I pressed the button and then adjusted settings, it worked
#zigbee-archived
fathom ginkgo
fathom ginkgo
But I still got some issues with a dimmer. When using the dimmer locally everything is fine. Everything updates correct in HA. When dimming from HA it works fine, but when toggling from HA it turns off, but it doesn't update value. And now it can't be turned on again via same toggle from HA, it can only be turned on again by turning it on manually on the dimmer itself, and then it updates the value correctly.
And now the dongle is on an extension so that shouldn't be the issue
sour shadow
Logs?
fathom ginkgo
I don't get any errors it seems
Perhaps its the dimmer itself thats the issue
To me it seems like the dimmer doesn't send out the correct feedback value when toggling, it just turns off the lights and thats it. Now it wont toggle back on because HA thinks the lights are still on?
I'm just thinking out loud
sour shadow
Have you tried using the Z2M UI?
fathom ginkgo
No, that have been on my mind for a thing to try out. Also considering the deconz but from what I've read Z2M is better?
Can I have both ZHA and Z2M installed at the same time for testing purposes?
sour shadow
deCONZ ... 
sour shadow
You can only run ZHA and Z2M at the same time if you have two coordinators
sour shadow
Well, you'll have to re-pair all your devices
fathom ginkgo
Yeah thought so.. But not that big of an issue, got like 18 devices only
Would you recommend to get another coordinator than conbeeII?
sour shadow
I mean, the ConBee works
I'd recommend something CC2652 based (other than Sonoff) for Z2M, and anything CC2652 or EZSP based for ZHA
fathom ginkgo
So CC2652 works for both Z2M and ZHA, guess I'll try one
I'm not that familiar with zigbee yet, but are there differences in the different dongles in how many entities they can provide from the zigbee units?
Or are there differences in how many entities ZHA and Z2M can provide from the units?
sour shadow
Once you're on a decent dongle then the limit is many hundreds
fathom ginkgo
I mean, from a single zigbee device. Lets say device X has 10 entities, but with conbee II it shows just 3 in HA, would a better dongle show all 10? Is this an issue at all?
sour shadow
That's not how it works
fathom ginkgo
Because I have a zigbee thermostat that originally comes with its own hub, but it uses zigbee as protocol. But without the hub I can't access all parameters
sour shadow
The device having X entities is down to ZHA/Zigbee2MQTT/deCONZ showing things that way
The stick is irrelevant
fathom ginkgo
Okay, I see
I guess without the hub I
I'm stuck with the options I got*
The hub cannot be integrated with HA. Yet, at least
sour shadow
Well, options... depends on the device you're talking about too
With ZHA for instance it uses events for remotes/buttons, so many "entities" that Z2M or a hub may show won't be there
With Z2M many of the diagnostic entities are disabled by default
fathom ginkgo
It's parameters from the thermostat, like adjusting the PID, sensor type etc
None of those parameters are showing for me atm
sour shadow
Some of those may require you send raw Zigbee commands with ZHA 
fathom ginkgo
Okay. Is Z2M a better option for this?
sour shadow
Maybe, maybe not
Device support in both is community driven
Z2M tends to get better support for devices that don't follow standards, but sometimes ZHA gets support a year or more before Z2M
fathom ginkgo
Hmm. Allright, guess I need to test Z2M. If its worth it, its worth it. If not, I'll go back to ZHA.
I don't need all the parameters on the thermostats, but I want my dimmer to function properly at least
sour shadow
It's probably going to turn out to be a problem at the dimmer
fathom ginkgo
Yeah I think so. I have 7 of them, but only installed 1 so far
Gonna try with another and see if the problem persists
Same issue with dimmer #2 - is this an ZHA issue or perhaps ConBee issue?
sour shadow
It could be a ZHA issue, but more likely the problem is that the device isn't behaving correctly
Whatever that device is... you've not ever said
fathom ginkgo
https://www.namron.com/products/namron-zigbee-led-dimmer-250w/
Sorry its norwegian
fathom ginkgo
I can see the namrom dimmer is supported by Z2M
By the way, updating the firmware on the conbee II, should I do it on windows on my computer?
sour shadow
Doesn't matter where you do it
fathom ginkgo
Okay, upgraded firmware. Still the same issues. Gonna try with Z2M now
fathom ginkgo
Having some issues starting Z2M. I get this error: Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-07-03 15:03:37: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)
I have tried adding:
serial:
adapter: deconz
To my config, but not sure if its supposed to go in configuration.yaml or in the config of Z2M?
Adding it to my configuration.yaml made an error when rebooting, said it was not supported.
Oh, it is in configuration.yaml for Z2M - how confusing
tulip patrol
Hello all, I'm having an issue where after updating HA my automations for zigbee buttons trigger but don't actually perform the automation. I have to go in to the automation then information, disable and reenable, run the action and then it works again. Any ideas?
I can see the automation being triggered in the UI when I press the button, but it doesn't perform the action if that makes sense
on all zigbee buttons, Sonoff WB01 and Philips Hue Remote RWL022
tulip patrol
also, I'm not sure if anyone remembers I also had an issue with a Sonoff ZBMINI-L (no neutral) where it fails to control the device but can see the status. Someone suggested link quality but it shows 255 in ZHA network map, getting error failed to connect when I try to toggle it. I also have a Sonoff ZBMINI (with neutral) that always stays connected and working no matter what
sudden yarrow
Are you using the latest HA version? We have had that issue a few releases ago, but it has been fixed meanwhile.
tulip patrol
I'm using a self built HAOS 10.2 on an unsupported platform, but I don't think that matters. I was getting the same thing when I was running supervised also
It could be this custom firmware on the zbdongle-e. I might try a different co-ordinator and see if the behaviour changes
balmy fossil
recently i have started getting a lot of those errors in my Z2M
error 2023-07-03 14:47:24Exception while calling fromZigbee converter: tuya.getDataValue is not a function} error 2023-07-03 14:47:24Exception while calling fromZigbee converter: tuya.getDataValue is not a function}
but im unable to pinpoint those to a device causing them. How can i troubleshoot it?
(ive got a lot of Tuya devices in my mesh)
fathom ginkgo
@sour shadow merging to Z2M did the trick! Now the dimmer updates as it should
lime locust
euhm after bricking my cc2652 i bought an identical stick , how would i proceed with z2m without repairing ?
have the latest version on z2m
sour shadow
Have you consulted the Z2M FAQs?
lime locust
hmm plugged it in spun up z2m and it works
it jussst workssss
overthinking it , with IEEE adresses
etc
being different
wait ....
raven widget
@heady phoenix did you ever figure this out? I’m having the same issue with my phone once I tried to add the IRK
steady brook
Hi All... I have resetted my Hassio install by deleting my config folder. After I did so I am nåt able to connect Zigbee devices. I have had 2 getting to the stage Interviewing but not finishing and now it does not work at all
sour shadow
You're using ZHA?
steady brook
You're using ZHA?
Yes... It was installed by default...
sour shadow
Check the logs then
steady brook
Check the logs then
I am not seeing anything in the ZHA logs... Absolutely nothing 😦
molten linden
enable debug logging via the zha config page.
heady phoenix
<@247238451911458817> did you ever figure this out? I’m having the same issue w...
haven't gotten back to it yet, but dying to figure it out soon
grim igloo
@sage ember https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2022/ these are popular models that allow you to use either ZHA (zigbee home automation) or z2m (zigbee2mqtt) both fully supported
benefit to a PoE coordinator is you can place it more centrally located compared to wherever your hass setup is
https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA plus minimizing the zigbee interference by removing the usb port from the equation (30 second video worth watching)
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended otherwise you can pick one of the devices on this list or the skyconnect if you know you'll be using zha
basically you are limited to cc2652p coordinators if you want to use zigbee2mqtt because the newer efr32 chipset only has experimental support for it, versus zha will work with either
sage ember
Ill probably just go with SkyConnect. I was likely going to get it at some point anyway, but since im still trying to make up my mind with Zigbee vs Zwave, thats why I was trying to get an all-in-one that way I didnt have a "useless" device sitting around.
Any thoughts on https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Zi-Stick-Zigbee-Control-Devices/dp/B0C1LFQMVV/ ? They specifically metion HA in the product description.
grim igloo
and as far as picking between the two there's no 100% agreed upon answer. it's mostly just personal preference with how you want to control the devices based on the ui/ux. for a newcomer it just confuses people to start explaining why in detail. a lot of youtube videos saying z2m > zha are also outdated and the reasons arent necessarily still true/accurate
i've never seen the aeotec zigbee stick, usually aeotec sticks are for zwave and not suggested if you are in the UK due to an antenna issue, but their us zwave 700 stick has been fine for most people
i'd suggest the zooz 700 series zwave controller but you need to go to #zwave-archived for that, they care about what conversations are held where here
sage ember
I saw people mention that there were frequency issues or something for people in the UK, but I am in the US so I should be fine from whatever issue that is
grim igloo
Ill probably just go with SkyConnect. I was likely going to get it at some point...
skyconnect isnt my choice nor is zha, but again it's personal opinion more than anything
timber hollow
Hi, am I correct, that there is no blueprint for the Philips Hue Dimmer Switch (RWL021) which works with the Philipps Hue integration, but only with ZHA?
grim igloo
i think you worded that poorly
there is a zha/z2m blueprint to mimic functionality of their dimmer remotes with the hue app if that's what you're asking
make sure that's the right link
timber hollow
Maybe I try it differently, is there a blueprint, which works with Philipps HUE Integration + Philips Hue Bridge to control the Philips Hue Dimmer.
