the-water-cooler

[vast tusk]

Stupid question

Any chance multiple echo devices are activating at the same time?

[hot kestrel]

good question, I thought of that but no echo should turn off the firestick (without HA/Node Red active), there is no routine for it alexa,

[green inlet]

Firesticks automatically integrate with Alexa. Check the alexa app for your fire stick

In devices

And respect Tinkerer’s request to take anything further to #general-archived

[quartz ether]

NZ based. So REAL limited on things that have cert to be added to powerboard

[vivid fox]

Life tip: Don't get lazy and fail to handle non-200 http results. Weather.gov changed its api, which broke my node red pull of weather data, causing my script that falls back observation servers to flood them with requests for the last three days. Their firewall blocked me, resulting in a 403, which perpetuated the issue. Fortunately they were good sports about it.

Also, always put your email in your user-agent

[hushed basalt]

It's certified for aus so i assume it's the same

Maybe not though

[quartz ether]

Also the one I have tracks main and 5 other feeds 🙂

[quick frost]

Hello Everyone!

I have a concern about EMF radiation with all these "smart switches" with uses Wi-Fi.

(currently i am using most sonoff devices)

Has anyone check the radiation of them?

[clever mortar]

There's no shortage of standards and assessments for these things

Don't sleep with them in your pillow

You should be more worried by your Bluetooth headphones, or your mobile phone

(or where you live)

[quick frost]

I know the basics - i have have these devices near my pillow.
My question is: at 2 meters from our bed is ok, or its better to be 5-10+ meters away?

[hushed basalt]

There's no evidence that non ionising radiation is harmful in levels that are too weak to heat you up

EMF that will harm you

UV light from the Sun

[clever mortar]

It's not like there's a shortage of scientific research out there, freely available

ISTR one finding is that you're more at risk if you're a frequent flyer

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-crazy-wow-creepy-nuts-gif-5547782

[quick frost]

Thanks again for the reply.

So suggested is 2-5 or 10 meters away from bed ?

[clever mortar]

More than 1cm is fine

If it isn't heating up your skin, it's far enough away

[quick frost]

Super, thanks for your reply - i havent found such a simple reply to my answer till now 🙂

[light trout]

If you have the answer, why are you fishing for questions?

[clever mortar]

#the-water-cooler message

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/i4pxw4tYeCU

[quick frost]

lol - what do you mean ? i am aksing because i am searching for information. above your message i found a good answer - so i think that your mention is no good.

[green inlet]

Maybe a typo?
#the-water-cooler message

[pulsar bison]

What are folks using for security cameras? I'm aware of zoneminder, viseron...

(has to be linux, no Windows)

[clever mortar]

#cameras-archived can tell you to use Frigate 😄

[quick frost]

Yes, i have edit that.

[subtle pasture]

You could put your entire WiFi access point inside your mouth and the transmit power wouldn't be enough to harm you.

Regulatory limit for WiFi is 100mW of transmit power, and that's before losses in the PCB, connectors, and antenna

Also, if you're running 5.8GHz WiFi rather than 2.4GHz WiFi, it's technically even less likely to cause harm, because it doesn't penetrate nearly as well through water-laden materials

[glacial knot]

500mW for a lot of 5GHz channels

also, regional differences apply

[subtle pasture]

2.4GHz has 5.3 times more penetrating power than 5.8GHz through water, so yeah

The transmit power limit being 5x higher tracks with that

You'd need the higher transmit power just to deal with things like humidity, which has a much more drastic impact on 5.8GHz WiFi

Little bit humid or foggy? There goes your range

[crisp sapphire]

its actually a double sided story. Some frequencies are more harmful dispite being less penetrating & vice versa. But what really matters for the frequencies used by wifi/5G/general comms is the power density (power per unit area).

at <1W at the source, its completely safe.

Just wanna make it clear that there isnt a streight answere nor a general rule of thumb for whats safe vs not. You gotta look at the data for the given freq/power used across the entire spectrum. EMW's behave differently depending on freq.

[static schooner]

https://c.tenor.com/3BFGdQYuAEcAAAAC/blonde-cow-wig-cow.gif

[brisk fox]

I'm looking at https://www.home-assistant.io/examples/#example-configurationyaml where a number of really neat sample configurations are available to look at. I'm wondering if any of these have an accompanying videos to show what they actually look like and how they are interacted with.

[velvet horizon]

Videos are great to watch but are usually out of date QUICK.... Best to read the DOCS

Command '.videos' was invoked by: phnx

[brisk fox]

that's a matter of opinion, circumstance, and context.

[static schooner]

it's a stone cold fact

[brisk fox]

I'll agree to disagree.

[static schooner]

as is your right. it's certainly 100% correct around here

• Videos are great to watch ✅

• Are usually out of date quick ✅

[brisk fox]

I can't visualise what a yaml file looks like on a device.

[static schooner]

• Best to read the docs ✅

hard to argue with any of that

ok

I don't think that contradicts any of that

[brisk fox]

😉 fair enough. I wasn't trying to propagate the earlier 5G controversy by switching to another topic.
I cloned all of the given examples, and thought it would be nice to see what one/some of them actually look like.
I'm still struggling with certain details of HA.

But at least the COW is now off my screen.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-wig-gif-19175049

[subtle pasture]

docs > video for visualizing yaml files

Can't copy/paste from a video

Well... not without some OCR, but good luck with that

[clever mortar]

It should give you something slightly worng 100% of the time

[brisk fox]

I've cloned all the provided repos, so I can copy/paste from them. But I can't render them unless I have the same setup the repo is built around.

[subtle pasture]

wat?

[static schooner]

TIL that there’s a dedicated URL with a hi-res full screen version of that on my company’s intranet. It’s quite striking

[clever mortar]

Woah

[subtle pasture]

wtf did you clone? It's your house, nobody else's yaml is going to work for it...

[brisk fox]

I cloned the examples, what else would I clone from that list?

[subtle pasture]

Cloning the examples is pointless, they'd be non-functional

[brisk fox]

No kidding. That's why I asked if there were video's of any of them.

[subtle pasture]

You're better off reading the docs and copy/pasting just the relevant parts, then customizing them to meet your needs

Videos would be an even worse resource than that...

[brisk fox]

If that works for you, fine. But I have a different way of thinking about some things.

That 5G discussion must have triggered a few people here.

[subtle pasture]

Not sure what you get out of text rasterized to h.264 vs. plaintext...

The former is a lot harder to work with

[clever mortar]

Fuzzier bits?

[brisk fox]

That's for me to work out.

[subtle pasture]

Can you explain it? Because I can't imagine any scenario where dealing with an image of text is better than dealing with actual plaintext

I have this fight with coworkers every time they send me a screenshot of a table rather than the actual table >_>

The screenshot is waaaay more cumbersome in every possible way.

[brisk fox]

I'm not asking anyone to imagine anything on my behalf.
I've already explained what my thinking is and how I do my stuff.

[subtle pasture]

Can you link to the explanation, then?

[brisk fox]

Read above.

[subtle pasture]

So that's a no

🤷‍♀️

[brisk fox]

I'm glad I wasn't here for the 5G discussion, but I didn't take part in it, so just relax now that that conversation is over.

[subtle pasture]

How's that even related? lol

[green inlet]

Everyone seems to be giving you good answers and you seem to be more triggered by the 5g convo than anyone else

[subtle pasture]

y'all ever had a conversation with someone on Discord who constantly makes you suspect that they're an AI chatbot, rather than an actual person?

[brisk fox]

Exactly, I'm wondering why everyone is triggered by the thought that someone who volunteered their setup might consider including a video that shows how that setup works.

[green inlet]

But that has been asked and answered

[brisk fox]

Yea, indirectly by suggesting it's a stupid and impractical notion.

[green inlet]

It’s because videos go out of date. People usually update their repos regularly and updating videos is an extensive process

My setup looks nothing like it did day one

[brisk fox]

They do in some cases, but not every case.

[subtle pasture]

I think we directly stated that videos (as a medium for getting your arms around yaml) are an impractical notion

The bot sure did, anyway

[green inlet]

Well, again, the answer is no, there are no videos to go with the examples

[brisk fox]

No, you're just looking for an argument

[subtle pasture]

Who?

[green inlet]

🌮

Tacos and chill

[brisk fox]

The repos have a commit date, and a video made in the same timeframe would not go out of date unless the repo was updated after the video was made.
It's simple logic and I can't believe it's that hard to comprehend.

[subtle pasture]

The only argument I'm looking for is what argument you have for videos being objectively better than the wiki documentation 😂

And you just explained exactly the problem. The video is now behind the repo, and a video is way more time-consuming to update than a wiki page...

[brisk fox]

I asked for a video as a compliment to the code I'm looking at, where they share a common timepoint.

[green inlet]

#the-water-cooler message

[brisk fox]

Then I can checkout the commit that matches the date the video was made.
I thought you guys were programmers.

[green inlet]

#the-water-cooler message

[subtle pasture]

Why would you intentionally run an older version of the code just to use an outdated video?

