yeaahhh.... they are cheap though
#the-water-cooler
tame sand
night zodiac
All over. OVH, reliablesite, vultr, aws, hostvenom
I know hetzner is the big German one but I can't remember if I have ever used them
tame sand
yes they are. i need a new one actually in 1 month
but i would pay 3 times the money
for what i have now
forest edge
@scenic radish you shouldn't make fun of stroke victims.. thats rude!
night zodiac
Yeah, hard to judge server reviews. A lot of it is because they expect support
If you don't need support, a lot of times things are fine
scenic radish
@forest edge my bad
night zodiac
that's all right
gusty wraith
I know hetzner is the big German one but I can't remember if I have ever used th...
hetzner is the best IMHO
i run some vhosts there for web hosting but moved my exchange and stuff into my own box at home a few months ago. i figured the energy cost is lower than renting a dedicated server
tame sand
hpe stuff? which hardware?
forest edge
@clear ferry since 98? wtf were you making dildo's with before 3d printers and hosting the feed?
wait. i do not want to know
clear ferry
You should try living in a country with stable internet and few power outages you see @forest edge
@tame sand my stuff, all kinds of hardware
It's close to 25 years of history
forest edge
what has "stable internet" given you? followers that tire of watching trains and boats 24/7?
scenic radish
HPE 🤢
clear ferry
gusty wraith
gotta looove good ol' dl380 gen8
clear ferry
Gen8, what is this? 2012?
night zodiac
one of the machines I am using for a few docker containers was made in 2012 😛
gusty wraith
gotta piss with the d*ck you have, right? 😄
clear ferry
gusty wraith
this thing has been barely used
clear ferry
That is a decent amount of memory though
Although I'm fazed since I recently installed 32 x 256GB sticks 
gusty wraith
let's say it is quite... sufficient 🧐
night zodiac
gusty wraith
mostly running windows machines so memory is a huge selling point 🤣
exchange server 2016 requires 32gb of ram alone to work efficiently
clear ferry
So you can run three VMs you say
clear ferry
I've yet to see many installations of persistent memory though sadly
gusty wraith
the most important machine right now is the HA one 😄
uh oh and the sophos utm firewall appliance i forgot...
or as we say in germany: "wenn scheiße, dann mit schwung!"
so the server has been bought 2015 but the redundant rom is from 2014 which means the board was manufactured 2014
yaaaayyyy....
gusty wraith
yeah did that recently but it won't pick up the timestamp.... and i can't really be arsed to upgrade it until it picks it up in ILO..
clear ferry
That should be immediately after a reboot picked up
gusty wraith
nope....it tells correctly on the post screen but ILO not so much
clear ferry
Your smart array is year old too
gusty wraith
yup
clear ferry
Which to me looks like you are missing updates
gusty wraith
never change a running system...going full industrial here
clear ferry
🤢
gusty wraith
hehe...
clear ferry
Mmmmmm latent bugs
gusty wraith
i like to live dangerously
clear ferry
🤢
gusty wraith
nah it's safe
it has the proper firmware to handle SSDs correctly soooo no problem at all
clear ferry
As a HPE proliant server specialist
last dirge
SSDEEZ NUTS
clear ferry
No it's not safe
night zodiac
gusty wraith
yeah maybe i'll update the shit out of it at the end of the month when i have 3 days off...if i remember it
last dirge
you're running enterprise gear at home?
gusty wraith
sure
last dirge
lol
gusty wraith
why not 😄
last dirge
because it's expensive as balls just to idle it
gusty wraith
noo...not really... it's cheaper to pay the electricity bill than to rent a dedicated server
clear ferry
Not in countries with reasonable power prices @last dirge
$0.003 per kWh here most of the year 
last dirge
idling my PowerEdge 2950 with just 3 SAS drives was almost $40/month
gusty wraith
but eh...the servers at work are always up to date because i would face sanctions if they go titsup because of a bug or security related snafu...at home...as you can see...not so much
last dirge
nah, that's in the insulated cardboard box next to the server
clear ferry
Most months are $40 for me yeah, with a 252m2 house with all electric heating and cooking
last dirge
electric cooking 🤮
clear ferry
Gas 🤢
gusty wraith
i've got around 200€ a month for the whole house...my workstation takes up around 100€ of that bill...the server around 25€
scenic radish
Induction is nice...electric stove? No thanks
last dirge
until the "commercial" induction stuff can be had and installed in a home at a reasonable price, gas is the way
clear ferry
All new stuff has been induction here for the last.... 15 years
heavy ginkgo
there was a tiny induction stove when i was in paris, it was nice
hearty depot
Most software today is very much like an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves.
Alan Kay
there is some trouth
gusty wraith
i'm rolling induction for about a year now...so much better to cook on that but i'd love to have a gas stove because...FLAAAAAMES!
heavy ginkgo
well, i know for a fact there would be way more fires in our house with a gas stove lol
night zodiac
more?
last dirge
technically the truth
heavy ginkgo
yeah, there's already 2 teenagers cooking
if there were open flames i'd need more fire extinguishers
gusty wraith
ever since wifey decided to attempt to boil a bag of rice while the water stood on a totally different one....i decided it's best to buy an induction stove
hearty depot
scenic radish
Or a rice cooker
last dirge
Zojirushi FTW
gusty wraith
or this...there are ones that can be integrated into HA I've heard 🤣
"i want my rice at exactly 6pm every monday, tuesday, ..." 😄
heavy ginkgo
but how do you program HA to get the rice from the pantry into the cooker
heavy ginkgo
i have a feeling that it would not be wife approved
gusty wraith
maybe build a small hopper with pneumatic transport for the raw ingredients ... i can write PLC programs that do just that...just need to scale them down a tiny bit...
yeah you're probably right
last dirge
gotta rinse the rice tho
heavy ginkgo
"wtf is all this wire and shit in my pantry and kitchen?"
gusty wraith
hopper, pipe, y-valve, centrifuge, conveyor belt, rice cooker
night zodiac
heavy ginkgo
this project is cool https://www.instructables.com/Wood-Stove-Regulator/
night zodiac
deft pewter
gotta rinse the rice tho
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53me-ICi_f8
cedar chasm
You all are dreaming up some fantastic stuff but I have a rudimentary implementation of an HA rice cooker in production right now.
Cheapo basic Rice Cooker, a brand you haven't heard of,
A smart plug.
Input DateTime helper that feeds into an automation
deft pewter
But that's only the cooking, madaoZ. That doesn't automate the whole process 🤷♂️
We can all operate smart plugs.
hearty depot
not a terrible idea btw
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-find-new-way-of-cooking-rice-that-removes-arsenic-and-retains-nutrients/
last dirge
gotta get that fuzzy logic though
heavy ginkgo
arsenic? im not going to eat rice again!
gusty wraith
You all are dreaming up some fantastic stuff but I have a rudimentary implementa...
but what if i decide in transit that i would like to have brown rice ? how would you manage that? 😐
cedar chasm
Well, obviously everyone wants Doc's kitchen from Back to the Future
hearty depot
just wash it and you ll be fine
night zodiac
it don't taste right without arsenic
deft pewter
Arsenic? wtf? If there was enough arsenic in it to be harmful, we'd all be taught about the risks.
We're not... so I can only conclude it's bullshit.
gusty wraith
it is indeed
heavy ginkgo
heh
hearty depot
nah, every coulture understanding rice is washing it.
only because youre not know stuff does not mean that its bullshit 😛
heavy ginkgo
ever lost any hair ?
deft pewter
Not where it matters.
gusty wraith
i wash it so it doesn't get too sticky
heavy ginkgo
prolly dont even know its arsenic
hearty depot
ever heard of paracelsus?
deft pewter
i wash it so it doesn't get too sticky
That's just the starch though. No need to cook and replace water. Just rinse before cooking.
night zodiac
wet pilot
i rinse rice to get out the extra starch. that's it
deft pewter
Yup. Starch is all.
wet pilot
makes it cook better in a rice cooker
heavy ginkgo
im supposed to rinse rice??
deft pewter
Only if you want to...
deft pewter
If the water gets all congealed toward the end, there's too much starch.
gusty wraith
rinse, 1 cup of rice, 2 cups of rice, let it sit on low temperature for 20 minutes
profit.
gusty wraith
best. rice. ever.
heavy ginkgo
sometimes it only looks like theres no liquid left
deft pewter
You'll know when there's no liquid left because there's no more steam coming out 😉
Don't go by appearance. Use science.
night zodiac
same with waffles
deft pewter
While there's an element of art to cooking, it's mostly science.
gusty wraith
because we maybe had to? nooo that doesn't sound right either
heavy ginkgo
seems more like magic
clever mortar
It's great fun watching crazy scientists cook with science...
Ice cream in 3 seconds...
gusty wraith
yeah you get the point...its from portal of course
deft pewter
Ah, it is 'because we can'.
Aperture Science
We do what we must because we can
For the good of all of us
Except the ones who are dead
low harness
For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead
deft pewter
seems more like magic
Well that's the thing about advanced science. It's practically indistinguishable...
gusty wraith
i really enjoy cooking and the fact that it's 90% science and 10% slicing fingers with Japanese knives
low harness
That line summarizes apperture perfectly. "We do what we must because we can."
deft pewter
i really enjoy cooking and the fact that it's 90% science and 10% slicing finger...
Buying a santoku was the best thing I ever did for my kitchen.
gusty wraith
one knife to rule them all
deft pewter
And in the darkness, slice them.
gusty wraith
got that as a christmas present two years ago
almost cried
this is it... don't need another knife anymore and it's still sharp af ...crazy how long these keep their sharpness
deft pewter
Yeah. Mine's not expensive or anything but it's about the only knife I use now.
heavy ginkgo
i use a cheap chefs knife that the kids dull to hell
and i just keep re-sharpening it
gusty wraith
i dreamed of owning one of these but told myself that spending 400 bucks on a knife is a bit over the top
scenic radish
Dafuq
gusty wraith
yeah...that expensive.... wifey decided to ask my friends if they would participate and they all did... which is crazy ... but then again we do such things frequently. few years back we collected money for a friend so he could replace the exhaust on his car 😄
it was too silent i mean loud! 😄
anyway - downside is they now expect me to cook when they pay me a visit...dang
heavy ginkgo
cook them rice
cedar chasm
With your Rube Goldberg automatic rice cooker
gusty wraith
i'm quite lazy when it comes to this and just do some basic stuff like "cardiac arrest burgers" and ribs
it's all fun and games for up to 4 people but if there are 10 it's mass production time!
past pivot
any pros here willing to hold my hand and walk me through getting this thing set up? I have no clue what I am doing and don't know if I am jacking stuff up or what
clever mortar
Start by reading the channel topic 😉
(as the #rules told you to do - so if you missed that, you probably missed other important things)
Then, head over to your install method channel for help
night zodiac
someone is testing their house alarm near me. we woo we woo
clear ferry
deft pewter
Testing it or being burglarized?
night zodiac
well now i hear ploice
deft pewter
You're just gonna sit around and let them get robbed?
deft pewter
plaice?
clever mortar
Kipper!
night zodiac
eating with 1 hand
deft pewter
Not gonna ask what the other is doing.
deft pewter
I taste purple.
past pivot
Where is the FAQ? I see it mentioned but no channel or link?
clever mortar
It's linked in the #rules channel
If you only skimmed the page, you "may" have missed it 😉
past pivot
I see it now. Thank you for the direction
last cedar
@clear ferry how goes le print? :)
clear ferry
First have to create the topography
So have to learn Openstreetmap first
Then extract the needed
And model that as needed to something useful
past pivot
another print enthusiast?
deft pewter
You could say that. Most of his prints are pretty... phallic though.
past pivot
lmfao
clear ferry
past pivot
I'm deep into printing myself.
clear ferry
deft pewter
It's interesting to see his progress. I think he's up to 4 inch girth now.
past pivot
lmfao
deft pewter
Gonna need a bigger printer soon.
scenic radish
Ffs
deft pewter
I actually have a vest like that.
past pivot
I just ordered a Phrozen Mono Mighty 4k yesterday
last cedar
👀
deft pewter
I wasn't really Phrozen.
past pivot
Wife is going to be "mad" when that shows up. It's my 8th printer
deft pewter
@clear ferry ! I'm putting on Danger 5 now.
last cedar
@past pivot wasn't that the one you won, as a prize?
Or given for free?
I BELIEVE IT WAS
past pivot
Nope. Just bought it. Don't know what you mean
deft pewter
No. You won it.
last cedar
Yes
deft pewter
This is the official story. It's true.
last cedar
Isn't owo and uwu illegal around here? :)
deft pewter
Yes. Please.
scenic radish
deft pewter
Yeah... furries are freaks 😐
deft pewter
So... they're not actually talking German, are they?
Did they make up some fake German sounding language?
And I love the dogs 😄
clear ferry
Did you download the Austrian dub you say?
deft pewter
😮
deft pewter
This is so bad that I can't stop watching.
clear ferry
deft pewter
Yeah... I'm not going to bother with the rest of Danger 5. It was crap.
clear ferry
deft pewter
deft pewter
JavaScript, huh? A man of fine taste.
sand junco
As a Hassbian user.... how dead is Hassbian?
sand junco
Wow i think i accidentally stepped in a puddle of friendly.
deft pewter
Yes, some of us get annoyed at the endless stream of people that can't read #rules or channel topics.
You want #general-archived
sand junco
I certainly do not want this
deft pewter
👋
night zodiac
clear ferry
inland wigeon
Anyone got a JBL Link Music? On special here for about half a Google Nest Audio (and double a Nest Mini).
hushed basalt
Catching a bus outside the normal commuter times, some weird folks
hushed basalt
last dirge
WSL
scenic radish
lmao
clear ferry
hushed basalt
For the devs out there, what laptops do you use at work
clear ferry
"mAcBooKs"
clever mortar
I know some of the devs I work with have the Lenovo P1 - Xeon powered beasts
hushed basalt
Seems to be a heavy mix of macbooks from what I've seen
But occasional thinkpads or xps
jagged blade
Morning all
Where is the best place to ask around building redundancy for pi on SD cards
clear ferry
move to something else than a pi, instant upgrade of reliability and redundancy
jagged blade
So far I've created an image of the SD card
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
The topic says where to ask if you don't know 😉
jagged blade
Thanks
forest edge
need like a which command but more lengthy that covers more than just the installation method channels
I mean I know things change but would still be nice to have
clear ferry
Whatever you do don't talk to SonomaGTS
Better yet, put him on block for now
Bye girl
Command '.important' was invoked by: atxbyea
We'd need the bot to DM that though, like the welcome message
clear ferry
We should
forest edge
@clear ferry https://youtu.be/Bwi6_Ugq8jA
clear ferry
deft pewter
Seems to be a heavy mix of macbooks from what I've seen
Pretty much every dev at my place works on a MBP. The only exception is the teams that exclusively develop Windows desktop apps, else they'd probably still have a MBP and just use a VM for the Windows stuff.
This is at a software firm with over 10k employees (not sure how many of us are devs vs support/admin roles, tbh)
clear ferry
forest edge
nerds by the truck loads you say
clear ferry
code monkey @deft pewter at work
deft pewter
That code monkey looks way too professional and efficient to be me.
Also, what's it doing with its hands? Why do all those buttons have symbols on them?
clear ferry
not true, you actually released a working product in less time than expected
you should be promoted to admin and never do code again
deft pewter
Haha. The product we've been working on for the last 6 months isn't even going to ship 😄
It was an internal service for other teams to consume... the team that asked for it no longer wants it 😂
clear ferry
clever mortar
I'd claim to be shocked, but ... that sounds about typical 🤣
deft pewter
Yeah. I was annoyed at first but then I realised I don't actually care as I'm still getting paid.
Someone might use it, might not. But I did my piece and built something that (mostly) works.
It's a little entertaining knowing that all the management will now be roasted over the waste of budget...
As a lowly dev, I don't get any of that stick 😄
clear ferry
I love that I have a tasmota device somewhere in my house, that I have no idea what it is doing, but pulling 148w
I'm too afraid to power cycle it
hushed basalt
hushed basalt
Turn it off and wait for the complaints
clear ferry
that is what I would do in a server environment
hushed basalt
Or the house to burn down
clear ferry
🤣
hushed basalt
But the amount of time you wait between shutting down a server and permanently decommissioning it, is always 1 day shorter than the time between the tool being used
forest edge
148w? wouldn't that be a single Norwegian led? I can't imagine you having anything in the house pulling less than 1k
hushed basalt
Got to justify all those dams somehow
hushed basalt
Australia wants to build a 3800km long hvdc cable to export to Singapore
Seems pretty extreme
low harness
Really interesting project.
clear ferry
well, moving to gnome fixed my libreoffice issues
but now whenever I sleep my monitors, one of them never wakes up until I reboot 🤣
it is just disabled in display manager, and unplugging does nothing
sand junco
3800km? that is one hell of a cable.
clever mortar
39,000K is the current record - but that's not for power
low harness
It's a 3 GW link too. That's quite significant.
swift niche
Where should I ask about SSD controllers?
clever mortar
Well, what's the context 😉
If it's about a particular install method, in that channel
If it's in general, as the topic says, start in #general-archived
deft pewter
Unless it's general tech and not about HA, in which case ask here 🤣
clear ferry
SSD Controllers 🤔
swift niche
I have a Freeze issue with the OS above5.2. Wanted to know if it could be related to my StarTech 3.0 controller
clever mortar
#330990055533576204 would be where to ask then
cinder oxide
Got a question regarding Nabu Casa - what channel should i ask in? 🙂
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
NC is #cloud-archived 😉
cinder oxide
Ah, ofc 😄 Haha thank you Tinkerer!
clever mortar
If in doubt, read the channel topics 😉
clear ferry
nice, service provider who has taken over an old customer of mine approached me
"do you know solaris?" ---- "maybe?"
because they are moving the customers datacenter, and customer has no local staff left because service provider is managing it for them
and none at the service provider knows solaris or sparc servers
clever mortar
deft pewter
So you're going to give them a crazy high quote for the work because there's clearly no-one else that can do it if they're crawling back to you? 😄
deft pewter
What's the 'ex-customer surcharge'? 20%?
deft pewter
How do you label it on your invoice?
Shoulda stayed with me fee: 20%
clear ferry
come back, they are robbing you fee: 50%
deft pewter
Must be great knowing that you're billing the new provider and the new provider is billing the customer. If you raise your prices, they either have to bill the customer more and risk losing them, or absorb your fees and profit less 😄
clear ferry
clear ferry
that is me every week tbh
clever mortar
Send them my way, I'm sure we'd only charge them twice as much
midnight adder
Hi!! Good morning all
unborn grail
Anyone picking up some rpi picos to interface with their HA? Curious to see what can be done with them. Just grabbed some for myself!
I feel the no built in WiFi will limit what uses it has
scenic radish
Tbh I'd rather use a nodemcu or wemos
torpid fjord
Yeah, the lack if WiFi made me go.... nah..
last dirge
it's got more GPIO
has two inbuilt UARTs
so, definitely could e of use
looks like 3 SPI busses
what the hell's going on with the I2C stuff?
looks like all of the pins for that are available in 2 places
unborn grail
I have a few processes for the poultry I raise that’s not looped into the system. My arduinos have been holding up fine but I figured I’d try these in place.
last dirge
Chicken Chaser?
unborn grail
:p water heaters and light timers. But man that’s an idea!
last dirge
it's a reference to Fable
unborn grail
🤦♂️pardon my ignorance.
last dirge
I'm bored
might ESP my fireplace
it uses a contact closure that's wired up to a regular toggle switch
wet pilot
that's been on my list for a while. thing has a thermocouple and operates on milivoltage though
last dirge
route those wires to the ESP, have the switch control the ESP
ESP controls a relay
boom
well, not boom
wet pilot
hopefully not boom
last dirge
but Bob's your auntie
wet pilot
also should probably use a temp sensor in the room for a safety
wet pilot
also if you have controlled fans you'll want them to kick on to circulate
last dirge
there's a fan module for the insert that the builder didn't install
it's controlled by the little controller for the fireplace
wet pilot
was talking in the room itself
last dirge
I've been thinking about getting that and installing it
we never run the fan in the winter but that's not a bad idea at all
it's already got a smart switch, just need to flip the reverser
wet pilot
yup
last dirge
I'd just have to figure out how to have it deal with the physical switch
if it was turned on from hass, I'd still want to be able to turn it off via the switch
and vice versa
wet pilot
tie the physical switch into the relay
last dirge
I guess I could make it toggle
wet pilot
or into the esp at least
last dirge
I'd need a different type o' relay then
wet pilot
just have it feed 5v and read for 5v
last dirge
right but if the switch on the wall is off
and I want to turn it on with the ESP
I have to ignore the switch
wet pilot
yep
last dirge
so I have to code all that in
wet pilot
so you need the milivoltage in from the fireplace and switch it back to the fireplace. need 5v out to the switch and a pin back from the switch to see if its enabled
last dirge
yeah
but it'll have to have the knowledge that the physical switch needs to flip from opposite logic to matching logic
back to opposite
for it to change the state of the relay
meaning if the switch on the wall is off but the fireplace is on it'll have to go to on, then to off
and vice versa
wet pilot
no, just have switch -> off always win
if the switch turns of always turn off the fireplace
last dirge
then I can't turn it on from the ESP/hass if the wall switch is off
totally defeating the point of automating it
wet pilot
if the switch turns on, turn on the fireplace if it isn't already on. otherwise, do nothing
only eval the state of the switch when the switch changes state
add a attribute to ha for switch_position
last dirge
then the logic of how the thing works is split between the thing actually controlling it and hass
wet pilot
you can do it fully on devcie
last dirge
I will
wet pilot
but might as well expose everything out as well
physical switch just acts as an override
last dirge
have to go spend a few hundred bucks on a new office chair today though
wet pilot
to on: turn on fireplace if it isn't already on.
to off: turn off fireplace if it isn't already off.
wet pilot
no, you only need to handle low/high and high/low
night zodiac
I started to measure my coffee grounds and pour them directly into my coffee cup instead of the machine.
I feel ded
last dirge
wat
wet pilot
lol
night zodiac
I'm not awake is all
wet pilot
brain went zzt
heavy ginkgo
old mac minis make good ha servers :p
orchid rose
Someone got the M1 mac to run Linux already so maybe that'll be a good option soon
night zodiac
I was going to add to the conversation bbut this fucking "b" key is being grumpy. TODAY IS THE DAY.
every time I look for something I find more old Hue bbulbs
last dirge
keyboard go bbbbbbbbbbbb
heavy ginkgo
b sup b guys
heavy ginkgo
the specs on the M1 seem cool, i'm not sure i'd like it as my everyday machine due to needing to cross compile everything.
last dirge
bbbbbbbbbbird is the word
night zodiac
I am looking for the key cap removal tool I had left out for the last 3 months
heavy ginkgo
old mac minis are still workable, add your own drives / ram. And cheaper than a nuc
last dirge
cheaper than a strong NUC
heavy ginkgo
yeah i guess you're right. I had one laying around :p
clear ferry
🥱
heavy ginkgo
this week i've traced all the wiring for my alarm panel and konnected integration... and then i mapped it all out in the new network box i bought... and then i decided i wanted some cool plexiglass overlays... and wiring management....
so i still havent hooked anything up :p
night zodiac
yay, found key cap remove tool
river pelican
Hello guys, I tried to find a solution but I'm still experiencing ram leak with raspberry pi 3a+.
I'm using mqtt / deconz /Samba add-on, and I think the problem is deconz.
Right now I need to reboot the pi every 6hrs more or less.
Anyone have similar issues?
Should I buy a pi4 with 4gb ram?
orchid rose
you mean a butter knife busheezy? 🤔
clear ferry
@river pelican or any proper piece of hardware from the last 10 years
heavy ginkgo
you fancy
last dirge
bbitch
gusty wraith
welp...burned my fingers today on some hot DS18B20 sensors
clear ferry
I just got 5 of them in the mail today
gusty wraith
should have been more careful with wiring 🤣
gusty wraith
these are very handy
...if you don't make stupid mistakes like mistaking VDD for GND
burned the voltage regulator on the nano 33 iot in the process but eh... lesson learned... was a proof of concept anyways. waiting for for a batch of ESPs and wired DS18B20 for monitoring the heating until i have successfully cracked the canbus of that damn thing
last dirge
I put a screwdriver through my finger on Sunday
scenic radish
I died yesterday
heavy ginkgo
welcome back
scenic radish
Nope, still ded
last dirge
ah, RIP
gusty wraith
my first MQTT project whohoo!
gusty wraith
sorta
night zodiac
bbbbbb
gusty wraith
red is feed, green is return, cyan is exhaust and lilac is ambient...dunno why i'm interested in the exhaust temperature but i always feel the need to measure exhaust temperatures if possible hehehe 😄 next step: canbus hacking but that has to wait until i can turn the heating off
last dirge
what system?
gusty wraith
what system?
gas heating from 2004 😄
heavy ginkgo
my wood stove has a built in thermometer that has two prongs on it that plugs into a digital readout. I want to make it tie into HA so I know when to reload without being in the room :p
also the battery on the thing sucks
night zodiac
It sounds like it is made for a bbq, lol
heavy ginkgo
kind of, it is just a probe that monitors the temp of the catalytic combustor
heavy ginkgo
yeah, i mean, i do have temp probes for my grill that do that :p
night zodiac
k type thermocouple I think it is
you need an amp for thems, I think. https://www.adafruit.com/product/269
heavy ginkgo
Yeah this is the current thing, was thinking of trying to add on to it. Probably better to build my own.
green inlet
@last dirge , sounds you have the same fireplace as me. I just hooked mine up. If you do zwave, super easy with the Zen16 micro controllers.
loud mango
I made an iOS shortcut to change hue light colors (through the HA app) based on heart rate during work outs, similar to OrangeTheory.
White -> Blue -> Green -> Orange -> Red heart rate zones.
night zodiac
sweet but I don't think your hand is supposed to bend like that
forest edge
why is multi colored? do you have two hearts?
night zodiac
maybe my wrists are not flexible
loud mango
Hahaha no idea what’s up with my wrist
deft pewter
You should do the same with the bedroom lights for... workouts...
loud mango
Two colors one for each person
deft pewter
Yeah, especially the bedroom lights. One light stays white forever... 🤣
green inlet
Ha probably wouldn’t detect the state change quick enough for my bedroom workout.
night zodiac
I don't even have to program that. They can stay a single color all day and it would match my zones.
deft pewter
Ha probably wouldn’t detect the state change quick enough for my bedroom workout...
Increase the polling frequency below 30 seconds to solve that problem.
loud mango
I currently have it at 3 seconds and it worked good
deft pewter
3 seconds? Wow... I thought my performances were bad.
green inlet
30 seconds, you are very generous
low harness
Oh. I missed the "during workout" part of that and just saw blue-> 120 bpm. I was like, "That's ok, and with three more levels to go up?? Should I say something?"
loud mango
190 is max. I just googled the orange theory zones.
deft pewter
You mean 190 is your max? It's definitely not the max for everyone.
loud mango
From what i found it’s really just based on age
loud mango
Would love to learn more
deft pewter
It's like BMI. Someone can be healthy with a high BMI because it's an oversimplified calculation based on height and weight.
A rugby prop could be muscly as hell and really short... their BMI would seem high but they're still healthier than me.
There's all kinds of calculations used in fitness/medicine that should only ever be used as a guide.
green inlet
Especially that weight one.
clever mortar
Also known as, don't kill yourself thinking that numbers are more important than you
deft pewter
I'm 35. My maximum HR using that 'calculation' should be 185. I can hit 195 for short periods and haven't died yet.
I wouldn't ever try to sustain 195BPM but 185 definitely isn't my max.
clever mortar
I'm not 35, if I hit 190 I'd probably be dead 🤣
deft pewter
It's okay. Once your max HR goes low enough, it just goes negative.
Tinkerer's max is -1800BPM.
loud mango
You are not supposed to sustain at your max, definitely unhealthy!
deft pewter
I know this 😉
That's sprints or hill work.
I'm out of shape now but I used to aim to keep below 160 on a long run.
loud mango
This is what i looked at
deft pewter
Yeah... using percentages of your max is a good way to gauge how hard you're working. The 'rule' about your max HR is just wrong.
The only way to know your max HR is to go all-out.
clever mortar
Woohoo, I hit 200
💀
When gyms were open, I was chatting with one person there who found a new max the hard way 🤣
deft pewter
Heart attack?
clever mortar
They hadn't even realised at the time they were having heart problems, just that they felt lousy. It wasn't until they visited the doc for a routine checkup and had their pacemaker log downloaded...
deft pewter
Ooo... working out hard with a pacemaker? Isn't that a pretty bad idea?
clever mortar
Arrhythmia ISTR he said
night zodiac
Didn't have its HPE firmware updated
clever mortar
Well, this guy's a health nut, and about 70...
night zodiac
IBM
deft pewter
Dead isn't healthy. No point overdoing it.
low harness
"hadn't realised they were having heart problems" ... but had a pacemaker...
clever mortar
Yeah, but ... they had it "under control"
My dad has one, it acts less than once a year on average
Even then, he's usually doing something stupid when it kicks in
Or, just, you know, arguing with my mum...
deft pewter
I used to get quite worked up at things. Despite what you'd think from my snark, I'm usually quite calm about things now... no point having a coronary over stupid shit.
clever mortar
I'm calm about things outside of work, it's professional incompetence that pisses me off 😄
deft pewter
Be glad you don't work with me then 😄
clever mortar
Eh, everybody screws up, but screwing up when you know better...
I'll defend my team if they screwed up something and didn't know better. But if they did know better, they'll get hell in private 😄
night zodiac
deft pewter
Not that private.
clever mortar
silver pulsar
I just came up with an awesome automation
Whenever I sit down at the computer desk, CATT wil start to cast lovelace to it for full control 😄
Using CATT and a vibration sensors only
deft pewter
🎉
night zodiac
I need to get my vibration sensor out of my mailbox. that has continued to be a failure. 😛
sand junco
half of my projects ended in failure, when i learned that having a live and a neutral wire is NOT a normal electric practice in this country.
i have a whole box of zwave switches i cant use
silver pulsar
lol
forest edge
well you could still use them, just got to get diy lol
sand junco
i know and i have a different wiring project coming up and i just might throw some neutrals into the ceiling while i have it open
safe gale
hey guys. which would be the proper channel to have a discussion related to hardware sensors (temp / hum. / pressure) ?
velvet horizonBOT
bitter pawn
gusty wraith
half of my projects ended in failure, when i learned that having a live and a ne...
i know that feel... to the point my wallet tried to hide from my while i was just trying to get into the gritty parts of my cars can-bus
but oh well..i've got a box full of failed PCBs now but in the end it turned out just great
deft pewter
Did you check the details in the topic? They should help answer your questions.
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
☝️
hushed basalt
It's like BMI. Someone can be healthy with a high BMI because it's an oversimpli...
BMI stuff is all off for me
night zodiac
fat dick?
hushed basalt
I'm a fairly broad shouldered guy with proportionally short legs
So the bottom of the 'normal' BMI range for me would be underweight in reality
night zodiac
badtelcotech, I asked my buddy about the render farm storage but he didn't know. 😛 https://share.busheezy.dev/k9Kvdm.png
hushed basalt
It's like asking Tediore what electricity is
night zodiac
magical pixies
hushed basalt
It's just something he doesn't need to worry about
night zodiac
I just found out my vibration sensor fits perfectly in the base of my hash pipe. time to log some real data.
hushed basalt
👍
scenic radish
well that's just rude
hushed basalt
All @scenic radish needs to know is to not lick live wires
night zodiac
unfortunately that is also the method he uses to test the live wire
scenic radish
i like spicy things ok
forest edge
gros
hushed basalt
Yeah but I assume you're probably the right proportion for BMI indexes
You're a fat fuck and the BMI says you're a fat fuck
clear ferry
It does
hushed basalt
I can't even find shoes that fit me nicely
Wide feet is a curse
Plus I have to take up every pair of pants I buy, and none of them are comfortable enough for my big bum
clear ferry
185cm/125kg/145iq/smol pp/reasonably well paid/good driver/proper cunt, calculate me senpai
hushed basalt
That let you sit on my lap <@448110501696897025>
hushed basalt
You've used that one already today
night zodiac
that was me
hushed basalt
Go directly to GIF jail
clear ferry
Wasn't me daddy
hushed basalt
Well somebody has
night zodiac
😛
hushed basalt
If I open up the cookie jar and find someone has shit in it
night zodiac
I disabled compact mode. these fucking smileys bigger than the avatars
hushed basalt
I don't care who did it
The house smells like shit and all the kids are getting the hose
forest edge
wtf
night zodiac
hushed basalt
forest edge
5am.. gross
hushed basalt
Normies waking up at normal hours
@clear ferry my daughter is refusing to go down in her bed now
clear ferry
Mine still goes to bed between 19-20 every night
And sleeps to 05-08 in the morning
The other parents in kindergarten hate us
hushed basalt
She used to go down at 7
clear ferry
hushed basalt
And wake up at 6
Now she won't go down until we go down
At least she's not a kicker in her sleep
wet pilot
2 words: ratchet straps
clear ferry
She has slept through 3 new year's eves too, not moved a muscle with fireworks going off
forest edge
could use a better term than "going down" when talking about this me thinks
clear ferry
Crotch goblin
hushed basalt
Parent's have zero fucks about terms
wet pilot
but i know those feels. have a 2yo doing her own bullshit
hushed basalt
We're too tired to worry about it
night zodiac
a bunch of daughter having birds in here
wet pilot
we put her to bed 1900ish and she throws a tantrum in her room for like 30m and then eventually goes to sleep
wet pilot
haha she can't quite do that yet. she knows how they work but can't grip the knob well enough yet
deft pewter
Padlock on the outside. Sorted.
deft pewter
can't grip the knob well enough yet
🚓 👮
hushed basalt
She's still in her cot but we're going to have to take the side off at least
wet pilot
^ lol some days i wish
night zodiac
settle down, america
hushed basalt
Since she could climb.out if she wanted to
wet pilot
yeah, she climbed out twice and we pulled a side off
hushed basalt
But her furniture isn't anchored and we're moving out in a few months
wet pilot
due to a recent incident we have removed everything from her room other than the bed and the dresser though
hushed basalt
So we're trying to stretch it since rentals are pricks about holes in walls
wet pilot
no rug, no toys, nothing
night zodiac
badtel, that was my thought as I threw away all of the anti baby smashing devices from IKEA since I can't add holes
future children
hushed basalt
The state law only came out last year that a landlord couldn't refuse a request for you to anchor furniture
night zodiac
I think I can call and get them though at any time
hushed basalt
In 150 years of this states existance
Got there in the end
Yeah she'd probably go and pull all her clothes out if she didn't want to sleep
Or scream and try and open the door
She used to be a dream sleeper
wet pilot
yep. its amazing kids live past their 2s
clear ferry
yeah, she climbed out twice and we pulled a side off
Protip, sleeping in a bag, can't climb out
She just sits there waiting for me
hushed basalt
She'd just unzip it
forest edge
no proper discipline leads to unruly children
clever mortar
We had https://gro.co.uk/product/grobag-baby-sleep-bag/ when ours was small enough 😄
hushed basalt
Hard to discipline a 2yo
deft pewter
no proper discipline leads to unruly children
Spare the rod, spoil the child, right?
forest edge
hell when I was young and didn't go to bed I would be threatned with the belt lol
night zodiac
they baybays
clear ferry
In the 30s yes@forest edge
forest edge
not even that far back
forest edge
wasn't till the 90's parents started becoming soft
clear ferry
Oh right, you live in a backwards country without proper internet and power
wet pilot
yeah, someone somewhere decided that children have rights or something
clear ferry
forest edge
lol rights
hushed basalt
Toddlers don't have the capability to reason like that
night zodiac
my dad gave me them rights and then his lefts
wet pilot
lol
hushed basalt
It's just, I don't want to sleep, so I'm not going to
forest edge
my dad gave me them rights and then his lefts
exactly lol
night zodiac
I have 0 memory trying to sleep as a kid. y'all have great memory
clear ferry
I just sit with her for 15-30 minutes and sing, and she goes to sleep
forest edge
sure her head dosen't explode?
clear ferry
Come back to me when you've played a few venues in a couple of countries @forest edge 
night zodiac
It must be one of those infant reflexes that protects them.
atx stuntin' because he lives on a border
just kidding 😛
clear ferry
forest edge
@clear ferry playing in countries that don't even show on the map don't count
clear ferry
I have played concerts in Spain and Ireland, plus a couple dozen in Norway though
hushed basalt
Good thing he doesn't have to play in one of those third world countries with failing infrastructure and no health care
forest edge
virtual dosen't count either
what did you play anyways? I mean does goth rock really take any skill? lol
clear ferry
Eh, cover bands, a couple of self made songs
I've been on both guitar and bass though
night zodiac
deft pewter
We just finished up S2 of The Boys. I love Butcher's parting advice to the kid. 🤣
I'd repeat it here but I don't wanna give spoilers.
night zodiac
"my life is dope and I do dope shit"
forest edge
spoilers? that was 2020 lol
deft pewter
Yes. And not everyone watches things on release day.
night zodiac
I have watched a few episodes of it but haven't had a chance to get to 'er yet
forest edge
it's been over 6 months, i think you are ok
deft pewter
3 months 🤷♂️
It's funny how people can never see the other side with this argument. Like if it was years old, I wouldn't care... but a few months is still recent.
But the crowd that think spoilers only count for 24 hours or some shit don't ever respect the other crowd...
🤷♂️
forest edge
i mean if it were 24 hours I could see it
but we're talking many moons
many moons
not to ention we talked about it alreadyn in this very channel
many moons ago
deft pewter
You realise that it's still common for shows to have different air dates in different countries still?
And what about movies? If you saw the cinema release and someone else is waiting for the physical release, when do you start counting down?
forest edge
i didn't realize it was just released for you. my bad
deft pewter
The UK had to wait months for Frozen 2 (something I'm sure Tinkerer was really upset about) compared to the US.
forest edge
more often than not it seems crap is released in other countries sooner than the US
on streaming services that is
deft pewter
I don't recall anything I follow ever being last in the US.
forest edge
like AU.. fucking bastards
deft pewter
Then again, I probably wasn't paying attention.
final acorn
Why Im having red lines in vs? although I have installed addon, and I have intellisense, and my entities in suggestion list https://i.imgur.com/iuZogAc.png
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived
Read the topic.
👋
forest edge
could try asking in #add-ons-archived
deft pewter
I'd say #automations-archived, since there's clearly a very obvious issue with that automation syntax 🤷♂️
The error in VS Code even gives a clue 🤣
unique quartz
Hi All, new here and new(ish) to HA, work as a software engineer and and currently renovating my home in the UK and in the process making it fully automated
Have setup my HA on a Pi 4 and and currently setting up a linux platform router and AP for the whole system. Along with automatics gates it. The system will fully control the solar and water systems. The goal is to reach 100% self sufficient home
deft pewter
👋
shrewd oasis
Hello everyone. I got a question on something I haven’t been able to wrap my head around. I see people with various speakers on their HA and they play from a source to those. How does that work? Like how does the “routing” on the audio happen?
last plaza
It uses something called network.
forest edge
if the source can accept external commands such as over a network as skalavala pointed out then HA can play middle man
@last plaza requesting a bot command .poo that in turn outputs poos on atx
last plaza
shrewd oasis
Ok so it’s source (controlled by HA?) -> HA middleman -> speaker endpoint.
forest edge
think of HA more like the tv remote in your hand
shrewd oasis
How can I create sources? Like what can be a source. I see people use radio stations but I have unraid with lots of music on it. Can that be a source?
Maybe plex?
forest edge
i dunno, someone who actually uses that stuff would know. sure there are guides on it online
shrewd oasis
I have looked but haven’t found many simpler guides. I will keep looking.
forest edge
try looking through the HA integrations. like i think there is a spotify one so it may give you a clue
shrewd oasis
Ok thanks
hushed basalt
But the crowd that think spoilers only count for 24 hours or some shit don't eve...
This
We haven't even been to the cinemas since Avengers endgame came out
And it's nothing to do with covid
Also I remember how His Dark Materials was released in UK a week before the US
And all the americans were like "Why do we have to wait a whole week while the UK gets it sooner"
And I'm just like
https://c.tenor.com/ajfPIbGLpa0AAAAM/interesting-charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory.gif
That must be rough
shell pecan
i think every HA enthusiast should learn how to use an Arduino
imo the easiest way to get started is an emulator
(Arduino + breadboard simulator)
if you know electronics you can literally make smart devices for under $1
forest edge
maybe those who can use aliexpress
shell pecan
yea
forest edge
but even then under a buck? come on
shell pecan
wifi chip is like 30 cents
i mean it depends on what you're making
but really all you need to do is interrupt a circuit in most cases
forest edge
aliexpress and free shipping.. must be nice
shell pecan
i mean mee n even if it costs 5 bucks
these stores are selling things for way more than that
forest edge
for me it's cheaper to buy something like a shelly 1 than to buy the parts and shipping to make something like it
shell pecan
shelly is cool
but like
knowing how to use boards and stuff
i got a garage door opener wifi module for $3
mild wagon
is there a good place to talk #esphome? Relative noob here, trying to expose the climate details from my daikin back into esphome that I can spit it out to a display on an esp8266 node
velvet horizonBOT
mild wagon
thanks @night zodiac
molten osprey
aliexpress and free shipping.. must be nice
AliExpress isn’t free shipping all over the world?
For those in the west: do you guys get hit with import duties on Ali shipments? Is there like a minimum amount above which that happens? Just curious.
molten osprey
is there a good place to talk #esphome? Relative noob here, trying to expose the...
Not to pull you away from this server, but that discord server mentioned is good. Chaps there are super helpful.
mild wagon
thanks @molten osprey. Already have the answer - template sensors!
molten osprey
Cool 🙂
mild wagon
they were good - even @night zodiac answered there 😉
molten osprey
Like I said, love me some HA server chat 🙂
A few years ago I was in the “I will only buy certified HomeKit compatible gear” mindset. Now I laugh at the prices of stuff sold in some stores and regularly stand there going “I can build that for pennies on the dollar”
hushed basalt
thorny crescent
For those in the west: do you guys get hit with import duties on Ali shipments? ...
Not sure where you are from. AliExpress now charges goods and services tax (like sales tax) on Australian's thanks to a federal law. Took them ages to start charging it though and nothing got stopped at the border
molten osprey
Not sure where you are from. AliExpress now charges goods and services tax (like...
Dutch but based in Thailand.
thorny crescent
Ah. Not sure what Ali is doing with shipping now but I think they must be flying packages over in bulk or something because they all have Australia post labels on them. Shipping is normally free or a few dollars.
forest edge
For those in the west: do you guys get hit with import duties on Ali shipments? ...
we get hit with everything imaginable plus shipping times are horrendous. between customs and whatever else getting something aliexpress can take anywhere between 1-3 months. maybe more in some cases.
thorny crescent
Those shipping times happen here sometimes too. Generally around a month then all these wonderful surprises turn up.
low harness
Waiting for my new PC parts. First new build in 15 years. You bet the first thing I get running will be Morrowind!
molten osprey
Ali shipping times are pretty bad for me too. Used to be that things arrived no later than a month from order, but since the pandemic about half the orders take 2 months to arrive.
deft pewter
I ordered a few things around the New Year. They came in under 14 days.
I know atx orders a lot and has said the same. Very quick lately.
molten osprey
There is a regional player here in Southeast Asia (Lazada) which is owned by Alibaba. A lot of the stuff sold on there comes from the same vendors as those on Ali, but arrives within a few weeks. The prices are a bit higher and often come from warehouses in Singapore or Thailand.
molten osprey
I know atx orders a lot and has said the same. Very quick lately.
That’s interesting. I do get some orders within that time frame when ordering from Ali, but for sure not the majority.
deft pewter
Maybe it depends if your stuff still ships by... ship. That's always been slow and ports are slower than usual.
I think mine were all airmail (small packages) so were very quick.
Anything that goes in a shipping container has to make about 20 stops around the world before reaching Europe.
molten osprey
Yeah that would make a difference for sure. And I’m sure pc parts will be more expensive than my average order too 🙂
So far though, never got hit with import duties. I’m not sure if that’s because we have a trade agreement with China (I don’t know if we do), because most items are below the tax threshold or because Thai customs are lazy.
What I’ve learned is to never have anything shipped by FedEx, UPS or DHL. Because 100% of those deliveries get hit with horrendous fees and duties.
hushed basalt
Ah. Not sure what Ali is doing with shipping now but I think they must be flying...
Basically due to free trade agreements places like China can send post to Australia for very cheap, and Australia post loses money on it
So it's just standard "postal mail"
thorny crescent
Basically due to free trade agreements places like China can send *post* to Aust...
Yeah I’ve read about the secretive world of postal cost agreements.
hushed basalt
It's definitely a rip for us
thorny crescent
Totally. I’m just glad domestic mail in Victoria has returned to normal since the lock down. It took me 2 weeks to get a package from 1 hours drive away
hushed basalt
It makes no sense that a business in china can send something to someone in Aus* considerably cheaper than someone in Australia
Using the same postal service
Like how could a local business compete with that for low cost goods
thorny crescent
Yeah they’ve got no chance. A podcast did a story about a New York business getting shafted by the costs
hushed basalt
Then places like Amazon exploited and then lobbied tax laws in the beginning
So say if state tax is 9%, amazon classify themselves as out of state since they're online or whatever's
So they can charge 8% less than the competitor, and still make 1% more gross revenue
deft pewter
Gross indeed.
fathom prairie
Can homeassistant :
Talk to another raspberry pi connected to my network via eithernet running raspbian stretch (I think) ... Have home assistant controll a gpio pin on that pi running stretch
deft pewter
Lounge isn't for support
fathom prairie
Ok sry I'll post elsewhere
hushed basalt
Wife needs to stay off instagram
Amount of designer items she "must" have is insane
deft pewter
Mine follows a ton of Disney stuff. She's going to end up getting all her inspiration from Minnie Mouse 🤣
low harness
Did doctor who ever make a joke about time flies?
low harness
They pretty much must have, right?
deft pewter
Time flies are the worst. They get everywhen.
hushed basalt
clear ferry
It's thawing up here, 1c
tame sand
.f2c 28
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clever mortar
We should see 2C here today, though it feels like -2C
clear ferry
@tame sand but Oz people use Celsius
hushed basalt
.c2f 28
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hushed basalt
I'm sure brits just lay down and pass out at 28 though
@clear ferry i thought you said typography at first
I was thinking
clear ferry
scenic radish
Looks like atx has to print you some new eyes
deft pewter
I think I just discovered a new fetish.
deft pewter
Pass
scenic radish
Where the hell do you find these gifs atx lol
deft pewter
Find? He created that.
clear ferry
In the discord app
hushed basalt
During his "work" time
deft pewter
That's his cousin.
scenic radish
Send more pls
hushed basalt
gusty wraith
The smell of "Virgin" pcbs or those which are "well equipped"?
deft pewter
Nah. Well used, with old solder all over the place.
Even better if the solder comes from multiple contributors.
tawny orchid
or sauerkraut?
clever mortar
Yeah, that works well - at least with a bratwurst
deft pewter
Naw, curry ketchup is all you need with a wurst.
Currywursts are probably my favourite thing about German Christmas markets. Better even than Gluhwein.
deft pewter
I made my own a while back. Really difficult, it had two ingredients.
Bought some bratwurst and wanted that authentic Christmassy taste.
clever mortar
Mid summer? 28C is heatwave territory here ...
deft pewter
Yeah, it rarely gets above 25ºC in the north of the UK 🤣
In my city, 20ºC is a good day.
tame sand
we had 35°C in summer two years ago... it was hell...
deft pewter
Yeah, I don't like it over 30.
scenic radish
Ha, by me it regularly gets above 30C during the summer and well below 0C in the winter
tame sand
then we went to spain and had 49°C in the same summer so our holidays were basically inside of the hotel
clever mortar
Hot and low humidity is fine, but that never happens in the UK
tame sand
We normally have around -12 to 0°C in winter but this year its really warm... but we still have snow ....
scenic radish
Yeah summers are hot and humid, spring warm and humid, fall cool and dry, winter cold and dry
deft pewter
UK seasons are easy to remember. Spring is wet and miserable. Summers are wet and miserable. Autumn is wet and miserable. Winter is wet and miserable.
The 3 warm, dry days we get each year are the exception.
scenic radish
Is it seriously always humid lol
If so that sucks, if the dew point is 60F or higher I probably find it too humid
.f2c 60
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deft pewter
I wouldn't say it's always humid. It's just always wet.