the-water-cooler

[dusty mica]

then let us know michelle

c'mon

still tickled

bloodbath???

intensive petting between gts and raccoon?

older people dont hurt animals i heard through the grapevine

[arctic quarry]

what did I just walk in on

[dusty mica]

well..

beta's out

[weak musk]

how you doing buddy?

https://klipy.com/gifs/should-i-be-worried-about-you-tom-hopper

[warm helm]

Always

[jagged moon]

I'm considering swapping out my homepod minis around the house for smart speakers that use my home assistant server rather than the cloud. Are there existing home assistant smart speaker projects already or is this more of a roll your own kind of thing?

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001 reccomendations tag

[ocean oar]

As with all things, there are solutions for people with one money and three time, and for people with three money and one time 😆

[jagged moon]

I wonder if this is an esphome kind of thing

hmm, so an ESP can do the thing....I wonder what kind of audio qualty I coudl get out of one. I doesnt need to be Dolby, but anythign about 90s-answering-machine woudl be preferable

[weak musk]

yep great, #1284966353798697001

[rigid aurora]

anyone know (sorry not sure where to ask, hopefully is just a simple question), if I HAVE to run the upgrade commandlet in the release notes for HAOS 17, to migrate the storage driver for docker? It says existing users can migrate, but it isn't clear if I HAVE to do it straight away?

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515

[rigid aurora]

thanks!

[gray granite]

Does it matter if i update core first or OS first?

[dawn badge]

In most cases it should not make any difference, but if you want to discuss further then please start a thread in #1284966540617449515

[weak musk]

If there is a dependency it will tell you.

[gray granite]

Ah thats good to know, thank you!

[dire cobalt]

Is the matter integration working for anyone?

All devices now greyed out after update…

[weak musk]

#1284966617670881350

[hallow fossil]

well, it took me a week's worth of free time, but my homelab has been moved from docker containers on my desktop to a k8s cluster on dedicated hardware

1 n150 mini-pc, 1 external HDD, 1 Raspberry Pi 2, 1 Raspberry Pi 3, and 2 Raspberry Pi 4s.

[vivid wraith]

my innovelli didn’t get delivered today

it said couldn’t be delivered b/c weather

the trash guys came and took out my trash tho

[static schooner]

And some cool smart switches

[near atlas]

check out my dope Litter-Robot card I made

ignore the last seen date its wrong lol

[static schooner]

Looks great! Say hi to chunky Carl

[near atlas]

will do!

[static schooner]

I have a similarly chunky Holly

[near atlas]

big cats ftw

idk why but carl is huge but not crazy fat

[static schooner]

Cat tax:

Also a happy litter robot user

[near atlas]

Ill link it tomorrow probably once I have the repo going. Im probably going to polish the card up a bit more but it should be ready to go configuration forms and all!

[static schooner]

My dashboard is a little more sparse:

[near atlas]

That's much better than what I had setup 😛

[static schooner]

I'll get an LR5 when they have a litter hopper and get cat #4 on the board

[near atlas]

im honestly kinda surprised at the lack of contributed cards and such

not HASS fault just figured with how many users there are that there would be more people lusting after prettier dashboards

[near atlas]

on this note im slightly upset that my litter robot can detect poop better than my bambu printer can detect spaghetti

[static schooner]

it's gotten a lot more reliable with firmwre updates in the last 2-3 years.

[hoary canyon]

Nice! I’ve been messing around with trying to get a Liquid Glass-esque style into my HA install recently.

[forest edge]

everyone has different preferences

kind of protesting the LR5

don't like the direction the company is starting to go

[near atlas]

Thats totally a fair critique. I was just more talking about the offerings of niche cards for various products

[forest edge]

don't think many want to deal with the headaches of answering support questions when someone tries using one incorrectly lol

[near atlas]

That’s fair. I hope to god that people could figure out this card since all you need to pick is your vacuum(litter-robot) and cat name lol but I’m sure someone would find a way to fk it up

[unborn merlin]

was it fedex?

[vivid wraith]

usps

[glossy magnet]

Hi! everyone. New to community, would like to contribute to the project. Any tips for getting started?

[iron granite]

https://developers.home-assistant.io

[peak slate]

I'm on of those people who doesn't have a single custom card on their dashboard, the way I kinda view it is it's less to worry about breaking with updates in case the card maintainer doesn't update for Ha before I run updates, or if it just loses the maintainer

[nocturne condor]

Hey all. Is there channel just for HACS? Are there still supposed to be header option at the top? Just haveing issues and i want to post in the correct spot.

[static schooner]

It's an #1284966582375813201

It also has a whole server

[silent dove]

Home Assistant Community Store allows for easy installation and management of custom unsupported integrations. They even have a Discord server for issues with HACS itself.

[static schooner]

And #find-a-channel is for finding a channel

[warm helm]

I'm channeling

[vivid wraith]

Hooray 3x unifi e7 arrived in the mail

And the guy installing the wired backhaul is coming today

[vivid wraith]

But my new router isn’t here yet so I can’t set up VLANs

[static schooner]

I haven't had a chance to break my network yet

[vivid wraith]

exactly

[dreamy mist]

Lol, I remember the day setting up Opnsense box and having a lot less hair by the end of that day 😂

[warm helm]

Why I don't do that at home

[scenic radish]

🤣

[warm helm]

Its 2026, who is calling?

[dreamy mist]

A lot of local businesses around me don't even have a website

[warm helm]

I use the app while standing in the building

[high remnant]

Apps so you can see the pricing

[long wave]

Hi any fun home automation projects? I'm kinda stumped for ideas

[minor bobcat]

If a Light turns on it uses a random RGB color

Great with motion sensors

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rgull1t-shakespeare-you-VGsIWTeWz0hKblzDdT

[minor bobcat]

I genuinely use that lol

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-saturday-night-live-snl-2016-3oriOaLBINGcizAdJm

I am all in on adaptive lighting, though I need to work on switches still with this problem and no neutrals.

[weak musk]

just upgrade the electrical in your house!

from the ground up

[warm helm]

Withhouse prices and interest rates how they are, that is actually looking like the option

I only have a 50amp service

[weak musk]

I'm doing it on my "new" house.

but 50amp is wild, mine has 100 currently and that seems crazy low

[warm helm]

I need to double check but that is what I recall from the inspection. House was built in 79

[weak musk]

mine was built in 54-- and the electric is original....

[warm helm]

oof

[weak musk]

it's about a 22k job

[warm helm]

Probably worse when you factor in fixing the drywall

[weak musk]

I actually don't think that will be significant. It's a 1 story ranch with full access from the attic and underneath in the crawlspace.

I can also do that myself (though I really don't want to lol)

[warm helm]

With mine, its 2 stories but a raise ranch, at worst they would have to pull the drop ceiling in the basement for access. Something I kinda want to do anyway and then paint the rafters black to make it at least feel bigger

Run some networking and fiber at the same time

[stuck mortar]

What if our neighborhood uses overhead lines for distribution?

[warm helm]

move

[steel pumice]

is this considered a perfect pill split

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-5275984653907547388

[steel pumice]

couldn't get more perfect than this tbh

[crisp oriole]

Finally i can call the assist give me all the lights or what ever. And then i have one light identity to control the color and brightness of all the lights

[warm helm]

Time to automate it

[warm helm]

One day you will ask just because I can should I?

[crisp oriole]

Perhaps oneday i understand what you say

[acoustic saffron]

https://newsletter.openhomefoundation.org/dont-rent-what-you-need-to-own/

If I had the willpower, I would create a true federated and decentralized Discord alternative that is on the same level as something like Bluesky and use the EU Tech Sovereign Fund to make it a reality

[warm helm]

Matrix, kinda

[acoustic saffron]

Matrix is actual garbage

1. Your account is locked to homeservers,
2. It's far more group-focused (the moderation tools should give it away) as opposed to running communities
3. The protocol is a mess of issues, and they have so many problems with spam, where homeserver and space/room moderators just do not have the tools to combat it
4. Their implementations are clearly different for the sake of being unique, which makes some of the ways they implement certain features completely atrocious

[arctic quarry]

Making non-functional code changes: refactoring
Frenck violently making non-functional code changes: refactgoring

[glacial knot]

But why would you not want functional programming paradigms

[earnest pivot]

I’ve spent the last few days setting up matter over thread. My key takeaway from this “adventure” is that MoT is nowhere near ready for prime time.

