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grim igloo
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diy with hyperion is so much better

wary cradle
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I didn’t know it was an option

grim igloo
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i know

sterile sleet
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there's also no need for the sync box as long as you get the image to hyperion

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the gradient works fine

wary cradle
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What is Hyperion

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Why do I feel like I know nothing when I thought I had a good grasp of this tech

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🤯

grim igloo
sterile sleet
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hyperion is originally the software to drive leds behind your tv;
nowadays only its successor hyperion-ng is in use
or if you want proper calibrated HDR images for your back lights use HyperHDR

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remember that the first tvs with backlight were PHILIPS Ambilight

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I like my gradient more than any other led installation tbh

grim igloo
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gradient?

sterile sleet
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Hue Gradient

grim igloo
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i use android hyperion grabber app on nvidia shield so no need for hdmi passthru

wary cradle
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Can someone help me with a good google string to do that?

grim igloo
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so just an rgb strip not syncing to screen?

grim igloo
wary cradle
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Cause I love the tv gradient expansion

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I don’t want to ask how do I do that

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So I’m asking what should I google. Something to the effect of “hyperhdr and Phillips hue light strip with home assistant”

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Like

grim igloo
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wow streamable now requires an account to upload?! 😦

sterile sleet
grim igloo
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oh yea i dont like that

wary cradle
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Teach me your ways

grim igloo
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nah check this

sterile sleet
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thats just opnion, I don't like the aggressive change

wary cradle
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That’s a WhatsApp link?

grim igloo
sterile sleet
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you first need to grab the image somehow and then send it to hyperion

dark birch
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would be nice to have an update sensor for zha just for displaying current firmware version, and update progress, even if it doesn't support triggering nor uploading a firmware

misty oasis
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yea, but then tuya has issues, ikea has issues aqara aes issues, hue has issues, i don't think it is weird to give up on the zigbee

grim igloo
misty oasis
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it is not

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on that i give up even faster 😄

grim igloo
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What issues do you have with hue on zha or z2m?

misty oasis
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hue i just added out of spite, i have issues with hue that it is just bad from hw standpoint, at least the ones i tried

gaunt flume
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I am using zigbee2mqtt and I have an issue with the hue motion sensor (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/9290012607.html#philips-9290012607)
It does not report temperature occupancy battery or illuminance.
It does however return things like the motion_sensitivity when I hit that little arrow button.
Log for this:

debug 2022-11-05 17:08:28Publishing get 'get' 'motion_sensitivity' to '0x001788010213909f'
debug 2022-11-05 17:08:29Received Zigbee message from '0x001788010213909f', type 'readResponse', cluster 'msOccupancySensing', data '{"48":2}' from endpoint 2 with groupID 0

Before I used Z2M I used the Hue Hub and I had an automation running within HA that basically disabled/enabled the device with this command:

curl -X PUT -d '{"on":true}' "http://10.107.1.10/api/M5T6vRRWPsM80LtTPbxo6Z1qqp27HKSM1b4CgdBz/sensors/7/config"
curl -X PUT -d '{"on":false}' "http://10.107.1.10/api/M5T6vRRWPsM80LtTPbxo6Z1qqp27HKSM1b4CgdBz/sensors/7/config"

My thinking was, that the motion sensor was turned off by the aforementioned command when I disconnected the device from my hue hub. Is there a way within Zigbee2MQTT where I could send the enable command to see if this resolves my issue?

raven jewel
misty oasis
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but in non of the compatibility database it says it is actually kinda unusable with other then manufaturer's coordinator/gw

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it is not an complain it is more like i want the experience be better for everyone

gaunt flume
smoky tapir
grim igloo
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I don’t know what that means

smoky tapir
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was that your tv in the link above?

grim igloo
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Yes

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It’s also shot at 60fps which I’ve heard makes led videos look worse

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And then compressed with discord

smoky tapir
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which film was it?

grim igloo
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It’s also an old non hdr tv and download

smoky tapir
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(and was it zigbee based? 🙂

grim igloo
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22 jump street I think

smoky tapir
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22 jump street wasn't shot at 60fps

grim igloo
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No this is using wled but we got there from talking about hue hub

grim igloo
smoky tapir
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the video interpolation (motion smoothing) feature on TV's takes a 24/25/30FPS video, and interpolates and creates extra frames. Looks great for sports stuff, horrible in movies.

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here's a youtube example of both options to see how it looks

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anyways, i digress rapidly, back to LED setups, I was looking at picking up some LED strips to play with, but don't know where to start

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(not for TV sync)

grim igloo
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Search ws2812b here I schooled a guy in #diy-archived not too long ago

grand lynx
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Question: i have a sonoff zigbee bridge 3.0 flashed with tasmota software. I want to connect zigbee2mqtt with this bridge using tcp. But i can’t get it operational.. any help would be nice 👍

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Config:

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data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt socat: enabled: false master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777 slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5 options: "-d -d" log: false mqtt: {} serial: serial: port: tcp://192.168.2.21:8888 adapter: ezsp

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Log:

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[18:26:12] INFO: Preparing to start... [18:26:12] INFO: Socat not enabled [18:26:13] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT... Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2022-11-05.18-26-17' filename: log.txt Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.28.2 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.68) Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Failed to start zigbee Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Exiting... Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-05 18:26:17: Error: spawn udevadm ENOENT at Process.ChildProcess._handle.onexit (node:internal/child_process:283:19) at onErrorNT (node:internal/child_process:478:16) at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:83:21)

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HA and sonoff zigbee bridge are using the same wifi network

lilac wharf
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serial:
  serial:
    port: tcp://192.168.2.21:8888
    adapter: ezsp
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Should be

serial:
  port: tcp://192.168.2.21:8888
  adapter: ezsp
grim igloo
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What’s the benefit or use case for it to be flashed with tasmota instead of traditional fw with z2m?

grand lynx
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Z2m?

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I like zigbee2mqtt a lot, is that possible with z2m?

grim igloo
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Z2m is Zigbee2mqtt

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Oh are you using a Wi-Fi bridge?

grand lynx
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Thanks, double serial: line 😀

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Corrected, it works now 😀

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I am using the sonoff zigbee v3.0 bridge (wifi). Flashed with tasmota, works great now! Thanks!! Stupid mistake 🤣

grim igloo
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You might consider not using a coordinator over Wi-Fi

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It’s not really suggested here

lilac wharf
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Yeah it's not a great choice (as the z2m docs also warn)

grim igloo
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@grand lynx boop

mellow geode
smoky tapir
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is there any purpose of sonoff bridge with tasmota over a usb dongle on HA? Beyond location, etc? You are basically just taking zigbees commands and encapsulating over TCP (and wireless), instead of directly running them into the computer over usb, correct?

grim igloo
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Seems silly right?

molten linden
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Network connected coordinators are also easier to bring into some virtual environments vs usb pass through. WiFi is not a good idea though. hence why I started making the the coordinators I make

grim igloo
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What’s the eta on PoE in stock again? Week or so?

molten linden
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Monday or Tuesday unless the shipment gets held up

unborn orbit
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If a zigbee switch is directly bound to a series of lights, and one of the lights drops off the network that switch should be able to still control that light, correct?

raven jewel
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It depends on what "drops off the network" means.

unborn orbit
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loses communication on z2m; "offline" per z2m

raven jewel
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While the binding should still work, I'd look at fixing the problem of the device dropping offline.

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Because it could be reporting offline due to it having no power

unborn orbit
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it doesn't lose power. it's a 3 bulb vanity light. ecolink bulbs. they randomly drop off for some reason

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i've placed a router in the same room, same issue

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was hoping that having direct binding i wouldn't have to worry about them dropping off

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but that didn't work as planned

full dock
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Hi, I've got a generic Zigbee question: Do bindings work indefinitely when the coordinator is down or is there a time limit?

raven jewel
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They work indefinitely

raven jewel
turbid drum
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What's a good lqi for zigbee devices?

mellow geode
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if it works: good
if it doesn't work: not good

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The LQI is calculated differently per device/manufacturer and doesn't necessarily reflect how good a device is actually connected. 255 is the theoretical max but if one device reports that, it's lying (not calculating properly)

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So, I wouldn't worry what the numbers show

turbid drum
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I just have device that keeps disconnecting recently... And, trying to troubleshoot the mesh, or... The network... Or... Whatever is causing it.

mellow geode
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What device is it?

turbid drum
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Hue outdoor sensor

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Battery powered

mellow geode
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Yeah. Do you know if it's a first-gen sensor (SML002) or a second gen (SML004)?