Technically it works, but I'm looking for a blueprint, which allows me to do a complete configuration of the dimmer.
sour shadow
#blueprints-archived is the channel for blueprnts
timber hollow
It seams, that all blueprints rely on ZHA
sour shadow
There's also a link there to the blueprints exchange
grim igloo
ya
the hue ones retrigger on motion after 30 seconds instead of 1minute 1second with aqara iirc
and battery life is somewhere between like 3-5 years
mine are on year 4 no battery swap yet i think
weary kettle
can A router connect to another router?
weary kettle
😦 I trying to connect one but it wont find the device
grim igloo
sucks lol
raven widget
@jolly narwhal - Now that you've had this sensor for awhile, what are your thoughts? Worth getting one?
jolly narwhal
haven't had time to play with it
I can confirm it still works
it's been running continiously since install
raven widget
so, no opinions on accuracy of detection?
I've been trying to build my own mmWave sensor with ESP32, but in the end it will cost me about as much as this sensor and the one I was trying to build gives very strange results. numbers bounce all over the place and often reports no presence even if i'm in the same room as it.
jolly narwhal
it detects motion from 8-10 meters away depending on height of individual
I have it mounted in the roof
at the end of a room
I should have mounted it in the middle of the room
(room is 10+ meters long)
raven widget
it can't detect motion/occupancy less than 8m?
jolly narwhal
nope
connects magically through zigbee2mqtt and texas instruments (2652 based) coordinator
astral seal
the hue ones retrigger on motion after 30 seconds instead of 1minute 1second wit...
The Aqara P1 has adjustable detection interval. 30 seconds to 3 minutes iirc.
grim igloo
I see
That’s a big benefit over the older model on top of being zig3.0
Although no temp or lux and I’m sure battery life is worse so I’d still buy hue
astral seal
It does do lux, no temp though. I've only had mine since November 12 '22 so we'll see how the battery life holds up.
rare robin
anybody have any tips getting hue high hats to pair, I did a bunch of lights in my house and they just showed up in zigbee2mqtt when I hit allow devices and powered them on, now I'm doing the last rooms and nothing when I turn the lights on
it looks like the next best option is gonna be downloading the bluetooth app and pairing then factory reseting them one by one, which is kinda obnoxious
bold nymph
is there a way to change the information in the "About" page in Z2M?
I bought some zigbee smart plugs, and they're working just fine but they're appearing as https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS011F_plug_1.html#tuya-ts011f_plug_1
instead of
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/MOES_plug.html
astral seal
Guess who manufactures stuff for MOES?
rare robin
Guess who manufactures stuff for MOES?
I just ordered dinner from them!
carmine hamlet
Welcome to Moe's!!!
carmine hamlet
Put it in Delivery Instructions
rare robin
Haha that's a good idea, but too late for this run.
carmine hamlet
Whoa;
The name "Moe's" originated as an acronym for "Musicians, Outlaws and Entertainers", and this theme led to the music-related artwork found in the original design.
rare robin
I always liked there classic rock posters
grim igloo
Whatever you say midge
bold nymph
So none of you knows how?
fathom ginkgo
Anyone knows a fix to repair an aqara temp/humidity sensor that only reports temp/pressure, but not humidity and battery percent?
I have 5 sensors. I recently switched to Z2M yesterday, and can't get the one properly working. Tried resetting it several times
The other 4 works like before when I was on ZHA.
One funny thing about the switch to Z2M is that now the sensors also reports battery voltage, they never did that with ZHA :p
mellow geode
On ZHA, they report battery voltage as an extra attribute on the main battery entity
balmy fossil
what does a green blinking battery icon mean in Z2M addon panel?
elfin prism
Hi, after updating Z2M to 1.32.0 I get weird entity names in the device because it shows the entity_id instead of a friendly entity name like always. This only happens of devices that comes from Z2M, not all MQTT devices, only zigbee ones
sour shadow
For Z2M are you using the add-on, the Docker install, or some other approach?
elfin prism
docker install.
elfin prism
yes it's mine. it's strange I am the only one haha
sour shadow
It might just be that not enough other people have updated yet - I'm still on 1.30
elfin prism
I checked if there is some option to show entities as real entity_id or names in HA, z2m or mqtt integration. but there is no option...
I rollback to 1.31.2 but still here.., I will try 1.30. seems that HA already cached/saved with that names now and forever
sour shadow
It's going to be down to the Discovery payload
elfin prism
I tried to remove one sensor from MQTT, discover it again with the previus version but still same weird names
ok its the orignal name
"original_device_class": "battery",
"original_icon": null,
"original_name": "blind_left_battery",
this needs to be Battery only like other ones that are not zigbee
other non zigbee are shown like this: "original_name": "Signal Strength",
solid inlet
I'm probably last on this ball, but got myself a Sky Connect. Question now is if I should keep Z2M or just go with ZHA? I know it is personal preference, and don't really make use of MQTT. Z2M supports a lot more devices, but rarely get new ones, so should not be an issue. Functionality wise, any concerns? What about OTA for Ikea, HUE, Aquara, Xiomi?
Ok, found this https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-firmware-updates, which confirms some of my questions, but can I supply a custom update path? I saw a github hosting HUE firmware in a youtube video recently, that would be great to add in (after confirming it being legit)
weary kettle
Does the SkyConnect work with MQTT or does it only work with ZHA?
solid inlet
It works with Z2M according to youtube (I have not tested it myself yet)
sour shadow
It's experimental
solid inlet
Ok, good to know, that was never mentioned in the video 🙂
sour shadow
solid inlet
In the docs for ZHA it says 2021.03-03 you had to manually issue a comman to update HUE. Is that still true?
sour shadow
Videos tend to be ... not exactly complete or accurate
sour shadow
Check the Z2M docs?
solid inlet
I am more curious of ZHA really, seems lighter, but I'm concerned about the OTA not as complete...
elfin prism
is there to talk also about MQTT?
I opened that bug https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/95844
sour shadow
It's almost certain that the problem is with the Discovery payload being sent by Z2M
elfin prism
z2m says that is a problem from HA
payload MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/temp_sensor_study', payload '{"battery":100,"humidity":51.37,"linkquality":178,"power_outage_count":7,"pressure":1006.1,"temperature":28.55,"voltage":3015}'
sour shadow
Well, no, one person who helps out there said that
elfin prism
i mean in Z2M discord channel, not here
sour shadow
Yes, that's what I said
Rene is just another person who helps out there
He's not a Z2M dev (none of the devs use Discord)
https://dpaste.org/V50Nn is the payload from 1.30, to compare that to what you see, and then roll forwards one release at a time and compare the payloads
elfin prism
then I will wait for github issues answer. is strange that this starts happening to me but other people works ok like always
@sour shadow how you get that payload?
sour shadow
MQTT Explorer
elfin prism
mmmm is this option inside the frontend of z2m?
elfin prism
dont appear in docker hub
sour shadow
Why are you searching Docker hub?
elfin prism
mqtt explorer
sour shadow
If anybody were to read the official Z2M docs it's pretty obvious
Nobody bothers reading though - easier to watch some shitty outdated video that misses 90% of what you need to know
elfin prism
i will come back when able to get the mqtt payload. thank you
frigid quartz
Is it normal that in z2m ota update shows that my current devices firmware is higher than the latest?
sour shadow
"Latest" ... is the most recent OTA Z2M has
Manufacturers rarely publish their OTA files in a way that's easy for software like Z2M to consume
frigid quartz
So this means the latest is according to what z2m officially supports but might not be the latest that the manufacturers release?
sour shadow
Not supports, has an OTA for
weary kettle
If anybody were to read the official Z2M docs it's pretty obvious
For Frigate I need mqtt do I need a seperate dongle then I guess
sour shadow
For Frigate I need mqtt do I need a seperate dongle then I guess
You need a "dongle" for Zigbee2MQTT, yes
You need one for ZHA too
At the end of that day it's the radio that talks Zigbee, without it physics isn't on your side
weary kettle
<https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended>
ah okay thanks! will use my SkyConnect for ZHA and for mqtt use the Sonoff for my cameras ty ty
rapid dawnBOT
weary kettle
sorry - did not know you can turn that off
sour shadow
elfin prism
@sour shadow I have the mqtt explorer and suprise! mine is different like yours
elfin prism
how can i share a picture here?
rapid dawnBOT
sour shadow
Don't share pictures of text
Share text as text
https://jsonlint.com/ can help make JSON pretty
elfin prism
check the "name" property https://dpaste.org/gE0Aa
yours was "name": "office temperature" (human friendly)
sour shadow
Back to my previous point - you need to find out when this changed in Z2M, and then if you think it's a bug open an issue
elfin prism
It was working 3 days ago, i have automatic updates of my dockers. so it's from 1.32.0, but I am surprise that anyone is having that problem :S
sour shadow
Well, auto-updating is ... foolish
elfin prism
auto updating to latest only
elfin prism
which is the more stable version? to rollback
sour shadow
At this point you should:
- Roll back to 1.31
- Confirm that the name payload is "correct"
- Roll forward again
- Raise an issue
elfin prism
the weird thing is already tried old versions and having the same problem. but now with mqtt explorer will be easier to check
ok
@sour shadow if I remove one device from HA, how to force to be published again from z2m?
is there any button to do that?
with 1.31.0 I still get wrong name 😦
perhaps is cached in z2m that name
sour shadow
This isn't IRC, you don't need to tag me
- Stop Z2M
- Use MQTT Explorer to delete the Discovery payload
- Start Z2M
You may need to delete the devices from Z2M and add them again
elfin prism
why this last step needed?
sour shadow
Which one?
elfin prism
and is any way to force the publish payload? sometimes take 2min others 10min
sour shadow
The Discovery payload should be sent on Z2M startup AFAIK
elfin prism
ok it doesnt work with 1.31.0 is there any register that i can change? internally
sour shadow
You may need to delete the devices from Z2M and add them again
You could also try manually waking the device, see if that triggers the payload
elfin prism
I am not able to fix it, perhaps only solution is to pair again as you said to z2m
I will check the cahnges of the release to see the problem
I have seen that there is also a new version for the coordinator like sonoff dongle P
sour shadow
Once more ... with feeling
you don't need to keep tagging me @elfin prism
Also, the coordinator firmware isn't going to matter
elfin prism
they are fixing it https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/pull/18208 !
I have seen that your payload was the same as mine by checking the code. you get "offcie temperature" because you named it "office". With that change will be only temperature.
mine was sensor_door, so sensor_door_temperature because it joins the device with the entity by using _ or empty space by checking how is the given name of the device
jolly hollow
Sorry, one more noob question if you don't mind.
The strip you posted is 90W, 12V (I think, there were several options) which would be 7.5A. The controller said max 5A. This wasn't a problem?
vernal lotus
Sorry, one more noob question if you don't mind.
The strip you posted is 90W, 12...
sorry forgot to use the reply
jolly hollow
sorry forgot to use the reply
So that goes directly to the controller AND the strip so the 5A max of the controller is irrelevant?
If you have, say a 10A controller could you just power the strip from the controller (which would be powered by this power supply)
vernal lotus
So that goes directly to the controller AND the strip so the 5A max of the contr...
If I'm being completely honest I bought the whole situation on the recommendation of a youtube video. I'm fairlytechnical but for whatever reason I don't really understand voltage/wattage and all that stuff (not sure what the term for that specific learning disability would be) but this combo of the 3 components I linked work really well together.
grim igloo
this is why quindor's videos and write ups are so nice
he takes the confusion out of it with specific wiring guides for specific scenarios from A to Z
jolly hollow
Fair enough. How did you connect the strip to power? From that power supply or from the controller? That'll answer my question.
vernal lotus
yeah the video I watched did a comparison of power supplies and others worked but this was the best.
grim igloo
you have to make sure the controller can do 5-24v in and 5-24v out depending on strips used too
vernal lotus
but yes you just plug the power supply into the controller and then wire the strip into the controller
wires are out of order but it's easy to match up
jolly hollow
Interesting. Apparently I don't get it either then because your strip should pull 7.5A and your controller is labeled 5A max. Am I missing something @grim igloo
grim igloo
above you said 12v strip which means it needs 12v power supply however the average controller is an esp32 which needs 5v
hence me suggesting you confirm the controller does more than just 5v or 12v or whatever is necessary depending on your setup
vernal lotus
vernal lotus
lol I can't make the electrical needs make sense but I can tell you it works great
jolly hollow
I believe you. I must be missing something so should probably head away from ZigBee since it's not really related anymore.
Thanks for your info though since what you've done is basically what I'm trying to do with ZigBee
vernal lotus
I believe you. I must be missing something so should probably head away from Zig...
You're welcome I'm glad I could help. I also really like these connectors since I had to extend some wiring behind some cabinets: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0986W9YR6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
haughty sparrow
does anyone know how bad a freezer would block zigbee? I'm thinking about getting and putting one of the aqara sensors in my freezer but I don't know if they will even get reception
sour shadow
If you search you'll see people do that and it works
It obviously depends on your freezer, and overall setup
astral seal
If you have a decent mesh, it will probably work.
half cradle
does anyone know how bad a freezer would block zigbee? I'm thinking about gettin...
I got an inkbird
I know this is #zigbee-archived, it specifically said freezer, looked good.
molten linden
Last summer I pulled a “weed” but it was actually the control wire for the outdoor compressor
Only thing that blew was my original nest
Well it worked but it was not working lol.
grim igloo
cough nest bad cough
rapid dawnBOT
@mortal sail I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
@mortal sail I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
carmine hamlet
Do not change both ports there. The format is external:internal, and you can change the external port to whatever you want. You need to leave the internal port at its default
7575:8080
grim igloo
plus he should be using the serial id for the usb stick
For USB apdaters you can use dmesg command on Linux hosts to find the mounted device. Where possible you should use the /dev/serial/by-id/ path of the stick, instead of /dev/tty*. This is because the /dev/tty* path can change - for example /dev/ttyACM0 may become /dev/ttyACM1 and then later back to /dev/ttyACM0. The /dev/serial/by-id/ path won't change.
mortal sail
thanks @carmine hamlet that got the dashboard working.
grim igloo
pats self on back
mortal sail
I'll have to change that in a bit, @grim igloo gotta get a few devices configured to make sure everything works
grim igloo
wait
dont
change network_key, pan_id, extended pan_id, and channel (if necessary)
you'll need to re-join every device if you change any of these later
it's a pretty serious known flaw that hopefully will be changing soon for all new installs
mortal sail
seems to be working just fine, currently.
carmine hamlet
He's gonna hack your network now
grim igloo
nah he's just added to a very long list
carmine hamlet
If your lights flicker, it's not ghosts
grim igloo
discord notes go brrr
nocturne geyser
violet dagger
it can but the question is whether its features will work
nocturne geyser
Hmm interesting
muted meteor
Hey folks. Just received my skyconnect, plugged it in and setup. It's showing as the coordinator in HA but I can't for the life of me get it to detect any devices. Tried for half an hour to pair a couple of Ikea Tradfri devices but nothing.
muted meteor
I've unplugged my Hue hub which was nearby to reduce interference
I set channel to auto, and it selected 15, but a warning in the logs says channel 15 is 95% used
mellow geode
Are you using the provided USB extension cable for your SkyConnect?
muted meteor
Ok, the VINDSTRYKA connected after resetting it half a dozen times
Yes I'm using the extension
Still can't get the TRADFRI on/off button to pair
ok, I moved the WINDSTYRKA 1 foot away and it isn't seen anymore.
dusk kite
Hi all. Just very recently started with Home Assistant. I am running HAOS on a RPI4b. I first would like to start with some "smart" bulbs and have been eyeing the IKEA Tradfri. However: I am unsure if I should use ZHA or Z2M (I do not want to use the cloud at all). Furthermore, I am unsure which stick I would need for this purpose. Any tips for a beginner?
mellow geode
Check out some of the pinned messages in this channel
dusk kite
Yeah I did mostly. I am just a bit overwhelmed by all the options. At first I was considering the SkyConnect stick, but I read some bad reviews. Do most of the USB dongles listed here: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended require any additional steps or is it just plug-and-play roughly speaking?
And this list assumes I use Z2M, but I also read some differing reviews about using Z2M for newbies at it seems that ZHA is easier - but more limited. Is that correct? Would it be fair to start with ZHA and move to Z2M later once I have more complicated demands?
dusk kite
Ok the pins helped me a bit further, at least I have chosen the Dongle Plus-E by Sonoff for now (with USB extension cable). Will report with any more questions if they arise 🙂 Thanks for keeping the pins so well organised!
grim igloo
Ok the pins helped me a bit further, at least I have chosen the Dongle Plus-E by...
so you plan to use zha?
dusk kite
I guess it's a bit easier to start with, right
but it is also in the list of Z2m recommended devices if I am not mistaken
grim igloo
it is not
dusk kite
oh it's under experimental
grim igloo
The adapters below are experimental, don't use these if you want a stable setup.
dusk kite
so Dongle-P would be better then
grim igloo
that's what i use
dusk kite
fair enough
grim igloo
if you have the money you might look into a PoE coordinator instead
https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2022/ this is highly recommended here
dusk kite
Looks good, but I think I'll go with the Dongle-Plus for now. Will keep it in mind for future upgrades, thanks!
trail aspen
any recommendation for a IR transmitter?
muted meteor
Is there a way I can connect my SkyConnect remotely? It's no use where it's plugged in to the server, the signal barely reaches a few feet, and most ofnthe devices are on the opposite end of the house.
grim igloo
Should’ve bought a PoE coordinator
muted meteor
A what now?
trail aspen
A what now?
a zigbee coordinator that works over ethernet and also powered by ethernet(power over ethernet)
grim igloo
Scroll up I just suggested one to another person
austere patio
Is there a way I can connect my SkyConnect remotely? It's no use where it's plug...
You can use ser2net if you have another (Linux) computer to plug it into: https://github.com/cminyard/ser2net
grim igloo
Yea that’s the other option but then you now need to manage another device and full OS
muted meteor
Thanks I'll try out Ser2net and look for a PoE Coord in the meantime
I have plenty of Linux devices, I have Pi based speakers in most rooms
austere patio
To set up ZHA with ser2net, click the "migrate radio" button in the configuration page, select the "re-configure", then enter socket://ip.addr:port as the serial port path. The radio type will be EZSP.
grim igloo
I like the cc2652 based ones like the one I linked above
muted meteor
Sorry I missed the link
grim igloo
Otherwise tube also has the efr32 if you plan to use zha and not interested in trying z2m
That’s the one from above
@ tube makes them and has a good track record with hardware and customer support
However given you already having a pi per room the ser2net approach seems perfectly viable for you
muted meteor
I'll test it out and see what responsiveness is like
grim igloo
Puddly wouldn’t suggest it if it was bad
trail aspen
another method is to use ACTIVE usb extension cable to route it to somewhere closer to the zigbee devices but I can't think of a reason you might want to do this
muted meteor
Fair
grim igloo
He’s the guy who helped design the skyconnect and maintains zha along with a few others
The allfather if you will
muted meteor
He’s the guy who helped design the skyconnect and maintains zha along with a few...
Well in that case 😃
trail aspen
is the latest tube poe coordinators open source?
grim igloo
is the latest tube poe coordinators open source?
Yes I believe all BOM gerber files etc to make your own are on GitHub although maybe outdated
muted meteor
I'm in the UK, for shipping/shopping
grim igloo
He ships anywhere legally allowed fwiw
I don’t think he’s willing to hide one in a jar of peanut butter haha
muted meteor
Hmm, that might get messy/waste peanut butter
trail aspen
EFR32MGM21 is the more powerful one correct?
grim igloo
It was a joke and a reference to hiding drugs lol
austere patio
He’s the guy who helped design the skyconnect and maintains zha along with a few...
I didn't contribute to the SkyConnect's design but I do try to make sure the firmware works most of the time
trail aspen
I only see case and firmware 😅 https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways/tree/main/models/current/tubeszb-efr32-MGM210-poe
grim igloo
EFR32MGM21 is the more powerful one correct?
It’s the newer chipset with eventual thread/zigbee coexisting iirc I’m just happy with the old trusted chipset but don’t know enough to argue why it is or isn’t better
grim igloo
I didn't contribute to the SkyConnect's design but I do try to make sure the fir...
I wasn’t sure on the hardware side I should’ve specified
I figured if you dealt with the firmware side you had intimate knowledge of the hardware so it felt like a safe bet lol
@tube @trail aspen ie asking about open source on your coords for gerber files and bom to diy one
@molten linden tag didn’t work above^
trail aspen
yes, I wanted to do that long time ago but just forgot about it
muted meteor
It was a joke and a reference to hiding drugs lol
I got the joke, but peanut butter is peanut butter. Drugs are not, can't go wasting it!
trail aspen
I remember I asked about it long time ago
austere patio
It’s the newer chipset with eventual thread/zigbee coexisting iirc I’m just happ...
MG21 and MG24 both support multi-PAN but it's not as simple as forwarding a serial port, as multi-PAN requires a complex addon to run. If you can spare having two USB sticks, get one for Thread and another for Zigbee. You may also already have a Thread border router installed in your home (HomePod, Nest Hub, etc.) so you may not actually need coordinator support for both.
trail aspen
the base poe esp board sells for 25USD on taobao
grim igloo
I’ve forgotten what I’ve learned regarding thread at this point. I was under the assumption a border router wasn’t the same as a coordinator for thread and you’d need a coordinator still
molten linden
I will work on adding gerbers etc. bom's are pretty consistent across all devices
grim igloo
From an end user perspective thread and matter seem useless and immature given the current state of things and the fact that home assistant can already bridge the gap across protocols
austere patio
I’ve forgotten what I’ve learned regarding thread at this point. I was under the...
Thread on its own is "dumb" and doesn't deal with anything other than routing. You need a border router (any) to allow a Matter controller to onboard a Matter device over Thread.
grim igloo
Interesting
austere patio
From an end user perspective thread and matter seem useless and immature given t...
Give it time. Rollout is slow but devices work well so far and existing cloud-only devices being upgraded to local control via Matter (Nest thermostat) is huge.
trail aspen
wait, digikey selling it for 19 usd
grim igloo
Right but the problem is users want to future proof and buy new hardware but I can’t in good conscience suggest thread or matter over zigbee or zwave given the reliability and the fact that hass can already give us multi protocol interoperability
trail aspen
now I just need the gerber and print the case
muted meteor
I don't suppose there's any way to make my plethora of Hue devices routers for the network is there?
grim igloo
It doesn’t help that big companies like Philips won’t be supporting or using thread and that matter seems to almost still be an RFC as far as how things are supposed to work and supported devices
grim igloo
I don't suppose there's any way to make my plethora of Hue devices routers for t...
Yes…
You join them to a zigbee mesh and they work flawlessly as routers
muted meteor
I have hue bulbs throughout the house, using a hue hub.
grim igloo
Ditch that bitch
muted meteor
Yeah?
grim igloo
I did. I have 45 or so hue bulbs on a z2m mesh working very well
Hue bridge cannot handle 40ish devices and starts to show multi second delays. It’s in their documentation
muted meteor
Can I still pair switches to bulbs for if the coordinator is down?
grim igloo
My kitchen lights 7 cans, 1 bulb, 3 candelabra all turn on perfectly in sync now with my zigbee mesh using zigbee groups
sour shadow
Binding, and yes, if they support it
grim igloo
The bulbs and switches or whatever devices have to support the same command cluster iirc
So good switches and bulbs like hue will work fine but you can’t for example bind a hue bulb to an aqara door/window sensor cuz the sensor doesn’t support the on/off class (I think it’s been a while)
That was a bummer for my coat closet
muted meteor
That's fine, my existing stuff is all Hue
Do I need to do that physically with the devices or does ZHA help me? e.g. if I want to bind a hue motion to two bulbs in tha room?
I know the dimmer switches can do binding with a key combo
grim igloo
I personally don’t suggest that but yes you do in software I’m not sure the process in zha
muted meteor
Not sure how a motion sensor and bulb would bind though
grim igloo
I think binding a light switch to a bulb makes a lot of sense but not a motion sensor
muted meteor
The motion sensors are used to turn the lights on...
grim igloo
Motion sensor I use to run hass automations changing brightness and changing which lights are on based on time of day etc
Binding will always be the same brightness color temp etc
No overriding it with hass…
So very limiting
muted meteor
I have them in the bathrooms and the kids toy room so the lights come on when they go in, since they can't reach switches
grim igloo
After midnight for example only led strips turn on in bathroom and various rooms with motion sensors yet light switch turns all lights on
muted meteor
Yeah, I hear you. I want the binding as more of a backup in case the server is down
grim igloo
Right, hence binding to switches
grim igloo
Assuming you buy $50 inovelli blue zigbee switches
All others seem inferior at best in my opinion
Specifically speaking about the us market tho
muted meteor
Fair
grim igloo
Many are Chinese designed + Chinese manufactured attaching to mains voltage
That’s a hard no from me dawg
muted meteor
Yeah, no thanks
grim igloo
In my opinion zwave market is much better for light switches and zigbee for pretty much anything else
There are caveats or exceptions to the rule of course
muted meteor
I have Zwave stuff I'm happy with but wanted to expand to some other devices in the ZigBee world, IKEA stuff for example
grim igloo
I have both meshes working very well
muted meteor
Also wanted to get in on SkyConnect for matter/thread down the line
My Zwave stuff is working very well, and the hue ZigBee mesh works fine, but it would be better as a single network rather than running SkyConnect separate so I'll ditch the hub and move everything over
I have the hue hub blocked from the internet anyway so it tends to misbehave sometimes
grim igloo
the only thing you lose is the music reactive shit if you use that with rgbw bulbs
you can use emulatedhue or diyhue or other projects to emulate the bridge to get the same thing i believe
muted meteor
I used it at Halloween a couple times but I can live without
Would love to ditch the hub
grim igloo
i personally use wifi led strips with esp32 as controllers for rgb goodness
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/914682412099850280/video0.mov <- disco kitchen with zero rgb bulbs
muted meteor
I was looking for something like that for the kitchen downlighting. Got a BOM for that setup?
muted meteor
As we say here in England; You absolute beauty!
grim igloo
https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/wled-15w-color-bulb there's also bulbs like this that come preflashed with wled which can sync to other wled instances over wifi with udp
muted meteor
(though usually with more expletives)
muted meteor
Quite
grim igloo
he's got a bunch of videos and write-ups using some newer 24v rgbw strips that you might prefer over 5v rgb or rgbw strips
power injecting 5v strips sucks ass. anyways that's more a #diy-archived thing
muted meteor
Aye. Will head over there when I'm done messing with hue bulbs on ZHA
molten linden
now I just need the gerber and print the case
you will need a j-link / swd device to flash the module
grim igloo
is that different from just an ftdi adapter?
molten linden
yep
they also come in handy for unbricking the cc2652
from wrong firmware or other issues.
molten linden
well that too... might be able to do it with a pi and openocd I think . but I've never gone down that path.
trail aspen
you will need a j-link / swd device to flash the module
I guess this should work https://www.reddit.com/r/flipperzero/comments/z1lvmy/what_is_the_funcionality_of_dap_link_app_i_can_t/ since I have a flipper
molten linden
I assume so. no experience with it. I've used seggar j-link mini edu and the si labs starter kits with SI Labs Commander for flashing. And use the J-Link apps for flashing cc2652 if ever needed.
trail aspen
What's a the difference between jlink and swd
muted meteor
Jlink is a Segger brand isn't it?
swd is a generic term for Serial Wire Debug
Specifically, JLink is JTAG based
The Segger debuggers support SWD as well as JTAG and bunch of others
molten linden
you'd use the SWC and SIO pins (plus ground and 3.3 v) https://docs.flipperzero.one/gpio-and-modules
they go to swclk and swdio pins on the mgm210 module
rough quest
hello, i'm looking for a soil moisture to define if i need to turn on or off my water system. Can someone gimme some reference ?
last ruin
Anyone here tested the Zigbee Fingerbot yet? Looks like it's supported in Z2M now: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0001_fingerbot_1.html Any ideas about battery on those?
violet dagger
it has a battery
thorn kelp
hello, i'm looking for a soil moisture to define if i need to turn on or off my ...
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005534032945.html
This or rig something up using esphome
This isn't an endorsement, but I have seen these pop up a bunch in searches.
personally i'm waiting for them to drop in price before i pick some up. $30cad/ea is a bit much for me
a bit much considering i'd want a bunch
trim bay
Can someone recommend me a gateway which is connected over the LAN?
thick plover
whats the go to device to extend the range of your zigbee network these days? router is a Electrolama zig-a-zig-ah! (zzh!) fwiw
sour shadow
Routers are the devices that extend the range
The coordinator is the adapter that's at the heart of your mesh
Innr plugs are good, though you can also flash router firmware on those CC2652 based sticks
sour shadow
Where is "here"?
thick plover
Straya
astral seal
Most mains powered devices will do the job. Pretty much any decent plug you can get your hands on, plus Hue bulbs, other bulbs just check specs, and switches that require neutral wire.
thick plover
Most mains powered devices will do the job. Pretty much any decent plug you can ...
yeah I have loads of those but things just seem to drop off every now and then so this was my next solution
sour shadow
Some are "not great" at being routers, but if you don't buy cheap you should be fine
Ikea do router devices that don't suck
sour shadow
One.... 
thick plover
plus hue bulbs coming out of my ears
heady kayak
really depends how it's laid out. if the router is right on the edge of range, it probably won't help as much as one about mid way
and some devices don't like switching how they're connected
thick plover
so coordinator is at one end of the house, and there is a router right above it, some in the next room, the room after... must be something else 😄
grim igloo
plus hue bulbs coming out of my ears
You’re not killing power to routers such as bulbs are you?
thick plover
nah, always on
astral seal
I'm a big fan of trying to get things like my WiFi router, Zigbee coordinator, etc centrally located.
But if you've got a good distribution of Zigbee router devices, the other possibility is interference.
heady kayak
My stuff is pretty central, but I'm in a small flat, with a lot of bulbs
(someone went crazy with gu10 bulbs in my spare room. there are 12. in a 3x3 ish room.)
just glad I could move them to led, so i didn't have lots of power being drawn in there.
astral seal
Yeah my house is only about 1100 square feet, 102 m^2 for the metric gang, so it wasn't terribly hard to build out a stable Zigbee network.
serene crescent
zigbee doesnt seem to be working for me after the update, anyone else having issues?
astral seal
Describe the issues you're having. Are there any specific error messages?
serene crescent
The integration says it needs to be reconfigured, all the zigbee devices are unreachable
I rolled back to 6.3, I can update again and check, just need to update the docker compose file, one minute and I'll check
It says "Failed to Setup" ... going to check logs
nothing clear in my logs
"2023-07-06 15:18:00.080 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start EZSP = Silicon Labs EmberZNet protocol: Elelabs, HUSBZB-1, Telegesis coordinator (attempt 1 of 3)"
not sure what the issue is but when I go back to 6.3 it all works fine
molten linden
what kind of coordinator? are you using multi-pan if skyconnect?
serene crescent
I'm assuming you mean what antenna or whatever it is? Using the Silicon Labs HUSBZB-1
grim igloo
nortek strikes again
molten linden
is there anything else in the log? likely an error from zigpy/bellows
serene crescent
@molten linden , looking now
rapid dawnBOT
@serene crescent I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
molten linden
your zigbee.db or config folder is read-only
I'm not sure how this could have happened without some sort of corruption maybe .. @austere patio would you want to look at the zigbee.db?
serene crescent
I'm not sure either... but when I roll back it works fine, moving to 7.0 it stops working
I don't think the permissions could change back and forth with just an update?
molten linden
I'm not sure then.. puddly will hopefully have a better idea once he see's this.
austere patio
I don't think the permissions could change back and forth with just an update?
What other files are there besides /config/zigbee.db?
serene crescent
I see zigbee.db, zigbee.db-shm, zigbee.db-wal. I see those by looking in the config folder... is there another way you want me to look?
austere patio
Is ZHA currently running or has it failed to start? If it isn't running, delete the last two and try restarting
solid inlet
Hm... I have enabled automatic updates for ZHA, but how can I know if and when they update?
I found no entities as in Z2M, and the docs don't really tell how...
austere patio
OTA updates aren't exposed in the frontend at the moment
They just happen in the background
solid inlet
Thanks. Can I monitor version somehow then?
austere patio
You'll see (for example) Firmware: 0x00000015 in the device card
solid inlet
Ah, you're right, I've seen that. Are there plans to add this to the GUI eventually?
austere patio
Yes
solid inlet
(with support for HUE too perhaps?)
austere patio
Hue and others don't provide public APIs for updating their devices, all of the OTA images are effectively reverse engineered either from traffic captures or extracted from a Hue bridge
There will be a way to install OTA updates from files but I'm not 100% sure if it will be possible to make the above automatic
solid inlet
Oh... So is that what Z2M did too then?
serene crescent
Is ZHA currently running or has it failed to start? If it isn't running, delete ...
When I upgrade to 7.0 its labeled as "Failed to start". ... right now it's running... I will delete the last 2 and upgrade
austere patio
Don't delete them while ZHA is running
serene crescent
ok, I'll stop first
austere patio
You can upgrade and then let ZHA fail to start. Delete it from there, then reload the integration.
serene crescent
that worked, thank you
austere patio
So it now started back up on 2023.7.0 without issues?
serene crescent
yes, no issues, just checked all the zha devices, working as expected
molten linden
are those file left over from a in incomplete sqlite session?
serene crescent
I'm not sure what they are from
hybrid kestrel
is there a quick and easy way to migrate from ZHA to Z2M?
hybrid kestrel
the moment that becomes a one click task i feel like it'll be the end of ZHA
grim igloo
https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/16188 good excuse to use this time to read through this a bit
tldr if you are switching and installing z2m fresh you need to change some defaults like network_key, pan_id, and extended_pan_id if you want a secure install
also good time to rescan for zigbee interference and choose a better channel if necessary
hybrid kestrel
i've checked for interference before i started everything so i'm good on that end but ZHA does not show the Exposes like ZHA does
grim igloo
i'm a z2m user i understand the benefits (in my opinion)
hybrid kestrel
i got the zigbee fingerbot from aliexpress and cannot adjust the distance of the push
grim igloo
you can go down the quirk route if one exists
or ask for specific help here and see if it can be provided
instead of switching
grim igloo
part of the game man
hybrid kestrel
yeah, zha is good for the average user maybe but if you are buying stuff from chinese then z2m is the way to go
too bad i have over 130 zigbee devices
grim igloo
there is a way to transfer i just am not sure the steps
you might have better luck in the z2m discord
or searching here and seeing if the steps are outlined from someone
discord search can be fun tho
hybrid kestrel
discord search can be fun tho
i did that and saw your earlier responses saying the same things :))
grim igloo
dont tell anyone but every once in a while i'm wrong
@austere patio sorry to bug you but iirc it is possible to switch from zha to z2m without fully starting over right?
also maybe he would still prefer a zha quirk to get his device working "fingerbot from aliexpress"
austere patio
<@652580495892152331> sorry to bug you but iirc it is possible to switch from zh...
Best you can do is make sure Z2M doesn't write its own network settings and then hope it discovers devices over time
There's no other way to migrate
grim igloo
tinkerer if you're around can you clean up some of the older pins in this channel?
at the very least the first two pins are outdated and also doubled up
grim igloo
Best you can do is make sure Z2M doesn't write its own network settings and then...
so to dumb this down a bit more- you can theoretically copy over the network_key, channel, pan_id, and extended_pan_id to z2m config and it should pick up mains devices and the rest is a crapshoot?
austere patio
I haven't checked in a while but I think the ZHA backup format that you download from the integration configuration page is compatible with Z2M's coordinator_backup.json
So you should be able to just replace the file
grim igloo
interesting
austere patio
Then make sure Z2M's config file's network config matches that too
mortal jetty
Hey! If running HA in a container, do I really need to run it privileged for it to talk to my zigbee usb controller? I tried to pass /dev/ttyACM0 but got communication errors :/
hybrid kestrel
i'm trying the zha toolkit route
sour shadow
Hey! If running HA in a container, do I really need to run it privileged for it ...
Technically no, you can do it by passing devices through
mortal jetty
Hm, could it be a permission issue? How can I add the user inside the container to the dialout group?
sour shadow
If you're using the official image it runs as root
rapid dawnBOT
sour shadow
Share the error ☝️
mortal jetty
Thanks mate, I solved it. Very helpful rubber duck debugging... I passed the wrong device...
weak bay
Any advantage to this "xiaomi" compared to these generics you can buy by the bucket?
https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-window-and-door-sensor/
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/MCCGQ01LM.html
All door sensors seem the same to me
hushed hamlet
Any recommendations for a thermostat that supports ac and 2 stage heat (heat pump and electric auxillary)? I'm using ZHA and in the US
hard bloom
question, I have a zigbee sonoff 3.0 usb dongle and im having some range issues even when i have a usb extension attached. If i purchased this signal repeater: https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Range-Extender-Zi-Stability/dp/B0BXFBH6JR/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=zigbee+repeater&qid=1688676868&sr=8-5#customerReviews would it show up on my zha integration when in the add device section?
If so will it allow me to add zigbee devices that aren't showing up if I put this in that particular room
sour shadow
You need router devices
So... yes, though honestly, buy Zigbee plugs, they also serve a purpose (Innr are good)
You can expect maybe 6 to 8 meters of range between devices, unless you've got concrete/brick walls
sour shadow
Doesn't matter what you're using it for
Are those lights routers?
Are those switches routers?
grim igloo
Yesnt?
hard bloom
I’m sorry I’m pretty new to this space im not really sure
grim igloo
I second what he said above a dedicated repeater only device is a waste of money
molten linden
most any thing that has mains power and is not a Sengled light bulb is a router
sour shadow
Well, except for many switches
molten linden
(non-neutral stuff tends not to be as well)
hard bloom
Oh well they are Sengled bulbs lol
sour shadow
And the switches, are they no-neutral?
hard bloom
Yes
grim igloo
Oh well they are Sengled bulbs lol
sucks
sour shadow
Then you have no router devices, and it's no wonder you're having issues
molten linden
I'm convinced sengled bulb fw is buggy... what ever you do don't get a z-stack based router
grim igloo
you bought the one bulb that literally goes against the zigbee spec and does not route...
whoever suggested those needs to be slapped
hard bloom
Lol idk they were cheap
grim igloo
i'm cheap
sour shadow
I mean, if people are cutting power to the bulbs that's a good choice
grim igloo
you dont see me not-routing
hard bloom
Hmm
molten linden
I just added a note to my own zigbee router page, not to buy if you have sengled bulbs🤦♂️
hard bloom
In that case will that repeater work
molten linden
my guess is it's ezsp like the coordinator they started selling (I think) but not 100% sure.
sour shadow
Why not buy some Innr plugs instead
hard bloom
What are those
molten linden
(also ezsp)
hard bloom
Again I’m very new here so im not understanding some of the things being referenced
molten linden
ezsp is Silicon Labs' zigbee stack, z-stack is Texas Instrument's zigbee stack
hard bloom
Innr are smart plugs, that are known to be good routers
So they work as smart plugs in addition to being a kind of router/hub
grim igloo
So they work as smart plugs in addition to being a kind of router/hub
as a rule of thumb any device powered by mains and not battery will be a repeater with a few exceptions. you happened to buy the worst exception possible with sengled bulbs
sour shadow
Mains powered, and not Sengled, and not a non-neutral switch/dimmer
Plugs are a safe bet
hard bloom
Ok that makes a lot of sense bc I realized that people don’t seem to have that much of a problem with putting zigbee devices all over there house and I was having that problem only on the first floor of my house
grim igloo
Plugs are a safe bet
yes but still some of us like minimizing traffic on our zigbee mesh and energy monitoring plugs add to it 😛
grim igloo
Ok that makes a lot of sense bc I realized that people don’t seem to have that m...
if you have money buy hue bulbs man
hard bloom
Mains powered, and not Sengled, and not a non-neutral switch/dimmer
Do they have to have something plugged into them to work or could I just have them plugged in and paired
grim igloo
and never kill power to them
grim igloo
Do they have to have something plugged into them to work or could I just have th...
the devices themselves are what repeat. whether something is using them is irrelevant
hard bloom
if you have money buy hue bulbs man
I’m on a strict budget unfortunately
grim igloo
sad
hard bloom
and never kill power to them
If a power outage occurs or something happens where the power cuts will there be a big problem
Like will I have to redo everything
grim igloo
no..
the reason i said that is the zigbee devices create routes to know what to "jump" to next to get back to the coordinator (the sonoff)
if routers lose power (like hue bulbs with a typical light switch killing power to them) then all devices that use them to "jump" to the next hop and get back to the coordinator will fail
some devices will get new routes over time etc some will not it's device dependent. best case is to just not have routers lose power for other devices to use as next hop devices
hard bloom
Ok that makes sense
Thanks for the help
If you could send a link to those plugs that would be great
hushed hamlet
think they're talking about these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SQGG8Z7/
grim igloo
not sure of the benefits of that other than possibly payment to nabu casa
which isnt necessarily a bad thing
hard bloom
i have the nabu casa home assistant cloud subscription is that what your talking about
grim igloo
no
hushed hamlet
https://www.amazon.com/THIRDREALITY-Zigbee-Function-Certified-Required/dp/B0BPY5...
I was looking at getting these, but I don't need the power meter. Would the no power meter versions on the same page also be a good choice?
grim igloo
i'm talking about a company possibly paying nabu casa to be a part of their "works with" program
hard bloom
oh
grim igloo
aka third reality possibly funding them.
hard bloom
ok
molten linden
they are 15 amp too, innr had a US 15 amp version but it's not on amazon anymore... innr has way more options in UK/EU
hard bloom
seem like the third reality ones open up the possibility of other devices also so is that what i go with
grim igloo
i dont really expect them to be able to handle sustained 15amp
even philips hue @ 15amp will heat up and then turn off as they cool down as a protection measure
and i cant imagine any of these other companies being better than philips based on what i've seen lol
mortal jetty
So in a "typical" setup HA with a zigbee dongle will be the coordinator, and things like smart plugs will be both device AND router?
molten linden
innr was started by a bunch of ex philips employees 😂
grim igloo
innr was started by a bunch of ex philips employees 😂
fair but doesnt mean their hardware is as hardy
economies of scale are a bitch as i'm sure you are aware with your pricing compared to sonoff etc
hates crony capitalism
molten linden
my router is cheaper than aeotecs 😉
grim igloo
aeotec in the zigbee space is just weird to me
seems they want to charge a zwave premium for no added benefit
hard bloom
alright so they are both good i should just choose the one be done
molten linden
I know more about that than I can say.
grim igloo
well the form factor might be important
innr look like you cant put two in a typical us outlet
that is a considerable downside to some
grim igloo
cool
grim igloo
innr was started by a bunch of ex philips employees 😂
performance wise do you suggest them over third reality or no known difference?
like firmware wise / hardware limitations
molten linden
different chipsets. 3rd reality is pushing out ota updates, not seen any from innr
hushed hamlet
I was browsing SBCs and saw some of them only have USB 3.0 ports, is that something I need to avoid because of ZigBee interference? I saw the Odroid n2+ recommended on the home assistant website but I see in the pins here saying not to plug into USB 3.
sudden yarrow
Not directly - use an extension cable
hard bloom
im gonna go with thrid reality
heady phoenix
so i've deleted one of my hue light strips from the philips hue app, and trying to pair now, and it's not showing up anywhere
is there another trick to be done? perhaps with the remotes to reset it or something?
zigbee channel on the hue bridge is 25 and so is the zha config
sudden yarrow
Pull the powercord for 5 seconds and plug it back in for 5 seconds. Repeat this 5 times and it should start to flash - and start pairing mode
sudden yarrow
The Hue Dimmer method might also work. But I have always used the on/off method. Works for bulbs too (well - turning mains power on and off with a switch).
heady phoenix
yeah that worked great .. and looked up and found how to reset the aurora dimmer i have too which required crazy 3-press hold 3-press
sudden yarrow
Clapping hands 4 times, sacrificing some virgin's blood... the usual reset procedure
heady phoenix
oh man, looks like i may be doing some node red hacking to make the dimmer work since the events are not shown in the integration ... fun fun
sudden yarrow
If you are using ZHA you could use the 
and listen to zha_event - some dark magic can be done with that
heady phoenix
@sudden yarrow yeah, been doing that, but is there a way to set up automation based on those events without using node red?
sudden yarrow
Might need a bit more thinking than I am capable to at this time (1 am), but I think so
And Node-Red is still an option
astral seal
<@176078742286761985> yeah, been doing that, but is there a way to set up automa...
Yep.
trigger:
- platform: event
event_type: zha_event
hollow forum
Did you ever get your aqara curtain working? Even with the custom quirk I can't get it to work reliably
astral seal
What's your log say when it doesn't work?
When you tell a Zigbee device to do something and it doesn't, your log will show an entry with an error that says something like "failed after 5 attempts" and then an error code.
dire owl
Hi all, got a few of those 2023 Aqara Light sensors T1 and just paired it with ZHA/SkyConnect. It's working well except there's no battery level entity. Wondering if there's some driver update or quirk for this device. Cheers
heady phoenix
Yep.
```
trigger:
- platform: event
event_type: zha_event
```
ahh, interesting ... i put a blueprint on, instead of node red, but the dimmer control is sketchy, skips every turn so it's no where near smooth
solid inlet
Hi guys. I found this in my log [homeassistant.helpers.service] Unable to find referenced entities switch.tradfri_control_outlet_1 or it is/they are currently not available
Not that strange, but what is, is that this device was removed from my Zigbee network, no errors. So where and what is causing this boggles me, I have looked everywhere... Please assist
sour shadow
That's HA telling you that you're trying to use an entity that is either unavailable or doesn't exist
That's also not the error message that you shared that's relevant to this channel
solid inlet
No, true. This is the complete and current log after a restart; https://paste.debian.net/hidden/160a1f8a/
sour shadow
You want to use the ZHA diagnostics to see what channels are busy
That and remove switch.tradfri_control_outlet_1 from your areas/groups/automations/scripts/scenes/etc
solid inlet
Ok, sounds like a plan. Is this part of Home Assistant or something to get somewhere?
sour shadow
"this"?
solid inlet
ZHA diagnistics
sour shadow
That'd be part of ZHA
Like pretty much every integration these days
Go to the ZHA integration page, have a click around 😉
solid inlet
Ok, will try that, thanks 🙂
Ok, got the file, it is quite buzy... But can't read out anything of the Zigbee network settings, other than I am using channel 25...
rapid dawnBOT
solid inlet
Well.. pastebin warned me for spamming when trying
sour shadow
So? Use another site?
Also
Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view
But we know reading is hard 😛
ashen bluff
It's also full of ads
solid inlet
I meant paste.debian, wrote wrong name sorry, will try another one
here we go; https://dpaste.org/T4ekx
sour shadow
Channel 20 is looking good
solid inlet
😮 How could you read that out from that please?
sour shadow
Scroll down to line 469
"energy_scan": {
Oh! Should've guessed I suppose, but thanks! Have switched channel and will let it settle for a while and then continue. Thanks for the help so far! 🙂
solid inlet
Ok, so have restarted again, and still have these in the log, really jibberish to me... I get it has to do with ZHA comm, but what and more important, what could be the cause? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/83251148/
solid inlet
I am stumped... Whichever channel I choose, it always ends up with a warning in the log for allocating between 78-88%... Tried about 4 ones already. I never had this problem before switching to SkyConnect... Not implying anything, things happen, just odd. Anyone has an idea? I have tried moving it around a bit too
sour shadow
You've got it on a USB extension cable?
solid inlet
I have (read the inlay 🙂 )
I could try to add to it even more, haven't done that yet
my goose... 94.4%... So moving it wasn't exactly much better
and climbing. what is going on...
turned off the wifi just in case, only a coupe % diff so far, so probably not it
so weird. all Zigbee channels are more or less jammed. one down at ~ 20, but all else well over 50
Is this due to SkyConnect/ZHA being more sensitive than ZZH-stick I used to run? Maybe it was a bad idea switching then... 😦
I have no clue what this looked like before the switch, but has always worked fine
I even took the long way, not migrating, just to start fresh... So much for that thought
solid inlet
"11": 65.26028270288712,
"12": 68.14622793558128,
"13": 70.89933442360993,
"14": 82.35373987514762,
"15": 84.164247274957,
"16": 84.164247274957,
"17": 78.25348754651363,
"18": 62.257682586134884,
"19": 6.789392891308996,
"20": 68.14622793558128,
"21": 62.257682586134884,
"22": 78.25348754651363,
"23": 73.50699819621309,
"24": 85.82097888710312,
"25": 85.82097888710312,
"26": 70.89933442360993```Try updating your firmware
solid inlet
Try updating your firmware
Thanks, but according to this is should happen automatically; https://skyconnect.home-assistant.io/firmware-update/
sudden yarrow
"in the Future"
The Multi-PAN add-on can run the firmware flasher on add-on start. If the SkyConnect is used directly with EZSP and ZHA, it will not be updated automatically (yet)
dire owl
I'd still update it. I had similar messages in my logs because I updated to 7.3.3.0, but the latest zha dependency update (from 5 days ago), solved the problem.
Although my logs was only complaining about 1 channel having a lot of noise
It seems all your channels are noisy
solid inlet
Yeah, makes little sense that all channels have so much noise
sudden yarrow
Are any other electronics near your SkyConnect?
solid inlet
NAS and a router without antenna. I turned off my wifi just to test, had little to no effect
sudden yarrow
SSDs can cause interference (not sure about HDDs)
grim igloo
And usb 3.0 ports from other devices if close by
sour shadow
Yup, any USB 3.0, Bluetooth, or WiFi is bad for Zigbe
dire owl
And usb 3.0 ports from other devices if close by
@grim igloo that's a great idea!
solid inlet
Well, I tried with a longer cable to get the SkyConnect well away from everything, but same thing
grim igloo
Do you live in a bunker?
solid inlet
I don't think so... :/
The ZZH-stick I've used for years worked just fine, though over Zigbee2MQTT
so I suppose this came with the SC being more sensitive?
dire owl
@grim igloo what do you think about updating his firmware?
grim igloo
I’ve seen a few similar reports and wanted to blame possible hardware issues since it’s a new device but it always ends up being interference I think
dire owl
@grim igloo any thoughts?
grim igloo
I have no idea cuz I don’t know what it ships with versus what’s latest stable now nor do I know steps or a link to update it
dire owl
@grim igloo OK good to know
grim igloo
I’m not sure I would’ve moved from the zzh myself those are good devices
solid inlet
@sudden yarrow If plan holds, when will firmware upgrade be available? Months or longer?
sudden yarrow
<@176078742286761985> If plan holds, when will firmware upgrade be available? Mo...
🤷
grim igloo
That is a puddly question but idk if he’s sleeping
sudden yarrow
You can always update it yourself
grim igloo
Or if he even sleeps for that matter
dire owl
You can up now to 7.3.3.0 using cli think the website interface is 7.2.x
solid inlet
I’m not sure I would’ve moved from the zzh myself those are good devices
Agreed. I think I will move back for now, not so happy with how this turned out...
grim igloo
The jury is out if he’s a sentient AI or not I think
solid inlet
You can always update it yourself
By enabling multi-protocol?
solid inlet
Yes, that's what I thought too
dire owl
solid inlet
I have no Matter or plans for it even, just fell for the ease of use SC should provide
dire owl
Two options to update above
Second option gives you a more recent firmware
7.3.3.0
In running 7.3.30
Works for me
sudden yarrow
By enabling multi-protocol?
