the-water-cooler

[wet pilot]

cya

[rough remnant]

Night

[hushed basalt]

Man

Do you know how much time and energy I've lost in my life

Because of docker desktop and WSLs iffy mounting

As in mounting windows folders into containers or WSL with global read permissions

[forest edge]

Do you know how much time and energy I've lost in my life

the exact same amount ff you were drinking beer and watching tv I would image. lol

[clear ferry]

How much time and energy I've lost to customer PEBKAC

But very well paid time and energy

[hushed basalt]

I feel like I should have just watched tv

Spun my wheels so much on this project

I'm learning things as I go

But I feel like that Malcom in the middle skit

https://media.tenor.com/images/84f103cfc819f2c8d1bfb8efc94c8a88/tenor.gif

[clear ferry]

[boreal pewter]

@ruby mauve well in my country, the backplate of a PC is the small plate many coolers need on the backside of the CPU. And that is the only part called like that. You maybe talk about the mainboard tray? Or the backside of the case itself? However, excuse that misunderstanding. 😉

[hushed basalt]

Are any of you using certificate authorities for ssh at work

[clear ferry]

Didn't tink say he did yesterday?

[hushed basalt]

Maybe I'll ping at all the mods and ask

What is yesterday anyways

[clear ferry]

@måds pls help

[boreal pewter]

@hushed basalt https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/675712149980446751

Altough wasn't here someone lately who talked about using multiple user with the Gdrive for sharing and uploading?

[steel urchin]

I warned you about wsl and file systems

[tropic hedge]

Where do I go to verify my config in the new version?

oh, just found it, had to enable advanced mode in my user profile

[boreal pewter]

Not to #the-water-cooler at least

[clear ferry]

Wsl 🤢

[boreal pewter]

What is wsl?

[velvet horizon]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here , try this:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=wsl

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[hushed basalt]

Biggest problem with wsl is windows volume mounting

Makes everything globally readable

[boreal pewter]

So whats the problem with World Surf League?

[light trout]

They are not in norway!

[hushed basalt]

And so many linux things won't use files that are globally readable

[boreal pewter]

777 is totally save

I always use that in multiuser environments with strangers

Don't forget to upload your holiday pictures

[hushed basalt]

Also put private keys in slack channels

It's important that everyone has quick easy access to your .pem

[boreal pewter]

How else would you do fileshare with them

[clear ferry]

Wsl 🤢

Just do native Linux

[hushed basalt]

On a desktop?

No thnx

[honest geode]

24V RGBW+WW 😎

[orchid rose]

where did you find that?

[honest geode]

Taobao, but I'm sure you can find it on ebay aswell

[orchid rose]

what is it called?

[honest geode]

You can find them called RGBCCT or RGBWWW

Or RGB 5in1 🙂

[orchid rose]

there's just so many of them that are split so that the white chip is separate and yours looks like they are all together which makes it much more useful for a lot of things

[honest geode]

If you search for 5in1 you should get the one I have

[orchid rose]

thanks, found it

[hushed basalt]

You want your white to be different

Two whites really

A better mix would be better, but RGB is poo

[ruby mauve]

@boreal pewter Nope, was indeed talking about the backplate. The metal piece that helps to reduce stress on the motherboard, and.. you know.. giving you something to screw the cooler into :p
Am a massive hardware nerd, so if you are, you can talk nerdy to me ;)

Whenever I put the backplate on, and screwed in the cooler, the system refused to boot. No LEDs in the front panel, and either constant on, or boot loop.
Not been able to find much on it, but one or two posts did suggest that the backplate that comes with the motherboard has the centre hole cutout being too small, and that it might crush some smd components - so even if electrically isolated it still does.. something with that.
Tried with one from my other Ryzen system (leftover cause water cooling), the cutout is indeed way larger, and clears all the components behind the CPU, one coming with it does not - but I think the damage might have been done. It's going back to the store ^^

(Another suggested that the backplate might somehow interfere with the RAM traces, which too is plausible, but that'd probably be bending the pcb, one of the ideas behind that backplate is to avoid that :D)

... I did mention I was a hardware nerd, right?

I really need to stop with these walls of text, my apologies.

[orchid rose]

I read that there was a fairly common issue with some older Intel cpus that dual channel RAM stopped working if the CPU cooler was screwed in too tightly

[boreal pewter]

@ruby mauve ok but wasn't the backplate -often- cooler related? I think to remember my Noctua had one shipped with which I used. That is just why I mentioned that. So either the cooler could fit by size but the backplate may doesn't, I remember there was a very specific test about coolers for the Deskmini, or the whole case got messed by shipping and the backplate still touches the pins on the board

[ruby mauve]

I did try just putting the backplate on, and cooler on top - not screwed in at all, was the same result.
Which I found kind of curious, as there's the plastic piece around it in order to prevent shorts. It was just as soon as that backplate even approached the motherboard ^^

It is cooler related, the backplate - stress from the big cooler being offset a bit by that backplate - coolers kept growing.
But, even the bigger cutout one I have didn't change anything, same issues. So I'm a bit at a loss, really. Unless the damage was done early on, of course. In the very start I did have it boot once with the backplate just gently put in (not screwed), got into the BIOS - Took a chance with screwing it in (X-style), the second the 4th screw got in it got verticle lines going down the screen and locked up. Got it booting after that just fine though (after the backplate came off again) - Proxmox installed after that point.
Suppose it could be the CPU not liking the pressure?

[boreal pewter]

Before testing things out which would costs just too much time regarding I cost more per hour than a Deskmini, I would just replace the whole thing first. Since you said it came already slightly damaged

[clear ferry]

I still remember running systems without heatsinks

[boreal pewter]

You also remember Vietnam..

1st world war

2nd

[clear ferry]

286-486, no problem, pentium so-so, pentium 3 I could play quake for an hour without a heatsink

https://images.app.goo.gl/27a5btM5T3uXjv3x6

[honest geode]

I remember the good old days where I was unlocking my Duron with the pencil mod 😄 800 MHz power

[ruby mauve]

I did boot it without a heatsink at one point - didn't change anything :p They're smart enough to shut down before damage these days anyhow ^^

I only ever attempted that pencil mod once, but didn't succeed (didn't die either :p) Some Athlon 1000MHz I think it was, probably still got it somewhere!

But yah, it's going back to the store tomorrow ^^ I just like the conundrum, trying to figure out 'why' :D

[orchid rose]

Duron -> Athlon with a pencil

then it stopped being an Athlon two hours later, lol

[clear ferry]

Duron, comon that was just recently ;)

I was almost done with my education 👴

[ruby mauve]

Sure!

+/- 20 years.. drop the + :p

[hushed basalt]

That's a long time to finish kindergarden

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TIHI/comments/f0zy08/thanks_i_hate_exciting_new_ideas/

🤢

[trail crag]

"family/group seats" I assume

[clever mortar]

Those who fly together, die together 😛

[orchid rose]

we've had those in trains for as long as I remember. With a lot more foot space though

buses too

[trail crag]

yeah, I was going to say...on a plane the knees will probably be closer together and alternating 😄

[low harness]

Anyone know of anything selfhostable that's kind of like nextcloud but without all the bloat?
I'd like to access a subset of my local files from anywhere. Other computers, my phone, web interface...
I don't want a database-based store, but I want my files to be present in the servers filesystem like normal.

[clever mortar]

When assuming the brace position, please avoid the person opposite

[tidal bronze]

@low harness do you use NAS?

[clever mortar]

OwnCloud?

Not used it though

[tidal bronze]

Owncloud is now Enterprise only...!?

[clever mortar]

Don't think so

I've got a half finished install

Yeah, they push the enterprise version, but do a free one

[tidal bronze]

Been using syno for ages but owncloud sounds interesting. Never got the chance to try it out.

[scenic radish]

@low harness linuxserver.io has a good cloud9 docker container

I'm using it to edit my FORBIDDEN TOPIC files remotely

Of course, requires port forwarding and/or reverse proxy

[low harness]

I was more thinking for stuff like photos and pdfs and such.

[clever mortar]

I use Plex for the photos, but that's only an option if you've got PlexPass

[scenic radish]

Oh gotcha

I'M NOT A MINDREADER THOMAS

[tidal bronze]

NAS based apps would do that all day.

[low harness]

Owncloud seems to support the external storage I want, but not as the user root except for enterprise.

NEITHER AM I JAY. I CAN'T ASSUME YOUR ASSUMPTIONS. HENCE I PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHEN NEEDED. IT'S CALLED A "DISCUSSION".

Cloud9 looks really cool, though.

[strange vapor]

I know a few people using Sparkleshare, but they've spotted mobile sync dev work at the moment which is a bit of a pain :/

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/728fcc9f0a6349305fe6433e5c0d4c10/tenor.gif

Yeah it provides a really nice interface for text editing. Global find/replace too

[tidal bronze]

Anyone using fast roaming + minimum rssi in Unifi?

[strange vapor]

If you want to follow my path to madness, I'm running Minio to provide an S3 store which is accessible over Wireguard. It's acting as a gateway to NFS where my media is kept. On the desktop/server side it works a dream as S3 is supported by a lot of synctools these days. On android the best I've found is FolderSync

[tidal bronze]

for foldersync

[scenic radish]

Been really digging nginx lately. Also PiVPN, though I should give wireguard a try if I want a third way to remotely access things

[strange vapor]

Wireguard is now in the kernel, so within a few decades, it should be in the kernel available on android phones.

That'll be nice as the biggest hassle using wireguard on Android at the moment is that it's blamed for all battery woes when the fault lies with the apps opening up an connection. Interesting watching what urls are hit from the far side!

Not surprisingly, Google is at the top of the list, including occasionally reporting back GPS coordinates over HTTP! After that the various chat apps are by far the chattiest..

Having a play with http://skydive.network/ Pretty pretty graphs and ability to report interesting fun on traffic.

[rain swift]

openVPN is easy enough

[clever mortar]

Wireguard is pretty easy these days, more so with the server UIs out there

[strange vapor]

@rain swift Used to use OpenVPN but have gone fully over to Wireguard. Setup is a lot easier, and it's generally faster.

Have point to point links between servers, and endpoints for phone and laptop to hit.

[rain swift]

setup is faster, or traffic is faster?

[strange vapor]

Both!!

[rain swift]

i'd have to see proof of the traffic part lol

[clever mortar]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/12/how-to-set-up-your-own-nebula-mesh-vpn-step-by-step/ is also worth a look at

I've seen the performance difference myself for WireGuard vs OpenVPN

Running the server on the same Pi, the client on the same phone

[strange vapor]

Tested before changing over using iperf and just rsyncing files, and Wireguard was faster while using less CPU.

[rain swift]

a pi is a terrible vpn server so there's that

[strange vapor]

Not using a Pi for VPN duties 🙂 Atom based box here at home doing gateway duties.

[clever mortar]

Pi works just fine for mobile use 😉

[strange vapor]

No shortage of Pis here, I just prefer to use them for less critical tasks. If my gateway box goes down, I can't work from home so was worth putting in a better box.

[livid tangle]

@clever mortar I'm assuming yours is one of the shared configurations on GitHub?

[velvet horizon]

His GitHub and his blog

Command '~tinkerer' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

You'd be right 😉

[livid tangle]

Thanks for that. Helps noobs like me.

I bought you a couple coffees...

Got a sec to chat about it?

@clever mortar

[boreal pewter]

You're welcome

[strange vapor]

Just after ordering a 36G SCSI drive... I need help....

[clever mortar]

Thanks, and sure... pick an appropriate other channel @livid tangle 😉

#general-archived if nothing else fits

[livid tangle]

Gotcha

@clever mortar If my ADB stopped communicating with my Fire TV, would you call that integrations or devices?

[clever mortar]

I'd start in #integrations-archived if the integration isn't working

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor 36gb that is huge

I still have a few 9gb laying around 😛

[forest edge]

36-24-36... Only if she's 5'3"

[tidal bronze]

What's wrong with these manufactures, removing IR support, New shield pro no IR. WTH?

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry HD in my Akai S5000 dead 😦

[clear ferry]

People still use ir for anything? 😛

[tidal bronze]

I do, unless you want devices dangling all over the house 😜

[clear ferry]

Pff, control via WiFi or Bluetooth 😛

[tidal bronze]

No thank you. AV closets does not play nice with BT / Wifi. That's for kids

[forest edge]

your thinkng rf not ir

I still use ir

[clear ferry]

I was doing networking in probably the biggest house in Norway, and there was no ir there, but 14 av closets 😛

[tidal bronze]

Biggest house in Norway 🤣 Harmony/URC with xantech IR distribution for me.

[forest edge]

surprise you use IR over RF

[scenic radish]

Seems like a perfect day for a hot doctor (hot chocolate with Dr. McGillicuddy's mentholmint schnapps)

Not pictured: actively-falling snow

[tidal bronze]

House is wired for whole house IR distribution @forest edge never had the need for RF. Even harmony hub feeds xantech

[forest edge]

should tell your neighbor his garage door is open lol

well that's neat.

[scenic radish]

Pictured: me being too lazy to put the cover back on my grill

[forest edge]

now we know where you live. prepare to be invaded

[scenic radish]

Lol

I have methods of dealing with uninvited guests

[clear ferry]

Coming over for Barbie tomorrow Teddi

[forest edge]

better be FORBIDDEN_TOPIC methods or get out

[scenic radish]

Haven't found a way to integrate my gun into forbidden topic yet

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge they all route via these

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze the dark theme killer

My eyes

[scenic radish]

R u actually a 🇧 ?

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze these receivers all located around tv's ect or do you have some fancy in wall thing in the middle of the ceiling or something for a little eye? cause I havve seen that one time in my life and thought it was neat. evvery room had it

[scenic radish]

Who wouldn't

You're a fucking liar

[clear ferry]

Hard to forget getting your ass kicked

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge nothing fancy IR wall receiver to cat 5 to connecting block

[clear ferry]

Asmr 🤢

[forest edge]

your name makes me think of this song lol https://youtu.be/kdAj-dBNCi4

[clear ferry]

Any asmr I've listened to have just pissed me off

[scenic radish]

@midnight adder don't mind @clear ferry , he gets sick often

[tidal bronze]

Amazon to rescue https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Remote-Control-Receiver-Raspberry/dp/B01NBRBWS6 Don't have to return the 2019 shield pro 🙂

[scenic radish]

Oooo

I'm controlling my soundbar and fan with IR

No other way to control them

[forest edge]

I have one of those. was 5 bucks with my flirc case

$22? holy hell

that does not sound right at all

[tidal bronze]

Link?

[steel urchin]

and then async/await

and for the love of god, learn some design patterns!

[rain swift]

IR, retro, I want to control everything over the network.

[scenic radish]

I don't wanna buy new devices

[steel urchin]

if you have questions, i've a lot of experience in that area @midnight adder ... DMs are typically open

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze i'd wait till that thing goes on sale. i literally just bought that with 5 bucks along side my rpi4 flirc case which was 15 a month ago lol

[scenic radish]

Let's go bois

[steel urchin]

hmm that sounds kinda interesting

liquid thin mint?

[rain swift]

you're gonna diiiiieeeeee

[steel urchin]

that fucks you up?

i'm in

[scenic radish]

Lol

It's the Hot Doctor

I've had it before. Fantastic

[rain swift]

you're something alright.

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/e7351206b93e0df3d81d9f4ee51c8a7e/tenor.gif

The cooling of the menthol against the temperature of the hot chocolate is very interesting

[forest edge]

least it's only 24%

[scenic radish]

Yeah it's not gonna knock you on your 🍑 unless you drink an entire bottle lol

[forest edge]

still sounds gross 🤢

[scenic radish]

'snot though

[forest edge]

snot is right lol

[scenic radish]

Heck off

Yeah, I said it.

[forest edge]

how the hell you getting snow and we're getting almost 60 degrees

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/1fb93e098589d31f5023b7d32418f013/tenor.gif

Idk, where do you live?

Coords to 5 sig figs pls

[forest edge]

more like https://media2.giphy.com/media/l41Yjwv0rgbJKAGuQ/giphy.gif

if your asking me where i live for the 3rd or 4th time I'm going to strangle you

[scenic radish]

I think it's the sixth time at this point

pls

I need to do all my laundry today || because my fiancee isn't here to do it for me || 😩

[forest edge]

wow your weather is crap all week lol

[scenic radish]

Yup

[forest edge]

well kep it there i rather enjoy seeing the sun

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/58caf4f96f980c3ff19002fccd9424c3/tenor.gif

Alright I'm gonna play Minecraft now, bye

[boreal pewter]

Nice Nestlé

[grave coyote]

Quick question, going to install on TV box. What machine should I pick ? I assume raspberrypi4-64 would be fine ? Running 64-bit linux on ARM

[hushed basalt]

Depends on what you want

What do you want to do with it

https://media.tenor.com/images/8bf93443fb86361a0f54492f732aaa84/tenor.gif

@grave coyote

[grave coyote]

I want to move my Linux Intel box to the trash nd run has.io on my TV box instead.

[scenic radish]

#330944238910963714

[grave coyote]

ok switching

[forest edge]

I wouldn't run the 64 bit HA on the rpi, go 32

• FORBIDDEN_TOPIC

[rough remnant]

Evening guys, @scenic radish how's it going buddy? I hope you didnt drink the whole bottle of McGillicuddys

[velvet horizon]

Tediore is away for 4h 6m 55s with a message 👉 Minecraft ⛏️ and drinking an entire bottle of dr. mcgillicuddy's

[forest edge]

that should read, "on the pot because I drank an entire bottle of dr. mcgillicuddy's"

[chilly nymph]

Hi folks!

Anyone have any experience with putting portable air conditioning units on smart switches (regardless of protocol)?

I moved to a new place without central air and am trying to determine if the model I buy matters -- since they all appear to be digital these days instead of having physical dials. Obviously February isn't the most needed time for an AC (in the US anyway), but I'm trying to buy it before prices jump.

[rain swift]

we should smash the restrictions in the lounge and talk about anything we waaaaaaant.

[rough remnant]

Lmao, to be fair, wasnt obvious when I got here. @chilly nymph maybe #hardware-archived?

[chilly nymph]

Hmm. @rough remnant are you saying my message is against the rules? I intentionally avoided talking about any specific protocol

[rough remnant]

Fair enough

[chilly nymph]

And wasn't looking for assistance on any specific smart device....which is why I thought here was the best place.

[rough remnant]

What would be special about the smart switch? The only thing I would keep in mind is not to switch it often, the pump isnt meant to be stop start

As long as the switch is rated for use with your load

[chilly nymph]

The issue is how it's turned on/off. It's effectively the same as plugging/unplugging. Some devices don't handle that well.

[rough remnant]

Correct, hence dont turn it on and off often

[chilly nymph]

The other issue/concern is I have no idea how these things work, having not owned one. I'm having a hard time figuring out if they generally (i realize every one may be a bit different) turns on by default, or goes into a state where you have to hit the power button.

[rough remnant]

Omg dont get me started

I work in IoT, consumer IoT gear sucks. There is no standard

Luck of the draw

[chilly nymph]

I owned a home with central air until recently.

I get that. But this is not an IoT question 😛

To get to the core of the issue though -- am I in the wrong place? I am happy to move if so.

[rough remnant]

Correct, but IoT device makers put no tought into anything like usability and security. And wdym? Unless anyone here objects this ig would be the right place

[chilly nymph]

I always seem to choose the wrong channel, TBH.

I get redirected most of the time.

[rough remnant]

For instance, my smart plug, has a bright ass blue LED on it. No one thought about what happens when you want it to be used in a bedroom. I mean, what portable AC do you have?

[chilly nymph]

like when I asked a node-red question but got redirected to #automations-archived or asked a zigbee/zwave question in zigbee and apparently should have asked in #zwave-archived. The fact that I get redirected in almost most instances is the biggest reason I'm not very active in this server. Just seem to rub people the wrong way (oops).

@rough remnant I don't own one. I'm looking to make sure I buy the right one.

Effectively, I want to make sure I can program one of my outlets to only be on during certain times of the day -- but want to make sure the A/C would actually turn on and not just go into a standby mode. If none of them would default to on, I probably need to add something like a harmony hub to the mix to turn it on after the switch turns on.

[rough remnant]

Why was the harmony hub introduced?

Ah, got it, for when the power comes back on

[chilly nymph]

I haven't introduced any ancillary devices. I'm just saying if it defaults to a standby state upon power on, I may need an IR device to switch the state from standby to on

But having never needed to purchase a window or portable AC, I have no idea how they generally work when first plugged in and nobody I know uses one of them anymore either

[rough remnant]

I mean, how technical of a person are you? Do you want a turnkey solution, or are you the type of person who wouldl love nothing more than to tuck an ESP inside the AC?

[chilly nymph]

Easiest way to answer that is I'm an audio and electrical engineer with some FOSS contribution experience -- and works 60 hours per week. So I wouldn't have a problem with it from a technical perspective, but time commitment ability is low -- if that makes any sense?

So it doesn't need to be turnkey, but can't be overly involved from a time perspective. I'm also not looking to void any warranties either.

[rough remnant]

FINE, (U have any industry leads job wise by any way shape or form of chance?) I would honestly just shove an ESP into the front panel

Low voltage, connect to the buttons u need to turn on and off or out of standby

Than you dont even need a smart outlet

[chilly nymph]

I hear that. I'd need to solder the leads though, which would void my warranty. But my understanding is also that they have a pretty heavy phantom power draw.

And what do you mean job leads? I'm in New England and I'm familiar with several companies that are always hiring.

Depends on if you are looking for programming, engineering (ME or EE, etc), etc.

[rough remnant]

Good point about the warentee. Maybe a harmanoy hub or a ESP with a IR LED would be cheaper.. Im in new england, I worked my first time as a full time developer (Dare I call myself an engineer? No degree) and recently left the job. I have a poor experience record but if anyone is looking for skill... I designed PCBs for low cost low power sensors, wrote firmware, wireless protocols, and distributed backend applications.

And power the ESP with wall power, than you can tell if the power went out and the smart switch state reset

[chilly nymph]

Any interest in doing QA work?

[rough remnant]

Possibly, I'm open to a lot.

[chilly nymph]

It's a good point of entry job where you can show off your ability to branch into EE work or development

Look at Analog Devices or Alarm.com for QA engineer positions

[rough remnant]

Okay, thanks for the tip

[chilly nymph]

I know people at both places, so if you see something you like let me know and I can forward your resume if you want.

[wet pilot]

Valid path for electrical, not as much for software dev

[rough remnant]

I spend most of my time as a software dev, and consider myself a software person, but I do a surprising amount of hardware.

[chilly nymph]

@wet pilot depending on the company. I know both of those companies develop their own internal QA software tests

but generally, yes, I would agree.

[wet pilot]

True, depends everywhere. Some of software qa doesn't always translate well to software dev

[chilly nymph]

I was viewing it largely as a "foot in the door" thing.

[wet pilot]

Different tools and skills involved

[rough remnant]

The more I think of the ESP32 and IR led the more I like that solution, that should be a 10-20min project using Arduino.

[chilly nymph]

That's generally true.

@rough remnant I have a harmony hub lying around, so would potentially use that anyway

[rough remnant]

Oh there you go, nevermind

[chilly nymph]

It used to control a TV in the living room, but it got replaced with a samsung smart tv, which has an undocumented API and CEC

[rough remnant]

Oh, thats cool, Im finding that every smart device has a secret protocol. Or backdoor

[chilly nymph]

It often feels like it. Which is both good and bad.

It's why network security is of utmost importance.

[rough remnant]

Turns out everything based off a certain IC used in IoT if you send a TCP port to a certain port it would open a telnet service with hard coded creds

[wet pilot]

Though those backdoors have been getting closed up lately

[rough remnant]

Thusands of IoT devices, none of which actually have the IC, the backdoor was copied along with the IP

[chilly nymph]

@wet pilot see: Harmony Hub

[wet pilot]

Yup

[rough remnant]

Whoops, going on a tangent. The api sounds really nice

[chilly nymph]

I'm actually looking at buying a Tesla and that type of thing is what concerns me

since a large selling point of the tesla is the software

[rough remnant]

Oh yeah, one thing thats slightly reassuring is they covered the basic stuff like blokcing pings. Clearly there isnt a complete noob doing security but with all rapid software development there is always unforseen issues

[jagged sparrow]

So, super quick one: I know Hass isn't recommended on a rpi 2B, but how slow is it really? I'm only planning on using it to control a few smart plugs using input from NUT

[wet pilot]

Just don't

[rough remnant]

@jagged sparrow there is a no HA talk rule here FYI, and ^

Im running a Pi 3 and its struggling

Real hard

[chilly nymph]

@wet pilot are you talking to me about the tesla?

[wet pilot]

No, sha

[chilly nymph]

Ah. Ok

Oh yeah, don't use hass on an rpi2. But bring it to #330944238910963714 (hass.io was renamed to home assistant)

[jagged sparrow]

Figured since it was under installation that one was more for troubleshooting (And this channel was more active)

got the answer anyways so

[wet pilot]

Tesla is intriguing but I'm still taking the wait and see approach

I think we need the next step in batteries before they market will blow up

[chilly nymph]

What are you waiting and seeing about?

[steel urchin]

If they could compete with your average combustion vehicle like a Civic, it'd be viable

[rough remnant]

I think soon owning a car wont be a thing, Tesla is not a car company, they sell cars to get started on their real goal

[wet pilot]

If they can fix their build consistency

[chilly nymph]

Ah. I think it depends on your use case. I have a regular SUV for road trips and a sedan for the daily commute. The tesla would replace the daily commute vehicle.

[wet pilot]

Tesla are apparently still pretty bad at quality control

[chilly nymph]

I drive 70 miles per day round trip, so the lower cost model 3 would actually save me money over the long haul

[rough remnant]

Yes, the whole paint thing was terrible, and I see a lot about body work being non-semetrical or weird inconsistansies. But boy it would be nice to have

And Im sure it saves a lot of money on gas

What does it cost to charge at a turbo charger?

[wet pilot]

Less than a tank of gas, more than it would cost to charge at home

[chilly nymph]

I did an overnight test drive last night, and they actually gave me one that was almost empty. I didn't have to pay to charge it, but the meter told me the "full tank" was $9.54

Which brought the range to 320 miles or so

But the town I live in also has chargepoint chargers, within walking distance of my house. No cost to charge and no cost to park overnight.

[rough remnant]

Thats cool, I live in Maine, its weird to see super charger cropping up everywhere

We're starting to see teslas now

So many where I moved recently

During the summer

[chilly nymph]

superchargers can only charge Tesla, and is the fastest way to charge. But the teslas also come with an adapter to use the other most common connection. It just takes a bit longer to charge. So for a long road trip, less fun. But if it's charging when you aren't in the car anyway, it's actually a time saver over the gas stations.

A lot of companies (like grocery stores) are adding chargers to their parking lot to use while you charge. That's actually what we did last night. Parked at a supercharger and walked into Marshalls.

[rough remnant]

Yes, hannaford just got like ten of them near me

for the one tesla that lives in maine

The tourist are who bring them

[chilly nymph]

Nice. The supercharger network I think always (or at least usually) charges you directly.

I love maine. I'm one of those tourists. Portland is my spot.

[rough remnant]

I wondered how that works. Isnt the tesla charging standard open? I feel like a Open and independant charging standard would be nice. Have it like USB-C the car picks from a small range of voltages and current ratings. I live in portland now, Ive always lived in Maine but hi from your spot

You're one of them gosh dang tourists

[chilly nymph]

Maybe kind of. One of my best friends lives up there too though

I mostly go up for the breweries. And bowling.

[rough remnant]

For the beer, fair enough, for the bowling idk about that man. I dont think I would travel from another state for bayside

[chilly nymph]

@rough remnant the bowling is a secondary reason. Because there is a bowling ally up there that has some pretty great food.

[rough remnant]

U talking about bayside? The one with a bar on the roof

[chilly nymph]

no

it's outside Portland, 33 Elmwood?

[rough remnant]

Thats good, youre more classy than bayside

Good test of charcter

[chilly nymph]

Hah. I'm not exactly a bowling connoisseur. I just like good food.

[rough remnant]

You dont have to be, bayside is loud music, wings, and annoying drunks

Im not one for partying and crowds

[wet pilot]

boots and cats and boots and cats

[rough remnant]

I feel if I put my cats in boots I would loose a face

[wet pilot]

or they'll end up liking it. cats are weird

[rough remnant]

Yeah, thats tru. Shes my little netcat, she sits on the router. Conviently my router's WPS button is on the top and it just causes all sorts of issues with Wi-Fi

[wet pilot]

lol

have a lot of flat heat generators here, a cat would probably end up in all sorts of bad places

[rough remnant]

Yeah, lmao. I want to make her a heated mat and a LoRa collar and use it as an excuse to play with LoRa ToF

Hopefully giving her another place will solve my wifi woes

Which, why you would code it so holding a WPS button down just kicks ppl off idk, terrible design

I hate other peoples software

[wet pilot]

psh, i hate my own software sometimes

gonna be refactoring a thing that i started working on 2 years ago now 😦

[rough remnant]

Lmao, fair enough, me too, maybe I just hate software

[wet pilot]

its ok, software hates you too :p

[rough remnant]

I know, espesially windows

[wet pilot]

🤢

[rough remnant]

I have been using linux since a kid, every time I touch windows it goes instantly to flames

Idk what it is

No one else seems to have quite the same level of issues

[humble pond]

@wet pilot Every software engineer hates what they wrote yesterday...

[wet pilot]

lol

[safe nova]

Anyone ever had an issue with zigbee lights not updating states?

[wet pilot]

#zigbee-archived

[rough remnant]

Do they pay you by the hour @wet pilot ?

[wet pilot]

heh if only

[scenic radish]

Per answer, actually

[wet pilot]

that would definitely encourage bad behavior

[rough remnant]

Lol, u just start paying ppl in india to join discord and break rules

Whole callcenter shows up

Youd make bank

[forest edge]

what phnx does during his off time. https://youtu.be/HQHiuns6zKA

[wet pilot]

O.o

[forest edge]

everyone needs a hobby lol

[midnight adder]

lads, footer icons (new in latest update) can't have custom tap action? just entity switches?

[wet pilot]

HA is off topic in this channel

you probably want #frontend-archived

[midnight adder]

i want the manager lol

[wet pilot]

karens are instantly banned

[midnight adder]

sigh

[forest edge]

the whole "karen" thing is still kind of new to me lol

i know what it means and all but hearing it, this is prob the first channel I heard is so often lol

[midnight adder]

really

here? I thought I was original with my joke

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/65f3e540db90058170938d105d922d8f/tenor.gif

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7ERuljilPBYpxorAfovYbl?si=9SccUUsGQ0uAWm9FhVMR7g

[low harness]

Power outage during the night. Router/hass box stuck in EFI console when I wake up. Nice.

To make things even better, once I got into the bios settings, the keyboard refused to work.

[clever mortar]

Doh

[low harness]

Fun times were had, balancing on a chair with my head inside the server/cleaning supplies cabinet at 6 AM.

[clever mortar]

Sounds like you need a remote console/KVM setup 😛

[low harness]

"Dad, what are yo"
"NOT NOW!"

[clever mortar]

makes notes of what I need for my own setup in the future

[low harness]

I'm in the process of migrating hass over to my new microserver, and when that's done I'll see if there's a UEFI version of pfsense instead. That should solve this problem.

Sure would be swell if it'd remember the legacy setting between power cycles, though...

[forest edge]

we need this lol https://imgur.com/A2wjZVP

[clever mortar]

[forest edge]

tell me that won't fit a few situations lol

[clever mortar]

It'll fit a lot 😄

[hushed basalt]

@low harness bad cmos battery?

[low harness]

Maybe. Never found one.

Google tells me I'd need to remove the motherboard, but it's worth checking out.

[hushed basalt]

What sort of box is it

Reeeeeeeeee

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, that they're removing a dead battery

But ahh, shorting out a battery, that's awesome

[clear ferry]

@low harness keyboard not found, press F1 to continue

[low harness]

That error actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

@hushed basalt It's K190G4U-S02

A great little router/firewall

[hushed basalt]

If there's not a cmos battery slot

There might be a header for it

Or it could be on the bottom side of the board

Check the manual

[strange vapor]

There should be a battery slot behind the USB ports.

Have one of them which I need to fix up again. The ssd I put in it was a cheap ass piece of crap that died 😦

[low harness]

Yeah, as I said I found a photo of it on google.

[hushed basalt]

No battery, no bios settings saved

[strange vapor]

You're lucky it's a modern PC with a coin cell battery in a holder. I've had to deal with old synths with the battery soldered into place 😦

[midnight adder]

hi all

[ruby mauve]

@boreal pewter
Random update - Got a replacement (even if they wanted to RMA the other one first, instead of just replacing it, sigh). This one has a different backplate, looks slightly different, powered on instantly, detected RAM and everything.
Might've been an older revision I got first time, one with a backplate with a cutout too small - crushing the components behind the CPU ^^

Also, am thrilled by the lack of RAM issues with this Ryzen 2000-series vs. all the RAM issues I had with my 1800X xD

[hushed basalt]

Daughter is being a hungry hungry hippo the past few days

I have no idea where she fits it all

[low harness]

Is't cmos battery very old fashioned, really? I mean.. flash?

[hushed basalt]

She's only like 8kg and she ate a whole banana

And heaps of mince

And rice

@low harness they need it for the real time clock

[low harness]

Right! Now I remember! I thought of the battery, but assumed it was ok because the system clock was only minutes off.

But we got the power back minutes before midnight 🤦

Still. Clock, sure. But bios settings. Flash is basically free nowadays.

At least if you just need a couple of bytes.

[hushed basalt]

Yeah legacy has a lot of intertia though

I'm guessing most desktop boards use flash nowadays

But random chinese SBC boards, maybe not as common

My government spent $65+ billion rolling out a national broadband network based on copper and coaxial. So shrug

Never underestimate the will of legacy

[low harness]

I work with large electricity infrastructure. I know about legacy.

[hushed basalt]

Corporates are the worst too

No wait. Medical

Fax machines 🤢

Handwritten notes you have to get filled out six times during a hospital visit

Observations,

Being hooked up to a fancy networked observation machine, but a nurse still wakes you up every two hours to come in and read off the screen and write it in the notes

[crystal mist]

I still don't understand why fax machines are a thing. I have been told to get the signature, but does anyone actually check the signature?

[hushed basalt]

But they don't accept a pdf of a scanned signature

[strange vapor]

If you deal with Japan, you need a Fax machine

They even get cranky if it looks like you're using an email to fax service.

[crystal mist]

Like is some filing clerk really going to search for other documents you've signed to compare them?

[strange vapor]

We have a room with a few fax machines downstairs just for dealing with Japan :/

[hushed basalt]

Yeah Japan have some... Peculiar traditions

I want to go to Japan though

[crystal mist]

My company has offices all over the world and our Europe HQ doesn't even have q fac line

They are being phased out in the US as well

I'll check with our Tokyo crew

[strange vapor]

Years ago I sorted out a fax gateway at my previous job just for dealing with the IEDR (the people responsible for the .ie domain). Meant we were able to deal with them via our automation fun.

A few years later, I started in my current job, and one of my new teammates was ex IEDR.

As it turns out he had build a fax -> CRM gateway in IEDR around the same time as I was doing the opposite :/

[hushed basalt]

Hehe

https://youtu.be/2IW9L1uNMCs

@strange vapor go to 18:30

[strange vapor]

These days the IEDR do offer a proper API

@hushed basalt Have gone back to the start to watch the lot. The first Deathstar slide is winner 🙂

[clear ferry]

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Could you do 24hours with text only responses, or would you implode?

[clear ferry]

I would probably start scratching like a heroine addict in withdrawal

And tinkerer would suspect I had been hacked and call my mom

[clever mortar]

I'd send the men with the hug myself jackets round for you 😉

[clear ferry]

[midnight adder]

Wait.... @clear ferry can reply with words??? 😱

[clear ferry]

[wet pilot]

its rare, but possible

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7dH9Qnbb7pwDahy1Vb9ZQa?si=HaV-k9bCS2WDL_hWFqqJaw

Up at 5am tomorrow to catch a 7am flight

[scenic radish]

he sleep

Or...not

[last dirge]

damn DBAs

[jagged mantle]

could someone explain the meaning of the different role names in this server?

[clever mortar]

Yes

(hey, you only asked if somebody could) 😛

[velvet horizon]

The Jedi role (blue) is given to our community members who have proven themselves knowledgable and worthy of helping others. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

Command '~jedi' was invoked by: Tinkerer

The Padawan role (purple) is given to our community members who have shown that they are willing to learn, have shown progress toward becoming a bigger part of our community (a.k.a. a Jedi), and try to lend a helping hand to others when they can. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

Command '~padawan' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clear ferry]

Doesn't sound like @scenic radish at all

[scenic radish]

@clever mortar you're like the teacher that says "I DON'T KNOW CAN U?" when a student asks "can i go to the bathroom?"

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo

[sullen basalt]

Question for the crowd: are there any numbers on how many people have Home Assistant installed today? 10k? 100k? more?

[clever mortar]

Two years ago it was about 100K AFAIK

[strange vapor]

https://pypistats.org/packages/homeassistant and it's equiv on dockerhub might be a good indicator

[clever mortar]

HACS alone has some 18K downloads of 0.20.9

[low harness]

Neither pypi or docker hub is a very reliable metric, though.

[sullen basalt]

Would it be safe to say the number is > 100k? 200k?

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar 100k installs but 60k of the broken in some five layer virtualization hell ?

[clever mortar]

100K downloads anyway

How many ended up with function installs is anybody's guess 😛

[clear ferry]

Yeah, that'll be unreliable with some users who reinstall weekly because of... Some reason

[sullen basalt]

how many installs are still functional if they tried to upgrade would be a much smaller number 😛

[boreal pewter]

@ruby mauve glad it works out. I only sticked to the basics too, Ryzen 5 3400g and 16GB 3200Mhz CL16

[trim solar]

Hey, where can i ask about SSL Certificates?

[strange vapor]

@trim solar Depends on how you're installing. I'd look at the two channels under installation first.

[trim solar]

Okay, I'll try it thanks 🙂

[ruby mauve]

2200G, 16GB 3200MHz CL22 (urgh! But tightened it a bit to CL20 - not messed too much with it yet - SoC at 1.050), 500GB m.2. I didn't want anything too overkill - it is just replacing a Pi3B+.

The RMA for it was completed 30min after I left the place (got a mail), so eh - guess it was obvious at least, so that's something. Even if I had to cash out for a second one, and now to wait for getting my money back.

This one, put it all in, hit power on - Proxmox already installed from the previous one. Up and running in less than 5min <3

[boreal pewter]

Well I guess the 2200g is a re-use from before? Since a 3400g is a very small increase of costs and much stronger. And the ram MAY be the bottleneck then, usually 3200mhz CL16 is really the bare minimum

[fallow galleon]

What voltage is that ram at? CL22 is incredibly bad

[boreal pewter]

1 😄

[ruby mauve]

2200=3200, 2400=3400. Pretty much exact same tech - Just a small MHz boost.
3400G is about twice the price of the 2200G currently, least here.

2400-3400G got a bit more graphical powers, and has SMT - which the 2200G does not (4c vs 4c/8t).

And yeah, I know the CL22 is pretty horrid. I accepted it due to not gaming or anything like such at all.

[boreal pewter]

The jump from 2k to 3k was pretty big. Dont underestimate that. Just check benchmarks, I guess 2200g vs 3400g could be 40%?

Just guessing

[ruby mauve]

For my PC I do 3200CL14, with tightened timings. Am sure I can get these down further - https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct2k8g4sfs832a

In my defense, they were cheap - and not going for A++ performance atm.

Jump from Ryzen 2000 to Ryzen 3000 was pretty big. However, the -G series both builds on older Ryzen tech.

[boreal pewter]

It's cool, I just pointed the bottleneck out and wondered about the outdated CPU 😛

[clear ferry]

Normies 🤢

[ruby mauve]

Oh, I know it's outdated. Again, if I was going for graphical powers, or loads of CPU powers, then I'd probably just gotten a 3950X for my PC, and used my 1800X for a server CPU.

[clear ferry]

Come back when you have 320 core systems 😛

[ruby mauve]

Anyway, 2x00G is built on 14nm = Ryzen 1st gen. 3x00G is built on 12nm = Ryzen 1.5 gen... though there's a 12nm Ryzen 1st gen CPU now.. Urh.

[boreal pewter]

Well you don't need graphics at all, SSH runs no matter what. For high-end usage you would probably use some G for initial setup and then exchange for a 3600 😄

Since the Deskmini only does 65w tdp

[ruby mauve]

Aye, I did look into entirely headless, with some non-G CPU. Sadly the A300 doesn't support 1st gen Ryzen (my 1800X :p)

And yeah.. that 1800X is definitely not 65W xD

Anyway. Platform has room for upgrades if I ever need it. I did consider the 200GE, or 3000G - Both dualcores. But, I liked the idea of quad more than dual.

[sullen basalt]

Allright, so using the 100k users of Home Assistant as a working number, I've come up with this: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/breaking-changes-and-their-impact-25-million-minutes-a-year/170700

[ruby mauve]

And @clear ferry - When electricity here stops being ~$0.37kWh, then maybe you'll see me with 360 cores ;)

[sullen basalt]

Fixing the breaking changes with each release of Home Assistant is enough work to employ > 250 people full time

[clear ferry]

Move to a civilized country @ruby mauve 😛

[brisk glen]

@sullen basalt who says all of us upgrade to the latest version all the time?

[sullen basalt]

I doubt everyone does!

but those breaking changes are cumulative

[ruby mauve]

Denmark is plenty civilized for me. Just, we got a lot of fees on top of actual electricity prices that is used to invest in green energy ;)

[clear ferry]

@brisk glen have you seen #330944238910963714 ?

[sullen basalt]

so you can let the debt pile up, but those breaking changes don't go away

[boreal pewter]

I think I now pay 75€ per month, 2800kWh a year... thats still almost 0,31€

[clever mortar]

That is at least in part the point of moving to UI config - to avoid the need for breaking changes

[brisk glen]

hassio issues lol

[clear ferry]

I pay €350 ish per month

[brisk glen]

hail core

[ruby mauve]

I pay somewhere around €0.28-0.33 +/-

[sullen basalt]

I'm north of $500/mo in the summer

[brisk glen]

@sullen basalt I upgrade from time to time

a weekend project

[ruby mauve]

Is why I was considering the NUCs (lower ones), simply because of the sub-15W draw.

[clear ferry]

I'm summer I'm closer to €200isg

[ruby mauve]

€350 per month?! I hope your servers gives you some back ;D

[sullen basalt]

Yup, and it's not a huge burden on you individually. Maybe an hour or two over a weekend after several release cycles

[ruby mauve]

On the other hand, I'm also guessing your heating is near 0.

[clear ferry]

@ruby mauve the servers is barely any of that

[boreal pewter]

atxblyat the difference in economy is that you don't earn 4000€ a month without taxes as an professional about the age of 50, which still would be nice over here. Nothing in regards of many many other jobs here which leave you with 2000 a month

[sullen basalt]

@ruby mauve that's my server farm, and what it gives back is continuing education. it's like a student loan payment that will never go away

[brisk glen]

I run ha on a vmware photon vm on a mac mini with a power draw of about 5w when I am not on the computer

[clear ferry]

I have a whole house to power

[brisk glen]

I need to use some of my cores

[ruby mauve]

Currently I do ~€260ish every 3-4ish months.

[clear ferry]

I just got access to 33000 physical servers anytime with any os, so my home stuff is mostly just the necessities

[sullen basalt]

HP cloud just went free for internal users?

[clear ferry]

Internal @sullen basalt

[sullen basalt]

seems like a good idea, not like anyone else is paying for that time 😛

[ruby mauve]

And @sullen basalt, as long as one can afford it ^^
If I did get so many cores / big servers, then I would probably try renting out some Minecraft servers or whatever in order to offset some of the cost.

But yeah, income vs. expenses, the usual :p Mine is definitely not for 360 cores currently ^^ Atm it's just playing around with it a bit, and getting into the whole thing. However, I still do prefer just messing about with the hardware aspects of it.

[brisk glen]

if you care about power usage. get latest gen cpu

but get at least a 45w cpu

[clear ferry]

What do you mean @brisk glen is my Itanium Montecito not good enough?

[brisk glen]

just because its rated at 45w does not mean it will use 45w

[clear ferry]

[brisk glen]

.... @clear ferry you are special

[ruby mauve]

Urgh, where is / on us-keyboard layout? I forget.

[clear ferry]

[wet pilot]

? key

[brisk glen]

most of us do not have datacenter grade hardware at home

[ruby mauve]

Already limited this one to 35W TDP, disabled PBO, set P0 to 3200MHz. That should help a bit. :)

Thanks ^^

Hm. That gives me \

[wet pilot]

\ is the \ | key below backspace above enter

[ruby mauve]

If only Nordic layout had space above Enter ;)

[wet pilot]

/ ? is bottom right next to the right shift

[ruby mauve]

Hm, yeah, got it. -_ key for me. However, doesn't seem to work on this VM. Curious.

[ruby mauve]

Thought I remembered it as such as well.

[brisk glen]

ssh

allways ssh

[ruby mauve]

Proxmox console atm

[brisk glen]

trying to do stuff via the console fails half the time

yay keyboard encoding issues

[ruby mauve]

First time I encountered issues with it - however, was that string-of-text install for this Hassio VM, instead of just some ISO install where I got to pick the keyboard layout. I'll find it!

[wet pilot]

i would have sent a pic of my normal keyboard but its too messy 😛

[ruby mauve]

Like... Opening my eyes and using the / on the numpad. Like a smart boy. Fml.

(Also, thanks for the help ^^)

[clear ferry]

Reminds me of one firmware version on the Superdome flex

Where the second row of letters were shifted two right

Was confusing until I figured out password became pdffworg

Real time enigma machine

[brisk glen]

rofl

[midnight adder]

Question right, What would be the best way to tell google to start the coffee machine would that be IFTTT with a custom message saying "Ok google, Brew me some cofee" or is there something else there wich is more reliable?

[clever mortar]

IFTTT... 😱

Clearly the answer depends on the coffee machine, but if you've integrated it with HA you're in the wrong channel 😉

[midnight adder]

Nah, its just a "cheap" coffee machine with a smart plug haha :P

[hearty depot]

holy mother of error log

[clever mortar]

I'm quite impressed at the size of .local too

You hiding a few dead bodies ISO images in there?

[hearty depot]

Grate game - about 2k hours in

[clever mortar]

😄

[midnight adder]

I need food

what's the best way to ease strep throat caused from excessive coughing

[clever mortar]

Strepsils 😛

(they're a UK line of medicated lozenge to ease throat discomfort)

[midnight adder]

do you guys have vicks there?

[hearty depot]

is it a wuhan cough?

[midnight adder]

no its a shanghai factory cough

[clever mortar]

Vicks, yup

[steel urchin]

alcohol helps, too 🤣

[clever mortar]

Their rub is awesome/eyewatering

[midnight adder]

eyewatering

[steel urchin]

vapor rub, i've never liked that stuff

too much menthol

[clever mortar]

One trick is to put some in boiling water and breathe in the fumes

[hearty depot]

I actually like Acetylcysteine combined with selen
Kill -15 all my coughs

[clever mortar]

Ideally with an inhaler cup

[midnight adder]

ah man

i remember a guy boiling whisky and ginger with lemon

tf is going on

(red label)

[hearty depot]

lol -things I ask me. Wich algorytm I shoul use AES, Twofish or ChaCha20

[clever mortar]

Rot13...

[steel urchin]

lol yeah i vote rot13 as well

maybe even rot26 to be double safe

[hearty depot]

ist'nt that actually known as ceasar cyphre?

[clever mortar]

Double rot26

[midnight adder]

what is dis

WARNING!! we have not yet been contacted by NSA/USA/UK to provide a backdoor to our encryption service... but its only a matter of time until it happens. Note: we will keep this notice up-to-date so please check this website regularly.

[hearty depot]

Who of them 🤣

[midnight adder]

no idea

[hearty depot]

ooohhh lol what a troll

check the AJAX Example to get it 😉

[midnight adder]

I did

it translated HELLO WORLD TO HELLO WORLD

[hearty depot]

😉

the chivre takes the alpabet and rotates it by 26 letters - 2 times!

[midnight adder]

oh

[steel urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppets-annoyed-vwI4mYEHP8k0w

[forest edge]

what in the world is going on in here

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/ec6c3516ec3099ef6bfa4261e46b9ad5/tenor.gif

[low harness]

3.26 V on the cmos battery...

Seems fine to me, but otoh the internal reference reports 3.45 V on the new one...

(Rated at 3V btw)

Ok. It kept the sertings for 10 minutes unpligged. I’ll call that ”good enough”. Or at least ”I want my router back”.

[wet pilot]

that's how lithium batteries work

an 18650 is rated at 3.7 but fully charged is 4.2

and i think "dead" is about 3.2V

[fresh sky]

Is Home Assistant still the cool new way to go if you're trying to get away from Smartthings?

[wet pilot]

its a way

and the preferred way on this server

[rain swift]

HAMasterrace

[scenic radish]

it is also a FORBIDDEN TOPIC in this channel

[jovial junco]

Guys after some advice!

Im using HACS to install custom cards so on - But HOW on earth do i use them!

I install the say "Custom weather card" from hacs - it prompts to add to lovelace - i restart HA but i CANNOT figure out how on earth i actually add it to one of my screens! 😛

Help 😛

(sorry if i just posted in wrong area)

[last dirge]

#frontend-archived will probably get you more response

[jovial junco]

Thanks mate! Just posted there

[last dirge]

maybe #add-ons-archived too

[jovial junco]

just feel like im missing something silly!

but driving me crazy!

how do i add these custom cards once installed 😛

[wet pilot]

sounds like a #frontend-archived question

.topic @jovial junco

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@jovial junco For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernetes, or Celcius or Kelvin, or Celcius or Celsius, or anything. NO POLITICS or RELIGION and BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: phnx

[jovial junco]

nice bot that! 🙂

[ruby mauve]

Awe. It's cute to see 3B+ CPU usage vs. a real CPU whenever you do stuff on pihole. 3B+ goes all red numbers and things, this Ryzen barely leaves 0.01.

[brisk glen]

lol

[forest edge]

then when you look at the power consumption side the ryzen is all red numbers and things and the pi barely registers.

[brisk glen]

@forest edge thats why I use INTEL!

jokes aside

[forest edge]

and windows!

[brisk glen]

naa

macos 😛

[ruby mauve]

There is that @forest edge! :P

And eh, Ryzens typically uses a lot less power than Intel these days ;) You're so 2012!

+/- those Celerons and Atoms. But eh, there's Epyc 3xx1s for that.

Anyway! I should be able to get this thing down on 6W idle, that's not too far off... a 3B+... maxed out. It's my first time with something else than a 3B+! ^^

[brisk glen]

@ruby mauve im 5w idle with a monitor asleep

and god know what else I have plugged into this UPS

err 7W using my mac mini 2018

I cheat due to apple and their obsession with power use

aka Timer Coalescing

http://images.apple.com/media/us/osx/2013/docs/OSX_Power_Efficiency_Technology_Overview.pdf

[forest edge]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxhRY3vWp3KoLzlpPJ4AaABCQ < this sucker will be a good zigbee dongle alternative to the cronbee cause you don't have to use usb.

[ruby mauve]

A Ryzen, any Ryzen, should be a fair bit (huge amount) more powerful than that though.
But yeah, I know. I was looking into Intel NUCs and such as well (small Celerons, sub-i3) - cause power usage was one of my biggest factors in picking a device (and storage expandability second, just in case).

But in the end, price of platforms vs. expandability, vs. form factor vs. power usage.. This Ryzen just kind of won (even if I could've gone for a dual-core version.. so.. a touch of overkill).

5w idle is great. However, if I'm able to get this Ryzen down on those 6W idle, then that'd be kind of amazing (am hoping for 10-15W though, to be realistic :p). Seen reports of 6.

[brisk glen]

@forest edge can you run 2 of them with vhsrp?

[forest edge]

@brisk glen run what?

[brisk glen]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxhRY3vWp3KoLzlpPJ4AaABCQ

[forest edge]

no idea that thing isn't out. I can't even find anything on it than what digi posted. if we were closer to april and if there wasn't a picture of the actual board I'd question if it was real but pretty sure it is

[ruby mauve]

Uh. Proxmox with a dark skin, so much more comfortable to look at. ^^

[feral eagle]

Hey guys, where will I ask about a question regarding backing up to github

[wet pilot]

Not this channel 😏

[feral eagle]

@wet pilot what one then is, what I'm asking haha

[wet pilot]

Depends on your install method

[feral eagle]

Hass. Io

[wet pilot]

#330944238910963714

[rotund field]

Does anyone know of any soil moisture probes available that could be implemented in a green house?

[scenic radish]

#hardware-archived

[rotund field]

Ah, missed that channel earlier.

[forest edge]

only two mods in the list! time to break ALL the rules!

tediore can finally express his true self!

[ocean mirage]

I will get the mods attention

[forest edge]

doooo it

[ocean mirage]

Uh

Maybe some other time

[scenic radish]

Oh I have an idea

POOP

Ha, come after me now, mods

[strange vapor]

How to feel old: https://twitter.com/Lord_Arse/status/1226974568985907200

Lord Arse! 🔜 @ Play Expo Margate (@Lord_Arse)

So, this just happened on #universitychallenge and suddenly I feel very old. https://t.co/k2PzhwU0a4

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[forest edge]

pretty sure there are a lot of kids that don't even know what atari is either

[ocean mirage]

I had no idea what the pictured thing was

That’s to say

You are old

[strange vapor]

Kids these days 😢

[hushed basalt]

@strange vapor Steven Wardley is interesting

He looks like he's extremely arrogant,

But his maps look very useful

Not the panacea he claims them to be, but still

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

< cogneato right now lmao

[clear ferry]

Looks like him every day over at #330944238910963714

[austere nebula]

I love the community highlights 👍

[clear ferry]

I love @forest edge , screw highlights!

Mostly empty airport today

[hushed basalt]

Leaving murrica?

[clear ferry]

Did that weeks ago!

There is a free for all piano behind me at the airport

I want to play it, but I suck

[scenic radish]

😔

G'night

[tidal bronze]

Hopefully you are not going to play Rammstein

[scenic radish]

Play du hast

Now

[clear ferry]

Rammstein can be good on piano too

[scenic radish]

doit

[tidal bronze]

Well if that's the case it would sound the same, or rather people will not notice you suck at it.

Abrupt thumping of here and there and you are golden🤣

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/u8XlfckoXc8

She is very good, I've followed her for a few years

https://youtu.be/Be-loLSUWT0

For you Teddi https://youtu.be/rNszXApYDMw

[visual lark]

https://m.habr.com/en/post/486856/ "0day vulnerability (backdoor) in firmware for HiSilicon-based DVRs, NVRs and IP cameras"

[clear ferry]

Non homemade NVR

https://open.spotify.com/track/5jRwNUdq4Ha7aT8aN4ozuX?si=9uNupSZxTBGZsFeTcsB3ag

This is so catchy

[forest edge]

taking care of sick animals is straight up back breaking lol

[clear ferry]

You don't need to take care of me!

[hushed basalt]

Need to put you back in the wild

Fend for yourself against the polar bears

[forest edge]

haven't you heard. there are no more polar bears

that crap is only in movvies now

[clear ferry]

Iorik !

https://media.tenor.com/images/a80dad64ae3eb59b1223e3bd5a5edcbd/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/RJra0fcMsVU

I'll let Tediodore build the cage

[clear ferry]

Welcome to Nørwëgiån airport toilets, Americans would be offended

[ocean mirage]

that just looks uncomfortable

[clear ferry]

It actually looks very Swedish

Fricking people who don't rent cars often, sit down to fill out papers and what not

I'm a business traveller damnit

[ocean mirage]

oh no how dare they

[clear ferry]

If you just sign up with a user you don't even have to sign a paper before rental 🤷

[ocean mirage]

I've only ever rented a car once

I think I only had to sign something and they just confirmed my phone number

[clear ferry]

I'm not that heavy, probably only done it 60 times

Tinkerer is probably four digit

[hushed basalt]

He ain't heavy

[clear ferry]

He's definitely not my brother

[hushed basalt]

Are you surrreeee

[clear ferry]

I hope so

[low harness]

I just noticed the google downasaur is in the mdi iconset. And also that it has a name.

[clear ferry]

Ronny the dinosaur?

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6e52a666b1eb7f50ca1001da2c8b3604/tenor.gif

[strange vapor]

https://twitter.com/McKelvie/status/1227193230682443776?s=19

Jamie McKelvie (@McKelvie)

When USB-C ports were first invented, they were enormous. Thankfully technological advances have reduced them in size since.

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[scenic radish]

@clear ferry that cover was legit

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry Saw you were having troubles with your rental did you get it fixed?
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/676686178933538827

Don't they give a replacement in Norway? Or do you just like to fix it yourself 🤔

[next ginkgo]

Anyone running a NextCloud docker in there HA (Hassio) install?

[scenic radish]

#add-ons-archived @next ginkgo

[scenic radish]

@low harness it's called the downasaur? that's amazing

[low harness]

Ikr

[tidal bronze]

@clever mortar use wireguard?

[clever mortar]

Alongside OpenVPN (as PiVPN) - yes

[tidal bronze]

Can you do client side LAN like ovpn-as?

[clever mortar]

I don't actually know... I've only used it for mobile devices

Google says yes

[jagged mantle]

which channel would be the best one to ask about where i can find the code for talking with telldus Live?

[clever mortar]

#integrations-archived

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

Lounging at the airport

Atleast I got the shitty Citroen C3 upgraded to a Skoda Kodiaq

[fallow galleon]

For the 2 1 euro countries I've been to, C3 seems more suited for the road

[honest geode]

Citroen is to be avoided

[boreal pewter]

French and French cars*

You misspelled there, Sir

[fallow galleon]

French car any worse than Italian?

[boreal pewter]

BMW 🤷

[strange vapor]

If you have a French Car, you can be pretty much the electrics in break in some odd fashion as you drive off the forecourt...

[boreal pewter]

Dont they have a inbuilt white flag you can pull via button? 😛

[scenic radish]

oof

[strange vapor]

@boreal pewter In fairness to the French, the "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey" thing is BS. Outside of WWII and Vietnam, they historically have a damn good record!

[boreal pewter]

Yeah it's probably just about germans usually do jokes about france, at least in a community board I'm around to seek very critical content

There lately was a nice useless-knowledge post like: Didyou know a vagina of a bluewhale can fit 5-6 grown up men laying in there. It makes it the second biggest pussy right after france in the WW2

[jagged mantle]

is there a channel for appdaemon?

[strange vapor]

@boreal pewter Saw yesterday that a French company was selected to supply major parts of the computer systems for the UK's new Type 31 Destroyers.

[clear ferry]

In Norway we say, avoid cars that start with F, Fiat, Ford and French

🤢

@fallow galleon you have never been to any mountainous or terrained EU countries then

[fallow galleon]

only spain and the now non-EU country

[boreal pewter]

@strange vapor sounds like UK was looking for anyone who would still lift a helping hand after they left EU. Now who else than France would that be...

[clear ferry]

Spain can be mountainous, atleast inland

I had a Hyundai i10 in England, that was almost unbearable going uphill

Next time I got a golf, that was bearable with the 1.4tsi

[fallow galleon]

I only traveled thru Spain by train so I only saw the roads in city

[clear ferry]

Sure for city you might prefer a small car, but driving in the city is useless , most European cities have very good public transportation

Unlike many parts of the USA

When I was in Georgia now public transport would take me 1.5 hours to get to Atlanta, taxi was 25minutes 🤷

[fallow galleon]

Whenever I see small cars here, I imagine a horrid crash on the highway.

[clear ferry]

For Oslo it can take me 60 minutes by car or 35 minutes by train to get home

In London the public transportation is so good I would never use a car, but for the countryside it is a must

And a rental car will cost me less for a weekend than two train tickets

[last dirge]

@clear ferry you can thank the NIMBYs for that

[clear ferry]

Thank muuuuurica

[fallow galleon]

I envy the train network in Europe

[clear ferry]

So does northern Norway

We use to say should have let the Germans occupy us for another year, then we would have had train tracks all the way up

Northern Norway has no public transport other than bus or boats

Think the northern most train station of the Norwegian rail is Fauske

[fallow galleon]

Just googled Norway. what's up with having all the coast?

[clear ferry]

We enjoy fishing, and oil, and whales and seals

Both to watch and eat

I love that people actually have to Google Norway to see it on a map, doesn't people have geography in school? 😂

We learn all about the us states in school, and all other world countries

[fallow galleon]

Born in Hong Kong and moved to USA. Only learned about Europe in world history

[clear ferry]

[clever mortar]

@jagged mantle you should ask thinkgs like that in #general-archived (there's not, but there is a Discord server)

[fallow galleon]

and they mostly cover the mainland, where all the WWI and WW2 happened

[clear ferry]

We did group exercises about Hong Kong in school I remember

[jagged mantle]

do you know the invite to that discord?

[clever mortar]

#general-archived @jagged mantle

[jagged mantle]

i meant the discord server

[clever mortar]

[clear ferry]

You know, the server @clever mortar

Boarding

[clever mortar]

I know many things, but my desire to help those who ignore me is low 😉

[clear ferry]

Did someone say anything?

😛

[clever mortar]

Too busy trying to build custom installer images to care 😛

[clear ferry]

I felt the wind whistle through the keyhole

[clever mortar]

Flying you say... wind you say...

[clear ferry]

I love the efficiency of some military installations, took me 3 hours to start work today, so that 5am wake-up and 7am flight felt very worth it

Thank goodness I'm so efficient I cramped 8h work into 4 though

[clever mortar]

🤣

[clear ferry]

[clever mortar]

Hurry up and wait

[clear ferry]

Get here as early as possible so we can make you wait a little extra

[clever mortar]

At least they got you in the same day ...

[clear ferry]

Well, might.... Have to go back Thursday and Friday

[clever mortar]

Doh

[clear ferry]

Daytrippin

Good thing about military is nobody can bother me from outside though

Faraday days

[pure vine]

@clear ferry 13th doctor emotes?

[last dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJG5z_EHd3A

[clear ferry]

@pure vine ofc

[forest edge]

@clear ferry where you flying off to now?

[clear ferry]

Back home

After a dayjob

[forest edge]

how often do you have to do this kind of crap?

[clear ferry]

Usually maybe once a month

Sometimes a few times a month

[forest edge]

that sucks

you should request your own private jet

demand i mean

[clear ferry]

I enjoy traveling

I should share my traveling time with @rain swift

He needs to travel more

[forest edge]

should have made youtube videos of your travels.

especially if they are only for a day lol

[clear ferry]

HI GUYS ITS ME AGAIN

REMEMBER TO CLICK SUBSCRIBE AND COMMENT

Big shout-out to my sponsors @scenic radish and @forest edge for keeping me hyped up on cherry candies

[scenic radish]

u welco

SMASH THAT MF LIKE BUTTON AND SUBSCRIBE

[clear ferry]

https://www.mini-itx.com/~JBC323

Maybe I should buy a new desktop

That one was tempting

Except uk shipping and Norway tax

Should order it next time I'm in the UK

[forest edge]

nuc form factor

which nuc? the pre-alpha? lol

[clear ferry]

Nuc 🤢

[last dirge]

nuc FTW

[orchid rose]

4lyfe even

[clear ferry]

Overpriced and very few have triple monitor 🤢

[orchid rose]

Overpriced compared to what? And I guess those are not really meant for people who use triple monitors

[clear ferry]

To any other small form factor, or heck even sff and lff

If I could get one with four monitor ports I would 😛

[orchid rose]

they are much smaller than sff though?

[clear ferry]

Yeah, but so is any other mini computer in a lower price range

I have no need for i7 or even i5 in that form factor

[orchid rose]

What would you recommend instead then? I've only really seen the nucs in that size category, but never really searched properly

[clear ferry]

Check my link further up

They have a few options

[clever mortar]

I've shopped from them many times in the past

(and similar stores)

[clear ferry]

Yeah me too

[clever mortar]

If you want compact and/or low power/noise they're a great source

[clear ferry]

Their options are usually 10-20% above local price

So I buy those myself

Then just the barebone from them

[steel urchin]

lol damn i hate recruiters

[clear ferry]

We don't have much of those over here

[steel urchin]

opened my "professional" email, literally was at 0 inbox 4 days ago... today? over 1000 emails from recruiters

[clever mortar]

😮

[clear ferry]

Here managers themselves just contact you

[steel urchin]

heh well, as someone who has hired over 5k people in their career, i can tell you there's no way i'm contacting every single person

but recruiters are dumbasses

[clear ferry]

That's muurica for you

[steel urchin]

git gud scrub! lol

[clear ferry]

I usually get 5-6 serious every year, from country managers or CEOs

[clever mortar]

Eh, I've found a few good recruiters, but they're not the common type

I get a mixed bag - some recruiters, some direct, but I've never had hundreds a day.... I must be doing something wrong 🤔

[steel urchin]

mmm... there's a lot to say about why i get so many recruiters

but honestly it's down from about 4k/week

[clear ferry]

🤢

[clever mortar]

I don't mind some - but that's broken

[steel urchin]

hehe, that's why i said "professional" email, because it's literally just recruiters and companies trying to get sponsorships

well i have a pretty damn good track record

it makes sense why i come up in everyone's searches

[clever mortar]

Well, yeah, but still...

[clear ferry]

Thank goodness, I only come up in the searches that matter 😛

[clever mortar]

Of course, DM me your email and I'll get you subscribed up to every spam list on the planet and it'll solve your problem 😉

[steel urchin]

oh all mine are applicable, except the java ones... i don't do java

the ones that REALLY burn me up are the ones that clearly are using a 8+yo resume

"are you still with xyz company?" "No... we sold to amazon 7 years ago"

that ONE time i put my shit into monster.com, and i can't get rid of it

[last dirge]

I do java 🙂

[clever mortar]

I do ☕ - does that count?

[last dirge]

most java job recs are BS though

"we need 8 years of experience and the rate is $45/hr"

[steel urchin]

depending on where you live, that's not horrible

[last dirge]

there's a lot of people who use "full stack" and "devops" in their job descriptions