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Also, do you have any Tuya devices on your network? They sometime blackhole traffic

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OSRAM devices also randomly do that

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Oh and, what coordinator are you using? (and what firmware is running on it?)

turbid drum
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Give me a min to gather info.

misty oasis
mellow geode
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huh, do you remember what model of light that was?

misty oasis
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noise meaning actual noise, not electrical noise, could be heard 10 meters over , other lights make the buzzing noise to sometimes, but it is not really noticeable

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it was some rgb panel i will try to find it

mellow geode
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possibly the Hue Aurelle?

misty oasis
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Surimu

mellow geode
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ah yeah, I've also heard about that issue

raven jewel
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IKEA have the Floalt which is similar to the Aurelle if that helps

mellow geode
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Gen2 GU10 spots had a very fine whining noise at the beginning too when on specific brightness levels. A software update solved that issue

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Otherwise, contact support and they'll send you a replacement

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via Twitter direct messages or telephone

misty oasis
mellow geode
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meh, the noise does seem to be vey common on that model. if you still have it, make sure the firmware is up-to-date (can be updated via Hue Bridge/ZHA/Z2M/deCONZ or possibly via Bluetooth).

misty oasis
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After today i will do espHome where there is 240v wire, where there I need batteries i do not know, i will try to find soe bluetooth solution or wait for one from bt home

misty oasis
turbid drum
mellow geode
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seems to be the first-gen sensor (not sure why Z2M doesn't show the Zigbee model id)

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OSRAM/Tuya (and possibly also IKEA devices) might cause issues

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I also have a first-gen sensor but don't have any problems with it (using ZHA though)

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Also, did you ever update the firmware on your dongle?

turbid drum
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  • Tuya devices (don't think so)
  • OSRAM devices (don't think so)
unborn orbit
turbid drum
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I don't think so

mellow geode
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that might help. but first, when the sensor disconnects, does it come back on its own or do you have to pair it again?

turbid drum
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I had to go outside, push the button on the back....

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the red led is flashing when I go out to check

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I didn't have to remove it, and it seems, pushing the button resolved it... but, I did bring it inside too.

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how do I find my controller firmware?

mellow geode
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Z2M might show it somewhere but I don't know, since I'm not using it

turbid drum
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Zigbee2MQTT version: 1.28.2 commit: unknown
Coordinator type: zStack3x0
Coordinator revision: 20210708
Frontend version: 0.6.114

mellow geode
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not sure if that'll help though

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since the sensor is now inside, is it working properly or too early to tell?

turbid drum
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seems to be working

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I took it down, pushed the button on the back, and I think that woke it up or something...

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I looked at my mesh, and it's connected to a hue bulb that's not very close to it... so... that's strange

mellow geode
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it should automatically connect to a new bulb at some point

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(also, the visualization in Z2M isn't in real-time)

turbid drum
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I just installed a new wired node between it at the coordinator... maybe that'll help

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I also wonder if cold weather will impact it... (I live in a cold state)

grim igloo
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Instead it’s been suggested to pair it again

turbid drum
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I have tried pairing it again, and it dropped... again. 😦

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thinking of adding more bulbs around... should I stick with hue?

grim igloo
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Btw when turning on permit join are you selecting the closest bulb or switch from the drop down?

grim igloo
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My mesh is almost all hue bulbs with a few sensors

warped pebble
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they're not as fancy as hue but my ikea bulbs have been fine

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i'm 2/3rds hue 1/3rds ikea

grim igloo
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People have said here that the ikea die more frequently than hue

turbid drum
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I currently have mostly hue bulbs, and some lifx

sterile sleet
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early gen hue are shitty routers, they have too small memory

turbid drum
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that could be part of the problem then.

warped pebble
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@grim igloo die as in like, fully give up the ghost and stop working or fail to pass zigbee messages

grim igloo
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Haven’t heard that before.. how early?

sterile sleet
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gen1 / gen2

grim igloo
warped pebble
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damn, it wouldn't totally surprise me they're 1/4 the price of hue

grim igloo
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Like 2-3 years?

warped pebble
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but so far mine have been fine

lilac wharf
grim igloo
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From specific manufacturers?

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I’d have to search to find exactly what puddly said

lilac wharf
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Off the top of my head, Xfinity and Linkind reroute quickly

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About 10 seconds or so. I did a test a while ago where I took their parent offline and then opened the door. About 10 seconds later, I saw the state change come through

grim igloo
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I know I’ve read aqara battery devices don’t like to update routes and suggested to re pair if you move them

lilac wharf
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Those are known to be "sticky," yeah. They do reroute rarely though

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Supposedly

turbid drum
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anybody in here have experience with the emulated hue bridge?

I'm wondering if I can use that to re-gain the hue light sync functionality I lost when I ditched the hub in lieu of z2m for my hue.

mellow geode
mellow geode
grim igloo
lilac wharf
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I should check which color+white ones I'm using with z2m. It's only two and they're on the edge of the network though

grim igloo
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But yea good to know only really old hue have that issue

mellow geode
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the memory thing isn't entirely true IIRC. it might have been fixed with a firmware update

grim igloo
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not to say they're all bad

turbid drum
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Anybody on the emulated hue bridge?

lilac wharf
mellow geode
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found it haha

molten linden
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On a freeway in Los Angeles? 😂

gaunt flume
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Have another question though: Has anybody used this switch and can tell me if the indicator light is always on or if it only lights up briefly when you activate the switch?
Edit: This switch https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0001.html

turbid drum
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Anybody use these?
Lutron Aurora Smart Bulb Dimmer Switch

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do they work with HA?

turbid drum
turbid drum
molten linden
turbid drum
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I use z2m, will that work too?

gaunt flume
turbid drum
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I haven't use it.

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though, many of the switches/sensors I've used that have an led indicator light, usually have the option to turn it off.

grim igloo
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where are you seeing that?

gaunt flume
turbid drum
grim igloo
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ok lol i cant find that

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didnt find it on the z2m device page

turbid drum
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😛

marble summit
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How would you go about doing that? from what I have seen tvservice seems gone.

inner bluff
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Has anyone had issue with innr SP234 plug dropping off the zigbee network ? Wondering if I should switch to Z2M so I can do more ota upgrades ...

gaunt flume
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If you had asked me like 2 days ago if I would recommend the aqara door and window sensor I would have said yes but now I strongly suggest you get another product

raven jewel
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I've never had a problem with them, and I've got about 20 so far

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Every so often you get a dead one, it's unfortunate but it happens with every product

tropic depot
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Some parents won’t hold them

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There is a post in the pins

raven jewel
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I recently had brand new AirPods Pro which were dead on arrival 🤷‍♀️

tropic depot
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Ouch

raven jewel
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The store swapped them out no question same day. It happens

tropic depot
raven jewel
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It's a bit more difficult via AliExpress, but you can open a case and get it sorted

gaunt flume
inner bluff
raven jewel
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I moved most of mine from the Aqara hub, to a second Aqara hub, then to ZHA and then to Z2M no problem

tropic depot
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Anything in the herdsman OTA repo should work

inner bluff
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And to be honest I get why ZHA doesn't do as much since Z2M is node js vs HASS is python

tropic depot
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🤔

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it’s not a language thing… just a time thing

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there are only a few of us working on ZHA

raven jewel
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Python is rather more capable and stable than JS usually. Mostly because it's not async by default.

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And I say that as a JS developer 😉

tropic depot
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I’d say anything that one can do the other can

gaunt flume
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Maybe I am doing it wrong - I hold the button until it starts blinking and after a few blinks I let go (if I dont it blinks for like 20 seconds) and then it should just pair right?

raven jewel
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Yup, you just have to know the language and the libraries

inner bluff
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Oh I wasn't implying that python was lacking I use it for data analytics

raven jewel
gaunt flume
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nope

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maybe its because I have this ancient model

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if been trying for an hour now

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there isnt a combination of presses I have not tried

raven jewel
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That's the ones I have

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I press and hold for ~10 seconds, and then press it once every few seconds until it pairs

grim igloo
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the newer smaller version

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ah nvm mine are the 11LM as well

gaunt flume
gaunt flume
grim igloo
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you said you have multiple other identical ones that work fine though right?