That seems suboptimal across the board

[brisk fox]

of course I wouldn't. Why do you suggest I would do that?

[subtle pasture]

You suggested it, not me...

[brisk fox]

whatever

[subtle pasture]

Like, right there. You suggest checking out old code to match an old video...

[green inlet]

The benefit of discord is you can try something and come here and get live support

[subtle pasture]

Well, not in this channel, but yeah 😂

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-dancing-gif-22538342

This channel is mostly for racoons

[green inlet]

And taco loving beer drinkers

[brisk fox]

And I appreciate that very fact, along with the magnanimity of the people who volunteer their time to help random people.

[green inlet]

So, have a taco and relax man. No one here trying to start a fight. They just trying to give you what they believe is the best way to go about things 😉

Because most of them have been there, and bought the t-shirt

[brisk fox]

I asked a question.

I've been programming for long enough to have learned some of these things already. I don't need schooling on the merits of videos vs code. They serve different purposes.

YouTube wouldn't exist if video tutorials weren't useful.

[green inlet]

You are 100% correct but the difference is HAss moves at a very quick pace

[brisk fox]

Screen sharing wouldn't have been developed if it weren't useful.

[clever mortar]

HA changes, now, monthly

It used to change fortnightly

Videos don't keep up, not even close

Hence the suggestions

[subtle pasture]

I mean, we can talk about this all we want, but the fact of the matter is you're going to have to make due with the wiki because the devs aren't really making any videos 🤷‍♀️

So, how can we help you get the most out of the wiki?

[brisk fox]

Well, as I said, I can checkout a commit in any of those repos if I needed to synchronise a video I was looking at to the code it purports to demonstrate. I've never seen a repo that changes its own history.

[subtle pasture]

Nobody suggested the history changes. I questioned why you would want to run outdated code just to use an equally outdated video 🤷‍♀️

[brisk fox]

But I was told, several times, that videos go out of date.

[subtle pasture]

Right, because they nolonger match the current code

[green inlet]

Because they do is HAss land

[subtle pasture]

That would make them outdated vs. master

[brisk fox]

Hence the fact that I can checkout an older commit.

[subtle pasture]

See above. lol

[clever mortar]

There are a handful of people that do videos about their setups, but they're the exception, not the norm

[green inlet]

||breaking changes||

[brisk fox]

Thanks. I understand that.

[green inlet]

Look at the HAss home page under release notes. Then scroll down to breaking changes. There is a long list like that every new version. If you followed old code, you could likely run into several breaking changes

[brisk fox]

But don't post that cow image again, please

[subtle pasture]

But it has such wonderful locks...

[brisk fox]

lol

[green inlet]

We are all friends….thick skin….grab a beer

[brisk fox]

Alright, there are no such videos.

[static schooner]

It looks directly into my soul

[opaque girder]

Should make that the animated icon of the server

[clever mortar]

Well, yes, but in that case ... #the-water-cooler message

[trail crag]

Wait...today is Friday.

Was Friday, rather

[hushed basalt]

Only if you think of time as linear

[glacial knot]

Think of it as timely widely wimely wobbely stuff

[brisk fox]

@clever mortar : in your view-floorplan.yaml there may be a missing '0' in the sensor.printer logic.

[crisp sapphire]

Guys Help me find this meme/comic. Ik ya'll have seen it before but i cant find the magic words:

"Software development in testing" guys entering diff inputs like negative numbers and stuff

"Vs when it goes into production"
customer enters en emote. Everything catches fire

[light trout]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/a2c4gg/quality_assurance/

[crisp sapphire]

No it was a comic

but thats decently close

[hushed basalt]

For those of you who have moved out of coding roles into more leadership/design/architect etc etc

Do you miss hands on coding

[young sigil]

👂 I've resisted this move for some time (hardware not software though).

[hot merlin]

My director still has his hands all in the code.

[livid robin]

is anyone interested in helping me install HA on a macbook? raspberry PIs are hard to come by where I am. willing to paypal

[glacial knot]

I can get hands on every couple weeks
and it's nice to dig down into code. Way less stress than being a manager

but I don't miss being the responsible engineer on support issues^^

[glacial knot]

#449717345808547842 can probably help you with that. #the-water-cooler is no support channel

[brisk glen]

@glacial knot naa he wants core

[clever mortar]

Even if he does, the docs should cover it

[viscid panther]

Hey guys, quick reminder. make sure you're always running S2 Authentication on your lightning.

it appeases Zeus

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/zeus-hercules-work-yourself-to-death-gif-13979417

[last dirge]

I've had it since June 2018

I think @last plaza has had his since around then too

[crisp sapphire]

Nice

Been wanting one since 2013

It'll happen some day.

[last plaza]

Too bad the Tesla integration is no more!
https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2021/10/06/release-202110/#farewell-to-the-following.
I’ve had issues with it the last few months.

[clever mortar]

I'd not be surprised if MyQ goes the same way - custom component time 😄

[last plaza]

lol - that reminds me - I should check if there is any alternative or custom component. I highly doubt though

[clever mortar]

Tesla went custom component ISTR

[light trout]

https://github.com/alandtse/tesla

[fierce sun]

Isn't myQ just homekit now?

[glacial knot]

power cycling a PC from HA feels lazy

as in, it's plugged into a smart socket that's controlled over zigbee
not triggering a reboot

[dusky plank]

sunday is backup day

[clever mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398945876074299402/859322928473702470/discord-reply-off.gif

[glacial knot]

discord needs a feature to embed a gif into the channel background

[clever mortar]

You assume anybody would notice...

I've seen people fail to read Press Q to continue at the end of a status message

[crisp sapphire]

Discord should really add an option to set reply @'s to off by default in the settings

Its giga annoying

[hushed basalt]

Why is it annoying

[plucky pulsar]

this

[clever mortar]

More so when you get notification ping after ping after ping after ping

Not so bad on servers where you can turn them off, but when you're a mod/admin, doesn't work so well

Similar challenge with all the folks that join a server and jump to DMs immediately, or if you respond to them they start DMing you

[crisp sapphire]

One extra tap every time. Including the tap im about to perform for this one.

[hot merlin]

Discord should also let me hide individual images, or images from specific people because yeesh.

[fierce sun]

my bad

[crisp sapphire]

This

[wintry sluice]

Infuriating discovery:
20A black decora outlets with provisions for backwiring: $6, available everywhere.
The exact same thing in 15A: $11-36 and completely out of stock nationally.
That in white: $6, available everywhere.

Indeed, brown and gray are also widely available. Just not black.

[last dirge]

so... use the 20A ones

it doesn't DRAW 20A and your breaker will protect the wiring at 15A so there should be no problem

[wintry sluice]

Code implications. 20A calls for 12ga wiring, and all the existing is 14ga.

[green inlet]

Is black switches a thing where you are or just a personal preference? I am in the us and don’t think I have ever seen black switches. Just curious

[wintry sluice]

It's generally a decoration choice.

Originally, this house has a completely random assortment of switch and outlet colors depending, I guess, on what was on sale at the time.

[green inlet]

I would think the white and beige would be the ones out of stock.

[wintry sluice]

as I repaint, I'm trying to unify things to match the wall and trims.

[green inlet]

Painting 🤢

My wife has been hinting about painting lately

Not one of my favorites but I feel like it is not far off 🤣

[wintry sluice]

ha, this entire project was supposed to be hardwood floors and paint. We've been in the what-incompetent-moron-built-this phase for going on 6mo now.

[green inlet]

Well, hopefully paint means you are nearing completion at least

[wintry sluice]

Just this weekend, ended up ripping all the drywall off the archway where an addition connects because, as it turns out, they just taped over a giant gap... And the drywall was massively water damaged from god knows what

[green inlet]

Hopefully not a leak in the roof

[wintry sluice]

there's a lot of formerly-wet stuff around there, and it all seems to be old and resolved

it's all dry now, but it sure as hell was wet once.

[green inlet]

I have been helping someone with a similar situation. Roof leak that wrecked havoc on the drywall.

[wintry sluice]

There's a third floor patio door to a balcony

Anecdotally it 'always leaked'

and "wouldn't stay closed"

Had my door and window guy look at it and he was like 'well, it doesn't look like it should leak, and it won't stay closed because nobody ever popped the mechanical block out of the latch that keeps you from locking yourself out when you install it'

it, uh, now stays closed.

[wet pilot]

Lol oops

[wintry sluice]

it was installed in the 90's sometime.

[wet pilot]

Jeebus

[green inlet]

🤣

I have no idea what that is you are talking about but I feel like just taking the time to look at the thing and it would have been obvious what was going on.

[wintry sluice]

eh, I missed it when I looked at it. Just a little plastic plug blocking off what looked like a hole but was actually a major component of the latch

[forest edge]

@green inletHolmes on Homes black sheep cousin Pdo huh

[green inlet]

ehhhh....jack of all trades, expert of none

except A/C and automobiles

I pay people for those things

[hushed basalt]

I have to deal with a waterdamaged bathroom

Need to rip it all out, it's an ugly bathroom anyways

But it's a struggle to find trades atm without paying $$$$

[forest edge]

stuff like that really isn't hard to do, just gotta sit some time to do it. a whole bathroom for the inexperince would probably take longer than a weekend but could be done in 2 easy

[last cedar]

Sounds like your wifes problem...

[last cedar]

How long are your weekends?! 🤣

[wintry sluice]

Just getting materials right now is a complete nightmare. I've got two commercial bathrooms being gutted and redone - super simple - anti-mold drywall, that plastic wall cladding stuff, metal studs, some copper pipe, a few electrical bits and bobs, and the fixtures, and it's taken the contractor 3 weeks to finally get everything purchased and on site.

Trying to DIY a bathroom right now, I'd assume more than a weekend spent just running around 3 counties trying to buy supplies.

[green inlet]

I like the way you think 😉

[last cedar]

:D

[worn plank]

has anyone bought the new retroflag superpi case?

[lament coral]

Anyone knows what I need to set up so that my YouTube app sees my LG WebOS TV through VLANs ;D?

My phone is on another Network than my TV. mDNS works tho, it finds all my stuff. So I was wondering if the LG TVs need something different to discover

[glacial knot]

time to sniff your phone's traffic and figure out what it does 🙂

[vast tusk]

Could be related to multicast issues between vlans

Haven't dealt with this personally but I vaguely remember discussing it with a buddy back in uni

I think he had to play around with nat rules between glans but I could be wrong

[amber bramble]

of course now that i have solar panels with battery storage my power won't even flicker during a storm that takes down a bunch of trees and poles 🤷‍♂️

[sand agate]

What kind of router are you using? Unifi sort of works with some mDNS. I ended up moving to pfsense to get mDNS and udp broadcasting to work correctly

[lament coral]

opnsense. i tried setting up SSDP (which is needed for the discovery of the youtube app on the webos) but i didnt manage to get it running and a looot of ppl in the opnsense / pfsense forums said that it is a bad idea.
ended up buying a chromecast ultra (used) on german craigslist and am using that now. which is much better than using the TV itself since google cast is supported by much more apps than the webos supports.

still happy with webos tho, the api works great.
gonna see how the android/google TV evolves, 2 yrs ago when i bought this TV all the android TVs sucked

[sand agate]

I had to install and run a script for something called udpbroadcastrelay between vlans

[lament coral]

yeah im using exactly that. i was able to install it via the gui in opnsense

have you ever tried opnsense btw?

im using this script to enable mDNS between VLANs

[sand agate]

I have not. Just barely pulled the trigger on switching out my UDM for a pfsense machine

[lament coral]

UDM?

[sand agate]

unifi dream machine

[lament coral]

ahh right. what motivated you to switch?

i upgraded from a fritzbox, german consumer router. had some experience with pfsense, but the friend of mine which helped me setting up my network uses opnsense, so i went with that. really gotta say that is much more organzied than pfsense. the UI is much cleaner

[sand agate]

casting to a group of speakers didn't work at all with the UDM, their mDNS isn't working correctly even with all the port openings between vlans

[lament coral]

but still, it doesnt compare with a fortigate

oh lol, so mDNS was the reason to switch

[sand agate]

yep

[lament coral]

guess you are also using Unifi APs?

[sand agate]

Yessir

It was that and making sure that incoming port forwarding was only happening from cloudflare ip's

[lament coral]

i got the UAP-AC-PRO for 45€ each used. but im not running a cloud key 😄 running the unifi controller on a VM in its own VLAN

are you still using your UDM as the controller?

[sand agate]

Nope. Mine is running on a pi 3

I'm going to sell the UDM eventually

[lament coral]

i bought an HP DL380 Gen 8 for cheap 😄 because a friend of mine wanted that i get this XD she had spare ram and other HP stuff laying around. best decision ever. just had to do some mods to tame the noise

but my FW currently is the bottleneck of my network. HW is a sophos XG 135 r2, small quadcore atom.

[sand agate]

I just have an older dell 3040 with an i5-6500 and 8gb of ram for my pfsense box

[lament coral]

I have 2 cisco SG300 switches and my proxmox is connected via a LAGG, so is the opnsense, but i cant get over 1G

is it loud or quiet?

[sand agate]

quiet. Temps haven't gone above 60c

[lament coral]

i guess you dont run HA on a RPI 😄 how are you running it?

ahh, that's just a regular PC, no server.

I am looking for something quiet... and rack mounted 😄
Makes it more expensive tho XD

[sand agate]

I have an HP G1 mini with an i5 4570T and 16GB of RAM running proxmox. proxmox is only running 3 vms, HA, frigate (m.2 coral accelerator), and an LMS server

[lament coral]

I could also just run the Firewall in a VM of my server.. but i want to seperate it...

[sand agate]

Yeah, mine is just on a shelf in my rack. Will fit perfect next to my synology nas once I get it in my rack

personally I would prefer separated too

unless you have a cluster and can migrate VM's easily for no down time

[lament coral]

I had a lenovo M700 mini PC before as my HA host. also running proxmox, and then docker for HA. are you running HA as a VM? Do you use Home assistant os?

[sand agate]

I used the wiskerz script for my HA VM

So it is home assistant os I believe

[lament coral]

you dont trust docker yet :D?

[sand agate]

eh, I use docker for other stuff

here is my network monitoring card in HA

[lament coral]

what motivated you to run HA in a VM and not in docker then if i may ask?

what is your network speed? 1G? 10G?

and do you also put container in seperate VLANs? or is your docker host in one VLAN and thats it?

[sand agate]

complication of support of supervised in docker was happening at the time. They mentioned dropping support and then reverted it, and I already had it installed

[lament coral]

ahh, so you set up everything and didnt want to move

[sand agate]

network speed is 1g currently. Just got a mikrotik switch that has 10g, but probably won't even use it for a while. As for docker, the host just runs in my server vlan, but really it only runs frigate, nothing else

or are you talking about docker in HA?

[limber mist]

Good evening, :)

[sand agate]

Hello

[lament coral]

sup xyler, what are ya doing?

[limber mist]

Playing some games, but I just finished installing Home Assistant, and I'm a total noob haha.

[lament coral]

@sand agate i still dont know the perfect way to achive this: i trunk all my VLANs to my proxmox. so i can assign them to the VMs to my liking. but i still didnt find the perfect way to put container in different vlans. because my docker host has an IP in my Server Network. for home assistant, i have a seperate VLAN. since the smart home stuff needs access to almost everything 😄 like this i can better controll that.

@limber mist welcome 😄 what is your plan with smart home? what have you been using before? and what hardware are you running at?

[limber mist]

Currently running an Intel Skylake 4 core server running unraid which houses my VMs, including Home Assistant. I bought Z-Wave USB and devices, I'm hoping to do Z-Wave stuff to start, then go from there!

[sand agate]

You can make your VMs vlan aware. My HA is just on 2 vlans (and the host is not on the trunk vlan)

[limber mist]

And the most "smart home" thing I had before is a Phillips Hue bridge

[sand agate]

Thats exactly how I started ha ha

[lament coral]

@sand agate i made them VLAN aware. but how did you put em in the vlans? im using IPVLAN

haha, so you still have hue?

[limber mist]

I do, still love playing with the lights I have installed.

[sand agate]

You can also create a firewall on the proxmox host I believe so that you can block specific vlans from VMs

[lament coral]

for zwave I'd advise you to go directly with zwavejs

how do you create docker container on unraid? with a docker compose?

[limber mist]

Unraid has its own Docker container

[lament coral]

can you also create custom containers?

[limber mist]

But I imported the KVM base and running it as a VM

I think so, I am not super experienced with dockers and VMs, I am a network admin, mostly VoIP and firewalls

[lament coral]

let me google something

i am running a debian VM on proxmox. and im running portainer to manage docker.

do you have a raspberry pi laying arround xyler?

[limber mist]

I do, a Pi 3B

[lament coral]

is it in use?

[limber mist]

No, not right now, but I have a few reservations with using it...

[lament coral]

because you could also run docker on the pi and then place it at a central point in the house so everything has perfect reception.
but with zwave it doesnt matter that much i guess as main powered devices act as routers.

[limber mist]

It's killed 2 SD cards already...

[sand agate]

yeah, with a pi you really want to run with an SSD

[lament coral]

that's why I say that ppl shouldnt buy a pi but a used 1L PC

[limber mist]

Through my work I have a Fortigate Firewall, so my routing is covered,

[lament coral]

that was my Proxmox host for the last year, ran perfectly

[limber mist]

Nice

[lament coral]

haha, nice.

so you are seperating your network with vlans?

or is everything in one network?

[limber mist]

I have a few VLANs

Was a bit of a hassle getting HA on my network VLAN though, so it's on my DATA one. Is okay though, it's not on my IOT one.

[lament coral]

I upgraded from my consumer grade router to an opnsense on an 2015 sophos intel atom box, a hp DL380 Gen 8 server with 8 (and if i install the 2nd CPU 16) cores, and also went for ubiquiti APs. and i seperated everything into VLANs.

so your HA is running in a different VLAN than your IoT stuff?

[limber mist]

My IOT stuff is mostly a Google NEST right now.

[lament coral]

are your chromecasts in the same VLAN as your phone is?

and does google cast work?

[limber mist]

Chromecast is on my main DATA network, yeah.

For easy casting

[lament coral]

i went the hard way

[limber mist]

I probably should have, but I'm a little lazy...

[lament coral]

i have a VLAN for my servers, a VLAN for HA, an IoT VLAN and a "Std" vlan, standard.

and if i want to manage my network, i use wireguard to connect to my servers to manage them.

you will have to check if and how to set up that mDNS works. opnsense and pfsense have plugins for that.

[limber mist]

Is very nice, :)

[lament coral]

but yeah, it complicated things. got a good friend of mine into HA 😄 she has a 10G fiber connection at home... but everything is in the same network 😄 and she always tells me it would be much easier if i dont seperate stuff

[limber mist]

Hehehe

[sand agate]

I don't trust iot devices enough to not separate it

[limber mist]

I gotta transfer my Google Home stuff to the IOT networks, but the one beside me has been on mute for months and I forget to unmute it...

[velvet horizon]

@lament coral posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/ijicuseyeg

[lament coral]

oh shit, i forgot 😄

[limber mist]

Hehe, whoops.

Thanks for the advice though, :)

[lament coral]

and use the websocket to integrate zwavejs into ha.
you will manage all the z wave devices on an administrational level.
you will get a lot of services btw, so you could already create a heimdall container for the dashboard 😄

[sand agate]

I'm out, good to talk with you @lament coral

[lament coral]

got quite outta hand

@sand agate have a good one!

[limber mist]

Wow,

Gosh I got lots to learn!

[lament coral]

well, i had some help setting everything up. 2 good friends of mine were in discord with me for hours 😄
Started setting up the network in opnsense, configuring the switches... integrating the old network so stuff still works until i migrated... then i set up my proxmox, my unifi controller, and then of course docker.

[limber mist]

I do have a friend who has a big nice HA setup, too

[lament coral]

haha, so he got you into HA 😄

[limber mist]

Yeah, he made me interested, :P

[lament coral]

i recently got a friend of mine into HA and she is complaining how much she's spending already.
so if you dont want to waste a lot of money, heres a tip:
leave this discord. best, create a new discord account.
uninstall home assistant, no, get rid of your server.
go to the bar of your choice and get blackout drunk, so that you dont remember anything.

[limber mist]

Ahahaha

[lament coral]

i look into my aliexpress order history and yeah 😄

[limber mist]

I've already spend 300$, I'm already in XD

[lament coral]

it's doomed.

[limber mist]

Never mind my home networking setup can proably total 2000$ already...

[lament coral]

ok, i then have to give you my quick what to buy and what not to buy if you want 😄

[limber mist]

Sure, that would be helpful, :P

[lament coral]

i have a 70qm flat and i got 50 or 60 smart devices it feels like

the most important thing is: learn from others, dont make your own mistakes, you will already make many

for main light switches, i went with zwave. because i like the idea of it. the protocol is a standard. the devices are usually a bit more expensive, they have to be certified, blabla. but not all are equal, im from europe, i started with fibaro dimmers, now i buy aeotec dimmers and switches. why? firmware upgrades. fibaro dont release them, you can only update with their hub. aeotec does.

[limber mist]

I'm from Canada, so my options are a little more limited. However, I did buy an Aeotec electricity reader thingy

[lament coral]

Inovelli gets recommended a lot

Germany here 😄 1am
Achtung, hier spricht Berlin.

[limber mist]

Ontario Canada, :)

[lament coral]

i have a lot of ambient lights. for those i dont need to have a mains switch. they are always on. so i buy a bulb. because zwave bulbs are much more expensive... and i cant be arsed to spent more for the same effect in the end... so i buy zigbee bulbs. ikea sells them quite cheap and they work very good. you could also use your hue bulbs, if you still have them

[limber mist]

Love my Hue for lighting, so I can stick with that

Hue is Zigbee, so it's like I own Zigbee lights, :P

[lament coral]

then you will want a zigbee stick. which is a bit complicated.
i can only recommend you to directly start with zigbee2mqtt. yes, there is ZHA, with this you can directly attach a zigbee stick to HA and let it controll the zigbee network.
but with zigbee2mqtt you can do more stuff, it supports more modules, and it was the best decision to switch to it.
check their documentation to check which one to get. i got the one from Slaesh, but i guess shipping would be expensive, as he is from germany.

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/getting_started/what_do_i_need.html

you have to decide where you want to run your zigbee and zwave sticks.
theoretically you could still use your hue bridge, but it has advantages if you can controll the zigbee network directly.

[hushed basalt]

Have any of you ever had a good outcome for changing your power plan from a flat rate to a on peak/off peak plan

Currently pay 30c/kwh flat, but considering changing to a plan that does 15/30/50c off/shoulder/peak

But I suspect I'll need to be smarter about my solar usage

I think I'll set up house and solar power monitoring and model the what ifs retroactively

[glacial knot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AbsoluteUnits/comments/q60ruw/pile_of_chunky_raccoons_receives_eviction_notice/ if they ever try to close this channel D:

[static schooner]

Even raccoons aren't safe from the effects of the pandemic

[glacial knot]

they are not socially distant

[slender axle]

Hopefully someone can answer, seems like the #zwave-archived channel is kinda dead. But I'm in the process of migrating from deprecated to z-wave JS. S0 Key (Legacy), I'm assuming that's the network key it's been using, but without the 0x's and squished together? It's also asking for S2 Access Control Key, S2 Authenticated Key, as well as S2 Unauthenticated Key. I haven't found any documentation about this yet (might be blind as a bat)...

[glacial knot]

it's been active. It's just 5am in most of the relevant world

people here aren't payed to answer questions. While we try, there's no guarantee to get any answer. .At all, and even less in a couple minutes, or hours
don't cross post out of topic, don't spam channels. Just wait for a while. And if there's nothing in a day, try to post in a busier time

[slender axle]

There certainly seems to be a trend of talking down to people here. I do realize how the internet and timezones work. But yeah, alright, thanks for your excellent input.

[steep kindle]

Hi all! What do you suggest as kiosk solution for a RPI 2? Only has to open a webbrowser with given URL. No WiFi and no touch input.

[hushed basalt]

Screenly

@steep kindle

[dusky plank]

801Flickering329#4110

[ashen topaz]

Got another on like this from BTC-COMBO#0151

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

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[clever mortar]

We need a screenshot of the message too

(and when you're done, don't forget to use Discord's new Spam button)

[ashen topaz]

done 😉 hat to find out how to reread the blocked message

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@strong kraken There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

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[clever mortar]

We need the handle too

[last dirge]

there's MORE new stuff now?

[strong kraken]

i reported it as spam and don't know how to get the handle

[midnight adder]

Hello, just a question... do you consider that android / ios app notifications are enough from HA especially when having to rely on it as an alarm system or you wold implement a more robust solution such as SMS that can notify you in areas with low signal and you don't have to worry about android delaying notification ? Thanks 😄

[bitter pawn]

i heard in australia this will get you arrested.

[glacial knot]

according to our aussies on calls, they are pretty strict at least

[languid raven]

Don't throw away TicTac containers! They make great storage cases for D1 Minis and Node MCUs (if you don't have easy access to a 3d printer). 🙂

[hot merlin]

I should get a 3d printer. Or make friends with someone who has one. I have a couple ESP things around the house just hanging loose by wires. 😮

Also, thanks to home assistant this is the latest I've ever turned on the boiler to heat my house!

Prior to this it was Sept 23rd. I have my two pellet stoves automated with ESP8266s now. Sure, I could have put them on thermostats or regular timers prior to this, but I didn't. Here's to saving heating oil.

[glacial knot]

how does HA help there? More devices that emit heat all year? 😂

[hot merlin]

ha, yeah that might factor into it. 😄

Also, I'm sure all of us staying home every day doing work/school from home helps.

[glacial knot]

I need to get a smart meter
so I can check if my smart home uses more or less energy than running it dumb 😄

[hot merlin]

And maybe climate change gets the assist? Or just annual variation, who knows.

but yeah, latest since we bought the house in 2007.

When I got my solar panel setup I got a meter that tracks what we generate and what we use, so that's handy.

I should be air drying all our laundry, to make the biggest dent in our power usage.

I live in the subarctic and they still design and build houses like we're down south.

My dryer just vents the hot air outside, for example. wtf

[clever mortar]

You won't get an answer in this channel as it'd be off topic, but #integrations-archived could help you

[hot merlin]

Maybe it's better not to know. 😄

[last dirge]

as opposed to blasting ridiculously humid air into the house?

[hot merlin]

Or running it through something to reclaim the heat first before venting, yeah.

I think there's something that does that. Or also dryers that use less heat.

I feel like I'm not making that up (?)

[clever mortar]

Condensing dryer

We have one - warms the house for sure, but doesn't add humidity

[hot merlin]

We also happen to be a very arid climate where I can just air dry my clothes indoors year round no problem, so I should be doing that.

[last cedar]

FTX ventillation system!

But that is for a whole building, not just a single appliance

[hot merlin]

thanks!

[clever mortar]

Can I just point you at https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/ before you continue

[dense yoke]

Anyone that can point me into a good guide on building my own customer components. The official document is good for getting started, but there's still a lot of terminology that leaves me stuck at where to start :/ I have knowledge of somewhat Python, but mostly is scripts and single files. Current desire is to setup an iperf server that uses endpoints put in the config to regulary start inhome performance speedtests...

[clever mortar]

https://developers.home-assistant.io/ is the starting point

After that see the #developers channel

[worn plank]

My K40 laser cutter arrived today 😎

Well, yesterday

[dull locust]

How do you change colours in the mobile app

[clever mortar]

By setting a theme in the #frontend-archived - as mentioned in the channel topic there's no support in this channel

[dull locust]

Cheers pal, just thought it might be off tech topic

[brisk glen]

Stupid Python releases

[burnt cave]

can someone sanity check my plan of exposing some of my home services to the public? Idea currently is to use a wireguard tunnel between my home network through the router and VPS, then use nftables on the VPS to portforward stuff on my home network.

main thing I want is for my home network to not get jacked up if somebody decides to ddos my public stuff

i need to forward stuff not on port 80/443 so cloudflare is out

[glacial knot]

That should work, yes
If they find something to dos the service itself(either a large network or bug in your service), they can still dos you over that
So you should protect the ports as well and maybe drop the forward at some threshold of bullshit

[burnt cave]

sure, i would still implement some protection VPS side

but nothing can stop them from clogging up the pipes no matter how much client side mitigation you do

[glacial knot]

Personally, I’d be too lazy to do that, since my threat-model is very tiny

[burnt cave]

gamers are dicks

they'll ddos your servers all the damn time

had to call comcast a few times to get IP changes back when I hosted a CS:S server lol

vps provider is much easier to interact with than comcast customer service

[glacial knot]

Ahh, right. You can’t do that easily on your side or the puddle

[burnt cave]

esp when the customer service rep doesn't know what an IP or ddos means

anyway good to know my strategy will probably work

[glacial knot]

Yea. I’m happy that it takes me a minute to cycle IP^^

[burnt cave]

other big question is

this would work fine with ipv6 I assume?

i've been slow to adapt so it's hard to get out of everything being under NAT mindset

[glacial knot]

“Officially” IPv6 doesn’t do address translations like that
But afaik all sane network tools still support it, and it should work

[burnt cave]

as long as it doesn't expose my IP

[glacial knot]

You don’t have one IP anymore with v6

[burnt cave]

as long as it doesn't expose my IPs

haven't migrated yet, waiting to switch my ISP to AT&T fiber here in a few weeks

so I've been trying to research all the ipv6 stuff

[glacial knot]

You don’t have it yet?
I’ve had both for ages

[burnt cave]

i've had the option for a while but never turned it on

none of my stuff is set up for ipv6

and I'm still not quite sure how the dhcp situation works

[glacial knot]

Router requests network instead of address
Then that’s the pool to delegate
Done

SLAAC is a bit more complicated
But also doesn’t matter for most settings

[burnt cave]

so how does the modem/gateway work?

does it just get assigned the first IP in the block or something?

[scenic radish]

Every device that supports ipv6 gets a global (routable) ipv6 address

Assuming the device, network hardware, and ISP all support ipv6 of course

[burnt cave]

right

but how do those addresses get handed out

i know you get a block usually /64 or something

with ipv4 ISP DHCP hands out the modem/gateway addr

[scenic radish]

Depends on your ISP. SLAAC is one such method

[burnt cave]

but how does that work with the block you get with ipv6?

[glacial knot]

Usually you’d request an ip for yourself and a subnet to delegate

[burnt cave]

so the IP your modem gets is separate from your block?

[glacial knot]

Router can assign the lowest usable ip from the net to itself as well, but that’s on the downstream port

[burnt cave]

networking is still basically black magic to me despite doing this stuff for years lol

[glacial knot]

I’d have to check what my router currently got. But iirc the ip on the upstream interface was outside the block, yes

[burnt cave]

good to know

[scenic radish]

Yeah, mine is a /128 that's outside the four subnets I requested

[burnt cave]

I would assume that's how ATT will work

[glacial knot]

I also recommend you don’t do the mistake I did for way to long
And confuse the subnet length of your interface with the size of the subnet to delegate your router gets

[burnt cave]

presumably the former is much smaller

[scenic radish]

You'd be hard pressed to even come close to the max number of IP addresses in those subnets though

[burnt cave]

lol yeah I'd need to be running a large corporation in my house or something

i do wonder

[scenic radish]

Several large corporations within several houses within several mansions

[burnt cave]

what about airgapped devices like IP cams

just hand out addresses and firewall em?

was going to pick up some of those hikvisions

[scenic radish]

Or just don't set up ipv6 on whatever vlan they're on

[burnt cave]

or that

seems like it would be easier to go full 6 and not dual stack tho

less to maintain

[glacial knot]

Yea, I’d recommend IPv4 or link-local only for internal networks

Still some parts of the internet that don’t do v6 :/

[scenic radish]

Dual stack is nice for remote access though

[burnt cave]

hmm

well I'm sure I'll figure it out after I beat my head against it long enough

[glacial knot]

Which reminds me
I don’t have v6 at home right now 😄
Since I don’t know if it’ll remove my public v4 address
Since the default setup my isp runs is v6 and CGNAT v4

[scenic radish]

ew, CGNAT

[glacial knot]

And when I switched from their shitbox to a usable router, I got a public v4, but no v6 address allocated

[scenic radish]

what router

[glacial knot]

Theirs or my current one?

[scenic radish]

current one

[glacial knot]

apu2e4 with arch^^

[burnt cave]

i need a new router

[scenic radish]

ah nice. edgerouter x over here

[burnt cave]

i'm still rolling an asus rt ac66u

some of that mikrotik hardware is looking pretty appealing

and I wouldn't have to flash it to get proper features

[glacial knot]

I got 2 Mikrotik WiFi cards in the apu

[burnt cave]

i'm probably gonna snag one of those hap ac2s

my house is small enough I don't need separate WAPs

KISS

he says, self hosting everything

[astral galleon]

hey 👋 home assistant seems cool, but I'm not really creative. So what do you guys use it for?

[clever mortar]

Home automation, and stuff around the home, and things that aren't homes

[astral galleon]

more specifically?

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/search?q=topic%3Ahome-assistant-config&type=Repositories

All the usual smart home stuff, fish tanks, plants, commercial buildings, etc etc etc

It's a bit like what do you use your tools for, the answer is going to be very varied

(HA is pretty much a tool kit)

[orchid rose]

Think of things you do all the time and see if you can find a way to automate it

[astral galleon]

I guess I'm just not sure what all would be useful for me

[clever mortar]

I started with garden lighting

[astral galleon]

I've got smart lights, Chromecast, nest mini, and I'm running media server type softwares

[clever mortar]

From there it's just kinda grown arms, legs, tentacles, and other things

For example, if it gets dark in the living room while we're using it then the lights will come on (and off again if it becomes brighter or we stop using the room)

[orchid rose]

My first ones were centered around media. Lights automatically turning off when I watch something and turning on when I pause it and so on

[astral galleon]

so what kind of sensors are in place for that? or is it based on local time and if anything is playing

I'd have to see if it works, cause my Chromecast has been weird, but the pausing and lights changing thing could be neat

[orchid rose]

You can use sun angles for what Tinkerer said (that's what I do), but that's a half-solution as clouds and curtains exist. There are lux sensors for a better solution

[clever mortar]

The light sensors are way better - I have quite a few

The way I approached it at first was simple - and as Mr K said - look at the things you do repeatedly and then automate them

[astral galleon]

stay up way too late and sleep through the day and miss important stuff

[orchid rose]

bed occupancy sensor has honestly been one of the most useful ones for me

[astral galleon]

what do you do with that

[orchid rose]

Turn off everything when I go to bed, warns me if I don't have my phone charging, turns on some night lights if I wake up at night so I can go to the bathroom, turns on everything when I wake up

I should make it play a news stream in the morning too, but haven't set it up yet

[astral galleon]

how expensive was the sensor?

[astral galleon]

Whenever I've tried something like that, i end up too annoyed by it when it actually happens so I turn it off

[orchid rose]

DIY for like 10$ I think. Not the nicest looking build I've done lol

[astral galleon]

is it visible?

[orchid rose]

no

[astral galleon]

did you use an Arduino or something

[orchid rose]

weight sensors under the mattress

ESP8266

[astral galleon]

Oddly that sounds familiar 🤓

oh yeah okay I've see that before

[orchid rose]

Oh the first iteration woke me up multiple times in the middle of the night when I turned from one side of the bed to the other

[astral galleon]

you have a picture of your project?

I was about to ask how reliable it was 😂

Do you never lay in bed not to sleep?

or just sit on your bed

[orchid rose]

I don't have pics but you can google for similar ones

[astral galleon]

bruv I'm tired 😂

[orchid rose]

I put a condition on it that it only triggers in the night and in the morning so I can lay on it during the day without it thinking I'm gonna sleep now. Works for me but as always YMMV

[astral galleon]

OH, setting alarms to only work when I'm in bed would be cool

I hate going to have a shower in the morning, and coming out to my alarm cause other people are trying to sleep

[orchid rose]

If you use your phone for the alarm that should be easy enough as well

[astral galleon]

I'm too inconstant for that to work, it's 1 45 am rn and I'm bed

[astral galleon]

I do not lol

I use a nest mini for alarms, but I've been considering building a replacement

[orchid rose]

lol yeah you might need a different solution but you can usually figure something out

There is some integration for google alarms I think unless Google broke it again

not sure if you can delete them, but you can read them at least 🤔

[astral galleon]

Is there any integration with jellyfin?

(not alarms)

it's a media server like plex

[orchid rose]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/

[clever mortar]

And if not there, Google 😄

[orchid rose]

if that fails, then try google or even the discord search. There are often other solutions

in this case a custom component

[astral galleon]

well I should just start up a container and play with it for a bit

I don't think I looked at integrations much last time

[orchid rose]

Start small and go from there

[astral galleon]

well it's up and running so down the rabbit hole I go

[light trout]

https://hacs.xyz/default_repositories (ctrl+f => "jellyfin") => https://github.com/koying/jellyfin_ha

[summer notch]

iam searching for these light bulbs that change color temperature if they get dimmed. somebody know how they are called?

[young sigil]

#hardware-archived

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Amber see #yellow-archived, and #330990055533576204 for the Blue. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

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[clever mortar]

There's a channel for the #ios_and_mac-archived app

[unborn fable]

Thanks, I'll try there again.

[clever mortar]

again 🤔

[velvet horizon]

@unborn fable Please DO NOT cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond.

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[wooden egret]

i wonder if NSPanel from Itead will eventually be hacked to run some form of HA

[clever mortar]

Display, maybe

[wooden egret]

oh yeah

but idk can ESP32 run a browser?

Maybe if it's prerendered. There are things out there that render webpages on the host and then send them to the client in an simplified format

so that for instance you can watch Youtube under Windows 98 in IE5

i hate that Itead doesn't add pin headers for gpio
it add cents to the cost of the device but makes it so much easier to flash

[scenic radish]

Ehh, duponts work fine

[wooden egret]

the contact is not as reliable tho

[scenic radish]

I haven't had any issues 🤷‍♂️

But yes, it does require you to hold it or angle it well

[lament coral]

Hey guys, wassup?

[scenic radish]

gas prices

[lament coral]

Rent, inflation

[scenic radish]

fourth item

[lament coral]

:D

How do you guys manage your ssh connections. I'm at the point where I can't remember Passwords of my machines and using root login via Password is also not secure at all. What do I have to Google for?

[scenic radish]

public key auth

[lament coral]

Bastion host?

Ok

But do I get this right. The idea is to have a machine somewhere where you store all the keys and you connect to that host to go to the ssh hosts?

[scenic radish]

no

you generate a public/private keypair on the device you want to use to connect to a remote host, then add the public key to the remote host's authorized_keys file

[lament coral]

That's easier!

[scenic radish]

and repeat as needed

[lament coral]

Well, this could be a VM that i protect... Maybe I even set up 2FA :D

[brisk glen]

Ehh, with a strong enough key

As long as you don’t put the priv key in stupid places

[burnt cave]

anyone here run freeipa?

[hushed basalt]

WSL2 really does turn your computer into a potato

[last cedar]

Electric and fuel too

Horrible

[glacial knot]

I wonder what the effect of COVID was on raccoon population

[gray root]

positive

many urban critters have flourished during covid. some from lower traffic levels, others from ample food supplies (people eating more, and thus throwing more in the trash)

bird populations increased because there was less human generated noise drowning out their mating calls

Google it.

[glacial knot]

google brought up nothing useful

[umbral cliff]

Hey everyone! Am new here & to HA generally (very early start to a smart home). Wondering what everyone’s favourites integration has been whilst they’ve been using it?

[light trout]

logger

[glacial knot]

history

[hushed basalt]

sensor.raccoons

[stoic kindle]

Just got given a gift of AU$1000 from work. I was thinking of upgrading from the Rpi4 to an ODROID-N2+ getting a couple of security cameras and spending a bit at IKEA. Any other ideas?

[light trout]

Start an emu farm

[stoic kindle]

That is an idea

[glacial knot]

Frigate setup with accelerator if you are getting cams

[hushed basalt]

What's your savings situation like

I'd base your splurge spending based on a percentage of your disposable income. Not based off what happens to fall into your lap

[stoic kindle]

It's for 25 years with the company and the condition is I spend it on myself as a treat. I never treat myself. Wait. Take back. I have never spent serious money on something for me.

[umbral cliff]

Now this is an idea I also support

Also stationary where do you get your smart home stuff in australia? Seems like it’s impossible to find a decent range

[stoic kindle]

So far it's been mostly esphome homebrew.

Spewing the IKEA globes are all E27. All my fittings are B22.

[green inlet]

Hookers and blow

[hushed basalt]

Blackjack and hookers

https://c.tenor.com/kHz7gGgbuocAAAAM/bender-futurama.gif

[stoic kindle]

All purchases must be approved by the domestic chief financial officer.

[stoic kindle]

OK take my money. I want Frigate. I didn't know that was a thing until now.

Person 91%! Ha. My friends and I wouldn't score over 20% https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate/blob/master/docs/static/img/media_browser.png

[orchid rose]

Just make sure you have a free m.2 slot on whatever machine you'll end up getting. Those USB Coral sticks seem to be impossible to find

[last cedar]

I personally have flourished. I weigh 2x as much and have 27x the number of doormats

[orchid rose]

I would have thought stealing doormats would get significantly more difficult with people working from home

or more dangerous at least

[umbral cliff]

But if people are never going outside wouldn’t that also make it the best time?

[worldly sierra]

I have temp / humidity in every room. currently mostly interest but will find some uses soon enough 😄

[glacial knot]

The mold #integrations-archived could be interesting

[hushed basalt]

Humidity is very important

Especially for bathrooms, laundries, wardrobes, pantries etc

Your open living spaces won't change a huge amount though

Other than if they're different temperatures

[umbral cliff]

What’s the best way to do temperature/ humidity sensors?

Just buying one or making your own?

[green inlet]

Imho, unless you just want to tackle the DIY, they are usually so cheap it’s not worth the hassle, but #diy-archived would be a better place to discuss.

[vast tusk]

either that or a full-size PCI-E to m.2 adapter board

That's what I'd do if I had IP cameras. My current set-up lives on a raspberry pi but I plan to move it back to my proxmox host once I can move it to my new place.

[orchid rose]

Yeah unfortunately the minipcs rarely have a full-size pci-e so either you'll get an SSD or the Coral. Either way I'm screwed 👎

[vast tusk]

I guess most folks don't run HASS on a proxmox hypervisor then 🙂

Maybe there's some kind of thunderbolt to m.2 adapter available?

[static schooner]

Sonnettech

Not cheap

[vast tusk]

looks awesome tho

[static schooner]

I’ve used one of their boxes at work

[vast tusk]

Their mac pro rack mounting solution looks kinda futuristic

Still, the trashcan macpro design is kinda silly

[edgy path]

Did somebody change the phone on the frontpage of home-assistant.io ?

[orchid rose]

Now that you mention it, you're probably right

[bitter pawn]

needs more raccoon gifs

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mobbed-raccoons-raccoon-sausages-man-gif-19231249

all your sausage are belong to me

[static schooner]

that was a FINGER!

[last cedar]

ARM

my upper body

they are so polite though, waiting

and none of them look like they are starving, chonkers the lot of them

That is peak evolution

the current apex predator

of sausages

[uncut schooner]

I spend almost an hour hunting ghosts (turning on my motion sensor) just to find that I left a remote in my back pocket.
How is Your day?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[crisp sapphire]

Has anyone here tried pushing home assistant with lots of component updates/sec?
If so, how well did it handle?

Like 10 components each updating as fast as possible.

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@crisp sapphire There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Amber see #yellow-archived, and #330990055533576204 for the Blue. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[uncut schooner]

My router and transport integrations are spamming state_change's hard that it drives me crazy whenever I have to use DevTools > events to debug this event type.

But that is probably still far from the limit.

[crisp sapphire]

didnt know that was considered support.

Sorry.

[clever mortar]

The answer, clearly, will depend in part on the hardware you using - a Pi Zero will fall over far sooner than a Xeon

[last cedar]

@crisp sapphire Mine is running on a pi, it struggles running itself, let alone a lot of components 🤣

[crisp sapphire]

ig i was unclear. Yes hardware is a major factor, but afaik the high level nature of the stack will cripple it way before the hardware does.

[clever mortar]

Try #general-archived

[uncut schooner]

The only time I hit limits is probably when I f*** up and do an infinite loop in automation 😆

[crisp sapphire]

Mine's on a pi 4 4gb and runs fine. Although the addition of a usb attached ssd did kill performance quite a bit

Even though im using the 3.0 ports

[last cedar]

Mine is a 2 iirc, it has as much power as a pocket calculator

[crisp sapphire]

Lol

2.. jesus

"Pocket calculator" gave me flashbacks to Linus water cooling a TI

No wonder its struggling. A pi 2 running home assistant 😂

Put it out of its misery

[last cedar]

Can't, need the other system to be in prod

waiting for the winter, when I can't be outside to work

Also wondering if I should have it on 1 box, or grab another machine for dockers etc, and just have truenas on the NAS

It "only" has 32GB RAM (maxed) so it may be a little too little

other side is, I am not a power user, so it will probably be fine

[orchid rose]

This made me laugh. Sounds like I'm not alone in my stupidity 😂

Yesterday I was debugging my AV system to find out the issue just to find out an hour later that I had plugged in the HDMI in an input instead of an output

[last cedar]

omg

painful

[bitter pawn]

#selfown

[orchid rose]

Who hasn't been on that boat smh... Right... right? 👀

[scenic radish]

I mean, i don't know if I spent an hour, but I did something similar with my Xbox at one point

[orchid rose]

As for my excuse it's not the only problem with my system as the cable seems to have deteriorated over time causing some problems

[crisp sapphire]

The age-old question: containerize or use diff machine.

[bitter pawn]

pi all the things

because #reasons

[crisp sapphire]

Nahfam gonna use portainer and have one pi host as many things as possible until the hardware is saturated (with resonable margins)

efficiency++;

[green inlet]

🙋🏼

[jade tartan]

there anything to throw a tracking number in and have it display expected package arival date?

[glacial knot]

depends on your parcel service

but I'm unsure if there's anything that just takes a number, figures out who's shipping it, and then redirecting to that

[jade tartan]

usps

huh you'd think there would be

[glacial knot]

never had to deal with usps ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade tartan]

https://www.packagetrackr.com

this site does the whole, recognize the number and sich

[hushed basalt]

17 degrees on Wednesday and 32 degrees today

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/aftership/

Command '.aftership' was invoked by: mstone

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/seventeentrack/

Command '.seventeentrack' was invoked by: mstone

[last cedar]

If it had 64GB RAM it would be a no brainer. But 32GB for all containers and zfs is a bit smol maybe?

[crisp sapphire]

Yes

[last cedar]

I make do with 16GB now

[crisp sapphire]

smøl

[last cedar]

And it saturates gigabit, idea is to go to 10gb but no real use for it

[jovial chasm]

i´m trying to detect if my cats sit on the entrance door and want to be let in. I am running doods for Computer Vision and this works great but what do i doo when it is dark outside? Is there any other way to detect a cat?

[worldly sierra]

most cctv cameras have infrared led's, if your does not you can install an infrared led light in the area and it will be lit up.

random google result: https://www.larsonelectronics.com/category/318/Infrared-LED-Lights

[last cedar]

Leave lots of objects on edges and a microphone. When they start getting yeeted, there is a cat there.

[glacial knot]

bonus points if that lets wild animals in 🙂

I wonder if the infrared is in a range that animals can see, and blinds/disorients them

[last cedar]

Better way to do it is a cat operated keypad, for entry

[glacial knot]

pressure sensor where the cat usually sits

which reminds me, I wanted to get 4 of them and put them under my bed
so I don't have to step on a scale anymore, but can teach HA to tell me to go on a diet

[static schooner]

Is that a keypad where all the keys are behind tiny openings like you often see with reset buttons? Only accessible by critters with claws?

[last cedar]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/raccoons-hands-creepy-horror-deep-gif-8584315

Like this

[jovial chasm]

thiefs be like: printing out pictures of cats to open my door

ok, nvm. Cats are not correctly identified

[glacial knot]

doesn't say "overlord", clearly wrong

[static schooner]

Catwoman

[torpid spire]

Can some help me with how to copy and paste from github? Whenever there is an example on a wiki its looks like- type: vertical-stack cards: - type: 'custom:button-card' color_type: label-card color: rgb(44, 109, 214) name: Kitchen - type: horizontal-stack But that spacing never works for me and I have to delete some white space.

[bitter pawn]

so @last cedar

you might find this entertaining

a customer was like "Please log into our VMS and export video of any movement between x hours. we believe we can find the times 2 houses got robbed and we want their license plates"

and what shows up on the camera feeds?

raccoon be stealing things yo.

time to call the popo

[somber osprey]

Hi everyone, i have an idea that i want to explain and maybe get some tips/directions on, which channel would be the best for that?

just some brainstorming

[jade tartan]

got everything i think, gona try flashing the s31 to tasmota

wish me luck

[last cedar]

YEAH

[last cedar]

You found my profile!

[bitter pawn]

good luck

[last cedar]

Probably atart in #general-archived unless it is something specific!

[jade tartan]

uh

no idea which bin file is current

but im proud of my hacky no solder option

is there someone who might know why i cant see the ftdi in esp easy flasher?

[jade tartan]

somewhere there is a failure in connection

[hot merlin]

Has it ever worked? You may just need to have the right driver.

[jade tartan]

1st time ever trying to to flash an outlet to tasmota

so this outlet is fresh out the box

[bitter pawn]

sorry @jade tartan we are only good for raccoon gifs and pics here in off-topic

[jade tartan]

ok i'd like a pic of the cutest racoon please @bitter pawn

[bitter pawn]

https://c.tenor.com/uPfjI_cFQ1sAAAAM/raccoon-love.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/SQnobvQVxeRK8/giphy.gif

[jade tartan]

thankyou

i got it working also

[bitter pawn]

congrats

it was the power of the raccoon

[jade tartan]

it was

now i just have to config them?

[bitter pawn]

probably?

[jade tartan]

is there an intigration to just config straight from HA?

[bitter pawn]

i think tasmoto is web based

so you just make sure its how you want it then enroll into HA? idk for sure never done it.

[jade tartan]

oh np, thx tho

[peak mountain]

Anyone have a Mac mini running Ubuntu?

I'm having issues with stability on wifi

(yes I know wifi isn't the best option but it's all I have so D:)

[jade tartan]

oh wait, it uses mqtt, god, ive been avoiding that because it seems like a sink hole of complexity

[burnt cave]

how old?

[peak mountain]

2015? I think?

[burnt cave]

does it use broadcom drivers?

i had a 2009 that used broadcom and I ended up just using ethernet

[peak mountain]

Oh that might be it

Any other fixes that you know of? I don't have access to Ethernet

[scenic radish]

It seems more complicated than it really is

[jade tartan]

well i got to the part where the tasmoadmin is working and see's the plug and such

i just need to properly configure mqtt i think

because the tasmota intigration didnt auto discover the plug yet

[scenic radish]

Yeah, you need to set up an MQTT broker, connect HA to it, and add your MQTT info to the tasmota devices

Then they should automagically appear in HA

[jade tartan]

i got misquitto installed

[scenic radish]

Tasmoadmin isn't necessary btw

I have 55+ tasmota devices and use tasmobackup to back up the device configs

Ugh, that sounds disgusting when I say that

[jade tartan]

lol

know any good videos for getting mqtt going for a beginner?

[scenic radish]

Current count is 58. Good lord

Unfortunately not. I prefer reading to learn about stuff

[jade tartan]

i'd be good with a good guide

i just need textual or video hand holding, im scurred

[scenic radish]

Jumping to #general-archived

Made a fun discovery. The rtl-433 package on debian 11 makes my server overheat and shut down 🎉

back onto one of my raspberry pis it goes

[forest edge]

rtl 433 has a memory leak

[scenic radish]

no u

[jade tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266397803322802176/898741793540153394/20211015_211849.jpg

halp

i.e. do all the work for me

[hushed basalt]

Have you tried not being shit

[scenic radish]

https://c.tenor.com/zgcguV78RKYAAAAM/excuse-me.gif

[brazen abyss]

@jade tartan I find ESPHome easier to integrate with HA and easier in general to understand than Tasmota. That being said, for Tasmota... You need an mqtt broker, as suggested above, and the mosquitto add-on could be a good option, fairly easy to set up directly in HA, and instructions available on the add-on description. You need the MQTT Integration in HA configured, and then you need to point your Tasmota device to your mqtt broker (host, port, user, password). If you are using a recent version of Tasmota this should be about it, but detailed instructions here https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/tasmota/ and https://tasmota.github.io/docs/Home-Assistant/

[subtle pasture]

The issue I've always had with ESPHome is the drastically more difficult device setup

Like, I built a custom garage door controller based around an ESP8266, and spent almost as much time fighting with getting ESPHome working on the thing as I did designing the PCB and physically building it

Switched over to Tasmota and had it working in about 20 minutes >.>

[last cedar]

Great advert for Tasmota

I think this is where the community falls down tbh

Some stuff is just SO hacky to get it working, and it puts people off

Based on reading what you said Leapo, I wouldn't go the ESP route

[young sigil]

I prefer ESPHome. Much more powerful on device automation available than in Tasmota. I've never found it hacky or difficult.

[hushed basalt]

I'm an enterprise software engineer and work on billion dollar companies

And I found esphome a pita

The whole esp flashing in general is pretty miserable tbh

Zigbee for life.

And devices that don't want to fight you flashing them. Aka Shelly

[subtle pasture]

I've never found the on-device automation in Tasmota lacking, tbh...

And I don't need to re-flash the entire device to test my changes 😛

[young sigil]

#hardware-archived

[scenic radish]

This. Plus, tasmota device groups are pure magic

[young sigil]

TBH I haven't used Tasmota for quite some time. Sounds like it has changed quite a bit. There was no way it could create custom services to control my old theatre projector via it's serial port, like ESPHome can.

[quasi moss]

Hey I got my first smart device installed and automated.

[jade tartan]

i ended up getting the water sensor working under tas

i have to say for me, esp home would have been easier if my browser was using https and would flash from within the browser so i had to try to manually flash their file, but then forgot to define pin for the AO so i swaped to tas because you can define things after flash like tediore said

so like, this has opened my eyes, WHAT OTHER FIRMWARE CAN I HACK?

i wana open all the devices and flash them to something and gain all the functions

blakadder's repo has alot of devices but alot use tuya which all the new stuff prevents flashing it from what ive read

[dusky plank]

try a tuya cam

[scenic radish]

depends. if the device is ESP based but has the newer firmware, it can't be flashed with tuya-convert, but it can be serial flashed. if it's a non-ESP, you're out of luck entirely

of course, being able to serial flash an ESP-based device means...

1. the device can be disassembled (easily)
2. the board has either a module instead of an IC, or if it has an IC, there are pads for the required pins (VCC, GND, TX, RX, GPIO0)
3. the board doesn't use a TYWE2S mounted flat to the board, blocking GPIO0 which is on the back

[pure tundra]

there are also devices in the gray area like the SP108E which requires some trace cutting to get it to flash

[forest edge]

@scenic radishyou got you a fancy jig for flashing stuff at this point?

https://tenor.com/view/scientist-specialist-experiment-bravest-warrior-gif-12856459

[scenic radish]

nah

i usually solder or use electronic test leads (the clippy bois), but i have used an ESP-12 jig a few times. pretty slick

[gusty wraith]

oh my i just had a reconfiguration marathon...moving all my stuff from the miserable homematic ip AP cloud-it's-not-a-cloud-but-it-is to the raspberrymatic -.-

another lesson learned... don't trust advertisements...ever...no it's NOT working when the servers are unreachable for whatever reason....

[hearty depot]

lol Prof. Fartsparkle

[hearty depot]

what the hell, the amount of randomness is.. wow

[forest edge]

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/racoom-1623427599.jpg?crop=0.536xw:1.00xh;0.221xw,0&resize=480:*

[dense token]

Perhaps an odd question, but does anyone know of a home automation consultant available for hire that can advise on hardware choices for a new home build (I had an RTI system in my previous home that I programmed and maintained, but want to switch to HA) and after a bunch of research, it occurred to me to seek the advice of someone really experienced. I essentially want best in class of everything. Any help would be appreciated

[forest edge]

No such thing exists. There are plenty of people knowledgeable about many things but no one is a "grand master" of sorts especially when it comes to dealing with products that are not specifically made for HA. Your best bet is find an area you need some advise on and ask on the forums https://community.home-assistant.io/ for any suggestions. You'll soon realize that everyone likes different approaches to solving the same issues and you just need to pick the one you like the best.

[static schooner]

<quickly creates a Grand Master role>

[dense token]

lol

[lament coral]

hi guys

any1 here using the opnsense integration?

[dusky plank]

what do you need? #integrations-archived

[peak mountain]

Anyone know how to do this with css grid? I'm loosing my mind I can't figure it out
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364872546635481098/899143961753554954/31wWG42D0m.gif

[glacial knot]

perfect animation. Btw, is that on pseudo-transparent pattern grey? 😂

[peak mountain]

It's just google drawings lol

I've been googling this one thing for like 2 hours

ugh

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49764092/create-a-css-grid-that-flows-by-column-with-dynamic-columns-and-rows-based-on-c

maybe??

I can use flex omg

display: flex;
flex-wrap: wrap;

[last cedar]

It just keeps getting more expensive and involved from here on out! Hehe

[last cedar]

❤️

[glacial knot]

you are not supposed to tell people that

before the point of no return

[last cedar]

It is too late already

Soon their breathing will be a sensor in HA

And blinking

[glacial knot]

you joke, but I'd love to have a heart rate sensor 🤔

[peak mountain]

And then you end up spending 5 hours debugging css on your lovelace dashboard

[glacial knot]

I've not done that yet

[peak mountain]

You'll get there

In all seriousness, it's a fun hobby, just time-consuming

[last cedar]

My daily fitbit data would be nice to see on dashboard :)

[peak mountain]

Isn't there a fitbit integration?

[glacial knot]

For graphs, I push from HA to influx with grafana either way

Way better long term visualization

[last cedar]

Yupp!

But going to redo my HA sometime in the next 5 years

🤣

[pure tundra]

oof this should be in the pins

[tame sand]

flex is the way to go in so many cases now... centering is 100times easier

what happened to atxbyea actually? last time i checked he was most active in this channel and now he isn't even on the server anymore?

[young sigil]

There is but it's a bit shit. The authentication fails every month or so and you have to remove and re-add the integration.

[scenic radish]

Sounds like it's a bit of a bad fit

[scenic radish]

big brain

[last cedar]

Doormats, probably

[vast tusk]

It's gonna be challenging to integrate this lol

At least it's nice and warm now. I just installed it today, for lack of central heating

[glacial knot]

yea, I need to figure out if I want to retrofit every heater here D:

[vast tusk]

This already has some kind of mechanical thermostat

I'm kinda intrigued

It has zero electronics

[static schooner]

Mercury switch?

[vast tusk]

I have no clue

[static schooner]

Old thermostats used to work with a coil and mercury switch

[vast tusk]

Lemme snap a pic for you

I'm holding the temperature probe

It's attached with what looks like a small flexible copper tube

There's a nice solid click when the thermostat actuates, you can feel some change in turning resistance on the knob for the temperature setting

[vast tusk]

@dusky plank lol definitely don't smoke that

[wooden egret]

i think mechanical thermostat are operated by a spring of some sort that expands and retracts from temperature change

triggering the clicks

i found a very cool thing

https://a.aliexpress.com/_9jZR4B

rechargeable drop-in replacement for CR2032

you need to buy a charger specifically for this type of battery tho but mine looks super trivial

[scenic radish]

interesting...

wonder what the battery life is like though

[wooden egret]

i have put one in my ble temp sensor

we will see

[scenic radish]

no CR2450 version though 😢

[wooden egret]

Yeah lately i am avoiding devices with that type because of this

this charger looks suspiciously simple

it's just a pcb with a few resistors

maybe it doesn't require sophisticated charging technique like lithiums do

[wooden egret]

65 mah ML vs 220 mah CR

pretty bad but it's rechargeable

[scenic radish]

oofy oof

[worldly sierra]

anyone built / run docker images on pi? When I try build an image on the pi it seems to restart the network breaking the downloads of packages while building :/

[scenic radish]

that's... weird. i've built several of my own containers on a pi before

[worldly sierra]

fetch https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main/armhf/APKINDEX.tar.gz
3069449104:error:0D0D90AD:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_TIME_adj:error getting time:crypto/asn1/a_time.c:330:
3069449104:error:1416F086:SSL routines:tls_process_server_certificate:certificate verify failed:ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c:1914:
ERROR: https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/main: Permission deniedfetch https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community/armhf/APKINDEX.tar.gz

and then from the same terminal session: ```curl -o /dev/null https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.14/community/armhf/APKINDEX.tar.gz
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 1198k 100 1198k 0 0 1023k 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 --:--:-- 1024k

Right around the time it fails in the docker build (just where it starts doing things like apk add I see the following in dmesg. ```[250339.345532] eth0: renamed from veth786b84c
[250339.382799] docker0: port 1(veth6f39772) entered blocking state
[250339.382841] docker0: port 1(veth6f39772) entered forwarding state
[250342.716829] docker0: port 1(veth6f39772) entered disabled state
[250342.753165] veth786b84c: renamed from eth0