Easiest
#the-water-cooler
light trout
clear mirage
and looks likes its free too. I got a mini pc that im running HA on via a VM using virtural box. the mini pc came with win10 but i put ubuntu desktop 18.04 on it
young sigil
AnyDesk is also easy and less of a script kiddy target.
clear mirage
i see. im downloading anydesk now. just wish ii was home so i could put it on the other pc.
pure vine
If you want to use vnc or rdp locally, krdc is good
Remmina is a lot like krdc if you want something gtk based and supports more protcols
clear ferry
I use vnc mostly with Linux desktop systems, but the only real use for a desktop is for workstations or CAD so I rarely use it except for setup of said workstations once in a blue moon, otherwise I can do almost anything from SSH 🤷
clear ferry
Or xming is good fun too
light trout
Still no snow @clear ferry ...
last plaza
It continues to be true that Flat-Earthers have supporters all around the globe. - Neil deGrasse Tyson.
light trout
How...wait..what...🤔
scenic radish
well that didn't take long... i set up remote access with duckdns, let's encrypt, etc. last week. just saw a notification "login attempt or invalid auth from $MyRouterIP"
i have two-factor auth and a secure password set up tho so i'm not worried
i can move this to #330944238910963714 if needed, i just figured this is more networking-rel8'd
light trout
That's more of a "who cares"
scenic radish
😦
scenic radish
- Add router IP to IP ban list
- ???
- Home Assistant secured
- Profit
that's good to know though
google wifi router. bought it years ago before i was involved in smart home stuff at all
unreal orbit
You can get yourself a good router without wifi and still use your current google router as an AP
scenic radish
i like that idea
i thought about getting that unifi security gateway
but i was told that it's garbage
apparently my choice of networking equipment is always garbage
unreal orbit
I really like my unifi edge router
they're like 50 bucks
You're not a multi-billion dollar company that's maintaining a network for thousands of clients, you don't need the absolute best. When people tell you something is "garbage" take it with a grain of salt
scenic radish
ah nice, this one? https://store.ui.com/products/edgerouter-x
unreal orbit
Yup
scenic radish
dope, thanks
unreal orbit
There is a bit of a learning curve to getting it setup, but I'll help you
if you end up getting it
scenic radish
i would appreciate that, thank you!
amazon has them, and i have amazon credit
convenient
late gate
4x nvme drives as cache in an unraid setup overkill?
unreal orbit
I think you know the answer to that question
late gate
that I need 4 more? :p
and been a crappy day smart errors on one of the 10gb nas drives. luckily on warranty
wet pilot
if have the ER-Lite and i'm happy with it
light trout
Edge-OS is that UI only, or does it have a cli?
late gate
got cli from what I know
scenic radish
does the edgerouter x pass your approval test ludeeus? 😉
scenic radish
whew
late gate
I would suggest if you want to start with the ER to just get the ER-4
scenic radish
can't take another bashing about my router 😉
late gate
Even if I use the USG right now of simplicity reasons
WAF kicked me in the ass of too much tinkering with ER
light trout
it's 4x the price, and I have no W to A anything 😛
scenic radish
little out of my price range, but thanks
i think i'm gonna go with the edgerouter x
late gate
isnt it like 500 price different (nok)
worth the price if you get or have altibox and can use spf directly
imho
clear ferry
@light trout 
scenic radish
@late gate not sure if that's directed at me, but i'm gonna use the edgerouter x with my google wifi as an AP
light trout
Did a quick lookup, ER4 was about 2000 and X was 600
clear ferry
Zzzzz
late gate
Google Wifi? not going to use mesh?
scenic radish
soon enough i'm gonna have a damn networking rack lmao
clear ferry
Pfsense or gtfo 😛
scenic radish
1100 sq ft, no need for mesh
late gate
I got a USG, ER4, 5 GW and a pfsense in my closet
lol
none in use
I just loose interest too soon
I do like the unify setup on the usg though. easy to setup vlans etc
just wish for a usg with spf thats not the usg pro (noise like a jet plane)
strange vapor
Using a Debian box with nftables for my routing need. I have got a Unifi setup, but the in your face pushing of the USG in the Controller actually turned me off even looking at it.
clear ferry
Easy vlans aren't fun vlans anyway 😛
More value in the market for someone who knows how to control vlans on 7 different networking products 😛
late gate
thats just how you can overcharge consultant services, @clear ferry :p
boreal pewter
@unreal orbit why the Edge Router? What is it doing in comparsion to the security gateway?
unreal orbit
Security gateway is a Unifi device. Edge routers are standalone routers
And they're more expensive
boreal pewter
🤷
scenic radish
@light trout @unreal orbit actually, i just tested logging in to home assistant remotely with bad authentication, and the notification says the remote IP instead of my router's IP. any idea why that one notification showed my router's IP? again, if i need to move it to #330944238910963714 that's fine
boreal pewter
Well my plan was a vdsl2 modem (I forgot the name), the security gateway, for now my managed Netgear Switch and 2 NanoHD AP
Because the security gateway is a router 🤷
unreal orbit
Did I say it wasn't a router?
boreal pewter
Have I said I just don't understand the difference? 😛
scenic radish
unreal orbit
The difference between what?
boreal pewter
A router called Edge Router and a Router called security gateway 😄
unreal orbit
I just told you, security gateway requires a unifi controller. And they're more expensive because they have "security features"
(Marketing wankery)
boreal pewter
Ah that was what you mean
Well since this is HA Discord which requires a local server to run HA I just assume everyone is able to host the controller just beside that in another Docker Container
scenic radish
it's containers all the way down
boreal pewter
And even if not you can just use the software on a windows PC, do the initial config and then just shut it down (while missing everything regarding monitoring)
unreal orbit
@scenic radish HA gives bad authentication notifications for random reasons. Especially if you have cameras. I wouldn't read too much into it
unreal orbit
Turn HA IP banning off, it's a bad idea
unreal orbit
Because of exactly what's happening
light trout
It's Google wifi...
