help

It might even be covered in the docs, but I don't use either HAOS or VBox

[steel rampart]

Ok

Have it passed through

Are you guys the ones to talk to now?

[forest cobalt]

You'll probably need to restart the container to get haos to see it.

[steel rampart]

Yup, starting now

[forest cobalt]

I've never run HA in a VM, so I'm a little green here as well.

[sour shadow]

Once the device is visible in HA, then you're making progress

[steel rampart]

Ok found them!

How do I tell which one is for Ziggbee?

[sour shadow]

Google says 00 is Z-Wave and 01 is Zigbee

[steel rampart]

Oh great!

HA auto recognized it!

🤞

All lights connected and working great!

Thanks!!!

https://tenor.com/view/yay-market-yellow-man-gif-6195464

[stray haven]

Anyone had any luck with the Zenismart Zigbee blind? I have it in Home Assistant via deCONZ but setting limits on it doesn't seem to stick (Tuya TS0601)

[raven falcon]

so i created a js file in zigbee2mqtt folder, but if i add it to the external_converters the file is not found.

[golden vessel]

anyway to remove the delay from the sonoff door sensor when opening? xiaomi ones are instant to report both open & close, but sonoffs have a 1 or 2sec delay reporting open

[sour shadow]

Yeah, take them off the door ||and replace them with a Xiaomi||

[jolly narwhal]

[dry fossil]

I've yet to hear anything good about the Sonoff stuff other than it being cheap. Xiaomi do everything better and are just as cheap.

Doesn't help that the Sonoff enclosures are ugly.

[jolly narwhal]

But it is Amazon

Such fast wow

[raven falcon]

data_path: was set to /share/zigbee2mqtt and i checked with a second HA instance and there it is /config/zigbee2mqtt... How could i transfer my zigbee2mqtt files from share to config. Or do i need to pair again.
That is why the js file isn't found.

[jolly narwhal]

cp -r /path1 /path2 ?

[azure tinsel]

I have around 40 Xiaomi sensors and had never had a delay in these sensors. Only their switches do. That's because they have functions to double and triple press them. So the switch waits to see if it is pressed double or triple and that causes a small delay. I wish I could disable those

[jolly narwhal]

I have no delay on any Xiaomi switches, so not sure what you are doing

Both the rounded corner ones and the dual wireless ones

Used daily for bedside lights and microwave power control

[golden vessel]

except some xiaomi sensors will drop off depending on their parent. but yeah, sonoff stuff doesn't seem good anyway

[jolly narwhal]

None of my Xiaomi sensors have ever dropped off

[golden vessel]

their parents like them 😄

[jolly narwhal]

Trådfri mafia

[raven falcon]

on and off is working for my iluminize device 🙂
But the "configure: async..." entry from a similar device is making me crazy.

[violet dagger]

@molten linden got an image of your bridge with a more neutral/white background?

[molten linden]

I’ll dig one up or get a new one tonight.

[mighty river]

My ZHA/Sonoff ZBBridge/tasmota setup has imploded, starting to find out this whole wifi-serial thing isn't ideal. I'm trying to find out whether there's a way I can simply hook the EFR32 in the Sonoff up through usb-serial? I see lots of discussions about mods and custom boards, but can't find anything about that approach.

[austere patio]

Does the USB port on the bridge do anything other than power the board?

[molten linden]

Probably possible

Just power

[mighty river]

@austere patio nope, but I have plenty of usb-to-serial thingies

[molten linden]

I think it has the pads for every thing

So you should be able to just wire it up to a serial converter

[mighty river]

I should flash esphome with a blank config to make the serial line quiet and just poke around, I guess. It's not like my ZB setup is that crucial in its current state.

[molten linden]

You might want to cut the serial traces to the esp or flash it with something that doesn’t utilize those pins so they don’t interfere

[mighty river]

Yeah, I imagine the current tasmota will claim it, but a blank generic firmware should fix that

[molten linden]

Yea what you said too

[mighty river]

Gonna try it instantly, I'm so fed up with the current situation 🥴

The sm-011 inside has an ipex footprint too, if this works and I add a big fat antenna, this could change from pretty poor to pretty awesome with no additional hardware.

[austere patio]

When you say "imploded", were you getting constant "NCP entered failed state" warnings in your log file?

That would indicate that serial (over WiFi) communication with the chip has failed

[mighty river]

Possibly, but I never did find proper logging apart from that which is shown in zha's pairing process.

[austere patio]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging

[mighty river]

I was trying to avoid having to deal with the HA main log, ugh

[austere patio]

If you're not getting that specific error message (it's logged when the periodic "ping" isn't answered by the radio) then you may not actually be experiencing any issues with the serial-over-TCP setup

But eliminating it would also work

[molten linden]

You have turn the cap 90 degrees as well.. it’s a pain but doable.

[mighty river]

If I can manage the ipex, I should be able to manage the cap, as ipex is a big fat pain already 😒

My first hurdle will be fabricating a pin header that I can actually work with... geez, I thought I had them all.

[haughty otter]

Hi! Does every zigbee lightbulb also work on repeating the signal or do I need to check for that feature? I need to put another zigbee repeater between the zigbee usb stick I have on the raspberry in the basement and the zigbee light on the other side of the house.

[jolly narwhal]

@haughty otter most except Osram do, there are lists somewhere on the interwebs

But yes, more mains powered devices, the better

But if you have a powerful enough coordinator you can cover a huge house from end to end without issues

[ivory hound]

all my OSRAM AC03645 do repeat ok

however

OSRAM AC03647 do not

LEDVANCE AC25697 also ok as repeaters

[forest cobalt]

Sengled bulbs do not repeat either.

[ocean timber]

I use Xiaomi sensors and IKEA switches. Very fast response from the switches and good reliability and battery life from the Xiaomi sensors.

[lethal lintel]

Hello All. i had HA on my qnap nas and a CC2531 dongle (with ha+zigbee addon) on a rPi-3

now i migrated HA to the official blue hardware, and i want to migrate the zigbee dongle also

to the blue

[ocean timber]

Finally... ANother QNAP fan

Why did you move?

[violet dagger]

fan implies sticking to it even if it doesn't work 😉

[lethal lintel]

i love Qnap, but i hate to have my house down with every qnap update.. hence the migration to blue because i ondt want back to a pi 🙂

i have the nas for a decade already (with extended icy box)

the VM capabilities are still awesome

[ocean timber]

Blue uses an eMMC?

[lethal lintel]

yep

128gb

[ocean timber]

5-year life expectancy on Tesla so good to have a replacement plan

[lethal lintel]

but you're distracting me from my original question.. and if i may help @sour shadow a bit.. if u want to discuss hardware do it in #hardware-archived 😝

now the main question.. is migrating the cc2531 stick from the pi to the odroid as simple as replugging the usb and installing the addon ?

or do i have to copy some devices/paring file

or isnt it possible without repairing the whole house ?

[sour shadow]

Snapshot, move stick, restore snapshot

[lethal lintel]

Thnx Tinkerer!

[mellow pike]

any suggestions of good zigbee routers ? Currently have an Ikea bulb and Plug Point

[austere patio]

Are they not working well?

[mellow pike]

they are working, not as well as i would like.

let me put it this way

https://imgur.com/a/DJD1fPt

The motion sensor output is delayed sometimes. and I am currently blaming the link quality.

[austere patio]

I have nothing but those and experience no delays whatsoever. I doubt it's the routers.

[errant prawn]

I'm using a Conbee II and DeConz. Works very well for me. Have all my outside assets on it. In the process of adding the internal.

[austere patio]

Though the low LQI with the SiLabs coordinator is a little concerning. I'd just get more routers if the device is far away.

[mellow pike]

oh no, Its definitely the distance between them.. so i was wondering if we have better ideas or just more of them

[mellow pike]

oh, on zha. and will prefer something pluged in and it works

[austere patio]

Tube sells a router with a power amplifier: https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc_router/4

But unless you have no need for functionality, I'd just get more functional devices to build out the mesh (sorry tube 😆 )

[mellow pike]

that's beastly. probably an overkill

will a TRÅDFRI Signal repeater be better than their wireless outlet ?

[austere patio]

I believe every single tradfri device uses the exact same little Ikea-made Zigbee board

[mellow pike]

which link are you refering too.. the one between outlet and silabs is 254/250

[mellow pike]

in that case, id rather have a controllable outlet

[austere patio]

But not between that router and the closet

[mellow pike]

yeah thatss faar away. ill put a router in between them soon.

[austere patio]

I have heard some people complain that the tradfri stuff has shorter repeating range than other brands but even if that is true (kinda doubt it), you can get 3x the Zigbee for the same price.

[mellow pike]

Absolutely , thats why im picking the ikea stuff , their return policy also helps

a plug point and a button for 16$

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tradfri-control-outlet-kit-70364803/

i think its the best price

[austere patio]

Even the product photo shows how unreasonably large the plug is

Why take up one outlet when you can take up 1.2

[mighty river]

Is there a way I can change the serial port for zha in some config file somewhere, or even UI? I'm hooking up a device through usb-serial that was previously configured over tcp, would save some time if I could just redirect the port.

[near echo]

the only problem (& buggest for me) for Ikea PLug is that they do not have the button on that plug. So lets say you switch off the plug using zigbee, there is no manual turning on 😦 and of course no PM. But works as a good router though

[mighty river]

Found it, .storage/core.config_entries

[mellow pike]

PM would be nice, but i just realized they dont have a button. I just threw it in as a router.

[mighty river]

Am I supposed to be able to read EZSP serial? I'm trying to debug a Sonoff ZB bridge over serial, bellows chokes on it, so I'm trying plain serial, but no matter what settings, I only get garbage e.g. on chip reset.

But I also got garbage when attempting to connect over tcp serial even though the device was working fine in zha at the time.

Or: anyone know what does this means? ��{~ 🙂

[austere patio]

Are you trying to directly connect to the serial port?

Pretty sure EZSP is a binary protocol

[mighty river]

Hm I had a feeling

[austere patio]

Run bellows with debug logging so you can see what it's parsing

[mighty river]

It hangs indefinitely on debug: Sending: b'1ac038bc7e' :/

However, when I bump the chip reset, I do see ```
debug: RSTACK Version: 2 Reason: RESET_POWER_ON frame: b'c102029b7b7e'
error: NCP entered failed state. Requesting APP controller restart

That first line is from the chip, right? It's not entirely clear to me

bellows -v DEBUG -b 115200 --flow-control software info by the way

[austere patio]

It seems like your TX may be improperly wired??

Are you using the correct voltage (and pin)?

[mighty river]

I am a bit confused on tx vs rx, but when I switch them around, I don't even get that reset message (nor the weird chars on direct serial), so that seems correct

[austere patio]

Your RX seems to be working, since you can receive data over serial and it decodes fine

But the fact that the chip never responds to the reset request may indicate that it isn't receiving what you transmit

[mighty river]

Yeah looks like it. Starting to wonder if there's some level shifting going on... though I was assuming it was all 3.3V

The pins I'm using are the esp8266 pins, but they're going through a resistor.

[austere patio]

That would be a good question for someone who has worked with these SiLabs chips

I didn't have to do anything special for the Texas Instruments chips with 3.3v logic so 🤷‍♂️

[mighty river]

I may solder directly to the sm-011

Bypass any crap that may be inbetween

[molten linden]

baud rate might be off too, try 115200 for the SM011 I've have some not in the bridge and think that's what I used.

bellows needs it set on the command line when running with a physical serial port too

[amber gull]

Hue color temp bulb $15 on Amazon US - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QZHMT9J

[sterile sleet]

12€ is also good, 9€ for tradfris

[austere patio]

How do these guys compare to the Tradfris?

[ivory hound]

if ikea would pay me 9euros i would not take their bulbs 🙂

[mighty river]

Board name: 
EmberZNet version: 6.7.8.0 build 373

Ahh that's more like it

[ivory hound]

you did not name your pet, ntz ntz

[austere patio]

What'd you do to fix it?

[mighty river]

😄 whoever built Tasmota's zb firmware thingy didn't name it

Soldered header pins directly onto the sm-011

Hm no dice directly connecting it to zha, will need to set it up for debugging later.

Odd, I pip installed bellow on the same machine and it instantly works. Docker woes maybe.

[mellow pike]

Why would that be ? Just curious to know the drawbacks of Ikea stuff

[mighty river]

Maybe he has too many already

[ivory hound]

for me they suck + infamous ikea bug that I had

[sterile sleet]

the tradfris actually route quite good compared to the hues

[ivory hound]

looool

in what dreams

[sterile sleet]

color accuracy is worse than the hues, no discussion on that

@ivory hound they have opensource firmware and more memory

[ivory hound]

we talking about bulbs here right?

