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grim igloo
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looks over at his five 3d printers and various other tech hobbies

tropic depot
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Nice, I’m waiting for an Anker M5

grim igloo
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i cant really justify backing an 'established company' like that on kickstarter

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im hopeful they'll help push the goalposts further but something like that is probably not gonna be game changing long term

tropic depot
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If it leads to good product… why not

grim igloo
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for one it sets a bad precedent that companies can offload all risk to consumers

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specifically speaking about established companies, not companies starting out with no cashflow

glad plinth
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@tropic depot so I plugged the stick into my desktop but when I run 'ncp.py scan' it says {"ports": []} and doesn't find a stick. This is from Windows, I assume that's not a problem?

tropic depot
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You need a serial port driver

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And windows may be a challenge

glad plinth
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hmmm can i upgrade the stick directly from inside HA? I bought a Dell thin client with HAOS pre-installed on it because I couldn't get my hands on a RPi during covid so I don't actually know if it's on docker or how to access anything else on the system outside of HA

tropic depot
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no, you’d need to ssh into the container and pull the project down with git etc

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Install the right driver linked above and try again on windows

warped pebble
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was looking forward to getting my Sonoff E controller tonight and migrating everything over but it got bumped to tomorrow

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NOW what am I gonna do with my friday night??

tropic depot
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Modern warfare 2 just came out 🤷🏻‍♂️

grim igloo
glad plinth
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@tropic depot firmware update successful 😎 thanks for your help

grim igloo
glad plinth
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hope that does it, will give ZHA another try

tropic depot
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You have the coord on an extension cable right?

glad plinth
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yeah

grim igloo
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i wouldnt suggest using that usb stick for zwave btw @glad plinth

tropic depot
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Before you try again lets finish the checklist

grim igloo
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with upgraded fw it might be fine for zigbee but not zwave-js

tropic depot
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What channel is WiFi?

glad plinth
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I have a very limited Z-Wave network right now anyway, just a few motion sensors

grim igloo
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i'd buy a zooz or aeotec 700 series stick and move the devices off it (and buy a usb extension cable to put said new usb stick on)

glad plinth
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WiFi is Google Home WiFi so I can't change the channel (I know, I know), I'm getting Ubiquiti stuff soon to replace this garbage

tropic depot
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Really? That’s insane

glad plinth
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I just bought my house a few months ago, previously just been in apartments so didnt really notice

grim igloo
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dude those eero mesh crap devices wont even let you change dns on them

tropic depot
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ok then try again I guess

glad plinth
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I actually had no idea i couldnt change channel until I tried to do it to strengthen my Zigbee network

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so they're going straight in the trash as soon as possible

grim igloo
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i chose zigbee channel 25 and put my channel 11 ap farthest away from the usb stick

tropic depot
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I’m 15 zigbee and 11 for 2.4 WiFi

grim igloo
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i use 1/6/11 with three APs all with ht20 band width

tropic depot
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they’re more than far enough apart to coexist

grim igloo
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yea

glad plinth
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yeah i think i might change my Zigbee channel too, the default for ZHA is 15 but wondering if thats interfering

grim igloo
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my channel 11 AP radiation pattern shoots out towards the street away from all my other devices

tropic depot
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15 is in between 1 and 6 and generally works in most scenarios

grim igloo
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so it's the ideal scenario imo

glad plinth
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Google Wifi claims that it "automatically detects the best channel based on other devices in the area"... sure

tropic depot
grim igloo
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well im sure it does like overnight but if there's interference everywhere then there is no "best"

tropic depot
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there is an energy scan you can run

grim igloo
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btw i just noticed there is a "HUSBZB-1 fw update cheatsheet" pinned in this channel

tropic depot
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We’ll do that next if you still have issues

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yep

grim igloo
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useful to point people to

tropic depot
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the pins here are all very useful

grim igloo
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yea i've asked for some to be added and removed in various channels

tropic depot
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@glad plinth pull the air gap on the switch

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When you go to try pairing it again

glad plinth
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yep just did

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its in pairing mode, HA searching for devices.... still nothing tho

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the coordinator is downstairs and this switch is upstairs, am I just too far? I don't know what else to do

tropic depot
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🤔

glad plinth
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maybe i should install another switch closer to the coordinator first

tropic depot
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do you have any other mains powered zigbee devices?

glad plinth
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nope these switches are my first

tropic depot
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How far apart are they?

glad plinth
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just sensors otherwise, but the sensors paired without issue

tropic depot
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Oh how many sensors are paired

glad plinth
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house is 4000sqft, coordinator is bottom right of house, i'm top middle

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5 sensors

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its connecting successfully to sensors at the other end of downstairs

tropic depot
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Sensors aren’t in wall cavities with bundles of copper near them

glad plinth
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fair

tropic depot
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install one closer first

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And work outward

glad plinth
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okay

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when i'm working outward, do i need to do anything special to connect the farther ones, or will it just naturally find the best path?

grim igloo
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i am still adoptable.. only 34.. got a few good years left

glad plinth
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I don't think I can adopt someone that's the same age as me, seems sus

grim igloo
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it's a brave new world

glad plinth
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you gotta ask my wife

grim igloo
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do you have any aqara sensors?

tropic depot
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Hahahahaha

glad plinth
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yes, all of them are aqara

grim igloo
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i've read those wont get new routes if you move them

tropic depot
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they’ll hold

grim igloo
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so let them lie in their final resting place then join

glad plinth
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yep they all paired fine from their final location

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got one on each garage door, and all exterior doors

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but thats all on the same floor as the coordinator

grim igloo
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ya but arent you going to be adding new mains powered devices?

glad plinth
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yes

grim igloo
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if so, i think they'd benefit from a rejoin for better routes

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right @tropic depot ?

glad plinth
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ahh i got u

tropic depot
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If they work they work

glad plinth
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I'm going to have 20 mains powered switches in the house by the end of the weekend

grim igloo
glad plinth
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i'll go slap one in a wall downstairs and see if that one can connect, thanks for all your help fellas i appreciate you

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I'll report back in a bit and let you know how it went

grim igloo
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ill follow up with the adoption papers

tropic depot
glad plinth
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my wife is a lawyer so if you need help with the paperwork lmk

grim igloo
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i already have her info

tropic depot
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@glad plinth any progress?

low wraith
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i am having serious issues with deconz right now

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completely dropping out sec i cant even connect to the raspbee

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seems like there was an update yesterday to it and my troubles started then.

grim igloo
glad plinth
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But nothing beyond that unfortunately

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I can't get the second switch to connect to either the coordinator or the other switch, and it's only maybe 15-20 feet away

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There's a few walls in-between but it's not very far

tropic depot
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ok so wanna do a test?

glad plinth
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Sure

tropic depot
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disable your wifi

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to rule it out

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can you get to HA wired?

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since you can't change the channel...

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there has to be some form of inetrference

glad plinth
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HA is wired yeah and I can connect remotely

tropic depot
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that will tell us how the radio env is

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using the ssh addon

glad plinth
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SSH addon says bash: docker: command not found

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for docker exec -it homeassistant /bin/bash

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OS Version HAOS 8.2, Core 2022.10.1

tropic depot
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Oh just telling me?

glad plinth
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thats the sys info at the top of my SSH Add-On

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yeah

tropic depot
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Turn protection mode off

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In the addon

glad plinth
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ok i think i need the other SSH addon for that, this one doesnt have that option but i've installed the other one previously

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one sec

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fml, the Web UI for SSH & Web Terminal is 502 Bad Gateway

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going to restart HA

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i have no idea whats going on

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the add-on won't work

tropic depot
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Hrm

glad plinth
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i installed SSH & Web Terminal from Community Add-ons, but it wont start

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it starts, and then stops

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idk man, im having shit luck today

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oooh

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i need to configure an SSH password

tropic depot
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😂

glad plinth
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Okay I'm in bash now

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so i should use pip install git etc etc?

