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foggy dragon
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Yeah, Walt, I do lose them every restart

lime locust
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limit of cc2531 number of paired devices is greater than 8 right ?

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it is a switch that seemingly is able to directly pair to lightbulbs , but i have no zigbee bulbs yet , just need the actions

sour shadow
silent lintel
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I have this wierd thing where my light is showing up as available, but it wont turn on, and in fact turns itself off when i try from the front end. This is a Z2M supported device https://imgur.com/B2Kk5eJ

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I don't see any errors anywhere

lime locust
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well have more than 5 devices without any problems , so i'll guess it can take 16 devices without routers

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8 sensor running fine

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can i switch to dev build container without repairing all devices ?

amber gull
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@verbal shale Not sure what else you could do for those repeaters, I would guess it's the same bug then

ivory hound
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hey @amber gull you talk early about an ikea bug, I didn't get to much from it but i do have a question:
the problem that I encounter is after a while the 3 ikea bulbs i have start to not set the correct brightness when light.turn_on from a switch, for example switch should do brightness: 225 and one in 3 or 4 times it does lower brightness. now if i power off (cut the power) bulbs and then power them on again, they work OK again for a while, then this behavior happens again (I use ZHA with elelabs coordinator)

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think this is because of that bug?

mellow geode
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Very unlikely. Your bug seems to be something different

amber gull
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I would think it's something different too -- you might collect debug logs and note down time of when it does not correctly set brightness and we can check it out

foggy dragon
amber gull
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Yes, that's it @foggy dragon

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Fixed in SiLabs 6.7.7 or higher -- we are waiting on IKEA to upgrade -- they are quite a few versions back, and it looks like their engineers maybe don't quite know what they are always doing in the firmware department

silent lintel
golden vessel
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Walt, what are you doing in OpenHab forums? 🧐

torn saffron
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Hi. I moved from ZHA momentarily to check out Z2M. When I RE-added the ZHA integration and re-paired my Hue bulb, it now said the bulb’s manufacturer is β€œSignify”, and the device page no longer showed its using a quirk. Previously it was using a quirk and the manufacturer was Phillips. I’m aware Signify is Phillips, but what could explain the disparity?

molten linden
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Likely a fw update on the bulb while on z2m

mellow geode
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Yeah, the quirk is re-applied when using the latest HA beta.

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A firmware update changed the manufacturer name of some of the Bluetooth capable bulbs from Philips to Signify Netherlands B.V

dense radish
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How can I reset a Phillips hue bulb without the dimmer?

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I've done it like a year ago but I forgot how to do it

dusky hill
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how hard is it to do the soldering required for external antenna on CC1352P-2 board? the instructions make it difficult to see how its done rather than what needs to be done

amber gull
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It's. Tiny.

dusky hill
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looks tiny from the pics

amber gull
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I can gob solder on the big stuff. But I didn't want to try after seeing it in person

dusky hill
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ya that was my concern as well. i assume range is sufficient without it anyways? looks to be 1 of the stronger 1s

amber gull
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Yes, it was actually as strong as many of the regular and popular sticks.

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Even without the PA turned all the way up

dusky hill
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im using the conbee ii atm and its fine but dont like the proprietary side of it

amber gull
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I hear that

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Cc1352 is a good choice if you like a techy look

dusky hill
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going in a server closet so easy enough πŸ˜„

amber gull
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On board debugger if you want to develop on it

dusky hill
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nice, ya dunno if/when the need for that, but like that its supported by TI as well as z2m

amber gull
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I migrated from 1352 to ZZH to tube hub

dusky hill
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and if needed can try my hand at the external antenna

molten linden
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I killed mine trying to do it 😭

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this was a while back.. if I'd do it now I'd use hot air and solder paste

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but I toasted the pads.

dusky hill
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ya doesnt sounds like something that needs to happen haha

near echo
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I use cc1352p2 as well. Signal is strong without external antenna. Try it out and see for yourself. Later if you think any device is not connecting then let's see.

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And while you are at it and wish to do dev, it is a great board for that and future proof for tech like "thread"

torn saffron
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Is there a way to map IEEEs/any kind of product identifier to an immutable entity_id in YAML files (that will survive restarts, unpairing and repairing, and even restoring from backup)?

For example, I want one Hue light to always get the entity_id bedroom_light when I pair it no matter how or when.

jolly narwhal
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that is easy with zigbee2mqtt atleast

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or... if you mean the same light

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or did you mean any hue light ?

sour shadow
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Pretty sure that's not do-able in ZHA or deCONZ

whole crown
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So ... I've been running HA on a proxmox VM/Debian/Supervised using ZHA.
My Blue has arrived and I wanted to try out mqtt.
What is the communities view on the best mqtt setup for HA (I'll be using a TI USB stick)?

jolly narwhal
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zigbee2mqtt ?

dry fossil
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I think it's the 'best' by default. Not sure there's another MQTT flavour.

whole crown
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When I look at the supervisor I see a few options ...

jolly narwhal
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that is the broker

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not a zigbee integration

whole crown
jolly narwhal
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addons no

sour shadow
whole crown
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I feel a n00b in this area. Is there a z2m support forum anywhere or is it appropriate to ask here?

jolly narwhal
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here is fine

whole crown
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Do I need to do anything to setup the TI stick?

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It's already been flashed with firmware that worked in ZigPy

jolly narwhal
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have no idea how supervised works Shrug you would need to configure the addon to access the stick

whole crown
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Ta. I'll have to do some reasearch on how to "pass thru" the USB. On Proxmox I knew but with the HA Blue ... no idea! lol

sour shadow
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It's the last one

whole crown
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nods. But I'm not sure how to configure z2m to use it/recognise it

sour shadow
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There should be settings in the add-on config for that, if not ...

gloomy pivot
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use that in zigbee2mqtt's configuration, probably

sour shadow
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serial:
  # Required: location of the adapter (e.g. CC2531).
  # To autodetect the port, set 'port: null'.
  port: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-...
whole crown
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OMG that is a HUGE set of options! I shall digest and hopefully it'll work. Thank you @sour shadow

sour shadow
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Most of them you don't need to set, but it's good to know where the docs are πŸ˜‰

whole crown
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cool

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Also, I've a TI clone (ike a lot of folks I imagine)

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Hard to see but it says CC25XX

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Is there anything I need to adjust for this?

jolly narwhal
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2531

sour shadow
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Throw it away and buy a ZZH or Sleash?

jolly narwhal
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it is great as a router, not as a coordinator

sour shadow
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For $/Β£/€5 it's a passable starter

whole crown
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Most of my Zigbee devices are mains/souters

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Tho I do also have a Conbee II stick (but that is in my existing HA setup running under ZHA)

sour shadow
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The chipset is old, and underpowered

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The Conbee .... isn't awesome

whole crown
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I also have a couple of the Nordic (I cannot remember their IDs)

sour shadow
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(it's better than the CC2530/1, but not as good as the newer sticks)

whole crown
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But I'm not sure they are supported ...

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Nordic nRF52840

sour shadow
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The Z2M docs tell you πŸ˜‰

whole crown
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Awesome. Much reading for me then πŸ™‚ Thank you x

sour shadow
whole crown
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Cause if I don't solder something at least once a week, I get withdrawal lol

silent lintel
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not actually sure what the error is; timeout?

sour shadow
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It means that Z2M sent the message, and it timed out before the device responded

silent lintel
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I should say I recently got zig-a-zig-ah! , but havent set it up, so my router is still the CC 2531

silent lintel
sour shadow
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Well, it's the only error in what you posted...

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The cause of that ... could be many things

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Somebody turned the power off to it
Somebody turned off the power to the router it used
Something else

silent lintel
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If somebody turned the power off to it, would it be unavailable in HA?

silent lintel
sour shadow
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HA knows what Z2M tells it, that's all

silent lintel
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Gotcha

jolly narwhal
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only time it is unavaliable in z2m is if you enabled avaliablity check in the config, or the topic was cleared on the broker

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neither of which are default behavior unless something rebooted (for the latter if the message is not retained in the broker) or you configured it (for the former)

silent lintel
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I see.

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Now that you mention it everytime it was unavailble was when I was having to pull my router every other day. I got sick of it and ordered zig-a-zig-ah! , but havent set it up yet

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I'm not still pulling my router, I reflashed the firmware a while back and its been fine

near echo
# whole crown Nordic nRF52840

use nRFConnect and nrf52 SDK write your own programs to use as end device. Until such time when zigbee-herdsmen support this. It will be awesome!

silent lintel
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gonna be pissed if the bulb died thing was like $40

silent lintel
amber gull
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Step 1. Is it plugged in?

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Step 2. Have you restarted it?

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πŸ˜†

gritty frigate
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Greetings πŸ™‚

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I'm running into some intermittent challenges with ZZH, and I'm wondering if you guys have seen anything like this

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symptom: sensor suddenly starts reporting the same values for a long time

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for example: a Philips HUE motion would keep reporting 6.9lx of light for hours, and motion (occupancy) stuck in "on"

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reconfiguring doesn't seem to solve, restarting HA sometimes does. Re-adding the device always fixes the challenge.

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device seems to be online, e.g. no indication of anything going sideways - besides values look titsup

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may I ask for some guidance on how to debug this?