unreal orbit
I occasionally get bad auth errors when a camera stream fails to load. HA authentication is overly cautious and has several reasons for false positives
Better than security holes I guess
light trout
Oooh Mr moneybag, have cameras
wintry crow
Okay, should I get a black bean? Just so I can say "Hey booboo, switch over to the horror channel"?
mystic dagger
Speaking of security holes - I have a...friend...who plays fast and loose with his home security and has never set up SSL or certs or reverse VPN or anything like that, and relies on simple user/pass and non-standard exposed ports. If he were to want to remedy this, would Traefik be a good place to start? Maybe nginx? Maybe something else?
unreal orbit
I use and like nginx, but people will tell you that VPN is the only real "good" solution
scenic radish
Goodness...talk about security by obscurity lol
clever mortar
VPN is the best solution, in that it's one thing to secure, and relatively easy to secure well
PiVPN makes it almost idiot proof
light trout
challange accepted
clever mortar
That's why I said almost 😛
You can set it up without keys, and a blank password, if you try hard enough
light trout
Easier to open 22 on my FW
clever mortar
Ah, the good old enable root login with no password
clear ferry
The systems I've seen, that host massive country infrastructure
That have default password
And haven't been patched for 7 years 
Sometimes I wonder how things actually stay up and running
clever mortar
Yup
mystic dagger
Hope and pixie dust.
clever mortar
Oh yes, our primary production system ... the login password is the account name. Same for the admin account for the application.
I've heard that more than I care to count
mystic dagger
I don't talk about my SQL 2005 server running Windows Server 2003, for fear it might realize it should be dead.
But at least I have strong passwords on it. I think.
light trout
🔥
clever mortar
It's ok, what's the odds of you being hit by malware...
clear ferry
@mystic dagger that's modern, I still see NT4 servers
light trout
sa/sa is a fairly popular SQL psw
mystic dagger
Anyone have a how-to-set-up-VPN link that they swear by, before I ask Sergey?
clear ferry
Run pfsense, use openvpn road warrior setup and if needed site to site VPN
It even has Wizards!
And export tools!
mystic dagger
So basically I'll just be opening a single port to the "outside", for me to "VPN on".
clear ferry
Sure, if you want to look at it like that
mystic dagger
Networking is my arch nemesis. I can never forgive the OSI model for the death of my boy.
wet pilot
sounds like a layer 8 issue
scenic radish
Windows Server seems like an oxymoron
Is it any good or is anyone who uses it a RIGHT("oxymoron",5)?
mystic dagger
Did I have to mangle the line too much for anyone to recognize it as a Kirk paraphrase?
I'm not planning on moving over to SQL on Linux anytime soon...Windows Server works well for what it does.
tiny tapir
Is anyone here familiar with git apps / extensions / build scripts to check for the use of certain OSS licenses?
light trout
There is license apps/bots that will check, I think there also is some actions in the markedplace
But I have not looked at any of them, just remeber seeing it while browsing
clear mirage
Well today, actually for the last week i've ben having soo many issues..
scenic radish
with what
clear mirage
well mainly with running HA on virtural box. also my wleds decided to stop working too.
clear ferry
Running stuff that isn't temporary testing in virtualbox 🤢
scenic radish
🍿
#330944238910963714 would probably be the place to ask if you have questions
or #330990055533576204 maybe if you're running HassOS in virtualbox (that's possible, rite?)
clear mirage
I know, just kinda venting a little. well migrated over to using this - https://www.amazon.com/Fanless-x5-Z8350-Desktop-Computer-Graphics/dp/B07VN6DF6Q/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=FT6N96ED1BX5TZ7JMZEW from a rpi, and i put ubuntu desktop 18.04 on it set up virtural box, everything seems ok but i cant get it to recognize my xwave/zigbee stick
scenic radish
ah gotcha
i believe passthrough issues like that are common with that kind of setup
clear mirage
Thats what i cant seem to figure out..
tiny tapir
@light trout I only found license checkers that require contributors to sign a license before being able to PR. Maybe I'm searching for the wrong terms here.
clever mortar
@clear mirage Install Proxmox, or VMWare, on that box and do it right 😉
clear mirage
@clever mortar yea might just end up doing that.
clear ferry
Or run a venv or docker
Anything is better than what you are doing now
Even if you decide to keep Ubuntu desktop🤢 🤢 🤢
clear mirage
lol
clever mortar
At least it wasn't a venv on Windows 😉
clear ferry
A venv on a Windows VM running under virtualbox 
scenic radish
Seems legit
clear ferry
Without guest extensions
clever mortar
Should be able to fit Docker, and maybe Xen in there
scenic radish
Yo dawg...?
unreal orbit
Another Insteon hub bites the dust. I'm so glad my company decided to go proprietary with their IOT solution 😑
clever mortar
All his shorter work is good - I'm not so sure his movies worked
clear ferry
I hate mister bean, unless it is Christmas
clever mortar
I liked the sketches, but could never watch more then one episode at a time
More dated, but the Goodies was funny in the day
The Two Ronnies is also dated, but much of it is still funny
clear ferry
Never seen
clever mortar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNTM9iM1eVw is classic Ronnies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAmx_XdQky8 is classic Goodies
mystic dagger
I have the Johnny English series on deck to show my kids (11 & 7)
strange vapor
Have you introduced them to Mr Bean first to properly confuse them?
mystic dagger
No. Hmm. Maybe I should. I'd start with Rat Race but they're a little young for that 🙂
strange vapor
Rewatched some Mr Bean recently, and it really is good harmless fun from a more innocent time!
