the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

Laundromats

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[tidal bronze]

Yes

[gleaming crater]

Only in poor areas

[forest edge]

foreigners.. never know wtf they are asking

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[clear ferry]

So everywhere except new York and Los Angeles then

[prisma briar]

Few apartments/houses don't have any laundry facilities, but laundromats are still around, yea. Lots of apartments have shared facilities where you have to go to a different level/building to get to the washer/dryer though.

At that time the apartment I was living in only had 3 working washers and they were always in use.

[clear ferry]

[prisma briar]

You've got a weird image of the US if you think NY and LA don't have poor people

[tidal bronze]

I would be proud to be near a laundromat than a dump of ice and 0.5 deli

[prisma briar]

That's like assuming Oslo doesn't have snow

[forest edge]

laundromats are handy in a few situations. especially when your needing to do a whole lot of clothes quickly

[clear ferry]

Their ratio of poor to rich probably outnumber other cities @prisma briar

At least in monetary total value

[prisma briar]

Most laundromats also do more than just provide a washer and dryer, they have commercial services for businesses, you can go drop off 100s of pounds of laundry and they'll clean and fold and press them for you

[glacial knot]

we have some of the laundry services around
But I'd have to go to the city (i.e. poor people territory) for a laundromat 😂

[clear ferry]

I think there are two dry cleaners in Oslo, but I haven't seen it in any other cities

[tidal bronze]

Yep too small to see the big picture

[forest edge]

lol

[clear ferry]

I see the US ego is to scale in that picture too

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir.

Big boys club

[glacial knot]

So you are quadflight 😂

[prisma briar]

Just saying, NY and LA have some of the most famously poor neighborhoods in the country. Skid row, Harlem, etc...

[glacial knot]

pls rename to QF-Kale
thx

[tidal bronze]

Kelp ....come on now.

[glacial knot]

what about sea weed?

[forest edge]

queef...

[prisma briar]

queef kelp has already been made as a joke

[tidal bronze]

My food is not funny

[forest edge]

should just name yourself more realistically.. ostrich

[prisma briar]

That's surprisingly pointy for kelp

[glacial knot]

昆布, huh

[tidal bronze]

This deal guy makes me wanna goto costco all the time. 🤣

https://youtu.be/o3CJbfYSo_E?si=zr_ltRsLSh75JnzZ

[clear ferry]

Harlem is still just 200k vs 1.6m Manhattan vs 8.8m NYC and if you assume 50% of those are in the poor category, then it is still only 1.1%

[glacial knot]

You are going to buy Costco? Congrats on the new company

[prisma briar]

Harlem and Manhattan are two regions that constitute NYC

They're two of the five buroughs in NYC

[clear ferry]

Yes

I never disputed that

[tidal bronze]

I just want that Wok

[clear ferry]

Harlem isn't a borough though

Manhattan is

[prisma briar]

W/e

[forest edge]

says 10 things yet I think he's on #30 a minute into the video lol

[prisma briar]

In the US poor areas are often adjacent to wealthy areas is more what I was trying to get at, so blanket painting any larger city as 'wealthy' or 'poor' is silly.

And most people are in between wealthy and poor, I'd say

[forest edge]

still think sams club is better

[tidal bronze]

I don't know man. I drop in now and then.

Maybe I am biased

[forest edge]

well walmart is going full on amazon at this point so it can only improve i would think

not to mention they still do the drink and hot dog for a buck 50

[tidal bronze]

Same at Costco

[forest edge]

only out of competitiveness lol

[tidal bronze]

As long as its 1.50

[prisma briar]

I was gifted a Sams Club membership two years ago by a friend, they've renewed it twice now. I've literally never went because I'm not driving 20 miles to go to a bulk store when I normally only keep like a week's worth of food on hand.

Not even sure the last time I was in a Walmart

[tidal bronze]

These days they have some random hard to find single malts. That's more important than anything.

[prisma briar]

(I did tell them I've never gone, but I guess it's bascially free for them to renew for me)

[forest edge]

worth for things like toilet paper, towels etc if the membership is already paid for

[prisma briar]

If it was nearby and not a hassle to just get to the store, sure

My front door is about 200m from a Kroger

[tidal bronze]

These deals why I mostly go.

[prisma briar]

Hmm, I never tried Japanese Whiskey

[forest edge]

.... no words

[prisma briar]

I got a bottle of this peanut butter whiskey that is spot on with it's peanut butter taste

My drink of choice is probably Hennessy though

[static schooner]

I know where not to go in a zombie apocalypse

[forest edge]

i bet your costco is the only one in the country that stocks that stuff too lol

[prisma briar]

Lots of costcos have alcohol

Depends on the alcohol laws in your state

[static schooner]

Not at all. All of the ones near me have that kind of stuff

[forest edge]

so does gas stations..

[prisma briar]

gas stations can only sell beer here

Actually I think that changed at the start of the year

[forest edge]

aren't you in the same "bubble"?

[tidal bronze]

If you see anything from Suntory do let me know.

I will get my friend to dash out

[static schooner]

They used to have a bunch of Suntory, but haven't seen it in a while

[tidal bronze]

That's the problem. They had 6 bottles and 1 per.

[static schooner]

Probably a few years ago

[tidal bronze]

They even had Yamazaki 100th anniversary but I missed it 😔

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeyou switching to that atmos flexconnect?

[tidal bronze]

Not anytime soon.

[forest edge]

apparently my tv will be updated to support that this year at some point

[tidal bronze]

My seating positions are calibrated

[forest edge]

i won't utilize it but just saw it as a big thing for tv's in 2024 lol

[tidal bronze]

I thing wifi surround is getting very good. Sonos is at the top of the game.

[forest edge]

i thought it was bt

[tidal bronze]

BT? Maybe. I am not sold on that stuff yet. Once they get into bass transducers I will be looking into them

[solar zealot]

Do you guys trust the microsd snake oil of high endurance versions

[glacial knot]

only the Nintendo™ certified ones for my switch

[solar zealot]

In theory they advertise a couple hundred tbw

But there is nothing to compare that to

I can't believe that they have multiple flash tiers and that they only put the good stuff onto the much less common high endurance lines

[forest edge]

i had swapped the sd in my rpi at my farm for an endurance one when the cold seemed to have killed the prior one. not had any issues yet with it

[glacial knot]

it can also be over provisioning

but you only really get the data if you are a large customer/partner

[dusky plank]

some claim "industrial" high endurance, and that comes with some own specifications which they need to comply with, so there has to be some differences

[solar zealot]

they are targeted for a use on dashcams and video recording

they arent even noticable more expensive

[dusky plank]

yea I just bought some wd purple on ebay for 🤏 money

[solar zealot]

i got a couple for my pis the other day

[glacial knot]

Does it? Is that an ISO or IEEE standard?

[solar zealot]

but in that regard i also stopped using pis

so i may never know

[glacial knot]

just use them PXE with no local storage 😮

[forest edge]

i got it for the temp rating

[dusky plank]

neither I guess, its just the SD Association standards

[prisma briar]

I think the high endurance ones also have more testing in regards to things like radiation causing bit flips

And they're just underprovisioned a lot more

https://ripitapart.com/2020/07/16/reverse-engineering-and-analysis-of-sandisk-high-endurance-microsdxc-card/

Looks like they use a different nand type too

[red rock]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38702783 @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, I did do cloudflare companion, Kubernetes and metalLB to deploy my lab with internal IP adresse exposed to my domain on the internet 🥲

Container x spun up and got IP 192.168.250.44, then that is pushed to service.domain.com and I can use internally in my network

[glacial knot]

I considered adding 127.0.0.1 to a public domain at work...

I'm mostly worried about some subdomain shenanigans though

[late gate]

I did that and deleted half Oslo Kommunes user database haha

[blazing musk]

We got a membership because they were carrying the diapers we settled on then they never had them in stock again

The nearby one closed. Meanwhile at any Costco there's never a quiet time of day

[prisma briar]

I've been to costco a few times, it was basically bulk piles of commodities and random junk I could find at Walmart.

[clear ferry]

At least you didn't stop Norwegians ticket system or Schenkers entire fleet

[ocean oar]

My nearest Costco is ~650km away, about an 8.5 hour drive.
I mean to be fair there is but the one in New Zealand so far...

[clear ferry]

Stores like Costco died here in the 90s

[iron granite]

We had some Wallmarts here - they died

[clear ferry]

We had something similar to walmart in the 00s died after a decade

[iron granite]

1997 to 2006 here. They had their company headquarters in a former prison

[glacial knot]

We had walmart or a couple years (or was it only months?). Can't operate without abusing employees
And tried to operate the way they do in the US in Germany. Which just doesn't work. Greeters in super markets 😂

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-everyone-squidward-sponge-bob-gif-15055949

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/go-frick-yourself-family-guy-gif-26970844

I still don't get used to the American calls I'm on where people ask how are you doing? but they don't care really and they don't expect a reply

[last cedar]

You are used to not speaking to anyone for years? The usual Scandinavian way

[glacial knot]

I just give them the full answer every time 😂

[clear ferry]

I'll give you a randy scandy @last cedar

[clear ferry]

I do too just to make it awkward

[static schooner]

Don't just post random pictures

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/leopoldkrantz-leo-sleepy-raccoon-gif-21983005

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-gif-22142784

[static schooner]

These are all acceptable random pictures

[iron granite]

raccoondom pictures

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/alec-baldwin-farmer-30rock-tux-after6-gif-12241191

[last cedar]

I should stop now

Have to have material for tommorow

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sanders-colonel-sanders-dark-helmet-when-will-then-be-now-how-soon-gif-25062380

[red rock]

https://chaos.social/@LeoDJ/111700051694162324

[primal laurel]

Does it have a HA Integration?

[red rock]

its on github so you can make y our own

[static schooner]

Try to bring that on a plane

For your airborne bitcoin mining needs

[ocean oar]

I don't know why, but I want to see someone try to make it out of one of the long-ass HPE BladeCenter PSUs

[clear ferry]

Those are great PSUs

Except for the brownout issue

I probably replaced 500 PSUs proactively due to that

Also the C7000 PSUs are tiny compared to the XL675s

If memory serves right

They have the weird AC DC plug

[ocean oar]

This one?

[clear ferry]

Yeah that fucker

The C7000 with DC power was also fun, very popular in Japan, torquing power plugs

[ocean oar]

We cooked more than a few of the longboi 2650W PSUs because in the Apollo 6000 systems, if you installed the power shelves per HPE's documentation, the PSUs got no cooling.
Turns out you can't put the air exhaust on the top then also tell people they can install it with another device racked immediately above.

😄

[prisma briar]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802822997679.html :o

Totally going to make an adapter to hang like 5 of those off of a ryobi tool battery

[ocean oar]

I'm annoyed by how expensive the 1st-party DeWalt USB-C adapter is.
Don't want to build my own, but also don't want to pay for theirs.

I mean I also have one of those big-ass battery packs which has an 1800W inverter and two 100W USB-C outputs, so I'm pretty covered

[prisma briar]

None of Ryobi's official ones have anything over 30W PD

I have an 800w inverter that has a 12v plug and usb a and usb c, but still only 30w on the pd

It's got 12v though so I just have a car phone charger that'll do 65w in there

[ocean oar]

https://www.dewalt.com/product/dcb094k/20v-max20v-maxflexvolt-5-amp-usb-charging-kit
100W in/out USB-C, 12W USB-A

Weirdly that US version only comes with a 65W mains charger, the one we get here has a 100W

[prisma briar]

Yea, I've seen that one

I toyed with the idea of adapting my Ryobi battery to a Dewalt battery for one

But I'd really like more than one USB-C charger

I have six ryobi batteries and two chargers so I'm not super worried about it charging, I just want the outputs to run my phone/tablet/whatever off of

And my tablet doesn't charge+run off of 30w pd

Nor does my work laptop

[ocean oar]

I've wound up with eight batteries (two 18V 3Ah, four 18V 5Ah, two 54V 3Ah) and four chargers

[prisma briar]

All of mine are 18v, I have a 1.5Ah, 4 4Ah, and a 12Ah one

[ocean oar]

And then also the big chungus: https://www.ecoflow.com/us/delta-portable-power-station
Which is 1.26kWh

[prisma briar]

Oh, if we're talking normal batteries I have like 7200VA of UPSes here

I really want to make a whole home UPS

Something like https://www.amazon.com/12V-500Ah-LiFePO4-Out-Door-Applications/dp/B0CP6XHM5L on a BMS that my non-appliance circuits will switch to if the power goes out

Item Weight ‎79 pounds

jfc

[clear ferry]

Probably one of the reasons the engineer who designed the Moonshot 1500 chassis made it 4.2u

[ocean oar]

I remember those. 4⅓RU. What a concept

All of the Apollo 6000 stuff was 5U (chassis) and 1.5U (power shelf), but to make things line up the chassis could be mounted ½U off

Turns out they shouldn't have bothered, should have just made the power shelf 2U so it cooled itself properly and everything would have been fine

[clear ferry]

I think I've only seen one 6000 system in my life

It was a POC for water cooling with 45c inlet

I prefer the Apollo 8000 design

[ocean oar]

We had 220 chassis (10 racks of 8, 20 racks of 7)

Just a few

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge about to hit the oven and was thinking of you 😀

[blazing musk]

Non appliance except refrigerators of course

[forest edge]

you mean how you ruined crab?

[blazing musk]

We've been the one house with a generator for an extended outage and we had multiple neighbors using our freezer to save their food

[tidal bronze]

Oh how wish you were here.

Cajun lemon butter 😋

[prisma briar]

I meant my appliance circuits like my oven/dryer/heat pump/garage heater

I don't want to back those up

My furnace blower is all I care to back up off of battery

That, and computers + lights

Which would also include my fridge and basically everything but the stove in my kitchen

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnQCKa6GNWo

lmao, so predictable

it's going to fail

[prisma briar]

Hmm

I replaced a light fixture that held a single bulb with one that holds two

Now I can either buy a second Hue bulb to match the one I had or I can put a WiZ bulb in the other slot

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-bus-bus-laughing-bus-lol-hue-hue-hue-gif-5237092

[forest edge]

just stick a thermoelectric fan in there and be done with it

[prisma briar]

Lol, power went out literally across the road from me

Damn, just saw my highest power draw here so far. Hit 100A draw for a second.

Good thing my power isn't out, I don't think I could run my 5000w dryer with a hand crank

[static schooner]

#the-water-cooler message

[prisma briar]

lol

[static schooner]

@tidal bronze

Haven't had these

Then there's

[solar zealot]

Oh finally a store that sells empty bottle boxes!

[static schooner]

Also:

I don't know who buys out of that glass cabinet. I've seen $17k bottles in there

I have a plan for the washlet outlet. Should be easy

$10 less in-store

[tidal bronze]

Hibiki is nice.

[static schooner]

It's a blend with no age listed, so tends to be pretty affordable

[tidal bronze]

We too have Costco glass cabinet starting at 3k stuff

As long as they carry Prisoner I am a happy camper.

[umbral cliff]

What's the + CRV 10 in the corner

[static schooner]

Basically a recycling fee

[umbral cliff]

Ah

[static schooner]

You can collect money if you return bottles and cans and such, but I doubt anyone does. I just throw it in my recycling bin and the city gets it

[primal laurel]

we have big machines at every supermarket to hand it in

[umbral cliff]

Imagine going out of your way to get the 10c on a $8000 bottle

[static schooner]

There's a Seinfeld episode about it

I used to do cans years ago, but it was by weight and utterly worthless

[primal laurel]

they added cans here last year

but it's been kind of a fail so it's mainly drug addicts fishing them from bins

[ocean oar]

I remember about 25 years ago BP petrol stations here in NZ had like a reverse vending machine, into which you inserted empty cans and randomly got prizes (I remember packs of BP-branded playing cards). Definitely wasn't anything "official", just something they were doing.

[static schooner]

Yeah, we had those too. Auto can crushers that you could get money back from

Like a Coinstar for cans (deposits change), mostly in supermarkets

We also didn't have curbside recycling in previous cities, but I do now. No reason to take anything anywhere

In college, there were always homeless folks digging around in dumpsters for recyclables

[primal laurel]

here every supermarket is required to have one

it's worth it, especially if you hand in things like beer crates. If you had a party it could be 30 euro's or so

[forest edge]

brrrrr

[iron granite]

1.5 °C CPU temp is quite chilly.

[static schooner]

Overlock that baby!

Probably not designed for that

[forest edge]

as long as it don't hit 0c

it's close tho. just dropped to 1.0

[static schooner]

Time to mine some coin

For thermal reasons, of course

[forest edge]

i guess it's the lan port that's 0c. the cpu is rated to far lower

[static schooner]

Seti@home

Find some aliens

[iron granite]

Not available as add-on on a Pi

[static schooner]

Poor aliens

[iron granite]

Nevermind... Meant Folding@home 😅

[prisma briar]

If HA had a FAH group they could call it folding at home assistant

[tidal bronze]

Why do you wanna run your pi in a freezer? Isn't a temp sensor a better choice?

[forest edge]

you should come visit the midwest right now and make sure to wear your shorts

[tidal bronze]

I don't want to but sadly I have to 😡

[static schooner]

Not risking any body parts freezing off

[red rock]

Ope

[prisma briar]

Fuckin' Amazon, lol

[clear ferry]

What the actual

[prisma briar]

Somebody made that

[umbral cliff]

I love that
It's amusing

[clear ferry]

Best part is that it says accepted inputs are 15-40 but examples with 12

[umbral cliff]

Yes but it's important to know you can step down 12 to 12

[clear ferry]

Yes, probably with loss of efficiency

40% efficient

[umbral cliff]

12v space heater

[clear ferry]

I just realized the PCMR stuff where a couple share a desk with computers full of RGB and room lit up in all 255 variations is our generations LIVE LOVE LAUGH and I hate it

[glacial knot]

😂 RGB computers

[clear ferry]

Worst ADHD thing i ever saw was a CPU cooler with a OLED screen playing Rick and Morty

[umbral cliff]

My latest PC build has no RGB or lighting at all

[glacial knot]

I have the power LED connected

[clear ferry]

We don't need to get any of you diagnosed then

[red rock]

I have RGB

[clear ferry]

There we go

[glacial knot]

I have an appointment in late February for that

[clear ferry]

I would probably not be very good at my job if I was medicated

[red rock]

Why tho

[glacial knot]

the appointment, or atx's statement?

[fallow karma]

Hello there

[glacial knot]

General Kenobi

[umbral cliff]

Actually same

Funnily enough my servers have more RGB than my desktop lol
Mainly because I'm too lazy to turn them off and it's a good way to tell it's running from a distance

[red rock]

The statement

[clear ferry]

Because whatever makes me good at my job probably is a defect

[glacial knot]

I just want to know if Ritalin is actually as good as some claim online
Occasional days to do office work wouldn't hurt 😂

[clear ferry]

It does work well if you actually have adhd, if you are a wrongly diagnosed autist you are more likely to be tweaked and tired

[red rock]

Like, I have ADHD

And I get medication

When I don't take my medication I don't see when I need to stop with doing something

Or I didn't know I was doing it in the first place

So I kinda become an annoying person

And even with my medication I am defect

I have a hyperfocus

I can switch context really quick (this much that I start conversations with a question out of the blue and I always have people like, wtf are you talking about? Oh, this.)

[red rock]

And this was one of the reasons I'm now single again as she didn't like me coming home an hour too late or so

[glacial knot]

I tend to swap in old context randomly
And people get super confused how and why I'm suddenly on an old topic

Except for my trainer who has ADD
He just swaps along

[red rock]

Exactly that

Oh and I'm a practical thinker

I remember I had a group project once

And then I came with a seemingly question

And then they were like, nah, we're not going to answer it, it's not relevant

2 weeks or so later, it became relevant

[iron granite]

Similar happened to me too. Shortly before the lockdowns and curfews were declared for some time, I asked if we shouldn't get service cards to prove we are emergency services personnel and excepted from that regulations. Nah, we don't need that.
"A few moments later" that scenario happened and they worried how we could come to work - so they had to do nightshifts to print those service cards for every person.

[red rock]

😂

[iron granite]

"I told you so" is a regular thought

[glacial knot]

😂 luckily I'm not critical

[umbral cliff]

I would never try to get anything diagnosed
I like having a pilots medical lol

[glacial knot]

If they care about ADD, they'd probably already care about the depression on file 🤷

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/depresion-gif-25105923

I guess all the Americans are watching the throne change in Denmark and the volcanic eruption in Iceland

No wait, that wouldn't be patriotic

[iron granite]

I arranged myself with my diagnoses. They provide me additional vacation and earlier retirement.

[clear ferry]

Zzz early retirement

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/s6_B1AB9nu8?si=6Yg5P-7M7uRBtx9r

[glacial knot]

I feel bad for how much this amuses me
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/196e0vb/annoyed_by_loud_music_man_uses_drone_to_hit/

[dusky plank]

I chose you, Button!

[glacial knot]

😂 the correct one is the one that looks like you shouldn't press it

always

[gleaming crater]

Bonus points if the correct thing isn’t a button but some text below the buttons

[static schooner]

I don't think that those pervasive, intrusive dialogs have meaningfully improved anything

Just more stuff standing between me and the content I'm looking for

[glacial knot]

thats why firefox auto-declines the cookies for you

[dusky plank]

declining is the way, accepting just makes pages reload with the cookie set. another second at least wasted

[iron granite]

At work, every time I print something, I get a prompt asking if the print was okay or not.
Doesn't matter if you press Yes or No - no option has any consequences for the user (like being shown the print page again).

"Has it been okay?" - "No." - "Fine. Not my problem."

[glacial knot]

😂

I should figure out whether we have a colour printer anywhere in the office

[tidal bronze]

Any recommendations for a simple home lab dashboard?

[dusky plank]

Kelp?

Logo still says chrome

[clear ferry]

Maybe it has consequences for the printer

Yes senpai

[glacial knot]

it will be praised if it did good

[clear ferry]

And punished if it did bad

[forest edge]

thought you were anti-ui?

[iron granite]

[tidal bronze]

I am for HA/Automation. Looking up evernote for a docker container is getting a little old.

[tidal bronze]

Logo = Chrome Cast Audio

[dusky plank]

i have that in use but its very limited https://github.com/daledavies/jump

[tidal bronze]

How is the search function?

Want to document wifi clients and if searchable is a plus.

[dusky plank]

search just lists elemts you have in the dashboard with the option to continue on the page of your chosen search engine

[tidal bronze]

Can you add comments/descriptions to elements?

[dusky plank]

no

[forest edge]

rpi showing cpu temps hit -1.2C somewhere around 5am. and it's still going lol

[clear ferry]

Nice, we are going from -2 back to -27 now

[gleaming crater]

The cold water bidet is a bit chilly in this weather lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-japan-bidet-simpsonsinjapan-gif-22150493

[prisma briar]

It would be too boring.

[clear ferry]

There we go

[prisma briar]

Idk why we'd care about Denmark's royalty and, oh no, the land of volcanoes has volcanoes.

[clear ferry]

I'll have fun watching the reality show that is us the next year

[prisma briar]

My prediction is Trump's going to be barred from running in enough states he can't win overall, DeSantis is going to be the Republican candidate, and DeSantis is going to loose terribly because he's an overgrown frat boy.

Amd/or Trump will be unable to mount an effective campaign from whatever dark hole he's shoved in to.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-gif-22694683

[glacial knot]

How many seasons of Kardashians are there at this point?

[prisma briar]

That's still on?

[glacial knot]

🤷 dunno. But seen a shitpost about someone congratulating themselves to not watching it for 23 seasos now D:

[prisma briar]

I think most of America could probably claim that.

That show always seemed to have a small loud cult following

damn, not even noon yet

[solar zealot]

is that a lot?

[prisma briar]

It's about $3 in electric costs

[solar zealot]

seems about alright for heating purposes

[prisma briar]

I also have a gas furnace running too, this is just heating rooms the furnace doesn't hit well

[tidal bronze]

Central + HP?

[prisma briar]

Central is heat only, heat pump does heat and A/C.

[solar zealot]

50-60kwh a day in heat energy seems about right on a coldish day

[prisma briar]

Too cold here to rely on a heat pump year round

At least heat pumps sold in NA

[solar zealot]

hope they arent as efficient as the dryers around ;D

[tidal bronze]

What's your furnace BTU?

[prisma briar]

Not sure, it's enough to heat the entire house but does it really unevenly

[tidal bronze]

Ah, that.

[prisma briar]

Yea, to get my bedroom comfortable off of central heat on cold days like this I have to set the thermostat on my hvac to like 25C.

Which makes the parts of the house it actually heats to 25C uninhabitable

[solar zealot]

more heating zones!

[tidal bronze]

Or more units

[prisma briar]

So I set my central heat to 21C and raise individual rooms beyond (or to) that with the minisplit

[tidal bronze]

Minisplit AC is OK. Heating, meh

I have no clue how they would heat at all.

[prisma briar]

I have a 4 head 3 ton minisplit, it can keep whatever rom I'm in comfortable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Know how if you run an A/C the outside part gets hot and the inside part gets cold? If you reverse that the outside part gets cold and the inside part gets hot.

[tidal bronze]

What I meant efficiency compared to anything NG.

[prisma briar]

Ah. I have cheap power where I am.

[clear ferry]

I heat with minisplit down to -15 efficiently, the modern ones do -25 fine

[prisma briar]

Under optimal efficiency (which I'm not getting on a -20C day like today) my minisplit is just slightly more expensive than my nat gas heater to run.

[ocean oar]

Mine claims 100% of rated power output down to -15°C. But it rarely gets below 0 where I live so 🤷‍♂️

[prisma briar]

My minisplit switches to resistive heat when it gets this cold

So it's basically just resistive right now and constantly pulling 3kW

[tidal bronze]

Wowza

[prisma briar]

They make ones that run this cold but they're basically unobtanium in America

[tidal bronze]

So really bad at efficiency even if you pair up Solar in cold weather considering solar hours.

[prisma briar]

Yea, but according to energymaps my area is almost entirely green energy today so at least I'm burning less fuel to shove into the atmosphere

[tidal bronze]

So 58 in winter?

[prisma briar]

That's excluding my gas, but yea

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy.

[solar zealot]

what are yaal doing with that energy

do people eat it

[prisma briar]

And is including my friend's fucking ridiculous fishtanks that are currently sitting at 16kWh for the day

[solar zealot]

or is this like you and 35 raccoons

[ocean oar]

What do you think energy drinks are made from?

[clear ferry]

4 people, 250m2 lots of media and food

And cleaning

Done 4 loads of clothes today too

[solar zealot]

even if we heat the pool, hitting 25 is a stretch

[tidal bronze]

I would have to go to a shelter if I heat mine with electricity

[prisma briar]

21kWh has been my heat pump, 16kWh has been my friend's stupid fishtank heaters, 7kWh has been the heater I put in my garage to keep it above freezing, the rest has been TVs and computers and fridges and such

[solar zealot]

meanwhile we surely pay 10x the amount for 1/10 the energy

sucks not having free electricity

[prisma briar]

My rate goes from about $0.08/kWh to $0.12/kWh throughout the year

[clear ferry]

Can't wait to move north to practically free electricity

[glacial knot]

Yea, atx has negative electricity prices every second day

[solar zealot]

ours went down a bit again from .45 to .36/kwh

[tidal bronze]

Idle is not bad at all.

[solar zealot]

but still thats like 3k€ a year for ~7mwh

[clear ferry]

Ours is expensive at $0.16 currently

[tidal bronze]

My baseline might be off lol

[prisma briar]

I probably take twice the power and pay half the price, lol.

[clear ferry]

I'd probably get back to average $0.05 per kwh when I move up north

[prisma briar]

If I went on a time-based plan and did everything off-peak I could probably get my rate down near that

[glacial knot]

what's your kids opinion of movig north btw?

[clear ferry]

One can't talk

[prisma briar]

But the time-based plans have $0.05 power at 2 AM but $0.20 power during the day when I use most of mine so screw that

[glacial knot]

nad the other isn't listened to

[clear ferry]

The other one is fine

Hah

Well, she starts school in the fall, so the timing is perfect

She won't have to change schools / classmates

[clear ferry]

95% do the hour by hour rate, 5% have fixed

[prisma briar]

I could probably make the hourly rate cheaper if I didn't have so much electric heating

But I can't just not run my heat for 8 hours during the high rate times in the middle of winter

[tidal bronze]

Those hourly rates are cheap

[prisma briar]

My power is ran by a cheap-ass coop in an already really cheap area of the country for power

[tidal bronze]

Good for you.

[prisma briar]

ikr

[glacial knot]

as long as they don't run it cheap by skimping on the redundancy in the net D:

[prisma briar]

I get a power outage every few months for a few minutes, and maybe once a year that lasts an hour.

[shadow prawn]

@clear ferry have you calibrated a aqara temperature sensor? (If yes, please help in zigbee, if you may)

[prisma briar]

The power across the street from me was out yesterday because some drunkard drove his truck into a utility pole outside a substation

[tidal bronze]

Here it's 0.25 to 0.31

[prisma briar]

How tf are people supposed to have mostly/fully electric homes with those rates?

[tidal bronze]

Solar offset

[glacial knot]

yea, I want to get one of those solar batteries, even without solar just to have a private buffer 😂

[tidal bronze]

I would not want to live in a place without NG

[prisma briar]

I was trying to come up with a way to have a whole home UPS yesterday, heh

I already have all the electronics in my house on standalone UPSes but I want something to cover lighting too

My solution now is to just have a single light in each room connected to a UPS

[tidal bronze]

Was planning the whole house battery route then went with NG whole house gen

[solar zealot]

are there even multi phase batteries by now

[glacial knot]

What?

[solar zealot]

ones ive seen so far only seem to charge and serve a single phase

[glacial knot]

Batteries themselves are DC
You can get a 3phase inverted rectifier(?? Wechselrichter), but I don't think they are usually installed that way

[solar zealot]

would make sense, the battery part seems to be the most expensive part of such storage things

[glacial knot]

I need to check at my parents place. They recently got solar installed

[ocean oar]

Just convert your whole house to DC and run it directly from the batteries 😄

Telco style; -48V bus bars everywhere

[static schooner]

That's really not a bad idea

Not practical now, but it's the future

[clear ferry]

I have not I've found them to be pretty similar to other sensors in the rooms, so I saw no need

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/familyguy-family-guy-the-jetsons-gif-26978538

[glacial knot]

Fat copper rails to carry 80A or so

[ocean oar]

Well it'd be 108A to run that 5.2kW clothes dryer that @prisma briar has 😉

[shadow prawn]

Mine all show like a +10% too high humidity

[prisma briar]

You're just jealous I get to burn so many dinosaurs.

[blazing musk]

Heat pump ALL THE THINGS

[prisma briar]

oh no, my dryer used 5kW off and on for 30 minutes instead of 500w for 4 hours, such energy waste

[primal laurel]

My dryer uses zero watts

Literally just hang your clothes

[prisma briar]

I don't have a zero watt option to dry, lol

I'd have to get the humidity out somehow if I hung dry clothes

[primal laurel]

Huh

[prisma briar]

Too cold here

I suspect it's too cold for a heatpump dryer to work too

[primal laurel]

You don't have room inside?

[prisma briar]

I have my garage set to 7C

I just spent a ton of effort to move the washer and dryer out of my house, lol

Wait, heatpump dryers just vent the cold side of the pump into the room they're in?

I always assumed that end was outside

[clear ferry]

Oh yes cold

[prisma briar]

Looks like the forecast has gone up like 5C since yesterday

nice

[clear ferry]

Texas people go like "how do you guys still have power?"

But this is only a light half day of snow

[prisma briar]

Texas's power infrastructure literally stops when it gets below freezing

[ocean oar]

The cold side is used to re-condense the water coming out of the clothes, so more you're dumping a bunch of cold water down the drain.

[warm goblet]

Hey Guys Could Anyone Reccomend me Zigbee Arson Devices

I want to Make self Destruct Button For my Smart Home, to Set it on Fire

(disclaimer: sarcasm)

[tidal bronze]

What a disaster that looks like

[clear ferry]

You mean a very low snow level winter? Yeah i agree, should have been 2m

[warm goblet]

it's funny bc we're having a freezeover right now and everyone is panicking about power outages this weekend

[clear ferry]

LOL

[prisma briar]

I can keep my garage at 60F but I'm pretty sure that'd cost more than just having a normal dryer

[tidal bronze]

Sucks to have the outdoors like that for months,

[warm goblet]

is there a way to disable global warming in home assistant so i can keep my texas home at normal temps

[clear ferry]

Hang on, I'll find the picture from my hometown 1997

[prisma briar]

I'd figure Californians would like snow, hides all the needles lining the streets.

[tidal bronze]

lol

[warm goblet]

LMFAOOOO

[clear ferry]

Yeah, shame it is only for 4 months here, i prefer 9 months

[tidal bronze]

Whatelse to do there right?

[warm goblet]

holy shit

is that buffalo ny or some shit

[clear ferry]

No, tromsø Norway

[warm goblet]

ohh i see

[clear ferry]

We usually get 2-3m, that year was 4+

[tidal bronze]

Snow should be a choice. Within 90 minutes of a quick drive.

[warm goblet]

on a serious note, is there a channel here I can ask for reccomendations on smart lights?

[prisma briar]

Lots, actually

[clear ferry]

Thankfully California is a choice though

[tidal bronze]

Is the only!!

[clear ferry]

Only one you don't choose yes

[tidal bronze]

Like I mentioned yesterday. It's not for boys

[prisma briar]

#hardware-archived or #zigbee-archived / #zwave-archived depending on what you have

[warm goblet]

ty

[prisma briar]

I really wish running my new garage heater wasn't so stupidly expensive to maintain 21C with

It was really nice getting into a warm car

[tidal bronze]

Remote start?

[prisma briar]

In an enclosed garage?

[tidal bronze]

Oh you can't leave it outside

[red rock]

Free sauna

[prisma briar]

I can but that sounds even more annoying

[prisma briar]

Also we regularly get hail in the summer here so I'd at least need to build a car port to keep it outside

[ocean oar]

You could get one of those flexible hoses like they have for fire trucks, that fits over the exhaust pipe and vents it outside. When you drive away it just pops off 🙂

[prisma briar]

I could make an automation that opens my garage door when it senses pollutants rising

[warm goblet]

you could have an automation that cracks the garage door open when you remote start

[prisma briar]

That actually might not be a terrible idea in general

[tidal bronze]

No states for your engine?

[warm goblet]

do you have a newer smart car? like onstar or tesla or bluelink

[prisma briar]

I don't have any automation for my car

I don't even have remote start, lol

[warm goblet]

oh fuck

well

[prisma briar]

I have a 11 year old Altima, lol

Been driving it since 2014

My next car will be an EV

If I ever get another car

[warm goblet]

i recently downgraded from a 21' CT5-V

it was such a great car with a great integration with HA

[prisma briar]

I drive so little that ubering would be cheaper than going back into car payments

[warm goblet]

ah that makes sense

[tidal bronze]

Uber FTW

[prisma briar]

The only reason I still have my car now is because it's paid off and costs me less than $1000/year to keep

[ocean oar]

Another thing that's good about living in a not-too-cold climate. Coldest temperature I recorded in the garage this past winter was 1.7°C (35°F), seat heaters are effective enough that it's not really worth bothering with pre-heating

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[prisma briar]

My garage heater is set to 45F

So my cars are always 45F when I get in

Other than a small section of wall my garage is insulated, including insulation I added to the garage door itself

And fixing that one section is on my to-do list, I just need to finish another project first

[warm goblet]

you know something i don't understand is that a lot of modern cities have traffic analysis & smart intersections, so it would be pretty easy for cities to install iot devices that use LTE to send updated traffic data & current light cycle status up and make it accessible for companies through a paid API, and companies like google and apple could integrate that data into their apps to route more efficiently/faster and detour around large blocks of traffic

[prisma briar]

Google and Apple already have that data from your cell phone

They don't need to enter into messy contracts with localities to get it

[warm goblet]

yeah, traffic congestion data

[tidal bronze]

This is rarely real-time

[warm goblet]

but what if google could plan your route so that you never have to stop and wait for long at a light

[prisma briar]

Tragedy of the commons would hit and we'd all go back to waiting as long as we do now

[ocean oar]

Also if there's one person parked on the side of the road having a sandwich, it can mark a section of road as completely blocked

[tidal bronze]

Most traffic data is historical

[warm goblet]

i disagree, apple maps in DFW is very responsive to live traffic changes (on highways only)

[tidal bronze]

Still historical

[prisma briar]

Google still has the current info, they're just not showing it to the user.

[warm goblet]

but also in DFW there are traffic scanners everywhere so apple could be pulling that data

[tidal bronze]

Yep, this

sirius has the most uptodate since they pull from DOT

[warm goblet]

yeah

i was lowkey considering building my own low-cost iot cameras that look at the traffic light and tell me what they are on my common routes so i can avoid them

[prisma briar]

your mom has the most up to date traffic info because she gets around so much

[warm goblet]

the city is built blocky so i can just take a detour to avoid lights

[tidal bronze]

Funny how traffic on NAV maps an Gmaps differ

[warm goblet]

speaking of

my local walmart is offfering drone deliveries now

that's so sick

you can check if yours does too: https://droneupdelivery.com/

[tidal bronze]

Is that ever going to work?

[prisma briar]

I wonder how much drone flyers get paid

[warm goblet]

i have no clue

[tidal bronze]

In what sense or task?

[warm goblet]

but i can't wait to have tons of spare drone parts 🙂

[prisma briar]

In the sense of money in the task of delivering groceries for walmart

[warm goblet]

the droneup drones are semi auto i believe

[alpine harbor]

There are stretches of road with flaky connectivity where Google's realtime traffic data is completely oblivious (there's a nasty bottleneck between LA and LV that turns into an absolute cluster, but Google always thinks its detours are totally "blue" when they are in fact "red/black")

[tidal bronze]

That's automated + supervision.

[prisma briar]

Being a drone delivery driver sounds like such a low-stress job

Right, they had to take a fun job and ruin it.

[warm goblet]

except the drones are pretty big and the blades can seriously injure civillians

[tidal bronze]

Never trust Google on I15

[alpine harbor]

They will have you supervising a quantity of drones sufficient to make you consistently stressed, don't worry

[prisma briar]

If I'm not flying the drone with an fpv headset it's not fun anymore.

[alpine harbor]

Why employ an expensive human brain and not utilize it near 100% while it's on the clock? Those are wasted cycles

[warm goblet]

what about a vr headset paired with a 360* 6DoF camera

[prisma briar]

I feel like not having focus on a drone fixed in one direction would get confusing fast

[warm goblet]

i mean i assume it'd be a position similar to ATC

that's pretty confusing

just requires a quick thinking and flawless head for that

[prisma briar]

Flying a plane sounds fun, running an ATC tower sounds stressful.

[alpine harbor]

The new DJI delivery drones come with a whole fancy fleet management stack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhp11I-vGHA

[tidal bronze]

https://jrupprechtlaw.com/drone-delivery/ pretty long read but most of the delivery stuff is just hype.

[prisma briar]

I'm never getting drone delivery where I am

I'm in between three military bases and two airports, lol

I can't even fly a personal drone here

[warm goblet]

you should try it

i wonder what would happen

[static schooner]

you don't want what military drones deliver

[prisma briar]

FAA would show up, take my drone, and slap me with a multi-thousand dollar fine

[tidal bronze]

They are formulating drone traffic laws now hopefully something good will come of that

[primal laurel]

deal

[warm goblet]

all the drone enthusiasts: 😠

[primal laurel]

but why drones? What's so useful about drones delivering groceries

[warm goblet]

i have no clue

but it's a thing now so i can say i'm living in the future

[warm goblet]

is there a tldr

[tidal bronze]

400ft /vert is not much space when multiple operators start flying

[warm goblet]

fair

[primal laurel]

we have these things:

[prisma briar]

There'd be so much of the year a drone couldn't fly here even if they were allowed to

[tidal bronze]

What are they going to do in Cold regions?

[prisma briar]

Though I kind of want to see what happens to one in a 60mph wind gust

[primal laurel]

I like this company because they're essentially a tech company that sells groceries

[warm goblet]

are those like mini EV delivery trucks

[primal laurel]

yep

[warm goblet]

america would never allow that

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

Truck EV dreams on halt for now.

[warm goblet]

americans are like "if it isn't a manly muscly gas guzzling diesel engine, we don't want it on our roads"

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[warm goblet]

https://tenor.com/Exwy.gif

future

stefan i hate your status, it's confusing

no HAOS lovense integration??

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-the-office-kevin-malone-ashton-kutcher-gif-18188569

[prisma briar]

America goes for gasoline over diesel, get your stereotypes right.

[warm goblet]

my bad

texans*

[primal laurel]

just pretend it's a tesla

[prisma briar]

Assuming all of America is like Texas is like assuming all of Europe is like Greece.

[warm goblet]

i live in texas so it happens

[prisma briar]

No, they're just an embarassing corner.

[tidal bronze]

I'll go EV once you can do LA to Napa without charging

[warm goblet]

i'll go EV once my EV can become boat, car, truck, and plane all at the same time

[prisma briar]

I think EV manufacturers have missed out not making trailers their cars can tow that are nothing but additional batteries

[warm goblet]

well

there's a reason for that

[tidal bronze]

You mean a trailer with a Genie?

[prisma briar]

Or just tow another EV in pair and use it for extra capacity

[warm goblet]

more batteries generally doesn't mean more range

it also means more weight to haul

[prisma briar]

Diminishing returns, yea, but more battery does mean more range.

[warm goblet]

EVs have to have a weight-to-range balance

yes, but the cost would outweigh the benefits

[prisma briar]

Slap a stylized 'T' on it and suckers will buy it up

[warm goblet]

LMFAO

i keep reading your name as netherlands 45

[primal laurel]

better battery chemistry = better range

[prisma briar]

Nope. I'm in Colorado.

[primal laurel]

if you find the secret sauce you could make trillions

[prisma briar]

better battery chemistry = hotter fires too

[warm goblet]

lets just fit small stars into every EV and make a dyson sphere around it

[primal laurel]

not perse

[warm goblet]

i think i just came up with the trillion dollar idea

i'll see you guys on shark tank

[prisma briar]

What good would trapping Peter Dinklage in a vacuum do?

[warm goblet]

LMAOO

do solar panels only capture energy from visible light waves or all sorts of waves (microwaves, x-rays, gammas rays, uv rays)?

[prisma briar]

visible light aligns with the peak intensity from the sun so I think most are targeted to that

[warm goblet]

ah

[primal laurel]

they're not limited to visible light, but that's where the highest efficiency can be reached

[prisma briar]

I think a high efficiency gamma -> electricity converter is one of the holy grails of clean energy

[warm goblet]

make one

then call me if you're a billionare, you can share some with me

[prisma briar]

That might be outside of my skill set

[primal laurel]

if you want to learn more about solar panel physics then I recommend pveducation.org. That's still somewhat comprehensible

[prisma briar]

I don't think I can make an ansible playbook for that

[warm goblet]

i just had a dumb suggestion but i had to ask the question first in order to not embarass myself, turns out it was a good idea to ask first

[prisma briar]

idk if it's fixed now but at one point high energy rays damaging solar panels was one of the primary ways they degraded over time.

[primal laurel]

panel degradation is mainly due to general transistor degradation

panels produced now are so good they could last up to 50 years

[prisma briar]

God I hate the automation editor

Don't remember the name of an automation you want to edit? Lol, you get to scroll through 200 until you find it.

At least it quit bugging out all the time

[static schooner]

YAML, baby

Control your own destiny

[prisma briar]

I should

[warm goblet]

i want json

[prisma briar]

group all my automations by putting them into their own files and including them from a master

[primal laurel]

the automation editor will get folders or groups or labels or whatever at some point

[prisma briar]

I really need to break my configuration.yaml out into multiple files too

[primal laurel]

my goal is to get rid of most YAML

I probably don't need 99% of it

but my install is so old

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dead-body-hansolo-harrisonford-gif-4879957

[prisma briar]

In general I don't like using YAML. I have a ton of groups left over from before they added all the group helpers I keep meaning to move over to proper helpers

If not for the UI I probably wouldn't use HA.

[warm goblet]

once my hass setup is complete i feel like i'm just going to hand-code all my automations using netdaemon

[primal laurel]

I really like helpers

[prisma briar]

I was using custom scripts everywhere logging to/polling influxdb before I moved to HA and was getting along fine

I was just tired of everything being CLI

[warm goblet]

wdym by this?

[prisma briar]

Before I used Home Assistant I had a bunch of mostly Python and C++ scripts I'd written to do things like automate my hvac and control lights/read door sensors

And I logged state changes on things to influxdb

[warm goblet]

oh nice

[prisma briar]

Doing that at the scale that HA's let me do it would have been very time consuming though

I had like a dozen lights, an A/C, a garage door, a half-dozen or so contact sensors, and a dry aging fridge on my old system.

All controlled by Raspberry Pi's and gpio boards hanging off of nearby computers

You can fit an Rpi Zero W, a 120v->5v adapter, two relays, and an outlet in a single gang wall box

Then run a bunch of wires out of the back to contact sensors and such

I thought I had some pictures of it but I guess not

I originally started with all of that before HA was a thing and didn't ever bother to go check for alternatives until I moved at the start of 2022 and decided I wasn't expanding my previous setup to a whole house and needed to redo everything

[warm goblet]

nice

[umbral cliff]

Wouldn't help if lights are the type that trigger based on car detection
Since maps wouldn't route you that way even if it might be faster

[warm goblet]

thats true

[primal laurel]

anyone here working with markdown regularly?

[prisma briar]

wiki markdown or ha jinja?

Oh, I guess the markdown boxes do support normal markdown. I've just always done jinja blocks in them.

[primal laurel]

markdown for git wiki

im trying to find the best way to display a csv file as a markdown table in a github wiki without having to manually convert it every time something changes

[primal laurel]

okay scratch that, markdown is not made for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgbDQQQP6C0

I spotted home assistant

[solar zealot]

not sure but doesnt github also support rst

no idea if that has the tools you need but it should offer some more flexibility

[prisma briar]

Huh, installed a new light fixture in a pantry and it completely blocks zigbee

Even the bulb that was working fine in the previous fixture

But wifi bulbs work fine still

[gritty tendon]

Hi @bright spire , can you dm me regarding the Vodafone Station lib?

[forest edge]

lol -7F and i think one of my garage wifi bulbs just froze out

[clear ferry]

That makes no sense as it is the same spectrum

[distant junco]

Now I'm no RF expert but WiFi signals tend to be more powerful afaik. There's also different channels that are more likely to conflict.

[clear ferry]

Sure, but considering it is a mesh, a lone bulb is very uncommon

And a lot of the channels share the same space, but the fixture itself has to be pretty weirdly designed for it to make this difference

Maybe if it was all metal, grounded and shaped like a lot of overlapping #### and the WiFi router was the floor above right over the fixture

[glacial knot]

There's 800MHz (or was it closer to 900?) Zigbee. But it's incredibly uncommon

[clear ferry]

I also have much longer range on ZigBee than i do on wifi, my mailbox is battery powered poor antenna and is 25m away, I have no WiFi coverage there

[glacial knot]

Wifi could also be on 5GHz (though with cheap bulbs, questionable)
Or just have higher TX power/better RX filters
Wouldn't be surprised if the wifi chips are just built with more shit signal mitigations

[iron granite]

Are you sure you don't mix it up with Z-Wave? 🤔

[glacial knot]

No. Zigbee exists on 2 bands.

[clear ferry]

No, there was sub GHz stuff

But only concept

[glacial knot]

Some devices also use 784 MHz in China, 868 MHz in Europe and 915 MHz in the US and Australia, even those regions and countries still use 2.4 GHz for most commercial Zigbee devices for home use
ah nice. Full spread 😂

[clear ferry]

https://csa-iot.org/newsroom/subghz-reliable-mesh/

The CC1352 has hardware for it, I wanted to play with it

[glacial knot]

good luck finding devices^^

[clear ferry]

You can diy stuff for it probably

[glacial knot]

though I guess it's more like wifi7 exists now? Spec isn't finalized but implemented in probalistic ways

How's your python coming along? 😂

[clear ferry]

cisco did it

I have had two sick kids home for 9 days and I've had a fever of 40 since Thursday, so not great, now only one kid home

So maybe tomorrow

[blazing musk]

I feel you, I got hand, foot, and mouth from my kids right before Christmas.

Nothing to make you feel more like a medieval peasant than boils on your hands...

[clear ferry]

We had that 4 years ago, great fun

[crisp oriole]

Yes i have mpd integration for my roaming raspberry pi

[umbral cliff]

Roaming pi?

[crisp oriole]

Music player for in the park.

[clear ferry]

We had flu in the beginning of December, food poisoning just before Christmas, influenza before new years, coughing the first week of January, fever for a week after that, and now the rest of the story above @blazing musk

Pretty sure one person in the household has been sick since August continuously

[crisp oriole]

It uses a vpn to connect to my system. And plays music to a bluetooth speaker.

So i dont have to give up my phone usage when playing music

[umbral cliff]

Why would you give up your phone usage?
Also wouldn't that mean you have to use your hotspot anyway?

[crisp oriole]

A bluetooth speaker on your phone prevents phone audio usage. Like scrolling facebook.

[umbral cliff]

Wait so are you at the park with friends?

[crisp oriole]

If the weather allows it

So not atm

[red rock]

So wait, you want to both play music in the park and listen to the sounds of facebook videos?

[red rock]

A little snow never stopped anybody

[crisp oriole]

Well i would be in the park for hours. Music in the background and hanging around. I like facebook groups

[clear ferry]

Doesn't translate but I say in Norwegian Fjasbok which basically is _book full of nonsense _

[red rock]

ah

In Hindi you have Bakchod, which means nonsense

which is also a nice word to shout

[glacial knot]

I hope it's pronounced "Facebook"

[clear ferry]

If you pronounce Facebook in Norwegian it would be Feisbuk

Which basically is fartbelly

[iron granite]

Sounds adequate

[clear ferry]

Jesus I've listened to this show so many times, back when standup was still good

https://youtu.be/GHIT2or-F9o?si=Fcq79n3WlElwip4G

[red rock]

What do you miss in current standup s?

Or was this the average level of your daily standup

[clear ferry]

Modern stuff is just repetition of the old stuff, and a lot of it is too afraid to be too offensive, George Carlin was the master, but Leary on drugs was great too

[clear ferry]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGdPE_C9u8

[gleaming crater]

If there’s not a “get a bunch of data in that resembles dates but isn’t” challenge they’re doing it wrong

[clear ferry]

I was totally impressed

I watched the whole first round

Much better than watching shitkids play Minecraft or fortnite

[chilly wind]

since it seems not to fit anywhere else here... is there some dect-ule gateway i could use instead of a Fritzbox?

[gleaming crater]

dect-ule?

[chilly wind]

yes

[red rock]

I know dect

But what's an ule

[gleaming crater]

https://www.dect-ule.com/certification.aspx

Looks like they last certified something in 2018 lol

[red rock]

So it's a synonym for old

[gleaming crater]

It does get it's own spectrum tho which is interesting

But isn't a mesh protocol and needs repeaters to get range

[iron granite]

The only smarthome gateway using DECT-ULE other than the FritzBoxes I know is the Telekom SmartHome Home Base 2

[gleaming crater]

I guess in europe it gets 10mW vs only 4mW in US, that prob didn't help adoption

[clear ferry]

People still use DECT?

Last time I remember using that was 1999

[chilly wind]

Oretty standard for land line phones still

my thermostats are DECT-ULE... went full vendor lockin sadly...

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/whatyearisit-cardiac-gif-22108627

[chilly wind]

Over here you always get a Landline, if you want or not and many people just got some DECT Phone on it.

[solar zealot]

people these days not appreciating a landline phone

[red rock]

If i do VoIP calls and connect my phone via ethernet, does that count as a landline?

[glacial knot]

my internet contract includes a (voip) telephone number
not once have I even considered getting a device for that

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-operator-telephone-1920s-reading-book-gif-12095215

[clear ferry]

Depends where you are, landlines stopped being sold here around 2007 and stopped repaired around 2017, and now all copper is pulled from the ground

[clear ferry]

My parents had one from 2005-2012, we also had one from 2009-2011

[gleaming crater]

Yeah they have a biz here dedicated to pulling old phone and cable wiring off your house

[ocean oar]

I'm pretty sure the copper cable got used as a draw wire to get the fibre through the conduit from the street to our house.
I should really remove all the old phone jacks around the house.

[clear ferry]

Oh we are doing it nationwide

Copper network was powered down 31st of December 2022, and they started pulling it out to recycle it and get rid of poles early 2023

[solar zealot]

Hope I get fiber before 25

They are installing it around our area but no idea if we get it to happen here

[clear ferry]

Not sure about the national coverage now, think it is 85%+ for FTTH

[red rock]

Connect it to the HA voice assistatnt

[ocean oar]

Similar here. They were saying 87% at EOY 2022

[clear ferry]

When I still had VoIP i considered connecting it to a vm with asterisk and if the number was in a blacklist it would be sent to a mp3 of screeching monkeys

[ocean oar]

I still have a voip phone at home, that's connected to the system at work. Good for those times you need to call vendors in weird countries, not much else.

It's an older Panasonic DECT VoIP phone with a PoE base station. Actually quite swish design, for what it is

[clear ferry]

I have VoIP in teams

With a routable number

[ocean oar]

I think that's this year's project for us. Then that ugly legacy SIP VoIP system can finally go away and stop being my problem

I generally try and stay out of the MS products wherever possible 😄

[fresh fox]

My first Voice Assistant was an analog phone connected to a VoIP box i actually paid money for. Totally worth it! ❤️ https://www.facebook.com/groups/HomeAssistant/permalink/3495386990732646/

[prisma briar]

Still going to have different signal intensities and different symbols

IME Zigbee is way easier to block or accidentally jam than wifi is

I had a wireless mouse that would knock out all Zigbee devices in a 5m radius when it was on

The fixture has a foil sheet on the top presumably to reflect light back down to the ground that I think is causing issues

[clear ferry]

Interesting, I haven't managed to kill the connection to any Ziggy in my house ever

[prisma briar]

That mouse would also cause issues with nearby bluetooth devices or video game controllers but not wifi

My door sensor in my mailbox keeps freezing and killing the battery :(

Just replaced it two weeks ago, already dead

I'm tempted to trench a power line out into my yard. I could replace all my crappy solar powered lights with hard wired lights and run a wire to an esp32 or something with a contact sensor for the mailbox

[clear ferry]

My mailbox sensor lasts well over a year

-23 outside now

[prisma briar]

What one do you have?

[clear ferry]

-27 later tonight

[prisma briar]

Mine uses these tiny-ass lithium cells that can't maintain current below -10 or so

[clear ferry]

https://www.aqara.com/eu/product/door-and-window-sensor/

1620 batteries

[prisma briar]

I think mine uses 2450's

[gleaming crater]

I don’t know who Rosalinda R. Raccoon is but someone pained a picture of her and hung it on the bathroom door at work

[forest edge]

what kind of nerdy shit is that rotf

[clear ferry]

I actually found it entertaining

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[forest edge]

must be what data entry workers talk about around the water cooler

[untold tundra]

can openplc(or like) be used with home assistant

[solar zealot]

check out the integrations page https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations
if nothing is listed there, maybe it can be acquired through hacs

[dawn moth]

Could someone help me understand this

I'm trying to setup a 3 way switch with this relay

I've only got one travel wire

In the current configuration I have white neutrals (for the load and main) coming in, hot black input 120v AC and the black output load/light

This allows me to toggle the light via HA

Now I want to re implement my three way switches

There's a switch upstairs (supplying the mains power)

[iron granite]

The blank wires should not look out of the device. That might short under some circumstances

[dawn moth]

I'm testing was gonna fix all that

[dawn moth]

This heads down to the junction with the relay

That's where the downstairs switch used to be

So how do I tap into those s1 and s2 terminals?

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/cC1CqyCN9Q0?si=BdPSjW4bJFmweLqP

[night zodiac]

https://tenor.com/Hbvh.gif

[iron granite]

One should be the wire formerly going from the grid to your switches and the other one formerly going from the switches to the light.

[dawn moth]

So this?

[iron granite]

No

[prisma briar]

I like how you got eraser marks on a digital image

[dawn moth]

I actually didn't make it

Some fella In a electrical Discord did.. more so seems to want to debate why I'm even trying to implement an iot device in the first place

[prisma briar]

You'd want either end of your spdt switches to go to s1 and s2, whenever the connection between s1 and s2 changes state the sonoff switch will toggle L Out's state.

[dawn moth]

That's what I was thinking in basic terms

But I'm struggling to imagine the wiring

I've got one red travel wire from the 2nd switch upstairs and that's it.. so I have to adapt something

[prisma briar]

Here's their official wiring diagram

If you only want one switch then just one terminal on the switch goes to s1 and the other terminal goes to s2.

[dawn moth]

I want two

But I've only got one travel wire

I'm assuming I connect that to my toggle switch terminal downstairs

And then I've gotta complete the circuit with a second travel wire?

[prisma briar]

Normally a switch is wired from load -> switch -> appliance, with the zbmini you want it wired zbmini -> switch -> zbmini

Which is why none of my zbmini's actually have the switch wired up, heh

[dawn moth]

Couldn't I just use the two white neutrals

One from the load and the other from the switch upstairs

Tie those together

And branch it out

One lead to the zigbee mini

[prisma briar]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I'd suggest trying to find a friend who knows more to come over and help you if you're uncertain.

[dawn moth]

And the other to my switch

[prisma briar]

It's not great to DIY this stuff if you're entirely unfamiliar with house wiring.

[dawn moth]

I've got no one 🤣

[dawn moth]

I'm familiar with it

I'm just not familiar with this particular scenario

[prisma briar]

Basically for the zbmini the switch should be taken entirely out of your mains circuit, it's only wired to the zbmini.

[dawn moth]

This is the switch upstairs

I've confirmed that the red is a traveler to the downstairs switch (zbmini junction)

And one of the blacks is a hot from the mains

Being carried down stairs

Before I cut them, the left switch is the one in question

This is the downstairs switch

Top right black is the mains hot

Red is the traveler

And the bottom right black is my loads common

Basic three way for a house

Now we've changed to this

The neutrals white are the load and switch upstairs.

And the one black is the hot mains line coming in from the switch upstairs

And the black hot output is heading to the light/load

The wire to the left is my travel

So since the travel carries no current I know I should be putting it on my switch downstairs where the zigbeemini is located

I can run an additional black wire from the bottom terminal on my switch to the s1 terminal on the zigbeemini

But I'm needing another travel wire to complete the parallel circuit

So what do I do from here?

If I should be relying on the zigmini to provide low current to the switches

[dawn moth]

Then using the traditional hot that's coming from the upstairs switch that's currently powering the zigmini is out of the question correct?

So the last idea I can come up with is using the neutrals to make a "virtual" travel wire to the upstairs switch?

Unless I only need the one travel line

[prisma briar]

Personally I'd get rid of the switches, wire the zbmini up to your device, and get Zigbee switches to control it over HA.

[dawn moth]

Those are pricey

[prisma briar]

yea but I hate running wires, lol.

[dawn moth]

Not to mention I don't want battery operated appliances

[dawn moth]

Understandable, ahaha it drives me crazy too

[prisma briar]

None of my wiring is 'smart home' friendly, I could do so much more if I just had neutral running to my switch boxes

[gleaming crater]

I thought all the inovelli and zooz stuff worked no neutral

You just need a bypass if you're running a very low wattage led fixture off it

[prisma briar]

I'm not sure how those would work replacing a three-way switch though

[gleaming crater]

Depends on the brand

Some will sell a 'dumb' 2nd switch

But you can also bind switches in zwave/zigbee so be mirror of each other

And just delete the traveler all together

That's what I did with my inovelli

I have a stairwell with a master load switch and 2 other slaves, I just z-wave bound them to mirror state and they work even when HA is down

[dawn moth]

I wish I could just replace everything with ge zigbee smart switches

They have 3way ones with a "slave" switch addon

[gleaming crater]

I wanted full smart switch for the light bar notifications

But you can actually keep a dumb switch in the 2nd box and wire it up to most smart switches even

[dawn moth]

I've got one and I'm really pleased with it.. but paying 30-60 bucks a switch gets pricey when doing the whole house

[gleaming crater]

Oh for sure, I splurged when I moved into this house to do them all

[prisma briar]

Yea, I bought as few as I could and did as much automation as I could with cheaper door and presence sensors

[dawn moth]

Does it work? Like if the dumb switch is toggles will the 3 way smart switch still function as expected?

[prisma briar]

I have 8 zigbee dimmers around, they're all battery powered

[dawn moth]

When we move here I think I'm willing to splurge too 🤭

I'm too impressed with these ones from ge

[gleaming crater]

Tho we verging into #hardware-archived for sure lol

[prisma briar]

https://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pages/StandAloneControls/Dimmers-Switches/SmartBulbDimmer/overview.aspx these are the ones I got

I smashed one by accident while moving furniture but other than that they've been fine

[dawn moth]

My house at least has neutral

But who knows when ya move

[gleaming crater]

Also neutral doesn't matter if you have a smart bulb in the fixture

It'll always be on

[prisma briar]

If he's using a zbmini he probably doesn't have a smart bulb

[dawn moth]

I'm trying to avoid smart bulbs

Even though that's the only zigbee device stores seem to sell local to me

[prisma briar]

Home Depot here has a small selection of Zigbee switches but they're all really overpriced

Like $100 for a switch

[dawn moth]

I like the in wall relays because they can be super cheap bulk and off brand

[gleaming crater]

Isn't inovelli like 60-70?

[prisma briar]

The zbminis are nice because they can do other things too

[dawn moth]

My homedepot doesn't even have em

[prisma briar]

I have my bathroom exhaust fans and ceiling fans all controlled by zbminis

[dawn moth]

I'm using one currently as a power cut off for my wyze video doorbell

[prisma briar]

My doorbell is wired to the S1/S2 on a zbmini and I look for a state change on it to send a notification that my doorbell has been pressed