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so no magic there lol

gaunt flume
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work fine is an overstatement - they did eventually pair yes

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I did some googling earlier and it might be because I run zigbee2mqtt on a pi with the sonoff zbdongle-p and that it does not like that combo for whatever reason

grim igloo
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good excuse to upgrade from a pi

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even though i doubt that's your issue

gaunt flume
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home assistant is not running on a pi

grim igloo
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ah

gaunt flume
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just zigbee2mqtt on docker on the pi

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idk I have a talent of finding these one in a thousand problems

raven jewel
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Did you make sure your dongle is on an extension?

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Because I ran Z2M on a Pi4 for months with that stick and no problems

grim igloo
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Same here but I didn’t have those aqara sensors then

gaunt flume
raven jewel
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Pretty high chance it will, direct connections tend to cause a large amount of interference

gaunt flume
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nope - I am just gonna give up on that one - it appears to be fine (indicator are working and it worked like 2 days ago) but it was outside (balcony) for like 3 years so who knows.

grim igloo
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you should've led with that lol

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humidity 1 - magnav0x 0

gaunt flume
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well I mean the other one that was mounted next to it was "fine" so idk - it still lights up though and it reported the correct status until I switched coordinators so I just assumed it was fine

gaunt flume
grim igloo
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why not

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it explains why oneworks and the other doesnt

gaunt flume
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well yeah but even a totally fresh one right out of the packaging had problems connecting - so yeah it might explain why this one just will not work even after trying everything but it still feels like there is something else going. And if that "something else" was fixed it would connect again.

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Idk its like 2:30am here I should just go to bed - I have two more in the garage and I will try to connect them tomorrow and if that works then I will have confirmation that it the one I have is indeed just broken.

grim igloo
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you never did say if you tried percussive maintenance

gaunt flume
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Just in case somebody reads this "thread" - I do very much like zigbee and zigbee2mqtt - just wanted to say that!

gleaming jay
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Had a power outage last night. My HA is on a ups so I was able to safely shut it down. But today after a few restarts for various reasons I’ve noticed something like 20 of my 37 zigbee devices are showing unavailable. Ive tried pressing the button on a device or two and even tried rolling back an update that I did yesterday, but nothings changing

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I doubt it’s the power outage or the update but even if it was.. wtf

fallow citrus
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Hey there,
I have an Ikea Trädfri Motion Sensor and Zigbee2mqtt. I have successfully connected it into my zigbee network, but it does not show anything besides linkquality and battery. https://imgur.com/a/dgn34zK Anyone know how to get the actual motion detecting working?

fallow citrus
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Solved! My coordinator had an old firmware. I tried to update the firmware, it flashed but then everything broke. Not a single light was connecting and i found out the coordinator crashed the second, i started z2m. Then I found out, that my wires, that i used for programming between the CC Debugger and the CC2531 were too short. I resoldered everything, flashed, and now it works!
I needed to reconnect my devices but now the motion sensor is functional!

sour shadow
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CC2531
weewoo_red

iron thicket
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So, my zigbee2mttq updated and my entire zigbee network broke and stopped working. So I have moved my hue devices back to the Hue Bridge and the Hive Devices back ot the Hive Hub. Apparently the Hue Bridge can accept other none supported devices like IKEA, reckon I could add my Xamoi Aquara door sensors?

sour shadow
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You lose nothing by trying it

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Personally I'd get Z2M working again

iron thicket
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z2m was good and i wish i could get it working again

sour shadow
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What coordinator were you using?

iron thicket
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combee2

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usb stick

sour shadow
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Eh, not the worst choice, not the best - did you have it on a USB extension cable?

iron thicket
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nope

sour shadow
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Rather important for any coordinator, but more so for the ConBee range

iron thicket
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?

sour shadow
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Was there a question attached to that questionmark?

iron thicket
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is that cus the pis bluetooth/wifi interfer?

sour shadow
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Well, it's covered by one of the pinned messages, but it's mostly about interference from the computer

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Bluetooth, WiFi, and USB 3.0 are all rich sources of interference, but the whole computer is a source

iron thicket
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probably not a good idea it being in a network cab full of gear

sour shadow
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And if it's a metal cabinet, that's going to massively cut the range

iron thicket
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and my home being part of an over kill wif network with ap's in everyroom

sour shadow
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Well, for that you pick your channels carefully

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Again, there's a pinned message or few on that

iron thicket
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maybe i should use a cat5 usb extender to put it in another room

sour shadow
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Typically channels 15, 20, and 25 are good choices

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However, if you're going to do that, there's a better solution

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Buy a network connected coordinator

lilac wharf
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APs in every room? Do you have concrete interior walls?

sour shadow
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Metal, clearly metal 😛

iron thicket
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no, i love overkill wifi

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and when you have a crapload of tapo wifi plugs

lilac wharf
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Hopefully you have everything set up so that the APs aren't talking over each other

sour shadow
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Probably not

iron thicket
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they are all centrally managed by sdn with nightly channel optimisation

sour shadow
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Words fail me at this point

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There's overkill, and there's throw everything at it, including the kitchen sink, and then set it all on fire for good measure

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I suspect you'll have a better time by reducing things to a sane level

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You'll also stop fucking over your Zigbee mesh if you fix things

iron thicket
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oh don't worry these ap's are ow power hence needing one in every room

sour shadow
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Well, at the very least, fix the channels

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Letting things change on demand is going to fuck over Zigbee

iron thicket
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i can block channels

sour shadow
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Well, block everything but 1, 6, and 11

iron thicket
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ok these network co-ordinators are exspensive

sour shadow
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Sure, but compared to what you've already shelled out they're not much to add

grim igloo
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Or you can manually set one up with a pi and ser2net and a usb coordinator

iron thicket
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i have a pi with a usb conbee2

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ok, im going to re-attempt z2m again

primal spire
grim igloo
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Not required to work, required to work with their app lol

primal spire
#

oh

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is the sonoff usb zigbee stick one of the best one?

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or is there any other better option?

sour shadow
#

CC2652 based are a good choice, no matter who makes them

primal spire
#

is there any list out there?

sour shadow
#

Yes

grim igloo
sour shadow
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In the pins, but also

grim igloo
#

the sonoff p dongle is on the list

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

young solar
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Been using the Conbee 2 for years without issues 🙂 But been looking at the Sonoff one.... dont think it would offer me any upgrades though

grim igloo
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conbee is a bad word here

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as is deconz or any con*

sour shadow
#

ConBee has the problem that it's the most sensitive to any external interference

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deCONZ has the problem that it's slow moving commercial software

primal spire
#

would usb or networked be more reliable?

sour shadow
#

Mostly that's down to your setup

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Never WiFi connected, that's for sure

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If USB, put it on a USB extension cable

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I've been running with USB connected since I started and had no reliability issues

primal spire
sour shadow
#

You need a coordinator

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You will also need devices that act as routers, but without a coordinator you have no mesh

primal spire
#

oops, out of stock 🗿

rapid dawnBOT
sour shadow
#

Tube has a waiting list

primal spire
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do I need to join it?

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I assume yes?

sour shadow
#

Well, if you don't join it, how do you expect to be on it?

primal spire
#

I would want the POE version

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is CC2652 better than the efr32 one?

grim igloo
primal spire
#

and any idea why the PoE version costs 78USD? I see the non poe version is half the price

iron thicket
#

z2m is not allowing me to add devices, outside the one device i just added and even that isnt getting any data back

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why did i listen to Tinker and go back to z2m

molten linden
#

The usb only is ~half the price. Ethernet (non PoE) is in the middle

primal spire
#

is the enclosure file downloadable? want to print one in custom color if possible

molten linden
primal spire
#

thanks

sour shadow
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And remember to put the ConBee on an extension cable

iron thicket
#

did, no issues

primal spire
molten linden
#

Friction

primal spire
#

oh

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😅

molten linden
#

Simple but effective 🤣

iron thicket
#

time to reboot the pi and try again

primal spire
grim igloo
#

isnt this just gonna go in a network closet and sit there?

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he's got the f3d file for you to go nuts with if you want lol

primal spire
#

yes, just saying

grim igloo
#

i think most would argue against clips for pla and this type of case

primal spire
#

tbh I never printed anything in PLA

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which one is better? CC2652P or EFR32MG21? for the sonoff stick

iron thicket
#

ok, z2m is dead to me, it obviously has beef

gleaming jay
#

@molten linden why the two options for poe? Earlier Tinkerer says the cc2652 is better, but your page says the EFR32MGM21 will support thread, so isn’t that better?

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Also says EFR32MGM21 ships with home assistant yellow, so it would appear it has the support of the devs…

lilac wharf
#

The CC2652 is better for zigbee2mqtt (but is also well supported in ZHA). CC2652 also supports thread

gleaming jay
#

Hasnt HA indicated that zha is their choice of the future?

lilac wharf
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I guess? Probably since it's built in to HA

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That's not really relevant though

grim igloo
#

better because it has better support from the driver not better as in the chip is inherently better, correct?

lilac wharf
#

Better for zigbee2mqtt as in the EFR32 is still experimental for z2m

#

Specs-wise the CC2652 and EFR32 are similar IIRC

primal spire
#

does the chip matters if it is ethernet based?

iron thicket
#

ok maybe its my conbee2, nothing will pair 😦

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ok, apparently the coordinator is offline

gleaming jay
#

well maybe Tube can make it more clear for me. I originally bought my hubz stick based on advice on here and so this time around I need to be more sure of all the facts before I go ahead and buy something

molten linden
#

EFR32 and TI CC2652 are very comparable. as above, ZHA has better support for the EFR32 - mainly because it started as the first supported (well ezsp which predates the EFR32). If you want to run Z2M get a CC2652. ZHA - get either.

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Thread/Matter

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EFR32 has a path toward concurrent Thread and Zigbee, there is no such path that I know from TI for the CC2652 - it can do either not both

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That said, the Mult-protocol path may have limitations. The version that works not just on ARM hosts is definitely Alpha right now. The other version requires an ARM based host to run Zigbeed (EZSP) on the host.

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You may be better off with 2 radios, one for zigbee one for thread. you may not even need a thread radio as other boarder routers on your network should theoretically bring Matter devices into HA

gleaming jay
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or maybe wait for an arm based coordinator?

molten linden
#

no

gleaming jay
#

I mean, my hubsz stick may be my problem, but I really don't k now

molten linden
#

hubsz radio is the predecessor to EFR32

gleaming jay
#

interesting

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so then by being on ZHA right now i have the best chances of success I guess

molten linden
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EFR32 is an ARM chip 😂

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ARM® Cortex®-M33

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so's the CC2652: Arm Cortex-M4F processor

gleaming jay
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how come you didn't just stick to offering one, the cc2652 since it works for zha and z2m?

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supply reasons?

molten linden
#

give people choice.

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🤷🏼‍♂️

gleaming jay
#

Do you know if HA ever commented on why they chose one chip over the other?

molten linden
#

No but the Yellow was part of a SiLabs Accelerator program if I remember correctly. so........

gleaming jay
#

so maybe a bit of a sponsorship reason?

molten linden
#

I have no clue

gleaming jay
#

k thanks

lilac wharf
grim igloo
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Agreed

gleaming jay
#

So I

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I'm trying to troubleshoot my zigbee problems - any idea why when I listen on zha_event and i trigger my zigbee light switch on off i see an event, but when I trigger my tradfri outlet on/off i see no event?

tropic depot
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Remotes send events

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The outlet has an entity

gleaming jay
#

oh I thought events = any communication

#

I can't get my Ikea Symfonisk remotes to work with HA, using ZHA. How would I best troubleshoot to determine if this is a ZHA issue, a zigbee stick issue, or other?

#

one of them I can add, but it rarely sends any events that I can listen on, and eventually it goes unavailable

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the other just won't pair at all

smoky tapir
#

haha, I just picked up a symfonisk and having the ZHA issue 🙂

austere patio
#

What coordinators are you using?

smoky tapir
#

I actually bought a symfonisk, a tradfri 5-button, and a 4button unit (the one with AAA) batteries to play with, the other two worked out of the box

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I'm using sonoff usb stick-e, with other zigbee devices working.

#

I can pair the symfonsisk, and see it, but nothing i do on it triggers an event in the device log

austere patio
#

Are you positive it's the -E, not the -P?

smoky tapir
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me? very much so, just bought it

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(two weeks ago)

#

I'm getting battery level from the symfonisk

austere patio
#

Try hitting the Reconfigure button while pressing buttons on the device

smoky tapir
#

yeah, just fails

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I have it bound to a near by repeated (sengled power monitor)

#

I've removed and re-discoverd a couple times

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ok, seeing messages now that i just connected via coordinator vs powermonitor

gleaming jay
#

You forced it to connect to the coordinator?

smoky tapir
#

yeah

gleaming jay
#

How?

smoky tapir
#

settings->devices->ZHA tab, click on devices link. Find your coordinator (At the bottom of the list), click it. In the DeviceInfo square, there is a "add devices via this device".

gleaming jay
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Ah

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Thx I’ll try

smoky tapir
#

the other two remotes worked normally without issues

fallow citrus
#

Heya, I have more CC2531 firmware update troubles... The firmware version that I installed stops working in Zigbee2mqtt after about 1 hour. Anyone know why this could happen?

smoky tapir
#

looking at ikea firmware updates now

gleaming jay
#

Can you see any events being fired when you listen to zha_event?

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Cause its paired using your method but not seeing any events still

smoky tapir
#

i see events

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Symfonisk 01 Device Rotated - Stop event was fired with parameters: {'options_mask': 0, 'options_override': 0}
10:05:51 AM - 9 minutes ago

gleaming jay
#

Boo

smoky tapir
#

I wasn't seeing anything previously

gleaming jay
#

According to the visualization it paired to an outlet not to the coordinator

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Despite doing your method

austere patio
#

What coordinator are you using?

gleaming jay
#

Hubz dual coordinator thing

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Silicon labs ezsp

smoky tapir
#

my experience is that visualizer is way delayed compared to reality

gleaming jay
#

yeah i have heard not to put too much faith in it

#

but either way the device isn't showing up on zha_event

#

it takes a long time to add whenever i re-add it. I think that must mean something

smoky tapir
#

it takes longer than my other devices

#

are you getting a battery level at all from it when you add it?

gleaming jay
#

oooh this 567th time of re-adding it's showing events now!

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yeah I usually get 100% battery when i add, one time i got 14%, so its got a brand new battery just in case

smoky tapir
#

i bought this for a media volume controller, but i may end up just using the 5-button unit instead

gleaming jay
#

because of the headaches or because it'd do a better job?

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cause that's why i bought these too

smoky tapir
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because 5 buttons , play/pause center, volume up/down, next/previous track on short presses

gleaming jay
#

and the next issue is the blueprints seem finicky for adjusting volume.. so after all these pairing issues they may be junk anyway

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ohhh yeah

smoky tapir
#

yea, I wanted the spin for volume, but not sure it's going to be responsive enough to make it "better" then just multiple taps on a up/down button style solution

gleaming jay
#

The Styrbar?

smoky tapir
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strybar is 4 button

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i picked up one of those in the scratch&dent section for $8 USD

gleaming jay
#

oh youre talking about that round shaped one

smoky tapir
#

that round one is also more "ergonomic" in your hand, depending on use case

gleaming jay
#

I can't find it on the ikea.ca website anymore, maybe the discontinued it

smoky tapir
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not on the usa site either, i thought they had a pile at local place, may have to go back and pick up a couple more

gleaming jay
#

well it's been 10 mins and this symfonisk remote is still showing events, so maybe your trick did work

smoky tapir
#

that 5 button one was $17 USD fyi

gleaming jay
#

I'd have to go to the store and hope, but its a fair drive from me

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so since it's still showing available and everything, trying out some blueprints I previously setup and having the issue others did on the forum where it's just too unreliable and you can accidentally turn your volume up way too loud

#

There's other blueprints to try but the whole dial thing may be a bust

smoky tapir
#

which blueprint are you using?

gleaming jay
#

This one that I don't quite understand. It's a 2 part blue print where one is a media hook and the other is the blueprint for the remote. one talks to the other i think?

#

but it's confusing and i've only configured the blueprint for the turn_left and set it to call service to turn down the volume, but some how the turn_right works to turn up volume even though i (purposely) didn't config that

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plus when you use it, say you only turn to the right, it'll go up but it'll jitter up and down in volume as it goes up

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hmm it might be beause they were competing

smoky tapir
#

wonder if that was causing my issue earlier with pause only pausing for a brief second

gleaming jay
#

did you try the webhooks one?

smoky tapir
#

trying that now 🙂

gleaming jay
#

i disabled it and everythings working better

smoky tapir
#

setting up the input text thingy

gleaming jay
#

oh yeah forgot i did that

smoky tapir
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suggesting i just use the simple media one? that worked once, and now doesn't pause, just blips the volume

gleaming jay
#

using that but the hooks part i have disabled

smoky tapir
#

yeah, that linked one is what i'm looking at

gleaming jay
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its working well

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for now

smoky tapir
#

not grasping the connection to the hook setup

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yeah, that's not working

gleaming jay
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Yeah I’m not using it

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Trying to get my 2nd going

smoky tapir
#

what media player are you interfacing into?

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ok, had to turn on debounce

#

volume's not working, read somewhere it may be setting volume absolute, need to validate that that function works with LMS

gleaming jay
#

So my downstairs remote I've got controlling my AVR media entity, but the upstairs i've got controlling spotify entity

smoky tapir
#

are you just adding volume up/down to the rotate left/right settings?

gleaming jay
#

the upstairs controlling spotify seems more sensitive compared with the AVR, which probably makes sense. my avr has small increments

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i am

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only configured the basic left/right, 1 button click, and 2 button clicks

smoky tapir
#

hmm, button press working, volume control not

gleaming jay
#

i had that initially, but it was when my remotes were randomly becoming unavailable after 5-20min being paired

smoky tapir
#

when in doubt reboot

gleaming jay
#

the downstairs remote has now stopped responding

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typical

smoky tapir
#

device is showing move and move-stop events, neither hook nor non-hook action are dealing with it. But are showing action, so i wondering if the media player is eating the commands

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nope, not sending any commands to the mediaplayer (yay wireshark)

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or crap, depends on what it's talking to....

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nope, logbook on entity shows on/off but not volume sending

#

I think I've giving up on the symfonisk

eternal pumice
#

My device only shows one trigger called identifybutton even though it has two buttons that have 3 functions on each button

smoky tapir
#

Look in the logbook to see what's popping up

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of the device

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@gleaming jay what firmware is on your symfonisk (mine is Firmware: 0x21024631)

gleaming jay
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One sec

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Firmware: 0x21024631

smoky tapir
#

ok, so same

gleaming jay
#

HA says it still sees the controller (ie it isn't saying unavailable) but battery is 0%

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it had a full power battery in there so i dont feel like checking it again, but there was some complaints years ago about rapid battery drain issues

smoky tapir
#

mine is at 47% where it was 100% this morning

gleaming jay
#

so maybe, but it could also be an unreliable reading

eternal pumice
smoky tapir
#

i'm not 100% on the physical aspect of it for use, just to add. If I can pick up some more of the round 5-button ones, I'll do that. (They exist on ebay btw for CA pickup)

#

Connor, repair and see if that fixes?

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For media - this one sorta works - zha-ikea-symfonisk-sound-controller-for-media-the-spinny-one.yaml - but seems to be better at turning down the volume then up. so i think I'm officially bailing

gleaming jay
#

my experience with zigbee is you try again a few days later and it magically works

eternal pumice
gleaming jay
#

so a device setup just stretches over a few weekends lol

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what stick were you using @smoky tapir ?

smoky tapir
#

sonoff-e

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@eternal pumice I meant delete it and re-pair it

eternal pumice
#

Tried that didn’t work does anyone know a good working double switch that’s battery operated? Mine doesn’t work

smoky tapir
#

what did you buy? And did you add a blueprint for it?

neat pulsar
#

Hello. Any recommendation for a zigbee compatible radiator valve ? (that does not require purchasing some sort of hub)

#

Looks like Tado and Netatmo both require a hub so that HA can discuss with them. Other options I have seen have comments complaining about the batteries not lasting more than a month

eternal pumice
neat pulsar
smoky tapir
grim igloo
#

Plenty of bad attitudes in this server already no need to add to it lol

smoky tapir
#

I'll accept the comment, my apologies

crude otter
#

Is it possible to get a ZigBee coordinator with external antenna and flash it with router software?

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To use as a "repeater"

molten linden
#

yes

crude otter
#

It might be the only way to get reliable coverage out in my garage

#

Any recommendations for the chipset?

molten linden
#

CC2652P

crude otter
#

Hmm I have a spare sonoff ZigBee dongle plus thing

molten linden
smoky tapir
#

i think both the -e and -p can be routers.

molten linden
#

Dev Branch has a new build with configurable TX power

smoky tapir
#

yeah, the 5db vs 20db was going to be my question

molten linden
#

I don't trust Sonoff's EFR 32 firmware

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and their choice in the chip is 🤷🏼‍♂️

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I think they just have gobs of them laying around as it's the same one that was in the wifi bridge 2 years ago

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new pcb design but same efr32 chip.

smoky tapir
#

multiple zigbee power monitors/switches are routers also. My sengled power monitors are routers for example.

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and are <$15 usd

molten linden
#

asked about converting coord to router with external antenna

smoky tapir
#

i was answering the followup statement about getting to the garage

grim igloo
#

I’ve been curious if a sonoff stick as a dedicated router is actually better or just equal to a mains repeater

bronze rivet
#

I think my Zigbee setup is like yours - mostly for bulbs. I had issues with Sonoff outlets acting as repeaters (an older version), and ended up switching to Sonoff CC2652P sticks throughout the house. Three as routers one as the coordinator (one on each of my floors) and I am having a great experience with no other routing devices on the network.

unborn orbit
#

i've had a lot of issues with them dropping off the network for some reason

bronze rivet
#

I'm not really sure what the deal with the outlets was. Stock, but a number of my bulbs are actually powered on/off and not used as smart bulbs. That combined with Adaptive Lighting traffic might have been a bad mix or something.

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Purkinje the Sonoff sticks as routers or Sonoff outlets?

unborn orbit
unborn orbit
bronze rivet
#

Yeah I have adjusted the defaults and dialed by frequency of adjustments. That might be about it though.

unborn orbit
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i decreased the changes to every 5 minutes

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was wondering if there was any more efficient way of runnin git

bronze rivet
#

35 bulbs and four LED strips using AL.

unborn orbit
#

i've got a ton. i'm at 88 lights at this point

bronze rivet
#

Depending on other conditions in the environment, 15 sticsk as routers might be overkill 😛

unborn orbit
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haha agreed

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anyone need a sonoff stick? 🙂

bronze rivet
#

LOL

grim igloo
unborn orbit
grim igloo
#

why would that be a constant source of traffic?

unborn orbit
#

i wonder if there is a way to offset so they dont send changes to every device every couple of minutes

bronze rivet
#

Default is to adjust brightness and color every 90 seconds I think.

grim igloo
#

wtf

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why would you want that?

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i thought adaptive lighting was circadian stuff to change color temp?

unborn orbit
#

it is

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color temp and brightness

grim igloo
#

and changing it every 90 seconds is the solution?!

#

that sounds crazy lol

bronze rivet
#

And now you see why I used Zigbee lights and everything else is Zwav e 😛

unborn orbit
#

i think it's more of an issue that is sends it to EVERY device at the same time

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wish there was an offset

unborn orbit
grim igloo
#

not yet

#

i just leave my hue bulbs warm but most dont even do color temp 😦

unborn orbit
#

its really the only reason i have a zigbee network at all, otherwise everything would be zwave

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if they made zwave recessed lights and associations worked well with zwave like binding does with zigbee

#

i'd be all in on zwave

grim igloo
#

i have all zwave light switches and all hue bulbs and sensors basically

#

starting to add aqara door/window sensors

#

i dont feel comfortable putting more stuff on zwave cuz it just cant handle traffic like i expect or want it to. zigbee seems to not have that limitation

unborn orbit
#

my zwave network is way more reliable than my zigbee network

grim igloo
#

i.e. one smart plug with energy reporting can take down your entire zwave mesh or at least slow it to a crawl

unborn orbit
#

and of course i just got hte inovelli blue's and every single one of them is in teh lot that is known to have an issue

grim igloo
#

i have no issues with either mesh but i literally go out of my way to make sure i dont have things actually using the zwave mesh lol (fuck this)

bronze rivet
#

I use Zwave for things I want delviered, and Zigbee for stuff that can be missed on occasion. Like my bulb dimming 😛

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I likely wouldn't be doing AL if it was on my Zwave network. I know other seem to think the bandwidth of Zigbee is important, but I don't see it as all that relevant. The devices don't need bandwidth, they free time to be able to send tiny packets, CSMACA. That applies to both protocols.

grim igloo
#

yea but it seems like real-world experience and what i've seen just in this discord server has people with a "good" zwave mesh unable to handle even a couple chatty devices versus zigbee can take damn near the whole kitchen sink unless devices exist on the mesh that blackhole routes

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with that being said i think it's gross that zigbee+zigbee pro+thread+matter all get to live on 2.4ghz (plus our existing multiple wifi access points lol)

bronze rivet
#

I think I agree that there seem to be less problems with the right Zigbee gear. With the right Zwave gear you can still have cchatty issues. But... the list of bad Zigbee gear is far longer than the list of bad Zwave gear.

grim igloo
#

there's lots of downsides to each protocol and little "one off scenarios" that one needs to know about like which devices to avoid for X,Y,Z reason

#

it's wild lol

open jasper
#

Hey, not sure who suggested it, but I believe my zha issues are resolved. I guess everything was getting interference from my 2.4GHz Wi-Fi. I only really noticed the remotes, but I physically watched it all cycle unavailable during troubleshooting. I moved my cameras to 5GHz and haven’t seen any more resets. Thanks for the ideas late last week!

grim igloo
#

you're welcome

primal spire
#

Is there any guide on connecting a ethernet based zigbee coordinator to home assistant?

grim igloo
#

pokes tube

molten linden
#

With ZHA, if not auto discovered you put socket://ip:port for the device path

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Z2m you do tcp://ip:port

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As the serial path.

primal spire
molten linden
#

That’s z2m

primal spire
#

oh

#

didn't notice that 😅

grim igloo
#

it's at the bottom

molten linden
#

^ skip to step 3

primal spire
#

is the BOM for your "CC2652P2 Based Zigbee to PoE Coordinator 2022" publicly available?

molten linden
#

Not sure. If it’s not others are and they all basically use the same parts

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R1 is 10K 0805, R4 is 100 0805 the button is SKRKAEE020

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Female 2x5 keyed header as well.

primal spire
#

where do you order your parts? if you don't mind telling

molten linden
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Lcsc or other vendors on AliExpress

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Modules I get from the manufacturers I have sales contacts with them directly

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(Or US vendors like mouser/Digikey if I need something fast)

primal spire
#

I can't find the cc2652p2, do you order it from aliexpress or?

molten linden
#

You should be able to get it on AliExpress try just cc2652 or cc2652p

primal spire
molten linden
#

Yes

primal spire
#

I only need the pcb, 2 resistors and a button, plus the 2 modules? poe and 2652p2

#

and the headers

#

Hmm, I think I can buy the parts under 50USD including shipping. Do I need any programmer/firmware flasher?

gleaming jay
#

My garage is a bit of a faraday cage for my devices

#

But has ethernet

molten linden
molten linden
primal spire
molten linden
#

Yes

#

Non iso one be careful never plug in usb with PoE connected

primal spire
#

non iso?

#

how do I distinguish them?

gleaming jay
ocean karma
#

I have an Aqara button but have been unable to get it to do anything

#

It pairs with ZHA reliably but no events come in when I press it

#

And this blueprint doesn't seem to see the device as an option

#

Any ideas?

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It is the lumi.remote.b1acn01 model, according to the device signature, as the blueprint wants to see

primal spire
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@molten linden sorry for the tag, but when choosing between "EFR32 MGM21 PoE Coordinator" and "CC2652P2 Based Zigbee to PoE Coordinator 2022", is there any reason to choose one over the other?

smoky tapir
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technically a zigbee hub of some sort in your garage connected to HA outside your garage would be a zigbe converter to ethernet 🙂

sour shadow
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Any ideas

final jolt
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hey gents! i cannot start the zigbee2mqtt:
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:03:32: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:03:32: Failed to start zigbee
Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

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any ideas what im doin wrong? i set up like a "youtuber"

sour shadow
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Failed to connect to the adapter

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What adapter? How did you install Zigbee2MQTT?

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What else is in the log file, because it's normally more than two lines

sour shadow
final jolt
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sonoff dongle 3.0 model: zbdongle-p

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before i did the mosquitto broker

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[11:12:04] INFO: Preparing to start...
[11:12:04] INFO: Socat not enabled
[11:12:05] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-07 11:12:08: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2022-11-07.11-12-08' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-07 11:12:08: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.28.2 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2022-11-07 11:12:08: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.68)
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:12:29: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:12:29: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:12:29: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:12:29: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-07 11:12:29: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)
at ZStackAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/zStackAdapter.ts:103:27)
at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29)
at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27)
at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27)
at start (/app/index.js:109:5)

sour shadow
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Did you configure the path to the adapter?

final jolt
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yes

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cant send pictures in here

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

sour shadow
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Use that instead of DMing me the image

final jolt
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i did

sour shadow
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No, you DMd me the image

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Use an image hosting site, share the link here

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I'm not the only person who can help you, taking stuff to DMs denies you effective help

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Doubly so because a lot of us will just add you to a blocklist when you do that

final jolt
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🙂

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dont have a hosting site 😦

sour shadow
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Did you read the fecking bot message?

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You don't need to have your own site, they exist already

final jolt
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sorry, newby

sour shadow
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All the more reason to take the time to read responses

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You've checked in HA's hardware menu that the path you picked there is right?

final jolt
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yep

sour shadow
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Change the Z2M log level to info and see if you get more

final jolt
sour shadow
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And I hope you blanked the MQTT box just for the purpose of the image

final jolt
final jolt
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solved it, disabled all before installed devices. reboot reinstalled mosquitto and z2m. thanks any ways @sour shadow

ebon sleet
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I upgraded to 2022.11.0 and 2022.11.1 from 2022.10.5. After the upgrade my ZHA is not reliable. I have downgraded to 2022.10.5 again and all is working as expected. I didn't grab any logs so don't have much information. But wanted to check if anyone else experienced similar?
I have a ConBee II stick.

molten linden
primal spire
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Does it makes any difference if it's a Ethernet device(Ethernet vs USB)?

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Of the same chip

sour shadow
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Not meaningfully. The advantage of Ethernet is that it's easier to get it away from USB 3/WiFi/Bluetooth/other RF noise, but it requires your home network to not be junk.

humble mulch
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Any noob guide to how to set up hue dimmers switchs? I am noob with privacy concerns so i am moving my hue light system to home assistant, but i dont manage to ge the switches working and my wife is running out of patience.

sour shadow
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Set them up to do what?

humble mulch
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To turn on and off my lights 😁

sour shadow
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And exactly how depends on whether you're using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

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You can probably get started with the UI editor and device triggers

humble mulch
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I can look up for information but i dint actually know what should i look for

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I have all@the lights working and the switches are connected to zha.

sour shadow
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Automations are how HA does anything, if you want HA to do something, it's an automation

humble mulch
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Gotcha

sour shadow
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In this case it's a simple automation that has the relevant device action (or event) as the trigger, and then light.turn_on as the service call

humble mulch
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Ohh i see, i will check it out! Thanks a lot!

ebon sleet
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I upgraded to 2022 11 0 and 2022 11 1

gaunt flume
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Ok so when I pair an end device to my coordinator and then move it then some devices (aqara) do not jump from the coordinator to another router that is closer.
Now my question is - even though the end device is not paired to the closer router does the router still relay/repeat the signal?

lilac wharf
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Why aren't you pairing the device in its intended location?

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But no, the router would only do routing for that device if the router was its parent

gaunt flume
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Other routers mostly work.

wary cradle
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I am still struggling to connect a simple and basic motion sensor from ikea into HA. It is infuriating. I have a brand new somoff zigbee dongle and I’ve reset the motion sensor into pairing mode. My instance refuses to find it literally every time. I had a conbee stick and was told to buy this dongle. Still not working. Can someone for the love god help me out before I throw my entire computer and pi4 out the window

sour shadow
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Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

opal trail
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I have a zigbee thermostat (Centralite) that appears to be checking in regularly (to Zigbee2MQTT), but for some reason won't respond to any commands or updates (like changing the temperature)- I have 3 other thermostats that are the same and working fine, and this one was fine up until a few days ago... having a hard time figuring out the best way to troubleshoot this. I've tried reconfiguring, turning the device on and off... do I just need to reset it or is there another way to debug this?

tropic depot
gaunt flume
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I tested this by using the permit join option is zigbee2mqtt but I only selected one device

mellow geode
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Can you check the sw_build_id/firmware they're on?

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Those are still older Hue models (no Bluetooth, no attribute reports, ...)

gaunt flume
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the hues run on firmware: 67.88.1

mellow geode
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Also the E26/E27/E14 bulb?

gaunt flume
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yes

mellow geode
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Huh. Can you see the Zigbee model id anywhere? (should be something like LCT010)

gaunt flume
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LCT001

mellow geode
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oh wow. Are those the glass diffuser + metallic looking bulbs?

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Like very first-gen bulbs?

gaunt flume
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I would have to check but yeah very first gen

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the once in the bedroom (spots) are LCT003

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I also have a light strip that does not let anything pair with it that has LST001 and two blooms that also do not allow anything to join but the blooms have LLC011

mellow geode
# gaunt flume LCT001

I think they're TI CC2531 based. Other TI based lamps run 67.93.11 but 1 / 67.88.1 is also somewhat recent. I also remember having issues with allowing joins on specific Hue devices (only older bulbs too)

mellow geode
gaunt flume
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blooms and light strip run 67.93.11

mellow geode
# gaunt flume LCT001

Also, if you find it: what's the OTA image type of the this bulb? (manufacturer code: 4107 and then for the image type: something like 256 for example)

gaunt flume
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no cannot find that - I am using zigbee2mqtt maybe you know where that would be.

mellow geode
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not using Z2M -- with ZHA it's only in the debug logs atm. Maybe you can find it in the logs when checking for an update in the OTA tab(?)

gaunt flume
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Received Zigbee message from 'Livingroom Shelf Bloom', type 'commandQueryNextImageRequest', cluster 'genOta', data '{"fieldControl":0,"fileVersion":1124097291,"imageType":259,"manufacturerCode":4107}' from endpoint 11 with groupID 0
mellow geode
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nice, I'll check something really quick

gaunt flume
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Light-Strip also has 259 and the E27 bulbs have 260 and the spots also have 260

mellow geode
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that's the LLC011, right? can you also check the code of the LCT001 (E26/E27 bulb)?

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ah, nice

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only the Bloom seems to be TI based. The E27 (260) is Atmel based (but that probably doesn't matter to you -- they might behave slightly differnetly though).
you're already running the latest versions that are provided by the Hue Bridge (there was only ever one update for the ATMEL based ones: 5.130.1.30000 -> 67.88.1)

gaunt flume
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E27 Bulbs:
Firmware: 67.88.1
Zigbee Model: LCT001
Image Type: 260
Spots:
Firmware: 67.88.1
Zigbee Model: LCT003
Image Type: 260
Blooms:
Firmware: 67.93.11
Zigbee Model: LLC011
Image Type: 259
LightStrip:
Firmware: 67.93.11
Zigbee Model: LST001
Image Type: 259

mellow geode
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yep, "latest versions" available. they're all "not Zigbee 3.0" though (newer Hue bulbs are)

gaunt flume
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well I guess the problem is that I bought them in 2015

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its been a while

mellow geode
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well, they still get some updates at least

gaunt flume
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well I paid like 60 bucks for each lamp

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I sure hope they get updates xD

mellow geode
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IKEA ones would've died already

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heh

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regarding your original join problem: I'd just join them through another device near the bulbs (or just through the coordinator).
Other bulbs/routers will search for multiple neighbors anyway and end-devices, well. they might roam around

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But I also had issues with pairing Aqara E1 door sensors through those older Hue bulbs (my older ones are 3rd gen/2017)

gaunt flume
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yeah but I have a lot of stuff from aqara and that stuff does not roam

mellow geode
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you can try pressing the pairing button once. It might roam around then

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or taking the original parent offline bot a bit and then pressing it

gaunt flume
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good to know

mellow geode
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no guarantee it'll work though

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it also seems like the different Aqara devices behave differently (some "roam" in some cases, others don't at all)

gaunt flume
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the funny thing is I have an aqara button and I paired that to a wall plug I still had in a drawer somewhere and once the pairing was successful I removed that plug from the wall and from z2m and then the button jumped to lights

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like why cant you just connect to the lights in the first place aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh

grim igloo
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So should old hue stuff go to edge of mesh?

gaunt flume
gaunt flume
grim igloo
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Can’t you just throw money at the problem and buy new gen

gaunt flume
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the idea was that I want low power sensors/buttons and to facilitate the mesh network I would use onyl zigbee lights as routers everywhere

mellow geode
gaunt flume
grim igloo
smoky tapir
gaunt flume
# grim igloo Lol

you can laugh but that is important to me - maybe I can find somebody that uses hue lights with the hue hub and just give it to them for free

grim igloo
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It’s a losing battle and a very tiny tiny tiny part of the actual issue

gaunt flume
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I find that to be an excuse not to care

grim igloo
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You’ve fallen for the companies’ placing blame on consumers while they still do whatever they want

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Buying carbon taxes and shit while still polluting in every way imaginable

gaunt flume
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and if nothing else - if I give them to somebody that can use them I at least make them happy

smoky tapir
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Maganv0x, facebook buy-nothing or free groups exist to help give away stuff like that to people who want it

mellow geode
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I still have some OSRAM plugs to give away but I think they won't make anyone happy lol

grim igloo
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I still need plugs for each of my 3d printers but I think I want Wi-Fi ones

gaunt flume
mellow geode
grim igloo
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It’s sad

gaunt flume
grim igloo
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The recycling plastic thing is a lie and china and other countries stopped accepting barges with our old plastic

mellow geode
gaunt flume
# grim igloo It’s sad

well I really dont want to bash the us here but here in austria the stuff most definitely gets recycled

grim igloo
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I doubt it but not worth searching online lol

gaunt flume
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Dont get me wrong I do very much agree that the recycling and disposal process should be on the companies that produce the stuff but as long as thats not he case I will do my part - its also an attitude thing that I dont want to waste stuff in all areas of my life so I guess you do you and I do me

grim igloo
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My bigger concern is minimizing microplastics ingestion

gaunt flume
mellow geode
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wtf

gaunt flume
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told you I dont throw things out that work xD

mellow geode
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they normally don't work though

gaunt flume
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well this one does :D

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I got a second one that also works :D

grim igloo
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I think he’s just a masochist

gaunt flume
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Because I have never heard that to be a thing other than with salt water fish

humble mulch
smoky tapir
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you can probably keep the hue hub and block it's access to the internet if that's your worry also.

gaunt flume
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ohh wow

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I was unaware

grim igloo
smoky tapir
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better to learn HA on gear that isn't a "daily driver" then one where your partner can't use the lights 🙂

raven jewel
novel cloud
raven jewel
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For me it's been pretty much constant the last few weeks. I have to manually clear the state

novel cloud
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Interesting, it wasn't always that way? Is it in the same position as before when it worked? I found that depending on what's in front of it, it can cause an issue.

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Have you moved somewhere else to see if it clears?

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That's what I did to troubleshoot

raven jewel
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I've just moved it slightly, but there's one place in my room that's the best place for it to go where it has power and is unlikely to get blocked. There's not been anything in its way.

novel cloud
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Weird. It worked before in the same spot? Any errors in the logs?

raven jewel
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Hmmm, I've been back here for 6 minutes, and it shows my direction as away but presence true

novel cloud
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Interesting. I'm not an expert on zigbee. Direction isn't super accurate for me as in away/enter. I could sit still it will fire an away event but I'm still here with presence being true. Try walking towards it then away to see what it reports?

tropic depot
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the only thing I have seen cause issues w/ them is ceiling fans

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things that constantly move

novel cloud
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Heres the expert ^ lol

tropic depot
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if they are in the path

raven jewel
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I don't have a ceiling fan, or anything in that room that constantly moves.

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I just paired it again, and it's still reporting presence true 😦

tropic depot
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hrm

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there is a button to reset the indicator... we expose it, not sure if Z2m does

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they do take a bit to report when re-joined

raven jewel
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It does. And if I do that it's fine until it detects a person again, at which point it never resets the state

tropic depot
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weird

raven jewel
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I have to go in to set it to true, but I can leave and it never figures out I'm not there

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I wonder if I've misconfigured the device somehow

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I do happen to have a spare Sonoff stick which I can set up with ZHA to pair it to for testing

tropic depot
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there are only a few settings for these... not sure if it can be configured in a way to cause this. That said, I don't know what all the z2m options are. They expose some software based features that we don't

raven jewel
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Monitoring mode, distance and sensitivity

tropic depot
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yeah those are all hardware settings

raven jewel
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It is sitting on a heater, which is off, but I wonder if that's interfering somehow

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Though it's been on there since I had it

tropic depot
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do you know what it is routing through?

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maybe a parent is dropping messages?

raven jewel
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I've just loaded the map

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I get plenty of events through from it though, so it seems unlikely

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It's routing through an IKEA smart plug

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As is a curtain which is right next to it and reporting everything just fine

tropic depot
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as a test

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pull the plug

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it's unlikely

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but worth trying

raven jewel
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Good idea. Any suggestions as for how long?

tropic depot
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I have had issues with them and I replaced them with Sengled Zigbee 3 plugs

raven jewel
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Oh you mean the IKEA plug

tropic depot
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the one in a noisy part of my house would lock up from time to time

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yeah

raven jewel
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I have many of them and don't seem to have a problem, but I shall give it a try

tropic depot
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i'd pull it... push the button on the FP1

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see if you still get events

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if you do

raven jewel
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Yup.

tropic depot
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reset presence

raven jewel
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I can go hide in the kitchen for a minute while I do that 😂

tropic depot
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then trip it and see if it clears

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🙂

raven jewel
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I got a few events, but it did not reset itself yet

tropic depot
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hrm

raven jewel
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I am now resetting it

tropic depot
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try pointing in a different direction too... just to test it

raven jewel
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And I've manually tripped it. I'll empty the tumble dryer to give it time to contemplate life, the universe, and the meaning of 42 😛

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This is literally like watching a kettle boil 🤪

smoky tapir
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What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?

raven jewel
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54 😛

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I'm just re-loading the map. It seems that it's failing to send any event when it doesn't detect a presence though

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... apparently my sofa cushions are present

tropic depot
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are you getting the exiting / leaving event ?

raven jewel
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I do get "away" detected, but it just told me it detected motion. I've been in another room for 5 minutes. And I pointed it at sofa cushions before that!

tropic depot
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weird

raven jewel
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And it's now directly talking to the coordinator

tropic depot
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i'm out of ideas...

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the only thing you did was change the direction it was pointed in?

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before this happened?

raven jewel
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I did nothing to it, just noticed over time that it wasn't reporting "false" anymore. But thinking about it, I can't say for sure it ever did

tropic depot
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what is it reporting as its firmware version

raven jewel
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20210121

{
    "approach_distance": "far",
    "device_temperature": 24,
    "linkquality": 160,
    "monitoring_mode": "undirected",
    "motion_sensitivity": "high",
    "power_outage_count": 0,
    "presence": true,
    "presence_event": "approach",
    "update": {
        "state": null
    },
    "update_available": null
}
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I've been poking at the approach distance and motion sensitivity to try and see if that makes a difference

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I guess the next thing to try is it pair it to ZHA

gaunt flume
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or has 3.0 been out for a while and I missed something? :D

mellow geode
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If they have Bluetooth, they are Silicon Labs based. Some products like Hue Calla and other outdoor lights were silently updated (meaning same package and you don’t know whether you get an old chip or a new one). But at least most bulbs/lights have a Bluetooth logo on them to identify it.

They are Zigbee 3.0 although not the newest revision of "Zigbee (3.0)" (but that doesn’t really matter)

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They support attribute reporting and some other stuff though that the old ones didn’t

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And I’ve had no problems with them (unlike most other brands of lights I bought lol)

gaunt flume
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Alright big thanks!

mellow geode
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Oh, and had no issues with joining devices/sensors through the new bulbs

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Still weird that it doesn’t work for the older ones (but again, I had similar issues)

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Maybe power-cycle them (but I think I also tried that and it didn’t work)

gaunt flume
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I did try that and it did not work

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I will get the new once and give the old once to a friend - I dont need the hub either so I am basically giving away an entire hue ecosystem with like 6 bulbs 2 blooms a light strip a switch and the hub - I am pretty sure somebody will take that - I might even get some money for it :)

wary cradle
wary cradle
smoky tapir
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no guarantee it will work, but pair it directly to the coordinator. settings->zha (*click on X devices link)->click on the "ZIGBEE COORDINATOR". Under device info box, click "ADD DEVICES VIA THIS DEVICE"

grim igloo
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im wondering if i can get away with an aqara door/window sensor at my mailbox to alert when mail is there

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i have a hue bulb out front somewhat close to it..

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i guess the easy answer is just try it

spark depot
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I noticed that Zigbee groups setup via ZHA don't have a room attribute. Which probably makes sense, given that a group could span multiple rooms. But for the purpose of connecting lights of a certain room with – say – a presence sensor in the same room this is a bit annoying. So is there

(a) a way to assign a room to a ZHA group and if not
(b) a way to find all entities that are assigned to a ZHA group, to iterate over them and see if I can draw the room from one of the entities
?

tropic depot
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I am not following

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groups are a zigbee construct

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if there are more than 2 things in the group of the same platform (Light, switch, fan...) you will get an additional entity

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that entity represents the group and can be used like any other HA entity including area assignment

spark depot
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I see! Then I have been looking in the wrong places. I tried setting it all up via the ZHA integration where you can only assign areas in the devices tab, not for groups. Accessing it from the entities tab works just fine. Cheers!

tropic depot
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groups in ZHA are intended for efficient messaging on the Zigbee network

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that way you can send a single message to say turn on several bulbs as opposed to individual messages to each bulb

spark depot
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that makes sense, I have not seen them as their own entities. Thanks for the explanation!

lilac wharf
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How efficient are they really though since zigbee groups are a broadcast that is repeated three times by each router thinkW

grim igloo
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kinda frustrating that it managed to slip under the radar / wasnt mentioned

austere patio
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Using GENERATE within the config files should allow Z2M to randomly generate keys but it seems like 99% of people do not do this when they copy/paste config

grim igloo
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yeah

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i've never seen it mentioned here or in any youtube or blog guides

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seems silly it isnt able to do this on first start regardless of user input

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ah Generating a new network key by changing the key to "GENERATE" is not supported when using the HomeAssistant add-on.

austere patio
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I think it's a problem with legacy users who did not specify it in their config file, but there's not much of a technical argument for why it can't be done

grim igloo
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well that doesnt help (addon unable to do it for whatever reason)

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so once i change it i'll have to re-pair all devices- i know that means factory resetting each of my hue motion sensors but what about bulbs?

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do i have to use my hue dimmer remote to reset those one at a time or?

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from googling it seems if you remove them from zigbee2mqtt they will forever be in pairing mode and be able to be rejoined when you're ready?

smoky tapir
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some power switches (at the very least the sengled E1C-NB7 power monitors) TURN OFF when you remove them from ZHA (and go into pairing mode)

grim igloo
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no switches here only bulbs and a few sensors

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good to know tho

smoky tapir
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thankfully i found out non catastrophically 🙂

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ok, ikea tradfri 800lm color bulbs can do red like my hue ones, but blue and green not so well

grim igloo
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what's the price difference?

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and does brightness change how good the colors look?

smoky tapir
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$20 for the Ikea bulb

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the picture of the plates isn't a bad representation (you can see the blue is very pale)

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i wouldn't put the different brands in the room at the same time

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i'm not sure i entirely care about color though, my lights are more functional less entertainment

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hmm, hue bulbs are up to $41 each in packs of 4

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I see why my friend bought Wiz bulbs instead.

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the new hue colors are 1100 lumens?

grim igloo
grim igloo
smoky tapir
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i thought it was wifi/bt?

grim igloo
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Maybe new gen is

smoky tapir
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I have a bunch of warm/cold hue lights that i scored for $8/each 3 years ago, so that's the majority of my hue lights

grim igloo
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I’ve got mostly non color temp hue except their recessed down lights and 4 candelabra

smoky tapir
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i think i have no color temp ones in my kitchen

grim igloo
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Funny all mine are in the kitchen

smoky tapir
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LWA002 + LWB014 it looks like, and a LWA008 (1600lm)

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trying to find the list

smoky tapir
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sweet, returned the ikea symfonisk, picked up three more of those round 5-button Tradfri remotes ($19 w/ tax), and a styrbar 4 button in the returns section 🙂

dark birch
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damn.. you should have sent those symfonisk to me :). they are hard to find nowadays

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fit perfectly with Schneider Renova