Would never get approved by a production company today, not edgy enough!
clear ferry
something funky changed after updating suse tumbleweed with my docker stuff, I can't reach any port mapped stuff from outside the bridge network 🤔
all host mode stuff works fine
mystic dagger
My very first exposure to him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kloG2Z7tU
clear ferry
@clever mortar they have split opensuse into tumbleweed and leap recently
clever mortar
Also known as no users here and wonder where we'll land?
clear ferry
hah, who knows, as far as I can tell leap is more stable, tumbleweed is more bleeding edge
I'm daring
clever mortar
Well, you run suse... daring, or crazy... comes with the territory
scenic radish
You're special alright 😉
clear ferry
well, figured it out, the updated disabled ipv4 forwarding and enabled ipv6 on all interfaces,
so a dual error
brisk glen
i have to nat64 ipv6 for my docker servers..
yay /128
the horrible things I have to do
clear ferry
@scenic radish watch it, your Christmas present is hanging thin 😛
clear ferry
Not the good kind of naughty 
scenic radish
Lmao
inner summit
Hello All! Is anyone available for some advice?
unreal orbit
Always and never
inner summit
Has anyone had success running HA inside of a Proxmox VM AND getting a certificate for it (HTTPS access)?
or am i in the wrong area of this channel for that
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 40m 53s with a message :point_right: Must remember, don't feed them after midnight!
mystic wraith
anyone have knowledge on a esp cw/ww or RGBW bulb thats a little smaller than a standard bulb
would like to put some smart bulbs in the ceiling fans
they are e26/e27 but kinda short
hushed basalt
@mystic wraith adapters
This is what I had to do
Get a gu10 bulb and put it in a e27 adapter
I'd go for tradfri over esp where I can though
cursive shadow
Hi all. I am new to Hass.io and have a question about cameras. Do you use the platform to manage and run your cameras?
I have read the docs and it does seem to have camera support, but it seems limited.
scenic radish
Should post that in #cameras-archived
cursive shadow
Okay, will do.
wet pilot
tradfri uses zigbee
mystic wraith
yeah, is that more preferred to wifi?
wet pilot
depends
mystic wraith
IF that bulb i linked is a good size, it fits the bill
just too bad about in in store only
hushed basalt
There are tuya gu10 bulbs as well
But may be harder to find one that's not locked out of tuyaconvert by now
Or you can go no smart bulbs
And use a smart inline switch or dimmer
If your local laws allow
Then you can use a high quality good normal LED
wet pilot
smart bulbs are only smart until someone turns off the switch 😄
hushed basalt
That's why I have switches next to my switches
So I can switch instead of switching
Switchception
wet pilot
switches all the way down
wet pilot
westinghouse?
not sure who patented the first electrical switch
i don't think it was edison this time
nope, Henry Holmes of Britton
i was right for not edison though 😄
hushed basalt
Americans probably just put them in upside down
rough zenith
that layout somehow reminds me of MCR lol
clear ferry
🤢
split wolf
hello guys
i have just install HA 101 on virtual machine
and i have Sonoff POW R2 and i want to integrate with it ,any help
hushed basalt
We should just give bad advice when people ask for HA help here :D
clear ferry
@split wolf start by reading channel topics and #rules and then find out where the question belongs 😉
split wolf
@clear ferry ok
clear ferry
as a hint, sonoff itself is not supported nativly, so it will end up being a #diy-archived or #general-archived question if you want to reflash it with #551843800209686539 or #551843558676758569 or if you want to use the firmware as is that is a #609399695466430465 question
light trout
Lobby
#rules Code of conduct for and information about the Home Assistant Discord server.
#the-water-cooler For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related.
#creator-connection HASS Podcast: https://hasspodcast.io/
#botspam Type .help for a list of available commands.
Support channels
#330944238910963714 _For questions about Home Assistant itself
#beta Problems with a beta release?
#frontend-archived Discussion regarding the Lovelace UI and configuration.
#cloud-archived For reporting issues with Home Assistant cloud service ONLY
Installation
#449717345808547842 Run Home Assistant using Docker - NOT HASS.IO!
#330990055533576204 Discussions only about Hass.io and its add-ons.
#613790866523422723 Does not need a description
#551864459891703809 Virtual environment based installs
Companions
#android-archived Support for Home Assistant Companion for Android
#ios_and_mac-archived Support for Home Assistant Companion for iOS
Related
#cameras-archived For all your camera streaming/viewing fun - when it comes to Home Assistant anyway
#609399695466430465 For discussions and questions about custom components, custom Lovelace cards
#diy-archived Build your own IoT devices.
#node-red-archived Flow-based programming for the Internet of Things.
#zigbee-archived Zigbee 🐝
#zwave-archived
#general-archived Stuff that doesn't fit anywhere yet, maybe we need another channel?
Developer channels (NO SUPPORT)
#developers General room for all developers to discuss development related topics
#devs_core-archived Development of Home Assistant
#devs_frontend-archived Development of Home Assistant's front end.
#devs_supervisor-archived Development of Hass.io.
#devs_mobile_apps-archived Development of the Home Assistant Companion for Android and iOS
#devs_documentation-archived Development of the docs.
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
🤣
ocean mirage
banned
clear ferry
light trout
How is that a codewall?
clear ferry
it's technically flooding!
light trout
You are technically flooding
clear ferry
oh shit, I must remember to book a hotel room at thomasloven-country
light trout
And still NO snow!
clear ferry
@ocean mirage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtbdctQIqYw
Fun Norwegian fact for you @ocean mirage , the letter æ Æ is pronounced the same as the a in sad but don't say sæd in Norwegian
ocean mirage
What planet are you from atx
clear ferry
From Terra Prima
ocean mirage
Thats some primo terra
clear ferry
But I crossed a thinny to get here
ocean mirage
what is sæd
clear ferry
Ask @light trout
light trout
Yeah I'm very sæd
clear ferry
Sounds sticky
light trout
It is
clear ferry
😲
split wolf
i have a question
clear ferry
This had better be good!
light trout
I have a answer
clear ferry
an answer !
light trout
Fu2
split wolf
i got hacs .zip file extract it to virtual box of my HA 0.100 ,how to load it?
light trout
Carefully
clear ferry
virtualbox again 🤢
light trout
#609399695466430465 for #609399695466430465 ;), but all you need is in the docs for it ;)
split wolf
@light trout i know but i don't get it until now ,i'll read it again ,thanks
obtuse topaz
Running in VirtualBox, what a madlad
light trout
Better than python venv on windows
clear ferry
🤢
light trout
☝ 🤢
obtuse topaz
clear ferry
I'm still waiting for someone to come in saying they are having trouble with their Proxmox VM running Windows 7, running virtualbox with a gentoo install inside it trying to get hassio to run
light trout
clear ferry
clear ferry
So you have upgraded from Longhorn then
ocean mirage
Wait no I am still on Foghorn Leghorn
clear ferry
I say, I say, I saaaay
low harness
Ah. Longhorn. Those were the days. So much promise.
clear ferry
Yes
So many bluescreens
so little time
but atleast it was more stable than nashville
now that is interesting ,the winds from the US to europe must be strong
a flight to atlanta takes 10 hours, but from atlanta takes 8 hours
low harness
Can't even blame that on the timezones.
clear ferry
I should implement security through obscurity by installing all my servers with Nynorsk
Vil du halde fram Endringane skrivast til disk
clear ferry
@low harness I went ahead with hotel Conrad, it seemed quaint and nice 🤣
clear ferry
noice, I got my first KVM machine up and running with a working bridge network
hushed basalt
Anyone know about soldering irons
scenic radish
they get hot
clear ferry
And they are usually pointy
mental garden
they take some form of electricity
clear ferry
I think some of them might have adjustments also
mental garden
pro tip: keep them away from your genitals
scenic radish
that is the pro-est of tips right there
clear ferry
don't hold them like this either https://images.app.goo.gl/JWdakHPkzRoo5uCS9
scenic radish
is this SFW?
scenic radish
yeet
clear ferry
stores are now full of christmas stuff
I should buy some and ship to people for christmas 🤣
willow coral
hey could someone help me with a (I think simple) firewall/security thing?
I recently added a firewall to my phone and saw a lot of traffic (different ip's) coming from the hass app, even though the only connection to take place should be [myip]:443
clear ferry
Which Hass app? #ios_and_mac-archived is the only official one
unreal orbit
It's unofficial then. I'd uninstall it
willow coral
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.axzae.homeassistant Oh it got 2 stars, back then I first installed it it had a way higher amount
Ohhhh most 1 star ratings are people not getting how to log in or how the app works
unreal orbit
It hasn't been updated in almost 2 years, so that's not surprising
clear ferry
😂
willow coral
I mean the thing is opensource, so I trusted it
clear ferry
There is a good one that a lot of people use for Android even if it isn't official
unreal orbit
You don't need to install something from the play store. Just use the PWA
clear ferry
Ariela is the app, but the PWA is good enough for most stuff
unreal orbit
Open chrome and go to your HA address
it should give you an option to add to home screen
if not you'll find it in the site options menu
(it stands for progressive web app)
willow coral
Wait, pwa as in google?
unreal orbit
As in the progressive web app for homeassistant
willow coral
Ohhhh
right
yeah except that I like to not have to open a browser tab to switch on and off my lights
unreal orbit
That's not how it works
clear ferry
You should use automations for that anyway 😛
clear ferry
I'm driving home from work, so I'm not very avaliable for such a discussion 😂
willow coral
I don't think we understand what we mean
There's not much of a discussion, just some things that are unclear
unreal orbit
It's not just a shortcut. Follow the instructions in the gif posted above ^
willow coral
Genuine question, what is the difference between this and me doing the same but for wikipedia?
Wouldn't both be shortcuts to webpages, what is the difference here
unreal orbit
Just try it
please
you will see the difference
Please don't make me post a sarcastic lmgtfy
low harness
That's not a very nice answer to a serious and good question.
low harness
Not as far as I can see.
But the question was what aspects of PWA does Home Assistant use, and how does it enhance the user experience.
unreal orbit
I don't see that question anywhere.
low harness
As an iphone user, I can't answer that very well, but I'd guess you get faster boot times, access to html5 notifications and perhaps better cacheing.
scenic radish
it creates a full screen version of your frontend that looks similar to an actual app
you don't see an address bar anywhere
it opens like a regular app
willow coral
Okay so that's the difference, it opens like a normal url/shortcut, but without the browser ui
thank you
astral pulsar
So I am currently playing with both Homey and Hassio and I am getting to the stage where I need to think about returning the homey if I am going to stick with Hassio. I quite enjoy using Nodered and while Homey flows are good I just find being able to see everything across the automation in nodered better. I think the homey is okay and I know some users have issues with Zigbee and Z-Wave over there which I have not experienced myself but I am left a little uneasy that certain feature are missing an "promised" (backup and restore, better Zigbee). Its just soooo hard to decide which route to go down. Homey is expensive so I don't want to flush £329 down the pan lol For those long time HA users how do you find the stability of HA. Is it a system where you have to keep fixing things?
scenic radish
you get an app icon in your app tray that you can move to your home screen
willow coral
I see
Currently I do not have chrome installed and do not plan to, thank you for the suggestion and teaching me what a PWA is, but I'm still looking for something as convenient as I had before.
clear mirage
So why do i keep getting this error: Component error: packages - Integration 'packages' not found
clear ferry
@willow coral ariela app is worth checking out then, not official but apparently good
scenic radish
@clear mirage you were in the right spot in #330944238910963714. don't cross post
clear mirage
ok
scenic radish
damn boi
clear ferry
Snow porn
scenic radish
my fiancee would love that picture, i'll have to show her l8r
scenic radish
i'm not on the 'gram unfortunately
obtuse topaz
Just spent 320$ on switches 
mental garden
What kind did you get?
obtuse topaz
They look really well made indeed, just hope I'll be able to connect them
Do you recommend the conbee ii or another stick?
boreal pewter
conbee
serene escarp
hey guys, do you think it's possible to have a chromecast play a specific youtube playlist via home assistant without a workaround like doing TTS on google home? Like on Spotify you can specify a playlist URI to play; could you do this with YouTube on Chromecast?
obtuse topaz
dang there are so many channels, don't know in which one to ask since question kind of falls in multiple categories
scenic radish
What's the question?
obtuse topaz
about configuring some mqtt buttons in the Ui, or well, issues im having with setting them up
scenic radish
Probably #330944238910963714 or maybe #general-archived
obtuse topaz
thanks tedi 👌
scenic radish
You got it homie 👍
boreal pewter
lol I finally solved an issue I yet had a few times by suddenly thinking of the correct cause and with an effort of a minute
scenic radish
🎉 ❓
boreal pewter
🍰
hearty depot
most boring thing to do.. moving hosts and while there tiding up your config, nothing new - not much gained
clear ferry
light trout
try:
do_stuff()
except Exception:
print("Shit happens bro..")
except Exception as e:
import webbrowser
webbrowser.open(f"https://stackoverflow.com/search?q={e}")```that's actually really cool
I think "vulnerability" is a bit of a stretch here. I guess it's technically correct, but in the real world that's a bit of an absurd proposition
scenic radish
yeah... requires line of sight and knowledge of where the device is at in the first place, among other things
unreal orbit
and if you enable the ability to open your garage/lock with a voice command I think you have bigger problems
scenic radish
yeah...
unreal orbit
Sound travels through glass, no laser required
scenic radish
plus i'm pretty sure that requires a spoken PIN anyway
low harness
xkcd 1807
low harness
Didn't want you to have to move your hands to the mouse. ctrl+t xkcd 1807 <enter> <tab> <enter> <enter>
midnight adder
hi guys, what about EspHome channel?
wet pilot
what about it?
midnight adder
is it gone? I can't find it
wet pilot
wet pilot
lol
clear ferry
strange vapor
Hmmm, that was easier than expected. The mpd component wasn't reporting back how far into a track it is, so no progress bar. Turned out to fairly easy to fix. Some tests, and will push up 🙂
hearty depot
Congrats @strange vapor how you using mpd? Had about 2 years ago my spin with it. But it was really hard to get it on my speakers
strange vapor
@hearty depot Mopidy on a server with Snapcast Server component, and then a few Pi Zero W with DAC and Snapcast Client around the house.
Haven't quite got the presence detection going yet, but can quickly choose which speakers are active from HA.
Presence detection is next
strange vapor
Snapcast is really damn nice, perfect sync around the house if all speakers are going.
hearty depot
Maybe I have time this weekend 🙈 could you share your config by any chance?
strange vapor
Not exactly a lot to share, but not a problem! The snapcast config is trivial in that there's basically no config other than telling the clients where the server is and giving them handy unique ids, and the mopidy config is pretty simple ini format.
The part you have to put in for snapcast is well documented.
I actually gave Sonos a try before going down this route. Sonos is REALLY nice hardware, and the software is fairly decent. However, if you have a large local library, Sonos doesn't give a shit about you!!
hearty depot
I'm a aweful person - would love to skip the documentation part.
Smb1 is the main reason against an sonos
strange vapor
Yup. Point blank refuse to voluntarily deploy SMBv1 😄
dull chasm
why not get a good avr with zones?
strange vapor
A lot of cabling to do right. Have a decent wireless network which works well with snapcast. Mopidy also does a decent job of fronting Spotify and other services as well if required.
hearty depot
In my case Because there is already decent hardware around
dull chasm
well yes and no ....yamaha has musiccast with wireless
strange vapor
Like @hearty depot I also have lots of decent audio hardware lying about. The speakers in one room are a set of Tannoy Reveal studio monitors which I hadn't got rid of yet, which is probably slight overkill 😄
velvet horizonBOT
Underknowledge is away for 1m 24s with a message :point_right: zzzzZ
dull chasm
i would ssay ...but i got kliscph in bedroom and living room
static plinth
I just wanna say everyone here helping is awesome
green inlet
What is everyone using on their Pi for antivirus/malware? I finally figured out my firewall and now I am chasing about 10 new his a day inbound and 50-100 new hits a day outbound. Either my outbound firewall rule isn’t working or I have caught something.
light trout
Rainbows and sparkles 🌈 ✨
hushed basalt
I personally would just backup what you need then nuke the sd card from orbit
Rpi OSs should be pretty dispoable. Considering how quickly consumer SD cards can fail
young sigil
How to backup your data wirelessly. https://youtu.be/c1qip1-1W9A
boreal pewter
And add more RAM to the Pi so even if you had 20 viruses they could stay in the RAM: https://downloadmoreram.com
And also check your firewall here: https://isthefirewallbroken.info
wet pilot
and if its not the firewall, its dns
obtuse topaz
Tried to automate the backup process, but quickly found out that it can lead to data corruption when the system backs up down the stairs
boreal pewter
You can easily automate, actually, everything. You just need to know what switches to trigger...
thorn ermine
@obtuse topaz I use gitlab and gitlab-ci to deliver new configuration, so, I have permanent back up of my current configuration 🙂
clever mortar
If you're not automating your backups, you don't care enough about your data
I've been managing automated backups for about as long as Python has been around as a language. Never really had a problem with data corruption unless the data being backed up was already corrupt 😉
boreal pewter
In Duplicati I also do on-the-fly Backups of HA, which would actually fail in the DEFAULT config. You just need to check some options and it will work. While DB restores of HA will probably be useless then due to data corruption I still have another reoccuring backup (every night) beside my standard versioning in GIT
So double-backup (kinda)
I also have another backup strategy for MariaDB's in Docker which are scripted
clever mortar
Yeah, backing up databases is a little more effort, much like imaging live file systems is a little more effort
There's no shortage of tools for doing those though
boreal pewter
I also think about a "glitch in the matrix" setup and host my own personal Nextcloud in a unlimited storage cloud
I wonder if they saw that coming 😛
light trout
Looks like Friday is the new snow date for us @clear ferry
strange vapor
clear ferry
Woop, I have just started my drive to thomasloven-land
hushed basalt
You northerners can't even afford sun apparently
clever mortar
Perth here is 4C 😛
harsh ingot
-6c currently here
clear ferry
-4 here
wicked socket
Hi all, I don't know the best channel to ask, so I will start here 🙂 I am starting with home-assistant and I would like to add some kind of alarm system to my home that can talk to HA. Motion sensors, siren and maybe some other sensors would be great. I am looking at Minut, but maybe some of you have better ideas?
clever mortar
See the channel topics for what's on topic where 😉
For that, #330944238910963714 would be where to begin
wicked socket
@clever mortar Thanks 🙂 i thought that would be rather the software itself, rather than the components it can talk to
clever mortar
Well, this is the one channel where the HA ecosystem is off topic 😛
strange vapor
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a013200/a013285/TESS_south_hires_azeq_no_labels_16K.jpg (205MB 16kx16k JPG of southern hemisphere from TESS, might take a while to open up)
clear ferry
205MB
green inlet
@wet pilot , I use Pihole so in theory all my dns servers should be known correct?
clear ferry
strange vapor
@clear ferry Slack says 215, and in some cases crashes if you say to load it 😄
clear ferry
@strange vapor send it to all Americans you know, they all seem to have metered connections 
strange vapor
Good plan!!
hushed basalt
There's this API doc I have to open sometimes
And it's like 50 MB of pure text
Single page of course
clear ferry
clear ferry
Just Google translate it to your preferred language
Sounds like something a HA-developer might do 
light trout
Ffs... A few years ago they made that info "public" you just have to send in a email to get a API key..
For that exact reason too, they had a campaign where they wanted students to come up with app ideas (with content from the registers)
clear ferry
That's Norwegian companies for you
I had a friend get in trouble for that Tele2 case
Must be 10 years ago now
strange vapor
@clear ferry Deepl doesn't understand Norwayish
clear mirage
Well I have successfully got ha set up on running in ubuntu server in docker.
clear ferry
Atleast it was Ubuntu server 😛
clever mortar
Ah, but is it Ubuntu Server in Docker, or Docker on Ubuntu Server, or Ubuntu running Docker running Ubuntu...
clear mirage
Yea I followed JuanMTechs instructions and really went pretty easy. Now I just have to set everything up again. I would reload from a snapshot but I have a lot of devices that I no longer use and figure it just easier to start from scratch.
frail adder
whats everyone using as doorbells here ?
clear ferry
Xiaomi button
frail adder
how does it do on cold weather ?
orchid rose
survived the northern finnish winter just fine
with temps under -30. So it'll probably survive anywhere 😛
clear ferry
Did it get pissed on and beaten up and left for dead in the snow?
Then it would be genuine Finnish winter
orchid rose
rude
frail adder
awesome, i guess its time to jump on the xiaomi wave
unreal orbit
I use a generic 433mhz button
but we don't have weather where I am so I cannot attest to the cold-proofing
clear ferry
Xiaomi 4 lyfe
unreal orbit
My way is cheaper and doesn't have to be paired
frail adder
whats the best place to buy xiaomi products from the US ? ebay? alixpress ? @clear ferry
im assuming i will need a hub and the buttons/sensors
frail adder
any preferred vendor on there ? ( sorry im just getting started )
clear ferry
#zigbee-archived is the best place to ask for purchasing tips though
frail adder
👍
clear ferry
Is it in a quantum superposition?
clever mortar
#609399695466430465 would know
Because, you know, nobody ever reads the channel names, or topics, these days
See also https://hacs.xyz/help
brisk glen
wtf
pallid basin
Sorry for spamming the other channels with this link. My bad. I've been directed to post this link inside of the lounge area.
I'm running a tablet/dashboard survey to compile more information on what folks have set up in their home and how well it works. If you're running a wall tablet or dashboard in your house, can you take a few minutes to fill out the survey? Thanks! And again, sorry for any spam.
clever mortar
That's fine, you can flood it with crappy data 😛
brisk glen
people are going to have different experiences with how good of a tablet in the wall setup you have
like one with ir to tell if you are in-front of it and turns on etc is better than a fire tablet
lol
light trout
If a survey have > 4 questions I can tick or mark, I don't even read the questions
pallid basin
43 people have filled it out so far. It's been an interesting ride.
make that 29
*49
clever mortar
I can see somebody has never used Google Forms before
brisk glen
heh
brisk glen
for this kind of survey, you are better off doing a free smart home setup as a testing period
pallid basin
A who what now?
pallid basin
I'm not selling anything
brisk glen
but then again, HA is still not mass ready
pallid basin
or intending to
pallid basin
Mostly I started to compile all this stuff to figure out what others are doing/using so that when I go to buy a fire tablet on black friday/cyber monday I don't buy something that wont be able to run what I'd like
clever mortar
That is totally the wrong way of doing that...
pallid basin
I found a bunch of dashboarding options out there
clever mortar
Step one, identify the requirements for those software
Then you can make sane decisions
brisk glen
identify what you would want in one
do you want the screen to auto turn on when you walk in front of it?
auto turn off when you walk away?
act like a dashboard?
aka use eink instead?
clever mortar
This feels like I don't know what I want, so I must know everything
brisk glen
plus how much power are you willing to waste on this tablet
how much time are you willing to spend setting it up etc
lay out all of the requirements, order by priority, then do some research
treat it like a project manager
and you will be very happy with the end result
clever mortar
Also, pulling a wall of data points doesn't help you at all
Assuming anybody takes it seriously that is
pallid basin
A wall of data points?
brisk glen
that is what your survey is
clever mortar
11 pages of questions, I'm guessing 4 or 5 tablets?