[sterile sleet]

yes

[ivory hound]

just to be sure

ha

so i use zigbee from over 2 or 3 years

and the only thing that worked from the start without any issues were 3 hue bulbs

works on deconz, zha, zigbee2mqtt

every time without any problems

don't tell me about Ikea that bring down loads of device with that infamous bug on zha, zigbee2mqtt

i use it

i know

[sterile sleet]

i think walt has a lot of knowledge of what actually happens

[ivory hound]

in my opinion if they pay me i would not use them

[sterile sleet]

he wrote that once

I like the tradfris

[ivory hound]

no problem for me, you can use them, I personally don't like them at all

the worse is I can't update them

[sterile sleet]

you sure can

[ivory hound]

it always say it has lastest firmware even if i tried test firmware

beta ones

[sterile sleet]

works fine for me

[ivory hound]

never worked for me

and I tried all 3 zigbee integrations

the ones that i have are the ones with ajustable color temperature

they can bearly do ct: 250

[mellow pike]

Is there a thread or something that we can read up about it?

[ivory hound]

sure is, ppl complaining about this for years

[sterile sleet]

where?

[ivory hound]

here is a start

https://community.openhab.org/t/zigbee-ikea-and-other-efr32mg1p-based-products-occasionally-crashing/109296

enjoy

[sterile sleet]

meh, never seen that happen

[ivory hound]

you might not notice, it usually manifest by child devices connected to the bulb not working or reconnecting to other routers

for me usually end up in devices not working and did not know why

took me a long time until i found the culprit

after removing ikea bulbs from the network everything was stable and nothing dropped from the network anymore

never had problems from that point

the only good thing about ikea tradfri is they are cheap

[forest cobalt]

Ikea bulbs as repeaters in a mixed ZHA/ZLL mesh is so hit and miss. Plus, they have tiny buffers, so on a busy mesh, they'll overflow and crash often.

[ivory hound]

agreed totally

for me (pardon my french) they are shit

[forest cobalt]

Not just you. I only have 3 Ikea Drivers left on my mesh to get rid of and then there will be no more Ikea stuff on my mesh at all.

[ivory hound]

i want to try Innr

i heard they're good

[forest cobalt]

Innr are supposed to be pretty good as well.

[ivory hound]

for now i have hue, osram and ledvance

they all work ok

[forest cobalt]

Honestly, I've ripped almost all the bulbs out of my mesh and replaced them with Philips Wiz WiFi bulbs. 57 bulbs replaced so far with ~6 more to go.

[ivory hound]

i keep zigbee for routing bulbs capabilities

[forest cobalt]

As do I, but I have a really good WiFi network, so I figured, what the hell... Plus, the Wiz bulbs are super cheap. I can get color A19 bulbs (800lm) for around $14 US each.

[ivory hound]

i cured myself form cheap stuff

usually doesn't worth the trouble

[forest cobalt]

I try to avoid using any bulb (aside from the Hue ones) as routers only because most manufacturers only slap in 16k for a buffer space. Hue, uses 32k on the gen2 bulbs and I think the gen3s are 64k. Hence why you rarely ever see a Hue bulb reset itself due to a message flood.

[ivory hound]

i don't think i had that problem with osram

or ledvance

[forest cobalt]

I'm usually the same, but the Wiz bulbs have gone against that norm. Granted, the color repo isn't that great (lighter blues look more like a diluted purple), but their stability has been awesome.

osram and ledvance both have 32k buffers in them. 🙂

[ivory hound]

yeah my house is full of that

osram ones have an annoying warning on evey ha restart

something that was reported, fixed

and reappeared

and i got annoyed and switched to z2m

[forest cobalt]

LOL... Honestly, I never had any issues really with ZHA, but I love the MQTT aspect of Z2M. Most of my node-red stuff actually triggers off of MQTT instead of event:state nodes because that way things still work when HA goes down.

[ivory hound]

something related to 1 byte of data was received and zha did not know what that mean etc.

[forest cobalt]

Ohhhh, wait a sec... did you post about that in the forums? I seem to remember seeing a post about something like that.

[ivory hound]

not me

i filled a bug report

some time ago

at one point after that bug disappeared

but in latest releases of ha it come back

[forest cobalt]

Huh... maybe that's where I saw it. I wanted to try to debug it, but I never got around to it.

