the-water-cooler

[stoic kindle]

But then I'd have to work out how to reset the counter should an incident occur.

[forest edge]

not really.. you'd be dead

[stoic kindle]

Or running.

[glacial knot]

🍴 towards them

[upper nymph]

It's a pretty small bathroom. Planning tk get rid of that brown Malm piece and put the vacuum dock over there.

[crisp oriole]

🧐noth korea now has atleast 2 home assistant installations.

I wonder how they get help.

[dusky plank]

North korea says they don‘t need help

[crisp oriole]

O yeah the perfect state. Forgot that. Not had some desent propaganda these days.

[young sigil]

Kim Jong Un invented Home Assistant. And home automation for that matter.

[crisp oriole]

Ben you can run faster

[crisp oriole]

Does he want to get rid of his servants?

[tidal bronze]

I would consider that as a not so friendly place

[upper nymph]

Into the kitchen it goes then

[eternal timber]

Hey guys, anyone who's specialized in installing network cables? I'm planning to have fiber optic internet (5 down 1 up) installed and I need to pull some CAT7 cable. I ordered following cable but I'm having trouble finding the correct RJ45 connectors for the wire length.
The cable itself is AWG26, can anyone point out to me the correct connectors e.g. on Aliexpress?

https://www.tme.eu/en/details/cpv0053/telecommunication-cables/logilink/

[glacial knot]

The connector is related to length..?

[eternal timber]

Thickness of the cable, apparently AWG is key from what I understood

The values need to match between the cable and the RJ45 connectors

[acoustic gulch]

Custom cables are boring to do and test. Plus U need special equipments . At the end, it's becoming quite expensive for a small installation.
For the same price u can find CAT-8 molded cables, even if u have to cut one side of the cable, half of the job is already done 😉 😆

[weak musk]

This is hilarious.

[forest edge]

is this why many premade cat7 cables have metal connectors?

cat7 is a pain to bend

cat6 was even a pain to bend but did manage to pull that off

[eternal timber]

Well it's all copper inside and it has to be POE compatible

[forest edge]

I think its all poe above cat5 as is

and that solid vs stranded shit is only in play when dealing with hundreds of feet from my understanding

[iron granite]

I tried to webscrape it, but it replaced the last 4 digits by zeros. Wasn't important enough to troubleshoot further

[weak musk]

This should be a core feature of HA

[forest edge]

picture entity card, custom button card along with card mod and a counter entity

seems simple to recreate in ha

[weak musk]

fair point, weekend plans are now set 😆

[iron granite]

No idea, why the last 4 digits are wrong

[weak musk]

what shoudl the actual number be?

[iron granite]

24103873558

A webscrape plugin in Chrome gets the correct value with the same CSS selector

[forest edge]

maybe they don't want you webscraping it

[iron granite]

Scraping with other tools works fine

[forest edge]

if that thing is javascript I have had some weird crap when it comes to date handling with other things. could be something like that

[weak musk]

I might do what Sonoma suggested, but drop the original intent, just make it a tracker for the last time my nieces/nephews visited-- who are all at the age of being velociraptors

[static schooner]

do kids grow out of being velociraptors?

like a butterfly?

[weak musk]

Not in my experience

although now I can only think about that scene in step brothers where the father is talking about how he wanted to be a trex when he grew up

and forgot how

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gY0IT0CuA

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze https://youtu.be/lffG-P1Nq_E?si=Tc1Qdz64wOeYz9Y0

[tidal bronze]

Good riddance

[static schooner]

Also X. I'm dying to see what happens to the employees

[forest edge]

mass exodus round 3 underway lol

[tidal bronze]

Hopefully won't come back crying last last time because there's no talent in TX. Mr. Michael Scott

[static schooner]

Musk Exodus

[tidal bronze]

This time he is going to take a hand bidet and not a sink 🤣

[forest edge]

the future belongs in Texas anyways

[tidal bronze]

Lmao.

[forest edge]

they moving to texas

||lul||

[azure rock]

Wow, some serious Musk haters here I can see.

[static schooner]

Musk's reasons for doing things are arbitrary, capricious, and often offensive, backward, and against his own interests. He's a dufus

he can do what he wants, and I'm perfectly happy having him direct his influence elsewhere

[tidal bronze]

Going to tank the stock once more. Lol. 70% of Tesla is from California. Dufus to say the least

[static schooner]

he's like pure id

[forest edge]

what if it goes up 300%?

[tidal bronze]

Check stock history when he did the TX dance last time.

[forest edge]

i'm not seeing anything diffrent than any other company over the same time period

cept maybe doordash spiking during that period lol

[tidal bronze]

You wouldn't know if it hit you sideways. 😆 So lets get to mmwave

[forest edge]

well I can only go off what marketwatch tells me lol

[tidal bronze]

Ok!

[azure rock]

I have no great love of Musk, I find him to be kind of an ass - but the reasons he gives for things aren't generally THE reasons. This latest move isn't about a new law, there's no way he wasn't already planning it long ago, but it's convenient to make a political statement. That being said, I don't think anyone should make those statements as a company that wants to appeal to more people, it's silly. But I'm not the businessman he is - love him or hate him, he's built some massive empires, he's not an idiot

[forest edge]

doordash really did spike during that period just fyi lol

[tidal bronze]

FED funded empire, well, yes.

Thirdreality water leak sensors. Oh boy.

[forest edge]

?

[tidal bronze]

Just nuts.

[forest edge]

i use a linkind one, it has actually been really good

[tidal bronze]

Why did I even bother.

Back to good old zw

[forest edge]

I like how it takes AAA batteries too

[static schooner]

My "dufus" comment is not really calling him an idiot, as you're right that he clearly has some vision and the abilty to execute on some big things. Just that his outward persona and many of his explicit actions and the reasons for them are assholic and don't generally support his goals

[forest edge]

I dunno, he has an opinion and dosen't hide it

dosen't make him anything other than honest

[tidal bronze]

Honest dufus

[azure rock]

He is who he is, not all of us are sunshine and unicorns

[tidal bronze]

Pandering to a base that's not his client base. Brilliant

[forest edge]

if i had a nickel for everytime i been refered to as "assholic"

[azure rock]

It's his 250bn to waste

[static schooner]

I got it from Frenck's profile and it's fantastic

[azure rock]

Mine work pretty well, I was skeptical at first but since putting in the first one I've now got a dozen.

[tidal bronze]

Have you tested them?

[azure rock]

Yes, frequently

[tidal bronze]

Total failure on my ones.

[static schooner]

I have too often found leak sensors floating in a puddle of water, dead

[tidal bronze]

Any zigbee leak sensors with movement sensor built-in?

[real frigate]

I actually just ordered a couple of those to test.

[forest edge]

not seen that

[real frigate]

What's the use case for something like that? Like a combo sensor?

[tidal bronze]

Most would leak through the spring loaded pins unless you go for external sensor.

[static schooner]

I also liked the Insteon ones that latch and force you to reset them manually

[tidal bronze]

All my zw leak sensors have that. I need that on some sensors. And it's critical

[forest edge]

what for

[azure rock]

I got them because I tried Third Reality switches and they were pretty fantastic, then their Temp/Humidity sensors and they are pretty damn good. The leak sensors were cheap so I gave it a shot and they have tripped a few times which fires automation to shut off my water, and every time it was good they did. That being said, I prefer my Fibaro, some with external sensors, because they have been VERY good to me, but at $50/pop it's pricey

[tidal bronze]

Fibaro FTW.

[tidal bronze]

Cleaners move them time to time. So reminder to put it back in place.

[azure rock]

LOL, I guess I just use devices that you disapprove of - but they work very well for me for a very long time

[forest edge]

why not switch to one of the ones with the external lead and mount it on the wall?

who cares if the lead gets pushed around from time to time

[tidal bronze]

Wires hanging? No chance

[forest edge]

?

why not lol

[tidal bronze]

Whats the update interval on those?

[azure rock]

I do that in environments unfriendly to lithium batteries, like my attic. The Fibaro and the Third Reality both support it, but the Fibaro also lets you run a 12V power supply to it.

[azure rock]

Fibaro has pretty extensive Z-Wave config options, including polling, you can set it to 1 second if you want your battery to last a day

[tidal bronze]

I am referring to 3R sensor

Fibaro I love them. Nothing to complain about.

[azure rock]

It's instant update on leak detection

[forest edge]

they make water leak lead cables.. you could use anything from an esp to shelly to whatever be the brains of it and just put the lead where you want. wouldn't even need to be battery powered

[tidal bronze]

Obviously, I am asking heartbeat time.

[azure rock]

That's what I meant, it's configurable, 1 second to whatever you want

[tidal bronze]

What's the default?

[azure rock]

For cables, you really don't need anything more than two wires with tinned ends, you don't need a sensor, as the "sensor" part is already in the device. The default hearbeat on the Fibaro leak sensor is 5 minutes/300 seconds

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy. We are not talking about Fibaro. 🤣

2 sandwiches short of a picnic I guess.

[forest edge]

considering you don't eat bread..

[azure rock]

I don't know what you mean or why a default that can be changed to whatever you want makes them 2 sammys short of a picnic lol

[tidal bronze]

I am referring to thirdreality water sensors. Nothing to do with fibaro

[tidal bronze]

I do. But you know zero stuff. So still a picnic

[forest edge]

cardboard aka "zero stuff" in the shape of bread.. is not bread

[azure rock]

Oooh, shit, so many back and forth. The heart beat on the TR sensors I don't know, they are Zigbee so not configurable, so the only heartbeat they have is battery and leak, and those update on change, so far every 1-2% on battery and instant on leak

[forest edge]

I would have more respect if you just said you slapped some meat between two pieces of rice cakes

[tidal bronze]

You mean between lutuce or fried onions?

