#zigbee-archived

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sour shadow
mighty river
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yep

raven jewel
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That is not dpaste

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Or any of the sites linked in #rules

sour shadow
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That is a sign somebody isn't reading...

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Also... that log entry is from ZHA, not Zigbee2MQTT

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Are you trying to use Z2M, or ZHA, or ... did you set up both by mistake?

strange ibex
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Okay, you finally made it here. Are you trying to run both z2m and zha both at the same time?

mighty river
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only z2m

sour shadow
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Then... remove ZHA

tropic depot
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remove the ZHA config entry

mighty river
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in progress

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maybe wrong click

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on the discovery

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no error on the log for ZHA,but i have that on z2m "Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-01-24 20:32:14: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)"

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i

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do i have to flash the firmware? like they said on the z2m faq?

sour shadow
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Well, you probably don't, but you'll need to restart Z2M now you've removed ZHA

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If the firmware is older than 202202xx then upgrading it would be sensible

mighty river
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i buy the key yesterday,maybe its up to date

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what is crazynwith my deconz dongle no issue

sour shadow
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Maybe ... maybe not

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Also, with the ConBee you probably didn't make the same mistake 😉

mighty river
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maybe yes

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too easy to learn of mistake

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nothing are working

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i pissed off

austere patio
# mighty river maybe yes

This is the v2 dongle but your error message references the ZNP command set, which is only for the v1. Did you specify the adapter type in your config?

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It should be ezsp

lime goblet
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Does anyone know how to add the yellow multipan zigbee to zigbee2mqtt?

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It does not want to read the socket or sais it cannot find the file for it.

mighty river
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ok,i try

lime goblet
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For the serial port for the addon

mighty river
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yes i got it,i do the same for deconz

lime goblet
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I cannot put /dev/ttyAMA1 instead I have to put the socket oine

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Can you show me your config setup

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port: socket://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999
adapter: ezsp

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Is my serial setup in the addon and it does not work

mighty river
lime peak
austere patio
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socket:// is only for ZHA. Z2M expects tcp://

austere patio
lime peak
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what does that imply?

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low compatibility?

austere patio
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They pump out white-label Zigbee "products", each of which requiring explicit code to support

lime peak
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huh

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people in comments are saying home assistant detected them right away, maybe it won't be too bad

austere patio
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It probably joins but will only expose a single relay until someone writes a quirk/converter for it

lime peak
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I messed around a bit with smart transformers or whatever they are called in zigbee2mqtt, it doesn't seem too hard to copy a generic device with 4 relays and use that

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until it is

floral plinth
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So I get a lot of "Received relays from an unknown device: 0x2D02" even though that ID is in my known list and controllable. What does this actually mean?

austere patio
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By the time you read the log message, that device will have been discovered (if it's a real device)

mighty cedar
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any reason why an Ikea motion sensor would have about 7 mins between sensing motion and going to clear rather than the 3 that it should have?
using Z2M

grim igloo
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Damn 3min retrigger is still rough

mighty cedar
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the 3 min is what it should be but it's taking like 7-10 for some reason

haughty burrow
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guess who is back???

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Sooooo, SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle or Sonoff or SONOFF Zigbee Bridge Pro Hub?

mighty cedar
quiet ravine
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Are there any affordable smart plugs with energy monitoring? Only one I've found so far is a BlitzWolf BW-SHP15 for 20€.

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WiFi plugs are way cheaper here 😦

glossy narwhal
raven jewel
quiet ravine
quiet ravine
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But if zigbee plugs are so expensive I might as well go with some cheaper WiFi plugs with tasmota or esphome

raven jewel
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I do have some Athom ESPHome and Tasmota plugs which are pretty good.

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I don't have EU recommendations for power monitoring, but #energy-archived might!

trail gorge
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Hey, whenever I restart home assistant, my light switch using the quirk "aqara ctrl_neutral" gets turned off, however Home Assistant still sees it as "on".

When I read the current state via the clusters directly, it correctly says "Bool.false" and also updates it in Home Assistant

Is there any way to be able to poll the device on startup?

Also, does anyone possibly know how I can get the switch to always stay on even after restarting HA?

I'm not really sure why HA turns it off on startup in the first place

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The switch itself is lumi.switch.b1lacn02

pine vine
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Potentially really stupid question. Should i be upgrading the firmware on my ZZH Zigbee stick?

If so, do i just follow the installation instructions in the docs? And will i need to reconfigure everything afterwards?

raven jewel
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You should not need to re-pair everything afterwards

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But I don't know what ZZH is

cunning harness
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Question: I have a conbee 2, configured on my new HA OS, integrated deconz, added the gateway, but I cannot add a new SNZB-04 Zigbee door/window sensor. I put it in pairing mode, but the Phoscon app doesn't 'see' anything. Anyone has any solution to this?

white lichen
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Any last recommendation before I pull the plug of my Conbee II and plug in the shiny new SkyConnect? 😀

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(z2m)

worldly pond
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Greetings!! I've had a Smartthings/Alexa setup for years... But realizing that I'm not in Kansas anymore with this Home Assistant project... I've got HA running on a laptop, ethernet connection, windows 10, with virtualbox running HA... Windows sees the zigbee and zwave dongles, but HA running in VirtualBox doesn't see them... i've install several integrations, I'm connected with my mobile app via nabu casa... most of my wiz light bulbs were discovered... any suggestions on the usb passthrough for the dongles?

raven jewel
worldly pond
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That's what I thought... but they don't show up... will HA simply discover the device if it sees it? I don't care if it sets it up... I just don't think it sees it at all...

raven jewel
peak jasper
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Usually, you have to explicitly pass USB devices to a VM before they will show there. I have heard people say that was difficult to do with some Windows VM products, but I know nothing else about them

floral plinth
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Is there a way to force a reroute? Like if I re-pair a router that I moved via another router will that update the route to the closest or does that even matter?

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My visualization has a lot of yellow and green and LQI for some devices is 7

grim igloo
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Depends on the device

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In theory they should get a better route but some older zigbee 1.2 devices are slow to do it or just don’t especially the aqara battery powered ones

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Lqi isn’t a super useful metric in certain scenarios so if devices react fast with a shitty lqi you don’t necessarily need to worry

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You can force them to gain a new route in z2m by repairing them after selecting the router you want it to be a child of. I think zha has similar idk which you use

loud bobcat
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so something weird happened... devices just mafgically bound on their own/ curtain rails now are just magically opening/closing whenever i turn my ikea switches on/off (switches paired to network long ago - curtains added yesterday).

strange ibex
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Did you pair your switches with the IKEA instructions or with the Z2M instructions?

loud bobcat
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how do i unbind? bindings in z2m dont show anything bound for my curtains.. the switches are forcibly bound to the default group. i moved my curtains into a group of their own ... how do i stop this demon stuff from just having a mind of its own? 🙂 😛

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instructions?

strange ibex
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please link me the switch you have

loud bobcat
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i held down the reset button at ythe back for like the usual 5 or 10 sec or wyatever - it flashed red. paired to my conbee + ha/rpi and done. ?

strange ibex
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Please read the Binding section of that page.

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Use the pairing method on that page.

loud bobcat
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i assume thats what the "bind" tab in z2m does...

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oh yeah - 4 times thats what i did

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sorry - i did this like 2 or so months ago

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i dont know of any other way to pair it...

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the switches have been paired to ha for months ...

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they have worked - i set them to turn on/off specific groups of lights

lavish vault
strange ibex
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raster, is there not an unbind for default_bind_group in the bind tab?

loud bobcat
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yeah - i press it... it never works 😦

strange ibex
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And did you read the section that I linked you to read?

loud bobcat
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ghmm maybe i didnt try this soone enouhg after toggling it on/off

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the binding one

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well i'm trying to bind/unbind from the z2m ui in ha...

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i just get a slew of errors saying it couldn't unbind

strange ibex
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"Wake up the device right before sending the commands by pressing a button on it." Did you do this?

loud bobcat
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yes

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i stood next to it

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pressed on/off

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then within a second pressed unbind.

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before i had to run up/down stairs as the switch i'm testing is 1 floor down

raven jewel
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Buttons are slow, I find it best to press a button on it, click the Z2M UI, and then press the button again a few times until the action successfully completes

loud bobcat
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well the button was turning lights on and off... so it was awake 🙂

strange ibex
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They're not as predictable as you might think. I would try the great advice from Rosemary.

loud bobcat
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i brought it to my desk 9the button)

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press on/off/on/off repeatedly for about 5 sec - press unbind, keep doing on/off for another few sec... still failed?

raven jewel
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Unpair the button and pair it again

loud bobcat
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every time no matter how often i press it before/after i try unbind

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hmm ok

topaz seal
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Does anyone have experience with the Osram Smart Switch Mini? I paired it with ZHA and although I have not configured anything yet, the events are turning all of my Zigbee devices on and off.

dusk python
loud bobcat
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i wonder if i lost my automations for it now...

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it seems not

dusk python
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Automations will just fail if the referenced device stops existing but they will work again if the device re-appears

loud bobcat
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yeah - had to name it again it worked

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but ... still it controls the curtains and unbinding still fails

dusk python
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Are you trying to make this device stop controlling the curtain?

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You might need to reset the curtain lol

loud bobcat
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yes

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mrmflmrlmrlmrlmrlmmrgggrlmrlm

dusk python
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Sounds like you did some kind of direct binding between the two anyways

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And binding/removing from the controller doesn't change that

loud bobcat
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i didnt do any binding ... it just did this on its own

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the curtain lists no bindings in z2m... the switches are bound to default bind group always and i can't unbind that 😦

dusk python
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What does your logbook say when you use the device?

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Does HA report the event or an automation triggering the blinds

loud bobcat
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which log specifically?

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btw if i power off ha - it still does this

dusk python
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Oh lol so not that unless you have some node red automation lol

loud bobcat
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like i unplug my ha rpi ... the switches talk directly to the curtains

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if this was an automation .. i'd be happy.. it's a sw problem of mine 🙂

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these are demon switches i tells ya! deeeemons!

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🙂

dusk python
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I'm guessing you'd need to reset one or both devices to clear the direct binding

loud bobcat
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well switches were here first for a few months... curtains came along for the ride last night

dusk python
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What kind of curtains?

loud bobcat
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so gah.. will unplug them and unpair them and press the reset button and see

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umm

dusk python
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What's the switch?

loud bobcat
dusk python
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Hmm and you didn't do any kind of re-pairing of the switches after getting the curtain?

loud bobcat
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no

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switches were already paired and set up to control light groups

dusk python
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zigbee groups or HA groups?

loud bobcat
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zigbee - z2m

dusk python
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And you're sure the blinds aren't in any of those groups?

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The blinds take basically the same commands as a light as far as zigbee is concerned

loud bobcat
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no - i never added them to a group. i even put them in a magic group of their own away from the light groups to try stop this demonic posession 🙂

dusk python
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Can you crank your z2m logs up to debug and post a snippet of you pressing the switch?

strange ibex
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they join one automatically

dusk python
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I'm lazy and don't use any z2m groups and route everything thru HA lol

loud bobcat
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the z2m groups seems the lazy path for me as i just have 1 switch control 1 entity 🙂

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but hey...

dusk python
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Still I'd be curious what the debug z2m logging shows when you're using the switch

loud bobcat
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well i've unpaired and paired the curtains at leats 2 times

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i've held the button for full reset (get a red led) unplugged/plugged from power...

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they still be demons!

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so logs...

strange ibex
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what firmware is your switch on, just curious

mighty river
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zigbee bindings work when HA is down and are usually way faster

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dimming via anything but bindings is so sluggish, it's no fun

dusk python
loud bobcat
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the old firmare 2.2.010

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i tried a fw update once... it didnt work 🙂

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anyway logs

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they are kind of noisy...

dusk python
loud bobcat
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i have a lot of noise on the network from m,y thermostats all the time 🙂

mighty river
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give both entities a similar name and filter the log based on that

loud bobcat
mighty river
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assuming that no third device is involved in this unholy binding ;)

loud bobcat
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pressing switch on/off

dusk python
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I mean you can see z2m doing it here

loud bobcat
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switch_1 is the one i'm, testing. 1_bed_front_curtain is the curtain. 1_hall is the z2m group for all the lights in the hall and 1_hall_0, 1_hall_1 and 1_bath_hall_0 are the 3 lights in the hall being controlled by switch_1 via the 1_hall group

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hmm i thbink its the curtain publishing its change of state

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not z2m telling it to open/close .. because if i power off my ha box.. it still does this.

dusk python
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and z2m?

loud bobcat
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or it did when i first was testing

mighty river
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unfortunately z2m logging is a bit useless

waxen lynx
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anyone here with an Aqara vibration sensor? I wonder if I could use this sensor to create some kind of bed sensor. Like attach it underneath the mattress. But battery life is probably an issue if this thing will have to register constant vibrations during the night.

dusk python
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Yeah it doesn't really tell you if the device chose to change or if it told the device to change

mighty river
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would be more interesting to see what the zigbee part is receiving, mqtt is not actually relevant

loud bobcat
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let me just power ha off to be sure again...

grim igloo
waxen lynx
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I don't have wife approval either

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🙂

grim igloo
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why would that matter

strange ibex
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car seat sensors look ideal

loud bobcat
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yeah - power off ha and unplug the conbee stick ... all unplugged from power entirely... the demon swtich still makes the demon curtains open/close on its own!

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posessed i tell ya... 😈

dusk python
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Yeah that's some group binding there

waxen lynx
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don't really have good use cases for it, but maybe just use it as a "block" object to disable automatic lights on when you enter the bedroom

mighty river
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must be another unwanted xiaomi feature, just like the small unwanted features i found in my hue switches

strange ibex
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you could maybe update the firmware which literally doesn't support group binding anymore, lol

waxen lynx
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that's disabled now anyways, but then I could enable it unless someone is already in bed

dusk python
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But zigbee motion isn't the way to do it

loud bobcat
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i've been trying to unbind the switch from default group to no avail- the curtains are not bound to a group in z2m so i'm kind of at a loss....

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i can try another fw update...

grim igloo
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raster i just gotta say it sucks to be you right now

strange ibex
dusk python
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Is your switch somehow using the default group to control?

waxen lynx
loud bobcat
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but last time i tried it didnt go anywhere...

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well its bound to default_bind_group and i cant get it out of it

dusk python
mighty river
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I have several of these ikea switches and no problem (anymore)

strange ibex
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the firmware raster is running joins the default bind group automatically.

mighty river
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But I updated them to the newest firmware

waxen lynx
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it's my first week of doing zigbee, so looking too much at zigbee sensors now 🙂

strange ibex
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@loud bobcat "The first two initially appears to be in the group 901. No matter what I tried they didn't leave the group. Only after I create the 901 group by hand, bind them both and then unbind, they start working on the new group. However the process wasn't that straight, was more a hit and miss, I try different orders and sometimes it works as expected and sometimes not. Now they are on group 9, but I'm sure If I remove them I will be on the same situation again." this is a quote form that github issue

mighty river
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updating works fine if you make sure it has a good battery and you press it a few times while triggering the update until the percentage in z2m web ui shows up

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and only update one device at a time, zigbee has really low bandwidth

strange ibex
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I'm updating mine at the moment and it is very slow. 🙂

dusk python
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How much battery does updating ikea switches really burn?

strange ibex
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45 minutes remaining at 50% 🙂

mighty river
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I don'T think it burns that much battery but a battery with low voltage may drop out due to the stress

loud bobcat
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hmmm so crete 901 by hand

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hmm

mighty river
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I just let a cr2032 die in my night stand remote, it still worked yesterday evening but not this morning :D

loud bobcat
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firmware update seems a bust atm... maybe ha is still buys starting

mighty river
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btw, binding to groups is actually nice, not sure why ikea changed to devices

dusk python
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They like selling bundled bulbs and switches

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So you can be some pleb with a remote that controls one bulb

mighty river
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where's the fun in that? :D

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btw, the newer huge ikea remote behaves way more reliable than the older remotes/switches with cr2032 batteries

loud bobcat
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this is odd - i selected swithc to fw update... the update thing under settings just did nothing - it flickered as if progress bar showed then vanished then nada

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but z2m shows a busy spinner

dusk python
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They look chunky as fuck

mighty river
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no, only my almost dead battery remote did that for the last week

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yes, they are :(

dusk python
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Tho my old round remotes can murder a cheap cr2032

mighty river
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but they hold micro batteries and right now it seems they can actually manage 2 years+

dusk python
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I thought they took AAA or whatever

loud bobcat
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"update of switch_1 at 5.35%" ... yay this again... a forever update attempt that never works

mighty river
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I got all of them E1524/E1810 remotes, E1743 switches and that clunky E2001

dusk python
mighty river
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the most problems I had was with the switches

dusk python
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You must not have used the knobs lol

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Those are hot garbage for the old hardware

mighty river
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oh yeah, I forgot that one

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it's in my drawer, just like the useless first motion sensor

dusk python
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I've had a motion sensor die entirely on me

mighty river
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the first motion sensor ate batteries alive, 1 month and dead

dusk python
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I still like the knobs, I have a fade media device script I've gotten to work pretty well with them

loud bobcat
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ok lets try test server ota...

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but odd this has happened to me twice ... in fact every switch i tried to update before rejected...

mighty river
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I never needed that test server

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not gonna try experimental firmware when the normal one is already buggy .D

dusk python
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I've also noticed that z2m will show different available updates than the popup update notifications in HA now, I had some lights that only showed in one area

dusk python
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That's the only reason I suggested it for raster

loud bobcat
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hmmm i cant stop the update

dusk python
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Lol

mighty river
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of course not, or did you want to have a half-flashed device?

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just leave it running, it can take more than 30mins for that small switch I think

loud bobcat
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30 min? wt......f?

dusk python
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I've seen an hour lol

mighty river
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the cr2032-powered devices take really really long

loud bobcat
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like how much fw is there to write? < 1m?

mighty river
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even mains-powered devices take 15min

dusk python
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Faster if it's by the controller?

dusk python
loud bobcat
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ugh. :/

grim igloo
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mine are 10-15min if i only do one update at a time

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your mesh might not be that great

mighty river
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the trick with progress bars is to walk away and do something else, do not watch them, they know and will slow down ;)

loud bobcat
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ooooh

grim igloo
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no the trick is click update in home assistant webui for the z2m devices because then you get no feedback in the gui until they just disappear and remove from update devices

loud bobcat
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thats why the one switch doesnt do unspeakable demonic things to my curtains

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its on 2.3.079 which is the new only device to device fw not device to group...

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this 2.2.010 fw is the spawn of satan i tell ya! 🙂

grim igloo
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you gotta admit it's kinda funny

loud bobcat
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but damn.. 30 min to update?

grim igloo
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not the part where you've wasted time figuring it out tho lol

loud bobcat
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well tbh my ha journey is been... interesting

austere patio
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You can speed up OTA updates for remotes and other battery-powered devices by clicking buttons or otherwise keeping them awake. Or just leave and come back in an hour.

grim igloo
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home assistant is super user friendly, there are just lots of ways to shoot yourself in the dick so to speak

loud bobcat
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i honestly am baffled at how a lot of it works and is hung together. it smells of sticky-tape and chewing gum...

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but i do like low level c kernel/gfx/ui toolkit/window manager code

mighty river
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heh, can't say that about HA. The only thing I use it for is the UI

loud bobcat
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the whole yaml, templates, and so on ... i just dont know where everything is glued together.

grim igloo
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devs have the worst problems out of anyone with hass in my experience

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because they try to overthink it instead of just learn what hass expects

loud bobcat
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i'd much prefer like some for loop with event processing and switch {} statement per event to handle something and then call what i need to 🙂

grim igloo
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gross

mighty river
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I switched my automations from HA to AppDaemon via its MQTT backend

loud bobcat
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like some things ha has done out of the box were awesome - a;ll my thermostats automatically got their clocks set to the right tome once i paired them

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but a lot of ha to an experienced dev is hard to fathom... 🙂

dusk python
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HA is like this giant interface engine with YAML and MQTT gluing it together

loud bobcat
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it feels very glued...

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the ui is not how i'd do it...

dusk python
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The problem really is there has been multiple ways to do most anything in HA so the documentation and examples are all over the place

loud bobcat
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i've noticed

dusk python
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I feel like they need a tutorial on service calls for new users

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That's the meat and potatoes of HA

mighty river
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conditions and logic in yaml is just insane IMO. I felt much more at home in AppDaemon (but then I knew Python already).

loud bobcat
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ha also takes an eternity to do anything like update or boot etc. i've even stuck hassio on a usb3 ssd... so its not the i/o 🙂

dusk python
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I run mine on a rack mount server VM so it's pretty damn fast

loud bobcat
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(i can boot to a full desktop gui in about 5-10 sec - ha takes a min or so to get going)

dusk python
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It's hard to get around startup time of some integrations tho

loud bobcat
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anyway - just saying... it's interesting and new and lots of things that should be easy to fathom aren't... then some things are just amazing magic "it works"

carmine hamlet
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startup time is highly dependent on what you're using in your configuration. In a minimal dev environment, it's just a few seconds

loud bobcat
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does the fw update require ha to be alive during the whole update or is the fw already uploaded and busy being flashed?

mighty river
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z2m should be running for sure

loud bobcat
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ok - so z3m will keep sooling out the fw block by blokc over the zigbee network as the update happens right?

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err spooling... block by block

dusk python
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Yeah the controller has to package it up and deliver it, they can't talk directly to the internet or anything to get it themselves

loud bobcat
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well i thought maybe you'd upload it all to an on-device buffer then the device would spend some time verifying that - transferring over state then rebooting to the new image (A/B style)

dusk python
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I believe there is some check for consistency before updates internally

loud bobcat
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as it takes so long to update and the device still works in the meantime i assumed it must keep its current fw alive and kicking while this happens?

dusk python
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Yeah I'm not aware of any OTA update that doesn't involve some kind of A/B flash

loud bobcat
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so still baffled that it takes so long to just write to the "B"

dusk python
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It's like trying to send a novel via SMS with 160 char limits

loud bobcat
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i would have expected it to write fast, then sit and churn checking signatures/keys/sha's etc.

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i thought zigbee can do like 250kbit or so?

dusk python
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zigbee is normally only exchanging a few bytes of data to operate a device or check state

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Firmware is like shoving a novel thru that space

loud bobcat
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it must be doing it pretty inefficiently 🙂

dusk python
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or lots of redundancy

loud bobcat
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maybe

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it seems if i try update multiple devices at once... they all fall over

dusk python
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Don't lol

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Even z2m says not to

loud bobcat
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hmmm didn't warn me when i tried 🙂

dusk python
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It's one of those things where it's possible but not recommended

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And it wouldn't be open source if they didn't let you do whatever you wanted haha

loud bobcat
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well make the default keep you safe

#

i can hack the code to disable the safety ... 🙂 or change some config.yaml

dusk python
#

It'll just flood your network and possibly take forever and might fail checksum but it's theoretically feasible lol

loud bobcat
#

well i have 6 switches to try fw update...

trail gorge
loud bobcat
#

current one is 19.7% done and 1:35 left... this is going to take a looooooooooooooooooong time

hollow chasm
#

I think I had an IKEA remote that took 2 hours

loud bobcat
#

that is about what these switches take 🙂

strange ibex
loud bobcat
#

you'll have a hungry dog 🙂

strange ibex
#

lmao

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it should be ready right for his next meal

loud bobcat
#

just in time for you to find the fw is broken and it doesnt dispense food anymore and instead slaps your dog around with its feeding motor... 🙂

dusk python
#

Whoops wrong reply sorry

loud bobcat
#

over-fatten the human instead!

lime peak
#

zigbee buutons are way too expensive to fit a whole house with them, how do I get them cheap in europe?

trail gorge
#

Hey, I think someone here had the sonoff ZBMINI-L?

Can you also use its switch input as a zigbee button that can do other things or can it only toggle the relay itself?

dusk python
lime peak
#

there's an esp32 with zigbee?

#

tell me more

dusk python
#

Yasss

lime peak
#

also I bought a switch like the zbmini and found out my house is too weirdly built to make use of them

#

the switch boxes are a mess

#

so it's going to be buttons all the way, and I'll cover the old switches

#

but I need buttons and lights

grim igloo
dusk python
#

But ikea buttons are hardly more than a esp32 dev board

dusk python
grim igloo
#

so it's pretty involved then

lime peak
grim igloo
#

not like esphome and filling in a template

lime peak
#

I'm not seeing them on aliexpress...

dusk python
lime peak
#

that's american and unavailable

dusk python
#

You might not need the c6 is all

lime peak
grim igloo
#

you're on the internet we're all american duh

lime peak
#

of course

#

no zigbee mention

grim igloo
#

first link searching "zigbee esp32"

lime peak
#

my mistake was searching "esp32 zigbee"

grim igloo
#

rip

dusk python
#

lolwhat

lime peak
#

woow at that cost I may as well just buy actual zigbee buttons

trail gorge
#

a zigbee button is cheaper for me lol

lime peak
#

yeah

dusk python
#

And cleaner package haha

#

You could have a bank of buttons off one of these tho

lime peak
#

these could be cool if I need to do some special automation but not for buttons

dusk python
#

Or make your own sensors/relays/etc

lime peak
#

again, prebuilt sensors and relays are cheaper

#

also I wanted zigbee light bulbs but they are expensive AND kinda weak

grim igloo
#

weak?

lime peak
#

I have a bunch of philips hues from a few years ago and they're good only because I have 3 on a lightstand, also they were super expensive

grim igloo
#

you mean you couldnt find high lumen ones?

lime peak
#

I have to take a better look

grim igloo
#

they have 1600lumen now

#

they're only $70 each

lime peak
#

intredasting

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welp

grim igloo
#

do you have an extra kidney you could sell?

lime peak
#

looks like I'll have to give up on my zigbee dreams

grim igloo
#

what is your end goal? if you dont need rgbw you can do smart dimmers but they still arent that cheap

mighty cedar
#

smart switches??

lime peak
#

my end goal is automating every single light in my house

grim igloo
#

that's not very specific

mighty cedar
#

they're not quite cheap but anything is cheaper than hue really

lime peak
#

my shorter term goal is making the stairs light turn on by itself as I climb them

#

so I'll start from that

mighty cedar
#

and if you want smart bulbs for colour look at tradfri from ikea.. cheap and works quite well imo

grim igloo
#

cant beat a hue motion sensor for zigbee :/

#

i've had a few including one on my stairs for 3+ years now i think

#

same battery triggers every time

lime peak
#

I really hoped I could jam smart switches behind the existing buttons but it's not possible

grim igloo
#

you can do that with shellys unless you have some weird wiring

#

even then they dont even need neutrals i dont think

lime peak
#

yeah weird wiring and little space

#

also I have these thing that I don't know how to translate

#

deviators or something

grim igloo
#

working inside junction boxes sucks but you can fit quite a bit in there

lime peak
#

rather than switches

grim igloo
#

sounds fun

lime peak
#

diverter?

#

most of my switches are diverters AND most of my sockets are controlled by the light switches

#

does english even distinguish between the two types of switches?

#

diverters are these ones that allow turning off the light from two different switches

#

as opposed as a single switch

mighty cedar
#

those are called 3 way I think?

#

like one switch on each end of a hall?

grim igloo
#

so they have a traveler wire connecting the two switches?

lime peak
#

I suppose, I got 3 ways all over the house and the neutral only goes to the sockets, which are controlled by the diverters

#

but maybe... these zigbee switches without neutral...

dusk python
lime peak
#

now that's more in my price range

#

I've been looking for these

#

I'm definitely ordering a bunch

grim igloo
#

pretty sure that's an old chipset and it's gonna suck

lime peak
#

oof

grim igloo
#

you dont just throw anything you want on your zigbee or zwave meshes man

dusk python
#

Hmm tho I'm not sure which is which on the product selector

lime peak
#

maybe this could work, I have to consult the electrician

#

because it seems like that the 3 way switches are separated from neutral, which is my case

dusk python
#

Yeah they need a carrier wire

grim igloo
#

fyi if you have smart bulbs and smart switches in smart bulb mode then you dont need to use a traveler wire or have any existing wiring other than a neutral wire if required by the switches

lime peak
grim igloo
#

that is what i'm doing with zwave switches and zigbee bulbs

lime peak
grim igloo
#

not much to parse

lime peak
#

please rephrase

dusk python
#

I have my z-wave switches bound together with protocol instead of using the 3-way extra wire

grim igloo
#

if smart switches tell smart bulb to turn on or off then they dont need to 'sync' with other switches

#

therefore no traveler needed

lime peak
#

yes of course

grim igloo
#

parse done

#

lol

lime peak
#

sorry I'm tired

#

yeah that's my backup plan

#

but I still need triggers and can't easily use the existing infrastructure

#

I love how people will comment under zigbee items with "does not connect to wifi, 1 star"

grim igloo
#

well the amazon lister could be one of the many companies that post a device that works well, get reviews to rank higher in searches, then puts another device as the same listing to reap the benefits

#

scamazon goes brrr

lime peak
#

I got burned by scamazon a bunch of times, the last zigbee plug I got was advertised as having power monitoring but it didn't have that

grim igloo
#

i went for wifi for smart plugs

#

i had to open them up and flash esphome which wasnt very fun tho

lime peak
#

I still need to figure out how to do subnetworks

#

I have too many devices already

lime locust
#

Want to upgrade my firmware on my cc2652 stick

Coördinator type : zStack3x0
Coordinator revisie : 20210708

seems like an old revision, read about new firmware able to set power dbm ?
anyone know the best way to reflash these sticks ? best on windows or on linux ?

strange ibex
#

follow the instructions provided by the manufacturer

lime locust
#

hehe how do i identify the stick , only know its cc2652 chip usb , bought it 2nd hand ebay

strange ibex
#

Your ebay listing probably has some info. That's the repo for the firmware.

lime locust
#

hmm found multiple usb dongles on the z2m site which looks a lot like this one ?

strange ibex
#

well that is good enough

#

you'll need the TI flasher and you're fine

lime locust
#

doubting if its the zigstar or the egony stick

strange ibex
#

It's for sure a cc2652, that is all I was concerned about. 😛 They're all the same firmware on that page.

lime locust
#

ah

#

right

#

ti flasher on linux or windows

strange ibex
#

it doesn't matter

#

ti flasher is windows only

#

but there are other otpions

#

is what I mean

sour shadow
#

There's two different firmwares for the CC2652

strange ibex
#

for the 2652?

#

oh

sour shadow
#

It's pretty obvious if you actually looked at the page 😛

strange ibex
#

I control + f'd 2652

sour shadow
# 
CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20220219.zip
CC1352P2_CC2652P_other_coordinator_20220219.zip
strange ibex
#

oh, you're talking about a different page

lime locust
#

first hit got me the launchpad one

sour shadow
#

That's the page I'm talking about too

#

Maybe you need an optician?

strange ibex
#

yeah, I wasn't talking about it

#

that isn't what I linked above

#

maybe you need donkey brain exam

sour shadow
strange ibex
#

yeah, lol

#

but I did not link that page before just now

sour shadow
strange ibex
#

THAT IS A DIFFERENT PAGE

#

JUST THE SAME REPO

#

lol

lime locust
#

ah right guessing i need the CC2652P
(RFSTAR RF-BM-2652P2) Zigstar one launchpad

strange ibex
#

but you right, I forgot the repo links you to another MD 🙂

lime locust
#

i can flash with the zigstar multitool

#

flashing will not delete network ?

strange ibex
sour shadow
#

If you get the right firmware you'll be fine

#

If you get the wrong firmware... shrug

lime locust
#

ah exciting

#

wish me luck

sour shadow
#

You really need to find out what the stick is 😉

lime locust
#

a cc2652P deriative

strange ibex
#

CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_*.zip is what you want. it says RFSTAR RF-BM-2652P2 and all of those on the MD show the launchpad

sour shadow
#

Odds are ... reasonably good

strange ibex
#

no donkey emote. 😦

grim igloo
#

that's what the ajit pai emoji is for

strange ibex
#

why is there a bunch of tape on your coordinator?

lime locust
#

firm usb fit

#

electrical isolation tape

#

to be sure

lilac wharf
#

|| that makes no sense ||

grim igloo
#

He has stock in big kapton

lime locust
#

Yes it worked flawlessly ! transmit power setting doesn't do @#$T though

sour shadow
#

It needs to have the hardware for it, and it's largely pointless

strange ibex
#

I feel like I updated my firmwares not too long ago but it seems it has been a bit

#

ahhh, I updated my coordinator last year but not my router

#

There is a fix for my pet feeder in the z2m dev branch but I am trying to be very patient.

pearl hawk
#

Is it correct that when renaming a device in ZHA, the entity ids are not renamed? Or am I doing something wrong? I answered "Rename" when asked if I wanted to rename the entity IDs, but only the names of the controls/sensors where updated...

ocean sphinx
#

i'm using a conbee II with my raspberry pi 4 and neither my ikea lightbulb nor my ikea switch is recognized by the phoscon app.

#

what can i do to debug this issue?

strange ibex
#

deconz

mighty river
strange ibex
#

okay, well now my message is out of order...

#

weird

ocean sphinx
#

i'm not yet trying to make it interface with home-assistant

#

i just want to get some sign of connection from deCONZ or phoscon

mighty river
#

i dit it on the past

#

do you reset the buld,by tour on/off seven time and try to attach?

ocean sphinx
#

i had not. i just did and now the lamp is blinking slowly

#

but still nothing in phoscon

mighty river
#

good,and now link it

#

in phoscon you have to add the light on the group

ocean sphinx
#

that's what i'm doing "add new lights", and then it starts scanning for three minutes.

#

is that what you mean?

mighty river
#

yep

ocean sphinx
#

it never finds anything

mighty river
#

but the delay when the light is blinking its short

#

cna you share the deconz log

ocean sphinx
#

it cycles the light intensity up and down with period maybe 6 seconds

mighty river
#

sometime they have Interference issues.

#

do you use ssd or sd card?

ocean sphinx
#

the log under "debug view"?

mighty river
#

yep

ocean sphinx
#

SD card. i don't have a usb extension cord at the moment, but my light is 20 cm away from the usb stick.

mighty river
#

take a look here if you find the error code on your log

#

the combe 2 is sensitive

#

2.4Ghz radio

raven jewel
#

USB ports cause a lot of interference

#

You need an extension cable

#

Or if you can, exchange the Conbee for something better, cheaper, and with an extension cable 🤪

mighty river
#

lol

ocean sphinx
mighty river
#

can you try with ZHA,to see if can you link one bulb?

ocean sphinx
#

ah btw sorry i misread the question before about what i boot from. i boot from a usb stick.

#

not an sd card.

mighty river
#

boot from usb stick?????

#

it's not the best way

#

you have to me your combee from that

ocean sphinx
#

it's cheap and compact 🙂

loud bobcat
#

worst of both worlds. sd card would be better for compactness, but a usb ssd would be best for perf and reliability

mighty river
#

try with an extender,

#

no judgement mate

ocean sphinx
#

also i didn't have anything to write to an sd card

#

anyway, i just manged to connect after putting the conbee at the end of an usb hub i had lying around! (in lieu of an extension cord)

mighty river
#

you're french?

ocean sphinx
#

i wasn't expecting interference to be so severe that putting the bulb right next to my raspberry pi wouldn't be enough

#

thanks for the help

mighty river
#

no problem

sudden comet
#

hi there, I have a tubes zigbee radio. The ip address for the device chanced and now the coordinator is not connecting.. how do I update the address it looks for without loosing my whole configuration?

#

says serial is disconnected?

#

I can't figure out how to find the right yaml file to change the address of the serial

sudden comet
#

for future reference it is in a file in /config/.storage called core.config_entries

tropic depot
#

You could have used the migrate radio in the UI too and reconfigured the existing radio

#

we need to document this better

raven jewel
#

In general you should not edit things in the .storage folder

crystal mulch
#

Anyone know if it is possible to disable the LED lighting up at motion detection on a Neo NAS-PD07 motion, temp&humidity sensor? I find it a bit annoying if nothing else and reducing every little bit of battery drain is always a good thing.

lofty whale
#

Hi, I am using some zigbee modules with momentary switches and I would like to use node red to add double click or press and hold function to the switch. Does anyone have any idea how this can be done?

sour shadow
sudden comet
tropic depot
#

Understand, we need better docs

sudden comet
tropic depot
#

You should reserve the ip address in your router

#

So it doesn’t change

distant plaza
#

Hi

#

everything was going well with my sonoff zigbee dongle E

#

but i suspect that since i add ikea buttons some devices are randomly quitting the network

sour shadow
#

Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

distant plaza
#

Z2M

#

no support here ? only ZHA?

sour shadow
#

You should read channel topics

#

TL/DR ||yes, there's support here||

#

Knowing what you run helps us help you

#
  1. Did you pick a Zigbee channel or leave it on the default?
distant plaza
#

Channel 11 (was default)

sour shadow
#

That's a terrible choice... did you ensure that there's no WiFi on the relevant overlapping WiFi channels?

distant plaza
#

Coordinator version 7.1.1.0 build 273
EZSP v9

distant plaza
rapid dawnBOT
#

@distant plaza When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

distant plaza
#

sorry for the mention yeah

sour shadow
#

The problem could be many things ... please answer the questions

distant plaza
sour shadow
#

There's apps you can install on your phone

#

Just Google wifi scanner and whatever your phone (or laptop) runs

#

Also, ensure your coordinator is on a USB extension cable

distant plaza
#

i didn't thought wifi channels had an impact on zigbee ones

sour shadow
distant plaza
#

i guess because of the fact that the frequency is similar

sour shadow
#

There are many relevant and helpful pins in this channel particularly

#

(but in general in all channels)

distant plaza
#

okay so here is the result regarding the channels

#

dosen't seem that bad, is it ?

sour shadow
distant plaza
#

so if i understand well: for my wifi i should use Channel 1 then problem fixed on the wifi interference part with zigbee

sour shadow
#

Well... no

#

You need to do a scan that tells you the relative strength of those dozens of access points

#

Then pick the Zigbee channel (hint ||they're not numbered the same||) that's got as little WiFi traffic as possible

tulip patrol
sour shadow
distant plaza
#

well

#

then channel 23/24 should be a good bet

sour shadow
#

Yes, but no

distant plaza
#

i also heard that some zigbee devices might not connect on specific zigbee channels

sour shadow
#

25

strange saddle
#

N00b from sweden here. What zigbee dongle should i buy for a intel nuc? Will run ha in docker on debian (my thought at least)

sour shadow
#

Depends on whether you plan on running ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

rapid dawnBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

strange saddle
# sour shadow Depends on whether you plan on running ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

Ok thats a very very big read. Reading up on and comparing supported devices between those three options. Just wondering if there was a quicker overview anywhere? What do people say about homeassistant sky connect dongle?

https://www.m.nu/styrenheter-zigbee/home-assistant-skyconnect-zigbee-matter-thread?gclid=CjwKCAiA5sieBhBnEiwAR9oh2r8y3EocvPKULdAqki_nH6WfN3omDtWWr0lJUsJZvO1Y6cf0IvLy9hoC4CQQAvD_BwE

Or am i too early in my planning and too low in my knowlage to be asking here?

sour shadow
#

You're putting the cart before the horse

#
  1. Pick ZHA or Z2M
#
  1. Then pick the coordinator
#

If you pick the coordinator first you may end up with a combination that doesn't work, or works poorly

#

ZHA: Part of HA, nothing else to manage. Any standard compliant device works (so, basically Zigbee 3.0 devices and some older ones)
Zigbee2MQTT: Separate, documents what works and how to add support for new devices

sour shadow
#

Please also turn off notification pings if you use Reply ☝️

strange saddle
#

Z2m seems more fun, but is it a bit harder for a newb?

sour shadow
#

That's entirely down to you and your skills, it's hard for us to judge

#

If you can follow documentation then it's easy

#

Either ZHA or Z2M will work well with a CC2652 based coordinator. ZHA will also work well with EZSP based coordinators like the SkyConnect

clever cedar
#

Guys, one question:

Where will you put the coordinator in a 2 story house? (assuming you can put it at the very center)
1st floor roof, 2nd floor roof?, Atic (maybe)?

grizzled kettle
#

certainly nothing in the attic. first floor ceiling would probably be the most central, but as a mesh the central-ness of it isn't really that important.

strange ibex
#

where it will best connect to your routers

#

don't focus on trying to cover every device, like Tim0 mentioned, it is a mesh

#

focus on talking to your routers so they can talk to the farther devices

grim igloo
#

being cautious what you add to the mesh too

#

i'd probably put it second floor but i really doubt it matters just what i'd do

#

i've asked before about radiation patterns with antennas for zigbee radios and never gotten any clear answers like we can with access points

clever cedar
clever cedar
grim igloo
#

some devices suck as routers and or blackhole routes and cause issues

clever cedar
grim igloo
#

some other devices (like older aqara 1.2 battery powered sensors) dont do as you'd expect and migrate routers when you dont want them to, or wont migrate when they should

#

i'm not sure of an official list. i think hue is gold standard for following spec and no routing issues but someone else can jump in and confirm/add on

sour shadow
#

There's a pin with some information, but any attempt to create a list suffers from the fact that nobody wants to maintain them

clever cedar
carmine hamlet
#

and new devices come out, and maybe new firmware

grim igloo
#

yes but then they can move again

clever cedar
carmine hamlet
#

so whatever you buy now may not be the same

grim igloo
#

iirc puddly said eventually zha and the new efr chipset can force zero children on routers (wrong)

#

effectively limiting what routers devices can choose from (wrong)

carmine hamlet
#

is that just with the broken multi-pan firmware that was pulled?

grim igloo
#

i believe so

carmine hamlet
#

then it's not a problem

clever cedar
grim igloo
carmine hamlet
#

only people who are playing around with dev stuff should have ever had it

grim igloo
#

ah i think you misunderstood what i was going for there

carmine hamlet
#

I'm saying that bringing it up as a possible issue isn't useful

grim igloo
#

i didnt

#

i was bringing it up as a possible future solution

carmine hamlet
#

what?

grim igloo
#

dj you're following right?

clever cedar
#

Thanks again you guys! I really appreciate this community!

grim igloo
#

what do i need to clarify rob 😦

carmine hamlet
#

nothign

grim igloo
austere patio
grim igloo
#

you mean you can force only route to coordinator on a specific device only?

austere patio
#

You can set the number of children the coordinator supports to 0

grim igloo
#

i misread before

#

ooh

#

yeah that isnt what i was thinking of at all.. i definitely misunderstood you previously

#

disregard above @clever cedar i was wrong 🙂

carmine hamlet
#

How does a coordinator work if it has no children? Or am I mixing up the terminology?

austere patio
#

Devices will just pick other routers as parents

carmine hamlet
#

right, but how do messages get back to the coordinator?

#

doesn't something need to be a child?

austere patio
#

Only battery-powered devices have a concept of parent/child, since they need some mains-powered device to hold on to packets for them for a few seconds while they sleep

carmine hamlet
#

oh, got it

strange ibex
#

that's neat to know

#

the packet thingy

carmine hamlet
#

I was trying to work that out from the map in Z2M

austere patio
#

I believe they're the dashed lines in Z2M's map

grim igloo
#

Ok so then I was right above just slightly wrong due to terminology

carmine hamlet
#

I almost never want a battery-powered device going straight to the coordinator based on where they are in my house, but I think most choose better anyway

strange ibex
#

I never look at my map or how things are connecting. everything just do the dang thingy

grim igloo
#

How do we force devices to not be parents inside z2m?

austere patio
#

Only the coordinator, you'd set EZSP_CONFIG_MAX_END_DEVICE_CHILDREN=0. I don't know how Z2M handles radio-specific configuration.

grim igloo
#

To me this contradicts what you said above about the devices finding another parent. Or are you saying only the coordinator can have the functionality turned off period as part of zigbee spec? If so, sadcat

austere patio
#

You can't control the config of other devices, this is a firmware option set at runtime

#

And it only works on EZSP coordinators

sinful swift
#

I've just noticed that Zigbee2mqtt stops and fails to restart after the supervisor auto updates. Anyone else seeing this? "Start on boot" is on for the addon.

lilac wharf
strange saddle
#

Panic. Plz help. I just bought a skyconnect to get zigbee, now a friend says it only works on home assistant OS, noj in docker on debian? Plz clarify 😭 should i cancel my order?

austere patio
#

No, it's just a regular Zigbee stick. Works fine with everything. Setting up multi-PAN when it's out of beta, however, will require you to run something like the multi-PAN addon.

brisk meteor
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Is anyone with a skyconnect experiencing failures everyday? I basically have to restart my odroid c2/reconnect skyconnect or even repair all devices on my zha extension

austere patio
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Is your SkyConnect on the provided USB extension cable?

brisk meteor
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Yes

austere patio
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Any nearby SSDs or external HDDs? USB 3.0 devices?

brisk meteor
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Yes

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And router too

austere patio
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Those and the router are probably the issue

strange saddle
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Can skyconnect work with intel nuc on home assistant via docker? And will that setup also get matter support? Anyone have it and can confirm?

austere patio
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Yes, you just plug it in. It's no different from any other Zigbee stick.

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I don't know of any documentation for running the multi-PAN addon as a Docker container on x86 but I assume it won't be difficult for someone to publish an image once it's out of beta.

strange saddle
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But why is my friend saying "it will only work on home assistant os" will full features apply in ha in docker?

brisk meteor
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@austere patio does it interferes by making it completely offline? I can't even pair anything new, I thought these interferences would be momentary

austere patio
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If you can't join stuff, that sounds like interference

molten linden
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ezsp counters (viewable in debug logging) are a nice lens into interference too as you'll see a packet count for things that the coord refused to send due to interference.

austere patio
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They're also in the ZHA integration diagnostics if you download the JSON

molten linden
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ah nice

austere patio
brisk meteor
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I can join normally, only when it goes to this unavailable states that everything fails and never recovers without manual action

molten linden
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it's this one: PHY_CCA_FAIL_COUNT

brisk meteor
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I will try to isolate my odroid, but it can't go too far

strange saddle
austere patio
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After 2023.2.0 is released, sure. But there are currently only like two Matter devices actually using Thread...

strange saddle
austere patio
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If you run Home Assistant yourself in Docker, you forego the "easy integration features". That's what Home Assistant OS is for. The SkyConnect will work fine for Zigbee but to get Thread for Matter, you will need to figure out a way to run the multi-PAN addon. Either by switching to Home Assistant OS/Supervised and directly running the addon, or wait until someone builds the addon for your platform as a normal Docker container.

strange saddle
sour shadow
strange saddle
sour shadow
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If you're planning on using ZHA it's a fine coordinator

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If you're planning on using Zigbee2MQTT then it's experimental and I'd recommend a CC2652 based one instead

strange saddle
lost stump
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Has anyone else had problems with IKEA STYRBAR Remote (the 4-button one) and Zigbee2mqtt?

The remote pairs fine without any issues, but for whatever reason the action never fires. Have tried two different remotes and both Blueprints I was able to find.

Other types of IKEA remotes work, but it's a shame to fallback to those as this model has great battery life. Did not face this issue before as I am only now winding down my IKEA Hub.

hollow chasm
lost stump
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Yes tested that, with no luck I'm afraid :(. The blueprints I use for other IKEA remotes are also from that repo.

raven jewel
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This is my automation that I use with it

hollow chasm
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It sounds like there may be something else wrong then because it should be working. Do the Z2M logs show anything when you press the buttons?

lost stump
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No logs at all on Z2M, not even on the debug level I'm afraid :(.

strange ibex
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is there a firmware update for it?

lost stump
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Nope. One of the two gave an error "The firmware is newer than latest online" though and refused to pair, but worked on a subsequent attempt.

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The other one, paired straight without issues

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And now, one of the two has left the network it seems

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Warning 2023-01-26 21:46:52Device 'Living Room Remote' left the network
Info 2023-01-26 21:46:52MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/event', payload '{"data":{"friendly_name":"Living Room Remote","ieee_address":"0x842e14fffe456246"},"type":"device_leave"}'

strange ibex
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goodbye

hollow chasm
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How did you pair them?

lost stump
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@faint cradle By clicking on the reset button four times. Tried also holding it for 10 seconds (no effect), putting it right next to Zigbee Coordinator (no effect) etc.

hollow chasm
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Try re-pairing but press the button 10 times

lost stump
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@hollow chasm Thanks, just tried that. It seems to finish the interview and leave the network right after if I do that. And subsequently pairs if I press 4 times, but still does not register any events.

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Oh well, I guess I am stuck with the small remotes with crappy battery life then 🙂

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Thanks all for help

raven jewel
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My remote definitely works, did you check your Zigbee channel for interference?

lost stump
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No I did not, but I have about 20 other devices on it that all work no problems.

raven jewel
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Interference is tricky, what parent did you pair the remote though?

lost stump
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Well I tried both at the intended location (through a Ikea switch as a repeater) as well as a few cm from coordinator.

raven jewel
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and you specifically enabled pairing through those devices?

lost stump
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Yes

raven jewel
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It sounds like that device may be a dud, or something is up with interference locally

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If you can exchange it then it's worth a try

lost stump
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Well the funny thing is I repeated it on two Styrbars. Which worked a-ok when they were paired through the Ikea Hub.

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I've got a third one as well, will test that eventually.

raven jewel
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What Zigbee adapter are you using as your coordinator?

brave nacelle
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so in my very amateur theorizing here

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i have a precision garage door opener that's wired

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simple push of a button raises or closes the door

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if i could get a zigbee device to just emit that signal and hook in-line to that remote - how possible would that be?

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like a zigbee receiver

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i'm using very dumbed down terms here because i don't want to screw up what i'm trying to relay here

grim igloo
hollow chasm
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A lot of those newer garage door openers aren't analog just completing a circuit anymore. They're digital switches and if you try to toggle them with a relay, you end up with your door randomly opening and closing without you pressing the button due to picking up random radio interference from the air

brave nacelle
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ahhh

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this is an older precision 700 or 800 i think with a hardwire to the gearbox in the ceiling

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i checked to make sure it wasn't rf

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they stapled the line into the walls/ceiling from the opener to the box lol

brave nacelle
hollow chasm
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If it's old and just completing a circuit back to the lift mechanism, you should be fine with some sort of relay

brave nacelle
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could be worth the effort

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i just have to find the right gear

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maybe even too over the top for these purposes

hollow chasm
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If you can take apart the opener button, it should be fairly obvious if it's an analog switch since it'll only be 2 contacts that are being shorted together

grim igloo
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very similar convo earlier in #zwave-archived btw @brave nacelle if you want to see the suggestions there

dusty canopy
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Do you guys know a USB Adapter / Hub where i can Switch the Port with Zigbee?

strange ibex
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like turn a usb on or off?

dusty canopy
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yeah

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Ideally USB 3.0 ^^

strange ibex
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if you feel like making one though it seems all of it is there 😛

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seems to be usb 2.0 though

trail gorge
# dusty canopy Ideally USB 3.0 ^^

If you feel like making one though you can also just buy a USB 3.0 hub. Many come with on/off buttons

Then you can take the buttons out or replace them with push buttons, and wire GPIOs from a zigbee board to on/off

For a hub, especially 3.0, imo it's easier and cheaper to "hack" an existing one

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I also looked for this sort of stuff but there's not much. Sonoff has a wifi one but I think that's up to 1A, it's not a hub and it's USB 2.0

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I learned a bit from the above.

So since my zigbee is on channel 15 it should be fine since that's between 1 and 6 on wifi? Am I understanding this correctly?

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I can't attach an image here, but 1 through 6 on the wifi scanner all show max green stars

hollow chasm
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15 is between wifi 1 and 6 yeah

remote patio
gaunt hull
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Is there a way to force set the model of a device? I have several Tuya TS011F plugs. One of them registers as TS011F_plug_3 (which requires polling to report power usage). The polling options are available, and this seems to work as expected and I can see the power readings. Unfortunately, my other plugs are being detected as TS011F_plug_1 which is supposed to work with reading power, but none of the values are coming in. Is there a way to force the model number to be TS011F_plug_3 and therefore allow the polling options? I bought all these plugs together from the same Aliexpress store, so my assumption is they're all the same.

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looking further, it looks like the firmware versions are slightly different (20B+TZSKT11BS108) vs (20B+TZSKT11BS107) with the 07 being the plug_3 that works with polling. Is there a way to grab the firmware from one device and flash to others?

lost stump
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@raven jewel I have the SkyConnect coordinator. And yes I do realize it's 'experimental' but once again it works like a dream for everything else excepg the STYRBAR remotes...

tiny timber
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So all 3 of my Hue motion sensors (SML001) have now dropped off my ZHA/SkyConnect mesh. Worth trying Z2M? Or better to just revert to Conbee II until issues are sorted out?

lost stump
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@tiny timber My SML001 has been rock solid on SkyConnect with Z2M.

tiny timber
sterile sleet
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I have seem sm001 fall off on z2m also, I think it happens at a unfortunate moment when the coordinator just goes off for a moment and they try to reach it.. happened only once because I don't usually restart my coordinator nowadays

lost stump
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@tiny timber The SML001 routes via TRÅDFRI OnOff Switch in my case, and seems to route through it pretty persistently. Most of my other devices sort of wander between direct connection and routers even if they have very weak link quality, but the SML001 always goes through the router.

tiny timber
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The other issue I'm seeing with SkyConnect vs. the old Conbee II that I used to run is that my lock (Yale Assure SL - identified as YRD226/246 in ZHA) never updates its state. It responds to lock/unlock commands fine, but the state never actually updates.

full acorn
sour shadow
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ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

full acorn
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Zha

merry knot
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Hi guys, I've bought zigbee gateway which works via tuya. It's not the best way due to iot support exipres i would like to avoid tuya integration and use just zegbee integration. What I know it's impossible to do it by my current hardwere so I have to buy zigbee dongle. But I have a question, cause I can't find answer. Is i t working via Wifi? cause my home is quite large and I can't cover all zigbee snesors via one dongle. How should I do to do it right? Or maybe I'm wrong so can somene explain me how it works :). Thanks

lost stump
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Well, there are adapters that you can connect over Ethernet, and I would assume there's adapters for connecting via Wifi as well.

One thing to consider though is that most Zigbee devices that are directly connected to power will act as Mesh routers and forward the signal, so your dongle does not need to cover the entire home area either way.

sour shadow
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Yeah, you only need one coordinator, and many routers. The routers build the mesh to cover your house.

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There's a pinned message about how the mesh works, it (and the others) are worth a read

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Oh, and don't buy a WiFi connected coordinator - that's a recipe for disaster

merry knot
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so, if i understand. One dongle for "raspberry HA" it will find zigbee gatewways over the home with paired sensors?

sour shadow
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No

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That dongle+HA is your "gateway"

merry knot
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so when yousay mesh you mean zigbee mesh

sour shadow
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Yes, given that we're in the Zigbee channel, mesh refers to a Zigbee mesh

full acorn
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Any ideas for my aqara plug?

merry knot
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@sour shadow @lost stump Many thanks, now i understand

still portal
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Hey guys, been doing a lot of digging but no success so I thought I'd as. Is there a way to flash the Sonoff ZB Dongle-E based on the EFR32MG21 as a router in order to be able to just plug it to an USB port and extend my zigbee network. Thanks!

full acorn
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Can I use ZHA and ZIGBEE2MQTT at the same time?

tiny timber
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With two different coordinators on two different channels, yes.

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You can have them both installed at the same time though, and toggle between which one you use.

sour shadow
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Just not with the same coordinator, as they both assume they're the only ones using it

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(that or be very sure to use their built in backup and restore functions)

full acorn
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Ok thank you. The energy monitoring doesnt work at my aqara smart plug.
Can you recommend an alternative?

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IT doesnt work with ZHA

tropic depot
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Those plugs should just work

shrewd pewter
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If I switch one zigbee stick (sonoff P), with another one, same model.
Will everything on zigbee2mqtt work as usual?
Or is any information saved on the stick itself?

sour shadow
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Tells you in the FAQ 😉

full acorn
remote patio
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can z2m not unbind devices that directly bind to each other?

tropic depot
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Try removing it and pairing it again @full acorn

remote patio
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at this point I think it might be easier to give away these zigbee devices.. nobody seems to have found a lasting solution

split ravine
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Has anyone had any experience with Moes wireless dimmers? I've got four 3-gang switches from here - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B093R266SF?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1 but they all seem to occasionally go to 'sleep'. Sometimes you press them and nothing happens, and it takes a second press for the signal to be sent through to HA. I've also got plenty of Hue dimmers which work flawlessly, and a fairly comprehensive mesh across the house so I'm guessing the answer is the Moes switches aren't great, but Moes in general seemed fairly well reviewed.

ashen coral
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Whoop! OTA upgrade of smoke detectors from 4.0.4 to 4.0.5. Three hours, 54 minutes remaining.

winter wolf
split ravine
winter wolf
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What’s your setup? I’m using zigbee2mqtt with zzh! CC2652R USB dongle. Not that I feel it’s anything to do with network.
Im not sure what I’m going to look, but I have a number of the IKEA circular remotes so may just stick with those for now…

split ravine
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I'm using ZHA with Sonoff dongle, everything else works great but just these dimmers are naff

mellow geode
warm totem
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Hi all,
What zigbee plug, that works with the energy dashboard, do you recommend? I need an EU version and not too expensive for my birthday present.

glossy marten
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i have a usb zigbee module what are the setup steps?

sour shadow
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What is that module?

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(chipset is the most important thing, but if you can tell us the make and model that helps too)

glossy marten
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Zigbee sonoff 3.0 usb dongle plus

sour shadow
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The P (CC2652 based) one, or the E one?

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(yes, typical Sonoff to make life hard)

glossy marten
sour shadow
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Product Name: SONOFF ZB Dongle-P

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?

glossy marten
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yeah so the p version

sour shadow
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Then you can use either Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA, whichever you prefer

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

glossy marten
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what will you recommend for someone who will keep it simple?

sour shadow
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Well, ZHA is part of HA...

hearty glacier
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Hi, I was wondering, if its possible, to connect my Phillips Hue Bridge with a Aquara window connector?

sour shadow
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It may be... try it and hope?

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You're more likely to have luck with the Zigbee 3.0 range, but you'll have more luck if you ditch the hub

warm totem
glossy marten
sour shadow
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Well, no

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ZHA is an integration

glossy marten
rapid dawnBOT
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@glossy marten When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

sour shadow
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Plug it in to a USB extension cable, check for WiFi interference so you can pick a sensible channel rather than relying on the default being good, then configure ZHA

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(plus other useful bits in the pinned messages)

glossy marten
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why an usb extension cable

sour shadow
glossy marten
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how do i "pick" a channel?

sour shadow
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Well, start by doing a scan to see where all the WiFi is

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Then pick (as explained in the top pinned message) the quietest channel from 15, 20, or 25

glossy marten
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is this scan done with some spcecial software or?

sour shadow
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No, Google WiFi scanner

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Optionally add android or ios or windows as appropriate

glossy marten
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I have some data now that tells me that the best channels are 10, 11, 12 and 13

sour shadow
glossy marten
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i still dont get what channel i should choose

sour shadow
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You get that Zigbee channels and WiFi channels are numbered differently?

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WiFi channel 11 isn't the same as Zigbee channel 11

glossy marten
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yes that i get

sour shadow
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Ok, so if you've got the least WiFi on WiFi channels 10 to 13, look at the diagram to see how that lines up with Zigbee channels 15, 20, and 25

glossy marten
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so i want to put the zigbee module as far away as possible to the router as well right?

sour shadow
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Within reason - one to two meters is enough

glossy marten
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does the orientation of the antenna have any effect?

sour shadow
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Yes, but largely don't worry about it at this point

glossy marten
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so how do i change the channel to 25?

sour shadow
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That's covered in the ZHA docs

glossy marten
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great

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i dont really have a backup so ill choose the ladder

sour shadow
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I don't use ZHA, but that seems like the obvious option

glossy marten
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ok, i have set up the integration do i just add this to the configurator file?

  zigpy_config:
    network:
      channel: 15             # What channel the radio should try to use.
      channels: [15, 20, 25]  # Channel mask
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witch channel 25 ofc

sour shadow
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Yes

rapid dawnBOT
austere patio
glossy marten
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my philips hue lights doesnt show up in the add devices in ZHA do i have to do something?

clever cedar
sour shadow
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Did you put them in pairing mode?

glossy marten
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no, how do i do that?

sour shadow
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Find the instructions that came with it?

grizzled kettle
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if they're unpaired, they just try to pair by default at power on

sour shadow
austere patio
clever cedar
wet socket
#

Hi everyone! I have a tricky question. Does anyone know how to use Zigbee Scene in HA? I heard the is a way to do it using zigbee_cluster_command and some scripts. Any idea?

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I've just migrated to ZHA with Skyconnect.

glossy yoke
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My Conbee II worked initially but hasn't for a couple of months now. Cannot figure out what's wrong but I'm very new to HA.

elfin cypress
#

Is it still advised to use a usb extension for a zigbee stick if the machine youre running it on has no wifi/other wireless connectivity?

elfin cypress
glossy yoke
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@elfin cypress well someone suggested updating to the most recent which I did following their instructions but it didn't help.

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Can a post a Pic here?

elfin cypress
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Try following some of the advice given on that github thread, maybe... I've not personally dealt with the issue but it might be a good place to start. Sorry, it's just something that came to mind. I'm not familiar with the conbee at all beyond reading the adapter recommendation page 😃

glossy yoke
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Conbee is detected but says failed to setup

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@elfin cypress will do, thank you!

grim igloo
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Conbee is pain

glossy yoke
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@grim igloo may just do that. I'm tired of screwing around with it

sour shadow
grim igloo
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Ya it’s not worth it when better options exist

glossy yoke
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It's connected to a rasp pi 4

grim igloo
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The tube PoE coordinator is neat if you want to put it in a more central location

molten linden
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wonder why people keep making usb stick format coordinators.😂

grim igloo
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Ooh a wild tube appeared

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Speak of the devil haha

molten linden
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it causes a ton of issues. just don't put USB A on and put C on it and call it a day

grim igloo
molten linden
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use the form factor to force correct usage

clever cedar
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Existencial question guys:

Which is the best zigbee brand overall?

Most reliable and with product variety?

grim igloo
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Hue lol

glossy yoke
sour shadow
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I have a mix of Xiaomi, Tradfri, Gledopto, Linkind, Develco, Hue, Terncy...

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All of them do something better than the others

molten linden
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Terncy (RIP)

clever cedar
sour shadow
grim igloo
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Tinkerer what do you think beats hue in what ways?

sour shadow
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Price 😄

grim igloo
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That’s to me?

molten linden
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I think their site is still up, but the store is dead as far as I can tell

sour shadow
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Yes

grim igloo
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Yea hue is overpriced for sure

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Rgbw bulbs specifically

clever cedar
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if you had to chose just one brand which one will it be?

sour shadow
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I'd import Xiaomi, Develco/Frient, and Linkind

molten linden
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hue just work. Innr work well too in my experience.