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(HassOS on a Raspberry 4, Lama/ZZH stick as my interface)

amber gull
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Best to start by upgrading firmware on ZZH first, lock up issue was just fixed a few days ago that could be your issue

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physically pulling the ZZH out or restarting the box would be the only way to bring it back to life

gritty frigate
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oh great, thanks @amber gull

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not sure that fully applies though: " The symptoms would be loss of communication with the zigbee coordinator radio. "

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I'm looking at a single device suffering at the moment, all the others do work

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which contradicts that statement if I'm reading it correcly

amber gull
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Yes, that bug is loss for all devices

gritty frigate
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new firmware won't hurt, but won't get my hopes up πŸ˜„

amber gull
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Are you using z2m or ZHA?

gritty frigate
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ZHA

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and CC2652R that is for ZZH I believe

amber gull
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Not too familiar with the hue motion, but if lux is sticking .. probably root cause is a routing issue in your network

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I would start by enabling debug logging and looking at your network map when everything is working

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does it report lux periodically normally or only on motion events?

gritty frigate
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that is what it feels like tbh - something at some point interferes and kicks it off

amber gull
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Vis is at Config > Interations > ZHA > Visualization

gritty frigate
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periodically - this thing has 3 sensors, I think they're linked (e.g. all report when it's time)

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cool, on it

gritty frigate
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new info in the logs tho, says "Timeout fetching sensor data"

amber gull
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No, but you want to determine parent of the problematic sensor

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scan not on demand yet, but I think you can scan... maybe with zha_custom or zha_map (haven't tested either recently)

gritty frigate
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trying to add the device up again and see if there's anything weird coming up in the logs

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that looks okayish

whole crown
gritty frigate
amber gull
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The call is coming....from inside the house....no! 😱 πŸ˜‚

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That's not good!

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Looking good Samantha!

gritty frigate
amber gull
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(it was in dev, testing for 13 days)

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can you leave debug logging on until it drops off again and then share them here

gritty frigate
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oh cool - I'll prep up for some flashing ;D

amber gull
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make sure you back up first!

gritty frigate
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not that worried about that - I've got like 3 devices added, so as long as I can readd & name them as they were, all comes back to life πŸ˜„

amber gull
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you can re-add them without removing from HA and they will come back with the same name actually -- but backup is needed (and recommended) if you want to keep the same network

gritty frigate
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I'll give it a go - better safe than sorry

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thanks

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actually... I've got another ZZH stick πŸ˜„

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maybe it's time to flash that one instead πŸ˜„

amber gull
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You can backup first, flash second, restore on second

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then after everything works great, you can flash first with router firmware and have it extend your mesh

gritty frigate
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yep, thats the plan

mighty lava
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Hey guys, do you know if it's possible to run a NVRAM backup of my CC2652RB with zigpy_znp.tools.nvram_read in Hassos ? If I connect to the ha-core docker container from hassos and run it, it's not working because the serial port is alerady in use by ha-core. Is there a way to ask home-assistant to disconnect this serial port or is there a way to stop home-assistant without having to stop the homeassistant container so I can perform this backup ?

amber gull
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You can back it up on any system that has a late-ish version of python and USB port

mighty lava
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Thank you Walt. Right, I feel this will be easier.
Would have been great though to be able to do it from hassos, without having to disconnect the dongle and plug it to another box.

austere patio
amber gull
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haven't tried it that way puds, the docker container may monitor the process and mark the container as unhealthy if the PID is killed and auto restart it for you

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but never ran hassos, so not sure

mighty lava
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am trying, will figure out in a couple of seconds. Thanks puddly

amber gull
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I assume removing ZHA integration temporarily would do it, but I think that now as the side effect of wiping out any automations with device triggers

austere patio
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Yeah. Might be a lot easier to just do it the normal way (you don't have to stop HA, it'll auto reconnect when you plug the USB in) but the hard way is sometimes more fun

mighty lava
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nope, it's not pausing the process.

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bash-5.0# kill -TSTP 236
bash-5.0# ps -o stat,pid,args | grep python
S 236 python3 -m homeassistant --config /config

austere patio
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Odd

mighty lava
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if I just kill it, is there any side effect ? Teh supervisor may figure out and restart the process or the container.

austere patio
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I think it kills the container or something

amber gull
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it may be doing a port check too for health

austere patio
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Do you have no other machine to run Python on?

torn saffron
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Do the ZHA (gateway) folks have their own Discord server?

austere patio
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Which gateway? This is usually the place where everything Zigbee ends up if it's associated with HA

torn saffron
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Zigbee Home Automation

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The HA integration

austere patio
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ZHA controls a bunch of different Zigbee coordinators but you're in the right place regardless of what you're using

torn saffron
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Thanks @austere patio. Their GitHub repository only allows bug reports or device requests and I’m a Python dev looking to contribute. I find the current docs a bit lacking so looking for a place to ask questions.

austere patio
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What part of ZHA? The HA frontend is ZHA but zigpy and the zigpy-* radio libraries do most of the low-level communication. zha-device-handlers makes wacky devices less wacky for ZHA to work with them.

plucky burrow
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Hi Guys,
A newbie question after searching all blogs posts ...
I installed Home Assistant in docker under windows 10 PRO following this procedure https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/installation/docker/#windows
I want to run CC2531 with zigbee devices. I flashed the CC2531 with windows following this procedure https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/flashing_the_cc2531.html#windows I can see the devices in the windows device manager everything seems OK. But
I'm unable to see the device from inside Home Assistant docker container. Is there somewhere a step by step instruction of what needs to be done to be able to access a CC2531 plugged into windows 10 from a Home Assistant docker container ?
TX !!!

mighty lava
austere patio
mellow geode
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I have the following issue:
I have a couple of the GLEDOPTO "Pro" Zigbee controllers and I was actually sent some OTA updates (after multiple months).
However, some controllers and images use manufacturer_id=0 (luckily they're the only one on my network that do this). But image_id is always 0.
Z2M solved this by also matching the model of Zigbee device. Now, I was sent an OTA file which has the same file version as the one that's running on the device.
I modified zigpy code (should_update) to "force" it to upgrade. Since this is now on my test network, I'm using a ConBee (and only the stick and the GLEDOPTO device are on it right now).
This is the log output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9dGBrqXCWW/
Basically, it seems to fail due to "ZCL request 0x000b: [2, <Status.INSUFFICIENT_SPACE: 137>". Does anyone know what that means?

Edit: here's the same thing done but with an EZSP based adapter (Elelabs): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nzWFTBMcx8/

sour shadow
north imp
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HyperV does not have hardware passthrough as far as I know, havent worked with it in a while - VMware Workstation should do the job though

plucky burrow
plucky burrow
sour shadow
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Sadly, running HA on Windows is ... never fun

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A VM is the only sane option

torn saffron
plucky burrow
amber gull
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@mellow geode Did you get it going? offset related maybe?

mellow geode
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No, it's still not working. I'll take a look at the file

mellow geode
final pivot
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Does anyone have any ''wants'' in a zigbee device?

amber gull
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Shelly 2 with decoupled relay in a zigbee version

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and/or power monitoring

final pivot
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do shelly do zigbee products?

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that device looks good, I also was thinking something along them lines...

amber gull
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sonoff makes one zbmini, but not decoupled

final pivot
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yeah, Phillips hue dimmer they have coming?

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is battery powered and have to be hue bulb but still

violet dagger
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i put in a word with sonoff that decoupling is a wanted feature

final pivot
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decoupling is just so you can use no neutral right?

violet dagger
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no its so you can use the switch independent from relay

amber gull
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smart switches with smart bulbs

final pivot
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gotcha

lime locust
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zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/device/configure#
{"id": "0x00158d00038e5ff4"}

violet dagger
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or smart switches with more than one controlled device

lime locust
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need to configure device but where to input it ?

amber gull
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blak, have you heard anything on sonoff's new EFR32 zigbee stick?

violet dagger
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no

jolly bone
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Didn't realise hive would pair with zigbee.. I've been using hive via the HACS instalation method since the old way failed... If using via zigbee will I get the same entitys and control for both zones and hot water?

mellow geode
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I guess the device is somehow not accepting the update?

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(Or any updates for that matter as it's not even getting the whole file)

hexed pilot
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Just received some Blitzwolf shp13 today and added them in ZHA, it creates a switch and 2 sensor, but only one sensor (W) gets populated. Seems I am missing kWh, V and A... What can be wrong ?

mellow geode
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It's a limitation in ZHA at the moment.

lime locust
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anyone got the Trust ZYCT-202 wireless switch working in zigbee2mqtt ?

uneven dew
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hey, can someone point me to how to get to my zigbee device map? i got to it somehow last night
but can't recall how i did

amber gull
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for which integration? ZHA is config > integrations > zha > visualization

jolly narwhal
rugged hinge
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Suggestions on door sensors? location:US

rugged hinge
final pivot
uneven dew
molten linden
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@final pivot i think that is more of an industrial zigbee adapterπŸ˜‚ not sure what it is running. I’m working on making a zigbee to Ethernet serial bridge. https://imgur.com/a/In4MNsN one motivation it to have have a stable device for VM uses so they do t have to do usb pass through

summer thicket
rugged hinge
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Oh looks like for 10

summer thicket
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I'm using them with ZHA

iron harness
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I'm on the lookout as well. My Wyze sensors are dropping like...well you get it. If you come across something...let me know. Thanks

gloomy pivot
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yeah... that night we discussed quite a number of options, but mostly ended up being a "keep your eye on ebay" situation

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wyze themselves ARE doing preorders for their new sensors (which I reluctantly decided to go ahead with πŸ˜…)

rugged hinge
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In that Reddit post looks like the links are broken. Maybe they took down the buy link

summer thicket
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I myself jumped from Wyze to ZHA. I found these #zigbee-archived message for $5 each and have never been happier. Same price as the Wyze sensors and even show temperature.

