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austere patio
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In any case, I would not suggest doing this unless you are bored or have a good reason to do so. I don't know how good of a Zigbee router it is, how well it works with non-compliant devices like older Aqara sensors, or if it has firmware bugs that will cause network issues

orchid trench
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I just want to connect it with the home assistant through ZHA (Sonoff USB ZB-dongle plus), so I can do some projects with it

mint flume
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Yeah I'm an odd one out running HA Core, but it was easier for me since I already had a NAS running a ton of monilithic apps, already behind an nginx reverse proxy, already behind a domain I own, etc.

Building this in Docker instead with all the hardware key interactions, etc would've been more work for me.

grim igloo
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Monolithic app? As in you install everything bare metal not containers?

signal osprey
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is any alternate for zigbee2mqtt in rust language. as this time in my setup home assistant (python), rumqttd (rust), zigbee2mqtt (node ). is any body know anything alternate for zigbee2mqtt in rust language?

austere patio
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Nope

mint flume
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Not everything but most things.

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IMO, the argument for containers is not really that strong when deploying a single app on a single machine, and the configuration nightmare they can be is not worth it to me.

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I've been SysAdminning for 22 years though, so... Old habits die hard.

grim igloo
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depends on the host OS / hypervisor

mint flume
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I use Arch, and the community support is so incredible, I've never found it particularly difficult to manage.

grim igloo
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with unraid you can do it drunk while asleep and riding a bicycle without a single command line touched

still barn
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anyone have issues with aqara leak sensors dropping offline and unable to get them back online without having to remove/readd?

mint flume
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Yeah, if you've got something like TrueNAS that's managing everything for you and you're never actually touching the containers, it's not as bad.

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But I also like knowing how things actually work.

still barn
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using zha if that matters

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i dont have the greatest signal to this sensor, but bringing the sensor close to the extender that it was originally added to and pressing the button on top, does not help it reconnect.

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i usually get a few weeks out of the sensor before it goes offline

mint flume
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What do the logs say when you wake it up? Does it reconnect?

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Do you have any powered Zibee routers between the controller and the battery devices?

still barn
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my aeotec zigbee extender is what i used to add the device and is the closest powered device

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i got impatient and didnt look at the coordinator logs when i was trying to get it to reconnect before i just ended up removing and readding

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mainly just wondering if it was common issue for the aqara leak sensor

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all my other aqara sensors have been great

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maybe i can just get another extender to beef up my zigbee network or a switch or something

mint flume
mint flume
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The IKEA ones are cheap routers according to folks on Reddit.

still barn
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yeah thats a good idea actually

fresh jackal
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Hi @austere patio I'm the dude who just opened the draft ZGP pull. Not to bother, but just a heads up that I'm in here as well if you have any specific questions.

austere patio
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Awesome! I'll DM you if you don't mind, this discussion is probably better suited for there

fresh jackal
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Absolutely I also figured that'd be easiest.

sudden yarrow
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Did I hear ZGP? kirbysignyay

carmine hamlet
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That's interesting

dawn holly
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Any idea why randomly my zigbee switch stops working. It shows the device firing in the log accurately - one click, double click, etc. If I look at the actual automation while clicking it, I also see the little blue flag pop up on the triggered event but again, home assistant acts like there is no automation to be run, just happily keeps logging the clicks

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Also, this is an automation that works flawlessly 99.999% of the time otherwise

manic plinth
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What is the difference between using a normal HA light group and a Zigbee light group? I find that using a HA group is much more reliable & stable as using a Zigbee light group keeps throwing out "Network Busy" errors

grim igloo
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It should be the opposite

mellow geode
# manic plinth What is the difference between using a normal HA light group and a Zigbee light ...

Keep using that then.
A HA group is like controlling all lights individually: they get individual messages.
Controlling a Zigbee group sends a broadcast message to the whole network (every device) and only lights of the group react then.
In some situations, this is good, in others, it’s bad. It depends on the network size and group size for what you want to use.

You’re using a Silicon Labs coordinator which can’t send as many broadcasts per default as TI coordinators can. The TI/Z-Stsck firmware has that limit somewhat removed, but it can cause other issues.
Silicon Labs coordinator firmware are "compliant" by default.

hot fable
grim igloo
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i thought yesterday you were going to get the newer zigbee 3.0 version

hot fable
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i didn't know there was a newer version?

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what's the model number of the 3.0 version?

grim igloo
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I’d check z2m product page

manic plinth
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Not a big or complicated network by any means

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Though still it confuses me that Zigbee throws out "Network Busy" errors if I try to turn two or more Zigbee light groups off in one automation

mellow geode
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That's expected, as the broadcast requests risk to flood the network otherwise

hot fable
mellow geode
hot fable
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oh, weird how that didn't show up in my search before?

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but thanks, i'll check it out!

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so i can't find the T1 temp sensor on aliexpress or elsewhere for cheap - what are the disadvantages of getting a non-zigbee 3.0 version?

or are there other non-aqara zigbee temp sensors that people recommend? i only know of aqara since i'm rather new with zigbee so haven't done much except aqara door sensors

ripe osprey
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How cheap of a sensor are you looking for?

hot fable
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well the non-3.0 aqara ones are about $12AUD each at the moment, so probably something around there

ripe osprey
mint flume
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Is there any way to scan Zigbee channels and determine which one would be best to pick?

I have a SmartThings hub I'm working on deprecating, but having it both running and my SkyConnect in the same room is causing a lot of errors in HA.

ripe osprey
hot fable
hot fable
ripe osprey
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Hmm, just noticed, that mine are also 11LM

hot fable
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how have they been? any issues or anything?

ripe osprey
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Not a home assistant user yet, just now trying to get a place to set up server and stuff. For now have been using them via Aqara app itself (Needed quick solution for radiators). At first they were dropping signal, but that was due to the range between hub and devices (Approx 8 meters with thick walls in between). I bought some smart plugs for now as a bandaid. No dropouts as of yet

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After looking through the net, people only have 2 issues - Battery drainage for some users, and how often data gets sent.

P.S. In case you get these - They send data once an hour, or when a temp change from last reading is 0.5 C

hot fable
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i mean, once an hour or every 0.5C isn't too bad

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i don't care not knowing that the room is 22.2 vs 22.4

ripe osprey
ashen bluff
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Everything after the .html can go. Makes for a nicer link.

ripe osprey
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Thanks!

ripe osprey
hot fable
ripe osprey
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Oh then i won't be able to assist. I only search for Z2M devices. So better wait for someone else to chime in as well

hot fable
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easy, thanks for the suggestions!

molten linden
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Those work with zha as well they are one of the few tuya things that follow the zigbee spec

hot fable
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would they be better than just getting the other aqara ones?

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i've heard not great things about tuya wifi devices so just want to be sure about it

molten linden
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I find they work okay, but aqara have better battery life

hot fable
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i think if they're going to be about the same price i'd rather go for the aqara

drifting flare
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I have 3 in positions where I sometimes find I need to re-pair them (turn on "allow join" in HA and then pressing and holding the button on the sensor)

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On tuya vs aqara: I have a tuya vibration sensor and tuya contact sensor. They both work, use cheaper aaa batteries, and are bigger and don't look so nice imo.

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Maybe the temp sensors are cheap enough to buy one of both to see what works better for you? 🙂

hot fable
prime raft
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Hello there - has anyone successfully extended a Hue network with a third-party Zigbee extender, please? I have connectivity issues in one room, at the opposite of the Hue bridge location, and I'm trying to see how I could solve that easily.
Thank you!

compact oak
fossil loom
sudden yarrow
wide nimbus
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I’ve got a bunch of battery powered aqara h1’s and they work fine. I had two of them do this after about a year (until doing the zb pairing dance) and now it’s happened again with one - I use z2m with HA and have automations to a light on per button. This has stopped working and instead, the buttons toggle all lights and switches in the house

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Don’t really understand how that’s possible!

outer pulsar
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Hi there, I have a question I can't find a topic for.
I have Hue bulbs and Tradfri rodet dimmers.
I can see them all in ZHA, but I can't get the dimmer to control the bulb. I tried creating a group and adding the bulb to it, then binding the dimmer to said group and reconfigure both devices, nothing works. Is there a definitive guide for zigbee inter-brands setup?

winged coyote
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Has anyone else had issues with Hue Blooms responding to their Zigbee coordinator? I'm seeing a few posts around talking about connectivity issues with them, so maybe it's just the reality of it, but curious if anyone has found a solution.

mellow geode
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Are they the older RGB only ones? (no CCT support)

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If so, yeah. They have issues. You can try the firmware updates though. They’re one of the few Hue devices that are TI based

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The newer Hue Bloom devices (with Bluetooth) are fine

loud geyser
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Well to elaborate further on this
#zigbee-archived message
I have tried updating all the TRVs to newest firmware via OTP and also updated the Dongle-P to no avail.
Then I found out about report configuration and tried that, but the local_temperature attribute of Aqara TRV apparently is UNREPORTABLE_ATTRIBUTE when trying to conf_report_read and trying to conf_report (min_interval: 30, max_interval: 300, reportable_change: 10) it results in INVALID_VALUE.
Judging by #zigbee-archived message this is well known with Aqara devices so sucks to be me.
Then I decided to just scrap my whole ZHA configuration and set up Z2M which in the end was way less scary than I originally thought, but the problem with horrible report rate of current temperature still persists.
This is critical issue for me, because I have a setup with DIYLESS Opentherm Thermostat connected to gas boiler, which is dynamically set to mirror thermostat (current temp, target temp) of TRV with biggest temp delta and if these values dont update properly the PID modulation of the thermostat connected to boiler controlling boiler temperature goes through the roof and puts a lot of strain on it.

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One thing that could potentially work. When playing with the TRVs in Z2M I found that it allows setting local_temperature when Sensor is set to external via mqtt by posting to zigbee2mqtt/{{aqara_trv_device_name}}/set/sensor_temp and the TRVs seem to react to this well so I would need to get additional temperature sensor for each room and patch these two together, but I would prefer to have the TRVs themselves reporting temperature reliably.
I was under the impression that Aqara stuff is pretty popular so surely I can not be the only person with this issue.

ripe osprey
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Are there any suggestions for Zigbee 3.0 smart plugs for EU market? I see mostly Aqara ones, however, those are expensive (30 EUR per piece). Are there any good alternatives? (For Z2M systems)

grim igloo
compact oak
grim igloo
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you're asking how to join something to a zigbee mesh without supporting zigbee?

ripe osprey
compact oak
ripe osprey
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It doesn't have a zigbee connection. It's a bluetooth device. Zigbee is a different standard, same as Wifi and Bluetooth are 2 different things

compact oak
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Ok thx

snow roost
mellow geode
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Yeah, you can download the diagnostics file for the ZHA integration and the energy scan will be at the bottom

vocal canopy
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Question: If I'm using ZHA, and migrating to a new machine from a very old configuration, is there any chance of keeping my entities? or should I expect to have to re-pair everything?

grim igloo
vocal canopy
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ok, so what's the process? just remove from one machine and install in the other? Do I need to worry about zigbee.db?

grim igloo
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you just move the stick over and the restore will put zha just like it was on old machine

vocal canopy
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ok, thank you. I guess I'll have to recreate my dashboards and such but.. ah well!

mellow geode
mellow geode
vocal canopy
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My old instance was HA Core and was from 2021.5.5, which predates the current backup mechanism.

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I asked in the installation channel and was advised to not bother trying

mellow geode
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Well, the entity configurations are saved in HA's config (/config/.storage). You'll loose them if you set up a new HA instance

vocal canopy
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yes, I know this. It seems likely that trying to migrate .storage from my ancient version is likely to cause trouble.. then again, this is just a clean proxmox install and I could just wipe it and try again if I break stuff. 🤷🏻‍♂️

mellow geode
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Yeah, you can try to copy your old /config directory and see what happens.

ashen bluff
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I'd at least give it a try as well. It's probably simpler with a docker installation. Maybe don't start with the newest. Lots of breaking changes to read about though

crystal stratus
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Anyone have light strip recommendations. Looking for 10M preferably something that has a silicon sheath so I dont have to keep buying expensive strips when I move places. And ideally zigbee or maybe compatible with those cheap zigbee led controllers

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Its for my rental apartment room. The single fixture is dog shit and unfortunately for me is one of those flush kinds with a ring of smd leds otherwise I would have shoved some better bulbs in

topaz seal
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Anyone using the Osram Light Switch Mini? There was a way to turn off broadcast mode, so it doesn't turn on/off all Zigbee devices in the network. Think it was holding the middle and up botton for 3 seconds, but it doesn't work anymore. Got it to work once. Don't remember how anymore

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Ah got it somehow. Some weird button combo

topaz seal
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Any ZHA developer from Europe here that can help me out writing a quirk?

left magnet
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Hello! I am setting up a bench of zigbee devices with ZHA /raspbee2 on rasberri pi. I have a strange issue: there is a device called LTA001 that keeps appearing in my listed devices. It seems to be a philips hue bulb, but I do not own any! Might be from some neigbour (I live in an apparment), but it should not pair if not in pairing mode, and it should not stay in pairing mode forever, right ? I already removed it 4 or 5 times and it keeps showing up (over a week or so)

grim igloo
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I guess you can join it to a hue hub or secondary coordinator then unplug it if you have one

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Wonder if there’s a way to block the ieee tho

grim igloo
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i'm curious what @mellow geode suggests about 'rogue' hue bulbs joining the mesh lol

molten linden
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I have a rogue Sengled (sometimes 2) that join mine pretty much every time I enable joins. Z2M’s device block just sends a leave command if a device on the block list joins. I kick them off manually or leave the and they still come back as if I just join them they seem to get reset regularly 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

grim igloo
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TIL

ripe osprey
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The easiest way would be to let it join and just turn it on and off rapidly, so the person with it unscrews it 😄

low rock
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Hey guys. I need some tips on how to extend the range of an aqara temp/hum sensor.
I want it placed in a room below our carport. Kinda 50/50 under ground. Cant seem to get the signal through.

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Theres an Osram wall plug in the carport, just above it. But it doesnt seem to wanna route through that

grim igloo
sour shadow
mellow geode
# left magnet Hello! I am setting up a bench of zigbee devices with ZHA /raspbee2 on rasberri ...

It got your network key once when you were in pairing mode. If you remove it from your network, but the device doesn't receive that message, it'll only get removed from the UI. It still has the network key and can join the network at any time again.
So, you never got it to leave. Ideally, you should see if you can control it (maybe they're switching the light power on/off) and when you can control it, remove it from the network.

grim igloo
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Kinda seems like it should error out in z2m or zha vs fall off but still be paired

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Is this not up to the coordinator? No way it confirms?

mellow geode
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ZHA sends a leave request to the device and it factory resets if it gets that messages.
If it never gets the message though, what should the coordinator do? The bulb still has the key to your network. It can't remove that if it can't communicate with the device.

grim igloo
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Makes sense

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But to allow it back and able to communicate after the coordinator removing it seems wrong

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Can this not be remembered and all communication blocked / ignored from mesh?

mellow geode
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You can't block that though. Think of it like a house with a locked door. All devices on your network have the same key. You can only change the lock if you can't get someones key back.

grim igloo
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So it’s a protocol limitation

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Just poor implementation security wise

mellow geode
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Z2M "works around" it by having a block list and sending another leave request, as soon as it hears communication from a blocked device. It's not guaranteed that the device actually hears that leave request though.
For security, Zigbee isn't great. You network key is always sent (basically almost in clear text) every time a device joins. You just need to listen in.

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It's improved with Thread and the pairing codes on the devices.

grim igloo
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Thx for the clarification

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He also could simply be removing it and it then factory resetting and going into pairing mode too tho right?

potent echo
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Hey. I've just moved my Home Assistant. And everything worked fine for like a couple of hours. But after a while zigbee2mqtt stopped publishing messages. I still can recive messages. But I just cant sent any. Any ideas?

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failed (Data request failed with error: 'MAC channel access failure' (225))'

mellow geode
grim igloo
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Yea makes sense

potent echo
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I've disabled WLAN on the new server. All devices are found. All 25-30 of them

mellow geode
potent echo
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but it worked? And does it make sense when I still able to receive messages?

grim igloo
mellow geode
potent echo
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well well well. If this aint my new SSD i wanted to use as my external next cloud storage that is working against me. This makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

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I was like: I hadnt changed anything! Well ofc i did

grim igloo
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Make sure to escape a rack or other metal enclosures as well

left magnet
grim igloo
ripe osprey
grim igloo
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tbh julian knows more than both of us combined about zigbee and hue lol

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due to his efforts we (zha and z2m users) get hue device firmware updates

ripe osprey
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I'm just guessing, as i also used to have hue standalone lamp with Bluetooth connection. So i was just suggesting on why it might be in pairing mode (Not saying he is wrong on the factors)

left magnet
ripe osprey
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Hue requires the hub for control (Or HA). It only supports connecting to hub or Bluetooth, not possible to connect the switch without a hub AFAIK

mellow geode
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You can connect it to just a Hue dimmer. But it won't join other networks then.

uneven fable
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Bit of a strange one. I have 6 Zemismart ZM25RX-08/30 Zigbee blind motors. Have been working a treat, with HA pushing them out (as a group) to both GH and HK. Half of them are inverted but that was done on the motor itself, as far as z2m is concerned they're all open=100.
With a recent update, which I did whilst I was away (whoops!), the Minister for War and Finance has reported that they no longer "Open" or "Close" via HA or GH, but work fine through HK.
Testing shows that I can set to a % correctly in HA/GH/HK, but Open/Close is inverted in HA and GH.
EDIT: Already reported by the looks... https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/19539

ripe osprey
uneven fable
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It's been a while since I looked properly, but I reckon if you were starting from scratch and the Ikea ones fit/looked ok, just go them. I was retrofitting 6-12 existing blinds, and specifically wanted battery only so was limited in choices.

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... and didn't want the chain motor doovers everywhere

ripe osprey
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KADRILJ is not a black-out version

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However, if you need multiple of them, i would suggest looking for either going with a brand that's already wired, or look into modding the blinds to be wired (YT has them). Batteries last 4-6 months, but over time it's less and less, dropping down to once a month needing to be charged. Modding them to be plugged in at all times will save some nerves (Especially, if they are so high that you need stairs)

ripe osprey
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I am using Aqara E1 Thermostatic valves with Aqara themperature sensors

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Check DM, sent you some pictures, as there are multiple valve types, and some can be changed to have thermostatic valves attached

full needle
odd mango
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hi. I've moved from zha to z2m and trying to figure it out. The addon is working, I can pair and control the devices. I have installed mqtt integration, however none of the entities show up in HA. What am I missing?

violet dagger
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mqtt configuration in the addon?

odd mango
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documentation says I should leave default if I use mqt integration?
Do you have a link to config I could use?

violet dagger
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do you have the mqtt addon?

odd mango
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mosqquito, yes

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when installing mqtt integration, it is asking for broker address and login. What do I specify there?

opaque helm
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Any good alternative to sonoff ZBMINI relay switch?

violet dagger
opaque helm
violet dagger
lucid sparrow
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kind of a long shot, because I know gx53 isn't a popular light type.. I'm struggling to find zigbee or even wifi bulbs of this type 😐

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a russian guy has posted a PCB that you can make yourself, and I have a bunch of those boards, but I'm feeling a bit lazy about building them

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ive found this "prios" thing.. but they're all european sites and I don't think im going to get much luck shipping them to Australia .. cant find any on ebay, or aliexpress 😦

frigid mica
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Anyone have a Hue White and Color Ambiance GU10? If yes, pro's / con's? Looking to have it as an indoor spotlight for ambiance.

grim igloo
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no iirc their gu10 line are newer?

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i got two cheap athom gu10 rgbw for a half bath that work well but not the highest lumen

frigid mica
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What about the color

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I have all hue so far and I like the color quality

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I'll see what the lumen is for the new GU10

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250

grim igloo
mellow geode
# frigid mica Anyone have a `Hue White and Color Ambiance GU10`? If yes, pro's / con's? Look...

Yeah, I have 2nd gen GU10 bulbs. (the normal sized ones). Colors are great like all Hues. Brightness can be a bit dim if you only have one spot. IMO, it’s fine though.
If you have 2nd gen bulbs, definitely upgrade them to the latest firmware to get rid of power supply noises during idle.
3rd Gen are identical in size, but contain upgraded components. The coil whine is also completely fixed there apparently.

frigid mica
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good to know about the coil whine, that would annoy the shit out of me

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I'm just putting these in 3 corners of my house

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I have an open floorplan and 3 corners I want to illuminate

mellow geode
grim igloo
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yolo straight to gen3 then

frigid mica
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Seems I might need to buy one just to see the difference

frigid mica
grim igloo
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wonder what the price diff is

frigid mica
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they are all expensive

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so it doesn't matter 🤣

grim igloo
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julian do you know much about the new hue track light stuff?

mellow geode
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No, it’s way too expensive lol

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Like, normal Hue lamps are often reduced here (Germany). Track stuff never is I think

grim igloo
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but ignoring cost they should be solid as far as zigbee perf and color etc right?

grim igloo
mellow geode
grim igloo
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what does that mean :x

frigid mica
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what pixel do they use?

grim igloo
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idk

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they show up as sengled with mac address in unifi controller

mellow geode
frigid mica
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I bet they would be fine TBH, I've never tried WLED bulbs

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ah, if they are sengled, then the color is not as great for oranges

grim igloo
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but you use wled over mqtt so no issues for you i think

frigid mica
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oranges and yellows on sengled are more 'warm white and medium white' colors

grim igloo
grim igloo
mellow geode
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Ah, yeah. Inside the device. Just regarding your question with "Zigbee (performance)"

grim igloo
shrewd crypt
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I'm having a strange issue witha new GE Lamp Dimmer. In short, when I activate a scene containing this device, HA reports the device is on at 100% as specified, but the light itself does not turn on. I can directly control the device no problem (On/Off/Brightness), it's only the scene that failes to turn it on.

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idk if this is the best channel, but it's a zigbee device.

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using ZHA, btw

mellow geode
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Try the following: turn off the light, then do a light.turn_on service call with just brightness and see if the light turns on.

tawdry furnace
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Wondering if anyone here can help with a small but infuriating for my OCD problem in facing with my ZigBee lights,

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I've set up a few automations for turning on my lights, the automatons work, but some of the lights don't always go on, some of them flash on, and then go off again,

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What I'm struggling to understand is if I set up the automatons through Alexa instead, they have a tiny delay, but always come on,

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The lights are a set of 6 ZigBee lights, grouped into one light group

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For obvious reasons I'd rather have the lights work directly through home assistant rather than having to rely on Amazon server

proven mason
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im migrating from the sonoff zigbee zbdongle-p to the new skyconnect. what is the best practice here? do i convert my existing infrastucture to the skyconnect, backup, restore on a new box? it should also be said that im migrating hardware too (apu4 to nuc). HAOS for both.

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the other option is to restore to the new box, get the old antenna working AND THEN MIGRATE to the skyconnect? and i think theres a middle option: restore to new box and convert to SKY then

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so of the three options, whats the best to do a bare metal backup, restore to new bare metal, and convert zigbee?

austere patio
proven mason
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ok so backup and restore to new host/box with OLD radios

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then after its all working, swap the sonoff for the sky?

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do i have to do anything special when turning off the old box? or am i legit just taking to dongles and moving them over

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and do i do the restore first, then move the dongles?

oak condor
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I have a couple of devices on my zigbee2MQTT network that are having some problems. Is this the right place to ask for help in troubleshooting the issue? I haven't been able to find anything or figure it out.

sour shadow
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Yes

oak condor
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Thanks. I have Sengled bulb and a Third Reality Button that worked fine for a long time but a couple of months ago they stopped working when my HA server restarted after my weekly update. But, the bulb continues to work fine from Alexa commands. And, they both will work fine as before in about 24 hours. The bulb is on/off through an automation fired by the button. Again zigbee2MQTT and everything is current.

sour shadow
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  1. How many (Zigbee) routers do you have, and are they near (no more than one wall and 6 meters) the button and bulb?
  2. Have you checked for WiFi interference?
  3. You've got the coordinator on a USB extension cable?
oak condor
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I do have the coordinator on a USB extension. I'm new to zigbee so I'm not all that familiar with all the terms. My coordinator, which I assume is the device that's connected to my HA server is only about 20 feet down the hall from the two devices.

sour shadow
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20 feet is fine with one wall, maybe two if they're not brick/stone/concrete

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(there's a pinned message that covers the terms)

oak condor
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No, it's all indoors. Just drywall.

sour shadow
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And the second question?

oak condor
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OK. I'll look for the pinned message. How should I go about troubleshooting the potential for WiFi interference?

sour shadow
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Again another pin will help you, but a wifi scanner app is needed

oak condor
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I have Fing loaded up

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I'll use those pinned messages and do some trials. So, in reference to the router devices, I have some Third Reality plugs (outlet). Do those act as routers?

sour shadow
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Yes, they do

oak condor
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And, that basically extends the zigbee network, correct??

sour shadow
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Yes

oak condor
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OK. Great. I'll start spreading those around the house. One last Q for now....I also have Phillips Hue lights, but I'm not using them in my HA setup. They don't communicate at all in my HA zigbee network, do they??

sour shadow
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Only if you joined them to that mesh (so, if they're connected to the Hue Hub, no)

oak condor
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They are connected to the Hue hub for now. Thanks for your help.

proven mason
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how long does a restore take, been like an hour

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do i refresh the page or wait for the "restore in progress" page to change itself?

proven pelican
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I recently switched from Deconz to ZHA and things seemed a lot better compatability wise. Been running like that for a decent amount of time but I've been seeing stuff about Zigbee -> MQTT. being better Would it be worth the effort to migrate to that?

desert sleet
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Is there a list of devices I can look up?

sour shadow
sour shadow
ripe osprey
proven mason
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do i hit MIGRATE RADIO?

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eventhough its the same radio

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and its a restore to new host/bare metal?

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this is where i got lost before

proven pelican
sour shadow
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Well, ZHA is all your eggs in one basket

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Zigbee2MQTT is another piece of software, that stays running when HA goes down

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deCONZ is decoupled from HA

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Z2M is decoupled from HA

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ZHA is part of HA

proven pelican
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ah, ok gotcha

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So is there a benefit to decoupling? I honestly just want the best and closest to plug and play option. For example I had a motion detector that didn't work right with Deconz but seems to work fine with ZHA now that I've migrated. But lately I've been having some issues with some new lights I added.

sour shadow
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Zigbee2MQTT is another piece of software, that stays running when HA goes down

proven pelican
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I am pretty certain it's just interference (which I imagine changing to MQTT wouldn't help) but I figure if it's a better experience over all it's worth switching

sour shadow
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Also, you can run it remotely from HA

austere patio
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If your issues are feature related, some integrations/addons support different features for different devices

proven mason
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so i hit migrate radio

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do i want to reconfigure the current radio or migrate to a new radio?

austere patio
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If your issues are network related, switching software won't fix them

austere patio
proven mason
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this is NOT with the sky connect yet, just moving over the sonoff to make sure it all works

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we talked like two hours ago

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im doing the migration

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i did a backup on my old box, restore on the new box, used existing radios

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you advised me to NOT do the sky connect just yet

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bring over the sonoff and make sure everyone is working

austere patio
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Is everything working?

proven mason
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no

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lol

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i have to hit migrate radio right?

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in the new system?

austere patio
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Depends on what "doesn't work" means here

proven mason
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my zwave and zigbee arent loaded

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ok i didnt do anything and it just refreshed and is working

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its been about 15 minutes and it finally resolved itself

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i didnt know that

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ok so expected behavior is that its supposed to just work, this is news to me

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so at some point, how do i migrate to the skyconnect?

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do i remove the sonoff and plug in the sky and hit migrate radio?

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do i need both plugged in at the same time?

austere patio
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Hit the button and it'll walk you through the process and tell you when to plug in the new radio

proven mason
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for the old to new radio on the new box, right?

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things are working, should i wait a day before going to sky connect?

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and whats the order?

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do i remove the sonoff and plug in the sky and hit migrate radio?
do i need both plugged in at the same time?

sour shadow
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The Z2M add-on allows you to set some of that in the add-on UI I believe

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Otherwise... probably /config/zigbee2mqtt based on what others have posted

proven mason
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would like to move to my new skyconnect from the sonoff (and turn them into zigbee routers)

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do i swap the radios and hit migrate? or do i need them both plugged in?

sour shadow
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And HA is talking to the same broker?

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If you subscribe to zigbee2mqtt/+ in HA's MQTT debug tools (under the MQTT integration) and then use Z2M's UI to control a device, or wake/operate a sensor, do you see any MQTT messages?

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Yes

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Next test, install MQTT Explorer and use that

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Try zigbee2mqtt/# in the HA MQTT tool

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

sour shadow
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Please.... don't share text as images

rapid dawnBOT
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@warm quarry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
sour shadow
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.1 is the Supervisor (from memory) - that's fine

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Don't worry about that

austere patio
sour shadow
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33oipYMXSLjc2adXOuWFIK is maybe a problem, but if that's the supervisor then you can ignore it

proven mason
shrewd crypt
mellow geode
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Yeah, it was just to reproduce the issue without the scene stuff.

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The device firmware doesn’t follow spec then and likely just needs to be added to "force on lights" in ZHA light code

shrewd crypt
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ok. let me figure out how to do that

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@mellow geode I think I have done it correctly

mellow geode
shrewd crypt
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so I am adding that on line 37?

mellow geode
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ZHA light code needs to be modified in line 1075.
"Jasco Products" needs to be added to the list. It’s probably not easy to test that change for you though probably

shrewd crypt
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oh i see. how the heck do I access this file?

mellow geode
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It’s located in a different location depending on how you’re using HA. I think you can just copy the entire zha components folder from GitHub, make the change, then put that folder "zha" in your "custom_components" folder.
Then, you’ll also have to add a version in the manifest.json in the zha folder. Doesn’t matter what you put for version.
It’s not ideal of course, but might be the easiest way to test until the fix is made.

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You might be able to find more details by searching "override local component Home Assistant" or something like that.

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You can also modify the file directly, but that’s a bit more risky.

shrewd crypt
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ok. I think I can figure this out. Thank you.

shrewd crypt
mellow geode
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"Custom components" require a version in the manifest.json.
So you’ll need to add something like "version": "1.0", in the manifest.json of the ZHA component.
I can provide more detailed instructions (/download) to you tomorrow or so otherwise

shrewd crypt
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Yeah can I DM you tomorrow?

mellow geode
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Yeah

rapid reef
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Hey so i bought Radiator TRV /Thermostats 2 different kind, i bound them in via ZHA but both of them display the temperatur alright but setting temperature to the thermostat does not seem to work with either. Is there some mismatched Input output and how do i fix that

fathom ginkgo
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Anyone familiar with the namron dimmers? I am trying to dim them with a single button push-dim, but I am having some issues. Are they capable of brightness_move?

fathom ginkgo
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Anyway, I am fiddling around with brightness_move and I am noticing something very strange. publishing a payload with {"brightness_move": 100} should dim the lights with 100 units per second, aka 0-100% in 1 second I guess. But it dims very slowly, and when I watch the feedback value of the current light value it actually dims super fast.

And opposite if I use {"brightness_move": 1}, then the lights very fast, but the feedback value steps 1% per second.
And I have tested various different values for brightness_move and it seems to be opposite of each other like explained above. What kind of behaviour is this? This can't be right

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Btw, I am using Z2M

fathom ginkgo
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Okay, I think I got it working pretty good. Using "brightness_move": 50/-50 seems to be a sweetspot

wide mica
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Can anyone confirm if there's a purpose for enabling "permit join" on zigbee2mqtt on a specific routing devices vs. just "permit all"? My understanding is the zigbee mesh is "auto-healing" so joining a device via a specific router doesn't necessarily force it to stay that way.

mellow geode
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Older Aqara end-devices join via the first router they see and never switch

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For those older sensors, you might want to use that functionality

sour shadow
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I use that for every device, they can change later if they want

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Saves so much pain when a device joins with a weak signal, or when you're joining Aqara's OG devices

wide mica
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true, worth a shot. Having trouble diagnosing an issue with some Sengled bulbs but everything i see online mentions how they are typically pretty solid so feels like its a routing issue on my network.

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is there any way to get individual device routing info without reloading the whole map? assume there's no way to update routing info without rejoining the network?

molten talon
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claims to work with HA out of the box

spice portal
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Hello,

I did a fresh install of home assistant with the ZBDongle-E,EFR32MG21. It appears automatically in integrations, but doesn't seem to work? I see it in the list of devices in home assitant docs. Tried following a github issues https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/94614 and an empty form post https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-integration-this-is-a-bug-message/640258 with no success. Anyone know what to do?

bellows.ezsp.protocol] Unknown application frame 0x59FD received: b'3f' (b'023a89fd593f').  This is a bug!

Tried both stable and latest container tags

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No one answered him either...hmm...

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@hollow shale if you're still there, were you ever able to resolve this issue?

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I suppose the current consistency between them and me is the use of a container, so ill try one without that.

elder surge
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(randomly inserting my question) How much would zigbee screw up my 2.4 network if I started using it?

spice portal
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iirc its a different band entirely so it shouldn't but I could be wrong

elder surge
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Thought it used the same 2.4 as traditional APs?

spice portal
# 

You
does zigbee and wifi 2.4 use the same bands?
ChatGPT
ChatGPT
Yes, Zigbee and Wi-Fi 2.4 GHz do use the same frequency band. Both operate in the 2.4 GHz Industrial, Scientific, and Medical (ISM) radio bands. This means they can potentially interfere with each other, as they share the same frequency range. Zigbee typically uses narrower channels and less power compared to Wi-Fi, which is designed to minimize interference, but it can still be a factor in environments with many wireless devices.

Looks like I did not recall correctly

molten talon
molten talon
spice portal
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I did cross reference with this article,

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but there were a lot of ads

sour shadow
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There's overlap - see the pins - but Zigbee is lower power than WiFi so it won't cause WiFi issues, but will cause Zigbee issues, if you use the same frequencies

spice portal
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Hmm, looks like home assistant on rpi works ok. It did detect an existing configuration in the device. So whatever was in the container partially worked.

elder surge
sour shadow
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Are you using 40 MHz channels?

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Are you running on more than 3 different 2.4 GHz channels?

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If the answer to both is no then you'll be fine - again, look at the pinned image

fallen kite
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Ok, I installed home assistant

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I installed home assistant os on a raspberry pi

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I have a usb zigbee device connected

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it sees it

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I've added a zibee device

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Now, how do I get the devices out on MQTT?

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I don't have the hass.io visible on the left pane of the web interface either..

hollow shale
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I'm not 100% sure this still happens though, haven't restarted my Home Assistant in a while.

fallen kite
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"~

sour shadow
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Now, how do I get the devices out on

carmine hamlet
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I'm surprised that video hasn't died of old age. It would be nice if you could mark technical videos like that with an expiration, where it would pop up a warning that it's super old and things may have changed. Same with Github, if they could post a "this thing you're looking at hasn't been updated in 4 years..." message

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like is done for addons, where if no changes are made in a year, it's automatically marked as "stale (xxxx)"

ripe osprey
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I mean, youtube has a time of "1 year ago" attached under outdated videos 😄

sour shadow
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Yeah, but a 1 year old cooking video is likely still good. A 1 year old HA video...

mighty river
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anyone here with a neo coolcam siren?

mighty river
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What's CRI?

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I have hue bulbs and I think that they're great 👍🏻

astral seal
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Color Rendering Index (CRI) is a measurement of how natural colors render under an artificial white light source when compared with sunlight. The index is measured from 0-100, with a perfect 100 indicating that colors of objects under the light source appear the same as they would under natural sunlight.

lilac rapids
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I have this https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Aqara_SRSC-M01.html

I wanted to use it with ZHA, it pairs fine and it works with a Up/down/Stop button

But I cannot set arbritary positions, it exposes a number sensor that shows the numeric position but it is read only.

Anyone know if I can fix this?

elder surge
left magnet
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hello everybody. I continue fighting with my zigbee network 😦 The very frustrating thing is that it worked fine for a year and an half, and then I started loosing connection to devices without really knowing what could have changed. I am using a raspbee II on raspberry pi4 and ZHA (recent migration). It starts to be problematic as I mainly use the zigbee for automating the control of a grow tent for hibernating orchideas. And winter is coming :-(. I tried to put the raspberry further away from other devices than it was. I tried adding more devices acting as repeater. I forced my wify on channel 1 and zigbee on 25. I moved all possible devices to the 5GHz wifi. I do not see a major difference so far. What I desperately miss is a systematic way of investigating signal losses

sour shadow
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Not using 40 MHz. I am using 1,6,11

vale nova
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960 fps

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I dont think the light flickers but the slomo video does

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And I've never noticed any flicking with my eyes

austere patio
shut maple
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My device is from Ali and I got it by

carmine hamlet
rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

vale nova
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because there are colorblind people I can't post a video of a lightbulb?

carmine hamlet
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See the first line there. People try to post images of text all the time

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Anyway, instructions are there

snow goblet
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My only current zigbee issue is with remote switch buttons. The aqara and sonoff zigbee buttons work most of the time, and sometimes they just don't until a few button presses.

vale nova
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I sent a slow motion video but it got deleted by RobC

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i'll DM you

hollow sorrel
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Hey! I have some LED lights built into a kitchen cabinet and want to control them via Zigbee. The bulbs themselves are some bespoke thing so I can't get Zigbee bulbs, but there is an "electronic led converter" hidden behind the cabinet that takes in mains power and spits out whatever the LEDs want. I looked into replacing the converter with a Zigbee version but then I thought it might be easier to put a Zigbee switch in series with it. Question 1: is this a good idea, question 2: should I put the switch at the mains end or the led end, question 3: can you recommend a good switch?

astral seal
iron mauve
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Hey folks - I've got two Zigbee devices that are just stuck spinning, apparently installing an update. Attempting to do OTA update through Zigbee2MQTT doesn't seem to do anything, powering off device and back on doesn't change what HA is reporting that is "installing an update". One is GL-C-008P (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/GL-C-008P.html#gledopto-gl-c-008p) and the other is Innr SP 224 (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/SP_224.html#innr-sp%2520224). This has been occuring since the last HA Core Beta Update IIRC (but could have been a zigbee2mqtt update too), about a week or two ago and persists through HA restarts and the like. Here is a picture of what I am seeing: https://imgur.com/a/8eJgp9S

Any ideas?

hollow sorrel
astral seal
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Are those the only lights on that switch or does that switch also run like overhead lights and stuff?

left magnet
left magnet
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I have a question reg. the visualization of the zigbee network in the ZHA integration. The documentation is not very helpful (aka "you can look at it, but if you are not an expert, you will not understand", describes two numbers; one of those should be negative between 0 and -100, while the only numbers I see are positive and between 0 and 255 ... I also see lines of various colour (green yellow red grey). My naive interpretation would be that I shall try to distribute devices in such a way that they are connected to the coordinator via a path of green lines ? Are orange still OK ? Is this true ?

mighty river
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Hi there
Any chane you know when conbee III (conbee 3 - for search engine) will be supported in home assistant?

sour shadow
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Possibly ZHA already will support it, since it uses a common chipset

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But ... based on history, don't buy ConBee 😉

mighty river
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Ugh. What do you mean? I am happy conbee II user, never had any issues. Maybe because of that I never looked for known issues

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If not conbee, then what?

sour shadow
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Well, the ConBee range are known to be overly sensitive to interference, there's currently no reason to expect the 3 to be better

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Just buy something EZSP based - there's one list in the ZHA docs

mighty river
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Thanks a lot @sour shadow Will do

plain latch
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morning folks

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I'm running z2m, and it somehow seems to be reporting that all my devices with available firmware updates are currently in "installing" state

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can I reset the update state somehow? that spinner is really distracting while looking at other updates

sour shadow
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1.33.3 will fix that

plain latch
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ah, perfect, I love problems that are already fixed by somebody else 🙂

sour shadow
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Looks like 1.33.3 should drop "soon"

plain latch
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yeah, the tag looks like some automation should be picking it up soon, I'm happy knowing that it'll be fixed with the next update

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it's not that any functionality is broken, so nothing urgent 🙂

mighty river
sour shadow
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That dongle is fine

left magnet
sour shadow
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Probably, and more on a Pi4 or newer

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Zigbee HATs can't be moved away from the RF noise of your Pi, they're a terrible idea

ashen bluff
crude violet
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Is it only me with z2m that after restart of z2m some devices even if they are working via z2m gui appear unavailable in hass. So far 100% becomes available if I rename deivce and back, or from several z2m restarts. Its getting a bit annoying, I am just finishing up this project, with lots of devices, and then I though its final days, now after 1.33.2 this comes out which completly makes everything... 😖

sour shadow
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You're using add-ons, specifically the Mosquitto add-on?

crude violet
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Nope, z2m in docker and EMQX for MQTT, already encountered mosquitto issue

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checked topics of device and it says unavailable inside, so its z2m side which reports unavailable

sour shadow
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Ah... weird, not seen that in Z2M

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The known problem relates to the Mosquitto broker and a large number of retained messages

crude violet
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Yeah encountered that, switched to EMQX 😄

sour shadow
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I've got about 100 devices in Z2M, never seen the problem you're describing, and not seen people report it in the Z2M Discord either

crude violet
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have u enabled availability?

sour shadow
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Of course

crude violet
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I have total 500 devices through 6 x z2m instances 😄

sour shadow
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That wins the "biggest setup" prize

crude violet
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thats bit commercial setup 😄

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Apartment building

sour shadow
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That explains it 😄

crude violet
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yeah ikea lights and motion sensors

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I am trying to finish this project, for a month now, every time I am feeling like done its working I am getting hit with something which out of my control 😄

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also today z2m crashed with not even full error message, which was really strange

sour shadow
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What coordinators are you using?

crude violet
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TubeZB

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Poe

sour shadow
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Ok, so not that then... was afraid you'd say Sonoff 😄

crude violet
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Had that at the beginning when didnt knew about the limits of zigbee 😄

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hmm why after 180 devices everything started to not work correctly 😄 Also layout of connection map was not great 😄

sour shadow
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Yeah, there's an active supporter on the Z2M Discord with a few hundred devices who learned that depending on your devices you may have to split the mesh once you pass 100

crude violet
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poor ikea lights were abused hard which where repeating

sour shadow
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I haven't tried graphing my mesh in a long time, not since it basically busied out for many minutes

crude violet
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yeah it was running for ages

sour shadow
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Yeah, mostly Innr for the backbone here

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The Tradfri/Ikea bulbs have a known firmware issue that can cause them to silently stop routing traffic

crude violet
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havent encountered that

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the only issue I have is sometimes they just dont want to connect and stay like that until power reset

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I am sitting now here and thinking how overkill would be place a whole lighting circuit on "smart switch" 😄

grim igloo
crude violet
austere patio
austere patio
mighty river
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Thanks!
So you want to say that it is not as bad as they say? 😉

round grotto
#

Hey, I have 3 devices (from Z2M) that are shown to be updating in Home Assistant, but they are not because I didnt trigger the update, is this a known bug?

sour shadow
dim ingot
#

In the Z2M docs - eg https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/CCTFR6100Z3.html - it talks about some attibrutes which is says " Reading (/get) this attribute is not possible." but I have that TRV and it certainly does show pi_heating_demand and local_temperature in the attributes. Is the doc wrong or is there some nuance of Z2M which I'm not grasping ? Thanks.

sour shadow
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That means you can't ask for an update

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Sure, the device sends updates, when it wants to. You can't ask it what the current value is

dim ingot
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ah, ok. makes sense

next kraken
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Hi - have a Hue Bloom LLC011 and would like to ditch the Hue Hub v1.
I also have a sonoff zigbee hub with Tasmota on it-it runs the majority of my zigbee lights.
How do I pair the bloom with the sonoff/Tasmota zigbee hub.

ripe osprey
next kraken
ripe osprey
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If it's connected to the hub, you can factory reset it inside hue app

next kraken
ripe osprey
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Internet seems full of this bulb having difficulties resetting without a dimmer switch, so your best bet would be to get a dimmer swiitch of sorts, unless someone else has any other ideas

left magnet
next kraken
sour shadow
ripe osprey
left magnet
sour shadow
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For ZHA, sure

left magnet
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Arrived at that point, I wonder how come it actually worked flawlessly for 1.5 years before starting to make problem. 🤷‍♀️

austere patio
left magnet
austere patio
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Right. But from the energy scan in your debug above, channel 26 is nearly 100% utilized. It's right next to 25.

left magnet
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how do you see that (not that I don't trust you, but I'd like to learn...)

austere patio
left magnet
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I see. interesting 🙂 Is this likely to be neigbours ? I am in an appartment. we had some changes in the house, so we might have some of the newcomers wit a lot of zigbee devices

next kraken
austere patio
left magnet
austere patio
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There haven't been any software changes in many months related to device functionality, especially with a Raspbee, so it's very likely something new in your environment

left magnet
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"energy_scan": {
"11": 65.88235294117646,
"12": 36.470588235294116,
"13": 25.88235294117647,
"14": 28.235294117647058,
"15": 97.6470588235294,
"16": 35.294117647058826,
"17": 31.764705882352942,
"18": 22.352941176470587,
"19": 30.58823529411765,
"20": 29.41176470588235,
"21": 17.647058823529413,
"22": 44.705882352941174,
"23": 32.94117647058823,
"24": 20.0,
"25": 27.058823529411764,
"26": 97.6470588235294

austere patio
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Looks like the noise source on channel 26 (and likely above) is still there and very constant

left magnet
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looks like things are changing. I shall maybe try to observe it a bit over time. And I'll get the sonoff coordinator, it cannot harm to have a better one than the raspbee

austere patio
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I would try changing the channel to 20 first. You can replace the coordinator but that won't help devices already installed in your home to communicate better, especially if they're struggling due to noise

left magnet
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I was thinking to do both at once, coz I am a bit tired of reconnecting everybody 😉 So only do it once

austere patio
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Changing channels from the ZHA configuration page should also migrate most devices on your network to the new channel after about an hour, assuming they support channel migration

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Switching coordinators definitely won't require re-joining anything, especially if you upgrade your Rapsbee's firmware to the latest version so that a proper backup can be made

left magnet
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OK, you won, i change channel now. From ZHA graphical display of the network, are the color of the lines joining devices interpretable (like green good, yellow OK red bad and grey awful)?

mellow geode
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not really

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It’s supposed to be like that, but you shouldn’t rely on it

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It’s also not a live map

left magnet
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😢 sad. It looks so nice and easilly understandable

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I am lost

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I migrated from channel 25 to channel 20. It looks like the devices followed, at least I tested one of each type and could control them. But now there is more on channel 25 and less on channel 20

austere patio
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Devices emit noise when they transmit so that's normal. Your network is just further away from the noisy channel 26

left magnet
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"energy_scan": {
"11": 38.8235294117647,
"12": 34.11764705882353,
"13": 25.88235294117647,
"14": 28.235294117647058,
"15": 54.11764705882353,
"16": 50.588235294117645,
"17": 32.94117647058823,
"18": 28.235294117647058,
"19": 30.58823529411765,
"20": 21.176470588235293,
"21": 28.235294117647058,
"22": 37.64705882352941,
"23": 31.764705882352942,
"24": 23.529411764705884,
"25": 32.94117647058823,
"26": 97.6470588235294

rigid wagon
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Zoon getting my ugz-01 coordinator. Wonder if opinions on z2m vs zha changed? I found that quite some people said zha wasmt so reliable or stable.

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I have like 60 zigbee devices and come from smartthings, so have to choose the best software.

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Also is there a way to see what channel fits best to start occupying?

austere patio
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The integration has next to no control over your network's reliability or stability, that's entirely determined by your environment and how you join your devices. When you set up a new ZHA network, it will pick the best channel for you.

left magnet
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OK, now I need to see how it evolves over time... I fear my aqara temperature sensor did not migrate. In order to check how the devices work, I am looking at the history, displaying the state of swiches and bulb, which shows when they are on / off or unavailable. Wouls there be a better way ?

austere patio
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They take up to an hour to potentially migrate. I would just wait an hour or two and see what devices are still reporting.

left magnet
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I'll wait a night, since it is 10 pm 😉

olive flower
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ZHA ZigBee Binding?

tiny timber
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Got a new neighbour who has set his 2.4GHz WiFi across channels 5-12 and seems to be broadcasting at high power >_< Guess I need to re-do my ZigBee network. Seems like as good a time as any to retire the Conbee II and set up the Skyconnect that's been sitting in a draw for a year.

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Question for everyone here though: stick to ZHA, or move to Z2M? I know Skyconnect isn't officially/stably supported in Z2M yet. Any real benefit of moving to Z2M?

summer forge
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Recently bought a new generic thermostat, but i can't seem to set it up. Doesn't seem to create any entities; https://ibb.co/992XHbV , how can i get it to work?

grizzled kettle
summer forge
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However, two questions; How do i access the config dir of my HA and how do i edit my yaml file? Running HA OS on a VM at the moment

left magnet
tidal dove
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Hello, I’m experiencing an issue with my ZigBee system where it keeps forgetting individual devices. I’m using a Sonoff Plus E Dongle, and I’ve recently learned that it can support a maximum of 32 child devices. Could someone guide me on how to check the current number of child devices connected to the dongle and if I’m exceeding this limit? Thanks in advance for any help!

tiny timber
ornate sage
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Trådfri remote battery reports 128% charged and 25V 🧐

uneven sonnet
rocky forge
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Can some one give me a hand creating a quirk? I have been having a go and it matches the endpoints and gets loaded to the device. My custom cluster is passed on and it shows the 3 attributes I have created. But when I try to read the values of the attributes it reports none. Without the quirk if I use zha_toolkit to read the attribute of the cluster without the quirk loaded it reports a value.

manic plinth
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I'm getting this error when I want to restart HA:

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The system cannot restart because the configuration is not valid: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for dictionary value @ data['zha']['custom_quirks_path']. Got '/homeassistant/zha_quirks/'. (See /config/configuration.yaml, line 28).

unreal sedge
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So after reading through the pinned posts and channel topic, What's wrong with using CC2530's as end devices for stuff like temperature modules?

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is it just people wanting to use them as coordinators that's causing issues?

manic plinth
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zha: custom_quirks_path: /homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks and this is in config.yaml

mellow geode
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Are you using Home Assistant OS?

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Then use /config/custom_zha_quirks

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Also make sure the custom_zha_quirks folder is created

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In your case, the part doesn’t resolve to a folder

manic plinth
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It had something to do with the File Editor addon in the end, but thanks for your help

shadow valley
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i have an issue with my namron zigbee heaters that they report bad energy usage values now and then. which then makes the energy dashboard look a bit strange (for instance it reported that one of the heaters had consumed 3.500 kwh just today)

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which is impressive, considering that it's a 1000W heater

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so i was wondering if it was a way to filter out those bad readings?

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i guess i need to create filter sensors?

still barn
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does anyone have any aqara zigbee leak sensors that can check to see how they show up on the zha visualization map for me?

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for whatever reason the one i have been testing never shows up with a link line

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i have been having issues with it losing connectivity so I recently added an aeotec extender nearby to help my zigbee network

thorny tendon
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Hi having problem adding my zigbee device & noticed this crash in the logs

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Sonoff zigbee bridge pro - tasmota - ZHA bug

strong mango
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I am having an issue where z2mqtt won't start after doing a hardware swap. Setup the new pc with homeassistant and installed my backup and did all the updates. Wierd thing is all my zigbee Ikea devices and automations are working. No errors in the logs either. I have some new hue switches coming and need to be able to add them.
Can anyone give me a direction here?
Thanks

sour shadow
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If Z2M won't start then there's going to be a log about that

strong mango
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only have 2 errors in the ha log related to z2mqtt. Both are about blueprints. The zigbee logs shows no errors as well. I get a 502 error and iit refses to start

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actually its not even giving the 502 just the turning icon but then it just goes away

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The only thing that has changed in the config other then the pc itself is the ip. Which i did make sure to change in the setup. the hardware logs sees the dongle and shows it correctly and that matche the setup as well.

sour shadow
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Not the HA log... the Z2M log

strong mango
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can i post it here?

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

strong mango
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Ok got it on paste. How to share it here? Just copy the link?

sour shadow
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Yes

strong mango
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Thanks

sour shadow
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Kill the debug and just provide a normal log

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(at least, kill the herdsman debug)

strong mango
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K, one sec

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Just restarting to get a clean log. Thanks for your time

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Still seems to be a rather large log

sour shadow
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That looks no differernt

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Also looks like Z2M is running, hence all the herdsman log lines

strong mango
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I turned off herdsman and logs

sour shadow
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Well, did you look at that before you pasted it?

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Because it's pretty much onlyl herdsman

strong mango
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Sort of its huge. Lol

sour shadow
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105 lines, not huge

strong mango
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Is there a way to clear the log?

sour shadow
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When Z2M restarts the log is cleared

strong mango
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I turned everything and rebooted but same

sour shadow
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info  2022-10-04 13:08:34: Logging to console and directory: '/app/data/log/2022-10-04.13-08-34' filename: log.txt
info  2022-10-04 13:08:34: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.28.0 (commit #03ba647)
info  2022-10-04 13:08:34: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.62)
info  2022-10-04 13:08:37: zigbee-herdsman started (resumed)
info  2022-10-04 13:08:37: Coordinator firmware version: '{"meta":{"maintrel":3,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":6,"product":0,"revision":20190619,"transportrev":2},"type":"zStack12"}'
info  2022-10-04 13:08:37: Currently 1 devices are joined:
info  2022-10-04 13:08:37: 0x0015bc001a01e59c (0x0015bc001a01e59c): MOSZB-140 - Develco Motion sensor (EndDevice)
info  2022-10-04 13:08:37: Zigbee: disabling joining new devices.
info  2022-10-04 13:08:38: Connecting to MQTT server at mqtt://192.168.42.30
info  2022-10-04 13:08:38: Connected to MQTT server
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That's what a normal log startup shows

strong mango
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Will try a reboot again

lethal sand
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hey Tinkerer by your response in #hardware-archived do you mean read the pinned messages like your blog or did you mean ask the question here again

sour shadow
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Here, if you tell us your country

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Cheap Zigbee plugs tend to be ... not good

lethal sand
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well i am from the netherlands and i wanted to go with zigbee 3.0 and then the cheap ones, but why are they bad, electrically or the smarts perform bad?

strong mango
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The log is not clearing on reboot

sour shadow
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Instead by Innr

sour shadow
lethal sand
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how about sonoff? i quite like their name..

sour shadow
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Did you not read what I wrote?

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No... clearly not

strong mango
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Yes sir. Can see the icon

sour shadow
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Well, if it's trying to start you'll see lines like the ones I shared

lethal sand
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i read "just dont buy tuya" i understand the sentence now, thank you but that is unfortunate

sour shadow
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Sonoff are known to be shitty routers, and can fuck over your mesh

strong mango
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It def is. An icon shows turning in a circle over the start button but then just stops (times out)

sour shadow
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Then you need to check the Supervisor logs

strong mango
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Mine is a sonoff as well lol

sour shadow
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The Sonoff E stick is fine. Everything else they've made is suspect at best, and known to be bad at worst.

strong mango
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Supervisor logs show a ton of warnings. No red

lethal sand
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i wanted to go with the skyconnect from home assistant, is that bad or smart or not that dumb?

strong mango
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What's weird is all my Z2m devices are working

sour shadow
sour shadow
strong mango
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But no interface

lethal sand
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do you have any recommendations to cross a backyard? 5/6 meters

sour shadow
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Innr, still 😛

lethal sand
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but i meant do i just add smart plugs as routers? or any other better method

sour shadow
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Tube also sells dedicated router devices

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Or you can buy some CC2652 coordinators and flash them with router firmware

lethal sand
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a weather proof innr smart plug costs the same and is already weather proof
any advantage from the tube coordinators/routers like signal range?

sour shadow
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Plugs aren't weatherproof unless you put them in a suitable enclosure

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Dedicated routers tend to be better routers, and have stronger signals

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(at least those with external antennas)

lethal sand
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thank you

warped fable
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Anyone know of a Zigbee 3 way toggle switch to replace existing?
Only thing I have found is Enbrighten

molten linden
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inovelli blue can work in a 3 way

warped fable
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Thanks, just looked at them. I should have added I will be controlling a ceiling fan.

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that has lights

ocean storm
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Is it possible that skyconnect Zigbee cannot find Xiaomi door sensors? I think about be a Aqara Door sensor instead. Is Aqara a good brand for skyconnect

carmine hamlet
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The coordinator (i.e., Skyconnect) isn't the determining factor, it's the software that you're using to control it (i.e., Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA)

mighty river
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hi everyone, i set up home assistant today and i am really enjoying it so far! however i have one RGBW contoller with a seperate white channel, but i have no way of controlling the white channel in the interface. also, when i select a color and try to use the dimming function, the color changes to white. i am using ZHA. does anyone know a workaround for these types of issues? the device in question is TS0504B by _TZB210_zdvrsts8

grim igloo
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you have discovered tuya lol

grim igloo
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julian will now explain how or add support for you cuz he's a wizard

mellow geode
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_TZB210_zdvrsts8 is the manufacturer name that responds to RGB mode, not RGBW.

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Can you change it on the device? And then (remove +) re-pair the device?

mighty river
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wow thanks for all the responses!

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i can controll the white channel seperatelly using a remote that came with it

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i will try repairing the device and if that doesnt help will look into zha-quirks

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thanks for your help :)

grim igloo
mighty river
grim igloo
mighty river
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sounds great! what yould be a good way to verify if a zigbee device works well with home assistant? are there some manufacturers to generally avoid (like tuya ^^)

grim igloo
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sonoff is a bad word for most of their hardware too

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philips hue is gold standard for zigbee

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but you pay for it 😦

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in usa?

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for smart plugs with energy monitoring third reality are highly suggested

mighty river
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oh no i bought 4 sonoff devices and my coordinator is also sonoff lol

grim igloo
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sonoff end devices are usually shit (like sensors)

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i used a sonoff p dongle (cc2652p chipset) for over a year without any issues

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their e dongle is the efr32 based which i'm guessing you're using with zha

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it works fine too but cool kids use a PoE based coordinator these days

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@tube here makes them and provides good support

mighty river
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woah thats expensive

grim igloo
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it be like that

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a lot of the price is the olimex PoE esp32 board he tags onto

mighty river
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how do you add it into home assistant? i had to pass through the usb device to my docker container

grim igloo
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tcp

mighty river
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ok

grim igloo
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serial:
  port: tcp://10.10.10.100:6638
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benefit of a PoE coordinator is mostly for central location

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and no more usb port to cause interference

mighty river
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nope no usb extension cable ^^

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not having any issues so far though

grim igloo
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it's a requirement not a suggestion.. go get one lol

mighty river
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:D

grim igloo
mighty river
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regarding the sonoff devices, i did notice the temperature/humidity sensor is way off

grim igloo
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it's not just usb 3.x ports either. SSDs also cause a lot of interference and escaping a rack is 100% necessary

mighty river
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will have to get a new one

grim igloo
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interference is the #1 issue we see here

mighty river
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ok good to know

grim igloo
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ye

grim igloo
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their entire zigbee 3.0 line is really popular

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their door/window sensors, motion sensors, temp/humidity

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they even sell a $100 zigbee cat feeder with zha/z2m support lol

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you can also buy their cheaper older zigbee 1.2 lineup - the door/motion sensors are very popular

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on sale they are like $5 each so pretty hard to beat. i have multiple including using one on my mailbox using a hue bulb out front as a repeater

mighty river
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sounds good!

astral seal
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Yeah those Sonoff temp/humidity sensors are terrible. Mine do OK for temp but they're terrible on humidity. I've had good luck with their S31 Lite ZB plugs, but ymmv on those some people have had issues with them black-holing routes, maybe that's been fixed with newer firmware idk. I've also got a couple of the zbmini-L2 light switch modules and those work pretty good.

finite pawn
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Is there some way to look monitor or log all the zigbee signals in my zigbee network?

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I have these Philips Hue bulbs (7 of them I think) that will be turned off and then every once in a while they will just flash twice for like a tenth of a second each time and then turn off again

astral seal
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Is there any easy way to migrate from ZHA to z2m or am I going to be stuck resetting and repairing everything? Wish I'd gone with z2m from the start since it's super easy to write herdsman converters for unsupported devices but live and learn I guess.

topaz seal
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Does anyone know how to expose custom attributes from Zigpy to ZHA and can point me in the right direction?

weary flicker
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Hi,
I can't get my sonoff zigbee dongle plus-P to work on homeassistant core. At startup, it is automatically recognized by ZHA. But when I configure it, I get an error message: "Error parsing USB device".
Do you have an idea of ​​the problem?

I have already tried changing the USB port and using an extension cable, without success.

lean belfry
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what does homeassustant skyconnect pop up as in unraid?

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it pops up as Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge for me

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i belive it said something like skyconnect before

lean belfry
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unraid wont find it for some reason

weary flicker
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it appears like:
/dev/ttyUSB0 - Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, s/n: 506a63fbfd44ed1197a6c6c90a86e0b4 - ITead
Next I have to choose the type of zigbee radio so ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 for dongle plus-P

crisp gull
mighty river
# mighty river hi everyone, i set up home assistant today and i am really enjoying it so far! h...

@grim igloo regarding this issue i was unable to resolve the issue by repairing the device / trying some reset options suggested in the manual. i have been looking into zha quirks, but i am not sure i will be able to come up with something that will let me control the RGB brightness and white brightness separately since as @mellow geode said there seems to be no support for the white channel to be controlled separately. I think the simplest solution is to return the controller and go with something else.

lean belfry
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really weird that my homeassistant stick wont pop up

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can it be a driver issue?

mighty river
lean belfry
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yeah its the chip that skyconnect use

mighty river
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i assume you would have to pass the device through to the vm/container you are running homeassistant in as well.

lean belfry
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yeah i try to do that

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i switched computers

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so i had unraid running on another computer

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but switched to another one

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the unraid sees the aeoteck zwave stick

mighty river
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so the skyconnect is not recognised in the new computer? do you see the device with lsusb?

lean belfry
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i see the device

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but the name is not correct i belive

mighty river
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:/

lean belfry
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what does it pop up as for u?

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Bus 009 Device 003: ID 0557:7000 ATEN International Co., Ltd Hub
Bus 009 Device 002: ID 0930:6545 Toshiba Corp. Kingston DataTraveler 102/2.0 / HEMA Flash Drive 2 GB / PNY Attache 4GB Stick
Bus 009 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 010 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 004: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge
Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0658:0200 Sigma Designs, Inc. Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 (ZW090) - UZB
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub```
mighty river
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Bus 005 Device 004: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge that looks good

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i use a different coordinator

lean belfry
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i will try it again

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huh now it works 😄

mighty river
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:D

somber river
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I seem to be struggling with signal range out in my garage. I put a lamp out there with zigbee-bulb to extend the range and the light responds to input as expected but I still struggle with getting my Aqara door-sensor to register consistently. Is there anything I'm misunderstanding here or is perhaps my the signal not strong enough for my bulb to route properly?

austere solstice
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Hello, first time posting here: I bought a Nedix ZBSM20WT motion / brightness detector and I'm having trouble getting it work. So far I have concluded that I need to create a custom quirk for it. I searched the zigby/zha-device-handlers repo and found an existing one that looked promising and then copied the file to my /config/custom_quirks folder and updated configuration.yaml to point to it.. but when I went to reload HA, I get the following error:

austere solstice
austere solstice
astral seal
molten linden
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Technically yes the network will survive but z2m won’t have the records in its db for the devices you have. You could try and permit joins for a while and maybe it will help populate but you will likely have to re-pair devices.

austere patio
hollow escarp
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Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with ongoing issues I'm having with my Zigbee network. I've tried all the troubleshooting steps I've been able to find online, and it still keeps happening, so it's getting quite frustrating!

Every now and then, sometimes hours, sometimes a couple of weeks, it generally seems to happen when there's a lot of commands going on in the network, my Zigbee network becomes unresponsive. The first sign is usually that all my Innr-branded light bulbs start winking every ten seconds or so, which makes something of a disco since I have very many of them. The zigbee2mqtt debug logs don't tell me anything useful I can work out, but I daresay they might tell someone more experienced than me what the issue is.

Once this issue occurs, restarting the co-ordinator (e.g. power cycling it), restarting the add-on (Stop, wait, Start, or using the Restart button) or restarting Home Assistant (either a quick reload, or a Restart, or rebooting the Pi) don't reliably fix the issue in any sequence or pattern I've been able to identify, though eventually after trying them many times it will start running again. In the past, all of them have worked on their own at least once, but they are not reliable repairs.

It feels like the network has become less reliable as it's grown larger (at ~60 devices), but the first instabilities also happened around the time of a house move and it's hard to be sure

My setup:
Pi 4 with 3A official power supply running Home Assistant OS with the Zigbee2mqtt Addon, OS on a SATA SSD with a USB3.0 adapter
A quality CC2652 adapter. Until today, this was an Electrolama ZZH USB one, but today I switched to a new Zigstar UZG-01 ethernet co-ordinator
A Zigbee network of ~75 devices, of which 45 are powered routers, and ~30 are battery devices. Devices include Innr GU10 bulbs (24 of them), Hue bulbs, IKEA buttons and a bulb, and quite a few SONOFF and TuYa TH sensors, motion sensors, door and window sensors etc

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... Things I have tried:

  • Move co-ordinator away from WiFI interference. I have done this, moving the router so that there wasn't another WiFi device in the same room as the co-ordinator
  • More zigbee routers. My network has dozens of routers, spread fairly evenly through a mid-sized house with reasonably low-impedance internal walls
  • Avoid USB3.0 interference. I always used the electrolama zzh adapter with a shielded USB cable, at a distance. Now I am on an ethernet Zigbee co-ordinator, the Zigstar UZG-01, nowhere near any USB or WiFi devices, so this is completely eliminated
  • Stronger power supply. I always use an official 3A Pi power supply, and tried powering each (and both) of the SSD and Electrolama ZZH from a powered USB hub. None of this seemed to make any difference, and now I'm on the Zigstar, which should eliminate this concern completely
  • Updating stick firmware and Zigbee2Mqtt. I've done this multiple times. The add-on is kept up to date and the issue has been recurring over months. Both zigbee co-ordinators have been flashed to the latest firmware, the new UZG-01 was flashed yesterday
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Here's a snippet of the z2m debug log at the moment of failure, I'm not sure what the best way to send a larger chunk of logs is but this might help someone. The word "error" does not appear in the file before this.

debug 2023-11-18 13:44:03: Retrieving state of 'kitchen/cooker_hood/downlight1' after reconnect
error 2023-11-18 13:44:06: Publish 'set' 'color_temp' to 'kitchen/all_spots' failed: 'Error: Command 5 lightingColorCtrl.moveToColorTemp({"colortemp":224,"transtime":450}) failed (SRSP - AF - dataRequestExt after 6000ms)'
debug 2023-11-18 13:44:06: Error: Command 5 lightingColorCtrl.moveToColorTemp({"colortemp":224,"transtime":450}) failed (SRSP - AF - dataRequestExt after 6000ms)
    at Timeout._onTimeout (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/waitress.ts:64:35)
    at listOnTimeout (node:internal/timers:559:17)
    at processTimers (node:internal/timers:502:7)```
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If anyone is able to help me fix this once and for all, I would be extremely grateful!

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When it gets into this state, the add-on gets stuck in a restart loop with the following messages:

debug 2023-11-18 13:48:25: Loaded state from file /config/zigbee2mqtt/state.json
info  2023-11-18 13:48:25: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-11-18.13-48-25' filename: log.txt
debug 2023-11-18 13:48:25: Removing old log directory '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-11-18.13-29-43'
info  2023-11-18 13:48:25: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.33.2 (commit #unknown)
info  2023-11-18 13:48:25: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.21.0)
debug 2023-11-18 13:48:25: Using zigbee-herdsman with settings: '{"adapter":{"concurrent":null,"delay":null,"disableLED":false},"backupPath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/coordinator_backup.json","databaseBackupPath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/database.db.backup","databasePath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/database.db","network":{"channelList":[11],"extendedPanID":[221,221,221,221,221,221,221,221],"networkKey":"HIDDEN","panID":6754},"serialPort":{"baudRate":115200,"path":"tcp://192.168.178.72:6638"}}'
error 2023-11-18 13:49:07: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
error 2023-11-18 13:49:07: Failed to start zigbee
error 2023-11-18 13:49:07: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
error 2023-11-18 13:49:07: Exiting...
error 2023-11-18 13:49:07: Error: SRSP - ZDO - startupFromApp after 40000ms
    at Timeout._onTimeout (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/waitress.ts:64:35)
    at listOnTimeout (node:internal/timers:559:17)
    at processTimers (node:internal/timers:502:7)
weary flicker
plush lichen
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hi does anyone have experience adding the
zha:
custom_quirks_path: /config/custom_zha_quirks/ to home assistant on the pi i keep getting a validation error

The system cannot restart because the configuration is not valid: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for dictionary value @ data['zha']['custom_quirks_path']. Got '/config/custom_zha_quirks/'. (See /config/configuration.yaml, line 17).

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ive been working on this for a few hours and cant find a solution

carmine hamlet
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My random guess is to remove the trailing /

plush lichen
mellow geode
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Are you running Home Assistant OS?

plush lichen
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mellow geode
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To confirm, you created the custom_zha_quirks folder where your configuration.yaml is, right?

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If so, try /homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks as a path maybe

plush lichen
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ok will give this a try thank you

rapid dawnBOT
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@plush lichen I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
carmine hamlet
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That wasn't the suggestion

plush lichen
# carmine hamlet That wasn't the suggestion

sorry maybe i misunderstood. but the original quirks directory i created was at /homeassistant/config/custom_zha_quirks/ this does not work for me. the configuration.yaml file is located at /homeassistant/configuation.yaml

carmine hamlet
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you posted:

zha:
  custom_quirks_path: /custom_zha_quirks/
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the suggestion was:

If so, try /homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks as a path maybe

plush lichen
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I tried creating /homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks/ and updated the location in the configuation,yaml

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The system cannot restart because the configuration is not valid: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for dictionary value @ data['zha']['custom_quirks_path']. Got '/homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks/'. (See /config/configuration.yaml, line 17).

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without the trailing / i get the same error The system cannot restart because the configuration is not valid: Invalid config for [zha]: not a directory for dictionary value @ data['zha']['custom_quirks_path']. Got '/homeassistant/custom_zha_quirks'. (See /config/configuration.yaml, line 17)

silk vortex
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zigbee is great

carmine hamlet
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it is pretty great

finite mantle
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how i know the zigbee range from the hub

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can i have use zigbee devices on multiple floors with a single hun

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hub

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Or like my devies is far from hub or the devives having zigbee

half jacinth
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Zigbee has the neat feature of creating a mesh network with devices that can act as routers.

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Hue bulbs for example act as routers, extending your network.

finite mantle
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lets suppose my hub and a zigbee wall switch on one floor and a wall switch on the upper floor , how this thing works

sudden yarrow
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If they are in range it works. If not, you need a routing device between.

fading moth
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I'm using zigbee2mqtt for all my zigbee devices (no ZHA or anything else). I'm debugging an issue and I wonder if there a way to see raw zigbee traffic logs in HomeAssistant?

ashen bluff
serene fractal
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Hey
HA restarted and when it came back up none of the devices that are connected through Zigbee and not responding to any of my service calls
How would I resolve this?

tiny timber
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Have a new neighbour that's moved in who is broadcasting channels 5-11 2.4GHz on high power by the looks. If this is what the 2.4GHz channels look like in the worst part of my house (closest to adjoining wall), best to keep my 2.4GHz on 11 and move my Zigbee to 11?

zenith mist
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I'm having similar problems with these devices, but I don't turn them off, I set the temperature to a lower state during the night. Still, it heats to something above the set value and when I tap the device I see the "HS" and the manual temperature is set to 21 °C. The app still says it's below the set temperature.

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Can anyone recommend reliable thermostats? I could get a good deal for Danfoss_014G2461 ... for ZHA

delicate beacon
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have you ever encountered a situation with zigbee2mqtt where you cant change the state of a switch to off?

delicate beacon
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Publish 'set' 'state' to 'ws_1' failed: 'Error: Command 0xa4c1387b55d24c28/1 genOnOff.on({}, {"sendWhen":"immediate","timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Data request failed with error: 'MAC channel access failure' (225))'

the error when i am trying to toggle the switch

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restarting docker containers wasnt sufficient

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i do see the state

tiny timber
mighty river
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Reposting from #integrations-archived since it was not the right channel.

Hi guys! My lightbulbs are added via ZHA, and I have little problem with the temperature setting. For some reason, the HA thinks that the minimum temperature is 2000K, whereas the bulbs are rated 2700-6500K. Where can one change this setting in ZHA?

The lights: EMOS GoSmart LED-Kerzenlampe https://amzn.eu/d/haUvPh7

The HAOS and ZHA are the latest versions.

Thanks!

delicate beacon
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as per my issue, sometimes it works?! weird very weird.

fading moth
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Thank you Impact, zigbee-herdsman logs is exactly what I was looking for.

small finch
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Hey Guys! i have some problems with Zigbee and a Develco ZHA101.. i use Z2M and more than often i have to take the battery out and re pair the device, in Z2M in the map i have connection it says. any idea for further troubleshooting?

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ZHEMI101 *

molten linden
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you can do this under services - light.turn_on

austere patio
odd mango
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hi. Are there any zigbee/zwave/bluetooth radio combo hubs available?

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a small lan-connected box I could leave in a convenient place and have my server elsewhere?

bright barn
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Hi guys, quick question: does anyone know how you change the sensitivity of a tuya motion sensor (TS0601)?

river umbra
hollow escarp
bold parrot
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Hi. Anyone tried aqara T2 (lumi.switch.acn047) as dry contact for garage door? Electrician installed it in garage door switch outlet I could see two switches from zha but none of them triggers garage door

hollow sorrel
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Hey, I'm using ZHA with a Deconz Congee 2 dongle. I've got a few IKEA repeaters which I've added to ZHA, but I'm not convinced that they are being used. Is there some way to check whether anything is connected to the repeaters?

mellow geode
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You can start a refresh of the ZHA network visualization and check it again after 15 minutes or so

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You find it when going to settings, integrations, ZHA: Configure, visualization tab at the top

hollow sorrel
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"Refresh topology" - this one?

mellow geode
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Yeah

hollow sorrel
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Ah I thought that was just for updating the ui

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So that tells the network to look for better connections does it?

mellow geode
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It’s just for the UI. But you can see if other devices connect to/through the added routers

astral seal
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it tells the software to rebuild the network map on the UI so you can see whether things are using those repeaters.
As far as better connections go, most Zigbee 3.0 devices will find the best route on their own. It can take a little bit for that to happen though. Some 1.2 devices need to be told "connect through this router".

iron mauve
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Is the known issue with devices stuck updating being pushed soon, does anyone know? I thought I read something about it being a known issue after I psoted in here the other day

stark egret
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Is there anyone that would be willing to walk me through doing a zha ota update on a LYWSD03MMC?

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I'm all googled out

hollow sorrel
astral seal
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If you select the router device in the visualization it will light up all its routes and you can try to trace it from there. I'm not aware of any way to get all that rendered in text. Was there a specific issue you were trying to resolve by adding those repeaters?

sour magnet
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so for ZHA vs Zigbee2MQTT can i use both from the same coordinator or do i need seperate ones if i wanted to use both at the same time?

sour shadow
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No, you need separate coordinators for each

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Like having two people try to drive the same car at the same time, trying to do that is a Bad Idea ™️

sour magnet
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I see, i think i will stick to ZHA since its simpler and easier

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i only have 4 devices atm but plan to expand so it would be good to investigate more

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for mqtt is the paring range really short?

sour shadow
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Nope

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The range has nothing to do with the software you pick

strong yacht
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I use HAOS in a virtualbox VM using Ubuntu as my main OS for that PC. I want to get started with zigbee (because i accidentally bought 5 zigbee smart plugs). Does it matter which gateway that i pick? Skyconnect stick vs Sonoff dongle for example?

sour shadow
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Other than don't buy the Sonoff-P no

strong yacht
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whats the problem with the sonoff-P?

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hard to pass that through to the VM?

sour shadow
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Known hardware problems

strong yacht
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OK. thanks

strong yacht
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Ordered the Sonoff-E. long live black friday discounts.

mellow geode
austere solstice
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Is this the right place to get some help on creating a quirk for a zigbee device for ZHA?

sour shadow
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Probably

austere solstice
mellow geode
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What HA version are you running?

strong yacht
mellow geode
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Some issues were reported with the firmware that Sonoff flashes. It’s also a bit older

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If you don’t have any issues, you can also stay with the one it’s shipping with or upgrade later

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Upgrading doesn’t wipe network settings for EZSP dongles.

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(For TI dongles, ZHA would ask you to automatically restore a backup)

strong yacht
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OK, nice

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then i think i'll start by using it as it comes

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and if i run into issues i'll flash it

dawn hatch
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hey may some one tell me what "keep time" of a motion sensor stands for?

sour shadow
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What sensor?

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There's usually both a time the sensor is blind to new motion, and a time after motion is no longer detected that it'll stop reporting motion

dawn hatch
sour shadow
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Most likely, yes

dawn hatch
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kk, thank you. so far i only had sensors without these options

sour shadow
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Not all sensors can be configured, some are more configurable than that too

jade minnow
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Hi, i have a question about a sonof zigbee key.
I use a sonof zigbee key with ZHA, i connected a radiator head, but i can't change the target temperature on HA.
I ask myself if the sonof key has the right to wright.
do you know how i can check that?

astral seal
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What device is the radiator head? Like make and model?

jade minnow
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this one

astral seal
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So it's not going to be a write permission situation, it's going to be something about the device. So do you have the option to set the temperature and it just doesn't stick or do you not have the option at all?

jade minnow
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I have the option and when I change temperature it come back

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I have to change it manualy on the head

astral seal
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Ok so try to set the temperature from Home Assistant, wait for it to "come back", and then check your logs.

jade minnow
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there is nothing in the logs

vivid oriole
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Hello, I'm having difficulties using my SkyConnect ; I have a container installation of HA, I understand that I must map a /dev/tty<something> device, but when I plug in the SkyConnect, I don't see any new TTY device appear ; dmesg shows that the dongle is recognized, but somehow doesn't assign it a /dev/tty* :

[8576448.952565] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 7
[8576455.273195] usb 1-1.1.3: new full-speed USB device number 8 using dwc_otg
[8576455.408067] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=10c4, idProduct=ea60, bcdDevice= 1.00
[8576455.411803] usb 1-1.1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[8576455.413786] usb 1-1.1.3: Product: SkyConnect v1.0
[8576455.415739] usb 1-1.1.3: Manufacturer: Nabu Casa

I've scouted forums for a solution, in vain. Would you have pointers as to where I should investigate ?

Additional info:

rapid dawnBOT
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Hardware

Open your Home Assistant instance and show hardware information

sour shadow
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That may help, but you should really be looking under /dev/serial/by-id/

vivid oriole
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Forgot to mention that, but I've already looked there, and there's nothing (not even the /dev/serial folder)

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The "hardware" page from HA shows metrics about CPU and memory usage, nothing else ; is that supposed to show more helpful info related to my issue ? 🤔

sour shadow
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Then your OS isn't loading the right kernel drivers

vivid oriole
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that's what I feared, but I couldn't find which kernel module, for example, I'm supposed to load

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is that battle worth fighting, or would you say I'd better switch to another, more mainstream, OS ?

sour shadow
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Unfortunately I don't know, but somebody else will

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Debian FTW

vivid oriole
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I'd rather avoid reinstalling the OS if I can help it, and your somebody else will makes it sound like there's hope so I'll wait around 🙂

vivid oriole
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Got it ! Here's how:

  • according to https://www.home-assistant.io/skyconnect/, SkyConnect relies on Silicon Labs CP2102N USB-to-UART bridge
  • the list of USB-serial kernel modules is at /usr/lib/modules/<KERNEL_VERSION>/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/
  • in that folder, there's a file named cp210x.ko.gz, which matches the CP2102N
  • modprobe cp210x and then dmesg shows:
[8581223.446455] usbcore: registered new interface driver cp210x
[8581223.447863] usbserial: USB Serial support registered for cp210x
[8581223.449241] cp210x 1-1.1.3:1.0: cp210x converter detected
[8581223.459222] usb 1-1.1.3: cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB0
  • device is now available at /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Nabu_Casa_SkyConnect_v1.0_5695b488db93ed11ab8d82f23b20a988-if00-port0
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is there a collaborative documentation on SkyConnect where I could contribute this finding ?

austere patio
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The CP2102N serial chip is plug and play with every single Linux system I have tested. I think this is an Arch Linux (ARM)-specific glitch that you signed up for by using the distro 😄

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Did you compile your own kernel and mark it as a loadable module as opposed to built-in?

vivid oriole
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I did not compile my own kernel, I'm surprised that ArchlinuxARM would deviate from the standard practice in that regards, but 🤷‍♂️

sick panther
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Heeey all! 🙂 I am kinda new to HA so sorry if this is a dumb question:
I have a few Zigbee thermostats (dunno if thats the right english word for it - the ones that control the heating directly on the radiator with a valve) with integrated temperature sensors. Now i got external temperature sensor cause the integrated ones are often kinda far off from the actual room temp. How can I change that the sensor that the thermostats use are the external ones?
I hope someone understands what I mean and is eager to help me 🙂
I use ZHA and these TRVs: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Nedis_ZBHTR10WT.html

sour shadow
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Don't see anything to suggest those support an external sensor

sick panther
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one would think there should be a way to either tell them or make a new "virtual" device which has basicly the same states but uses the temperature value of another zigbee device

astral seal
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Not if the device doesn't explicitly support that.

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What we can do with Zigbee devices is limited to what the firmware on the device supports.

austere solstice
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could you not build an automation that either changes the set temperature on the thermostat up or down depending on another sensor?

astral seal
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Yeah that's what I was about to suggest

austere solstice
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just ignoring the built in sensor

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might need to take the avg temp over some suitable timeframe so that the thermostat is not jumping up or down constantly

sick panther
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so basicly an automation that runs like every 5 min and compares the current temp of the external sensor and switched the valve on/off?

austere solstice
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well maybe not on/off, just adjust the set temperature on it up or down 1 degree or something

astral seal
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So the way the valve works is it opens when the temp is below target, closes when temp is above target right?

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Or does it vary the amount of hot water that's flowing through the radiator?

sick panther
austere solstice
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I'd say that they usually work by adjusting the flow of hot water to the radiator, hence my suggestion of adjusting the set temp and not just on/off

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there is a piston on the radiator itself and the thermostats push on that piston to adjust the flow

sick panther
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shouldn't changing "hvac_mode" to "heat" do the trick aswell? If target is highte then sensor -> "heat" and if lower "off"?

austere solstice
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at least that's how the ones that I know of are build, (northen europe, might vary elsewhere)

sick panther
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i mean... that reads good but i have no clue what it does xD

austere solstice
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Do you live in a very cold environment?

sick panther
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North Germany - could be worse i guess ^^

austere solstice
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ok, so 0...-10 celcius at max?

sick panther
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yeah

austere solstice
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you might be fine just turning it on/off based on the second sensor

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if it was more like -20...-30 i would say not to do it that way

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you want consistent heating for a better experience

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turning on/off might lead to waves of warm and less warm

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or hot / cold if it's really bad

rapid dawnBOT
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@sick panther I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
sick panther
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thats a realllllly basic idea

sick panther
astral seal
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I would use the numeric state of the temperature sensor as a trigger rather than using time.

sick panther
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i was thinking that could kill the battery if the target temp is reached, cause wouldnt that basicly open close the valve on every 0,1 degree change?

austere solstice
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that is why my first suggestion was to use avg temp taken over some timeframe

sick panther
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oh another thought i just had : wouldnt that script "fight" with the thermostat automation itself?

austere solstice
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that way it wont react too quickly

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might be, that is one more reason to just adjust the temperature that is set to the thermostat, and not manually open / close it

sick panther
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yeah seems smarter ^^

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and harder xD

austere solstice
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probably :)

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but should lead to less need to adjust it and that way the battery is not drained as fast

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since the thermostat will stop functioning completely when the batteries run out and then you stuck at whatever position it was in

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(which might be the closed state)

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I have similar thermostats myself, but I have not moved their control to HA for this very reason, I'm just relying on the vendor app and let the thermostats work independedly

sick panther
austere solstice
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just adjust the temperature higher?

sick panther
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yeah it will eventually reach my target but it takes some time - and if i just go and add like +3 degrees it will (over a longer period) reach a room temp that is +3 degrees higher ^^

austere solstice
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For me the longevity of the batteries was first priority, hence my decision, but it does get to -30 celcius during the winter here.. :)

sick panther
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but just slooooooowly

austere solstice
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true

sick panther
austere solstice
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yep, I do :) they do last for 1-2 years in my experience

sick panther
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had them for just 1,5 years, atm HA reads 40-60%

austere solstice
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have to run now, good luck with it

sick panther
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tyvm

astral seal
dusk python
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Is there a known issue with HA reporting several zigbee devices as currently updating when z2m simply thinks they have an available update? Seems to persist thru reboots of HA and z2m also.

quick sleet
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Flashing Tasmota using https://tasmota.github.io/install/ (CH340 USB TO TTL) on a Sonoff ZBridgePro, getting "Failed to initialize. Try resetting your device or holding the BOOT button while clicking INSTALL.". What must be the color of the LED before flashing?

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For me I'm just getting a solid blue

quick sleet
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help none of the past posts work I just want zigbee on my HASSIO 😦 n this board is kinda expensive for me

sour shadow
tiny timber
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Hey all! Just recently migrated radio from a Conbee II on channel 20 to a Skyconnect on channel 15. Had to change chanels due to a new neighbour blasting high powered AP across 5-11 bands. After re-pairing everything, I have some problem sensors that keep becoming unavailable. Both motion sensors, one TRADFRI motion sensor and one SML001. I know the SML001 are notoriously flakey and will look to replace, but anything I can try in the mean time?

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They were both particularly hard to pair in the first place, not really respecting the "add via this device" for devices very close to them, and both seemed to end up connecting via the coordinator which is a floor away.

tired dock
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MOin, my Homeassistant ZHA integration always enables debug log it self. everytime I'm inside the webinterface I disable the debug log. Any idea how to permantenly disable it?

hollow escarp
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Can anyone help me? My zigbee network keeps randomly collapsing, by which I mean it will suddenly stop working completely, and nothing will work until everything has been power cycled, the add-on restarted, etc

hollow escarp
sour shadow
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Did you actually check for overlapping WiFi?

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Physical distance isn't what you need

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There's a pinned image that'll help you

hollow escarp
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Yes, my router WiFI Environment scan shows low to moderate noise fairly flatly across all channels

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I have not changed to channel 25 (currently it is on 11) and perhaps it is due to noise, but my neighbours are not that close and my WiFi is currently on a distant channel from Zigbee 11 (WiFi channel 11)

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I can try migrating to Zigbee channel 25, and then move my router to WiFi channel 6 I guess, is there a recommended guide on doing this? I know I have to re-pair devices, but what's the best procedure for doing that smoothly?

sour shadow
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To do that un-pair all the devices, then re-pair routers first, spiraling out from the coordinator

dusk python
dusk python
hollow escarp
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@sour shadow and @dusk python thank you for the advice. I'm most of the way through doing that now. We'll see whether it helps over the next few weeks

ashen coral
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I've been having a problem like this since a power outage a few days ago. ZZH stopped responding to Z2M several times per day and needed a power cycle to resume.

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I think I've finally tracked it down to a TRÅDFRI lightbulb which somehow got stuck and started constantly sending announcements 10 times per second.

austere patio
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Do you have a packet capture of this?

ashen coral
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No, only the z2m log message ```
info 2023-11-20 08:23:05: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/event', payload '{"data":{"friendly_name":"Kök Matbord","ieee_address":"0x90fd9ffffe73fab0"},"type":"device_announce"}'

info 2023-11-20 08:23:05: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Kök Matbord', payload {"brightness":4,"color_mode":"color_temp","color_options":null,"color_temp":400,"last_seen":"2023-11-20T08:22:48+01:00","linkquality":98,"power_on_behavior":null,"state":"OFF","update":{"installed_version":-1,"latest_version":-1,"state":null},"update_available":null}'```

dusk python
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IKEA smart devices and failing in bizarre ways, name a better combo

grim igloo
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haha but they're just like hue but cheaper haha smile

dusk python
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I’ve had several ikea devices fail, like an outlet that wouldn’t stop cycling, sensors that can randomly eat batteries, knobs that stopped sending certain values

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A motion sensor stuck on detected

dusk python
grim igloo
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i've managed to stay 100% tuya and ikea free

dusk python
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I stopped buying anything but hue lol

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For zigbee anyways

grim igloo
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also now 100% sonoff free since i moved to a tube PoE coordinator

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i believe ikea has some strange quirks with binding too?

mellow geode
dusk python
grim igloo
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i thought only tier 3 twitch subs bought lifx

dusk python
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Lol mine are years old now but they’ve all failed eventually

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Before hue entertainment protocol LIFX had the fastest control stack for sound reactive stuff

grim igloo
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i dont buy hue rgbw i use wled and led strips for color

dusk python
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Heh every bulb in my house is rgb I’m a maniac

grim igloo
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it comes down to cost and i cant justify paying $40+ for a bulb

dusk python
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That’s where the reflashed tuya have been oddly impressive, I’ve got like 35 of em and not one has died in years

grim igloo
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there's a few locations i could see a rgbw bulb being nice for additional scene options but im tempted to just buy a couple 15w wled flashed wifi bulbs in those areas

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the hue transitions and generally being good zigbee devices are why i like the (white) bulbs tho