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pip install git+https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli.git, and then zigpy radio znp /dev/serial/by-id/<tab complete it> energy-scan

Disable ZHA first?

tropic depot
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Yes but you don’t have znp

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You have ezsp

glad plinth
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i got a big ugly python stack trace

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i ran

zigpy radio ezsp /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_Hubz_Smart_Home_Controller_1160006C-if0 energy-scan

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no such file or directory is what it looks like the result was

grim igloo
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Have we confirmed he doesn’t live in a metal box

glad plinth
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no its a castle remember with like turrets and a flag

grim igloo
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Yea but maybe it’s a metal castle

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Idk what bowser is up to these days

glad plinth
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lmmmmao

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alas, the interior is made of the same paper walls as the normal non-castle owners

grim igloo
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I vote buy a better controller then diagnose rf issues if they still exist

glad plinth
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I'm not opposed to that idea, just unclear to me if that will actually help

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other than being old and having 2 different chips in it for Zigbee and ZWave, what would make a different coordinator better?

grim igloo
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It helps rule out failing hardware on your old as shit device tho

glad plinth
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I only bought this thing not even a year ago, i didnt realize it was old AF

grim igloo
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It hasn’t been suggested in this discord for a while.. I almost made the same mistake lol

glad plinth
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pretty sure i saw it suggested on the HA forum but who knows how old the post was, maybe it was reddit

grim igloo
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Ya but Reddit is like a big ocean and sometimes a tiny doesn’t know shit fish 🐠 swims up and gives advice

glad plinth
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what about the SONOFF ZBDongle-P?

grim igloo
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i just have a hard time justifying spending time on obsolete gear when you could upgrade and then start fresh and rule out issues as you go

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i have and like the sonoff p dongle

glad plinth
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arrives Sunday

grim igloo
glad plinth
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guess I'll just go around the house installing the switches this weekend while i wait

grim igloo
glad plinth
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also got it for free cuz amazon points 😎

grim igloo
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i'd buy that or the aeotec 700 series for zwave

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and a usb extender for both or one if you have one

glad plinth
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eh I only have like 2 z-wave motion sensors right now and they seem to work fine with the old dongle, maybe i can just disable the zigbee on this POS and keep it for ZWave?

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or i'll just leave Z-Wave out of it for now until i get my Zigbee stable

grim igloo
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i wouldnt

glad plinth
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i know they're totally unrelated protocols but one problem at a time

grim igloo
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most people pick one mesh and build that out

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i went full retard so i have both

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i liked the zwave light switch options and the zigbee bulb options

glad plinth
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yeah i had a really hard time deciding between Zigbee and ZWave tbh

grim igloo
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however the inovelli blue zigbee switches seem fine, but they're $50 a piece which is hard to justify

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it's really easy to make zwave fall on its face

glad plinth
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ZWave is attractive because of its range and low power consumption but doesn't seem to be getting as much love recently

grim igloo
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i like the zwave protocol better but i think zigbee actually works better especially as you increase in mesh size

glad plinth
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exactly

grim igloo
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it's "range" is actually still shit bro

glad plinth
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it penetrates walls better which is important in a castle

grim igloo
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if you dont have a light switch or some powered device every 10 meters then it's bad

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speaking from experience

glad plinth
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fair enough

grim igloo
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im up to 40 something zigbee and 19 zwave devices

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mostly wired zwave

tropic depot
glad plinth
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Zigbee also seems much closer to Thread/Matter, and the Inovelli switches are actually capable of being flashed to Thread supposedly

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we'll see how that pans out, they already started a separate Thread specific switch project

grim igloo
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i think planning for thread/matter is more of a pipe dream than a necessity. even if it does happen sooner rather than later, chances of guys like us using hass having much benefit is pretty low imo

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at least based on all the surface level shit i've read/watched

glad plinth
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yeah, i'm keeping an eye on it but i'm not running out to replace all my equipment thats for sure

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IP-addressable devices are attractive for sure

slender sapphire
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Cannot connect with zha through Home assistant integration wizard. Sonoff Zigbee Pro flashed with Tasmota 12.2.0.2 when I get to the screen where I'm supposed to put in the socket and the connection speed it won't connect..... even though I'm able to access the Zigbee bridge via WiFi..... followed the tutorials on: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBBridge-P.html and digiblur but something's missing. I'm even able to see the aqanet sensors on the Tasmota home page. Just can't get home assistant to link up.

grim igloo
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oh yeah make sure to flash the sonoff dongle with new fw before you get started with it

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there's a guide for flashing w/ python

glad plinth
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I don't know my ass from my elbow about this stuff @slender sapphire but you're in good company with these guys, hope you figure it out!

grim igloo
slender sapphire
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thanks..... I'm really close but just seem to be missing something

glad plinth
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thanks again @grim igloo and @tropic depot for all your support tonight, ya'll some real ones

grim igloo
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gets adopted

tropic depot
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Keep tryin

grim igloo
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like the drunks in AA say.. it works if you work it

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or so i'm told

slender sapphire
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Zigbee dongle...? How's this different than the Sonoff Bridge Pro

grim igloo
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that link was for sintech @slender sapphire

slender sapphire
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ok sorry

grim igloo
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@tropic depot wasnt the zbbridge one of the devices that blackholes routes?

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or was that another

tropic depot
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No but is that WiFi based?

grim igloo
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on his link ```For Home Assistant (ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT)

This mode creates a TCP bridge from the zigbee module to Home Assistant or Zigbee2MQTT. In this case Tasmota is only relaying all the messages from the zigbee module and you cannot use any Zigbee commands in Tasmota console in this mode. All setup needs to be done from the Home Assistant ZHA integration or.

After Zigbee firmware is flashed and confirmed working in ZIgbee2Tasmota mode, apply the template:```

tropic depot
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If that’s the WiFi one I don’t even bother helping

grim igloo
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cuz it's shit?

tropic depot
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Right but is it WiFi

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The latency on anything but a bullet proof WiFi network (nearly impossible) kills zigbee performance

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You either need a lan based POE or USB coord IMHO

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I think they have one that is lan based now but I don’t know for sure

glad plinth
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Interesting, there are POE ZigBee coordinators? Is there any inherent benefit to those vs a USB coordinator connected directly to HA?

grim igloo
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they can be placed in a more central location

tropic depot
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Just placement

grim igloo
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in my eyes it's still an extra hop

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so at best it's slower by some degree

tropic depot
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they work very well

glad plinth
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I'm wiring my whole house with 10GB PoE in January so this is interesting

grim igloo
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yea im not against them

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i've been recommending the tube PoE coordinator based on other suggestions and his good attitude here 😛

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he said they'll be back in stock in a couple weeks if you want to get on his list @glad plinth

glad plinth
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added a favorite so that i can forget about it next week, thanks!

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just gotta be careful about the WAF - I can see it now "why is there a USB dongle hanging from the ceiling in the living room?"

tropic depot
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😂

grim igloo
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you can 3d print an enclosure for it

glad plinth
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"why is there an ugly plastic box in the middle of the ceiling in the living room?" 🤣

grim igloo
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ugly plastic box?!

glad plinth
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I'd just hide it inside the ceiling fan or something haha

grim igloo
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rocktopus duh...

grim igloo
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that sounds like a faraday cage with extra steps

glad plinth
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nah in like the glass bowl where the light goes

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it'll be fiiiiine

slender sapphire
glad plinth
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I really don't know the first thing about it, I've never used a WiFi based Coordinator, but I can see why people are not in love with the idea just due to the fact that it relies on WiFi

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and sometimes WiFi and Zigbee don't play nice

grim igloo
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yea if it's interface to the lan is over wifi that is fucked

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terrible design

slender sapphire
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ok.... is there a recommended ( read relatively straightforward way) to get these Aqanet sensors to talk with Home Assistant?

grim igloo
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btw @glad plinth are you positive you bought the E dongle not the P dongle?

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i had issues finding the P on amazon when i googled earlier

glad plinth
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whoops. its the E, based on EFR32MG21

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canceling 😦

grim igloo
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pulls out adoption folder

glad plinth
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why would they make two different ones, dumb

grim igloo
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if you want to try ZHA again then the E should be fine

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@tropic depot can confirm but it's not listed as experimental that i know of

glad plinth
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ZBDongle-E is experimental for Z2M

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so i dont trust it

grim igloo
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well

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it's the new chip that home assistant and others are using now

tropic depot
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For zha it’s fine

grim igloo
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and brings either thread or thread/matter support

glad plinth
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oh

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so why doesnt it work with Z2M?

grim igloo
tropic depot
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They started with zstack

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We started on SI

grim igloo
tropic depot
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just what is more mature for each

glad plinth
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I don't really understand the differences between ZHA and Z2M to be honest

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is there any reason I should care?

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I just want a functioning smart home

tropic depot
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main difference is zha runs inside of HA

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Z2m is separated by MQTT

grim igloo
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when researching which to choose i went with z2m because the majority of people suggested it and the number of folks that went zha>z2m were way higher than z2m>zha

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i also did not like the idea of how limited i was with the configuration in zha

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but that seems to be changing

glad plinth
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is there a performance difference i should consider between -E and -P

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or just a chip difference

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@slender sapphire can you link us to the devices you are talking about? I can't find them online

slender sapphire
grim igloo
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you said aqanet -.-

slender sapphire
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sorry... was going on memory

grim igloo
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aqara are going to work with zha or zigbee2mqtt and multiple different controllers

slender sapphire
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I can't connect ZHA to my Zigbee hub

grim igloo
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i know you showed us above that abomination

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sounds like you need to buy a good one and return that

slender sapphire
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return what?

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the sonoff?

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What's a good one?

glad plinth
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yeah most of my zigbee network is Aqara devices so a USB Zigbee coordinator would work fine, you don't need this Sonoff pro Wifi thing

slender sapphire
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ok... so what to buy to make this as simple as possible.... ?

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any good guides?

glad plinth
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It'll come down to the size of your space, and the location of your home assistant server, but a USB device plugged into a USB extension cable connected directly to your HA should be recognized pretty seamlessly by ZHA

slender sapphire
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so could it be the drivers?

glad plinth
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I don't know much about the WiFi device, so I'm not sure what problem you're having

grim igloo
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proper dongle would be something like the sonoff P dongle listed here

slender sapphire
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Sonoff ZBBridge : socket://[IP]:[PORT] for example socket://192.168.1.11:8888

grim igloo
slender sapphire
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ok... got it... ignore the bridge..... link for a proper dongle? Want to avoid the MQTT Zigbee at the moment.

grim igloo
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i'd still suggest the same dongle lol

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i cant find it in stock on amazon

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if you are going to use ZHA instead of zigbee2mqtt then you can buy the E dongle instead of the P dongle

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which is on amazon

glad plinth
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which is what i just bought

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... again

slender sapphire
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@glad plinth did you send a link? I'll amazon it....

grim igloo
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i messaged you sintech

glad plinth
slender sapphire
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ok... thanks....so the 10,000 ft. view of this : Buy the dongle, home assistant will "see" it.... add your sensors.... automate?

grim igloo
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yes

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well

slender sapphire
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For the total NOOB.... what's the "E" vs. the other versions?

grim igloo
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you also want to buy a usb extension cable

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the usb ports of your pi or pc or whatever you are running home assistant on cause interference

slender sapphire
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Why the extension cable?

grim igloo
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and that messes up zigbee and zwave signals

slender sapphire
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ok... how long a cable?

grim igloo
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that is a paper written by intel guys explaining it

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idk just away from the usb ports and away from like a server rack or other metal

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i use a 10ft and it works fine but 5ft or whatever is fine too

slender sapphire
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Mucho Gracias

glad plinth
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-E and -P are based on different chips, -E works fine with ZHA but is listed as experimental for Zigbee2MQTT, -P works fine with ZHA & MQTT

grim igloo
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also p is considered trusted because it's known working for a longer period of time (matters to some)

slender sapphire
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should one just get "P" to cover both options?......

grim igloo
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if you're wanting zha then it doesnt matter. i have the p and it works for me

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e is newer and can bring support in the future for thread/matter but whether we're gonna benefit from that much is to be seen

slender sapphire
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Is "P" type available ?

glad plinth
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yes just not on amazon

grim igloo
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not on amazon that i can see

glad plinth
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you can buy it from other sources like aliexpress or directly from itead who makes the sonoff stuff

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or maybe resells it?

slender sapphire
grim igloo
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yeah i linked it above

slender sapphire
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thanks

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so if you were headed to a desert island and could only take one... which ?

grim igloo
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sucks to come in here and realize you have the wrong shit but better not to waste more time on bad product

glad plinth
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does the desert island have power?

slender sapphire
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nuclear

grim igloo
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heh

slender sapphire
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no, I totally appreciate forthrightness

glad plinth
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get the -P if you can wait a bit longer for it to arrive, the patience is what kills people (me)

grim igloo
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i bought it off ali e and it got here after 9 days i think

glad plinth
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the -E will arrive on an Amazon 2 day delivery truck, the -P will not

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but the -P supports both in case you want to switch to Z2M some day

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be warned tho, switching means setting up your devices again

slender sapphire
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I think I'll wait and get the one shipping from 、中国

glad plinth
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hey @slender sapphire

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sorry, it was hard to find, if you haven't gotten one from china yet this is the one you want

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Pre-flashed with Z-Stack / CC2652P is the -P

grim igloo
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ahem, chyna*

slender sapphire
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Thanks... I just did the China thing but good info.... in 10 days or whatever I'll revisit the debacle that has been trying to get the damn bridge to work.

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🙏 Thanks for your help

grim igloo
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yep later dude

long girder
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Anyone know what might cause certain sensors to be missing from devices in ZHA?

I’m using an aqara fp1 presence detector but it only shows one sensor (occupancy), when it is listed as having many more (and in a video about it someone shows more on their HA device page)

I’m on the conbee II and running ZHA

mellow geode
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It’s correct that there’s only one sensor (when using it via ZHA). There are multiple device triggers for use in automations though

long girder
mellow geode
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You can also see the events firing in real-time on the device page or in the logbook

glad plinth
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Gosh I want an Aqara FP1 so badly but not badly enough to order them off AliExpress

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I'm jealous

mellow geode
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Mine all arrived and they’re really nice, just took some time

smoky tapir
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for me here in california,usa either one is $32 USD and I can have them in 48 hours via prime.

tropic depot
scenic hearth
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hi all, having an issue with trying to get z2m set up in my unraid, think most is sorted although its not staying active. cant post a shot of my logs for some reason but my config is here https://pastebin.com/NHeM0qVF

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Error: listen EADDRNOTAVAIL: address not available 192.168.86.9:9442
at Server.setupListenHandle [as _listen2] (node:net:1415:21)
at listenInCluster (node:net:1480:12)
at doListen (node:net:1629:7)
at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:84:21)

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just noticed this as an error, not sure what it means

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nevermind, seemed to have sorted it

slender sapphire
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Morning, I was chatting with the folks in here last evening and they recommended the dongle above(I went ahead and ordered it). Then, I got to thinking.... I never told them I'm using Portainer and a container as my Home Assistant install.... what/how will that affect the setup of ZHA in Home Assistant... and as always thanks for your ideas and thoughts.

grim igloo
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but as long as your hypervisor supports usb passthru then you're fine with the sonoff or w/e usb dongle

scenic hearth
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So I'm having issues with my z2m, i cant get anything to connect, i managed to get two devices connected, one seemed ok the other wasnt properly connected it seemed but now nothing else, so i decided to change channels for my zigbee which obvisiouly reset everything and kicked the devices out but i cant get anything to reconnect, what the hell is going on? permit to join is all good. Anything else could be stopping it. Using unraid.

slender sapphire
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@grim igloo You mention hyper visor (which I'm thinking .... is that a Microsoft VM.... or is that a general term for a VM) to my knowledge it's docker but maybe I also used Virtual Box...(oracle I think)

harsh zenith
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Anyone here using Inovelli Blues with zigbee2mqtt yet? I'm used to setting device parameters in z-wave js, and this is my first real usage of zigbee2mqtt - and I'm a little lost on how to set parameters (like dimming speed, and min/max dim levels)

grim igloo
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Idk how you’re running a container without knowing what a hypervisor is lol

grim igloo
slender sapphire
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@grim igloo the PoE coordinator is new to me.....that's what has me a little flummoxed on the whole Zigbee Bridge Pro as when I mentioned it, it seemed like the overwhelming response was negative so I'm headed another direction but when flashing it with Tasmota through the blakadder directions I thought the coordinator piece was part of that along with firmware to the chipset.

grim igloo
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You definitely need to know how you’re running home assistant to get accurate answers tho

grim igloo
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This assumes you have a decent wired network setup not shoe strings of course

slender sapphire
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@grim igloo I'm using a docker container and portainer.....and virtual box

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I'm on a Windows box.... and I thought my OS was Hass.io

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Is there a way through SSH & Terminal to sort this?

grim igloo
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if you're up to date then i guess youre setup is this: windows 10/11/server -> virtual box -> portainer managing containers

slender sapphire
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yes

grim igloo
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but docker container home assistant is not the same as home assistant OS (previously hassio)

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so that doesnt really make sense when you say hass.io

slender sapphire
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can I share screenshots somewhere.... pastebin or something?

grim igloo
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did you install home assistant like years ago and never update it and now you are wanting to revisit?

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if so, you are in for a rude awakening lol

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you can upload to imgur they are allergic to pics here

slender sapphire
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My core is: 2022.5.4 and my HA OS is: 8.5

grim igloo
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😦

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then you arent running a container

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you are running haOS

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and it's 5 months out of date with no telling how many breaking changes

slender sapphire
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just one breaking change coming that I know of

grim igloo
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in 5 months? i doubt that

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idk we're outside the scope of zigbee at this point

slender sapphire
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you're deflecting...I'm really just wanting to talk about Zigbee.

grim igloo
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deflecting lol.. have fun

slender sapphire
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I sensed your passive aggressiveness but was trying to be cordial.

grim igloo
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you're being weird. i'll let someone else help you

slender sapphire
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exactly.....

patent timber
#

Anyone ever had Deconz stop working randomly? My setup been working fine for years but today I am experiencing lights not responding to inputs, home assistant reflects the state changes in the UI just fine but the lights do not respond

long girder
# tropic depot What other sensors are folks exposing?

Not other sensors exactly, just some extra info, like whether what it detects is moving towards the sensor or away.

In a video I saw of an earlier version those were listed under sensors in the device card instead of as triggers for automations

mellow geode
glad plinth
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@tropic depot @grim igloo fun fact, apparently I'm not alone and there are a lot of people experiencing pairing and routing issues with the new inovelli blues 😣

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There's a whole troubleshooting thread on their forums now with lots of reports of failing to pair in zha/z2m from less than 10 feet. RIP

lavish vault
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Do anyone have aqara e1 thermostats on really old radiators? Mine doesn’t have the strength to push in the pin that determines the amountnof heat

molten linden
long girder
mellow geode
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Ah, yeah. That's how Zigbee2MQTT presents the device. I don't think MQTT in HA can use "device automation triggers", so it has to have more entities.

ionic abyss
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my zigbee woes with ~20 devices appear to be fixed by switching from ZHA to MQTT 👍

grim igloo
weak needle
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My Zigbee2Mqtt setup seems to not be able to pair device when its far from the coordinator. I have 71 routers and 30 end devices in my place. Spread within 3 floors.

I am using the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus-P

stable stratus
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Hello, I don't know if this is the right channel for this so here is my problem:

I just bought 2 of the Aquara E1 Thermostats and added them via Zigbee2MQTT Edge and they show up and the controls work just fine. If you are using the Aqara app you can set an external temperature sensor to be used by the TVR but I dont have an Aqara Hub so I can't test it. In Z2MQTT there is an option to toggle between internal/external but no way to specify which Sensor to use. Is there any way to specify the sensor somewhere else?

sour shadow
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My Zigbee2Mqtt setup seems to not be

vital phoenix
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Anyone have any idea why my smart things power outlet UK connected to ZHA is reporting silly values for power usage

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its reporting using 3100 Watts

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when the maximum draw of the dehumidifier connected to it is 350 watts.

scenic hearth
mellow geode
unborn orbit
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@molten linden Hey Tube, how have your inovelli blue series been working? any issues? saw your twitter post

gleaming jay
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Anyone overcome pairing issues with an ikea symphonies remote? I can pair the remote but it generates no events when listening on zha_event

unborn orbit
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@molten linden also out of curiosity, what coordinator do you use for your setup? TI or SI? z2m or zha?

molten linden
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they are nice. looking into something about them though. seem to be some variation with the RF on some them so trying to sort that out.

gleaming jay
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I checked the battery with a volt meter and it's super strong

molten linden
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I use ZHA with a SiLabs MGM12 for my Home network. Test networks with CC2652 and SiLabs MGM210

gleaming jay
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when i re-pair the only zha_event i get is "device offline" immediately after pairing

molten linden
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the one I posted on twitter about is has a ceiling fan load, really just want it as a switch, and to match the other in the box 😂 . but the fan was not happy with it in non-neutral mode. so I decided to bite the bullet and run a new neutral so spent some quality time in the crawlspace but did it with out any holes in the wall!

lilac wharf
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Trying to set up ZHA on a fresh HA Container install that will be used for travel (don't judge... I just like to tinker). I've passed my USB adapter through to the container, but ZHA says "failed to connect" when I go through config flow. Nothing is printed in the logs. I've tried both Z-Stack and EZSP adapters that are both confirmed to work. Any suggestions? I run z2m on my main instance, but I'm going for simplicity with my travel HA instance, so ZHA it is

molten linden
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can you talk to them outside of the container from the host? typically this would be something else locking the serial port or not being able to connect at all.

lilac wharf
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@molten linden yeah, nothing is locking the port

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out of curiosity, i just spun up a z2m instance, and it's able to talk to the coordinator fine

gleaming jay
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@molten linden so when you plug in your coordinator to the local network, home assistant can see it and add it as a coordinator?

molten linden
molten linden
gleaming jay
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does it matter what version of HA you're running (haos vs container etc?)

drowsy goblet
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tube, you've been messing with inovelli blue signal issues?

lilac wharf
lilac wharf
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it's cool that ZHA asks if you want to keep the current network settings on the stick. i think it used to just erase and form a new network before?

drowsy goblet
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speaking of Sonoff, the tutorials I found link to Z-Stack_3.x.0 20220219 as the latest firmware but I just saw a post in Inovelli forum about something from September. No link or other info though. Is there another place for newer more updated firmwares?

unborn orbit
unborn orbit
molten linden
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me, no, just some wide variations in the reported signals of the neighbors

drowsy goblet
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yeah, I have that problem also

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I installed 4 of 20 but I can't really get them to connect or work reliably so I'm holding off on installing more.

mellow geode
drowsy goblet
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Somebody mentioned that the blues seem to go to sleep and need a command (that fails due to sleep) to wake up, and then they work after that, and I kinda see that happening

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the z2m herdsman throws an error, as if the switch goes into a mode, this code fails and results in the 1st message failing, then it wakes up and this code starts working again, ...at Object.readEletricalMeasurementMultiplierDivisors (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/reporting.js:26:5) at Object.configure (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman-converters/devices/inovelli.js:1219:13) at Configure.configure (/app/lib/extension/configu...

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hence my question about a newer version of sonoff firmware, curious if this is just an issue due to something out-of-date or if it impacts everyone

unborn orbit
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I'm still waiting to get my blues but am thinking of holding off on installing with all the issues i'm reading about

drowsy goblet
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IMO depends how easy or difficult your install is

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I'd try 1 if you can

lilac wharf
unborn orbit
drowsy goblet
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I'm pretty confident that this is a software issue. I'm not super worried about it. I'm just not going to replace most of the switches in my house until it's ready, otherwise my family won't be very happy with inconsistently working lights.

unborn orbit
drowsy goblet
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I just swapped some of my non-smart-light switches. Like the light in my garage was just a regular led bulb on a regular switch. Now it's a regular bulb on an inovelli switch. It works totally fine like any other switch locally. I just can't get it to automate with my Hue outdoor motion sensor yet.

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but it couldn't do that before either so nobody cares.

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and now I have a cool blue light on the wall lol, and then eventually it will be motion controlled and the led will change colors and everybody will love me and call me the greatest dad ever lol (or not haha)

grim igloo
unborn orbit
drowsy goblet
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woo, solved one problem with my inovelli switches (which wasn't the switches)

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I switched from addon mqtt broker to a standalone mqtt broker a day or two ago. I updated z2m addon to use the new broken, but HA mqtt integration device discovery (that I didn't know was a thing) was still looking at the non-existent addon broker.

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and now I can sleep (because I can turn off the lights again lol)

dusk thistle
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Does the ZHA zigbee network heal itself with time? I just stupidly moved my coordinator across the house and then migrated to a new coordinator, all within 1 day. I'm having some unresponsiveness with my devices...

devout sundial
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Hey guys, I’m trying to update my ikea stuff using OTA. The updates are getting pushed, the devices eventually report 100% update done, but the firmware version does not change in zha

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Also is there a way to migrate to zigbee2mqtt without having to repair everything and without losing the devices and settings in zha? I have close to 100 devices

misty oasis
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Do you know of any zigbee button that just works? Battery powered? I have tried ikea ones - disconnects, tuya ones - bit better, but super poor battery life. I guess, if I go by my experience with sensors, BT is preffered.

devout sundial
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I never have issues with ikea, do you pair them from the main hub or the closest router?

misty oasis
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usually from the main hub

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i thought it should route by itself, but anyway the visibility to the router is very good from where the buttons are anyway

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I can try from the router, but from experience it will make it work a day or two and than it becomes offline

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My current experience with zigbee things is that stuff that is main connected kinda works, TS011F even kidna good, but anything on battery is just pain, maybe i misunderstood same basic concept, but bt stuff, since it just pairs with the pin, does not suffer from this, at least, that is my experience

smoky tapir
misty oasis
smoky tapir
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that was my assumption based on the comment. At $25 USD for a three pack of buttons, I figured I would try and see how they worked.

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I haven't owned it long enough to give you any feedback on battery life though

devout sundial
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I installed my ikea buttons six months ago, never had to change the batteries yet

hoary hornet
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hey guys can anyone help me? I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why **zha goes completely unavailable everyday and only fixes when I plug and unplug the zigbee stick from my VirtualBox Docker **

sour shadow
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The CC253x sticks are known to crash like that

hoary hornet
# sour shadow What stick?

I had used nortek HUSBZB-1 which had the problem, I changed to sonoff conbee plus and it worked for a day and same thing

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Im in the process of repairing all my ZigBee devices and seeing if that fixes it

sour shadow
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I doubt it, but the logs will help identify the problem

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I suspect that Windows/VirtualBox is the problem

hoary hornet
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Yeah it's given my issues in the past but other times it's been stable for weeks at a time. If this continues to happen after repairing everything I'll ask again

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I heard something about disabling modem manager on the virtual box Ubuntu VM but couldn't for the life of me figure it out, tried ssh, tried typing the commands into VirtualBox and nothing

sour shadow
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Well, it's only relevant if you're running Ubuntu in that VM, if that VM runs HAOS then it's not relevant

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It should be pretty obvious if modem manager is installed, at least if you followed the instructions

misty oasis
drifting bronze
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Hello guys ! is it possible to control a single click, double, long press on a zigbee wall mounted switch ?
thanks for the help

violet dagger
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Does it have those click options?

lilac wharf
misty oasis
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smartthings zigbee?

lilac wharf
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Yes

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You did ask about zigbee buttons, right?

misty oasis
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yes, and smartthings is a brand?

lilac wharf
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The smartthings buttons do single press, double press, and hold. The linkind do single and hold

sour shadow
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The Xiaomi Aqara buttons also work well, and do a bunch of things

misty oasis
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linkind button is not available in eu i think

sour shadow
misty oasis
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i have aqara vibration thing only when i tried aqara and kinda meh

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like it reacts to only lot of vibrtions 🙂

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but if it stays connected for 2 weeks without issue i will buy the button too

sour shadow
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I've been using a couple of the buttons for a few years now, they work fine

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They've been less trouble than my Hue "dimmer" remote

misty oasis
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although to be honest i would prefer BT ones as my experience with xiaomi BT temp and humi sensors compared with zigbee ones is night and day

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bt just works 😄

sour shadow
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My experience is that if you buy the right stuff, Zigbee just works

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Tuya is mostly a disaster

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Osram ... nono

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Sonoff ... their wired stuff is fine, battery powered not so much

lilac wharf
misty oasis
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weird!

misty oasis
misty oasis
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i mean what is few more hundred to try the aqara button for myself now that I have so much tuya stuff that is in reality unusable.

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well unusable for me, asi i guess i'm very demanding person

sour shadow
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Then... research first, buy second

misty oasis
sour shadow
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Well, here is a good start

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You can search the channel history, ask questions, etc

misty oasis
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or if you scroll up, with ikea buttons here, but in reality, at least for me, ikea buttons just stops working, weird

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so sometimes i thing i'm doing something wrong

sour shadow
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Then it's probably a problem with your routers

misty oasis
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but how do i find that out, it is not possible to say to the device that it should not be router

sour shadow
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Well, you could do worse than provide this channel with a list of your routers

misty oasis
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and also i can tell zigbee device what routers to connect to

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how can i get the list from ZHA?

sour shadow
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No idea... don't use it

misty oasis
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perfect 😄

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anyway i think mostly TS011F

sour shadow
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Ah, more Tuya

misty oasis
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sadly

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but those one work for all the normal stuff

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very rare for tuya, well it is not without a bug, at least with default settings they do work

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well honestly i don't think tuya stuff is much worse than others, at least from my experience, only REALLY stuff reliable so far that i used are things flashed to ESPHOME or BTHOME, unless there is hw failure, they just work - it is not zigbee stuff trough and sadly i have lot of zigbee tuya stuff as i thought i will go with tuya and switch to HA afterwards :/

sour shadow
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Tuya is worse, just ask people here 😉

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Particularly the ZHA devs, who have to battle the insanity

misty oasis
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so the conclusion is when using tuya devices at all (since i can't chose what is router) nothing on zigbee network will work?

sour shadow
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Well, the problem is that Tuya is a provider of firmware and cloud services

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Other people make the hardware and then use that

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The result is that it's really only intended to work with their ecosystem, and so a lot of it is ... made to the minimum possible "standard"

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Every time you buy you roll the dice

misty oasis
# lilac wharf 🤔

omg i was living in a lie and spreading the lie event, it is actually zigbee

lilac wharf
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Yeah, I don't think Samsung or Aeotec have ever made a zwave version of that button

misty oasis
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thanks, i will see how it works, first issue i see is the classic delay when it is waiting if i will be double clicking to determine single click, tolerable 🙂

lilac wharf
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It's pretty quick IMO

misty oasis
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at least better then tuya one i was trying that does internally keep on/off state, so every press i need to reset it's state to off so it is not confused 😄

lilac wharf
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Ew

misty oasis
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I guess maybe it makes sense to remove of devices that are close to the coordinator and are not tuya to different coordinator and use zigbee2mqtt for them to see if maybe it will behave better without tuya routers

prisma shell
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Morning. Im trying to migrate zigbee and restore a backup, but it tells me failed with an unknown error

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what's the best way to get a more verbose output?

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oh nevermind. 3rd try worked.

unborn orbit
mellow geode
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Newer "LEDVANCE" products (controllers that come with a QR-code for Zigbee 3.0 pairing on it) are mostly fine

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Everything that reports as OSRAM and is using the LightLink profile is total garbage

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but I'll gladly sell you my 3 OSRAM plugs lol

mellow geode
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so it's probably best to stay away from OSRAM/LEDVANCE if possible

grim igloo
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for clusters i can choose between 65535, genbasic, and groups

mellow geode
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It's not possible. The door sensor doesn't send on/off commands

grim igloo
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i found a github issue mentioning that but then i wondered if genbasic would still work

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so it's not possible to bind them in any way?

mellow geode
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Nothing on the Basic cluster controls anything on a bulb. So no, not possible

grim igloo
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when searching i stumbled on a reddit post where people using their hub were binding to homekit

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bummer

mellow geode
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That's not Zigbee binding then

grim igloo
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so binding isnt all its cracked up to be

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so for future info- i need clusters on both devices to match up with whatever i want to bind?

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for example, genonoff?

mellow geode
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Binding can work really well. For example, Hue and IKEA motion sensors send a "timed on" command on the OnOff cluster. If bound to a light, it'll turn on the light for a few minutes. You can't change any delays though. If you want to do that, you'll need to use Home Assistant for that (or other "hubs")

grim igloo
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also this isnt specific to zha or z2m or anything right? it's just a limitation of the device not being made to whatever spec it should or could be?

mellow geode
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No door sensor will ever bind to a light and do something useful (by spec).

grim igloo
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yea i have multiple hue motion sensors but havent tried doing any binding yet

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probably a good time to visit that

mellow geode
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Yeah, they support binding (although I don't use it for various reasons). But motion sensors also don't have to support this

grim igloo
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So what would you bind door and window sensors to?

lilac wharf
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Nothing

south moth
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I am using Ikea Signal repeaters as, well, repeaters. One of them keeps falling out of the network in /conbee2. Once I re-plug it everything works fine. The repeater very close to the Conbee stick, about 4 meters. How can I fix this ?

austere patio
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Is your Conbee on a USB 2.0 extension cable?

south moth
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Yes, about 50 cm long

silver abyss
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Anyone know where I can buy a "Frient Electricity Meter Interface" here in EU ?

potent gulch
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Does anyone solution or answer... Im using Home assistant + sonoff zigbee 3.0

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Im tryin to connect IKEA on/off trådfri switch (well i succesfully paired it) to home assistant, but when pressing buttons, nothing happens

grim igloo
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with zha or z2m

potent gulch
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and im using ZHA

warped pebble
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unrelated side question, what's the best strategy for migrating Hue bulbs paired with the Hue bridge over to a new zigbee coordinator. I'm moving everything onto a new sonoff controller and Zigbee2MQTT

grim igloo
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you have to factory reset motion sensors and dimmer remotes

warped pebble
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k

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can you remind me on how to trigger a hue bulb into pairing mode?

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once it's been deleted

grim igloo
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bruh

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reread what i said lol

warped pebble
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thank you

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lol

grim igloo
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oh you mean after the fact?

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if you already removed them you have to do a fun dance

warped pebble
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awesome thank you for that

grim igloo
# 

With one of the two Hue Dimmer switches it is possible to put the bulbs into a factory reset.

    Power-supply the bulb
    Bring the dimmer switch next to the bulb, as close as possible
    Hold the I/On and 0/Off button pressed simultaneously for 10 to 12 seconds until…
    The bulb flashes a couple of times. Don't release the buttons until the last flash + a safety second
    Switch the bulb off and on again: it can now be paired again.```
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but that is the hard way. easy way is delete a bulb from hub and it starts wanting to pair and add to z2m by turning on "permit join all" at the top

unborn orbit
mellow geode
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if they work for you, that's great and there's probably no reason to replace them then

mellow geode
grim igloo
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why would you have to manually do that?

warped pebble
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@grim igloo is there a firmware I should flash to my recently delivered sonoff usb P?

grim igloo
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yea

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actually no i did the python way

drifting bronze
grim igloo
warped pebble
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the amazon listing states "Pre-flashed with Z-Stack 3.x.0 coordinator firmware"

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but I suppose it can't hurt to flash it myself

grim igloo
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right

potent gulch
mellow geode
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What "comes as an entity"? The switch?

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Ah. What coordinator are you using?

potent gulch
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connected via zigbee coordinator

mellow geode
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Yeah, what stick are you using as a coordinator?

potent gulch
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Sonoff zigbee 3.0 plus

mellow geode
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Ok. Did you try to re-pair the switch again? It's possible that it just failed pairing

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The IKEA switches have been a bit finicky in my experience

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Just click on "Add Devices" in ZHA and press the button in the switch four times quickly to re-pair it.

potent gulch
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I have, few times, tried another model aswell. basic on/off and switch that have buttons to left n right too, same result

austere patio
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How many other devices are on your network? Any routers (e.g. bulbs)?

potent gulch
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10 devices

austere patio
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Any routers? How close to the coordinator are you joining this button?

potent gulch
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0 routers, there is like 1m between switch and zigbee dongle

mellow geode
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So just to confirm, the devices are all sensors/switches/battery-powered?

potent gulch
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well, 2 bulbs, 4 sockets, 2 door/window sensors, and now 2 switches

austere patio
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That's probably why. There's a firmware bug with your Sonoff stick that will prevent IKEA end-devices like this from properly joining the network if they decide to join through the coordinator itself.

grim igloo
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only ikea branded non-routers with p series dongle?

austere patio
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Move the device to where it will actually end up sitting (since Zigbee devices don't really like being moved around) and join it specifically through the closest router

potent gulch
mellow geode
grim igloo
austere patio
grim igloo
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ah quite a bit bigger scope then

potent gulch
grim igloo
austere patio
potent gulch
mellow geode
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Ah, yep. That's the P stick running Z-Stack then

austere patio
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P for ZNP/CC2652P 😆

grim igloo
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P for puddly4president

austere patio
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Why didn't they use Z or something...

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Anyways, pick a device that isn't running off of batteries, click the three dot menu next to the Reconfigure button, and select "Add devices via this device". Reset your remote and re-join it to the network via that specific parent, it should immediately join.

potent gulch
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Ill try

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Thanks!

austere patio
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Or move the remote to where it will actually sit (and not a few inches from the coordinator) and click the "Add Device" button. That should also work, assuming it's closer to some other router.

grim igloo
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is there a way to force a z2m repeater to do the same thing (forcing it to be the first hop of whatever device you want to join next)

austere patio
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Last I checked the "permit joins" button is a dropdown that you can select individual parents through, on the right

grim igloo
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derp sure enough

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i'll have to start using that instead of hoping they pick the best

mellow geode
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They can also move around the network (and pick another parent) after they've joined

smoky tapir
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from hardware channel, tqo questions. One, how can i determine (with logs) how oftern my zigbee power monitors are polled or reporting (not sure which way data is coming into HA). I can see the "last changed/updated" data, but i want to know how it works, and google is failing me). And two, anyway to calibrate zigbee power monitors?

grim igloo
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i thought end devices specifically aqara wont do that

mellow geode
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Yeah, well somewhat. I've seen first-gen Aqara sensors move around but it seems like they mostly don't do it(?)

austere patio
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It wastes a ton of battery to scan for a new parent so devices try not to do it unless their parent is completely offline or they're having periodic issues contacting it

grim igloo
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sounds logical

austere patio
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Though the logic is in no way standardized so it's whatever the device firmware decides to do

grim igloo
mellow geode
austere patio
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They're really inconsistent. I think my motion sensors with the fast polling hardware mod do, but the temp sensors do not. I think the door sensor also does not?

grim igloo
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what do due motion sensors like to do?

mellow geode
hoary hornet
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Hey guys does anyone know why this is happening? https://prnt.sc/RsZAe-sJ5pUi
It's been constantly happening every few hours, even after repairing all zha devices

austere patio
hoary hornet
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Sonoff zigbee 3.0 , VirtualBox VM with dedicated 4 cores

austere patio
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Which host OS?

hoary hornet
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Ubuntu 64

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The machine is windows

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Running Ubuntu vm

grim igloo
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Wait you have nested VMs?

hoary hornet
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No lol , I have a windows machine running VirtualBox, I don't know if it matters but during the virtual box config I chose Ubuntu 64

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And then installed Haos

austere patio
hoary hornet
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Legend thank you

drifting bronze
misty oasis
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Reset the signal?

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On press turn off itself automation basically

mighty river
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Does anyone else have a issue with conbee II currently? My says "Failed to set up" from time to time and works if i do a couple of reloads
Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE: 225>

tropic depot
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RF interference

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do you have an extension cable

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are you plugged into a usb 3 port

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is the conbee near an SSD

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is your wifi occupying the same frequencies as zigbee

mighty river
tropic depot
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aint gonna work w/ a conbee

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the manual even states that it needs to be on an extension cable

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RF interference nukes the conbees badly

mighty river
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ohh! so that can be one of my biggest issue !

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I actually had no idea about the extension cable!

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Need to dig one up, thanks!

mighty river
scarlet gust
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anyone have a recommendation on colored downlights that are not hue? did some searching and hue obviously comes up a lot, I also saw zemismart, but wondering if anyone else has suggestions

grim igloo
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do they have to be zigbee?

scarlet gust
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looking for 4 inch and 2 inch lights. 4 inch seems to be easy to find, just need to figure out who to order from

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2 inch are hard to find

grim igloo
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ah not bulbs

scarlet gust
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preferred?

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i could do wifi but trying not to crowd my wifi network

grim igloo
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you're talking about cans right?

scarlet gust
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yeah

grim igloo
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like the mini gu10 cans

scarlet gust
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although I think my existing lights are canless

grim igloo
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put them in a bathroom.. very happy with them

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idk if i'd buy 10 like you said due to overloading APs

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but honestly they arent chatting all the time

scarlet gust
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sure

grim igloo
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they can run tasmota or w/e too

scarlet gust
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ok I'll think about these, thanks for the link

grim igloo
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yea

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frenck broke cct support with the wled integration back in february so you gotta use a workaround if you want wled on them

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not the end of the world tho

scarlet gust
grim igloo
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initially a disagreement over implementation, then frenck needed time to update integration, then limbo (we're here now)

tropic depot
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i know hue is expensive but I just switched over to them

grim igloo
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when i followed up he said code testing not actual user testing

tropic depot
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replaced a bunch of sengled stuff

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IMO they (hue) are worth the money

grim igloo
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i like all my hue devices (non rgbw)

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i just cant justify $40+ per bulb

tropic depot
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the accuracy and the lumens etc are unmatched

grim igloo
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that is outrageous

tropic depot
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i felt that way too

grim igloo
tropic depot
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the BR30's are 1200 lumens

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that's insane

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nothing comes close / compares

grim igloo
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i've heard by a few folks they arent actually that good as far as cri goes. i dont know enough to argue either way

scarlet gust
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that's a clever URL

grim igloo
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yep

scarlet gust
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I am tempted on the hues but don't want to spend the $$. Let's see what black friday brings

lilac wharf
grim igloo
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i havent tried those but i've heard their 15w is pretty good but i've also heard the bulb itself is BIG

austere patio
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Anecdotally, I filled my house up with ~$15 dimmable IKEA bulbs. Random bulbs start flickering about once a month and then completely burn out the next month. I think I've already replaced half of them in two years.

grim igloo
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damn

tropic depot
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I never wanted to do it

grim igloo
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i've seen lots of suggestions for ikea instead of hue.. good to know they suck

tropic depot
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but i got one for testing ZHA and was very impressed

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and then got sucked in

grim igloo
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i will say that i will never suggest hue ambiance candellabra

tropic depot
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lol

scarlet gust
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I mean everything I've read about them is basically "trust me it's worth it"

austere patio
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They're fine as long as you don't keep them in a recessed enclosure or in a place where they can get hot

scarlet gust
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I just moved in this summer so I am not there yet, got other things to spend money on

scarlet gust
grim igloo
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what about the $50 inovelli blue switches

tropic depot
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😄

grim igloo
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gonna cut the kid's college fund for those?

scarlet gust
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lol I have zwave switches installed across the house

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that was my first project

grim igloo
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i have all zwave switches and zigbee bulbs cuz i hate myself i guess

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no complaints just no way to to binding/direct association

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if hass dies nothing works since smart bulb mode with smart switches

scarlet gust
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I try to stick with zwave when I can, but for bulbs zigbee is hard to beat (of course there's wifi, but network congestion)

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hmm you bring up a good point

grim igloo
scarlet gust
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yes but those are bulbs

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I need recessed lights

grim igloo
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yea

scarlet gust
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good to know though thanks

grim igloo
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i'd have to turn off smart bulb mode via multi taps

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which i have turned off on the switches because i wanted triple tap up/down to work lol

smoky tapir
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fyi on lifecycle, all of my hue bulbs (RGB, warm/cold, fixed white) are 3 years old without flickering or other issues

grim igloo
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yea i think my hue are around that old mostly

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and the motion sensors with crazy battery life and just working is pretty nice

warped pebble
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I'm getting things set up in Zigbee2MQTT and none of my IKEA Tradfri battery devices are reporting their battery levels in Home Assistant

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I know they can because DeConz would report it

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is this a bug, a configuration issue, or a known thing

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(If anyone knows I mean)

smoky tapir
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yea, my hue motion sensors i just replaced the 2xAA for the first time in 3 years

warped pebble
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my hue motion sensors report their battery and i see it in HA

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the product support page for the IKEA switch says it exposes battery. hm.

grim igloo
warped pebble
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not on the HA side, no

molten linden
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gledopto has downlights, I have one in a box and haven't tested it yet. the zemismart are tuya so careful there. Halo made one it's pretty old now but worked in my testing.

warped pebble
unborn orbit
unborn orbit
grim igloo
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grouping in home assistant?

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or direct associations in zwave? or?

unborn orbit
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they don't really work

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sounds like it was an issue with the original manufacturer that they refused to fix the firmware

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also had to return 2 of them within the first month. i've got a total of 9 and essentially stopped using them

grim igloo
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damn

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disappointing

unborn orbit
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definitely, especially for the price tag

grim igloo
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i went full retard with hue before i got any zwave stuff

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so i have all my bulbs covered already

unborn orbit
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i've started to get more and more hue

grim igloo
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just no good way to get stuff to work when hass is down

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tbh zwave is probably not a good option for a lot of things but i do like my zooz switches

unborn orbit
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honestly though my zigbee network is still less than ideal. it's still not even close to being as stable as my z wave network

grim igloo
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not me

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both are great

unborn orbit
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i still can't pinpoint why my network isn't as stable. routers keep falling off the network all the time. have done all the usual stuff with wifi/zigbee channel separation, etc

lilac wharf
grim igloo
lilac wharf
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Ah gotcha

grim igloo
lilac wharf
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Binding (or association in the case of zwave) for some stuff though

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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no inter chat

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well when i looked at zigbee switch options i didnt like them

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the inovelli blue i guess are what i'd consider good ones but pricey and not really available plus still working out kinks

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@unborn orbit dude get help in this channel im sure your problem is solvable

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have you done an environmental scan?

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or looked at logs and see what is fucky wucky

unborn orbit
mellow geode
# grim igloo i just cant justify $40+ per bulb

also love all my Hue bulbs but here (Germany) they're often on sale. A couple of months ago, I got three E27 "1100 lm" color bulbs + Hue Bridge (which I could theoretically sell) for 79€ (now $79 heh). That's like 26€/bulb ($26/bulb) plus a free Hue Bridge.

Oh, and the chandelier/E14 lights (have multiple different gens) are also fine for me

grim igloo
unborn orbit
mellow geode
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150 devices is fine

unborn orbit
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130 are routers

mellow geode
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okay, that's a lot of routers but should still be fine. What coordinator are you running?

unborn orbit
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tubezb 2652

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but i've also tried sonoff and tubezb efr32 on zha

grim igloo
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so you're going over lan

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how's your wired network?

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b33fy?

unborn orbit
#

yep. it's omada tied directly into switch

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pretty beefy

mellow geode
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What routers are you running? (OSRAM, IKEA, Hue, ...?)

grim igloo
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cool

unborn orbit
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osram, hue, ecolink, eaton, ledvance, sonoff

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previously added a bunch of dedicated sonoff routers and tube routers but that ended up oddly making things worse and they would just constantly drop off the network

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recently updated tube to dev firmware as well

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removed a few more devices and things have gotten more stable

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oddly enough now every 3 days or so i have to restart the poe tube device

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thinking thats an issue with the firmware

mellow geode
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With dev firmware you're talking about dev Z-Stack (and not the ESPHome stuff)?

unborn orbit
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yep

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haven't touched the esphome firmware

mellow geode
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I've had issues with the dev Z-Stack firmware and reverted back to 20220507 Z-Stack dev firmware.
There's also a "small" thread about it here: https://github.com/Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware/issues/383

Basically, the coordinator randomly freezes. I think Tubes ethernet stuff should automatically "restart" though

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New "dev" firmware should release soon-ish though

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SimpleLink SDK 6.30 is out (6.20 was horrible for me)

unborn orbit
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as it stands now, i'm down to 96 routers (mostly light bulbs) with 14 end devices

mellow geode
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So the OSRAM bulbs. Not familiar enough with Z2M, but does it have a way of knowing whether it has a ZLL profile or a ZHA profile?
Like, old OSRAM firmware (mostly running on the CC2531) is almost unusable.

unborn orbit
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honestly have no idea how i'd find that out

mellow geode
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Hmm, can you check the zcl_version attribute on the genBasic cluster? (2 or higher means Zigbee 3.0 and for OSRAM should mean the firmware is "okay". 1 for OSRAM could be bad)

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Also, is it always the same devices dropping out (or the same brand)?

unborn orbit
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unreportable_attribute

mellow geode
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yeah, there might be another place to read it

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or is there like some "debug string" (called "signature" in ZHA) that can be generated for a bulb?

unborn orbit
#

it's also one of the devices i had to make the js for

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there are five of those on my network

mellow geode
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What's the manufacturer name (OSRAM?) + Zigbee model ID?

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Can you try to read zclversion or zclVersion on the Basic cluster?

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~~ Thought Z2M has a drop-down but it apparently doesn't~~

unborn orbit
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it's under reporting on the device

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but it keeps coming back with unreportable attribute

mellow geode
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that just for the zcl version on the Basic cluster

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(and also model id + manufacturer)

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and maybe also datecode

smoky kestrel
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Hello ! Do we have a sticky/pinned thread somewhere that lists good zigbee switches ?

unborn orbit
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zclVersion":1

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ah got it

mellow geode
# unborn orbit zclVersion":1

okay the OSRAM lights might be your issue then lol. Also check model + manufacturer + date code + app version please

unborn orbit
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i've got 3 types let me check them all

grim igloo
mellow geode
#

what exactly?

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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what do you mean the osram lights me be his issue

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oh osram is a brand and the lights might be blackholing routes?

unborn orbit
smoky kestrel
#

I'm looking to smartify about 50+ switches, mix of 1-way, 3-way, dimmers, and normal switches. Still trying to decide between zigbee or ZWave.. Looking for recommendations and guidance.

mellow geode
grim igloo
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i was thinking ok.. nvram.. osram..

mellow geode
mellow geode
unborn orbit
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Read result of 'genBasic': {"modelId":"LIGHTIFY Under Cabinet TW","manufacturerName":"OSRAM","dateCode":"20150601N****","appVersion":1}

mellow geode
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Ah, yeah. LIGHTIFY is the oldest stuff possible and the firmware seems to be from 2015

unborn orbit
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it was the only under the cabinet light that was zigbee i could find :/

mellow geode
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They have silently updated stuff to use Zigbee 3.0 now (although that firmware still isn't the best but at least doesn't have any major routing issues AFAIK).

unborn orbit
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Read result of 'genBasic': {"zclVersion":2,"appVersion":1,"manufacturerName":"LEDVANCE","modelId":"RT RGBW","dateCode":"Jan 7 2019\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0000"

mellow geode
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If you have a second Zigbee stick or a Hue Bridge or whatever, could you try putting the OSRAM Lightify devices on that and see if your main Zigbee network stabilizes?

unborn orbit
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these are the other sylvania

grim igloo
mellow geode
grim igloo
#

You can buy a controller and attach to led strips

mellow geode
unborn orbit
#

yeah may end up having to do that with led strips. it was the easiest solution though to replace builder stuff

grim igloo
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I personally like wled with Wi-Fi for my strips

unborn orbit
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problem is have to do it for each under cabinet which is a pain. there are 5 total

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yeah i love wled

grim igloo
mellow geode
unborn orbit
mellow geode
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I'd put them on another Zigbee network for now then (or at least remove them from your main network).
In the future, you might be able to fit a custom controller (WLED/Zigbee) on those perhaps?

unborn orbit
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yeah may just have to replace them if they really are the issue at hand

unborn orbit
mellow geode
#

Maybe also check that all other OSRAM/LEDVANCE/Sylvania lights have a zcl version that's 2 or higher

grim igloo
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It sucks

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I gotta redo them with sk6812 instead of ws2812b strips for better white

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The right side cabinet I have on its own esp syncing to the other

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Everything else is on one controller with 4 outputs

unborn orbit
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that should be all of them

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Eaton looked liked this Read result of 'genBasic': {"zclVersion":2,"appVersion":1,"manufacturerName":"Eaton","modelId":"Halo_RL5601","dateCode":"20170417-206"}

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so that should be okay too right?

mellow geode
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well, idk. Generally, "zcl_version=1" just means they're Zigbee 1.2 or whatever (but not Zigbee 3.0).
The OSRAM Zigbee 1.2 stuff is known to be bad

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It doesn't mean that all stuff with zcl_version=1 is bad though

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But generally, higher is better lol

molten linden
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@unborn orbit check my github for newer esphome fw. it's in beta folders under each model right now, but it's been solid, and finally runs on current esphome releases.

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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Cuz his name is fun to say?

molten linden
#

not sure if it will help with anything but 🤷🏼‍♂️ as older fw was pretty solid but on older esphome releases (for a reason).

unborn orbit
molten linden
#

you all should look on the bottom of the PCB's 😂 might find a clue as to my name.

mellow geode
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(but mostly ZHA related issues and not Z2M heh)

molten linden
unborn orbit
#

@mellow geode I really appreciate all your help

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Wish i had known about those lights. they were a pain to install

grim igloo
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Haha

unborn orbit
#

any tips on running those led lights?

grim igloo
grim igloo
mellow geode
grim igloo
unborn orbit
grim igloo
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If they have a good diffuser and aluminum to put strips on for heat dissipation that’s good

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For strips I have lots of advice to give but it depends on layout and other stuff

unborn orbit
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think i have ws2811 led strips around

grim igloo
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I mean if you could use the old hardware to put in

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You want sk6812 for rgbw with dedicated white channel most likely

unborn orbit
#

are they 12v?

grim igloo
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For aluminum channels deep ones help diffuse led circles better

grim igloo
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But rgb to get white looks off

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It’s too big of a project to not buy the leds that work best

unborn orbit
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well these will be super short runs so probably don't need to inject

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hmm looks like you have to choose the kelvin on the white channel though?

grim igloo
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Yea most do warm white

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Wled will do cool white with rgb which isn’t as bad compared to warm with rgb

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For a controller personally I’d use a dig quad or esp32 with your own board

unborn orbit
#

are you using nodemcu for wled?

grim igloo
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Fused and ready to go

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But a zigbee controller is an option

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I’ve seen people suggest gledopto here but no idea on what they can do

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Other stuff to look out for is how you position the leds to minimize hot spots against the wall/tile

mellow geode
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I have a few GLEDOPTO Pro devices. They're mostly fine. You get firmware upgrades via email (lol).
Make sure to only buy the "Pro" devices though.

unborn orbit
#

what could i use instead i guess that would be us code compliant