[ivory hound]

that was the last drop for me

what i needed to start learning mqtt

and switch to z2m

yeah every time i restarted ha i got 1 of that 1 byte message from every osram bulb i own

in the past that message was a warning

when it reappeared recently it was as an error

[mellow pike]

i went the wiz route too, got 16 of them.. only 1 has been having connectivity issues.

still need the zigbee network for the senors and buttons

also avoiding hue as to keep the ZLL out of my ZHA network

[forest cobalt]

Make sure to check the wiring to the socket you have that one plugged into. I have a 3 bulb fixture that was having issues with just one bulb and came to find out that the fixture wasn't supplying enough power to all three bulbs (old wiring in the house). I replaced the Romex on that fixture and haven't had any issues since.

[mellow pike]

will get it checked.

[forest cobalt]

Hue bulbs, in and of themselves, are probably the best for a mixed ZHA/ZLL mesh. They are SUPER reliable (usually) and very resistant to message floods. If you're looking for bulbs, then the Hue ones are probably the safest in that regard.

As @ivory hound said, Osram and Ledvance are also good as well.

[ivory hound]

I'd also consider Innr

[amber gull]

Hue stuff has changed quite a bit -- Newer stuff is all SiLabs based

Innr is SiLabs based too, so it's all comparing apples to apples to apples

[ivory hound]

and someone recommended this: http://www.gledopto.com/h-col-369.html

hey @amber gull

[frigid sky]

here i am with my buggy ecosmart a19s from home depot

[austere patio]

Walt didn't sell you his lot of bulbs, did he?

[frigid sky]

no i did this to myself

[sterile sleet]

so there is the answer... I have some 1st gen Hue stuff and setup drove me nuts compared to tradfri

[amber gull]

I guess it's probably time to dust off the consciot/linkind/leedarson hub and see if there has been any firmware updates

[mighty river]

How essential is zb 3.0 support for me as an end user? Specifically because I'm tempted to get some cc253x devices

[sour shadow]

If you can, you should go Zigbee 3.0

There's a long list of advantages, not least of which is that things should generally be better behaved than is the case with the random roll of the dice that's the pre-3.0 world

[mighty river]

Will pre-3.0 gear taint my network or is having 3.0 in crucial infrastructure parts sufficient?

[frigid sky]

i am tainted

[sour shadow]

Ideally you go all in, but as long as the routers are 3.0 you should be ok

So, no CC253x boards 😄

[forest cobalt]

lol

[mighty river]

empties cart

[sour shadow]

If you need routers then there's other options - most CC2652 sticks can also be routers

[forest cobalt]

CC2652p2 #FTW

[sour shadow]

Well, those are the ass kickers 😄

[forest cobalt]

Well said! 😄

[austere patio]

Sonoff?

[mighty river]

Well I have the sonoff bridge, it's less than ideal. The usb thingy I can't find in stock anywhere

[austere patio]

So a CC2531 USB coordinator?

[mighty river]

That's my current backup

[austere patio]

I'm not aware of any other CC2530/31 stuff

If you have any Ikea devices (or really any cheap SiLabs bulbs, they all seem to use the reference design), you can rip out the little module and make another hacked-together coordinator: https://github.com/MattWestb/IKEA-TRADFRI-ICC-A-1-Module

[mighty river]

Yeah I suppose that's on the table

Also have some lidl GU10s that have fugly light color, have to find out what's inside those

[austere patio]

I wouldn't recommend the CC2531 unless you have a mostly sensor network with only a few dozen devices and a lot of routers

I ran one with 50 devices, half of which were routers, and it was mostly usable but significantly slower for controlling many devices at once than more modern TI coordinators

[sour shadow]

Yeah, switching from CC2531 to CC2652 has been night and day

[austere patio]

And it randomly locks up, which is also fun

[sour shadow]

Yeah.... I ended up with a little script to monitor the health and restart as required 😂

At least with the 2021 firmware the CC2652 sticks don't lock up

[austere patio]

Gotta get a USB hub compatible with https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl to be 100% safe

[sour shadow]

The CC2652 lockups required the stick reset button got pushed, which was ... annoying

[mighty river]

Well the Lidls are cc2531. Figures, I suppose.

Apparently so are these Tradfri GU10s

My life is falling apart

[amber gull]

No firmware updates available still for Ecosmart / Consciot / Linkind bulbs -- next check Fall 2021 😆

[austere patio]

They're coordinating with IKEA for that big update to fix everything

[forest cobalt]

Happening on the 12th of never? How long has Ikea been promising "big" updates now? I lost count after the last one. 😉

Granted, I do remember the Zigbee3 roll-out they did... That was a cluster that did eventually work out... so props to them on that.

[austere patio]

They haven't acknowledged the existence of any bugs yet so...

[blazing dagger]

I just got my zigbee stick, but it's not seeing my aqara door sensor

That I also just got

[0x0000:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_req: [60, <Bool.false: 0>]

Log entry

[austere patio]

All that says is that joins were enabled for 60s

[blazing dagger]

Yeah.

[austere patio]

Aqara stuff is a little tricky to join

[blazing dagger]

I pressed the button

Held it down

[austere patio]

Hold down the join button until it starts blinking. I usually let go on the second blink.

[blazing dagger]

It blinks once and then stops

after I let go

Wait there it goes

[austere patio]

One fast blink or one slow blink?

I don't recall if ZHA implemented fast joining for this sensor so if it doesn't immediately get recognized, just keep clicking the button once a second or so

[blazing dagger]

Slower blink, but it just worked anyway

One more question, do you know what a network key is for #zwave-archived?

I have no idea what it is, and it won't let me set it up without one

[austere patio]

I'd ask over in #zwave-archived

[blazing dagger]

I did, didn't get a response

[austere patio]

I've never used it so 🤷‍♂️

[blazing dagger]

Ah, okay

Thanks for the help!

[foggy pawn]

um... which coordinator would you recommend for HA in a small network?

like, 10-15 devices maximum. I already have a 2531 though

[violet dagger]

zzh or tubeszb

[sour shadow]

You can't go wrong with anything CC2652 based

Well, except with the seller, hence ZZH or Tube 😄

My list of where to buy CC2652 based boards:
Ships from the US: https://www.ti.com/tool/LAUNCHXL-CC26X2R1 (big but direct from the manufacturer)
Ships from the UK: https://www.tindie.com/products/electrolama/zzh-cc2652r-multiprotocol-rf-stick/
Ships from the US: https://www.tubeszb.com/product/usb_coord/11
Ships from the US: https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/1
Ships from Italy: https://www.tindie.com/products/gio_dot/z-bee-duo-hybrid-cc2652p-zigbee-30-adapter/ (no seller feedback yet)
Ships from Germany: https://www.tindie.com/products/slaesh/cc2652-zigbee-coordinator-or-openthread-router/ (but known issues with the seller's lack of communication)
Ships from The Netherlands: https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/hobby-en-vrije-tijd/elektronica-componenten/m1696559276-cc2652-usb-stick-zigbee-zigbee2mqtt.html

[pale spear]

Hi Is there anyone that got experience with Id Lock 150 with zigbee module. DeConz is what I got now but that could be changed(not easily but).

[trim ore]

Anyone here running two instances of Zigbee2MQTT or two coordinators on the same MQTT server? Anything to be aware of / is it easy?

[dry fossil]

Are you trying to get them to talk to each other or just have them use the same broker?

[trim ore]

No need to talk to each other jsut both be accessible via MQTT

[dry fossil]

Just use different base topics and you should be fine.

[trim ore]

The issue im having is that my Zigbee network doesnt reach part of my house so need a second coordiantor

is it best to do it by running zigbee2mqtt with two coordiantors or running two instances with different base topics?

[sour shadow]

That works

I did that for some time while I was migrating between my CC2531 and ZZH

Just ensure they're on different channels, with different PAN ID and encryption keys

[trim ore]

Which one is "that" 😂 Theres two options there?

[dry fossil]

#zigbee-archived message

[sour shadow]

You can't run two sticks with one Z2M install

If you check their docs, it's not listed as an option

[dry fossil]

Two cars, one driver 😂

[trim ore]

Ah ok, two containers it is then

[dry fossil]

Or one car, two drivers? Can't brain today.

[sour shadow]

Either is a mess

https://tenor.com/view/hitchhikers-guide-galaxy-thursday-arthur-gif-14478086

[trim ore]

Might just stick to IP sockets in the spaces zigbee doesnt reach

oh damn I did not mean to reply there

Id really like to avoid IP sockets though

[sour shadow]

Or stick https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/1 at the far end and run Z2M wherever you want

You could run two containers on one host, and use that for your remote reach

[trim ore]

Quite an expensive solution I think

[sour shadow]

Eh... it's not any more costly than Pi + decent stick

Unless you're making the mistake of using the CC253x sticks

[trim ore]

absolutely, theres only going to be 2 / 3 devices on this second node though

[sour shadow]

It must be a long way away then 😄

[trim ore]

Yeah, workshop at the end of the garden

[sour shadow]

That'll do it