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austere patio
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Those comments were very misinformed 😆

sour shadow
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"Golden" ... iron pyrites maybe

austere patio
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Can you enable ZHA debug logging and download a log?

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Specifically a log where you try to control a device and it fails

hollow chasm
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How long ago did you buy it? Maybe you can just return it and save yourself the headache

sand wedge
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Enabled logging, tried switch - where to download?

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I may end up doing that. Just got it today in the mail

austere patio
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How did you enable debug logging? If you did it from the frontend, just disable it the way you enabled it and it'll download a file

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If you did it from the configuration.yaml file, it will be saved as /config/home-assistant.log. You can PM me either file.

sand wedge
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Source: components/zha/core/channels/base.py:486
Integration: Zigbee Home Automation (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 2:08:33 PM (75 occurrences)
Last logged: 2:12:18 PM

    [0x0AA4:1:0x0006]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED: 208>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED: 208>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED: 208>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED: 208>')] ```
austere patio
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Have you tried power cycling the devices that can't be controlled? Also, can you look at the ZHA network backup (you can download the JSON from the ZHA config page) and look at the network key's (not the TC link key's!) TX frame counter? What values are shown?

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If you migrated from a backup created from a Conbee with old firmware, the frame counter will be small, since the old firmware did not support reading/writing this parameter. In that case, you just need to bump it up to a higher value (like 1000000) and restore the backup JSON file manually (it'll be an option in the migration flow).

tidal portal
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Thanks @austere patio That was my thought, I was hoping I could get away with connecting it somehow to the Hue bridge as I believe that uses Zigbee too 😄 I'm stupid I know! haha

Thanks @hollow chasm That was exactly what I thought but it was a bit of a minefield trying to work out what would actually work, particularly as most of the things I was finding was for the Conbee II and only if I was using docker.

I will check out those devices you've all mentioned now I've worked out what ZHA is. I'll need to figure out what some of the other things that were mentioned are but it's a really awesome starting point. Thanks again everyone for giving up your time to assist me.

hollow chasm
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You should also be able to move your Hue stuff to whatever stick you end up getting

sand wedge
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Power cycling makes no difference from what I can see.
Network Key:

    "key": "8f:8e:25:0d:33:1b:29:28:17:c0:6d:11:3b:e1:f1:8c",
    "tx_counter": 2208,
    "rx_counter": 0,
    "seq": 0,
    "partner_ieee": "ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff"
},``` 
I am migrating from a Sonoff Zigbee Bridge
tidal portal
sand wedge
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Updating tx_counter to 1000000 makes no difference, bummer

hollow chasm
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I don't have a Sonoff dongle, but I know I've seen people mention there's a P and an E version, and that you'd want the P version

tidal portal
sand wedge
austere patio
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When downloading another backup, does the increased counter value persist?

sand wedge
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"tx_counter": 1010195,

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looks like yes

austere patio
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Just to be sure, is your old coordinator unplugged?

sand wedge
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Yeah. After the first migration I still saw it listed in Devices so I removed it.

austere patio
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They're all just different packages built around the same few chips. Get a CC2652 or an EFR32MG21

sand wedge
austere patio
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It's well-supported by both. There are two poorly-named variants: the v2 is based on the EFR32 and the other one is the CC2652. Two completely different chips.

sand wedge
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Ok. Thank you for your assistance on this.

jovial plume
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do you need to specify an adapter in z2m configuration for Tubes CC2652P2 Based Zigbee to PoE Coordinator?

lilac wharf
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Adapter type? Nope

jovial plume
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hmm

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I'm getting "Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)"

jade mirage
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means your stick didn't respond when z2m tried to talk to it

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could be one of several things, listed on that page

glacial zinc
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My Zigbee network seems to have died. I read that this could be a wifi issue? How can I figure out what channels I should avoid? What channels is Zigbee using?

jade mirage
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emily, describe the environment... home? apt? new neighbor?

glacial zinc
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House, recently moved in. Recently set up HA with SkyConnect and aqara sensors. Network is set up with 3 unifi wifi APs

jade mirage
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do you know what channel wifi and zigbee are using?

glacial zinc
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I don't know what the Zigbee is using, but the wifi is on auto config.

jade mirage
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ok, how long was it working before it died?

glacial zinc
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I would not be surprised if the wifi is clobbering the Zigbee network, so if I knew what the Zigbee was on I could change the wifi setup

jade mirage
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z2m , zha, or deconz?

glacial zinc
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It's very new, so like 2 days? 😛

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Zha, Nabu Casa SkyConnect

jade mirage
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rebooted wifi recently?

glacial zinc
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Nope

jade mirage
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ok, so wifi would likely not have changed channels.

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have you tried rebooting HA?

glacial zinc
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It can change channels spontaneously if it detects interference

jade mirage
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ah

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channel 11 is common for zigbee

mighty river
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hello again, does anyone know how I can stop my hue motion sensors from becoming unavailable? I'm using the HA Yellow. :)

jade mirage
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Try setting your wifi to channel 1, and zigbee to channel 24

sour shadow
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Channel 24 is a poor choice

jade mirage
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ok, better suggestion?

sour shadow
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15, 20, and 25 are usually the better choices, and maybe 26 in Europe

lilac wharf
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It's typically best to stick with 15, 20, or 25

jade mirage
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thanks

glacial zinc
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It's on 15 apparently

jovial plume
jade mirage
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@jovial plume: tell me about your setup -- hw/sw, etc

jovial plume
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rpi4, latest HA, Tube POE CC2652p2

jade mirage
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ok, running HAos?

jovial plume
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Yes

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I re-generated panID

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And changed channels

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Migrating from Conbee II to Tube POE CC2652p2

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I haven't tried uninstalling z2m and reinstalling

jade mirage
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meat:
test -w [PORT] && echo success || echo failure
does it give success or failure?

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where port is /dev/ttyUSB0 (or 1) or /dev/ttyACM0 (or 1)

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or whatever port is /dev/serial/by-id/

jovial plume
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failure

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using port as tcp://ipaddress:6638

limber gate
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hey, has anyone used sonoff zigbee usb dongle ? Do I need to upload different OS on it before using it with zigbe2mqtt or no ?

jovial plume
glacial zinc
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Rebooted HA... And it's yet to wake up -_- please don't have died on me...

jade mirage
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look at the logs

sour shadow
jovial plume
limber gate
sour shadow
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It's firmware for the coordinator... the USB stick has nothing to do with MQTT

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You'll be able to use the stick with Zigbee2MQTT, or ZHA, whichever you prefer

jade mirage
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@jovial plume: show me your config file for z2M

limber gate
glossy marten
jade mirage
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how do the logs look Emily?

jovial plume
jade mirage
glacial zinc
jade mirage
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thats why the logs are needed

jovial plume
solid inlet
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Hi guys. Seems like Philips HUE has a new version for many of my lights, but get an error when trying to apply it? "error 2022-12-30 23:09:02Update of 'media_filament' failed (Image padding contains invalid bytes)"

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using z2m, v 1.28.4

sour shadow
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You too should have used Discord's search feature

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TL/DR: ||It's a known bug||

solid inlet
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oh, sorry (and thanks)

ocean cloak
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This is so weird and annoying. I've had 2 hue motion sensors die on me. Had the first one replaced by Philips, now this other one just died after sitting in the exact same place

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All my other ones have worked fine. I've replaced the batteries so that isn't it

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It connects but then it doesn't give any status updates

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Only thing I can think of is that it's sitting right under my monitor so maybe that's causing some kind of damage?

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Or that it's getting activated too much so that's messing it up somehow? It sits almost right behind my keyboard so any time I'm using my keyboard it's getting activated

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It isn't totally dead though. Like the device will get added after I delete it just fine. But then it never sends any motion or other updates

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The only constant is the location where it is. Something about that location and possible that it's getting activated/deactivated so frequently is causing this weird behavior to happen twice

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On totally different devices

jovial plume
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@molten linden do I need ser2net in order to use the CC2652P2 POE coordinator?

mellow geode
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no

molten linden
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no, BOTH zha and z2m support serial over tcp OTB

jovial plume
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hmm..can you help me troubleshoot? I can't seem to connect to the adapter

molten linden
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dm please.

jovial plume
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FR sent

wise elm
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My aqara devices are falling off the netwerk when using ZHA.
Switch to z2m? Or is there something Im missing?

mellow geode
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Switching integrations likely won't help, as it's up to the network.

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  1. What coordinator are you using?
  2. What routers (mains-powered devices) are you using?
wise elm
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The network always has been stable. Coördinator was a CC2531.
Using z2m. Then I reinstalled HA and switched to ZHA.
Now my coördinator has been switched to SkyConnect.
Same issue.
The routers are dimmers in the wall. There is one every 2 meters or so. The routers and my Ikea blinds are stable. But the aqara temp and contact sensors keep dropping off the network.

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Z2m always was stable. Zha never for the aqaras

mellow geode
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What routers are the dimmers in the wall?

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Aqara sensors are incompatible with some routers and drop-off after some time.
You can re-join them using a particular router and they'll hopefully stick to that.
Perhaps they changed parents (routers) when you switched sticks or changed integrations?

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But again, the integration can't really cause Aqara sensors to drop-off.

wise elm
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I have ran for a few years with these routers.

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But all the sensors are also very much in reach with the coördinator

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I will just test with z2m I guess.

delicate fossil
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Is there a way i can have a zha_quirk ignore if it has been triggered mutltiple times in that last 30 seconds?

serene hill
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Hey will the zonoff zigbee dongle plus (not the newest version) work with the silicon labs multiprotocol add on? I'm redoing my set up, wondering if I should stick with zigbee2mqtt or go with the multiprotocol

austere patio
delicate fossil
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or is there a way to ignore updates via an automation for a bit. I guess i am looking for a debouncer

carmine hamlet
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Put a delay at the end

delicate fossil
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@carmine hamlet at the end of my quirk with a sleep?

carmine hamlet
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The automation

delicate fossil
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@carmine hamlet my automation is for when the switch turns off. When I turn it on it seems to cause the state to jump around a few times fro 10 - 15 seconds

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I was hoping to avoid needing another automation for when i turn it on.

carmine hamlet
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If you want the device to behave or act differently, then yeah, you need to do something at the source. I thought you wanted to control the effect

delicate fossil
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@carmine hamlet make sense i am trying to just limit the noise. I guess I can do an automation that does it but feels a little icky

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i guess i will make my automation turn on and off the other for now till i can find something that debounces at the source

mellow geode
delicate fossil
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My wyze lock

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I am thinking about just adding a throttle to my custom quirk

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Seems to be working as i want. Might move to a debouncer in my quirk

hearty night
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there a good sensor to use to determine if someone is standing in a room vs sitting or laying down ?

covert solar
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Hey I have a question relating to zigbee2mqtt crashing on startup having to do with an incorrect syntax for a filter I set up. Is this the right place to ask about it? I'm new to this discord

carmine hamlet
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Related to HA in some way?

covert solar
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Yes, zigbee2mqtt is/was running as a HA addon

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I'll ask the question anyway. I had z2mqtt running for a few months but recently I was playing around with the settings because I noticed there was a filter option and I wanted to see if I could filter out a message being sent from a device. I didn't read any documentation and I belive I entered a filter for "*slide". From what I can tell the asterisk is somehow breaking it because it immediately crashed and anytime I try to restart it it fails as well. I'll paste the log after. The issue is the only way I know how to edit the filter is through the user interface which isn't present as it's crashed.

