#zigbee-archived

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sour shadow
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Ok, so you can connect?

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Then use the exact same details for Zigbee2MQTT

hollow flint
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It says disconnected from server

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red box

sour shadow
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Ok... so you don't have a connection

hollow flint
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Ooh

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I have on test mosquitto

sour shadow
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Now you now the problem - fix your broker

hollow flint
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Can I use that one?

sour shadow
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No

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#add-ons-archived can help you getting your Mosquitto broker add-on working, but again start by checking the logs for that add-on

dire owl
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@austere patio happened a couple times today. I don't have any debug log however, this time it threw an error log just before this

austere patio
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Not much I can do without a debug log I'm afraid

dire owl
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does the first error cause a failed state?

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these are normal core logs

austere patio
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It's a communication error of some kind. What is your stick plugged into?

dire owl
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SkyConnect on RPi4 4Gb (8 ft extension cord)

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ZHA

austere patio
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HA OS?

dire owl
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Yes

ocean cloak
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Is there an easier way to set regions with the Aqara FP1 than the Z2M interface? It's kinda tedious

grim igloo
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I think the docs say no

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It isn’t that bad

ocean cloak
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Isn't it just sending an MQTT event? Surely you could just replicate that event

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But I don't see anything in mqtt-explorer

grim igloo
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Parse through the code I guess

ocean cloak
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{
  "level": "info",
  "message": "zigbee-herdsman-converters:xiaomi:aqara_fp1:region_upsert: create region 1 01:01:11:11:00:00:ff"
}

Just found this

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Though it's just from logs and it doesn't seem to have enough information

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Like which device it's directed at

grim igloo
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Doesn’t that level info mean log level is at info?

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Maybe change that

ocean cloak
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That's a good idea. I'm wondering if this is actually setting something inside Z2M and not the device so maybe it isn't sending a message? I don't think that would be the case though...

grim igloo
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Over my head man

ocean cloak
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Received MQTT message on 'zigbee2mqtt/Living room occupancy/set' with data '{"region_upsert":{"region_id":1,"zones":[{"x":1,"y":1},{"x":1,"y":2},{"x":1,"y":3},{"x":1,"y":4},{"x":2,"y":1},{"x":2,"y":2},{"x":2,"y":3}]}}'

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Although why wouldn't that show up in mqtt-explorer

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Also it's saying it received a message. If it was sending it to the device wouldn't it say it was sending?

fair mountain
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I've been having nothing but problems since I installed a bunch of Inovelli Blue switches. So I setup a separate z2m instance to test on a different zigbee channel (20), and I can re-pair all my Hue lights no problem: But the Inovelli one's refuse to complete the interview process. I know there was a recall due to antenna issues on them, but my unit isn't covered by the recall. Has anyone experienced these issues?

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I'm on the stable branch of z2m

drowsy goblet
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I'd message their support. I had 16/20 Inovelli Blue in the bad first batch but after installing replacements it's been pretty solid. I ended up ordering more. Ironically the only things that started to cause problems were Philips Hue light strips, both indoor and outdoor, as they weren't native to z2m and I had to keep the hue hub for it.

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I have 3 semi-permanent extension cords that I need to run in my garage. Here in Chicago everything is metal gang boxes and conduit. I can either mount 3x outlets wired to these little relays inside the metal gang box, thus switching the outlets and the regular extension cords plugged in to them, OR I could make a 3x outlet box that's hardwired like normal, but modify 3x extension cords with these little relays inline... somehow

fair mountain
drowsy goblet
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yeah that's what I figured

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the inovelli blue work ok in my metal switch boxes thankfully

unborn orbit
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having some network issues with devices dropping off. trying differing variables to see what I can do to fix it. am i able to change the dB output on my cc2652 without having to readd all devices in z2M?

sour shadow
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There's no point in making the stick louder, it doesn't help it hear other devices

unborn orbit
unborn orbit
sour shadow
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Then sure, you won't have to re-pair

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You have put the stick on a USB extension cable?
Picked a channel with minimal WiFi interference?

unborn orbit
fair mountain
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At least in my case I don't think its' an issue with interference, something is up with these Inovelli switches. I've now re-added the Hue's like 15 times (trying different zigbee channels) with zero issues.

rapid dawnBOT
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@unborn orbit When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

unborn orbit
sour shadow
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You can use the option to pair via a given router

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That's even recommended for Xiaomi's Zigbee 1.2 range

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You can re-pair devices without removing them, to force them to connect to a chosen router

fair mountain
unborn orbit
fair mountain
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before I added the Inovellis' my network was stable as hell

unborn orbit
drowsy goblet
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do you have anything on network besides hue and inovelli?

fair mountain
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on this new network?

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no

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I have just added 6 lights and one switch (or attempted to add one switch) to test.

drowsy goblet
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hmm

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my problem was around 46 devices and when I added some older hue light strips everything went to hell so I put those bag on the hue hub for now

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I've got 10 more inovellis now, so once installed I will have 30 and see if that impacts anything

unborn orbit
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i've got 31 inovelli on the larger ntework and 16 on the other

drowsy goblet
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I think I had too many things connecting to the coordinator rather than linking through other devices

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I'm kinda scared because I'm about to move my coordinator to the other side of the house. I know you're supposed to link with everything in final position but I couldn't. Hopefully I won't have to repair everything.

sour shadow
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Well... any end device that's connected to the coordinator may not reconnect

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Anything Zigbee 3.0 should be fine, and router devices should be fine, eventually

drowsy goblet
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I'll find out soon 🙂

sour shadow
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Once it's moved, go around operating every router device and waking every end device and you'll find out

unborn orbit
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just paired the devices that fell off to other locations, i'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks Tinkerer

hybrid cloud
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Is there somewhere I can look to see if a device is using 1.2 or 3? Also do 1.2 devices make your network less secure at all

sour shadow
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Z2M tells you, sort of, and no they don't

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zclVersion seems to be 1 for Zigbee 1.2 devices, and 2 or 3 for Zigbee 3.0

austere patio
hybrid cloud
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interesting, i didnt even know this was a thing. is this supported in z2m? looks like it was never added in zha

austere patio
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It's supported by both but nobody uses them

grim igloo
austere patio
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No, nobody wants to scan QR codes when joining devices. APS encryption is also not fully supported by all devices so it's not possible to globally enable.

grim igloo
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Do devices have to be on the same ‘security level’ to route / receive traffic?

austere patio
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APS encryption is between two devices but the packets will be relayed just the same by intermediate devices. There's little benefit to be honest: if your threat model includes someone who is able to sniff your network key, you're in trouble.

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The implementation of link keys is also flawed for Texas Instruments, as it takes just one leaked link key to compromise all other link keys. Zigbee security isn't all that great to begin with so there's not much one can do. Matter is much better in this regard.

grim igloo
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But ultimately zigbee devices aren’t matter devices but rather possibly support thread in the future so that isn’t really helpful for our zigbee devices right?

austere patio
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Some may get OTA updates to switch them over to Thread for Matter but I doubt many will, most manufacturers will likely just expose them via a bridge

fair mountain
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I setup a CC2652P, Raspbee II, and EFR32MG21 all on Z2M. None of them would pair with these INovelli blue switches. Bizzare.

hybrid cloud
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interesting to note that some of my lights support transitions from on to off and on to on, but not off to on. is this just...a limitation of some lights? any remedy for this?

drowsy goblet
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pfak, one thought.. have you updated firmware of the zigbee dongle itself? I have the Sonoff P which is TI CC2652P + CP2102N and to make it work correctly with inovelli blue I had to update it.

fair mountain
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And the latest 6.13 for Embernet

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and the latest Raspbee II firmware

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@drowsy goblet The worst part is if I can get one to add to this system, its super responsive

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and the LQI is >100

drowsy goblet
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honestly LQI has been meaningless for my network

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literally the most reliable and fastest responding switches are like, 12 LQI, it's stupid

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I wish LQI meant something for me though to help see where problems may be

fair mountain
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Yeah ..

rapid dawnBOT
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@fair mountain I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
fair mountain
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what am I doing wrong?

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force is set to true, yet it still says no update is available when i check for one

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But debug still shows:

zigbee2mqtt-3  | Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-04-23 02:31:21: Got OTA request '{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4655,"imageType":257,"fileVersion":16908814}'
zigbee2mqtt-3  | Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-04-23 02:31:21: Is new image available for '0xe0798dfffec7d1cc', current '{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4655,"imageType":257,"fileVersion":16908814}', latest meta '{"fileVersion":16908814,"url":"https://files.inovelli.com/firmware/VZM31-SN/Beta/2.14/VZM31-SN_2.14.ota"}'
fair mountain
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nope. didnt fix it.

carmine hamlet
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That was a long time ago

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I found it

fair mountain
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OTA index override only work for ota.zigbeeOTA #12554

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guess i can try removing ./node_modules/zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/ota/inovelli.js

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that did not work

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guess i can try removing inovelli from ota/index.js

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mappign inovelli to zigbeeOTA worked, but now I get invalid image

shell bison
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in the end it didn't work, now temporarily to ZHA

sour shadow
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So... didn't look at the log?

fiery cave
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Hi all,
Is there a way to disable multiprotocol on my Sky Connect? I did this once before and I believe it was possible without having to use a flashing tool, but I can't remember how I did it. Can you point me in the right direction?

fair mountain
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@austere patio Is there a way to force downgrading the Inovelli switches? Do I need to edit the firmware?

austere patio
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I haven't tried them specifically but you can either edit the firmware or edit the package that only performs OTA upgrades. Why do you want to downgrade?

fair mountain
austere patio
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Then the device likely validates firmwares and only allows upgrades

fair mountain
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It is downright impossible to add an Inovelli switch even on my test network(s) (CC2562P, Raspbee II and a EMG)

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I did not have these problems when I bought the switches which were shipped with 2.08.

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Okay. That is what I figured.

austere patio
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You can probably downgrade by editing the firmware version within the file

fair mountain
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Just using a hex editor?

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I am surprised they aren't signed

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I have some still in the box, I may just build a little test rig and leave it on 2.08 and see if it joins. I'm ripping my hair out here.

austere patio
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I haven't checked the structure of Inovelli's OTA files so they could be, but I've yet to see any that are

fair mountain
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What would you use binwalk?

austere patio
fair mountain
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You know what? Probably not worth either of our tim to investigate. I have a spare junction box somewhere and I'll cut the end off of a power cable and see if 2.08 joins properly.

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Is there anything I can look into specifically to see why inclusion is failing? I setup a test network with 6 Hue lights, 2 battery powred devices and I try to add the Inovelli and it just doesnt show up like 95% of the time.

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Sometimes it will start the interview and then fail

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This is with either z2m or ZHA, across all my Inovelli switches since 2.14 (I have ~24)

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With 3 different kinds of coordinators. The USB onse on USB2.0 extensions that are shielded and at least 6 feet.

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Once they join their LQI is high, which I mean si not a particularly good indicator .. but ..

hollow plume
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Hi, I'm migrating to SkyConnect from Sonoff ZHA - is the "data flow control" option during setup buggy? It defaults to an entry without a label, one would assume default selection is the one to adopt, but I have no idea what I'm looking at. Any idea/hint?

austere patio
fair mountain
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So it's not a firmware issue. 2.08 has the same issue, z2m can't even find quirks for the device.

fair mountain
austere patio
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You'll see its beacon request frames

fair mountain
austere patio
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Well both, the beacon frames indicate that it's asking surrounding routers to send out a beacon, and then it picks a router to join via with an association request

fair mountain
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okay I see the beacon frame, and then the association request. z2m then tries to interview it and fails

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i see the coordinator sending APS command

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and then I see it doing a link status and such but no response

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hrm how in wireshark do I get it to show the extended address of the source

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oh. apply as column

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so much iControl and iTron traffic

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@austere patio
https://paste.pfak.org/jrfzmI

So it does an association request, the coordinator tries to get data from it.. and it never responds again

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Wireshark filter:
(wpan.src_pan == 0x2052)||(wpan.dst_pan == 0x2052)

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So this makes me think there is either something wrong with the device handler, or there's something incredibly wrong with these switches.

quick sonnet
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hello i'm having trouble pairing a lidl rgb light. Can anyone help? The coordinator seems to be communicating with the light but I don't understand why the pairing fails by looking at the logs

humble rover
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Hi, I am trying to use Niko wireless switches. I paired them with zigbee2mqtt but the device does not expose anything. Is there a way to get something for the buttons. I also use wired switches for which I have switches in HA. THANKS.

drowsy goblet
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pfak, do ALL your switches do that or just some?

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and you said once they connect they work? they just dont connect?

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how many devices do you have on the coordinator? maybe everything is trying to pair to it and there are too many devices directly connecting

fair mountain
fair mountain
fair mountain
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heck, I just setup a fresh install of HA on an rpi, a brand new coordinator out of the box.. same behaviour

drowsy goblet
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not 180 on a single coordinator, the majority must be connected as a mesh

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I think I read there were limits ~15 or something that can directly connect to a coordinator

fair mountain
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Source routing is enabled.

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Anyway, irrelevant.

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(Number of devices, that is.)

drowsy goblet
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yes, for the test network with 1 device

fair mountain
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I have 4 test networks setup

drowsy goblet
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maybe interference? either from usb 3 or from other 2.4g stuff?

fair mountain
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but all my other devices work just fine?

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If that is the case, there is something seriously wrong with Inovelli's implementation of zigbee

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my Sengled power plugs, my >120 Hue bulbs, smart locks, aqara devices, hue sensors all work fine

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My test networks:

1 CC2625P on Channel 25 (20221226 stable)
1 Raspbee II on Channel (latest firmware)
1 EMB21 (?) on Channel 20 (20221226 stable)
1 CC2625P on whatever ZHA defaults to, and the firmware SONOFF ships

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same behaviour with Inovelli, either they fail to respond to the beacon acknowledgement or they join and fail the interview

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If I try like 30 times I can get ti to add

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While ive been testing I've moved Hue lights around to the various networks all day .. zero issues

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and added some test aqara sensors

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I just added an Aqara motion sensor, SONOFF motion sensor and Hue dimmer in about twenty seconds.

fair mountain
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zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:35.773Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks check for 'undefined'-'undefined'-'Unknown'
zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:35.774Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks did not match
zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:35.774Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - node descriptor request failed for '0x6c5cb1fffe5e8b37', attempt 6
zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:35.775Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks check for 'undefined'-'undefined'-'Unknown'
zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:35.776Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks did not match
zigbee2mqtt-1  | 2023-04-24T00:10:36.172Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - failed for device '0x6c5cb1fffe5e8b37' with error 'Error: Interview failed because can not get node descriptor ('0x6c5cb1fffe5e8b37')
hybrid cloud
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i seem to have purchased a temperamental xiaomi device

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whats the best way i can try to force it to connect through by most reliable router

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also if anyone has any other tips on how to fix connection issues

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i bought 2 in a pair and the other one works perfectly

queen gazelle
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Hello, Someone have already communicate between an esp32 and a ZigBee Cordinator CC2530 ? I don't found any C library or projet about it

sour shadow
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Does your ESP have a Zigbee radio?

queen gazelle
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No sorry, I would like to connect my ESP to the CC2530 to receive data from external sensor and use it on my ESP

sour shadow
queen gazelle
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I already look at this site but I found nothing about ESP C Code to communicate with CC2530
I will check again thanks

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I would like to just send Hexa Command in my ESP to the CC2530 coordinator and get a response like Z-Tool

sour shadow
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You'll have to go from the device pages to the relevant git repos

queen gazelle
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The device ?

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I don't understrand the link between the cc2530 and end device (like sensor)

sour shadow
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Well.... your CC2530 will need to act like a coordinator

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So, you'll need coordinator firmware on that chip

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Then you'll need to write your own Zigbee stack handler for the ESP

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Shouldn't take long 😛

queen gazelle
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Yeah I already have a coordinator program on my card, I can already send and receive data in Z-Tool

sour shadow
queen gazelle
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I can't use custom esp firmware for my project :/

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The problem is the esp->coordinator link

sour shadow
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Ah... school/college/university project then

queen gazelle
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Yeah exactly

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I can't send screen of Z-tool, don't have permission

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Why AT Command don't work ;-;

sour shadow
queen gazelle
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Ok thanks

restive oracle
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This is not a home assistant question as much as it is a zigbee topology question: can any zigbee pro corroborate the following : "Avoid adding Zigbee lightbulbs to your hub in combination with other Zigbee devices, since the lightbulbs will try to act as routers, but unfortunately they only perform this role properly with other lightbulbs. " source : https://docs2.hubitat.com/how-to/build-a-solid-zigbee-mesh

sour shadow
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That's.... not entirely accurate

restive oracle
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please elaborate

sour shadow
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Some bulbs (Osram) are shit routers, and some aren't routers at all (Sengled), but others are just fine

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There's plenty of people here who's mesh backbone is bulbs

restive oracle
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thanks... you'd think that hubitat would verify their claims before putting them in writing.

sour shadow
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Well, they may have written that based off of some bad devices shrug

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Besides, inaccurate information is the norm 😛

restive oracle
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it's hilariously bad. thanks again.

south moth
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I am on Sonof ZHA and IKEA signal repeater keeps loosing the network are it's routing capabilities, naturally. Is there a way to stabilise it, upgrade FW somehow. It's making the NW unstable, forcing the device to connect to the router

fair mountain
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okay this is bonkers

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The inovelli blue switches ive been having problems pairing with CC2625P and Raspbee II

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this AM i tried with an embernet controller.. and it just worked

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ah but it only worked once

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removed it, tried to re-pair it.. no go

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Device starts the interview process, blue LED still blinking but then exits pairing mode before the interview completes.

drowsy goblet
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Been too busy to look at this seriously but I'm really curious what issue you are encountering and hoping we can help fix it

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might have more time today

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how have you been resetting your switches? pull power or air gap tab thing?

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or the button hold

fair mountain
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I got it to pair 3 times now with this embernet on 2.08

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just OTAing it now to 2.14

drowsy goblet
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hmm, interesting

fair mountain
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lol these switches have been garbage

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I have had to RMA two already for stripped lugs from factory

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and now I wake up this morning and my 4 Hue bulbs in my bathroom are buzzing

drowsy goblet
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Are the hue bulbs in the bathroom on a multi-way setup with a non-inovelli switch?

fair mountain
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nope

drowsy goblet
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I had a similar issue where the other switch was causing big problems

fair mountain
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also my whole house is inovelli switches now (which is turning out to be a mistake)

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well, like 4 leviton left

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but no, the bathroom is not a multi way.

mighty river
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hey i've switched from a conbee 2 to a sonoff -p, as my previous stick didn't support a function i needed
i run HA and z2m in docker compose
when i switched to the new stick it repeatedly shows this

Using '/app/data' as data directory
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 15:00:43: Logging to console and directory: '/app/data/log/2023-04-24.15-00-43' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 15:00:43: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.3 (commit #24c6b2e)
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 15:00:43: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.103)
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 15:00:53: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 15:00:53: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 15:00:53: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 15:00:53: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 15:00:53: undefined```
switching back to the old one, it works
drowsy goblet
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I had a Hue light fixture buzzing a LOT when I swapped one of the 3-way switches to Inovelli, due to the fact that the other switch had a tiny LED in it that you couldn't even see, but it really messed with the power

fair mountain
drowsy goblet
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luke, did you update the firmware of the sonoff P dongle?

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I had a very similar error when I first got mine but updating the firmware solved it all

fair mountain
sour shadow
fair mountain
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and the previous zigbee switches (leviton did not have buzzing.)

mighty river
drowsy goblet
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the inovelli are more sensitive than "regular" smart switches for sure

fair mountain
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./cc2538-bsl.py -ewv -p /dev/serial/by-id/... --bootloader-sonoff-usb CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20211217.hex

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for example.

opaque chasm
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I have a Zigbee Multi Socket and I have the problem that ZHA identifies the sockets as lights. That si odd. How can I change that?

fair mountain
ashen bluff
fair mountain
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So the paired switch has an LQI of ~200, so I don't think it's a signal issue.

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I was reading the decisions they made regarding TRIAC vs. MOSFET vs. whatever they ended up using, and it seems like they went for the lower cost option and/or having multi SKUs, and sometimes "one size fits all" approach does not work.

drowsy goblet
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I don't know which switch was doing bad things, if it was the inovelli being too sensitive or if the other switch I had was causing electrical interference. In my case I suspect it was the other switch since the led would flicker even before any inovelli switches, but that may not always be the case.

mighty river
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xD

fair mountain
drowsy goblet
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So far the only thing I don't like about the Inovellis myself is the wire terminals. It's nearly impossible to wrap solid wire around the screw, you really have to use the backstabs, and while they are nice backstabs it makes the wires sit deeper in the box than I'd prefer especially since the switches themselves are so deep.

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If they had slightly more clearance I could just wrap the wire around the screw and do it like a normal outlet.

fair mountain
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hehe

drowsy goblet
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but otherwise they've been great for me.

fair mountain
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I prefer side screw terminals, but I actually was like "wow these backstabs are nice"

drowsy goblet
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I gave up on the side screw terminals after 2-3 switches, it was just way too hard to get the wires in there

fair mountain
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I have a lot of boxes where I had to use both terminals to reduce wire fill

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box fill*

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One box in my house has 7 cables which is like CEC max box fill lol on a 58cu in box

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3 gang

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What isn't so nice is the lack of reliable grounding via the screw on the plate.

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This was a "fuck it, it's plastic, if they are actually cUL certified like it's stamped I can avoid using the grounding terminal."

drowsy goblet
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getting ground from the screws connecting to the box itself?

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yeah I hope that works too lol

fair mountain
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(CEC /local code = grounding is acceptable via the grounding strap and/or metallic box.)

drowsy goblet
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here in Chicago everything is metal boxes, conduit, ground is from the connection itself no ground wires anywhere

fair mountain
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heh

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here in Vancouver everything is metal boxes OR bonded plastic boxes.

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so idk why they did what htey did, i checked with a multimeter and I have continuity between the screws on the device itself (the 4 small ones) and the box so ...

fair mountain
drowsy goblet
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honestly I love it, but everyone else in the country thinks it's crazy

fair mountain
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I am going to PM you since this is totally outside the scope of this channel 😉

drowsy goblet
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true haha

fair mountain
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so what I notice with the Inovelli pairing process is z2m or ZHA will just not get a response back when it queries the endpoints

mighty river
sour shadow
#

Did that MQTT server line work before?

#

Typically I expect to see a port there

fair mountain
#

you dont need a port #, and that isnt the issue hes experiencing

sour shadow
#

You may also want to up the log level to info

mighty river
sour shadow
#

Then I'd up the log level and see if you get more information on the problem

mighty river
# ashen bluff Can you enable debug logging? <https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/usage/debug.html...

now this is the output i recieve

Using '/app/data' as data directory
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-04-24 16:48:05: Loaded state from file /app/data/state.json
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 16:48:05: Logging to console and directory: '/app/data/log/2023-04-24.16-48-05' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-04-24 16:48:05: Removing old log directory '/app/data/log/2023-04-24.16-46-09'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 16:48:05: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.3 (commit #24c6b2e)
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-04-24 16:48:05: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.103)
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-04-24 16:48:05: Using zigbee-herdsman with settings: '{"adapter":{"concurrent":null,"delay":null,"disableLED":false},"backupPath":"/app/data/coordinator_backup.json","databaseBackupPath":"/app/data/database.db.backup","databasePath":"/app/data/database.db","network":{"channelList":[11],"extendedPanID":[221,221,221,221,221,221,221,221],"networkKey":"HIDDEN","panID":6754},"serialPort":{"path":"/dev/ttyACM0"}}'```
sour shadow
#

And the rest before the error?

#

/dev/ttyACM0 is passed into the container?

rapid dawnBOT
#

@mighty river I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
mighty river
ashen bluff
mighty river
#

wow i can't believe i never thought of checking the mosquitto logs, i just assumed it worked
No log line matching the '' filter
the only line, but it's marked as running

# 
1682347141: mosquitto version 2.0.15 terminating
1682347141: Saving in-memory database to /mosquitto/data//mosquitto.db.
1682347255: mosquitto version 2.0.15 starting
1682347255: Config loaded from /mosquitto/config/mosquitto.conf.
1682347255: Opening ipv4 listen socket on port 1883.
1682347255: Opening ipv6 listen socket on port 1883.
1682347255: mosquitto version 2.0.15 running```
#

that's what i would expect

# 
1682101690: New client connected from 172.18.0.1:36656 as 3quUGQ9mkIqmE007Dji02a (p2, c1, k60).
1682101828: Client 3quUGQ9mkIqmE007Dji02a closed its connection.
1682102061: New connection from 172.18.0.1:58600 on port 1883.
1682102061: New client connected from 172.18.0.1:58600 as 3bMcBvtMt0cPylCZXQ578m (p2, c1, k60).
1682102219: Client 3bMcBvtMt0cPylCZXQ578m closed its connection.
1682102227: New connection from 172.18.0.1:34020 on port 1883.
1682102227: New client connected from 172.18.0.1:34020 as 5HQ64HOTyvKFxSaZ1lJijd (p2, c1, k60).
1682102329: Saving in-memory database to /mosquitto/data//mosquitto.db.
1682103862: Client 5HQ64HOTyvKFxSaZ1lJijd closed its connection.
1682103930: New connection from 172.18.0.1:33150 on port 1883.
1682103930: New client connected from 172.18.0.1:33150 as 0HDdlZq8balvSc5Aqm0mKl (p2, c1, k60).```
it tries to connect
sour shadow
# 
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-04-24 16:47:52: Not connected to MQTT server!
#

Try the settings in MQTT Explorer or your choice of MQTT client

mighty river
#

i'm not quite sure what you mean

ashen bluff
#

Use http://mqtt-explorer.com/ and try to connect to the server address you've set in your configuration.yaml
What does your mosquitto.conf look like?

mighty river
# 
persistence_location /mosquitto/data/
log_dest file /mosquitto/log/mosquitto.log
listener 1883

## Authentication ##
allow_anonymous true```
sour shadow
#

Ok, so it should allow unauthenticated access

mighty river
#

oops sorry for the ping

fair mountain
#

x11 forwarding 🙂

dawn sable
#

Does anyone have any recommendations on the best RGB + CCT LED controller? Looks like the GLEDOPTO controllers are the most popular, but I've not found much in the way of definitive feedback on specific models.

ashen bluff
mighty river
#

i get this when i log in

info = {"commit":"24c6b2e","config":{"advanced":{"adapter_concurrent":null,"adapter_delay":null,"availability_blacklist":[],"availability_blocklist":[],"availability_passlist":[],"availability_whitelist":[],"cache_state":true,"cache_state_persistent":true,"cache_state_send_on_startup":true,"channel":11,"elapsed":false,"ext_pan_id":[221,221,221,221,221,221,221,221],"last_seen":"disable","legacy_api":true,…
devices = [{"definition":null,"disabled":false,"endpoints":{"1":{"bindings":[],"clusters":{"input":["genBasic","genTime","genOta"],"output":["genPowerCfg","genPollCtrl","ssIasZone"]},"configured_reportings":[],"scenes":[]},"242":{"bindings":[],"clusters":{"input":[],"output":["greenPower"]},"configured_reportings":[],"scenes":[]}},"friendly_name":"Coordinator","ieee_address":"0x00212effff097d0a","interview_…
groups = []
extensions = []
config = {"commit":"24c6b2e","coordinator":{"meta":{"maintrel":0,"majorrel":38,"minorrel":114,"product":0,"revision":"0x26720700","transportrev":0},"type":"ConBee2/RaspBee2"},"log_level":"info","network":{"channel":11,"extendedPanID":"0xdddddddddddddddd","panID":6754},"permit_join":true,"version":"1.30.3"}```
#

apparently it's offline

mighty river
sour shadow
#

Eh, adding authentication takes 3 seconds and there's no reason not to IMO

mighty river
#

true, but i'm lazy :P
i'll probably add it later

#

i have no idea what to do with the information i got from this tool

mighty river
fair mountain
#

lol now the inovelli switches refuse to bind to groups. sigh.

#

but if I find the group to the switch, it works

#

~_~

sour shadow
mighty river
fair mountain
#

which one?

#

20221226 is 'stable',

mighty river
#

that's the one i used

#

CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20221226.hex

#

i also noticed i have to re-launch mqtt and z2m when i boot

hushed tundra
#

Can someone recommend affordable temperature/humidity sensors? The Aqara ones are $24 per sensor here, which is just way too much. I have some from Aliexpress that claim to be TuYa ones, but I keep running into problems with those. Anytime they are connected to a router, they just drop off after a couple of hours never to be seen again. At least I think it's the sensors, then again, the ones connected to the coordinator are always fine, so maybe it's something else? I don't know anymore, all I know is that it's flaky af with both ZHA and zigbee2mqtt and I just want a working network

tropic depot
#

Tuya is trash

#

the aqara ones really are the best

#

you can often get them cheaper on Ali

hushed tundra
#

Is there a middleground that's still not trash but also not $24/sensor? 😄

tropic depot
#

they are like 10-12 on Ali

hushed tundra
#

Yeah, I just saw that

tropic depot
#

where are you getting 24 from?

hushed tundra
#

That's more reasonable

tropic depot
#

amazon?

hushed tundra
#

Yeah

tropic depot
#

Ali all the way unless you need it fast

#

that's convenience tax

#

lol

hushed tundra
#

Fair point

#

AliExpress it is

#

While on the topic, what do I want for door/window sensors?

#

Don't say Aqara again, cuz those are actually expensive even on aliexpress

#

20 are $240!

carmine hamlet
#

cheap, small, pair flawlessly, can get a bunch at once

hushed tundra
#

Those look exactly like the ones I have right now

carmine hamlet
#

out of 20 or so, I've only had one that's flaky

hushed tundra
#

Huhh, my success rate with those is a lot lower

#

Although it's hard to say. Temperature is easy to monitor and make sure it updates

carmine hamlet
#

I had one that was sitting in its box for a while and I've had a lot of trouble getting the battery to make good contact for some reason

fair mountain
carmine hamlet
#

The current promo banner is amusing in this context:

image.png
#

on Zigbee 3.0 door/window sensors!

#

be sure to put AliExpress on your wedding registry

grim igloo
hushed tundra
#

I didn't even realize there was a wedding season. Guess my wife and I screwed that one up

hushed tundra
drowsy goblet
#

I think the Aqara sensors dont reroute to other routers they stick to the first one, right? I'm not sure about Hue

#

but Hue stuff in general is pretty rock solid and generally just works most of the time

sour shadow
#

Aqara's Zigbee 1.2 range behaves like that

#

Their Zigbee 3.0 range re-routes fine

fair mountain
#

How can you find the 3.0? Every time I order I still get 1.2

sour shadow
#

Perseverance ... and lots of searching impatiently

carmine hamlet
#

My experience is that the ones that are Zigbee 3.0 explicitly mention it repeatedly, while the older ones do not

sour shadow
#

There's also a lot of luck involved. I've been trying to find some E1 door/window sensors for a few weeks now, after posting here I had another search and found two sellers who're shipping outside of China party_cat

fair mountain
#

Literally the only devices having issues pairing are my Inovelli. I just moved a bunch of Hue, Leviton zigbee devices.. no problems.

#

Inovelli take like 10 tries per switch.

hushed tundra
#

Weird, I found everything a pain to pair, including supposedly reputable stuff like sonoff

#

Takes forever to get one of their dang things to pair

#

Although whatever, pairing pain is temporary. My real issue is devices dropping off the network and never coming back

austere patio
#

Both sound like symptoms of interference

ocean cloak
#

Is there any general consensus on Hue motion sensors? I have 3. One was fine for like 5 months then would connect but then never send updates. Freaking thing is that I got it replaced and the new one did the same thing. Maybe it's something about it's location? But it's in the same room as the coordinator

#

I have another one which after replacing the battery might be a little fritzy too. Then I have my kitchen one, furthest from the coordinator and it's been rock solid

#

I don't think I'll buy another. I got it over Aqara ones cuz it had a quicker refresh rate, but mainly cuz it also has a temp sensor. But the temp sensor doesn't really update often enough to do anything with heating/cooling

grim igloo
#

longest battery life, lowest retrigger time, most accurate lux and temp, motion events never fail

ocean cloak
#

Yeah I dunno what the deal is with this one in my office

#

Maybe I should try swapping it's location with the one in the kitchen, but I'm worried this room is like cursed and the kitchen one is gonna get messed up too

grim igloo
#

idk probably worth looking at logs

autumn beacon
silver pollen
#

Hi. I was wondering if it is possible to build a temporary mobile zigbee2mqtt/HA setup just for pairing new devices. My HA and Zigbee2mqtt instance is running as a VM on a server with a Zigbee USB dongle attached. I would now like to add roughly 60 devices, but I can't carry the server around in my house so that I can get close with the Zigbee dongle to the individual devices for the pairing process. Is it possible to use something mobile (e.g. a Raspberry with battery pack) with a Zigbee dongle, use it for all the pairing and then somehow migrate the pairing info to the large and heavy server ?
As an alternative I also thought about running the HA/zigbee2mq VM on a laptop for the pairing and then moving the VM from the laptop over to the server.

Any suggestions ?

sour shadow
#

Yeah... don't do that

#

That's a great approach for screwing yourself over

#

Start by pairing your (Zigbee) router devices in their final location, spiralling out from the coordinator. Then pair the end devices, also in their final location.

silver pollen
#

Hmm, so the Zigbee pairing messages from the far away ZigBee devices will get transported over the mesh network that has already been set up by the devices that are closer to the coordinator ? If that is the case: Cool ! 🙂

sour shadow
#

That's how mesh networks work

silver pollen
#

Do you think it would be a good idea to have multiple zigbee2mqtt instances ?
The server is in the basement. I placed a zigbee lamp as a router in the staircase on each floor. I would hope that that is sufficient to reach all the devices.

#

Thanks !

sour shadow
#

But there's a lot of knowledge in the pinned messages

#

You'll likely want more than one router per floor

silver pollen
#

Yeah, on each floor I have multiple lamps that will act as router

sour shadow
#

Then you should be fine, as long as the floors aren't solid concrete

silver pollen
#

But in the staircase there is just one. And I have concrete walls 😉

sour shadow
#

You'll need to take a bit more care with positioning then, but it should still be fine

#

I have Zigbee devices talking merrily through a concrete wall, but their locations mean it's travelling a short distance through the wall, rather than at an angle

#

I also have one talking at quite an angle without issue, so as always YMMV

silver pollen
#

What about delay times. Let's say your coordinator is a few floors away and it needs to go over 5-6 routers. Is there a significant delay ?

sour shadow
#

Not really

#

The Zigbee mesh is faster than a Z-Wave mesh, and you should be largely fine as long as you don't have interference

silver pollen
#

And yes, I tried to place the lamps that should act as routers in a way that they have more or less direct line of sight to the next router

#

Thanks for helping ! I'll try out the pairing today 😉

#

I've had a similar setup in my old apartment and it was working fine. But now I moved into a house and I was a bit unsure 😉

#

I.e. a house with concrete walls and floors 😉

rapid dawnBOT
#

@mighty river I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
mighty river
#

well, that makes it a little hard to read xD

sour shadow
#

Code share sites avoid that problem 😉

#

Your Z2M config... it didn't enable the frontend

mighty river
#

yeah, adding frontend: true did not solve it yesterday, allthough i don't remember removing it

#

nor specifying the port

mighty river
#

nevermind, another restart did the trick...

#

well thanks anyway :)

#

super confused why it didn't work yesterday xD

slow raven
#

Hi, i just purchased this device https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS110E_2gang_1.html#tuya-ts110e_2gang_1 and its working as it supposed to by itself but iam trying to dimm the light bulbs that are not able to use whole 255 spectrum. I noticed that its sending also min and max brightnes pro channel but iam not able to configure HA to use only the spectrum i have defined 70-200. I have read the Z2M documentation and I have tried to configure device manualy in a addon settings as follows but it doesnt make any difference.
devices:
0xa4c138c442f946c4:
friendly_name: Living Room Lamp
min_brightness: 70
max_brightness: 200
Could you give me some directions where to look next or how to use it?

crisp pewter
#

@sour shadow I thought I recognized the name. You are everywhere 😅

sour shadow
shell sigil
#

What’s the best zigbee dongle for home assistant?

#

Also can you use home assistant with a coordinator to pair two devices together. Ie a wall switch to a roller shade. So the switch talks by radio to the shade for it to go up down. Looking to minimize delay.

rapid dawnBOT
#

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

sour shadow
#

And to the second, that's called binding and some stuff supports it

dawn socket
#

Hi guys! why doesn't zha automatically add the devices "far" from the RPI but which are close to other working zigbee devices?

sour shadow
#

Because the devices can't reach the mesh

dawn socket
#

but it is 20cm away from the other device....

sour shadow
#

Is it battery or mains powered?

dawn socket
#

main powered... is a 220v switch

sour shadow
#

Could be interference

dawn socket
#

i've tried to add it via other devices ( the nearby device ) but nothing....

#

when i buy new device, I have to add it practically attached to the sonoff antenna ... then afterwards I can move it without a problem

sour shadow
#

That points to interference problems

#

You checked that you're clear of WiFi interference?

dawn socket
#

ah....i think is my wifi mesh system the problem....is possible?

sour shadow
#

Yes

#

WiFi uses the same channels as Zigbee, just numbered differently

dawn socket
#

how can i solve?

sour shadow
#

Check to see where the WiFi signals are, and find a quieter channel somehow

dawn socket
#

Ok, thank Tinkerer!!!!

viral cipher
#

I'm curious, if I do go zigbee for my primary hardware choice, do I replace my hue bridge completely and reconnect all my devices and reset everything? Truth is I only have about 10 hue bulbs right now and about half that many switches setup so it wouldn't be a gigantic undertaking, just a bit of work in HA to clean out all the old stuff I guess

sour shadow
#

Yes

viral cipher
#

yep yep

#

makes sense

sour shadow
#

You don't have to, but you'll get a better mesh if you do

viral cipher
#

yeah

clear cradle
#

I think here is the right place 😉
Do they make smart switches that toggle like a "regular" stupid switch? Or is that not possible due to how it connects to turn on and off

sour shadow
#

If you get one of the smart modules then those sit behind your existing switch, so your switch remains a toggle

fair mountain
#

and now I see the Inovelli devices dropping their children but not notifying the network (or so I assume, because they refuse to route)

#

I think there's something wrong with their Zigbee implementation.

austere patio
fair mountain
#

i now have 3 zigbee coordinators setup on 6ft USB 2.0 extensions for testing lol

#

I even setup an RPi with ZHA instead of z2m to test these damn switches

#

something is wrong.. very wrong

molten linden
#

👻

umbral pivot
#

Using ZHA I'm getting this error:
[DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE: 225>'), DeliveryError('Coordinator is disconnected, cannot send request'), DeliveryError('Coordinator is disconnected, cannot send request'), DeliveryError('Coordinator is disconnected, cannot send request')]

ZHA never initialises.

The device correctly registers on host OS as Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus and shows up on HA container (mounted at /dev/TTYUSB0, same as host)
This has worked flawlessly for a very long time, but seized working after a host reboot.

Edit: I have tried several host and container restarts, replugging USB, different ports. No avail

crisp pewter
#

Anyone familiar with custom quirks? I added a folder custom_zha_quirks and added the following to my conf file:

zha:
  database_path: /config/zigbee.db
  enable_quirks: true
  custom_quirks_path: /config/custom_zha_quirks/```

But for some reason it won't show as a quirk on my end device
still barn
#

i have a really dumb question that I am hoping someone can help with...if I install an aeotec zigbee extender, do I have to repair my existing zigbee devices to be able to have the device link to that extender or is it like wifi where it just roams to a nearby access point?!

fair mountain
#

Anyone know how to dump the EZSP firmware?

#

none of the flashing tools ive found can dump the image on the stick, like you can with CC2562P

still barn
timber lichen
#

Hey, all. I am dealing with a serious headache and I have no idea how to remedy it. I've been doing every ounce of research and cannot find a solution.

I am wanting to use an Aqara (original model) motion sensor to active a Lutron Caseta dimmer switch in my utility room. I am using Zigbee2MQTT, and I cannot get (out of the four) a single motion sensor to respond to an automation. It simply will not trigger. I am using the built in Motion-activated light automation blueprint, which pumps out the follwing YAML: (If needed)

alias: Utility Motion
description: ""
use_blueprint:
path: homeassistant/motion_light.yaml
input:
motion_entity: binary_sensor.utility_room_motion_sensor_occupancy
light_target:
entity_id: light.utility_room_main_lights
device_id: 69a77ce2d5c90fb0f7bb4a9d22a72e32
no_motion_wait: 121

Anyone have an idea what is going on there?

sour shadow
#

Yeah... you forgot everything we just talked about

timber lichen
sour shadow
#

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BLUEPRINT OR THE AUTOMATION

#

The problem is your motion sensor isn't reporting motion

#

So, step away from the blueprint/automation

timber lichen
sour shadow
#

Fix the problem, not the side effect

#

Right, but the problem IS NOT THE AUTOMATION

timber lichen
#

Yes, as you said, it's the device.

sour shadow
#

The problem is the device not reporting

#

So, forget about the blueprint

#

Forget about the automation

timber lichen
#

Are you purposefully a dick to people trying to get help on here?

sour shadow
#

They're irrelevant

timber lichen
#

You've said that, and I have a brain and understand that.

sour shadow
#

I'm trying to ensure people don't waste time trying to fix the wrong thiing

#

Does your motion sensor ever report?

timber lichen
sour shadow
rapid dawnBOT
#

@timber lichen When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

sour shadow
#

Does the state of the entity ever change?

#

if you look at the device in Z2M, when was it last seen?

#

If you look at the device in HA, when did any of the entities last update?

#

one of mine

image.png
timber lichen
#

No, I'm not seeing anything such as that.

sour shadow
#

What are you seeing?

#

When was it last seen?

timber lichen
#

My screen on the device's settings has no 'last seen' section whatsoever. It has "Friendly name", Retention, QoS, etc. Wish I could share a screenshot.

sour shadow
#

You want about

timber lichen
#

Ah, I see. Yeah, last seen says: N/A.

sour shadow
#

Then you can work out if they're ever reporting in

timber lichen
#

Man, that's strange. Thanks. Even, looking at the guide, I'm not seeing "how" to do this.

sour shadow
#

Those are just YAML bits you add to the Z2M config

timber lichen
#

Gotcha. Never had to do anything like that before. Are there config settings in the Z2M addon, or is this within HA itself?

sour shadow
#

The Z2M add-on

# 
advanced:
  last_seen: 'ISO_8601'
availability: true
timber lichen
#

Is that in the "extensions" area you can add the YAML?

sour shadow
#

It'll be in the add-on settings panel

#

You can also set Availability in the Z2M UI

#

Looks like last_seen can be done there too, under Advanced

#

No need for YAML... which changed some time in the last year or two ablobjoy

timber lichen
#

Gotcha, I see now. I have three sections in the /config/zigbee2mqtt: socat, mqtt, serial.

#

In the serial section that's where I initially configured my Soncoz USB Zigbee stick. Is there a specific section I need to pay attention here to input text?

sour shadow
#

You can either add those three lines exactly as I provided at the end of the file, or use the Z2M UI

#

Settings -> Advanced
Settings -> Availability

#

Using the UI removes the risk of you getting the YAML wrong

timber lichen
#

Gotcha, updated last seen to ISO_8601 within the Advanced Z2M UI Settings.

#

Not seeing how to enable 'last seen' though.

sour shadow
#

That's what you just did ablobconfused

#

Do you mean availability?

timber lichen
#

Oh, shit. Yes, I think so.

#

Not seeing how to enable the availability feature in the UI.

sour shadow
#

That's Settings -> Availability

timber lichen
sour shadow
#

Then it's time to restart Z2M

timber lichen
#

Cool. Will do.

sour shadow
#

You'll start seeing last_seen populated as devices check in (typically at least hourly, except for some devices that are every 2 to 3 hours)

#

If something reaches 25 hours without being seen it'll be marked unavailable

timber lichen
#

I see. Yeah, no devices are being shown. I take it it'll take 2-3 hours or so to show then?

sour shadow
#

Yeah, they all have to check in first

#

Mains powered devices will do that pretty quickly, battery powered devices may take an hour or few

timber lichen
#

Cool. I'll probably head to bed then, at that. Any tips on how to proceed? Perhaps retry the automations and such?

sour shadow
#

Well, ignore the automations

#

You still need to get the device working

timber lichen
#

Gotcha.

#

How would I verify it is working?

sour shadow
#

Walk in front of it?

timber lichen
#

That it's 'last seen'?

#

Gotcha.

#

I take it the log will show if motion is detected then.

sour shadow
#

Yup, that and just look at it in the Z2M UI

timber lichen
#

Cool. Will do so. Thanks again for the help. Hopefully I can take it from here.

#

Will be back if there is anything weird. Thanks again.

sour shadow
#

I juust walked in front of my sensor, it shows occupied under Exposes

#

The entity info in HA shows that and more

image.png
#

If you get nothing then you need to go back to basics

timber lichen
#

Gotcha.

sour shadow
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  1. Did you pair it in the final location?
  2. Did you pair it through a nearby router (good) or let it pick (bad)
  3. Did you pick a Zigbee channel clear of WiFi (good), or just stick with the defaults (bad)
timber lichen
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  1. I let it pick, that may be an issue.

  2. My Zigbee is on channel 15, with my 2.4Ghz network on about 8.

sour shadow
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And you've no neighbours with WiFi?

timber lichen
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I do, none occupy channels above 11.

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The LQI were all in the 100+ range too, which I believe is good?

sour shadow
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What?

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Channels above 11?

timber lichen
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Yes. Wifi channels.

sour shadow
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Zigbee channels != WiFi channels

timber lichen
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Yes.

sour shadow
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So, that nobody uses WiFi channels above 11 is irrelevant

timber lichen
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Was your question concern with overlap between wifi networks and zigbee?

sour shadow
timber lichen
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Ohhh. I thought they used the same channel numerics. That's odd then. Yeah, there may be overlap.

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So, I'd likely need Zigbee channel 25.

sour shadow
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Depends on what's going on around you

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Generally you want one of 15, 20, or 25 (or 26 in Europe, maybe)

timber lichen
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On my wifi analyzer, I'm seeing wifi networks all the way to channel 13.

sour shadow
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You need to find the one of those three with the least overlapping signals

timber lichen
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8-9 are empty, with everything else being pretty crowded.

sour shadow
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Sounds like Zigbee 20 then

timber lichen
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So, that would be about 20 on Zigbee, then.

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Yup.

sour shadow
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Also the other usual good things - make sure the Zigbee stick is on a 1M+ USB extension cable

timber lichen
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Didn't know that. That's good info they have different channel numbers.

But, yup. Got that as well. Should I switch channel while Z2M is checking for devices? Or should I wait?

sour shadow
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Well, you'll have to re-pair all your devices

timber lichen
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Oh, switching channels requires repairing?

sour shadow
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Yes

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So, plan a time when you can do that, and as always start with the router devices first, the end devices last (and explicitly chose a router for the Xiaomi devices)

timber lichen
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Got it.

long helm
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Hi, most of my battery powered devices are dead after a couple days.
Is there any solution for this?
I found a lot of people complaining about such issues for years but I can't really find a solution.

Some of my devices that are having issues

  • IKEA TRÅDFRI Shortcut button
  • MOES scene switch buttons (TS0042 and others)

My setup

  • HA 2023.4.1
  • SkyConnect
  • ZHA
sour shadow
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What Zigbee routers do you have?

long helm
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Not sure, but I have a lot of IKEA bulbs and MOES smart plugs

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My network graph looks like a mess, not really familiar with it

sour shadow
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Ok, so those then at least

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Did you pick the Zigbee channel, or did you at least check that it's clear of WiFi?

long helm
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Yeah I did

sour shadow
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And... it's clear, or mostly clear, or ...?

long helm
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clear

sour shadow
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The coordinator is on a USB extension cable?

long helm
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Yes

sour shadow
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The only thing I can think of immediately then is to try fresh batteries

long helm
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I have swapped them like 4 times

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they are 100% when connected but drain in a couple days

sour shadow
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Have you tried forcing them to pair through a nearby router?

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Oh, and do you cut the power to the bulbs?

long helm
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How do you force it?

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And no I have removed the switches so bulbs are always powered

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Same with the plugs

sour shadow
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I know there's a setting in ZHA for it, but I don't use ZHA so don't know where it is

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It should be pretty obvious

long helm
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ah found it, "add device via this device"
I will try that and see if it helps thanks

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So to be clear if I have a bulb in bedroom I should connect switch to that bulb right since it's closest?

sour shadow
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Yes

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Devices are free to change their route later, but at least it starts them in what may be a better situation

long helm
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Alright will give it a shot, hope it helps

fair mountain
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Anyone know how to dump EZSP firmware?

molten linden
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si labs commander over j-link (assuming it's not locked)

quiet gazelle
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Is it common for most quality Zigbee light bulbs to cost around $20 US each?

fair mountain
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thanks. @molten linden

sour shadow
molten linden
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there isn't much you can do with the binary that you pull off though. if looking to make fw changes most of the ezsp hardware (sonoff/nabu/me etc) have repos where the settings are either documented or can be seen in code if you want to compile your own (specifically the hardware pins - non-hw firmware settings can be seen with bellows config -a command.

fair mountain
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This is in relation to troubleshooting the Inovelli pairing problems.

molten linden
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you can likely find it somewhere

fair mountain
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Ideally what I really would like is some TX/RX pins on hte Inovelli and nice debug output.. but

molten linden
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their fw is locked

fair mountain
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Inovelli went silent when they realised there's probably really an issue. 😄

molten linden
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they use the same efr32 chip as the sonoff sticks

fair mountain
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ahh

molten linden
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I flashed one of the inovelli boards with a new bootloader and the router fw itead/sonoff put out

fair mountain
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oh?

molten linden
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when helping debug the radio issues

fair mountain
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tell me more

molten linden
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which ultimately was the HW issue that they did the replacements for

fair mountain
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how did you flash the firmware, and what did it tell you

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i know about the antenna issue

molten linden
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we just wanted to run different c-tune numbers

fair mountain
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my issue is that they take like 15 attempts to pair lol.

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but once they pair they have 250 LQI ...

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and I have zigbee sniffers setup, and I dont see any other coordinators responding to the join

molten linden
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got nothing there, have not had issues pairing them other than one that I can't even get back into paring mode

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I mean I had some with the flawed antenna path installed and working fine for a long time

fair mountain
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nice

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I found a book on IEEE 802.15.4 but for some reason it skims over the whole joining process.

molten linden
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you want he ZCL

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I think it would be the commissioning section

fair mountain
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ooo

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Forgot these existed. Ty @molten linden

scarlet haven
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I've got a few IKEA Fyrturs and for some reason one of them depletes much quicker, they were all charged at roughly the same time and the others are currently around 90-95% with this one being depleted fully today.

Signal seems to be fine by comparison, and it's not acting as a router, anything else I could be looking for?

fair mountain
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@molten linden This is a good starting point, but I was looking for more what I should be expecting from a Join request.

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i.e. device sends beacon, coordinators respond with beacon, device sends association request

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coordinator assigns and responds with nwk id

molten linden
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Maybe just sniff another device pairing something that behaves well and to the spec like hue or something

fair mountain
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hehe

mellow geode
fair mountain
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I did already do that! That's why I said what I said. But I was hoping to find something official 🙂

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Assumptions have bitten me in the behind too many times.

fair mountain
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At this point I think I am stuck and I am hoping Inovelli gets back to me.

viral cipher
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is there something more to adding the zigbee2mqtt repository then adding the repository? I added it but no zigbee2mqtt add-ons show up

carmine hamlet
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Pretty sure there's a reload button somewhere there

viral cipher
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seems sensible but not that I've found 😄

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shrug will try to turn it off and on again

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yeah restarting it all works, but how obnoxious, I never had to do that before for a repository to load 🤷‍♂️

carmine hamlet
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I don't use HAOS anymore and don't know where that button/menu option moved

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It used to be a circular arrow

timber lichen
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Anyone else here have some serious issues with the Sonoff Zigbee Dongle - E (their experimental) variant? I was going through some motion sensor pairing issues within Z2M last night, and with further checking, I'm pretty sure it's the dongle coordinator that may be at fault.

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Figured how to get the motion sensors to be recognized, but the whole Z2M would crash after an automation would be triggered, or in the middle of pairing a devide. (Which necessitated me repairing the entire network again!)

Wondering if people have had similar issues with this coordinator stick.

austere patio
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but the whole Z2M would crash after an automation would be triggered, or in the middle of pairing a devide. (Which necessitated me repairing the entire network again!)

That doesn't sound right. Why did you have to re-join devices?

timber lichen
austere patio
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Grab some debug logs for Z2M and herdsman

timber lichen
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So, not too sure how to do that actually.

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Ah, I see. I was able to add the line in the config section. Lot's of log files I'm unaware of lol.

autumn beacon
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so, i have a four-button zigbee switch, which has triggers for short/long-press of each. for some reason, long-press-left also triggers short-press-up at the same time. i don't know if this is the device, the integration, or what. how can i debug something like this? watch the bus for zha events and see what the raw reported event is?

molten umbra
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Hello all. New poster. So, I am really trying to give HA a fair shake, but man it's frustrating. I am using Aqara sensors and I just cannot keep them communicating with my install. I'm on a RaspPI4 and I am running on an NVME SSD. I am using the Nortek zigbee dongle. I have reinstalled my instance (had it on a MicroSD) and I've replaced the Nortek adapter...same issue. So, it has to be these dang sensors. I'm trying to use the temp and leak sensors, but I also have a bunch of the door sensors too. Folks over in #general-archived recommended posting here. They said the Nortek is a bad dongle. So, any recommended alternatives? Would love to have both Zigbe and Zwave in one (hence buying the Nortek to begin with).

grim igloo
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ya man nortek strikes again

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there are no "good" dual dongles

#

this is in the usa right?

molten umbra
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yes

grim igloo
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for zwave go for the 700 series zooz usb dongle and for zigbee either the sonoff p (z2m) or e (zha) dongle if you want to save money. if you want a quality PoE version then go for a @molten linden PoE coordinator either the efr32* one for ZHA or the cc2652p one for z2m

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pricey but they are highly recommended here

molten umbra
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Oh. Ok, so I hadn't considered that. I can just use the PoE one on my network and my Home Assistant will pick it up and integrate it? I was thinking I needed USB dongles on my PI

grim igloo
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PoE dongle for zigbee coordinator are great for two reasons. 1. no interference with usb ports, ssds, etc. 2. you can centrally locate them more easily for better performance

grim igloo
molten umbra
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Ok, great. I'll look into that! I live in an RV (43ft 5th wheel trailer), so I doubt I'd need more than 1

grim igloo
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more than one?

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i was listing reasons 1 and 2 not suggesting multiple?

molten umbra
#

ok.

#

no problem, misunderstood

grim igloo
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happens to the best of us

molten umbra
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Appreciate the feedback. Oh...I know this is Zigbee...but do you have a recommendation for a Zwave one too?

grim igloo
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read up i already said that

molten umbra
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oh, you sure did, duh...

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was focused on the links.

#

k, thanks again

grim igloo
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cheaper on thesmartesthouse.com if you want to buy from them directly but it's only free shipping after $100 or more.. maybe $170 now?

grim igloo
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personally i'd buy a sonoff 'p' dongle and use z2m (this is what i am currently using and running)

molten umbra
#

ok, good to know. I'll go look at that one now.

grim igloo
gritty finch
#

Hey all. Need a little help getting a Zemismart roller blind motor working in ZHA. Model is ZM25RZ01. I can get ZHA to detect and pair with the motor but no controls show up. Looking at the pairing logs, it appears that ZHA cannot find a matching quirk. I think I found the right quirk to use but cannot find a way to have ZHA detect it and use it. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am scratching my head right now.

hybrid cloud
opaque helm
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I wanna buy zigbee tuya door sensor from aliexpress and it says "product needs to be used with Tuya zigbee gateway". Is that a must or is just a "promotion" for their gateway?

sour shadow
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Just a promotion, though Tuya Zigbee is hit and (mostly) miss

opaque helm
sour shadow
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Well, local-tuya won't work with Zigbee devices

#

You could instead buy door sensors known to work, and save yourself time and money

#

I've found the Xiaomi MCCGQ14LM aka Aqara E1 door & window contact sensor is a great sensor, though can be challenging to find on AliExpress

hybrid cloud
#

the aqara door sensors are great bang for the buck

opaque helm
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new aqara P1 door sensor is 30 bucks, old aqara is 15 bucks and this cheap tuya is 6 bucks...
different price ranges for different amount of stability and headache

sour shadow
#

The P1 doesn't work with TI coordinators

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The E1 and T1 do

#

(as does the OG)

opaque helm
#

TI coordinators?

sour shadow
#

CCxxxx chips

opaque helm
#

oh

sour shadow
#

CC2652 etc

#

However, if you buy your Aqara sensors from AliExpress they'll typically be $10 or under

#

(OG ones anyway, not the E1/T1)

#

I expect to pay about $15 for the E1 version

opaque helm
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all aqara door sensors I find on AliExpress are are least 15$ (including shipping)

#

but im from Slovenia, EU

sour shadow
#

UK, no longer EU facepalm

opaque helm
#

64€/£56 for me.. so about 16€/£14 each

opaque helm
#

I know smart switches/relays, which are hard wired, should act as zigbee repeaters/routers BUT was there any instances where they didn't? like when u bought some cheap version

ashen compass
#

Is it possible to adjust Nest thermostat using Aqara temperature sensors (z2m)?

sour shadow
#

If you mean have the Nest thermostat use the Aqara sensor... no

#

If you mean can I write an automation to adjust the thermostat using HA's knowledge of other sensors then yes

#

Also you can do that with a template thermostat (generic climate)

carmine hamlet
#

It's hacky, though, IMO. You really want to change the thermostats view of the current temp based on those sensors

#

Ecobee has the best system for that

#

Otherwise you're trying to fake out the thermostat and fight its algorithm

ashen compass
ashen compass
gritty finch
quasi oar
#

In Z2M why do some devices have a green vs grey battery icon?

sour shadow
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The green ones have battery_low

quasi oar
#

Ahh, that explains it. Not sure what I'll do with that knowledge though 😂

sour shadow
#

Well, you could use it instead of the battery level in your automation that alerts you to low batteries?

quasi oar
#

Is using battery_low generally more reliable than using a static battery percentage (since every device will stop working at a different percent typically)?

sour shadow
#

Eh... maybe, maybe not

#

Both rely on the device getting it right

hybrid cloud
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Which devices rarely do in my experience

sour shadow
#

My Fibaro (Z-Wave) was the worst for that, it never reported anything other than 100% battery

hybrid cloud
#

id rather on a long lasting device than the alternative. my Xiaomi Light Sensor only reports 100% pretty much exclusively, but it also lasts over a year on that single battery so I honestly can't complain (had it nearly 3 years now and only changed it once). My Zigbee lock on the other hand (Kwikset) never goes above 80% and will stay at 30% for a good month until it dies

viral cipher
#

omg lutron aurora without hue bridge is a nightmare 😦

brave frost
#

Just installed Aqara motion sensors via skyconnect and Zha. Everything works but hoping to find documentation supporting the occupancy sensor. Hoping to adjust delay. New to all the above. Anyone point me in the right direction?

dense hull
#

Hey folks, QQ - I have a Philips Hue 2.1 - is there an integration with HA Core I could leverage to avoid using Philips' Cloud? Or I could flash something like Tasmota on it? Couldn't find a straight answer. Any tips are highly appreciated 🙏

earnest mango
#

I know that doesn't entirely answer your question, but it might not be necessary to change anything if you want local control

#

However, there is a way to root the bridge (at least v2) and I've read that it should be able to run openwrt

sour shadow
#

Just installed Aqara motion sensors via

viral cipher
#

wth do my hue dimmer switches, which are the same revision as each other, have different triggers available in device trigger o_O

mellow geode
#

ZHA or Z2M?

viral cipher
#

z2m

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idk, maybe because I duplicated the automation I was trying. When I start from a blank automation all the triggers are available

scarlet gust
#

Two questions:

  • is there a way to determine the best channel to use? Kinda like a Wi-Fi scanner but for zigbee
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  • how do I change/configure the channel on ZHA
carmine hamlet
#

you can do an energy scan using zigpy to see channel usage

grim igloo
scarlet gust
#

Gotcha. I set up ZHA as new when I got the skyconnect

#

Will have to run some tests

#

Thanks

grim igloo
#

might not have been in there when skyconnect was first released

#

also you can help yourself by choosing channels with the least overlapping of 2.4ghz wifi with your APs

#

and only using ht20 band width for 2.4ghz wifi

mellow geode
#

You'll be able to execute a service call in the upcoming 2023.5.0 release which does a channel scan and automatically choses the new channel whilst moving most devices over
(edit: nvm, removed)

grim igloo
#

neat

scarlet gust
#

Perfect as I am on beta

grim igloo
#

does that require skyconnect / zha?

scarlet gust
#

I don't see the service for that but I'll check the beta docs

mellow geode
#

For channel scanning, you can already download ZHA integration diagnostics and it should include a section with the best channels.

carmine hamlet
#

makes more sense as a button in the UI, IMO

#

it's not something that you'd do in an automation or script

mellow geode
#

Yeah, pretty sure that was the plan all along. The PR initially also included a service (in addition to the WS API for the frontend)

austere patio
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Yep. Button hasn't been added yet but you can manually call the websocket API from your browser's JS console to migrate to a new channel:

var hass = await window.hassConnection;

await hass.conn.sendMessagePromise({type: "zha/network/change_channel", new_channel: "auto"});  // or a specific channel 11-26

ZHA already does this when you form a new network (or re-configure the radio and select "Erase network settings and form a new network") so it's likely the best channel has already been chosen. You can confirm with the energy scan section in the diagnostics JSON.

scarlet gust
#

thanks all appreciate the info

hybrid cloud
scarlet gust
fair mountain
#

uhhhh.

#

sooo I just got a response from Inovelli re: my pairing issue

timber lichen
#

FYI for everyone else!

fair mountain
#

i have 4 of each 😄

timber lichen
#

Oh boy lol. That's a hell of a network.

#

I'll keep my E around for the future.

fair mountain
#

@austere patio

the device does 15 network scans before exiting pairing mode. Depending on how many networks are in range will determine how long the device is in pairing mode. So it is possible for one person to see 3 or 4 minutes and one that sees 40 seconds.

well this explains my Inovelli pairing issues. I see 4~5 beacon responses on just channel 25.

fair mountain
#

I find the -E more performant on larger networks, I am using one on my 150 device network

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with ZHA, though

timber lichen
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Damn, wish I was that lucky. But, gotcha. I actually decided to reconfigure everything (have about 10 devices) and decided to move back to ZHA to see if some devices would work again and bam. It worked.

fair mountain
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but im not using the default settings, the default ZHA settings are horribly inadequate for the EMG stick

timber lichen
#

^ That may be my issue, too.

fair mountain
#

let me paste you

timber lichen
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I know how to change channels, etc. and that's about it lol.

fair mountain
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some birdy says the defaults will be fixed in the next releaes but dont quote me on that 🙂

timber lichen
#

Let's hoping so! I'm relatively new to HA and man, even being relatively tech savvy and experienced, this shit has quite the curve to it lol.

fair mountain
#

too many dependencies

austere patio
fair mountain
#

has been 'stable' for me.

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@timber lichen CONFIG_SOURCE_ROUTE_TABLE_SIZE should be # of devices + expected devices + 10

austere patio
#

I don't think source routing is necessary for 10 devices. I'm at ~70 and still don't need it 🤷‍♂️

fair mountain
#

for sure

timber lichen
#

Sick. Appreciate you reaching out with that.

fair mountain
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@austere patio am I wrong to think the pairing logic for inovelli is brain dead?

austere patio
#

Their mention of "15" is awfully close to "16", the total number of Zigbee channels. I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "Depending on how many networks are in range will determine how long the device is in pairing mode", though.

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I was affected for a time by smart meters (Itron) in my vicinity permanently allowing joins, so many devices tried to join their networks. But I can't really imagine why it would take minutes, especially since your network is on channel 25. They should send beacon requests on various channels, collect which networks exist and are open for joins, and try joining them.

fair mountain
#

many of them

austere patio
#

Look at the 802.15.4 beacons they send out in response to a device's beacon requests. You should see whether or not they are permitting joins.

fair mountain
#

is there any way for me t osniff all 16 channels at the same time?

austere patio
#

No

fair mountain
#

i noticed bellows doesnt

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okay

austere patio
#

If you have a stick with Z-Stack firmware, you can also use python -m zigpy_znp.tools.network_scan /dev/... to send beacons and collect responses. It will hop channels and show you directly which networks are permitting joins .

fair mountain
#

ill do that

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so fun thing here ..

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this is just channel 25 ..

#

"Depending on how many networks are in range will determine how long the device is in pairing mode", though.

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The way I interpet this is while (beacon_responses < 16)

austere patio
#

That alone doesn't say much, I have just as many networks nearby and have no issues joining their device

fair mountain
#

What behaviour were you seeing with the ITron? because I can move all my other zigbee devices around just fine

austere patio
#

A Bosch motion sensor preferred to join the Itron network over my own. But this is because they were permitting joins, you should see if they are with the zigpy_znp scan, since it scans perpetually and lists all unique networks

fair mountain
#

howd you get it fixed out of curiosity

austere patio
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I didn't, they just stopped after a few years

fair mountain
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(also bosch makes motion sensors?)

austere patio
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ISW-ZPR1-WP13

fair mountain
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thanks

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hrm. need to pipe this through sort and awk or somtehing

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There's nothing in join mode that I see.

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ahh one is permitting joins

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two ..

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there are 26 networks lol

# 
# sed -E 's/^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+ //; s/ LQI=\s*[0-9]+//' zigbee-scan.log | awk '!seen[$2]++' | wc -l
26
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14 itron meters

earnest mango
hybrid cloud
#

lmao

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good point

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normally trying to find the best way to save a good buck maybe to the point i forgot you can sell stuff you dont need lol

hybrid cloud
#

does anyone know any zigbee rgb indicator light/button combos, or just the light portion perhaps. i know a lot of people use light strips for led indicators, but im looking for something a little more portable, and a button would be a plus

last rain
last rain
fair mountain
hybrid cloud
#

makes me wonder the legality of selling a device based on open source software

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idk much about open source licensing

formal oyster
#

Hey guys, any experience on the IKEA Vindstyrka Air Quality monitor? I'm more interested in the update rate, I saw somewhere that the values take some time to be updated through ZHA, rather than being real-time values. Thanks!

mystic iris
#

is this the appopriate channel to ask questions about why a custom quirk isn't being associated with a device?

mellow geode
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You can do so. Upload the custom quirk and device signature to something like https://dpaste.org/ and send the link here

hybrid cloud
#

ok whoever said markdown links work deserves an L

mystic iris
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no, wait, it is there. heh.

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still not loading though

mellow geode
#

Did you specify the custom quirks folder in your configuration.yaml?
(Note: using custom quirks isn't supported and they may break at any time)

mystic iris
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I did, yes - and I do understand that 🙂
if it turns out that this is just broken, oh well. but I'd like to at least be able to see that it is actually broken, or even why

#

I'm right now looking at this going "it's just...silently...not doing anything" - I did get a message in my logs at one point indicating custom quirks had been loaded

mellow geode
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How did you download the custom quirk? Did you click on "Raw" before downloading the .py file?

mystic iris
#

....do I have to load the quirk before pairing the device?

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hm. yes, I did....

mellow geode
#

Upload the full device signature here: https://dpaste.org/ (and send the link here)
You can find the device signature by going to the device page, clicking the three dots, clicking on "Manage Zigbee device", and then selecting the "Signature" tab at the top.

mystic iris
mellow geode
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The custom quirk loaded. See "class": "ts1201.ZosungIRBlaster_ZS06"

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From the article you sent, the "Learning and Sending Codes" section should tell you what to do

mystic iris
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yes, it does...it tells me I should be able to go to configure and send a command but the commands it's telling me to use aren't available...

mellow geode
#

So you selected the ZosungIRControl cluster in the first drop-down and clicked on "Commands" after that?
And there, you're not seeing the IRSend command?

mystic iris
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correct

mellow geode
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Take a screenshot of what you're seeing there and upload it to an image hoster (like https://imgur.com/)

mystic iris
mellow geode
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Select the ZosungIRControl cluster in the first dropdown menu first

mystic iris
#

🤦‍♂️

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thank you. I feel like such an idiot

mellow geode
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Let me know if it works now

mystic iris
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it's at least available as a command to select. if it works or not, we'll see, but that's beyond the scope of what I think y'all can do - thank you so much!

hybrid cloud
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wasnt aware you could theme everything like that

mystic iris
hybrid cloud
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ty

fair mountain
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holy f. Inovvelli's solution is for me try to use channel 11 on zigbee..

fair mountain
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lol doesnt work either

hybrid cloud
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companies when their product doesnt work "have you tried building your life around our product rather than trying to slot it in neatly"?

inner dew
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Hey folks, I think I can answer my own question here, I take it there's no way to use the Ikea Tradfri Hub with ZHA, is there? I want to use the Ikea on/off switches and remote controls with other HA devices, and apparently I have to use ZHA for that, but it seems like ZHA needs different hardware?

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I think that's a safe assumption it's a non-starter, so I started looking for the Sonoff ZBDongle-E as mentioned in the docs. All I can find is the ZBDongle-P though, and it seems that is better/worse than the other one :/

austere patio
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Correct. Hubs don't let you talk directly to the Zigbee radio, which ZHA expects to be able to do. You can use either one of those sticks.

inner dew
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thanks! that makes things easier 🙂

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It seems like here in Canada there aren't many good options for online stores with actual in-stock Zigbee adapters. Amazon has the ZBDongle-P though

ashen bluff
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Note that the P variant is supported well by ZHA and Z2M in case you haven't decided yet what to use

inner dew
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might be an 'it depends' question, but what sort of range can I expect from the ZBDongle-P? (in units of distance, rather than in dB)

hybrid cloud
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really no good options for coordinators in canada?

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probably best bet order through amazon us if you have to

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is p the new dongle or the old one

austere patio
inner dew
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oh wait, I found the ZBDongle-E on Amazon now as well. Same price

hybrid cloud
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this shit is real

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6in can really make or break a solid connection to the cordinator

inner dew
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yes, I have several USB extension cables 🙂

hybrid cloud
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the e uses the same soc as the skyconnect which makes me wonder if that means it might get multipan support eventually

inner dew
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On paper it looks like the E has better hardware, I think?

hybrid cloud
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e is newer and i dont know much about this but preliminary research says e uses the ezsp protocol which is newer

inner dew
hybrid cloud
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again its experimental in z2m so if you wnt to use z2m that should be a factor

austere patio
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It's "newer" in the sense that Sonoff called it v2, that's about it. It's a different chip. There's no functional difference, though, and they both end up doing the same thing

hybrid cloud
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yeah im looking at this page lol

inner dew
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Right now I don't have a use case for z2m but that will probably change as I'm also rolling out a bunch of ESP8266 boards around the house for things

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been a while since I used those but last time they used MQTT for comms

grim igloo
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That doesn’t matter for zigbee

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Esphome is the easiest way to use esp devices with hass now

inner dew
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ok cool

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i like 'easiest' 🙂

grim igloo
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Websocket automagically seen by home assistant

inner dew
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fantastic!

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so if I end up with a dongle that doesn't work in z2m, what am I missing out on?

grim igloo
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Nothing

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You pick one zha or z2m

inner dew
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ok, I'm going to order the ZBDongle-E then

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can you guys sanity check I am looking at the right things here before I press the button please?

grim igloo
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I personally think z2m configuration and control of devices is preferable over zha

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But zha has come a long way. My biggest issue with it now is the ‘events’ compared to button presses in z2m

grim igloo
inner dew
grim igloo
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Have you considered a PoE coordinator instead?

inner dew
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It's not out of the question, I have some PoE Ubiquiti gear already

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but no, I hadn't 🙂

grim igloo
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Main benefit is you put it centrally located which is nice if hass device is in a corner or basement

hybrid cloud
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zha lags behind z2m but it isnt completely feature lacki ng its just not quite as easy to use and gets new device support a bit slower

grim igloo
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And additional benefit is no usb port to cause interference

hybrid cloud
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that works in zh a too

grim igloo
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Well he has an efr32 one that would be preferable for zha due to newer chipset

hybrid cloud
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i dont own it so i dont know how well...

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god theres so many coordinators lmao

grim igloo
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That’s a good thing

hybrid cloud
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feel like theres decision paralysis at some point

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it doesnt matter that much just pick one and most ppl are prolly fine lmao

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choice is good but also not alwys good

inner dew
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i'm going to start with the ZBDongle-E

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Can I add a PoE one later, or is it strictly 1 coordinator?

grim igloo
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You can migrate later

hybrid cloud
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i dont believe you can easily migrate between zha and z2m though, so get that part sorted out

inner dew
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cool, ordered the ZBDongle-E 🙂 Thanks folks!

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Another thing I was thinking about doing is a rotary volume control for my Sonos Speakers

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I saw Ikea has a Tradfri rotary control, I think it's supposed to be for dimming lights though

dire crag
carmine hamlet
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Yes

hybrid cloud
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wish i had a need for one myself

dire crag
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what's a good zigbee smart plug that has a power monitor I can buy on Amazon

onyx briar
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If you find one I would be interested as well

onyx briar
carmine hamlet
fair mountain
fair mountain
onyx briar
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Oh cool!

fair mountain
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or the s31 zigbee from sonoff

onyx briar
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Neat, I thought the sonoff only had monitoring on wifi

fair mountain
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Sengled is actually certified though (I cant remember if its ETL or C(UL)

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hrm you may be right about the sonoff s31.

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i see they only have lite now

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i just use the s31's with esphome for my christmas lights 🙂

onyx briar
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I have a bunch of s31 lites, I'll keep an eye out

fair mountain
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but the sengled certianly has energy monitor

onyx briar
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The sengled are really tempting, I have been testing various tuya devices and they've all made my network unstable

fair mountain
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lol

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tbh i think zigbee is just unstable (=

onyx briar
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I also live in a townhouse surrounded by a thousand WiFi routers

fair mountain
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doesnt seem to matter the brand, they all have broken behaviour in different ways

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lol i thought tht was my problem

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lived in a 28 story building with 251 units

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bought a house

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same problems ..

onyx briar
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I have gotten better stability back after migrating the tuya devices to a tuya coordinator and using the integration to control them

fair mountain
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nice

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i actually have a tuya zigbee puck light coming in the mail

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guess ill get to see 😄

onyx briar
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The biggest issue I have is HA seeing the triggers from my IKEA remotes but not activating the automation

fair mountain
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randomly?

onyx briar
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It's always after an update to either the supervisor or the os