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frigid mica
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I’m impatient, I already drilled it 🤣

molten linden
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only 3 mins lol

frigid mica
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Haha yep

ember pine
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Am... I being blind or does Z2M really not expose a "Down Hold" action for V1 Hue Dimmers...

frigid mica
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I took out the network cover and tested on that

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Thanks though :). I think I’ll be getting one of these 3D printers too

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The case is really nice and I have access to solidworks

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Thanks @molten linden

molten linden
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nice!

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step files are on my github.

frigid mica
molten linden
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whatever fusion 360 exported 😂

frigid mica
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Ah haha

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If you want, I can take your case to one of our machines and measure the accuracy of the print in comparison to the step file

molten linden
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no worries. lol

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I'm constantly tuning the printers and the different colors print slightly differently. they are made to have some play.

frigid mica
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Ah, nice

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Are you running vol comp on your stage? I’m curious how deep you can go with these printers

molten linden
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nah. also highest thing I've printed has been like 100mm.

inner cave
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Hello, after recent update of zigbee2mqtt and ha to the latest version, invert_cover option seems not to work anymore, any suggestions ? 😉

frigid mica
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@lilac wharf that was pretty easy to pair all this stuff, but I did have to make a traveling light fixture to factory reset the phillips hue bulbs

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I found the 4 pack and the hue hub combo box for $125, when a 4 pack of bulbs is $150. So I have a useless hub atm

lavish vault
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Hi! Now I’ve tried everything I can think of. I have a conbee II stick currently connected to an unraid vm running HAOS which works just fine. However, while waiting for the Yellow, I’m trying to migrate to a compute module 4 on a compute module io board. Running HAOS also. The conbee stick won’t show up. It doesn’t matter if I have the stick on an extention cable (tired both usb 2.0 and 3.0), and without, with a powered usb hub and without. Nothing works. Does anyone have any tips?

tulip patrol
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@lavish vault have you tried plugging in any other USB devices to see if they get detected or function?

lavish vault
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I just remembered that I hadn’t tried that so now I’ve tried adding a coral and a usb stock and that isn’t detected in the ui either. Is there another way to check?

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By ssshing in or something

tulip patrol
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HAOS makes it painful, even if you ssh to it, you only get access to the container, not the os itself

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Plug in a USB keyboard and see if the caps lock key lights up when toggled

lavish vault
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Good idea, two seconds

tulip patrol
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Which compute module io board have you got btw?

lavish vault
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The official one

tulip patrol
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Ok

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That's probably why

lavish vault
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Oh

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Gonna try it

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To edit that file, i need to connect it to my computer right? I can’t do it from ssh

tulip patrol
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You won't be able to get to it via SSH..

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Try mounting the SD card on your PC and see if you can access and edit the file

lavish vault
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I’ve tried it but now it won’t boot so I messed something up

tulip patrol
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If that doesn't work, you may be able to use the command 'login' from the ha command prompt once you've got a SSH session going to get to the os shell

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Then you would be able to edit the file

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Sorry mate, they've made it way harder than it should be

lavish vault
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It seems to work

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Thanks so much for your help!

tulip patrol
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Awesome. No worries 🙂

cold obsidian
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I do search for a power-plug with energy monitoring for EU (Germany). Any suggestion what to use?

violet dagger
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Innr f.e.

tepid gorge
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Is there a deeper documentation about ZHA? The one at home-assistant.io doesn’t go that much into details I believe

mellow geode
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There‘s some network related stuff on the zigpy GitHub repo under Wiki

stable dew
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Guys I have 5 Linkid lights I've put into a group in Z2M. I have also have IKEA switch which I want to use to control these lights. I go to web guy > Ikea Switch > Bind > source 1 destination group of 5 lights and click bind. It works perfectly except that for whatever reason, it also binds to my Xiaomi D1 light switch which isn't in that group

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It makes no sense. I reset Ikea switch to factory settings, did binding agian and once again, it did all 5 lights + left button of Xiaomi switch

finite heron
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ZHA: I am getting into the guts of Zigbee for the first time. I have moved some TS0203 door sensors from Tuya cloud to ZHA. Works well but all sensors showiing 1% battery , even when new. I have turned on all the debugging logging I can . I can see the alarm status changing, and availability messages. I can't see anything about power - what should I be looking for ?

clever geyser
thorn cobalt
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How many devices can be on a conbee2 in z2mqtt? I have around 120 lights(hue) 20 inner smart plugs 75 sensors mixed between Aqara, hue and many weird things are going on! For example some devices won’t report back their state until we walk back in it. I can’t add any more lights or sensors they won’t get picked up?

misty olive
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Hi , how many devices is limit for skyconnect

raven jewel
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What kind of devices are you talking about? Zigbee doesn't have a single limit, as devices can use others as routers it's not a simple answer

sour shadow
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The direct limit depends on firmware, but typically a few dozen to a hundred directly connected devices, and a few hundred or more on the mesh

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A few hundred routers will probably be more problematic than a few hundred sensors, just because of the extra traffic

misty olive
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Okay 🙏 and any here have the skyconnect usb ?

sour shadow
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1st Batch Shipping Nov/Dec 2022

stable dew
maiden cliff
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The sonoff zigbee dongle — I assume it’s usb 2, right? Not 3?

sour shadow
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Zigbee isn't high enough bandwidth to benefit from USB 3.0

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Also, USB 3.0 interferes with Zigbee

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Zigbee tops out around 250 kbps, which is far below even USB 1.1

quiet swan
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Hi all - I had 3 Hue bulbs added via ZHA but have since deleted the ZHA integration to try Z2M. Problem is I didn't remove the Hue bulbs first so I think it's still tied to the lost ZHA instance, and I have no idea how to put them into pairing mode. I only have the Hue bridge and not the dimmer -_-

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I have tried to re-install ZHA integration and restore from backup but it took way too long I think it's just failing out

quiet swan
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All good - Hue app lets me use the Hue bridge to add the bulbs via their serial numbers, so I did and deleted them via the app and Z2M now picks them up ^_^

clever obsidian
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Ack!! What other ways can I get HAOS to see my Aqara motion sensor again? It went unavailable recently, which wasn't an issue as I was planning to move the HA device closer to it, but after moving it I just cannot get it to re-detect it. Using the ZHA integration built into HA, and no mater how many times I try to reconnect it just won't be seen. I only have two Zigbee devices, a door sensor placed about 10 ft away through one wall, and this motion sensor which is maybe 15-20ft away and through a few walls, but it worked for nearly 2 months uninterrupted before randomly going unavailable. Battery isn't an issue, it went down when it was still around 79%.

e: Any tips to get it reacquainted?

austere patio
vital bluff
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Is there a process for submitting a recommended change for 'confirmed working with'?

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This works flawlessly with ZHA.

lean echo
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I'm trying to figure out why some of my devices take sometimes (it's kinda random) too long to react and I'm starting to think it could be some issue with my zigbee network...
I have a total of 58 devices which 34 of them are routers and all the devices I have "complains" about are close to routers (or even some of them are routers)
The only other thing I could think about is the channels... My zigbee network is on channel 11 while my wifi 2.4 is on 13... could that be the issue?

clever obsidian
austere patio
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If you aren't already using a USB 2.0 extension cable, use one. Battery reporting on older Aqara sensors is also extremely unreliable so I would replace (or swap) the battery just to be safe.

tepid gorge
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I am trying to bind a motion sensor with a light, using z2m, but I get the following error: Failed to bind cluster 'genOnOff' from 'Rörelsesensor entre' to 'Lampa entre' (Error: Bind 0x70ac08fffe9d2aca/1 genOnOff from '0x000b57fffe4bb615/1' failed (AREQ - ZDO - bindRsp after 10000ms))

sour shadow
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Not everything supports binding

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Even then, you have to wake the end device for it to receive that

clever obsidian
austere patio
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Removing won't do anything (other than deleting your entity configuration) if the device is unreachable

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Just add it again, without removing it. ZHA will treat it as a re-join

clever obsidian
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Ok, awesome, I'll give that a go.

lean echo
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How can I safely run HellCry tool to check the best channel for my network? I'm using HAOS and I can run the exact command that is there in the code as it says the volume directory is read only

austere patio
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What code are you trying to run?

lean echo
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docker run -it --name bellows --device=/dev/ttyUSB0:/dev/ttyUSB0 -v /home/docker-files/home-assistant:/data -e EZSP_DEVICE='/dev/ttyUSB0' -e LANG='C.UTF-8' walthowd/husbzb-firmware bash

austere patio
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What Zigbee radio are you using?

lean echo
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Sonoff

austere patio
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Which one? The -P or the -E?

lean echo
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Sorry I was trying to check, but I can't find what exact model it is

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Is this one
SONOFF Universal Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus Gateway with Antenna for Home Assistant, Open HAB etc. https://amzn.eu/d/8RN9xuC

austere patio
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That's the -P variant, which is wholly incompatible with the above tool

lean echo
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☹️

austere patio
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Can you get into the HA docker container? docker exec -it homeassistant /bin/bash

lean echo
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Sure, gimme a sec

austere patio
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Disable ZHA, run pip install git+https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli.git, and then zigpy radio znp /dev/serial/by-id/<tab complete it> energy-scan

lean echo
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I use Z2M

austere patio
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Then disable Z2M and run those same commands 😆

lean echo
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Sure

tepid gorge
lean echo
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ok, so I should get an average of that output I guess?

austere patio
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What does your scan result look like?

lean echo
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sometimes the one I am wins (11) others 17, 18

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the majority of the time 17 and 18

austere patio
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I'd stay away from channels other than 15, 20, or 25 due to the WiFi overlapping issues other channels will face

lean echo
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I use 13 on my 2.4

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I can change that one actually, I have very few devices on the 2.4 TBH

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but the problem is the neighbours I guess

austere patio
lean echo
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do you happen to know how to copy from the web terminal? otherwise I'll just ssh and run the command again 🙂

austere patio
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No clue. Maybe try holding down a modifier key? Or just screenshot it and upload that somewhere.

lean echo
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I tried the screenshot, but I can't paste it here for some reason, just gimme a sec

austere patio
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The bars are what you want to avoid

lean echo
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results are slightly different now... doesn't look like 11 wins that much

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😮

austere patio
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I'd suggest 20

lean echo
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I thought that was better! lol

austere patio
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Lower energy is better 😆

lean echo
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🤦‍♂️

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and what's the problem with 22?

austere patio
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2.4GHz WiFi APs try to coexist with one another and usually try to pick channels 1, 6, and 11, as they don't overlap

lean echo
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aaah I see what you mean

austere patio
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From your scan, there are "lumps" exactly where you would find WiFi APs on channels 1, 6, and 11

lean echo
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it's funny that mine is on 13 but still... 🙂

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so do you think this change will improve the response of my devices? I will have to pair so many of them again 🙈

austere patio
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Ah, your country may have extra WiFi channels

lean echo
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or maybe I'm doing something ilegal... not using the ISP router 😅

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well, I guess I'll try to give it a go over the weekend

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in the worst case I'll be on the best channel I can be 😆

austere patio
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How many battery operated devices do you have?

lean echo
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I have a total of 58 devices which 34 of them are routers

austere patio
lean echo
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so 14

austere patio
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But you will also have to change it in the Z2M config file, and in the coordinator_backup.json file so Z2M doesn't get confused

lean echo
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sorry 28... oh... my maths are really bad at this time already

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cool! I'll give it a try

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worst case scenario I gotta just pair them all again 🙂

austere patio
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Let me know if it works and if which types of devices don't end up migrating

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I'd personally recommend channel 20, as you will be somewhat safe from WiFi

lean echo
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I won't do it today... I have my in laws visiting and they just arrived and I can hear them complaining already because I turned off Z2M 😆

austere patio
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22 is a tiny bit quieter but it's in the channel width of WiFI 11

lean echo
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I can run a check on wifi analyzer with my phone and see how 11 is looking

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for the wifi 2.4 it says 11 to 14 are the very best, full stars, so then it should be ok to place it on 22 right?

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I live in a residential neighbour with houses, so not many wifis around

austere patio
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If the WiFi analyzer says 11 is a good channel, you will have to hope that no AP picks it 😄

lean echo
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(sorry for my bad English... in laws around speaking to me in Spanish... It's so difficult to mix languages XD)

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gotcha... so better be safe and pick 20 then?

austere patio
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It's up to you. I'd pick 20 but maybe in your environment no APs are strong enough to make a difference.

lean echo
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I'd say only 2 houses could do something the other ones are quite far away (minimum of 20 meters to their walls I'd say)

austere patio
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Do you have a WiFi mesh system? Maybe it's forming networks on the three channels.

lean echo
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nope, I have a dual band router but configured separately, no need of a mesh actually

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I think I'll go for 20 if it's safer and then I'll forget

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Thank you a mill @austere patio ,you once again helped me so much! 😊

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I'll let you know how it goes with the tool for migrating channel

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Are these tools made by you BTW? Like the other one you suggested me to migrate radios?

austere patio
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They are. It's where they go before being (eventually) exposed in ZHA

lean echo
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Such an awesome job!

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I'll be happy to report you whatever the output is 😊

austere patio
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Thanks, I appreciate it!

tepid gorge
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Anyone good at binding devices?

supple iris
# austere patio Thanks, I appreciate it!

Found the source of my channel 17 interference. I use a beta cable modem that must have been sent a new fw and enabled the cable companies wifi. Problem now is this new fw I no longer have the ability to turn their wifi off! It's a corporate thing to push cable wifi into everyone's homes.

austere patio
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Wow, that's annoying. Do you have a metal pot large enough to cover the whole modem/router 😆?

supple iris
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Short of wrapping the modem in foil, not sure what else to do lol

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Yea very much so, I'm going to have to put it in something

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Just afraid of overheat if I wrap it

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Or I can try to find an ethernet coordinator like you suggested so I can move mine away from the rack

austere patio
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You can make or buy a 2.4GHz-blocking Faraday cage

supple iris
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OK I can look into that

lilac wharf
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Ew

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I'm glad my ISP lets me use my own modem

supple iris
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For sure, I can too, but I beta test new speeds before public and have to use this one. And free is best lol

silent lintel
sour shadow
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FYI, everything after the ? is irrelevant - it's just tracking

silent lintel
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Gotcha!

austere patio
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You will if you order the "4pc switch" color

sour shadow
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Color: 4pcs switch
Would suggest four buttons

silent lintel
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Thank you gentlemen!

brave nacelle
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been avoiding zwave because zigbee has been great to me - but is there any reason not to use it?

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i can't seem to find a damned single pole zigbee dimmer

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no neutral in this old house

lilac wharf
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Not really apart from zwave stuff generally being expensive

brave nacelle
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is it as reliable/quick as zigbee?

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in fairness, this is my first non-wifi experience (zigbee) and it's so much better than wifi

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but if i can run zwave and zigbee and utilize other devices that are in zwave but not zigbee, why not

lilac wharf
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I don't have much experience with zwave

lean echo
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I've seen people saying they use the 3 of them, so I guess it's possible, but I don't know if you'd end up in with signal clashes

lilac wharf
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In theory it's probably slower than zigbee due to lower throughput but likely not to a perceptible degree

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We're already talking very low throughput anyway

lean echo
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Other than that, AFAIK zwave needs to be certified, that's why usually is more expensive, but at the same time that should be a guarantee of everything working as expected? (I don't know)

lilac wharf
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It is

lilac wharf
lean echo
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Didn't know that, good to know! Or maybe not that much anymore waiting for the new standards lol

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I honestly never tried because I saw all the common and decent-cheap devices are zigbee and didn't feel like buying a zwave coordinator

crude otter
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i think there was issues with zwave in australia

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like, freq or something

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919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz apparently in AU

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"The Z-Wave protocol operates on the low-frequency 908.42 band in the U.S. and the 868.42 MHz band in Europe."

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so most zwave devices would not work for me.. lovely 😛

fresh citrus
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I hate ZigBee. I had huge issues with devices dropping out and becoming unavailable.
I went from a ConBee to Eleleabs stick with new firmware, set up ZigBee channel, repaired everything and so on.
Now things are dropping out again.

Is there a way I can see if a router is acting up? Using ZHA.

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Maybe there's a limit to what ZigBee can do, I've got 80-85 devices...

sterile sleet
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Sounds like one or even multiple routers failing at the same time

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You should not have these issues with 80-85 devices

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Zigbe almost has no device limit

fresh citrus
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It has worked for 6 months. It's extremely frustrating. Any idea on how I should start finding the broken router? Unplugging one and waiting isn't an option

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There's a few of these from
Logger: homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base
Source: components/zha/core/channels/base.py:486

[0xBA0B:1:0x0006]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>'), DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>')]

This I haven't noticed before.

sterile sleet
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I have only ever seen such garbage output with the conbee, sorry i have no idea about elelabs but it seems to do the same? 🤔

fresh citrus
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Yeah I thought it would be better. That's why I bought it.

austere patio
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All it means is that ZHA asked the radio five times to deliver a message to the device, and the radio could not. Something isn't routing right on your network or you have a bad mix of devices.

fresh citrus
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I have a ton of different ones and it has worked for a long time. So a router is probably bad. How do I find which one?

austere patio
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Hard to tell. Likely some Tuya device or an IKEA bulb or something that locked up. Reboot the devices that don't work (physically power off for at least a few seconds) and see if that helps.

fresh citrus
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Yeah I've done that and then other devices drop out after a day or so.

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I don't have Tuya devices but I do have a bunch of IKEA bulbs. And those are dropping out, together with Aqara sensors and IKEA blinds.
Some router might be bad but I need to find it.
Shouldn't there be logs telling me what router that fails to communicate?

austere patio
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The radio is responsible for routing, it's all done in firmware. The error says that when a message was attempted to be sent to 0xBA0B, the radio responded with DELIVERY_FAILED.

fresh citrus
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And it did work flawlessly for about six months after switching to the Elelabs stick.

austere patio
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And if some intermediate router is in a broken state, it will just black hole messages going through it. IKEA devices occasionally do this.

fresh citrus
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Can I get info on what that is? IEEE name? Manufacturer or so?

austere patio
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If you look for BA0B in the debug log, it'll show you what device currently has that address. You can also search for it in the visualization through the Highlight Devices feature (though the contrast is a little low so watch closely as you type).

fresh citrus
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Ooh, thanks I have a look

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BA0B doesn't exist so it might be gone. Why does it talk to it then? Shouldn't it be removed?

austere patio
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If it's being initialized it's in there

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Though if you rejoined the device, it may have changed its NWK address

fresh citrus
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I'll let it be for a while then reboot and see if I can find anything.
Hopefully Matter will solve some of these compatibility issues.

misty olive
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Any here have experience with zigbee dongle PoE ?

sour shadow
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Which one?

misty olive
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Exactly that one. It works perfectly or ?

sour shadow
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Yes, it does

misty olive
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And do it has matter ?

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Thread

sour shadow
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There's a reason they're regularly recommended

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It's a Zigbee coordinator, it does Zigbee

misty olive
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It’s same chip as skyconnect ?

sour shadow
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The chips support Thread

misty olive
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Thx 🙏

sour shadow
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You didn't ask if there was Thread firmware though 😛

misty olive
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So do you know the difference on that one vs skyconnect

sterile sleet
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is it time for a skyconnect matter channel maybe? 😄

sour shadow
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They're completely different internals

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That's like asking the difference between a Mac and a PC

misty olive
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So what is the difference? I am newbie

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In this world

sour shadow
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They're totally different internals, they have nothing in common at a hardware level, other than using USB

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If you're going to use Zigbee2MQTT buy Tube's device

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If you're worried about Thread, don't be - it's still mostly a future thing

misty olive
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And what’s special with skyconnect ?

sour shadow
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Nothing?

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It's just a stick that does Zigbee and will eventually do Thread

misty olive
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Hmm .. it’s so difficult this world 😂 all these choices

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What’s your setup ?

sour shadow
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Zigbee2MQTT on a CC2652 based stick

misty olive
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I just want stability

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I have around 100 devices zigbee

sour shadow
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When Thread becomes a big enough deal I'll worry about it then - but Matter and Thread are still mostly a future thing

misty olive
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Okay

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So zonoff dongle E

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Is perfect?

sour shadow
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No

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If you're going to use ZHA it should be ok

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if you're going to use Zigbee2MQTT it's crap

misty olive
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So what dongle would you recommend

sour shadow
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You need to pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT - then worry about which coordinator

misty olive
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And what is the difference here

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

misty olive
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I have a lot of Philips hue devices

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Why did you choose zigbee2mtt ?

sour shadow
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  1. It's not in HA, so I can upgrade it separately, use it in two installs of HA (such as a test install), run a test instance of it to try out changes/new devices - I like decoupling
  2. At the time ZHA was pretty limited by comparison
  3. Z2M's device support is clearly documented, you know what works. ZHA's device support is ... pretty vague and you can't always tell what's going to work
misty olive
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Aah okay

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Make sense

sour shadow
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Both are pretty solid solutions, it's all about what you prefer

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Lots of people like all-in one, and the advantages ZHA brings (see the bot message above)

novel crown
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Anyone has an idea, how to make this a bit more robust? I use the SQL integration to get values from the zigbee.db, since they are not exposed as entities. Concrete I use this sql statement:

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SELECT value FROM attributes_cache_v10 where ieee = '84:2e:14:ff:fe:62:0f:20' and cluster = 513 and attrid = 16433

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issue is that with updates the table names changes version too "attributes_cache_v10", attributes_cache_v11",... and so on. This brakes my heating which is a bit annoying

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What creates the zigbee.db and how does ZHA know which table is the most current one?

misty olive
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What setup can handle 100+ devices?

sour shadow
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Any with a decent coordinator and healthy routers

tepid gorge
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I have added a Sonoff SNZB-01 Wireless button inside Z2M. In HA it shows up as a sensor rather than a button. Howcome?

sour shadow
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Because it's supported as a sensor? Lots of buttons work that way

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HA's button is pretty damn new

tepid gorge
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ah okay - been playing around with Zigbee and added it to ZHA first time and then it came up as a button

sour shadow
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ZHA only has to support HA

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Zigbee2MQTT is an entirely unrelated piece of software that just happens to support HA alongside many other platforms

tepid gorge
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and thus most buttons of that type are supported as a sensor?

sour shadow
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I'd expect so

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I don't know if Z2M has any support for the new button entity, and even if it does I don't know what's required to enable it

tepid gorge
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Thank you!

maiden cliff
#

So the big difference between the two isn’t so much about what you can make happen when you press the physical button (albeit with different syntaxes), but that if it was a Button you could throw the entity into an entity card and it would automatically give you the ability to “press” the button virtually?

nova flint
# sour shadow 1) It's not in HA, so I can upgrade it separately, use it in two installs of HA ...

Pretty much the same reasoning for me here. I initially set up ZHA, but quickly found out about the device support issues (especially when it comes to Tuya devices). Bedroom curtains just did not work with it properly (as in, controls showed up but did nothing) back then.
Z2M setup was painless, everything just worked, and I've even successfully migrated the setup from server to server twice with no issues.

sour shadow
#

My current Z2M install started on a Pi, for testing purposes, and migrating it to a proper host was the work of about 3 minutes, most of which was reconnecting the USB stick

nova flint
#

👍 Yep, exactly my experience too.

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The best unexpected side-effect of swapping to a proper host was actually how much more responsive the lights became.
Which was weird, as cpu/memory side on the RPi were not high to begin with, but lights still went from "0.5-1sec delay from zigbee button press to zigbee lights on" to "absolutely instant"

sour shadow
#

I'd the same moving HA from a Pi3 to a decent platform - while the Pi was still largely idle, the difference was night and day

tulip patrol
#

Probably storage speed related that delay, I've got a similar SBC to the pi4 except it has onboard emmc and everything is instant

nova flint
#

RPi I had it on was running off a usb3 nvme m.2 enclosure. So slightly slower than what it currently is, but still don't think it'd cause that noticeable of a difference.

sour shadow
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It's not

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Other than they both handle Zigbee devices

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I prefer Z2M, for all the reasons I wrote about earlier today in this channel

polar aurora
#

Can anyone offer any advice / help in troubleshooting - For some reason today over half of my zigbee devices 40+ have stopped communicating (including mains powered) within zigbee2mqtt. Range / Link Quality has never been an issue in the past and some devices close to main co-ordinator (CONBEE II) are also offline. I've tried the usual things - rejoining (fail) force remove and rejoin (fail) rolled back to an earlier HA backup. I just don't know what's caused it, the logs are just full of failed comms from automations etc. Devices that are still linked are functioning fine?????

sour shadow
#

What's in the Z2M logs?

polar aurora
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Nothing pointing me towards any issues, its either successful actions to devices that are still responding or failed actions to devices not responding. I'm not seeing anything pointing to a specific issue.

sour shadow
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ConBee on a USB extension cable?

polar aurora
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Currently rolling back to an even earlier backup (5 days ago) so will be able to drop some of the log data in.

#

yeah ConBee on extension as it always has been, I've even flashed it with the May 2022 firmware today in the hopes that might fix it.

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My only thought right now is that some of the devices out of action may have been routers to some endpoints, but the mesh should be tight enough to loose them still.

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Error 2022-10-21 15:18:05Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Office Outer' failed: 'Error: Command 0x001788010bbd9eb3/11 genOnOff.off({}, {"sendWhen":"immediate","timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (no response received)'

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So this is an error me trying to change a state - just no response recieved

vital bluff
#

Can anyone confirm if the Aqara FP1 Presence Detector supports regions when used with ZHA?

Struggling to find an explicit answer. Have seen multiple sources say regions are not supported via ZIGBEE2MQTT and are via Deconz with a workaround but nothing definitive about ZHA.

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Aqara_RTCZCGQ11LM.html has a note saying

*"Regions not supported for now in Zigbee2MQTT" *

but nothing more specific than that in relation to ZHA.

polar aurora
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Hmmm, OK update to my previous issue. I've physically removed a TS0013 (Smart light switch - 3 gang without neutral wire) - many devices that previously were unavailable have now returned 🤔

sour shadow
#

Tuya strikes again

polar aurora
#

But its so cheap and plentiful 😆

latent kraken
#

hey all. hoping for some help or advice. I added a hub to plug in both bluetooth and Zigbee sticks. Everything seemed to be working fine until the update to 10.5 Now, neither the Bluetooth or the zigbee stick is not working. Here are logs for
Zigbee:
‘’’
Error setting up entry HubZ Smart Home Controller - /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_HubZ_Smart_Home_Controller_11600383-if01-port0, s/n: 11600383 - Silicon Labs - 10C4:8A2A for zha

mellow geode
maiden cliff
#

If a zigbee device initially is connected via a node or two in between it and the zigbee stick, what happens if one of the in between nodes vanishes? Does it reroute via other means, and if so how long ish should that take?

lilac wharf
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Most zigbee devices will reroute. When depends on the device, but I've found it to be fairly quick after performing an action on the device (such as opening a contact sensor)

compact hill
#

there are no way to force re-evaluation of route when added a new router ?

maiden cliff
#

A video I watched yesterday kind of suggested that it would not reroute, like, at all, and you would need to re-pair. But surely not, right?

lilac wharf
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Not typically

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That's one of the points of mesh networking

compact hill
#

need to delete and readd

maiden cliff
lilac wharf
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It can happen when an action isn't performed on the device too

compact hill
#

does that mean that I need to redo all automation cuz entitie id will change ?

maiden cliff
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Makes sense given how low power especially battery powered zigbee is that it wouldn’t notice not being connected for a while

lilac wharf
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Well, sleepy devices do poll their parent every 7 seconds or less to ask if any messages are waiting for them

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So it can happen then too

lilac wharf
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Even if you did re-pair it to the new router, there's no guarantee it will stay like that

maiden cliff
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Huh, that often? Yeah, that should result in a not super long delay then. Inasmuch as the devices are standards compliant of course — I would not put it past a lot of manufacturers to extend that sort of thing, especially for battery powered stuff.

compact hill
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ok so it does re-evalute periodicaly

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im not in a rush I cna re check later the map

lilac wharf
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It depends on the device, but generally yes

compact hill
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super awesome

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happy friday everyone 😄 ty

sudden crest
#

Moving from raspi to Odroid and moving the Conbee II stick along. Is that an easy restore for ZHA or a pain? Does the new migrate radio help in this case.

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Not an actual case yet. Might be moving to a more powerful system, but not with all the pain that would be involved.

austere patio
tropic depot
vital bluff
tropic depot
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I wouldn’t say actively

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It’s something I want to do

vital bluff
#

Or at least on people's radar/of interest to people.

#

Right yeah, that's more what I meant.

tropic depot
#

But I’m working on several other things atm with the ZHA UI

vital bluff
#

Thanks for the details, greatly appreciated!

smoky tapir
#

power monitoring question. I've got some tasmota loaded sonsoff_s31 units reporting a bunch of data. Last night I installed a sonoff-usb-stick-E and ZHA, and a sengled zigbee power monitor plug (E1C-NB7). The new zigbee sengled plug seems to report "smartenergymetering" and "smartenergysummation", translating to "watts", and "total watts". The tasmota based ones have daily totals, and a number of other stats. I haven't played with z2m. What's a normal level of reported info back from the power monitor plugs?

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(I'm still at the experimenting stage, so just trying to figure out what's "normal", and if I should just stick with tasmota monitoring)

dusky hatch
mellow geode
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Both variants are "normal"

smoky tapir
#

cool, didn't find the z2m page to help confirm that's all it had for info

#

thanks for the information (and where to look), now i need to figure out if I want wifi vs zigbee for this stuff

#

have a lot of hue lights (and hub) but fine with HA<->hue-hub vs native control right now

mellow geode
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Yeah, mine are in ZHA and work pretty well. But Zigbee scenes aren't supported natively in ZHA and changing the state of like 15 lights at once can be a hit-or-miss
Both Z2M and ZHA support firmware updates for Hue bulbs though (files are here: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-OTA/blob/master/index.json)

smoky tapir
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I've got a mix of color and white hue lights and a bunch of motion (w/ temp) sensors triggering them (courtesy of the hub). Could possibly set all that up in HA, but only benefit appears to be that i could shut down the hue hub. Have some sonoff zigbee buttons showing up to test out with HA -> hue-hub to toggle lights later in the week.

#

i didn't see how to use ZHA to do zigbe firmware updates

mellow geode
smoky tapir
#

right now the hue-hub is doing the upgrades, was looking at this last night for the sengled stuff, which i didn't see in the docs, but do see in the github link

mellow geode
smoky tapir
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there may not be any updates for the sengled plug

mellow geode
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That might be the case, idk.

smoky tapir
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yea was looking at the github to figure out model nubmers

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doesn't look like it, so may postpone figuring that out

stable dew
#

does anyone have a nice write up about zigbee I could read to learn more about how it works? Like how is the network formed, how devices choose best path, why it may decide to connect to one router instead of another etc...

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just something to give me a bit deeper knowledge of zigbee which might be helpful when troubheshooting in the future

sour shadow
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There's a pinned message linking to one of many guides about the basics

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How devices pick the "best" path though, that's a mystery to anybody but the developers of the firmware of each device

stable dew
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hah fair enough

sour shadow
#

There's also the Zigbee specs, if you're bored

stable dew
#

spec is probably too technical, looking more of a summary of most interesting/important points

sour shadow
stable dew
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2nd one looks better, thanks

sour shadow
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I read the Z-Wave spec, the Zigbee one isn't that bad

smoky tapir
misty olive
#

Any know how many dbm skyconnect has ?

sterile sleet
#

The device is an EFR32 Series 2 (Silicon Labs EZSP v8) adapter that will transmit at a power of +20 dBm.

smoky tapir
nova flint
lilac wharf
#

Wow lol

#

#just-tuya-things

nova flint
#

That's a sure-fire way to absolutely destroy your mesh though 😄

smoky tapir
#

Hey I'll take your traffic, and null-route it....

nova flint
#

I wonder if that's an esp device that could take Tasmota on it

lilac wharf
#

> /dev/null

unreal plover
#

did anyone have problems with Sonoff Dongle Plus E (ZbDongle-E) keeping connection with devices? I have some (Aqara and IKEA) devices that work perfectly, while others I'm really struggling to pair, or sometimes they pair instantly but become unavailable immediately after.

I really made sure to avoid interference - PC (not a RPI), long USB cable, USB 2.0 port, Zigbee channel 25, no wifi around (even turned off all wifi in the house), new batteries in devices etc

lilac wharf
nova flint
#

Aww, shame

lilac wharf
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Zigbee != WiFi

smoky tapir
#

Carko, I just got a "e" dongle last night, and only testing with a couple devices, no problem so far, but not a great test case

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and it's plugged into a rpi3b+

lilac wharf
unreal plover
#

ZHA

lilac wharf
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Anything in the log?

grim igloo
#

prob worth seeing if the dongle needs a firmware update too

lilac wharf
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Hehe dongle

grim igloo
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dongle

unreal plover
#

Nothing in the log - some packets in the beginning after pairing seem to get through (decoded with no errors and status updated in HA), after that it's just nothing related to that device, no packets or errors or anything

#

I read some comments ( https://github.com/grobasoz/zigbee-firmware/issues/28 ) that the non-default CTUNE parameter value Sonoff is using in the factory firmware could cause issues for some devices (symptoms fit perfectly) and other versions of firmware (e.g. https://github.com/xsp1989/zigbeeFirmware/tree/master/firmware/Zigbee3.0_Dongle-NoSigned/EZSP ) have this changed to the default one as well. The only thing is that there are no reports of reflashing this firmware (only higher versions but with mixed success) to the ZBdongle-E, so I'm a bit careful with that ...

smoky tapir
#

I used xmodem to reflash my dongle-e last night, but under the impression that there is a slim chance that there is actually a firmware update

unreal plover
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you reflashed the official one?

smoky tapir
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the sonoff usb dongle plus e

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yah, opened it up, held the reset button down, connected via serial in windows, xmodem upload

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not trivial, but not hard

unreal plover
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I think that's the one already shipped on the device

smoky tapir
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as best as i can tell the firmware online is 1.01, but couldn't tell which firmware was on the device

#

suspect i just reflashed the one that was already there

molten linden
mellow geode
#

I'm not sure if it helps much though, but TouchLink should also work then

misty olive
#

So skyconnect will have 20 DmB ?

tulip patrol
#

@misty olive yes

low mirage
#

I am in market for zigbee plugs (one of the reasons is to create the zigbee network). Found this - US $5.09 55%OFF | CoRui Tuya ZigBee Smart Plug US 15A 110-250V Timer Socket Wireless Plug Compatible Alexa Google Home Assistant Smart Home
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrtmzzW

Can someone help me understand, if this can be connected directly to sonoff zigbee hub and used locally?

sour shadow
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It's Zigbee, so yes

#

Of course, what matters more is whether you're running ZHA, Zigbee2MQTT, or even deCONZ

unreal plover
misty olive
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What’s the biggest difference between zigbee 1.0 vs 3.0 ?

tulip patrol
unreal plover
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Ahhh, I hate Zigbee almost as much as mosquitoes.

raven jewel
#

Why?

unreal plover
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I have so much problems with it and it seem extremely difficult to diagnose the cause

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I started completely fresh with all the new hardware, made sure to minimize as much interference as possible

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and ... it works like 50% of the time

raven jewel
#

Works as in, controls don't happen, data isn't received? If you describe what the problem is in a bit more detail someone might be able to help narrow it down.

#

Zigbee for me has been 100% the most reliable protocol there is. There's a reason why Philips Hue has a good reputation as well, that's Zigbee.

unreal plover
#

The most common example for me is - I pair a device (sometimes it takes half an hour, sometimes instantly), it works for a couple of seconds, and then it becomes unavailable

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I pair a switch in place, click the button a few times, works! I try in a couple of minutes, nothing. Nothing in logs, as if no data is received at all.

raven jewel
#

Which Zigbee setup are you using? ZHA? Zigbee2MQTT? Deconz?

unreal plover
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ZHA with Sonoff Dongle Plus-E (ZBDongle-E) as the coordinator

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I bought this one specifically because it is EFR32MGR21 based - the same as the Home Assistant Yellow zigbee/matter module

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I used a new PC with stick connected to a USB2.0 port with a long extension cable and no other USB devices; changed the channel to 25 to avoid Wifi; I even tried turning of all wifi in the house to make sure it's not interfering with Zigbee

raven jewel
#

I have the Sonoff Dongle Plus-P and that works perfectly

misty oasis
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https://i.imgur.com/bIYeGhE.png how come yellow did connect devices, when devices are already connected to zigstarGW and I used use empty network setup for yellow?

unreal plover
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I suspect there's something wrong with my Plus-E dongle (I saw some comments from people with similar problems but not much details). The Plus-P has a completely different chipset.

misty oasis
# unreal plover Ahhh, I hate Zigbee almost as much as mosquitoes.

yea, also trying to move from it to esphome devices, it was good technology, but when HA started supporting BT proxies for sensors and there are devices with ESPhome support, it is now not so good. Especially tuya ones, but basically all of the battery stuff I have does not work stable, does not matter if tuya, ikea, or other.

Just the last example - how can the device migrate to different coordinator if I don§t pair it myself?!

raven jewel
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Yes, mine is the CC26252P, which I remember reading plenty of thing support directly. At that time the E was brand new and there wasn't a lot of documentation on it.

#

It very much sounds like your router is broken in some way. As you've flashed new firmware already, I'd guess it's a hardware problem and try to get it exchanged.

misty oasis
#

needless to say neither of the devices (actually it is one device) actually detects the motion in either HA

I do have both EFR32MGR21 and CC2652P based coordinators (not sonoff thought) and both work same for me.

unreal plover
#

I have one ConBee II that I have been using before on RPI, I might try with this one first, although I was planning to start fresh with an upgraded coordinator.

misty olive
#

The skyconnect .. it’s still the same choice between ZHA and zb2mqtt ?

tulip patrol
#

Yes it is, and then Matter later

plucky burrow
#

Hello, I'm using ZHA with an Ikea device "Tradfri outlet controler". The device shows configuration value (https://imgur.com/a/oeQpFj1). I'm looking for any explanations, documentation that could help me to understand what are their effect on the device. I already spent a lot of time (google, forum etc.) with no relevant information. Do you have recommendation where I can have a look ?
Thank you !!!

lilac wharf
misty olive
#

🙂

lilac wharf
#

For what?

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You'd want to pick the zigbee integration you want to use first and then make your choice of adapter after that

misty olive
#

ZHA or 2mgqtt it’s so confusing for us newbie’s

lilac wharf
#

It's up to you to decide which integration you want

misty olive
#

I still don’t know what way I will go lol

#

@lilac wharf what did you choose

lilac wharf
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zigbee2mqtt

misty olive
#

And why ?

lilac wharf
#
  1. Decoupled from HA, so updates to it don't depend on updates to HA
  2. I can use it with my test instance of HA
  3. I like MQTT
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  1. Better documented device support because z2m requires explicit support to be added for each device, whereas ZHA assumes every zigbee device follows the spec (and if it does, it works automatically) but if it doesn't, a quirk needs to be written for it. This means it's clear if z2m supports a device as opposed to ZHA, but this point is admittedly a double-edged sword
misty olive
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Aah 🙂

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You have zonoff dongle e ?

lilac wharf
#

I have a ZZH and a Sonoff ZB3.0 Plus P

misty olive
#

Zzh

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What’s that

lilac wharf
#

Another zigbee adapter

misty olive
lilac wharf
#

Probably not

misty olive
lilac wharf
#

I'm happy with the adapter that I'm using for zigbee, and I have spares that I can use for Thread if I want to

outer kraken
#

hey, I also just bought the sonoff P adapter

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but I'm having trouble getting it to work

#

it was automatically detected but the setup failed and now its no longer detected. i can find it in the hardware though

#

do I maybe need to do a firmware update first ?

odd mango
#

hi. So I have this.

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paired it... and...

#

nothing.

#

it should have a switch entity and a power meter entity

#

any way to get this working?

#

this says it was merged in to production

#

12 months ago 😐

#

how do I move this to zha?

mellow geode
outer kraken
#

anyone got any ideas what to do if my zigbee devices are not connecting properly? every devices is showing up as unssoprted

#

using zigbee2mqtt btw

sour shadow
#

What version number of Z2M?

outer kraken
#

Zigbee2mqtt
Current version: 1.18.1-1 (Änderungsprotokoll)

sour shadow
#

Right... well...

outer kraken
#

I'm pretty lost

sour shadow
#

did you by any chance follow some very very very old and outdated guide?

outer kraken
#

sure there is a chance 🙂

sour shadow
#

If you'd followed Z2M's docs you wouldn't be having this problem

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1.18 hasn't been current for about 18 months

outer kraken
#

i moved from an old zigbee stick to a sonoff stick

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deleted all the configs (coordinator, databse, devices)

sour shadow
#

Check the pinned messages for a message just for you 😉

outer kraken
#

and flashed the newest firmware for the sonoff stick

outer kraken
sour shadow
#

You're about 10 major releases behind

outer kraken
#

really ?

sour shadow
outer kraken
#

I try to keep everything up to date ...

#

wow

sour shadow
#

And my pointing you to the pinned messages

outer kraken
#

so its not included in all the update messages from HA?

#

<--- the issue is that the repo moved?

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"issue"

sour shadow
#

Yes, it moved about 18 months ago

#

So, you're on the most current version of Z2M in the outdated repo

outer kraken
#

thank you so much, i'm struggling since 3 days

#

do you think i can use any of the configs with the new stick once i've updated?

sour shadow
#

Any time you're having issues with software, do check to see what version you're on, and what the current version is

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As for configs, you can just re-install with the right repo and carry on

outer kraken
sour shadow
#

Thankfully Z2M's FAQs have you covered

outer kraken
#

ok i will read that

gusty patio
#

hihi, is there a way to edit the zigbee dongle device path in HA?

outer kraken
#

thanks for the help

sour shadow
gusty patio
#

(using zha)

#

i guess stop HA and edit the core.config_entries

#

i did that and it worked 😄

mellow geode
#

Yes, that'll work. Although I think it's also possible to change the radio path using the UI when reconfiguring the ZHA integration/migration the radio now

plucky burrow
#

Hello, Is this the good channel to ask this kind of questions ?
I'm using ZHA with an Ikea device "Tradfri outlet controler". The device shows configuration value (https://imgur.com/a/oeQpFj1). I'm looking for any explanations, documentation that could help me to understand what are their effect on the device. I already spent a lot of time (google, forum etc.) with no relevant information. Do you have recommendation where I can have a look ?
Thank you !!!

mellow geode
#

1., 2., and 3. should be ignored, as they don't do anything on the smart plug. (IKEA implemented the LevelControl cluster, as they likely just copied their light firmware mostly)
4. is where you can select what should happen to the outlet after a power cycle
5. is the switch for turning the outlet on/off

azure egret
#

Hey all, need some troubleshooting help as my ConBee II stick has stopped working on my Home Assistant VM after I upgraded the Unraid OS that the VM is running on. The Zigbee integration fails to setup with the error FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2470933-if00'

#

Im concerned that the ConBee stick has changed name some kinda identifier that HA was expecting, is there any easy way to dive in to the file system and see if I can locate the device and maybe update the location in the config?

mellow geode
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Go to "Settings -> System -> Hardware -> three dots in the upper right and in the dialog, you should see your stick"

azure egret
#

Not seeing it there points to the passthrough to the VM not working I guess.

#

Annoying as in unraid dongle looks to be registering just fine. think I will give the server a restart

plucky burrow
azure egret
#

Thanks @mellow geode, dongle is appearing under hardware now, new error seems less helpful, any advice would be really appreciated, worried about all my lights. Error setting up the stick in gateway.py... Paste bin of the full error: https://pastebin.com/7xQuLp2F

mellow geode
#

Are there any other errors before that in the log?

azure egret
#

ok that was slightly worrying, I just tried to reintialize the integration and the dongle had disconnected from the VM

#

Ok will it attached there's two warnings before the error
"Last logged: 01:07:59 No response to 'Command.read_parameter' command with seq id '0x02'"
And
`"Last logged: 01:07:59

Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 1 of 3)
Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 2 of 3)
Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 3 of 3)

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/asyncio/tasks.py", line 456, in wait_for
return fut.result()
asyncio.exceptions.CancelledError"`

mellow geode
#

Did you already replug the Conbee once?

azure egret
#

And looking back at the hardware list it has unattached itself in the last 3 minutes

#

:/

#

Im gunna restart the whole unraid server and connect the stick after everything is stable. Should I be worried about the dongle being bricked at all?

mellow geode
#

Meh, Conbee sticks are known to be a bit flaky sometimes. Newer firmware versions for the stick should be more stable

#

But rebooting and then plugging the stick back in sounds like a good idea

azure egret
#

Same story, I will try updating the firmware on the dongle

mellow geode
#

But yeah, let's see what happens after updating the firmware

azure egret
#

Firmware update looks good, gunna transfer it back to the server now

austere patio
azure egret
#

Thanks, sure will do!

austere patio
#

Is your Conbee on a USB 2.0 extension cable?

azure egret
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It's on a USB 3.0 extension cable as the signal wasn't doing well from behind the tower, I can connect it direct

austere patio
#

Is the USB 3.0 cable plugged into a 2.0 port? Or a 3.0 port?

#

You want to avoid 3.0 being anywhere near the Conbee

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3.0 plugged into 2.0 is fine, since it'll be a 2.0 extension cable

azure egret
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ok, I will confirm everything, is there a trick to copying the full log out of the browser window? not easy to highlight

austere patio
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I usually just download the /config/home-assistant.log file directly

azure egret
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Im not great at getting files out of this vm it seems haha

austere patio
#

Did you upgrade your Conbee to 0x26780700, the release from May?

azure egret
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yes

austere patio
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If it doesn't work, maybe try downgrading to 0x26720700, from last August. I'm not too sure what exactly the firmware controls regarding the Conbee connect/disconnect problem. Perhaps it has issues with your hypervisor.

azure egret
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ok it was in a usb 3 port, I have moved it to a 2.0 port but problem still the same, it doesn't seem to be unattaching itself now though, just getting the log

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too big for a paste bin, if there's another preferred file sharing site let me know and I can upload it somewhere people trust

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2022-10-23 02:02:42.162 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.zigbee.application] Couldn't re-open '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2470933-if00' serial port, retrying in 32s: Problem with the serial port?

austere patio
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The serial port exists but nothing is responding on the other side. Are you using some sort of hypervisor that could be interfering?

azure egret
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I guess unraid could be intefering

mellow geode
azure egret
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yeah just updated to it before this issue

mellow geode
#

Do you remember from what version you updated from?

azure egret
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6.8 I think

mellow geode
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That's quite a jump (6.8 was released like 2 or 3 years ago).
Although I never had any issues with UNRAID and passing through just "Zigbee sticks". Did it ever work for you on 6.11.1?

azure egret
#

no, the upgrade went fine and everything started up, reattached the stick and then found this issue

mellow geode
#

It might really be an UNRAID issue then. Try some other ports (both on the back and on the front), as they're likely associated with different USB controllers. You'll need to update the VM config (but can keep HassOS running whilst doing so)

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If you're comfortable with that, you could also try passing through an entire USB controller to the VM.

grim igloo
#

have you rebooted unraid since plugging in the usb stick?

azure egret
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I am using the libvirt usb hotplugging plugin as well. looked in to the logs for unraid there's a lot of Lilith kernel: usb 1-12: usbfs: process 7556 (qemu-system-x86) did not claim interface 1 before use which usb1-12 seems to be what the dongle is on

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I have rebooted it once troubleshooting

mellow geode
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Uhm, I'm pretty sure that UNRAID supports hot-plugging of USB devices for VMs out-of-the-box since years now.

#

I'd recommend uninstalling the plugin and then rebooting UNRAID again

#

You can just click on a VM -> Edit and under USB Devices attach/detach USB devices whilst HomeAssistantOS is running

azure egret
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Gunna try that

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Right, restarted after removing that plugin, attached stick to VM from vm start up. fingers crossed

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Sad, same thing going on Lilith kernel: usb 1-12: usbfs: process 12936 (qemu-system-x86) did not claim interface 1 before use

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Think I will take this over to the unraid discord

mellow geode
azure egret
#

will try this USB manager

azure egret
#

No luck yet, probably sleeping soon this is depressing

storm palm
#

Is there any official documentation how to backup one zigbee controller and restore to another?

warped fable
#

I have two Centralite thermostats with z2m and have been doing some digging and asking around about how to set the occupied_heating_setpoint and occupied_cooling_setpoint with automation. I can read the values no problem. I am sure it is operator error that I can not use the climate service to set the values, that is if that is they way I should go to do it. Yes I have read https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/3157100.html but to no aval in setting up automation.

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Thanks in advance

lilac wharf
azure egret
quiet swan
#

is there somewhere to configure "hue_power_on_behavior" for a hue bulb?

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I thought it would go under Settings (specific) but maybe the devs haven't added the setting in that page

odd mango
crude otter
#

i have the same issue.. a device working on Z2M that i need ported to ZHA

sullen hull
#

Hello i am connecting a hue motion sensor to zigbee. i am using zigbee2mqtt but the sensor is read only and all of its states are unknown

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Except for the temperature attribute

sterile sleet
#

I'd suggest removing the device from z2m

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then pair it again

#

sounds like the initial pairing has gone wrong

sullen hull
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i give it a go

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stays the same

sterile sleet
#

have you reset the sensor in between? (pushing the pin for 30 seconds or something)

sullen hull
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it only has a setup pin. to re pair it

sterile sleet
#

push that a little longer until it resets

sullen hull
#

i give it a go

sterile sleet
#

you can also press the setup pin every few seconds while pairing

#

this should keep the device awake, battery powered devices sometimes go to sleep early and break the pairing process

sullen hull
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so reset it and then pair it again while pressing the pin a few times

sterile sleet
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Yes

#

Motion should at least be visible a few seconds after pairing, battery and others can take some time to get sent

sullen hull
#

still all unknown. Also under the entities tab all the attributes show disabled

#

Also if i select one it shows " This entity is unavailable. "

sterile sleet
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keep home assistant out of play until you see the values in z2m

sullen hull
#

If i open the sensor in zigbee2mqtt all states are N/A. does this take a while to show up?

sterile sleet
#

can you show whats happening in hangout?

sullen hull
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Hangout?

sterile sleet
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3 channels further down the list

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lets you share your screen

sullen hull
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ah yes. sure let me load to my desktop first (in Wm atm)

#

i dont have a mic though

#

yes

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sorry what did you say?

#

i am using a zigbee dongle in the home assistant device

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pulled battery out and back in

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il pull the battery again. one sec

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seems to be good now

#

thnx

final pawn
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Thanks, so I have to copy this in my configuration.yalm and I have to add the name of the devices? or not? and then call a service like notify.whatsapp to notify me? Thank you very much!!

outer kraken
#

Anyone can give me tips on how to add my ZigBee devices? I installed a sonoff stick, flashed the newest software, updated zigbee2mqtt to newest version 1.28 but my devices still did not connect. Even after a new battery it does not even connect anymore

sour shadow
#

Thanks so I have to copy this in my

dry shadow
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FYI - I was using ConbeeII with Deconz and just migrated over to ZHA with a Tubez Ethernet device. My Conbee setup worked great, except I had some smart plugs that would drop off the mesh. I assumed it was cheap HW (from Amazon). I tested one of the "bad" plugs with the new Integration and it has stayed connected for days. As of this morning all the home devices have be migrated and I have yet to have a disconnect.

golden escarp
#

nevermind...bought one of each to try out

devout valve
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anyone got the Samotech SM322 (aka Sunricher ZGRC-KEY-013, who knows who actually makes it) zigbee remote switch in ZHA? I've got it paired and can events coming but I assume it needs a quirk to expose the commads to automation. But looking into what it takes to write one of those from scratch seems quite complicated. Is it possible to hard code the events into automation event trgiggers?

devout valve
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I can get simple events working like this:
device_id: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx20f12
endpoint_id: 1
cluster_id: 6
command: "on"

tropic depot
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just use event triggers

final pawn
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I have many problems with the sonoff devices (SNZB-02, 30, 04 temperature, presence, opening,... ) they disconnect very often.... I don't know how to make a script of not available to at least know what They stop working. I have them through Zigbee2MQTT that could be the problem? Any clue... does anyone have the script to detect when they go offline? Thank you very much #sonoff Thanks!!

sour shadow
#

Personally I'd recommend Xiaomi over Sonoff's sensors

final pawn
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Thanks!!

versed palm
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does anyone know how to debug a 502: bad gateway error with z2m addon using MQTT Broker

sour shadow
#

That says the add-on isn't running

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Check the log for it

lime forum
sour shadow
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Tuya ... nauseated

lime forum
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@sour shadow they claim it is supported and e.g. Aqara does not support 16A which is needed for dryer etc... any other option

restive tartan
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My knowledge reading online is that tuya stuff is marked at 16A,but people complains about some burning up over 10a

lime forum
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@restive tartan well, that is useful info too 🙂 Do you have any other? or just best not to put it on the outlet of my dryer etc?

restive tartan
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I didn't find good zigbee ones in the US. So I just bought some switchbot plugs and flashed tasmota. Otherwise I've had some kasa laying around that worked fine too

#

I'm considering you want power monitoring

smoky tapir
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i just picked up some sengled zigbee power monitor plugs to try (Sengled E1C-NB7) online says 1800watts, ymmv

lime forum
#

power monitoring yes please 🙂

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it is more to measure things than to control things... in a flat everything is near and moving around a bit is healthy 😉

restive tartan
#

Didn't know sengled had energy monitoring ones. Interesting. Let me know how well they work for you

lime forum
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i was going for aqara, but then i saw the ampere limitation

molten linden
#

the Sengleds work really well. have too many of them 😉

lilac wharf
#

The Sengled energy monitoring plugs are reportedly very good

lime forum
#

have seen them nowhere (Belgium - EU)

molten linden
#

oops I think they are North America only

lilac wharf
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Orly

restive tartan
#

Good to know. Going to buy some soon then

lime forum
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i thought zigbee was global... advantage over zwave...

bronze rivet
#

Residential voltages differ even if the RF is the same.

lime forum
#

true...

restive tartan
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Plug shape too 😬

smoky tapir
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not sure what's going on with the coupons, they were $24 with coupon, not $40 for a pair last week

lime forum
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but i can confirm - not EU

smoky tapir
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just bought them to compare against sonofs31's with tasmota, purely playing around right now, trying to figure out zigbee vs tamota vs esphome

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yeah, not EU/UK, sorry

lime forum
#

so i am stuck with tuya or no 16A...

smoky tapir
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athom.tech tasmota/esphome?

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friend of mine in UK uses those with esphome setup

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obviously wifi vs zigbee though

grim igloo
#

i like athom bulbs with wled fwiw 😛 i dont think they make any devices just flash them with esphome/tasmota/wled and resell

lime forum
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i want zigbee -> no cloud for sure, energy effeciency... why would i measure power consumption and then cause more? 🙂

grim igloo
lime forum
#

ct clamps?

grim igloo
smoky tapir
#

tasmota/esphome = no cloud, just require wifi to talk back to HA

lime forum
#

things to evaluate indeed 🙂

#

i was looking forward to try zigbee (being network engineer), but the hardware and all the limitations are quite a disappointment

lilac wharf
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What limitations?

lime forum
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some hardware US or UK only, some EU but then apparently Belgium and France have different power outlets (ground pin, not side ground) than the rest of EU, not supporting certain appliances, ...

grim igloo
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Expecting a lot out of low bandwidth mesh isn’t great. It’s good for sensors, bulbs, switches and such

lilac wharf
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Ah gotcha. That's not really related to Zigbee, but I get what you mean

lime forum
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i dont expect bandwidth, but the incompatibilities and this brand has that type of device but not that, then another something else, then zigbee not being supported by all other zigbee devices...

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as i see it now, i probably end up with 5 brands and wifi, zwave and zigbee, just for as many devices... and that feels cumbersome

grim igloo
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Not really much to learn.. just steer clear of tuya and don’t blindly trust Chinese brand claims

smoky tapir
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what devices?

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power monitoring + lights + sensors?

grim igloo
lilac wharf
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Unfortunately that's a big if a lot of the time

lime forum
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power monitoring, a controlable siren/alarm to give beep from just notification to real alarm, motion sensor... not really pectacular things

grim igloo
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But it’s easy to confirm with a quick search

lilac wharf
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To be fair though, I have a 66-device zigbee network with devices from 18 manufacturers and I haven't run into any compatibility issues, but yeah, the zigbee "spec" isn't enforced like with Zwave

grim igloo
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Tbh I don’t love either protocols. They fall over if you don’t actively manage how chatty things are lol

#

?

lilac wharf
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What do you mean?

lime forum
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the network stuff is not my worry... i have plenty of experience in that 🙂 but the fact that most online shops are from the netherlands or germany and that we have different outlets 🤯

smoky tapir
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I had a hue setup with motion sensors + lights (+ hue hub), added that to HA. Adding a "second" zigbee network with power monitoring just to try compared to using tasmota wifi.

grim igloo
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You can’t just choose whatever parameters and config options you want without eventually having a congested network with either protocol

smoky tapir
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i assumed netherland or german shops was due to manufacturing done in china, and single distribution center in eu

lime forum
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no... belgian law is not very good for e-commerce

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difficulties for night shifts and flexible work 🙂 bit off topic, but that is why i have to order from neighboring countries

smoky tapir
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(with the disclaimer, that my setup is tiny, and i understand scale issues present themselves at different points)

grim igloo
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Some people run multiple networks in different parts of their home and integrate zwave-js multiple times over lan to hass to control them all

austere patio
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Z-Wave operates on a lower frequency and has a much lower bandwidth

lime forum
#

with zigbee bandwidth i would be amazed that you run into trouble in any normal home

smoky tapir
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from quick google searching:
Z-Wave operates on the low-frequency 908.42 band while the Zigbee protocol operates at 2.4 GHz. While the higher frequency allows Zigbee to transmit more data faster -- 40-250 kbps to Z-Wave's 9.6 to 100 kbps -- it reduces the range of the signal

sour shadow
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Well, Z-Wave's band depends on the country

grim igloo
lilac wharf
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Nope

austere patio
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You can perform OTA updates (which sends multiple packets per second for like 15 minutes) and your network will keep running just fine

lilac wharf
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You should see how chatty a normal Zigbee network is

smoky tapir
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the performance isn't going to differ but on 865mhz-926mhz (from wiki article on zwave)

#

so same perf across those frequencies

sour shadow
#

My Zigbee mesh has always been significantly snappier than my Z-Wave mesh, even at 10 times the size

bronze rivet
#

Which version of Zwave?

grim igloo
#

i could've sworn i've read here by dmulcahey and puddly that we should limit our multicasts to keep the mesh from being overwhelmed

bronze rivet
#

I have the opposite experience with my two meshes, and the sniffers tell me why. Bandwidth doesn't help when tons of devices are sending BS cosntantly in a frequency range that can't penetrate a wet paper towel.

lime forum
austere patio
#

If they can sneak one in between re-broadcasts, sure. Otherwise, you'll run into issues if you send a group request every second to slowly change the color temperature of your lights.

lilac wharf
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Yeah, the whole broadcasts being repeated by each router 3 times is an odd concept in my mind

smoky tapir
austere patio
#

It's configurable (radius for broadcast, plus non-group-member radius for group). Maybe it should be exposed as a config option...

lilac wharf
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Seems weird IMO that Zigbee groups aren't handled with multicast (although I know that means the coordinator would need to keep track of multicast groups instead of leaving it up to the end devices to respond to group messages)

austere patio
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What do you mean?

lilac wharf
#

Zigbee group messages are broadcast to the entire network, right?

austere patio
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Yeah, it's just a normal broadcast with some extra info to indicate which group ID the broadcast should be handled by

lilac wharf
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Right, so I just find it weird that multicast can't be used instead where only the members of the group are sent the message

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But I know that means the coordinator would need to know the members of each group

austere patio
#

How would that differ from a HA light group, where you just send 10 concurrent unicast requests?

lilac wharf
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It wouldn't. It just seems odd to do a broadcast instead of a multicast

#

I'm sure there's a reason it's not that way though

smoky tapir
#

@lime forum sent mail to athom on the 16a != 2200 watts. Suspect it's 16a or 2200watts whichever is lower, all the v2 plugs (US, EU, UK, AU) all have the same specs. ( I have low expectations of anything coming back)

grim igloo
lime forum
#

@smoky tapir depends, on 110V, it can be 16A 🙂 again differences between world regions

austere patio
smoky tapir
#

correct, no issues, it's a universal design inside, all the devices list the same specs 100-240v input, 2200watt max, 16amp max

#

So whichever limit you hit firtst, 16amps on the US plugs, or 2200watts on the 220v areas of the world

grim igloo
smoky tapir
#

cool, will see what the response is then

supple iris
#

I just moved from ZHA to Z2M and I have a light group with 4 lights I'm trying to toggle when I press the button on a sonoff SNZB-01 button. I made a light group in Z2M which shows up in HA as well as a Helper group of the 4 lights in HA. When I create an automation, I set the button as the trigger, and the action to toggle the group. No matter what group I set, the Z2M one or the HA one, nothing happens when I press the button. I do see the button triggers the automation, but lights don't change. If I manually toggle the light group, it works fine. Why is the automation not triggering the action?

lilac wharf
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can't really help unless you share the automation

supple iris
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ok so If I run the automation, it works

rapid dawnBOT
#

@supple iris I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
lilac wharf
#

it's an issue with the trigger(s) then

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looks like you made it with Device triggers in the UI so it should "just work"

supple iris
#

When I press the button, it says "triggered" on top on a red bar

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Driving me nuts cause it's detecting it as triggered lol

#

Yea it was made in the UI

lilac wharf
#

anything in the log?

supple iris
#

let me check

#

Nothing showing up relating to this at all. Would I need to turn on debug logs somehow?

lilac wharf
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as long as you haven't changed the logger settings from the default, you shouldn't need to

supple iris
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I turned on debug back when I was troubleshooting zha issues that I never changed back
logger:
default: info
logs:
homeassistant.core: debug
homeassistant.components.zha: debug
bellows.zigbee.application: debug
bellows.ezsp: debug
zigpy: debug
zigpy_deconz.zigbee.application: debug
zigpy_deconz.api: debug
zigpy_xbee.zigbee.application: debug
zigpy_xbee.api: debug
zigpy_zigate: debug
zigpy_znp: debug
zhaquirks: debug

lilac wharf
#

yeah, that's fine

supple iris
#

Can't post a screenshot otherwise I'd show you how it says triggered when i press the button

lilac wharf
#

tbh i have no clue why it doesn't work if it shows triggered and clicking run actions also works

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unless the automation is off

supple iris
#

So if I click Information when viewing the automation, and toggle the little switch there, it doesn't work. But it works fine when I "run" the automation

lilac wharf
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toggle the little switch?

supple iris
#

ok I see, Run, runs the actions, the toggle must do something different

lilac wharf
#

yeah, that enables and disables the automation

#

you want that to be on

supple iris
#

oooh ok

#

then disregard that comment lol

#

Could this be a bug of some sorts? I don't think I'm misunderstanding this. It was working fine in ZHA when I had this same setup working with this button triggering a toggle of the light group.

#

So I restarted my HA docker and it's working now....🤔

#

So I tested it by making another automation, and it won't trigger unless I restart the docker again. Something with new automations. Definitely some type of a bug.

lilac wharf
#

could be, specifically with the UI

#

what happens if you create a new automation in the UI and reload automations at developer tools > YAML without restarting?

#

it's possible the UI isn't reloading automations upon creation like it's supposed to

supple iris
#

just made another and it worked w/o restarting anything 🤷‍♂️

spark depot
#

Not sure if this is the right channel, but giving it a shot:
I have recently migrated from deCONZ to ZHA. Most devices are either TRADFRI presence sensors or an assortment of light bulbs.
The bulbs have been sorted into groups and I connected each group with the respective presence sensor(s) through Node Red.

The issue is only with two (Osram) bulbs that turn on from the wrong presence sensor. In fact, they don't seem to go through the Node Red flow, as they don't honour certain conditions and parameters they would be getting through NR, such as brightness and fadeout.
They always turn on to very low brightness, leading me to believe they have connected to the presence sensor through different means. Some help requests I found online imply that you can indeed pair a TRADFRI presence sensor with bulbs directly. I could imagine this to have happened during the migration. But I couldn't find any info how I can diagnose whether they are connected directly or how to unpair them.
Any way I can find this out?

signal plinth
#

Hi, all

Looking for some advice. I have an ikea fyrtur blind that always worked well with Deconz. Recently it became unresponsive after a system restart so I removed and tried to re-add it to the network.

Thing is, where is previously worked without any issues, it now gets recognized in VNC but not it Phoscon web app or in Home Assistant... Any solution on how to make it available in HA?

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I also have ZHA configured as I was thinking about slowly moving away from Deconz and I tried adding the blind in ZHA, but it gets stuck in 'Configuring'. It eventually gets recognized in the Entities list but it's just unresponsive.

raven jewel
misty olive
#

Do you guys use USB extender for your ZB dongle ?

#

if yes, whats max lengd ?

sour shadow
#

Yes, doing that is recommended

#

The maximum length... if it's an active cable then the answer is many meters

misty olive
#

or can i use an USB 3.0 ?

sour shadow
#

You can use a USB 3.0 cable

misty olive
#

perfect

#

what would you perfer ?

sour shadow
#

I'd prefer a quality cable over a cheap one

forest arrow
#

Greetings all, I was looking to get the Aqara PIR to add to my DIY Home Security System and watched a couple YouTube videos about them. I have a dog that weighs 60 pounds and stands about 2.5 feet when standing. Can I use the PIR in such a way that it will not alert to my dog walking around the house while we are in bed at night and the alarm is enabled? Any recommended placement techniques to avoid false alarms from pets?

grim igloo
rapid dawnBOT
#

@cerulean harness I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
tropic depot
#

Oh man I like that from the bot. It’s finally polite 😀

sour shadow
#

The new bot is also faster, so it's less jarring when it cleans up

grim igloo
tropic depot
#

man you guys are relentless… give it a break already. We all come here to try to help folks 🤷🏻‍♂️

grim igloo
#

Huh? I was agreeing with you lol

smoky tapir
bronze rivet
#

Does anyone have recommendations for an A15 Zigbee bulb (E26 base, shorter than standard A19)? Most seem to be wifi at that size, and I saw one that the Amazon comments seemed to indicate was "confused" about being an end device or a router.

lime forum
#

@smoky tapir thanks... i have the impression that many of those helpdesks are easily confused by technical details 🙂

smoky tapir
#

Yea, I made the mistake of not offering a multi-choice answer, which is what I try to do in situations like this

pine swan
sour shadow
#

Clicked expecting Tuya. Was not disappointed.

pine swan
#

Is all Tuya stuff bad?

sour shadow
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No, but an awful lot of it is

#

It's more that some Tuya isn't bad

pine swan
#

These things work great for about 2 days then become intermittent (2 or 3 presses required) then after 2-3 weeks the battery is flat. Rinse and repeat

#

My Aqara D1 wireless switches are still on their original batteries from July and showing no signs of fading

maiden cliff
#

Holy shit. I just moved the zigbee stick from 25 cm away from my raspi to about a meter away, and the LQIs to devices very damn close are so much better!

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It was like 40 and 60 and now it’s over 200

pine swan
#

I really should find a way to get mine further away. It's currently on the corner of my TV cabinet

final kestrel
#

Ordered a SkyConnect… let’s see if the usb cable is long enough to get it out of my network rack.

maiden cliff
smoky tapir
#

i just bought a three pack of sonoff pushbuttons to tryout (Zigbee), set up one already, seems to work, but ask me in 24 hours

tulip patrol
#

those buttons work fine, you might want to replace the battery though

smoky tapir
#

looking up 2450 batteries now then.... 🙂 Or I'll order a smartthings button, but one of those is the same price as three of the sonoff's

brave nacelle
#

trying to find light switches that don't require neutral (old house) and i found Aqara, but it says their hub is required. does anyone else use Aqara products who can confirm that you can just pair and control via HA?

#

i have a standard zigbee hub

#

having a heck of a time finding no-neutral dimmers and switches

sour shadow
#

What is a "standard Zigbee hub"?

#

Aqara works fine (well, taking into account the quirks) with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT

brave nacelle
#

sorry the usb stick, sonoff i believe

sour shadow
#

They've made at least four different sticks, maybe more, but if you're using it with ZHA or Z2M you'll be fine

brave nacelle
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ah sorry i thought they were more the de facto (the one model/brand)

sour shadow
#

The P, that one is fine

#

They've made one with the CC2531 (not fine), the P, the E (fine with ZHA, not fine with Z2M), another old EZSP stick, and the ZBBridge - plus others I have forgotten

brave nacelle
#

thanks 🙂

#

ahh

#

been doing this a while i take it 🙂

sour shadow
#

A little, yes 😄

brave nacelle
#

i fell down the rabbithole and i'm addicted now

#

especially with zigbee

sour shadow
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I started with Z-Wave, but Zigbee is so much cheaper

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Sure, there's a lot more issues with devices not wanting to work together, or just throwing the spec out the window (looking at you, Tuya), but with a little research it all works out

brave nacelle
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see i heard the opposite (with regard to zwave)

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that it wasn't as fast/reliable/ranged

sour shadow
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It's slower, yes, but it's a full standard with testing so things just work

brave nacelle
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ah

sour shadow
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Range is a mixed bag - the point to point range is (at least nominally) better, but there's a limit of four hops and my own real world experience is that Zigbee's range is typically as good

brave nacelle
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sometimes i wonder if buying the relays myself and just slamming them onto the back of these old switches here would be better off

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i don't for example like the paddle type switches as much

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but i don't see the 'typical' switch not requiring neutral yet

sour shadow
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They exist, depending on your country, but there's also modules to sit between the switch and the light

brave nacelle
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that's more what i'm looking for now

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i saw a shelly one

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that and trying to figure out a solution for motorized blinds

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i've learned in this short time, at least my formed opinion, is that tuya sucks

sour shadow
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Yeah... some Tuya is fine, but a lot of it is impressively crap

tranquil reef
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Anyone have suggestions on getting zigbee2mqtt group messaging to work on a group of sengled rgb led bulbs? When I create a group it autodiscovers in home assistant but toggling the group doesn’t do anything and the state of the group doesn’t update. I noticed the same behavior with zha not being able to control the bulbs via group as well. Any ideas?

topaz seal
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I have been experiencing frequent connection losses with zigbee2mqtt. Anyone else as well?

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So I thought I could give ZHA a try, but it doesn't seem to find all bindings of some devices. In my case the Tuya TZE200, whose Auto HVAC mode it doesn't find

royal iron
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@topaz seal are the losses on the zigbee side? Do you use an extension cable for the zigbee adapter?

topaz seal
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@royal iron No idea which side. It is different devices, so I guess the issue is with the coordinator or zigbee2mqtt. I don't use an extension cable, but haven't had any issues in the last year. It just started recenly

tranquil reef
topaz seal
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It has been very good so far. Good link quality and range

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I really think this is a software issue, because I haven't changed the firmware and the coordinator used to work very well

tranquil reef
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Are you seeing specific error messages in your logs or is lqi down on certain devices

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Id prob take a look at the generated map of your zigbee mesh and see if anything looks out of place, the mesh changes by itself so it could be an issue there where some device no longer has a good route

topaz seal
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Where can I find this log?

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And that map?

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God, interviewing with ZHA is quite slow and tedious

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Oh it says that is normal for Xiaomi/Aqara devices. Haven't had any issues with zigbee2mqtt though

topaz seal
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@everyone Let me make a small poll here. 🙂 What software do you prefer for Zigbee?

🇲 zigbee2mqtt
🇿 ZHA
🇵 Phoscon

Note: Cast your vote by reacting to this message with either 🇲, 🇿 or 🇵!

sour shadow
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Thankfully @topaz seal you can't actually tag that role, otherwise you'd find yourself banned

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I'm not sure why you thought it was a good idea to try to ping 100K people across the world, but ... don't do that again

sterile sleet
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"small poll"

sour shadow
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I came, I saw, I got banned

topaz seal
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@sour shadow Ah sorry, I kind of expected that

sour shadow
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You kinda expected it... but did it anyway?

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That's a special kind of special

topaz seal
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Well I googled "How to do a poll on Discord"...

sour shadow
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Next time... try engaging your brain before you engage Google

topaz seal
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I would still like to know the result of a poll like that though ^^

sour shadow
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Try the forum instead

topaz seal
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Forums are so 99

sour shadow
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Of course, you're not going to get a useful answer

topaz seal
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Yeah, on the other hand trying out all Zigbee softwares yourself is very tedious. Would be nice to have some thread that lists the pros and cons etc

sour shadow
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There's a pinned message with the summary

topaz seal
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Have had the same thought about many devices

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Ah yeah right

sterile sleet
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noone ever benefits from that, the crowd needs to try the shitty stuff also to find the hidden gems

sour shadow
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Also, what's great for you may suck for somebody else

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Now, that's not to say that some brands aren't generally crappy, but ZHA vs Z2M vs deCONZ is largely personal preference

topaz seal
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@sour shadow Well, I have had a lot of issues with ZHA recognizing devices. Took me like two hours to register them all and one is still registered ans "unk_model", while all other three of the same model are registered correctly. No issues like that with zigbee2mqtt. What ZHA does better for me though is reading the battery charge level, while Z2M only reads 100% all the time. Z2M also seems more performant when you turn switches on and off fast, which doesn't make sense, because it isn't bridged though MQTT. I had hoped ZHA would be more performant actually

I also don't think that these experiences differ from user to user. What differs is just what one can live with I guess

sour shadow
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Well, device support does differ, sure, but what you use vs what others use will make a big difference

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Tuya is a shit show all around

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Performance, I've seen people say that ZHA/Z2M/deCONZ is faster than their old Z2M/deCONZ/ZHA install, with the same coordinator

topaz seal
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True

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I was just hoping that the Native HA Zigbee integration would work better. Unfortunately it doesn't

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Maybe one day

sour shadow
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It does, for many, apparently not for you though

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Thankfully the devs are active here, so if you work with them it's likely they'll be able to find and resolve the issues

topaz seal
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Also true

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And very helpful they are

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One other thing about Tuya: I would not buy them again, but when I first started out with smart home stuff, I bought the cheap solution from China like every sensible person would. At the time it did not make sense to buy the Tado valves for 70€ each. So to make ZHA newbie-device-model-friendly, it would be important to improve the support for those.

sour shadow
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Well, the problem is that Tuya's a shit show, improving support for that is hard - and it requires people like you to help make that happen

topaz seal
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I am not unwilling to do that. I did actually improve some custom slider card some time ago. Where would I start? Is it in HA core?

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So this one Aqara Window contact is recognized as switch and not as binary sensor. That would be one issue to start with

tropic depot
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What issues are you having and what is your setup

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Most performance issues are setup / environment related

tropic depot
topaz seal
tropic depot
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As do I, they just work

topaz seal
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Four of them are registered correctly, but one is registered as a switch instead of a sensor

tropic depot
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Is the quirk applied? If not maybe it has a different signature

topaz seal
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Quirk?

tropic depot
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Go to the device card

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Click the 3 dots

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manage zigbee device

topaz seal
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Am there

tropic depot
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Actually just expand the info on the card instead

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Get out of the dialog

topaz seal
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Okay

tropic depot
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Is there a quirk listed?

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Compare to one working right to see what I mean

topaz seal
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IEEE: 00:15:8d:00:07:6a:79:96
Nwk: 0x16b3
Device Type: EndDevice
LQI: Unbekannt
RSSI: Unbekannt
Zuletzt gesehen: 2022-10-25T12:58:19
Energiequelle: Battery or Unknown
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Working one

IEEE: 00:15:8d:00:08:a7:51:ac
Nwk: 0x0c3d
Device Type: EndDevice
LQI: Unbekannt
RSSI: Unbekannt
Zuletzt gesehen: 2022-10-25T11:33:55
Energiequelle: Battery or Unknown
Eigenart: zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.magnet_aq2.MagnetAQ2
tropic depot
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Right

topaz seal
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So yeah "Eigenart"

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It is missing

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Why are they so bad btw? Documentation? Hardware?

tropic depot
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Tuya?

topaz seal
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Yeah or Xiaomi

tropic depot
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They implement a completely custom protocol over zigbee

topaz seal
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Custom in what sense?

tropic depot
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So nothing works OOTB

topaz seal
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Other frame?

tropic depot
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custom everything

topaz seal
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Well they also cook with water I guess

tropic depot
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And the devices are generally not great too

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some eat batteries

topaz seal
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That I expected

tropic depot
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Some just have bad components etc

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Aqara has gotten way better

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In the beginning they were the hard ones to support… now they just work

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most new stuff is zigbee 3 and certified

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And works OOTB

topaz seal
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Yeah, I will get rid of Tuya soon and buy four Tado valves for 300€ (ouch)

tropic depot
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👀

topaz seal
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So about this quirk, can I add it by editing the file with Vim or something?

tropic depot
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Anyway, if you have perf issues we need to diagnose your environment

tropic depot
topaz seal
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I am trying to get rid of all docker container addons etc. I have the suspicion that too many containers are problematic

tropic depot
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And we’ll get that sorted

topaz seal
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So that is why I want to use ZHA over Z2M

tropic depot
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Well one of the things with ZHA is that it runs inside of HA’s loop

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So if you have anything misbehaving

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In HA

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custom components for instance that stall the loop

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ZHA will suffer

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As will any other component in HA that is latency sensitive

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But, let’s start here first: what is your setup? Machine, coordinator, how is it connected? What channel is your WiFi on? what channel is ZHA using? Etc

topaz seal
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Device: Pi4
WLAN channel: Auto
ZHA channel: 11

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I will try to set the WiFi to channel 1 or something and see if that improves it

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I guess this is only relevant for 2,4 GHz

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?

tropic depot
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There is a pinned message here that explains signal overlap

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WiFi, BT and Zigbee all share 2.4

topaz seal
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Current channel was 6 actually

tropic depot
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Also, sent you a DM to troubleshoot the contact sensor…

final echo
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Anyone up for helping troubleshoot a "Couldn't start ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator"?
Had been working solidly for a few months and after a reboot now just won't come back online.
Before that it stopped working on a previous reboot & had to reflash and re-join everything, but I don't want to be doing that multiple times a year...
Log: https://pastebin.com/EqQw9fiU
PCAPng: https://www.dropbox.com/s/64ql6s1wn1l3z2l/sonoff.pcapng?dl=0

boreal rivet
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Hey folks! I’m struggling with my Zigbee network recently. For about 3 months all was stable but over the past few weeks I’ve started having devices (Sengled Door Sensors, Gledopto light controllers more than any) just stop responding to automations or just stop responding. Any thoughts on where to to go to do some better troubleshooting in Home Assistant?

austere patio
final echo
austere patio
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Is that still the correct IP address for the coordinator?

final echo
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got there in the end - sorry I missed that in the PCAP it was the coordinator IP sending the FIN,ACK not HA
the coordinator is a Sonoff USB shared via com2tcp, and the DSR was closing the connection so needed to add an --ignore-dsr flag to com2tcp
not sure why it was working before without it

vital ermine
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how can i easily find which device is not working?
[0x41DB:11:0x0008]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>'), DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>'), DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>'), DeliveryError('Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>')]

tropic depot
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0x0008 is level control

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so it is most likely a light of some sort

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0x41DB is the nwk address

vital ermine
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thx. i pasted it in the visualisation as search, but nothing pops up lol

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at least i know how to troubleshoot. thx

molten linden
tranquil reef
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Anyone have suggestions for debugging zigbee group messaging issues?

austere patio
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What issues are you having?

smoky tapir
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re-discovered the (lack) of distance 2.4ghz travels in my house when playing around with zigbee buttons last night. 🙂

lilac wharf
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gotta get some more routers boi

smoky tapir
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yeah, the sengled power monitors are back to $10/each in pack of 4, ordering now to continue

austere patio
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Also be aware Zigbee buttons and sensors aren't really mobile, they'll likely keep trying to talk to their original parent even if you move them around

grim igloo
austere patio
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Yeah. Sometimes you get into a state where the sensor can just barely talk to its original parent, leading to intermittent connectivity. Newer ones are smarter about finding new parents but it usually takes a while.

grim igloo
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Newer ones such as?