I've tried to uninstall z2mqtt and reinstall just to clear it all out but it still gives me the same error message so there must be some file somewhere saving the settings that I need to clear before reinstallation, but I can't find it. I think finding and clearing it out will be the easiest solution

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Here's the logs I'm getting. There's a lot of lines initializing my various devices before it gives the message that z2mqtt has started, but then immediatly crashes with a syntax error:

Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-12-31 01:34:49: Zigbee2MQTT started!
SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: /^*slide$/: Nothing to repeat
at String.match (<anonymous>)
at /app/lib/util/utils.ts:355:45
at Array.find (<anonymous>)
at Object.filterProperties (/app/lib/util/utils.ts:355:24)
at Controller.publishEntityState (/app/lib/controller.ts:270:15)
at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:159:26)
at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

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I have home assistant running on a VM through ProxMox if that's important to know

hollow chasm
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Have you checked /config/zigbee2mqtt/ ?

abstract rapids
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@covert solar I think the regex is invalid because * is a modifier (match zero or more times) for the previous character or character group - in your case there is nothing before the *
If you are trying to match anything ending in 'slide', then this should suffice

/slide$/

rapid dawnBOT
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@covert solar I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
fiery cave
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Hi all,
I am busy moving over to ZHA and created groups in ZHA, but I cannot see the groups as an entity in Home Assistant. Is that how it's supposed to work? I mean, I expected the Zigbee groups to appear as HA entities so that I can use them in scenes and automations, etc.

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Removed them and added them again and now they are there.

open arrow
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Hi everyone, Im a total newbie in HA and started all the magic now in tiny little steps. I got an Raspi-4 with HomeAssistant OS and a Conbee II Zigbee Stick. Setup everything on an SD Card an ran it - works absolutly fine and perfect. Now I changed from SD Card to SSD and installed HA again from scratch and the Zigbee Integration isnt working anymore. Failing to setup with Logs that I dont understand...
I tried installing it again fromm scratch, using different USB Ports and rebooting ALOT but getting the same Error everytime.
"Failed to set up
Check the logs "

jolly geode
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Anyone else having problems to update some Philips lights via Zigbee2MQTT?

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"Update of 'Erdgeschoss.Schlafzimmer.Bettlicht.1' failed (Image padding contains invalid bytes)"

mighty river
jolly geode
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Oh sorry, thanks for the hint!

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Just a bit annoying that the Settings Page fills with updates, I guess it is possible to turn off the Zigbee OTA Updates showing there but I didn't found it..

primal spire
sour shadow
austere patio
open arrow
open arrow
grizzled kettle
glossy lintel
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Why is zigbee still telling me it is ot started while the log states it is started ?

astral citrus
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Been busy for two days now trying to get a Texas Instruments cc26x2r1 into Home Assistant, but I can't get it to work.... Is there anyone who can take a look with me?

sour shadow
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You're trying to use it as a coordinator for ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT, or ... something else?

glossy lintel
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And now, that device which seems to be supported joined

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But

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It’s unavailable

rapid dawnBOT
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@glossy lintel I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
glossy lintel
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Aaaand retrying worked

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This is so strange 😂

glossy lintel
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and I'm getting timeouts now

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error 2022-12-31 17:18:21Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Cave - grande cave - interrupteur sonoff' failed: 'Error: Command 0x00124b002579be7c/1 genOnOff.off({}, {"sendWhen":"immediate","timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Data request failed with error: 'No network route' (205))'

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this failing device is located a little further than the first on off switch (wired device) which is linked correctly and do not report errors

unborn orbit
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Anyone have tips on flashing a sonoff C2652P chipset for use as a sniffer? I read a thread suggesting cc1352p1lp\sniffer_fw.hex firmware due to similarities in the chipset. I used cc2538-bsl.py -evw -p /dev/ttyUSB0 --bootloader-sonoff-usb sniffer_fw.hex to flash but it seems like I did something wrong as I can't find the device in sniffer 2

molten linden
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Honestly it’s a lot easier to use an ezsp based one as no special fw is used or pick up a Nordic nrf for to use as a dedicated sniffer they aren’t expensive

unborn orbit
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Thank you!

unborn orbit
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nevermind got it

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had to chmod a directory first

molten linden
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I think linux, but it's been a long time, I use an nrf now (though haven't sniffed anything for a while either) You can also use bellows to just dump straight to a pcap and then open it in wireshark later. that's typically what I did in the past with ezsp. only used the jar once.

pure gazelle
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Hi. Is there a place (IRC, discord, telegram, signal, anything) for zigbee2mqtt dev? I need to add some attributes to a device that's already supported by zigbee2mqtt. I have the cluste/attribute hex values, but I don't understand how to modify the .js file accordingly. This is the file I need to modify: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/blob/master/devices/lixee.js ; and what I need to add is this: https://github.com/fairecasoimeme/Zlinky_TIC#version-0007 cluster 0xff66 attribute 0x0100

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From the .js file I can list that the attributes are listed (line 64 onwards), but the attribute hex addresses are juts comments

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So I'm not sure how to add a new attribute.

sour shadow
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There is a Discord for Z2M, carefully linked from their docs, however the developers themselves aren't really active there

unborn orbit
pure gazelle
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Thank you. I feel silly for not having found it 😆

molten linden
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just use the help within it usually

unborn orbit
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sorry meant issues with choosing channel in wireshark with zigbeesniffer

molten linden
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yeah sorry don't know that as well.

unborn orbit
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i'll give bellows a shot

molten linden
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Usage: bellows dump [OPTIONS]

  Capture frames on CHANNEL and write to FILE in tcpdump format

Options:
  -c, --channel CHANNEL  [11<=x<=26; required]
  -w FILE                [required]
  --help                 Show this message and exit.```
sand hearth
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Can anyone lend a hand with zigbee2mqtt and Aqara switches? I cannot seem to get them to pair no matter how many times I try. Running latest edge version with Conbee ii on latest firmware.

sour shadow
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Is the Conbee on a USB extension cable?

sand hearth
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Tried pairing mode alone and also pairing mode and pushing button every second.

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Yea, 3 ft extension.

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Had to pair door window Aqara sensors by moving them with a foot of conbee. Then moved them to the door (which is further away then the switch) and they work fine now.

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Obviously moving a switch screwed into a wall in not an option.

sour shadow
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Did you check for WiFi interference on your Zigbee channel?

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Z2M's default channel of 11 is ... usually a terrible choice

sand hearth
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Zigbee is on 15 and Wi-Fi is in 11 (far end on right). Seems like it should be ok from the overlap/channel diagrams I have seen.

sour shadow
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Should be, yes, but what about your neighbours?

sand hearth
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Yes there is plenty of Wi-Fi on 1 and 11.

unborn orbit
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Now the question is how do i interpret this? How do I know where the traffic is originating from/going to?

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I've put in my network key so I think it's decrypted

molten linden
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you need to add your key to wireshark to decrypt

unborn orbit
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maybe I didn't do that correctly

molten linden
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NWK addresses should be there to know what is what 0x0000 is the coord

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I fumble through this at times

unborn orbit
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I'm trying to trouble shoot these blue series switches

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this is what i'm getting. i'm assuming this is still encrypted?

molten linden
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I think so

unborn orbit
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any idea how to go from the listed source to what device is actually involved?

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sorry for so many questions

molten linden
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Source/Dest are the NWK addresses. you should be able to find that somewhere in z2m

lilac wharf
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Yeah, the network addresses are displayed in the z2m frontend

unborn orbit
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There are two places that list source. IEEE 802.115.4 and Zigbee Network Layer. Which one should I be looking at? The other weird part is that in the top pane where it lists source does not include anything listed in Z2M

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here is an example

glossy lintel
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You guys are not having a new years eve? 🤨

jade mirage
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heyya meaning

fleet raptor
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If I understand it correctly, I can plug some Zigbee coordinator stick into the USB port of a Pi 4 running home assist.

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I am trying to set up motion detectors.

sour shadow
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Yes

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

sour shadow
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☝️

fleet raptor
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I don't know much on this area and I have to deploy soon. Do you have any recommendations?

sour shadow
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If you want easy then use ZHA and any Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 Plus stick

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If you happen to buy the one that's CC2652 based then you could change to Zigbee2MQTT later if you wanted to

fleet raptor
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So CC2652 based zigbee stick of some type

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I don't want to have to worry about compatibility issues

sour shadow
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The stick is less important than the software you use - ZHA or Z2M

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Those are what define compatibility

fleet raptor
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Which option is compatible with everything 🙂

sour shadow
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Neither

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Or both

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Practically speaking it's a wash - it makes little difference most of the time

fleet raptor
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The bot message says that deCONZ doesn't support Pi 4 so I should avoid that ( assuming I read it correctly)

sour shadow
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Well, deCONZ ... just don't

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As I said before, pick from ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

fleet raptor
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Can I use both on pi 4?

sour shadow
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Don't buy anything based on the CC253x chips, and don't buy a ConBee/RaspBee

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Yes, the hardware you run is largely irrelevant here

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Other than SD cards having a terrible lifespan

fleet raptor
rapid dawnBOT
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@fleet raptor When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

sour shadow
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The size of them is irrelevant

fleet raptor
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It was for storage space of video

sour shadow
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If it's an endurance card then that's different

fleet raptor
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Are both zha and Zigbee2MQTT open sourced or is one proprietary?

sour shadow
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Yes, open source

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deCONZ is commercial

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ZHA is part of HA

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Zigbee2MQTT is external

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If you just want to get going quickly, pick ZHA

hollow chasm
sour shadow
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Zigbee2MQTT will require you to do a little more learning and more setup, which if you're in a hurry isn't ideal

fleet raptor
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Can you think of any issue I would have with using a zha for what I described?

sour shadow
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Only if you buy some obscure Zigbee devices that aren't standards compliant

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Which is much the same problem you could have with Z2M

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Just stick to Xiaomi Aqara and you'll be fine.

Don't buy Tuya.
Don't buy Sonoff sensors.
Don't buy Osram bulbs.

fleet raptor
fleet raptor
sour shadow
fleet raptor
sour shadow
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There's a difference between will work and is a good choice

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I mean, you can drive your car at 120 MPH in heavy rain on busy roads, but that doesn't mean it's smart to do so (or that you'll do so for long)

fleet raptor
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I should look through the zgate, silicon labs and TI based ones?

sour shadow
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If you want easy then use ZHA and any Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 Plus stick
If you happen to buy the one that's CC2652 based then you could change to Zigbee2MQTT later if you wanted to

fleet raptor
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thankyou

sour shadow
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Or just buy anything CC2652 based

fleet raptor
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I was scrolling through the conversation to see if there was an earlier statement answering my future questions.

sour shadow
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@fleet raptor please ... don't tag me to demand my attention, just ask your questions

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Also... I said:

Don't buy Sonoff sensors.

fleet raptor
#

oh

sour shadow
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The answer to range is ... about 6 to 8 meters you need to ensure you add routers to your mesh

fleet raptor
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And sorry, just didn't expect people to remain in chat for intermittent conversation.

sour shadow
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Well... even if I'm not here others can answer you

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That'd be the one I've suggested to you twice before 😉

fleet raptor
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Sorry, in a stressed mood right now.

sour shadow
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More haste, less speed...

hollow chasm
#

Range also depends heavily on the age and construction of your house. A brick house with brick walls vs. old plaster and lathe vs. drywall will have varying degrees of wall penetration just like wifi

sour shadow
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And smaller rooms means more walls than larger rooms

raven jewel
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Foil backed plaster is the speciality in my building. Good luck getting signal between rooms without repeaters.

fleet raptor
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Thankyou. That is picked out. Now I need to find a repeater and motion detectors and I think I will have all the hardware needed.

sour shadow
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Xiaomi Aqara for any sensors

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For repeaters any mains plug will do, Innr are well regarded

fleet raptor
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Is mains plug a brand name?

raven jewel
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No, mains plug = a smart plug

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(as in one you plug into the wall for power and something else plugs into it)

fleet raptor
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Is there such thing as a multi-outlet repeater plug? All the ones I see are bulky single plug

sour shadow
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Depends on which country you're in

raven jewel
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Theoretically anything permanently powered with neutral will repeat

sour shadow
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There's not one global power standard

raven jewel
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You can buy dedicated repeaters

sour shadow
#

This is the one time a CC2531 isn't a terrible choice... it's just not a great router

lilac wharf
sour shadow
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They do

fleet raptor
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US. I was looking for something like a six plugs that go in a two wall outlet.

sour shadow
#

No, that's Zigbee 1.2

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You want their E1/T1/P1 range

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Though, if you're not messing with the routers it's fine

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I have a few of them, they work well as long as you don't turn off the router they're connected to... which is a problem for any Zigbee sensor

fleet raptor
sour shadow
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I don't live in North America, I have no idea what you have

raven jewel
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I think he means an extension lead

sour shadow
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Yeah, but I've no idea what the US market has... I barely have any idea about the EU market and they're next door

raven jewel
fleet raptor
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Thankyou, though they are all single plugs. I was looking for multiple three prong plugs.

raven jewel
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They are not all single plugs, I saw a number of UK and EU multi gang plugs 😉

fleet raptor
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Must be US

raven jewel
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I just didn't look far enough to see if there were US equivalents

fleet raptor
sour shadow
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There must be US options ... I can buy a UK one and our market is tiny

raven jewel
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Oh heck, you want an outlet?

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Ouch, you're probably going to struggle, but I know you can get in wall switches to put behind them, if you have the room and the knowledge

#

(FYI, if you remove everything from ref=... onwards from an Amazon link it removes the tracking rubbish and makes it a lot shorter)

fleet raptor
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I wanted to avoid the power strips

raven jewel
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*Probably, I can wire a UK plug and a UK socket, but have zero idea how your electrical system works.

fleet raptor
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I wanted to avoid rewiring the house with the two plug repeaters.

sour shadow
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You can just plug in plugs rather than rewiring anything

hollow chasm
sour shadow
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Their Zigbee 3.0 stuff is well behaved

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(Just damned hard to get a hold of outside of China)

fleet raptor
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Is there something the name to tell if something is zigbee 3.0?

sour shadow
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Only if it says Zigbee 3.0

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I've got one of their E1 remotes, a bunch of E1 door/window sensors, a P1 motion sensor, and the Mijia light sensor - all those merrily pick new routes when they feel like it

fleet raptor
sour shadow
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It's user submission based, it's not complete, or necessarily entirely accurate... but it's the best thing out there for ZHA

||it's the only thing out there||

raven jewel
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Zigbee2MQTT also has a great devices list

fleet raptor
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Is there any strategy other then braving the name of every motion sensor on the list for its spec sheet to see if it supports zigbee 3.0?

sour shadow
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That's pretty much it

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Of course, you don't need everything to support Zigbee 3.0

fleet raptor
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I was figuring if I am buying hardware, mine as well by hardware that will not give usability issues.

raven jewel
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My non 3.0 Zigbee devices are fine

sour shadow
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I did deliberately ensure that all my routers are now Zigbee 3.0, but even when I ran a mesh with some 3.0 routers and some 1.2 routers everything all worked the same

unborn orbit
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I'm not a zigbee expert and was wondering if anyone has a ballpark number for expected network messages over a given time. I recorded for roughly 60 seconds and had nearly 5,000 messages over that period of time with roughly 70% being broadcast messages. Is this normal?

hoary sky
#

Is this the channel for skyconnect help? Moving from Hubitat (via Maker API) to Skyconnect and seeing some issues where not all properties of devices show up?

I have some old SmartThings sensors that showed Motion/Occupancy in Hubitat, but SkyConnect/HA doesn't seem to show it.

I have a different version of the ST sensors (older) that do show motion/occupancy.

sour shadow
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Well, that's just a stick you can use for Zigbee (or Thread)

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Are you using it with ZHA?

hoary sky
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I think so, Big red circle with a Z cutout? I just followed the automatic install steps when HA detected SkyConnect.

sour shadow
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Then you're using ZHA

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And the behaviour you're seeing has nothing to do with the SkyConnect - that's just a radio - it's going to be a feature of ZHA

hoary sky
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I see, and where do I get support for that? Core on github?

#

or zigpy?

hollow chasm
sour shadow
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Well, that guide isn't always terribly accurate

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Apply a pinch of salt, or maybe a bucket load

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Here is where you get "support", unless you're wanting to help improve/create the quirk to support all the features

hoary sky
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Yea, its not on there, but someone in a github comment indirectly mentions they got the CentraLite 3325-S working.

I am familiar with code,. Be looking at the diagnostics and logs trying to see anything.

What is this "quirk" you speak of?

sour shadow
hoary sky
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Thanks!

bitter harbor
#

Got my SkyConnect today too, mostly on a whim since I've generally been pretty happy with Z-Wave. Given that, anyone have thoughts on something that really shows ZigBee's strengths vs. Z-Wave? I know there's more different things available for cheaper given the lack of regional frequencies and less restrictive licensing, but I'm curious if someone's got a specific use case that's not possible without those more offbeat/broader options

hoary sky
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Ah, looks like its not using the right quirk. the 3305-S quirk has the 3325-S model listed, but it seems to be defaulting to a different one.

hoary sky
livid root
#

Hi every one Happy new year for Down Under

#

I need to change the panid of my z2m adpater, where do I edit the config? I'm using the latest hassOS rpi4

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any assitance?

quick willow
#

I just got my Sky connect and am now repairing my zigbee devices. I have an Ikea remote https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Ikea_E1743.html, but it only shows me battery percentage and identify, no options for click on/off or brightness. How can I get those options? Do I need to use zigbee2mqtt? Can I use my skyconnetc with zigbee2mqtt? Should I run a docker instance with zigbee to mqtt with my old sonoff dongle also?

lilac wharf
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ZHA doesn't create entities for buttons or remotes; it only fires events (zha_event)

quick willow
lilac wharf
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Developer tools > events and listen for zha_event

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You can use the skyconnect with zigbee2mqtt, but support for it is only experimental so you're more likely to run into issues than with a fully-supported adapter

quick willow
quick willow
cyan temple
fleet raptor
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Thankyou everyone, system is ordered.

lilac wharf
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@cyan temple search this channel and you'll find the answer

cyan temple
mellow geode
fleet raptor
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I see Zigbee devices use many different frequencies

mellow geode
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Zigbee devices all use 2.4 GHz

hollow chasm
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As far as I know, everything you'll end up buying is 2.4GHz. Wikipedia says it can also use other frequencies like 915MHz in the US (which is the same band Z-Wave lives in), but I haven't seen things mention that they're on other frequencies

mellow geode
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The 915 MHz is technically true, but I don't think any consumer devices are for sale that also use that frequency

fleet raptor
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If they use 2.4 Ghz then why does Zigbee need a controller?

mellow geode
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A microwave is also on the 2.4 GHz spectrum but doesn't act as an AP

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It's a different protocol (for Zigbee vs WiFi -- not the microwave). Bluetooth also uses 2.4 GHz

hollow chasm
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It's part of the architecture of the Zigbee network. There's some good diagrams

bitter harbor
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It's not WiFi packets, it's just the same frequency range. Lots of stuff uses it because it's open frequency everywhere

hollow chasm
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The coordinator forms the network, the routers repeat

fleet raptor
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I guess they used a different protocal for power saving reasons.

hollow chasm
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Some microwaves also have wifi, so double 2.4GHz!

fleet raptor
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Can those Microwaves play Crisis though 🙂

hollow chasm
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Yeah it's very low power. The battery powered devices wake up, do their thing, and then go back to sleep

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Some devices can go years on a little coin cell battery

fleet raptor
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Thankyou for the information

hollow chasm
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Z-Wave is the same idea, very low power devices that can sleep most of the time, just on a lower frequency

solid inlet
mellow geode
# solid inlet Found these from your post, thanks, but also this one; https://github.com/zigbee...

It's not a breaking issue though. It's just telling the user that a firmware update for specific newer Hue lights can't be installed -- it doesn't break your Z2M installation. Home Assistant Alerts is also only for HA integrations and Zigbee2MQTT just integrates via MQTT (not via a specific integration in HA).
The issue trackers are separate, as they serve separate purposes but the same issue is posted on multiple issue trackers now because those users didn't research their issue before opening a new one

solid inlet
solid inlet
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Just got the updated z2m installed and upgrading my remaining lights. But it is slooooow! Upgrading the older lights from 1.88 took about 15 minutes. This is estimated to about 60?! Is the upgrade that much bigger? Just curious, it seems to work quite nice 🙂

hollow chasm
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ZigBee updates are very very slow. My IKEA Tradfri remote took almost 3 hours

raven jewel
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Battery devices can be really slow. I find powered devices a lot faster

hollow chasm
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Yeah the powered stuff is definitely faster, but either way it's just a slow protocol. I think the signal repeaters that came with my blinds took ~15 mins for a 200kb firmware file

potent dock
#

I just received my HomeAssistant SkyConnect. Tonight i'll give it a go

lilac wharf
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Yeah, the max throughput of zigbee is 250 Kbps, so assuming a file size of 200 KB, the upgrade would take at least 27 minutes

potent dock
#

what's the best way of add zigbee to HomeAssistant nowadays? That time I tried zigbee2mqtt was the way to go, but that was a long time ago and now there's a zigbee integration in HA that supports the sky connect usb stick. What's the current advice?

sage plume
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Oh this isnt good. I just got the update for Zigbee2mqtt and.. all my devices are now unavailable. Hm.. restarting HA fixed it seems but that was a bit worrying 😄

violet dagger
potent dock
violet dagger
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it is depending on which part of the community you ask

raven jewel
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I personally prefer how Zigbee2MQTT handles things like button presses.

lilac wharf
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I also like the decoupled aspect and MQTT in general

mighty river
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Restarting HA and thus ZHA used to be problematic for me so I switch to z2m a few days after I got my zigbee stick. Now I can restart the two individually

violet dagger
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@potent dock meet the MQTT part of the community 😄

mighty river
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And I recently started writing my automations in AppDaemon and directly used MQTT in there, much more logical for me as a programmer compared to the automation yaml stuff in HA

potent dock
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I try to use HA automations as much as I can but for certain level of complexity I also resort to node red

jovial plume
#

Prior to 1.29.0 z2m update I had configured an unsupported device (Philips Hue light), and now it's throwing errors. My assumption is it has to do with the .js external converter. Anything about the new update I can pinpoint to troubleshoot? I looked through the changelog and nothing stood out to me. For now I restored from backup and using 1.28.4-1 with no issue

prime dove
#

Hmm I'm not able to add deleted zigbee devices with ZHA

#

I took them in pairing mode

floral plinth
#

Happy New Year all! Does anyone know how to put the ZBDongle-E in pairing mode when you flashed it as a router?

glossy lintel
#

Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Cave - Grande cave - interrupteur sonoff' failed: 'Error: Command 0x00124b002579be7c/1 genOnOff.off({}, {"sendWhen":"immediate","timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Data request failed with error: 'No network route' (205))'

#

all my devices are disconnecting from my sonoff usb zigbee key

#

😦

#

I also get another error

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'MAC transaction expired' (240))'

#

really, I can't say switching from the official sonoff hub to that key + zigbee2mqtt helps... it's actually way worse

sick osprey
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i have one of the zigbee smart knobs, is there a way to make them a bit more responsive? i'm using a conbee2 and the zigbee integration

sour shadow
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There's probably a few dozen "zigbee smart knobs"

sick osprey
#

this one

sour shadow
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Tuya nauseated

sick osprey
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is that bad?

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i have no idea

sour shadow
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Well... generally speaking... Tuya's pretty far from good

#

Some Tuya (Zigbee) devices aren't total crap

sick osprey
#

what would you use/what alternative is there?

sour shadow
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Almost anything else (other than Sonoff)

#

Ikea do some dials, and Terncy does too, but they'll all have some lag to minimise sending streams of messages

sick osprey
#

some lag would be ok, but rn it sometimes takes 10 secs for them to even update

#

let me check the ikea one

sour shadow
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Yup

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I have the Terncy dial, it's way faster than 10 seconds, typically less than one

prime dove
sick osprey
#

meh, probably going to buy one then, ty. sucks a bit, it's somehow always a shot in the dark to get a good device

sour shadow
#

If you avoid Tuya you'll usually be better off 😛

raw nest
#

dumb question but is there a way to change the ZigBee channel with ZHA?

rapid dawnBOT
sick osprey
sour shadow
raw nest
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Oh thanks i didn't see that, I'll check again

#

I thought yaml config was depreciated, I guess I was wrong

sour shadow
#

Well, yes, but no. Some YAML is deprecated

raw nest
jovial plume
hoary gulch
#

Hi all, I was wondering, can someone explain this change to me. I can't wrap my head around what changed. https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/pull/15555
I see them behave in exactly the same way they used to, unless I missed some idiosyncrasy.
This cover type always created a separate entity for moving state, and this entity still does exist.
https://i.imgur.com/WTIIyBi.png
Am I to understand now the main cover entity has a moving attribute, which was not there before?
I don't recall if it was there before or not.
https://i.imgur.com/mhPw75N.png
I don't see the state changing to opening or closing - just up or down as it used to be.
Here is the commit: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/pull/15555/commits/ec9cedd140d589fe72203a56f18d590890943bcf

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I asked about it in the z2m discord and was told to discuss it here.

#

This change doesn't seem to have any effect on my end as I think it should work (but may be wrong), or I may need to do something first for it to work. Re-discover the device, re-pair (hopefully not), etc?

obtuse ermine
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Don’t know much about that specific hardware, but devices can* change what they report/support between revisions of the same part number. Maybe something like that applies here?

hoary gulch
#

Two follow-ups though:

  1. I have the exact hardware the original reporter indicated having the issue and I see no change whatsoever.
  2. If I understand the pull correctly, the detected state/attribute should be opening/closing/open/closed/stopped, but mine are still up/down/stop.
potent dock
#

I just came to share my experience moving to the HA SkyConnect dongle for my zigbee stuff. The native integration didn't detect some of the devices I was adding (some tuya temperature+humidity+air-quality) so I had to use zigbee2mqtt. Not a big deal since it's what I was using before.

Range: A bit better than my Texas Instrments CC2531. Hard to say exactly, but maybe ~15 to 20% better. Not massively better but I can notice it.
Caveats: In zigbee2mqtt you need to switch to the ezsp adapter.
Power: I can't say, I have only 4 zigbee devices. One sonoff mini, the aforementioned air quality sensor, a smart plug I only bought to extend range to signal reaches the garage and an ikea switch button

obtuse ermine
hoary gulch
#

Same as in HA

obtuse ermine
#

Might go back to the z2m folks and show them that without any mention of HA. HA can only see what z2m publishes.

hoary gulch
#

Good point!!

austere patio
robust ice
#

Hey guys, those in North America, what Zigbee plug (that is also router) do you guys use? I tried Sonoff but it has been horrible in reliability and caused my network to get all messed up.

molten linden
#

sengleds work well. have an innr 15 amp on one order to try as well.

clever basin
#

I use innr and sengled I have ewink as well but prefer innr over all

jade mirage
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Innr

carmine hamlet
jade mirage
#

RobC: do they show enery use?

carmine hamlet
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Nope

jade mirage
#

ok....

carmine hamlet
#

Cheap, small, have a physical button, flawless inclusion/exclusion, fast

#

But just simple on/off

jade mirage
#

Cool... I[m trying to monitor a few appliances

austere patio
carmine hamlet
#

Hmm, all of mine are on v1.00.19 and Z2M doesn't pull up any available updates. Is there something newer?

#

Mine seem to revert to 'off' if I unplug them and plug them back in. Better than turning on, but not ideal I guess.

austere patio
#

Yeah, they turn off after being unplugged/plugged back in, instead of respecting the power-on setting you configure.

carmine hamlet
#

I'm trying to do a local update and it doesn't want to do it unless I add "force": true" for some reason

# 
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-01-01 21:38:53: ZigbeeOTA: Loading override index /app/data/my_index.json
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-01-01 21:38:53: ZigbeeOTA: getting local firmware file /app/data/SmartPlug_Zigbee_PROD_OTA_V29_v1.00.29.ota
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-01-01 21:38:53: Is new image available for '0x282c02bfffeb336c', current '{"fieldControl":0,"manufacturerCode":4659,"imageType":54182,"fileVersion":268513281}', latest meta '{"fileVersion":268513310,"url":"SmartPlug_Zigbee_PROD_OTA_V29_v1.00.29.ota"}'
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-01-01 21:38:53: Update available for '0x282c02bfffeb336c': NO
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-01 21:38:53: No update available for 'LR Center Lamp'
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268513310 is clearly larger than 268513281, so it must be looking at something else

#

I don't want to brick it, so I'm apprehensive about forcing it without knowing what it thinks is wrong

carmine hamlet
#

the debug statement statement is definitely wrong now:

    logger.debug(`Update available for '${device.ieeeAddr}': ${available < 0 ? 'YES' : 'NO'}`);
    if (available > 0) {
        logger.warn(`Firmware on '${device.ieeeAddr}' is newer than latest firmware online.`);
    }
mellow geode
mellow geode
carmine hamlet
#

Even that looks broken to me, but the comments indicate that it was done to support HA

#

Looks like the change was half-done

white lichen
#

Just out of curiosity: How much bandwidth does zigbee usually offer? I see firmware updates taking 30mins and more. Are files that big? 😉

hollow chasm
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Low bandwidth + very low power/slow devices

white lichen
#

Is it wise to trigger updates simultaniously?

carmine hamlet
#

I'm updating 10 now with no problems

nova flint
carmine hamlet
#

Pfft

white lichen
#

😄

nova flint
#

Generally, updating multiple at the same time can clog up the network to a point where stuff just doesn't respond in a timely fashion.

carmine hamlet
#

Tell that to my updated plugs

#

That I believe, but I'm just watching TV

nova flint
#

But if you don't need to touch your lights or switches for ~10-30 minutes, go for it 😄

white lichen
#

Is it wise to trigger an update via HA, while Z2M does not yet show any update necessity?

nova flint
#

There's a bug in the current z2m version with the OTA tab 🙂 https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/15862
"update_available" is set to null for some reason, even if there is a newer version available, making it so that you can't currently update from the Z2M GUI. Triggering the update manually with an mqtt message, or through HA, works fine.

white lichen
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Yeah, I've seen that the firmware version format switched to integer (from string).