Many of the questions are pointless, or overlapping, or ... well, as I said, you've clearly never done a survey before
pallid basin
Clearly
brisk glen
I tend to like....... windows pro tablets for ease of use
linux if you know what you are doing
never trust android
clever mortar
Or, root it 😉
pallid basin
The survey has 11 sections, but skips to the end if you only have a single tablet
Its designed so that you don't have to fill it out multiple times
so far no one has beyond 2 tablets
brisk glen
at that point, it may as well be a pi with a nice 7 inch display in the wall
more reliable
clever mortar
Or a Google Home Hub type display using Google's interface
That's currently the bulk of our "wall tablet" use
clever mortar
Which is fine, as long as they don't kill voice 😛
99% automation
0.99% voice
0.01% UI
brisk glen
heh
clever mortar
I mean, if the Google Home link fails, it could be days/weeks before we noticed 🤷
pallid basin
I'm more of a fan of local control, less of a fan of relying on google to not kill off another one of their products
brisk glen
raspberry pi with a screen or a windows tablet are probably your best choices
light trout
I use cloud where I can
clever mortar
If I didn't have the Home Hubs, I'd have gone Pi + touchscreen
brisk glen
there are also "enterprise grade" stuff but they are stupid expensive
pallid basin
@brisk glen - best choices based upon what criteria?
brisk glen
maintaining them
if you want a nice all in one package and are willing to pay some more, a decent windows 10 tablet with pro to manage the updates is a easy slap on the wall
wet pilot
gross
brisk glen
this way the updates kick off at midnight
wet pilot
only if you have a domain and wsus
brisk glen
@wet pilot not allways
wet pilot
otherwise M$ might just brick your install with a random update
pallid basin
And tablets can't auto-update?
brisk glen
I despise android for something stable
wet pilot
have no beef with rpi though
brisk glen
.... good thing I am rolling in edu keys
wet pilot
apparently if you ever click the "check updates" button, you're on the fast lane
brisk glen
lol rip
light trout
Correct, that is even if you have WSUS in your network.
We needed a GPO to revert that click, because users....
brisk glen
I usually delay updates by a week or 2
brisk glen
looks like pi is king then
wet pilot
OSX isn't much better
brisk glen
ya... 10.15 and ios 13 have been... fun
pallid basin
10.15 has been nothing but problems
brisk glen
@pallid basin not soo much on 10.15 with normal macos apps
with uikit apps..... fuckk me
wet pilot
android itself has been decently stable lately. Linux of your preferred flavor is as stable as your choices 😉
pallid basin
^ this
brisk glen
@wet pilot no more ops, we made the UI leak memory in this 6month version
will not fix till the next version?
clever mortar
I've had zero Android stability issues since... well, ever, even on tablets
wet pilot
was that android or some skin thing?
pallid basin
Yeah, rPI with a touchscreen is a decent option. But they only make a 7" kit?
clever mortar
Then again, I'm using Windows as a benchmark...
brisk glen
@clever mortar you missed out on 4.x days
brisk glen
@wet pilot android ui itself would leak
brisk glen
yahn it was 4.x days
brisk glen
I was turned off big time from android
wet pilot
i think that's back when i would root and install cyanogen
light trout
My fist android experience was 4.x after a few years with iOS, I had that device for 2months, and did not use android again untill this year
brisk glen
no patches from google on even their phones
wet pilot
things are much different these days
brisk glen
@light trout and is it decent now?
light trout
I like it, way better then what iOS would give me
wet pilot
only major OS issue was my fault because of my choices 😉 running beta of 10 and had to wipe my phone to fix it once
brisk glen
@scenic radish 4.x all the way past 4.4
wet pilot
but, beta
scenic radish
things are better now, maybe you're talking about back in the day
ah yeah way back in the day
brisk glen
yah
scenic radish
yeah things have changed quite a bit since the KitKat days
wet pilot
i think the UI is shipped via the play store these days
they've been de-coupling a lot of things lately
brisk glen
thats.. interesting
and thats kinda sad that they have to do that.. in order to provide updates
scenic radish
@wet pilot what?
wet pilot
vendors are shit
scenic radish
some system stuff can be updated through the play store, yeah
wet pilot
yep, they've been pushing as much there as possible
because Sammy and carriers suck and software and should feel bad
scenic radish
not sure what you mean by the UI though. unless you're specifically talking about the pixel launcher
scenic radish
my experience since 2011 has also only been stock android with a brief visit to OxygenOS, so i'm not sure what might vary among other manufacturers
scenic radish
ah interesting
wet pilot
but long time ago as far as software is concerned
scenic radish
that's more manufacturers themselves than it is google
brisk glen
yah
wet pilot
already made a bad choice for looking at hardware at wallmart
brisk glen
in my case, im stuck with apple
scenic radish
people make a huge deal about muh fragmentation with android, but also seem to forget it's primarily the manufacturers' faults
brisk glen
there is no saving me
wet pilot
but "muh fragmentation" is why google has been pulling a lot of shit out of the os and moving it to the play store
brisk glen
i put a 7 year new lease with them with this mini
scenic radish
@wet pilot right. and project treble
wet pilot
treble or fuchsia? 😛
wet pilot
we'll see
wet pilot
i think they're very interested in killing java
that whole mess costed them a ton of money
brisk glen
they should have killed it years ago
wet pilot
that circles back to the fragmentation problem
brisk glen
in 4.x we were hoping they would kill it
keep it there as a legacy in 5x and 6.x
even 7.x
8x should have been java free
wet pilot
heh that's probably gone forever
wet pilot
they didn't translate well
scenic radish
yup
brisk glen
ubuntu phone was a sad death
light trout
translate?
light trout
you should not translate names
scenic radish
people outside the US might not be familiar with them
i think that's what they said
light trout
Watch more TV then
wet pilot
lol
scenic radish
lmao
so fossil just released the collider which might finally replace my pebble
only downside is no microphone for voice reply... but i haven't really used that much anyway
clever mortar
I've never used the mic on my Pebbles, or my TicWatch
light trout
pebble has mic?
scenic radish
yeah
brisk glen
the new old ones do
scenic radish
"new old"
light trout
new old? recursion error exception
brisk glen
I was soo sad when fitbit bought them
was the only other watch besides an apple watch that I considered
the color eink was amazing
scenic radish
the pebble time series was the first with a mic
light trout
pebble time == new old
prebble == old
pebble time round == fancy new old?