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And ships from Dallas, Texas

uneven dew
rugged hinge
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What about buttons? I just need a simple zigbee button that is relatively small

pine vine
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Anyone using a danalock with zigbee? Mine connects fine and reports its state into zigbee2mqtt but eventually it just stops reporting. I can resolve this by repairing the device but i'd rather not have to do this every week.

Any suggestions on how to debug and resolve?

torn saffron
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I’m noticing a weird behavior with my Hue Remote. It will often miss commands - my ZHA gateway shows β€œdevice [IEEE]” joined the network every now and then, and I often have to click a button twice or thrice for the command to go through (most time the command does appear in the gateway logs)

torn saffron
thin dome
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Hi everybody. I've tried my luck in integration support, but it seems like no one uses xiaomi gateway. Would anyone here be able to assist maybe? πŸ™‚

sour shadow
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Not with the gateway, but with helping you pick a better solution πŸ˜‰

obsidian sandalBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer
summer thicket
summer thicket
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And they ship from GREENSBURG, IN

gritty frigate
amber gull
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good deal! I would keep debug logging on for now until we see if the sensor drops againοΏΌ

rugged hinge
serene fable
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good morning! I recently put a Zigbee stick on my pi to connect to a motion sensor and a few lutron auroas I have a problem where all my zigbee devices stop working and the stick shows as unavailable until I reboot the host . Should I connect the stick to a powered hub or would that cause interference?

open remnant
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Hello, anyone in UK ordered sonoff zigbee devices from itead.cc. Do you get hit with any import duties, how long did you have to wait?

mighty island
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I was looking at setting up a second HA running on a Pi, as my main one on TrueNAS takes a long time to restart (2 power cuts recently). Is running a second ZHA integration going to confuse the first? i.e. have two ZHA's connecting to my Sonoff Bridge on 8888 TCP socket?

summer thicket
rugged hinge
mighty island
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I have put together a second HA, and when I connected ZHA, it definitely went a bit loopy. The IKEA lights flashing as if they have a brand new connection. I was hoping the ZHA on HA was just a message sender ...

amber gull
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No, most of the logic is implemented in software actually -- @mighty island -- so you can only have one connection the the bridge from one HA instance at a time

tulip talon
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hey guys. anyone got got experience with the Raspbee II ? I got problem to getting it recognized from my pi /HA. Already found the solution - turning off bluetooth basically - i do need bluetooth as well tho
Any ideas?

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Could this be the solution?

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I am not sure as i'm pretty new to RPi and HA

sterile sleet
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I'm not sure but I believe force_turbo allows you to unlock overclocking in non-safe ways and will void your guarantee

primal ibex
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Anyone know why I don't get any deconz_event on double tap? No matter what side of the cube.. it doesn't react to tap or double tap..
Using Deconz integration to HA

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Other event works fine, e.x rotate, flip..

amber gull
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You can try asking here

obsidian sandalBOT
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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Walt_H
amber gull
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Just paired ZZH running router firmware to ZHA 🀞

strange ibex
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noice

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the zzh's are a sibling to everything, haha

sour shadow
dry fossil
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That map reminds me of when they discovered the destination of the dialling code in Stargate...

plucky burrow
rugged hinge
plucky burrow
austere patio
plucky burrow
amber gull
final pivot
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assuming no issues with cc2531 is there any point upgraded to zzh?

sour shadow
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Yes

final pivot
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sorry, cool I will be buying one when back in stock

austere patio
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If you have no issues then you won't see any benefits?

sour shadow
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Well, like going from a car with an underpowered engine, to one from the last 30 years... you may not think there's a problem, but you'll notice the difference

dry fossil
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I thought there might be a car analogy coming 🀣

sour shadow
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It was that or whales

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Planes are good too, though if they're underpowered they're normally called gliders

austere patio
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For a sensor-heavy network there's no benefit

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If you hate the people working with TI firmware, use the CC2531

violet dagger
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❓

austere patio
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It's annoying to have to write code to handle new stuff...and then redo it for the CC2531, which works differently

final pivot
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when people say they have no probelsm there normally lying to themself too;)

violet dagger
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it was the recommended stick for years... and people take old youtube videos as gospel

austere patio
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Only a matter of time before Aliexpress sellers start making their own CC2652R sticks

violet dagger
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:airquotes: using their own design :airquotes:

austere patio
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Not too many ways to hook two chips together lol

limber geode
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Did you get this to work ? I'm debating to buy it as a light status indicator. I have the HUSBZB-1 to control my Hue bulbs.

mellow geode
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They are also confirmed working with ZHA, Z2M, ..

mighty island
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Might be a stupid question, but what's the difference on the ZHA map of the numbers. I have a couple of zeroes (which still work), a few 255's ... and lots of different x/x e.g. 108/97 or 115/115 .. I mean, 108/97? Many thanks for the heads up .. .

gentle flint
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anyone knows why enbrighten zigbee switches is out of stock everywhere?

sonic orbit
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I know it's a cop-out answer... but very likely Covid supply chain delays

violet dagger
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incredibly likely

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sprinkled with trade war between china and trump

gentle flint
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hrm, that's makes sense

violet dagger
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a lot of projects were delayed due to a big rise in import and shipping costs

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and you can't simply put a known product on the market but look its 20% more expensive ya'll

gentle flint
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I just don't get why none of zigbee switch makers (but enbrighten/ge) don't understand that a wall switch should also have an endpoint with "client" on/off clusters to act as a remote

whole crown
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So ... I can code in multiple languages, keep a patient safe who is ventilated, paralysed & on a renal dialysis machine, assemble massively large NAS & SAN systems ...
but apparently totally unable to get MQTT working on my HA Blue! 😫

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Can someone point me at an idiot's guide to doing this? I've googled till I'm blue in the face ... to no avail!

violet dagger
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@gentle flint i spent a few quality emails explaining the same thing to sonoff

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my guess is they don't really think that is a wanted feature for your common app/smartthings using joe

mighty island
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Like the update in ZHA "Zoom to Device" ... except it has tons of unrelated devices .. should only be applicable ones, I presume?

pine goblet
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Changed out my aqara motion sensor with another and still having issue with it. Says clear when it should say detected. GE zigbee switch next to it works fine and should be working as a repeater

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Works sometimes other times not at all. Anyone have any theories?

amber gull
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GE, unfortunately, is shit for repeating and routing

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@whole crown maybe get MQTT Explorer? So you can visually see what's happening. IBM has some good documentation somewhere I believe. You have a broker which is the server. Everything connects to itοΏΌ and devices can pass messages on arbitrary topics around. You can also subscribe to specific topics or a wild card

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There are also qos and retain concepts, but those can wait. All in all, you'll find is a very simple protocol

whole crown
amber gull
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Ahh, so not a protocol problem so much as configuration

whole crown
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Totally!

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I can see my TI stick in the list when I go too HA supervisor->show hardware

tropic depot
molten linden
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@whole crown if using the zigbee2mqtt addon, in the configuration tab

pine goblet
winter mist
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I think I just got a CC2652RB setup with the Zigbee2Mqtt add on. When I added in an LED strip, I see the device show up under the MQTT integration, however it's disabled. Re-enabling it throws a message requiring a restart. Is that workflow expected behavior or did I misconfigure something?

winter mist
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Ah, found the option.

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Sooooo now all I have to do is migrate over 40 something zigbee devices, fun fun fun.

mystic grove
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can anyone help me trouble shoot my deconz? everything was working fine and then all of a sudden -- nothing works

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did something happen and i missed it?

amber gull
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We don't get too many deconz experts here these days. You could try their discord but they may not be done with breakfast yet

obsidian sandalBOT
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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Walt_H
warm cape
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Does anyone have an up to date guide to add unsupported device (Tuya device) to Home Assistant? I tried to find online but I am having issues as I do not have any prior experience. What I've done up till this point:

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I have a cc2531 as the coordinator connected to the usb port of a raspberry pi 3b+ flashed with Home Assistant

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I am also using zigbee2mqtt add on from the hassio addons

indigo sigil
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Hi guys, is anyone here usinc C2531 dongle? . Is it the CC2531 require to flash it before it could work with Raspberry Pi HA OS ?.
Or it could work just like plug and play?

sour shadow
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It needs the relevant Zigbee coordinator firmware on it

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If you bought it unflashed, you need to flash it

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If you bought it flashed, you don't

indigo sigil
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ohh

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okay i'll check it out

thorny phoenix
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better open window and throw it

sour shadow
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You then need to throw it in a drawer and buy something decent πŸ˜‰

obsidian sandalBOT
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The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '~cc253x' was invoked by: Tinkerer
thorny phoenix
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:))))

warm cape
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I actually have them all set up but not all devices are supported 😦

sour shadow
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Some folks who use the add-on should turn up at some point

warm cape
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Cool πŸ™‚

thorny phoenix
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i think u can try it yourself

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to add

sour shadow
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They're looking for help with that πŸ˜‰

warm cape
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I am trying now but then because the device is Tuya device, it adds further complications... For a beginner like me its so hardπŸ˜†

thorny phoenix
warm cape
thorny phoenix
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pay attention that if u are using cc2531 u may find out that it can pair only in a short amount of time

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if u put the device in pairing mode and not a single interview from mqtt...then...coordinator is guilty

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i lost 2 days with a supported device trying to pair a zigbee device

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and i restarted vm , re-added cc2531...and in 2 minutes there i go with my new zigbee device

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un-paired the device...and nothing worked untill....reboot host and re-add usb dongle

warm cape
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Oh damn... Now I am not sure if it still works lol. But I want to at least be able to control my device even for a while, before spending more on a better coordinator

thorny phoenix
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for 40 $ it doesn't make sense to lose time

warm cape
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I got that for a far cheaper price XD

thorny phoenix
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u got wht?

warm cape
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Either way still learning so hopefully it won't fail me during this short period

thorny phoenix
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for 40$ to BUY a new coordinator !!!

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i know cc2531 is 5$

warm cape
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Oh haha. Once I am confident with my skill I will

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Still a long way to go

thorny phoenix
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if u want to find a better path..don't try it with both eyes closed

indigo sigil
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So i just search up and my dongle require flashing it but ordering the item would take a lot of time as i couldn't find any that is available ready stock in my country. Is there any chances if i just buy the zigbee gateway like TUYA's or AQARA and it could work with the devices that i have?. Currently i got Zemismart zigbee, Aqara Zigbee and some TUYA's zigbee devices

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and Additionally, if we flash it with Zigbee2Mqtt , does this mean we could use the dongle with 2 type of connection MQTT and Zigbee ? well i get confused reading things out haha

violet dagger
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zigbee device > zigbee coordinator > MQTT > Home Assistant

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there is a slight chance, you need an open gateway to use all of your devices

indigo sigil
violet dagger
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no i like google and reading for my information

indigo sigil
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could u elaborate more what do you mean with open gateway?

violet dagger
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one working with zigbee2mqtt or ZHA

indigo sigil
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with those 3 brands that i have on my hands , do you have any that you would recommend?

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Zemismart Motor Blinders Zigbee
Aqara & Tuya Devices Zigbee

violet dagger
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yes, one compatible with zigbee2mqtt or ZHA

indigo sigil
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okay thank you very much sir i'll look into it

warm cape
indigo sigil
warm cape
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Do note that if you want to flash it with raspberry pi you have to do it with a different image. So you basically need to flash your raspberry twice in this scenario, one to flash your cc2531, then flash it back to HA. Unless you have another raspberry pi lying around

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You can go to youtube for some tutorials on how to flash your cc2531 using just raspberry pi if you choose to go that way (It might involves bending your pins though)

indigo sigil
warm cape
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Errrr maybe I didn't explain it clear enough. Basically what I meant was, if you want to flash your cc2531 with the raspberry pi, your raspberry pi needs to act like a computer, which in your case you will need to first flash your raspberry pi with sd card. And then you flash your cc2531 with it. After that, you mentioned you wanted to use HA on raspberry pi right? That involves another round of flashing using the sd card. I am not sure which tutorial you checked but I will share the one that i saw.

violet dagger
indigo sigil
# warm cape Errrr maybe I didn't explain it clear enough. Basically what I meant was, if you...

Sorry i might confused you around. I did understand what you were saying about the Raspberrpi Require to be flashed twice, In my case i didn't do much so i wouldn't mind to flash it twice to just make that zigbee dongle work. Well, without the zigbee dongle, i just have around 3 out of 14 devices i have currently working for me. I just need to consider which way i should go to get the dongle flashed and work. I am facing 2 problem , my money budget on this project and the dateline. So i'll look and consider the option, thanks for the info sir

indigo sigil
warm cape
lone echo
final pivot
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What do you guys think is the king in the cheap motion sensors category, woul it be the SONOFF SNZB-03, looking to cost Β£6 per sensors (bangood 5 for Β£30 I got price from)

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Top end, Hue is up there, but will be looking to add some cheap ones for rooms that just used for security purposed, so timeout is not a problem

desert cloak
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I have 15 Ikea motion sensors and 5 hue, no problems, but Ikea needs battery replacement every two-three months if in heavy use. I also have 4 sonoff, but one of them seem to randomly die, until repaired. I have also heard that some of them trigger false positives. Haven’t noticed that myself.

fresh citrus
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I'm using Deconz (and HA) in a docker and just bought IKEA FYTUR (the blinds). Worked yesterday but today when i try to use it in HA i see a log entry in Deconz saying "drop request to zombie (rx = 0)" Using the ConBee II stick and all other lights, tempstuff etc works fine. And the blind worked yesterday.
If i use VNC to Deconz and control it through cluster info Up/Down etc it works from there. I've rebooted Deconz and HA ofc. Any tips?

dry fossil
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Or... get the Aqara ones and do the hardware hack to get 5 second times and great battery life 🀯

thorny phoenix
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hack? is not a bad thing ?

sour shadow
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The term hack predates people twisting it to mean break into computers

desert cloak
amber gull
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@desert cloak FYI, there is a bug in coordinator firmware( for silabs only ) that leaves IKEA in short polling mode and kills batteries

desert cloak
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No cure?

amber gull
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Fixed in 6.7.8 I believe

fleet lodge
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Hi all

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Can anyone talk about their experience with AQARA Smart Plugs acting as Zigbee Routers?

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Good coverage? I'm going to install 80+ AQARA Sensors in a facility and just plan to scatter AQARA Smart Plugs in every other room where we install our solution.

amber gull
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Depends on the construction type and material of the facility

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If you're doing it in a commercial setting, first of all I'd never use οΏΌuse aqara due to their idiosyncrasies, but I would do a survey/test install

fleet lodge
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I think that's ignorant of you to say. The "idiosyncrasies" are greatly exaggerated in Zigbee communities and when all of my Zigbee devices are AQARA, the fact that they use Zigbee 1.2 is not an issue for me. I'd love to use Develco, but I'd literally be paying 3X - 4X the price per sensor.

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If anyone has experience with AQARA Smart Plugs acting as Zigbee Routers, I'd love to hear from you.

austere patio
molten linden
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Aqara device don't follow the zigbee spec so I think that is why idiosyncrasies was used.

austere patio
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Not to say that they just don't work. All of my motion sensors and temperature sensors are Aqara. They work great. But they on occasion drop off the network if their parent goes down, which will be annoying if you have 80+ sensors.

fleet lodge
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I'm well aware of AQARA's shortcomings and the fact that they did not implement the Zigbee Standard to spec. But again, features like "network key rotation" and "channel switching" are not worth 3 - 4X when I am trying to bootstrap a business.

fleet lodge
austere patio
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Are you using motion or temperature sensors? Both?

fleet lodge
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Temperature, Motion, Vibration and Contact

austere patio
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Hmm, I guess the modded motion sensors immediately rejoin

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Not sure about the normal ones

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Let's see how the temperature sensor behaves

fleet lodge
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....

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I've deployed my this solution in 10 different homes including my own

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I've never had a sensor fall out off any of the networks I manage

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Again, maybe this is a question nobody in here has experience with, but I'd love to learn about experiences with AQARA Smart Plugs acting as Zigbee Routers

austere patio
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I've personally had no issues with Ikea smart plugs and bulbs acting as routers for Xiaomi stuff. Are you using the Aqara smart plug just due to its price? Or its functionality as a smart plug as well?

fleet lodge
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AQARA Smart Plug because it uses the same bastard protocol that all my other AQARA devices use.

austere patio
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Though IKEA (really any SiLabs-based router) has the same stack lockup bug

fleet lodge
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"Stack lockup bug"?

austere patio
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Needs hard reboot after a few months if you have a really traffic-heavy network

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Not 100% sure what is the exact trigger but it happened to me only a few times in the past few years

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Aqara is still probably using the NXP stack with a JN5169 so it doesn't have that problem

fleet lodge
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Interesting.

near echo
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which co-ordinator are you using?

fleet lodge
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Yeah, even just thinking this through, I'm just going to move forward with scattering a few AQARA Smart Plugs.

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ZZH

austere patio
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Aqara temperature sensor doesn't rejoin the network after I shut off its parent

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Even after clicking the button

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And blowing on it to get it to send a report

fleet lodge
near echo
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okay - you might want to check - whether would you need so many aqara plugs. I had good experience with Ikea plugs - but have only 2 of them - rest 3 are CC2531 cheapos acting as routers

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I recently removed ikea and those CC2531 have a good connection

fleet lodge
near echo
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yeah - just don't go arond buying the plugs first - a properly placed bulbs themselves will act as good routers

fleet lodge
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I have a WiFi device that I have to plug into outlets. So I'll just daisy chain the two together without pissing anyone off.

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Honestly way more concerned about the WiFi devices and scattering AP's hahahaha

austere patio
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Sonoff temperature sensor rejoins after its parent goes away

fleet lodge
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@austere patio I've already purchased 115 AQARA Temperature sensors.

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There's no turning back for me.

austere patio
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Too bad they're based on the CC2530 and have no OTA update capabilities. But they are Zigbee 3.0 and have configurable attribute reporting

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I don't think it matters very much what parent device you use, with the exception of I think Hue and some other brand that didn't like Aqara's broken Zigbee

fleet lodge
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Right right. I've heard the same about OSRAM

austere patio
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Yeah, that's probably the one

fleet lodge
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Welp. Fuck it. Here we go.

