plugins-dev-chat

[grand flower]

It's very rare

[worthy rune]

it wasnt "long" ago that auto was supposed to be used everywhere in new code bases. i know they dont recommend it now but at one time they did

[grand flower]

There's also the issue that like, if whatever you use to assign the variable changes signature (a function perhaps), your code might still compile with auto

But behaviour could have changed

Whereas if you explicitly typed it, you'd either get the same behaviour through implicit assignment or a compile error

[worthy rune]

thats fair

[grand flower]

That's probably the bigger issue over the other one

I usually only use auto for structured bindings since they're nice to have

for (auto& [Key, Value] : Pairs)

As it's required

[restive turret]

I use auto when testing and playing with it

[grand flower]

This might be it actually, I'm tired but it sounds more feasible than the other one. Although I think the other is just as possible. Probably when you start trying to do auto& or something

[unique crane]

Unity is about to reach that requirement too

[upper vapor]

XXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[sinful bronze]

unity when try to find assets from megapatch 2

[restive turret]

If you have low ram that means you have to create smaller apps/games

[upper vapor]

That means somebody ate the RAM

[restive turret]

You

Perchance

[upper vapor]

Yeah in a way something like that

[slate flume]

So I have this plugin

I've been working on over the course of literal months

And when I first started it I was very much really new to C# and LabAPI

I'm thinking of going back through literally everything and refactoring it

[worthy rune]

wouldnt be sl modding if you didnt redo everything

[slate flume]

So true

There was a time where I didn't know you could write if statements without curly brackets

So I had lines that were like
if (x) { return; }

Still find those from time to time

I also was very new to coroutines so there's a lot of dictionaries storing coroutines when I could just use something like .CancelWith(...)

I also just recently was told I can just add components to shit

That's huge

[worthy rune]

yeah been there aswell xD

[slate flume]

I spend a lot of time fixing my old code

The server I write for has a thing called "Last Stand SCPs" which gives SCPs cool boosts when they're the last alive

It creates that like uh

Comeback mentality

Or system or whatever

The problem is I had all the handling for it in one class

Which would be fine if it was basic but I kept adding to it and now I need to redo it all

Abstract classes are neat

I had the realization that I can just not register the events handlers until I actually need them

As in like

I have last stand SCPs

Why would I register the events for the last stand if it's not activated?

That also means I can register them for different SCPs

And since they're all independent from each other I get some cool modularity

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

Ikr

Hence why I'm refactoring it

[restive turret]

Time to rework sl too

[worthy rune]

Third time's a charm

[upper vapor]

there's multiple charms?

[upper vapor]

#discord-announcements
the swarm of non-devs enter dev chat

[mild ice]

Audit log is going crazy rn

You have no idea

[hearty shard]

uh oh

[restive turret]

Lmao

People couldn't find a channel

Now they swarm here

[icy knoll]

waiting for the "idk c# can i get help" message

[upper vapor]

[tulip kiln]

Does anyone know what would cause a player to backtrack after being teleported because of being in the middle of a Jailbird hit? I've removed all references to backtracking from JailbirdHitreg.ServerAttack

Like I'm teleporting them somewhere and they just snap back

[upper vapor]

wait one frame ( or not)

[tulip kiln]

I'm now gonna try teleporting them 20 frames in a row

Hope it works

The 20 frame teleport worked

[upper vapor]

hollow

[plain gazelle]

https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1404809994569777326

Hopefully something i can fix for my plugin

Might need to make my own parent "system" and teleport each interactivetoy individually instead of by a parent

[worthy rune]

shouldnt be necessary

can i see some code

[true cedar]

idk c# can i get help

[restive turret]

idk c# can i get help

[unique crane]

We should add like cassie command for that

with link to a youtube tutorial or something

like there is for languages

so there should be for programming ones too XD

[restive turret]

Nah just link them the ms doc

[plain gazelle]

posted in thread

[restive turret]

!csharp
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/

[cyan crown]

Developing plugins

[restive turret]

Developing contousnsss

[celest thorn]

they are developing PLUGINS?

crazy i must join with my game on lol

[upper vapor]

❌

[celest thorn]

nah im in emotional moments

so fuck no

[plain gazelle]

If i set an InteractableToy to isLocked = true, do interaction attempts pass through? Or does the collider still "catch" them?

[celest thorn]

no

[upper vapor]

good question

[restive turret]

Try it an see

[upper vapor]

try {
it & c;
}

[wheat flower]

https://tryitands.ee/

[fresh zenith]

hey guys how do i get the energy, xp and tier of 079?

[restive turret]

TierManager?

Ah uh get with SubModule stuff

[pallid galleon]

type shit

for tier

[fresh zenith]

Yea already got it thank you. But i'm still stuck on getting the XP atm

[unique crane]

SLejm told you

Scp079TierManager
Accessible by the TryGetSubroutine

[fresh zenith]

so that means Relative XP is current XP? or is it the XP thats still needed?

[restive turret]

Decompile and see

Or fa and find out

[upper vapor]

ctrl+space is overrated

[hearty shard]

yoo leaked wrappers

[unique crane]

thats base game

XDD

[tepid sluice]

when we make 1507 spawnable

[hearty shard]

is it

oh is that the tier manager lol

[upper vapor]

when it's christmas

[unique crane]

^

[solid mica]

[restive turret]

spawns when feels like it

[celest thorn]

will sl ever sell skin and make an item shop

[plain gazelle]

cant find the place that validates interactabletoy search requests and checks for IsLocked state
grrrrr

no clue how this validation stuff works ,_,

Is there any way to know why the request was invalidated?

[obtuse spruce]

is there any know bugs with the AudioTransmitter ?

[upper vapor]

not very memory efficient but you can use it just fine

[upper vapor]

check ValidateAny

[obtuse spruce]

Well

[upper vapor]

and also it using a coroutine is weird imo

[obtuse spruce]

Am i supposed to stop it or destroy it at the end of the round ?

[upper vapor]

it'll stop if the clips run out, but otherwise it's good to call Stop() when the round ends yeah

[hearty shard]

is the coroutine not set to end on new round

with CancelWith

[upper vapor]

cuz surely you wanna transmit audio while the round is restarting

[hearty shard]

i mean

fair?

[slate flume]

CancelWith is so goated

I used to hold dictionaries for my coroutines until I found out about CancelWith

I also made my first component recently

That was hype

[mild walrus]

one question, im new creating plugins and im trying to do a lobby overlay plugin with hsm, how do i change the color of the hint?

[static meteor]

<color=HEXCODE OR UNITY COLOR>text</color>

[pine parcel]

is there a way to find out what the ccolor console command is calling? I want to change the colours of lights in facility, tried using Room.LightController.OverrideLightsColor = new UnityEngine.Color() and that flashbanged everyone

[static meteor]

Dummies cant shoot revolvers
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17278305753540741906/84CEA94A8F1B4599E40B43242581AC28ECF45365/

Goddamn embeds

[2025-08-12 20:44:54.763 -05:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.764 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at RelativePositioning.RelativePosition..ctor (Mirror.NetworkReader reader) [0x00000] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.764 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at RelativePositioning.RelativePositionSerialization.ReadRelativePosition (Mirror.NetworkReader reader) [0x00000] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.765 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules.Misc.ShotBacktrackData..ctor (Mirror.NetworkReader reader) [0x0000b] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.765 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules.DoubleActionModule.FireLive (InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules.CylinderAmmoModule+Chamber chamber, Mirror.NetworkReader extraData) [0x0005a] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.765 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules.DoubleActionModule.Fire (Mirror.NetworkReader extraData) [0x00088] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.797 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Firearms.Modules.DoubleActionModule.EquipUpdate () [0x0004c] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.798 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Items.Autosync.ModularAutosyncItem.EquipUpdate () [0x00011] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.799 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Inventory.UpdateObserverItems () [0x00086] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0
[2025-08-12 20:44:54.799 -05:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Inventory.Update () [0x0007a] in <f46d4d7de96941168027ebdae2c598a5>:0

[spare zodiac]

Hello I'm making my own wrapper for SSSS and would want to ask 2 questions.

How do I send only selected settings to player?
How do I unregister every setting from player?

[harsh gate]

The ItemType.ParticleDisruptor added to a player's inventory with the reason ItemAddReason.StartingItem will break after just one shot, causing the player to get stuck and unable to open their inventory.

Why

[worthy rune]

try giving with the add reason for remote admin

[unique crane]

Yeah

[warped prairie]

posts comment
hops on Gmod for an hour

[hearty shard]

https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1339704289291141130

[spare zodiac]

thank you

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

i ate my first component yesterday

[slate flume]

Was it tasty?

[celest thorn]

idk it was an in-game item

i called it a component but im not even sure it was one

[frail zinc]

💀

[worn gull]

If I shoot a weapon where is the game makes the Raycast?

[restive turret]

Yeah in somewhere

SingleShotScan

Or something

[worn gull]

In Assembly-CSharp trollface

[restive turret]

Look around where it do fire

[upper vapor]

HitscanHitregModule

[worn gull]

Thanks

[upper vapor]

Np

[restive turret]

Ofc people always ask everything when I am no longer on pc

[mild walrus]

is there any discord integration plugin but with webhooks?

[random scaffold]

where this property is setting up?

AudioTransmitter

[worthy rune]

wdym?

[random scaffold]

It says that if you set it to null, everyone will hear it, but how is it originally only heard by distance?

SpeakerToy

[worthy rune]

client likely does filtering by distance if i understand what your saying

even if you set it, it will always consider distance

[random scaffold]

so how do I make the audio be heard by the all facility?

[upper vapor]

Make it not spatial and give it a big min distance (>1000)

[random scaffold]

[upper vapor]

That's not really possible to do with discord rate limits
Not sure why you need it to be webhooks anyway
There's DiscordLab which runs the bot in the server process

[random scaffold]

bots doesnt have limits?

[upper vapor]

They do but they buffer messages and send multiple at once

Doing that with webhooks is difficult

[unique crane]

You can edit the webhook message

[upper vapor]

With a webhook?

[unique crane]

if your doing like server status

Yea

[upper vapor]

What the

And how do you keep track of the previous message

[harsh thorn]

it gives you an id

you store the id

[random scaffold]

then just make queue for webhooks

[upper vapor]

Edits have rate limits too, no?

[harsh thorn]

then you can update (or even delete) the message

[random scaffold]

and send it likely each 5 seconds, 50-100 logs

[upper vapor]

Crazy

[harsh thorn]

everything has ratelimits on the discord api

i mean, you can do it the same way

[random scaffold]

i made it

xd

[harsh thorn]

queue up the message content
if it takes long enough of the message reaches the content limit

send it

[upper vapor]

What about 10 logs per second

[unique crane]

Just send it every 5 secs

thats enough

[harsh thorn]

instead of the library keeping the queue you keep the queue yourself

not much different

[random scaffold]

doesnt have any matter

[upper vapor]

Eh

[random scaffold]

just discord a message size limit

[harsh thorn]

cuz all libraries like d.net do is delay your message if you are about to exceed the bucket

[unique crane]

with like a queue for the size

yea

[upper vapor]

So you just add the content together and send it every 5s

As a webhook

[harsh thorn]

basically

[upper vapor]

Okay

[harsh thorn]

thats what other bot plugins do

cuz they need to save up the content and send it as 1 big message

cuz they too have the send message ratelimit

[mild ice]

@random scaffold Please don't post that again

[hearty shard]

lucid doing his job?

unheard of

[icy knoll]

yeah

for discordlab's dmg logs

i just queue up all the dmg over 5s and then send the msg off

discord doesn't hate the bot as much then

if discordlab was a global solution tho... uh oh

[fresh zenith]

hey uh does anyone rq have the colors for the NTF Wave spawn and Chaos Wave spawn interface you see as spectator

[random scaffold]

rule number

is not nsfw

[mild ice]

7

[hearty shard]

idk man

[upper vapor]

people trying not to post anything remotely nsfw challenge (impossible)

[hearty shard]

definitely not nsfw

[upper vapor]

can we ban

everyone

[hearty shard]

yes

[upper vapor]

YIPPPPIOEEE

[hearty shard]

everyone with A in their name

[unique crane]

And eve

[upper vapor]

but then you won't get rid of logic

[hearty shard]

anyone with A or O

[random scaffold]

why you need get me

[fresh zenith]

/ban @-everyone

[random scaffold]

/banall

[upper vapor]

> "paislee".ContainsAny('A', 'O')
< false

[fresh zenith]

/ipbanall

[upper vapor]

HEY

how dare you ban my CGNATted IP

[upper vapor]

post memes, not horny

[upper vapor]

me when i got back to this code after a 5h break

immediately saw the issue

can you spot it

[restive turret]

I'm not

[upper vapor]

grae

hi not who's gray

[restive turret]

I'm sleepy

Wanna go back to sleep and never wake up

[upper vapor]

:(

pretty sure that's not true for SL, i checked recently
there was this metrification of SL and that made meters "actually meters"
idrk how or why though
1 hube is 0.75 meters
2.88m in the unity editor definitely not seem like 2.88m in game (ofc it's proportional to SL models but not to real humans)
-# dunno where we got "hube" from but it's definitely a thing SL ppl talk about

maybe discard what i just said

[unique crane]

what hube

[upper vapor]

measurement unit

okay but why can't i walk in a 0.65m wide corridor 😭

[dull oxide]

Why can't i add an effect to a player? :D

[upper vapor]

you can

[dull oxide]

ev.Player.EnableEffect() and I'm trying to put an effect in the () but can't seem to figure it out

On exiled you just use an Enum

[upper vapor]

it's a type parameter in labapi

[unique crane]

^

[upper vapor]

your IDE should be complaining

[dull oxide]

Lol should've thought of that

Thanks

[upper vapor]

np

[random scaffold]

how i can get statuseffectbase by name (string)?

im forgot

[upper vapor]

hi forgot

[hearty shard]

player.GetEffect("hi") afaik

[upper vapor]

TryGetEffect

[hearty shard]

is it

[upper vapor]

yeah there's no name overload for Get

[random scaffold]

but why is this an extension of the Player class? Why isn’t there a centralized storage?

[upper vapor]

PlayerEffectsController

[hearty shard]

yep

player.ReferenceHub.playerEffectsController

[upper vapor]

also it's not an extension, it's an instance method directly in Player

why tf does it check for null

[hearty shard]

its part of player because it means youc an player.GetStuff

instead of player.Your.That.Guh.Get()

[hearty shard]

uh

why not

it can be null

[random scaffold]

but all players have same effects

bruh

[upper vapor]

basegame code

it won't be null if it returns true

[hearty shard]

andd?

they have different instances

[upper vapor]

exactly

[hearty shard]

one player has Scp207 and the other has Scp207 but a seperate instance

me when new() except that doesnt work because its a unity object

[upper vapor]

would you rather
CentralPlayerEffectManager.GetStorageFor(player).GetEffect("sus")

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

[upper vapor]

just don't

[hearty shard]

oh i misunderstood

yea

[unique crane]

Me when object orientated programming

[upper vapor]

*oriented

why does the word "orientated" exist

[unique crane]

Scary long word

[icy knoll]

@true cedar hey hey

for ruei v3 i was questioning if you ever thought of smth like this:

rn in ruei v2 if i want to optimise my timers plugin, i would need to make a coroutine to save the timer string to a property, and then do the processing whether the player wants to see it inside of the GetContent thing of auto element, or i could just make the timer processing on each instance, which is a bad idea because of all the computing...

is it a possibility to make it so ruei can have a compute once method, which can then get passed into the method that is called for every player? just so everything is contained together and looks a bit neater... thanks :3

[worn gull]

Hi! Is it possible to put badges to the skeleton when disguised

The player's badge who's skin is in the skeleton

[tulip kiln]

Is it intended that using Player::Damage(float amount, Player attacker, Vector3 force = default(Vector3), int armorPenetration = 0) fails when armorPenetration is 0 (default), due to how ExplosionDamageHandler works?

public ExplosionDamageHandler(Footprint attacker, Vector3 force, float damage, int armorPenetration, ExplosionType explosionType)
{
    if (armorPenetration != 0)
    {
        Attacker = attacker;
        ExplosionType = explosionType;
        _force = force;
        _serverLogsText = DeathTranslations.Explosion.LogLabel + " caused by " + attacker.Nickname;
        Damage = BodyArmorUtils.ProcessDamage((attacker.Hub != null && attacker.Hub.inventory.TryGetBodyArmor(out var bodyArmor)) ? bodyArmor.VestEfficacy : 0, damage, armorPenetration);
    }
}

[true cedar]

i have great news for u

CachedElement

[icy knoll]

peak

do you think ruei v3 is stable enough to move to?