#

Thanks for the insights.

turbid ledge
#

Any good recommendations for good Zigbee no-neutral wall switches that also work as routers ?

violet dagger
#

literally none

potent dock
#

My bad, I meant wall sockets, not switches

#

I missread

violet dagger
#

do you live in a country that takes any type of wall socket?

potent dock
#

EU?

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Regular schuko wall socket

violet dagger
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not a lot of those that aren't tuya, best choice probably Schneider Electric

sour shadow
#

Innr also do EU plugs

potent dock
#

Schneider electric has zigbee devices? That would be ideal because ever wall socket in my home is already from Schneider

#

That said, other than one Ikea battery switch all my zigbee devices are tuya and they have worked fine

#

They would blend with the rest of sockets

violet dagger
#

are plugs wall sockets?

#

aren't wall sockets things that go into the wall that you plug plugs into

nova flint
#

SE has their own "Wiser" ecosystem, no idea if that's based on Tuya or not though

hardy osprey
#

I have a handful of Namron 5401395 ovens... connected via the zigbee coordinator. They seem to be missing a few of the settings one of my friends sees when connected to zigbee2mqtt.

nova flint
#

CCT711119 is a smart plug from them 😄

hardy osprey
#

Who should i poke to get them to support all setting in my setup?

sour shadow
#

You?

#

Start by checking that you're both on the same version of Z2M

#

Then check that they're reporting the same model and firmware version in Z2M

hardy osprey
#

they are all identical, bought on the same day 😉

sour shadow
#

And you're both on the same version number of Z2M?

hardy osprey
#

No, i use zigbee directly

#

same usb-dongle though

sour shadow
#

"Zigbee directly"?

#

You mean ZHA?

hardy osprey
#

probably

sour shadow
#

It would have helped if you'd mentioned that earlier

mighty river
#

If I open a innr Zigbee light bulb, where can I read up what the configuration entities of it mean and how to properly set up the values? I'm not sure where even to search for that documentation

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e.g. number.innr_rb_278_t_start_up_color_temperature is at 454, what does that value mean and what proper values and their impacts are there?

sour shadow
#

Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

slate yarrow
#

I have this remote: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/929002398602.html
I use the upper button for on/off of a hue led strip and the two below to control its brightness.

I want to use the "hue" button to trigger a HomeAssistant scene. Is that possible? (Zigbee2mqtt)

mighty river
#

ZHA

hardy osprey
#

ok, i'll look into it 😉

nova flint
#

@mighty river Z2M documentation for that device state the color_temp_startup value is between 153 and 555, the higher the warmer the color is.

sour shadow
nova flint
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It's mired scale (or reciprocal megakelvin)

hardy osprey
#

Good thing with Namron though, they include the complete list of all zigbee stuff they support...

mighty river
nova flint
mighty river
#

and is there some converter like if I have x K as color temp in mind, what does it correspond to on that mired scale?

nova flint
#

That's mostly Z2M specific, but will somewhat translate to ZHA as well

last ruin
#

Z2M addon fails to start with after a power outage. I run HAOS through VmWare and have a Sonos Zigbee controller. I've tried disconnecting the USB device through VMware, restarted PC and phyiscally reconnect it to USB. Ideas? https://pastebin.com/5ScvnyBC EDIT: Fixed it. database.db was missing "} at the end for some reason.

nova flint
mighty river
#

so if I read this doc, what is defined as "start_up"? After it was just off -> on or after it completely lost power at some point?

sour shadow
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Startup is on device startup, when you apply power to it

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(so yes, powerloss)

mighty river
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maybe you can help me out to understand if my bulbs are actually losing power. My setup the following: a dumb momentary switch (essentially the button goes back to normal position once pressed), behind it a fibaro smart switch set to "momentary switch" setting, and the power cable goes to the innr light bulb. So when I turn off the innr light bulb via this switch, does it actually lose power or does it just receive a "turn off" pulse signal but still keeps its power?

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my understanding is that this momentary switch doesn't completely cut the power but just sends a toggle signal, right?

sour shadow
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Depends entirely on the behaviour of that smart switch

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However, given that it's Z-Wave and your Innr is Zigbee, I doubt very much there's any "signal" involved, other than cutting power

last ruin
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I'm getting the same error if I first disconnect the Sonoff dongle in VMware and start Z2M addon in HA. Does that mean Z2M can't find my dongle? Hmm...

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If I do dmesg in terminal addon in HA it says usb device found and attached to ttyUSB0

mighty river
# sour shadow However, given that it's Z-Wave and your Innr is Zigbee, I doubt very much there...

then 2 other thoughts:

  1. if the zwave switch is "off", but the innr light bulb is reporting its state in HA and can be toggled directly in HA, is that not an indication that it accessible and thus has power?
  2. if the zwave switch is "off", but I'd touch the inside of the light bulb socket with some electricity meter and it showed a flowing current, would that be an indication that the zwave switch is not completely cutting the power to the bulbs?
sour shadow
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Well, check the settings

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You have it in front of you, all we can do is guess based on what you tell us

mighty river
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"settings" of the zwave switch?

sour shadow
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That too

mighty river
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well as switch type the zwave switch is configured as momentary switch

sour shadow
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Well... turn it off and see what happens to the Zigbee bulb

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Three options:

  1. Nothing
  2. It loses power
  3. It turns off briefly
mighty river
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if I turn the zwave switch off, the physical light bulb turns on, but in HA its state is reported as on

sour shadow
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Then it sounds like probably (3)

spring relic
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I've been having weirdness last couple days with my zigbee stuff too... it detects and reports stats from the switch, but turn it on and it flips state and reports a zigbee error swiching back immediately. But only intermittently. It's kinda weird. And then sometimes an hour after my automation triggered the switch switches. Very odd.

mighty river
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so then my switches are never cutting off power to the light bulbs, hence they shouldn't be influenced by that color_temp_start_up setting anyway

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?

sour shadow
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Well, from the fact that it's turning on when you turn the switch off I'd expect that it's cutting the power

mighty river
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the light.innr_lampew_arbeitszimmer entity stays and continues to stay in the "on" state. when I toggle the switch.doubleswitch2_lampe_arbeitszimmer entity (the zwave switch), it turns this innr light bulb physically on or off, but the light.innr_lampew_arbeitszimmer entity doesn't change its state to off. so you're saying it may be a lag and the power is cut off to the innr lamp and it just hasn't updated its status in HA?

sour shadow
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Well, the not updating in HA sounds like the light isn't configured to report state changes

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In Z2M that'd be done by binding it to the controller

potent dock
vast yoke
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Z2MQTT addon UI gives me a 401: Unauthorised when trying to see the UI. The log looks fine, and I've tried restarting it a couple time, as well as HA. Not sure if it's happening since I updated it today or earlier on (it's been days since I accessed).

Any idea?

mighty river
sour shadow
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No idea, I'd assume so but I don't use ZHA

mighty river
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hmm so I turned off the zwave switch to off, updated the start_up_color temp in the innr bulb and HA has popups in lower left saying "Failed service call to set value". So maybe I guess that's an indication that power is cut off and the bulb's parameters can't be updated

sour shadow
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Sounds plausible

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with the switch off, can you turn the bulb on directly?

mighty river
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nope. when i flip the light.switch of the bulb, it turns to off in the HA gui, the physical bulb stays off, then the light.switch goes back to the on state in HA gui

sour shadow
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And ... now you know what's going on

mighty river
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what a journey

sour shadow
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Hopefully that's a Sengled Zigbee bulb

mighty river
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nah it's an innr zigbee bulb

sour shadow
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Ah well, then you've been screwing up your Zigbee mesh all this time

mighty river
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why hopeful for a sengled bulb and why have i been screwing up the mesh?

sour shadow
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Because Sengled bulbs aren't routers

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And, you've been turning off a router for your mesh

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That means that your devices are continually having to work around a changing mesh as you turn it on and off

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Some devices take hours (or may never) re-route

mighty river
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oh... yeah that's awkward. and I was working on the assumption that i've done the proper thing with those fibaro smart switches that they don't turn off the electricity completely but just "toggle" the signal....

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hmm just thinking how to salvage this. can i somehow set the fibaro smart switches to just send a signal instead of physically cutting the power on/off when they're triggered, thereby toggling the light bulbs via the protocols?

last ruin
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Yey. Figured it out. database.db was missing "} in the end for some reason. Weird stuff. Added that and addon started.

sour shadow
last ruin
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Hmm... after latest Z2M addon I have 3 IKEA devices asking for update in HA. They want to update from version 2.3.080 to 587728433. Hitting update does nothing. Wth? 🙂

sour shadow
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What version number of Z2M?

last ruin
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1.29.0-1

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When checking OTA tab in Z2M it looks like those devices have an update pending. Not able to update there though... just says 'device didn't respond to OTA request'. I guess I need to be home to physically wake it up before I do the update.

sour shadow
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If it's battery powered then yes

last ruin
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New feature that HA itself reports an update is available?

sour shadow
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"New" ... in the last few months

nova flint
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Fixed in dev version, but 😄

last ruin
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Ah, thank you.

glossy lintel
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yes I wanted to ask this here :à)

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can I use a usb hub as extender to plug my sonoff zigbee key ?

sour shadow
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Yes, but no, but yes

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USB 2.0 hub, sure

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USB 3.0 hub, well pins

glossy lintel
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ok so usb3 is a no go

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thanks

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...

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the key is indeed not detected anymore under z2m

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...

sour shadow
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If you want to use a USB 3.0 hub you still need to use an extension cable between the hub and the stick

glossy lintel
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ok then it's worthless

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I'll simply try an extension cable

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but I'm quite afraid about z2m, it lost the 5 devices I paired so far

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loosing 1, I'd get that, but loosing the 5 of them

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other question

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can I plug the key on a usb port 3.0 anyway ?

sour shadow
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Sure, with an extension cable

glossy lintel
#

ok, so in short, for now I see this

# 
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Salle a manger - senseur temperature et humidité sonoff', payload '{"battery":100,"humidity":55.78,"linkquality":105,"temperature":20.05,"voltage":3200}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Cuisine - senseur température et humidité sonoff', payload '{"battery":100,"humidity":59.66,"linkquality":58,"temperature":20.3,"voltage":3300}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Cave - buanderie - interrupteur sonoff', payload '{"linkquality":87,"power_on_behavior":"previous","state":"ON","update":{"installed_version":"1.1.1","state":"idle"},"update_available":false}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Cave - Grande cave - interrupteur sonoff', payload '{"linkquality":61,"power_on_behavior":"previous","state":"ON","update":{"installed_version":-1,"latest_version":-1,"state":null},"update_available":null}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Salon - senseur température et humidité sonoff', payload '{"battery":100,"humidity":45.31,"linkquality":112,"temperature":25.38,"voltage":3100}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2023-01-02 14:32:39: Zigbee2MQTT started!
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-01-02 14:41:09: Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Cave - buanderie - interrupteur sonoff' failed: 'Error: Command 0x00124b00257a0f79/1 genOnOff.off({}, ````
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it's strange, as it looks like the sensors do update z2m

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but I cannot query anything from the webui

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my switches (on/off) even started blinking again, which means they are in pairing mode again, right ?

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actually, even trying to REMOVE a device brings me this error :

# 
error 2023-01-02 14:44:31Request 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/device/remove' failed with error: 'Failed to remove device 'Cave - buanderie - interrupteur sonoff' (block: false, force: false) (Error: AREQ - ZDO - mgmtLeaveRsp after 10000ms)'
info 2023-01-02 14:44:31MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/response/device/remove', payload '{"data":{},"error":"Failed to remove device 'Cave - buanderie - interrupteur sonoff' (block: false, force: false) (Error: AREQ - ZDO - mgmtLeaveRsp after 10000ms)","status":"error","transaction":"y3e21-1"}'`````
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I have to check "force remove" to get rid of it

sour shadow
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Is it an end device? Battery powered...

glossy lintel
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nope

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it is a power switch

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the first one is located at max 1m from my HA server

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now I forced unpairing it

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and it is not discovered anymore...

# 
info 2023-01-02 14:49:00MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/response/permit_join', payload '{"data":{"time":254,"value":true},"status":"ok","transaction":"brj89-4"}'`````
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and thats about it....

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damn I don't get it

mighty river
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Good morning,
i have a custom CC2652P device with 8 endpoints of Smart Plug type, each one exposes its energy attribute (the devices are connected to a Z2M instance with a custom external converter), but in my MQTT integration i only see 1 energy entity for device

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How could i make it show all the separate entities?

violet dagger
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possibly your external converter isn't telling z2m to create energy entities for HA

wide nimbus
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Can I replace a standard light switch with a zigbee model that’s wired in parallel with another normal one? (Eg just one of the switches at the bottom and top of a staircase)

sour shadow
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Yes, but then you won't know if the light is on or off

wide nimbus
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So in this pretty common situation, I need to buy two switches? And I can keep the existing wiring?

sour shadow
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You put a smart switch module between the switches and the light being controlled

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That or you have the second switch wired to the smart one, so that only the smart one controls the light, and the second switch is just an input

grizzled kettle
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Wiring in parallel sounds a bit iffy to me, I'm not confident its guaranteed a smart switch would not be damaged by applying line voltage to the load terminal when the switch is off. Maybe they're designed for that, but I don't know.

#

Perhaps "in parallel" is not what you meant though. I think you're just describing a 3-way, which is not the same thing as "parallel"

wide nimbus
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I’m probably using the wrong word,m - tbh the wiring confuses me in this situation. I’ve got two separate switches controlling a single light (I thought my staircase example would be a common thing)

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The second switch remaining a dumb one but becoming an input would be ideal

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But as long as I don’t have to change any of the wiring, I’m happy to buy additional switches - just trying to get my head round it!

grizzled kettle
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sorry, yes what you're describing is not parallel, but a 3-way (at least it's called that in U.S., I think in some parts of the world that's known as 2-way...)

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many smart switches should be able to handle that case.

sour shadow
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The problem is with multiple smart switches you'll have to track the actual state of the light separately

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You turn on switch A turning on the light, then you turn on switch B and the light turns off

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Also, it'll get expensive

wide nimbus
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Yeah gotcha - so the “ideal” is to have one one smart switch?

sour shadow
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Well, sort of

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Something like that instead

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Put that between the existing wiring and the light

grizzled kettle
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It's not required to have a module, it can work with a smart switch, it depends on your wiring. Many smart switches can work fine in a 3-way with a dumb switch, and they track the light state correctly. I know zooz do, but that's z-wave. I have less experience with zigbee.

wide nimbus
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That brilliant info - I’ll look into what specific switches support and the module option

grizzled kettle
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You need to read the manual for the specific switch you're looking at to understand the 3-way wiring options.

hollow chasm
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There are 3-way smart switches that allow for a dumb switch (e.g. Wemo), but not all brands support doing that. Others will require a smart switch and an "add-on switch" which is basically there to complete the circuit and send a signal back to the "real" switch

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Jasco sells 3-way Zigbee and Z-Wave switches that require the "add-on switch" to operate properly, for example

wide nimbus
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Thanks a lot everyone!

hollow chasm
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It's clearly possible for a 3-way switch to work fine with a dumb switch, so the only explanation I can come up with as to why they require an add-on switch is to milk you for more money

grizzled kettle
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I do believe there are some possible advantages to using an addon. For one in the smart+dumb case, it may not work for all possible ways the house could be wired, or it may force you to locate the smart switch in only one of the multiple locations. If you have an addon you should be able to locate the smart switch in any of the locations. Some people may prefer the dimmer switch in a specific spot.

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But yes usually it is more expensive for addons.

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In theory an addon could also support dimming, which a dumb switch couldn't. I don't know if any do though.

hollow chasm
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Yeah for a dimmer you'd definitely need the addon, though I don't know many use cases where you'd care about a dimmer on a 3-way since it tends to just be stairs, entryways, etc that you're putting a 3-way to meet code

grizzled kettle
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My kitchen has a 3-way on both sides, would be nice to be able to dim from both. Could always just buy two smart switches I guess.

hardy osprey
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I have several Aqara temperature sensors... but one of them won't reconnect after being offline for a while... any tips?

austere patio
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How long is "a while"?

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And why was it offline to begin with?

hardy osprey
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well, now it has been a few weeks...

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it lost connection due to poor signal strenght i guess... (it was inside a fridge :))

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a have another one in there that works pretty fine...

austere patio
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Ah. Have you tried changing its battery?

hardy osprey
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yep, and re-pairing it... never shows up...

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it seems to work as the other ones though... same blinking as when i pair one of the others

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But never shows up in ha...

austere patio
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How are you joining it? Holding down the button until after the third blink, then letting go and just waiting?

hardy osprey
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Yes

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Which worked before... and does on the handful of others i have

carmine hamlet
hardy osprey
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I find it a bit weird...

carmine hamlet
austere patio
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I don't use Z2M so I can't say why that is missing, but it's a standard ZCL attribute

carmine hamlet
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hmm, okay. odd that I see it for the Ikea plug, but not the others

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ah, it's specified in the converter, and it's missing for the TR plugs

lilac wharf
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yeah, i was just about to say that heh

# 
        toZigbee: extend.switch().toZigbee.concat([tz.power_on_behavior]),
        fromZigbee: extend.switch().fromZigbee.concat([fz.power_on_behavior]),
        exposes: extend.switch().exposes.concat([exposes.enum('power_on_behavior', ea.ALL, ['off', 'previous', 'on', 'toggle'])
            .withDescription('Controls the behaviour when the device is powered on')]),
hollow chasm
carmine hamlet
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yeah, I was going to say that it's probably already dead 💀

slow trench
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Good afternoon all. Any TRV / UI experts in? I have added a bunch of Moes TRVs (MoesHY368_Type1new) into HA (latest build as of today) and some have a range of 7-30 C which is perfect. Others have a range of 7-300 C which is not exactly perfect. Looks like there is some kind of multiplier at work but I cannot find where that is set / stored. Any idea how to get the 7-300 C TRVs back to a reasonable range? Signature files look the same for a 7-30 C TRV and a 7-300 C...
I have integrated with ZHA, would I be better off migrating everything to Zigbee2MQTT, for these devices to integrate uniformly?

unborn orbit
jovial plume
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I updated Z2M from 1.28.4-1 to 1.29.0 and now it won't start, and this is the error I'm getting: https://pastebin.com/2D5vaCD3
I think it's related to this unsupported device added to external_converters (https://pastebin.com/jDADqttU), but what about the 1.29.0 update broke this? I looked at the changelog and nothing stood out

sour shadow
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Well, the easy test is to remove the converter and try again

hollow chasm
# 
The Aqara Temperature and Humidity Sensor is suitable for indoor use. We do not recommend using the sensor in the refrigerator.
Normal operating temperature:-20 to 50°C (-4 to122°F); humidity: 0~100%, non-condensing environment.
Do not expose the sensor to rain or vapor. Do not install the sensor in the refrigerator, kitchen or bathroom.
limber gate
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sorry fcor being such a noob about it, but do I have to flash tasmota to all my sonoff devices to get them to work with zigbee2mqtt

carmine hamlet
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low voltage + moisture is usually a death sentence for sensors

sour shadow
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If you've bought Zigbee devices then they'll work with Z2M (at least as well as any of Sonoff's sensors work)

limber gate
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for example, I have sonoff dualm3 switch, and my Zigbee2mqtt doesn't recognize it when in pairing mode, should i do something besides just putting it in pairing mode?

sour shadow
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Got a link to the product page for that device?

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I can only see the dualR3

limber gate
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sorry, made a mistake

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it's dualr3

sour shadow
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Right ...

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Did you read the product description?

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Dual Relay Wi-Fi Smart Switch

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That's not a Zigbee device

limber gate
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ahh, i thought sonoff and zigbee are same thing

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i guess not

sour shadow
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No... not even close

hollow chasm
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Sonoff makes Zigbee stuff, but not exclusively

sour shadow
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They're probably better known for their WiFi hardware

jade cargo
limber gate
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so i do have to flash it right ?

sour shadow
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It's never going to work with Zigbee2MQTT

#

You can't turn a WiFi device into a Zigbee device like that

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You can flash it with Tasmota (in this case) and use the Tasmota integration with it

limber gate
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so if i buy zigbee devices then it should work with zigbee2mqtt without doing anything else, right?

strange ibex
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I've flashed that device with tasmota before, it's very ideal if you want to control the relay in HA. As long as you have a stable connection, everything will work as you'd want. It even has some fancier controls for momentary stuff on the device.

sour shadow
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If you want to buy something that "just works" buy something on that list

limber gate
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okay, thank you

#

one more question

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sonoff zigbee 3.0 usb dongle plus is used for what exactly? Only for zigbee devices?

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because you need that for zigbee2mqtt if im correct

strange ibex
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that is a zigbee coordinator. only zigbee devices will connect to it.

limber gate
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okay

#

thanks guys

sour shadow
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The TL/DR is that anything for Zigbee2MQTT (other than the little MQTT bit) is for/about Zigbee

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As the name hints, it's for "connecting" Zigbee devices to MQTT, allowing other things (like HA) to use those devices

carmine hamlet
# lilac wharf ``` toZigbee: extend.switch().toZigbee.concat([tz.power_on_behavior]), ...

Woohoo, works!

    {
        zigbeeModel: ['3RSP019BZ'],
        model: '3RSP019BZ',
        vendor: 'Third Reality',
        description: 'Zigbee / BLE smart plug',
        extend: extend.switch(),
        ota: ota.zigbeeOTA,
        configure: async (device, coordinatorEndpoint, logger) => {
            const endpoint = device.getEndpoint(1);
            await reporting.bind(endpoint, coordinatorEndpoint, ['genOnOff']);
            await reporting.onOff(endpoint);
        },
        toZigbee: extend.switch().toZigbee.concat([tz.power_on_behavior]),
        fromZigbee: extend.switch().fromZigbee.concat([fz.power_on_behavior]),
        exposes: [e.switch(), e.power_on_behavior()],
    },
vast yoke
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I'm getting 401: Unauthorized in Z2MQTT when I try to go into the UI. The addon works and my devices work, and the log doesn't show errors.

I'm not sure when it started, but today I updated it and also I replaced my broadband router (same model and I'd say same settings).

Any ideas?

sour shadow
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If you didn't set that it's a problem with the add-on

vast yoke
sour shadow
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Assuming it's the only problem add-on here should be fine

solar flower
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hey folks, any recommendations/experience on wireless zigbee water valves (excluding sedna) available in EU?

hollow chasm
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Can anybody recommend a reliable wireless dimmer remote? The IKEA Tradfri dimmer seems like a good value but I've seen some people here say that they are prone to issues like rapid battery drain for no apparent reason. I'm in the US and use Z2M if that helps

violet dagger
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I got two square ones from IKEA, no drain

hollow chasm
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hmm, I had done some searches here and Rosemary had mentioned drain when they're not paired to their hub. Maybe it's only certain buttons?

still saffron
molten linden
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they work with ZHA out of the box as well, no quirk needed and none of the typical tuya noneense.

rapid dew
mighty river
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I'm having a little bit of trouble with my Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 dongle plus. I have flashed it and installed the most up to date firmware, but when I plug the dongle into my home assistant (pi 4) it all falls down. Home Assistant discovers it and when I tap configure I get a prompt to choose the network settings for the radio. I am just starting, so currently I don't have any other devices to Restore, so I tap on erase network settings and form a new network. Then she bugs out and it just says error. I tried tapping upload a manual backup but I have nothing to upload. Any help with this would be fantastic

twin gazelle
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What is the absolute best co-ordinator money can buy?

twin gazelle
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oops that z2m not the firmware

mighty river
twin gazelle
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are you using ZHA or Z2M?

mighty river
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ZHA is the one that is discovered

twin gazelle
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I've not used ZHA so cant assist on that front, it tends to be less reliable than Z2M, most people around tend to install Z2M which bypasses ZHA and tends to work well.

mighty river
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OK, fair enough. I'll give that sucker a go

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Thank you

twin gazelle
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np

mighty river
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Is it an intigration?

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Sorry, but I'm super new to home assistant

twin gazelle
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you have to add it as an integration click the link i provided above and it should give you instructions

sour shadow
twin gazelle
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I assume you mean tubeszb?

sour shadow
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How many devices do you have on the mesh?

twin gazelle
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i dont remember the exact number but i think it's around 50

sour shadow
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Is that all?

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I have about 80 to 90 on my Sonoff P, zero stability issues (other than Z2M shitting the bed last night, but a restart cleared that)

twin gazelle
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mine hasn't worked in almost 2 months and i've reset all the devices and issues persist, it's gotten even worse over the last week when my bulbs have stopped working and i hadn't touched it, i've not logged into the box to look into that yet as i was too ill till this morning

sour shadow
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You've done all the usual things? USB extension cable? Checked for WiFi interference? etc ettc

twin gazelle
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yep

raven jewel
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Changed channel?

twin gazelle
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Pretty sure I tried that, but will try a diffrent one when i get the chance

raven jewel
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Check what channel your Wi-Fi is on and if you can scan for other networks check those too. Then avoid all of them.

twin gazelle
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pretty sure my wifi is on 11

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and I think ZigBee is on something like 23

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whatever the optimum number was for around that space

sour shadow
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Hopefully those numbers aren't what you're really using

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Zigbee should generally be on 15, 20, or 25 (or maybe 26 in Europe)

twin gazelle
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looks like the usb stopped working right on my server the other day which is why the lightbulbs went down, wating on it rebooting then i'll check the channel, whatever number it is, i used what was recommended in the docs

sour shadow
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usb stopped working
ablobconfused

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That's ... very not normal

#

If that's the whole USB bus it's time to replace the server

#

If that's just the USB stick time to replace that... but hardware failure of those is exceedingly uncommon (once you're past the CC253x sticks)

twin gazelle
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it seems to be the id of the usb device has changed rather than a usb error, as when i did lsusb i saw everything there, but it's not finding the usb id that was previously working it seems, currently debugging

sour shadow
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Well, at least it looks like the source of your problems is clear

raven jewel
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Aren't you using the serial id?

twin gazelle
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not necisarily, as the usb issue only just happened ruling out a usb hardware failure, the original issue is still in place

twin gazelle
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the issue is the id on the host machine

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I think

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looking to see what it was previously on the host so i can check it

sour shadow
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What do you mean id?

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Are you talking about /dev/ttyUSB0 or the /dev/serial/by-id/ path?

twin gazelle
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so it looks like i was using serial on the host machine

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/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_e2f09d4e57c9eb11aaaa8b4f1d69213e-if00-port0:/dev/ttyACM0

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but it's not showing for some reason, ugh

sour shadow
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Well, if that left hand side changes you've got either a broken stick, or a broken host

twin gazelle
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I think it's the stick

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or that port is borked, about to switch it

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serial is gone but lsusb still shows Bus 003 Device 006: ID 10c4:ea60 Silicon Labs CP210x UART Bridge will switch it over to main pc and see if that sees it there

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and it was channel 25

mighty river
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Oof. Struggling again. Zigbee2MQTT won't start. Do I need to configure things?

twin gazelle
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the 2 things you need to do for z2m from what i recall on hass is create a user and provide the details to z2m config and set the device id of your dongle, which should be under /dev/serial/by-id/ on hass

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should look similar to /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_e2f09d4e57c9eb11aaaa8b4f1d69213e-if00-port0

mighty river
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I'll have to have a proper go wonight when I get in from work. Trying to do it on my mobile phone is no fun

sour shadow
tidal portal
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Hi all, are there any recommendations for Zigbee smart plugs with energy monitoring? Most I'm finding state they are Wi-Fi which from my limited understanding is completely different. Or am I actually better off getting those instead?

sour shadow
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What country are you in?

tidal portal
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Should have stated, apologies. UK

sour shadow
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Salus SP600 does, as does Hive's plug

tidal portal
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Never heard of Salus so I'll check those out. Many thanks!

sour shadow
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I prefer the SP600 over the huge Hive

tidal portal
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Amazing, thanks!

rancid bolt
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Got a mqtt question, is it possible to use data extracted from z2m with mqtt: dump after mqtt: publish "get" in an automation.

I am trying to get mqqt to send a melinera light string (lidl) its state (in effect mode) so i can go back to the latest effect it was in before i changed it to lets say warm white?

hoary gulch
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Hi all, it's a question on the cusp between hardware and Zigbee, so I hope I won't be chastised for it.
I am seeking a good air quality zigbee sensors (mandatory CO2, good to have PM2.5,VOC,etc.).

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What are you using at home? If it's not Zigbee the next best thing is Wifi.

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I know there are offerings from Tuya, with some issues of late, but anything worth recommending?

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Please @ me when responding.

hoary gulch
raven jewel
hoary gulch
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I'll have a look at the netatmo

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Indeed I did look at the supported devices, but even though the Tuya looks sweet for a low price, they are reported all over to have issues.

raven jewel
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I do like my Aqara sensor from the second list, it doesn't do CO2, but you could always try the #diy-archived route with ESPHome for getting exactly what you want

hoary gulch
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In my case I have mostly everything else from other sensors, but want to control my HVAC system incoming air based on CO2 levels, so it's a mandatory measurement

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I was researching ESPHome route already

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Need to find a sensibly priced sensor combination though, and so far wasn't able due to the electronics market crash.

prime dove
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Anyone have a working zigbee configuration running with SkyConnect? I tryed to migrate my ZHA config from Conbee2 to SkyConnect.

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But the zigbee devices doesn't work anymore after migrate

austere patio
prime dove
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It looks like alle divices are not working Ikea Tradfri bulps and motion sensors. No I haven't upgrade the COnbee firmware, is that necessary?

austere patio
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Do you receive sensor updates?

prime dove
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good question, I have rolled back to Conbee, but I can try the migration again

austere patio
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And is the SkyConnect connected via a USB extension cable?

prime dove
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yes

austere patio
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For the migration, did you run the ZHA migration flow?

prime dove
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first time yes, 2nt try I delete conbee and inserting SkyConnect and than I used the autodetect SkyConnect and load old configuration dialog

austere patio
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The "restore an automatic backup" option, or the "use existing settings on the stick" option?

prime dove
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use existiong config

austere patio
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Ah. Next time, restore the backup.

prime dove
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First I try to upgrade the conbee firmware?

austere patio
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Yes. The old Conbee firmware doesn't allow all of the settings to be migrated, so you may issues controlling some devices after the fact

prime dove
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ok

austere patio
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But regardless of the firmware version, you should be able to receive sensor updates if the migration was successful (no reason for it not to be)

prime dove
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now upgraded to the newest conbee2 firmware. Which way is the best to migrate to SkyConnect, using the migrate dialog at the ZHA config or remove - wait for detect the SkyConnect and load there an old backup config?

austere patio
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Plug in the SkyConnect and click the "Migrate" button in ZHA's config

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Then follow the instructions to migrate to the new radio. It'll reset the SkyConnect and ask you to restore an automatic backup. Which ones are show?

prime dove
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uhh some trouble... I need to restart the HA, he couldn't reset the "old" device "Unknown error occurred"

austere patio
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Odd. No need to restart HA (unless you're running it in a VM or something), the migration is stateless

prime dove
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no vm, I have the HAblue

twin gazelle
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so co-ordinator is working, still doesnt show under serial by-id but it does exist as /dev/ttyUSB0 and that doesn't appear to be a symlink so changed the mapping in docker to that and it's working again, but the original issues are still to be resolved

south moth
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The new Sonoff usb 3 Plus keeps loosing an ikea signal repeater on another floor. Is it normal for Sonoff? I start suspecting smth is wrong with my HA OS installation.

sour shadow
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Well, that's usually a sign that:

  1. You've not put it on a USB extension cable
  2. You've got interference
  3. The signal is weak at the Ikea end
prime dove
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I loaded the last backup

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but noting, I cannot switch the lights

austere patio
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You've got a lot of backups, each for a different network

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I suspect the one you want is from December 25th

prime dove
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Since 2-3 weeks I‘ll try to get the SkyConnect working …

dull quartz
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Hey everyone! Finally received my Sky Connect today! YAY! 🥳
I was coming from a Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 Plus v2 (Dongle-E I think) and ZHA.
In ZHA I did download a backup, and then a migrate radio operation. Was asked to upload a backup and did. Changed the IEEE for the new radio (SC), unplugged the old Sonoff Dongle and restarted. I still have not gotten any errors or warnings, but none of my Zigbee devices are responding.... Any steps I missed??

austere patio
dull quartz
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Sure...

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The first backup had this entry:

        "children": [
            "00:0b:57:ff:fe:e7:24:c6"
        ],

whereas the latest backup (after migration):

        "children": [],
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Otherwise identical

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Actually...

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The first backup also has an entry more under nwk_addresses:

        "nwk_addresses": {
            "00:3c:84:ff:fe:d4:48:9b": "9DCE",
            "60:a4:23:ff:fe:7e:b6:9b": "2E70",
            "00:0b:57:ff:fe:e7:24:c6": "D7BF"

versus

        "nwk_addresses": {
            "00:0b:57:ff:fe:4b:d1:92": "AD2C",
            "60:a4:23:ff:fe:7e:b6:9b": "2E70"
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Not sure what this indicates, if anything at all...?

austere patio
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As long as the network key, PAN ID, extended PAN ID, and channel (should be 15) are the same, the migration worked fine

dull quartz
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All keys are identical...

austere patio
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Is the old stick unplugged?

dull quartz
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Removed from VM, but still plugged.... I can unplug it! Maybe other devices still sees it and refuses to migrate over?

austere patio
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And is the SkyConnect plugged into its provided USB extension cable?

dull quartz
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It is! 😉

austere patio
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Yes, you definitely want to unplug the old coordinator if you did the manual backup/restore route

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As right now, both are broadcasting the same network settings

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Unplug the new one too for a few seconds, then plug it back in

dull quartz
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Lets see what happens now...

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Nope... Still the same... No errors/warnings and no action!

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But in the logs I see stuff like this:

[0x457E](TRADFRI Driver 30W): Device seen - marking the device available and resetting counter
[0x457E](TRADFRI Driver 30W): Update device availability -  device available: True - new availability: True - changed: False
Received a packet: ZigbeePacket(src=AddrModeAddress(addr_mode=<AddrMode.NWK: 2>, address=0xE12F), src_ep=0, dst=AddrModeAddress(addr_mode=<AddrMode.Broadcast: 15>, address=<BroadcastAddress.ALL_ROUTERS_AND_COORDINATOR: 65532>), dst_ep=0, source_route=None, extended_timeout=False, tsn=143, profile_id=0, cluster_id=0, data=Serialized[b'\xbe#,\xf8\xfe\xff\xdb\xb4\x84\x00\x00'], tx_options=<TransmitOptions.NONE: 0>, radius=0, non_member_radius=0, lqi=216, rssi=-46)
[0xe12f:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.NWK_addr_req: [84:b4:db:ff:fe:f8:2c:23, <AddrRequestType.Single: 0>, 0]
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So there is some communication going on...?

austere patio
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Yeah, the coordinator is seeing traffic. Can you enable debug logging (click the three dot dropdown menu on the ZHA integration), let it run for a few minutes and try to toggle a few lights, then disable it? It should download a file.

dull quartz
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Not sure why, but after yet another reboot and unplug/plug, it started working!

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Thanks for the input! 🙂

austere patio
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Seems like the two coordinators running at the same time were the problem

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The EZSP ones (like you're using) automatically start working when powered, even if nothing is talking to them

dull quartz
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Oh... Nice to know!

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FWIW, is there a better route for people coming from Sonoff and migrating to SC?

austere patio
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The "Migrate" button in ZHA's config has two paths: a migration and a re-configuration

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If you plug in the SkyConnect and click the button, it'll reset the old radio and migrate to the new one (avoiding the two-radios-running-at-the-same-time problem)

prime dove
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It looks like the aqara motion sensor works with SkyConnect

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The IKEA motion sensors too

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but not the lights

floral plinth
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So is it true you still have to pair routers first to the coordinator then pair end devices to the routers? Or does ZHA and zigbee just know to recompute routes that are best?

austere patio
floral plinth
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I see, so if I didn't do that then I should probably just remove everything and re-pair?

sour shadow
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Not every end device will re-route later, so you should always make things as easy as possible on them

floral plinth
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None of my end devices are routers

sour shadow
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Well, duh

floral plinth
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Haha

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Didn't think about that till I typed it

carmine hamlet
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isn't that the definition of an end device?

floral plinth
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Yep, my bad

sour shadow
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Remember to pair all Xiaomi devices through a chosen router, not by all

floral plinth
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Is there value in repairing everything?

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I've added routers since

sour shadow
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Depends on the devices you have

floral plinth
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End devices are all sengled bulbs

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It seems like 5-10 go offline every 24 hours or so

sour shadow
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Zigbee 3.0 devices are more likely to re-route than Zigbee 1.2 devices, but it's all so very brand specific

floral plinth
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So trying to see how to fix or troubleshoot that

austere patio
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Try disconnecting the coordinator for an hour and rebooting the bulbs

sour shadow
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Coordinator is on an extension cable?
You've picked a Zigbee channel clear of active WiFi?

floral plinth
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Yes

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puddly helped me figure that one out last week.

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Always been on an extension cable

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How do you tell if a Sengled bulb is Zigbee 3.0?

sour shadow
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Probably they're all 1.2, but that doesn't mean they won't re-route

prime dove
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I'm going back to conbee2. The SkyConnect doesn't work for me

austere patio
placid heron
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Hey together, how can I change the network key of my ZigBee network?

  • Home Assistant: 2022.12.9
  • Supervisor 2022.12.1
  • Operating System 9.4
  • Frontend 20221213.1 - latest

I'm using a Texas Instruments - LAUNCHXL-CC26X2R1 for ZigBee.

I know that I have to re-pairing all devices after changing the network key, but I don't find the option for changing the network key.

sour shadow
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Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

placid heron
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ZHA

ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2
von ZHA

sour shadow
floral plinth
placid heron
sour shadow
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I don't use ZHA, so ... no

placid heron
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Okay 🙂 Thank you!

molten linden
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I think the easiest way to do it currently, would be to download a backup, modify it in the backup file, and then restore the modified backup

floral plinth
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Alright, my shut off and reboot lights doesn't seem to have worked. Nothing is wokring

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Is there an easy way to just destroy and re-pair everything?

main mural
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Hello! I've seen various GitHub issues about Zigbee light status not syncing up correctly, specifically when they're controlled in zigbee groups and I can replicate on both installations I've got one, one with over a hundred devices, the other currently with only 7

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Has anyone figured out a good workaround? The lights do actually seem to work correctly when controlled in groups, it's just frustrating that they show the wrong status in HA

austere patio
main mural
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Correct

austere patio
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How many lights are in the group?

main mural
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Just the 7! We use HA in our office and I thought I'd bite the bullet and start moving some of my home stuff over, starting with the drive.

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But yeah, same problem at work. I just found it surprising it's an issue with 7 lights as that feels very much like what a typical user would have.

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But whyyyyyyy

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("All Lights" is a Zigbee group)

mighty river
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@twin gazelle
Just wanted to say a big thank you for the advice earlier. Pretty sure I got Zigbee2MQTT working now. Now I just need to buy sum zigbee devices

main mural
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That was going to my next Q: Is Zigbee2MQTT considered more stable than ZHA?

sour shadow
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Not really

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Bananas vs Oranges

main mural
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Fair! A cursory glance suggested a few things like OTA might be less awful using Zigbee2MQTT

sour shadow
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I think it's mostly personal preference (I run Z2M)

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ZHA wins when a device complies with the Zigbee standards ||which is damned rare||

Z2M has a bigger user base, and when a new device needs support they usually get it first.

main mural
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I might give Z2M a go as I'm starting basically from scratch here anyway, just to see what the deal is

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I don't really want to commit my 100ish devices at home to ZHA and then run into the same problems as at work

vale sonnet
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i dont really understand how Z2M is different, but i have been using ZHA for a long time, much enjoy

vapid osprey
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Apologies if I've not seen a post somewhere that deals with this - I did try to search!
I've got Home Assistant OS running on a RPI 4, with the Skyconnect dongle managing ZigBee connections via a USB extension, using ZHA.
My problem is trying to pair a new ZigBee plug - it's within a metre of the other ZigBee plug I'm trying to connect it via (attempting to create a rock solid network with four Woolley SA-003 ZigBee plugs acting as extenders both upstairs and downstairs), but it never gets further than 'starting interview'. I know about the trick of tapping the pairing button on sensors to keep them awake, but since this is plugged in I don't believe it applies.
Any ideas?!

austere patio
main mural
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Ah interesting, I'm using short (0.4) transitions for turn on and 5 seconds for off

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And the problem is worse on turn off

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Which checks out

vale sonnet
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there is no reason to setup SkyConnect rn if i already have a new zigbee 3.0 usb radio working right?

main mural
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Oh this PR is super recent isn't it 😄

austere patio
main mural
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Looking at that PR I'll probably just wait for it to get merged, looks like it'll happen imminently anyway and the other stuff in ZHA is mostly fine

vale sonnet