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Thanks gents

uneven plank
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is it possible to force a device to use a certaion router.. I have a aqara temp sensor which is 2 meters away from a hue bulb, but it keeps on connecting dirrectly to my coordinator in the other end of the house, therefor having 0 in connection value.

amber gull
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Yes, you can rejoin the sensor, only selectively opening up the network from the hue bulb

uneven plank
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I have tried to reconnect it, but how do I selectively open my netowrk?

amber gull
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Which integration are you using?

uneven plank
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zigbee2mqtt

amber gull
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Might be in the GUI somewhere too, haven't seen it yet

final pivot
final pivot
rugged hinge
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Anyone have opinions on the iris 3460-L? Can get them for about $6 on eBay

austere patio
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I just tested my modded ones and I'm not sure if it's because they're permanently in test mode, but they immediately rejoin the network without any interaction if they're triggered and their parent is offline

final pivot
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I can see aqara being better option if doing the mod

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if your not sonoff seems better value right?

austere patio
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I haven't set mine up yet so πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

final pivot
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set what up, sonoff or aqara

austere patio
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Sonoff

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It's ZB3 but I'm not sure if you can configure the motion trigger period

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New Aqara T1 motion sensor is both Zigbee 3.0 and same form factor as the old one, but with a configurable trigger period

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I'll have to buy a few when they are being sold more commonly on Aliexpress

tropic depot
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can we get the T1 stuff anywhere yet?

austere patio
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Should do a group buy for US-based people. Maybe we'd get better pricing.

tropic depot
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I have yet to see them available

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I check every once in a while

austere patio
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People just seem to obtain them somehow

sour shadow
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If they'd sell the damned things I'd do a bulk purchase and rip out all my Konke and Aqara 1.2 stuff πŸ˜„

tropic depot
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same

molten linden
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so is it common practice to go on Ali and search for things like T1 or cc2652 or efr32mg? 🀣

tropic depot
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yes

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lol

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weekly

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😦

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they are selling them in aqara stores over seas

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that's my understanding.... just not on ALI yet

molten linden
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they slipped out through one store last month I think

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but now they are just selling the old stuff ^ Ali store.

tropic depot
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I missed that for sure

austere patio
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Maybe we need to pool together money for a plane ticket and a large suitcase...

tropic depot
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hahahahahahaha

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would we be allowed back?

molten linden
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going through customs re-entry would be interestng

tropic depot
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didn't they add Xiaomi to some restricted list

molten linden
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us gov. can't buy I think

austere patio
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Good thing they're Aqara lol

balmy ginkgo
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Weird, it still has ttyACA0 as raspbee but that's on my desk and not inserted. Apparently i need ttyACM0 now for conbee

amber gull
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Just for US investments Dave -- export and purchase still allowed

tropic depot
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ah

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good to know

amber gull
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Yes, thank god, lol

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Need my fix

molten linden
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it's DJI that is hit harder I think.

balmy ginkgo
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"discovery found version 2.04.35 for update channel stable"
Sounds good, right? Now HA will discover it? So i just wait for notification?

molten linden
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I crashed my mavic air 2 in the snow the other day πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ but just need a new bottom cover which was $22 on banggood.

balmy ginkgo
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just need to learn how to fly it πŸ˜‰

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does a little dance "HA as found it!!"

molten linden
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made 2 mistakes.. took off from the ground so bottom sensors got covered.. and then the snow was hitting my phone screen which is what really caused the issue. minor damage, lessons learned...

final pivot
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whats the bees knees with the aqara t1?

austere patio
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They are Zigbee 3.0 certified so they supposedly work like any other Zigbee 3.0 motion sensor

final pivot
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why aqara<sonoff?

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aqara have temp sensor?

austere patio
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Yes, temp/humidity/pressure

final pivot
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and assuming Sonoff don't?

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any idea if the same mod works?

austere patio
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No, they have one as well

amber gull
balmy ginkgo
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aqara is huawei innit.

austere patio
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You don't need to do any mods to get their sensors to report attribute changes more frequently because they're Zigbee 3.0. Dunno what the minimum reporting interval is though.

balmy ginkgo
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Clever ppl there.

wintry trout
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I`m getting this after the latest upgrade of HA :

2021-02-04 17:26:40 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.helpers.template] Error parsing value: 'value_json' is undefined (value: , template: {{ value_json.update_available}})
2021-02-04 17:26:40 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.util.logging] Exception in state_received when handling msg on 'zigbee2mqtt/stairway Ikea': ```
Any ideea how to fix the issue ?
final pivot
austere patio
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Are you talking about the motion sensor or the temperature sensor?

final pivot
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Motion Sensor, for both

austere patio
final pivot
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wondering why aqara is better then Sonoff at 2x price

balmy ginkgo
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They smaller probably

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at least for door sensor wich i bought. The sonoff may have a conventional battery. And is huge. This aqara door sensor is tiny. relative to eachother

austere patio
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Doesn't look like you can configure the interval

final pivot
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do you know if sonoff Pir has temp? does'nt look like it from initial search

austere patio
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If the motion sensor has a temperature sensor?

final pivot
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I mean it exposes it to ZHA, Z2M

austere patio
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Doesn't look like it

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Even if it did, the majority of the time the "temperature" sensor is built into the Zigbee chip and not actually an accurate external sensor

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So the readings are garbage

final pivot
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Ahh i looked on the database of devices that doesnt tell you what it exposes, will remember that z2m does

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yeah for sure, still nice though... but back to my question why would one be more inclined for Aqara PIR over Sonoff PIR?

austere patio
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I need my 5s reporting interval

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And don't want to pay 3x the price for a Hue sensor

final pivot
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Reporting interval means timeout bewteen motion right?

austere patio
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Yes

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The modded aqara sensors send a "motion triggered" event every 5s

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Normally they send one every ~65s

final pivot
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When you say it sends an event every 5 seconds, that just means it ignores events for 5s?

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I bought 3 Hue last year, was mouthful spending Β£90, but that money is long gone and happy with them, anymore of them I need are not essentials to have better timeout

austere patio
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The end result being that if the sensor usually reports every 5s and you stop receiving reports, you will know that a room is clear within 5s

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Instead of a minute

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Not amazingly useful unless you want to make an automation that makes the lights follow you around

final pivot
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So is there 2 terminologies of timings here right?

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''Timeout'' and ''interval checks''

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or have I got it wrong?

austere patio
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Aqara only sends "I see motion" messages every 5s (normally 60s). It just stops sending them if there is no motion

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Normal sensors send a "there is motion" message and then send a "there is no more motion" message later

final pivot
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Given the Sonoff is Z3 and does not allow you to change interval, is there any evidence that aqara T1 can?

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natively*

austere patio
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Some random person online who seems to have the device said that you could πŸ˜†

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You can do it with Hue and it's not some manufacturer-specific thing

final pivot
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haha okay, semi credible, I know you said you havent fully tested it yet but modded Aqara vs Z3 Aqara, any reason to upgrade if you had them?

rugged hinge
#

Anyone have opinions on the iris 3460-L? Can get them for about $6 on eBay

austere patio
pine goblet
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@austere patio I swapped out that sensor I was having problems with and just as you said, the new one is having same issue. I’m wondering if the GE zigbee switch next to it isn’t repeating properly

austere patio
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Hmm. Maybe cut the power to the room, re-join the sensor to your network, and try it again? That may (temporarily) force it off of the GE switch

pine goblet
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The only repeaters in my house are GE zigbee switches. Someone yesterday said they are known to have issues repeating/routing

austere patio
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Could try joining it directly to the coordinator

pine goblet
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It’s all the way in the basement. The motion sensor in question is on the second floor. My other second floor bathroom and the first floor master have no issues with the same setup though. That’s the weird part

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And I don’t think it’s a distance thing because I can control the switch with HA manually at the times when the motion sensor isn’t tripping

austere patio
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What are the parent routers of the ones that work fine?

pine goblet
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How can I check that? I’m assuming it would be each bathrooms relative GE switch

austere patio
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You never know, sometimes they pick a different parent.

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Whatever Zigbee integration you're using should have a mapping feature

pine goblet
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I’m on ZHA. I’ll take a look

naive ivy
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I've just discovered something weird. A while back I updated firmware on my Sylvania Zigbee bulbs, and Home Assistant stopped showing me the option to start the 'colorloop' effect. I assumed the firmware update removed it. But I just got an awesome new RGBGenie remote, and it has a colorloop button on it. Once bound to the sylvania bulbs, it starts and stops the colorloop just fine.

austere patio
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Have you removed and re-added the bulb from ZHA?

naive ivy
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Not recently, but I'm pretty sure I removed/re-added/factory reset a couple times while troubleshooting

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After the firmware update

austere patio
#

Hmm. What does the device signature say? Does it have a quirk applied? Did it before?

naive ivy
#

I believe it had a quirk applied before the update as well

austere patio
#

Hmm. Might be a ZHA thing then, I'm not too sure

naive ivy
#

Yeah. I'm not quite familiar enough with Zigbee to really dig in and see what's going on. Home Assistant/ZHA does see the colorloop-related clusters, but doesn't seem to read the correct capabilities

pine goblet
#

I can’t seem to find the network map for ZHA. I know I’ve seen it before

naive ivy
#

Integrations->ZHA->Visualization tab at the top

molten linden
#

see if you remove that quirk if it shows up...

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just a thought

pine goblet
molten linden
#

I know my ledvance bulbs worked fine without it

naive ivy
pine goblet
#

All I get when I click that is two buttons, Devices and Entities

molten linden
#

and it was added not that long ago to add the save defaults like the osram bulbs

naive ivy
#

Looking at the quirk (without really understanding what I'm looking at) it appears to not really do much, except maybe override(remove?) the LEDVanceLightCluster

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Uh.. how would one remove a quirk?

molten linden
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on the quirk page

mellow geode
#

You'd need to modify zha-quirks (there's a section in the readme file). Just delete the file for the LedvanceA19RGBW quirk

molten linden
#

there is a section about testing quirks in the readme

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yea delete it or just rename it to .py.bak

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delete the py_cache folder and restart ha.

pine goblet
#

What would cause the visualization button from disappearing from my integration page? I know I’ve seen it there in the past but now all that comes up is β€œzigbee network - in the future you can change network settings for ZHA here - Devices - Entities”

mellow geode
#

It's at the top

pine goblet
#

I only have a back arrow at the top

mellow geode
#

If you're on mobile, it's at the bottom (after having clicked Configure)

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Should be on top otherwise

pine goblet
#

I see 😁 thank you. I’m embarrassed for not checking the bottom buttons

naive ivy
#

Ok lemme see if I know what I'm doing here or just breaking stuff πŸ˜„

molten linden
#

I'm testing it really quick

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I can let you know.. HA is restarting now.

pine goblet
#

Super laggy moving around the network map

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My map looks whacked out. None of the devices look like they’re following the most logical pathway

#

Is there a way to customize my zigbee network routing?

molten linden
#

no change so don't waste your time.

naive ivy
#

Bummer. So... can a quirk be made to override the capabilities bitfield? Or could it be overridden at some other layer of Home Assistant?

molten linden
#

not sure if raising an issue with quirks or ha

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maybe start with quirks.

naive ivy
#

I'll try to gather my thoughts and open an issue against quirks later today.

austere patio
pine goblet
#

Nortek security 2 in 1

#

With I think is a silicon labs ezsp if that’s a thing

austere patio
#

If you're dealing with Aqara devices, you can go to the specific router in ZHA and click the "permit joins through this device" or whatever the button says

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And re-join the sensor to your network

torn saffron
#

Hi. Just got my Phillips Hue Motion sensor and motion is always clear, the occupancy is correctly reported. Any ideas?

pine goblet
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@austere patio for example of how odd my network is, the 2nd floor motion sensor in question is connecting directly to my coordinator in the basement even though there’s 3 GE switches between them

austere patio
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Aqara appears to pick the very first router it sees, which may not always be the best

pine goblet
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Understood. My entire network looks like that. I’m wondering if now would be a good time to switch to MQTT instead of reconfiguring everything only to have to do it again later

austere patio
#

If that's your coordinator, you can't

pine goblet
#

I’m going to order a zzh

austere patio
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Z2M doesn't support EZSP

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ZZH also works with ZHA and you can migrate your network from the HUSBZB-1

pine goblet
#

Whenever they go back in stock I was planning on ordering a zzh! And switching over

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Really? I thought I was going to have to readd everything manually

austere patio
#

Well, unofficially. But three people have used my script so far without any real issues.

pine goblet
#

That would be a huge time saver

austere patio
#

Eventually we'll get a unified backup format

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So you should be able to somewhat migrate between any stick and any integration

pine goblet
#

Is your script posted somewhere?

austere patio
#

Not at the moment but I can send it to you later when you get your ZZH

#

By that time we might have the backup format working

pine goblet
#

Sounds good. Wonder how long till the zzh is back in stock

austere patio
#

Looks like slaesh's stick is out of stock as well

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@molten linden is our only hope

pine goblet
#

Are both sticks equally as good?

sour shadow
#

There's a real world guide in the pinned messages πŸ˜‰

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The ZZH and Slaesh are on the same basic chipset, so performance is the pretty much the same

molten linden
#

Walt is stress testing one of the gateways I made/ plan to make more of. I have a couple early rev ones made and working. waiting on parts to make more. if you are in the US and need something sooner let me know.

pine goblet
amber gull
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/opt/homeassistant$ ./zstack-all.sh 
      1 FormationFailure
      1 NetworkRestored
      6 MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE
     38 MAC_NO_ACK
     42 FAIL
    106 NWK_NO_ROUTE
    147 APS_NO_ACK
  24738 SUCCESS
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Numbers look great so far, actually -- everything feels super zippy

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maybe even better stats then the ZZH, I'd have to go look

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I have the ZZH online concurrently now too, helping with a ton of routing so probably not a fair comparison

pine goblet
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@molten linden No rush, besides me being impatient. You think they’ll be ready within the next few weeks?

mellow geode
tropic depot
#

the bulb doesn't report that it supports color loop

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just checked

naive ivy
#

I think maybe the firmware update did change its reported capabilities, yeah..

tropic depot
#

if it works with the remote it means either the bulb firmware is jacked (likely)

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that can be corrected in a quirk

naive ivy
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My remote just blindfires the colorloop commands with no regard for capabilities, and it works

tropic depot
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by setting a constant attribute that overrides the color capabilities value

naive ivy
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I had a feeling that would be possible; I'll have to dig in to it later on when I'm done working

mellow geode
naive ivy
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Well my bulbs came with out-of-date firmware i think. Just got them a month or so ago, marked wayyy down on amazon

mellow geode
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Ah, could be the case

#

Do they have a QR-code on them?

naive ivy
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they do not

mellow geode
#

I guess they're not Zigbee 3.0 lights then (in LEDVANCE terms: the firmware is (really) old on them)

#

All lights listed here are "Zigbee 3.0" (and run way better -- still not great -- firmware than their OSRAM Lightify equivalents)

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As long as they work though, that's good
Just had some issues with "LEDVANCE" that turned out to still run the old OSRAM firmware

balmy ginkgo
mellow geode
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ZHA sends zha_events. I guess for deconz, maybe try to listen for deconz_event in the developers section

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Developer tools -> events -> "Listen for events" -> enter deconz_event -> Start listening

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(or something along those lines)

balmy ginkgo
#

I will try another one.. see what that does

desert cloak
mellow geode
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You need to listen for deconz_event.

#

The switch is stateless

balmy ginkgo
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Awwww

mellow geode
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Perhaps there are even device automations

balmy ginkgo
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ofcourse it's clicketyclack dome switch

mellow geode
balmy ginkgo
#

Thanks bookmarked that, for now i stick to community blueprint i found.

mellow bear
#

hey, dumb question about Z2M. did it recently change how entities are exposed to home assistant? In the past I would use Z2M to change the name to something like bedroom_light1, but the entity was exposed as "light.bedroom_light1_light" now, it seems when creating names of lights, it's no longer appending the "light" in home assistant when renaming new z2m devices. trying to go through the version changelogs, and don't seem to see anything obvious that alludes to this change.

old kernel
pine goblet
#

Something weird I noticed that may be irrelevant, but every device I click, even aqara sensors, are labeled as zigbee coordinator

jade snow
#

Does anyone know how to get a device showing in deConz into HA?

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I couldnt add it via Phoscon, but it shows up in the Deconz VNC controller as connected to the network

tiny storm
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Hi guys, i cant seem to get ZHA to work, my conbeeII doesnt alway get recognized. Ive tried deconz aswell but that just says 'network not found'. Could someone please help me with this?
im running ~HomeAssistant on ORACLE from a windows computer which has a Ubuntu distro running

winter mist
#

Just an FYI. The CC2652 ZigBee coordinator USB sticks made by slaesh's that I ordered off of his Tindie store two months ago never arrived, and slaesh stopped being responsive when I asked if he could open up a support ticket with DHL to find it. I didn't ask for a refund, and ended up paying for a 2nd order through his personal web store on his site (this order did show up last night). Tindie's support staff just issued me a refund for my initial order with an apologetic message saying that the seller had closed shop and had plenty of other outstanding orders where those customers also reported that they never received delivery. If you're in the same boat as me you can try contacting Tindie, though I have no idea if they're paying for the refunds out of pocket or not. Also be careful ordering through slaesh's website directly as there's no seller market to give you a hand if any issues come up with the order.

mighty river
#

If you get a DHL tracking number you can bug them directly

tiny storm
#

Can anyone help me adding my zigbeestick Conbee2 to HA?

#

Im stuck at : enter port specific settings, serial device path

winter mist
#

@mighty river I tried poking DHL directly but they wanted the customer account number for the shipper, which I didn't have.

tiny storm
#

it says 'Failed to connect'

austere patio
winter mist
#

@austere patio I eventually got what I ordered, just wanted to post that here as a warning to others to know what they might be getting themselves into. The only sad thing to me is that this flavor of stick it only really available through this single store.

austere patio
#

That sucks too, since slaesh's stick had better non-Zigbee hardware

pine goblet
#

Anyone have success getting aqara sensors to connect to GE jasco zigbee switches?

lime locust
#

My magic cube is reporting 2 lines of actions on every action , which might be screwing up my automation anyway to disable this ?

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Zigbee2MQTT:info 2021-02-04 21:08:03: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/0x00158d00057b06b4', payload '{"action":"tap","angle":59.57,"battery":91,"linkquality":57,"side":0,"voltage":2985}'
,Zigbee2MQTT:info 2021-02-04 21:08:03: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/0x00158d00057b06b4', payload '{"action":"","angle":59.57,"battery":91,"linkquality":57,"side":0,"voltage":2985}'

#

legacy set to False

dry fossil
#

It's reporting what it thinks it should report. Nothing to fix there.

#

Solve it in your automations.

#

That's also two separate actions πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

lime locust
#

nope its the same tap

dry fossil
#

No... read the messages.

#

"action":"tap" isn't the same as "action":""

#

You tapped it. Then you did nothing with it. Two actions.

#

It's like how motion sensors tell you when there's motion and when it's clear.

lime locust
#

ah thnks

tiny storm
#

whats the best zigbee dongle if ConbeeII isnt working for me?

amber gull
#

Until tube hits the market, probably the ZZH

sour shadow
tiny storm
#

ZZH looks to be sold out nearly everywhere

#

Cant get conbeeII to work with ZHA nor with Deconz

sour shadow
#

Well, ZHA would be a different stick anyway πŸ˜‰

tiny storm
#

but shouldnt they just work regardless of the stick?

sour shadow
#

Yes, but each has their own "best" (or most preferred) chipset

austere patio
#

It should at least "work"

sour shadow
#

Assuming that the stick isn't broken

austere patio
#

If it works with neither then it's some problem elsewhere

#

Yeah

sour shadow
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Or a config issue

austere patio
#

Are you running Home Assistant OS or are you using your own core installation?

tiny storm
obsidian sandalBOT
#

@tiny storm Discord isn't like IRC, you don't have to tag people on every response. Keep in mind that every time you tag somebody, they get a notification ping. That can very quickly become annoying and people may block you.

When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~irc' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

Then it's an install method related issue, or a I'm not giving this Pi enough power issue

tiny storm
#

running Oracle on Win10, with the VDI from home assistant

austere patio
#

So is the hardware visible within the Home Assistant OS main OS?

tiny storm
#

i took notice of your irc reference πŸ˜‰

sour shadow
#

Oracle ... VirtualBox?

tiny storm
#

yes isr

#

sir

sour shadow
#

Oracle doing more things than just that πŸ˜‰

tiny storm
#

its visible in general --> hardware

austere patio
tiny storm
#

k, let me see if i can replicate this again

#

thanks for your time btw

austere patio
#

Does it even add?

#

Or does it break after ZHA is already setup?

tiny storm
#

wtf

#

it just added, i swear...this has been bugging me for two days now

#

lemme get a sensor

austere patio
#

Debug logs fix everything lol

round dragon
#

I have been using Aqara senors for 2,5 week, and now they are down alot in battery, some at 59%, 62% and 73%. Even my one magnet sensor that is not in use, that is just sitting on my desk , is at 77%. But all my 3 motion is still at 100% ? Im using the ZHA integration with a conbee II usb. This cant be normal? To high update rate on my sensors? Any way to change that?

austere patio
#

Aqara battery levels are useless

#

They'll sit at 50% for three years and then just stop working

#

But no, you can't change the reporting interval for Aqara sensors. They send reports about once an hour and then whenever something happens. I would just not worry about the battery level. If you just got them and they have fresh batteries, they will work for a few years.

round dragon
#

Strange....

austere patio
#

Such is Zigbee

tiny storm
#

puddly i never got back at you, for some reason everything works now..the last thing i added was the logger

#

thanks anyway for your time and help

pine goblet
#

I just tried for 15 minutes to connect my aqara motion sensor directly to my light switch. Would you believe right when I was ready to give up it connected. I go to the network map and for some reason it has two lines, white line to a random bulb and a red line to the switch next to the one I was trying to connect it to

#

Satisfying when things work, super frustrating when they don’t lol

open creek
#

good luck with aquara sensors, i dont have much success with their temp/humidity/pressure sensor :/

pine goblet
#

My problem came with one of my bathroom motion sensors for my lights. Checked the network map and it was linked to the coordinator two floors away on the opposite side of my house instead of the switch 5 feet away from it lol

dry fossil
#

I only have one humidity sensor but it's perfect. Never disconnects. Reports changes quickly.

pine goblet
#

I just can’t figure out why it would connect to two other random devices and not the one I was trying to pair it to

#

Very odd behavior

#

Especially considering the one bulb is like 50 feet away

open creek
#

yes i see that too, i specifically add it via a certain device, then a day or so later i'll see on the map it's connected to something waay far away

dry fossil
#

Well that's mesh networks for you. They're in control, not you.

open creek
#

but but, it's not the best path, lol

dry fossil
#

πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

pine goblet
#

Normally I wouldn’t care but I believe it’s causing my sensor to not work

#

What do red/white/green lines mean?

torn saffron
#

Aqara and Phillips motion sensor are reporting around 0.9Β°C difference in temperature. Which would you trust more? πŸ€”

violet dagger
#

correct answer is neither

torn saffron
#

hehe

dry fossil
#

You'll have to do the ice test πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

torn saffron
#

I actually kinda expected this answer here. Do you have any that you do recommend @violet dagger ? (If you’re the one maintaining the website which lists device support - thank you!)

violet dagger
#

no, they will all be off by some percentage

#

only way is to compare with an accurate mercury thermometer

torn saffron
#

Ok. Different phrasing: if you had to choose one (doesn’t have to be either) which would that be?

violet dagger
#

whichever is closer to the actual temperature reading

#

or you go eenie-meenie

pine goblet
#

I’ve been happy with my aqara

mellow geode
torn saffron
#

I know it’s not scientific. Just turned on a small heater. Aqara stayed in place (it’s cold here), Phillips down by 0.5Β°C. Will continue to experiment.

dry fossil
#

They don't report at high resolution. It's normal for them to only report in steps of 0.5 or even 1 degrees.

#

Celsius, that is. Not Freedom units.

pine goblet
austere patio
#

Aqara uses the SHT30. They're pretty good

junior juniper
#

anyone know an alternative to zigbee2mqtt for nortek? I want to move my usb stick from my crawlspace into a raspberry pi located in a more centralized location in the house

#

going for the usbip option πŸ™‚

queen lagoon
#

Hi How can i put docker container privileged mode(ziggbee2mqtt)

dusky hill
#

recently switched from conbee 2 to ti launchxl-cc1352p. LQI dropped quite a bit where my 1st wall switch is hovering around 15. How can i bump up to antenna power (i didnt do the resoldering for the antenna)

mellow geode
#

Don't worry about LQI

#

It's probably calculated differently on the Conbee sticks vs on TI sticks

#

If the switch works, that's good

dusky hill
#

good to know, thanks!

#

seemed like a useful signal strength metric but was definitely confusing me some

queen lagoon
#

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-02-04 19:04:31: Failed to disable reporting for '0x84182600000fb7c7' - Error: Unbind 0x84182600000fb7c7/3 genOnOff from '0x00124b001936aadd/1' failed (AREQ - ZDO - unbindRsp after 10000ms)
at Timeout._onTimeout (/zigbee2mqtt-1.17.1/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/utils/waitress.js:46:35)
at listOnTimeout (internal/timers.js:554:17)
at processTimers (internal/timers.js:497:7)

any ideas? all my devices have this error 😦

mighty lava
austere patio
#

Migrated my network from a LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-2 to a CC2531 and of the 3k request sent so far, only 1% initially failed, with zero actually failing after internal retrying

#

Pretty decent performance with ~25 routers and ~25 sensors IMO for $4

near echo
#

Same here. I use CC2531 (with external antenna) with around 50 odd devices in a 2500 sq.ft 2 floor house. Don't have any problem. I do have one without antenna and that perform horribly. So I guess depends on who is manufacturing them

mighty lava
#

Nice. How do you get these stats puddly ?

austere patio
mighty lava
#

Got it. What message do you get when it's failing ?

austere patio
#

If you're using a TI stick with ZHA, cat home-assistant.log | grep -F 'Received command: AF.DataConfirm' will tell you what the stick responds with to each request

#

(only if you have debug logging enabled)

#

Things that initially fail with certain status codes are internally retried so you may see something fail with TSN=123 but then succeed a few requests later with TSN=123. This is only visible to ZHA as a request that takes a little longer so it still "succeeds"

#

If you're not running the dev version of zigpy-znp, you'll be seeing a ton of log output so I'd upgrade to it if you want to leave debug logging enabled for a while

#

Otherwise your log file will get pretty big

mighty lava
#

Thanks a lot puddly for your troubleshooting knowledge. I will give it a shot.

austere patio
#

Anything critical will be logged as a warning so you'll likely see failures in a non-debug log

mighty lava
#

Got it

#

Also is there a way to do packet capture at coordinator level ?

austere patio
#

Not with a TI stick using the normal firmware

#

If you have SiLabs stick like the HUSBZB-1, it can do this

#

But for a TI stick you'll need to flash it with alternate firmware

#

Or buy a Nordic nRF52840 dongle for $12

#

It can be directly utilized by Wireshark as a capture source (after more firmware nonsense)

mighty lava
#

Funny, I just did migrate a couple of months ago from HUSBZB-1.

#

So tempting for the Nordic. It needs a specfic firmware then ?

austere patio
#

There's a GUI tool and everything to flash it but last I tried it throws an error message after it works, which causes you to retry flashing it and Google stuff for an hour πŸ˜†

#

It's the Nordic version of TI's UNIFLASH

#

Maybe they fixed that glitch

mighty lava
#

Sold. Never say wireshark to a network engineer πŸ˜…

austere patio
#

CC2531 is cheaper though if you don't want to pay for shipping from your country's major electronics distributor

#

And both it and the HUSBZB-1 can be piped to Wireshark, encapsulated in UDP datagrams (I think?)

#

So I'd stick with the HUSBZB-1 unless you want fancy new dongles to play with

amber gull
#

Yeah, it can be encapsulated

#

Or written straight to PCAP

mighty lava
#

Mhhh you are right, will give a shot first with the husbzb-1. Is there any doc for this encapsulation ?

amber gull
mighty lava
#

nice, thanks a lot guys

austere patio
amber gull
#

java -jar ZigBeeSniffer.jar -port /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_HubZ_Smart_Home_Controller_90F00081-if01-port0 -c 15 -baud 57600 -flow software

austere patio
#

If you're using zigpy-znp and need your network settings (which were likely randomly generated unless you switched over from zigbee2mqtt), upgrade to the dev version and look at the debug output. It'll give you everything.

amber gull
#

Yeah, APS layer is encrypted. Or you can join a device while sniffing and wire shark will learn the key

#

Can also save the key in wireshark under zigbee protocol prefs

mighty lava
#

Got it. Seems easier.

amber gull
#

It's chatty. 5 layers, 802.15.4 to zigbee

#

Two layers both ACK

mighty lava
#

I see. Should be pretty easy though to ordonate and filter with Wireshark.

amber gull
#

Yeah, you can lose the MAC ACKs. You also get multiple copies of a lot things as they go through the mesh or are sent to broadcast

#

I realized I was generating 13k frames per hour by just having an automation that tiggered every minute to five groups

mighty lava
#

Am used to the multiples copies. Usually for network tshooting, you ends too often to compare dumps from a same exchange but from different capture points.

#

wow, 13k frames per hour is a lot for this use case

amber gull
#

My evening automations was a big chunky rectangle on the wireshark io graph πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

mighty lava
#

Lol, I see exactly what you mean. Sounds like a lot of fun to me πŸ™‚

#

Is there some usefull standard documents that describes the protocol and exchanges ?

austere patio
#

There are standards and documents

#

But they're not all that useful unless you want to crack open a 600 page PDF and start reading πŸ˜†

#

The Silicon Labs application notes are pretty good

naive ivy
#

I've finally had some time to poke at the quirk for my A19RGBW bulbs, and I think I almost know what I'm doing. But would anyone happen to know where I can find a definition for the ZCL ColorCapabilities bitfield? 'Color' cluster, attribute 0x400a?

mighty lava
#

thanks for the advice. usually with some keyworks or specific messages, you can find pretty quickly what you want to check. Agree that readings it all would surely take a lot of time puddly.

naive ivy
#

Oh wait I think I found it

austere patio
amber gull
#

And that's good reading ^

naive ivy
#

Oh yeah, I love/hate that document πŸ™‚

mighty lava
#

Yup, did started with nxp also when I tried to understand why my Sinope where not yet supported by ZHA πŸ™‚

amber gull
#

it's amazing how crazy some of the device manufacturers can get with their implementation

#

Aqara sends battery voltage on a analog input cluster. Instead of the one you know that's actually designed for power configuration

mighty lava
amber gull
#

Konke sends multiple integer values on a cluster that is only Boolean πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

naive ivy
#

I guess the manufacturers don't wanna read through all those specifications any more than I do πŸ˜„

amber gull
#

Lol

mighty lava
#

almost sure lol

austere patio
#

I swear they printed out the spec and just threw like 10 darts to decide what parts to implement

amber gull
#

Zigbee 3.0 was supposed to help but the certification is not too exacting at the protocol/cluster level

naive ivy
#

aw crap I broke it

mighty lava
#

Have a good one guys, will play this w-e with this sniffer. Thanks again. Really appreciated.

naive ivy
#

ok I fixed it, and ZHA shows the new value for the color_capabilities cluster, but Home Assistant doesn't show the effect. Probably Home Assistant doesn't know about the change?

#

Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree entirely since I just noticed my Osram RGBW bulbs don't even report a value for color_capabilities, yet work just fine. I guess I better study the code some more before I really break something

meager vortex
#

Anyone find that the new ZHA "Zoom to device" option feels a bit rushed in that it should be filtering for devices by the integration?

#

Maybe rushed isn't the best descriptor

#

Silly, let's go with silly

weary rover
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Hey guys is this the right place to ask this? I am running the latest version of HA (feb 2020). I have a deconz conbee II stick but running this using ZHA. All my devices connect and are running OK. I am trying to pair a ZigBee CC2530 + CC2592 Long Range Router as I have a few outdoor things. https://shop.codm.de/bundles/zigbee/router/25/zigbee-cc2530-cc2592-long-range-router-bundle-9cm/2.5dbi?c=7 I have two. Neither will pair despite the light sequences suggesting they are in the pairing mode. It simply does complete the interview. I have looked in the logs but nothing stands out. Any help would muchly be appreciated πŸ˜€

fresh citrus
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I have paired IKEA Fyrtur with my ConBee II stick (using Deconz). In HA the UP arrow for the blind is greyed out. I've tried repair and pair directly to the ConBee II stick but no luck. Any tips?

ivory hound
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@fresh citrus don't use deconz πŸ™‚ my tip

jolly narwhal
last garden
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Why? And what do you recommend?

fresh citrus
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Anyone with actual not retarded input?

violet dagger
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go to deconz discord

ivory hound
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@fresh citrus that is not nice, i recommend zigbee2mqtt or ZHA

fresh citrus
fresh citrus
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I've got like 80 devices so moving to ZHA would be a pain. Maybe in the future though.

violet dagger
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i also say don't use it πŸ˜„

ivory hound
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ZHA works very well is the most simple to set up tbh πŸ™‚

violet dagger
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simple to set up, difficult to use πŸ˜„

ivory hound
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why? i have it i use it

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works very well and is simple

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what is so difficult to use on ZHA?

fresh citrus
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I need all of my devices to work with ZHA. I've got a bunch of different ones.TrΓ₯dfri bulbs, Hue bulbs, Aqara sensors and switches, Deltaco plugs, Osram led lists etc etc.

jolly narwhal
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Zigbee2mqtt yes

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Everything works there, even stuff that isn't officially supported you can just add yourself

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I run a mesh of namron, hue, gledopto, tradfri, Xiaomi with around 100 devices now

fresh citrus
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So ease of use. ZHA or Zigbee2mqtt?

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If i replace Deconz i want to remove the Deconz docker and not add a something new. ZHA is the ConBee stick directly to HA right?

jolly narwhal
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Yes, zigbee2mqtt is decoupled

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Unless you run add-ons no

fresh citrus
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I dont, but maybe worth looking into both anyway.

jolly narwhal
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Not all implementations support all coordinator sticks

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So it might be hard to try both

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Depending on the hardware you have

final pivot
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I tried Z2M last week it looked cool but then ran into issues I did not see on ZHA with lag so gave up and went back to ZHA, sometimes its best to stick to what works for you

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My requirements on devices are not that niche, so whatever I buy is always popular enough to work on all 3 platforms

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I have used all three, and I find that each one has its pro's and con's, none of them are ahead of the rest, it depends on a few factors on which when is best ''for you''

dry fossil
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Lag? On Z2M? Is your MQTT broker on the moon?

jolly narwhal
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Also, RAM issues? What the

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Oh, I read ram, not ran

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Also, there is no lag here at all, has never been, so that is probably down to whatever hardware you are running or network issues, because as I've said in the past, all my sensors and lights are on before I finish opening doors

fresh citrus
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So why ZHA instead of Deconz then?

dry fossil
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Because ZHA works 🀣

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Your options are basically ZHA if you want the easy route with everything bundled with HA or Z2M if you want it decoupled so you can update one without messing with the other.

fresh citrus
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So does Deconz, atleast for me πŸ™‚. First issue now with the blinds.

dry fossil
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If you follow this chat, you'll see a pattern:
ZHA users come here for help adding new devices
Z2M users come here for help adding new devices
deCONZ users come here crying that they can't get USB passthrough working

fresh citrus
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I run HA in a docker in Unraid. Can i use ZHA directly in it? Or does it require the standalone whatever name HA it is?

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Never har an issue with the passthrough either. But i get your point.

dry fossil
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@frail oracle knows this is true. He handles all these issues on the deCONZ server πŸ˜„

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(no puke faces please)

jolly narwhal
fresh citrus
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Read on some issues with groups in ZHA (clusters?). Maybe that works better now?

Honestly, is there a reason not to move from Deconz to ZHA?

jolly narwhal
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Or z2m smart catKISS

fresh citrus
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Not an option for me πŸ™‚

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Maybe i will order another Conbee stick so i can make the transfer easy.

dry fossil
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I'm curious why it's not an option. If you can run deCONZ, why not Z2M?

fresh citrus
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Reason for leaving Deconz for ZHA is to get rid of another step and potential issue.

jolly narwhal
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Decoupling

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If your ha host dies so does zha, easily spin up ha on another host and your zigbee2mqtt still lives

fresh citrus
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Or Deconz in this case. I have run HA for years and it worked perfectly so thats not an issue.

dry fossil
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So why move?

fresh citrus
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Only concern is the devices. They have to work with ZHA.

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As i said. Get rid of another step and potential problem πŸ™‚. Everything in HA.

dry fossil
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Cool. One point of failure to bring down everything. Your choice.

fresh citrus
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Instead of two. Yeah i know. I consolidated my VMware cluster for one single host instead. Time, effort, cost etc. In this case i prefer to have all eggs in that basket.

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IF ZHA works that is.

dry fossil
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Not instead of two 🀦

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You have a setup where only part of a system falls instead of it being catastrophic. I'll never get why people think consolidating is an improvement.

fresh citrus
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Depends on your situation.

gentle fern
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Hi all. Any recommendation on how long I should wait for my Tradfri bulb to show up in the debug logs (trying to pair) before I reset it again?

fervent tiger
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Hmmm, just received my USB Zigbee stick from slae.sh. I run VM on OSX. enabled VM to use the USB stick. When I use HA command line and list hardware it's listed as dev/serial/by-id/usb_Silicon_lab_blablabla. Is this correct, or should it be dev/usb/xxxxx? How to proceed?

fresh citrus
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Physical space, resources etc.

jolly narwhal
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@fervent tiger yes, and following the docs for your zigbee integration

final pivot
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Deconz with Hue Essentials is really nice

fervent tiger
lime locust
jolly narwhal
final pivot
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Decoupling is a good reason to use Z2M but when I have less then 20 devices, resetting it up really doesn't take much time, understandable for bigger deployments

jolly narwhal
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Eh, last time I repaired I used 20-25 minutes for 80+ devices

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When I moved from the cc2531 to the cc1352p2

final pivot
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See not bad and in a way fun

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I personally am always swapping and can't make things reliable (tinkering to much) so bulbs stay on phillips hue

fresh citrus
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How do you manage to do 80 devices in 25 minutes?

jolly narwhal
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Each device takes 10 seconds ?