brisk glen
I miss the pebble
scenic radish
except my four-year-old PTR is down to one day of battery life
clever mortar
My Pebble still works, but the app I used for the watch face got pulled so I can't use that any more
brisk glen
I hope google revives them now that they own fitbit
clever mortar
And I haven't found anything else I like :/
scenic radish
they won't
clever mortar
I'll be happy with a decent WearOS watch
brisk glen
the pebble was such a good smart watch 😦
scenic radish
@clever mortar neither have i. like i said above though, the fossil collider is actually a contender
clever mortar
The TicWatch is ok, but battery life sucks
brisk glen
I get a day and a half with my apple watch
scenic radish
and $195 isn't bad
light trout
maybe I should dust off my pebble 😛
boreal pewter
Xiaomi released their new watch
scenic radish
boo
boreal pewter
But for now I stay away from watches with less than a week capacity
clear ferry
I love my amazfit bip, 33 days battery life is so nice
clear ferry
No need, I control it via headset 🤷
brisk glen
I wish google would make their own watch cpu and go here
revive the dead wearos market with something decent
clever mortar
I'm now watching the YouTube review of the Hybrid
brisk glen
half of the issue is hardware
scenic radish
@clever mortar link pls
clever mortar
scenic radish
thank
clever mortar
scenic radish
mmmm 60fps
clever mortar
I like the look of it
scenic radish
same
i'm tempted to buy it now but i'd be so annoyed if there were a black friday sale lol
clever mortar
I'd love the bezel of the first, with the hands of the second 😂
First world problems 😄
brisk glen
I would love if they made it almost all eink
added touch like the new kindles
man, that would be one sexy watch
I would pay $400 for a color eink almost edge to edge version with touch
then again, I wish for a pebble time replacement
scenic radish
second one is my choice
dammit i want it now
but i'm gonna wait until black friday
scenic radish
lol
i'm ok with the choice of e-ink instead of transflective LCD (yes, not e-paper) that the Pebble Time used
longer battery life
light trout
Yes please
clever mortar
You just need to grab a replicator from the NCC-1701
scenic radish
Ah perf, thx
scenic radish
Yeah but dominos is terrible
light trout
Best around me, but will not give me API access :(
scenic radish
But my fiancee likes it so I guess I'm doomed to a life of bad pizza 😦
That's a bummer, why not?
light trout
They probably not trust their own capability to have it secure enough 🤷
scenic radish
Ah maybe not
clear ferry
@low harness your city was bigger than expected
scenic radish
not sure what i think about it
clear ferry
@scenic radish mostly what I drink the last year
light trout
why?
clear ferry
Sours or berline weisse
light trout
important to stay hydrated
clear ferry
@light trout because I have had time for six beers the last year 😛
light trout
I want the beer christmas calendar from meny this year
scenic radish
/r/hydrohomies
pallid basin
I like drinking a sour when I want to drink the same beer for an hour...
clear ferry
I usually spend an hour on a beer when I drink weissbier
But that is because they come in 0.7-1l bottles
light trout
that's about 3lbs and 4ft?
clear ferry
A quarter of a Mississippi pound
low harness
It was actually the third largest city in Sweden once. After Stockholm and Riga.
light trout
Riga is in sweeden?
low harness
It was back then.
clear ferry
When Thomas was young
low harness
Back when Trondheim was in Sweden.
clear ferry
And we all spoke Swedish
I speak pretty well Swedish they say
I fooled a colleague for over a month that I was a swede
From norrbotten
low harness
Well. That's easy. Just don't say anything at all, then.
clear ferry
Also you speak more normalized here than I thought
I would have guessed closer to Malmø
amber ice
@light trout Am I missing something? Apparently I should see Themes via HACS according to this Repo: https://github.com/home-assistant-community-themes/midnight#hacs Can't find it though... Any ideas?
light trout
1: Did you read the docs?
2: #609399695466430465 for #609399695466430465
clear ferry
Where is #ludeeus just for pinging you in public
light trout
Nowhere and everywhere
amber ice
Hehe
light trout
most days I wonder why I even bother to write docs
clear ferry
Because @clever mortar reads them
clever mortar
Somebody has to
light trout
I think he is the only one
clever mortar
Also, they're more interesting than the stuff I read at work
light trout
but he it don't need it
clear ferry
I don't read much at work either
clever mortar
That's 'cos I read them already - well, after I wanted to do something 😄
clear ferry
I usually write the docs there 😛
clear ferry
Although mostly informal ones
Because the formal ones are useless
With their American gibberish
clever mortar
First set of docs I wrote for were of a ... relaxed and chatty style. My aim being to write docs people would actually read. My test user loved it, my management hated it and I had to re-write it all 🤷
wet pilot
yeah...
i do some docs writing. we have a guy that takes what we write and makes the customer docs
clever mortar
Once you're beyond a few pages, writing good docs is an art
amber ice
I should have RTFM, sorry, didn't know you had such a great FAQ and website.
amber ice
You're not the only one
light trout
You are the second person saying that this week
amber ice
(Who is worried)
amber ice
I guess with the docs but forgot afterwards?
clear ferry
I'm fat and drinking alone right now
Now I'm just depressed because ludeeus hates me
light trout
YOU TOLD ME WE WHERE GOING TO HAVE SNOW
low harness
Biobaren?
clear ferry
Smokehouse
low harness
That little black box by the train station?
clear ferry
Sounds right
ebon meteor
This is truly an amazing home automation platform.
scenic radish
you're damn right
clear ferry
@ebon meteor here, have your own song, on me https://open.spotify.com/track/6ttsH99vfvkAPF3s1tIPqB?si=dfsXbiuQR2S-JHFyGDDw7Q
ebon meteor
Now, if I could just get my Vera online, and my MyQ fixed, I’d be at 100%
scenic radish
on you? how generous
clear ferry
I don't often give out personal songs: