plugins-dev-chat

[thin shuttle]

There a reason why game use triangle for render

[upper vapor]

no you can't

[celest thorn]

I LOVE YOU

YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND

OH MY GOD

[upper vapor]

why are you not thinking please

[topaz yacht]

Would triangle primitives even be used much

[vast canopy]

U guess every time u r ending discussion about triangle someone gonna start it again

[celest thorn]

do you know what model are composed?

[vast canopy]

Endless loop

[celest thorn]

of triangles

[teal junco]

I understand triangles are the basic 3d unit

[gilded thicket]

SON 😭 😭 😭 😭

[upper vapor]

if you get a triangle with each side having the same length
that doesn't let you create any model

[teal junco]

I just am pretty sure

you cant create arbitrary mesh with tri

[thin shuttle]

Just let it have a property? Like size ?

[twilit summit]

youre always negative

[thin shuttle]

Isn't that simple ?

[teal junco]

Also zerotwo said "who said anything about mesh"

so it confused me

[celest thorn]

nah we are too inteligent

for them

[upper vapor]

okay

so

[teal junco]

I think I remember this channel being a chill place

[terse bone]

and store 3 heights or what?

[upper vapor]

@celest thorn and @thin shuttle tell me how you turn a specific triangle into ANY triangle

[halcyon folio]

Probably the most pointless discussion I've seen

[upper vapor]

like how do you get from A to B

[upper vapor]

you might be right

[gilded thicket]

🤦‍♂️ its cuz they dont use pythagore

[celest thorn]

what???? bro its THE SAME AS A QUAD

[gilded thicket]

i learn it today in school

[vast canopy]

Thats not 90 triangle

[teal junco]

Probably, I just dont see it being well optimized by northwood

[celest thorn]

So a quad for your theory doesn't exist????

[vast canopy]

They were talking about 90 i guess

[celest thorn]

its the exact same way that a quad exist

[upper vapor]

yes it is

[sinful bronze]

just insert 3D graphics editor inside unity edtior ahh

[celest thorn]

but just a triangle

[sinful bronze]

so easy

[gilded thicket]

they should add me into the game

@northwood

any northwood employee here?

[sinful bronze]

john northwood

[halcyon folio]

@upper vapor

^ talk to him

[teal junco]

also mesh made of individual triangle objects sounds like shit on pcs

[halcyon folio]

hehe

[upper vapor]

@celest thorn give me a transformation matrix that turns an equilateral triangle into a triangle with sides 4, 6, 8

[gilded thicket]

this sound liek a chatgpt prompt

[halcyon folio]

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

[celest thorn]

a triangle isn't composed of 3 angles???????

[upper vapor]

lmao

[upper vapor]

what is this question

how do you

[halcyon folio]

A triangle has 3 angles

[upper vapor]

convert a specific triangle

into ANY triangle

[sinful bronze]

axwabo can only add you inside labapi

and it sounds like a hell of a torment...

[upper vapor]

simply by rotating, scaling and positioning it

[twilit summit]

so guys hows the triangle

[halcyon folio]

What's the experience like?

[celest thorn]

Why tf are you adding other triangles in the game

[teal junco]

Maybe with parent scaling it might work

[celest thorn]

im just SAYING a PLANE TRIANGLE

[upper vapor]

to make any model???????

like

omg

[gilded thicket]

oh brother

[upper vapor]

okay but then show me how

[celest thorn]

THIS

[teal junco]

what is a plane triangle

[gilded thicket]

yeah

[sinful bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013536816017715290/1284509672329711727/attachment.gif

[twilit summit]

triangle that flies

[halcyon folio]

plain*?

[teal junco]

I dont know im just saying its something to consider

[upper vapor]

that's a triangle, crazy
and how do you make any model with that? you don't

[halcyon folio]

Not so happy employees

[celest thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlEkuwrdfg

[upper vapor]

@celest thorn please come back when you have this figured out

[gilded thicket]

how to converrt to 90 degrees

[upper vapor]

blender in unity
are we fr right now

[gilded thicket]

if u want to make a cube

[celest thorn]

yes but what if i don't want to have the other side????

intelligence?

[gilded thicket]

w ragebait

[teal junco]

@celest thorn How do you transform an equilateral triangle to another arbitrary triangle just by scaling it inside Unity?

[gilded thicket]

u got this whole chat

even had me stop trolling

[celest thorn]

Why you guys are fucking talking about other shapes????

[teal junco]

is what axwabo asked

[upper vapor]

this is what i've wanted to figure out for months 😭

[celest thorn]

like who tf threw that

[upper vapor]

you say you can make any model with a triangle

then you say

"why do you want that"

[teal junco]

Have you been working on the problem for a while

[upper vapor]

i've been thinking about it but i haven't actually explored it

[celest thorn]

You understand something between a joke and something realistic??

im saying that is impossible but still funny if it would be

[upper vapor]

so what are we trying to achieve

you want a triangle

[celest thorn]

but the point is all of the shapes are there

[upper vapor]

and nothing more

[celest thorn]

just a triangle missing

[sinful bronze]

triangle exist in unity btw

[upper vapor]

we're not ahead by a lot then

[celest thorn]

triangle would add possibility to make more precise shapes and stuff

[sinful bronze]

but as 2d primitive

[celest thorn]

Finally

take THAT

and put it on the game

[sinful bronze]

we must make sl 2d game

[teal junco]

I dont understand why planes are 10x the size of quads and have worse topology

[sinful bronze]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.5/Documentation/Manual/PrimitiveObjects.html

[celest thorn]

just resize them who cares

[vast canopy]

Place triangle via texttoy

[sinful bronze]

Planes are useful for most flat surfaces, such as floors and walls. You can use a plane to show special effects and images or movies in GUI, but it might be easier to use a quad primitive.

tldr

[teal junco]

I mean yeah iknow its just kinda weird to me why its just objectively worse

[sinful bronze]

plane just

[gilded thicket]

yo

guys

[sinful bronze]

quad

[teal junco]

Does the additional geometry help something

[gilded thicket]

my teammates went 2-6 and 0-7 in brawl

pls help

[gilded thicket]

yes

dawg

[teal junco]

Okay

[teal junco]

what

[upper vapor]

"you" wrote this

[sinful bronze]

you

[teal junco]

I saw that in a minecraft vid

[celest thorn]

because triangle CAN actually make shapes but its impossible in SL because its too many primitives

[gilded thicket]

have u ever played Sl w ur life on the line?

[teal junco]

But I know it wouldnt be possible in SL because itd tank prrformance

[celest thorn]

yes but thats done with a shader and has no collisions

[twilit summit]

havent we all

[celest thorn]

how?

[teal junco]

Amongus?

Yes

[upper vapor]

i'm done

[sinful bronze]

ZeroTwo Behind The Triangle

[gilded thicket]

hey did u use to have a different username

[twilit summit]

answer the mans question

[celest thorn]

its not too hard of a concept to understand that all of the shape exist on the game

and triangle are useful too

[teal junco]

Bark bark bark

[celest thorn]

why then we have planes

??

they are useless

lets remove them

[twilit summit]

furry

[upper vapor]

useful but not nearly to the extent of what you originally portrayed it

[sinful bronze]

^

[upper vapor]

meow

[sinful bronze]

meow

[gilded thicket]

what does colts new gadget do

[twilit summit]

stop meowing :(

[celest thorn]

Im just saying that is a possibility but its impossible because of the amount of primitives it would require

[thin shuttle]

Plane = Quad with more triangle and a different default size/rotation

[upper vapor]

nuh uh

[terse bone]

meow

[upper vapor]

#plugins-dev-chat message

[celest thorn]

but they are and its a fact that they are the base for computer graphics

[gilded thicket]

helloooo

[celest thorn]

and its not that complex to understand why they would be useful

[teal junco]

Hey

[celest thorn]

even for doing a model like so simple as mario could be possible

[teal junco]

did I ever tell you

I added laser eyes to SCP SL

[upper vapor]

yes they are but not very useful if you can't change the vertices

[celest thorn]

i saw that

[twilit summit]

what?

[thin shuttle]

You can modify Scale and have an other property on the primitive to modify one of the 3 angle that enough

[teal junco]

Hm gues not

[twilit summit]

im confused

[upper vapor]

that's not a primitive anymore

[twilit summit]

have we met before

[thin shuttle]

Can't we change vertice ?

[gilded thicket]

damnnn they nerfed colt to the ground

[thin shuttle]

And i kinda disagree it's would still be good even without modifying them

[gilded thicket]

no

Hi

[twilit summit]

Hello

[thin shuttle]

And even without doing that triangle would help in a lot of situations that can't be fill by circle or square

[upper vapor]

yes it would be useful, but not to the extent zer0 originally opened an issue with

[thin shuttle]

If we can change vertices idk how that work

That would be to the extent of zer0 two

[upper vapor]

you get a singular triangle
you can rotate it, scale it, position it
that's it for the primitive

[thin shuttle]

Can't we have an other argument like color ?

To modify one of the 3 angle ?

[upper vapor]

that would mean we need a subclass
not impossible
but like
at this point, it would make sense to add support for 3D models

[gilded thicket]

when am i getting added to sl?

i asked a while ago

[upper vapor]

pay $1000000 patreon

[unique crane]

If you pay that amount we will add whatever the fuck you want to the game

[gilded thicket]

say wallah?

[twilit summit]

sex update when

[unique crane]

Yeah uh except that

[twilit summit]

yeah thats fair

[unique crane]

But except for that!

Anything else

[twilit summit]

fortnite's building system

[unique crane]

You can do that via plugins tbh

[twilit summit]

yeah thats fair actually

ill do that someday

[thin shuttle]

i have seen a lot of Subclass but why would it be needed ?

[unique crane]

Custom meshes is something that is not planned as of now

[gilded thicket]

i have

a while ago

[thin shuttle]

yeah but why custom subclass is required ?

[gilded thicket]

because other primitive admintoy dont have

[thin shuttle]

with triangle we could make Mario64

:3

[upper vapor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nvAiVnGOIvk

[upper vapor]

Because you wouldn't change the angle of a sphere

[restive turret]

tbh even if zou have the cube zou cant deform one of the vertecies either

[twilit summit]

am i really this unoriginal

[upper vapor]

Exactly

[upper vapor]

Maybe

[thin shuttle]

we are talking about Triangle not sphere ?

[upper vapor]

Yeah, for a customizable triangle we would need another class

[gilded thicket]

copyright

i made this a long time ago

im suing

[upper vapor]

I'll see you in court

[gilded thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472407264700006420/1060710214086701126/get_realistic.mp4?ex=6697b31e&is=6696619e&hm=a3ad444138392558bc1ee5c3ad07234873b82ee5afcb58c9c7e6a8c819264c5b&

[thin shuttle]

can't it just be inherited by normal primtive ?

[restive turret]

i mean idk its added in internal tracking, whatever gonna happen to it will happen, u prob going to get seen when i change the label to either "approved" or "denied"

As I even experimented with custom meshes at runtime but that not planned to for now and many people have to approve it

[gilded thicket]

ignore the wall snap i couldnt be bothered to fix it

[upper vapor]

This looks newer than mine

[twilit summit]

it does icl

[upper vapor]

Though it is cooler

[gilded thicket]

idk when i amde it it was right after 11.0

or when primitives were added

ill check

jan 2023

[restive turret]

so even if triangle added you cant deform but you can still do the exact same thing as the other primitves

ie: scale, color

[gilded thicket]

yes that was zerotwos argmenet

yeah urs is older 😢

my patent claim is failed

[restive turret]

someone talked about deforming it which cant be done even in normal primitve since it caches the mesh and reuse that

[thin shuttle]

but mesh is a single color ?

[restive turret]

what

[gilded thicket]

son

[thin shuttle]

on Primitive

mesh it's just a single color

it's not like complexe mesh

[restive turret]

no that a material color

Meshes are cached after client connected.
PrimitiveObjectToy.Init or the PrimitiveTypeToMesh field

[cyan crown]

☠️

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163480570827919501/1466152020758233108/image.png?ex=697bb3f9&is=697a6279&hm=1f6c4bd05e7c759cfd1ff1db23f14c1bc79fa02d2538628387f53fc7ad62e4e6&

i have an question

how mush cost it is to create a Mesh ?

[teal junco]

When rich dude buys out SL, makes it his own, and ruins it

[upper vapor]

Not very ideal to do every frame

I have a game that generates hundreds of meshes, totaling well over a million vertices

The overhead is creating them, which can be done as it's loading

[thin shuttle]

i mean usually you need it only once when you spawn it

[upper vapor]

Then the performance is great, not sure about hdrp

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[thin shuttle]

And idc if it's required to be modified to be unspawn and respawn

That wouldn't be very needed

[gilded thicket]

ideally just computing power, no money

[upper vapor]

You need money for the electricity bill

[gilded thicket]

ideally

[upper vapor]

Yeah

If only saltman & his buddies weren't making overly complicated statistical machines

[gilded thicket]

Its ok just profit off them now that the company isnt making money off it

500$ free gemini credit 🤑

[cyan crown]

hdrp

[autumn nebula]

H

[next jungle]

trying to test stuff with 2 clients, how can i bypass like the "only one player instance" kick?
im betting there is a flag for it but i cant find it

nevermind found it

[next jungle]

sadly it doesnt seem to work 😔

[upper vapor]

sad

[unique crane]

Its in gameplay_config

Something like allow_multiple_accounts

or similar

[upper vapor]

allow_same_account_joining

Perhaps

[static meteor]

Discord auth

[upper vapor]

No need for that

You can just launch the exe

(They already had the 2nd client)

[next jungle]

ye its same_account_joining

[next jungle]

its like real weird tho, it should work on paper but it doesnt

OnSendingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel ScpChat
OnSendingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel ScpChat
OnSendingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel ScpChat
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel None
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel None
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (619), on channel None
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (620), on channel Proximity
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (620), on channel Proximity
OnReceivingVoiceMessage called for player koxx12 (620), on channel Proximity

its as if the value is being reset by something else, maybe plugin conflict?

[static meteor]

Do you have cedmod?

[next jungle]

nope

[static meteor]

idk then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next jungle]

it could be in theory exiled as i do have it for like one thing i didnt bother rewriting yet

[upper vapor]

Did you also change th3 channel in the receiving event?

[next jungle]

i mean based on what im looking at i shouldnt need too for what im testing

it should just mute both players rn

and if that works i can start messing around with the other one

BRUH

I SEE THE ISSUE

crazy stuff

[static meteor]

Patch time

[next jungle]

✅

writing IL for this is gonna be so ass, its like so awkwardly placed

[halcyon folio]

Welcome to plugin development

[next jungle]

real

compared to bytecode that I'm used to c#'s IL is much more strict

[worn gull]

Prefix

[next jungle]

yea lemmie do a prefix in the middle of a function

[soft depot]

nah he means make a bool prefix, then copy paste the entire methods with the modifications you want and just return false

yo I'm red now

[next jungle]

ik but i dont really like that solution

[hearty shard]

yo im not red

[soft depot]

I would hate to imagine what debugging forgiving IL would be like

[soft depot]

transpilers are pretty easy once you get used to them

[next jungle]

ik I'm just not really used to them

and IL opcodes

[soft depot]

all you're trying to do is change the ldloc for voiceChatChannel to getting the property off the event args right?

[next jungle]

it just allowed me to get away with more stupid stuff without running in to crashes

[next jungle]

yup, gotta grab msg to stack and get the fields

[soft depot]

funnily enough you can store improper references inside of properties

[soft depot]

nah it should be a property which is a callvirt on the instance of the event args to the getter method for said property

[next jungle]

that I managed to piece together based on some other IL I looked at

[soft depot]

here I made a mockup of the transpiler for funsies:

        public static IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> Transpiler(IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> instructions)
        {
            List<CodeInstruction> newInstructions = ListPool<CodeInstruction>.Shared.Rent(instructions);

            int index = newInstructions.FindLastIndex(x => x.opcode == OpCodes.Ldloc_1);

            newInstructions.RemoveAt(index);
            newInstructions.InsertRange(index, [
                new(OpCodes.Ldarg_1),
                new(OpCodes.Ldfld, AccessTools.Field(typeof(VoiceMessage), nameof(VoiceMessage.Channel)))
            ]);

            for (int z = 0; z < newInstructions.Count; z++)
                yield return newInstructions[z];

            ListPool<CodeInstruction>.Shared.Return(newInstructions);
        }

It should work, it might not though lol. Do keep in mind there are many ways to do harmony patches, this is just the way I learned them (and what Exiled does) but there are other tools like CodeMatcher n stuff. I also made sure not to use Exiled features like Exileds ListPool (I used NW's one)

[slate flume]

I mean I enjoy it

Transpilers are dope

[slate flume]

That seems wrong
msg = playerSendingVoiceMessageEventArgs.Message means the correct channel should be stored in a local
Really all you have to do is change the local index for the ldloc used to load voiceChatChannel to the right one, no extra IL necessary

[slate flume]

I never hard code local indexes with my transpilers, it helps prevent them from breaking every other update
Also, don't sleep on CodeMatcher
I learned it and I feel it's much better than just working with the instructions manually

[slate flume]

You should tell that to Cedric

[atomic ocean]

how to fix Could not update server data on server list - Automatic verification failed - Unable to get valid response from server: ConnectionFailed

[mild ice]

Looks like your server isn't accessible, if you need help setting it up take a look at #technical-support

[atomic ocean]

and what

there is nothing how to setup it

[atomic ocean]

can it be beacouse i setted port 7777?

[mild ice]

Unlikely

[atomic ocean]

so how do i know my port

[true cedar]

i cant do transpilers without codematchers anymore

blows my mind that people don't use them

[mild ice]

It defaults to 7777, unless you set it otherwise!
As I said before, if you need server setup help take a look at #technical-support, they'll be able to help better than I can

[true cedar]

the way that harmony implemented them kinda fucking sucks (can u tell i dont like the dev of harmony)

but they're still wayyyy better than the "traditional" approach

[slate flume]

I do also think it's missing features, especially with the CodeMatch Class and the lack of versatility with the pre-existing parameters
Like I don't think you can even do something like CodeMatch.LoadsLocal(int index)

I'm interested to hear what issues you have with the Harmony dev, I don't know much about that kinda stuff

[slate flume]

And yeah I agree, the gripes I have with it are only that it doesn't have further abstractions, it's an improvement on manually working with the code instructions in almost every way

Still pmo that CodeMatcher.Pos is a private field, there should be some accessible setter for it that uses absolute position and not relative

Low-key thinking about making extension methods for it in my project

[true cedar]

theres some really weird behavior thats not documented as well as it should

MatchEnd or whatever its called puts the position at the last matched element and not the actual end

ig it kinda makes sense but at the same time it's inconvenient as hell

[slate flume]

Yeah that was something I noticed when I decompiled the code it's very strange

It means that when running CodeMatches for one IL instruction (which is like 99% of cases), the only difference between MarchStart and MatchEnd is that MatchEnd is slightly less performative

[upper vapor]

Bytecode

Are you saying you write bytecode

[warped prairie]

I wish to one day reach the level of code proficiency where I can understand what any of this means 🥲

[upper vapor]

There really is no reason to use a list pool when patching

[upper vapor]

It's j*va

[warped prairie]

I’m learning Java rn for class. Just intro to it tho.

[upper vapor]

Ppl try to talk about plugins in plugin dev chat challenge

[upper vapor]

I wish you the least suffering

(If you're learning old Java then you're cooked)

[warped prairie]

Intro classes are crazy easy to me bc I know how most stuff works intuitively but like the actual language idk much about

[upper vapor]

Yeah

Java has some cool features (eg. their enums) but in most cases I consider c# superior

Streams (for collections) are weird

[warped prairie]

I love c#. I really only know it roughly in the sense of SL but been trying to touch more outside of it like making simple .Net web apps

[upper vapor]

ASP.NET for REST APIs >>>>>

[warped prairie]

I have yet to understand streams. I haven’t touched file streams yet but by the looks of it Java has some like buffer layer thing idk

[upper vapor]

Blazor is nice depending on who you ask

[upper vapor]

Streams are like LINQ for IEnumerable (but worse)

[warped prairie]

Speaking of. What are these things people talk of like Blazor Or ASP etc. are they just APIs for making web apps easier?

[upper vapor]

Not to mention bullshit method placements like Arrays.asList and Collectors.toList

[warped prairie]

I see

As long as I don’t have to do too too much memalloc I’m chill. Idk why but I never got it right when I did memalloc in c++

[upper vapor]

Blazor is a framework to make web apps (frontend, and also backend if you use Blazor Server)
ASP.NET Core in general covers web development, be it frontend or backend or both

[warped prairie]

I was decent in c++ but my prof had me wrapped around his prebuilt framework that I wanted to break out of

[upper vapor]

Java has GC so you don't worry about that
Everything is an object (there are no structs)

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[warped prairie]

I see. So basically just like diffrent frameworks that you use to create your web apps.

Neat

[upper vapor]

Eh, pretty much

You can use Blazor Wasm for client-only stuff
Blazor server is better for real-time applications, like a server monitor dashboard

[warped prairie]

Ahh cool. I’ve never really made web apps outside of like 50% vibe code and teaching myself how it works enough to fix bugs but never really got into the meat of it

[upper vapor]

Yeah I'm

Um

Frontend is uhhhh

Not very pleasant sometimes

[warped prairie]

Is it ?

[upper vapor]

Slejm could tell you how much he hates frontend

[warped prairie]

lol

[static meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-cat-death-gif-13407397251537098697

[upper vapor]

Especially if you get into the js framework rabbithole

[warped prairie]

I don’t wish to touch js or at least wait as long as I can before I do. I’ve heard things

Evil things

[upper vapor]

Did you know that Claude code is using react to render its ui which is then converted to ansi escape sequences and text?

[upper vapor]

🙏

The windows 11 start menu is react native

Discord is built with react

And after all this time, react still sucks xd

[warped prairie]

Didn’t react like not so long ago have like a massive network vulnerability that just like let you run ambiguous code server side?

I saw a video taking about something along those lines

Regardless. It’s 1am I gotta go . I have much to learn still from you all very knowledgeable individuals.

Ty

[upper vapor]

Yeah

Welcome to javascript

[upper vapor]

Np

[restive turret]

I do my best to take everyone away from JavaScript on server

And yes i hate frontend

[upper vapor]

W

[celest thorn]

just a question, does the 2 Client instance work? because im using steam client and then opening a console and opening it with arguments -fdiscord

i remember this used to work

[upper vapor]

you can just run the exe

[celest thorn]

im doing that...

I ran one instance on steam

and the other one i open the prompt and go SCPSL.exe -fdiscord

[upper vapor]

no need for -fdiscord

you can literally just double click the exe

[celest thorn]

yea but if i need to connect to a server i cannot use same instance

because of the db

[upper vapor]

you can

ohhhhh

database

right

well yeah

[celest thorn]

i solved in a far funnier way

[next jungle]

used to

[next jungle]

my condolences

[next jungle]

pretty much the same as LINQ

[upper vapor]

what the fuck

[upper vapor]

yeah but like

ugh

LINQ is just cleaner imo

[next jungle]

yea i dont recommend it either

[rustic pecan]

Is it possible to add a specific interaction for a custom role?
The idea of custom role's interaction is the same as skelly's interaction with ragdolls.

[upper vapor]

you can't use base-game abilities unless your role is actually the role that has the ability

[thin shuttle]

-fdiscord should work

and it's permit you to have different userid

so it's always better

for testing

[thin shuttle]

that was possible before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872170439491850370.webp?size=48&name=trol&lossless=true

when code was spaghettie

[rustic pecan]

Okaaay...
But is possible to code: if the player looks at a ragdoll and holds a button for 5 seconds then he becomes disguised?

[thin shuttle]

Hold a button of noclip no

because it's a single send message

you can use InteractableToy

[upper vapor]

i guess

[thin shuttle]

and make it that the Interactable toy is Parent of the NetIdentity of the Ragdoll

[upper vapor]

as yamato said, interactable toy
or you make an SSSS keybind

[thin shuttle]

because Ragdoll arent sync between server client after it's got spawned

[thin shuttle]

SSSS is very bad for ragdoll because of what i said above

Ragdoll can be very far

between client and server

[upper vapor]

??

you parent the ragdoll to the toy?

interesting idea

[thin shuttle]

you can since the Ragdoll have NetIdentity right ?

actually i was more thinging in the InteractableToy being the children

but both would probably work fine ?

[celest thorn]

I honestly forgot but can you remove npcs from the player list?

[upper vapor]

isn't there like a base game way now

[celest thorn]

no?

[upper vapor]

something that doesn't involve changing the uhhh

the id

[celest thorn]

idk

like thats why im asking

                        Timing.CallDelayed(1f, () =>
                        {
                            CurrentSCP079.ReferenceHub.authManager.UserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
                            CurrentSCP079.ReferenceHub.authManager.SyncedUserId = PlayerAuthenticationManager.DedicatedId;
                            CurrentSCP079.ReferenceHub.authManager.InstanceMode = ClientInstanceMode.DedicatedServer;
                            NetworkServer.Respawn(CurrentSCP079.NetworkIdentity);
                        });

Im doing this but nothing works lol

[restive turret]

Not "npc" but you can with dummy

[celest thorn]

im saying with dummies

npc, dummies same thing

[restive turret]

Inside serverrole

[restive turret]

No

[upper vapor]

ServerRoles.HideFromPlayerList

[celest thorn]

CurrentSCP079.ReferenceHub.serverRoles.NetworkHideFromPlayerList = true;

so like this?

[restive turret]

This specifically used only for dummies, you cannot do with players or your faked dedicated server

[upper vapor]

Ah

Well that sucks

[restive turret]

Use normal dummy

[upper vapor]

use normal, dummy

[next jungle]

callvirt my beloved

[upper vapor]

CodeInstruction.Call

[next jungle]

i dont think toString is not virtual

[upper vapor]

also structs are a bit quirky when you have to call methods

did you have a look at the decompiled code? that helps a lot in figuring out what was the issue

you wanna tostring VoiceMessage?

pretty sure you have to load the struct's address instead of the object itself

[next jungle]

yup, trying to figure out why it still none

[upper vapor]

e.g. ldflda instead of ldfld

[next jungle]

:dread:

aight

[upper vapor]

ldarga, ldloca

i usually just write a helper method to do my logic/behavior and call that

[next jungle]

hmm im adding stuff after its derefd so that shouldnt be needed, esp since every thing after it does ldfld
still what im trying to do rn is after ldobj
dup
callvirt toString
ldc.i4.1
call Logger.Debug

prev i had similar issues with callvirt but i bypassed it by using CodeMatcher instead which did work even tho in theory it should have produced the same exact IL

[upper vapor]

yeah you don't ldobj when it comes to structs

at least i don't think so

i mean you can just

load it, box, then pass to debug

so like
ldloc
box VoiceMessage
ldc.i4.1
call logger.debug

gotta love not having a stable internet connection on the go

[worn gull]

Hey, a little bit different question, does anybody has a unity learning site/video which is really good?

[upper vapor]

you can look at the outputted IL by adding [HarmonyDebug] on the patch class

[upper vapor]

unity.com/docs/learn

[worn gull]

[upper vapor]

tl;dr you might wanna consider not learning unity

[worn gull]

I need it for university

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1387522145294356500/attachment-3-1.gif

pay attention in class

[worn gull]

[upper vapor]

i don't have any recommendations myself other than "experiment and figure stuff out"
maybe someone else knows a good crash course

but like

unity is hella complicated so

[worn gull]

Ah

[upper vapor]

it's joever for youu

they should be teaching godot

[worn gull]

Alr alr thanks xd

[worn gull]

"Bevezetés a VR-ba"

[upper vapor]

ah hell nawhhhhh

HEELLL NAWHH

[worn gull]

Yeah

[upper vapor]

are yall gonna learn\

vrchat

furrymurry

and shit

?

[worn gull]

💀💀

[worn gull]

I don't know 😭

I know that it will be Unity

[upper vapor]

my suggestion: drop out

[icy knoll]

ur suggestions are poor tho

[upper vapor]

ok

i am well aware

[worn gull]

Will I become a Furry cuz of University? XDD

[next jungle]

just praying it formats correctly

[icy knoll]

99% of furries have a university education :3

[worn gull]

[upper vapor]

perhaps

furniversity

you're already halfway there

[upper vapor]

i will be in the 1%

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[upper vapor]

XDDD

[worn gull]

💀

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[languid temple]

Meanwhile "Programozás 1: Irjál op rendszert C-be"

[upper vapor]

university issue

[icy knoll]

ur genius consists of eliminating nanoseconds from function calls in c#

[languid temple]

Meglássuk, acelni fogom easybe sztem (szenvedés lesz)

[upper vapor]

i elminate other stuff as well

e.g. braincells

[upper vapor]

acer

[static meteor]

The ominous white rectangle

[next jungle]

uhhh is there a particular reason to use harmony 2.2.2 or no?

[slate flume]

What makes you ask this question

[static meteor]

2.2.2 is just what exiled uses afaik

[next jungle]

there is a certain accesstool method that i would like to use but its not present in 2.2.2

[static meteor]

So its probably best to use that version if you make public plugins

[slate flume]

What method, if I may ask?

[next jungle]

DeclaredEventAdder

or just EventAdder

not sure which one would achive what i want

[slate flume]

And both are gone in the latest releases?

[next jungle]

what

[hearty shard]

i think theyre saying that newer has it, but 2.2.2 doesnt

TLDR: If you make public plugins, you should use 2.2.2

[next jungle]

yea that is what i meant

[hearty shard]

then go up version

[slate flume]

Ahhh gotcha

[hearty shard]

but

[slate flume]

I don't get why Harmony 2.2.2 should be considered standard

[hearty shard]

• more dependencies
• may break other plugins ur using

[hearty shard]

if one person increaeses but the rest dont - then that causes issues

there are breaking changes

[slate flume]

If other plugins aren't updating their dependencies that's wild

I update mine

[hearty shard]

but yes itd be nice to have the version increase

[slate flume]

Honestly skill issue

[hearty shard]

its that all plugins using harmony

will need to up

this means cedmod, exiled, and all other public plugins

[next jungle]

someone would have to force it for everyone else to adpat

[hearty shard]

yeah

exiled & cedmod have the power to do so

[slate flume]

Okay? Should it not be part of routine updates for public plugins? Otherwise it should be considered poorly maintained imo

[hearty shard]

ok ill update secretapi to latest

now every plugin using it will break because a lot of ppl use it along side cedmod

[slate flume]

I didn't even know SecretAPI was behind on harmony

I use the latest harmony with SecretAPI and CedMod and have zero issues

[hearty shard]

it is, as itd break plugins if i increased

[hearty shard]

u sure?

[slate flume]

Yes

[hearty shard]

afaik it has breaking changes

along side adding a ton more dependencies

[slate flume]

My servers aren't dying and I know I use latest dependencies

[hearty shard]

harmony 2.4.2?

[slate flume]

I believe so idk I can't check the specific version until I'm home

[hearty shard]

erm

i mean

harmony is now

split into 3

harmony fat, harmony ref, harmony thin

what the fuck is the difference

[slate flume]

No clue ngl

I forget which one I use

[hearty shard]

but thatd be another thing that might cause issues

difference between thin and fat

but i have 0 clue

[hearty shard]

ok

so

tldr

dont use thin

[next jungle]

in most scenarios yea

[hearty shard]

im mostly referring to plugins like exiled, secretapi, cedmod

anything public

should refrain from requesting users to add 50 dependencies

[slate flume]

Right

[hearty shard]

at least thats my opinion

[slate flume]

The thing I'm opposed to is using old standards just because people don't want to update their dependencies

[hearty shard]

if an increase in version rly doesnt cause breaking changes - sure, i could increase it for secretapi

[hearty shard]

im opposed to breaking everyone elses stuff in secretapi

[slate flume]

There's a reason new versions are released, you should be using them

[slate flume]

And that mindset is what everyone has, preventing any updates from happening because it all started with some of the biggest plugins never updating

[hearty shard]

secretapi imo isnt big enough to cause that reaction

[slate flume]

Right

[next jungle]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/workflow.png

[slate flume]

Ong

[restive turret]

would be so good if unity goes to latest .net

many dependendcies will not be needed

[slate flume]

I mean really most dependency updates like this rarely make huge breaking changes, it's just that the more you refuse to update it, the more shit that breaks as you don't

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/ExMod-Team/EXILED/pull/129

[next jungle]

that is still not even latest

[restive turret]

(AND CAN BE CHANGE the wrong json included in the game to use latest compiled one (if unity wiill support that))

[next jungle]

2.4.2 woud be

[hearty shard]

its also from like

2024

[next jungle]

makes sense

[hearty shard]

October 6th 2024

2.3.3 was latest at the time

and also

my comment specifies 2.4.2

[hearty shard]

which tbf i just made the comment a minute ago

also the PR actually increases to 2.3.6

prob cuz it was latest as of april 2025

[restive turret]

well doesnt have deps for it which is good

(or doesnt say)

[hearty shard]

@thin shuttle https://github.com/ExMod-Team/EXILED/pull/129

[restive turret]

can you make it to use latest instead

[hearty shard]

i made a comment

im not exiled dev

[restive turret]

forcing now everyone in 15.0 and Exiled 10 to be up-to-date everthing

[thin shuttle]

We will update for Exiled 10

[hearty shard]

cool

[restive turret]

idk if exiled 10 will be on 15.0

[hearty shard]

no clue but

@slate flume ^^

[slate flume]

Fucking big

Love to see it

[hearty shard]

tbf it already was planned

just exiled 10 never happened

[slate flume]

I mean I didn't even know this was a problem until 10 minutes ago so it's nice to see something being done about it

I never really had a stake in this fight because I handle a majority of plugins myself

I reduce my dependencies as much as possible

[hearty shard]

true

secretapi >

[next jungle]

real

[hearty shard]

i will refrain from updating for the time being

[restive turret]

or just update

[hearty shard]

id like to finish my source gen for secretapi but holy shit am i confused

[restive turret]

and ignore

[hearty shard]

tbf.f....

i dont use secretapi....

if it breaks that sounds like....

[next jungle]

push and pray

[hearty shard]

not my problem....

[restive turret]

i know

[hearty shard]

[hearty shard]

@slate flume yk what to do for me

[next jungle]

anyways uhh back to figuring out why my player is not in global chat

[hearty shard]

what else to add to secretapi

hmmm

[restive turret]

support for net10 application s

[slate flume]

Alrighttttt

[hearty shard]

get out

slime boy

ur evil

[slate flume]

I still need to time some of the reflection I do in my project to see if I could improve it with source gen

[hearty shard]

wowzers

which specific parts

[restive turret]

scr gen is so complicated

ew

[hearty shard]

yes

you make it for me

thanks bestie

[restive turret]

i have to make one for myself too

[hearty shard]

nono

[slate flume]

Source gen is dope

[hearty shard]

make mine

[restive turret]

making aot serialiable library

cus none of the existing one support it

[hearty shard]

damn

[languid temple]

add secret class

but make it very secret

[hearty shard]

good point

ill make sure it breaks servers 1% of the time

[slate flume]

You could do a LabAPI decontam extension that gives you time until decontam

[hearty shard]

that... doesnt exist?

[slate flume]

Decontamination.TimeUntilDecontam

[slate flume]

Nope!

[hearty shard]

gulp

[languid temple]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nervous-gulp-nervous-glup

[hearty shard]

hi miller

[languid temple]

bye eve

[hearty shard]

oh...

[slate flume]

You can figure it out by doing some math with the offset but it's not written in explicitly

[hearty shard]

i see

[next jungle]

💀

[2026-01-29 15:51:26.512 +01:00] [DEBUG] [SCPSLCustomItems] [StandardVoiceModulePatch] ValidateReceive Prefix called with channel: ScpChat
[2026-01-29 15:51:26.528 +01:00] [DEBUG] [SCPSLCustomItems] [StandardVoiceModulePatch] ValidateReceive Postfix called with channel: ScpChat
[2026-01-29 15:51:26.545 +01:00] [DEBUG] [Mirror] Proximity

[slate flume]

So peak

[next jungle]

im not even sure what could be resetting it atp

[worn gull]

Lesz olyan is 😆

[languid temple]

nekem most lesz ebben a félévben

meg vmi adatszerkezetek

[slate flume]

Hungarian seems like a weird language

[worn gull]

Windows rendszergazda meg networking is lesz valamikor 💀

[worn gull]

Yeah, it is weird 😆

Megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért

Don't ask how this is in english

[languid temple]

asszem nekem is de nem 2. féléves

később talán

all fun and games until bsod

[slate flume]

I saw "vmi" and was instantly confused because I've never seen that combination of letters in that order before

As an English speaker my first thought was that it was an acronym or something lmao

[worn gull]

vmi=valami=something

[static meteor]

Funky language

[next jungle]

i may be stupid and forgot to press compile

wait what

in offline mode it works

but doesnt for online??

[thin shuttle]

We will make it for next big sl update

That how it's planned

[static meteor]

Anticheat?

[next jungle]

most likely

still i didnt expect ac to be touching voicemessages

[slate flume]

Does anyone have that picture from the guy who made a minimap that looks just like hunter's atlas

It uses hints

I know I've seen it around here before but I can't find it

I want to know I'm not crazy 😭

I swear I've seen it here

[next jungle]

ok any ideas how tf should i get around that as i cant find anything myself

[slate flume]

So what exactly is going on
VoiceMessages are passing an invalid channel to ValidateReceive or are they passing an invalid channel into the Mirror packet?

[next jungle]

wdym by invalid

[slate flume]

Incorrect

[next jungle]

channel is sent to ScpChat

[slate flume]

You show ScpChat for validate and Proximity for the message

What is the issue going on

Are you changing it to Proximity to try to get SCP Prox Chat working?

[next jungle]

in reverse

[slate flume]

Trying to send human chats to SCP?

[next jungle]

im trying to have a human class be in scpchat

which does work as long as online mode is disabled

[slate flume]

And you accomplished this by setting the channel in SendingVoiceEvent to SCP?

[next jungle]

im setting channel to ScpChat and somehwere later its forced back to proximity

[slate flume]

Where are you setting the channel

[next jungle]

PlayerEvents.SendingVoiceMessage

[upper vapor]

skill issue
you can't even spell it

[next jungle]

and when i check in Receiving its still scpchat

[upper vapor]

change it to roundsummary in receiving maybe?

[slate flume]

Might wanna check out
#plugins-dev-chat message

[upper vapor]

or cancel the event and send a new voice message

[next jungle]

i mean it would be pretty wierd if sending it via a plugin works over what sl does

especially since it does work when i disable online mode

[slate flume]

Set the channel to RoundSummary and send it only to valid SCP players

Afaik humans aren't set up to work with SCP chat

The voice chat system is very weird

[next jungle]

indeed it is

[next jungle]

nah wtf that actually works

[slate flume]

🗣️🔥

They call me epic and handsome

[next jungle]

scp sl be like
human speaking in SCPChat ❌
human speaking in RoundSummary ✅

[slate flume]

Yeah so I'm pretty sure if you try sending a message like that something in the code freaks out and reverts it because it's invalid, but RoundSummary is definitely valid for every role

[next jungle]

nah like i said it DOES work with online mode disabled so its most likely anticheat tweaking

unless invalid channel defaults to global

[slate flume]

I haven't experimented much with online mode disabled, but I presume that means no network messages are being sent

In that case it makes sense it works because the channel changes either right before, or when going through, Mirror

If you skip having to send the network message then it's gonna be fine

[next jungle]

online mode disabled generally means its not calling any external servers

at least that is how it works for other games

[slate flume]

Yeah I've got no clue, I keep everything on my test server as close to production as possible

I mean tbh I could buy into it being some anti-cheat BS

This game's anti-cheat is fucked up

[next jungle]

as long as it doesnt require a boot driver its fine with me

[slate flume]

You may want to consider opening a bug report on the LabAPI GitHub w/ reproduction steps

It would be nice to have it working without doing RoundSummary Bs

[next jungle]

i mean i already had to make a patch something else to force it to go through but i could approach it from another angle and repor that

[upper vapor]

this is what happens when there's client-side validation too

[next jungle]

so it IS anticheat

[upper vapor]

eh

if you put it that way

[slate flume]

It's more just the client noticing something is wrong and correcting it

[upper vapor]

but the server also validates it

yeah

[slate flume]

It doesn't believe that the message you send it could ever be valid

[next jungle]

ik but like it only validates it some of the time

[slate flume]

Right the offline mode thing is interesting

[next jungle]

indeed

[slate flume]

So open a LabAPI report and have the maintainers investigate for you in like a year

Low priority -type shit

[next jungle]

damn that fast??

[restive turret]

hey everything is slow

not like everyone is doing this 10 hours a day

[slate flume]

I mean I program like several hours a day and it's mostly all SL stuff

[halcyon folio]

Spend more time programming real life ideas

[slate flume]

The production pipeline for SL is what makes changes take so long, less the dev stuff

[halcyon folio]

SL is nice but think of future

[slate flume]

No 😁

[restive turret]

well most people have jobs or in the university next to SL dev

[halcyon folio]

😦

[slate flume]

This is a hobby for me, it helps with anxiety and shit

I just tend to give hobbies 110%

[halcyon folio]

I was in Uni when I was here

Can relate

[slate flume]

I was in school when I first started here and I actually did more programming then than I do now lmao

[restive turret]

I also do many other stuff while i play or dev for sl

[slate flume]

I used to dev as an excuse for myself to not do homework

Apparently it looks good on a resume that I've done a lot of independent programming so it works out

[halcyon folio]

Side projects are very important

[restive turret]

80% of me is literally shady stuff

[halcyon folio]

Huh

[teal junco]

What real life stuff are you supposed to even program

[slate flume]

Are you a meth dealer or something

[restive turret]

no

[slate flume]

Word

[restive turret]

RE

[halcyon folio]

Resident evil

[teal junco]

When youre like me and have no applicable knowledge in anything besides language, basic logic and scp sl

[halcyon folio]

Portfolios, applications

[slate flume]

I've had a lot of people tell me "You should start your own business" and I'm just like "For what?"
The market for almost everything is so saturated

[halcyon folio]

I use .NET for side projects

There’s many things beyond .NET too

[teal junco]

My parents hired a college advisor and I looked at my "action plan" document and it has shit like that

[halcyon folio]

You have to find something that someone hasn’t done

Even if someone did. Try to make it better

[restive turret]

well I mostly code in .net too so

[slate flume]

Everyone and their mother wants to own their own business

[halcyon folio]

🙂‍↕️

[teal junco]

I should make an app but I dont think im capable of doing better than the professional developers who work on open source projects lol

[slate flume]

The reality is that not everyone is supposed to be a business owner
The goal in life for everyone shouldn't be "start a business"

[halcyon folio]

Don’t put yourself down.

[hearty shard]

truly

[halcyon folio]

People are capable of doing great things

[hearty shard]

istill need to find devs for my stuff

it is very unfortunate

[halcyon folio]

Like myself

Like you

[restive turret]

yoy

[hearty shard]

icedchai is evil

[next jungle]

yoy

[hearty shard]

hi slime boy

[halcyon folio]

Entrepreneurship isn’t for everyone

[halcyon folio]

Typo 😖

[restive turret]

I am bad at managing time

or my projects

[teal junco]

Maybe I should start thinking this way, it just feels hard when my best accomplishment in terms of programming wasnt really that complex, and also isnt really my favorite plugin i made

[teal junco]

Why

[restive turret]

i mostly do stuff that i want when i waken up

[hearty shard]

cuz why not

[restive turret]

like "hmm i feeling bug hunting today" or "i feeling gonna play some rust" or "eh, i have to fix this stupid bug on my program"

[teal junco]

I dindt do anything you freaking galashkidoodle

[hearty shard]

you flipping flipper

im gonna flip you

[slate flume]

Exactly, but everyone has it recommended to them

[hearty shard]

also

what the act ual fcuk

LocalDeclarationStatementSyntax resultDeclaration = LocalDeclarationStatement(
VariableDeclaration(NullableType(IdentifierName(CommandResultLocation)))
.AddVariables(VariableDeclarator(ResultArgName)
.WithInitializer(EqualsValueClause(LiteralExpression(SyntaxKind.NullLiteralExpression)))));

[teal junco]

I think I wanna do stuff when I wake up but by the end of the day I'm so tired all I can do is lie in bed or game

[hearty shard]

🥀

[halcyon folio]

If you have an idea and have the passion. You will make it

[slate flume]

You know 1 in 5 small businesses fail within a year

[halcyon folio]

@teal junco

[teal junco]

I got hit up recently to fix one of my plugins, but it was really hard to find the motivation to.

[slate flume]

1 in 2 small businesses fail within 5

[halcyon folio]

Plugins are something, but you can also think beyond game development

[teal junco]

Plus another one of my plugins is majorly broken but I cant find the motivation to fix that ejther

[slate flume]

If you're not motivated or passionate about it then you don't have to do it

[teal junco]

Yeah, I wanna think about making an app

[slate flume]

You're an independent person and you make your own choices, the only person who has to hold you accountable is yourself

[teal junco]

Nah I wanna do this one as a favor, the guys who hit me up are cool and its minimal maintenance

But generally I cant do it

[teal junco]

Yeah youre right. But even for other stuff it feels kinda mean to put up a plugin and then stop supporting it simply because I dont want to

[slate flume]

That's 95% of plugins big man

[halcyon folio]

WinForms is a good way to start with lightweight .NET (may not look as visually appealing)

[slate flume]

Pretty much every plugin out there right now is depreciated

People aren't interested in doing a ton of free work for years on end

[teal junco]

Oh yeah! I worked with winforms a bit to build a basic game! I think it's pretty neat though its kinda limited and looks bad.

I heard good things about Maui but i also heard thats harder to use

[halcyon folio]

Yeah. I use it for non-game projects

[teal junco]

Yeah, I respect the drive of people who have years old plugins they still work on

It feels so demotivating to see updates slowly destroy your plugin. No matter how much you keep up it will always break again

[halcyon folio]

That's with anything in development

[teal junco]

Gotta be a special kind of worker to keep going like that for a free game mod

[halcyon folio]

New updates deprecate/obsolete stuff

[halcyon folio]

That's part why I wanted to focus on real life aspects

[slate flume]

If you're really deranged you can go low-level and do manual patches for everything to keep them working for longer but that only extends the lifespan, doesn't guarantee longevity

[teal junco]

It feels like low level stuff is way more prone to breaking honestly

[slate flume]

I disagree because I have transpilers that have been in the game going on a year

No updates needed

You just have to make them right

[teal junco]

Interesting

Yeah I never got transpilers honestly

People have told me to research them but its kinda scary

[slate flume]

Like some people will manually insert a ldloc.1 instruction instead of finding the local index and loading it dynamically

[restive turret]

or you can always make your own game

[teal junco]

locating the correct instruction?

[halcyon folio]

Transpilers look like a pain

[slate flume]

Any modification to that function that changes the pecking order breaks it

[teal junco]

I thinkive read about that

[halcyon folio]

Is possible, if your passion is game dev

[unique crane]

Im sorry. We cannot guarantee long term support as the game changes with every update, and so does the code.

[slate flume]

When you load a local, you load by an index
Local 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
What you can do is find where, for instance, a ReferenceHub is loaded and stored as a local to find the index instead of hard-coding the index

[restive turret]

this has in the license so

[teal junco]

dont apologize lol

Dont apologize for updating the game

I mean, I didnt ask for an apology. I was just saying a reason I find it hard to maintain my shit

[next jungle]

maybe i should do that

possibly

[slate flume]

You should, my transpilers never need updates

[teal junco]

Yeah that makes sense

[slate flume]

Make your code as flexible as possible

[teal junco]

I guess if that code never gets fully changed it shouldnt matter really

[slate flume]

So long as the general structure of any function I've patched is kept, my code will continue to work

[restive turret]

me when i finding your patch and rewirte the function

[teal junco]

evil slejmur

[halcyon folio]

rewirte

[teal junco]

im not the evil one

[halcyon folio]

Slejm would not revert

Evil Slejm would revert

[restive turret]

revert

[halcyon folio]

(edited)

[next jungle]

and only after 18h of debugging i got working human scp chat 💀

[warped prairie]

I read intently in this chat

So many words I have yet to understand lmao

[upper vapor]

To end your suffering perhaps (not in a good way)

[teal junco]

What words do you not get

[upper vapor]

Skill issue?

[next jungle]

ngl transpilers would be so much eaiser to debug if you could save modified assmeblies

[halcyon folio]

No

I can learn it if I took the time to study it

Atm I have other priorities

[next jungle]

they are pretty easy as long as you understand how the stack works and have some reference IL to look at

[halcyon folio]

🙂‍↕️

[slate flume]

I mean I don't think basic assembly/IL is as hard as people make it out to be

The only really new concept is the idea of managing the stack/memory

And everything else either follows naturally from that or is a basic code instruction

[warped prairie]

What do people here be making their own transpilers for? I get the idea of a transpiler but like what for?

[next jungle]

transpilers allow you to modify something that is in the middle of a function, for example i use it to set a local variable that i wouldnt be able to set with a prefix or postfix since its local

[upper vapor]

Smart

[upper vapor]

So real

[halcyon folio]

nod

[upper vapor]

Also the absence of loops and if statements is a bit annoying but if you look at how the compiler does it, that probably helps

[warped prairie]

Ahh I see. Ok cool

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-u-screaming-in-the-hotel-room-tpab-tpab-poem-to-pimp-a-butterfly-gif-4005569222539385807

[warped prairie]

Jovix is tweaking guys help him

[hearty shard]

@upper vapor id like your assistance

 IfStatementSyntax ifSubCommandCheck = IfStatement(
            InvocationExpression(IdentifierName(CheckSubCommandMethodIdentifier))
                .WithArgumentList(ArgumentList(SeparatedList(new[]
                {
                    Argument(
                        InvocationExpression(
                            MemberAccessExpression(
                                SyntaxKind.SimpleMemberAccessExpression, 
                                IdentifierName(ArgumentsParamName),
                                IdentifierName("First")))),
                    Argument(IdentifierName(CheckSubCommandCommandParamIdentifier))
                        .WithRefOrOutKeyword(Token(SyntaxKind.OutKeyword)),
                }))),
            Block());

how does one

make it

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/повезлоповезло-анонимус-gif-20728054

[hearty shard]

out CustomCommand? subcommand

instead of out subcommand

[slate flume]

Bug fixes

90% of my transpilers are for fixing SL bugs

[warped prairie]

Ohh so it’s not the transpiler I’m thinking of which is like language to language?

[slate flume]

Transpiler is a name for a type of Harmony patch that directly modifies the IL code of the assembly

[hearty shard]

transpilers are generally used for modifying code without causing the issue of duplicate code

or yk

for long methods

you dont rly wanna copy paste the entire method and then carefully check every update if it got changed

also