the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

EU attempting to set the standard on what something means.. typical

you guys don't even know what a cookie is

[clear ferry]

@last cedar also, fuck the Gothenburg concert hall setting in the Volvo

[glacial knot]

What? Is that an equalizer/effect-modifier?

[clear ferry]

https://www.thedrive.com/article/6500/the-gothenburg-symphony-orchestra-through-volvos-bower-wilkins-sound-system

€3500 upgrade

[forest edge]

you listen to that while driving?

[clear ferry]

I listen to music yes

[forest edge]

listen to this on that setting https://youtu.be/X53ZSxkQ3Ho

[clear ferry]

Pass

[forest edge]

this explains alot.. you just have no taste lol

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/inigo-montoia-gif-18400351

[simple reef]

Can someone recommend me a 230v relais with dimmer function and zigbee compatability that I can hide in the cover of my ceiling lamp to make it smart? Preferably available in Europe.

[clear ferry]

Sounds like #hardware-archived

Or even #zigbee-archived

[simple reef]

Sorry, will crosspost

[strange crag]

while this is a container issue it doesnt belong in HA container. I get this message when trying to bring up another container
docker-compose -f sftp.yaml up -d
Creating network "pi_default" with the default driver
WARNING: Found orphan containers (homeassistant) for this project. If you removed or renamed this service in your compose file, you can run this command with the --remove-orphans flag to clean it up.
If I then do a docker-compose --remove-orphans -f ......... then it dumps the docker compose help and there is nothing in the help for remove-orphans. So did this option get deprecated, but someone stuffed up and forgot to remove the error message? If this is the case then how do I now avoid the error message other than by using a docker command line rather than a docker-compose line?

[clear ferry]

Shouldn't specify a file for that afaik

I have orphans all the time

Because i have five different compose files

Never remove them

[strange crag]

hmm then how is it supposed to know which file contains the orphans if you dont specify?

[clear ferry]

They are orphans because your current file didn't contain them

[strange crag]

hmm I stuck the orphans on the end of the line and spun up the container and it worked, but it had a nasty side effect of taking down my ha container

[clear ferry]

Sounds like layer 8

[strange crag]

sounds like a bug!

[clear ferry]

[strange crag]

another question - they say Use docker-compose instead of those great long docker command lines, but as far as I can see in docker-compose you cant specify a container name. It takes the name from the current directory. Which means cd'ing before running the command - or am I incorrect?

[clear ferry]

Sure you can

name: if memory serves right

[strange crag]

well looking thru the docker online docs I cant find much in the way of docker-compose file examples and the ones I did find didnt have a name. I will have another search and give that a try - might be quicker than a search lol

[clear ferry]

Check my GitHub

I have all my compose files there

[velvet horizon]

You can find his config lurking in the darkness.

Command '.atxbyea' was invoked by: atxbyea

[scenic radish]

It's container_name

[strange crag]

yeah - I just saw that - thanks to both of you

so what you are saying atx is that if you use multiple compose files then you will get this error all the time and the only way around it is to stick everything in the one big compose file and bring them all up and down together - doesnt sound very user friendly for an organisation that would normally separate different functions now does it?

[clever mortar]

It's pretty atypical to have multiple compose files on a single host

[strange crag]

there is another way around it - use a bash script that calls the compose file

[clear ferry]

I'm very atypical

I have 30ish containers with different purposes

[clever mortar]

Yeah, but you're not normal

[clear ferry]

So I group them together

[clever mortar]

Also, you know what you're doing

[strange crag]

hmmm I guess you could be right, but then why have a container system if you are only going to run 1 multi container app per server? I thought the idea of containerisation would be to run multiple sets of stuff on it and only bring down the set yyou wanted and not the whole server?

[clear ferry]

I do?

Fuck

[clever mortar]

What, on earth, makes you think that the only use for a compose file is for a multi-container app?

[strange crag]

well it would be the main use I guess. But I am sure you can find other uses for it lol

[clever mortar]

🤔

[strange crag]

it alleviates the long docker cmmand line for even a 1 container app, but much better for multi container apps

[clever mortar]

Or just multiple containers

[clear ferry]

Now let's bring in pods

[strange crag]

if they all need to go up and down together - then I would call that a multi-container app. If it doesnt matter if they all go up and down together, but you still do - then I call that personal preference and not business related

[clear ferry]

That is more of what you are looking for @strange crag

[strange crag]

pods are a chocolate filled sweet arent they? lol

[clear ferry]

Not exactly

[glacial knot]

is that where the tide pod thing came from?

[clear ferry]

Kubernetes baby

[strange crag]

yeah - I know kubernetes is the next step up from compose, but we arent likely to ever be there lol

my next step up might have been portainer, but I hear the experts here are against it. Guess it conflicts with ha

[clever mortar]

Nah, more that it does stupid things

[strange crag]

examples would be nice?

[clever mortar]

Caching the entrypoints for images, for example

So if you change the entrypoint it doesn't care and keeps calling the old one

[strange crag]

ok I can understand that would be a problem if I knew what an entry point was lol

[clever mortar]

It's a Docker thing 😛

[strange crag]

to me you just start the container and its running - dont understand the entry point stuff - sorry

[clever mortar]

Time to learn how to build images then

Because it's quite important - when you start the container what runs?

https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/#cmd
https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/#entrypoint
(etc)

[strange crag]

yeah - I might have to - I found an image that I would like to run, but it seems stuffed somehow so I either notify the creator and wait for them to fix it or I bite the bullet and do it myself

[clear ferry]

Just make your own

[clever mortar]

I learned to build my own as part of learning how to run containers, which is probably a bit backwards

[clear ferry]

It's a great way to understand the fundamentals

[strange crag]

from what I can see from those references above it would mean that you have multi app containers and not multi container apps. Ie 1 container has more than 1 app in it and a diff entry point starts a different app. I see that being useful for a "utility or tool" container. Something like I have 1 usb stick with multiple o/s's on it that do various things like devirusing windows pc, recovering data, pen testing, or even as a basic desktop.

[clever mortar]

No

The entrypoint or command is what runs when you start the container

[strange crag]

so why would you have multiple entry points? Or am I missing the point and its only relative to container creation and setting up the one app to run in that container?

[clever mortar]

Without an entrypoint how on earth is the system going to know what to run?

[strange crag]

ok its the latter - I get it now - thanks

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/eclipse/mosquitto/blob/master/docker/1.5/Dockerfile#L95,L96

For example

[scenic radish]

btw, it's not all or nothing with bringing containers up in a compose file with multiple services

you can specify which container(s) to actually bring up/down

if you don't specify, then all of them go up/down

[strange crag]

but that would mean separate compose files wouldnt it?

[scenic radish]

nope

[clever mortar]

docker compose up -d home-assistant

That only brings up that container

[strange crag]

that all boils down to the last 4 lines, however what is in the docker-entrypoint.sh?

[clever mortar]

This is all explained in the fine manual for Docker Compose

[clever mortar]

Why not have a look yourself?

I mean, it's in the same repo...

[strange crag]

I have been looking

oh - ok missed that hang on

[forest edge]

ok I get why they started putting controls on the very top of the dishwasher door so that the front face looks "cleaner" or whatever.. but why the hell do they put a display up there too? wtf is the point of a display you cannot see!?

[strange crag]

you need a see thru bench top - they are all the rage!! lol

[forest edge]

we just got a new dishwasher and it has a display on the top of the door and it drives me nuts cause I can see the display lit up when I walk into the kitchen but cannot see what it says cause it's under the countertop

[strange crag]

yeah not designed very well - no forethought and planning on the part of the original designer.

[turbid stirrup]

Why did you buy that one then? XD

[forest edge]

cause the one that had the controls on the front was super cheap

[scenic radish]

TIL there are only two dishwashers in existence

[clever mortar]

You, and the good lady?

[scenic radish]

Actually with today's supply chain issues, that might be true

[forest edge]

we only had to wait a few weeks for the dishwasher but the dryer we ordered won't come till 2022 lol

[young sigil]

What is it about dishwashers? YouTube recommended this to me tonight: https://youtu.be/DFbmjqBm5f0

[forest edge]

that is actually good video

except I don't agree with bosch being the best dishwasher

[glacial knot]

Get a Siemens then /shrug

[young sigil]

I wasn't really watching but thought it was "best available considering supply issues".

[glacial knot]

Nah. He says that two of the best (Miele/Bosch) have supply chain issues

[clear ferry]

In Missouri, that might be fact

Because only businesses buy commercial products anyway

[glacial knot]

😂

and cars aren't commercial /shrug

[forest edge]

keep reaching for those straws 🤣

[clear ferry]

Long peak is long @last cedar

[last cedar]

3 years

[last cedar]

Thanks for the warning!

That is super expensive for Norway

[clear ferry]

Curious if that will pay off or not

[clear ferry]

I did mean fucking love

[last cedar]

I am 99% sure it will

I was very aprehensive, but it looks like a solid job

We are not going to build more nuclear and we need more electric for cars

And as the duty for fuel goes away, I am 99% sure we will get insane electric taxes here

We like to take on the worlds problems and let our small population pay for it

[clear ferry]

Best fastpris i can find now is 78øre, but it's 60 months

[last cedar]

People are happy to remortgage their house to buy and electric car, because it is the right thing to do

[clear ferry]

12 months would be 101øre

[glacial knot]

I don't have a good place to charge at home or work 😦

[clear ferry]

I can charge for free at work, I charge at home currently, but I have hybrid still

I might get a full EV when I replace the v70

So in 5 years

[last cedar]

You missed the boat @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/missed-the-boat-gif-17989266

I just want price to go down to 3øre again

[last cedar]

Yupp!!!

[glacial knot]

I'll get a hybrid. And hopefully a house by the time that's up for replacing

[last cedar]

Average price was 0,84 per kwH

Mine is fixed 0,6325

Mine is with vat, pretty sure it is 0,84 without vat

Either way, I don't use a lot. With hybrid charging I will be under 30kWh a day

[low harness]

We're at .35 SEK.

Man. I put one of those old rust-spinner thingies in my computer to put VM drives on... and I forgot how ridiculously loud those things are!

[turbid stirrup]

I got a car I could integrate to HA. Happens to be EV :)

We're at EUR0.23/kWh here. Luckily car charging is included in the lease no matter if at home or elsewhere.

[finite atlas]

lucky you with your cheap electricity price

[clear ferry]

Spinning rust 🤢

You should have seen our €0.003 @finite atlas

[finite atlas]

sush

dont give me more reasons to get my life back together and move to a nordic country

[static schooner]

BTW, Roman is going down

[finite atlas]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/12/06/3a2abfcd170f6c2a.jpg

[clear ferry]

Times new?

[static schooner]

for...unsolicited dick pics

[clear ferry]

Unsolicited disk pics you say

https://c.tenor.com/jwd5KUr5QzcAAAAM/anime-diskette.gif

Will be fun tomorrow, they are expecting 80cm snow in southern Norway

And we are probably introducing new lockdowns

[finite atlas]

due to heavy snow?

[clear ferry]

No, due to Omicron

[finite atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/893110336759160874.png

[orchid rose]

We're about to hit 1€/kWh peak price in Finland. My current contract has me paying 0.0399€ though so I'm fine. As long as the company doesn't go bankrupt, one already did

[clear ferry]

Yeah we've had €0.7 peaks so far

[last cedar]

I wouldn't be suprised if lota go bandcrupt

And a lot fake bankrupsy to get out of these contracts

I have mine with the local network providor, Vattenfall, so they won't be going anywhere (I hope!)

[clear ferry]

Vattenfall has been around forever afaik

[finite atlas]

why is it so high tho?

[strange crag]

@finite atlas because we are coming to the end of an era. The end of centralized infrastructure and the beginning of decentralized power generation and while they brought it on themselves by gouging the public, it does tend to go in cycles. But now with good, relatively cheap solar/wind power and powerwall type batteries the time has come where each house can be self sufficient in power. So in the meantime the power companies are gouging more to try to stay afloat. They have huge expenses in infrastructure to maintain with a dwindling income.

you are better off disconnecting from the grid and be done with it.

[finite atlas]

in which country do you live?

[strange crag]

Australia mate!

[bitter pawn]

Do you wrestle alligators and box kangaroos daily?

[finite atlas]

and get your house raided by mice?

[rapid tendon]

So, i'm a bit bored, show me some cool stuff y'all have been doing with homeassistant

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-monkey-dance-monkey-dance-puppet-my-puppet-dance-moves-gif-16800192

[terse stag]

@rapid tendon inspired by: https://www.hackster.io/colinodell/diy-alarm-control-panel-for-home-assistant-ac1813
got a pi 2 zero with a hyperpixel 4 touchscreen; will eventually wall mount it as an alarm control panel

@young sigil bosch is practically sold out everywhere in the u.s.--I was lucky to buy one last month but am still waiting on delivery/install

[last cedar]

Tshirt weather

[turbid stirrup]

We use gas for heating though... Prices just went up by between 50% to 200%
Luckily I have Vattenfall and it only went to €1,25/m3 rather than Eneco somewhere around €1,85/m3
Even so it's going to cost thousands...

[rapid tendon]

hell yeah that looks slick!

[fallow karma]

We're at 0.15€/kWh . BUT average monthly wages in EU are about 2,9K € while here in Poland it's 0,9

[last cedar]

We are lucky having pellets here. Have a sawmill in the little village. Pallets are 832Kg

[clear ferry]

hides in Norwegian wages

[last cedar]

Poland has it rough tbh

I need to learn the language, I have relatives there

[clear ferry]

Kurwa

All you need to know

[last cedar]

No, I can't just go around saying that

[clear ferry]

Can be used as a greeting, goodbye, pick-up line, more

[last cedar]

I will be arrested

[clear ferry]

Then every pole should be arrested every five minutes

[fallow karma]

https://youtu.be/2-0Tw-bg-6s

[last cedar]

Tyvm

[fallow karma]

That's not enough , you need also "ty chuju" (pronunciation : tea who you) google that 😆

Or "ty chuju jebany" (tea who you yeah bunny)

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[forest edge]

just speak english. it's easier

[fallow karma]

Nope. There are millions of tenses

[forest edge]

just avoid the british english and you will be good

[fallow karma]

Present, less present , slightly past more past , paster , the pastest

[last cedar]

Don't forget to talk with tea in your mouth

[forest edge]

we don't use paster and pastest lol

[last cedar]

For added authenticity

[fallow karma]

We do it with pierogi in mouth

https://youtu.be/ek_HxsKT3zI

[forest edge]

tea and crumpets is a euro thing. american english forbids trying to simulate the stiff english of the british

[clear ferry]

But English is so boring

ぽランドすごい

@last cedar diz U?

https://i.redd.it/r6h2ggoqt0481.jpg

[forest edge]

said noone ever

[last cedar]

Oh damn

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrow-sexy-flirt-gif-6116268

[clear ferry]

みちぇる

[fallow karma]

P1800 combi?

[last cedar]

Wait, there is a car in the pic?

[midnight adder]

hey, new to both discord and home-assistant, why is it I cant attach a screenshot in the support channel? Is there is grace period for new users or something?

[clear ferry]

No

You aren't supposed to

[velvet horizon]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

Command '.images' was invoked by: atxbyea

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://hastebin.com/ (sometimes may not allow you to save)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

Command '.share' was invoked by: atxbyea

[midnight adder]

I see, thanks for the quick respose..

test image share https://imgur.com/OUsyh0G

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kummeli-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-12348671

[turbid stirrup]

British English is the tensest
Stiff upper lip

[glacial knot]

Temsest 😉

Flows like a river

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/david-duchovny-luke-wilson-buck-teeth-yokel-x-files-gif-11371552

[orchid rose]

We can thank the French for that. Ordered a nuclear plant from them in 2002-3 that was due to open in 2009. It still hasn't opened. So we rely heavily on energy imports from Sweden and Russia, increasing prices everywhere in the region. Also global energy crisis doesn't help. That was caused by Covid-19, bad forecasts, co2 taxes etc

[finite atlas]

you should have just went for wind and solar

and use the excess energy during summer to create hydrogen and use that to create heat for homes during winter

[orchid rose]

Half the population here already uses district heating which is mostly excess heat and as such basically free. Wind isn't very reliable around here and solar is less efficient than in most of Europe or especially the US

[finite atlas]

i know

[orchid rose]

hydrogen conversion isn't very energy efficient iirc?

[finite atlas]

into electricity, no it isnt

but if you have excess energy from wind and solar, that couldnt be used otherwise, its free

[orchid rose]

We can store some in hydro

[low harness]

A good way to explain this to Americans is to say that south Finland is as far north as Anchorage.

That at least makes the sun situation very clear.

[finite atlas]

the thing with solar however is, you can put it nearly anywhere and those panels last pretty much forever if you dont care about how efficient they are

[orchid rose]

sun sets here in 45 minutes, at 14:13PM

[finite atlas]

its not the solution, but it can be a helping hand

[low harness]

Every bit helps. But it takes a while to pay off.

[orchid rose]

On hydrogen conversion

The technology to convert power to hydrogen and back to power has a round-trip efficiency of 18%-46%, according to data that Flora presented from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and scientific journal Nature Energy. In comparison, two mature long-duration technologies, pumped-storage hydropower and compressed air energy storage, boast round-trip efficiencies of 70%-85% and 42%-67%, respectively. Flow batteries, a rechargeable fuel cell technology that is less mature, have a round-trip efficiency of 60%-80%.
18% yikes

[finite atlas]

yeah, the roundtrip efficiency is about 30%

hence why i suggest to just burn hydrogen directly instead of converting it into electricity

because most electricity is used to create heat anyway

[orchid rose]

that should be slightly more efficient but still we would be better off using the hydropower capacity to store it instead. But some of that energy is very seasonal as well

[finite atlas]

you cant store everything into hydropower tho, the capacity is limited

another benefit of hydrogen is, that you can create it very easily and cheap with electricity, storing isnt that hard either for grid scale levels and if it leaks, its not very harmful for the environment either, just dangerous

[orchid rose]

Germany and recently the UK have been pushing for hydrogen, but I haven't read about it enough to have an informed opinion

[finite atlas]

yeah but mostly for cars, where its very unpractical to do + it will most likely be "blue" hydrogen aka dirty hydrogen, made from gas / oil which is more harmful than burning either directly

[orchid rose]

In Germany yeah probably. UK Had some sort of plan for an offshore windfarm that does what you suggested. I don't know how far along that is

[finite atlas]

uh neat

[strange crag]

does Finland have geothermal energy?

To buy and install solar panels in a country that far north (or south) is impractical as payback times would likely be measured in decades. Also snow and ice may damage them too.

Wind and wave energy would probably be more efficient

[orchid rose]

No geothermal. Actually solar isn't as bad around here as people might think. It's just very seasonal. But we get a lot less cloud cover than most of Europe thanks to the scandi mountains

It's not great, don't get me wrong lol

[cloud notch]

Yeah, I think solar works decently.. Waves aren't really that useful since Finland is quite sheltered and the sea is reasonably timid when compared to bigger oceans

[strange crag]

but yoiu also have a large coastline that could harvest wave energy. I hear the ocean is pretty severe up there.

[orchid rose]

the sea freezes as well so that's something to keep in mind

[strange crag]

my bad - didnt see that post till I hit enter lol

[cloud notch]

There is a decent bit of wind energy, but hydroelectric is a thing since we have plenty of moving water around

[orchid rose]

Wiki has an image on the solar potential, but they cut us away from it lmao

[strange crag]

I thought it froze!?

[orchid rose]

moving water doesn't freeze

[cloud notch]

Waves are different than hydroelectric. There are no waves when ocean is frozen over, but rivers don't freeze solid

And there isn't enough movement for doing tidal power either 😦

[strange crag]

so why do streams and even rivers freeze?

[orchid rose]

well the top layer does

The bigger and stronger the stream the less likely that is as well

[strange crag]

OK then the only 3 options left are chemical, nuclear or satellite. Actually there might be a fourth option - infra red "solar" panels. They work even when its dark.

OTOH youi could always move here - plenty of sunlight 😉

[orchid rose]

we like the dark

[cloud notch]

Dark is good 😄

[strange crag]

so infra red it is then lol

[cloud notch]

Says someone who hasn't lived in Finland for 5 years now 😛

[strange crag]

well actually there is infra red and spss (satellite)

Do you live underground in Finland? - would be more efficient as far as energy costs are concerned.

or is there permafrost>?

[cloud notch]

I think there are some houses that are built underground, but generally it's just cheaper and more efficient to build above ground

No permafrost, but solid bedrock, which makes construction rather cumbersome

[strange crag]

ahh bugger

[finite atlas]

https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP

there you go, a decent map with solar stats

its actually from the EU government

especially during the peak months, its not that bad in finnland

[orchid rose]

so if I'm reading that right, we get more solar energy in the summer than most of Europe. If only summer was when we needed it lol

[finite atlas]

thats the issue with solar energy, storage

hence my suggestion to use the power to create hydrogen, store it and burn it for heat when needed

[strange crag]

but I thought hydrogen fuel cells were more efficient and easier to store without going bang.

[finite atlas]

hydrogen cells dont store hydrogen nor oxygen

they convert it into electricity

[strange crag]

ok fair enuff, but thats the ultimate goal anyway - to produce electrical power

[finite atlas]

however, they are super expensive (about 10-20€ per 1 Watt) and the roundtrip efficiency is only about 30%

[strange crag]

I thought it was much higher than that. I was under the impression that if you wanted to burn hydrogen in an internal combustion engine then that 30% is about the amount of energy you could expect IF you could get the internal combustion engine to run on hydrogen

[finite atlas]

there are ways to increase efficiency, but those increase the cost of the components needed by a lot for just a couple %

[strange crag]

better off to get the engine to run on water - have to get the design from the patent office tho - been buried there for many years lol

[finite atlas]

i'm talking about the electricity grid / heating grid and not cars tho

[strange crag]

well if yoiu built an engine that ran on water and you could build it big enough then you could drive dynamos with it to produce power.

[finite atlas]

how the heck would an engine run on water?

like old steam locomotives with something to burn?

[strange crag]

nope - it was definitely not that. But it was quickly hushed up by those that could see its potential in disrupting the status quo. Ie oil companies.

[finite atlas]

suure

[strange crag]

there was a working prototype

[finite atlas]

there are "working prototypes" of "free energy" devices as well

or even perpetuum mobile

[strange crag]

Its a bit like Tesla's free power via wifi. It was blown up/destroyed totally, because the power companies (probably Edison) couldnt see how to charge customers for it and could see that they would be out of business.

Thats Nikola Tesla

[finite atlas]

oooh you're talking about that bs

well let me explain physics for you
energy exists in many forms, you can convert one energy type into another, but you cant create energy out of nothing

[strange crag]

He wasnt. And yes you cant create power out of nothing. But you can send power thru the air wirelessly.

[finite atlas]

yes

[strange crag]

and as yoiu go up thru the atmosphere there is a varying gradient of voltage. Very small, but I bet you didnt know that existed either.

[finite atlas]

thats how transformeators work, your wireless phone charger and radio

[strange crag]

so why couldnt Tesla have invented it? He was a very smart bloke way ahead of his time.

[finite atlas]

he was smart yes, but just as many theories, they dont have to be true

electricity can be transmitted trough air, with plenty of losses

if you want to, you could just take a wire and wind it around your exsisting AC line and pull energy from it, without being directly attached to it, the electricity however must still be created somewhere, for example with a power plant

[strange crag]

I agree we are getting into the conspiracy theory area, but it is still a possibility and is it a coincidence that it was blown up and all records destroyed on the eve of publicity?

[finite atlas]

you're already in the conspiracy theory area

nikola tesla was poor and many people labled him as crazy and irrational, hence why nobody cared about keeping his stuff

[strange crag]

There is of course solar powered satellite systems. Collecting huge amounts of power in space and transmitting it to earth. All you need to pick up the power is lots of parallel wires run horizontally.

[finite atlas]

have fun transmitting it to earth effectivly

[strange crag]

yes he was poor and possibly crazy - but that is the hallmark of lots of intelligent people. Also tagging him with the crazy tag makes it easier to discredit him later.

yeah I was thinkiing about the transmission. Cant remember if they were in Leo or in Geo orbit.

Tesla may have been crazy, or he may have been on the spectrum or like a lot of us just not very socially accepted.

remember this was back in the days where you were either a peasant or high class and not much between. If you couldnt influence the high class then you were a nobody.

[finite atlas]

exactly, so dont turn this into a conspiracy that the people discredited him because his inventions were too good and would have ruined other industries financial income

[strange crag]

but what better conspiracies are there than the discreditation of poor inventors to benefit the high and mighty?

😉

[finite atlas]

if you have a solution to help the energy crisis, that can be put into reality within a short period of time, feel free to share it

[strange crag]

well I did try - and then I got distracted lol

[finite atlas]

feel free to continue then

[strange crag]

Well brainstorming is where you toss in ideas remotely connected with the topic in the hope that something will be able to put the pieces together into a plan.
That said then since solar, wind, and wave are considered marginal and geothermal is zero, then that only ( as far as I can figure) leaves only coal or gas fired, nuclear and hydropower. Coal and gas are frowned on, but nuclear apparently has some new twist that makes it much nicer these days that it used to be. But since you have lots of water that is probably the best way to go, with nuclear a 2nd

[young sigil]

Pretty sure the plan was to use the space between the ionosphere and earth as a resonant cavity (though He did not know that, just the "resonant frequency of the Earth" (8Hz IIRC). Unfortunately he also did not completely understand the attenuation due to distance squared.

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/33wXI9NqJ0fX1JhOJqCPAw?si=mkFh4g8ESIiobL0TY6-tPQ&utm_source=copy-link

[finite atlas]

xDD

[young sigil]

Also people lose their minds about milliwatt cell towers and wifi. Imagine the fuss about a gigawatt electrical field.

[strange crag]

that causes covid - right? lol

[finite atlas]

oh good lord, luckily they dont know how analoge radio stations work

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/4Kb0mwg5znsAAAAM/red-alert-tesla-coil.gif

[strange crag]

analogue - oh how sequential of you!

[young sigil]

5G? Yes absolutely. It's worse than that though. https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/26/bofh_2021_episode_21/

[finite atlas]

i dont want to read it

i already loose enough brain cells daily

[clear ferry]

Elreg

[strange crag]

stop drinking oberfail lol

[finite atlas]

no water or tea for me from now on, alright

[strange crag]

yeah -0 just alcohol 😉

[clear ferry]

Whatever a Finn tells you, do not accept a glass of Lakka Light

[strange crag]

no chance of that mate!

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose

[finite atlas]

why not?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/finland-satw-knife-sharpening-a-knife-gif-5236726

[finite atlas]

does it taste that bad?

[clear ferry]

It's horrible and i lost two days in Finland

Woke up in a sauna

[finite atlas]

neat

[strange crag]

not going to any cold countries - so unless a Finn comes here its highly unlikely lol

[finite atlas]

do you wanna invite me @clear ferry ?

i love the cold

[clear ferry]

9

[finite atlas]

):

[young sigil]

It's comedy.

[clear ferry]

Sprichen du Deutsch

[finite atlas]

Da

ja magu goworit ponemetzki

[clear ferry]

Super, ich bin ganz geil

[finite atlas]

me too mate, me too

but if you're really horny, i'd rather not come to visit you

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-got-iwan-rheon-ramsay-bolton-sausage-gif-5435457

[finite atlas]

:]

[clear ferry]

Also

[finite atlas]

neat

[young sigil]

I did a whole two years of Japanese in High School. I can't even remember how to say "I am going to the pool".

[clear ferry]

だいじょぶですか。とむさん

[finite atlas]

gesundheit

Geht es Ihnen gut? Herr Tomu

[clear ferry]

はいおぶるふぁいる

[finite atlas]

good night i guess

[glacial knot]

プロに行く

[glacial knot]

I don’t get that one

[clear ferry]

Puru ni(something) Ku?

[clear ferry]

I tried I was gambling on Oberufairu

[clear ferry]

You know your parents are some pretentious fucks when you are named lykke-merlot - happiness-winegrapes

[orchid rose]

or drunk

[glacial knot]

ahh, use katakana for this kinda thing 😄

[glacial knot]

iku ~ to go

[orchid rose]

new Verge video?

UwU

[clear ferry]

[brisk glen]

https://www.evehome.com/en-us/eve-room

Thread yay

[finite atlas]

100 $
why not get an air purifier instead which does the same + filters the air for way less?

[brisk glen]

Because this will auto turn on the air purifier?

Show me one that auto kicks on for $100

Well let’s make it $200

[finite atlas]

was 85€

[brisk glen]

Link?

[finite atlas]

Xiaomi Mi Air Purifier 3H

works well for my usecase, can even be integrated into home assistant

[brisk glen]

Hmm, I Have to see if it does ha local only

I already have a old air purifier tho

Local pooling but might need a cloud account to get api key

[clear ferry]

Lulz, a fancy version of my Xiaomi VOC i see

[brisk glen]

Meh, I’ll stick with a dumb tower and a smart outlet

[finite atlas]

i mean, you dont need cloud connection

just put it into the auto setting via the button and call it a day

[brisk glen]

Yah but that thing is like 200 in the us

[finite atlas]

ouch

[brisk glen]

I can save $100

[finite atlas]

you could look it up on banggood or so

instead of getting it from a local supplier

[brisk glen]

Plus I can use this to trigger my AC fan

I have a high grade filter on there so it is always a plus

[clear ferry]

Air filters, what is this, addendum for water filters

Why murica so dirty

[finite atlas]

i have one so i dont have to clean my room every week

sucks the normal dust out of the air aswell, its pretty dust free

[clear ferry]

I vacuum the house once every two weeks, and that it with kids, roborock does the kitchen every night

Very little dust here, but we don't have carpeted floors

[brisk glen]

Texas… a lot of dust

I have to replace my filter every 2 weeks

[clear ferry]

Lol wtf

[finite atlas]

the heck

[brisk glen]

Plus it keeps the coils clean

[finite atlas]

i have the same filter since 3 years

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/alina-sanchez-fin-del-mundo-pandemia-arte-contemporáneo-feminismo-gif-19293006

[finite atlas]

xD

[clear ferry]

Damn murica

[finite atlas]

all i do is, clean out the filter i have with the big vacuum cleaner, but only once or twice a year

[brisk glen]

Now you see why I want an air monitor

[clear ferry]

I wash my heat pump filters every 30 days because it nags me

What is your VOC rating @brisk glen ?

[brisk glen]

Idk

All I see is a dirty ass filter every 2 months

[finite atlas]

clean it with your vacuum cleaner next time instead of throwing it away and getting a new filter

[brisk glen]

Does not work so well

[brisk glen]

If the frame was metal I would wash it

PM2.5 concentration in Houston air is currently 2.2 times above the WHO annual air quality guideline value

https://www.iqair.com/us/air-quality-map?lat=29.9011&lng=-95.3261&zoomLevel=10&placeId=6Y2a6fRfSqyrHBoMw

Plus when cooking there is no…. Stove vent in this apartment

[brisk glen]

Stupid American designs

[clear ferry]

Lol wtf no stove vents, what is this? 1923?

[brisk glen]

When cooking onions hurts your eyes

Yep

Welcome to one of the superpowers

[clear ferry]

Y'all living in a third world country

[brisk glen]

I think of it like a 2nd world county

[clear ferry]

Nah, they have stove tops in Africa

[brisk glen]

I have that as well at least

[terse stag]

Stove vents only serve to encourage indoor cooking; Houston mandates bbq cookouts, being part of Texas

[brisk glen]

But I need a good soup 🍜

[clear ferry]

Outdoor cooking

Laughs in -30c

Oh no, Texas, don't collapse the power grid

[brisk glen]

Too late

[finite atlas]

at least they have electricity, many poor countries dont

[brisk glen]

Sometimes

It goes out in the summer and winter apparently

[finite atlas]

when peak loads hit

if thats an issue for you, you might want to look into getting a power wall or so

[brisk glen]

See apartment

[finite atlas]

oh ._.

[brisk glen]

Yah.. and housing prices keep going up

[clear ferry]

Apartment 🤢

[wise cypress]

<@&330946878646517761> @midnight adder user ID 455172853998944266 on this server attempting to phish steam accounts

[brisk glen]

what a nice tag

[silver elk]

Wow @midnight adder is trying scam in dms right now

[brisk glen]

it would be a shame if..

[silver elk]

Yea

ban plx 😄

[serene mortar]

banned

[silver elk]

getting so realistic these days 😄

[scenic radish]

Lol that stupid scam

AGAIN

[wise cypress]

It's a known phish method fyi, they've been using same tactic for months

For anyone that's never seen it. Just social engineering

[silver elk]

couldnt make sense of it, like at all

MrMatt, your casual steam support, on discord XD

[finite atlas]

simple solution: just dont bind your steam account to your discord account

[clear ferry]

Lol steam

I was logged in there a few years ago

[orchid rose]

Embrace the inner gamer

Going to get a new cooler tomorrow and after that move it to the new case. Maybe I'll send you some sexy ❤️ 💚 💙 pics

[clear ferry]

🤢

[low harness]

Wow. The Linux Mint forums are terrible. "What's the easiest way to upgrade my kernel from 5.4 to 5.10?" "Well, your the genijus who decided you need an upgrade, you figure it out."

[clear ferry]

Mint, lol

[low harness]

And yes, I am judging an entire online community from one forum thread.

[clear ferry]

Arch for people who don't know they are arch People

[low harness]

Nah, that's manjaro.

I uninstalled that over a translation error.

I just cannot go through life with a button in every single dialog saying "Värkställ".

[clear ferry]

Manjaro🤢

[violet sail]

Hi, sorry just looking to get into Home Assistant. What is the easiest way to get all my Home Kit and Homebridge accessories to show up in Home Assistant?

[clear ferry]

I'd guess the homekit integration

#ios_and_mac-archived will probably know

[low harness]

Or #integrations-archived

[violet sail]

thank you

[clear ferry]

@last cedar https://i.redd.it/p741li1766481.png

[last cedar]

I love it!

[finite atlas]

its wonderfull

[strange crag]

linux mint lost me when they dropped KDE as an option. Cinnamon is OK, but its just not KDE.

[finite atlas]

linux lost me, when it just dosnt work out of the box after promising less issues than windows

[burnt cave]

windows lost me when it rendered itself unbootable after updates multiple times and stopped supporting half my hardware

also wine runs old windows programs better than windows does these days it seems like

[umbral cliff]

I’ve never had windows break it’s install before. Had Linux remove the windows boot manager on a dual boot though rendering my windows install useless

[brisk glen]

macOS and wine

Get all worlds

[finite atlas]

xd

[strange crag]

windows wipes dual boot too. Linux has always been good in this respect and sets up happily in dual boot with a grub chainloader for windows.

[umbral cliff]

Grub happily wiped windows boot loader

Windows I’ve never had do that

[strange crag]

What about parallels?

[umbral cliff]

At most just make me use the bios to force change it

Grub/ Linux install properly nuked any sort of windows bootloader, was great given I had bitlocker on and grub can’t read that without windows boot loader

[strange crag]

windows has never worked with other operating systems in my experience. Alsways had to install windows and then install linux. If I did it the other way round there was only windows. In the early days there was a nice app that would allow you to reboot to the other o/s without have to manually select, but alas that no longer exists

ahh well never used bitlocker

[umbral cliff]

Windows still let me boot through selecting the drive in the bios

Linux basically wanted me to wipe my windows install

And it still might be a lost cause though, no tool detects a windows install on the drive

[strange crag]

it is interesting that you and I have had such opposing experiences in this regard.

[umbral cliff]

I installed windows 11 on the computer whilst there’s mint on the other drive. I still could boot it no problems. Then I installed manjaro and it wiped the boot loader off the windows drive

[glacial knot]

does windows even support chain loading into a different OS? I thought chaining only works from others into windows

[strange crag]

Linux obviously cant see windows cos its bitlocked. and windows cant see linux cos it refuses to add support for non windows filesystems

[umbral cliff]

Decrypted bitlocker thanks to magic commands but still no drive yet

[umbral cliff]

No it can see the drive. It won’t detect windows is there

[glacial knot]

the part that's relevant for booting isn't encrypted by bitlocker

[strange crag]

Correct

[umbral cliff]

Which is why it was nuked by Linux

[glacial knot]

you should check your ESP and maybe try to copy the content from a working installation

[glacial knot]

that makes no sense

[umbral cliff]

And the main windows drive is now decrypted but nothing detects it

[umbral cliff]

I have had bad experiences with Linux before. Like me managing to get apt on Ubuntu to delete every installed program. Including sudo and apt and the kernel

[glacial knot]

yea, apt does that

[strange crag]

maybe the test is for a windows file system and not a windows boot block. If that is the case then that would be a bug.

[glacial knot]

there's many installations without kernels around /shrug

as in, intentional

[umbral cliff]

Yeah apt did it on an apt upgrade

[strange crag]

welll you must just be a special child !! lol

[umbral cliff]

Linux and I don’t always work together

[glacial knot]

shouldn't if you haven't set it up to do so in some way. though I do read the "about to uninstall" list on every operation for similar experiences

[strange crag]

I only use windows for gaming - everything else is linux based.

[glacial knot]

I use a BSD derivative for gaming 🙂

[strange crag]

yeah - there is more mac support for gaming than linux at the moment

[umbral cliff]

I installed manjaro because a) wanted a challenge and b) wanted to try gaming on Linux. Except it nuked windows and now im stuffed for trying to get stuff done

[glacial knot]

I don't mean mac

and I disagree

[umbral cliff]

Because wine doesn’t support the programs I need

[strange crag]

@glacial knot well I am curious - if its not mac, then it must be real bsd and that has (AFAIK) less support for gaming than linux does?

[glacial knot]

A Nintendo Switch 😉

[strange crag]

and wine is limited in its windows support. Crossover may support more tho

[glacial knot]

I think PS also still runs BSD derivatives on their console

Proton is pretty good with games

[strange crag]

Nintendo 🤢

real gamers use pc's and keyboards! Not controllers 😉

[umbral cliff]

Nintendo is good on the go though

[strange crag]

so is my phone lol

[umbral cliff]

You can’t do Pokémon or Zelda on your phone though

Well not well

[strange crag]

um yes there is "pokemon go" for your phone

no idea on zelda

Hey Ongy - gonna come back and defend your poor choice in gaming plaform? <stirs the pot> lol

[glacial knot]

Why would I? If you want to be wrong, that's on you 😂

[strange crag]

Actually it will be kewl when they get pc gamers and console gamers on the same game with the same rules.

lol Ongy - good comeback!

[umbral cliff]

Well that’s incredibly different to actual Pokémon too 😂

[strange crag]

yeah - well I dont consider pokemon - of any flavour - as a real game, but I recognise that some people do. They just wont be playing against me 😉

[umbral cliff]

Everyone does game differently after all

[strange crag]

I do find it interesting that consoles have pretty much the equivalent graphic quality with hardware that is older than the required PC. This indicates to me that devs write 2 different graphic models - 1 for each platform. I have always thought that yoiu dont need all the stuff in a current graphics card to make a scene look realistic, but the minimum specs on some pc games are outrageously higher for the pc version than for the console version.

[glacial knot]

why would I wnat to play against people? I play games to have my piece. Or with friends on the couch /shrug

[strange crag]

play in a squad of friends against other netizens instead.

[umbral cliff]

More so optimisation of how things function. The overhead of running the OS vs being just designed for gaming would play a big part

[glacial knot]

ever heard of micro-optimizations that actually go into the micro architecture of target platform? That's why consoles live so much longer on static hardware

[forest edge]

console are scaled up

and they are not as good as pc

[umbral cliff]

There’s a lot of games which are just ports from console and use the same engine

[forest edge]

even if they "appear to be close" to the naked eye

[glacial knot]

because devs can actually program into their specific pipeline length and command latencies. Allows to pull out a lot more from the hardware than kinda having to hope it works for everything on the market

[umbral cliff]

Just the engine is designed for console rather than PC too

[strange crag]

I agree, but the gap still exists and as I see it for not much benefit

[forest edge]

that gap is trickery basically

consoles are like turds rolling next to something with actual wheels in a sense

[strange crag]

yes there is that happening too, but I would think that given the older hardware in a console that the gains wouldnt be that much.

it would be similar to giong from a top end i5 system with 8gigs ram, to a low end i7 with 16 gigs ram - not much difference

[forest edge]

it's mostly due to the fact that they are designing something to make a profit. even tho small laptops can fit in mobile versions of 3080's etc that wouldn't be cost effective for a console

charging 2k for the next xbox wouldn't fly too well

people would just buy a pc lol

so instead they tone down and scale up and use ever trick in the book to try and make it appear the turd is faster than it actually is

[strange crag]

but sounds like it is close to the truth

Now for the actual truth - 1. I cant drive a controller well enuff to be any good. 2. in an fps game with a controller you just need to be close to get a headshot. With a pc you gotta be completely accurate.

[glacial knot]

Aim Assist^^

but I have no interest in driving on a keyboard
Or honestly, playing any RPGs these days. Just comfier with the controller

[forest edge]

thats why you use a controller on pc

using an old xbox360 controller lately to play NFS

works just fine

[strange crag]

I would rather use a keyboard /mouse on a console than a controller on a pc.

[umbral cliff]

Controller on pc works well for games like gta where you need the finer control then just on/off

[strange crag]

in that case I would rather use a wheel and pedals. Most driving games suck on PC, however before the advent of wheels and pedals they had a pretty good handle on the steering. Its just got lost these days which is a shame.

[umbral cliff]

I don’t have the space to have a giant wheel and pedals lol

Controller a good compromise

[strange crag]

I dont have the space either - cos of space issues. - but I cant drive a controller either - even if I wanted too.

[forest edge]

it's the same game on pc as console. just graphics better on pc so don't see how they can "suck" lol

[clear ferry]

When HAOS users have to install the ssh add-on

[burnt cave]

does anyone have a manual garage door with a lock? like the handle with the key hole below it

i have one and I can lock it, but I have to screw with it for a solid minute each time and I can't figure out what exact actions I'm doing to successfully lock it

[clever mortar]

Well, generally you lock these things by putting the key in and turning it

[burnt cave]

you don't say

[clear ferry]

I do have one yes, from the 80s, and it works flawlessly

[clever mortar]

I've never tried sacrificing a goat though 🤔

[burnt cave]

@clear ferry mine seems to be some combo of turning the handle to the midpoint, then turning the key

[clever mortar]

Put the handle into the "closed" position, turn the key 360 degrees in the correct direction, job done

[burnt cave]

the key does not turn 360 degrees

[clever mortar]

Did it used to?

[burnt cave]

no it's not supposed to

[clear ferry]

Well to be fair, mine locks by turning the handle, and i unlock it with the key

This type

[clever mortar]

And, if I'm honest, I haven't locked mine in years

[burnt cave]

yeah I have the same style as that @clear ferry

so on yours you just turn the handle and it locks?

i think mine might just be kinda broken lol

i can't find a video of anyone operating one to ensure I'm not a moron who doesn't know how to use it

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I've had it slip once

Then I just adjusted the metal with a screwdriver

[burnt cave]

maybe I just need to pull it apart and lube up the mechanical bits

it feels like it kinda tries to catch when I turn it

but most of the time it does not lock in fully unless I wiggle the key and turn the handle back and forth randomly

[forest edge]

garage doors with manual latches and keys.. what is this the 70's?

[glacial knot]

literally said 80s

[burnt cave]

i just moved in and I'm using the garage exclusively as a shop so I don't see much need to convert it to powered

shit's expensive

it is the only door to the garage though which is annoying

gonna get one of those pre-hung doors at some point and frame it in

or knock a new hole for it and frame it in rather

[forest edge]

expensive? wtf

[burnt cave]

garage door openers and the labor to install it isn't cheap

i don't want to DIY a garage door opener, those springs will kill you in a flash

[forest edge]

what country?

[burnt cave]

USA

[forest edge]

wtf they are not expensive

[burnt cave]

$100 for an opener, few hundred for install

[forest edge]

and my grandma could install one and did

[burnt cave]

the structure is also not really built in a good way for it

at least it wouldn't be easy

[glacial knot]

the fuck kinda opener are you looking at that you can't install yourself? o.0

[forest edge]

well at the very least you could always replace the locking latch, those stupid cheap

[burnt cave]

they are surprisingly hard to find

[forest edge]

I wouldn't put anything inside a garage of value that only had the locking latch

[burnt cave]

it has windows

[forest edge]

you can get locking latch at literally any hardware store

are you in alaska?

[burnt cave]

so if someone really wants to get in it wouldn't be hard

it's easy to find it with the lock built into the handle

but the separate lock and handle is hard to track down, I checked lowes and home depot and neither has it

[forest edge]

so just buy that one and don't use the lock in it?

[burnt cave]

doesn't retrofit easily in the door

in any case I'm just gonna pull it apart and lube it up

[forest edge]

the stand alone lock is just a lock sylinder, those you can get at the hardware store too

cylinder

[burnt cave]

it locks, just takes a bunch of jiggling to get it to do so

so it's probably just old and gunked up

[forest edge]

but you should really invest in a opener or atleast one of those floor bolted locks cause those in door built locks are just too easy to open

[burnt cave]

i probably will at some point

just not now

[forest edge]

you can brute force turn those

[burnt cave]

pretty much everything valuable in there is too heavy to steal anyway lol

they could take my shitty push mower I guess

[glacial knot]

we've had people steal entire ATMs 😂

[burnt cave]

i'd just be impressed if they stole my lathe

that shit weighs like 1000 pounds

[glacial knot]

not even half a ton? I hope it's large, if you expect that to be an issue

[burnt cave]

there's also a rotted out sill plate out there I need to replace

[forest edge]

if you have another entrance you could add an internal slide lock too, those are 5 bucks at lowes. if you don't have another entrance they make those with remotes too that are like 25 bucks

[burnt cave]

i'm gonna add a regular human door like I mentioned earlier

and when I finish it out I'll probably add an electric opener

[forest edge]

then how would future people get the lathe out?

[burnt cave]

the garage door will stay

[forest edge]

oh

[glacial knot]

just get a nw garage door with a built-in human sized one

[burnt cave]

that would be far more expensive than just adding a separate door

[forest edge]

noway those doors are so cheesy and cheap lol

i had actually looked at them one time and was like wtf is this shit lol

[burnt cave]

$200 for a prehung solid core door and an afternoon to install it

[forest edge]

don't get solid core lol

[burnt cave]

for an outside door I would

not gonna get spendy on metal

[forest edge]

nah metal skinned is perfectly fine

metal is cheaper than solid wood

unless something change over the past 5 years

cause i had to replace a door on my barn and just bought a metal skinned one

was like 80 bucks or something

with tax

[burnt cave]

damn where you finding doors that cheap?

[forest edge]

sotherlands

sutherlands

[burnt cave]

we don't have that

[forest edge]

damn my spelling tonight

yea but all the hardware stores carry the same stuff

[burnt cave]

pre hung metal door is like $300+

[forest edge]

just diffrent brands etc

[burnt cave]

here anyway

[forest edge]

that makes no sense

[glacial knot]

What's pre-hung in this context?

[forest edge]

plus if your gonna frame one out anyways don't get a prehung

[burnt cave]

comes in a frame

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/tanuki-ous-tanukious-wow-gif-13134037

[forest edge]

fail

[burnt cave]

ime pre hung is worth it even if you are framing out a hole for it yourself

[forest edge]

look for restores in your area.. just about every place has them

get super cheap doors there too

maybe even a cheap opener

[burnt cave]

then you don't have to do the weather stripping and threshold and stuff

$200 ain't bad anyway

time is money

[glacial knot]

I can get metal doors for 40€ of ebay here o.0

[forest edge]

you just complained about openers being expensive and now 200+ is not bad? lol

[burnt cave]

opener would be prohibitive to install in my garage

[forest edge]

wonder what shipping would be on a door through ebay lol

[burnt cave]

until i finish it out and add ceiling joists

[forest edge]

well with the way crime has been lately i wouldn't wait out securing my garage lol

[glacial knot]

those would be pickup. Close enough that it essentially doesn't matter

[burnt cave]

as previously mentioned I have windows on my garage

if someone really wants to get in they can just break one

then open the door from inside

[forest edge]

I added metal grating to my window in my barn lol

to the inside

that stuff you see on trailer let down gates

[burnt cave]

well anyway. I can do all that stuff when I get around to finishing it out

I need to do that sill plate and completely rewire it first though

it has 60A running through wires that definitely shouldn't be carrying 60A

and a fusebox

[glacial knot]

What do you do that requires 60A o.0

[burnt cave]

welding and other power tools

[clear ferry]

60A on 110v I guess

[burnt cave]

yup

[clear ferry]

🤢

[burnt cave]

i'm not gonna load it up until it's rewired though

gonna trench new conduit and run 2awg out there and slap a 100A subpanel

[clear ferry]

I always laugh when I see my American collegues having issues getting servers to boot when connected to 110v

Only half the wattage available

[forest edge]

uh

you shipping them your power hog HP's again atx?>

[burnt cave]

what kinda server needs more than 1500w?

[forest edge]

plug it in and the wires on the pole instantly melt

[glacial knot]

just run 30A over the wires. Easy equivalent wattage

[clear ferry]

Trying to fire up 16 blade servers at once on 110v is horrible

[burnt cave]

that'll do it

[glacial knot]

don't start them at once

[burnt cave]

don't most places boot in sequence to avoid that though?

[glacial knot]

do you not have staggered power on?

[forest edge]

the being 110v is not the issue

[clear ferry]

Yes, but even so only half the wattage is available overall

So only half the servers can boot in the end

[burnt cave]

you can do 240v with multi wire branch circuits

[forest edge]

the issue is whoever their electrician is

[burnt cave]

to get 120v

it's a solvable problem

[clear ferry]

Sure

[burnt cave]

run half on one leg, half on the other leg

[clear ferry]

laughs in 400v default in the DC

[burnt cave]

cries into center tapped 240v

[forest edge]

16 blade servers connected to a bunch of surge protectors daisy chained deserve to not run lol

[burnt cave]

i just want to get hvac in there by the time summer rolls back around

my home gym is out there and I don't wanna heatstroke every time I go lift

always wanted to try one of those mini split units

also climate control will keep my tools from getting rusty

[forest edge]

not necessarily

[burnt cave]

here, yes

we get like 90% humidity and 50 degree temp swings in summer time so water condenses on anything metal

[forest edge]

air conditioners don't remove all that much moisture from the air

so if you have a humidty problem only a dehumidifier would be the solution

[burnt cave]

it's the temp swings that are the real problem

which hvac fixes

[forest edge]

good luck with that

[burnt cave]

it's mostly for comfort tho

less rusty tools is just a bonus

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/5PFgVtzsXHM

[glacial knot]

\o/ I finally got a spammer

though not from this server

[true mural]

Is it prohibited to ask a question that is not about HA in here? I'm looking for users that has tried another platform and want to know the pros and cons. It is ok if it is not allowed

[glacial knot]

#the-water-cooler is only for questions not about HA 🙂

[clever mortar]

It's important to read channel topics 😉

[static schooner]

Sometimes this channel is more like #raccoons-R-us

[glacial knot]

I blame @last cedar

[clear ferry]

#atx-and-robs-cuddlecave

[glacial knot]

#most-of-norways-network-capacity

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

How many total TB/s total switching capacity do you have in your basement?

[clear ferry]

Just my basement? What about my office and the attic?

[glacial knot]

your office isn't in your basement? o.0

[clear ferry]

No, it is in my loft

[glacial knot]

Hm

total then

I think we scared them off

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/nothingtosee-disperse-casual-explosion-gif-4545906

[glacial knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/raccoon-stealing-ofHpfBbgXhEVG

[clear ferry]

2x5900AF-48+4x+2q, 1x5120-24-4x, 2x2530-24-2x, 1x2520-24-2x, 1x2600-48,1x2600-24, 1xextreme summit48, 2xc2950-48,2xtplink-8, 2xvirtual connect flex-10

If I remember all of the switches

I think I'm missing two

So roughly 400 1g ports, plus 36 10g ports and 4 40g ports

[last cedar]

No idea what you mean

https://tenor.com/view/funny-raccoon-hail-king-crown-gif-15551856

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-love-bubble-cute-pop-it-gif-16903437

[orchid rose]

praised be the raccoon king/queen

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/kentbrockman-insect-overlord-insectoverlords-thesimpsons-gif-12867369

[clear ferry]

That's a lot of weeks Estonia

[orchid rose]

The map is ranked by maternal leave only btw

[clear ferry]

Just be like Norway, if wife isn't entitled to it husband gets it

[orchid rose]

None of this really makes any sense. Comparing paternity leave to joined + maternity

[low harness]

And the Sweden figure is wrong too. It's 240 days for each parent.

[clear ferry]

It only shows for mothers though

So it's correct for Sweden

[orchid rose]

It shows three modifiers in two graphs

[clear ferry]

Oh my bad, I didn't see the lower part

I only saw the top one

United States wins 0

[orchid rose]

ah, it was always a race to the bottom 🔫

Just a meme

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

0 for united states is the most inaccurate thing I have ever seen. what kind of false information is being fed to you people? rotf

wait, that is ONLY refering to what the goverment of the country forks out.. yea that would be 0.. the companies you work for do that

[glacial knot]

it's not about who pays. It's about whether it's guaranteed

[forest edge]

it's still inaccurate

[green inlet]

Well, if you care….read this
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla

[forest edge]

breaks down even further than that cause you also have individual state laws that touch on it

[green inlet]

You always say that but state laws can not trump a federal law

[forest edge]

no matter how you slice it if that flyer atx posted was about government paid or just guaranteed time off as ongy suggested it's inaccurate and false information lol

state laws don't undermine fedral, they extend it

[glacial knot]

oh, unpaid

it only keeps your other stuff up, that shouldn't be tied to employment either way

[green inlet]

It allows you to take leave for fmla

[glacial knot]

the chart literally says mandated paid leave

[forest edge]

stuff like this can get confusing cause unlike some countries who only have one tier of goverment, we have a trickle down system

[forest edge]

right, that's where the state laws come into play

[glacial knot]

country

you don't even have straws to grasp at 😂

[green inlet]

I didn’t read the chart. Don’t care about the chart. Just giving you the info on how maternity leave works in the us.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, we have 100% paid leave guaranteed

[forest edge]

the flyer is out of context

[green inlet]

You also pay 50% of your salary in taxes 🤣

[clear ferry]

That would be the Danish

[green inlet]

Oh, 75% 🤣

[forest edge]

lol

[clear ferry]

Most people here pay around 20-25 I guess

I pay 32

[green inlet]

I had as much leave as I needed when my kids were born. That’s all I know.

[forest edge]

thats pretty high lol

[clear ferry]

I don't have to pay health care though

[forest edge]

you do, in some form or another

[green inlet]

And I get 8 hours of annual leave and 4 hours of sick leave every 2 weeks

[forest edge]

you just have the illusion your not paying for it lol

[green inlet]

Nothing is free

[forest edge]

well his country is so tiny I don't see why they would even hide it.. I mean what could it possibly amount too with 15 people pop

[glacial knot]

yea, healthcare is included in these % we consider difference between gross and net

[clear ferry]

[green inlet]

And it’s ducking cold….I mean location location location

[glacial knot]

@clear ferry do you include basic retirement in there as well?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[glacial knot]

sick leave 😂

[clear ferry]

Employers retirement comes on top of that

[green inlet]

These discussions always drive me crazy. There are good and bad everywhere. Positives and negatives in life is kinda a thing.

[clear ferry]

We can all agree that @forest edge is a 💩 at least

[green inlet]

The simple fact that Norway gets to -28 c on the regular I couldn’t live there no matter any other benefit

[clear ferry]

It's only -4c and snowing right now

[green inlet]

I get cold a 50 f

[burnt cave]

it gives you an excuse to decorate your house with UV lights

make it look like a night club

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

shouldn't you use infrared for heat?

[burnt cave]

nah for the vitamin d

[glacial knot]

I should still have some supplements for that around. Since it's getting dark so quickly now, I should take them...

[green inlet]

Can you buy michelob ultra in Norway 🤣

[glacial knot]

and I'm not even far north

[static schooner]

I would decorate my palm trees if I could easily reach their branches/fronds

[clear ferry]

I do vitamin d supplements

[forest edge]

😿

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-happy-excited-jumping-clouds-gif-9856619

[clear ferry]

[green inlet]

No amount of anything makes up for the SUN

[forest edge]

who the hell wants palm trees lol

https://tenor.com/view/cold-in-la-cold-in-la-why-dont-we-jonah-marais-jonah-why-dont-we-palm-trees-gif-15252400

[green inlet]

Well, palm trees need heat …. So yea…..they also usually come with scantily clad females

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-8miles-brabbit-promise-rap-gif-13420799

[forest edge]

it's not the 80's anymore.. sun and bun is a dangerous and costly sport

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-blink182-gif-4982401

[glacial knot]

Also, is https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/maternity-leave-laws-by-state/ up to date? If so, I don't feel like 0 is that bad of an approximation

[static schooner]

Insurance takes care of that kind of stuff in the US, and US insurance is (regrettably) employment-based. So a survey of what companies provide as part of employment would be more interesting

[clear ferry]

12weeks unpaid if you worked 1250 hours last year, sounds like a great deal

[clear ferry]

We give six months paid paternity/maternity leave in the US, it's quite popular

[static schooner]

big, self-aware companies tend to do okay by their employees

[green inlet]

Hire me….I will get pregnant and ……

[glacial knot]

that's just over 20h/w. The hours aren't too bad

[clear ferry]

Still unpaid

[green inlet]

Right but the fmla allows you to take so many days of your a/l so it turns out not to be unpaid. I get it doesn’t match what you guys have but it isn’t what you think

[glacial knot]

a/l?

[green inlet]

Annual leave

[static schooner]

age/sex/location

[green inlet]

If you work for a decent company that gives you leave

[forest edge]

honestly our unemployment/welfare system was an aphrodisiac enough as is.. if there was some fedral standard that gave x amount of paid leave our pop would be 2-3 times what it is lol

[regal briar]

is there a channel for super noob question or guides ?

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Amber see #yellow-archived, and #330990055533576204 for the Blue. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: ongy

[glacial knot]

If you have no idea at all what you are asking about, probably #general-archived though it'd help a bit if you know the right area (I assume mostly #integrations-archived / #templates-archived or one of the installation methods at first)

[verbal olive]

using your inability to control everything from your bed when you're under the weather as ammo to argue to your housemates you need more automation

Big brain strategy

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[brisk hinge]

Random, does anyone use the sub-reddit? I made a post to see if anyone has recommendations for what devices work offline with HA - and it was auto blocked? 😂

[dusky plank]

graylog is awesome
https://imgur.com/ydvxJHZ

[clever mortar]

I've seen a few folks rave about it, never touched it

[hot hearth]

i have somehow nuked my docker config and broke nginx...

and now my server is refusing all ssh connections

scrap that, i just managed to connect

still dead

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsie-oops-fail-sassy-chris-klemens-gif-11336158

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/alexandra-botez-thumbnails-gif-20958974

[static schooner]

Looks like the map from WarGames

[dusky plank]

its not animated (yet) but the page with data already gets my browser to its knee.. so I will leave that out 😄

[static schooner]

well, the only way to win is not to play

[clear ferry]

Dog damn Norwegian socialism, now the government is going to pay our power bills for us because they are so high

Better fire up all my servers again

[jade tartan]

everyone let atx barrow your gpu's for a month

[clear ferry]

[jade tartan]

remember to accidently send me someones 3090 for this idea

[clear ferry]

Did you say 3D Pro Turbo All-in-Wonder

Sure

[fathom sparrow]

who's engaged to what?

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-always-ill-gif-21333821

[fathom sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-gif-10618052

[deft pewter]

unfortunately.

[fathom sparrow]

been MIA for a hot minute

just doing a vitality check, carry on

[clear ferry]

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/alive-dead-im-not-dead-yet-gif-13642579

[regal briar]

hey how do you guys control alexa via HA ?

mostly i wanna use alexa to control HA

so "alexa do x" then Ha does x

[jade tartan]

i wana do that but for google

actually

i want almond to work

so i can just yell at a fully local thing to just turn on lights

[regal briar]

so there is an app for google @jade tartan ?

[jade tartan]

iunno, havent done it

[finite atlas]

how socialistic is Svalbard?

[clear ferry]

They are Norway

So the same?

Except they have no tax on goods

[jade tartan]

ok so i need recomendations

on alcohol

im looking for something to sipp on, not get drunk, this is for like "i just got a new job" special occasions kinda thing

want it to be smooth as fuck, cause im not a huge liquour drinker

[clear ferry]

I love sipping on Laphroaig or Diplomatico rum

[jade tartan]

but open to scotch and all that

lemme check them out

wait

[young sigil]

Zubrowka

[jade tartan]

your in germany arnt you?

[clear ferry]

No

[jade tartan]

i should specify, able to be bought in the US, lol

[clear ferry]

Zubrowka is great

[finite atlas]

wasnt it 7% ?

[clear ferry]

Last I checked it was 0

[forest edge]

looks like esp-now may replace zigbee lol

[torpid spire]

Hiya gents. Not really sure where this should land. Im trying to have telegram alerts with gifs or photos on motion.

I have BI all piped into HA with motion alerts and such. What do you think would be the most straight forward method?

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Amber see #yellow-archived, and #330990055533576204 for the Blue. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: tom l

[young sigil]

#integrations-archived would be the best fit

[brisk glen]

God dam, I am glad I am moving away from Phillips hue

Can’t re-pair a light switch that I used to reset a bulb from them

[glacial knot]

really? Resetting never un-paired for me o.0

[brisk glen]

Then it ate shit after only 1 year

Yet another zigbee hub to be replaced by thread :/

[scenic radish]

odd. been using the hue bridge for 4+ years with no significant issues