[true cedar]

ummmmmm

[true cedar]

if u don't use animated position and whatnot prob

[icy knoll]

i do not move anything around really lol

everything stays in 1 position

is the v3 beta on nuget or will i have to manually reference...

[true cedar]

manually reference sorru

[restive turret]

That's funny

[unique crane]

Huh

[hearty shard]

if armorPenetration is 0 attacker isnt set, nor is a lot of the other stuff

[unique crane]

Idk why is it there honestly

[hearty shard]

Who knows

[icy knoll]

ugh

cba then 😭

[true cedar]

but but

[icy knoll]

smh, if u put it on nuget ill put it in every ruei plugin i have :3

[mild walrus]

I tried to use DiscordLab but doesnt recognize the ids that i configure for channels

[icy knoll]

it should do

it uses discord.net under the hood

make a bug report

i’ll try my best to try smth but it works fine for me

[late shoal]

Hey, Im trying to switch to LabAPI. Is AnnouncingScpTerminationEventArgs similar to CassieAnnouncingEventArgs?

[pine parcel]

Is spawning the capybara as simple as:

_capybara = new CapybaraToy();
_capybara.Position = new Vector3(96, -104, 130);

Because this code isn't working for me

[static meteor]

CapybaraToy capybara = CapybaraToy.Create();

[pine parcel]

That's embarassing. Well thanks for the clarification!!

hold on, am I missing a reference? CapybaraToy apparently does not contain a definition for Create

wait, nvm, it's through Wrappers, not AdminToys

[warped prairie]

Is there somone here thats knowlegable of ReuI that can help me out, im trying to figure out how that stuff works and make a system for it but it dosent seem to be working

[true cedar]

i think

i might know

[warped prairie]

is there an effective way to have like a "queue" of objects to send to a player? im trying to make some sort of XP system where the hints will stack like this and each hint will individually go away after 1 second. what would be a good way to go about it with ReuI

size dont really matter they can be uniform size

[true cedar]

are u using v2

[warped prairie]

yea, but ill aim to swap to V3 when it comes out

[true cedar]

ummm

[celest thorn]

How many slots there are in a player's inventory?

i totally forgot

[static meteor]

8

[celest thorn]

8?

fr?

i remember 9

[static meteor]

Its 8

[celest thorn]

Crazy

i just checked

i swear it was 9

[upper vapor]

You can't instantiate Unity objects with new()

[upper vapor]

You're crazy

:3

[celest thorn]

thank you :3

[upper vapor]

you're welcome

[upper vapor]

The former is called before an SCP termination is announced, the latter is called when any announcement is being made (including SCP termination)

btw the AnnouncingScpTermination is CassieQueueingScpTermination in LabAPI

[pine parcel]

good to know, thanks for the tip!

[upper vapor]

np

i mean

you can instantiate them

but they'll shit themselves

[pine parcel]

I feel like learning a bit of unity would go a long way for modding SL huh

[upper vapor]

eh, yeah

[restive turret]

Or dont

[warped prairie]

bro is grey now. spooky

[restive turret]

Spooky scary skeletons

[warped prairie]

your a flamingo pal

not 3114

[restive turret]

I have 3114 role too

Pal

[warped prairie]

:(

[warped prairie]

anyone on this? still losing it atm (2am)

[restive turret]

I dont use hint systems I dono

[warped prairie]

not you you freakazoid

[restive turret]

Read the readme! Flatout

[warped prairie]

🔥

[celest thorn]

you are a cat enjoyer?

[warped prairie]

(yes)

[restive turret]

Ye I enjoy having cats around me

[upper vapor]

make a Queue

TryDequeue every second

[celest thorn]

so you would like having cats going like on top of you and pratically making a shield of cat

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

i would die in 30s

my allergy doesn't like that

[restive turret]

This cat, (who is in a pic) usually going on my chest and literally just laying down and starting to sleep

[celest thorn]

its not hot asf?

[restive turret]

We have ac on, otherwise I move next to me

[celest thorn]

Oh lucky bastard

[unique crane]

That's what they do

Sleep

Only that

[celest thorn]

my dog does the same

[restive turret]

No they scratch my arm

And eating when I eat

[warped prairie]

yea im still genuinly tweaking out. will come back to it tomorrow fresh

[restive turret]

Goob night

[late shoal]

thanks!

[upper vapor]

np

[icy knoll]

is there a way to track when 079 opens their tab menu? like where they can do things related to the map and cameras

[restive turret]

Ain't that client side

[upper vapor]

yes

Scp079MapToggle

or something

it's a subroutine

[upper vapor]

it's synced, spectators can see

[restive turret]

Scp079ToggleMenuAbilityBase<Scp079MapToggler>.IsOpen

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/door-toucan-hello-chat-bird-stare-gif-27159024

[upper vapor]

david

[unique crane]

ax

[upper vapor]

why does the text toy not have its text in the center

or am i stupid?

[unique crane]

It does?

[restive turret]

Maybe

[unique crane]

wait ill open up unity

sec

[upper vapor]

if i scale it up, the text goes lower

[restive turret]

Lover?

[upper vapor]

the alignment is correct but it seems to be positioned differently

[unique crane]

Well then dont scale it

[upper vapor]

but i need to scale it

[unique crane]

Why

[upper vapor]

that means i have to offset it

[unique crane]

Text bounds + size?

[upper vapor]

cuz of text size shenanigans

[unique crane]

oh

[upper vapor]

i don't wanna multiply the font size by some random number

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-14457952604098199169

[upper vapor]

xd

easter egg?

[unique crane]

what

[restive turret]

No

[upper vapor]

i've never seen this

[restive turret]

I don't wanna see it

[upper vapor]

OH

[upper vapor]

it's a primitive i spawned

[unique crane]

it is centered

[upper vapor]

xd

[upper vapor]

yeah i know that

but check the rect transform

[unique crane]

scaling it in editor works fine

in center

[upper vapor]

okay then i can blame textmeshpro

[unique crane]

Oki

[restive turret]

Nice

[icy knoll]

time to do a Postfix on Setter of this then 😭

wait is it even possible to patch that considering it's a generic?

[upper vapor]

nope

:3

[icy knoll]

fuck sake ima have to find the methods that change it then and hope that it isn't behind a generic

😭

[upper vapor]

you have to monitor SyncState

[icy knoll]

transpiler it is

[upper vapor]

but you can't patch it

[icy knoll]

FUCK

ok

feature request incoming david!

[upper vapor]

oh shit

look at that

[icy knoll]

what

[upper vapor]

uhhh

nevermind

[icy knoll]

bruh

[upper vapor]

there's Scp079MapToggler.IsEnabled but that's for the local player

you can patch Scp079MapToggler.ServerProcessCmd

[icy knoll]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/251

for now then

[upper vapor]

[icy knoll]

ill look at that

so just add an instruction here to call my method?

[upper vapor]

check for remaining

at the beginning

[icy knoll]

yeah it does reader.Remaining > 0

that code snippet in the screenshot is inside of that if

[upper vapor]

ye

[icy knoll]

so patch there?

[upper vapor]

yep

[icy knoll]

super simple then

smh

[restive turret]

sharing my dinner

[icy knoll]

would this work or will harmony kill me

[upper vapor]

should work

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/try-it-and-see-give-it-a-try-try-try-and-see-try-it-yourself-gif-24095805

but yeah should

[icy knoll]

ok

now to add inverse tracking

now to figure out how to match smth new...

must be an easier way to do this 😭

only difference is the Ldc.i4 index

[upper vapor]

wdym inverse tracking

[icy knoll]

ignore the CodeMatch in insert, fixed

[icy knoll]

tracking when closing and opening

that was only tracking opening

so

track the inverse

which is closing

[restive turret]

Track deez

[upper vapor]

why not just insert at 0 ldarg ldfld ldc.i4.0 ceq
true if closed

[icy knoll]

wdym?

[upper vapor]

you check the remaining amount

instead of inserting instructions in both branches

[icy knoll]

oh

wait

why don't i just prefix?

postfix*

😭

[upper vapor]

postfix won't work cuz it's already been read

[icy knoll]

no i just check the sync state on postfix

no?

[upper vapor]

right

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[icy knoll]

actually

for micro optimisations sake

transpiler

[upper vapor]

benchmark it

[icy knoll]

add instructions at the end

[upper vapor]

yeah that works too

unless there's a ret elsewhere

-# there probably is

[icy knoll]

no return statement in ServerProcessCmd

[upper vapor]

then you need to patch both brancehs

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-snow-those-who-snow-cat-gif-6299750748532064860

[icy knoll]

absolutely no return statement

[upper vapor]

that's not how IL works

[restive turret]

There is

[icy knoll]

ah feck

yup

ok

[restive turret]

In the last line

[upper vapor]

:333333

[icy knoll]

ret IL here

ok

postfix it is

that will be more performant

[restive turret]

Mayhaps

[upper vapor]

what if i make source-generated transpilers

why is the cullingparent a sphere and not a cube 😭

well

if i go in it, it's like a sphere

nevermind

it was the speaker

[icy knoll]

ax are you seeing things

[upper vapor]

i'm not hearing things i should be hearing

[restive turret]

Get a hearing aids

[hearty shard]

hmmm

Whys there a bunch of grey people

Dye your hair or smth

[upper vapor]

twitch prediction?

[restive turret]

What

[upper vapor]

@unique crane i figured out the text thing
i added <alpha=#00><size=1em>| to the end
when i removed it, the text was vertically aligned properly

[unique crane]

Oh

[slate flume]

Wtf are these unity tags

I didn't know you could add letters to the size tag

I didn't know the alpha tag existed

[upper vapor]

that's a unit

1em = 1 font size

just like in CSS :3

[upper vapor]

@true cedar do you have any clue why this ^ happens
i had to move the text up by 0.5 units to get it to be positioned properly

[slate flume]

Interesting

Also quick question

Is the MicroHID movement speed cap client-sided?

[grand flower]

Would have to be for prediction

[upper vapor]

ye

[slate flume]

That's some bullshit right there

We had polled the players on our server and about 80% of them said they disliked the Micro speed cap

The change should've at least been able to be reverted through plugins

[upper vapor]

MovementBoost

effect

[slate flume]

?

• There's a movement speed cap
• "Give them movement boost"

Wtf are you on

[upper vapor]

the micro just slows down the player

[slate flume]

No it doesn't

[upper vapor]

uh

are you fr right meow

[slate flume]

yes

[hearty shard]

that was the point of a CAP

[tepid sluice]

can we remove that

[icy knoll]

@upper vapor um ServerProcessCmd in Scp079MapToggler seems to spam quite a lot 😭

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

Ts pmo

[tepid sluice]

where they do limit speed in HID

[slate flume]

@tepid sluice

[tepid sluice]

jesus

[slate flume]

That's the module

That's what caps the speed

[tepid sluice]

Can we patch that

[slate flume]

No

It's client-sided

[tepid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-marcus-bird-shoe-bill-stork-scary-twitter-bird-bird-marcus-gif-19323978

[slate flume]

I tried + confirmed with others

[tepid sluice]

hate it

my players said micro gonna be shit

[upper vapor]

wtf even is the point of this
i guess footsteps

[slate flume]

We polled the players on our server and about 80% of them wanted it removed

I get why NW made this change, but a lot of people hate it, and not letting us do anything about it is a bone-head move

[tepid sluice]

just make it patchable

done

[slate flume]

Exactly

[upper vapor]

soltuion

move the player forward on the server

SSSS movement

-# horrible

[slate flume]

I'm gonna have all players on my server unbind their movement settings and rebind them in SSSS so I can redo Northwood's movement system

[tepid sluice]

a jet car

[upper vapor]

car + jet

i have news for you

#plugins-dev-chat message

[tepid sluice]

huh?

[upper vapor]

not a car but eh

[tepid sluice]

bro just like

[upper vapor]

XDDD

yes

[royal mica]

happy wheels

[upper vapor]

😭

[icy knoll]

Scp079MapToggler.IsEnabled doesn't work, which is a getter method which means the stuff under it doesn't work 😭

SyncState seems to not work properly either

this method spams like hell

so now im confused on how to track from here 😭

[tepid sluice]

[icy knoll]

wtf why 😭

[upper vapor]

this should work

[unique crane]

It does xd

[upper vapor]

replace ceq with cgt if you want > 0

[unique crane]

lets see

[upper vapor]

there's a movement limit specified

idk what the value is

[icy knoll]

where does Ldarg come from?

the method

[upper vapor]

my library

kek

[icy knoll]

ax!!!

smh

[upper vapor]

you can just

new(OpCodes.Ldarg_0)

[icy knoll]

code instruction

ye

actually it's Ldarg_1 smh

[upper vapor]

yeah

i frogor

[slate flume]

No it doesn't

[icy knoll]

is Get from AccessTools this time or what does it do?

[slate flume]

I literally just tested it

What are you talking about @unique crane

[upper vapor]

yeah, PropertyGetter

[slate flume]

5.4 m/s iirc

[icy knoll]

what should the OpCode be?

[slate flume]

It was in the changelogs

[upper vapor]

call

[unique crane]

oh yea it just takes the minimum speed you cna get

rip

Of all modifiers

[icy knoll]

like this, right?

[restive turret]

Isnt exiled has an event or something with it?

[upper vapor]

yeah

[icy knoll]

ok cool

now to post this one up

[slate flume]

With 3 cola stack, 255 movement boost, and every other effect under the sun, you're still gonna get locked to 5.4 m/s when you have micro out

[unique crane]

Yea

sorry

[slate flume]

It's all good

[icy knoll]

nah, no exiled event for this

[slate flume]

I'm gonna open an issue though to see if we can make it something modifiable

My players hate it

[grand flower]

see that'd be fun

and that's the opposite of NW's philosophy

screw modding

[icy knoll]

@upper vapor doesn't work, always says the tab menu is open lol

unless i did the patch wrong

[upper vapor]

try with cgt

instead of check

and change isClosed to isOpen

[slate flume]

I just wanna add, I know you work hard, I know you do a lot, I appreciate it
Sometimes stuff like this gets me a little riled up but it shouldn't undermine the work you guys do for this game

[icy knoll]

Cgt instead of Ceq?

[icy knoll]

okie

[upper vapor]

yeah

[unique crane]

I guess it wasnt intended for it to affect MovementBoost aswell

It was meant to slow down cola users

[slate flume]

That's fair I get that

It's been a point of contention on vanilla servers

I just hope it can be something I can modify myself in the future

Cause my server accounts for fast micro in different ways than just doing a speed cap

[unique crane]

What I can do is add something like IMovementLimiterMultiplier (sob)

and then make MovementBoost inherit it

and multiply the movement speed limit by that value

So it doesnt affect it

[restive turret]

Well patching anything for that doesn't really matter since client will disagree with u

[icy knoll]

oh i get it now

[restive turret]

Make it networked David

[icy knoll]

it spams open when it's open

[restive turret]

[icy knoll]

and sends false when it closes

once

[restive turret]

That's funny

[slate flume]

I think generally it would also be nice as a dev to have a way to prevent it from slowing down cola effects too, but if movement boost doesn't effect it then there's a bit of a workaround there

So that's less important then just being able to modify movement boost with Micro in the first place

[unique crane]

That is something not possible with current effects system

[slate flume]

Dang for real?
Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where we could patch client-side code 😭
I could just take the module and turn it off

MovementModifierActive => false;

[unique crane]

That is not happening anytime soon either

unfortunately

[slate flume]

That's alright

So long as I have a way to supplement the cola using other movement boost effects I'll be alright

Just sucks that there's nothing you can do about it currently

[restive turret]

Haha, so many stuff that you cannot do anything about it

Get used to it

[slate flume]

I mean I pretty much am, I have to tell people "No we can't do that" all the time

Just this is a majorly negative change for our players

Not being able to do anything about it sucks and I'd hope that I can advocate enough to get something done about it

[restive turret]

Well I do the same so

[slate flume]

I get a new person every few days asking me to put in a feature that requires new models or this or that and I have to politely explain that I don't have that much control over the game

[restive turret]

I also ask things to get done/fixed but dont expect anything

[restive turret]

Just say "make a new game that supports that" goodluck

[slate flume]

Same

I have probably half a dozen LabAPI issues open atm by I'm not expecting them to be resolved during my time developing for this game

[slate flume]

No joke, atp I've had a few people reach out to me asking if I wanted to help them make a game

[icy knoll]

@upper vapor still broken, this is getting annoying because how 😭

it says it adds the hint but doesn't

unsure if ruei issue atp 😭

[upper vapor]

how about we make a sync var in Inventory that controls whether the client or the server is in charge of calculating the movement speed (limit)

and then the fpmm can use that along with IsObserver

the values are synced anyway, just not used

[slate flume]

Axwabo NW dev when?

[upper vapor]

very good question

maybe if positions open up

[slate flume]

I'm still enjoying the luxury of being the new kid on the block

[icy knoll]

dude i dont think you need to apply, you know the game in and out 😭

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

the server yeah

not the client :(

[icy knoll]

yeah well

you'd probably want to go into labapi team more than game dev

probably

idk

[unique crane]

Doesnt really matter

[icy knoll]

well

labapi team does server stuff

[upper vapor]

how about both

[unique crane]

No one is gonna stop programmer from doing labapi stuff

And we do normal programming stuff too

like bugfixes

[icy knoll]

true

but, mostly server stuff i notice

programmers might do client stuff

labapi wont

[unique crane]

Well considering we do

server side modding framework

[icy knoll]

yeah

[unique crane]

Who would have guessed

[icy knoll]

i dont think labapi needs any more rn anyway, we have a good flow of stuff coming through every update

[worthy rune]

mirror kinda forces you to interreact with the client/server with the way it works

so theres not really a concept of server side/ client side programmer

[unique crane]

yea

[icy knoll]

live laugh love mirror

[slate flume]

Sometimes when I make changes it's a gamble on whether or not it'll sync

[unique crane]

Mirror is good

cause we dont have to work with generated code XD

Normal mirror is fineeee

[slate flume]

The distinction between server and client is very vague in SL

[upper vapor]

i'd like a source-generated networking solution instead

[unique crane]

I dont think you can do source gen in current unity version

Or can you

[upper vapor]

yea you can

[unique crane]

Oh well

[worthy rune]

yeah, its often the reason why changes end up being client sided unintentionally. there isnt a reason to think about it when your a programmer, you just do what ever works within the framework already built

[slate flume]

I do wonder sometimes

I'm someone who never uses Unity

I code C# and make the changes I can but to me I've never even downloaded Unity

Why do people rag on it so much?

I know that the corporation itself sucks

But what about making a game in Unity is bad

I mainly ask as someone interested in potentially doing game dev stuff one day

What game engine should I focus my time and effort in

[upper vapor]

1. awfully fucking slow
2. uh idk, it's unity
3. random ass bugs sometimes
4. editor crashing
5. editor crashing when trying to debug
6. editor freezes when hitting a debug breakpoint after reattaching the debugger

[unique crane]

Well.. what game do you want to do?

[upper vapor]

try godot
don't have an experience in it myself but it's said to be really good

[unique crane]

Yea you can give that a try

I think it has c# support too

[upper vapor]

yep

[slate flume]

Idek tbh
I haven't really started seriously looking into game development or anything else but I've had people over the past few years come up to me and ask if I want to help them make a game and it makes me think I might be able to actually do it some time

[slate flume]

I heard that like the big 3 is
Godot, Unity, and Unreal Engine

[unique crane]

If you want to do just random stuff

and mess around

use Unity / Godot

[worthy rune]

big projects its extremely slow. might take you 10 mins just to switch between client/server builds. also crashes way to much to the point sometimes its impossible todo anything for a day

[upper vapor]

meshcollider baking when the object is activated khm

[slate flume]

Fire

[upper vapor]

not so funny when you have a mesh with hundreds of thousands of vertices and you wanna make a culling system

(i was very lazy with the culling system)

[slate flume]

I think I'll check out Godot then if I get around to it

[restive turret]

Godot doesn't have good C# support despite they have a package for it

[slate flume]

They use GDScript right?

[restive turret]

The dll literally calling engine many times

More than unity

[slate flume]

I don't mind learning new programming languages

I learned C# just to do plugin development here

No lie

[restive turret]

GD is basically lua

And python

[slate flume]

Oh dope

I have limited experience with Lua but I work with python quite a bit

[upper vapor]

lmfao

[restive turret]

Because they have a thing that "eh this doesn't exist in gdscript so c# doesnt get any good features"

[restive turret]

If you haven't seen, check any godot related struct

Just awful

I would advise look at S&Box

They monthly break everything but atleast you can see much more

[slate flume]

Built off Source 2?

[random scaffold]

when someone make code generation c# from .lua

[slate flume]

Yo wait

It's C#?

I don't have to learn a new programming language?

Kinda tuff

[celest thorn]

I would say use Source Engine 2, obv valve makes the best stuff

[restive turret]

Yes

[slate flume]

Oh shit Outer Wilds was Unity?

Tuff

[celest thorn]

you know something crazy
Fortnite was made in Unreal

[restive turret]

Zero

Please

[celest thorn]

another fun fact SL was made in Unity

[restive turret]

No way

[celest thorn]

oh btw real fun fact

[upper vapor]

not fun fact

[celest thorn]

if you use cheats on yuzu sl ac detects it

and stops itself

[restive turret]

Tf is yuzu

[celest thorn]

i had cheats for cutscene in 60fps and sl decided to explode

[celest thorn]

Nintendo switch emulator

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[celest thorn]

Idk i found it funny

[restive turret]

It is

[celest thorn]

i do wonder if any other emulator is detected

and its even random sometimes it triggers and other time no

idk yuzu doing magic trick or SL AC doing stupid shit?

Did i find a bypass?

By playing a game?

[celest thorn]

Imagine injecting cheats through an emulator

[restive turret]

You have to get tru 2 players

Layers

[slate flume]

I had Procmon open and SL shit itself because of it

I had to restart my entire computer to get SL to launch without bitching

[celest thorn]

Idk sl AC is realy strange

i wanted to play a game

nah i didn't open it for the entire day sl after the ac exploded

[restive turret]

I had ida open, sl crashed

[slate flume]

Just use Battleye

[restive turret]

Khmmm rainbow six siege

[slate flume]

You know someone tried to play Battlefield 6 and the anti cheat told them they can't launch it until they uninstall Valorant

[restive turret]

Yes

[slate flume]

That's how fucked anti-cheats are getting

So mind-boggling

[restive turret]

Glad i no longer play those games

[celest thorn]

I love that

[slate flume]

I play single player games mostly

[celest thorn]

its amazing destroying the competition

[celest thorn]

Thats why i installed yuzu

[slate flume]

Multiplayer games are all hyper-competitive

[celest thorn]

some games i wanted to play are exclusive

[slate flume]

We no longer live in a world where we can queue up a fun random multiplayer game and have a casually good time with other people

Every multiplayer game is either play-with-friends slop or hyper-competitive skill expression

It's exhausting

I mean you either get Peak or you get Siege and there's zero in-between anymore

[celest thorn]

Like recently i played this nintendo switch game, yea animations where dogshit and everything like graphics was good, for being a nitendo switch launch title, and i honestly loved the story now adays most of the game suck on that, i can add this game to the list of games where i cried 2 times

The game was pretty much good for the story

[restive turret]

TF2

[slate flume]

I have 1500 hours on TF2

[restive turret]

Which one

[slate flume]

It also came out what

18 years ago?

Team fortress 2

[restive turret]

Titanfall

[slate flume]

I've never played Titanfall

Is it a good casual game

[restive turret]

U should

Only the sp i played

[slate flume]

I've heard people talk about how amazing the movement is and that there's a large speed running community for it?

[celest thorn]

CRAZY GOOD

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

i PLAYED THE MULTIPLAYER AT THE TIME

TOo crazy

too amazing

Bo3

Oh my god if that game was peak

[slate flume]

If I play is it gonna be really competitive or is it more casual

I'm really burnt out from hyper-competitive games

And I don't have friends to play games like Peak lmao

[restive turret]

https://youtu.be/2uiL9Dgxwms?si=v5H01zAWGh8lf34g

[celest thorn]

Honestly i play with my friend and he watched me playing that nintendo switch game

and we had fun + some jokes in there where actually funny

so it was actually a fun game

[slate flume]

That's awesome

[celest thorn]

but my refund of 4h and 30m of boss fight

with 4 attempts

and the winning one lasting 2h 30m

that will never be back

3M Hp

just saying

https://ratcentral.skibiditoilet.net/🐀/a0i7gfxx.png

from the wiki

[slate flume]

Idk I just wanna play a fun multiplayer game that isn't all about skill expression and is focused on just having fun

[celest thorn]

The most fun i had recently was that game

honestly

im probably going to replay it

and its Dead Space Remake 2023 and Dead Space 2

Peak games

DON'T PLAY the 3rd

DOG SHIT

Ea at that point got greedy

[slate flume]

Lol I mean I have an abundance of single player games to play

My steam library is full of them

[restive turret]

Half life deathmatch

[slate flume]

Recently played the entire original stalker trilogy

[celest thorn]

I had like on ps4 200 games of multiplayer and singleplayer

i played most of them

[celest thorn]

Fun game

[restive turret]

Also the old or new insurgency title is good too

[celest thorn]

its sad that some titles are still exclusive

i have bloodborne on the ps4

but never completed it for being too hard

and even if i want to play it now

i can't

(I know ps4 emulation exist)

so sad that nintendo games aren't on spotify their ost

[true cedar]

what does ur text look likr

[upper vapor]

as in the screenshot, with arguments ranging from 0 to 1

so like

prefix + <size=1em>|</size><size=0.5em>|</size> + suffix

for example

[true cedar]

idk!!!

i need the full text

it might be something to do with the fact that u use ems

[upper vapor]

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hold on lemme add randomness

there

is it line height

[true cedar]

maybe idk

[dull oxide]

I've heard NW added a new Update method that we can use. Anyone has an example of how it works?

[upper vapor]

do you mean StaticUnityMethods.Update? that's been a thing for a long time

also it's probably better if you use a component instead of subscribing to this

[dull oxide]

No someone told me NW has made some kind of Update method :D

[dull oxide]

Well I know I can just add a new MonoBehaviour script on a player

[celest thorn]

can i trigger the Noclip while spectator?

[upper vapor]

check

[celest thorn]

i tried just now but it doesn't

[upper vapor]

you can't enable it but maybe the keybind is sent

[celest thorn]

idk if my code has issues