[azure rock]

Enough though that firmware updates are a snap and generally only have to retry 1-2 times before thy wake up and accept the update

[tidal bronze]

Updates are around 30 minutes

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeyou still prime shopping? just now getting around to looking to see whats new

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[tidal bronze]

Google says these dropping off network is a normal thing. Well it was fun 2 days.

Thanks for the feedback. On to the next.

[azure rock]

I had one problem of the 12 that was doing that, it hasn't since the last FW update

Oops, 15 of them, I just counted :P. Every single place where water can leak I have them, so 2 in a given bathroom at least

[tidal bronze]

Not a risk I am willing to take.

[azure rock]

Not a single one is offline right now, all have phoned HA in the past 2 hours

But I get it it, my mission critical stuff is Fibaro, these are just my bathroom sensors just because I bought 5 Zooz Titans and wanted to smarten them up 😛

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzejust sit one of these on top of your leak sensor lol https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Vibration-Sensor-Automation-Compatible/dp/B07PJT939B

[azure rock]

The TR vibration sensors are what I use. LMFAO, they actually work quite well too, but eat batteries if you use them a LOT, like on a dryer - I replace those every 2-3 months

The ones on my windows have been good on their original set of batteries from 6-9 months ago

[forest edge]

i was just looking at those.. they don't mention tilt.. I assume they are vibration only?

[azure rock]

Yea, just vibration but the sensitivity and audible alarm can be set

They are SUPER sensitive. A mouse can fart near one and set it off at the highest sensitivity

[forest edge]

oh wait i see, they make a seperate tilt sensor

the aqara is both vibration and tilt

I need tilt

[azure rock]

I've had really bad experiences with Aqara, every one of them have sucked for me except their pet feeder. I do have two of their tiny temp/humidity sensors that work OK but eat batteries SUPER fast

[forest edge]

aside from the damn things only wanting to connect directly to the coordinator my motion and contact aqara do really well. only ever had to replace the battery in them once in like 2 years

scared the third reality non plug in sensors will be a battery destroyer

[azure rock]

Surprisingly not, they are some of the best battery users I have

I have a temp/humidity LCD in my attic, it should be eating the battery at 140 degrees, but that damn thing has run an LCD plus Zigbee sensors for over a year now on two or three AAA's

I just looked at my oldest TR leak sensor and it's been 9 months and at 95%. The only one that eats batteries is my vibration sensor on the dryer, but considering how often it's activated and reporting I'm neither surprised nor offended that it doesn't last as long

[forest edge]

was looking at these next. you talking about the thirdreality ones?

[tidal bronze]

You are way smarter than I thought

[forest edge]

i can't find the thirdreality lcd temp sensors on amazon

[azure rock]

Yes. I have their plugs (great, and very accurate power readings), their vibration sensors (quite good), their LCD temp/humidity (which are WAY better than I thought and have expanded to 5 of them), their leak sensors (we've talked this one to death now) and have worked directly with their developers when one FW update screwed up the plugs going offline, but they used me to fix them for everyone and I've become the unofficial (and unwanted) ambassador on the HA forums for TR 😛

[forest edge]

found it

[azure rock]

They are cheap and work. Their blinds suck really bad, I mean really bad, but otherwise I've been pleased with TR

[forest edge]

I will say I bought one of those innr zigbee bulbs.. that thing paired up and has been running strong in a spot where I thought I would have connection issues

no idea about the bulb aspect longevity yet, but the zigbee part seems good

ugh

woman is gonna kill me

I spent way more on prime than i should have

[azure rock]

My wife felt that way when I bought my Z-Wave blinds (which I love by the way), it was the fourth attempt to find something reliable and at $400+ a window she was wondering when the madness would end. She just doesn't understand that when you get into this lifestyle that you need 100+ Zigbee and 250+ Z-Wave devices, it's just how life goes 😛

[real frigate]

Damn... really?! I wanted to try them... what's wrong with them?

[azure rock]

Very bad implementation, the stop device is flakey, they often will close 3-4" from the bottom and then have to be recalibrated. Total shit. Go with SmartWings, they are awesome and what I landed on for every window

[real frigate]

Will do. I wanted to use them outside in my carport, but if they're that flaky, it'll drive me [more] insane.

[azure rock]

I bought 5 of them and fought all but one that lucked into being livable. In the end, livable wasn't good enough for $400+ a window

SmartWings has been very solid, only a few disconnects here and there but it's tolerable

[real frigate]

Yeah, that would annoy me to no end. But they are for outside, so maybe they'll be fine? I dunno. They are only for summer and fall when the sun shines directly on my car.

[azure rock]

If it's me, for that, I would put on an Add-A-Motor connected to a smart switch and use bamboo blinds that can survive outdoors, not paper blinds

I use AAM for three string drawn curtains, they have worked great for 20+ years, every single internal part can be purchased still and the company stands behind them - and they aren't very expensive

[tidal bronze]

You should be have a BAC of 2.0 time passes quickly on Amazon

[forest edge]

this is cool. shelly is baking the "addon" into the device. instead of needing the snap on thing

https://www.amazon.com/Shelly-Plus-Bluetooth-Temperature-Automation/dp/B0BRBMKB53

[azure rock]

I love Shelly, I use a TON of them

[forest edge]

I want to get on amazons free thing.. cannot remember the name for it now but i have a friend on it

[real frigate]

Vine

[forest edge]

it has it's own site where the people invited to it can request up to like $600 worth of free shit a day

yea vine, thats it

[real frigate]

🙂

[azure rock]

I've been invited to Vine several times, never took them up on it

[forest edge]

why not?

I would

[azure rock]

Because I can buy something, review it and send it back if I don't want it

[forest edge]

friend uses chatgpt to write the reviews rotf

[azure rock]

I review everything I buy for the most part, that's why I keep getting invited

[tidal bronze]

I was waiting for car wash items, the brands I want not going to go on prime day 😦

[azure rock]

Ever tried Amazon Warehouse? I buy tons off that.

[tidal bronze]

Not yet.

[azure rock]

I picked up 5 Fibaro window sensors for $13 each, open box, never used, not a single issue

Tons of Z-Wave and Zigbee stuff (and home automation stuff in general) on Warehouse

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-champese-animal-car-washing-gif-23473490

[azure rock]

If that goes on warehouse, I'm so buying me some car wash monkeys!

I will also entertain a slightly used dragon, just saying....

That one is really doing a great job on the hubs!

[forest edge]

wow the shelly gen 3 mini's are small! https://smarthomescene.com/reviews/shelly-plus-1pm-mini-review-size-does-matter/

[azure rock]

The mini isn't UL certified yet is it?

[forest edge]

no i don't think they are

the company had touched on that back when people requested it

dude flat out said there was like almost no diffrence between the two variations

[azure rock]

The 1PM and 2PM aren't that much bigger and are, that makes it worth it to me, that UL certification means a lot because I shove these in my walls, every outlet I have has a Shelly behind it for the most part

[forest edge]

but the ul had to sold for a little more cause of the listing

all of my current 1pm's are ul but m,y shelly 1's are not

not had any issue with any of them

of all of my smart home stuff, the shellies have been the most realiable and the oldest stuff i have

[azure rock]

And you likely won't, but if you do.... That's where UL helps, it doesn't make them better but ensures they are safer if the shit hits the fan

[forest edge]

both have the same power saftey

[azure rock]

Theoretically, yes, but UL confirms it. That third party is worth it when it's 110V

[forest edge]

I don't think i'm going to sweat the lack of ul on the mini's.. they look so small

[azure rock]

The only reason it's important to me is in-wall and who knows what goes into that outlet. I have them running some large amperage fans, those have to be UL for me, a fan can really cause problems if it goes south

[forest edge]

they max out at 16amps

max

the mini's are only 8amps

so I don't see why you would use one of them for something other than lights

the one shelly pm is 16amp rated

[azure rock]

Exactly, 16A is a nice safety net

[forest edge]

i was concerned like that at first

[azure rock]

Don't get me wrong, the mini's have worth in SO many things, just not my use case

[forest edge]

but since I have shellies in my barn.. not as concerned as i use to be lol

if the 1pm behind my metal light switch that also uses the temp addon hasn't burned up yet in 107F+ to -15F then I say they are stout little devices lol

[azure rock]

They are. Sometimes stuff made in the UK is actually really good (this is a slight dig based on "The IT Crowd" and their feelings on the matter...)

[forest edge]

one thing I don't get is. the shelley 1pm mini is 8amp and the shelly pm mini is 16 amp but both are about the same price. like a dollar diffrence even when not on sale

[azure rock]

When you consider the components inside, forgetting the design and features of the OS, the components inside are pretty cheap stuff. You could build a Shelly, for all intents and purposes, for a third what they sell for

[forest edge]

the gen 3's use thier own custom chip now

so no

you couldn't exactly

[azure rock]

Well, maybe not now, but aside from that and speaking historically

[forest edge]

plus insurance won't cover your house on homemade shit starting fires

which is why @tidal bronze is fucked

[azure rock]

Insurance will cover you if your homemade shit caused a fire, at least mine would - unless it was intentional

[forest edge]

you should double check that

[azure rock]

Perhaps, but I don't remember reading that in there anywhere and I'm that one guy that reads it twice after my lawyer does 🙂

[tidal bronze]

It's all for love.

[forest edge]

you do a lot of weird shit "for love"

[tidal bronze]

Always.

[static schooner]

Like a hippie who has made it

[forest edge]

probably gonna find out in the end that quad was never really real

[tidal bronze]

I always pinch myself to make sure.

[forest edge]

just an unannounced test version of chatgpt or whatever

that someone hooked up to discord and then died not telling anyone else the shit was still running

[tidal bronze]

So excited about this weekend. Best part about life is working at the animal shelter.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-humping-dog-humping-dog-humping-leg-dog-on-leg-gif-22252589

now that I can go outside without feeling i'm about to burst into flame i gotta get my yard mowed

[tidal bronze]

Why on earth would "you" mow ?

[forest edge]

because some of us don't have servants with a home not planted in a sand?

you should give it a try. you might enjoy pushing a kids toy lawnmower over astroturf

https://tenor.com/view/insomnia-bored-tired-sleepy-sleep-gif-17835186

[tidal bronze]

Yesterday I found The Sensor. Did you search for The Mower?

Still cracks me up.

[forest edge]

link?

[tidal bronze]

Didn't bookmark. I don't think I can ever find it again.

@forest edge you ever tried sand apples?

[forest edge]

I really only like granny smith apples

I can eat red apples in like pie etc but I prefer granny smith above all others

[tidal bronze]

Wish you could taste these. Musk free apples

[forest edge]

well then you know it isn't the future

[tidal bronze]

Apple thieves 🤣

[forest edge]

we have had an unusual high amount of rabbits around here the last two years

[tidal bronze]

I never get to eat and strawberries or guava. It's a challenge

[swift dirge]

https://www.amazon.com/OUVOPO-zigbee-door-sensor-Sensor/dp/B0CX1F73FH/

[tidal bronze]

There you go.

[winged obsidian]

U sure that's what it is? The picture looks exactly like one of the snap-on things I already have, right down to the tabs on top that are needed for the snap. I've got one of those, a 1PM and a temp probe sitting in my "projects to do" pile to control my attic fan. The problem is I'm going to have to fish some wire and extend the temp probe to get the control into the main part of my house instead of the attic. Temperature up there gets worse than your barn, and it's only rated to 40C.

[forest edge]

oh you might be right. the addon i have is for the half circle shellies so I didn't think about that being just a picture of the addon already snapped onto a newer one

crazy they charge the same price for the addon as they do the whole shelly

https://youtu.be/Qx4mpFFJnng?si=NJcAoPvuY8vNnSno

original was better.. thinner

this thing is bulky as hell

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzetime is running out on prime day! better hurry up and add 1 of every item to your cart and check out!

[winged obsidian]

It's a little more obvious when it's snapped onto a bright red unit

Together is bulky. Fortunately the location I'm aiming for is a 4-gang box with no other smart or other bulky devices.

[forest edge]

says it can snap onto a 2pm as well so thats neat

although not sure what you would use the addon for behind a wall plate aside from maybe fishing an external temp sensor out

[winged obsidian]

That’s exactly what I want to do. Box in a wall in the bedroom, where the device will be in a reasonable temperature. Probe extended into the attic and turning on the fan as needed.

The extension will add about 4’ to the existing lead. I don’t need high accuracy, just good enough to turn the fan on and off.

[forest edge]

attic vent fan? thought those already had built in temprature sensors for auto turning on and off

[winged obsidian]

Mine’s a separate control rather than built in to the fan, but it’s part of the standard installation. I want to be able to control it independently too. Shut it off if there’s nobody home, or run it at lower temp if I’m working up there. Also to be able to tell when it's running, otherwise it's quiet enough I have to move to that part of my house or outside to hear it.

[winged obsidian]

Is the glass half full or half raccoon?

[forest edge]

no

no racoons allowed

[last cedar]

You get all sweaty and out of breath when running though

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-sad-mapache-tristeza-animals-gif-24316793

That is a sweet tattoo 🦝

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wood-chipper-problem-solved-solution-modern-gif-13731233

anyone running the 0.14 frigate beta with the new ui?

just watched the demo videos

looks neat but I think the new ui is going to be something my mom will never figure out lol

[dusky plank]

I believe i will be stuck with 0.13 for a while because I can‘t deal with that UI either

[forest edge]

it looks like it will be more resource intesive as well.. not sure how mobile connection is going to handle scrubbing all cameras in a group at the same time

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/firephone-phone-typing-angry-gif-16638294950219488744

[forest edge]

more like

https://tenor.com/view/loading-slow-internet-waiting-gif-8696160

[umbral cliff]

Got a link to the demo videos?

[young sigil]

Hasn't Google killed off the Coral TPU?

[iron granite]

You can still buy them (if in stock).

[young sigil]

Yeah but are they still supporting them. I see a lot of complaints about out of date libs.

I actually found the M2 variant in stock at RS components last week when considering Frigate. I ended up going with Scrypted instead though. An N100 PC is all you need. Oh and money. The NVR function is not free.

[real frigate]

I've been hearing a lot of cool things about Scrypted. How are you liking it?

[young sigil]

It does everything I need. Reliably captures people, vehicle and animal events. Interface is very intuitive. Scrubbing through the recordings is great. Pre-buffering has improved my stream loading times in HA. Easy to set up. Dev and community are very responsive on discord. Development is progressing rapidly without breaking changes, which is nice.

The subscription fee for the NVR is not especially cheap but the dev makes enough money to keep him interested (if not fully employed?) in supporting it.

[real frigate]

Huh... ok thanks. I might give it a spin if only for the homekit secure video feature. I've never been able to get that working as well as I want to, even with webrtc/go2rtc.

[dusky plank]

I use it exlusively for hksv

Which is nice because it not only can tell that there‘s a postman but also a package

Why tf did they stop making corals?

Oh i see thats debatable

[rocky sonnet]

ignore

[real frigate]

You need to ask in #zwave-archived

[rocky sonnet]

oh my bad, sorry

[real frigate]

No worries 🙂

[forest edge]

https://app.supademo.com/showcase/clvi4jyof0kpfh7gr9921vsb7

[static schooner]

For some inscrutable reason, my cat has decided to crawl into an upside down bag in an Amazon box. And it's amplifying her purring because apparently that's her happy place.

[last cedar]

Cats are just built different

[forest edge]

ready to be shipped

[static schooner]

Kitty is going on an adventure!

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeget any of your prime packages of missouri merch yet?

[tidal bronze]

Got some of it last night the rest today and tomorrow

[forest edge]

suppose to get those tuya presence sensors today. guess we'll see how crappy they are

I see those things with and without the pir. confused what that is all about

[real frigate]

SUPER crappy.

[forest edge]

oh?

[real frigate]

Yup

I've tried a few of them and they just SUCKED. Hard.

[forest edge]

this design is used by a few diffrent companies including govee. what version did you try?

[real frigate]

Couldn't really tune them, would often get stuck in a state or would just drop off the mesh for no reason. 30s-2m hold times. Meh.

This is the last one I used: https://a.co/d/iOjnnh3

[forest edge]

oh yea what i ordered is diffrent

[real frigate]

Well, hopefully you have better luck. I stopped recommending them at all in #zigbee-archived

[forest edge]

looks exactly like this one https://youtu.be/Kt1FpRM8R18?si=cifoaD8227zVFsRY&t=811

[real frigate]

Yeah, I saw that vid.

TBH, I wouldn't use ANY Zigbee presence sensor. They can spam the mesh and cause issues OR they can't be tuned properly. The ONLY one I found that was halfway decent was the limptech ones.

[forest edge]

well they act as repeaters

so that was a plus

these are going into rooms that do not get very much foot traffic and something I want to be notifed after a certian time if anyone is in them

[tidal bronze]

I'm excited about my cherry pit remover

[real frigate]

You bought a cherry pit remover??? But why???

[iron granite]

To remove cherry pits

[static schooner]

Nobody wants a cherry tree growing in their stomach

[static schooner]

I kinda feel bad that my reaction to the news about Bob Newhart dying was 'Bob Newhart was still alive?'

[forest edge]

a century is a long time

[static schooner]

I couldn't really say what he's been up to over the past 30 years

[forest edge]

tv shows

he's been in a shit ton of tv shows lol

[static schooner]

My memory of him ends at Larry, Daryl, and Daryl

(The other brother)

[tidal bronze]

I should place Amazon orders before 10AM

[forest edge]

the days when usb charging bricks came with products you bought

[tidal bronze]

Half the shit that showed up today is not what I had in mind LMAO

[static schooner]

When you order stuff one day, it's delivered the next, and you're still disappointed 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Oh no, delivery was fine I got some stuff same day. This is operator error

[forest edge]

what happens when your hand spasms on the mouse while surfing amazon

[static schooner]

they should just preschedule a pickup the next day when they dump all the prime day stuff at your house

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/amazon-delivery-packages-michael-reeves-gif-23924496

[tidal bronze]

Wifi and Zigbee mixed up, battery sizes mixed up, some yard tool that I was just thinking about.... Oh man this is mess

I was dumb enough to be sober when opening up the boxes.

[static schooner]

The batteries in my WeatherFlow/Tempest "Sky" module finally died (again), so I ordered one of the current models from AliExpress a few days ago. I saw that Amazon had discounted it during Prime Day(s), but it was still more expensive than what I paid for Ali

[forest edge]

what happened to "all for love"?

[static schooner]

Funny story - I ordered it from AliExpress and it showed up the next day in an Amazon box delivered by an Amazon driver. Apparently some sellers on AliExpress use Amazon for package fulfillment

[tidal bronze]

lol.

[static schooner]

it freaked me out until I Googled and saw that it's common

[tidal bronze]

I was planning to skip wine today. But now only wine can help 🙂

Half of the boxes that came today no Amazon branding. That's a 1st.

[forest edge]

drink grape juice instead

[static schooner]

there's a lot of drop shipping going on at Amazon these days

[forest edge]

I like how amazon will send the smallest battery package in a box 5x it's size just to accommodate the battery inside warning label

[tidal bronze]

lol

47 orders. Prime day was not bad if I ordered the right stuff LMAO

[forest edge]

lol 47

I spent about $200

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea what wife ordered or the total of our orders. Let her worry about that 🙂

[forest edge]

lol imagine the drone swarm for that many package

[tidal bronze]

It was eventful today. Amazon, Fedex UPS USPS all around the same time.

I was cracking up

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mrburnssu-mrburnssun-gif-22510204

feels like a failure of logistics when carriers show up to you house more than once in a day

[forest edge]

this blows.. damn presence sensor showed up but I don't have a brick to power it lol

[tidal bronze]

That's normal right. I get before 5AM and afternoon. So twice anyway

[static schooner]

you don't have a giant container full of old power supplies?

[forest edge]

no and most of the older stuff i do have is less than 1 amp

[static schooner]

I actually try to avoid the 4am-8am slot because it causes my cameras to tell me somebody is at the front door when I'd prefer to be asleep

[tidal bronze]

Oh I have DND on

[static schooner]

so I choose the 8-11 slot on purpose when given a choice. And then they show up at like 4am anyway

it's a difficult decision for me because I would like to know if somebody else is at the front door at that hour, but the cameras can't always tell if it's a package delivery person

[tidal bronze]

It's funny some dumb stuff get's delivered before 5AM and what you really want at 9PM

[static schooner]

Delivered by 10pm, and they use every last second sometimes

[tidal bronze]

I am still trying to decode the $25 overnight goodies

[winged obsidian]

Amazon at least 4 on Tuesday, plus UPS and USPS. I think they were expediting the backlog to one of my kids before prime day.

[winged obsidian]

In my area if a 10:00pm isn’t “out for delivery” by 8-8:30, it’s tomorrow at best.

[tidal bronze]

Best prime day purchse so far Mckillans 40 deg nozzle 😀

[forest edge]

is that an audi?

[weak musk]

Not sure if joking, but it’s a Mercedes

[forest edge]

so an audi

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180

[tidal bronze]

It's gone. Been 2 years I think. Anything with air/magnetic suspension 😆

[forest edge]

@real frigatethis works good. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7C6L66J

the detection part works great

it's suppose to have a light sensor and i see it in Z2M but that part dosen't show a value. not sure what that is about

also not crazy about Z2M not showing the default values of these settings in expose. I accidently adjusted the fading time and now have no idea wtf the default was lol

[last cedar]

Maybe they called the protocol "mosquitto" because it was annoying

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[lucid atlas]

Who let the intern at Crowdstrike push code in the middle of summer? He made me have to cancel my vacation...

[ocean oar]

Because you had to fix things? Or because the airlines are all fubared?

[lucid atlas]

Had to go to the office

All our machines are using bitlocker so can't access anything remotely because the servers are down

[ocean oar]

Enough of our machines hadn't downloaded the bad update before they nuked it that we could recover pretty easily

Still took goddamn ages, but we had enough working infrastructure to get LAPS passwords and bitlocker keys for the things that needed them

So it's just workstations and laptops out in the field now, which will be... fun

[lucid atlas]

Yeah but still, good on you

I don't love the guy who's turned on auto updates on the mf servers, who even does that

[real frigate]

Newbs... I got a couple of pings from old coworkers about that very thing that their "senior" turned on.

[lucid atlas]

Yeah

I don't have access to my own drivers folder because "it isn't safe"

And I guess my admin login can't be verified because of problems with the AD

So can't even boot my own computer

[prisma briar]

legit though, I'm at an all Linux place and nothing was affected.

When KernelCare pushes a bad update though...

[real frigate]

YUP. We had that issue with AWS MSAD when us-east-1 went down last year(?) and we hadn't yet implemented multi-regions yet.

[prisma briar]

I was offered a ring doorbell for free but have zero interest in their ecosystem, anyone know if the firmware on those is replaceable?

I assume not

[real frigate]

It's not

Give it to someone who doesn't care about security. lol

[prisma briar]

It's a tenure gift from work, I can select from a few things but most of it is crap.

fake jewelry and "gaming" keyboards

[real frigate]

I have 2 of those (not in use anymore though) and they were "alright". They would get stuck from time to time and wouldn't report presence until I restarted them. I hope you have better luck with them.

[real frigate]

I mean, it's the thought that counts, right? 🤣

[prisma briar]

There were a couple things on there I was interested in like a dremel but when I looked up the model it was a really weak single-speed unit

And I already have a nice multi-speed one with an extension

lol, 'rechargeable wine bottle opener'

[lucid atlas]

🫡🫡🫡

None of our stores can accept payments

Losing five figure sums in euros per hour 🙂

[prisma briar]

wow, there's adult toys on here.

[real frigate]

Oh man... that sucks. I'm guessing you're in for a fun day/night?

[lucid atlas]

So... smart home stuff?

[real frigate]

Of course there is... lol

[ocean oar]

Work is telling you to go fuck yourself?

[prisma briar]

lol

[lucid atlas]

Yeah, not sure I can do very much though. Order pizza for the it guys that are sweating maybe

[prisma briar]

Just surprised because this seems to be a curated 'corporate gifts' site for businesses to give gift cards to employees on

The earbuds I was going to get have great reviews.

"just light $80 on fire for warmth it's way more useful than these."

[real frigate]

As a former IT guy, you have NO idea how much that's appreciated.

[prisma briar]

I bet they'd appreciate a starbucks run too

[real frigate]

Back when I did IT (way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth), we had a group of users that would give us $10 giift cards to Starbucks anytime we had to spend 8 or more hours on their issues. Needless to say, anytime there were issues, they were the FIRST ones to get support. lol

[prisma briar]

My place used to give out spot bonuses of like $100-200 for things like that but they haven't done that in a while

[real frigate]

Yeah, that rarely happens anymore. My company used to give us a flex schedule so that if we had to work overtime or whatever, we could take extra time off during the week. They stopped doing that as well.

[prisma briar]

My place gives us time off the next day if we get an on-call call or if we have to do overnight maintenance

I don't really ever work overtime though

I'm on call one week every 9 weeks

[rugged karma]

I know this is silly place to ask, but tomorrow voting ends and I could win 3d printer, anyone could give me some votes? It's just a few clicks on other discord channel

[real frigate]

Yeah... don't do what you're about to do. Please.

[rugged karma]

Well, I'm just asking 🙂 I'm not gonna spam here

[real frigate]

Appreciate it.

[prisma briar]

I can't imagine posting in a discord for the first time in almost two years and all it is is begging people to rig a contest

[rugged karma]

Well I'm a bit desperate haha

Sorry if it doesn't look reasonable

[real frigate]

Yeah, we have a pretty strict spam policy here. So, I wouldn't recommend posting a link. Just for future reference.

[rugged karma]

I was never going to, if someone wishes to help me, maybe they will just say, appreciate it either way

[prisma briar]

Trying to get people who otherwise have no interest in a contest to vote for you because you want to win is pretty crappy to the spirit of a contest, too.

I assume this is something like a model design contest where people are actually trying and expecting to be judged on what they produce, not for scoring to be determined by random acts of nepotism.

[rugged karma]

Actually, looking at other projects there, it looks like that's what rules that contest unfortunately

As ugly stuff got more votes than nicer stuff, so it is what it is

[prisma briar]

Two wrongs don't make a right, I don't see how that makes you trying to cheat it any better.

[rugged karma]

Oh well, I'm not gonna argue either try to convince you, it's your opinion and I appreciate it. I just asked because I thought someone might have a free minute to help, I still believe in random acts of kindness 🙂

[prisma briar]

Trying to rig a skill-based competition is the exact opposite of kindness

guess I'm getting a fancy 4 slot toaster from work

fancy being relative to my current 2 slot toaster

[real frigate]

4 slices of raw toast being cooked at the same time is obviously better than 2 slices of raw toast. lol

Although, I recently saw a "smart" toaster and I had to sit there and be like "BUT WHY?!"

[prisma briar]

It's even got a bagel mode. I don't think I've ever had a bagel mode before.

[prisma briar]

seriously, the mechanism for a toaster is basically perfected

of all the random crap I've automated I've never considered automating my toaster

[clever mortar]

Toasters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLk1cjZ4ll0

(and I don't mean )

[prisma briar]

I'd probably take one of those toasters over what I got

The way the toast pops out slowly

https://tenor.com/WQA4.gif

hrm that cut off early

w/e

[prisma briar]

https://x.com/LetheForgot/status/1814203140842868797?t=PSSI5hsIZuxemxyIPCyILg

LetheTheForgotten (@LetheForgot) on X

@SwiftOnSecurity What we did was use the advanced restart options to launch the command prompt, skip the bitlocker key ask which then brought us to drive X and ran "bcdedit /set {default} safeboot minimal"which let us boot into safemode and delete the sys file causing the bsod.

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 7:38 AM

[smoky birch]

😎 Stay smug friends

[umbral cliff]

Easy to survive a Microsoft outage when it’s not caused by Microsoft
Just avoid crowdstrike instead

[smoky birch]

Agreed

[lucid atlas]

20 servers and 100 clients done 👨‍🔧 Just a couple hundreds to go lol

I treated myself to a Google Coral for having to work on vacation lol

[winged obsidian]

I was griping earlier this week about how CrowdStrike kills performance on my corporate mac. Unrelated to the outage, it manages to use more CPU in the background than a Teams meeting with 10+ people on video. Personal laptop does not run that 💩, obviously.

[real frigate]

It kills AWS EC2s as well. We had Falcon installed on all of our Ubuntu/AL EC2s and they ALWAYS ran at the higher end CPU-wise.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge how's tech from TX working out for ya? 🤣

[languid portal]

Welp I survived a "Microsoft" outage by

• Safe Browsing Practices
• Strong Passwords and Authentication
• Not using a 3rd party AV solution

As far as I understand an AV solution brought down a bunch of devices due to a "faulty" update?

[weak musk]

oh no

hahaha

[weak musk]

This video is by the guy who wrote apollo (reddit app) for iOS. I really enjoyed it and wanted to share-- it's fun seeing how other people think through problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UXsD7nSfDY

[forest edge]

you mean the new standard? lol

[forest edge]

so not looking forward to redoing my dashboard to cram more information in on a single dashboard cause I dislike having to flip between mutiple dashboards lol

can only make the information so small

[winged obsidian]

Never trust anyone who can meet their MBOs by reformatting every drive in the company.

[static schooner]

Lots of non-IT folks getting a long weekend 🙂

Meanwhile, my Mac is working fine

The incident has helped identify the few Windows machines we have roaming around

[weak musk]

Apple should push out an ad that just shows images of a macbook with the tagline "15 reboots not required"

[forest edge]

my windows is working fine

[winged obsidian]

My personal Mac is still working fine. My corp Mac is still having the CPU eaten alive by the CrowdStrike process. It has nothing to do with the incident. It's a different flavor of 💩

[weak musk]

same

[winged obsidian]

At risk of saying something on-topic in this channel: my HAOS box is unaffected.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[weak musk]

to be clear though, I'm not using crowdstrike on my machine haha

[forest edge]

this probably just impacted california and in normal fashion they freaking out making it seem global but it really isn't

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/bSKS2.gif

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/window-gif-19523551

^^my windows

[winged obsidian]

Software from an Austin, TX company crashes software from a Redmond, WA company, and you still want to make it about California. Rent free in your head, dude.

[real frigate]

Those are actually pretty damn impressive... but I'd be terrified of falling out of them. lol

[winged obsidian]

I'd be more concerned about concussion

[static schooner]

Yeah, they cut away just as he was getting his head bashed in by the upper window

[weak musk]

haha I didn't see that

that's incredible

[winged obsidian]

It took watching the loop a few times to realize that was the end rather than part of the beginning. Ouch.

[real frigate]

That too... lol

[static schooner]

As long as you could lock it in place, seems like a cool use of space

Also, an excellent opportunity for leaks down the road

[weak musk]

just like skylights in general.

unfortunately

[forest edge]

and it worked lulz

here comes the fish I was trying to catch lol

[tidal bronze]

I read it's hard to find "talent" in TX. Seems like grass fed porter house is not great for IT related tasks. 🤣 Case of Michael Scott

[forest edge]

silicon valley 2.0, still working out the bugs lol

[ocean oar]

I luckily missed that bad update. Was driving home and they'd pulled it by the time I turned my laptop back on

Like I said last night, glad we only have a small number of windows servers, it failed to break everything so we had enough working infrastructure to be able to fix everything within a few hours.
Today, the great workstation cleanup begins

Just getting into the tech need from overnight to see how other people have gotten on

[subtle pasture]

Well now, this is cool. Intel n100 based system in Raspberry Pi form factor, starting at $60:
https://liliputing.com/radxa-x4-is-a-raspberry-pi-sized-computer-with-an-intel-n100-chip-m-2-slot-and-2-5-gbe-lan/

They even put a RP2040 on it for the GPIO header, so it's directly compatible with Pi hats 👀

[iron granite]

If you should buy one of those, let us know about your experience

[ember heart]

😁

[tidal bronze]

If this is how they iron out bug then the right field would be handling mosquitoes and shit. This is just a valley. No silicone there bud.

[subtle pasture]

For sure, though I expect it'll be pretty uneventful since it's just an ACPI-compliant x86 machine with full UEFI

"Yup, everything just kinda works"

[solar zealot]

what kinda cooler would this fit even

like this cant be standard mounting as its bare die and i highly doubt some standard mount is this off center

[forest edge]

why do I doubt that $60 price tag.

[lucid atlas]

About done for today 😇 400 clients manually fixed

[forest edge]

Superior valley?

imagine having boxes and boxes and boxes of VHS and DVD movie collections and finally wanting to sell them at a $1 a pop lol

so glad I never got into that

@last cedar got an ir flood light for the barn so I can see those pesky relatives of yours better.

[ocean oar]

Wow, you went for the big chungus one

[solar zealot]

does it support the equivalent of rgb in ir

so its like a raccoon club

where they come after work to eat some trash and hang out

[subtle pasture]

I'd probably use the same heatsink as the UP Board, since it shares the same mounting pattern:

Or get a case that doubles as a heatsink, which is what I do with Pi's

[solar zealot]

i see

[forest edge]

what would you use it for?

[solar zealot]

homeassistant stuff

[subtle pasture]

Same things I'd use a Pi for. This would be baller for running Klipper on my 3D printer.

[forest edge]

by the time you factor in cost of cooling, a case and power i fear it would come close to what a nuc style n100 is being sold for already that has more io on it

[subtle pasture]

I have a Pi 3B+ doing that job right now, and the web interface is... not snappy.

[solar zealot]

is it... klippy

;D

[subtle pasture]

Strictly speaking, the Pi 5 has similar issues, and a higher base price

But yes, you could get any N100-based mini PC and plug a RP2040 into a USB port, and have the same thing in a nice package.

[solar zealot]

its for wether or not you need the proper igpu and gpio combination

[forest edge]

I don't support the pi5 either lol

[solar zealot]

not too terrible for 60 bucks

[subtle pasture]

I appreciate that this is a drop-in Pi5 replacement, with the same power envelope even

It will run off the same 25w USB-C power adapter that the Pi5 does. lol

[ocean oar]

I'm kinda sad that the Minisforum S100 turned out to have thermal throttling issues when powered by PoE. Hardly unexpected, but still disappointing.

[solar zealot]

it has a poe option?

[ocean oar]

https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-s100

[solar zealot]

i suppose you could at least configure the power down no?

out of stock :C

[subtle pasture]

I've run into this exact issue several times while trying to build DIY streaming media center boxes. Most ARM boards just don't have either A) the performance, or B) the HDCP compliance required to run Android TV properly.

N100? No sweat.

[forest edge]

there should be a hard cut off on what you can power using poe lol

[ocean oar]

I was charging my laptop from a PoE switch while I was working in the datacentre yesterday 😛

Have one of these 60W PoE to USB-PD adapters: https://www.microchip.com/en-us/product/pd-usb

[solar zealot]

nothing wrong with that

if youd start powering the whole setup off poe then the eybrows go up

but until then ;D

[subtle pasture]

Me over here running a PoE powered PoE switch, which then powers a WAP, two down-stream PoE powered switches, and two security cameras.

One PoE injector if effectively powering three switches, two cameras, and a WAP

something-something partridge in a pear tree

[forest edge]

I don't get how the wires in the cable don't melt under load lol

[subtle pasture]

High voltage, low amperage

I fully admit to using 100% of my PoE budget on that setup, though

That one PoE injector works hard

[solar zealot]

sounds like you need more of them

[subtle pasture]

The issue is all the ethernet in the house terminates in a cupboard in a hallway in the dead-center of the house, and there's no power run in there.

So I threw a PoE powered PoE switch in there

Being dead-center, it was also a good place for a WAP

[forest edge]

how does poe handle brown outs?

[subtle pasture]

You set device priority and it keeps whatever it can alive with the remaining power budget.

At least, that's how it's handled on the switch I'm using

Cisco SG250-10p

[forest edge]

I don't think i can depend so much on poe being both power and data for so much stuff

[ocean oar]

Yeah that's how Juniper and Arista do it too; Juniper just has high/low priority, Arista I think 4 levels

[subtle pasture]

The alternative was wiring an outlet into a cabinet, which is... questionable as far as code compliance goes.
Then adding a plenum-rated UPS to the cabinet to replace the UPS that the PoE injector runs off of.

[forest edge]

outlet inside a cabinet shouldn't be a code issue?

[subtle pasture]

I know outlets in closets aren't allowed

[forest edge]

my mothers house has a linen closet in the middle of the house directly above the main return vent. I ran a plug in that. as long as the plug was done correctly it's legal

you can't install a breaker box in a closet tho

is that maybe what you were thinking?

[subtle pasture]

Ah, apparently they updated the code in 2015

The original code from 2005 did forbid electrical outlets in closets. The updated code from 2015 allows it as long as they're "outdoor recepticles"

2015 CEC section 26-702

[forest edge]

must be a state thing cause my state dosen't even require it to be outdoor

[subtle pasture]

California, so that'll do it

[forest edge]

lol

[subtle pasture]

Pretty sure the want it to be CAFCI like a bathroom outlet

[forest edge]

pay more taxes, maybe they will lighten the pressure applied to your throat.. right @tidal bronze ?

[subtle pasture]

It's not even the taxes that are killing me. The price of basics like groceries has gone insane.

[forest edge]

people on nextdoor were just talking about the MO sales tax applied to groceries

[subtle pasture]

Unrelated: But is it required to channel the spirit of a 70 year old grouchy male electrician when working on old-work residential?

[forest edge]

they complain that other states don't have that yet don't understand the money has to come from somewhere regardless lol

[weak musk]

break out the sage

[subtle pasture]

I was swapping a ceiling fan out for a new one last weekend, and discovered that the previous owners had installed the first ceiling fan on a plastic electrical box that was IN NO WAY rated for the weight of a fan.

There was SWEARING I tell you. lol

[forest edge]

lol

was it one of those old beefy plastic ones tho?

[subtle pasture]

I'm pretty sure the original fixture was a dome light. The switch on the wall was also barely sufficient for it, and would get warm with the fan in operation.

[forest edge]

they make some thick ass plastic ceiling boxes lol

[weak musk]

I had that scenario x3 when I moved in

[forest edge]

infact some of the rated for celing fan ones are plastic boxes mounted to the support arm that spans joist to joist

[subtle pasture]

No, it was a small round one for standard ceiling fixtures. They had to screw a metal strap to it to add additional width to the electrical box so the fan's mounting hardware would even attach to it.

[weak musk]

plus the previous owner had bragged about their extensive electrical work-- I found painters tape used in place of wire nuts in 3 lights

[forest edge]

lol

[subtle pasture]

Me over here using Wago lever nuts wherever possible

Love those things

[forest edge]

you know.. eletrical tape turns hard and flakes off over time.. the painters tape may last longer lol

[subtle pasture]

I've always had no end of trouble getting solid + stranded wire to stay solidly in a wire nut. Wagos solve that.

[weak musk]

wagos are great

[forest edge]

your not suppose to mix the two in a wire nut regardless

[weak musk]

I prefer no tape in my electrical boxes, regardless of type, if possible.

[subtle pasture]

Tell that to Lutron...

All of their Caseta smart switches use stranded wire, include some cheap wire nuts, and the directions tell you to screw them down to the solid-core building wiring. lol

Ask me what prompted me to buy a giant box of Wagos of various sizes in the first place <_<

[forest edge]

yea i don't know why that was even allowed

they make special wire nuts specifically to handle stranded to solid and I do see those come with some products but not all

but traditional wire nuts are just bad regardless

least now the lever style like wago are being packaged more and more with stuff you buy now

[subtle pasture]

The next people to own this home are going to appreciate that I've swapped so much out, I'm sure

[forest edge]

maybe

someone people live in a place and never see anything past the face plate

[subtle pasture]

Fair, though they'll still appreciate that I've swapped the contractor-grade outlets for industrial grade 😛

[forest edge]

majority of my house still uses wire nuts everywhere. only stuff i messed with in the past few years have wagos lol

[subtle pasture]

Tired of cheap outlets going loose, and then being a pain to replace because the original builders used backstab for everything.

[static schooner]

I took the opportunity to replace all my wire nuts when I replaced all my switches with Inovelli Blues a few months ago

part of the reason was that they can be easier to cram into a small box, but I'm also more confident in the connection

[subtle pasture]

Yup, I had both of those come into play on the particularly crowded box near my entryway

3 gang when it should probably be a 4-gang with a blank for the last spot on the plate

There's WAY too much wire jammed in there

[forest edge]

the longevity of smart switches worry me

I put some shellies in which can fail just as easily but when it's all bakes into the same thing, it's just more stuff to fail

[subtle pasture]

Same, though I do appreciate not having to screw with any home automation when changing a dumb lightbulb on a smart switch.

[forest edge]

i've had to replace various non standard switches over the years due to something failing in them. switches like timers or motion the older "smart" kind fo switches and it just dosen't give me much faith in the newer stuff longevity

I use one of those 5,10, 15 20 minute switches for my bathroom exhaust fan. already had to replace one of those and it hasn't even been 20 years

[subtle pasture]

I've had good luck with Lutron hardware. Our switches are coming up on 10 years old.

They need their own hub, but it's 100% local control via either Homekit or the official HomeAssistant integration.

[forest edge]

when i redid this house lutron was the only company that made switches where you could adjust fan speed but they required what they called canopy modules to be installed in with the fan

had to replace two of those over the years.. thankfully they switched to a version that dosen't need the canopy module

but thats a rela pain

[subtle pasture]

Wait, Lutron makes canopy modules? hol-up.

[forest edge]

having to drop a cieling fan just to fix something like that lol

i think it was lutron

[subtle pasture]

I've been using the ones that came with my fans and puppeting them with a Bond bridge to make them smart. lol

if I could make them Lutron, that'd be an entire hub/integration I could do away with

[forest edge]

yea it's lutron

they look like these

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_FJi3Ktpf2ryIh1kQmo_8TIlXfqRVdpG21cvTPmgVaDFNVb_5QqLkmEfEdYWEz3eZhWmeWIZW7DdKKzvhEXo4IjUnuFOlLtxkgOtk27mFg-n0k175H5xvYzrk

they were high dollar. like 50-70 a switch back then

the first versions of those required a canopy module to be installed in the fan box.. but later versions don't require that canopy module anymore

[subtle pasture]

Oh, that's Lutron Maestro

Not compatible with Lutron Caseta

[forest edge]

this all predates any smart switches with wifi etc

i think zwave was just coming out

like a few years after i installed these

[subtle pasture]

Lutron Maestro has no smart functionality at all, is the issue

Good switches, but they'll never integrate with Home Assistant

[winged obsidian]

Lol, I use electrical tape to ensure the Wago levers stay down

[forest edge]

its what I was refering to to older "smart" switches

[weak musk]

that's fair

[forest edge]

my bathroom timer switches which I already had to replace one was leviton switches like these https://rexel-cdn.com/products/levltb301lz.jpg?i=3FC7F309-A1EC-4D2E-8B83-2C8E04868D85&f=420

[subtle pasture]

I just did these for bathroom fans: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-Decora-In-Wall-Humidity-Sensor-Fan-Control-3-A-Single-Pole-White-R02-IPHS5-0LW/204734988

[winged obsidian]

I've got one that I know has an ESP in it, but haven't gotten around to figuring out new firmware. Just let it keep crying out for the Tuya mothership and getting no answers.

[subtle pasture]

They trip on automatically based on humidity

[forest edge]

I replaced the one above with this one lmao

[subtle pasture]

There you go. lol

[forest edge]

it still works..

you can tell the humidity detection aspect is starting to degrade tho

[subtle pasture]

I also have some Lutron Maestro switches in the laundry room and garage. They're motion sensing and turn on automatically when the room is entered. No need for any more smarts than that.

[forest edge]

I have had to replace 3 pir motion switches over the years

not sure what brand it was

[subtle pasture]

Motion sensing switches are also required by code in "utility rooms and garages" now, so I guess I'm up to code on that front.

That's also a California thing

[forest edge]

for commerical.. not residential

[ocean oar]

I have a motion sensor light in my garage. It's 100% out of laziness

[forest edge]

for resdential in califronia?

[subtle pasture]

They did it for residental too. It came though with new regulations for solar.

[forest edge]

rotf

and people wonder why i crack on cali so much

[subtle pasture]

I mean, I don't mind my laundry room light coming on automatically when walking in with my hands full of laundry basket 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

I can't imagine newer pir switches being anymore reliable than older ones

[ocean oar]

I also have a PIR in our interior hallway, because it's absolutely pitch black in there at night.
Pairs nice with smart bulbs, that can turn on at 1%/1500K in the middle of the night and not blind people getting up to go to the bathroom

[subtle pasture]

time based brightness is a nice feature, for sure

[forest edge]

I put a pir switch hooked to a shelly in my barn

the bugs set that thing off all the time lol

I need to find something else to do with that

[winged obsidian]

Maybe you could get some bats to eat them all

[forest edge]

then they would be what sets it off..

[ocean oar]

I had to strategically mount the sensor to avoid the cats triggering it

[forest edge]

not even sure these mmwave sensors would be any better after reading how flowing air can trigger them

[subtle pasture]

I've had my roomba trip the occupancy sensors included with my Ecobee thermostat...

[ocean oar]

Ha, brilliant

[subtle pasture]

Thankfully, besides the thermostat deciding it needs to pay attention to the temperature of that room, all I use those occupancy sensors for is automatically turning off lights if the room is empty for 3+ hours.

[subtle pasture]

Reminds me of the guy that figured out you could get locked automatic sliding doors to open by ripping a fat cloud from a vape through the crack between the doors, passed the sensor.

Sensor just sees "big thing in front of door" and opens for what it assumes is a person trying to exit.

[tidal bronze]

What pressure?

[forest edge]

from the pistol that's obviously being held against your head to force you to drink that stuff...

you can call for help without letting them see you are calling for help by saying something along the lines of "all for the love"

[tidal bronze]

The only gun/guns that I know is in a stupid safe. Wish ebay accepted this dumb metal sales.

[forest edge]

so you admit that even you feel more protected by having a gun?

i have a lot of guns in this house and not a single one bought by me

I need to sell some

[tidal bronze]

It's the most pointless crap in the house. I used to collect back in the day when I was less wise. Can't wait to sell that dumb shit off.

[forest edge]

it's only dumb till you need it

[tidal bronze]

Will never need it. Anyone one can take anything they want.

[forest edge]

"sharing the love" will only protect you so much lmao

[tidal bronze]

Protect? Lmao. I would rather insurance deal with it. I don't like to get my ears pierced 🤣

[crisp oriole]

O yeah. My washing machine totally gona get his blog.

[umbral cliff]

QF and Sonoma are like a married couple
They never stop bickering

[weak musk]

100%

[umbral cliff]

But in the end we all know they secretly love each other

[crisp oriole]

Yet an other toxic relationship

[tidal bronze]

All for love, rainbows and avocado toast.

Celebrating *****strike

[tidal bronze]

If it's not toxic why have a relationship at all? 🤣

[crisp oriole]

Dont know. I dont do stess so toxic does not arouse me.

https://paste.debian.net/1323705/ 1st blog attempt using the home assistant integration

[static schooner]

Like and subscribe!
Uh, no

[crisp oriole]

I made it to up my lacking washing routine.

Its out of control now.

[tidal bronze]

Chemical issues.

[forest edge]

I thought that was another california law? for everyone's ears to get pierced? lol

[tidal bronze]

Not from plastic splinters 🤣

[brazen fable]

Switching everything to a new phone is so easy these days sheesh

Apps app data etc moved over in 30 minutes while I ate dinner

Sans banking apps of course

[winged obsidian]

@forest edge peak cuisine for you? https://www.kmbc.com/article/taco-royals-games-kauffman-stadium-hot-dog-burger/61635926

I’m pretty sure raccoons would reject this.

[forest edge]

you only live once

[true herald]

Question for my network nerds; anyone running a unifi dream machine?

[glacial knot]

a couple at work

[prisma briar]

A friend of mine has one I've poked at a little bit. Seemed expensive for what it is.

[forest edge]

all the money in unifi goes into the software

[prisma briar]

Yea, if you're into their software it'd make more sense

Still, $300 for a shined up router/ap combo that doesn't even do wifi 6 is a lot

[forest edge]

well once you in the ecosystem you are kind of stuck depending how much you've already invested

it's what they bank on

it's kind of like apple in the sense that all thier shit does play very well together from everything I have seen and read

[prisma briar]

It's networking equipment, though, if it doesn't play well it's basically broken.

[forest edge]

its not tho, they have sensors, cameras, doorbells etc etc

[prisma briar]

people buy that stuff?

[forest edge]

oh yea

they make a big deal out of new stuff just like apple fans do

why someone managed to make clone the dream machine and whatever that other thing required to put together the ecosystem so people could use thier cameras etc without having to buy the hardware versions of whats required to get all of the perks

I think quad uses it

I don't understand why there cannot be a simple program to rotate rtsp streams to one single output

[prisma briar]

https://github.com/bluenviron/mediamtx might be able to

[forest edge]

no i tried that when it was rtsp-simple-server

[prisma briar]

I use iframes and a bit of javascript to change their z-index to adjust which is on the front for my camera monitor

[forest edge]

it can be done through using vlc and scripts or even pipen through a pi but I really don't want to have to go through all those hoops

there should be a simple docker container capable of doing it yet there isn't

[prisma briar]

A python script that listens for the cameras and cycles through which it's actually forwarding on every few seconds wouldn't be hard but it'd be another thing to maintain.

[forest edge]

and it blows my mind that something that has been able to be done through such means hasn't evolved to something much simplier and easier to deal with

[prisma briar]

I've been making an audio router to send audio around my house that has stuff like that but had no real plans for video, heh.

[forest edge]

ironically paid software like blue iris can do a bunch fo shit I would like, but switching my server to windows and ditching frigate.. bleh lol

[prisma briar]

blue iris was nice, but, yea, that windows requirement sucks

I think it also needs a gpu for most of it's nicer features

[forest edge]

I have that

[ocean oar]

I don't know why the big commercial NVR products force Windows, XProtect is the same.
Given at the very least that all of the filesystems available to Windows are absolutely arse at storing huge numbers of files (or just arse in general).

[forest edge]

maybe easier to maintain?

[prisma briar]

I wonder if blueiris would run under wine

[forest edge]

no

I looked into that

wine is fine for some stuff but just like when it comes to games, the more resources intensive something is the worst wine handles it

[ocean oar]

XProtect also uses SQL Server Express, which, ick

[prisma briar]

I can run frigate in a container and give it access to my linux host's gpu, I can't do that with a WIndows VM without putting another GPU in a box that has no space to fit literally any expansion card.

[forest edge]

running docker in windows is the other thing I don't want to mess with

although they do have docker desktop for windows

[prisma briar]

I have the home assistant dev environment set up which relies on Windows Docker

[forest edge]

whjich looks nice

now that I think about it. windows actually has a lot of perks when ran as a remote server

[prisma briar]

All Linux Docker containers on Windows are are containers running in a linux vm under hyper-v

[forest edge]

unlike older windows, newer windows isn't as much of a resource destroyer

[prisma briar]

WSL2 is nice too

I have enough Linux around I don't find much use for it but it's been nice the couple times I wanted to run a sed on Windows.

[forest edge]

my issue would be I would have to run realvnc anytime i wanted to do anything

[prisma briar]

Windows's built-in RDP is nicer than vnc

[forest edge]

well whatever

putty and ssh currently for the smaller things i need to do time from time is quicker for me

[prisma briar]

I haven't used putty in a while. Windows has an SSH client with it now.

I think it has a server too

yea it does

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/openssh/openssh_install_firstuse?tabs=gui

[forest edge]

use to putty

i don't like change if i don't have to

technically since my server display output pipes over my coax I could just buy a cheap wireless keyboard and mouse and skip the vnc lol

but I don't like the idea of having to fish out the keyboard and mouse lol

[prisma briar]

that setup sounds cursed

lol

[forest edge]

its kind of nice

how i display my cameras to the tv's

course i need to disable that stupid snap auto update check thing

don't care for that popup

[prisma briar]

I looked into getting coax cameras for my house but a previous homeowner cut all the wires under the house

[forest edge]

oh no, not coax cameras

i pipe the hdml from my server to an rf modulator

and just tune to whatever channel i set for it

and no, not through rabbit ears.. the signal is all line and dosen't back feed into the air

i checked lol

[prisma briar]

I got a 433mhz camera for an rc car I built and a capture card so I could send it to my vr headset but the car design I found sucks and I haven't got around to trying a new one

[forest edge]

wouldn't the resolution be so low to make you sick with vr?

I run across some pretty cheap looking 433mhz chinese camera contraptions from time to time

they look like ass

[prisma briar]

I don't get motion sick from VR so I'm not worried but for some people probably

I got a little camera that's about 1"x.5"x.5" and runs off of a lithium cell

[forest edge]

shit looked like older tv's back when things just switch from black and white

oh the ones i saw anyways

[prisma briar]

I'd say the one I have is on par with VHS quality

but it's also zero latency

There's less than 30ms of latency from the camera to my VR headset

[forest edge]

isn't like 240 resolution or something?

[prisma briar]

and almost all of that is my capture card and the VR headset itself

[forest edge]

maybe even lower

[prisma briar]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PK98HC claims 1280x960, I'd guess it's sending 480 lines but I'm not sure

[forest edge]

that says 5.8G?

[prisma briar]

Oh, I guess I went with 5.8g instead of the 433mhz ones. It's been a while since I did anything with that project.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H36AIGY -> retrotink -> AVerMedia GC573 capture card

I looked at a few different cameras when I was getting it.

[forest edge]

trying to find the video I watched where this kid compared a couple models. it was horrendous

[prisma briar]

It definitely has a poor image but it's enough to be able to drive an RC car by

[forest edge]

oh i think i got confused. i think they were cameras that just piped video directly to RF tv

[prisma briar]

I imagine those would have issues from power transmission limits for those bands

[forest edge]

it was bad.. like i said super low resolution and the picture was all crappy. not sure why I was thinking it was over 433mhz but I don't think you can send video over that regardless

[prisma briar]

yea I'm not sure why I was thinking 433.

Confusing it with the frequency my water and gas meters use I think

vhf is only in the 100MHz range though so you probably could manage a video signal over 433

[forest edge]

sucks I can't find it. was a funny video to watched. I just pictured people actually trying to use that crap for security monitoring and it made me laugh

[prisma briar]

something I don't get is why ntsc encoded brightness on the same frequency as color when they could've sent color on a different frequency and decades of color fringing could have been avoided. Seems like there was plenty of frequency space to put that on.

and older b&w sets would have just not listened for that color info

[forest edge]

I will say atsc 3.0 is nice

we are going back into an era where complete wireless is capable just as we latch onto needing a lan cable over coax lol

[prisma briar]

atsc was a huge upgrade here. Probably doubled or tripled the channels available OTA and the quality is way better than ntsc

[forest edge]

tripled due to channels actually making it to the antenna vs before when they got lost? lol

[prisma briar]

Well they added digital subchannels and a lot of networks started up second channels on them

[forest edge]

ota tv still sucks here.. but the quality is super nice. too bad atsc won't be anything more than what it currently is

[prisma briar]

There'll be another upgrade in 40 years and another rash of youtube videos showing the last atsc channel in their area going dark

[forest edge]

i follow that shit where channels want to lock down atsc so they can add content via paid subscriptions or whatever

crazy stuff

and it's capable of doing that too, just like the old pay per view shit

atsc 3 is capable of back and forth

[prisma briar]

If they pay to license the usage I don't see how that's much different than them just doing it on a different frequency like satellite operators do

[forest edge]

theres is alot of crap

some want to force the tv to have internet connection in order for the ota channel to come through etc

[prisma briar]

I think the entire concept of ota tv should be dumped and we should allocate that bandwidth to public internet service

[forest edge]

kind of surprised the amount of people who are perfectly happy with what ota currently offers.. i can never go back to just that

well one day they may do something dumb, add everything to ota and just charge you passivly through taxes for it lol

[prisma briar]

I haven't actually used OTA in years. I used it a lot at my parents' house but never had a good antenna in any of the apartments I lived at and I just have no interest in putting one on my house now

[forest edge]

I keep it on hand.. tornado valley and all

[prisma briar]

I have a couple emergency radios for that stuff

[forest edge]

I like seeing pictures lol

I wish phones had built in tuners

some use to have that

[prisma briar]

That and IR blasters are sadly gone from phones

[ocean oar]

I need to put a radio in our emergency supplies. Them shits have gotten expensive though, like ridiculously so

[forest edge]

I like those swiss army style ones

where it has a hand crank for power, flash light and usb port for charging lol

[prisma briar]

I have a cheap one I think I spent $5 on and a pack of AA's I keep in their package in my trunk

with my car starter and tire pump and coat and stuff

[forest edge]

what would your emergency be? blizzard?

you don't get earthquakes that far east do you?

[prisma briar]

That, and I got caught in a forest fire once too

fire trucks found me and escorted me out

[forest edge]

interesting

not use to hearing colorado having forest fires

[prisma briar]

Colorado has a fire season the same as Cali does, they're just generally further from civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_Canyon_Fire This fire burned 346 homes less than 10 miles north of me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire took out a chunk of Boulder

[forest edge]

california must drown you out with those then

cause I don't see anything about it on the news

[prisma briar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Forest_Fire another one that was about 15 miles northeast of me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colorado_wildfires

it's a long list

[forest edge]

heh yea you get them about every year

although the sub 1000 acre ones won't make national news

[prisma briar]

I got burned out on Laramie Peak in Wyoming and had to leave because of an evacuation once too

I was a kid when that happened

[forest edge]

move further up the moutain, fire can't breathe up there lol

actually the last time i was up on those mountains was when i was a kid, i don't recall breathing being that much harder

[prisma briar]

Trying to do stuff on the top of a 14,000'er is harder, imo. I've driven high enough into the mountains before my engine died.

Whenever I go to sea level I have a ton of energy. Last time I was in Virginia Beach I rented a bike and biked like 20 miles in a day, which is decently more than I'd normally do on a whim.

[brazen fable]

I've got 4 udm pros

And deployed way more.

[forest edge]

I couldn't do unifi

I looked into once, a lot of the stuff looks cool but once you dive into what the hardware actually is and then look at the price tag.. I just couldn't lol

[prisma briar]

Their APs are all I would ever consider

Maybe some of their more niche P2P stuff if I ever was doing a setup like that

And even then I'm looking to move away from their APs sooner rather than later

Got my eye on a Ruckus one

[forest edge]

once you start using that software and seeing how it all intergrates you won't stop at just one thing lol

[prisma briar]

Ruckus or Unifi?

[forest edge]

unifi

[prisma briar]

I have four APs and an install of their controller, not overly into it.

[forest edge]

you are already using the controller?

[prisma briar]

yea, some deb I installed on an ubuntu container that I use to configure the APs and manage wifi/clients

[forest edge]

and you don't like it?

everything i seen it looks nice, they pour a lot into it too.. everything else looks like it was made in the 80's lol

[prisma briar]

All it adds that I care about is the ability to configure multiple APs at once.

[forest edge]

yea you are limited to what you have

[prisma briar]

To me it's functionally the same as the UI in any other AP, I'm just doing actions on more than one of them at a time.

[forest edge]

if you had a switch or something you would see more options

[prisma briar]

Yea a lot of it says I need a cloud gateway to access this feature

[forest edge]

controller and cloud key? is that what it is

i remmeber there being two things

cloud key server or something

[prisma briar]

that's what it gives me on the old ui, on the new ui that page is just blank

[forest edge]

yea quick search says thats diffrent

thats refering to a router

cloud key is the controller

confusing

[prisma briar]

lol at the topology graph it gives me

https://tenor.com/o3ig.gif

[forest edge]

oh i guess they support 3rd party hosting of the controller. i don't think that was always the case

[ocean oar]

Always has afaik. Used to host it on a VM for work right back in the 11n AP days, early 2010s

Back before they even had switches, routers, or anything else

[prisma briar]

I've had the controller running in a container the entire time I've had their APs.

I know they can be configured standalone but I never tried

[forest edge]

really? I thought they themselves did not support that but people were able to just do it anyways

plus I thought there was something with the cloud key that was seperate that you needed to be able to do everything

[ocean oar]

They don't allow self-hosting Protect (which is the one you'd really want) or any of the other apps I don't think. Just the network controller

[forest edge]

oh

well screw that lol

I thought even though the cloud key thing was required it was all still managed and hosted locally

just with optional cloud access

[prisma briar]

I think the UDM will let you host some of that locally

[ocean oar]

UDM Pro will run any of their apps.
UDM non-Pro just network.
CK2+ (HDD model) everything.
CK2 (non-HDD, not sold anymore) just network.

Not confusing at all

[prisma briar]

If all the udm non-pro does is what I have in this interface plus a router then it's not worth $300 imo.

[forest edge]

I guess it makes sense cause some of that shits hardware is like roku equivalent so I could see how it couldn't host it lol

[ocean oar]

It's annoying not being able to use the storage you already own for cameras.
Their cameras (and the system as a whole) works pretty well, but being limited to their hardware is definitely a downer.

[forest edge]

I thought someone had like cloned thier software but made it for like general use.. not even for unifi stuff but just anything

this was years ago so not sure that is still a thing, but I thought I ran across something like that before

[ocean oar]

One of the really early versions of Protect came in an x86 variety, people had that running elsewhere.
Every single device Ubiquiti will sell you to run it now is ARM, which seemingly has put an end to that.

[forest edge]

ah

that company sure did something right tho

being able to make these devices off the hadrware they choose and regulate it how they do

I see new unifi stuff videos all the time and it always looks wow

but you just know under the hood you are askig for trouble i terms of $$$

I would have loved the uifi doorbell with the screen

even the new in wall cameras look nice.. kind of spyish but nice

[ocean oar]

We use cameras like that in our datacentre at work. I quite like it as a concept

They're these: https://www.axis.com/products/axis-fa1105-sensor-unit + https://www.axis.com/products/axis-fa54-main-unit

[prisma briar]

Wasn't that like $350?

And also perpetually out of stock

my place had a few cameras like that they were monitoring with zoneminder of all things

ZoneMinder sucked hard.

[forest edge]

yea unifi ones are a little bigger tho i think plus they got the brains in nodule where the poe plugs in off the the wire

[forest edge]

it wasn't cheap but I couldn't just have the doorbell I had to have the controller and with the camera aspect I would been kind of fucked in that sense too without all the features the cloud key+ thing gave vs just running the controller in a container

[prisma briar]

I wired my doorbell up to a zbmini and I have a poe camera with two way audio pointing at my porch

[forest edge]

I use the reolink one currently and happy with it but it dosen't have a cool interactive screen and a down facing second camera lol

[prisma briar]

My PoE camera is mounted about 10' up a wall aiming down

[forest edge]

reolinks new 4k doorbell should give enough fov to see further down i hope. we'll see

[ocean oar]

I would actually prefer the doorbell to have fewer things.
The light that the Ubiquiti ones have is great for finding the keyhole, but I don't particularly need the screen, or 2nd camera.

[forest edge]

the screen is just a gimmick

although I thought you could send test to it remotely?

text

[prisma briar]

I got an electronic door lock with a backlit keypad, it's nice. Between that and my push-button car I haven't used a key in probably a year.

[forest edge]

ew i will never trust those

[prisma briar]

it's not like a normal door lock is particularly secure

[forest edge]

yea but some kid playing on some 25 bucks device won't inadvertly unlock it either

[prisma briar]

it's z-wave, not a rolling code garage door opener

[forest edge]

s://suretyhome.com/can-hackers-unlock-my-z-wave-door-lock

https://suretyhome.com/can-hackers-unlock-my-z-wave-door-lock

damn keyboard

[prisma briar]

so a single model of door lock from a single manufacturer had a security defect?

[forest edge]

that first sentence was enough for me to "panic"

thats just me and how i am tho

[prisma briar]

I see that, that article basically agrees with what I was saying about a physical lock still being the weak point.

[forest edge]

not saying the shit isn't solid 99.9 percent of the time but that .00000000000000000000001% is enough for me

[prisma briar]

You do realize how easy almost all traditional house locks are to get into, right?

[forest edge]

when it comes to some things I cannot trust "smart" stuff period

yes i do

but still

its one thing for someone to have to be at your door and another for them to be in a car across the street

or whatever