zigbee-archived

[heady sleet]

These are areas I don't want/need to spend on actual smart bulbs, just being able to control the switch is fine. I don't want a new switch though, want to just stick a relay behind

although I guess if I'm going through the hassle of wiring in a relay I could just get a switch if the price is comparable.

And then on top of that, one of the switches controls a set of lights that is also controlled by another switch elsewhere (like a hallway light)

[forest cobalt]

Shelly relays. They're WiFi, but solid and work very well. IIRC, a few of them also work with 3-way setups.

[vestal kelp]

Zigbee is driving me mad. Switched away from a PI as it kept crashing. Using a Virtual Machine on a PC now.

Using: SONOFF Universal Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus Gateway with Antenna for Home Assistant, IoBroker, Zigbee2MQTT

PC recognises it. VM recognises it but nothing in hardware on HA.

Any ideas?

[hushed cosmos]

Question: If I have 2 skyconnects, can I use 1 for z2m and 1 for zha?

[forest cobalt]

You can, but why?

[hushed cosmos]

Well I have devices that don't work with z2m and some that don't with zha.

[forest cobalt]

Huh, interesting. I’ve heard of devices not working with ZHA, but Z2M usually supports everything. But, fair enough. Just make sure you watch the interference and channels.

[hushed cosmos]

Is there an order of operations with installation?

[forest cobalt]

Not really. Since you have two coordinators, you can install them in any order.

[uneven wigeon]

Hey! Our sensors communicate via WIFI.

Hey! Our MTR-1 uses the same LD2450 as Screeks/EPL and can track up to 3 targets. It should be similar in price and we are based and ship from the USA. We are happy to answer any questions. Thanks!

[limpid light]

Fair enough, I didn't investigate fully I only looked at the linked product

[uneven wigeon]

Yeah, the MSR-2 uses the LD2410B and tracks 1 target. All of our sensors connect via WIFI. Just realized this was the Zigbee channel. Oops. Haha! We would love to use the ESP32-C6 when it is fully supported so we can offer Zigbee.

[scenic perch]

Hi, Im new to HA and I just got my sonoff dongle and wondering which type of radio type I should install.

[plain iris]

it seems that the innr smart plug does not handle the burst of messages that the aqara leak sensor sends when is going from wet to dry...

these things are toys... hoped in something better but these things are completely unreliable...

no worth spending time on them

[sour shadow]

Hi, Im new to HA and I just got my

Weird, all my leak sensors are connected via innr plugs, all work as expected

Sounds like you've got deeper issues

[short granite]

Hello guys I've been using an old Sonoff Zigbee Bridge (https://sonoff.tech/product/gateway-and-sensors/zbbridge/) over tcp serial with tasmota, coordinator firmware 7.4 and ember driver just fine for some time now.

I bought a new Sonoff Zigbee Bridge Pro (for my parent's house) and I saw that I should use this with the zstack driver, is this correct?

My zigbee2mqtt instance errors with these logs:

Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         z2m: Logging to console
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         z2m: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.38.0 (commit #fe048e6)
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         z2m: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.49.2)
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         zh:zstack:znp: Opening TCP socket with 192.168.4.100:8888
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         zh:zstack:znp: Socket connected
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         zh:zstack:znp: Socket ready
Jun 21 09:46:54 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:54] info:         zh:zstack:znp: Writing CC2530/CC2531 skip bootloader payload
Jun 21 09:46:55 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:46:55] info:         zh:zstack:znp: Skip bootloader for CC2652/CC1352
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:47:13] error:         z2m: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:47:13] error:         z2m: Failed to start zigbee
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:47:13] error:         z2m: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:47:13] error:         z2m: Exiting...
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]: [2024-06-21 12:47:13] error:         z2m: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]:     at ZStackAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/zStackAdapter.ts:101:27)
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]:     at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:127:29)
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]:     at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:62:27)
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]:     at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:109:27)
Jun 21 09:47:13 test iot-zigbee2mqtt[13796]:     at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

[forest cobalt]

A couple things. Restart the Sonoff and then restart Z2M. I get this occasionally with my cooordinator as well. Also, make sure you can get to that IP address. Usually that means that Z2M caannot communicate with the coordinator (not always because of driver issues).

[short granite]

@forest cobalt I already did exactly these steps, I restarted the sonoff zigbee bridge device, then started again the zigbee2mqtt, still the same problem. I can for sure reach the sonoff tasmota page, so it isn't a network issue

[forest cobalt]

Looks like it's related to this: https://github.com/arendst/Tasmota/discussions/17998

[short granite]

hmm it seems like its EXACTLY my issue, let me check the comments

can confirm that I just tried the proposed solution in the discussion and it seems to be working

Thank you very much

[forest cobalt]

Awesome! Happy to help 🙂

[plain iris]

running a innr wall plug with latest firmware as a router with an aqara device on top.

as soon as I pair the device it appears to work well... after some hours. the wall plug became completely unresponsive and I loose the messages from the connected device.

😦

[forest cobalt]

That's odd. Innr is usually pretty solid. How far is it from the coordinator? Have you isolated any interference from your coordinator and surrounding devices?

[plain iris]

yes I have done it

it's at 4 meters from the coordinator without any interference

[forest cobalt]

Might just be a faulty plug, tbh. I'm assuming you don't see this on other devices?

[main ruin]

hey people, ive just set up a fresh ikea vindstyrka but the temperature readout seems to be wildly inaccurate
ie it shows about 4* more than an aquara h&t sitting right next to it

i dont think this is to be expected, or do i need to remove some tape somewhere which ive not seen yet

[grim igloo]

maybe it just needs to equalize a bit how long has it been on?

[forest cobalt]

Also, Z2M or ZHA? I'm not sure if ZHA has the temp calibration available, but Z2M does.

[main ruin]

its been around half an hour since ive turned it on. using zha

[grim igloo]

i'd give it more time before chasing it down tbh

could be that one sensor is more accurate than the other and this is the proof tho

need a third sensor as a tie breaker 😛

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, my Aqara T/H sensor is almost 2 degrees warmer than my Ikea one is. So, might need to be calibrated as well.

(In the same room about 3 feet from each other)

[grim igloo]

i still swear by the $5 xaiomi bt ones with a cute lil screen

you can customize the face https://github.com/pvvx/ATC_MiThermometer

[forest cobalt]

I don't wanna run BT. My poor 2.4ghz is already saturated enough. lol

[main ruin]

Just gotta remember the right is from the bathroom to not mix them jp

[grim igloo]

i havent kept up with if you should still not do it, but someone wrote a driver and tehy can be converted to zigbee and cost $5 and have a nice screen

i've been happy with them for their intended purpose (collect info i'll rarely use)

[main ruin]

i had the wrong sensor on the dashboard

that explains it, so 27 it is

even tho that resolution is sketchy

[grim igloo]

i kindly request sane entity names

way too much hex going on

[main ruin]

they are sane

its the ieee of the device

[grim igloo]

https://tenor.com/3xVE.gif

"kitchen temperature" ❤️

[main ruin]

can move them around without renaming

everything thats on the dash gets a friendly name alias

[grim igloo]

im not picturing that

[main ruin]

they have unique names so i can figure out what they are but not where they should be

[grim igloo]

so you rename each friendly name instead of just renaming device and changing all entity names?

way more work right?

[main ruin]

No I just rename them on the dashboard

The only thing where I don't try to apply this is lamps connected to the hue hub

Voice control gets slightly difficult

[broken slate]

Hi,
I added few 2 gang switches via z2m some cannot control L1 and L2 seperately they both come on and off together

Any suggestion

[forest cobalt]

What kind of switches? Aqara?

[broken slate]

Tuya ts0002

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, no clue on those... did you perhaps group them in Z2M? Or maybe a group in HA?

[broken slate]

I readded it via different router and now it works

Very strange

[forest cobalt]

That's Tuya for ya... lol But, glad you figured it out because I was on the struggle bus

[cobalt dew]

I have a handful of aqara zigbee sensors, Ive swapped battery in them but they are still flatlined in HA. New sensors join and work fine, just my 12 old ones do not. How can I fix this ?

[jovial lion]

First off what Zigbee integration are you using in HA?

[cobalt dew]

zigbee2mqtt

[jovial lion]

So the devices show in the list but show a 0 LQI?

[forest cobalt]

Delete them from Z2M, Then, in Z2M, allow pairing to the routing device that is closest to the sensors. Then re-pair the sensors.

[cobalt dew]

No they show a flatline at verious temps that sounds drastic.... so my dfashbords will all break?

[forest cobalt]

Not if you rename the same.

[cobalt dew]

"allow pairing to the routing device that is closest to the sensors" how is that done?

[forest cobalt]

Dashboards use entities. If you have automations that use device triggers and/or actions, those will break.

[cobalt dew]

I do

[forest cobalt]

In Z2M, at the top of the page is the Permit join (all) button with a drop down arrow to the right of it. Drop that arrow down and choose the routing device that is closest to the sensor.

[cobalt dew]

heating on timers

ah thanks

[forest cobalt]

You'll need to fix those. BUT, if you change them over to entity state triggers, you'll be MUCH better off. Device triggers and actions suck and this is why.

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/why-and-how-to-avoid-device-ids-in-automations-and-scripts/605517 @cobalt dew

[grim igloo]

remember you can have him factory reset the device then click the reconfigure button instead of delete/add back

[cobalt dew]

I tried one its not re-joining

[grim igloo]

keep pressing the button every second until it finishes pairing

[cobalt dew]

how is a factory reset done?

ok will try

[grim igloo]

like initiate pairing where it starts blinking then click click click until it joins

[forest cobalt]

True, but in my own experience, that rarely works when changing the routing parent. IIt's been hit and miss since like 1.36.x of Z2M for me.

[grim igloo]

his mesh is basically non existent if i remember correctly

[forest cobalt]

Ah, fair.

[cobalt dew]

its only small, tgube's co-ord and 3 sonoffs, they look meshed

sensor wont join

😦

oh wait it has

[grim igloo]

oh right you're using cc2652p sonoff dongles flashes to router firmware right?

you crazy animal

[cobalt dew]

as repeaters, yes

[grim igloo]

yea router firmware

they are either coordinators or routers (to repeat)

[cobalt dew]

tube's in the centre of the house and a triangle around it

3 are routers

[grim igloo]

so it did join?

[cobalt dew]

maybe....

it appears to be there but no readings HA still says 21C and its winter here...

[forest cobalt]

Climate change

Did you delete from Z2M or reconfigure?

[cobalt dew]

delete

[forest cobalt]

Are these the Aqara T/H sensors?

[cobalt dew]

yes

[forest cobalt]

Ok, in Z2M, in the top toolbar, go to Logs. You want Show Only to be all and Log Level Info.

Then, on the sensor, click the button a couple of times and (as weird as it sounds) try blowing some warm breath into the sensor and see if it pops up a humidity change in the logs.

[cobalt dew]

log is empty

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, with the small amount of devices you have, that's not surprising.

[cobalt dew]

ok got sensor9 but that is flat lined also

[forest cobalt]

But, if it registers in the logs, that means that the sensor is reporting.

So, nothing in the Z2M logs?

[cobalt dew]

brb

info 2024-06-21 22:10:10MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Aqara-temp5-kitchen', payload '{"battery":null,"humidity":null,"linkquality":40,"pressure":null,"temperature":14.44,"voltage":null}'
info 2024-06-21 22:10:10MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Aqara-temp5-kitchen', payload '{"battery":null,"humidity":78.62,"linkquality":43,"pressure":null,"temperature":14.44,"voltage":null}'

so it see's heat and humidity

[forest cobalt]

Yup. Ok. Progress!

[grim igloo]

50% success very nice

[forest cobalt]

What versions of HA and Z2M are you on?

[cobalt dew]

18C to 18.59C there is a toaster under it

Latest I patched last night

ah there is a core update to 2024.6.4

So I am on info 2024-06-21 22:10:10MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Aqara-temp5-kitchen', payload '{"battery":null,"humidity":null,"linkquality":40,"pressure":null,"temperature":14.44,"voltage":null}'
info 2024-06-21 22:10:10MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Aqara-temp5-kitchen', payload '{"battery":null,"humidity":78.62,"linkquality":43,"pressure":null,"temperature":14.44,"voltage":null}'

oops

Core 2024.6.3
Supervisor 2024.06.0
Operating System 12.4
Frontend 20240610.1

Zigbee2MQTT version
1.38.0 commit: unknown

[forest cobalt]

Alright... let's see if HA is actually seeing the change... take a look at Aqara-temp5-kitchen in HA, specifically the humidity entity and look at the history for it. You should see that small spike of humidity.

[forest cobalt]

Don't worry about that for now.

[cobalt dew]

logs show temp increase which isnt showing in the graph

humidity is still 51%

no change

[forest cobalt]

I'm assuming you are talking about a graph on the dashboard?

[cobalt dew]

yes

[forest cobalt]

What graph is it?

[cobalt dew]

Ah its not changed

now

very slow to update

[forest cobalt]

Wait... the logs show the update but the dashboard isn't?

Oh. ok.

[cobalt dew]

it is now I think

[forest cobalt]

Got it.

Ok... so, then success?

1 down, 11 more to go? lol

[cobalt dew]

Let's let it run for say 2 hours and I will look when back

TY for your help 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, the T/H sensors don't update often, but you can kinda force an update by clicking the button or using the breath trick.

No problem 🙂

[cobalt dew]

17 sensors will take a whil but at least not 100s

[forest cobalt]

Been there, done that. I feel the pain of 100s. lol

[cobalt dew]

going to be fun finding 3 I cant remember where I put them 😦

[cobalt dew]

graph looks OK

TY

[forest cobalt]

[grim igloo]

you're welcome

[cobalt dew]

Hmmm second sensor wont come back 😦 So simply re-joining isnt cutting it, it seems.

Ill try a reset but I need mor 3032s

[red basin]

any one have a good suggestion for a camera for inside the hour with night vision (pet cam) and with motion sensor built in

[thorny kelp]

hello, i keep getting this error when starting up z2m : z2m: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms) at ZStackAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/zStackAdapter.ts:101:27) at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:127:29) at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:62:27) at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:109:27) at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

going to the official website and other places provided no help. im using the smlight szlb-07, which comes pre flashed ready to use with either zha or z2m

[forest cobalt]

Ask in #cameras-archived

[red basin]

Okay

[spice gyro]

Does anyone know how to override the contact sensor type from door to window with using Z2M? (Similar to how you can change a switch to a light) in the Z2M configuration.yaml?

[grim igloo]

why not inside home assistant?

https://imgur.com/a/x2GD0aD here you can change to all sorts of things

[ember moth]

So what other brands do you recommend?

I’m only making my room smart so I don’t need a lot of stuff yet

[grim igloo]

that's what they all say

[grim igloo]

strictly buying only from aliexpress?

[ember moth]

I want a Ir blaster for my Mitsubishi ac, z2m usb adaptor for ha, a presence sensor and maybe smart blinds

[ember moth]

Nope, but preferably cheaper

I’m in Singapore so I prefer shenzhen though as it’s right there lol

[grim igloo]

well for mmwave i'm not sure there is a good zigbee one that doesnt spam the network

or do you just mean a PIR sensor like regular motion

[ember moth]

I meant the mmWave kind

[grim igloo]

to start out with i'd go PIR and then presence (mmwave) if you need it later

just avoid anything tuya on alie

aqara is decent, sonoff end devices are not decent but the dongles are okay

[ember moth]

Yep I found that out already haha

So is there any better brands

All I have rn is shit from ikea

[grim igloo]

not from alie

hue is gold standard for zigbee but it's pretty expensive

like a $20 ikea rgbw bulb is $40-70 hue

[ember moth]

ouch

[grim igloo]

i just use led strips for color and do white / white with color temp (hue ambiance) bulbs

[ember moth]

I have ikeas ceiling light with a zig bee bulb

[grim igloo]

you can use all your ikea stuff on your zigbee mesh

[ember moth]

And now all I want is to be able to control my ac and to also connect it to ha on my server

[ember moth]

Yea

[grim igloo]

and they will act as repeaters for your mesh (the mains powered devices like your bulb)

but you cant kill power to that bulb it needs power to work and act as a repeater

[grim igloo]

you gotta remove it from their "hub" tho

[ember moth]

yea I’m still leaving the switches though in case my server dies or something

[ember moth]

Didn’t buy their hub, was planning on directly connecting it to ha

[grim igloo]

ah okay perfect

[grim igloo]

best option is combine with smart switches and "bind" them

[ember moth]

can the ikea bulbs connect to both the switch and ha?

[grim igloo]

zigbee bulb (if it supports it, i think ikea bulbs do not but i am not positive) and zigbee switch "bound" using zigbee binding which allows you to like.. make the up or down paddle work even without home assistant

but then you cant override that "binding" so if you made a home assistant automation it would still do w/e the bind is doing too on a single press (just an example)

[grim igloo]

huh

[ember moth]

I don’t think I need that I’m planning to just hook it up to a traditional switch and just leave it turned on

[grim igloo]

no worries

[ember moth]

Then use ha to turn them off

[grim igloo]

just tape the switch or something so it stays on

[ember moth]

Yea

So right now I’m just trying to find a ir blaster a dongle and maybe a presence or motion sensor

I afraid the motion sensor would not detect me though

[grim igloo]

they make little 3d printed or molded adapter things that let you put a battery powered "remote dimmer switch" over top of an old switch too

[ember moth]

Im

[ember moth]

Yea I got one of those because it came with the ikea smart plug

[grim igloo]

kewl

[ember moth]

Im planning on having a hands free experience, like it turns on when I walk in the room and it dims / brightens in the day / night

Then the only thing I’ll control is maybe my ac

[grim igloo]

well

i think you might prefer something like the mtr-1 presence sensor (wifi) plus some zigbee stuff then 😛

[ember moth]

I’ll check it out

Thanks!

But how does wifi stuff connect to ha?

[grim igloo]

over wifi 😛

[ember moth]

Because my server is only ethernet

[grim igloo]

is it on the same subnet?

[ember moth]

Yea

[grim igloo]

yolo

[ember moth]

So does ha ping the devices Ip or something

[grim igloo]

home assistant magically finds stuff using mdns like this https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ssdp/ and https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/upnp/

[ember moth]

Oh neat

[grim igloo]

https://apolloautomation.com/products/mtr-1 you'd setup zones like "bed, desk, door" or something

[ember moth]

It’s a bit pricey though

[grim igloo]

it's based on open source sensor you can make your own

[ember moth]

oh cool

[grim igloo]

anyways outside of scope of #zigbee-archived if you want to learn more let's move to #diy-archived for that or #hardware-archived for just general hardware stuff

[ember moth]

Anyway I just want to try this out first, if it’s good then I’ll maybe invest a bit more

So maybe I’ll just skip the presence sensor and just control it using my phone or something

Now all I need is a zigbee adaptor and a ir blaster for my ac

[ashen bluff]

Do you mean enabling the entity?

I doubt that has any relation to the device sending data.

[thorny dragon]

Bestcon RM4C Mini Universal IR... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085WYQ1XM

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/broadlink/

[fallen forum]

is there any good alternative to this? https://www.amazon.com/XENON-Protector-Individually-Controlled-Compatible/dp/B0CNVFP8VT I'd really like 4 separately switched AC outlets as well as the USB switched, like this has, but apparently everybody hates tuya

[ashen bluff]

I don't.

[nova pewter]

Tuya ZB door contact reports being open when it is closed. Seems it can't respond fast enough to rapid state changes. Any Z2MQTT setting that I should look at ?

[forest cobalt]

Not really. It’s a Tuya product, so there’s not really a lot that can be done with it.

[opaque pike]

can anyone steer me in the right direction for troubleshooting? i have a few PTM 215Z that stopped working in Z2M and im having trouble with the new logfile style. I used to look at the live log and search for my devices but the one i pull from the z2m directory is really confusing

any hints on how to approach this?

[spare thunder]

Has anyone has any luck with presence sensors? I’ve tried SONOFF and Tuya, both seem never stop detecting presence. They sense presence well, but then never detect when there it no longer presence.

[soft mirage]

Anyone who is familiar how to use Z2M External Coverters in HASS/z2m HA Addon?

When I try to Submit the converter in Z2M UI I get an error message, and I can't find anything about this.

Request 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/options' failed with error: 'external_converters must be array'

The converter: https://github.com/somlioy/amina_s

HA 2024.6.3
Zigbee2MQTT addon 1.38.0-1

ZB Adapter, SLZB-06P7 (LAN connection)

First I tried to add the converter in configuration.yaml located in homeassistant/zibee2mqtt folder.

Next attempt was to addit the addon settings (I have no idea if this is refering to the same config file)
`data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt
socat:
enabled: false
master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777
slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5
options: "-d -d"
log: false
mqtt: {}
serial:
port: tcp://xxxxxxxxxx:6638
baudrate: 115200
adapter: zstack
external_converters:

• amina_s.js`

and is it correct that the data_path folder is different from the configuration-yaml folder??

[grim igloo]

@forest cobalt how long does z2m take for your "map" to load?

mine is definitely 1-2min

[forest cobalt]

About the same. 1-3 mins. Never faster than that.

[grim igloo]

zwaves is so fast like 1 second and it's drawn each time with live data iirc

i go to show a comparison and i'm like cool let me go make a coffee

[molten linden]

It is probably querying the devices to generate the map. Ie it’s not pre generated

[forest cobalt]

lmao yeah, same. But, I rarely use the map at all.

[molten linden]

This takes time

[grim igloo]

i think it's a bigger difference about how the zwave controller can fully control what routes a device takes in both directions

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, and my Hue playbars and GLEDOPTO floods don’t report LQI on demand. So, it sits there until the LQI request times out.

[grim igloo]

while i believe zigbee the device itself gets the final say

and therefore known routes cant be mapped as efficiently as fast

[forest cobalt]

Zwave def has that advantage. I just hate the prices of devices. lol

[grim igloo]

$20-30 per light switch vs $50-60 inovelli blue

[forest cobalt]

Yup. Plus the size of zwave devices compared to zigbee. Like the Aqara sensors are TINY compared to some equivalent with zwave.

[grim igloo]

No I mean my zwave light switches are half the cost of my only zigbee alternative worth buying

In general I think zwave sensors are worse in most use cases but usually cuz of battery life

[fallen forum]

The piezo alarm in the 3R water sensor is too loud

[fallen forum]

Only the light switches are flipped like this. Everything else zwave is twice as much

In the us at least

[muted meteor]

Anyone else with an Aqara T1M has had the issues with it turning on randomly and managed to solve it?

[remote patio]

I take it you can't just switch out an existing zigbee usb device for a skyconnect and expect anything to work (including device detection) on z2m?

[sour shadow]

I take it you can't just switch out an

[odd mango]

my Z2M log is 130MB... how do I limit this to several kB?

insettings is set to rotate and level set to warning

[unborn kayak]

Assuming it's using logrotate, there's probably an attribute for the logrotate args in the integration's config file (I think those are usually in <config dir>/.storage?) That's also assuming it's not exposed somewhere in the UI (maybe try advanced mode? But I haven't found much documentation on that myself)

Has anybody with no neutrals in their switch receptacle boxes and low standby power consumption for the connected smart bulbs had success with smart relays?

I'm trying inovelli blue switches, but they're not working with hue bulbs even after I installed the bypass that was recommended on inovelli's site.

I'm specifically wondering about zigbee smart relays that don't require a neutral and play nice with ZHA.

[sour shadow]

1. integrations don't use logrotate
2. Zigbee2MQTT isn't an integration
3. Z2M doesn't use logrotate either

[analog shuttle]

Im having issues with my sonoff stick and zigbee2mqtt config... im having the following error

[2024-06-24 14:19:09] info: z2m: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.38.0 (commit #unknown)
[2024-06-24 14:19:09] info: z2m: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.49.2)
[2024-06-24 14:19:11] error: z2m: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
[2024-06-24 14:19:11] error: z2m: Failed to start zigbee
[2024-06-24 14:19:11] error: z2m: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
[2024-06-24 14:19:11] error: z2m: Exiting...
[2024-06-24 14:19:11] error: z2m: Error: spawn udevadm ENOENT
at Process.ChildProcess._handle.onexit (node:internal/child_process:284:19)
at onErrorNT (node:internal/child_process:477:16)
at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:82:21)

[sour shadow]

What does your Z2M config look like?

[rapid dawn]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language, and consider picking a longer expiry)
• http://pastie.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

@analog shuttle I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[sour shadow]

You forgot to tell it how to find the Zigbee stick...

[analog shuttle]

amazing! I thought id missed something. How do i resolve this?

[sour shadow]

By adding the path to it in the add-on config

https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt#installation

[odd mango]

How do I configure z2m to keep log file small?

[finite osprey]

Ikea Badring zigbee leak sensors finally available at Ikea in US. I need to replace old Centralite / Smartthings leak sensors and since Aeotec now charges ~$40 for one, the Badring is quite tempting. I use ZHA in case it matters. Anyone have feedback or an opinion on them?

[forest cobalt]

You really can't. You can turn off file based logging, but that's about it: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/logging.html

[odd mango]

Thanks

[forest cobalt]

I'm not really a fan of IKEA stuff, but I've not really heard anything horrible about the Badring. Buy one and give it a try 🙂

[finite osprey]

I checked to see whether it was fully zigbee compliant and it is indeed CSA-IOT certified for zigbee 3.0. With that said, are you still unsure? I ask because I've read about many brands making non fully compliant devices which I avoid at all costs

[forest cobalt]

IKEA is fairly good when it comes to staying with the Zigbee3.0 spec. My experience with most Ikea gear just hasn't been that good compared to other brands. This is fully imho.

It's kind of a YMMV kind of thing.

[unborn kayak]

Sonoff and Tuya devices are best avoided, but most of the rest have their pros and cons. I guess Sonoff and Tuya have low prices in their favor

[finite osprey]

I am also testing the new zigbee 3.0 compliant Aqara leak sensor available only through Home Depot for some reason and I like the long battery life (if true), and its low battery cost. A big bonus is also it being water proof so a leak won't potentially destroy it. Cost is $20 at HD. The Badring can break if water gets inside (maybe I should apply conformal coating to the PCB...) but it is only $9.

[forest cobalt]

I've got a whole rant on Tuya and why they generally suck somewhere up there ^^^ (I'm working atm, so I can't really search well). But yeah, they have low prices, but it's absolutely a you get what you pay for thing.

[unborn kayak]

Never got a Tuya device myself, but it's my understanding that some (most? all?) require integration with their cloud

[forest cobalt]

The new (and old) Aqara sensors are fantastic, imho. I don't have any of the new ones, but I do have a bunch of the older ones. Never had a problem with them at all.

[forest cobalt]

Nah, that's only for WiFi Tuya devices, of which I have 11 (). The Zigbee ones can be attached to ZHA or Z2M and remain local. But usually the build quality and knowing you are getting what you actually paid for are the problems here.

[unborn kayak]

Separate isolated subnet at least?

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, and controlled through localTuya.

[sour shadow]

The older ones are pretty well put together, the only opening has a gasket. I dropped one in a cup of water and it didn't have a problem.

[finite osprey]

@sour shadowI see the o-ring but there is an opening for the beeper (?) and there is no gasket around that so the water can get all over the insides, or so it seems without having one.

[unborn kayak]

Anybody have recommendations on zigbee smart relays? I've heard some people say that they work better when a neutral wire isn't available and standby power consumption on the connected smart bulbs is very low. Been having a lot of trouble with smart dimmers, even with bypasses installed.

[finite osprey]

@sour shadow In my response I am assuming you were referring to badring, not aqara. For aqara, yes it seems pretty well made in terms of preventing water ingress. I guess I could use Aqara where water can submerge the sensor, and badring where it is unlikely to do so.

[unborn kayak]

Thanks for mentioning conformal coatings, by the way. That might be a good idea for some devices I have near/under plants or other potential leaks.

[finite osprey]

aqara is 2x the price of badring. My Aeotec sensors are 4x the badring which is one reason, other than the CR2 battery, that I want to replace the older versions (those were actually centralite / st) with something different.

[forest cobalt]

You get what you pay for often

[unborn kayak]

@finite osprey DIY, maybe? ESPHome has some support for esp32-c6. Finding a waterproof enclosure could be a problem, but if you customized it, you could potentially run multiple wire pairs from the same MCU to cover multiple spots.

[forest cobalt]

There's a reason why brands like Tuya, Sonoff and Ikea are so cheap.

[finite osprey]

@unborn kayakJust watch out for what sensors are on the device. I don't know all the rules but sensors with openings would surely be damaged by it

[forest cobalt]

Shellies are supposed to be really good in those situations. But, they are WiFi, not Zigbee.

[unborn kayak]

@finite osprey the one I looked up after you clued me in on it seems like it's intended to be applied directly to the internals. Requires partial disassembly, but potentially worthwhile in some cases

[finite osprey]

For my HVAC pans I am working on that but since it includes lots of other sensors it is taking time to build. Whatever I buy today will go in the pans to cover that gap... I've had one of my HVAC pans fill (drain was ineffective... long story)

[unborn kayak]

@forest cobalt yeah, that's the brand somebody mentioned when I first heard of them. Saw a few zigbee options, but after bombing with inovellis, I'm trying to get more community feedback before switching those out

[unborn kayak]

Separate C6s? At $12/ea, it's not too pricey compared to things like environmental sensors.

[forest cobalt]

I will always recommend Shelly for non-neutral over any other brand (even Aqara).

[finite osprey]

No, I usually use S2 mini or the WROOM in the same small form factor. I have DC power in the attic.

[unborn kayak]

@finite osprey does the S2 work with Zigbee without a lot of fussing? I initially tried H2s, but platformio support for those isn't that straightforward to get running. Definitely not worth saving $2

[finite osprey]

yes, but conformal coating cannot be applied on components that have vent holes (in some cases you cover the holes and then apply it, then uncover)

[finite osprey]

No I use WIFI for all ESP. I would not know how to create the Zigbee "driver" to make it work in HA

[unborn kayak]

One fun idea I just had is to splice multiple leads each to the GP output and input pins you use for the leak detection. That way you only need two GPIO pins connected to the devkit/module. If water bridges any of the pairs, input gets the high signal from the output, and you can trigger an event for the leak

@finite osprey there are a couple of options for ESPHome, but it's still pretty fragmented. I'm hoping one of them will get adopted by the EH maintainers soon, but that's not looking likely since espressif isn't adding support for their new MCUs to pio

Might be different for C6, but I had to try another community member's outdated fork to get platformio to recognize the H2 via esphome

[finite osprey]

Look for rain sensor pcb, they have traces that look like 2 combs pushed together. Water between the traces would trigger any sensor. I was planning on using a single zigbee sensor under sink to capture dishwasher and kitchen sink leaks

you can do the same on your c6 (or a leak rope too would work depending on where you install it)

[unborn kayak]

I'll eventually get some leak sensors up. The PCB option you mentioned would be pretty cool for sink cabinets!

[finite osprey]

using the PCB would allow to place the sensor out of water's way

thus saving it

[unborn kayak]

Wi-Fi isn't really an option for me. Too many walls/obstacles, and my wiring is too old for it to be practical to run new wired APs.

[fallen forum]

the 3R leak sensors are pretty great

i'm trying to scroll up and figure out what we're actually talking about this morning

[unborn kayak]

Could also just use long pairs of wires. I was thinking about use cases like detecting when your drain pan was full, or detecting water accumulating in a plant saucer.

[unborn kayak]

But yeah, without reliable WiFi coverage, I'm trying to keep most of my IoT setup on zigbee

[fallen forum]

the 3R leak sensors are zigbee

[finite osprey]

Cool, I will look into them. Not a fan of the shape/design but they are out of view. They might also avoid doubts when seen on bathroom floors. A friend (jokingly) asked me if I was spying on her. Good opening for a sensor / automations tour lol

[fallen forum]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MVKNNNQ/?ie=UTF8&th=1

[unborn kayak]

@finite osprey is looking into leak sensors. I'm trying to figure out a solution for zigbee smart light control for old wiring with no neutral wiring in the switch boxes

[fallen forum]

they have nice screws that you could attach leads to and come with an "extra sensitive kit" to put the leads next to each other

they also have a piezo buzzer that is fucking loud, in case nobody with HA alerts is home

[finite osprey]

That makes it easier to connect a leak rope or rain sensor pcb

[fallen forum]

the best solution is to add neutral. are you in the US?

[unborn kayak]

@fallen forum yup. But my house has knob and tube wiring, and insulation got installed over it. Much like asbestos, the best way to deal with it is to not go poking around it

[fallen forum]

in the US at least, your house is on two phase power and they try to balance it around the box, but the neutral is common between the two phases. this means that you can just add that wire from basically any circuit

it's not usually that hard to just poke one wire through, and knob and tube especially they usually ran switches and outlets through the same wall cavities

[unborn kayak]

Yup, I installed a bypass, but the switch still shuts off in smart bulb mode when the connected bulbs are turned off. The standby power consumption--even with the bypass --is too low

[fallen forum]

did you add a dummy load?

oh, wait, do they call those bypasses now?

nm

[unborn kayak]

Hmm, maybe I can find some higher-wattage options by searching that term...

[fallen forum]

the second thing you can do, if the fixture is installed properly with a box above it in the ceiling, is to install the smart relay in that box instead of in the box behind the switch

https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-AEZW150-Bypass-Z-Wave-Dimmer/dp/B017BK1MIA this is the one I use, it works fine.

although I don't have smart switches with smart bulbs anywhere

[unborn kayak]

Got the same bypass. Doesn't work with an inovelli blue and two hue bulbs connected

Also considering the lutron MLCs and the fibaro bypass. Hopefully those will pull a bit more power

[fallen forum]

well, then I'm going back to suggesting a dumb wall switch and a smart relay in the box that the fixture hangs from

[unborn kayak]

Heh, that's the other alternative I was considering. Do you have any zigbee smart relays you'd recommend?

Good point about installing the relay in the light fixture, though. Solves the no neutral problem, though unfortunately, none of the light fixtures in the house are mounted to receptacle boxes. Just screwed straight through the drywall

[fallen forum]

for reasons beyond my control, I've gone with zwave dimmers on circuits with dumb bulbs

if it's really drywall and not plaster, then that's pretty easy to fix

i've added boxes above 4 of the ceiling fixtures in my house and I'm sure I'll end up doing the rest eventually

[unborn kayak]

I'm assuming the boxes are needed as an NEC / fire safety measure?

[fallen forum]

yeah

also they sell them with a brace that you manipulate through the box to get support from the joists on either side

this isn't exactly what I got, but similar https://www.lowes.com/pd/RACO-1-Gang-Gray-Metal-Old-Work-Ceiling-Fan-Ceiling-Electrical-Box/3127059?

I'm generally putting up heavier fixtures than the cheapskate who owned the house before us and I don't want the plaster ceiling to let go of it

[unborn kayak]

Definitely better to be safe than sorry in that regard

[brittle glade]

Hi guys, I wanted to run something by you, in case someone has heard/faced a similar behavior ...

I have 2x **SONOFF SNZB-02 **thermometers and both have worked like a charm for 1 year.

Now the external one started misbehaving & I was suspicious of humidity/water having killed it, tried replacing bats and drying it out... but nothing worked, kept losing connection, would send 1 temp update and suddenly stop & lose binding...

So, in the end I bought a new one... which I was never actually able to get a reading out of ??? Seems to be stuck at 22ºC ... tried resetting, completely removing + re-adding... but nothing 😦

[little lodge]

It gives me great pain that I'm having issues trying to find a Zig-Bee thermostat.

There used to be a few a few years ago, but it seems like it dried up. I'd go with Z-Wave if it weren't for the issues I've had for it and it's hop limit due to the place I'm installing.

[formal kestrel]

Anyone got experience with soil moist measuring probe?

I'm wondering if it can be used on grass on a daily basis

[grim igloo]

ecobee is hard to beat for thermostat

[little lodge]

Yeah, but expensive. And too showy for a light-commercial setting.

[grim igloo]

the zwave honeywell ones are popular

i think they make similar zigbee variants

[sullen shore]

Anyone else had issues with aqara motion sens not wanting to connect to the hub?

https://picsur.tumba.dev/i/058eb9bc-fc1b-496e-b217-652740309566.png

Sorry no embed perms

[forest cobalt]

Is it still working and sending motion? If it isn’t, pair it to the nearest router. But generally, if the device is working, then the map doesn’t really mean much.

[sullen shore]

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/839

I found this, and I think it worked?

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/RTCGQ11LM.html#aqara-rtcgq11lm

[forest cobalt]

Ohhhhh you mean it won’t pair at all?

[sullen shore]

So for people who are looking via the discord Search, Aqara Motion Sensor Aqara RTCGQ11LM pairing issue.

1 - Stop zigbee2mqtt
2 - Unplug the usb dongle (cc2531 in my case)
3 - Start zigbee2mqtt
4 - Press the pairing button for 4 seconds until the light flashes 3 times and then a single one.

credit to sergimola on github!

[sullen shore]

I mean, it did pair but then it didnt give any info

Abt occupancy

Just gave me the "link quality"

[forest cobalt]

Ok, so those steps are not needed at all. All you need to do is pair to the nearest routing device, not to the coordinator.

[sullen shore]

Yeah but how do I decide that?

Isnt it automatic?

https://picsur.tumba.dev/i/92c11dc4-a09f-426f-adb0-6c162066b089.png

it paired it self to the coordinator

the usb stick?

[forest cobalt]

Aqara devices don’t really like automatically pairing to the coordinator. They like pairing to a routing device and they’ll usually stay paired to that device.

[sullen shore]

Yeah but how do I decide that?

https://picsur.tumba.dev/i/fa4c73d4-1776-4a65-a31e-6adc39a5152f.png

aaaah I assume this

[forest cobalt]

Whatever routing device is closest to the Aqara device is how you decide.

No, that’s binding. Thats different.

[sullen shore]

I assume you are talking about routing the motion sens through like for example my temp and hum sensor?

So instead its connected via it, rather than directly to the USB sonoff stick

https://picsur.tumba.dev/i/6393a958-949d-419b-b0b0-15c53ec90251.png

What my bathroom lights are doing basically?

[forest cobalt]

Not exactly. So, you’d wait to pair the motion sensor with one of your bathroom light OR get another routing device (mains powered) to be close to it.

[sullen shore]

So i dont technically have a say where it pairs so to speak?

[forest cobalt]

It might stay connected to the coordinator for a bit, but generally, it’ll fall off the mesh in a little while.

Kinda you do. But Zigbee in general will pair to whatever the device determines is the best route.

[sullen shore]

Welp, the usb stick is in the same room as the motion sens

So i think it will always prefer to pair to it

[forest cobalt]

Aqara sensors are known to like pairing to a routing device and not the coordinator.

[sullen shore]

Rather than the rest of the devices that are close by

[forest cobalt]

Nope. I’ll bet you money it’ll fall off the mesh eventually. I mean, I only have 45 Aqara sensors. lol

[sullen shore]

So just do it the caveman style and go to the bathroom, start pairing process there? 🥲

[sullen shore]

holy shit, when the battery chage comes up how do you cope?!

[forest cobalt]

lol I have a schedule for that.

[sullen shore]

every 2 years I presume? 🥲

[forest cobalt]

Nope. In Z2M, where the Permit Join button is, there’s a drop down arrow. Drop it down and pick the closest routing device and begin the pairing process.

[forest cobalt]

Eh, depends on the sensor, but roughly every 6-9 months.

[finite osprey]

I purchased 4 Ikea Badring leak sensors today. If I pair them from a different room than where the coordinator is, they seem unresponsive even though setup appears to complete. If I go pair them right next to the coordinator, they work. I also believe there may be a bug in their firmware as they get stuck in 'wet' if the contact is short (not always but often). To reset them, another short and they go back to 'dry'

Anyone else see this too or know why pairing through routers doesn't appear to work well?

[rapid dawn]

@clear cradle I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[junior ridge]

I might have asked in the wrong spot asking in #installation-archived ... So I had to do a server reset on HA, and when it came back, my zigbee topology is a bit broken. I have one device that isn't linking into the mesh, and took one other device with it. How would I re-pair that device to the mesh without breaking all the tracking that I have on it?

https://imgur.com/a/Kilsada as close a view of the topology as I could get

[mellow geode]

The topology isn't live. It refreshes every 4 hours or so.

You can trigger a refresh by pressing the button on that page, then coming back 5 to 20 minutes later.

Do note that the topology won't affect your actual network state.

So, if your devices are working as expected otherwise, the topology will eventually fix itself.

[junior ridge]

Do you mean the 'refresh topology' button? I've tried that a couple times about 2 hours ago

All I can tell is HA can't see the plug, so it can't trigger any scripts, and the physical button on the plug works as intended

[junior ridge]

Unrelated question: Looking at potential switch upgrades for my sister's lighting, no smart bulbs, but new unit with recessed lighing and neutral wire electrical. Will this work for Zigbee? 98% sure it will with a SkyConnect https://amz.run/9HUx

[forest cobalt]

Yes, but Moes are just rebranded Tuya, albeit slightly better.

[junior ridge]

would you have recommendation that's not running $50 a switch?

[forest cobalt]

These are the ones I use: https://a.co/d/08KvPTqG (not $50, but not $20 either).

[junior ridge]

Upside as if it's that brand I might be able to get it cheaper elsewhere

[forest cobalt]

I have a hard rule that if it connects to my mains power, I don’t go with cheap brands I don’t trust.

[junior ridge]

I mean more that that brand is sold on AliExpress

Kind of a case of if I'm willing to wait on chipping and get it cheaper by slow boat

[forest cobalt]

Oh yeah, well Aqara is basically Xioami.

[junior ridge]

From my research it literally is. They just spun off their home assistant

[forest cobalt]

Yup, but they do make some good products.

[junior ridge]

Found that out when I was looking for a thermostat with humidity and a display, basically all I'm finding from them are ones that I can't tell for sure if they are zigbee or Bluetooth

Cuz yeah, I got more tuya temperature humidity sensors and they connect to the network and that's about it. Upgrading to a higher quality sensor is my next step with this network

[forest cobalt]

Eh, sensors I’m not quite as bad with. I still will never buy Tuya, but I’ve been known to go with a weird off brand from time to time.

[junior ridge]

I'm pretty well finished with them now that we've got the base network in place, I'll probably look at son off for the plugs

[forest cobalt]

ThirdReality plugs are really good too. And their prices are fantastic.

[ebon sail]

Hello, new here! I have HA running on a RP5 in containers and trying to connect to Sonoff Temp (SNZB-02) and door/window (SNZB-04) via ConBee2 through deCONZ. Anyway, when I fire up the Phoscon integration in HA, it shows all of the entities in the ZB-02 (batt, temp, hum). But, for the door switch (ZB-04) all that it shows iis the battery level! Like the whole point of the door switch is missing! When I download the logs from that device, I can see that the JSON is showing the door status (open/close). Also, when I log in to the Phoscon web interface, the sensor is showing the real-time status of the switch. Seems like some kind of limitation in the deCONZ integration. Anyone else run into this problem? Any way to manually update some yaml file somewhere to get the door switch status?
Thanks in advance for any pointers.

[junior ridge]

a bit chunkier than I'd like (same form factor as the Meross Wifi ones I moved away from), but either way, seeing the temp monitors there it's exactly the type I was looking for, and at the high end of the price i was looking for for zigbee

still wish i knew why i was having mesh issues with the bathroom here. it's been down for 5 hours and that was apparently before I had restarted HA

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, I kinda wish they would slim them down a bit, but as both routers and power monitors, they are great for the price. Like $30ish for 4 of them.

[forest cobalt]

Might just need to repair the devices? It happens sometimes.

[junior ridge]

I was trying to figure out the right way to do that

[forest cobalt]

As long as you aren’t using device triggers/actions 😉 and you rename the entities the same, it’s fine.

[junior ridge]

cough

[forest cobalt]

Uh huh.

[junior ridge]

luckily, I think it's just a timed on/off and the energy tracking

[forest cobalt]

Perfect time to change them over to entity state/actions.

[junior ridge]

or later when i'm comfy at home 😛

i have a lot of recoding to do anyway with the cards and all the new devices i added today

https://bityl.co/Qi4W but yeah, this hydrothermograph is exactly what i've been looking for for the grow tent and nursery. Gets us out of the Govee ecosystem too

[junior ridge]

So it seems that the zigbee radio may have gone out or something, couldn't repair, so i just put a new plug on

[forest cobalt]

Huh, odd. Not unheard of (and probably nothing to do with the radio).

[forest cobalt]

I've not used those, but most of the ThirdReality products have been pretty good. At least, I've not heard anything bad about the sensors.

[junior ridge]

yeah, I brought it home and it was able to pair into my Samsung hub. Not doing a lot with it until I get my new SkyConnect. Turned out none of the smart buttons I've gotten work, and the PIR sensor I got it just reads as a 'zigbee thing'

I want to throw that thing out the window

[forest cobalt]

Yay for Smartthings.... said no one ever lol

[junior ridge]

Apparently. I should have replacement in under a week

[forest cobalt]

Good! One of the happiest days I had in smart home stuff was tossing my smartthings hub in the bin.

[wild mortar]

I sold my hub to someone I didn't like 😆

[forest cobalt]

Damn... I didn't even think about that kind of cruelty! lol

[grim igloo]

it suffers a fate worse than death. the drawer.

[forest cobalt]

Dear Aqara, could you maybe not drop off my mesh when the power goes out so I don't have to run around and push a bunch of buttons? k, thx.

[raven jewel]

Are they paired through other routers or directly to the coordinator? I found that pairing to other routers fixed that issue.

[forest cobalt]

Oh yeah, completely through routers... BUT, my power went out for a few hours today and for whatever reason, the sensors never like to come back to their original router.

And it is only the 1st gen t/h sensors on top of that.

[raven jewel]

Ahhh, gotcha. Not a lot that can be done for those.

[forest cobalt]

Nope 😦 That was merely me venting. Love my Aqara sensors... until the power goes out. hahaha

[raven jewel]

Clearly the answer is to put all of the home automation stuff on a UPS

[forest cobalt]

I've thought long and hard about getting a whole house generator, tbh.

[raven jewel]

I have a few UPS littered around which power the key devices, including the routers those Aqara sensors run through. It seems to work.

[forest cobalt]

I have a few for UPSs for my cameras and networking equipment. Not sure how I would do it with my ThirdReality plugs though.

[finite pawn]

Are there any Zigbee door sensors that are mains-powered?

[forest cobalt]

None that I know of.

You might be able to DIY them, but that seems to be a bit overkill.

[finite pawn]

I tried using a Sonoff Zigbee Mini and just not connecting anything to the relay part... it works well enough for scenarios where I'm only concerned about state changes.

(the state of the switch and the state of the door can mismatch in some situations)

[forest cobalt]

Did you pair it directly to a routing device? Do you have a routing device close to it?

[finite pawn]

Me?

the issue is that the sensor and the actual door or whatever can mismatch if the module loses power while the door is open. When the module is plugged back in it could be in the opposite state of the door

or if somehow the switch receives a "toggle" signal

[forest cobalt]

So, if I'm understanding correctly, there is a door contact sensor and a relay and they can become out of sync? Like the door could be open but the relay could be off? Is that right?

[finite pawn]

It's a "light switch" module that I connected a mag switch to the switch input

[junior ridge]

Maybe someone would have a suggestion for an idea that I'm looking at? I just got on order a SOS zigbee button for my sister to carry around their house, and I'd like to be able to have some sort of speaker to give an alert if the button is pushed, but not a full alarm which is what I've been seeing

[raven jewel]

I have a #zwave-archived aeotec doorbell. Not Zigbee, but that idea might give you a good starting point? Or any speaker/music player you can use with TTS/media player services through #automations-archived

[junior ridge]

Yeah that might be an option down the road, but they are adamant on not having any of the traditional voice assistants so I can't just do an integration with Google's home or anything like that

Would have been really nice if we could have sent a notification to the TV because it's a Samsung Smart TV, but that does not appear to be something that HA has access to

[soft elk]

if its for health reasons and if you are diying any part of a solution here I would recommend having some kind if scheduled set up to test it frequently because the last thing you want is her to need it and something somewhere got missconfigured or broken

[junior ridge]

In this case it's more of a backup, it got a service dog that is supposed to alert, but if something happened and he missed it away to let other people know to check on them was the idea

Obviously I'd be doing regular tests since I'm down there two to three times a week and I'm handling all the programming on the server already

[deep light]

Does anyone here have Aqara H1 Switches (wired) as well as an Aqara Hub? Can you control the LED indicator on the switch?
The website claims that this is possible, but Z2M doesn't seem to have any expose for it.

[lofty kindle]

Anyone know of a workaround to get Silabs Firmware Flasher working on macOS 15?

I also tried UTM with Windows11, but it doesn't seem to work

[rancid ibex]

Hello guys, question. Anyone here can recommend a model for smart relay zigbee 4ch above with surge protection etc.

[quasi knoll]

Curious question about using Groups in zigbee2mqtt. What do you use them for? I have one group for a lamp that has 3 bulbs in it to turn it into one light, but I also have a group for my two bedroom nightstands. Are both of those acceptable use cases or would I be better served making groups for either or both directly in HA?

[carmine hamlet]

I use them whenever I want to control multiple devices in one shot instantly

creating and using an HA group for it would control each device independently, which would be much slower

[lofty kindle]

Is this the correct format for Z2M configuration.yaml file:?

serial:
  port: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITEAD_SONOFF_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_V2_20230830084902-if00
  adapter: ember```

[ashen bluff]

That looks valid to me.

[lofty kindle]

I moved from EZSP to Ember, and from rcp to ncp, now I can't get it working anymore.
Edit: Fixed the error, formatting was incorrect 🤦‍♂️

[tepid gorge]

I have a couple of SONOFF SNZB-02 temperature sensors. I notice now that four of them aren’t reporting status any more and when I look at the map in z2m they are not connected to any router. Any ideas of what is causing this and how I can mitigate it from happening?

[sour shadow]

Tried replacing the battery?

Sonoff's end devices do have a bit of a reputation for falling off the mesh though

[austere patio]

The web flasher will be a better experience but there's nothing stopping the CLI tool from working on macOS. What specific issue are you seeing?

[tepid gorge]

Not tried changing it no, they are all reporting 100% battery. So if they are falling of the mesh I assume all I can do is re-interview them?

[lucid sorrel]

Hi all, m'y z2m addons suddently refuse to start , saying that there is a missmatch between adapter state and backup, but PAN ID, Extended PAN ID, Network Key and channel are identical (according to the log) , any idea why ? (zigebee2mqtt v 1.38.0-1 Ha 2024.6.4)

tried to rename coordinator_backup.json => Error: network commissioning timed out - most likely network with the same panId or extendedPanId already exists nearby

the last change made is HA update from 2024.6.3 to 2024.6.4.

any idea ? thanks

[floral plinth]

Is there a good way to force all zigbee devices to rebuild routes or something?

Or is there a way to see which devices are Zigbee 3.0 vs 1.2 in ZHA

[lofty kindle]

Unfortunately, the web flasher wasn't working with macos 15 beta due to driver issues, so I resorted in using Securecrt, which worked out great. Everything is good now, thanks!

[sour shadow]

Not tried changing it no, they are all

Hi all, m'y z2m addons suddently refuse

[forest cobalt]

That moment when you get a random device popping up on Z2M and it won't identify itself and you haven't added any new Zigbee devices in a week.

[junior ridge]

Clearly you got your neighbor hooked on HA

[forest cobalt]

LOL Nah... not where I live. My house is the only smart house in the neighborhood. My neighbor across the street has 2 Hue bulbs and she thinks her house is "smart" 🤣

[main ruin]

any chance some of you know how to properly how to reset one of those tuya nous a1z plugs? one of mine disconnected from the mesh and i cant for the life of me get it to discover again

it does the relay switching when i press the button and it goes into the blinking status light when i keep it pressed for a while but never shows up in ha

i guess i will need to buy a couple new ones

[forest cobalt]

Hold the button on it for 5-7 seconds until it starts blinking fast.

[forest cobalt]

And stop buying Tuya

[shadow sorrel]

Does anyone know anything about the Azoula Smart home Bridge?

[main ruin]

Yea it does that but it won't connect to zha

[main ruin]

[sterile vine]

I've had no end of trouble combining the zigbee devices from two zigbee2Mqtt servers. I have an MQTT server also hosted on yet another server. This setup works for a while but then the devices from the off-LAN z2m server become unavailable. I have to copy the device configurations, remove the devices from AH and then manually post the configurations again using MQTT pub commands. Anyone got an idea as to what might be going wrong? (BTW: this is my first post)

[forest cobalt]

Hmmmm 🤔 Anything in the logs while you're trying to pair it? Did you remove it from ZHA before pairing it? That might work.

[forest cobalt]

Anything in the logs for the second Z2M server? I'm wondering if perhaps the coordinator on your second Z2M instance might be to blame here. Typically if your devices are dropping off the mesh, that's a driver/coordinator issue.

[sterile vine]

Hmm - ok - yes the mesh at the remote site does have some drop-off issues. The location is right next to three massive television towers. So - how would HA handle the situation where one of the ZB devices at the remote looses for some time but then is re-joined? When i say re-joined, I mean the z2m server/controller re-joins that device (and presumably posts to MQTT)

[main ruin]

Yea I did remove it. The logs don't show anything out of the ordinary

Or more like they also don't show a device being ready to pair

[forest cobalt]

It's probably dead then. I've seen some Tuya sensors that have done the same thing. They are in pairing mode, but the coordinator just won't see it.

[main ruin]

Welp

Well at least I'm not tossing a still good unit then

[forest cobalt]

HA will mark the device as unavailable until it's state changes again. As for the off-lan Z2M, are you sure the devices are dropping off the mesh and it's not a matter of communication between it and your MQTT server dropping out? You said "devices", which led me to think that's it's all the devices on that Z2M instance. But, if it's just some devices, then yeah, interference is probably at play there.

[forest cobalt]

hahaha it's a Tuya device. There's no such thing as a "good unit". 😉

I really wish ThirdReality was an option for you... those plugs are like little tanks when it comes to stability.

[main ruin]

I'll check it out if it's regionally available

[sterile vine]

BTW - thanks for you help. No - it is not all the devices. Some are rock-solid. Those are generally the 'Tasmota' devices that also are registered with HA. Again, it is also not all of the ZB devices. Given that I'm aware that the interference might be causing the temporary drop-outs of the ZB devices with the controller for that remote ZB network, I'm wondering what the behaviour of HA is w.r.t. to those devices being available again? Yes - this is behaviour managed by the z2m controller, but I wonder how the interaction between it and HA works in these circumstances? All I see is that the devices are reporting again to MQTT are no-longer available as devices in HA.

[forest cobalt]

HA should mark them as unavailable until their availability returns to a true state (this all happens internally). With that said, sometimes it doesn't work that way., which is what I think you're seeing. I know on my own instance, if a device does drop, it takes HA a bit to mark it as unavailable and then available again. You could probably force it to update by reconfiguring the device in Z2M. That usually works for me.

[sterile vine]

Oh dear - yes - i could do that, but given that it happens a fair bit and it is at a remote location, that is not practical to do. I'm kind-of surprised that HA is not simply able to re-read the MQTT topic published by the remote z2m which I believe has all the devices HA should care about.

[forest cobalt]

It does do that. But, sometimes (not often), the availability is difficult. For instance, a sensor that only reports on temp changes. If the temp doesn't change enough to trigger a state change, HA won't mark that as unavailable because, well, it isn't. This happens often with some of my sensors. So, I use last_seen and availability in Z2M to counter that.

[sterile vine]

All of the ZB devices i have at the remote location report something at least hourly, however, that doesn't seem to trigger availability again in HA

[forest cobalt]

Try enabling availability in Z2M and see if that helps.

[sterile vine]

Oh - Ok - I don't know of that setting. I'll look into it. Thanks very much for your help 'CiP' 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Anytime! Hope that helps. 🙂

[lofty jackal]

Is Conbee still a good interface to use

Trying to setup some Xiomii buttons and they will not connect

[sour shadow]

Good... no.

Ok... yes, mostly

You did put it on a USB extension cable?

[lofty jackal]

I did not

But the hub is right behind me

I've setup the conbee integration as default

With the ZHA integration

Unsure if I may have missed a step

[sour shadow]

Well... put it on an extension cable

[lofty jackal]

Any reason?

Poor reception?

[sour shadow]

Because of interference

[lofty jackal]

gotcha

Let me do that

[sour shadow]

Read the links in the top pinned message

Hell, read all the pinned messages, they'll teach you stuff you need to know 😉

Ah, now the second, not the top, pin

[forest cobalt]

(That should be in the rules and welcome: READ ALL THE PINS!) lol

[wicked gust]

Hi has anyone here used Zigbee2mqtt with the sonoff dongle plus e in the recent weeks and gotten things to work? I did an update recently and now nothing works. I have spent the latter part of 3 or 4 days reading all the blogs on it, updated the firmware to 3 different versions baudrates and types.

I have tried to figure out the errors. They match what others struggle with, but the solutions that worked for them didn't for me. The most recent one is "Host fatel error" as well as cannot start EZSP layer. I have used: ZSTACK, EMBER and EZSP. Double checked that I have the correct port as well as tried baudrate: 115200, 230400, 9600 etc.

ERROR:

[2024-06-26 23:34:47] error: z2m: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
[2024-06-26 23:34:47] error: z2m: Failed to start zigbee
[2024-06-26 23:34:47] error: z2m: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
[2024-06-26 23:34:47] error: z2m: Exiting...
[2024-06-26 23:34:48] error: z2m: Error: Failed to start EZSP layer with status=HOST_FATAL_ERROR.
at EmberAdapter.initEzsp (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ember/adapter/emberAdapter.ts:850:19)
at EmberAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ember/adapter/emberAdapter.ts:2683:24)
at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:127:29)
at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:62:27)
at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:109:27)
at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

[lofty jackal]

Well what do you know... following your guide worked

[sour shadow]

What firmware is on it right now?

[wicked gust]

I was using 7.4.3 to try and get things working but it was using the standard preinstalled firmware originally with no issues( can't remember exactly which one) Also, I have seen things on the need to not use router firmware vs controller (or some other C starting name) firmware, but have found little to no info on the blogs or other downloads as to what that is.
I have used the online flasher to do everything. As I didn't feel like trying to figure out SecureCRT etc and take things apart for now.
I updated the firmware to 7.4.3. different baud rates. Then tried the multipan and tried the sonoff 6.10

[sour shadow]

1. Don't use multi-pan
2. Coordinator is what you want - see the pins for an explanation on coordinator vs router

3. The baud rate in Z2M has to match the firmware you flash

4. ember only works with 7.4.x firmware

[wicked gust]

So many videos share that I need to use the coordinator software. However, it sahre for ember to work I need to use the 7.4.x etc. or any other of that type.

Do i use the launchPad coordinator or the firmware on the ZStack github which to my undrsatnding is another adapter firmware type or can I go with the 7.4.x and know that either should work. and if these "don't work" there is a different problem than from the stick itself on my system?

[sour shadow]

ZStack is for CC2652 based sticks, yours isn't

[wicked gust]

Ookay good toknow must have been the previous sonoff plus not the e then. A video I was watching shared the stick and looked the same, but was not sure it was for the plus 3

E

[sour shadow]

So, 115200 baud coordinator firmware, 7.4.x

Sadly Sonoff are a shit show

At least two different "Plus" sticks that are incompatible with each other

[wicked gust]

oh boy

[sour shadow]

At least three Zigbee 3.0 sticks

And countless others

Most of which have hardware problems

Best thing to do is flash the 115200 baud coordinator firmware, 7.4.x

if you still have problems then join the Z2M Discord where the ember dev can be found

[wicked gust]

Oh don't know why I didn't think about that thank you!

[robust fox]

Hello, i try to run back my old HA configuration, i restarted from scratch.

I own a raspberry 3b + (i will change in near futur)
and a conbee 2.

I made some test dans it's impossible to pair my aqara sensor.

I updated the conbee firmware.

In the past, it was working well with the conbee plugged on the raspberry, but i read the pinned post so i bought a usb extender cable, i will test that when i receive it.

Conbee 2 is still good enough or do i need to buy another one ?

Thanks in advance

I the past i was also using Deconz, and now i try to pass to ZHA after come reading about this

[sour shadow]

ConBee is ok, not great, but ok. Once you've plugged it into the extension cable you'll likely find it works 😉

[robust fox]

it's working now, i just change the location of the ssd nearby and it's good now

and yes ZHA is really cool

[rigid leaf]

My zigbee (z2m) thermostate is showing an unknown status, but when opening the modal, where the temperatur can be configured, it shows the current temp.
I think, it's since I upgraded to 2024.6. Is there a way to fix that?

[forest cobalt]

What does the thermostat show in Z2M?

[rigid leaf]

everything I would expect. I can't attach anything here, but local temp is there, etc.

{
    "battery": 100,
    "boost_heating": "OFF",
    "child_lock": "UNLOCK",
    "display_brightness": 7,
    "display_ontime": 10,
    "display_orientation": "normal",
    "displayed_temperature": "target",
    "linkquality": 36,
    "local_temperature": 26.8,
    "local_temperature_calibration": 0.2,
    "occupied_heating_setpoint": 5,
    "operating_mode": "pause",
    "pi_heating_demand": 0,
    "remote_temperature": 0,
    "running_state": "idle",
    "setpoint_change_source": "externally",
    "update": {
        "installed_version": 889787668,
        "latest_version": 889787668,
        "state": "idle"
    },
    "valve_adapt_process": false,
    "valve_adapt_status": "success",
    "window_detection": "OFF"
}

[forest cobalt]

If you go into developer tools > states in HA, does it show that attriibute there as well? I'm thinking that maybe the MQTT autodiscovery might be wrong.

[rigid leaf]

since my HA is in german, I don't know the english term of the second column, but it could be state. It's on unknown. Attributes is:

hvac_modes: heat
min_temp: 5
max_temp: 30
target_temp_step: 0.5
current_temperature: 26.8
temperature: 5
hvac_action: idle
friendly_name: RBSH-TRV0-ZB-EU 2
supported_features: 385

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, that column would be state. Ok, so the MQTT is correct and Z2M is correct. Can you try clearing your cache and/or trying an incognito/private browser and see if it still reports unknown. I didn't see any issues for that up on github, so it could be a bug but it might also just be a browser thing.

[rigid leaf]

I tested different browsers already and the mobile app reports the same though

[forest cobalt]

When was the last time you restarted HA (complete boot)?

[rigid leaf]

on the update to 2024.6.3 I would say

just restarted HA via developer tools

[forest cobalt]

Any change?

[rigid leaf]

no, BUT I just set the mode to heating and the state is back. The property is called system_mode in z2m. seems like it was not set and it was used by HA

now the HA state is back to 'heat'

quite interesting, thanks for your help. I never expected the issue there

[forest cobalt]

Huh... so it wasn't temp, just state?

I've seen that happen with some sensors where there's been no recent update and HA just marks them as either unknown or unavailable.

[rigid leaf]

yeah, state can be heat or off. but this thermostate doesn't support off

[forest cobalt]

But glad it's fixed.

[rigid leaf]

me too, thank you very much for your time 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Anytime! 🙂

[obtuse loom]

Grabbed one to try as well, have you been able to OTA update it? It's failing for me. The sensor itself is working well for me.

[forest cobalt]

You might need to make sure it stays awake during the whole update.

[lilac wharf]

Hmm, I don't think I've tried. I'll check now

[obtuse loom]

Yep, did that, still failing with the following error:

Images currently unavailable for device 'PARASOLL Door/Window Sensor', hardwareVersion '1', manufacturerName IKEA of Sweden, {"fieldControl":1,"manufacturerCode":4476,"imageType":12919,"fileVersion":16777241}'

There's an open issue in Github, wondering is anyone found a solution - https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/21708

[forest cobalt]

Interesting. I'm guessing IKEA might not have pushed the images up to their server? But, Z2M thinks there's an update?

[modern mirage]

Could someone reminde me how HA reports a ZHA devices firmware? I thought it was Hex but converting it to decimal doesn't give me the right number. Ex. 0x01020208

[tropic depot]

https://zigbeealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/07-5123-08-Zigbee-Cluster-Library.pdf

11.4.2.7 File Version

Here is the core issue though: Table 11-5. Recommended File Version Definition… “Recommended”

[obtuse loom]

Not sure, I think there's a bug since it shows on the IKEA site that there's newer FW version

[spark hawk]

God I am so glad that IKEA is expanding their Zigbee range. Only just paired a Parasoll sensor and already I'm much happier than the absolutely useless Sonoff I had to shove some foil in to help the battery contacts

[forest cobalt]

Definitely a You get what you pay for situation. 🙂 Do report back how the Parasoll works for you though.

[sick matrix]

Bought a USB router to extend signal but in visualizations it seems as if none of my devices are using it, how do i fix this? (cannot upload file to show screenshot in this channel)

[rapid dawn]

@sick matrix Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

[forest cobalt]

If you want to try to force devices to use that router, you can unpair them and then re-pair them directly to the router. Are you using ZHA or Z2M?

[sick matrix]

ZHA

[sick matrix]

https://imgur.com/a/1IR4esU

[forest cobalt]

Ok, so you'd go to that device in ZHA and then choose (I think) Add via this device. I don't remember the exact wording.

But, Zigbee is a self-healing protocol. So, there's no guarantee that the devices will stay on that router. Most end devices choose their own routes based upon various conditions (what they think is best).

[sick matrix]

ok, i think i did that but it didnt do anything, ill try again, but thanks, i know they tend to migrate to the 'best' path but the two dials in my bedroom have awful signal thats why i got the router

by 'unpair' you mean remove yes?

[forest cobalt]

"Awful signal" means nothing really. If the devices work, then they work. Don't worry about what the LQI/map reports unless the devices themselves aren't actually working. With that said, yes, you want more routers for sure. In my mesh, I have 107 devices. 48 of them are routing devices and the rest are end devices.

[forest cobalt]

Yup.

[sick matrix]

thanks bud

[forest cobalt]

Or, just put the device into pairing mode before you permit the join on the device.

You don't have to "remove" it from ZHA.

No problem 🙂

[spark hawk]

Paired immediately and no battery issues so certainly better than the Sonoff stuff so far

[forest cobalt]

Nice! Good to hear... A lot of Ikea's stuff is hit or miss, so knowing I can recommend the Parasoll helps. I might have to go by Ikea and pick up a couple to test here too.

[spark hawk]

Only set them up this morning but already much less painless than the Sonoff was. £9 too so pretty cheap for a Zigbee sensor

Running off AAA instead of coins is a massive plus too tbh, coin batteries are stupidly overpriced compared to a mega pack of AAA from Amazon

[forest cobalt]

Ah, ok. Yeah, I get what you're saying about the batteries. Personally, I still prefer my Aqara sensors over anything else. I have a few that have been running off the same coin batteries for well over 1.5 years and still reporting like 70% battery. But, I'm always open to trying other sensors.

[spark hawk]

Yeah I went through batteries like crazy with the Sonoff, dunno why

This was like 4m from the repeater too, the one I have upstairs is much less hassle tbf

[forest cobalt]

Because Sonoffs are just a slight step above Tuya devices? 😄

[astral seal]

Sonoff's battery devices are junk imo. Their mains powered stuff is decent.

[spark hawk]

Well, yes and no… I showed their mains relay to an electronics engineer and he said he wouldn’t let it within 50 feet of his house as it’s a fire hazard 🫣

[forest cobalt]

Some of their devices (like ceiling fan controllers) aren't too bad... but smart plugs and switches? No. Absolutely not.

[spark hawk]

The dumb thing is it’s not even the switching that’s the issue… it’s the power supply for the actual board

[forest cobalt]

Yup. The relays themselves are fine. The rest of it is utter garbage.

[grim igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIB3kWqqAzE he'd like this video

[quartz cipher]

How do those PoE zigbee coordinators work with an HA instance as a zigbee device? In other words I can see how a directly connected USB dongle is seen by HA to leverage because it's there as a device directly connected. How does HA know/able to see a random network device (poe coordinator) on your network and know it's a zigbee radio it can leverage?

[grim igloo]

A tcp connection to it

[carmine hamlet]

you have to tell it the address

such as:

serial:
  port: tcp://192.168.1.134:6638

[tall wyvern]

Any suggestions on cheap ZigBee door sensors? I got a MOES one from AliExpress, seems to work fine but it's like 15$each

[carmine hamlet]

I have a bunch of these: https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKFOVvQ

A couple didn't want to latch closed, bit overall I have no complaints

[tall wyvern]

Hahaha those are coming up 23$ for me

[forest cobalt]

I have a bunch of the Aqara door/window contact sensors. I think they around $17/each on Amazon?

[carmine hamlet]

$5.60: Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $5.60 | Tuya Zigbee 3.0 Smart Door Sensor Door Open Closed Detectors Security Protection Smart Life APP Control Via Alexa Google Home
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKPIIK8

Lots of sellers have them

[tall wyvern]

Right on thank you

[tall wyvern]

Cool I'll take a look to

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004250894161.html

This is the one I bought before, works perfectly

[tall wyvern]

Also any suggestions for presence detection? I wanted lights to turn on by themselves but I'm not sure if I need a simple PIR sensor or does it need something fancier that does human presence

[junior ridge]

Lot of people grump about Tuya here, but to date I've only had one item that failed as a result of the device (afaik) and that was just that it kept orphaning itself from the mesh

[surreal rune]

Hi, i just migrate to Skyconnect follow this guide https://connectzbt1.home-assistant.io/migrate-zigbee-zha-only/ , my old zigbee coordinator is ConbeeII , i been wait 1 hours, and seem all the zigbee devices and router are still shows unknown and cannot control the zigbee devices such as aqara switch, etc.
btw my migrate process is skip on step 11 and step 12, and its just directed to step 13 after select backup on step 10, not sure my migrate is properly done or not
anyone has similar issue?

[rigid shore]

Any UK people here with a recommendation for a relay to put into an existing light switch fitting?

I’m looking at some of the Shelly stuff also, is it worth a go?

[forest cobalt]

Shelly is top notch as long as you don't mind WiFi devices.

[woeful elk]

hmmmmmmm

so, whacky idea time...... tiny nuclear batteries are starting to become available that will do 100 microwatts for ~20-50 years.

I wonder if that could keep a capacitor charged for a zigbee sensor.

mid-next year, they're expecting a 1W version which would certainly cover a zigbee sensor

[forest cobalt]

That just sounds scary... wacky, sure... radiation poisoning? Why not? lol

[woeful elk]

nah - these things are tiny and sealed units.

nuclear shit is pretty safe.....

ie you're not worried about the radioactive stuff in your smoke detectors..... so you'll be fine here

[forest cobalt]

lol you say that... if I grow extra limbs or whatever, I'm blaming you specifically.

[woeful elk]

😄

[tall wyvern]

Got a link to one of these batteries?

[arctic sequoia]

https://www.eevblog.com/2024/01/28/eevblog-1595-50-year-chinese-nuclear-diamond-battery/

few links here

[royal star]

I have some zigbee sensors/buttons still working >4 years later off the original 2032... really surprising how low consumption they are

[winged sleet]

Those batteries have a tiny amount of material in them, you aren't going to grow an extra arm. I think if you were swimming in 10,000 of them you might get a radiation burn 🙂

[forest cobalt]

You say that... An extra arm or three would be kinda nice though. I could get rid of my Helping Hands for ESP projects then 😉

[winged sleet]

I hope that's ALL you plan to use that extra arm for... :P.

[forest cobalt]

lmfao!!! Weeeeeeeell...

[arctic sequoia]

a radon gas detector would make sense in some of the places I put temp sensors

[quasi knoll]

I'm not sure if the issue is zigbee or not, but here's an issue I'm having. I am using zigbee2mqtt to control my zigbee lights. I have a group called "Bedroom Nightstands" and a group called "Den Lights". The den lights are a lamp with 3 lightbulbs in them. I seem to have a bug where when I turn on or off the bedroom nightstands, 2 of the 3 den lights will turn on or off. I've watched the MQTT explorer while turning on and off the nightstands, and it doesn't change anything in the den light states. Doesn't even show them as on. It makes me think that through the numerous times I've changed out lights and moved, something in HA is confused. What is the best way to full remove a zigbee2mqtt light from both HA and Zigbee2MQTT to ensure there's no remaining anything and starting fresh with these specific lights?

[rapid dawn]

@quartz cipher I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[quasi knoll]

Nevermind actually, I accidentally deleted the wrong message in my MQTT server and just decided to start it fresh anyways. Learned some stuff along the way

[forest cobalt]

You want the latest 🙂

[quartz cipher]

Yea, but weird they all sound like different flavors coming from different repos.

[quasi knoll]

But a new question I have: In the example of my lamp with 3 light bulbs, in zigbee2mqtt I have Den Lamp 1, 2 and 3, and also have them in a group of just "Den Lamp". How can I not report the individual bulbs to HA and just the group? Or should I just hide them in HA?

[forest cobalt]

There's some history to the z-stack firmwares. Generally, you want the latest and if you want to know more, they are almost always linked to an issue or discussion.

[forest cobalt]

You can do either or, actually. I keep both groups and entities in HA in case an individual light gets wonky for whatever reason, but all my automations, scripts and scenes uses the group entity.

[quasi knoll]

Cool, thanks that's what I'll do then

[royal star]

Has anyone successfully migrated from the old Z2M addon to the new one? I'm reading reports that copying over the addon configuration data to the new addon folder doesn't work: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/updating-zigbee2mqtt-when-ive-installed-from-an-old-repo/287373/15

[quartz cipher]

AHhhh the daunting commitment of performing this Zigbee radio migration from ConBee II to SLZB-06

[grim igloo]

just do it

[quartz cipher]

I see some people who said flawless the migrate radio wizard was a breeze....others having issues needing to fix a whole bunch of devices afterwards and even worse the wizard just dieing mid process.

[grim igloo]

even if its 100 devices it would go faster than you think

[quartz cipher]

If I take a Full HA backup before this, and stuff goes sideways, specifically with ZHA integration\conbee\slzb. Will restoring that HA backup include putting all the radio stuff back to how it was?

[grim igloo]

i personally dont trust/understand the routing enough to expect a migration to take place and leave you with the best routes on each device even if they did move over

[quartz cipher]

My understanding is periodically zigbee continously updates its routing paths. THats not my concern. My concern is if stuff goes worst case scenario. I have only about 50 zigbee devices, but figuring out the reset process for each one again, repairing, updating device names\entities\automations, etc...

[austere patio]

The radio USB sticks aren't stateless and can't be restored with a HA backup

[grim igloo]

each device seems to have its own mind on when and if it will update a route and based on previous chats here, even zigbee 3.0 battery devices often dont migrate routes so it's more of a crapshoot :x

[austere patio]

That being said, ZHA has a backup of your network settings, which is all that you need to get your network working. If the migration for whatever reason fails (it really shouldn't but if it does, please file a bug!), you just run it again, all of your settings are saved

[quartz cipher]

So if a hardware stick ever dies ramdomly, even the "backup radio" json file stuff in conjunction with a HA backup is no way to get your setup back up how it was on a new stick? Only option is completely start new?

I think you beat me to that question first

[austere patio]

The radio backup JSON file isn't necessary. ZHA has its own database that's kept up-to-date and has all known network settings, past and current

[quartz cipher]

Then why did you say a HA backup doesnt encompass that?

[austere patio]

It also performs a backup during the migration

[austere patio]

If you restore a HA backup, it will not restore your network settings

The ZHA database will be in your backup but it can't be restored like this, it's not a point in time backup. There's state that is shared across the whole Zigbee network and you can't roll that back

Think of it like taking a backup of your WiFi router's config. You can restore it but there's no way to make an old client re-connect.

[quartz cipher]

Ok then my question is the following...if someone wanted to be completely backed up for worst case scenario. Lets say with the thought that their entire HA ecosystem was going to fry itsself from a lightning strike. Which means their minipc thats running HA bare metal and their zigbee dongle included. I thought it would look like the following. They would make sure to take a full HAOS backup, have the generic haos image file handly, and a boot medium to restore it to a new pc. I would of thought also have the ZHA radio backup json would be handy. Then you buy a new pc, flash the HAOS disk on it, restore the HAOS backup, connect a brand new zigbee dongle they bought, and somehow restore that json so its like nothing everr changed. Youre saying thats not at all possible and all zigbee devices would need to be reset\paired to this new dongle like day 1 then?

[quartz cipher]

Gotcha.

So its really just there for HA sake and being able to see all your stale devices as they were, before you reassociate them all fresh.

[austere patio]

No, you just have to click the "migrate radio" button in ZHA to migrate your network settings to the new stick

[quartz cipher]

But not if your stick jsut fried it self before you knew that.

Im hearing theres no PROACTIVE way to be prepared in order to do a restore to a new ecosystem. As far as ZIGBEE goes.

[austere patio]

An auto backup is taken by ZHA every 24 hours, so as long as you have some HA backup, you're fine

[quartz cipher]

Ahhhh i think i get it now...

[austere patio]

It's just not something that can be done automatically during restore for a variety of reasons

You gotta click the "migrate radio" button to start it

[grim igloo]

ultimately it's some nvm_backup file stored in zha config files no?

[quartz cipher]

So if im hopefully understand correctly. The "Migrate radio" function doesnt necessarily NEED the physical zigbee stickto migrate from present. Theres a ghost\backup of that within HA

SO it just takes it all there and applies it to a new radio

[austere patio]

Correct. It's good to have your old stick plugged in so that ZHA can wipe it before re-writing those settings to your new stick, as otherwise bad things will happen when you plug it in again somewhere nearby

But if you don't have it for whatever reason, all of your network settings are always saved in a database

[hybrid cloud]

i lost power last week for like 12 hours and since then ive had 1 zigbee device that keeps disconnecting every day (lumi.sensor_motion). i have one other one and it's not had any issues at all. how can i go about fixing this or fi guring out the problem? i tried deleting it and readding it, it seems to not have made a difference. (can ping me with reply)

and nothing shows in the debug log if i search the device ieee, just the initial join command , and then the offline command 6 hours later

[carmine apex]

What is the advantage of Zigbee over using BT ATC mode?

[orchid tundra]

I've since learned that the advantage is a lot more situational, as you basically obliterate the reporting rate by going to Zigbee. It might be worth it if you can't set up a BLE Proxy nearby and have a good mesh there, though, or if you don't strictly need up to the second information

[carmine apex]

Did you change any of the defaults, like interval, power, and BT5+PHY for example? I want to optimize the performance of them, I picked up 5 myself and just flashed them all to ATC BT

[dawn furnace]

greetings fellas can someone explain on to install this on home assistant, https://www.amazon.com/THIRDREALITY-Zigbee-Smart-Plug/dp/B0BPY2KRHH

thank you

[rapid dawn]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and as of 1.35.0 now has opportunistic support similar to ZHA. This change has simplified adding support for new devices.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

[sour shadow]

Though, don't waste your time on deCONZ 😉

[dawn furnace]

i see, which way would you prefer to install

i mean who do i know which hardware chipset my device actually has

[sour shadow]

Well, you pick ZHA (part of HA) or Z2M (external to HA)

Then you pick the supported coordinator - but some current EmberZNET stick is good (eg SkyConnect, Sonoff E, Tube, or SMLight)

[naive flare]

Hi everyone, I Hsve an issue with my ZBT-1 and my Z-Station connected on my host windows machine and running HA on a VirtualBox machine. But once a day USB devices, both of them , are disapreaing from the Hardware list and therfore Zigbee2MQTT stops functionning. Anyone have the experience with Vbox VM and Zigbee USB dongles ?

[granite comet]

Hello, I have a question. If I plan to have a router in my Zigbee network, do I need to pair my Zigbee devices in a specific order?
If i pair every all at once It can be like

router <- coordinator -> end device

which is not what i planned to do
or will it automatically route to the optimized network:

coordinator -> router -> end device

[main ruin]

It will depend on the device

[sour shadow]

The answer depends on the devices, and the brand

You should pair all routers first, spiralling out from the coordinator

[main ruin]

Some will gladly switch to whichever route is optimal to take, and some will require you to pry a connection from their cold hands

[sour shadow]

Then pair the end devices, ideally through a nearby router so they start off sane - and for Xiaomi (Aqara/Mijia) so they actually connect to something nearby

[granite comet]

Oh, thanks! Right now, I have one Sonoff device as a router and another one as a router, and two other devices as end devices. Introducing a router to my network didn't seem to improve my LQI that much. I think this might be because of the pairing order.

[austere patio]

I would not worry about LQI unless you are having issues

[sour shadow]

Also, devices are free to change parent (or not). You can't force that.

[granite comet]

It seems like I have a lot to learn. lol

[sour shadow]

FWIW I've got devices with LQI from low single digits to > 200, the LQI has no bearing on how reliable the devices are

The state of the battery has more impact

[granite comet]

I see

My device also shows that it has an LQI = 0, but somehow it still sends some messages

[austere patio]

What coordinator are you using? A CC2652?

[granite comet]

Yep

[sour shadow]

So, all the usual things:

1. Coordinator is on an extension cable?
2. Zigbee channel doesn't overlap with any Wifi?
3. You've tried a fresh battery?

If all are true then re-pair the sensor via a nearby router

[austere patio]

LQI is also roughly the quality of the link between the coordinator and the last-hop router (or the device itself, if there is no intermediate parent router)

[granite comet]

I'll try to check all of them. thanks for your knowledge.

[austere patio]

So if you have [device] <--------------------------------------> [router] <-> [coordinator], it'll be high, even if the link is bad

[granite comet]

I see. How about the RSSI?

[austere patio]

Same thing. For the CC2652, the LQI is computed from just the RSSI

If you have issues with your sensor (i.e. it isn't reporting as reliably as it should), I would worry about explicitly re-joining it via a closer router (in case the sensor picked a bad one initially or it was moved around). Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about the numbers. They go up and down, nothing you can do about it.

[granite comet]

Thanks, I think I got all the answers I needed. I truly appreciate your help

[hazy hound]

Hello, I'm having some trouble with one of my zigbee lights randomly turning on and I can't figure out what's causing it. Anyone up for helping my troubleshoot it or is there a better place to post to?

[raven jewel]

What does the logbook say about it?

[hazy hound]

"Office light turned on"

[raven jewel]

Ok, so that means that the thing that's making this happen is outside of what HA can see/read.

What kind of light is it? Ikea? Aqara?

[hazy hound]

It's a sylvania smart+

[raven jewel]

Are you using ZHA or Z2M?

[hazy hound]

ZHA

[raven jewel]

If you look at the groups, do you see one? https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#zigbee-group

Or any binding for the device?

[hazy hound]

The bindable groups drop down has "Default lightlink group" as an option. Not sure if that's what I

I'm supposed to be looking at

[raven jewel]

If it's bound to a default group, then something else like an IKEA button could be controlling it directly

[hazy hound]

I don't have any of the bindings set I don't think. I did try binding it to a sengled switch at one point but it never seemed to work. I have an automation for the switch to turn it off and on instead.

[raven jewel]

Do you have any IKEA buttons?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/direct-unwanted-zigbee-communications/639925/6

[hazy hound]

No, I have a few ikea bulbs and outlets though. This issue predates the bulbs but not the outlets

[raven jewel]

Hmmm, do you have any other kind of Zigbee buttons?

And/or is it possible that power to the light is being turned off?

[hazy hound]

I'm in the room so I know the power switch isn't being flipped but I suppose it could be a problem with the light fixture fluctuating power or something. I only have the one sengled switch, no other dedicated buttons or switches.

[mellow geode]

Could also be a case of the light just having bad firmware. Old OSRAMs are known for that.

[raven jewel]

Well it seems unlikely it's a binding problem then.

It would be worth checking to see if there's an update you can install

[hazy hound]

That would not surprise me. I've had lots of problems with their bulbs. How do I explicitly check for firmware updates? I haven't seen one pop as available in home assistant settings page

[raven jewel]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-updates-of-zigbee-device-firmware

You should see an update entity if one is available

[hazy hound]

Oh yeah I see a firmware entity, it says it is up to date

[mellow geode]

Can you check the zcl_version attribute on the Basic cluster?

That just gives an idea of how old the bulb (firmware) is.

You can read it by going to the device page -> three dots on the left -> Manage Zigbee device -> Clusters: Basic -> Attribute: zcl_version -> Read Attribute

[hazy hound]

looks like 2

[mellow geode]

Oh, hmm. That's not completely old then.

Can you check app_version, date_code, and sw_build_id?

Also, is there any pattern to the lights turning on "randomly"?

[hazy hound]

app_version: 1 date_code: Jan 4 2019 sw_build_id: none

No real discernable pattern. Sometimes it will take 20 minutes to turn back on, sometimes it will pop back on 3 times in 1 minute

[raven jewel]

It might be worth checking the routing map to see what signal to the device is like

[hazy hound]

It's in the room with the coordinate so shouldn't be a signal issue, I can check though. Not sure what I'm looking for but the line to the coordinator is green and has the numbers 252/204 on it

[mellow geode]

On the device page in HA, are there "startup options" available for the light?
It could be that the light is crashing and rebooting, thus reverting to the selected startup option (if the light supports them).

Turning back on three times in one minute seems a bit much though.. But their firmware isn't known to be great.

[hazy hound]

I don't see anything labeled startup options, there's an entity called "On level"?

[mellow geode]

That's one of the options. Is it set to 255, 254, or something else?

[hazy hound]

255

[mellow geode]

Ok, that should be "last level". 254 is full brightness. Try and change it to 2.

When the light randomly turns on next time, monitor if the brightness is really low.

If it's low, it crashed/power-cycled.

You can confirm setting the option worked by power-cycling the light (unscrewing the bulb, waiting a few seconds, screwing it back in).
It should come on at a dim level then.

This is just to figure out if the light randomly turning on are "crashes/power-cycles".

[raven jewel]

Or instead of unscrewing it, remove the power to it through a conventional switch/unplugging the lamp from the wall 😛

[hazy hound]

Hmm that setting doesn't seem to be working. Power cycling the light brings it back to full brightness

[mellow geode]

Nice firmware lol

[hazy hound]

Haha yeeeaaah would not recommend their products, they have been nothing but trouble for me

Probably will try a different brand bulb in the light fixture and see if it has any problem and chalk this bulb up to being borked

Appreciate the help though!

[raven jewel]

One last ditch effort might be un-pairing it and re-pairing it. Just in case it kicks a cobweb loose somewhere.

[hazy hound]

I have tried that a few times but I'll keep the bulb around. Maybe I'll figure it out one day lol

[west hedge]

Hello community. I had a small network coordinated by a Sonoff 3.0 USB plus which died. I was getting an nvram corrupted error. I found some instructions on how to flash but was unsuccessful as I couldn't enable the bootloader. So i bought an identical replacement. Is there a way to salvage my network with a new device? Has this happened to anyone else? Thanks.

[mellow geode]

Regarding flashing firmware, see https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/flashing/flashing_via_cc2538-bsl.html
Note the --bootloader-sonoff-usb option. It'll automatically switch the device into bootloader mode.

For restoring network settings on your Zigbee stick, what integration are you using?

Z2M and ZHA both have the ability to restore your last network settings.

[west hedge]

Thanks for your reply. I'm using ZHA. I bit the bullet and swapped it out. The radio migration was successful and everything turned green. Thank goodness for automatic backups

[gleaming jay]

Anyone have user experience with this guy

https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-smart-water-valve/

[elfin tangle]

Hi all. Would like to ask if Multiprotocol can be used for Zigbee2MQTT with ember adapter?

[finite pawn]

Is there a community favorite zigbee mmwave presence sensor?

[dawn furnace]

gotta give this a shot

[sour shadow]

Hi all. Would like to ask if

[forest cobalt]

Not really. Zigbee mmWave sensors are kind of hobbled by the fact that they can spam your mesh. So, they typically have slower reporting than a WiFi one. I've used a couple of the Tuya ones and the Linptech ones (also sold under the Moes brand) and they generally sucked. Couldn't really tune them and so they were just barely better than a PIR sensor. I've gone and replaced all of mine with Apollo's MSR-1/2 and MTR-1 sensors. They're WiFi, report fast and are pretty well priced.

[pseudo olive]

So I'm a total noob with HA. I recently bought a MOES Universal Remote Control. I can connect it to HA just fine via Zigbee but I only have an option to turn it on and off as a switch. Does anyone know a good way to configure the device? I see you can use the MOES app but you need a MOES gateway it looks like?

[winged sleet]

Inovelli has spent considerable time, effort and money on developing one and their stuff is usually quite fantastic. It's pre-order now, but they are supposed to ship this quarter.

[finite pawn]

I have some Inovelli Zigbee ceiling fan controllers and they are quite feature-filled.

I only wish they would have included inputs for a physical switch.

I'vce tried out three different Tuya mmwave presence sensors... each one has worked, but also each of them has stopped working at one point or another because of z2m updates.

[forest cobalt]

Well that and they're Tuya devices. I tried a couple of them and they were crap compared to an ESP device with a LD2410 sensor in it. The tuning alone in them is fantastic.

[pseudo olive]

I did find a quirk for this... However no logging info. Making progress 😂

[stoic linden]

What is the best zigbee cordinator?

[sour shadow]

One from Tube or SMLight

EFR MGM24 based have shown to be stable with setups of 300+ devices

[stoic linden]

Something like this? https://a.co/d/072B2Zul

[forest cobalt]

Yup!

[ionic locust]

If an item is show as end device when you click on view network they still boost the signal from one device to another? Thanks

[forest cobalt]

No. Only router devices do that.

[ionic locust]

So when you say router are those items that are hard wired like plugs and bulbs?

[sour shadow]

Yes, mostly

Check the second pin for terms (and more)

[ionic locust]

Will do thanks for your time

[left juniper]

Is there any reason to update IKEA ZigBee devices?

[sour shadow]

Mostly no

[left juniper]

What's the maybe yes?

[sour shadow]

Update only if you've got problems and the firmware is supposed to fix them

Anything else risks them no longer working - fully or partly

[junior ridge]

So I'm looking at doing an upgrade to some of my temperature humidity sensors in the house to get something that's a little more stable and faster updating, I've seen forum post suggesting that this model works okay with M2Q, but I'm using ZHA, does anyone have any positive or negative feedback on if it would work with my current setup? Aqara WSDCGQ11LM

[sour shadow]

Those work fine

Pretty much all Aqara stuff will

[forest cobalt]

Second vote for them... I think I have 7 or 8 of them? Something like that.

[junior ridge]

That's good to hear. I know the brand is good, I just wanted to kind of get the extra confirmation for the particular model

[forest cobalt]

Yup. The ONLY thing I have against them is that when the router they are attached to loses power, sometimes you need to press the button on them to get them to reconnect. But, it's only happened on a couple of mine.

[quick lark]

Can someone PLEASE help me as I just destroyed my HA. I used mqtt explorer and deleted all the stuff under home assiatnt. Now I have no more sensors in HA. Is there anyways to get them discovered again?

[rapid dawn]

@quick lark Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

[sour shadow]

I've directed them back here as it's a Z2M related fuckup

[junior ridge]

Yeah, I'm going to have to teach my sister how to handle some of that stuff, I'm relearning now how to reconfigure device that's been on the network and got lost. But with everything being very close, a lot of stuff is using the ZHA dongle as it's primary connection so the mesh should be pretty resilient

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, mine are super resilient.

[cosmic chasm]

Anyone have tips for increasing link quality in a semi isolated room? The way the outlets in my house are configured, there's a lathe and plaster wall and 20 feet between my coordinator and the closest location for a router in the primary bedroom, so the 3 bulbs (not routers) occasionally drop to sub 100 lq and stop responding to commands.

[junior ridge]

Put something like a smart plug or something in the midway point to work as a bridge?

Even if it's not in use, I would think that could be an easy way to extend the mesh and add some resiliency

[strange lance]

Anyone else noticed that all group names are gone in ZHA?

[mellow geode]

With HA Core 2024.7.0?

[strange lance]

Yes, or I noticed it today and I updated yesterday, so it could have disappeared before that

The names is still on the entities, but the list in zha is blank from all text.

If I open the group I see the namn, it's just in the group list.

[cerulean quest]

I've got 2 instances of Z2M running and since the update, the second one (a different network from the first one) has created new sensors for all of my temperature sensors (aqara), like sensor.room_temperatura_2, while disabling the original sensor.room_temperature. Which means I'm losing all the history for sensor.room_temperature and all my automations are busted.

Is this happening to anybody else? Is there a fix?

[haughty rock]

Hi there I dont understand something I just insalled some Sonoff zbminil2. 1 is wokring fine but the two other dont. The nearest is added but doesnt show on the network as online. The last one doesnt want to be added on the network. I switched the module. I have 5 others I need to install but I dont understand why I can add the 3rd one and why the fisrt one doesnt connect anymore to the mesh

[forest cobalt]

How many routing devices do you have? Since the ZBMiniL2 is a non-neutral device, it would be considered an end device and would need a nearby router to connect to. It can connect directly to the coordinator, but generally coordinators don't really like having end devices directly connected to them.

[flint sluice]

Is it normal, in the zigbee2mqtt map to not see the strength between a repeater and child? All my child devices show as 0. It makes it hard to know where I need to add a repeater to the network.

[forest cobalt]

Sometimes. If the routing device doesn't return a valid LQI (RSSI) when building the map, you can see that.

[river sapphire]

should it be possible in Z2M to bind one light to another? I'm trying to set up bindings for a battery powered dimmer switch to control 6 Hue strips, but it seems like the dimmer switch can only handle 3 bindings, so I'm wondering if I could have three of the strips then bind onwards to the other three

it seems like maybe I can't get one Hue device to bind to another, Z2M just doesn't show any clusters when I select the source/target endpoints

[sour shadow]

Only if everything supports binding

[pliant belfry]

Anyone else having issues loading the z2m dashboard when accessing the Home assistant instance over cloudflared tunnel?
It never loads for me. All other addons work fine.
If I switch to the local ip address it works fine.

[river sapphire]

for the dimmer->strips case, is it normal that it would only support a relatively limited number?

I also tried binding the dimmer to a z2m group, but that didn't seem to end up doing anything

[austere patio]

Are the strips a member of the same group?

[river sapphire]

yeah I added all 6 to a Z2M group

[somber root]

for those who swapped hue bulbs to z2m or zha, how is the user experience when it comes to grouping/scenes? i read in the docs that making groups/zones in hue is advisable vs helper groups i believe.

i dont need any advanced hue hub functionality. basic color changes at most and general scene/automation changes

[river sapphire]

not quite as reliable, in my experience, and the hub seems to carefully order commands to bulbs to make big transitions look nice. I had to write a Home Assistant script to be able to go from very bright to very dark setups of wildly different colours, without it looking awful

I still prefer it overall to having a Hub though 🙂

[somber root]

I’ll play around with then less trafficked areas that also need more zigbee help and see how it goes from there

Thanks!

[quick lark]

anyone help me out? I update my sonoff dongle to user the ember firmware. When I try to change the adapter from ezsp to ember it gives me this error

Failed to save add-on configuration, does not match regular expression

[sour shadow]

Make sure you're on Z2M 1.37.0 or later

[quick lark]

ah that should have been my next step but I panicked and reflashed the firmware back to the old one just to get my devices working

[quick lark]

Thanks for the help yesterday and today. Fxied my problem. btw where is the patch notes for each firmware so I know if its worth upgrading or not? I only saw the whole ezsp going away the other day

[sour shadow]

No idea, don't use EZSP myself

Have you looked at the firmware repo?

[quick lark]

i just meant for any of that new firmware. Arent they he same? I just did 7.4.2 but there was newer ones

[sour shadow]

The same what?

[ionic locust]

Anyone recommends buying those zigbee repeaters from Ali express that act as a router? Reviews are positive but do not know. There no cover zone is set up with sonoff devices and actually do not need to buy more devices maybe someone has already tried the repeaters

[ashen bluff]

I'm sure they work but I'd recommend a useful device that can act as "repeater" instead.

[sour shadow]

The Tuya repeaters are also bad for your mesh

[ionic locust]

Hmm thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks as always!

[low jacinth]

Hi everyone, I'm just starting up a simple HA system with Alexa. All I want to do at the moment is get some room/window sensors and have it alert me. Looking on ali, I am/was looking at a sonoff usb dongle to plug in the back of my server, but @sour shadow said maybe not to with the sonoff P dongle and look at the Aqara system. In that case, is it the Aqara E1 dongle for the system, or should I look at the sonoff E dongle?

[sour shadow]

That Aqara is a hub, not a "dongle"

#zigbee-archived message

[low jacinth]

Apologies, I looked at the end and old school assumed dongle type! (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006846346423.html) [edit] i'm seeing lots of posts talking about get the sonoff P and not the E

[primal hill]

Hi, has anybody try the Nous B4Z curtain zigbee module? I have one but can't find a way to use it with Up/stop/down button and want to know if it is at least possible plz ?

[harsh mango]

I have "SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus-E Gateway, Universal Zigbee USB Gateway with Antenna for Home Assistant, Open HAB, Zigbee2MQTT etc, Wireless Zigbee 3.0 USB Adapter" from Amazon. Does "Plus-E" mean it's the "E" version? Is that good/bad/? ?

[grim igloo]

depends who you ask 😛

[harsh mango]

And, is there a dongle that's recommended over this one?

[grim igloo]

it's the one suggested above

[harsh mango]

the aliexpress one?

oh, no.

[grim igloo]

that's the train of thought i subscribe to

[harsh mango]

So there's opinions on P vs E, why one or the other?

[sour shadow]

P has known hardware faults

The E doesn't

[harsh mango]

Ah.

I think I'll just stick with the E then, it's what I have now.

I accidentally bumped into it and the USB is bent 😄

[grim igloo]

you can disassemble and bend back but i'd leave it lol

chances are higher you snap it prob

[harsh mango]

plus I'm trying to migrate to mqtt so I can use the dongle on a pi, it'll make it easier to just have two, where I can play and figure mqtt stuff out without breaking my current network lol

[sour shadow]

#zigbee-archived message if you're planning on buying anything

[grim igloo]

migrate to mqtt?

do you mean move from zha to z2m?

[sour shadow]

Everybody gets confused and drops the Zigbee2 part

Don't know why they do that

[harsh mango]

was just shorthand

[grim igloo]

yeah mqtt is just the protocol that zigbee2mqtt uses

[sour shadow]

Bad shorthand

[harsh mango]

fair.

just don't want to pass usb to my VM and have the dongle by my servers

[grim igloo]

buy a PoE coordinator instead

you can buy one with a newer chipset than your e dongle

either the smlight ones or tubes (more expensive, smaller batches)

[harsh mango]

hmm, I forgot the site, forgot they exist.

[grim igloo]

no reason to use a pi running a whole linux OS instead of an esp32 powered via ethernet

[harsh mango]

I mean, I have the pi's just laying around.

[grim igloo]

maybe they be laying for a reason

[harsh mango]

just didn't have projects is all.

[grim igloo]

ya cuz esp32 replace the job of all the gpio stuff pis can do 😛

and mini pcs replace everything else

[harsh mango]

hmm, SMLight doesn't seem to have zwave stuff from a quick google, though I didn't see if they have a site yet.

[grim igloo]

smlight is a ukrainian company selling zigbee stuff only i think im not 100% on that

nope they sell lots of stuff https://smartlight.me/en

[harsh mango]

yeah I didn't see zwave on there

which btw, my pi will be doing zwave too, so that's another reason to just stick with that.

[grim igloo]

tube's is the only one that sells a zwave kit

https://tubeszb.com/product/z-wave-poe-kit/

[low jacinth]

I've been reading a fair few posts that the 'E' has problems (as of about two months back) but the P doesn't, tad confused

[harsh mango]

oh jeez, dangit, the smlight is on sale for the same price tho :/

[grim igloo]

it still needs a zac93 or similar

[harsh mango]

oh.

well, nvm then.

[grim igloo]

they're $11.75 right now https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/4th-of-july-zooz-super-sale-2024/products/zooz-800-series-z-wave-long-range-gpio-module-zac93-lr

[harsh mango]

I am going to just play with what I have rather than spend money, for now

do i have this understanding correct tho? z2mqtt on the pi with the dongle, connects to mqtt server, and then in HA i use the mqtt plugin?