I’m tired boss

[steel pumice]

yay got new acs

cant believe we got acs in the living room now

[viral sparrow]

I'm kinda proud of my current dashboard! It's simple, but clean!

It's mind blowing that the house in my dashboard looks EXACTLY like my real house and it was the first try with Gemini. I only had to fix minor mistakes like the right facade which wasn't visible on the single input image, so it's kinda expected.

[glacial knot]

That's a cute house
Is the entrance opposite the garage doors?

[runic jewel]

I'm going to crash out if Home Assistant Map doesn't start working 🙃

[glacial knot]

/me is waiting for the February release to get control over the robot vacuum back

I hope it's in there...

[viral sparrow]

it's right next to the garage door facing the top left

you can't see it in this image

[glacial knot]

Ohh, hidden behind the house for the most part

[viral sparrow]

it's not perfect, the distance between the front facade and the wall where the garage door sits should be greater

to enter the house you turn right when standing in front of the garage

in this image there wouldn't be much room for a door, but I'm still happy with it

[warm helm]

I wish my house was like that. A bunch in my neighborhood have then on the back. Bigger drive, less yard, more hidden

[viral sparrow]

this was the input image I sent to Gemini, incredible result from just this imo (added an arrow which points at the door)

prompt was: Create a cute, isometric house based on this house. It should have a cozy vibe and look like an asset from a video game.

[glacial knot]

Yea, some places around here got that as well

I just barely have any front yard 🤷

[viral sparrow]

this was the actual first result, for the subsequent tries I removed the IKEA bin from it, which is why it's gone in the previous photo 😄

[glacial knot]

Are you tiny or is the house on top of a hill?

[viral sparrow]

even the stars and the trash cans were included

[warm helm]

I live on a pretty busy road and because of that even when doing yard work I close the garage doors which can me annoying

[glacial knot]

Oh yea. I live in the middle of nowhere
So I don't care too much

[warm helm]

That's the dream, working on it. I want a drive with a gate again

[viral sparrow]

make sure it's one you can control with HA

[warm helm]

I still have to fix that. Something about my old ass opener hates my zwave smart opener. It freaks out and will just open and close itself. Connect it to the same two wires of the button too

[glacial knot]

ass opener
🍑

[warm helm]

"old ass opener".

Don't just skip a word :/

[glacial knot]

Even worse. Is it rusty?

[glacial knot]

But it's more fun that way

[warm helm]

Non rolling code

[robust flicker]

I'm not sure if I would want an old ass opener OR a new ass opener....

[warm helm]

both are better than myq

[robust flicker]

I wouldn't want your q as an ass opener either, tbh

Jokes aside, I have a tilt sensor on my garage door, and the only automation for it is that it is part of my occupancy group. So my garage lights are always on when the garage door is open. I also have 2 motions and 2 mmwave detectors in the garage. Because it's deep enough that I could easily park 2 rows of cars side by side in it if I wanted to. It's more of a shop with a garage door than just a garage

I don't have "smart" locks or doors anywhere. I don't trust them.

I have a couple of rolling code clickers, and a wired number pad for my garage door. It has myq support, but it's old enough that it needs the gateway to actually be useful in that way.. and I won't add that.

[crisp oriole]

I have the same idea. make a discord system that hooks up with wordpress nextcloud dokuwiki (linux desktops etc) to empower any group. and build a new world from bottom up

[acoustic saffron]

I mean I don't care to have it hooking into these things, but extensibility is definitely on my mind

[crisp oriole]

just give someone member hass group access and the user has home assistant access

[acoustic saffron]

Oh, you mean like a Bluesky account

That you can just modify permissions of when they're in your group

[crisp oriole]

there is a bluesky discord interface mesages from bluesky get in discord and you can reply to them

you can give any discord member of your guid. any access to any hookedup system with discord groups

wordpress editor. nextcloud file access quota doku wiki admin rights home assistant access etc

1424233156319645836

oh

https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/1424233156319645836

[warm helm]

Why can't I be rich and just buy everything?

[forest edge]

just go into debt prentending

[vivid wraith]

Okay new unifi APs here….now need to hook up opnsense router when it arrives next week and finally decide how I want the VLAN configured wrt to stuff.

I’m thinking IoT WiFi on separate VLAN with selective internet access to devices only when required (blacklist? Not sure if unifi can do a whitelist easily) but then not sure how I want to connect home assistant (ie if I should have home assistant in the VLAN and just have all devices always connected to it remotely or if I should have home assistant in the main VLAN and set up a firewall rule so it has free communication with the VLAN)

Decisions

[peak slate]

I have two iot vlans, one without lan access, but with Internet access, and one with lan access and no Internet access

For the most part the stuff requiring the Internet is a cloud integration anyway, or my LAN can reach into that vlan for local, the stuff that can talk mqtt or other local only protocols get the lan access without Internet and work just fine

[warm helm]

Your neighbors must love scrolling past all your SSIDs

[peak slate]

Otherwise punching holes for mqtt alone would work

[peak slate]

Lol I think I have 4 or 6 ssids

Normal, 2 iot, secondary, and maybe a camera ssid, though I think I decommissioned that

[warm helm]

I have 2.4, 5g, cameras, IOT and Guest

[peak slate]

When my network goes down my house lights up like a Christmas tree, since wled devices all create their own ssid in that case, and esp squeezelite does the same

I think esphome does too

So all those become like 30 ssids

[warm helm]

my kitchen google home is doing that right now :/

[peak slate]

I run the combined 2.4/5g settings, most stuff that supports 5g jumps to that

[warm helm]

Its left over from before I made the IOT vlan where shitty IOT devices wouldn't handled that correctly

Looking at you broadlink

[forest edge]

sounds exhausting

[peak slate]

Lol I have my iot vlan as 2.4 only because of that too

[warm helm]

When I have time, I will do a scream test to find all the stuff that needs to get moved

[peak slate]

I have one ssid that's basically just for my printer because I cannot figure out how to change it's Wi-Fi settings

Lol

Also it's old enough that the driver is no longer supported, so it'll need to be replaced eventually either way

[forest edge]

print server

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fail-delivery-fedex-TYlus7VAr9c4M

[vivid wraith]

My Amazon driver did that to my light bulbs except he threw it a lot farther

Speaking of I need to decide what to do for bulbs if I’m sticking with thread. The new hue bulbs work with thread iirc

[weak compass]

https://www.belkin.com/support-article/?articleNum=335419

I will not ever support them again given this announcement and I hope they shut their doors on their products because there is absolute no technical reason not to support older hardware. It’s like when Google stopped supporting the first and second GEN of their thermostat. Absolute no reason to do so other than forcing people to buy the newer hardware and creating E waste

[hoary canyon]

I think wemo atleast has local integration with HA

but I agree

[weak compass]

Do you have to flash it?

[hoary canyon]

No

[weak compass]

These are some of the older gens

[hoary canyon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/wemo/

The newer ones all have HomeKit or other protocols tho right?

[weak compass]

I have one newer one that does. The rest are just WiFi and was cloud

[hoary canyon]

The HA integration is local push

I’ve used it before with a first Gen wemo plug

stupid thing kept having WiFi issues so I eventually just replaced it with a Kasa

[weak compass]

I’ve replaced most of it with z-wave but use these for exterior.

[hoary canyon]

yea, zwave / Zigbee smart plugs for some reason are so expensive compared to WiFi, I’m fine with WiFi plugs as long as I can use them locally

prefer Zwave for built in stuff like dimmers tho

Zigbee for stuff like bulbs

[weak compass]

TY!

[hoary canyon]

Atleast wemo has a local API, that’s the only good thing I can give them

[weak compass]

That I did not know. I have HomeKit integration into home assistant so it still gives me the remote capability

[hoary canyon]

Not as bad as this 😛 - https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/03/rachio-smart-sprinkler-homekit-no-response/

TLDR they removed HomeKit because some people were having issues

all integration is now cloud

[weak compass]

I do use that for my irrigation system and did not know that was the case, although I did not have it integrated into my HomeKit. Kind of using Home Assistant as the broker for everything and HomeKit is just allowing me to have Siri integration.

That would be one system, though I would be sorely disappointed if they forced everybody to purchase newer hardware

[hoary canyon]

Wouldn’t shock me, atleast they offered refunds when they removed the functionality

so they somewhat made it right. Would be better for them to release API endpoints for LAN Usage tho

[weak compass]

Hopefully that’s the case if they discontinue the hardware

[broken kestrel]

hey hey, how’s everyone doing

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/alexg-meerkat-cute-gif-21457864

[broken kestrel]

thought there was a general channel but seems this was archived

anyway, nice to meet you all

[static schooner]

This is that. Just no support here

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ours-blanc-meme-bonjour-polaire-polar-bear-gif-25176258

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cheer-cheering-oxW9IXKWP2Ouk

[molten apex]

had my first real smarthouse related failure. my zigbee network was/is dead..

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pbs-season-15-call-the-midwife-holiday-special-6f4pahxAxi0ak58bcL

[molten apex]

my hue switches that are bound to my lights work. but i can't control from home assistant 🤔

[warm helm]

That's how binding works

Directly connected switch to light

[molten apex]

i've restarted my coordinator, restarted home assistant. turned off the bulbs that has cause interference in the past. recofigured my coordinator too 😰 still not working

logs are just telling me i am not getting ACK

[static schooner]

This is support for #1284966617670881350

[flint sundial]

Can anyone give mi advice what Hardware to buy to have local zigbee & matter thread?

[molten apex]

thanks! gonna attempt some more stuff, and if not i'll make a thread there

[iron granite]

#1284966617670881350 with the "Recommendation", "Zigbee" and "Matter" tags.

[static schooner]

This is a server for the Home Assistant open source software

[scenic radish]

say potato

[static schooner]

if you're just looking to chat with random people, this isn't the place

perhaps Adult Friend Finder

[molten apex]

yeey, everything is working again now

i have no idea why shit broke, or what actually fixed it

[ocean oar]

Time to break something else and restart the cycle!

Break it! Fix it! Break it again!

[molten apex]

it was just in time to be able to turn off the lights in my daughters bedroom 😅

feels like a little wakeup call to get physical switches back in place

biggest problem is she has a wiz (wifi) lamp, one hue (zigbee) bulb and a namron (zigbee) dimmer plug... and then a hue light switch

wiz were the only ones selling a RGB lamp that isn't made of metal. i don't have earth in my wireing and she has a loft bed, so she can very easily touch the lamp

[forest edge]

It's not?

Damn I stray into the wrong channel again

[molten apex]

we're community members, you know. that means we aren't randoms 😉

cringe aside, i can finally order parts for my DIY jank3000 NAS

[forest edge]

Stranger danger!

[molten apex]

which consists of a tripple output meanwell powersupply, various C13 and C14 connectors and fuses

[ocean oar]

I'm really glad I un-janked my NAS when prices were somewhat reasonable

[unborn merlin]

i still need to build my new system.. oops.. 😄

[forest edge]

A $65 2TB crap brand ssd I bought less than 3 years ago goes for $260 now

Warms the heart

[unborn merlin]

i bought all the hardware last year just

havent gotten around to finalizing my case setup because I elected to 3d print a bunch of stuff like an asshole. 🙃

[ocean oar]

About a year ago the 2x 24GB DIMMs that are in my NAS were $145 USD.
Exact same memory today is $415, just shy of 3× the price

[unborn merlin]

ahh the day that openai dies... fuck sam altman

put his head on a pike

fuck that guy. 😐

[molten apex]

I grabbed an optiplex off work, i9 and 64GB of ram. a old synology 1U NAS with dual nvme for cache and 4 16TB HDDs and dual 10Gbps PCIe nic

and then i'm pairing it with my old icybox 3.5" enclosure

the optiplex can't give out any power, so i'm solving that with a meanwell unit

so it's only halfway jank

[unborn merlin]

building mine off a weird chinese mainboard + DC-ATX power supply + 24VDC UPS/LiFePo4 battery setup

(by weird I mean its basically a mini atx with a laptop intel CPU on it.. so nice low power)

[molten apex]

nice

i love grabbing old free shit from work

[unborn merlin]

my current server is some behemoth of shit from ebay thats built off old dual-socket xeon

ironically.. the new build

has the same thread count

[molten apex]

lol

[unborn merlin]

and just takes like.. 1/4th the power

while being twice or more as fast..

and having a virtualizable-onboard-intel-GPU that I can drop the nvidia transcoding tesla out too..

[molten apex]

yeah, i need to try to do that

what i want more though is a HA proxmox setup

[unborn merlin]

proxmox will be whats on the new system yes..

with zfs pools and etc for storage instead of my current 'just add a new drive and point new torrent downloads there' strategy.

[molten apex]

i have an optiplex with an i7 here also. it was suppose to become a steamos box or simillar for my daughter

but she might be better off with a laptop

[ocean oar]

Same boat on the transcoding. Not sure if the Quadro (Turing generation) I had was just horribly inefficient at it, but used ~60W to do a single 1080p transcode. With Intel QSV it's maybe 4-5W, almost not enough to measure

[unborn merlin]

yeah that is the thing.. modern chipsets are so hilariously better on transcoding power its not even a comparison

[molten apex]

do you guy rip blurays?

i have a big-ish library that i want to start ripping

[unborn merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbEVJweKx8

its doable, just tedious

[molten apex]

ooo! good old akubukuku or whatever it was

This weekend i need to fix lets encrypt for my things

[unborn merlin]

... reminding me i really need to get off my ass and

setup some rolling backup for my databases/etc

[molten apex]

Let's not talk about backups...

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-saturday-night-live-season-44-1UYuJpTPXdP98Y8QPQ

[unborn merlin]

quoting my favorite ai-is-stupid article.

And then some absolute son of a bitch created ChatGPT, and now look at us. Look at us, resplendent in our pauper's robes, stitched from corpulent greed and breathless credulity, spending half of the planet's engineering efforts to add chatbot support to every application under the sun when half of the industry hasn't worked out how to test database backups regularly. This is why I have to visit untold violence upon the next moron to propose that AI is the future of the business - not because this is impossible in principle, but because they are now indistinguishable from a hundred million willful fucking idiots.

😛

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/ (amusing)

[warm helm]

Why backup when AI can rebuild?

[minor bobcat]

I just had an argument with my gf about an AI generated pic she wanted to hang on the wall

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

[warm helm]

Live Laugh, AI

[ocean oar]

"Live, Laugh, LLM"

[high remnant]

I use raid as backup btw

[minor bobcat]

It was somewhat abstract but she told me she made it with chat gpt and used an original piece for it's inspiration...

[warm helm]

What happened to the good old days of creating art with drugs and alcohol.

[high remnant]

drug fueled prompt generation

[minor bobcat]

She didn't want to buy the print for 45€ which is fair BUT THE FILE DOWNLOAD WAS ONLY 5€ I worked at a print shop for 7 years ffs and I still could go there and get it printed for free

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/trailer-boys-park-YrkD2MwU8J382Krrxt

[forest edge]

some of that stuff does not look bad at all

[static schooner]

I listened to a podcast recently where a musician spent some time (a week or a month or something) only listening to AI music that he curated (asked for the genre, tweaked the mood, etc.) and said he genuinely enjoyed it. Couldn't tell the difference from real music and what it produced was pretty good

I guess you can listen to and scrobble existing music, or just use it to tell a service what to build for you 🙂

[forest edge]

friend of mine linked me to one of those ai generated music things

if you didn't know prior to it being ai, you wouldn't be able to tell

[acoustic saffron]

There are telltale signs

It is painfully difficult though, and it fucking sucks

[static schooner]

Getting drunk on cooling fluid on a Saturday night...

[acoustic saffron]

"oh ai music is real music" pick up an instrument instead of gaslighting yourself into thinking a robot making music is real music that came from the heart 💢

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-dance-gif-5319769

[ocean oar]

The coolant for our liquid-cooled servers at work is Propylene glycol, but it's dyed the same lurid shade of green as Ethylene glycol car antifreeze.
When we went live with those machines I managed to find a bottle of banana liqueur that was just about the same colour, and invited our account team from the vendor the day after for shots of it 😄

[forest edge]

realistically is non voiced ai music really much diffrent than like some of the shit these DJ's spit out?

[acoustic saffron]

um..depends on who we're talking about???

[meager yoke]

'least the dj had fun making it

[acoustic saffron]

Charlie xcx is an incredibly good DJ

Like, impressively good

[forest edge]

it's all digital sounds created from thin air.. not like many of them use any actual instruments or anything

[acoustic saffron]

An AI can't learn music theory because it can't learn the concept of experimentation

[forest edge]

1 for 1 the sound creation is the same. only diffrence is choice of mixing etc

[acoustic saffron]

It can learn every concept of how to make music, but if it cannot actually understand, "This sounds good" then it'll never be able to create good and unique music

[forest edge]

right but that's what the prompt is for

not like there is some rouge ai out there churning out music

on a whim

several years ago I remember listening to some music history "expert" on johnny dare and murphy or something on the radio.. was talking about how most "popular" songs are just remixes or mismatch parts of older songs before it lol

[acoustic saffron]

oh boy... idk how to break it to you

[static schooner]

in that same podcast espisode they were talking about an AI song that charted

[forest edge]

fully automatic? from creation to radio?

[coral salmon]

I wonder when HA will get the opposite of "for:" in conditions without template Like only work if I was in home zone not longer than 5 minutes

[acoustic saffron]

there are dedicated ai slop churns that just spit out complete and total garbage onto as many platforms as possible (music streaming platforms, shorts platforms, on-demand video platforms) without any human intervention

[static schooner]

#1284980040940912641

[coral salmon]

Oh, I didn't mean it as "Support" theme tbh

[forest edge]

labeled as ai?

[static schooner]

meanwhile, back to AI music

[acoustic saffron]

He's directing you there because it's already probably possible and somebody can just help you figure out how to do it

[acoustic saffron]

of course not LOL

[forest edge]

if it's a catagory like on amazon music etc.. then that's not really the same thing

[coral salmon]

Oh smart

[acoustic saffron]

That was only 1% of my brain power, you don't want to see me at 100%

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-tail-suck-tail-gif-21243409

[coral salmon]

I would be scared to see your automation yaml's

They must be smart as hell

[acoustic saffron]

my answer to you is that I have none

Because I'm the smartest baby of 1987

[coral salmon]

[forest edge]

least they reduced the ai slop from the feed on youtube

[acoustic saffron]

no?

they literally just introduced a feature that lets creators make AI videos using their likeness

[forest edge]

it has to be labeled

and they have started removing some of it

[hollow glacier]

Lefty and Limpy 🪿 say hi

[unborn merlin]

no. it can't.. because learning implies it has some sort of cognition. it doesn't.

its an autocomplete on steroids.

[acoustic saffron]

i know

[forest edge]

can't help but auto think some kids are responsible for those geese injuries after having to deal with 3 kids here harrassing two geese last year in the school yard across the street from me

[warm helm]

It makes money

[hollow glacier]

i'm not sure what happened to his leg or why it's just... gone but i'm hopeful he just was born like this cuz he does walk on it sometimes. He's still fully mobile flying tho and even flys to me same with his friend limpy

[forest edge]

they lookin for that free bread

[unborn merlin]

not as a net it doesn't.. 🤣

[forest edge]

even in your video you can already see they were thinking, "stop holding out on us you jerk and shell out the good stuff"

[hollow glacier]

Tim, Tom, and Terry are a three man band and Tim and Tom have angel wing 🪽 from people feeding them bread

[acoustic saffron]

burn the world to make a few bucks, truly the hypercapitalist way

[warm helm]

Yes

[hollow glacier]

i feed them duck and goose pellets they love them lol

[acoustic saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-mei-mei-cat-vro-sister-mei-gif-4707933269230801990

[hollow glacier]

https://www.chewy.com/kalmbach-feeds-all-natural-duck-goose/dp/311718 i spend more each month on duck and goose food than dog food haha

[forest edge]

well now you done it. the one time you go without it they will attack your ass lol

https://media.tenor.com/XG_ZOTYukysAAAAM/goose.gif

[coral salmon]

We are at that point of fun

Started backup to previous version and my internet disconnected at the same time

Now prolly corrupted my HA because of that

[last cedar]

It could be worse, you could have to put up with living in a country with no raccoons and a corruped HA instance

But condolences, none the less

[forest edge]

oh you have racoons, you just can't find them

[coral salmon]

Unfortunate, I can't bring Raccoons back, but atleast I was "smart" enough to do daily backups, so we fixed my lovely HA instance

[iron granite]

Yeah. Always have a backup and the encryption key.

[coral salmon]

See, I don't really know my encryption key 😄

[iron granite]

You should change that.

[coral salmon]

Where do I find that at this point?

But I can actually as much google it, but if you have some time, would be nice if you could navigate me there

[nimble wing]

Shower thought: it should be called the Lovers Approval Factor for the laugh...

[iron granite]

You can find it in the backup settings. Save it somewhere safe (not on the same device).
https://my.home-assistant.io/redirect/backup_config/

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-love-boat-gif-11562762

LAF boat.

[long wave]

Besides lights and plugs. What else can HA manage?

I want to do more but I'm not sure what

[forest edge]

to much to list

limited only by your own creativity

[nimble wing]

I have it checking my emails for things I need to action on - car tax, insurance and so on, then showing me reminders to do so. And much more

[crisp oriole]

YES AFTER 2 days of LLM despiration i went back to basics and provided good working single issue debug scripting. my MCP mqtt websocket bridge now can controll all Lights with one command the LLM send to the MCP.

[young sigil]

Please use #1284960456880029707 for posts like this.

[crisp oriole]

OH crapp

i was on my local desktop. not this remote desktop sorry bout that.

[robust flicker]

My new proxmox server on top of my old proxmox server. 🤣

It arrived yesterday, and when I unpacked it I heard things rattling around inside, and was worried. Thankfully it was just the 4 vibration-resistant mounting screws for the 2.5" drive tray.. they came off the tray with no drive to hold them on...

[weak musk]

I suddenly have a good idea of what your living room looks like

[robust flicker]

Not sure how, since this is in the bedroom. 🤣

[robust flicker]

Excuse you, but my old proxmox server is still being used. It's just a NAS now. 🤣

If I decide to water cool my NAS, will that make it NAS Tea? 🤔

[iron granite]

NAS Tea stuff in the bedroom. Noted.

[robust flicker]

I told that joke to my wife and she just rolls her eyes and says "It's too early for that shit." then "AND THAT DOESNT MEAN TELL ME AGAIN LATER!" Ahh, she knows me so well. lmao

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-cats-angry-mad-ok-gif-21746836

[coral plank]

I'm getting extremely tilted at thread lol

[solar zealot]

what kinda angle are we talking about

[long wave]

I get it but my creativity is rolling a 1

[chrome pasture]

just for fun sakes , which zigbee dongle are yall using?

I am debating wether I should or shouldn't get one of those fancier sonoff ethernet/poe powered ones,
currenly using a sonoff 3.0 USB

[warm helm]

Smlight

Poe is life

[static schooner]

Good topic for #1284966617670881350

[chrome pasture]

yeah one of those

[minor bobcat]

I prefer fine thread

[stuck mortar]

Thin or thick ramen noodles?

[solar zealot]

the thick ones are udon no?

[minor bobcat]

Nah Udo is my neighbor

[fallow hemlock]

Man, I wanna do MoT but so many people with problems....

[stuck mortar]

Some places around me have thicker ramen noodle options, separate from udon

[last cedar]

100% obtuse

[alpine drum]

What presence detection setups are folks using?

I'm playing around with the ikea motion sensors to turn on lights, but I'm finding they aren't sensitive enough for long term occupation detection

Eg, turning on the lights in a sitting room, but not when folks have been sitting still when watching tv

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001 -> Recommendations

[alpine drum]

Ahh, ty

[zenith ginkgo]

Why does my wiring have to be so odd? Everything I do smart home-wise is a mess because of this house's layout and electrical

[weak musk]

Pro tip: If you burn the house down, you can correct the electrical and install a proper smart home.

[static schooner]

Bonus points if you use the existing smart home to do it

[weak musk]

That’s just efficient

[stuck mortar]

Instructions unclear, lit old hub on fire

[static schooner]

Plausible deniability

[stuck mortar]

Negative points if Tuya lights on fire. That’s just SOP

[forest edge]

wonder whats considered "odd" in home wiring

[stuck mortar]

Someone decided that tucking the neutral wire nut into the wall cavity was a good idea #the-workshop message

[forest edge]

that actually looks pretty typical. those pancake boxes weren't meant to hold the wiring, the fixture is. the ground wire looks like a homeowner installation

next you are going to say it was a cieling fan lol

[stuck mortar]

That one, no. I did have to replace a ceiling fan box that was held by drywall screws

[forest edge]

lol that is more common than many people think as well

[stuck mortar]

I have some vague recollection that it wasn’t the correct type of box either

[split grail]

Does HA support generators yet or does it still assume everything is the grid?

[static schooner]

#1284966203026182206

[split grail]

aw come on it's not even an energy question like that

[static schooner]

Yes it is

[warm helm]

The real protips are always in the comments

[last cedar]

omnipresent

Asking for a friend, if a raccoon wanted to travel to Utrecht for the meetup, who could they talk to about securing safe passage so that they didn't get exterminated on the way there?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-cat-super-cat-cat-fly-cat-flying-flying-cat-gif-17573917

low orbit drop maybe

[dusty mica]

Just have them wear a tiny orange jersey and carry a football. If anyone asks, they aren't a raccoon

[last cedar]

99% survival chance by the looks of it

much to your disappointment I guesss haha

[dusty mica]

for a map of all the dumpsters in utrecht use: https://www.mijnafvalwijzer.nl/

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/police-racoon-dust-bin-police-racoon-racoon-dustbin-dustbin-trash-racoon-gif-26093417

[steel pumice]

a wild raccoon has woken up

[scenic radish]

Um...you good dude?

[warm helm]

No. It's cold

[arctic quarry]

my cat has a preference for staring down my Focusrite soundcard. she'll occasionally swat at the mic level LED

I'm considering aiming the mic straight at her and observe if there's like a feedback loop

[arctic quarry]

@last cedar found one in the wild! (neighboring Discord server)

[fallow hemlock]

I used to feed raccoons when I lived in Louisiana

[vivid wraith]

oh nice I can just replace the ping device with one from the unifi network integration

I had to add a wake on LAN device to get it to show up though

[hallow fossil]

I'm trying to add some smart lighting to my house. My only existing smarthome products are all wifi-based, so I'll be buying hardware rather than trying to integrate with existing stuff. Do I want to be looking at Zigbee, Z-wave, or Matter Thread? I'm in the US, my home is single-story drywall-over-2x4s, and I'm a competent electrical DIYer so I prefer hardwired devices compared to stuff that sits over an existing switch.

My immediate use case is I want dimmable kitchen lighting with the ability to change color temperature. The existing setup is a 6-bulb fixture with an additional single-bulb pendant light over the sink

[ocean oar]

I'll let you decide if face up is better. This was what I got treated to when mine was snoozing next to me on the couch last night

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag might be able to help you.

[static schooner]

It's clear that that cat is resting after drinking your blood

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-dracula-hangover-leslie-nielsen-gif-14211396

[hallow fossil]

thanks

[last cedar]

You are a good person

[last cedar]

Utterly adorable omg

[errant ore]

hi guys

what’s crackalackin

[steel pumice]

nvm

uhh

nice now evolution of cat

I HATE GPS TAGS URGH

[round crystal]

I should reboot my mac every so often

Also the home assistant app on mac is nice

jesus my RWL022 are chewing through batteries

:v

Also I bought a bunch of Rodret remotes now that they're $4

and I'm gonna buy more zigbee shit from IKEA

Long live Zigbee

fuck Thread!

ok I'm dumb

I have no idea how button entities work

I guess I'll stick to device triggers for now

oh, TIL ZHA doesn't do that

Z2MQTT does

heh

[forest edge]

? i show them still at 10

[round crystal]

Canada here

[forest edge]

interesting. thats a huge price drop. they marked for clearance?

[round crystal]

last chance

You should check in person. They're being replaced with Thread based ones

Also I hate thread 🙂

[forest edge]

i been using a rodret for the past few years. it's pretty solid especially when you bind it

[round crystal]

Bind it?

[forest edge]

yea directly to another zigbee device

bypass the whole cordinator

[static schooner]

all this is for #1284966617670881350

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-already-way-too-late-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-it's-far-too-late-now-it's-already-far-too-late-gif-4943774439878014374

[vivid wraith]

I installed innovelli white switches and fan modules on all my room fans

Time to make ten thousand automations

[vivid wraith]

There was an extra unhooked up switch that used to control the fan so I put an on/off innovelli there

I could hook it up to control the fan again or I could make the other switch control brightness AND fan and just use this new switch for other nonsense

also I guess that means it’s thread for bulbs too whenever I get bulbs

[warm helm]

I'd use it for the fan and adaptive lighting for the lights temp and brightness

[vivid wraith]

No light temp adjustment. It’s one of those fans with LED modules so I can’t really (easily) swap it out

It does have brightness tho

[hot scarab]

Anyone elses nabu casa cloud down. (Remote Access to HA)

I have a vpn so i can connect regardless

[static schooner]

Please don't cross post. The place for this is #1284966439702499400

[steel pumice]

I bricked my nfc tag

[ocean oar]

HOW

[young sigil]

With a brick.

[hot scarab]

Is there no text channel for home assistant cloud?

[static schooner]

No. You can contribute to the existing post

[hot scarab]

My message was put in here before that post was put up

[static schooner]

ok

you first posted in #beta, which is why I mentioned crossposting

or here and then beta. Neither is the right place

[hot scarab]

All good, was kinda panicking a little bit at the time trying to figure out whether something broke on my end

[pseudo nexus]

Well... After failing to make a physical button turn on a smart bulb I am now starting to question my venture into smart home tecnology 😂

[dawn badge]

That is the kinda thing a bunch of people do, If you ask in the right place you can definitely get help with it. 🙂

[pseudo nexus]

Yeah I think I managed to get over a few of the hurdles but then I looked at the time and decided it was going to have to wait for another day 😛

Just have to get my head around the automation setup

Found some good guides but I guess the UI has changed quite a lot since then and I'm not helping myself using another language so will just swap to English

[dawn badge]

yeah, depending on what your doing guides can get out of date at different speeds.

[steel pumice]

I unbricked my bricked nfc tag

[minor bobcat]

Did you throw a brick on it?

[steel pumice]

no but no

[crisp oriole]

Humanity is saved. We build robotic bees

[forest edge]

do they collect oil?

[last cedar]

Don't tell the US

[crisp oriole]

Bees pollinate

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-bumblebee-dancing-dance-dance-moves-gif-16742564

[forest edge]

so they spread oil?

[crisp oriole]

I dont think its the combustion robot type

[iron granite]

Don't discriminate internal combustion bees.

[warm helm]

What about murder hornets?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bee-sting-bee-sting-fry-gif-27322155

[crisp oriole]

I think hornets have no problem using a combustion engine.

[solar zealot]

how would they do it, they have no thumbs

[warm helm]

You need a thumb for push to start?

[solar zealot]

Push to start? Don't we all use Beeless go?

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lostandfound-reaction-joke-q5uUoSfyb68AE

[vivid wraith]

Well now that I have my room fans and fan lights hooked up to home assistant I guess I should finally figure out voice control

New task acquired

Probably a weekend task

[summer depot]

Anyone have any insight on TrustTunnel? https://trusttunnel.org/
Is this something that is actually different? Is this something that would be worth running as an add on on HA server?

[solar zealot]

The real question should be "why?"

[summer depot]

That's good question too?

[mortal walrus]

Their animations don't really make sense given how TCP works…

i guess they're proxying tcp connections rather than passing tcp through as-is, which can potentially improve throughput in some circumstances?

[high remnant]

marketing!

[mortal walrus]

oddly enough, after reading the protocol document, their claims of being undetectable by DPI/TLS-interception don't even hold up since they're using the HTTP CONNECT request method which is only used by HTTP proxies, so is likely to be blocked by DPI firewalls that are set up to prevent people from using VPNs or external proxies. Also, the security of the protocol depends on the HTTPS connection not being intercepted… in which case there's no reason to actually do HTTP inside the TLS connection at all.

so yeah, I don't get it.

[high remnant]

I mean RFC1149 is also not something a normal DPI will detect

[glacial knot]

Which one is that?

[mortal walrus]

ip over avian carriers

[high remnant]

Sorry I am just being anoying

[glacial knot]

The animations are indeed weird
Not even about tcp in tcp
But about which node sends the tcp response
Which only really matters if the high latency link is between the VPN server and the destination

[mortal walrus]

(i suppose, to keep things on topic, RFC1149 could be adapted to nocturnal mammal carriers too)

[high remnant]

it feels a load of marketing blabla

and I also feel a little bit off offense taken by the name they have given us. Its almost like the trust meus bro meme

While I was being funny I burned my pizza

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-whyyy-sad-gif-18020592796715697137

[high remnant]

we have a saying; god punishes immediately

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-john-zoidberg-jesus-help-gif-21268866

[mortal walrus]

Thought about it a bit more, the only way this protocol makes sense is if the driving factor in its design is to make it possible to mask the server by having the server look like a normal http server.

[high remnant]

which is probably why they need 4 hops

[mortal walrus]

(basically, they're using the combination of the HTTP CONNECT verb with a basic auth header as a sort of "door knocker" thing to conceal the fact that the server is acting as a vpn/proxy, while allowing it to respond to other http requests like a normal server)

really should have use the UPGRADE method instead of connect tho; that's easier to handle with reverse-proxies.

[forest edge]

you know what ai is great for? summarizing billions of lines of logs

[solar zealot]

The joy of not producing billions of line of logs in the first place

[static schooner]

So the solution space for AI is solving problems that computers created 🙂

[forest edge]

need ai for the ai

[warm helm]

or AI created. You know the shit code and all

[mortal walrus]

ai isn't even good at summarizing logs tho (but it can be ok at writing tools to do deterministic analysis of logs)

[forest edge]

i disagree but then again, maybe some log structures work better than others

[mortal walrus]

I've seen some use cases for, given a reasonable sample size of a log, finding some particular log entries that might be interesting or indicate problems, and writing tools to analyze their occurrence in larger logs.

nobody wants the expense or time of actually sending large logs through an llm :)

[forest edge]

in my case most stuff allows me to download the logs as a txt or csv file and gemini allows you to just upload that file

then just instruct to pick apart the stuff you need

[mortal walrus]

i wouldn't be surprised if gemini is doing some sampling and tooling behind the scenes for you then, to reduce the amount of llm processing needed.

[stuck mortar]

“Gemini, what the hell did the customer do this time?”

[high remnant]

what the hell did i do this time

[stuck mortar]

Never blame yourself, only the customer. If nothing else, find a patsy

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-skinner-principal-experts-wrong-gif-15320454

[round crystal]

Daily

I hate thread

I hate matter

Zigbee >>>>

also motion sensors are the most annoying thing for automations

fight me

I need a mmwave sensor.

anyone got a spare one :p

[warm helm]

MMwave with pets is a no go

or fans

or a slight breeze

or the ac on

[stuck mortar]

Quick, someone sneak up on pugge! They don’t have motion sensors working

[peak slate]

Dang and here I thought my motion sensor stairwell lights were the best

Pir works every time for them, just have one bug where they turn off in a weird edge case that happens like once a month

[warm helm]

Well stop standing on the edge

[tidal bronze]

PIR only?

[peak slate]

Yeah, it's a stairwell, you go up and down

[warm helm]

or off the side

[forest edge]

what you got? Skynet?

[tidal bronze]

2 levels above skynet.

[tidal bronze]

I thought PIR became a secondary sensor few years ago

Anyone running a BT heart rate proxy?

[stuck mortar]

Sure, it’s built in to my watch 😉

[warm helm]

back to first for me over mmwave when I got the dust machine of a dog

[tidal bronze]

So your watch can send the HR to multiple devices simultaneously?

[stuck mortar]

If I turn on my old phone then probably
-# it’s just an Apple Watch

[tidal bronze]

Oh we are talking turnips and cilantro here

[stuck mortar]

I wonder if my old Polar HR sensor with the chest strap can send out BLE or only pair directly 🤔

[tidal bronze]

Now we are talking.

[stuck mortar]

Yes I was shit posting, but now you have me thinking for real ya jerk

[tidal bronze]

H10?

[stuck mortar]

I think so. It disappeared into the void of a move long ago and emerged recently

I know it can pair via… ANT? To the closest exercise machine at a gym

[tidal bronze]

Been working on a proxy to re-transmit BLE HR from strap to watch treadmill etc etc.

So one source of truth at all times.

[stuck mortar]

Hmm

[tidal bronze]

H10 uses ANT and BLE. I am working on BLE.

[tidal bronze]

That's sub second?

[stuck mortar]

Yeah I’ve got an H10. Haven’t used it since long before I got an Apple Watch. Maybe even before old Fitbit

[tidal bronze]

Oh and want to send mqtt as well for TFT display 😆

[static schooner]

you should have your outdoor lighting pulse in unison with your heart

[tidal bronze]

That's gonna be boring.

[stuck mortar]

“Awfully late to be working out…”

[tidal bronze]

Have an idea to get Gemini to coach in real-time. Laying out the ground work. 🤪

[stuck mortar]

No TTS for the late night coaching, please

[tidal bronze]

TTS hell no.

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TAywY9f1YFila

[ocean oar]

Or adjust the BPM of the music to match

[tidal bronze]

You playing with claw?

[warm helm]

not yet, likely a next week issue. I do have a bunch of n8n stuff running though

[stuck mortar]

Ravercise

[peak slate]

its still dirt cheap compared to MMWAVE

and if you don't need prescence, just motion, it works great

[warm helm]

if you need both esp32

and no one can give the "but you need a device" line. You have your phone

[tidal bronze]

Mmwave is cheap. Actually cheaper than a good reliable Panasonic PIR

[warm helm]

well no after you factor in the 3d printer to make it look nicer

[tidal bronze]

Why on would you 3D print? So many ABS enclosures to get it done.

https://www.hammfg.com/electronics/small-case/plastic/rl

[warm helm]

All my esp32s are in 3d prints, its smaller, more device specific and I have 3 3d printers now

[tidal bronze]

I used to long time ago. Waste of time for me now and can never get the matte textured finish.

[warm helm]

I don't know. It sure takes time though new ones are pretty quick. Its just a oh I need that thing. Now I have the file saved and never run into them discontinuing the item, if I need more, or break one

[tidal bronze]

Mine are in wall behind blank plates. Very few enclosures anymore.

[warm helm]

I don't have enough poe run for all that.

[peak slate]

huh, link?

[tidal bronze]

I am referring to DIY, sorry.

[peak slate]

lol, i diy too, though its nice having some of my stuff go over zwave/900mhz instead of yet another wifi device (i have 60 devices on my network, not against adding more, its just... more clutter at times)

[forest edge]

this for your automation to auto cancel your reoccurring order of cardboard bread upon heart stop?

[last cedar]

@clear ferry you never said you got pulled over by the police?!

[iron granite]

He got towed afterwards.

[forest edge]

not so sure he is still alive. all those estrogen pills he was taking may have taken it's toll

[arctic quarry]

so young, and already turned to a life of crime. we should ban GTA games now.

[iron granite]

He is still alive.

[forest edge]

@last cedarget out of my barn! that's for the stray cats that been coming around and not for you!

[solar zealot]

It could be a stray cat

A very well fed one

[forest edge]

is that what cats look like where you are from?

[high remnant]

I also identify as a stray cat

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-5704388171529337323

[solar zealot]

pointy ears, tail, four legs, full of crime

That's a cat

[arctic quarry]

(checks notes)

• ❌ Featherless bipedal (human)
• ❌ Passes Voight-Kampff test (cybernetic / android)
• ❌ Operates lawnmower (granpaw)
• ✅ Symbiotic / parasitic relationship (house pet)

yep, can only be a cat.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-no-swiping-dora-the-gif-20975611

[runic cape]

I think the advice to not avoid heating rooms you don't use, may be bad advice. The theory is that you will leak heat to the other rooms anyway, but your heater will run more efficiently if you use more radiators

I switched to this approach, but based on my real-world data I am skeptical that whatever gain in efficiency makes up for the increased losses from unused, unnecessarily warm rooms

of course my data is not perfect because the weather is not identical, but it's enough to make me skeptical

[solar zealot]

The advice never really is about not heating them but about heating them significantly less

There are many more factors involved, with well insulated homes and modern heaters I don't think this matters at all

[high remnant]

in my non-insulated apartment i will not be heating rooms i do not use

that’s just throwing away money

[runic cape]

It's almost impossible for it to not matter, the heat loss is directly proportional to the heat difference between outside and inside. the colder your room, the less heat you lose

Unless your house is so insulated you no longer need to run the heat at all, it will always matter

technically you also lose heat to some minimum amount of air exchange with the outside to not suffocate, I guess

[simple gazelle]

I should get a CO2 sensor

To Ali Express!

[runic cape]

But the idea was that having more radiator surface to work with allows the heater to run more efficiently, which makes up for the increased loss

I took their word for it but now I doubt

[solar zealot]

It heavily depends on room size and insulation compared to the remaining heated rooms

Even where this thing is in the building will make a difference

Meanwhile if you can simply supply exactly enough heat as is getting lost, it won't get better than this

[runic cape]

It will, when you are losing less heat, by having colder rooms

[solar zealot]

You are aren't really loosing less heat you just are shifting where you loose it with this being very localized

[runic cape]

If I lost as much heat to my neighbouring unheated rooms as my unheated rooms lose to the outside, surely the unheated rooms would be warm without even having the heat on?

I wrote that wrong

I can't be losing more heat to my other rooms than they are losing to the outside and they must be losing less to the outside when they are colder

[solar zealot]

The heat doesn't stay in your heated rooms. It graduates everywhere colder which is both the outside and the inside.

Wether or not you loose more depends on how large the surface area between both is

And as there is usually far less insulation between rooms than the outside..

There are proportions where it works and where it doesnt

[runic cape]

My cold rooms are a buffer between me and the outside, to heat the buffer itself up to stop losing heat to it makes no sense to me, I stop losing heat in the room I care about, only because I gave (wasted) my heat to it directly

[runic cape]

Yes, I am already assuming they are just thin concrete walls with no materials meant for insulation

but these rooms also will never be as cold as the actual outside

I don't think it is possible at all that you don't end up losing more heat, the only question is whether the loss of heat exceeds the loss of efficiency from not using more radiators

[high remnant]

🔥

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-4206910866563313498

[runic cape]

and personally I just would be shocked if the efficiency went that far down

[last cedar]

I wanted you to drive me around on the trailer, ffs

[forest edge]

run you over with the trailer you say?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/frogkook-falling-raccoon-bounce-truck-gif-18900170

[iron granite]

The cheese tax!

[minor bobcat]

Task failed successfully

[round crystal]

Daily I hate thread

Also I just learned battery powered mmWave sensors exist

Holy shit

That solves my biggest issue with them

[warm helm]

And gives you a new one. Batteries

[round crystal]

I’m ok with that

[warm helm]

Who voted no on this. GET THE BAN HAMMER

[round crystal]

Switchbot uses 2 AAAs apparently

Aw. Switchbot’s sensor is Bluetooth only

So close.

But it’s $35 🙃

Oh wow it’s matter support is really bad.

[tidal bronze]

So you thought he drives?

[round crystal]

I second this

Who would say no to giving a good boy cheese

I need more Zigbee sensors.

Also I need to setup Z2MQTT

And fix my thread setup.

[round crystal]

Who was it that kept telling me to install Proxmox on my N95

[peak slate]

Anyway you should install proxmox

[round crystal]

I'm just

ugh

ok

[forest edge]

sounds like overcomplicating things just for the sake to overcomplicate things

[round crystal]

Didn'y you tell me to install Proxmox?

[forest edge]

certianly not me

[round crystal]

The thing is I have HA in Docker

[forest edge]

VM's are for weirdos

[peak slate]

I run a bunch of vms and servers, so I'm certainly a bit outside the norm for users

[round crystal]

HA in Docker, but no matter server because that's only default in HAOS

[warm helm]

in this server? no

[forest edge]

? docker matter server

but ditch matter.. it's trash imo

[round crystal]

IKEA is matter now 😐

And I love IKEA crap

otherwise I'm Zigbee everything

[forest edge]

keyword "crap"

[round crystal]

fight me

[peak slate]

My proxmox runs on a Dell mini PC with haos, web server VM, Maria DB, and a few other vms

[round crystal]

their dimmer switches are nice

I wish HA ran on macOS (natively)

[warm helm]

HAOS is bare metal on a n100, Unraid NAS is running all the ARRs and plex, another n100 is running a backup up plex and a few other critical services in backup, AI server. Dell mini pc is running proxmox and a few more services. Then a full unifi stack

[forest edge]

n100 for haos alone is way over kill

[warm helm]

Thanks, Capt.

[round crystal]

N95 here :v)

[peak slate]

I've consolidated down to a mini PC for the NVR, a second for vms, and then the giant nas, saves on the power bill

[round crystal]

how expensive is power where you live?

[peak slate]

I have plenty of resources for ha to use on the VM, and plenty more available if it needed more

[round crystal]

I can run a full Xeon workstation 24/7 and not notice

[peak slate]

It gets up to 115f in the summers, so every PC watt used is actually a few watts to include cooling it with ac

It adds up fast

[round crystal]

46c. jesus fuck

[peak slate]

Also my state has the power grid of a piece of toast that's more fragile than tissue paper

[round crystal]

Texas?

[peak slate]

So I pay up the nose for sub par service too

[round crystal]

here in Ontario we have nuclear power

[forest edge]

just wrap copper pipe around it and circulate into a tub

[round crystal]

and we're working to expand it.

[peak slate]

How could you guess

[round crystal]

1cm of snow crashed your grid

[peak slate]

Hey don't blame the snow, the generators didn't want to winterize so they could save $20

[round crystal]

lol

[peak slate]

And then when the grid went down, they could charge whatever they wanted, so they made massive profits!

[round crystal]

over here, we're working to add more nuclear

Canada is full of Uranium anyways

[peak slate]

Good! Though I'm jealous af

[round crystal]

so why not harness the anger of pure matter

[forest edge]

the power price increases has gotten out of hand

like almost everywhere

[round crystal]

They've stayed the same here for a decade.

even with AI expanding in Canada and more datacenters going up, everywhere with nuclear has basically stayed the same.

we're actually going to be the first G7 at this rate to deploy SMRs

[forest edge]

canada not cutting those data centers cost breaks maybe

they certianly get deals here and the public picks up the slack

[round crystal]

we do, but power is just cheap when you have nuclear

Like, cheap

[high remnant]

yes but AI goes brrrr

[peak slate]

Think I can run an extension cable up there for some cheap power

I got like a 100ft cable, that oughta make it

[high remnant]

bypass the meter

[round crystal]

lol

[peak slate]

That's probably more common than you'd expect here

Lol

[high remnant]

lmao

a mate of mine wanted to buy an old grow house apartment which had some shenanigans going on

[round crystal]

lol

[high remnant]

hard pass

[scenic radish]

I still think about this on a weekly basis btw.

Also we left our granny cart at the top of the stairs last week so that the wheels could dry before we put it away, and I thought of a very Home Alone-esque scenario where I could launch the granny cart down the stairs at any marauders

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-land-tv-land-gifs-reba-lightsaber-protection-gif-13847212

[high remnant]

anywho someone came to pickup a free fridge and asked for money for fuel since the free fridge didn’t fit inside their car

now i am salty and still stuck with said fridge

[warm helm]

Well look at you, a giant bragger

[warm helm]

LOL, no

[round crystal]

we're full of uranium here in Canada

last time someone ran over a goose we had an explosion

probably ate too much uranium

also I'm convinced to use proxmox.

[dire cobalt]

Has new home assistant broken matter server connection? Anyone have issues? My devices all turned Unavailable, I deleted them m, reinstalled Matter Server and now I can’t add them back…

[round crystal]

How did you even get it to work lmfao

matter is such a clusterfuck

[forest edge]

isn't it the dutch way?

[high remnant]

no

its not

[forest edge]

to not give money for fuel or to not ask?

[round crystal]

I have a stupid question

https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/hr7s2zm/a/belkin-connect-thunderbolt-4-core-hub

Has anyone considered this to cluster more mac minis together?

Since this lets you turn 1 port into three at the cost of some latency

[dawn badge]

I am pretty sure they have to directly linked (not sure on the specifics_) which is what limits the amount you can cluster due to port count. If you could cluster more by using that or something like it then one of the usual suspects on YouTube would have done it.

[round crystal]

I'm not sure they considered it due to the insane cost

It adds on the cost of half a mac mini for every three mac minis you want, when a 10gbps switch is like, $50

[warm helm]

What is the goal of clustering it?

[round crystal]

AI inference

[dawn badge]

Apple have starting doing loaner systems for this type of thing for them so cost is not really a major factor.

[high remnant]

in this situation: neither lol

its not sane to do so

[round crystal]

Not everyone is doing a loaner setup. Most of them bought their own setup

the mac mini clusters are dirt cheap

$500/mac mini, a cluster of four is just $2k. For the people paying $200/m for Claude Code's highest tier it makes sense

Even if you account for electricity, you come out ahead

M4 mac minis are insane

[warm helm]

You can get a gmk tech AI ryzen with 128GB of ram for $2400

[round crystal]

still can't beat mac mini in energy efficiency. also M series chips are first class support with LLama.cpp

They just work

[warm helm]

1 pc vs 4 and cluster will kill that efficiency

[round crystal]

It doesn't.

A mac mini can peak to around 65w, the gmk tech is 120w. mac mini idles at 4w, the gmtek is 8 - 14w, even at it's lowest it's double mac mini

mac minis are insane value if you ignore macOS making a terrible server OS

Like atrociously bad.

[warm helm]

X4 your mac power draw

[round crystal]

Remember, you're not running full tilt 24/7

[warm helm]

You still are comparing 1 to 1 but you are clustering. You need to x4 your math plus the hub

[round crystal]

Still more power efficient with the macs.

A signle gmk can run LLama 3 8b Q4 at around 42 tokens per second. A signle mac mini does the same at 70.

at half the power draw.

There's a scaling wall you hit faster with mac minis, but then you can just jump to mac studios

You can hate apple but the M series is impressive.

[warm helm]

Dumb, I don't hate either. I am pointing out you can get the model sizes one 1 device vs the pain of trying to cluster them.

[dawn badge]

you start to get diminishing returns fairly quickly with clusters specially at a home setup scale. having a single powerful system tends to quickly overtake in tops/watt

[round crystal]

There's no pain in clustering thanks to exo

[round crystal]

I agree. But then you have to consider performance/watt

and perfromance/$

[warm helm]

No, I have solar

[round crystal]

you have solar, most of us don't.

I have nuclear.

For americans I think it's mostly gas turbines?

[warm helm]

My house is connected to grid solar and turbine.

[round crystal]

Why is america obsessed with gas? I don't understand

Like dryers run on gas.

that sounds like a recipe for disaster

[warm helm]

Solar didn't exist when most of the power plants were built.

[round crystal]

nuclear has existed for >50y

[forest edge]

its not really as dangerous as it sounds

[round crystal]

and hydro

I wonder how much of my power is nuclear and how much is hydro

[warm helm]

That's a different issue, americans are scared of nukes from 3 mile island, its dumb

[round crystal]

I forgot I'm close enough to Niagara falls to get hydro

[forest edge]

you have just as much chance of your house catching electrical fire than some kind of gas fire let alone explosion

[round crystal]

In a dryer tho

[brazen thunder]

isn't most of Niagara ca and not us?

[round crystal]

A box full of highly flamable materials

[round crystal]

Yes

[forest edge]

? they are vented

[warm helm]

And they rarely catch fire from the gas itself, the heat builds up in the lint trap usually.

[forest edge]

and gas trumps eletric in so many things.. like dryers

stoves, water heaters

[warm helm]

Electric isn't immune to that

[forest edge]

just soooooooo much better

[round crystal]

It just scares me. With electric if the dryer malfunctions and draws too much power the breaker protects me long before things go south

[round crystal]

disagree

[forest edge]

how would you know? it scares you...

[round crystal]

I have one vent from my dryer thanks to electric

heating wise we moved to electric and it's surprisingly good

before we were hydronic (condo)

[warm helm]

Gas is more efficient than electric when you're talking about heating. Does it really matter, no but electric does take a long time to heat compared

[round crystal]

I don't think that's true. Electric heating literally uses all the energy in the form of heat

you lose a lot of the potential energy in gas

[warm helm]

Go check your dry times

[round crystal]

gas is just cheap

[round crystal]

30m

our washer gets our clothes almost dry

you want your clothes in the dryer on the lowest temp possible for the shortest time of they wear out faster

[forest edge]

unless you actually used one for more than one cycle you won't really understand just how much better it is

[round crystal]

have you used electric?

also @warm helm if you're solar, doesn't it make sense to use more electric stuff?

Or is gas just that cheap where you live

[forest edge]

gas stoves I could see some arguments some have about temp consistency but many still prefer gas to eletric in that as well

[round crystal]

gas stoves I agree with, it's just the AQI issues they cause

They're supposed to be nicer. I haven't cooked much on them.

I'm a coil electric stove, and my partner wants to get a glass top one again

I might surprise him this valentines day and buy one

[warm helm]

House was built in 79, I didn't get a say. Yes, I am moving to electric where I can but I am not replacing a dryer or heater for it

[round crystal]

There's a LG one he really likes

[round crystal]

Do you live in a cold state?

Also dryer I would replace if it's cheaper than gas

I doubt it. For some reason gas is stupidly cheap

[forest edge]

normally I would talk shit about LG but these days, it seems every applicance compy sucks unless you actually shell out for the stupid expensive stuff

[round crystal]

I've never had a LG fail

[warm helm]

yes and I hate it

[warm helm]

its not

[round crystal]

It seems like appliances are more prone to failing in the USA

[warm helm]

I also WFH so laundry is only needed every few weeks, it would take years to offset the cost of a new dryer

[forest edge]

you know I looked that shit up.. it really isn't. it's the company not the country

[round crystal]

A lot of things in the USA are strangely different than they are here in Canada. Like lack of federally mandated immobilizers in cars.

That's one I can't understand. It adds like $100 to the car's price

[forest edge]

some countries will have a slighter tighter QC but even those get the same problems and some I haven't even heard of happening here

like euro vs usa

[round crystal]

I envy the EU

The consumer rights, the choice of appliances, vehicles, etc

[forest edge]

they get some weird faulty scenarios

[round crystal]

we may get BYD cars here in Canada now

[forest edge]

but it's the company

[round crystal]

Seriously? I've never had a single LG fail

they're also the most boring basic appliances though

[forest edge]

you are just lucky

well less bells and whistles helps a ton

[round crystal]

Like if I had to say one brand I aboslutely trust for quallity, it would have to be Dell

[forest edge]

wait till you get a smart fridge

[round crystal]

I've never had a Dell fail me.

[warm helm]

Was a terrible idea before they went private again

[round crystal]

I bought Dell monitors becuase I know they'll be just average, but reliable.

I like Dell stuff

[round crystal]

I was literally going to then samsung was like "HAHA you bought a $4000 fridge? HERE'S ADS!"

and now I refuse to buy Samsung appliances.

I only own a OLED TV from samsung.

[forest edge]

the ads are the least of the reasons to not buya samsung appliance

even thier tv's are gone down hill

[round crystal]

oh god. someone is using an electric snake in their toilet above us

I really hope they're gentle and don't break the pipes.

I don't want a flood 🙃

[forest edge]

i've always felt samsung kitchen stuff was crap though. sure they look fancy but that dosen't matter when your stuff stops working lol

[warm helm]

benefits of a house, It is breaks its me

[round crystal]

Our condo building has had an average of 6-8 floods per year thanks to home diyers

there's a unit down the hall that had extensive water damage

[forest edge]

interior pipes clay or something?

[round crystal]

we did a veiwing. They tried to cover it up and their shit DIY plumbing job

[round crystal]

No, idiots.

[forest edge]

cast dosen't break that eaily

[round crystal]

They tend to do things they shouldn't. Like installing their own shower and cutting corners on waterproofing

[forest edge]

and if it's pvc then it should be fine

[round crystal]

Don't challenge the idiots in our building that think they can cut corners DIYing plumbing

[round crystal]

This condo sold a few months ago after we bought ours down the hall

A week ago they had to rip the walls in the hall open.

[forest edge]

as long as the pipe doesn't spell out a word

[round crystal]

They flooded inside the walls facing the hall. $25k premium gone for our condo

Sellers long gone.

I hope we know where they moved so we can sue them.

Fuck them.

This fucks our condo fees because "hurrr why would I pay for proper materials when I can save $50!"

🙄

[warm helm]

Your building association should have their info

[round crystal]

I hope.

They glued a fake foam tile thing to the wall in their living room to make it look good in photos. Horrid in person

The bathroom vanity wasn't a wide one, so they glued a chunk of marble between it and the wall.

They redid their shower and it showed. There was extensive water damage everywhere

They had no idea how to do plumbing but insisted on doing it

Seriously, it was a full gut.

nothing was saveable