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strange ibex
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only if you want it to work 😛

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you might be able to figure it out by looking at the single and quad

hot fable
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yeah, even that list only has listings for 1 and 4 gang 😦

hot fable
strange ibex
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yeah, probably a bit overwhelming 🙂

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why the shit am I using so many smileys lately

raven jewel
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Well you'd have to get one for Australian switches. But I had some when living in Austria which has similar looking switches to the extra letter country name last I saw 🙂

strange ibex
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I think it would be pretty simple to get the others going but can never be 100%

hot fable
raven jewel
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You could just superglue smart buttons to the wall 😂

hot fable
strange ibex
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hrmmmm

raven jewel
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Alright, radical solution time: Tape the switches into their current position. Install smart bulbs. Automate the lights

strange ibex
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how do you feel about becoming an electrician ?

hot fable
raven jewel
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Anyone who tries to press the light switch gets extra chores

strange ibex
hot fable
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the first thing we were thinking of were shelly relays instead, but now we're thinking of changing the light switch to be a bit more modern and thought maybe zigbee switches are the way to go, since they can be manual and local

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it's kinda looking like maybe shellys are the way to go instead, and we can get some dumb switches to go with it perhaps?

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if there's no guarantee that i can get the zigbee switches working with HA that is

raven jewel
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Netatmo makes smart switches you can use in Aus IIRC

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I would look on say the Zigbee2MQTT page for the switches you're looking at, and realistically they probably will work

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The good news is they'll work as dumb switches as well

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But if you buy from a known brand you can always buy their hub and hook things up to that/through that

hot fable
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that's true - mercator do have a hub that they sell?

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it'll just be a question of how well that can be hooked into HA - though i assume it won't be local

strange ibex
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I feel like it's already supported under a different name

raven jewel
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mercator appear to be wifi devices

strange ibex
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nah, that's who makes the zigbee above

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it's just rebranded tuya

hot fable
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mercator make the ikuu range which comes in zigbee or wifi versions

strange ibex
hot fable
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oh, those are the 2 and 3 gang version?

strange ibex
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it might not be associated with it yet but I believe so

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don't trust me. 🙂

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I am sketchy

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my discord was down for a bit

hot fable
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I did find this forum post with this post, but I'm not sure if one confirmation from mid 2021 is good enough to be sure? https://whrl.pl/RghN7H

hot fable
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so maybe it is supported by z2mqtt, but the tag hasn't been updated?

final kestrel
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I have one using zigbee2mqtt and I’ll be able to use thread…. At the same time

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I’m letting the firmware mature a little bit more

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You are basically 1 docker container away and 2 tcp streams… one for thread and one for matter

worthy vortex
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I woke up this morning to a very dark house. Check logs for Z2M and it says "Error: Failed to connect to the adapter"
This happened over night. I have a zzh!, tried to reflash it with fresh coordinator but that did not work. Any ideas what i should do?

raven jewel
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Did you specify the device by serial id or ttyusb0/1/2?

full acorn
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Hi, I have integrated the "ledvance zigbee smart+" with zigbee, but there is only an entity for switching. How can I see the energy consumption?

unreal sedge
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you mean the LED lights? i don't think they have a power consumption statistic. that's more a thing for switchable plugs

full acorn
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no a power plug

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Integration with zigbee worked, but Ithere is only a switch (working), an Identifybutton and Lqi and Rssi. I have no entity for power consumption.

violet wave
teal leaf
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I integrated Zigbee2MQTT and scanned for devices. It found the Sengled light bulb. I renamed it but it is not showing up in HA settings, devices and services, devices. I started asking for help in the Zigbee2MQTT discord but they ran out of ideas. They told me to come here for help. I need help.

sour shadow
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Did you put the ConBee on a USB extension cable?

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Did you enable Home Assistant support in Z2M?

teal leaf
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yes.

rapid dawnBOT
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@teal leaf I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
teal leaf
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it was already enables. I didn't have to edit and enter true.

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i've also deleted the device from zigbee2mqtt devices and re-scanned.

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i've also turned on debug but see nothing interesting or revealing

fossil loom
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hi, I have managed to install my first switch module (1 gang) successfully, the light and switch is working. but when I scan devices on my Z2M I don't see any new device, is there anything else I need to do to see it?

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this is the module

teal leaf
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i had the same problem. it wouldn't detect a device. The device was not on the supported devices list. so i bought a sengled bulb and zigbee2mqtt detected it. but now zigbee2mqtt won't put it in HA devices.

fossil loom
teal leaf
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then that's not the problem. i mentioned it only because that was my problem

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maybe zigbee2mqtt isn't the good way to go. I can't get help from zigbee2mqtt discord

fossil loom
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yeah that's why I came up here

teal leaf
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ZHA or Zigbee Home Automation integration might work better

sour shadow
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It's worth a shot, your problem isn't at all obvious

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If Z2M is running then based on what you've shared above it should be working

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At least, devices in Z2M should also show in HA... assuming HA's MQTT integration is set up

teal leaf
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yes HA's MQTT integration is setup I see a lot of those devices.

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I'll uninstall zigbee2mqtt and install Zigbee Home Automation integration

mellow geode
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Actually, might have confused that with a different PR, so just probably ignore what I wrote above

fossil loom
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I will look up for pairing mode button on the module itself, it might be the solution for me

lusty falcon
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Hi all, updated to home assistant core 2023.1.6 today and are now having some strange zigbee issues.
I can read the state of things, eg press a switch and can see it in the logbook, but I can't set any states (eg turn on a light, plug etc). I've dumped the zigbee logs, and can see lots of the dreaded NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED messages.
I've got everything powered down at the moment, attempting to achieve some sort of re-mesh, but am not sure if that's futile.
I've seen a couple of posts of the same issue here, but not able to understand the outcome.

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stick is a conbee ii

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rolled back core update, no better

short sandal
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@lusty falcon have you tried turning it on and off again?

lusty falcon
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yer, many times

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😄

mighty river
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I've got a problem with my Aqara door sensor becoming unavailable after a couple of days. I know this is fairly common, as I think the device is not running Zigbee 3.0. But... is there anything to improve stability anyway? Some config you can do?

Using ZHA

austere patio
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What routing devices are on your network?

glossy narwhal
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Hello, Zigbee noob here. Up until now I've been using a few Ikea Tradfri bulbs that I've connected to a Hue hub first. I want to upgrade the firmware on the bulbs and I decided to try and do this with a skyconnect as they recently came back in stock again in the UK. I run HA on an RPi4 in a docker container, works just fine. I connected the skyconnect using ZHA without any problems but, now, it won't pair to my bulbs. I've seen the post about using a longer usb extension - tried that and it makes no difference. Can any one offer assistance on what else to try please?

whole ermine
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Hi folks, I'm migrating from DeConz/conbee to ZHA/Skyconnect - any advice on how best to do it with my Hue bulbs? I don't mind resetting them all, but I'm not sure how to unpair from deconz to reset, as obviously they don't have a reset button like (eg) smart plugs

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Do I just delete them from Deconz and they will go into pairing mode automatically? Or do I need to do some clever power cycling or something?

austere patio
whole ermine
austere patio
glossy narwhal
austere patio
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Move the SkyConnect as far away from it as possible

glossy narwhal
glossy narwhal
austere patio
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Thanks for the info! Just out of curiosity, what brand of hard disk and USB -> SATA adapter are you using? I'd like to replicate your setup if possible, to see if there's anything that can be configured in the firmware to make it less sensitive for a common use case like this (if that's even feasible, since the USB HDD may really be that noisy).

glossy narwhal
austere patio
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Perfect, thanks

grim igloo
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@austere patio there’s a list of known working usb to sata/nvme adapters for ssd booting with pi I can link you if you’d like

austere patio
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I'm more interested in any specific one that's causing SkyConnect issues

grim igloo
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Idk how much time and money you want to put into this test

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Right

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But said list would be useful for said testing lol

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Assuming you wanted to buy each smile

austere patio
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Nah, one is enough

jagged estuary
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How do I connect an IKEA Tradfri RGB light bulb with my Zigbee dongle and Home Assistant? The instruction manual only shows how to pair it with one of the light switches (STYRBAR)

austere patio
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Click the "add device" button (or the equivalent in your integration) and reset the bulb. After it does the fade/blink, it should start looking for a network a few seconds later.

jagged estuary
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got it thank you

jagged estuary
austere patio
jagged estuary
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And the STYRBAR only sends updates, is there an addon or a blueprint that has internal entities to change them accordingly?

regal storm
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Hey, is there any way to calculate or know how much concrete or wood thesignal might penetrate? asking for the sonoff dongle plus in my case can I just use 2.4ghz numbers? But I don't see any transmit power

jagged estuary
austere patio
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Zigbee messages go back and forth: devices have to reply to whatever message you send, which likely will be relayed by some other intermediate routing device. Transmit power won't help with devices replying. All you really need are routing devices that can relay the messages around.

regal storm
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I guess the actual question is does every device generally use the same transmit power? like 20dbm?

lilac wharf
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In my experience it varies by manufacturer and is not usually anywhere close to 20

regal storm
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that will make planning a bit harder I guess

jagged estuary
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Is there an easy way to have the IKEA STYRBAR have an immediate effect on the lamps without me writing ten different automations?

small finch
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Hi folks! i have bought myself a Frient energy meter

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but i cant seem to pair it to Zigbee2MQTT

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any ideas?

hollow chasm
small finch
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Maybe devolco

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develco

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@hollow chasm u are eveywhere my guy

hollow chasm
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That's the first device so far that I've seen without pairing instructions. You'll have to look for some sort of pairing/reset button. Usually you press and hold it for 5 or 10 seconds, but it varies. The manual might help

small finch
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and to clarify. i have been able to pair a Aqara temp sensor and it works

small finch
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when started it wil ltry to pair for 15 minutes auto

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so when green led is blinking it trying to pair

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which it doing. and i have it about 2 centimeters from the conbee adapter

small finch
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anyone else has an idea?

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also restasred my OS session and removed and plugged in the conbee II adapter

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@hollow chasm im so sorry... "allow new connections" ... was the issue...

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one beer to many i guess

jagged estuary
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xD

mighty cedar
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I got a sonoff E dongle with the EFR chip and it's been giving me issues with some sensors dropping off using Zigbee2MQTT and I'm wondering weather I should swtich to ZHA or just get the one with the CC2652 chip and keep using Z2M? which would be the better setup

grim igloo
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That’s a personal choice based on opinion really

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If you like z2m and just want it more stable, easy choice

mighty cedar
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Like I haven't used zha at all but I've heard z2m is better and supports more things.. plus the adapter is like only 20 bucks now

jagged estuary
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I'm using the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB DONGLE PLUS with Z2M for a while now and I love the compatibility and I never had issues

mighty cedar
jagged estuary
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Oh jeez, let me check

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ah shit, P

mighty cedar
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I got the E model and it's been pretty good until I tried to add motion sensors, which now constantly drop making them quite unreliable

mighty cedar
jagged estuary
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is there a reason you got the E version?

mighty cedar
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because when I looked at reviews it was said to be more powerful and better

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but I guess it's fine since I will have a thread adapter for when that becomes common

lilac wharf
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The P and E are basically comparable as far as specs

mighty cedar
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I've heard the E has a faster CPU, and it's probably nicer in zha but I think most use z2m which would also mean it gets more attention and better support too

raven jewel
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"heard"?

grim igloo
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zha is getting more popular and puddly and co have been adding a lot of noob-friendly features to it which is nice

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i use z2m and still suggest it to people but zha and z2m both are just as capable as your zigbee mesh drivers

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also eventually zha will be able to upgrade the stick's firmware from inside home assistant which is a great feature

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plus the support is pretty great with zha and the devs / community. not to say z2m support hasnt been fine for me, but you can jump in here / github and get help ranging from noob entry level stuff to straight up developer level debugging to fix a problem or help add support for a device that isnt currently working as intended

mighty cedar
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When I looked at the supported devices list there were so many things that only worked on z2m and not zha

grim igloo
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what supported devices list

carmine hamlet
grim igloo
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the last unsupported device that z2m had support for and not zha was the fp1 iirc, and they've since caught up. i think the aqara pet feeder was added by zha first

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thanks to dmulcahey purchasing it himself and adding support

molten linden
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Nothing new about the E other than the board it’s on. It’s the 2nd or third device sonoff has put out with the same efr32 chip. E is on the left SM-011 module from old Wi-Fi bridge on the right

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grim igloo
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just saw your new PoE BT proxy board tube.. looks nice

grizzled kettle
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Do all hue bulbs work with zigbee? I'm looking at a BR30 that only has a Bluetooth logo on the front cover.

grim igloo
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you can always confirm on the product site on z2m

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is it a WIZ bluetooth bulb?

molten linden
grim igloo
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oh derp

grizzled kettle
grim igloo
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be a lot cooler if it was

molten linden
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just gives power to the wt32-eth01 since it doesn't have it easilly

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well buy a olimex esp32-poe it's all you need.

grim igloo
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yea i know

mighty cedar
raven jewel
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It's not precisely benefits, but differences

grim igloo
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it's personal preference imo as i started with above

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i like the webui and how z2m is configured mixed with the ability to decouple it from home assistant

raven jewel
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One difference: ZHA sends events when something is done, e.g. a button press. Z2M has a sensor which changes state.

grim igloo
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i actually dont like the fact that it requires MQTT inbetween devices and hass but it is what it is

molten linden
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I sent this to some one yesterday.

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The difference is ZHA expects devices to work with the zigbee spec, if a device doesn’t (a lot don’t!) a quirk or device handler is needed to translate the devices behavior to zigbee spec behaviors.

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Zigbee2mqtt requires a converter for all devices no matter if they are spec compliant or not. Since zigbee2mqtt can be used alone or with other things beyond home assistant, it has a wider developer community and converts come fairly quickly for new products. ZHA_device_handlers has recently seen a lot more participation than in years past.

lilac wharf
grim igloo
mighty cedar
lilac wharf
grim igloo
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well not necessarily

raven jewel
grim igloo
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zwave js ui (without using the mqtt part) can survive hass restarts since the addon isnt a part of hass

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that's kinda decoupled lol

raven jewel
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Z2M can too

grim igloo
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wasnt thinking, duh

carmine hamlet
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I just got my FP1 and it's pretty cool. Should solve the problem in my office where I'm reading things or typing and the lights go out because the motion sensor doesn't see me

grim igloo
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i was playing with a couple around xmas and never did much with them

carmine hamlet
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it sends a lot of state info about what's happeneing

grim igloo
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one in dining room and definitely confirmed it's too slow to NOT pair with a PIR

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i have one on my desk and was seeing if it could always tell if i was at my pc or not instead of using like a seat sensor

raven jewel
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Mine won't stop detecting motion 😦

carmine hamlet
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it looks like as long as you use the "presence event" along with the "presence" binary_sensor, it's pretty quick

raven jewel
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My second just arrived though, so I can test if it's a faulty device or something else

carmine hamlet
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if you just use the latter, there's a built-in delay

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the "event" sensor starts with "enter", moves to "approach", and eventually the "presence" sensor reports "home"

grim igloo
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i setup ```yaml
platform: state
entity_id:

  • sensor.dining_room_fp1_presence_event
    to: approach```
carmine hamlet
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it starts with "enter"

grim igloo
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this is with z2m?

carmine hamlet
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yes

grim igloo
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in the logbook i just see away approach away approach over and over

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do i need to look at events or something instead?

carmine hamlet
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I watched the states change

grim igloo
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shit im gonna go test it

raven jewel
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It's very weird to me that "presence" stays positive

grim igloo
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wait

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is there an "enter" sent when it stops detecting as well?

carmine hamlet
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it goes to 'leave'

grim igloo
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kk been a few since i played with them thx

raven jewel
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Presence events: "enter", "leave", "left_enter", "right_leave", "right_enter", "left_leave", "approach", "away"
🤔

carmine hamlet
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will take a screen recording when this cat gets off of me

grim igloo
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ugh you're right

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it's way faster

carmine hamlet
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yeah, there's 'undirected' and 'left-right'

grim igloo
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i thought there was no support for regions yet

strange ibex
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that's neat.

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I wish my mmWaves had that

grim igloo
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or that's different than left-right i suppose

carmine hamlet
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I don't think there is

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that's different

strange ibex
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I have regions but no left to right stuffs

carmine hamlet
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I literally just plucked the thing from my mailbox and joined it, so still learning 🙂

strange ibex
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maybe it isn't the same regions, lol

carmine hamlet
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the only problem is that it's USB-powered

grim igloo
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well.. and NOT a repeater

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which is crap

carmine hamlet
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I like the magnetic base, though

grim igloo
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didnt realize it was magnetic :x

carmine hamlet
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I've learned all sorts of things in the last 10 mins

grim igloo
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lol

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my cats and dog are setting it off too but same thing with pir

raven jewel
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I like the USB power

grim igloo
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i thought it was weird they came with 2 power bricks

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one like 2amp and 1 1amp i think?

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i used the bigger on both

raven jewel
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Mine only came with one

grim igloo
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weird

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which brick size? the rectangular or smaller square like old iphones come with

raven jewel
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I don't remember, it's got an American plug so is useless to me

lilac wharf
grim igloo
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That makes sense. In my head it’s just an extra step since websocket is obfuscated with zwave js ui.

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I thought previous discussions here ended up with it being a bit slower just negligible in terms of perf

lilac wharf
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Yeah, any difference would be imperceptible

carmine hamlet
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In my experiments, the FP1 is every bit as fast as my Aqara P1 sensor. I just replaced the latter's binary_sensor with this template binary_sensor:

- binary_sensor:
  - name: "Office mmWave Here"
    state: >-
      {{ is_state('sensor.office_mmwave_presence_event', ['enter', 'approach']) }}
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profit so far

grim igloo
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can you explain that for us non templateers

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why is it looking at both enter and approach?

carmine hamlet
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because it transitions to "enter" immediately when it sees somebody, then moves to "approach" and stays there as long as it sees somebody there

grim igloo
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ah

carmine hamlet
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as soon as it no longer sees you, it moves to "away", and then shortly thereafter to "leave"

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I had "away" in that list for a bit, but decided that the quick transition to "off" was better

grim igloo
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yeah i have mine triggering on away to turn off right now

carmine hamlet
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I don't use the actual "presence" binary_sensor at all

grim igloo
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seems i am using that for my turn off trigger just not on

grim igloo
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guess it doesnt matter if it's happening a second later

carmine hamlet
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the binary_sensor would stay "on" if I just left and quickly came back

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but it's better for it to reflect the action presence of a human and just let my lighting timeout kick in

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I really like it so far and I would like to stick it on the wall where my PIR sensor is now, but I don't want the cord hanging down

grim igloo
grim igloo
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at least then you could use trim or something to hide wire behind

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or maybe like an led strip in a 90 degree aluminum channel with a diffuser going up said corner and stopping right at the fp1 (and hiding fp1 cable down the channel)

carmine hamlet
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and I would get rid of the device actions

grim igloo
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the new template binary sensor aka your snippet above?

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ah yea should've used the entities

carmine hamlet
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and I would probably create a group for the light and switch, and just control them with a single action

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mine would be ~25% of the size

grim igloo
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yea easy to do that too

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remind me.. do i need to change the switch to a light then make a lightgroup?

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i think so

carmine hamlet
# 
alias: Dining Room Lights Automation
trigger:
  - platform: state
    entity_id: binary_sensor.dining_room_fp1_presence_state
    to: 'on'
  - platform: state
    entity_id: binary_sensor.dining_room_fp1_presence_state
    to: "off"
    for:
      minutes: 10
action:
  - service: homeassistant.turn_{{ states('binary_sensor.dining_room_fp1_presence_state') }}
    entity_id: group.xxxx
raven jewel
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Simple. I like it.

carmine hamlet
grim igloo
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i like the choose actions because the recent changes to the automation ui editor makes the "summaries" very human readable

grim igloo
carmine hamlet
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if I can do it with a template, you know what I'm gonna do

grim igloo
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i'm not sure how that will effect zwave js ui multi tap scenes with the switch but i'll figure that out later

grim igloo
carmine hamlet
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that and multicast make it more complicated, but you can abstract that out into sensors and template switches if you want

grim igloo
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i dont do any multicast on zwave mesh(i have zwave swiches and zigbee bulbs lol)

carmine hamlet
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the template binary_sensor that I gave you above does that

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this uses it

grim igloo
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ah yea that clears it up

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and create a secondary binary sensor for the away or off state?

carmine hamlet
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you don't need anything else

grim igloo
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i thought ```yaml

  • binary_sensor:
    • name: "Office mmWave Here"
      state: >-
      {{ is_state('sensor.office_mmwave_presence_event', ['enter', 'approach']) }}``` only handles the on
carmine hamlet
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nope

grim igloo
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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

carmine hamlet
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when it's not 'on', it's.....

grim igloo
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Yea

raven jewel
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┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

grim igloo
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Feels like we’ve overcomplicated it but I suppose it’s a good learning experience lol

carmine hamlet
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the logic has to go somewhere

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I created the binary_sensor because I have a whole PyScript script that handles all my lighting and it takes one or more binary_sensor entities as "motion sensors"

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so I just created that and plugged it in

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tweak as needed/desired

grim igloo
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What do you mean by handles all your lighting?

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Yea

carmine hamlet
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I don't have automations like that for each room. I have a single PyScript script and I create instances for every room with the appropriate motions sensors, lights, and alarm zones as appropriate. And then it just does the right thing

grim igloo
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definitely

trail gorge
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Anyone had issues with Ikea Fyrtur blinds being not very responsive? Any tips?

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Restarting HA for some reason seems to make them respond almost instantly. I have the remote that comes with them, and it worked just fine at first, but now there's a few seconds delay between the registering of the event and the actual blinds moving, and sometimes they don't even react to the stop event

I did make sure the button itself isn't at fault by testing it with my curtains which have 0 delay, they start and stop moving instantly

glossy narwhal
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Yesterday I managed to get Skyconnect/ZHA working and connected a single Tradfri bulb. I'm trying to update the bulb's firmware and found this https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/fak430/how_to_update_your_ikea_or_ledevance_firmware/ which is a 3 year old post and I'm having trouble finding some things eg "Or for IKEA devices, you can go Config > Integrations > ZHA > Device > OTA Cluster > image_notify command to ask them to check in." not sure where this has gone in the menus. Anyone got some more up to date instructions please?

<edit> found this, trying. https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/wiki/OTA-Device-Firmware-Updates#enabling-ota-updates

glossy narwhal
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Well I think it's working, I can see file_offset=nnnnn and it's an increasing number. <crosses fingers>

glossy narwhal
rigid phoenix
waxen lynx
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hi all, just want to check something: if I buy an Aqara smart plug, will that enforce my zigbee network coverage and be part of the mesh network?

#

currently only have my sonoff dongle as coördinator and upstairs range is not ideal (missing events). LQI value of around 95. So thinking of putting a smart plug somewhere in the middle.

prime zinc
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Setup: ZHA with SkyConnect. 1 x Ikea Trådfri bulb, 1 x Ikea Trådfri Styrbar Remote. I can create automations for all buttons on the remote to control the bulb via HA. I can also bind the remote directly to the bulb. In the latter case the two remaining buttons on the remote does nothing.

Is it possible to both have a direct binding between the remote and bulb and also present the unused buttons to HA for further automation?

mellow geode
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Did you try binding the remote (via the Manage Zigbee device -> Clusters UI) and see if you still get events in HA?

prime zinc
# mellow geode Did you try binding the remote (via the Manage Zigbee device -> Clusters UI) and...

After paring the remote in ZHA, I can see keypresses from all four buttons (and use them for automations). If I then go to the Bindings tab in "Manage Zigbee Device" and Bind it to the Ikea Bulb, then I can directly control the bulb (dim+ON/OFF) but I do not get events in HA.

Maybe I misunderstood your question - should I go to the "Clusters" tab or the "Bindings" tab in "Manage Zigbee Device"?

raw nest
#

I feel stupid, but i have multiple Aqara/Xiaomi/LUMI sensors connected to a Innr bulb with a router, someone turned off the physical light switch and now all the sensors show as unavailable in HA. I read that a usb extension cable for my Conbee II might help fix the problem, but i tried and the same thing still happens when a ZigBee router loses power, the sensors dont reconnect on their own. What can i do besides repair them?

sour shadow
#

Well, mostly the answer is to not cut power to your Zigbee routers

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If you must use Zigbee bulbs and cut power to them buy Sengled since they aren't routers

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You can also force your devices to pair via a specific router, though it may not stay connected that way

raw nest
#

I did pair the sensors only through the bulb, is that bad?

sour shadow
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You're cutting power the bulb, that's "bad"

raw nest
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I assumed that doing it the other way makes it only connect to the conbee stick

sour shadow
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Ok... do you know how Zigbee works?

raw nest
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Kinda, im new to this

sour shadow
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Because you're deliberately shooting yourself in the foot, with a shotgun

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If you turn off the power to a router, it clearly can't route

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So, everything connected to it ... they're dead, gone, not working

raw nest
#

To be clear its on now and the sensors won't reconnect

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And i only bought this bulb to use it as a router

unreal sedge
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Well those sensors are now confused where the router went

grim igloo
#

@raw nest in theory end devices should look for a new route if they don’t have one. Unfortunately aqara sensors (at least some of them) don’t do this as often as they should

raw nest
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Ok, thanks for explaining

grim igloo
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This is also why people will include them with a specific router but then they can roam later

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Although usually they don’t I think. Not an expert

raw nest
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For ZHA, Is it better to just use "add ZigBee device" instead of "add device via ___ device"?

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Because my understanding was that the first option forces it to connect to the main ZigBee stick

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Or is like zwave where it finds the best route?

sour shadow
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The first option lets the device pick

raw nest
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Ohh that explains it

sour shadow
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This is ... sometimes good, sometimes bad

raw nest
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Ill do that from now on and see if that works better

sour shadow
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With an Aqara you want to join via always

raw nest
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Oh

sour shadow
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And... do not turn off routers

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Or... do, and accept that you're deliberately breaking your setup

raw nest
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I mean in theory wouldnt the same thing happen during a power outage?

grim igloo
#

Best solution here is put smart switches in locations you want to use smart bulbs

sour shadow
raw nest
#

So do you guys have to repair everything after a power outage?

strange ibex
sour shadow
strange ibex
#

You have a few problems all combined. One big one is the Aqara devices are terrible about reconnecting if their router is gone. Then you're forcing devices to pair to a router that is being flipped off. Also, keep the extension on your conbee even if it didn't fix this issue. It is still ideal.

grim igloo
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And just straight up deleting the conbee from your life

raw nest
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I almost wish i just spent more money on zwave

grim igloo
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Grass isn’t always greener

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Source: I use both

raw nest
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I also use both

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Zwave is a mess but the mesh seems to be smarter

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And the standards are better enforced

grim igloo
sour shadow
#

The ConBee will have less problem when you use a USB extension cable

raw nest
#

Okay, thanks for the advice

sour shadow
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I have a large (90 ish) Zigbee mesh, with Xiaomi and others, and it's way better than my Z-Wave mesh ever was

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Except for the lack of Association

grim igloo
strange ibex
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The only problems I ever had were from cheap aqara motion sensors. I have ditched those and my life is better.

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the P1's might be better. not sure

raw nest
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I guess the lesson here is you get what you pay for

grim igloo
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In theory zwave alliance should enforce shit better - and they have the power to- but it’s still a shitshow in a lot of scenarios honestly

strange ibex
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those sensors just are notorious for what you're dealing with and then you're inducing it a bit. 😛

sour shadow
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The P1 has been fine for me

raw nest
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So last question, battery powered zigbee sensors will try to reconnect and if they cant then they give up, is that correct?

strange ibex
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nice, I was hoping so. I was trying to find them forever but now I am on wired USB stuff in most places

#

I did buy an IKEA motion sensor this week and I don't know where to put it

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It's smaller than I thought from the picture online

grim igloo
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I’ve been happy with the aqara door window sensors so far

sour shadow
grim igloo
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But I have hue bulbs all over the place as routers

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And I use zigbee groups for lights to minimize flooding the mesh

sour shadow
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I have mostly Xiaomi (mix of old 1.2 stuff and newer 3.0 stuff) with a good helping of Terncy, and almost entirely Innr for routers. It's been rock solid

grim igloo
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Innr is mostly eu right?

glossy narwhal
grim igloo
raw nest
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I've had a good experience with Innr so far

sour shadow
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Super cheap is usually Tuya

grim igloo
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They’re half the price

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$5 each in a 4 pack iirc

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I’ve been meaning to go stick one on the mailbox

#

I might need to 3d print an adapter tho

grizzled kettle
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If I want a smart switch to pair with Zigbee smart bulbs, is Inovelli Blue basically the only option? I have Zooz zwave switches in place which can probably work decent, but I'm guessing I'll eventually want direct association to cut down the switch to light latency. Also I would prefer to use a switch in smart bulb mode, and not wire the lights directly to hot, in case I have a need to cut the power.

grim igloo
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Direct association is called binding in zigbee land

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I looked into zigbee smart switches and landed on zooz zwave ones instead, but inovelli blue didn’t exist then

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They’re also $50 each and out of stock / back ordered for months and currently are having firmware issues flooding the zigbee mesh

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But that should be fixed with a firmware update

grizzled kettle
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Yeah I've noticed the price and stock issue. I'll probably keep the zooz for now, but zwave -> zwavejsui -> HA -> z2m -> bulbs is just a little too many parts that all need to be working, makes me a bit uncomfortable 🙂

grim igloo
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I use hue bulbs with zooz zen71/76 in smart bulb mode and use the multi tap scenes to do fun automations

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Word

haughty burrow
grim igloo
haughty burrow
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lol

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why

grim igloo
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First decide whether you want zha or z2m

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Then pick your coordinator such as the skyconnect for zha use or the sonoff p dongle for z2m use

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Or the tube PoE coordinator if you want to put it more centrally located

haughty burrow
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so, how does this thing work

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I was planning on flashing it with Tasmota

grim igloo
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As far as what motion sensors for zigbee, I use and highly suggest the overpriced hue ones at $40 each

haughty burrow
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hook it up to HA via MQTT

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but not sure how the sensor will communicate with the bridge

grim igloo
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They have built in temp and lux sensors too which are also accurate and retrigger on motion is 30 Seconds which is best in the industry for battery. They also have 3-5 year battery life

haughty burrow
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never used them

grim igloo
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Digublur has some great guides. Using a sonoff bridge isn’t one of them

haughty burrow
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Love tasmota

grim igloo
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Tasmota is esp devices over Wi-Fi we’re talking about zigbee here

haughty burrow
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I know, but don't you have to link the sonoff bridge with HA?

grim igloo
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No you don’t use the sonoff bridge period

haughty burrow
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lol

grim igloo
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You get a better coordinator as I said above

#

Are you not familiar with zha or z2m either?

haughty burrow
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nope

grizzled kettle
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For as many bulbs as Hue sells, how do they not make a decent zigbee light switch...

grim igloo
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If not, you should spend some time researching them

haughty burrow
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cool

grim igloo
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Then follow my advice above

grim igloo
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But their bridge is also a piece of shit so lol

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A $20 dongle can handle 200+ devices and their $50 bridge falls over with 50

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Insane

haughty burrow
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I just don't want to use some external site or app to make it work.

grim igloo
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Good, welcome to zigbee lol

haughty burrow
#

I can shutdown my whole network to my devices and still work

grim igloo
#

It’s very common to buy zigbee devices sold to be used with a proprietary hub such as hue and pair them to your own mesh with zha or z2m

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Well it’s very common here

mellow geode
haughty burrow
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So I guess ZHA is more popular and supports more devices.

grim igloo
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Nah

haughty burrow
#

so, what do you mean by a better coordinator?

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sorry, but new to the topic

grim igloo
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Coordinators have various chipsets used, most common / suggested these days are the ones used in either the sonoff p dongle or the new skyconnect dongle

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There’s info in the pinned comments here about it

haughty burrow
#

so, the sonoff p dongle will act as an access point to your zigbee devices?

grim igloo
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Zha has better support (currently) for the skyconnect chipset efr32 or whatever it’s called compared to experimental support with z2m. The older cc2652 used in the sonoff p dongle has a longer track record and is still widely supported by zha and z2m so it’s what myself and others still use

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The p dongle and other coordinators are what send and receive communication for the zigbee mesh and are controlled by zha or z2m yes

haughty burrow
#

so, that's all I need in addition to the sensor?

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sensors

grim igloo
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If you then go a step further and bind (for example) a light bulb to a switch, then even if home assistant is down the light switch will still control the bulb

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Nah

#

You need a zigbee mesh with routers / repeaters

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Not just end devices such as motion sensors which don’t repeat

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Well you can, you’re just gonna have a bad time

haughty burrow
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so, the sonoff p dongle is just a repeater?

grim igloo
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Rule of thumb is all mains powered devices should repeat but there are exceptions

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No bro you need to reread what i said above

haughty burrow
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lol

grim igloo
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I guess I should just make a video on this

haughty burrow
#

no

grim igloo
#

Been thinking about what to make the next one on

harsh zenith
#

Is there a specific recommend way to switch from one zigbee coordinator to a new one? I just received the SkyConnect in the mail today, and up until now have been using the Sonoff 3.0 dongle plus. Any guides or write-ups one can follow?

unreal sedge
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i don't think you can just swap it ou, you'd have to repair everything

haughty burrow
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learn the hard way

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It's all about the tinkering

grim igloo
haughty burrow
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I'm come back supercharged

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I'll

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let's me find out you're not a Philips hue salesman. lol jk

dusk jungle
#

hi yall, i updated z2m today but i cant get it to work somehow. z2m dashboard shows all correct data but my entities in HA arent showing anything. i think its a mqtt problem. any ideas?

sour shadow
#

Did you check HA's log for warnings or errors?

random shell
#

Hi, how should zigbee antenna look like?

rapid dawnBOT
#

@harsh zenith I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
sour shadow
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Are you using ZHA?

harsh zenith
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z2m. sorry, should have specified

sour shadow
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Then you should have an entity

carmine hamlet
#

that...is zwave

sour shadow
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Looks like you get lots of entities

carmine hamlet
#

oh, I see, trying to switch

sour shadow
harsh zenith
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yea, down_double looks to be what i need. but its not on the list of triggers in the dropdown when building an automation

sour shadow
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The UI will only list what HA has already seen

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You can enter the target state manually, or trigger the device and HA should update

harsh zenith
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ah, interesting. just did the latter, and that got it on the list. thanks!

harsh zenith
sour shadow
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The UI will only list what HA has already seen

harsh zenith
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so how do I get it to "see" an led effect detail? with the up/down button clicks, that was just a matter of pressing them manually on the device. that's not a method that will work in this case

sour shadow
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No idea

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I'm guessing that's one that's easier to do manually

harsh zenith
sharp birch
#

Any reason why some Zigbee lights are randomly creating and adding themselves to Zigbee Groups?

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I keep getting Groups with name "No name group 0x000#" showing up

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And the devices its randomly adding to these groups are not even listed in the same "areas"

Group: No name group 0x0005 has 2 of the Livingroom bulbs and 1 of the Kitchen Bulbs

Another group; 1 livingroom, 1 kitchen, 1 office bulb

wispy plume
#

Hi! I have installed HASS and was planning on installing Zigbee2mqtt too, but I have just found out there's a Zigbee Home Automation integration which allows me to add my coordinator directly. I understand I will not have the fancy frontend of Z2M, but are there any downsides of just using this integration? Or are they somehow not exclusive and complementary?

unborn orbit
#

Anyone know of adjusting the transition time for light bulbs for a binding command from a switch?

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I've tried to adjust settings(specific) for transition but doesn't seem to make any difference

unborn orbit
unborn orbit
sharp birch
unborn orbit
grim igloo
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two sticks could use two drivers

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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but yea i agree with your logic

unborn orbit
#

lets not make things more complicated than needed though for someone just starting

sharp birch
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as ZHA does not have the same control/options for some devices

verbal wren
#

anybody using Ikea's Stoftmoln?

Cant seem to pair it to ZHA and a Ikea remote at the same time. Regular bulbs from Ikea can do this 😭

tiny timber
#

Hey all, my Zigbee network has been fairly rock solid after migrating to a new channel, but I'm having real issues with a single Hue motion sensor (SML001). Pairing it works fine, but it immediately stops reporting state after it's been connected. Does anyone know of anything that I can do to fix this? I have two other Hue motion sensors (same generation/firmware) which are working totally fine.

grim igloo
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For fun can you swap its spot with one of the other working ones?

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Rule out interference and single out the device

wispy plume
solid inlet
solid inlet
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from the gui: ```
Installed version: 16784906
Latest version: 16784918

Apparently `16784906` equals `1.101.7`, but is there a way of translating the new version to a HUE version number?
stable dew
#

I have a similar question. HA tells me there is an update to 1.101.8 for my hue bulbs, however if I go to OTA tab of zigbee2mqtt interface it tells me there are no updates. If I initiate the update via HA, it successfully updates which leads me to my question. Is it HA or Z2M that checks the internet for an update and downloads it?

native kiln
#

I need some help, all my ikea lightbulbs have dropped off-line, im using zigbee2mqtt.
my zigbee2mqtt log is here: https://github.com/thedutch-no/z2mqtt-problems

the error is see is:
Failed to ping 'Livingroom - Ceiling 1' (attempt 1/1, Read 0x84fd27fffea17503/1 genBasic(["zclVersion"], {"sendWhen":"immediate","timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":true,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Data request failed with error: 'MAC channel access failure' (225)))

This is not the first time it happend, the last time i removed all the bulbs from z2mqtt and re-paired them.
I would like to not have to do this again if i can.

Edit: removed and re-paired the light bulbs, they all are working again

solid inlet
#

Same happens to me sometimes, then it helps to just restart the zigbee coordinator

native kiln
solid inlet
#

oh, sorry to hear that. That is pretty much what I would've done too. Hope someone can help you find the cause

cold viper
wet oyster
#

Hi, I recently bought 2 Aqara door & window sensors, but one of them is losing connectivity, already twice within a few days. Is this a common problem with zigbee devices or is it a faulty item I should return?

sour shadow
#

There's a pinned message about it, in part, the other thing is that you should always pick a router to pair them through to avoid them picking the first device they hear from

wet oyster
sour shadow
#

Some of this isn't well documented, sadly

wide mortar
native kiln
cold viper
wide mortar
vital ermine
#

I have a CC2652P2 stick and when i back up the ZHA config, down below it tells me some info about zstack and the date 20210320.

Any Benefits of upgrading the firmware? And can i keep all settings and pairings?

sour shadow
#

Newer firmware performs better and fixes bugs

#

And yes, you'll lose nothing

solid inlet
hollow chasm
solid inlet
#

So there is an update, or seems to be, but Philips have not written anything about it (yet?)

hollow chasm
#

When you press update, what happens?

solid inlet
#

Don't know. I want to know what I will update, hence the question

sour shadow
#

Generally updating Zigbee firmware is a roll of the dice - only do it if you're suffering from a problem the firmware will fix

#

The firmware is written for their ecosystem, not ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, it's not uncommon for newer firmware to cause problems

solid inlet
#

Exactly. So my question was if there is some other place they will publish what it includes...?

sour shadow
#

Rarely

solid inlet
#

Ok. Will sit this one out then. Is there any way of "translating" the Z2M version string into something similar to what HUE shows, ie 1.101.7 for example?

lilac wharf
#

Philips and IKEA are good at publishing firmware changelings

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Changelogs 🤣

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Leaving the typo because that's hilarious

solid inlet
#

Agree, they usually show what they make available. Since weekend still, maybe it will be sorted during the week 🙂

desert cloak
#

Finally upgraded my slaesh stick to a newer firmware after also upgrading my HA core installation to a new machine. However, now it seems that old devices are available but cannot pair new ones at all on z2m. Nothing is happening and join is permitted, any ideas? Is the 20220219 still the newest FW?

weak burrow
#

Hi guys, is it possible, that zigbee router dongle (Sonoff dongle P) only connects to coordinator and not to other routers like smart socket ? I have the sonoff router on my roof, where I have really good signal, but the "availability" in Z2M shows Offline, as soon as I take it down from the roof, close to the coordinator, it connects. I have a zigbee socket few meters from the router, but does not connect to the network at all at the roof.

sour shadow
#

Have you tried forcing it to pair through that socket?

weak burrow
#

I have tried pairing it normally, with the Permit join(all)

sour shadow
#

That means it picks how it initially connects

weak burrow
sour shadow
#

Well, the router will pick how it stays connected

#

If you want to try to force it to use the router socket, force it to join through it and see what happens

weak burrow
#

Ok, I will try, thanks

tiny timber
#

Trying to pair a Ikea 5 button remote. Interview starts, but it never actually completes the join. Using Skyconnect/ZHA. Anything I can do to fix this?

hollow chasm
#

How are you trying to pair it?

tiny timber
#

Add Devices -> Hit the button on the back 4 times til it starts flashing.

hollow chasm
#

I had problems getting my STYRBAR to pair doing 4 presses, but the Z2M docs recommended 10 which worked

tiny timber
#

Interesting. Will give it a go.

hollow chasm
#

It was odd because the first time I paired it, 4 worked, but when I changed my encryption key and re-paired, I had to do it 10 times

#

I believe it had the same symptom you had where it would look like it was starting to pair and then just vanished

tiny timber
#

Good to know. This was previously paired to a different network on a different channel, so that might be what's going on.

grim igloo
#

so general consensus is dont update to latest fw on hue bulbs in z2m since it isnt even mentioned on hue's site or?

sour shadow
#

Don't upgrade Zigbee devices unless you're fixing a bug the firmware addresses

#

Probably you'll be fine if you do, but there's plenty of cases where that's not been the case, particularly with Tradfri

grim igloo
#

in general i agree with that logic but going back years on the hue updates they seem to address pretty useful fixes

rapid dawnBOT
#

@royal dune I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
fossil loom
#

hi guys, not sure if it's the right place but, I have bought aqara wireless mini switch (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/WXKG11LM.html) and I have set up that if a person clicks on it some action has been made. however, it detects a click when no one is even near the device.
How can I fix this thing?

hollow chasm
#

Sounds defective

#

I had something similar happening with a wifi smart plug. The traces on the board were acting as an antenna and picking up radio interference and triggering the switch

fossil loom
#

What you had to do to fix it? or you threw away the device

#

In the meantime I have set an automation to turn off the light (the mini switch is turning on the light) after 3 minutes if it's ON

hollow chasm
#

Contacted the seller, waited a while for them to get a new hardware revision, and they sent me replacements. No idea if it's a similar problem for you, but it sounds similar at least

fossil loom
#

You had to send back the device to them? before getting a replacement?

hollow chasm
#

They didn't want them back, but that would obviously depend entirely on where you bought them from

fossil loom
mellow geode
mellow geode
mellow geode
glossy lintel
#

hey guys 🙂

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anyone here has GOOD sensors to recommend ?

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my sonoff ones keeps disconnecting, I have no clue how to make them available again in Z2M than pairing them again...

#

not nice when it comes to door sensors (security wise, it fails...)

tulip patrol
#

did they work at all?

glossy lintel
#

well, yes, they all did work

tulip patrol
#

for how long?

glossy lintel
#

a few days I'd say ?

#

for now, 1 have one of y temp sensors that disconnected :

#

and two of my door sensors (total of 3)

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...

tulip patrol
#

I had issues with the supplied batteries in my sonoff sensors, but that may not be your issue

#

all of them have dropped off?

glossy lintel
#

well, it might be, I also noticed that some of them were simply NOT powered anymore with the included batteries

tulip patrol
#

you could get at least 1 new battery and test I guess

glossy lintel
#

yes, I have a pack of new batteries, but they are pretty old (bought them a few years ago on amazon), I'll look into buying some extra ones

#

this is a good point

hard trench
#

Hey everyone. Did anyone manage to connect the Aquara T1 Pro Cube to deconz? When I try the cube is not recognized. I found a closed Issue on GitHub about that topic but I didn't find the cube anywhere in the changelogs so I don't know if it's even supported.

glossy lintel
#

thanks gambl0r for the advice by the way 😉

sour shadow
tulip patrol
#

no worries, it's somewhere to start

glossy finch
#

Much better now

cerulean thorn
#

The weird thing is I had just issues with aqara, and no issues with sonoff. Bought proper batteries, and lifted the battery connection probes that’s too loose. Not one has fallen off the network, failed or had high battery consumption

gentle island
# glossy narwhal Hello, Zigbee noob here. Up until now I've been using a few Ikea Tradfri bulbs t...

I gave up on Skyconnect because of this exact issue. I migrated from ZHA (using Raspbee II installed in the GPIO of an Rpi 4). The migration went OK, with most of my devices connected fine, but then I simply could not get new devices to pair. I added a longer USB extension to no effect. I did get one Aqara sensor to pair by holding it right next to the skyconnect, but that was it. I went back to my Raspbee II and have no issues pairing from anywhere in my house. I'm having trouble accepting that this is interference, if the Raspbee II, installed on the Rpi board, is able to work fine.

floral plinth
#

If a device with power time's out and becomes unavailable in ZHA/HA is there a way to force a reconnect without a power cycle?

austere patio
#

The default for mains devices is two hours. If it's not sending any data back and and ZHA's continuous attempts to reach it fail, it's effectively offline.

floral plinth
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Does it continue to reach out and try or just abandon?

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ZHA that is, at the 2 hours

#

I went back to ZNP and the ZBDongle-P as it is def the most performant. I just still have devices go offline after a couple days. Seems to always be different ones.

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So I quit keeping all the smart bulbs powered all the time via smart switches. Now the switch gives power to the lights as a power cycle but I can't do that everywhere

austere patio
#

I think something is broken with your network if you need to reboot smart bulbs constantly, after having tried multiple coordinators

floral plinth
#

I mean what could it be? Just a rogue device?

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I am not sure how to figure it out

mellow geode
#

What devices are constantly dropping offline (not responding)?

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Mains-powered devices only or do some sensors also stop sending updates at some point? Are the devices all from a particular manufacturer (or the same model)? Also, what Z-Stack firmware version are you running?

floral plinth
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Its only Sengled smart bulbs

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The router devices all seem to be fine

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Sengled Floods, Candelabra's, and some standard bulbs

mellow geode
floral plinth
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I am using the latest, 20220219

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I have it as a coordinator and another as a router

mellow geode
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There's also a new router firmware: 20221102

floral plinth
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Interesting

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Didn't know there was that one but will absolutely try

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This did seem to be an issue with the ZBDongle-P stick. My old hubszb-1 didn't drop them

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I'll flash both now. Do I need to migrate the radio in ZHA or would that just work?

austere patio
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You don't need to flash the router firmware if you aren't running any custom routers (i.e USB sticks flashed with router firmware)

floral plinth
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I am running another zbdongle-p with the router firmware

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Just not sure about the migration. Can I just flash and plug back in or do I need to migrate?

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For the coordinator

austere patio
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A backup will be auto-restored so you're fine just flashing

floral plinth
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Cool, thanks,

grim igloo
floral plinth
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Weird, the router won't flash

mellow geode
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Are you using the cc2538-bsl python script or some UI flasher (like Uniflash)?

floral plinth
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The TI one

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Coordinator was fine. Router says error 3

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Like its a bad file or something

mellow geode
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Yeah, it's a known issue on TI's side, as the router firmware uses a newer SimpleLink SDK than the coordinator firmware at the moment (and that changed some stuff). Use the cc2538-bsl tool.

floral plinth
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Do you have the cmdline args for it? Not sure the best way to do it

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I have it attached in bootloader mode

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just ewv?

grim igloo
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@mellow geode do you know if there's a way to queue updates in z2m instead of clicking on them one by one?

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seems they start immediately if i do that and then slow down the mesh cuz of the traffic

floral plinth
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Thanks, that flashed.

mellow geode
grim igloo
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i've been bridge free for months so i forgot the workflow on that

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there's also no gui feedback in hass when you click the install button on a zigbee light exposed to it with z2m. it just lets you click the button then eventually the device disappears from the update list lol

floral plinth
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So after I flash the router firmware on the ZBDongle-P how do I get it to repair?

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The buttons don't seem to do anything

robust forum
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Can I just replace the Sonoff Zigbee USB dongle with another one and all the existing pairings will stay the same? (Running Zigbee2MQTT on a raspberry pi). I.e. are the pairings and settings stored on the dongle or on the ZigbeeMQTT server?

austere patio
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Both, but depending on the combination Z2M should handle it. Why are you replacing one with an identical one?

sour shadow
robust forum
austere patio
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Takes like 15s either way. You'll have to redo your device mappings though if you're swapping physical adapters, since the serial port is tied to its serial number

glossy narwhal
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Anyone got a UK supplier (or someone with stock who ships to the UK) for the Aqara door sensors. Looks like the E1 (Zigbee 3) ones are the ones to have, but I can't find any.

sour shadow
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I never found a UK source

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Even Ali is hard to find them on, though I found a source the other day when somebody else failed their search-fu

grim igloo
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Alie shops don’t all ship to the uk after brexit or?

raven jewel
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Most of them do

sour shadow
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I bought mine from Ali

hollow chasm
sour shadow
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Yup

grim igloo
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Seems high on the price right now though

sour shadow
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The E1 does cost more than the old model

grim igloo
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I’m not sure the conversion but I bought 4 for $20 shipped in December

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Oh maybe I’m thinking of the old model then

hollow chasm
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The old model of the motion sensors is a lot cheaper than the new P1 as well

grim igloo
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what's the main difference here?

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seems both old gen and new are zigbee 3.0

sour shadow
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Nah, the old stuff is 1.2

grim igloo
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oh

sour shadow
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Only the E1/T1/P1 stuff is 3.0 (and some of the Mijia stuff)

grim igloo
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didnt realize that i guess i've been buying the wrong ones for the past 6 months :x

hollow chasm
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The E1 says it has anti-aging material, so you might live longer 🤔

grim igloo
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do you know if they're identical in size?

sour shadow
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They are

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So identical you can swap the new model onto the old base

grim igloo
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cool

sour shadow
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I swapped a couple out that way

grim igloo
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you can take the magnet out of the plastic and put it into another case / 3d printed design or whatever right?

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i want to use one for my mailbox

sour shadow
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That too

hollow chasm
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Is Zigbee 3.0 the only difference for the door sensor? The motion sensor added several new features on top of going to 3.0

sour shadow
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Largely, yes

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No internal temperature sensor

grim igloo
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zigbee 3.0 means they should pair better and gain new routes quicker and such right?

sour shadow
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And they do

grim igloo
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well now i know to suggest the new gen ones only heh.. better late than never

sour shadow
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I paired one for the garden gate, and it's worked through the worst the winter has thrown at us so far

glossy narwhal
grim igloo
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interesting

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didnt think about using them for gates

sour shadow
mellow geode
grim igloo
floral plinth
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Do 1.2 devices even get new routes?

sour shadow
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The other door/window sensors I like are the Terncy DC-01 units. Slightly more pricy, almost as hard to find, but smaller and well designed

sour shadow
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If they are ... maybe

hollow chasm
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A 3 pack of the E1 door sensors on AliExpress is actually $7 cheaper than a 3 pack of the older model on Amazon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

sour shadow
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That's just a sign of how much Amazon rips is all off 😄

hollow chasm
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If you don't care about the Zigbee 3.0 though, you can get a 10 pack of the old ones for $80 which is way cheaper per-unit

grim igloo
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the worst part is doing a search for a device you want and old and new versions mixed in with no obvious differences unless you scroll down and hopefully see tech specs (on amazon)

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i.e. hue bulbs

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btw would it make sense to have another discord category separating bluetooth/matter/thread/zigbee/zwave now?

sour shadow
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RF Protocols you love to hate?

grim igloo
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everything 2.4ghz... and zwave

sour shadow
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And 433 😛

grim igloo
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smh my head no 433 channel

strange ibex
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433, 915, 868, 315

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where are they!?!

grim igloo
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maybe it's better we dont try to attract the ham guys

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what about "RF++...+"

glossy narwhal
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It's interesting how this stuff has evolved. Cough years ago I participated in several of the early Zigbee standards meetings and that time Zwave already had it all working whilst all of the chip manufacturers were jostling for position.

grim igloo
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#hululogic

glossy narwhal
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I was amazed when I visited Zwave the first time in Copenhagen.

sour shadow
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Though, to be fair, Z-Wave pre Z-Wave Plus was ... not great

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The newer stuff, particularly Z-Wave Long Range, that's pretty damn impressive

grim igloo
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well 700 series is just now getting decent adoption and firmware in a good place for a lot of devices and 800 series is already starting to show up

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and i dont think zwave js supports long range anyways so not too useful for us lol

grim igloo
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Wow just put the old gen aqara sensor on my mailbox and sure enough it gets a signal

sharp birch
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Is there any limitation in using a Zigbee Group over a Helper Group? Will the Zigbee Group be accessible in all other areas of HA, that a Helper Group would? (automations, scenes, etc)

grim igloo
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zigbee groups send a multicast across the mesh to change brightness or whatever. helper lightgroups send unicast to each individual device which can cause things not to "sync" properly (such as lights in a room not all turning on at one time)

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you can use zigbee groups in lightgroups if necessary along with non zigbee devices

sharp birch
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I don't what each of them do.. I'm asking about their usage within Home Assistant

grim igloo
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what

sour shadow
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The answer is that a helper group is inferior to a Zigbee group, usually

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Use a Zigbee group, not a helper

sharp birch
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Okay, I'll try it. I thought I had tried before, but then the Zigbee group wasn't showing up for an automation.. but I can't remember now 😕

sour shadow
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Then probably you were looking at device triggers/conditions/actions

sharp birch
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If you put, for example, 4 bulbs in a Zigbee Group.. can you still control them individually, as long as you don't call (act upon) that Zigbee Group?

sour shadow
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Yes

sharp birch
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Like if I tell bulb 1 to turn on, and since its in a Zigbee Group, it won't turn on the 3 other bulbs

sour shadow
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No

sharp birch
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Thanks

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(seems reactions are disable, I tried to thumb up your "Yes")

grim igloo
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That’s because you’ve previously been blocked I think smile

sharp birch
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Blocked from using Reactions?

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I don't see how so. I only signed up for Discord to join this chat a few weeks ago. I don't use it anywhere else 🤷‍♂️

harsh sleet
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Hi, getting closer to getting started with zigbee'n'homeassistant ant wanted to make sure I'm not on the wrong road:
Zigbee for light control (spots with dimmer and maybe wled strips) and roller shutters, gira buttons.
Some troubles in sight or easy going?

small ginkgo
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something interesting just happened, I'm trying to pair a h1 double rocker wireless remote to my HA with a deconz usb, I've got a few of these and never had problems with pairing. Now pairing this one, and as soon as it pairs, any button that I press on it will toggle all other zigbee devices on/off

waxen lynx
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hi all, what LQI value for link quality should I aim for to get reliable readings and for switches/controllers have them work fast and reliable enough?

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I guess that a lower link quality for my humidity sensor in the basement doesn't matter that much (LQI 110 or so)

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It's updating and receiving what I need

sour shadow
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Above zero

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I have devices with LQIs from low single digits up to around 200, all work quickly and reliably

waxen lynx
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but in my son's room I also put a TVOC sensor and only getting 65 now when his door is closed etc. And I noticed with the aqara cube I'm not registering all events when I use it there

sour shadow
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That's more likely to be local interference (WiFi, USB 3, etc)

waxen lynx
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(some smart plugs on the way to build a mesh network, that will hopefully resolve the issue)

sour shadow
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Certainly that's going to help

waxen lynx
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ordered my second cube already btw 🙂

dusky hatch
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Is this the best channel to discuss dev stuff for the zha component, or is there a devs_* channel that is more suitable?
I am trying to finish off the ME167 quirk (https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/1818) so I can submit it for inclusion in the quirks repo. The device has a child lock, which is exposed as an on/off switch. The naming in the interface is just 'switch', and several people in the forum have already got confused wondering what it actually is.
So I went hunting in the zha component to see how to influence the name, but it appears that the only way to do that for a switch is to add an override based on manufacturer, model or channel name that's specific to the device. (https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/83233) So I could certainly do that, but that means the device has to be maintained in two places, with all the problems that brings with it.
Given that the quirk contains all the mapping logic, and provides a child_lock attribute, it would be nicer if the quirk could provide enough information in some way for the interface to show that this is a child lock without having to have device-specific definitions in the zha component, right?
Or am I the only one thinking like this?

floral plinth
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Some things still go offline and a lot of devices show up again in the add device setup

austere patio
# dusky hatch Is this the best channel to discuss dev stuff for the zha component, or is there...

it would be nicer if the quirk could provide enough information in some way for the interface to show that this is a child lock without having to have device-specific definitions in the zha component, right?

It's a known limitation of the current implementation of quirks + ZHA, unfortunately. In theory most of the UI logic can be moved into quirks (or another project?) but nobody has done this yet.

limpid fulcrum
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I picked up the ConBee2 because it was my first integration, and I figured it was the easiest.

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Right now, the only connected device I have is a lightbulb about 2m from the ConBee. But now I want to connect my entire house.

grim igloo
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Is your usb stick on a usb extension cable?

limpid fulcrum
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It is not, I had thought about that.

grim igloo
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Conbee is the worst with interference issues from usb 3

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The conbee is also the least suggested coordinator

limpid fulcrum
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I also want to reach my barn, which is 150m from my house, and quite large.

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@grim igloo what would you recommend? Preferably something I can "infinitely" extend with repeaters.

grim igloo
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For extending your mesh most people use bulbs and or light switches

limpid fulcrum
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Oh, interesting.

grim igloo
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There’s no infinitely though

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All coordinators have a limit

limpid fulcrum
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Yeah, the big problem is going to be getting the barn connected.

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It's on the other side of the property. > 100m away.

grim igloo
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Err technically it’s the stack

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You can get a PoE coordinator and connect it to hass over lan

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So last hop from zigbee mesh to hass is over lan

limpid fulcrum
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Aha, that's how I get to the barn. Nice.

grim igloo
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The tube PoE coordinator is the bestseller and most recommended here

limpid fulcrum
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I'm not even sure if Zigbee is the right thing for what I wanted: I read that it's better than z-wave and the devices I wanted had ZigBee support.

grim igloo
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Ya I assumed you knew what you needed. What’s the use case?

limpid fulcrum
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The use case is: I have a 4 bedroom house, and I intend to connect everything to it. Eventually replacing my fuse panel with a connected breaker box when we put our new garage on in 18mos or so.

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But the constraint is: I'd rather stick to one protocol, or as few as possible.

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I just learned about the Shelly stuff, which looks great. But it's WiFi, and I have a mental block against doing stuff with wifi devices. But that's probably just me.

grim igloo
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Are you already familiar with home assistant and integrations and such?

limpid fulcrum
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More or less, yes.

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I'm still new to it.

grim igloo
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There’s more than one way to tackle this

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Let’s jump to #hardware-archived then bounce back if needed.. sorry to keep bouncing channels but that’s how they want it done here

limpid fulcrum
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Thanks!

unborn orbit
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Anyone else run into the problem with groups where the group of lights and switch are off but are reported as on in home assistant? It keeps making adaptive lighting turn the lights on randomly. Any thoughts on how to address this?

austere patio
unborn orbit
austere patio
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Z2M I believe assumes group commands work

unborn orbit
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Does ZHA handle things differently?

wild falcon
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i got a TRADFRI on/off switch and paired it with home assistant
i only get battery and an identify entity.
resetting the switch or restarting everything dosnt seem too help
what did i do wrong?

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i use Zigbee Home Automation

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lamps and outlets work from ikea

lilac wharf
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ZHA doesn't expose an entity for button presses; it creates events (zha_event)

wild falcon
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so how do i use these

lilac wharf
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Event triggers if you're creating automations in YAML or Device triggers if you're using the UI

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Or event triggers too if using the UI

wild falcon
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found it

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but

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its not working 💀💀💀

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the automation dosnt get trigert

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i tried it like this

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if i fire it manually it works

trail gorge
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Hey, I have an aqara wall swtich single rocker no neutral (aqara ctrl_neutral quirk, model is lumi.switch.b1lacn02)

Whenever I restart HA the relay gets turned off, I am not sure why this happens or how I would be able to change it. The weird thing is in HA it shows that it is still on

proper oasis
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What's the reasoning folk use for picking either ZHA or Zigbee2mqtt?

sour shadow
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Personal preference

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Some people like having it all in one, some like having it separate

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Some people like that ZHA supports any standards compliant device, ||all three of them||, others like Z2M having a list so they know what works

proper oasis
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Thanks, seems pretty inconsequential

fleet raptor
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I am using remote homeassist to pass data from one instance to another. The issue I am running into is that Zigbee controlled devices like the Innr smart plug that are running on the remote instance cannot be turned on and off from the button in the main instance. It says the call is not their.

sour shadow
fleet raptor
sour shadow
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I'd check the Remote HA integration options, that's going to be the obvious place to look

fleet raptor
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Nothing in there. Still looking around

fleet raptor
sour shadow
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- host: 10.0.0.2 is the other computer running Remote HA...

fleet raptor
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So it is the ip of the remote instance?

worthy saddle
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hello all, I have a zigbee switch which I hooked up to my home assistant using zigbee2mqtt. However the state exposed is only "on/off". I was wondering if there's anything I can do to automate something, for example I do a long press on the physical switch?

strange ibex
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Does the state flash ON or does it stay ON for the duration that you hold it?

fleet raptor
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Thankyou

strange ibex
sour shadow
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Switches are typically only on or off...

strange ibex
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yeah, I have like the IKEA "switch" which is two buttons

worthy saddle
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my intention was to increase the brightness when i do a long press etc

strange ibex
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they probably don't call it a switch, just me lol

sour shadow
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Heck, what is it? Got a link to the Z2M device page?

strange ibex
worthy saddle
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can't post image here

sour shadow
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Yeah, it's blocked because people post images of text otherwise

worthy saddle
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Description
2 gang switch

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its a 2 gang switch under the Z2M description

sour shadow
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Link us to the page...

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You know, the one you find on the Z2M site

worthy saddle
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1 second

sour shadow
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Ok, that says that it doesn't support hold/press

worthy saddle
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where do you see that

hollow chasm
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The fact that it only exposes on and off

sour shadow
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Wrong question 😉

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The question is... do you see it say anything about hold or press

worthy saddle
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hahaha

floral plinth
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@mellow geode or @austere patio Any other ideas I can try to debug my crazy network? I am currently repairing all the lights that went offline via the closest router to them.

worthy saddle
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if i remember correctly, i did an external converters for this switch. so lets say if i hook it up to a model that does have hold/press for example

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technically it will work if its supported right?

sour shadow
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Should, yes

strange ibex
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I am not really sure what you're asking because the answer seems a bit too obvious but just to clarify... 🙂 If you use a switch that supports hold then it will work with hold.

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How long ago did you set this up, by the way? I was in converter file the other day and this switch was in there fine.

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Well I need more coffee. I guess that is a bit obvious as it is on the website.

worthy saddle
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about a week or so before

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let me search for a model that has hold/press and give it a try

proven vector
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Hi everyone! 🙂 I have missed bunch of updates, as I had other stuff to do. Now have updated my HA to the latest version (it's docker container). And my zig-bee stick is not working anymore. It's from slae.sh . As I understood on latest HA versions should automatically discover my zig-bee stick? And I don't need any additional setup in my docker-compose.yaml. So I have commented out those lines, and now getting bunch of errors:

2023-01-24 18:18:08.414 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator (attempt 1 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 174, in async_initialize
2023-01-24 18:18:12.256 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator (attempt 2 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 174, in async_initialize
2023-01-24 18:18:16.904 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator (attempt 3 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 174, in async_initialize
2023-01-24 18:18:16.908 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.config_entries] Error setting up entry slae.sh cc2652rb stick - slaesh's iot stuff - slae.sh cc2652rb stick - slaesh's iot stuff, s/n: 00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70 - Silicon Labs for zha
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/init.py", line 111, in async_setup_entry
await zha_gateway.async_initialize()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 189, in async_initialize
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 174, in async_initialize

Any hints / directions you can give me to dig up onto the problem?

worthy saddle
strange ibex
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o.O

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We meant switch hardware not software, lol

austere patio
proven vector
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@austere patio
2023-01-24 18:42:21.690 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.config_entries] Error setting up entry slae.sh cc2652rb stick - slaesh's iot stuff - slae.sh cc2652rb stick - slaesh's iot stuff, s/n: 00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70 - Silicon Labs for zha

austere patio
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I meant the traceback you posted

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It contains only lines that have the text zha in them, which excludes everything useful

proven vector
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ahh full log - sec

rapid dawnBOT
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@proven vector I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
strange ibex
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FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/ttyUSB0'

molten linden
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if using docker you still need to pass through the serial device

strange ibex
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" As I understood on latest HA versions should automatically discover my zig-bee stick? And I don't need any additional setup in my docker-compose.yaml. So I have commented out those lines, and now getting bunch of errors:" You still need to pass the device through but no longer have to specify it on the integration side

sour shadow
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That's only if you're using privileged mode for the container

proven vector
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So I just need to uncomment these lines:

devices:

- /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick_-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0:/dev/ttyUSB0

strange ibex
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Yeah, you commented that out just a bit ago, right?

proven vector
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yeah yesterday - after updates

strange ibex
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yeah, that should fix it for you

main smelt
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Zigbee direct looks cool. Would be even better if it was by-directional to add BLE devices to a zigbee mesh. Would solve a lot of my problems

rapid dawnBOT
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@proven vector I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
proven vector
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Still the same error 😦 but old integration doesn't work too?

strange ibex
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Have you changed the port of your device? Does /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rbstick-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0 still appear in your host?

proven vector
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no I didn't changed anything. Just commented yesterday and uncommented today:

  • /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick_-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0:/dev/ttyUSB0
strange ibex
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do ls -l /sys/bus/usb-serial/devices on the host

proven vector
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ohhh usb port you mean? It may be different

floral plinth
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This is new

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zigpy.exceptions.FormationFailure: Network formation refused: there is too much RF interference. Make sure your coordinator is on a USB 2.0 extension cable and away from any sources of interference, like USB 3.0 ports, SSDs, 2.4GHz routers, motherboards, etc.

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Is that common?

sour shadow
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Common enough to be worth a dedicated message 😉

proven vector
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yes I'm using usb extension because of that

sour shadow
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(and a pinned message or few here)

floral plinth
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lol

sour shadow
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(and called out in many pieces of docs)

floral plinth
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I am on a USB extension cable though

strange ibex
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one of the first things we always ask for when dealing with zigbee network issues

proven vector
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@strange ibex
ls -l /sys/bus/usb-serial/devices
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jan 24 19:14 ttyUSB0 -> ../../../devices/platform/scb/fd500000.pcie/pci0000:00/0000:00:00.0/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/ttyUSB0

strange ibex
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Are you near a bunch of things that can cause interference, yeti?

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-bunch

floral plinth
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I could be

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I am trying to keep it in the center of the house

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There is a TV close by what I cna't get to stop broadcasting wifi direct on channel 6

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But my network is on 25

strange ibex
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what is your zigbee network on?

floral plinth
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25

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Zigbee 25

strange ibex
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sorry, wifi

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2.4ghz

floral plinth
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1 and 6

strange ibex
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you have two zigbee networks?

floral plinth
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No, one zigbee network on 25

strange ibex
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I am dumb

floral plinth
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Then a bunch of Unifi AP's on 1 and 6 for 2.4 GHz

strange ibex
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wifi, I mean

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I can not type correctly right now.

floral plinth
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I guess I can just move my coordinator somewhere else and see what happens

strange ibex
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@proven vector sorry, do ls -l /dev/serial/by-id

proven vector
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@strange ibex ls -l /dev/serial/by-id
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 24 18:17 usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick_-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB0

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sorry I don't how to wrap with black background in discord 🙂

strange ibex
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it's fine. it's two backticks wrapping for an inline and three backticks for an embed type text

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okay, seems the same as above, yeah?

proven vector
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actually no, don't know why but they have slight differences in underscores and minus

strange ibex
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ahhh

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o.O

proven vector
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''"/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick_-slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0:/dev/ttyUSB0''" in compose
vs
""usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_22_98_A8_70-if00-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB0""

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no same

fleet raptor
austere patio
proven vector
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but it's not... or the integration - Zigbee Home Automation is not working anymore

austere patio
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The error message you posted above doesn't match the Docker compose definition

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Since /dev/ttyUSB0 should exist

rapid dawnBOT
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@proven vector I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
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@proven vector I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
proven vector
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I even rebooted my PI completely - still same error

austere patio
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And you uncommented that part of your Docker compose config?

proven vector
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yes

austere patio
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100% sure?

rapid dawnBOT
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@proven vector I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
proven vector
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Indentation for yaml is also correct

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btw - I never used zigbee2mqtt. Just usual HA Zigbee integration

austere patio
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Hmm, I'm not sure. The error message is coming from the operating system, since /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't exist inside of the container even though you mapped the device

proven vector
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Tinkerer said something about privileged mode:
Tinkerer — Today at 7:01 PM
That's only if you're using privileged mode for the container

Not sure what it means

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uff yeah some nifty bug or something... And I'm out of my lights xD

strange ibex
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He was saying you won't have to config anything if you give your container privileged mode. That gives your container full access to your host's devices.

floral plinth
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So I just moved my coordinator to a place where there should be very limited interference. How long does it usually take to recompute routes?

proven vector
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Okay I'm off for today - will try to debug / dig deeper tomorrow. Maybe re-configuring from scratch will help or something like that 🥹 the worst case scenario is - it should work, but it's not...

waxen lynx
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from 0 to 6 zigbee devices in a week. things running on z2m and just received my second magic cube to play around with 🙂

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but got a question about building a mesh network. just added 2 Aqara smart plugs, but I would expect my TVOC sensor to connect through one of the plugs, but it appears it still connects to my sonoff dongle like before the plugs where there.

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do I need to trigger something or repair devices or will it eventually route things through the smart plugs to get better coverage/link quality?

sour shadow
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Depends on the devices, Xiaomi's Zigbee 1.2 end devices probably won't. Zigbee 3.0 end devices should, others will vary

waxen lynx
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hmm to be honest didn't look into that and assumed it would all form a decent mesh network automagically

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it's mainly for controlling my cube since upstairs link quality is suboptimal and actions don't always register

grim igloo
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easy fix.. just spend more money lol

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expand that mesh

sour shadow
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You can force devices to re-pair via your chosen router

waxen lynx
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devices should all be zigbee 3.0 from what I can see

waxen lynx
sour shadow
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Pick the option to pair via a router

waxen lynx
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no idea yet where to find that. do you mean in Z2M under the "bind" stuff I need to configure source endpoints etc?

sour shadow
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In Z2M

grim igloo
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Ya that

sour shadow
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There's a carefully hidden dropdown there

grim igloo
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Yea it’s a weird ux choice

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It makes sense once you use it but until then it’s sneaky beaky

sour shadow
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I mean, it is, but I'd also say that it's pretty obvious... but maybe I've spent too long with too many different UIs

waxen lynx
grim igloo
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I have an old ipmi gui on an ancient gigabyte haswell mobo that has ‘lan channels’ hidden by a similar arrow and the choices are 1 or 8. I switched to 8 and found my gateway ip written there from previous owners. So arp broadcast storm on my lan until I found that.. fun times

strange ibex
waxen lynx
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ok repairing worked and allowed it only to use that router device

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but I noticed my other cube automatically changed its route too, and didn't repair that one

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so that's good

lilac wharf
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It's not saying it's only allowed to connect to that router; it's just only allowing pairing to happen via that router. The device could always switch routes if it wanted to

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But maybe I just misunderstood what you were saying

carmine hamlet
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It's just that some don't, and are sticky to whatever they were paired with. I have a similar issue with some dumb WiFi devices repeatedly connecting to worst AP in my mesh they can find until I reboot them

lilac wharf
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Yeah, I know that older Aqara stuff is notorious for that

strange ibex
mighty river
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hi guy, i struggle to start z2m,i use rp4,HASSio and the sonoff dongle zigbee 3.0,i add the log

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i can't add nothing here,like the log file

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weird

sour shadow
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You can't upload images, because images of text are horrible

mighty river
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how i add the log?

sour shadow
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Did ... you not see my reply?

rapid dawnBOT
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@mighty river I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt