i need to wait a good minute until my projector and its android tv started
#the-water-cooler
finite atlas
hoary canyon
Wifi upgrade incoming 👀
finite atlas
for a second i thought, that its a dishy
jade tartan
@hoary canyon how far do those reach? i have an older ap lite
hoary canyon
<@!390856614942474241> how far do those reach? i have an older ap lite
No clue. I have 2 AC Pros at the moment, and they reach decently far on each level
Excited to get the new WiFi 6 Pros in
jade tartan
word
hoary canyon
Did you cancel, or did ya move?
jade tartan
move
hoary canyon
ah that sucks
jade tartan
were on ftth but it's only 100/100
hoary canyon
Local company i'm assuming?
jade tartan
yep
hoary canyon
I think we pay like $70/mo for ATT Fiber 1000
jade tartan
yeah was 79 here
hoary canyon
Hopefully it performs better than this through a couple of walls 👀
scenic radish
Yeah, I don't see a real need for max download speed over WiFi personally
hoary canyon
I don't really have a need for it, but I just like to see gigabit over wifi 🤣
scenic radish
hoary canyon
and I needed to extend range to the outside of my house so I figured why not upgrade them and use the AC Pros for outside
jade tartan
i know it's pointless and dumb
but i want a whole ubiquiti system
cameras
door access
all of it
i just am seeing they have door access which is neat
hoary canyon
Cameras are overpriced IMO
The door access is cool though
I would personally use Reolink/Amcrest with Frigate NVR
static schooner
I had an AC pro outside for a while and eventually it failed and brought down my whole network until I removed it. I had it in a fake rock
jade tartan
blue iris, amcrest
cause it worked well for me
deff needed to re set server to have a raid of ssd's to initally record all the 1080p30 streams, and then if motion move file to HDD
cause i had it direct to the hdd's and they didnt like that too much
constant writing to random old DVR drives i ripped outa old units
BREH
hoary canyon
I had an AC pro outside for a while and eventually it failed and brought down my...
I'll probably have it in an outdoor enclosure on the side of the house
jade tartan
wtf
hoary canyon
I have conduit running outside for the ISP so I'll just run it through there
jade tartan
they have solar stuff
@hoary canyon lololol
naaaaaaa
they arnt overpriced at all
hoary canyon
lol yeah their 4K cam is $440
when I can get an Amcrest color night vision for like $150 lmao
hoary canyon
lol
I wonder if my 802.3af injector will temporarily power the APs
I think they are 802.3At though
scenic radish
I like my amcrest cams
Four of them deployed recording 24/7 with frigate
I want to get at least 2 more
hoary canyon
@jade tartan you seen this? more to add to your list 🤣
jade tartan
i'd love one of those to use for HA
obviously i assume were both talking about the display
not the mount
lol
jade tartan
HMMMMM
i want to wire up this esp8266 to this small LCD so i can have it display status messages
dusky plank
and I want to get connection logs out of my wireguard
glacial knot
Get a log when a peer connects first? Or what kind of logs?
glacial knot
I think wireguard doesn't do those
dusky plank
yup
glacial knot
you'll have to either whip something up with ebpf (I'll do it for 50/h€ in probably 2 to 3 hours) or try to correlate iptables/conntrack logs with changes in the peer table of the tunnel
dusky plank
before I do any of that I will fork the source and put the logs in place myself 😄
glacial knot
have fun maintaining your own kernel module 🙂
forest edge
https://youtu.be/GhUfIXRkUF8 @clear ferry you could get this and let the snow blow in your hair.
forest edge
you would want something that requires hand gestures
clear ferry
I already get €8k a year in compensation just to own a car, plus all my parking and tolls @glacial knot 
forest edge
clear ferry
Interesting, the new power payment plan for Norway is based on your level of payment is based on the time of day you use the most power, so then it would make sense to do an automation that turns off all my heat pumps when we cook dinner
low harness
They're starting to go for the same in Sweden. The cost per kWh is based on your peak load or something.
blissful hull
Hey there!
So it is going to happend, I am going to buy a flat! 🙂
A flat that needs to be renovated, so I can go full smart home from the ground up.
I would Like to use HA as the brain I think it is awsome, the key values are great, so the future is promising.
So far I wanted to use a ton of shelly 4pm pro-s. But I just came across KNX protocoll.
My guestion is that is there somebody that used any knx device with HA? Can I get some inputs. Are they better than shelly? Does the worth the price differences? 🙂 Can someone recommend me a knx manufaturer and produts?
Thank guys!
clever mortar
You'd be better asking about hardware in #hardware-archived
low harness
And congratulations!
wind quail
Interesting, the new power payment plan for Norway is based on your level of pay...
You can also turn off all heating once usage for the current hour exceeds whatever threshold you want
clear ferry
I willfully refuse to turn off any of my servers though
blissful hull
Hey there!
So it is going to happend, I am going to buy a flat! 🙂
A flat that n...
I always miss with my choice of topic, thanks 🙂
finite atlas
Interesting, the new power payment plan for Norway is based on your level of pay...
wouldnt it make the most sense, to bill one after the amount of energy they used at the certain market price for electricity?
like that for example
clear ferry
That is what we have done up to this point
finite atlas
hopefully i'm able to go solar soon .-.
vernal dew
hello guys
clever mortar
You can always use imgur...
young sigil
Really to prevent people posting pictures of configuration text.
clever mortar
Only if you read the channel topic first
Because this is probably the wrong channel/server/reality
We're not Discord support
You can ask, but you're not likely to get a useful answer
clear ferry
clever mortar
Then, if you too use Discord, you know the answer already... 🤔
Who cares?
It's not a bot that's used here after all
||I know, the universe ends||
glacial knot
what's Mee6?
clever mortar
A bot
light trout
It does not matter
clever mortar
This is not the server you are looking for. Move along
More seriously, there's no shortage of servers that run that bot - try asking there
clever mortar
clever mortar
clear ferry
young sigil
What happened? I missed it.
clever mortar
Just another muppet
clever mortar
Wanted to know about Mee6 or something
clear ferry
glacial knot
you can still make fun of atx
fathom sparrow
I've been doing that for years
clear ferry
warm shale
clever mortar
You clearly haven't found the release notes ||or the channel topic||
glacial knot
Is that a #330990055533576204 question?
velvet horizonBOT
glacial knot
maybe I should update...
clever mortar
Nah, wait for others to find the worst of teh bugs 😛
glacial knot
I'd change my setup either way. MAybe migrate the database into a proper one
clear ferry
Are you running sqlite 🤢
glacial knot
whatever the default is
vague parrot
is anyone noticing issues with volumes on google cast speakers and groups? I have 8 speakers (casts, nests, homes) and a single "Everywhere" group. curious if it's just me or if anyone noticed oddities with this before
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
#integrations-archived is the place to ask about integrations
last cedar
Lol, imagine updating to a .0 version
Imagine updating at all
clear ferry
forest edge
wow those UK bastards are persistent in trying to hack your stuff.
hot hearth
i assume uk is me maybe? bc ive been using it for home assistant and and a website on my phone today
jade tartan
sooooo, i get in settings, but really, why is there a map tab on the side bar?
like
oh hey, yep, thats where i live on a map
strange vapor
For the big bad outside world, the mobile apps can transmit back your position. Useful for automations that start when you approach home.
jade tartan
HMMMMMM
how offten does it update location info tho?
and thats only if you have gps on
who just leaves it on?
forest edge
it can be used to track any number of ways, not just limited to your phone nor is it limited to just tracking people. track pets, cars whatever
jade tartan
true enough, i guess i just dont see it because i have no trackers really, lol
the only thing really would be me and my wife's phones, other then that our cars are old and nothing else really moves
rapid tendon
umbral cliff
What program is that?
forest edge
dusky plank
the only thing really would be me and my wife's phones, other then that our cars...
its not only devices and your home, you can do a lot with geofencing - i get my shopping list as notification when I enter a mall for example
forest edge
why not just use an app to keep your shopping list on? heck they can sync with multiple people and it's always there to add/remove/change
dusky plank
because most apps with tailored features cost money? duh 🤷♂️ 😅
forest edge
tailored it's a list lol
dusky plank
a list with the ability to judge wether I am in the mall for > 3 minutes ond not stay in the parking lot...
umbral cliff
because most apps with tailored features cost money? duh 🤷♂️ 😅
If you have iphones then the reminders app does that
It has geofencing and syncs
Geofencing pretty accurate too
dusky plank
but I cant edit reminders list on pc?
static schooner
iCloud has a web interface
umbral cliff
I think it also syncs with outlook too through the icloud program
dusky plank
yeah then theres still other people writing on the list... but ok. free app is obviously available
umbral cliff
You can share the lists too
static schooner
I think it also syncs with outlook too through the icloud program
I suspect that sucks, though
glacial knot
iCloud has a web interface
last I used that, I asked a support person if it's not a supported product. Which got me escalated to their manager 😂
umbral cliff
last I used that, I asked a support person if it's not a supported product. Whic...
It’s not the best but it does work decently well. Especially if thats your only option
static schooner
The web panel for iCloud isn’t too bad
glacial knot
I have my outlook (work) icloud and personal cloud stuff all separate as 3 different accounts on the phone
umbral cliff
I suspect that sucks, though
Yeah icloud app is not good at all (Like all Apple programs on windows tbh)
glacial knot
oh, I had a very specific bug. I was just annoyed that they can't be arsed to fix their CSP headers. and they told me that it's not on the roadmap =.= So the Notes in iCloud break in weird ways
umbral cliff
How do they break?
But also not surprised if its a weird error only <1% of their users experience
glacial knot
some of the embeds don't load because they violate CSP
if you use the "scan document" option, that embeds the cropped/corrected page into the notes
Those have a different file type, which isn't in the CSP whitelist for the domain they fetch them from
umbral cliff
What file type do they use
But weird
That actually sounds like something that should be fixed
glacial knot
I don't remember what it was
forest edge
apple 🤢
glacial knot
that they don't o.0
Apple is good when you want to follow their intended flows
But for the "Think different" slogan their products are surprisingly bad at allowing anything but that one intended good path
forest edge
apple is a price gouging, feature locking, proprietary peripheral company that literally designs on the quote, "people are idiots".
umbral cliff
I dunno you can still get a lot of use outside of what their lock in is. Want to use Gmail app as the default mail app? Sure go ahead. Covers most of the bases for what I want to do on a phone
forest edge
and that wasn't always the case
umbral cliff
Wireless charging is open standard. iPads use usb C, its all open
forest edge
it's also not a 100% guarantee
umbral cliff
and that wasn't always the case
We’re not talking what used to be the case. I’m talking now
forest edge
no my android phone will always connect to gmail lol
umbral cliff
no my android phone will always connect to gmail lol
So will iphones though. I really doubt apple would kill what is one of the largest email providers
Nor do I think they would ever remove setting default apps
forest edge
apple dosen't make decisions on what users use or think
they never have
never will
to them you are an idiot
umbral cliff
But androids aren’t all glory as you make it out to be, like how new Samsung’s remove the ability to use the camera if you root the device
umbral cliff
apple dosen't make decisions on what users use or think
No they don’t make the decisions. The users make the decisions. If you want to do something different you can
forest edge
samsung is not android
forest edge
that dosen't make them android or google
anyone can take someone else's software and change it
look at linux
umbral cliff
So basically you’re saying you can only go with pixels if you want android. otherwise you’re not running android
and you can only judge pixels?
umbral cliff
No but its an example for how android isn’t all glory though. When someone thinks of an android phone they think either a) samsung, b) one of the major chinese brands, c) pixel
A lot of the others aren’t immediately thought of
Thus making samsung a good example of how things change
forest edge
that's not true
in the least
samsung is just a company amongst many that use android
would be like faulting android for what Huawei done with it before they were cut off lol
umbral cliff
*one of the largest
I would judge windows laptops/ prebuilts based on the largest manufacturers and microsoft themselves
forest edge
but with android you have choices, options. you are not forced down a narrow path with whatever one companies decided to throw you a bone lol
umbral cliff
Curious what option is so important that only exists on android?
forest edge
and if you don't like samsung's choices, root the phone and presto.. you can do whatever you want lol
umbral cliff
and if you don't like samsung's choices, root the phone and presto.. you can do ...
If you root a samsung you lose the camera, nfc, and fingerprint sensor
So not do whatever you want
glacial knot
I would judge windows laptops/ prebuilts based on the largest manufacturers and ...
why would you?
forest edge
but regardless, so don't pick samsung if that's an issue for you
umbral cliff
I don't believe that
umbral cliff
why would you?
Because thats what the majority of the population will be purchasing
umbral cliff
Because if the large guys don’t make change then it won’t really happen at all
Look at how they all follow each other
So i judge them because they are the ones who need to improve in what they do
glacial knot
Not really?
forest edge
he's so use to apple ecosystem he can't imagine a world where software and hardware can be done through diffrent companies
glacial knot
There's always been feature sand gimicks on both phones and laptops that the large vendors don't do
umbral cliff
he's so use to apple ecosystem he can't imagine a world where software and hardw...
I like how you assume I only use the apple ecosystem too though
forest edge
well noone defends them that don't
umbral cliff
But yes. It’s pretty obvious companies like HP/ Dell copy each other too
glacial knot
with how much you demonstrate that you don't know other ecosystems /shrug
umbral cliff
well noone defends them that don't
I think they’ve made some shitty decisions tbh
glacial knot
HP 😂
umbral cliff
Like how they don’t swap to usb c
forest edge
they are the epicenter of shitty decisions
umbral cliff
they are the epicenter of shitty decisions
Yet they’re still one of the major consumer laptop producers
So…
Remember most people have no clue what they’re buying
forest edge
cause they are in part right, people are idiots lol
umbral cliff
I judge all companies which put shitty things out
Refused to get a mac because of the terrible keyboard. Still don’t have one
That was a terrible idea
And still unsure with M1 to be able to run other OSes easily
forest edge
if apple actually listened and cared about thier users the single ecosystem would sound appealing, however because they just do what they want and don't care about you at all, thier system is trash as you said, they don't implement things people ask for etc
they are the only company still fighting with all thier might the right to repair lol
umbral cliff
they are the only company still fighting with all thier might the right to repai...
That’s why they’ve introduced a way to do your own repairs right?
glacial knot
Asahi Linux is making great progress
umbral cliff
Fighting it through allowing it
(For once they actually are doing things good with right to repair)
forest edge
they are doing the bare minimal to shut some people up lol
static schooner
Asahi Linux is making great progress
Does it run on beer?
glacial knot
That’s why they’ve introduced a way to do your own repairs right?
No. They introduced a way for repair shops to get licensed to get access to parts
umbral cliff
No. They introduced a way for repair shops to get licensed to get access to part...
It’s for everyone though
umbral cliff
I still support the OS flagging screen/ battery replacements that aren’t done with apple check because buying a used phone you want to know a repair was done. Seen plenty of friends who got an OLED replaced with LCD because they saved money
umbral cliff
it's not a program for any single person
forest edge
you should really give the other side a try, i think your eyes would pop out of your head
umbral cliff
available to individual consumers
I’m sure it’s only for companies and they would say that right
umbral cliff
you should really give the other side a try, i think your eyes would pop out of ...
I did. Bricked my android after it failed to install an update. Was the only update it ever got too
umbral cliff
Gotta love the <12 months of support that android makers used to do
(Granted that is improving at least)
forest edge
your the only person in the world who bricked a phone updating lol
umbral cliff
Doubt that
forest edge
you gots apple fingers
umbral cliff
Pretty easy to brick the shitty androids that are sold
Like the ones that are sold by carriers for sub $200-300
forest edge
then don't buy the shitty ones lol
umbral cliff
Yay I spend as much as an iPhone then
And I don’t get long term updates
And resale value drops
umbral cliff
what do you mean by long term
Like 6 years of updates
forest edge
in all honsety hardware tends to break down before support ends lol
umbral cliff
Only batteries really. Easily replaced (either $50 at a cheap store or $80 through apple, or however much the batteries will be and do them yourself)
Great for passing phones down to parents or grandparents or kids to keep them used
forest edge
when you buy an android phone from like samsung you are buying samsungs version of android, not googles android. you get the support that they offer, not what google offers. my pixel 3 is still going strong and i get the latest android near instantly when it releases and it runs flawlessly but on a samung phone you don't have that option cause samsung has to release thier own update
umbral cliff
So you’re locked into only buying google pixels then
forest edge
if your phone bricked, it's the comnpany you bought the phone from fault
not androids
glacial knot
The unified kernel hopefully also fixes some of that whole support split
ehh. Update capability should really be part of the OS
Unless they pushed a faulty update, that's on android
umbral cliff
if your phone bricked, it's the comnpany you bought the phone from fault
Telstra & ZTE both said it was an android bug affecting their hardware
Specially that model of cpu
glacial knot
which says nothing
umbral cliff
when you buy an android phone from like samsung you are buying samsungs version ...
Pixel 3 still only came out in 2018. Not that long ago
forest edge
ehh. Update capability should really be part of the OS
Unless they pushed a faul...
it's up to the company selling the phone.. they all make thier own changes to the OS so android cannot be responsible for how or when it gets updated or how it acts
not to mention companies like samsung don't want thier phones to be updated by google.. they want full control
umbral cliff
Which is bad. When android xyz appears I want to be able to update to it natively
No rooting or whatever to do it
forest edge
thus why I bought a pixel lol
glacial knot
it's up to the company selling the phone.. they all make thier own changes to th...
if they mess with the update code. Which I doubt
umbral cliff
It’s a good advantage of iOS. Instant updates too
forest edge
they all mess with every aspect of the OS
umbral cliff
Doubt they mess with updates though. There’s no need
forest edge
unless something has changed the android on samsung phones do not check with googl;es update servers at all.. all that comes from a server samsung controls
umbral cliff
Yeah they issue the updates. Doesn’t mean the mess with how updates are installed or given
Would be changing the address
forest edge
point is, if your having an issue with android and it's not from Google then it's like bitching about Linux on a Dell PC etc
glacial knot
update server is a wildly different change from messing with the actual update process
forest edge
or Windows on a asus
umbral cliff
or Windows on a asus
If windows fails to update then yes that’s a windows issue. Doesn’t matter if it’s an asus image
glacial knot
The responsibility of providing drivers is a constant fight though
forest edge
the windows was a bad example to use.. the linux example is better fitting
umbral cliff
Even Linux I would complain to the distro if the drivers didn’t work
Since that’s their stuff to sort out
forest edge
you know apple is linux right?
umbral cliff
BSD but yes
It’s the big advantage of MacOS over windows
Easier for code, etc with the program support of windows
(Since wine just isn’t as good as people make out)
forest edge
proprietary garbage
umbral cliff
Depending on your workflow sometimes you have to suck up and accept that proprietary programs exist too
forest edge
there really isn't any
this day in age there isn't a single piece of software that you cannot find some sort of open source software that does mostly the same thing
umbral cliff
For me it was mainly around academic stuff. Endnote & word is the top tier combination for essays and referencing
Or some programs I’ve had to use in my computer science degree too
forest edge
if you find yourself having to pay for software to do stuff you want to do then you need to learn how to google better lol
umbral cliff
if you find yourself having to pay for software to do stuff you want to do then ...
Oh I didn’t have to pay a thing
Most things have academic discounts or are completely free
glacial knot
For me it was mainly around academic stuff. Endnote & word is the top tier combi...
😂
what software did you need during your degree? o.0
umbral cliff
what software did you need during your degree? o.0
Well apart from what I mentioned before, also needed Vivado (FPGA coding), few other small programs that were provided by the uni (forgotten what they’re called) and also stata for my criminology degree
Probably a few proprietary programs that I just didn’t look into
glacial knot
I'd have to look up what we used for FPGAs, but I do know that it was free
glacial knot
that's not free then
umbral cliff
If you don’t have to pay anything then that makes it free
open source vs proprietary does not mean free vs paid
umbral cliff
Free means no need to spend money. That’s what most people use
forest edge
no
open source free is not the same as software given to you without exchange of money
umbral cliff
Then there’s been plenty of them that I’ve used
Because either a) required, b) easier to use, or c) just works in my workflow
I don’t get making your life painful just to avoid anything ‘non-free’
glacial knot
sounds like you went to a sucky school ¯_(ツ)_/¯
forest edge
you don't make your life painful by avoiding paid software. it's just the fact that there are option of free that are mostly just as good as paid.. heck in some cases even surpases the paid variant
Gimp for example has come a very long way lol
umbral cliff
Where’s paid coming into it. Plenty of free of charge but proprietary software though
glacial knot
Really? Last I used Gimp was a great example of why we need more UX designers in free software
forest edge
LibreOffice office is even more prefered over MS's by alot of people
umbral cliff
Ugh I hate libreoffice. It just can’t do what it should easily
It butchers conversions from word
And no extensions to allow referencing easily
forest edge
Really? Last I used Gimp was a great example of why we need more UX designers in...
I honestly haven't used Gimp in several years but a buddy of mine always points out it's improvments to me so from that end it has came a long way lol
glacial knot
yes, microsoft doesn't follow their own published document standards
umbral cliff
Also the fact that academic work requires times new Roman. Which requires some hacky way to add it to Linux too
But still extensions in word make it easy
umbral cliff
And still misses the extensions part
When they’re both the same price ($0) it’s easier to go with the more supported one
forest edge
If you dug yourself into a hole using a proprietary software obviously open source is going to have some issues, which is why you don't start out using proprietary just like buying apple products.. just say no at the begining and life becomes golden
glacial knot
Also the fact that academic work requires times new Roman. Which requires some h...
WHAT? sorry, but which journal exactly?
turbid stirrup
Is M$ office also $0 nowadays?
Time to finally uninstall the sucky libre office. It just can't cope with big Excel sheets it seems.
umbral cliff
Is M$ office also $0 nowadays?
Time to finally uninstall the sucky libre office....
$0 for students
glacial knot
of institutions that have 2k or more paid licenses
turbid stirrup
$0 for students
Nice of them
forest edge
i think ms office ONLINE is free
umbral cliff
WHAT? sorry, but which journal exactly?
Every uni essay help too I’ve seen says TNR
forest edge
but not the local version
umbral cliff
i think ms office ONLINE is free
That’s hot garbage
umbral cliff
of institutions that have 2k or more paid licenses
Or if they already have O365 for email they add on office for marginally more
glacial knot
Every uni essay help too I’ve seen says TNR
Well, you should find better institutions then
turbid stirrup
i think ms office ONLINE is free
I've used it... When opening SharePoint crap I don't want to download. For anything more than viewing it sucks though.
umbral cliff
Well, you should find better institutions then
So basically move overseas?
Or just make do with something that’s free and provided for all students. I’ll take the latter
forest edge
it's only free cause they want you to become dependant on it
umbral cliff
Given most businesses also use word, etc I don’t care
turbid stirrup
With proprietary software... If it's free, you're the product.
And I am, no doubts about that.
umbral cliff
With proprietary software... If it's free, you're the product.
Unless it’s free because they make money in other ways (eg the fpga software is free because they sell $200-300 boards)
turbid stirrup
True
In this example of students getting to use office for free it's more of a gateway drug :)
glacial knot
Only reason MS offers products to student is to get them used to them before they start working
umbral cliff
True
In this example of students getting to use office for free it's more of a g...
Given most businesses use it, it’s a good skill to have though
turbid stirrup
Yup
umbral cliff
There are huge expenses to running FOSS in businesses. Given the support just isn’t to the level of MSFT
glacial knot
the amount of word used in business contexts is less than a simple markup editor can do ¯_(ツ)_/¯
turbid stirrup
True
Excel and PowerPoint however....
umbral cliff
You can be the one to teach people how to transition though. And to provide the <24hr support that’s also provided with msft
turbid stirrup
(Access used to be up there, it needs to die in a nuclear accident)
umbral cliff
(Access used to be up there, it needs to die in a nuclear accident)
Yep
turbid stirrup
the amount of word used in business contexts is less than a simple markup editor...
If calmelb is in the academic space they tend to be the branch that does use some of Word's more advanced functions that you can't with notepad++ for example
glacial knot
dunno for powerpoint. All the presentation training I have points towards not using animations or other stuff. So it's actually a slideshow. Which again, removes pretty much every feature that you can't pick up in minutes
And PP is awefully slow. I've switched back to beamer for the last one I did 😄
umbral cliff
If calmelb is in the academic space they tend to be the branch that does use som...
You can do academic work in latex but that’s a huge learning curve
(Was in academia doing my undergrad degree - including some research - until this semester. Just graduated woot)
glacial knot
If calmelb is in the academic space they tend to be the branch that does use som...
I know. I've had to track referenes do proper tables and figures, including indices for them, and other stuff as well
turbid stirrup
Take your latex back to fetlife, I won't kinkshame ;)
umbral cliff
There’s a reason why my desktop is now running Linux only too
glacial knot
proper figure tracking and automatic updates of indices/ToC and similar stuff is why I dislike word for any serious work
it's an ok tool for something that needs structure and should be edited by multiple people
But for anything serious it starts being slow and clunky. And for simple stuff, it shared scratchpad or simple markup will be worth more
umbral cliff
Take your latex back to fetlife, I won't kinkshame ;)
LaTeX was great during my comp sci degree since they didn’t care as much about the font or proper referencing. Criminology degree they did and that’s where word was mainly used for me (Plus spell check & grammar check)
glacial knot
TeX always had better referencing than word o.0
umbral cliff
Word benefits from endnote being a one click reference
And academic journals have one click add to endnote
I spend 0 time doing the referencing with that
glacial knot
all relevant ones have snippets for bibtex
turbid stirrup
I dislike word as I dislike writing documentation other than comments in code. I've written my own bash usage function to automatically include a -h help text grepped from the script itself. Shrugs
glacial knot
the amount of time to insert the reference information is about the same as clicking through it in word. And it's nicer to use in the document
glacial knot
I dislike word as I dislike writing documentation other than comments in code. I...
literal programming pls
umbral cliff
all relevant ones have snippets for bibtex
Still not as easy as one click add including the PDF, and add to word. When im writing an essay late I can reference 10-20 references easily
Its also commonly accepted in academic work so makes endnote sharing easy
glacial knot
what? it's literally a copy paste of a snippet on the journal pages.
umbral cliff
So you copy and paste instead of 2 clicks
glacial knot
I know. It's almost up to bibtex 😄
umbral cliff
That’s time I don’t often have
glacial knot
with 20 references? you got a lot of time left 😂
glacial knot
you are writing your papers in 5 minutes?
umbral cliff
(Also bibtex just doesn’t have a graphical or auto fill for references. You have to know the author name and number)
umbral cliff
you are writing your papers in 5 minutes?
Nah but I leave the actual referencing to the end of my essay writing
Never said I was an organised student 😅
glacial knot
what? You go through your entire text to enter the proper citations at the end? Do you like to suffer?
glacial knot
(Also bibtex just doesn’t have a graphical or auto fill for references. You have...
yes? The only times I had to write the content for references mysefl was when we had to cite something that wasn't actually published.... they are provided by everything that was ever relevant to cite for me
umbral cliff
what? You go through your entire text to enter the proper citations at the end? ...
Yes
umbral cliff
yes? The only times I had to write the content for references mysefl was when we...
What did you use to write LaTeX then. The way I did it (markdown then pandoc) doesn’t have autofill
Since it’s just text editor
glacial knot
vim? Weird question
And that has extensions to do auto-complete
glacial knot
Yes
Sounds dumb. I just added my references when I had them open. Since it’s 0 pain to do so
umbral cliff
Sounds dumb. I just added my references when I had them open. Since it’s 0 pain ...
I just did it at the end because it didn’t take much time. Usually they were adding to endnote automatically from the extension I had but others I had to click
But like just worked for me
So just left it
glacial knot
Do you not put the reference in text? Or direct quote? I’m so confused
Did you literally just add a list at the end as further reading?
I’d never go through the code and try to figure out which reference was for what part afterwards
umbral cliff
Reference in text. Just in the essay put [cite] and then afterwards control-F and find anything saying cite and add them
I do my essays weirdly but it works
Finished two degrees and have good grades
(And a grad job starting in a month)
Plus in uni I just want to get it done and do well. I don’t want to lose marks on formatting or referencing or anything like that too
glacial knot
just never claim your workflows are better than (bib)TeX if that's your actual workflow 😂 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
umbral cliff
Again my point about I’ll use whatever software works with my workflow regardless of if it’s FOSS or paid or closed source
I will give foss software a go, not going to be bound by only using it
glacial knot
you wouldn't have ended up at word then
umbral cliff
you wouldn't have ended up at word then
I still prefer it after originally using open office/ libre office over the last 15 years in scattered amounts
fading zodiac
Anyone itallian here that i can ask a translation question?
clear ferry
I mostly either do just office in the browser or libre office locally
umbral cliff
I mostly either do just office in the browser or libre office locally
Office in the browser is horrible
clear ferry
Office in the browser is horrible
It does everything I need it to do thankfully
umbral cliff
@sterile ferry your shipment to me has so far made it though 5 states and is yet to leave the USA since the 3rd of December 😂
Postage is funny
clear ferry
Yet my packages to the UK and Ireland were delivered in less then a week
Wonder when my packages to the US will arrive
umbral cliff
Delaware to Philadelphia to chicago to New York to New Jersey
clear ferry
I got a package from Germany faster than my package was delivered to northern Norway, which is funny
umbral cliff
Why it had to go via Chicago when it otherwise would’ve gone up the east coast is crazy
clever mortar
I had one parcel that took a world tour when it was supposed to go less than 1000 miles...
umbral cliff
I got a package from Germany faster than my package was delivered to northern No...
Yeah I’ve had parcels from Sydney quicker than ones in Melbourne itself. I still don’t get that one
umbral cliff
Or the fact that dbrand stickers go via the UK & Asia from Canada rather than just Canada to Asia to australia
umbral cliff
What is australia in Norwegian?
clear ferry
Øustralija
glacial knot
Not Prísón?
sturdy pecan
Fengsell if you get closer to Oslo
sturdy pecan
oh jesus
clear ferry
Good thing I hate people and can avoid socialising
sturdy pecan
100% agree
clear ferry
sturdy pecan
ahh man wish i had that emote
clear ferry
sturdy pecan
wait why cant i use my emotes?
clear ferry
umbral cliff
Not Prísón?
Unsure where you get that, we stopped being a prison colony centuries ago 😄
forest edge
Japanese prank shows do some wild stuff
80% of that would be illegal as hell in the states lol
umbral cliff
So we’re not a prison colony
clear ferry
80% of that would be illegal as hell in the states lol
Y'all prudes, we know
forest edge
one of the pranks was hooking each end of a bed someone was sleeping in to a crane and literally ripping the bed through the roof and into the air while the guy shit himself waking up.. I wouldn't call us not wanting that to be a possibilty being a prude lmao
clear ferry
forest edge
jackass dosen't do that kind of stuff on unsuspecting people, they do it as a dare on people willing to
orchid rose
Are you sure it was unsuspecting people in the Japanese show? Sounds sus
forest edge
I mean can't be 100% but they played it off as if they were.. the dude in the bed was asleep... well supposedly
glacial knot
I'm pretty sure the JackAss guys were all willing to participate but weren't asked about some of the specific ones before they fell victim to them
clear ferry
Full participation agreement up front
warm ice
guys, is the cmmunity forum offline?
clever mortar
It appears to be, let me report it upwards
clever mortar
Looks like AWS is having issues
junior forge
👆
clever mortar
again
warm ice
seems its back
umbral cliff
Hmm very random question, but is there a blog post or something about how and why HA became a thing. Always find it interesting to hear the original plan & story behind projects before they become massive
hot hearth
What program is that?
just cloudflare
umbral cliff
(conveniently linked from the HA home page)
Whoops! Thanks though!
stoic topaz
Guys, is there any kind of "themes" or "show-off" channel?!
scenic radish
#frontend-archived probably
clever mortar
The forum mostly though
potent knot
Anyone know when Nabu Casa yearly subscriptions be available? They mentioned it was coming on last weekends State of Open Home.
clever mortar
#cloud-archived may know
junior forge
Anyone know when Nabu Casa yearly subscriptions be available? They mentioned it ...
Feb 2022, for the US
stoic topaz
The forum mostly though
Would be nice to have some channel tho... Possible?!
stoic topaz
Anyone know when Nabu Casa yearly subscriptions be available? They mentioned it ...
Get some DynDNS or use some own domain with cron script to update your DNS entry. Doing same, working just perfect.
jade tartan
you know, i wish there was a better way to use voice commands for HA
potent knot
Get some DynDNS or use some own domain with cron script to update your DNS entry...
Yeah. I am doing that already. I just want to support this awsome team and their vision. I would prefer to do it yearly is all.
low harness
you know, i wish there was a better way to use voice commands for HA
Seems there are some universities working on that.
potent knot
Feb 2022, for the US
ty! and the team! Good stuff.
low harness
you know, i wish there was a better way to use voice commands for HA
https://youtu.be/6ZMXE5PXPqU?t=9691 at about 2:41:30
scenic radish
Would be nice to have some channel tho... Possible?!
I mentioned one above
low harness
Showing off is indeed very welcome in #frontend-archived
jade tartan
<https://youtu.be/6ZMXE5PXPqU?t=9691> at about 2:41:30
this looks really good for what it is
forest edge
I liked the part where the audio got all choppy
hollow glacier
Showing off is indeed very welcome in <#460846676358332417>
looks like all other channels for support to me, not a show off channel 😛
brisk glen
Strong 5ghz Wi-Fi everywhere
hollow glacier
ya i have three APs to handle the house
still have good 2.4ghz coverage for IoT stuff tho
brisk glen
fallow furnace
does anyone know if hub6 went bankrupt - mine seems to have gone tats up
forest edge
never heard of it
fallow furnace
like a polished non customizable envisalink
prime latch
wow i gave it 10gb of ram and it is using most then i thought i wold
low harness
So, containers on a macvlan network can't communicate with a server running natively on the host, huh? Well, a separate container running socat says otherwise.
glacial knot
That's my experience as well
though apparently driver/hardware dependent whether the macvlan devices will be able to directly communicate with each other/the host
low harness
It's pretty clear from the documentation that it shouldn't work. But this is a nice workaround: yaml apcupsd: image: alpine/socat restart: unless-stopped command: "TCP4-LISTEN:3551,fork,reuseaddr TCP4:172.17.0.1:3551"
Then the container on the macvlan (which is also on the default network) can just connect to apcupsd:3551 instead of host:3551 and things work transparently.
glacial knot
hm? Socat as proxy in the container/on the macvlan virtual bridge to provide the host port?
low harness
On the compose network. I'm running hass in a docker-compose without host networking (not recommended), but that means it can't communicate with the apcups daemon which I want running natively on the host.
Earlier I "fixed" this by having apcupsd running as agent on another machine on the network and connect to that instead.
And besides adding potential points of failure, that made the status "ONLINE SLAVE" rather than "ONLINE".
Overall this feels more stable.
left wharf
Will cutting the power to a compressor style dehumidifier damage the machine? I am considering controlling the on-off circle using a smart plug and an external environment sensor instead of the built-in control.
low harness
Could be. I'd assume it has some kind of "defrost" cycle or such that may need to be run occasionally and I'd guess some choose to normally do so before going into standby.
left wharf
Thanks thomas. You are probably right. My basement is at 15-17C at the moment. Might get colder deeper into the winter. Still I'm more worried about the induction motor in there. Only if my dumb dehumidifier has more control options...
On second thought, the machine does going to standby after reaching a threshold. And my plug has power metering. I can probably cook up some automation to cut the power at standby with these condition.
umbral cliff
Thanks thomas. You are probably right. My basement is at 15-17C at the moment. M...
Could you use a button presser instead?
Or if it has a remote, ir/ rf sender
left wharf
It doesn't have a remote. Only a on/off switch and some buttons to set a basic threshold. Come to think of it. Pressing the off button cut the power abruptly. Waiting for it to go into standby then cutting the power might be the more sane way to go.
low harness
Though if the built-in method is to cut the power, you can probably assume the machine is fine with it.
left wharf
I'm not sure if I should trust the manufacturer on this. Anyway, the power metering is available. Might just do it keep it last longer.
The real issue, I suppose for all dehumidifiers, is that the humidity sensor is only taking local measurement. If there is little circulation in the room, the humidifier is sort of working in its own atmosphere. Drying air nearby and affected by the evaporation from the tank.
umbral cliff
I'm not sure if I should trust the manufacturer on this. Anyway, the power meter...
If there’s warranty then no harm in trusting them
carmine geyser
wow i gave it 10gb of ram and it is using most then i thought i wold
Linux is designed to use all the RAM it can... its for caching - It doesn't mean its not available
clever mortar
You mean https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
carmine geyser
You mean <https://www.linuxatemyram.com/>
thats it...
glacial knot
there's a reason for Free vs. Available memory in linux memory stats
carmine geyser
Cache + Free = Avaliable
in an easy term... there is more though as some buffers are evicable and others not
glacial knot
Cache + Buffers + Free iirc.
forest edge
Ready Boost!
low harness
I'm old enough to remember the absolute outrage when Windows Longhorn tried that...
carmine geyser
and Vista checking all your music for DRM
brazen root
Speaking of shitty memory management. I got some good help last time, so thought I'd ask this too.
I'm quering a postgres/postgis database for a full months worth of data, which could be between 10 and 20 million results. As you may guess, after a few months the process runs out of shared memory. I'm using read_sql in Pandas and sqlalchemy.
What is the recommended way of dealing with such a large query?
clear ferry
SAP HANA 
glacial knot
Let me introduce you to my friend zfs also <a:DogeWink:616755912815935491>
Ahh, atx is a btrfs user
glacial knot
Speaking of shitty memory management. I got some good help last time, so thought...
Download more ram
From what I remember, sql alchemy is far from efficient wrt. Memory
Try something bespoke for that query
Find a way to partition your query if need be
Don’t use python 😉
hot hearth
i assume at this point it's just detecting all connections from outside my country as attacks? because that doesn't seem quite right
dusky plank
what is this? a tamagotchi with a firewall?
clear ferry
clever mortar
"attacks"
finite atlas
i assume at this point it's just detecting all connections from outside my count...
i think the us dosnt like me as all their requests this year have been blocked
hot hearth
i think the us dosnt like me as *all* their requests this year have been blocked
oof, i just kept getting attempted connections from the us, china and russia
so i just blocked everything outside of the uk
i can always whitelist if i ever travel anywhere
or just use my vpn to access them 🤷♂️ i dont like the idea of opening up my ssh port to the www so i vpn into my house in order to do work on my server
hot hearth
i dont mind it, you have to login to use my site anyway so
same but like im still learning abt self hosting shit atm
proxy everything through cloudflare bc ik some kid's gonna ddos me for no reason one day
finite atlas
for that, you also need to server to only allow web traffic from and to cloudflare
if they get your ip and you dont block direct access, they could still get you down easily
hot hearth
is just proxying from cloudflare not enough?
finite atlas
depends on whats enough for you
hot hearth
like wouldnt that stop my ip being exposed anyway? and bc it's a domestic ip all devices on my network have the same ip
finite atlas
someone could still figure out your ip and take it down
hot hearth
so ports 80 and 443 are forwarded to my server and handled by nginx proxy manager
finite atlas
but for that, you need someone, that really hates you
hot hearth
true
clever mortar
oof, i just kept getting attempted connections from the us, china and russia
This is called being on the Internet
Also, wait a while and you'll see plenty more countries in that list
clever mortar
hot hearth
Also, wait a while and you'll see plenty more countries in that list
oh yeah ik, theres australia and everything there but them 3 are the main ones, assume theyre mostly like crawler bots looking for vulnerabilities
and just logging shit
clever mortar
If you have a common port open, you'll be scanned by a few million hosts
hot hearth
i think i have port 25565 open too for a minecraft server i made for my brother
finite atlas
can be taken down pretty easily
hot hearth
and until i discover a decent proxy host that will hide my ip for it, i have just about enough trust in my brother and his mates not to be dicks about it
finite atlas
tcpshield
but personally, i dont really care about such stuff anymore
everything i run on the internet is not critical and can be taken down without affecting my life that much
hot hearth
tbf im similar, i just try to find a balance between not distrupting everyone else's internet and actually being able to do what i want to do
gaunt fern
cloudflare stopped working for me yesterday for some reason now only the top bar of homeassistant shows when i try to use my external link 😦 bad proxy host
finite atlas
i just got a small 2c 8gb ram vps for 4.56€ a month, because i only have an upload speed of 10mbit
besides home assistant, i host everything there
dusky plank
i just got a small 2c 8gb ram vps for 4.56€ a month, because i only have an uplo...
you get this for free on oracle
finite atlas
ik, but there is a interest conflict so i rather stay with my current one
hot hearth
you get this for free on oracle
wait so i could use that to host my mail server without exposing my ip?
for free too?
dusky plank
yes
finite atlas
who knows how long its going to be free tho
clear ferry
I love my oracle VMs
amber bramble
said no one ever
clear ferry
Hey, i hate oracle
But will gladly accept their free shit
Itanium crew representing
pure lava
Is there a install support channel? I dont see one and looking around it seems there is none
orchid rose
There are four depending on the installation method
pure lava
There are four depending on the installation method
Ok i wasnt sure if they were support channels as it does not state so. Which one would i use for a Raspberry install? Sorry, total newb here and dont want to post in the wrong channel
orchid rose
#330990055533576204 probably
pure lava
<#330990055533576204> probably
Thank you
pure tundra
How did you do the peak highlighting I have a spiky load that I want to trigger off of that looks similar to the detection of those peaks
primal hinge
Hi, can anybody help me installing HASS in an android? I'm getting an error while trying to installing it that says that wheels couldn't be built for cryptography
clever mortar
Yeah... no
I'm sure there's a forum thread with others who've been that daft, but it's not supported
primal hinge
ok, thanks anyway
forest edge
https://tenor.com/view/thats-enough-out-of-you-officer-barbrady-south-park-volcano-s1e3-gif-21526882
jade tartan
so uh
1st day of the new job
excited
it should be fun
genetec for the cameras and just starting to migrate the access control to that system also
and cisco phone management
umbral cliff
1st day of the new job
1st day on a Friday only a week before Christmas?
Interesting
jade tartan
todays thursday
AND
next week
i work monday and tues
half day wed
and i think i get paid for thursday and friday but am off
then week after, i work mon tues wed, and get paid for thurs fri, but am off
i love it
lol
then after new year it's like straight 40 hours no questions
umbral cliff
Do you not have Monday/ Tuesday (27/28th) as public holidays?
jade tartan
i dont know really, i gotta get a nailed down set of days that's off
umbral cliff
It looks like the job I’ll start next year has from the 22nd to the 10th off as a Christmas break which will be nice
forest edge
Do you not have Monday/ Tuesday (27/28th) as public holidays?
for what?
forest edge
we don't shift xmas just because it lands on a paticular day of week
umbral cliff
We don’t either. We just have a recognised public holiday to allow people time off
Still celebrate Christmas on the 25th. Just give them a public holiday on the 27th
forest edge
some companies will give days off like that
like if xmas falls on a weekend they will have the following monday off etc
clear ferry
Mostly people just stay home from the 20th of so here, until 2-3rd day off the new year
forest edge
but that's up to the company not some law
forest edge
Mostly people just stay home from the 20th of so here, until 2-3rd day off the n...
from fear of Krampus?
clear ferry
Nah, we just work when we feel like it mostly, and bosses just let us
forest edge
sounds about right.. lazy norwats
umbral cliff
some companies will give days off like that
I prefer being required to have a public holiday. Means either more pay because forced to work public holidays or time off
Both are wine
*wins
clear ferry
Yeah, I've worked holidays for years
Good money
This year I only had 150h overtime
I was impressed
umbral cliff
The tax man will be happy
clear ferry
Yes, they didn't like it when I did 5-700
umbral cliff
Do you get a decent chunk back from tax returns then? Or is it still enough to push you and tax you the whole year
clear ferry
I usually get $1-2k back in tax every year
umbral cliff
Spend all that on smart home stuff? 🤣
clear ferry
I flat out around 31% ish usually
umbral cliff
I’m excited for my first tax return though, earned next to nothing the last 6 months. So 6 months of work will be taxed and I’ll end up with a decent chunk of that returned
clear ferry
I've had income for 28 years so I hardly remember what no income is
umbral cliff
I can’t remember how old you are but I’m pretty sure you’re at least a decade or two older than me 
umbral cliff
Okay so a decade and a half older roughly
clear ferry
forest edge
I prefer being required to have a public holiday. Means either more pay because ...
we got a lot of holidays that are paid, having to work the monday after xmas on a weekend is not detrimental lol
umbral cliff
we got a lot of holidays that are paid, having to work the monday after xmas on ...
Still would be nice to have it too. Especially since Christmas is a holiday normally. Means you don’t miss out due to the calendar falling weird
Here any public holidays that fall on a weekend end up having the Monday straight after as a holiday
umbral cliff
Miss out on the public holiday
clear ferry
We get paid for any holiday always, without working for regular full time workers
umbral cliff
You work Monday- Friday. Public holiday Saturday. You don’t get it
So this means you get the holiday on the next Monday
forest edge
you get xmas eve and xmas off
umbral cliff
Means you can have a long weekend too which is nice
forest edge
if xmas fell on like a sunday, you would get the following monday off
umbral cliff
if xmas fell on like a sunday, you would get the following monday off
Yes that’s what I’m saying it works here
Except we get Christmas & Boxing Day off
forest edge
your "boxing day" is weird
umbral cliff
Why?
forest edge
it's just weird to get an additional 2 days off after a holiday
umbral cliff
If Christmas & Boxing Day fell on Monday & Tuesday you don’t get the additional 2 days. It’s just those two
forest edge
we couldn't do that regardless cause as I said, we get more than enough holiday days off through the year as it is
umbral cliff
It’s because most people don’t work weekends, so they can have a holiday too
umbral cliff
we couldn't do that regardless cause as I said, we get more than enough holiday ...
More holiday days can’t hurt
umbral cliff
If you’re salaried you still get paid. If you’re paid per hour then you either get time off or you get bonus pay (200 or 250% I think)
umbral cliff
thats less people working, the gears aren't turning lol
Society doesn’t need everyone working every day 40+ hour weeks. Having time off with family & friends and having good mental health is far more important
clear ferry
I enjoy my 25ish hour weeks
forest edge
if you live in a country that wouldn't even make a blip if you had disappeared that's easy to say
clear ferry
Still getting paid for 40 though
forest edge
we get roughly 10 or so holidays off in a year, some of those have additional days tied to them
that's plenty
umbral cliff
13-15 here or so. Depending on state and what day things fall on
umbral cliff
if you live in a country that wouldn't even make a blip if you had disappeared t...
Remember essential workers can still work. They just get paid more
forest edge
medical do still work
umbral cliff
Yeah so they deserve extra pay on public holidays. Same with retail, hospitality, etc
Everything doesn’t shut down on a public holiday. It just gives people time off or gives them more money
forest edge
as i said we get plenty, there is no reason to give additional time off for silly reasons
umbral cliff
Silly reasons like giving people a holiday?
forest edge
you already had your holiday
clear ferry
We'll probably do 4 day work week for all at some point
forest edge
this isn't hobbitsville.. there isn't second breakfast
lol just a standard 4 days instead of 5 throughout the year?
umbral cliff
you already had your holiday
Not if it’s on a weekend
umbral cliff
We'll probably do 4 day work week for all at some point
Ooh that sounds fun
forest edge
that sounds like a country going into debt lol
clear ferry
lol just a standard 4 days instead of 5 throughout the year?
Yes
umbral cliff
that sounds like a country going into debt lol
You do realise you don’t have to work 40-60 hours a week 5+ days a week to keep a country afloat right?
clear ferry
We have no debt to the US, the US however has quite a bit of debt to Norway
umbral cliff
Just like you can provide free medical care without making the country bankrupt
forest edge
We have no debt to the US, the US however has quite a bit of debt to Norway
you have over 150 billion in debt
every country has debt, which is why working less seems stupid
umbral cliff
Because you can also be putting money into the economy by going out and spending (like going out for dinner)
4 day work weeks also isn’t guaranteed to change your income
So tax man gets the same anyway
forest edge
that money they pay you on those days off has to be earned from somewhere
umbral cliff
Yeah the work you do for 4 days
forest edge
it's just common sense that if you work less, you make less.. everyone makes less
umbral cliff
it's just common sense that if you work less, you make less.. everyone makes les...
Atx says he works 25 hour weeks and gets paid 40. That’s not being paid less for working less
umbral cliff
Casual workers may be paid less, but there’s no guarantee they even worked 5 day weeks anyway
forest edge
small countries can get away with doing some things differently but all them make compromises in some form or another
atx likes to brag about his financial situation but it costs him more to go out to eat then it does for me to shop for enough food to last a month
clear ferry
But we don't go out to eat, so it isn't a problem
forest edge
why do you think he started a green house for vegtables for ants? lmao
clear ferry
I spend around $150 a week on groceries, and that feeds three people with all homecooked meals
umbral cliff
atx likes to brag about his financial situation but it costs him more to go out ...
How much do you eat per day though, and how many in a house
forest edge
it's irrelevant
umbral cliff
If you’re feeding a family of 5, 3 large meals a day then you’ll need to spend more food than 1 person eating 1.5 meals a day
$100 a month could cover plenty of veggies too for food
But if you want meat it’ll be more
forest edge
we barley break a 100 and that is ONLY if we spend it on junk food. if we were to just shop for home cooking it would be half that for far more
but again it's irrlevant.. his cost of living is way higher
to balance things out
umbral cliff
Does the $50 include meat then?
umbral cliff
but again it's irrlevant.. his cost of living is way higher
And wages would be higher too. And standard of living is higher
forest edge
would include anything you want, aside from junk food
umbral cliff
Like I still can’t believe the things that are allowed to take place in the USA. Like healthcare dependant on whether you keep your job, being able to be fired for no reason in an at will state, etc
It’s… interesting
forest edge
don't believe everything you read or see on tv
forest edge
well take that with a grain of salt too
people like to bitch without knowing wtf they talking about
umbral cliff
Healthcare requires insurance. Dependant on a job
At will state means fire with no reason. Means you can lose without doing anything wrong
forest edge
actually no, healthcare does not require insurance lol
umbral cliff
Both of those sound horrible
forest edge
and the fire thing is wrong too
umbral cliff
actually no, healthcare does not require insurance lol
How much is a single doctor visit
umbral cliff
depends on the doctor
On average then
umbral cliff
and the fire thing is wrong too
How is it wrong?
https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/at-will-employment-overview.aspx
At-will means that an employer can terminate an employee at any time for any reason, except an illegal one, or for no reason without incurring legal liability.
umbral cliff
maybe 100 bucks
Ouch though. I prefer free for all, or if you want a private one $50 capped
forest edge
did you even read what you just linked? lol
umbral cliff
I quoted the important part. That employers can cancel work for no reason
Compared to actually having a reason you’re not fit for the job
forest edge
it's not that simple
forest edge
well context can be a bitch.. back to refering to your friends bitching about stuff in the US llol
the US isn't nearly as bad as people want to make it out to be.. we are not perfect no one says we are and greed does drive a lot of horrible shit but it's not as bad as people like to make it out to be
there are ways to address everything that we see wrong, it's just alot of people don't want to put the work forth to do it
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there are ways to address everything that we see wrong, it's just alot of people...
Governments should be legislating it then
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In its unadulterated form, the U.S. at-will rule leaves employees vulnerable to arbitrary and sudden dismissal, a limited or on-call work schedule depending on the employer’s needs, and unannounced cuts in pay and benefits.
Yeah that sounds great
forest edge
just like atx being lazy, people are lazy here too
umbral cliff
Though the other big issue is healthcare. You should be able to call an ambulance, go to hospital, have surgery, and pay next to nothing without insurance
That should be legislated too
forest edge
"The term at-will employment is a legal term meaning that an employer can terminate an employee for any reason without warning. However, an employer cannot fire an employee if the reason for doing so is illegal or discriminatory, such as firing someone because of their gender, race, or religion." as i said, context
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"The term at-will employment is a legal term meaning that an employer can termin...
But if you don’t have to give reason then you could just fire someone for not liking them (and in reality not like that they’re gay, Muslim, etc)
forest edge
Though the other big issue is healthcare. You should be able to call an ambulanc...
no country has that.. everyone pays in some form or another
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no country has that.. everyone pays in some form or another
Including the USA. You guys spend more than australia on healthcare per capita
Yet you don’t get any benefits
forest edge
curious how you became such an expert on the USA
it's almost getting to the point Tinkerer will need to step in lol
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Also if you don’t have income you’re not paying taxes and so healthcare is free
umbral cliff
curious how you became such an expert on the USA
Only stating some very common knowledge stuff
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https://healthcarechannel.co/opinion-australian-healthcare-vs-us-healthcare/
Specifically, the average health spending per person per year in the USA in 2016 was $9,892. You can compare this to only $4,708 in Australia
forest edge
anything can be made out bad or good soley dependent on context. without knowing the bigger picture you can't possibly judge something fairly. Hell I hate our healthcare system but i'm not so naive to be blinded by the facts
just because we have some trade off's in areas that differ from your own dosen't make one worse than the other.. our healthcare system is actually pretty advanced considering.. thus why we pay more
you say we don't get the benefits but we do
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you say we don't get the benefits but we do
You can have good quality healthcare and cheap healthcare. We have that here. Plenty of US doctors too because pay is very good here
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Anyway imma head out. We’re going around in circles
jade tartan
im trying to get that OT
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im trying to get that OT
Good luck
jade tartan
today was 1st day
from what i gather we do the access control, cameras, and other random IOT things
like clocks
and phones
jade tartan
i cant wait for that 1st full paycheck
buying a new car i think, sick of dealing with my shitbox
umbral cliff
wtf is cheap insurance in au? a witchdoctor?
Cheap insurance? We don’t need insurance for health. But if you want it you can get private health (or it’ll cover stuff like dental, or glasses, etc)
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buying a new car i think, sick of dealing with my shitbox
What are you thinking of?
jade tartan
depends, if i can find the right one, and swing it, a like 2014 ish bmw 335
maybe manual if i can find one
but maybe not because it a commuter car to work for me
so
the zf8 is a very good automatic
the other option is to fix my current old bmw but i kinda want something new
end of january i should have a full paycheck to go to the bank with and say this is my normal pay, give me a loan
forest edge
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the other option is to fix my current old bmw but i kinda want something new
What’s your current one?
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<@!137144563109330944><http://sites.gsu.edu/gsuglobalhealth/2021/02/15/similarit...
From my personal experience with both countries, I conclude that Australia’s Health system is better
Yep sounds about right
forest edge
I didn't know the population of au was only 25 mil
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(Also the waiting for specialists isn’t usually that long. I needed a dermatological specialist, got an appointment within 2-3 weeks mid lockdown)
umbral cliff
I didn't know the population of au was only 25 mil
Think about 26 mil now but yeah
We’re tiny
jade tartan
is your want of a new vehicle controversal?
umbral cliff
One of the lowest population densities in the world
jade tartan
lol
scenic radish
I'd kind of like a different car, but it's almost a game at this point to get my money's worth out of my current one that I've had for 6+ years
forest edge
and thus why you can do certian changes
umbral cliff
94 325is
Oooh very nice. I’ve got a 2000 318i and I love it but it gives me the shits sometimes
forest edge
but you actually pay a whole lot more for cost of living then we do on average
scenic radish
Also, I used to like cars more but now I kind of just see it as an appliance
umbral cliff
and thus why you can do certian changes
Remember the magical word per capita. Things scale
forest edge
car as an appliance?
forest edge
Remember the magical word per capita. Things scale
no that is not true
umbral cliff
but you actually pay a whole lot more for cost of living then we do on average
And yeah. We get screwed being so far away from the rest of the world. Tech usually expensive, food is usually decently cheap though
Given we grow a lot of stuff locally
forest edge
certian things may scale but if you include the whole picture it does not scale
jade tartan
Oooh very nice. I’ve got a 2000 318i and I love it but it gives me the shits som...
is that still e36? you in US?
jade tartan
oh word! we never got an e46 with anything other then the m54 iirc
maybe the n52 in late years idr
scenic radish
Try not to be jealous, but I have a 2012 Scion tC
forest edge
always knew you were a gerbil
scenic radish
Not the boxy one fool
umbral cliff
oh word! we never got an e46 with anything other then the m54 iirc
Yeah the USA only got the 6 cyl but European countries (+ Australia) got the 4cyl.
Don’t need power so don’t mind about it lol
scenic radish
Also, I think that's the kia soul with the hamsters lol
forest edge
maybe they are hamsters lol
jade tartan
rodents
umbral cliff
Pretty efficient though, did a 700km road trip the other day, 3/4 a tank or so each way. 7.7L/100km for a 21 year old car isn’t bad
scenic radish
How many eagles per inch is that
jade tartan
half being highway
umbral cliff
How many eagles per inch is that
30.5mpg = 7.7L/100km
Including city traffic each end
scenic radish
Pretty good, yeah
jade tartan
if i have to go more frugal with car, ive been looking at a like 2013 ish ford escape titanium
forest edge
eletric cars do those ranges now
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eletric cars do those ranges now
Issue with electric cars is chargers
jade tartan
and winter
forest edge
not here, not anymore
jade tartan
i live in NY
forest edge
chargers are everywhere lol
umbral cliff
Do batteries like 40c? If not summer here probably not good either lol
jade tartan
lol
umbral cliff
chargers are everywhere lol
Here they’re missing in the cities. But then you have to add a lot of time to charge enroute too
forest edge
What I wonder though: is it safe to wash electric cars?
yes as long as your sneakers have rubber soles
jade tartan
and you use a rubber gloves
scenic radish
Ah, good to know