No. There is a Silicon Labs Flasher add-on for EZSP. If I'm correct, ZHA needs to be disabled, so the add-on can access the device.
solid inlet
Ah, perhaps something to try before reverting to ZZH then, thanks
Apparently running "7.2.2.0". Will the addon just upgrade it or do I need to reboot or something?
sudden yarrow
It will just update
rapid dawnBOT
@solid inlet I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
solid inlet
Thanks guys! Upgraded, lets hope it is a bit more resiliant now 🙂
true. I got 7.2.2.0 b190 through the addon. How would I go about an upgrade through CLI?
dire owl
solid inlet
Or if he even sleeps for that matter
LOL! That was funny... He probably is into Matter... 😄
dire owl
Hi all, got a few of those 2023 Aqara Light sensors T1 and just paired it with ...
Anybody know why the battery entity does not show up on this device? Also did a reconfig
solid inlet
https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/551843655682490399/1126856400132...
Thanks, got it now 🙂
muted meteor
Is it possible to pair a hue light strip that isn't very close if I put a router in between, or does it need to be next to the coordinator?
sour shadow
You always always pair Zigbee devices in place
If you need to move it to get it to pair then you don't have a healthy mesh covering the area you plan on using it in
muted meteor
So I'm trying to join the first device (light strip) that will extend the mesh into the house, but I am really truggling to get it to detect the hue light strip
i have a zigbee switch and the VINDSTRYKA (router) next to it, it has been reset using the hue dimmer switch, but i still can't get it to detect
the switch and router are working fine
sour shadow
Are you using the option to pair via the router, or just trying to pair it however it feels like joining?
sour shadow
Those two statements are contradictory
muted meteor
I thought they were the same; I'm clicking the + Device button on the bottom of the ZHA network page
Oh, I see what you're saying now, my bad
sour shadow
Either you're using the main option and it's pairing however, or you're picking the router
muted meteor
I read router as coordinator
grim igloo
He said above he’s trying to join the first device
So that wouldn’t apply here
That or I misread
sour shadow
Well, he then said that there's two others already joined
sour shadow
So... I have no idea what's really going on
muted meteor
So the router I put inbetween the strip and coordinator to try and help the signal reach the strip, but it won't normally be here
grim igloo
That’s silly
sour shadow
muted meteor
well ok then
sour shadow
If you move your Zigbee router (or coordinator) then you're going to cause problems with the mesh
If you move any Zigbee device after pairing you can expect issues
muted meteor
ok, so let me turn off the router, and see if I can get the strip paired
are hue light strips routers?
sour shadow
Most mains powered devices are
No-neutral switches/dimmers, Sengled bulbs, and some USB powered stuff isn't
grim igloo
i'm actually not sure on the hue strips
for everything else hue mains yes
z2m product page should say
muted meteor
ok, so i'm counting on the hue strip to extend the mesh into the house, my office and server rack with the coordinator are in an extension at the back of the house, and i'm struggling to get any range. The hue light strip will be the first device, closest to the coordinator
sour shadow
The coordinator is on a USB extension cable, outside the rack?
muted meteor
it's on a long extension cable outside the rack yes
grim igloo
like 10ft or less tho right?
sour shadow
And the strip is within 6 to 8 meters?
muted meteor
@grim igloo it is
grim igloo
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/9290018187B.html are you following the pairing instructions here
sour shadow
You've picked (or ZHA picked) a channel free of WiFi?
grim igloo
assuming that is your strip
muted meteor
And the strip is within 6 to 8 meters?
Yes, it's down a floor, but roughly 2 metres away through the floor
grim igloo
You've picked (or ZHA picked) a channel free of WiFi?
this is done automatically now btw
well it chooses the best it can
muted meteor
I have changed channel a few times, because their is a Ubiquiti AP 6 next to the rack
grim igloo
definitely something i wish z2m gets feature parity for
sour shadow
Yes, it's down a floor, but roughly 2 metres away through the floor
What's the floor made of?
grim igloo
l a v a
muted meteor
Wooden boards and beams, i'm in the UK
muted meteor
I'm not sure how
grim igloo
for fun he could try pairing right next to it and just re-join it later
just to rule out interference
muted meteor
I can't move the strip because its fitted
sour shadow
Any WiFi scanner will help (see the pins)
grim igloo
sucks
muted meteor
yep, just saw it, will test now
my APs would be the only intereference, i'm in a detached house
grim igloo
radio waves be magic yo
muted meteor
so the strongest AP where I am standing is channels 0-7
and 9-13
my hue hub is also still on, and pretty close to the SkyConnect
grim igloo
yikes
muted meteor
about 1m away from it, in the rack
grim igloo
that's spitting out zigbee
muted meteor
hue hub is on channel 25
i've set the SkyConnect to 15 now
my wifi doesn't go over channel 13
grim igloo
look at the image pinned again
what you just said tells me you didnt fully understand it
storm harbor
Is there a cheaper way to add Zigbee connectivity to my rooms than the linked one in #general-archived?
muted meteor
gah, yeah, i didn't
grim igloo
alternatively you can still use a usb coordinator attached to the server and mains powered devices will mostly be repeaters for the mesh but frankly the PoE is a much better solution especially given your use case @storm harbor
or buy a different cheaper PoE model
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended there's some listed here
storm harbor
main rooms all have TP-Link Wall Access Points with a PoE port available
muted meteor
I missed that the wifi channels and the zigbee channels were on a differnet scale
storm harbor
thanks @grim igloo
grim igloo
I missed that the wifi channels and the zigbee channels were on a differnet scal...
yes, a very important distinction lol
muted meteor
and do zigbee channels only cover the 3 wifi channels shown?
or is it supposed to be continuous but not showing intermediary channels?
i.e. I have wifi channel 8 free
grim igloo
for wifi you use 1/6/11 only @ 20mhz band width for 2.4ghz
even if uk goes to 12 and 13 not all devices do
muted meteor
I@m using 80mhz bandwidth
grim igloo
and for zigbee you use 15/20/25
grim igloo
I@m using 80mhz bandwidth
no, you arent
that's 5ghz band width
i cant imagine you literally have no 2.4ghz radio in use
muted meteor
ok, let me try again. I have a 2.4GHz AP centered on channel 3 extending all the way to 0 and 7
grim igloo
if so you would've made that choice intentionally and you'd already know the stuff i'm teaching you
grim igloo
ok, let me try again. I have a 2.4GHz AP centered on channel 3 extending all the...
yea this is not ideal
muted meteor
can i attach pictures here?
grim igloo
nope
muted meteor
what's the best way to show you a screenshot of the wifi analyzer?
muted meteor
i'm not sure what advice i'm supposed to be taking. As i understand it, there are no channels free
my wifi is laid out to not overlap and use up as many channels as it needs to
muted meteor
I'm not clear what you mean by "you use X"
does that include sidebands?
because my bands are centred on 3 and 11
weak bay
All door sensors seem the same to me
Am I right here? Only cool feature I ever saw was anti tampering
solid inlet
Ok, so finally got a machine ready to flash the SkyConnect using CLI. Question now is which file? I have 7.2.2..0 installed now, under beta I find Add Gecko SDK v4.3.0.0 builds for all firmwares. Is that it?
is seems to be the most recent file at least, but it's not named as the other, ie with NabuCasa in the name...
sudden yarrow
@solid inlet stick to the version the add-on has installed. That's propably the version the developers are recommending.
solid inlet
Ok. Got it. I don't want to brick anything, just trying to get it sorting the interference better, but this maybe not helping with that part
And yes, correct. 7.2.2.0 is marked as stable on github, so probably so
sudden yarrow
As long as your devices are working, stick a bit to your settings. Setting hopping sometimes doesn't help. As we say in emergency medical services: cure the patient - not the display's values
solid inlet
True, I can well give it a rest, just got cought in the loop a bit... Thanks 🙂
sudden yarrow
(Not saying optimizing and finding causes of interference is a bad thing)
solid inlet
No, of course not, and up until now I wasn't even aware it was as bad as it seems... I will go through all my devices now then and see that they have reconnected...
But still get ugly errors and warnings in the log... :/
sudden yarrow
Log entries happen...
solid inlet
indeed, but connection issues are no fun
loads of these [homeassistant.components.zha.core.cluster_handlers] [0x66AD:1:0x0300]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>') and I don't know how to figure what is causing them
is it because of the interference maybe?
sudden yarrow
Do your Zigbee devices work?
solid inlet
Most of them do, some fell off it seems
sudden yarrow
Give the Zigbee network some time to recover and maybe wake up the battery powered devices which fell off.
I suppose at this moment you can hardly differentiate real Zigbee issues and issues you may have introduced with your changes
solid inlet
I will. Not many that fell of actually, about 5 of 30 something