general-chat

[old fjord]

Well you can count the number of "mega tech corp" funded development platforms on one hand. I think .NET is the best documented of all of those. And there is a MS Learn article about basically everything in C#, very well, professionally documented. On the other hand, some people dislike .NET because one person could never understand all of it.

[tardy badger]

But it’s come in handy a few times to give me inspiration when my brain refuses

But most cppreference

Most of what I’m coding these days is not even modern CPP anyway

No smart pointers 😢

I have to manage my pointers like a caveman

Lol

[glad ruin]

I don't care for it because it tends to not give me enough control. I've had to create some really weird workarounds to bypass slow Microsoft code.

[tardy badger]

Which is apt because of the lab I work in

[old fjord]

Recently? Or...

[glad ruin]

Yeah in like April.

[old fjord]

Interesting

In the end its got a runtime so its no machine code compiled language...yet.

[glad ruin]

It was mostly due to my code being bottlenecked by GUI, and detaching what I was doing from the GUI thread was painful.

[old fjord]

Oh what GUI tech

[glad ruin]

WinForms.

And yeah I know it's old/slow.

[old fjord]

I have done very little with WinForms but I hate WYSIWYG editors.

[glad ruin]

Oh I bypassed most of that.

[old fjord]

more like what you see is not the whole story

[glad ruin]

The editor was too buggy, so I wrote code to generate most of my GUI.

[old fjord]

MAUI and Blazor is where Microsoft is headed.

[glad ruin]

I spent many, many hours just trying to come up with a simple rolling log.

[old fjord]

They're giving out surveys to Winforms developers. I got one in VS the other day.

[glad ruin]

Yeah every few years it's something new.

Personally I just avoid GUI code.

[old fjord]

Well the best thing Microsoft has done so far is decoupled .NET from Windows. And thereby they may un-mess-up their GUI tech.

And everything is headed on the web as the new native platform whether we like it or not.

[glad ruin]

Already there. You're typing in it now.

[old fjord]

MAUI Blazor hybrid apps seem like a holy grail to me.

No crappy insecure JS runtime, no weird code hacks. Native runtime plus rendering UI in a modern webview.

Electron freaks me out. It's just such an insanely bad idea.

Tauri is a similar idea with Rust support.

[umbral phoenix]

quite true, though I think I'm pretty good at judging authoritativeness of sources (something that ought to be taught solidly in school as I think many people need a lot more of this skill - "Google said so")

or "ChatGPT said so" 😭

[glad ruin]

A lot of it comes down to actually understanding what is happening in the example.

[umbral phoenix]

surely no one would just cut and paste code without grokking 😛

[uncut trench]

You'd be surprised. Dunning-Kruger may play a large part of that.

[glad ruin]

[umbral phoenix]

I certainly get wanting to try out some black box you found when you want get something working (after all, everything is a black box at some level), but go in with your eyes open to risks, side effects, etc

[glad ruin]

... or lack of thought. Geeks4geeks tends to do everything in the most painfully obvious way imaginable, which often ends up being a very naive and/or stupid approach.

[median viper]

geeks4geeks is good for undergraduate

[frozen prawn]

Hello

[ebon dew]

If you review enough of your purchases on Amazon they might invite you to their vine program. You receive free products in exchange for unbiased reviews. I was just invited to participate. FREE stuff. 🙂

[glad ruin]

There are better sites though. For python I just use the official documentation.

[glad ruin]

https://imgur.com/gallery/K1ccgEb

[quaint marsh]

Speaking as someone who started learning python relatively recently: the official documentation was often difficult for a newcomer.

So when I turn to google, the top results are often:

1. some scammy paid site
2. a tangentially-related and contentious stack overflow post
3. geeks4geeks, with three or four methods and simple, functional code snippets. 🤷‍♀️

[glad ruin]

RealPython is good

[burnt tendon]

I know I'm the worst because I got really really really good at learning things by reverse engineering and reading the official docs where available and so when someone's struggling and just needs a good book on the subject, it's hard for me to dig one up.

[glad ruin]

[zealous oyster]

hi, I have a trouble to understand a concept on an electron hole. It says it's a lack of electron, the place where electron should be but isn't there, cause it was removed and now the atom is positively charged, and it moves the opposite to the electron movement, but I struggle to visualize it to me, like how lack of something moves in the current? 😭 Can somebody please explain it to me like I'm 5? I know the definition, I just don't get it 😦

[burnt tendon]

JavaScript's actually the worst of all because I have the book on the shelf that I learned JavaScript from but if I were to give a person that book, it would send them off in the complete wrong direction because it's antique.

[glad ruin]

Though I would like to be better at RE

[zealous oyster]

so holes also happen when electron jumps to another shelf, but how do you know what is a hole and what isn't? Ik, in every atom, there's a number of electrons, so we can count electrons on shelves and somehow know that they came from another shelf, but do shelves have some constant assigned quantities of electrons on them, so we can differ what is a hole and what is just nothing?

[burnt tendon]

I mean, have ADHD. I learned RE the hard way because I was especially spacey in the time where I was the most junior engineer on the team and regretted it when the next year I was the most senior engineer on the team. And then I guess my superpower is that I can just sweep through the code without being disturbed by any real need to deeply understand anything in particular which means that I can probably make some really educated guesses quickly.

[zealous oyster]

if somebody knows, please ping me

[old fjord]

I don't even think there are proper JS docs, apart from what Mozilla provides. But that doesn't take into account the way web developers use JS through insane abstractions and using it as a compilation target and detaching the runtime from the browser plus other weirdness.

So then you're left learning frameworks. And you learn one framework, it only applies to that one framework.

The only attractive thing for me to learn in web tech is Svelte at this point. But even then, I think .NET Blazor has all the same features, and a more mature language and ecosystem. The constant reinventing of the wheel and every year a new hipster named web tech releases and it just contributes to the poor perception of web dev. How can anyone ever break into something and get good at it when it seems everyone is starting from scratch every few months to make the "next big thing."

There's like a dozen "should I learn this or this or this or this or this" for JS. It is crazy.

[pastel steppe]

hello all - for a project i'm working on I have to burn an .img file to an sd card

does anyone know a safe program to do this in lol

[umbral phoenix]

mac, windows, or linux?

[distant portal]

Balena Etcher

[pastel steppe]

windows - I would agree with etcher but malwarbytes stopped me mid-flash for some reason

[distant portal]

🤷 hmm strange. i've used it for many years but not on Windows. i wonder if it is detecting a file being written from the image to the SD card and that is when it stops it. if that was the case then the program writing the SD card may not matter

[pastel steppe]

hmmm i'm worried about that too now

[old fjord]

I use Fedora Media Writer. It's available on all platforms. Though I use it for ISO, not IMG. I assume it's compatible. But what kind of IMG is it? Don't all operating systems natively have IMG restore features?

Raspberry Pi imager could also be useful.

[whole plover]

pi imager works for this, as does etcher. not sure why you've ran into the probs

😦

[olive dome]

win32diskmanager

[patent hemlock]

dd

[glad ruin]

I use dd

[ebon dew]

I have a cavity that is causing excruciating pain. Have a dentist appointment tomorrow. Been using ice, oraljel, and ambisol to numb the pain.

Life Hack: Take 1 ibuprofen and 1 acetaminophen and no more tooth pain. It's amazing.

my dentist recommended it and it works. 🤯

[zealous void]

Hello all. I am trying to get digital audio out from PC1 through USB, into PC2 USB (input), without converting to analog. Is there anything I can buy from Adafruit to accomplish this?

Basically, if I had 2 of those cheap USB adapter that has the normal green speaker out, and pink in on each PC. Then a 3.5 audio jack going from Out on PC 1 to In PC 2, but without the analog cable. I'm extremely sensitive to analog hiss/noise. I am currently doing it through the network, but the software is flaky at best. Would like to find a more permanent hardware solution.

[uncut trench]

Try thinking of it like this. Think about a pipe full of water with some bubbles of air at one end. The bubbles are like "holes" because they are an absence of water. So if the bubbles move from one end of the pipe to the other, the water has to overall move in the opposite direction.

[lusty fossil]

Oof

[patent hemlock]

glad i was in a position to sell my car several years ago -- yay for mass transit!

[zealous oyster]

yesh, makes sense! I struggled to imagine this cause normally you have nothing in between particles, so there are electrons, holes, and normal nothing which is not a hole lol, and trouble to know what is an actual hole and what nothing, but I guess I'm overthinking it. I ended up reading abt atomic latices and all that 😄 thx! Your analogy actually helped.

[patent hemlock]

hold my 🍺 i'm going in ... #adafruit-blog-feed message

[uncut trench]

Got it safe. If you're not back in 30 minutes, do you want me to send search parties?

[patent hemlock]

except i got 6 to do -- i think i'll do one and then maybe use OpenTofu or something else to keep this all up to date 😈

[burnt tendon]

I mean, Ansible's my personal favorite.

[whole plover]

it's not the answer but i agree it works. you can safely dose paracetamol + ibuprofen at the same time. i did this for shin splints, and also nerve pain in the mouth. sadly the tooth needed pulled

just had a ruckos with the owner of the apartment between myself and another neighbour. they were using a grinder to split a bath and it was 11pm. my good neighbour starts work at 6am so he had politely requested they stop (the cut off time for that work is 9pm)... they continued. then when he asked again at 10.30 they were rude with him, so i went down at 10.45 amidst this as they were packing up now. they were going to abandon a split bathtub on the street. we politely asked them whilst recording their actions to take it with them. they complied in the end but that was not fun

[rapid geode]

im more or less immume to pain killers, including novacaine. Makes root canals fun!

[whole plover]

i think that's happening to me also. take way too many headache pills

and now get way too many headaches

[rapid geode]

that is different. that is a low level addiction

i take no pain killers ever unless im REALLY bad off. and i find they dont generally work anyway then.

[whole plover]

is it considered low level? interesting

lol

i think i have a low level addiction to a few things

[rapid geode]

well, i call it low level. im sure advil will claim there is no adictive properties...

[whole plover]

i just do a+b with it which is probably the wrong outcome / variables to reach

[ebon dew]

I just need to get through the day until the dental appointment tomorrow. Taking a lot of aspirin daily in the long term is really bad for your stomach.

[rapid geode]

asprin does nothgin for a tooth ache. wrong kind of pain

advil is supposed to be best (on a person not immune)

[whole plover]

if oragel has lidacaine in it, it's probably one of the better things you have.... also if you have mouthwash handy that might help sooth. sorry for ur pains duderino

a brandy might help also

[rapid geode]

haha

[whole plover]

lol

[ebon dew]

I used that and helps a little. The combination of ibuprofen advil and acetaminophen excedrin is like theres no pain at all.

[whole plover]

for me the oragel wore off quite quickly so i was applying lots but thankfully got the emergency appointment in the morning after. it was excructiating. the nerve was annoying me for a few weeks to a couple of months and then it just started screaming and would not stop

and that was when the 24 hour appointment was arranged. they offered root canal or removal. i said just get it out

[ebon dew]

Yup gotta apply that stuff repeatedly every couple of minutes. The advil + excedrin lasts for 2-3 hours and no pain. Its amazing.

[whole plover]

https://tenor.com/view/abbott-and-costello-dentist-toothache-pain-painful-gif-12689645

and it was a bit like that

[rapid geode]

the pain will come back in pulses through the day. but it should be bearable. I have an extreme pain tolerance. My dentist once asked "how are you still conscious?" ha

[whole plover]

popos is cool. i managed to get retropie installed and integration with pcsx2 libraries

just trying to get some symlinks setup for a mounted drive which stores my hard earned roms

[rapid geode]

retropi is good for causing pain, not reeiving it

:x

[whole plover]

and it's so much more beautiful than windows

[rapid geode]

(not: i dont know much about retropi)

[whole plover]

aw im impressed with this flavour of retropie. it's actually really working well.

got all the upscaling etc as sub menus when in game. i mean if it does ps2 at 3x that's a win for me. it could do 4k no worries but my gpu can't

ps2 is experimental for retropie with pcsx2 and it's good they've exposed what seems like most of the settings

[fickle aurora]

How does Adafruit's shopping cart work? I cannot make sense of it. It seems to be a mix of some local browser storage and some server side? Depending on which browser I use I get a different count of items in the shopping cart

[rapid geode]

are you logged in?

[fickle aurora]

yes

[solid shale]

Why are all e ink displays out of stock on Adafruit…

[green swan]

Oh nooo, the slice ceramic blade cutters are discontinued? ):

That's sad, they were dang nice. The tiny one was great, had a magnet in it and everything so I just kept it on the fridge for opening packages.

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4305

[blissful roost]

Bit of a poor example to take 3 cuts just to slice through cardboard..
My regular metal blade box-cutter will easily do that in one pass. 😅

[solid shale]

its good for what it is

[jagged citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-gif-11218311201018181051

[proper umbra]

where do I report errors in adafruit guide? it has a dead link for file bundle

[tardy badger]

There’s a feedback link on the learn guide

[proper umbra]

duh, thanks

[storm pewter]

Quest 3 controllers seem to be able to run circuitpython lol

[tardy badger]

Could you imagine though

Meta saved money by using circuitpython (not likely the case but would be funny)

[storm pewter]

lol

[ebon dew]

logging out and logging in will fix the cart discrepancies. this has been a looooong time issue especially on Firefox.

i have different carts per PC and tablet. logging out and logging back in on all of them will resync it.

let's say you have x amount of cart items in browser on PC1 and y amount of items in your cart on PC2. if you click purchase on PC1 it will NOT include items you added to cart on PC2. mildly infuriating. logging out and back in will fix that, THEN you can purchase all items from PC1 & PC2.

or... a better way that people have found is adding items to a wishlist which does work across all pc's & mobile devices simultaneously for some reason. then add all items from the wishlist to cart and click purchase.

[ebon dew]

Practically all learn guides are undergoing a revamp. There will be issues especially for displayio transitioning to root_group instead of display.show.

https://tenor.com/view/mel-fire-fly-turbulence-gif-7288347

[ruby spoke]

which channel has the jp product pick of the week stream?

e.g. which discord channel?

[tardy badger]

#live-broadcast-chat

You’ll watch on YouTube, twitch, LinkedIn, etc..

[ebon dew]

Does @swift hatch know about this? Seems right up his alley for something in the future.

[swift hatch]

oh cool, i hadn't seen that

[tardy badger]

I have this fun idea for making a gameboy type experience. Using sd flash chips, making game cartridges that use right angle edge card connectors. Make a small PCB that sits in a 3D printed case that then helps guild the cartridges into the edge card connector

Sort of like a gameboy cartridge

[glad ruin]

So... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash?wprov=sfla1

[tardy badger]

Kind of like this https://www.lcsc.com/mobile/product-detail/NAND-FLASH_XTX-XTSD01GLGEAG_C558837.html

They operate in 2 modes, SD mode or SPI Mode

[glad ruin]

Yeah, SPI is the fallback interface on SD cards.

[tardy badger]

Anyway, I could do that or just nor spi flash. Feels like a fun nostalgic way to do a little hand held gaming console

[olive dome]

I feel like it is not that different from a SD card....

[glad ruin]

... because it is one?

[olive dome]

I mean it looks like cartridges already, like the one use in Switch

[glad ruin]

... those are just SD cards aren't they?

[burnt tendon]

I have an even worse idea: What if you had a little FPGA for a mapper, like the NES.

[olive dome]

No.
https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Gamecard

[glad ruin]

leave it to Nintendo to 'invent' a propriety interface for the sole purpose of making it incompatible with every other system.

[olive dome]

That applys to all the gaming console really

[glad ruin]

I mean... both PS5 and XBox are just SFF PCs that have been cost-optimized and subsidized with subscription services.

The hardware itself is standard.

[olive dome]

It is not, there are some talks about running linux on PS5 that is good to watch

Also see this blog, this is my current favorite reading before I sleep
#general-tech message

[olive dome]

They all have a specialized southbridge that hides the stuff

[tardy badger]

Sure, but I want to make a larger game cartridge

Something I can make a decal for

I had also thought about using those flexible no solder pins like what solder party sells called “Flexy Pins”

[teal berry]

Hi! New here, where's the best place to ask for guidance on a specific project I'm trying to accomplish?

#help-with-projects ?

[tardy badger]

That would work

[static flare]

that's not a bad place to post that

[glad ruin]

They say Canada has never lost a war. I can see why.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/887865989453205581/1164287303724834917/PXL_20231018_194121552.TS.mp4

[tardy badger]

People don’t realize that Canada has the largest air force in the world

💀

[ebon dew]

Does anyone know of a small flexible bar display? The one I had my eye on from waveshare is no longer in stock. 😦

only ones I can find currently are e-ink. I need a backlit flexible TFT to shine through a helmet visor kind of thing.

Found some on aliexpress but won't arrive by halloween. :/ Welp, waited until the last minute to do a mask mod anyway. Maybe next year.

[blissful roost]

They aren't even top10...

Ok... I missed the joke. 😐

[nova solar]

Does adafruit accept bitcoin?

[night crescent]

@nova solar we do not

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! SHOW AND TELL! https://youtu.be/lnRQvBsdWt8

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/9FDmZbyjVwE

10% discount code, code is: sidepower http://www.adafruit.com ends at midnight NYC time

[rapid geode]

a wise choice. haha 😛

"how much did we earn this quarter" "uh, 1m.. wait, no, 900k, no, 1.2m, no, 400k... uh, ask again after lunch"

[late fulcrum]

There was an episode of Tex-Mex Motors where some clown wanted to pay for a custom car with NFTs. They didn't go for it.

[rapid geode]

ha

[glad ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-last-crusade-chosen-wisely-gif-13257298

[crisp halo]

@thin rose @spare ether Where did you get your Freddy mask shown on this weeks project? I may need to print one for my son by the end of the month.

[glad ruin]

I contacted Noctua support to request that they upload this...
https://www.printables.com/model/617702-na-avp1-anti-vibration-pads-for-noctua-120140mm-fa

[blissful roost]

Needs less Noctua, needs moar loud!

I actually laughed at work a few months back..
We've got some "privacy chamber" thing, which is like a portable cubicle.
It's got 2x120mm Noctua fans in the roof, I assume to maintain airflow.

[burnt tendon]

Did you describe yourself as a big fan of the products?

[glad ruin]

[burnt tendon]

I guess I've been doing fan mods since before it was cool.

Like, there was this magical day where Silent PC Review appeared.

And now, dono, I got a NUC and did zero fan mods to it?

[glad ruin]

That thing probably has a blower and sounds like a jet engine.

[burnt tendon]

Yah, it's got a blower but given that it's a server and not fully loaded, it never hits jet engine mode.

[patent hemlock]

funny thing: i've recently switched to things that don't use fans (well, unless i'm building something) and found that I needed to play some brown noise to counteract the tinnitus because there's no ambient fan noise

[median viper]

I want an emulator

[late fulcrum]

Emulating a PS5 is easier than emulating a PS3

[glad ruin]

Not surprising. PS5 is x86.

Also, there is absolutely no technical justification for exclusive release of games on PS5 or XBox.

[late fulcrum]

Or PC...

[glad ruin]

Yes, although one could argue that neither of the consoles meet minimum requirements.

[fossil dawn]

bUt ThE Ps5S dIrEcT SsD tHiNg... And now Ratchet and Clank which was supposedly only possible thanks to that SSD thing is on PC. And an SSD is only recommended and not even required. (But to be fair, I didn't check if there are now loading screens or something on PC.)

[glad ruin]

You can install an NVMe drive on a PC no problem.

[olive dome]

🤦‍♂️ It is different, the similar stuff on PC is Microsoft DirectStorage, not just NVMe

[fossil dawn]

if I remember correctly, the special thing on the PS5 was exactly something equivalent to DirectStorage.

But... does any game actually use it already? (Aren't a lot of games so gigantic 100GB+ because they're still optimized for spinning disks so they put the same asset in multiple places to reduce seek times?)

[olive dome]

the different is in data compression /decompression speedup but yeah very similar

[olive dome]

This is why console is different the PC

[fossil dawn]

yeah but my ratchet and clank example kinda (hopefull) proves that the games that supposedly need directstorage don't actually need it at all 😆

[olive dome]

it is because the games haven't optimized for it yet

[fossil dawn]

can it be that the nvidia control panel per game FXAA "extend application settings" setting has just absolutely zero effect? Does it only apply to DirectX 9 or something?

[glad ruin]

I think it has more to do with NTFS being crap than it does with anything special about the PS5.

[olive dome]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/gdk/_content/gc/system/overviews/directstorage/directstorage-overview
I'll just leave the source here, you are not totally wrong but there are more to it 🤦‍♂️

It is always easy to negate or downplay other engineers work with a easy one or two lines of comments, but things are not as simple as you might have thought.

[languid oak]

Today I added to my repo 'Circuitpython_MCP7940' RTC Shield an example using an UM ProS3. https://github.com/PaulskPt/Circuitpython_MCP7940

[glacial wigeon]

another thing ive heard, is that canada is the reason behind half the things on the geneva convention

[tardy orbit]

Am I able to connect two IDC connectors to the same GPIO pin on the pi pico if I want them to be able to send the exact same signal response

(Ex: two different buttons that both make a light red)

[glad ruin]

Assuming you don't need to tell the difference between one button being pressed vs. the other, then yeah. Just tie them both to a single pullup resistor.

[tardy badger]

Smöl speaker 🤓

[tardy badger]

Recruiter: “we think you’d be great for this role!”
Me: sends resume
Recruiter: “okay now tell us why you think you’d be a good fit for this role”

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205159

[glad ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[tardy badger]

I also love technical recruiters who look at a resume that says embedded software many places and says “I don’t see any firmware experience on your resume”

[patent hemlock]

the one's i've been getting are: "you have all these years of experience in x,y,z -- i want to offer you an entry level position"

[glad ruin]

[tardy badger]

Also me over here like “the resume has like 6 years of experience but in reality the stress has made it more like 10”

If you include all the overtime, probably like 12

[glad ruin]

When I was job searching I saw a lot of that: they would list a position as "entry level" but require 10 years of experience. Seeing it, I remember thinking "no, you want an experienced engineer who will accept recent college grad pay".

[tardy badger]

Yeeeep

That’s exactly it

[patent hemlock]

i managed to get to the point/level where i could actually say "no" -- and i'm doing that even more right now

[tardy badger]

They don’t want the process of growing good talent

[patent hemlock]

oh, i'll fix your 💩 but you're gonna pay me to do it 😈

[tardy badger]

I don’t really need a new job, this one just sounded interesting because it’s significantly shorter commute wise

Like 10m vs 35-80m

[glad ruin]

My general advice: if they don't connect you with an engineer immediately after making initial contact, you probably don't want to work there.

I don't bureaucracy.

[tardy badger]

Yeah

My job currently is fine. Pretty good management, pay is decent for now, projects are pretty interesting too

[dusty citrus]

They don't even read it
I putted in my website, nobody took a look at it
I put some HTML/css knowledge, and they all assume that I also know random language/framework/cms/lib/sql

[tardy badger]

I don’t understand wanting a resume when they message me on LinkedIn which as you know is.. basically an online resume

[dusty citrus]

Well, it's some extra screening, although anyone can tell what's their point with their "behavioral tests" and other waste of time activities
Then they also get surprised when you're not what they did expect

[tardy badger]

Yeah, honestly it’s kind of pointless to get a resume until the hiring manager actually asks for one and you’re actually interviewing

My LinkedIn profile is public so they can just share it and see all the important details

[dusty citrus]

Currently my problem is that I do attract all apprenticeship jobs, so I get the same offers
In other words just an excuse to pay less

[tardy badger]

I have like.. ~6 years combined experience and get recruiters for roles that are like 10+ years experience

[crisp lantern]

Hi how can I became 31337 h@xx0r

[fossil dawn]

Project random numbers (in green colour) into your face while wearing a black hoodie

[patent hemlock]

for one, don't try to use obsolete script-kiddie terminology?

[rapid geode]

gameboy oppisite of advance?

[rapid geode]

man i havent seen that since the mid 90s

maybe he can hack nokia 3110s?

[whole plover]

i don't know it seems pretty serious

[patent hemlock]

i'd say i'm only half-joking

@crisp lantern what does that even mean? define what you want

[crisp lantern]

I want to become an elite hacker except I was just joking

[rapid geode]

i can teach you how to be a hack

[patent hemlock]

oh good, because after 40 years, i would still hesitate to call myself elite anything (except maybe a jerk, according to my wife)

[patent hemlock]

yep, i got that one!

[patent hemlock]

back in the Dark Ages of Computing, there were "hackers" and "crackers" -- think 16-year old Bill Gates vs the infamous Captain Crunch; well, when it started getting noticeable in a way to the general public via the gubbmint, "crackers" wasn't scary enough so the term hackers was co-opted to mean nefarious computer activity, esp. intrusion (ref: movie "Hackers", book "Hacker Crackdown")

[glad ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/708319548646096949/1165079473411080314/aA0ArQo_460svvp9.webm

[tardy badger]

Printing off a large puck light

The big question is.. will I run out of filament before it’s done?

[whole plover]

no

[strong igloo]

Hey does anyone have any advice for actually getting a software engineering position, I've been programming in everything from C to JavaScript since highschool, I have a github page with a handful of projects, I just finished my associates in computer engineering and I've not been able to get so much as an interview for an internship...

[burnt tendon]

I mean, you are kinda running up against the current hiring conditions. Lotsa places have hiring freezes and aren't taking on interns.

[rapid geode]

yes

[burnt tendon]

And, frequently, not even regular ol' people with a 4 year degree.

[rapid geode]

Will I run out of wood before i perfect these keycaps? 😛

[burnt tendon]

Basically, a lot of companies have a "headcount" number and that's what's capped, not the salary outlay, ergo, if you have headcount open, it's going to someone fairly senior.

[strong igloo]

oof

I kinda figured as much but I sent most of high school planning on doing software engineering so now im kinda lost

[late fulcrum]

My company is hiring, but it's not intern season (we usually do that during the summer). Currently looking for PHP and front-end (HTML/CSS/JS) folks.

[lusty fossil]

You're how old?

[strong igloo]

19

[lusty fossil]

The sun has not set my friend.

Keep plugging at your projects and learning on your own. You may have to take an unrelated job to make ends meet for a while but if you keep putting out good work, that will help

I was way older than that when I got my first real design job

[late fulcrum]

Heh, just checked our careers page and it's down 😆

[patent hemlock]

so the whole computer programming thing is kind of in a mess right now, with layoffs, freezes, and everyone's c-suite starting to think "AI" is a silver bullet for ... something

at 19, you have a long way to go, so sit back and enjoy the trip

[lusty fossil]

Yeah it's wild now

Glad I have a weird job where having some programming skills is helpful sometimes but not currently a target for MBAs to "disrupt" with AI

[patent hemlock]

well dang

[lusty fossil]

Oh it has drawbacks. Pay isn't as good, nonsense level is high, budgets are low

But I can roll in at 930 or 7 because I do 90% of my work alone.

[tardy badger]

Gonna be honest, I never found an internship through applying directly. I usually had to network with someone who had contacts where I was trying to work. I did career fairs, did interviews at career fairs. LinkedIn, the school you go to likely has a career services office that may send out emails of companies that have reached out to the school for applicants.

[whole plover]

yeh knocking doors and being present in different events got me started

so many crooks though

[tardy badger]

My current job I got because career services at my university said a recruiter was asking for resumes and I sent mine

[whole plover]

im not a fan of recruitment agencies. maybe if i was fresh out of college i'd use them once but they're pretty greasy with how they do business

[tardy badger]

Yeah, pretty sure I got ghosted this afternoon

Not a big deal, my job is pretty good and safe for now (my org at the company I work for is actively hiring)

[whole plover]

they obtain a sense of power by passing ur name around the office (s) when u literally confuse them with the skills based question the interviewer actually asked you in passing convo - but they're really good at doing ur skills matrix. NOT

[tardy badger]

I’m mostly disappointed in people doing technical recruiting who are completely unfamiliar with the terminology for the roles they’re hiring for

[whole plover]

that's what i'm saying @tardy badger basically in a round about way

[tardy badger]

Then you come off as a jerk when you have to explain that what they’re looking for is the same thing that you are

[whole plover]

there's been recruitment agencies hiring (or sniffing) for a genuine software company looking for angular for example and the recruitment agency person has no idea that angular is a framework built around javascript

[glad ruin]

I don't work with recruiters.

[whole plover]

so there's no connection between someone who knows js deeply enough and angular in itself - so how can they help work a c.v. with that limited knowledge... also they spend very little time with candidates. like i've never had more than 15 mins total with any recruiters yet they always got about £3-5k from my 1st year salary

[whole plover]

i think i gave up with them after 4/5 turned out to be salty

[glad ruin]

Yeah I only seriously communicated with one. And that was too many.

[whole plover]

yeh im with you @glad ruin

the recruiter called sam particularly annoyed me, as did aaron

[tardy badger]

My favorite thing was a few years ago when react was like 5 years old, there were recruiters and job postings asking for people with 10 years of react experience

[whole plover]

wow

"it's not the how the advert is written, it's how u respond to it" is what a recruiter may say

[glad ruin]

"Ah yes, I'm sure that was totally intentional."

Granted, I can be a somewhat "prickly" engineer. I have absolutely no qualms with calling out stupid design decisions. And I'm not always the most... sociable person. I'm very interested in what I do, but it doesn't always show to other people because autism.

[whole plover]

it was always fun on last days of a particular job for me because in some of those jobs i was the sole maintainer of user data, so the handovers to new staff were always full of joy

[glad ruin]

... and they expect me to be relaxed in what is literally one of the most stressful situations imaginable for me.

[strong igloo]

Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science, Information Systems or other related field. Equivalent work experience may be accepted.
Minimum of 2 to 4 years of development experience in relevant technologies/systems required.
Working knowledge of finance and accounting systems within the insurance industry.
Technical understanding of relevant technologies and systems, such as client/server, backend persistent storage, and cloud technologies(AWS preferred).
Used to meeting deadlines and delivering high quality results.
Experience with SDF development methodologies, Waterfall and Agile.
Accountability and ownership of technical design and work output.
Adaptability, including dealing effectively with ambiguity.
Strong analytical and problem-solving skills.
Ability to effectively communicate with various levels of IT management.
Working knowledge of Object-Oriented Programming, .Net, C# and Python within the AWS environment.
Important to have current experience with data storage fundamentals, security foundation, cloud-specific patterns, networking,

from an entry level postion on linkedin

[whole plover]

good luck with ur application @strong igloo - stej stops talking

[glad ruin]

effectively dealing with ambiguity

[strong igloo]

; u ;

[tardy badger]

Yeah, companies that do that really have no idea what the phrase “entry level” means

I think they believe it means “this is the level we want people to enter our company at” rather than what it actually means

[glad ruin]

finance and accounting systems within the insurance industry
Ah yes, I moonlighted as an accountant for Liberty Mutual while in college.

[tardy badger]

Many companies want to just hire experienced people rather than take the time to grow talent organically

[glad ruin]

Oh, they do. They just put that in to justify not paying.

[tardy badger]

Sure

But I genuinely think there’s a disconnect

[glad ruin]

Oh, there's absolutely a disconnect. But I won't cut them any slack for it.

[whole plover]

the industry is a mix of embedded individuals / teams and contractors. if a company didn't get their HR right the tech industry might be the one (of others i'm sure) which leads them into high staff turnover

[tardy badger]

The company I work for regularly uses actual engineers to do screening calls

[rapid geode]

hiring new people can be tricky cause you spend more money babysitting them. our company does something weird with production staff that seems to work. they hire people as office monkeys. answer phones, get the door, lay out snacks... and then slowly over time they get trained to be PA, coordinators, and eventually 2 have become producers.

[tardy badger]

Sure

[glad ruin]

... and that's how it should be.

[tardy badger]

Software is arguably a lot easier to train people into roles than a lot of engineering

[rapid geode]

ha

artists are hard. cause it is really impossible to tell who will be good. no matter what the experience level.

lottery

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[glad ruin]

Very different industries.

[whole plover]

yeh you can teach some one to code within acceptable rules. it might not be the most genius work or maybe it will but you can embrace these learnings

[rapid geode]

the software people we have had also cycle through fast. the good ones leave for better money. and the terrible ones get sacked.

[whole plover]

but of course it's the IT sector, there needs to be some good skill to reach these points already

[glad ruin]

And now I suspect there are a lot of "artists" trying to land jobs with AI.

[tardy badger]

Decent, even halfway decent engineers are a plenty out there. Unfortunately most companies want these unicorn engineers who are actually not that great at providing value and who just job hop

[whole plover]

it's important to get staff at a young age or on a deeper level at a later stage to understand that code stand ups are valuable and we should all try to participate in that within the company / org

[tardy badger]

Not that job hoping is bad, some people just have bad abilities to sus out bad cultures

[rapid geode]

not seen that myself yet, but im sure it happens. lots of stolen work and frauds for sure. apparently we had one guy show up who was definitely not the guy that was intervied on zoom. that was new. haha

[glad ruin]

And the best ones I know tend to not always get along with corporate.

[tardy badger]

Yeah..

[rapid geode]

our it needs are just weird, and dont pay all that well (compared to say, microsoft). so its a tricky time finding someone that stays

[whole plover]

although my only real skills today are those fading php, photoshop, front end skills i had in 2020 i really don't know where i'm going to go from here

[rapid geode]

my it skills are limited to blinking lights

[whole plover]

38 - major burn out after being messed around as a freelancer because recruiters suck and in house jobs were always thin on the ground. what a trip. NOT

[rapid geode]

but i know how to machine blood splatter guides in corian and paint life sized foam dinosaurs...

sooo theres that

[old fjord]

The thing about being an artist is you have to be successful at very specialized and ambiguous tasks and no two people see art the same way. No thanks. I need more concrete goals.

[tardy badger]

A lot of things can be considered art

[whole plover]

often being an artist just means cutting ur fringe urself

[old fjord]

But hey some agency got paid millions to design the new Patreon logo so there's that.

[tardy badger]

Designing good software is both a technical skill and an art

[rapid geode]

"artist" is a lose terms

[whole plover]

"artist" is an invitation to bring back the bowl cut

[tardy badger]

Laying out a CPU Tapeout, also an art. Looks pretty cool too

[rapid geode]

half of the cgi people in the shop are definitly not "art" people.

couldnt paint a barn

hehe

but, they cam make explosions real good

[whole plover]

will game development become autonomous?

[glad ruin]

Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit of a downer. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I spent a year and a half job searching... and a year I did it again for another 6 months during COVID after I'd experienced enough of Intel's internal corporate politics. I've had experiences that were... less than stellar, and I don't wish those experiences on anyone.

[old fjord]

Crappy software provides business value. Just ask businesses. Lol

[strong igloo]

No lol

[old fjord]

Cough time clock that runs on Windows server 2003

[strong igloo]

I figured it was gonna be like this tbh

[rapid geode]

your clock is set to 2003? thats your first problem

[glad ruin]

If it ain't broken... it hasn't been used.

[glad ruin]

I can call out pitfalls and talk about things that I consider to be red flags though.

[rapid geode]

i prefer black flag

[old fjord]

I was also going over Square with a deputy treasurer and Square has a software payroll product and she joked it could replace her job so be quiet about it. I guess as long as people are comfortable doing tedious tasks in Excel which could easily be done by a competent software engineer and an application, no need to change.

[glad ruin]

... until excel breaks. It does that a lot.

[rapid geode]

I never understand that attitude. id love my job to be replaced with a robot. i could go do something else.

[strong igloo]

yeah that might help

[old fjord]

Excel people almost relish in their pain and take pride that learning this 💩 app makes them valuable to businesses.

Word is also just a terrible product used in all the wrong ways at businesses. But apparently most normies think it's a good method to store written info and page layouts. (When it's literally a terrible way to do things.)

[whole plover]

not if robots were doing everything else within your venacular, because you may - starve due to lack of income

[rapid geode]

someone has to fix the robots

clean their little trays

[whole plover]

of course lol

[whole plover]

u hiring?

[rapid geode]

ha

[glad ruin]

Ultimately, both of the positions I landed were not via recruiting or through a job posting site. Obnoxious as it is, I strongly recommend using the job listings on the site for each individual company. A vast majority either won't respond or will send an automated email six months later saying "we have decided to move forward with other candidates" (phrasing that I have always hated, but HR seems to like). Ideally, you will be directly contacted by the hiring manager (with perhaps a single screening interview first). It also helps a lot if you know someone who is currently working for the company or who left on good terms and will serve as a reference.

[rapid geode]

programmed the next operation for my keycaps, but its too late now to make noise. will have to do it in the morning

[glad ruin]

Oh don't even start me on M$ Office... I have... opinions on it. Objectively correct opinions, but I don't really want to do a rant about it.

[whole plover]

libre office works pretty fine

open office is more pretty

google docs is fine

[glad ruin]

I use this in place of MS Office because it is more stable.

[whole plover]

yeh i just use it for a spreadsheet or document here or there

[rapid geode]

i used open office since the 90s. at this point i dont even know what ms office is 😛

[old fjord]

Terrible business data practices:

Error 1: store important data on a filesystem, which is highly unstructured data, nearly impossible to properly index.

Error 2: Storing business information in Word and Excel and PowerPoint formats. They're incredibly fragile, the formatting constantly breaks. And most time is wasted just trying to make something look decent. Not to mention the technical reasons all those formats are trash.

Error 3: save all this crap to the desktop and then duplicate it to the cloud or whatever, so there's five copies of everything, and nobody knows what is going on.

Error 4: write important documents to the AWFUL PDF format and then delete the original, necessitating paying Adobe a fee to break the formatting even more.

[whole plover]

i have had a couple of crashes in the midst of a document tho, and the document recovery versions is a bit whack but most of the time it's fine

[rapid geode]

error 4: store your entire production pipely in an autodesk product that is cloud based and unreachanbe at least 2-3 hours a week - usually when you are trying to deliver

[whole plover]

@old fjord Error 1 solution new problems RAID (w.e)
Error 2: Version management, but yes there are improvements. This is why .psd files lost some popularity also.
Error 3: that's duplication for sure but in an imperfect world there is regex 🙂

[old fjord]

I added my own error 4

[rapid geode]

ha

[old fjord]

Autodesk and Adobe, basically the same thing

PDF is so cursed

[glad ruin]

As a read-only interchange format it is reliable enough.

[old fjord]

The solution is a CMS or something like that. Data is stored in a database, with information preferably formatted as web standards. And relationships are stored in a structured manner where they won't be lost.

But it's amazing how few businesses bother. Even massive corps are doing the Office stuff. It's insane.

[glad ruin]

I am a strong proponent of version control.

[glad ruin]

Scattered across half a dozen Windows network shares.

[old fjord]

Then businesses end up paying people to do tasks such as copying and pasting from a PDF into a new document and the end result is trash making more trash and wasting time and money.

[whole plover]

the redundancy will be be less in a bespoke system but new problems will present itself

[rapid geode]

no, compeltely different. autodesk is incompetent. adobe is maliscious

[glad ruin]

They're both malicious.

[old fjord]

I think Adobe is more malicious

[glad ruin]

Probably, but they're also quite a bit bigger I think.

[rapid geode]

smaller

[glad ruin]

Adobe smaller than Autodesk?

[whole plover]

i haven't seen an adobe platform evangelist for a long time

[old fjord]

Adobe paid 20 BILLION DOLLARS for the lump of JS called Figma

[rapid geode]

i thought they were, but i guess they are bigger.

[whole plover]

oh snap really i did not know they bought figma

[old fjord]

Adobe made XD, and they also bought Figma. Kind of like how they bought their Illustrator competition and killed it. But in this case, I think XD will die.

But seriously

[whole plover]

they also bought macromedia back in teh day

[old fjord]

No way Figma is worth $20 billion. You could put together a team of 5 people and make something comparable with like...millions.

[rapid geode]

adobe bought almost everything they have.

[old fjord]

Boggles my mind

[glad ruin]

Anticompetitive.

[rapid geode]

yeah, adobe is a horrible company. adesk is just greedy and stupid. still bad, but different bad

[old fjord]

Like couldn't Adobe find another way to run Figma into the ground and then aquire them? Like make a way better product and give it away for free?

Rather than pay 20 BILLION

[rapid geode]

ha

[whole plover]

i think adobe know figma type apps contest the very fabric of adobe, so in order to look cool they need to make these aquirements

[glad ruin]

Adobe has a money printer. Multiple, in fact.

[old fjord]

I'm just saying if I was in charge I would bankrupt them first

Lol

[rapid geode]

the only paid adobe product i use is photoshop cause there is no alternative.

[glad ruin]

Big companies are risk-averse. And it would still take time to enter and saturate the market.

[old fjord]

Well still, they started XD. It's a pretty good Figma ripoff.

It just never got better than Figma.

[glad ruin]

That's the other thing: there are areas where Adobe has a total monopoly. Autodesk usually has at least one major competitor.

[rapid geode]

adesk is a borderline monopoly. their competition is some areas is so weak it may as well be gimp

[old fjord]

Fun fact Adobe Illustrator is actually PDF based

AI files are literally PDF

[rapid geode]

not the ones i use

ai88 format :x

[old fjord]

Lol

[rapid geode]

cause anything newer adesk has not paid the license to import

[old fjord]

What

[rapid geode]

same with sketchup. after v8 cant import cause googles wants money

but adesk will hapily charge me more

[old fjord]

Just use SVG. It's better anyway.

[rapid geode]

actually, thats not entirely true. they try to have a policy of owning, not licensing, as that has bit them in the past.

i imagine some things they have no choice

[dusty citrus]

I paid for adobe once unwillingly
I used a temporary card to use their 7 day trial of random app, to not deal with cancellation
Somehow they managed to get money from my main card which I never communicated to them

[rapid geode]

sounds unlikely

maybe you put the wrong card in

🙂

cause the other way is so many types of illegal

[whole plover]

i got their education pack when it was crossing from macromedia to adobe, then later got the creative cloud each month which was about £10 a month which seemed reasonable.

[uncut trench]

Agreed. Emphasis on the read-only. My usual M.O. is to use Open Office writer for document prep, and then use the export to PDF built in to writer. Saves the extra step of going through Microsoft's print to PDF driver. Which works just fine, but it's a few more steps that I don't need.

Yeah, PDF is just like MP3 or VHS tapes were. Truly horrible formats, but they became de-facto standards so everyone started using them. AAC and OPUS are light years ahead of MP3, and Sony's Betamax was infinitely superior to VHS, but for whatever reason they just didn't take off.
AFAIK there isn't a viable replacement for PDF, and at this stage it'd be largely pointless to try and introduce one.

[glad ruin]

I prefer to use LaTeX.

It's not really meant to be an editable format, and that's fine.

In some cases it's actually preferable. I've had recruiters ask me for "the word document" of my resume before. Mind you, my resume is written in LaTeX with a heavily customized layout. Since it's a resume, I don't want them to be able to modify it, and I don't trust their tooling to import it properly either.

[uncut trench]

Which is a risk, because LaTeX isn't that generally readable. I sure don't have (or want) anything that makes sense of it. If I were a recruiter, and I got a resume as LaTeX, I'd file it in the recycle bin and move on to the next candidate. For that market, PDF is a far safer bet.

[glad ruin]

LaTeX is source code, not an exchange format. I never want them to have access to that, as it would give them the ability to edit.

The point is that I've sent a PDF and been asked for a word document before. Since that word document doesn't exist, they have to use the PDF and can't mangle the layout.

[uncut trench]

Ahh OK. I've seen the name, but never really bothered to find out what it is. It fills the same space as something like rtf, correct?

[glad ruin]

No, it's far more sophisticated.

[whole plover]

you can actually run the libre office converter from terminal if you want to generate a pdf

[glad ruin]

You can think of it loosely as "HTML for printed documents", but it's also a programming language in its own right.

[uncut trench]

Not trying to compare relative power of the formats, more trying to determine if it fits in the same point in the document preparation pipeline. It's a "source format" that represents how the final document should look.

[glad ruin]

If you've ever seen an academic paper with equations, graphs, etc. it was probably written in LaTeX.

[glad ruin]

More or less, yeah.

[whole plover]

this has been the worst month in history here. particularly stupid in terms of budgeting, particularly stupid. yes very very particularly stupid. only 9 more days. only 9 more days. must buy some pasta, bread and milk later.

[glad ruin]

I used libre office originally, but it struggled with the formatting. Basically, the "modern" format (that includes a side bar) is very difficult to set up in MS/LibreOffice, plus making edits very quickly destroys the formatting. LaTeX by comparison does not have this issue.

[whole plover]

it's handy if you need a go between on a php powered site from a file input > output

shell_exec let's you run whatever terminal provided you have it on your web server

with permissions

[glad ruin]

If you've ever tried opening a large (200+ page) document in *Office, you would have likely noticed a significant slowdown. This is another area LaTeX shines. You can split your project across multiple files, with version control, and generate a single pdf.

Anyways...

[glacial wigeon]

ive been wanting to learn latex more, and be able to write something like an SoC datasheet

how would i even begin on something like this, other then just "use photoshop, import"

[blissful roost]

😁👍

[tardy badger]

It fits

The battery will go under the board though

Just doing a PCB and light strip fit test

[tepid crane]

Ohh nice

[old fjord]

PDF isn't read only though. It's basically an Adobe Illustrator file, and vice versa. It's a flowed text format for storing layers and vectors and text. In fact, this misconception leads to fraud in businesses, because Acrobat can be quite a dangerous tool if you manipulate the contents of a PDF.

I think there are some locking and checksum and signature features which I've never seen used to be honest.

I believe if you rename any PDF to AI you can actually open it no problem in Illustrator.

At the place where I work, they only own three Acrobat licenses for this reason. Apart from the relative expense and hassle of Adobe products compared to Microsoft products.

[glad ruin]

That's an excellent question to which I have no answer. I know there are a couple of modules that specialize in creating block diagrams. May look into tikz.

[glacial wigeon]

another problem, that may need to get into turing complex latex... lol
is that i have a bit ugly list of physical addresses for peripherals
sorting it, getting the spacing between them, finding holes, and all that jazz is going to be a pain

if i could just convert a hex value into a coordinate on the diagram, then the drawing engine does everything for me

and i can just SEE the holes and order

[glad ruin]

It's definitely possible. Build times could suffer though.

LuaLaTeX might be able to help you there.

[urban arrow]

Curiousity question - in the cool Factory Footage videos, when showing the "solder fountain" from under the boards, how are the headers held in place up topside? Whenever I have to solder on headers like that myself, they flop all over the place unless I have a shield or something like tape to hold them in place properly...

[glacial wigeon]

one trick ive heard of, is to mis-align some of the holes in the pcb, ever so slightly

so the connector is more wedged in there

if you just have 1 hole off the grid by a small amount

[late fulcrum]

I'm still using GraphViz, would you believe it

[late fulcrum]

Amusingly, someone was just talking about that #help-with-hw-design message

[glad ruin]

That's another good option.

[hasty wedge]

Got a Makey Makey off aliexpress

costs 8 USD

and can be programmed with SparkFun Makey Makey arduino core

This is the only known way of getting a programmable Makey Makey since SparkFun stopped making them a long time ago

[fossil dawn]

since SparkFun stopped makeyng them

[hasty wedge]

You can see the MCU is a genuine AVR instead of some random Taiwanese 16 bits OTP MCU for cost saving on the official Makey Makey board

It has an AVR while still being cheaper than the offical version

official 50 USD Makey Makey: GLOB

come on

[hasty wedge]

(I have a feeling I am probably at the chaotic evil side of makers)

[distant sage]

Hello everyone, I'm terribly sorry if this is the wrong channel.
I'm trying to buy an adafruit product for my boyfriend. I have literally no clue what it is or what it does. I found a distributor for it in my country, but I am not 100% sure if it's the same item.
Could someone help me check? I could post the links if I have permission to do that.

[dusty citrus]

Don't ask to ask
Unless something has changed, there should not be any link block
So just post it

[distant sage]

alright, fair enough.

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5128

https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/en/adafruit-macropad-rp2040-starter-kit-3x4-keys-plus-encoder-plus-oled-11343?search=adafruit&page=2

are these two items the same? the second one not mentioning "ADABOX019" made me question it.

[dusty citrus]

No, but I did use revolut use and throw cards
I dunno how they did manage to get my main card number
I asked adobe, but they straight up refuse to help , revolut didn't know themselves

[dusty citrus]

At a first glance, they look the same thing to me.

[distant sage]

alright, thank you! Not sure what the ADABOX thing is about but I now see that the product codes are the same, too. So I suppose it's alright. Thanks!

[dusty citrus]

I'm not too sure myself what's adabox for, I think it's just some marketing thing
Online I find boxes branded as adabox, and some kind of subscription plan
Doesn't really matter on hw anyway

You may just send a mail to the seller, they usually help out

[fossil dawn]

Adabox is supposed to be some subscription where you get something every x(?) months. But it's kinda on hold currently due to the component shortage. If I understand this correctly, that macropad was in Adabox number 19 so they wrote that into the title (idk why)

[distant sage]

ah I see! thanks for the explanation 😄 I'll just go ahead and order the one from my country, then. Thank you so much both!!

[uncut trench]

@distant sage I'd say there's a very good chance it is the genuine item. My reason for that is that the last item in the Adafruit url is .../5128 so that means 5128 is the Adafruit product ID. Looking at the Kiwi page it has the ident ADA-5128. That's a pretty certain confirmation it's the same thing.

[old fjord]

1. I didn't realize Makey Makeys were still manufactured.

2. I can't believe after all these years they haven't bothered to add key revisions to the product or lower the price.

3. Mini USB in 2023 is an absolute sin.

4. OTP blob is definitely disappointing and reflects poorly on this "STEM" education company. I can imagine a lot of different ways to use $50 for STEM, like buying 12 RPi Picos.

It honestly almost borders on scam pricing territory. Especially since they sell classroom kits at outrageous pricing.

Those things probably cost about $1 to produce.

[hasty wedge]

yeah

aliexpress version is better in every aspect

Reasonably priced, high quality parts, Arduino core available

[old fjord]

Also it doesn't seem that the Makey Makey ever used capacitive touch. It has resistive touch sensing.

[hasty wedge]

Same applies to the Aliexress clone

For capacitive touch I prefer mpr121

[old fjord]

RP2040 has quite a few capacitive touch pins too. 18

[drowsy coyote]

can someone help me, I got the macropad, assembled it, then had some struggles opening the python files and stuff and realized I probably dont need to anyway so I stopped, but now my macropad just says "Done | 8.2.7 Press any key to enter the REPL. Use CTRL-D to reload."

where do i do that? ive tried resetting it ive replugged it in, pressed every button on it and it wont go normal lol

i probably did something wrong with the files is there a way to factory reset it

[old fjord]

On the little OLED screen?

[drowsy coyote]

yes

[old fjord]

That's good. That means Circuit Python is running. What are you planning to do with it?

[drowsy coyote]

well i just downloaded the bundle from the video I was watching, but can't do anything with it because it's in this screen, no?

[old fjord]

Have you referenced the Learn Guide for this product?

[drowsy coyote]

No I have not, but ill check rn

[old fjord]

That little screen you see is a tiny REPL. The REPL is an interpreter interface, where you type code in, it interprets the code, and prints the result.

In order to use the REPL you need to connect to the USB serial on your computer. Basically, a connection between the PC and the REPL, so you could type commands.

This is Mu

[drowsy coyote]

where do i do that

[old fjord]

https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-macropad-rp2040/circuitpython

[drowsy coyote]

just opening the python file?

Do you have to be on a mac to configure it? When I attempt to open the python file it just flashes quickly and goes away

[old fjord]

First, I suggest you read "Getting Started with Circuit Python" because it has all this information ready to go.

https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython/creating-and-editing-code

[drowsy coyote]

ohh the program is MU, im downloading it now lol

[drowsy coyote]

Ok, thank you

[old fjord]

Yeah I was explaining in a confusing way to be honest, but the Learn Guides are professionally written, always go there first.

[drowsy coyote]

Ok haha you're good, I appreciate it

[hasty wedge]

Also, I recommend try out Thonny IDE

Instead of using USB file system I believe it uses low level serial communication for file operation

Which can be more stable

[drowsy coyote]

Is there any way to just factory reset the macro pad

Im so lost rn idk why its still only showing the REPL I have no clue what im doing

rp2040

or reset the files idk

[magic tusk]

Anyone know of any small radiation sensors that arnt made by teviso?

[drowsy coyote]

I have the macro bundles in the files, but no matter what i do or try, it just turns on to "Done | 8.2.7 Press any key to enter the REPL. Use CTRL-D to reload."

Does anything have the macropad and know how to fix

[old fjord]

Simply hold down the boot button while plugging it in to the computer, then drag and drop the original example UF2 file onto the RPi Boot disk drive on your computer.

https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-macropad-rp2040/downloads

The original example UF2 is here.

The "boot button" on macropad is the rotary encoder button. So hold that down when plugging it in to your computer.

[bleak fox]

https://youtu.be/6AgkTdQXFTY?feature=shared

Any opinions on this from the perspectives of professional engineers?

[old fjord]

That's because if you didn't copy or write any code on there, it's literally got nothing to do. All you did was install a fresh version of Circuit Python. The next step would be to write Python code.

By the way, if you need further assistance I would go to the #help-with-circuitpython channel instead of general.

[drowsy coyote]

Thank you

[old fjord]

They don't even explain how it works. Someone in the comments called it a venture capitalist propaganda channel. I think that's true. They're searching for gullible investors. If someone can explain to me how an "analog" computer would work, that would be cool.

The power savings stuff makes no sense to me.

And looking at their website the only thing their platform can do is detect glass breaks.

It's not an analog computer. It's an ultra low power configurable block of circuitry with event detection from analog streams based on ML models Their SDK is in Python.

[drowsy coyote]

Okay, then the videos are just not explanatory enough, all he did was download a bundle put it in and boom done

[tulip citrus]

Hi there. i am looking at using leds in a cosplay and saw a couple of the sword tutuorials. i see most of them have a motion activation to them but im not wanting to include that. is there a simpler version somewhere?

[patent hemlock]

the best advice i'd have is to "just leave it out" -- depending on your needs, you can probably ask more detailed questions in #help-with-projects

[tulip citrus]

Thank you

[rapid geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckleiTxMW6U

mmm, fancy camera is nice

hehe

[slim shard]

I usually panic that I may eventually burn-in the default terminal screen.

[rapid geode]

i have a cinema display that is really bad for burn in. anything left for 4-5 hours is permanent

ha. i have a tiny 1ml sample of grease that came with something and taped to it is a full sheet safety data page all folded up.

[drowsy coyote]

Screen on Macro Pad isn't displaying anything

Was working earlier, now it's not after hours of trying to make it work lol

[rapid geode]

did it accidentally get unplugged?

wire lose, etc

[drowsy coyote]

No

[drowsy coyote]

fixed it sorry

[rapid geode]

O_O

what wasit?

[drowsy coyote]

no clue but i put in the demo UF2 from adafruit downloads and it all came back

[rapid geode]

oh

so, you had put nuew softare one it? cause the usage of the screen is going to be part of that.

[drowsy coyote]

idk what im doing im ngl

i dont remember what broke it

[rapid geode]

haha

[drowsy coyote]

but yea i need the screen

[rapid geode]

🙂

[drowsy coyote]

Ok everytime i put a different UF2 file in, it goes away. When the demo uf2 is loaded onto it, it doesnt show as a drive

this is so confusing

[rapid geode]

not really. whatever is in the ef2 file need sto have a function to use the screen, otherwise it wont. it isnt like a pc where there is a base operating system

[drowsy coyote]

oh... that might make sense lol, do you know why when it is in the demo one it doesnt show in my drives?

[rapid geode]

i dont know that device, but on the Clue for example, it has 2 modes. one "runs the program" and one "behaves as a drive". there is a button to pick which one runs

[drowsy coyote]

oh alr

imma keep trying this for a bit probably wont get anywhere tho lol

[rapid geode]

try a tutorial. it should explain the structure

[rapid geode]

yay, wood things. haha

[uncut trench]

Former professional engineer talking, but I don't think that's going to turn conventional computing on its head. He even said as much in the video, Analog will be able to take over certain tasks that are more suited to Analog (e.g. the alarm system detecting the sound of breaking glass), and then wake up a digital system to do something with that.
They don't appears to be attempting to replace digital computers, just make them more efficient by using low power analog devices to replace higher powered digital devices that do more or less the same job.

e.g. getting back to breaking glass, that could, in theory, be detected by a digital computer, but it'd take a significant amount of power: digitize the sound (continuously), and then do real time analysis looking for that certain sound. That's going to be power hungry, vs their analong device that does the same task at a much lower power budget.

That's my take on this, it's all about power saving and making things more efficient: following a rule that stood me in good stead throughout my career: "Always try to use the correct tool for the job." They've just come up with a tool that is far better, but only for certain tasks.

[late fulcrum]

I may not be a professional engineer, but there's a lot of confusing and insupportable assertions there.

[patent hemlock]

i actually worked briefly with an "analog computer" back in the Dark Ages -- that article is a lot of 🐴 💩 bingo words -- @uncut trench i believe has the correct points

[late fulcrum]

Radio Shack sold a simple analog computer back in the day. Also, analog computers were used for a while in an attempt to model weather patterns, and some weird results ended up kicking off chaos theory.

[tardy badger]

I like this video on analog computers https://youtu.be/GVsUOuSjvcg?si=kmrkaWtCZzoYCNRS

He’s clear that only certain kinds of computing is relevant for analog computers

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-flintstone-abacus-the-flintstones-bookkeeping-calculation-gif-23218851

[late fulcrum]

That looks like digital computing to me (using actual digits, even)

[ebon dew]

Then using my fingers to count is digital computing too. 😄

[glad ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724907591095943228/1165633833958387722/armEKdy_460s.png

[whole plover]

is there an adafruit jobs board?

just trying to raise some coin over the winter months maybe doing some web dev

[zinc solar]

https://www.adafruit.com/careers ?

[whole plover]

thanks

no cans

🙂

[night crescent]

Desk of Ladyada - Cameras and Clean-ups & The Great Search - Replacement 6 Pin GPU Power Connectors https://youtu.be/jYJvRwrufVs

[rapid geode]

purple!

[echo lava]

Guys

[blissful roost]

Finally got the heatsink upgrade installed. 😁👍

[tame coral]

how do i control an servo that goes 360 degrees to an specific point?

[ebon dew]

measure the time it takes to go 360 then activate it for that amount of time. you can get close approximations but will never be 100% repeatable accurate. stepper motors are more accurate for something like that.

[glad ruin]

Or a geared DC motor with an encoder.

[ebon dew]

or like a car engine use a keyed magnetic encoder with a hall effect sensor.

[patent hemlock]

servo motors should always go to an approximation of whatever angle you select (subject to the whims and rounding errors of the libraries)

[glad ruin]

Hobby servos are notoriously imprecise.

[patent hemlock]

hey, i thought i caveated pretty nicely there!

😀

[bright veldt]

does the second law of thermodynamics scientifically validate quality over quantity and laziness, as it is more efficient and less chaotic?

[patent hemlock]

not necessarily - you have to take into account the input energy as well, so you could end up with net negative

[dusty citrus]

Odrive should be able to make that
But I have no direct experience, it's too expensive for me
They use an encoder, if I don't wrongly remember

[rapid geode]

its bleedin!

[supple depot]

when will these be back in stock

[old fjord]

This one is slightly out of date. It is missing important features like native USB support. Do you specifically need this ESP32 versus the latest revisions? Regular ESP32 does have Bluetooth Classic while the S3 has only Bluetooth LE.

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5477

[supple depot]

i need one with 3x uart

[limber dome]

I'm really excited I got one of those 4 inch touch screen boards and the driver circuit for it learning all of bords are really fun.

[late fulcrum]

Software serial won't do?

[limber dome]

I also got a couple of the M0 boards that have the extra ram and memory software serial is part of the code but it will either do the GPS parsing or run the radio no matter what I try it won't do both so I will try it with the M0 LO-RA board

In the end I just want my dog harness to transmit GPS to a receiver with the ESP 32 with an HTML page at an IP address I can access on my network it's quite ambitious for me but one day I would like to see the screen on the receiving ESP 32 that I can view a map at the receiving station with a push button to activate the display. After the difficulties of getting the GPS to transmit over LO-RA I felt a bit discouraged, but I think I will be able to figure it out over time. I like the challenge it's more worthwhile than pointless games.

[worthy magnet]

hrm
ISDN is hard :C

this is rabbit hole

[rapid geode]

hmm, camera is a bit far from the work....

[supple depot]

I need to flash code to it and debug it

[late fulcrum]

I have a spare ISDN modem

[late fulcrum]

You need three UARTs to flash code?

[worthy magnet]

like

The thing is

I wonder if it's possible to get that working in 2023, using modern tech LOL

Albeit, relying on Asterisk and some cisco routers.

tbh I think you can do that; but ISDN spec is all over the place

[late fulcrum]

Presumably you'd still need a hardware interface to demodulate the signal on the copper pair

[worthy magnet]

That's the thing, I can't find any

But probably you could just... Ignore all about metal pair, and just use S/T

which should be possible

[late fulcrum]

I'm assuming you're doing basic ISDN (BRI) with 2 B channels and 1 D channel?

[worthy magnet]

Ye

I wanna put that together to relive some old era (and for convension too!)

(linux terminal ahoy)

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x1106275799

something ike this should work well

[late fulcrum]

Ah, ISDN specific Cisco hardware, I was (wrongly) guessing you wanted to use generic routers and switches.

I was also thinking you might want to try to use Asterisk to decode DPSK in software

[worthy magnet]

I mean if I can obtain VoIP gateway with ISDN capability, might as well 😛

(but that can suck)

[late fulcrum]

It works fine, just moves the ADC and DAC to the phone instead of the CO

[worthy magnet]

what I want to be able to do

• 56K modem without switches... those ISDN switches are expensive af
• wouldn't it be nicer to do a ISDN over SIP?
• since it's still an digital-on-analog

[late fulcrum]

Looks like the signal is less complicated than I thought, it's amplitude modulated with 4 levels (2 bits per frame) at 80k baud (160kbps)

[worthy magnet]

ye

tbh it should be capable...

[late fulcrum]

I don't think SIP supports anywhere near the bandwidth required. And it would be silly to do analog - digital - analog - digital

[worthy magnet]

Anyway I gonna snipe that 4BRI module anyways

[late fulcrum]

Basically ISDN is a modulation technique for a digital signal to squirt it over twisted pair

[worthy magnet]

and think later 😛

it has some use on it

being HWIC is nice

which means that I can virtually use any cheap cisco router and attach

[late fulcrum]

That may be the easy way out

The advantage of Cisco routers is you can tell them what you want to do with the signal, much more flexible than canned ISDN routers

[worthy magnet]

tbh what I think is

Eth -(cisco?)> BRI -> DSU -> TA

and cisco would become cheap man's ISDN U-point emulator 😛

(eventually I will obtain full-fledged ISDN switches... but my lack-of-fund-ness is killing me :P)

[late fulcrum]

I'm on DSL myself, so I'm still using the patch panels I did in the ISDN days, just with different splitter filters

[worthy magnet]

oh nice

tbh this is for reliving ISDN days

so

only internal usage

(and bringing dialup as well to convension :D)

[late fulcrum]

My basement...

[worthy magnet]

oh god

[late fulcrum]

Also this rotary Arduino interface I was building may amuse you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhTC_rIhR4

[worthy magnet]

oh yes

there's this IP gateway

which would be cool to have

but then I really don't have any idea how to emulate INS64 (aka 2B+D)

I mean you could just go full-blown T1 and provide PRI and bridge over

but that's hassle and expensive lol

[worthy magnet]

I gonna blame Q.931

[tardy badger]

I feel like you know you’ve really made it as an open source hardware developer when you start seeing clones on Aliexpress or similar sites

[burnt tendon]

I kinda wish I could jump-start the process. Like "Here's a useful utility board that doesn't exist but I want, can y'all just make a zillion clones without me having to go through the process of making the original business selling the board?"

[tardy badger]

To be clear, this hasn’t happened to me, just a comment about how to know if you’ve been successful lol

[tardy badger]

Would be really convenient

[old fjord]

In the past few years, Microsoft has un-Java'd C# in terms of boilerplate.
These are both Console Hello World templates.

It makes it simultaneously easier and harder to learn. Because it is quite a significant change. But both styles work.

[patent hemlock]

guess what? there's a bunch of Java proposals that are being adopted to make it more like kotlin kotlin fun main() { println("Hello, world!") }

❤️ functional programming

[old fjord]

My highly nuanced opinion is why would anyone want to use Java when .NET exists? 😆

https://www.techspot.com/news/100497-c-catching-up-java-programming-language-popularity-rankings.html

[foggy laurel]

Hookay I went to Adafruit_Blinka to give a heads up about libgpiod but is that a Bug, Feature Request, New Board Request, Forum or Discord 🤣

I think I need a @lilac tangle 👀

[ancient rivet]

what's the heads up?

pi5 / bookworm updates are currently in works for lots of things

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Blinka/pull/728

[foggy laurel]

I've just spent the last month or so getting the Python bindings ship-shape, so you can just pip install gpiod and none of this side-loading nonsense. My patch is looking close to being applied with a new 2.1.0 release to follow. I don't purport to know how this will affect things, but figured I should probably mention it to someone.

Looks like "libgpiod.py" from Raspberry-Pi-Installer-Scripts is pinned at v1.4.2 which is even older than the 1.6.x that ships with Bookworm, so I'm guessing a newer package will be quite painfully incompatible.

Oh sorry 1.4.2 is "legacy"

[ancient rivet]

installer script is also being updated
https://github.com/adafruit/Raspberry-Pi-Installer-Scripts/pull/267

[foggy laurel]

Assuming the compatibility gap can be bridged, side-loading via apt will be redundant

[lusty fossil]

NSFL (not really, mods)

[foggy laurel]

The lugs, they had one job!

[lusty fossil]

Yeah it was not resisting me assuming the resistance I was feeling was just junk in the way and yanking on my machine

[lilac tangle]

Correct and that script is only used when the debian package is unavailable on a particular platform, otherwise we usually recommend apt installing it.

[foggy laurel]

Should just be specifiable as a Python dependency when I'm done, then I can finally migrate all of our drivers 💀 😭

[lilac tangle]

Awesome. I hadn't added it as a dependency yet because it kind of barfed when I tried installing libgpiod via pip.

[foggy laurel]

Yeah it was incredibly broken since the author uploaded it primarily to serve his Yocto-specific use cases, I've just spent a month working on fixing that, among other things. It'll vendor the latest libgpiod, and piwheels - at least on Pi - will take care of the rest.

[lilac tangle]

Thank you

[solar furnace]

Hey y'all

[foggy laurel]

With any luck all this effort actually works and I haven't just painted myself into a corner 🤣

[solar furnace]

Hope y'all are ready for me to constantly talk about synths and other cool noisemakers

[rapid geode]

no. we only talk about gardening and pizza here.

runs

🙂

[solar furnace]

Lol

I'll take it

Anchovies, Pineapples, Ham, and Mushrooms all belong on pizza

[rapid geode]

anchovies? you are dead to me

anyhow. back to work

[solar furnace]

My mom always put it on there, so I grew up with it

Adds a lot of depth to it

[rapid geode]

its always the parent's fault

[rapid geode]

next thing youll tell me is you put ketchup onkraft dinner

[solar furnace]

Does ketchup on eggs count?

I've never had Kraft Dinner

[rapid geode]

yes you have. haha

it just has different names in different countries. every child has had it

even kids in tibet eat it. ;x

*ok maybe not tibet

[solar furnace]

Like the Mac and Cheese?

Maybe Hamburger Helper

[rapid geode]

boxed mac n cheese

[umbral phoenix]

i've never had it either, and I'm in the US

[solar furnace]

I don't put ketchup on Mac N Cheese

[rapid geode]

ok. that is good

but you admitted to putting it on eggs... so

[solar furnace]

Is that actually controversial?!

I thought my teacher made it up

[rapid geode]

haha

[solar furnace]

She was calling me weird for ketchup

[rapid geode]

i think its normal on scrambled eggs. i just dont like ketchup (or tomatoes in general)

[solar furnace]

I put it on all types

[rapid geode]

although, i make pink sauce, whihc is tomato and cream and romano cheese, so it may as well be mac n cheese with ketchup. hehe.

now im hungry

[tardy badger]

Ketchup belongs on only a few things

[solar furnace]

True

[tardy badger]

Pasties (Cornish pasties), fries, hot dogs, burgers. And any hotdog variation like corn dogs

[rapid geode]

hotdongs belong in the wastebin

and givign them to children is a form of abuse

😛

[umbral phoenix]

in Chicago, there's a good chance you will be shunned and scorned if you put ketchup on a hot dog

(I don't subscribe to that opinion)

[tardy badger]

I like a good bratwurst with fermented cabbage and mustard

[supple depot]

no I need one to upload code and than I need one to debug code and another one for a serial connection

[whole plover]

fooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

[rapid geode]

i just ordered a pineapple and ham pizza 😛

nom

[tranquil swallow]

Kraft dinner powder is vile

[patent hemlock]

take out (take away) burgers with fries that are better than Mickey D's on their best day

[rapid geode]

almost everything is better than mcdonalds... except burger king

im amazed burgerking is legally allowed to be called food

[glad ruin]

Taco Bell isn't, hence the reason they invented "fourthmeal".

[rapid geode]

im not sure ive ever been to taco bell

[rapid geode]

some of the worst food ive ever had was in the US. (sorry). one place served me a microwaved mini pizza and some ice berg lettuce as a "pizza with cesar salad"

[tardy badger]

💀

No slight on our part, we love our garbage food here lol

[rapid geode]

hehe

[tardy badger]

Well, a lot of Americans do

I don’t eat Taco Bell

I don’t even eat chipotle

[rapid geode]

we have garbage food at the grocery store, but usually in a restaurant there is a level of standard.

mcdonalds is our bottom, and honestly they are fine. (i just dont happen to like that kind of food)

[tardy badger]

There are decent restaurants here, but there are also bad ones

[rapid geode]

ive been to lots of nice restaurants in the us too.

[tardy badger]

The big issue where I live is the management of the restaurants is usually 18 year olds because no older person can afford to live in my area on a restaurant managers salary

[rapid geode]

when i lived in LA i did notice some grocery food was very different. something is way wrong with your milk haha

[tardy badger]

Some milk brands apparently have titanium dioxide in it

But it’s also ultra pasteurized here

[rapid geode]

ah, yeah this may be part of it. restaurants here are eithe rbig chains, or run by the owner usually.

[tardy badger]

Which changes the flavor a lot

[rapid geode]

it tasted weird, but also it would spoil in 2 days

filtered milk here last like a month

[tardy badger]

My milk usually lasts 2-3 weeks

[rapid geode]

(not heat treat, that stuff is werid)

[tardy badger]

But leave it out too long one day and it’ll spoil faster

[glad ruin]

Chipotle is at least decent. Like, you can leave things off and their cheese isn't orange slime.

[fossil dawn]

Burger King in Germany 💀 😂

[tardy badger]

Chipotle has pretty high rates of salmonella outbreaks which is fascinating

[glad ruin]

Wait... do they seriously do that to whiten it?

[tardy badger]

Some brands, yea

[glad ruin]

[rapid geode]

burger king made (makes?) a "chicken" sandwich that im pretty sure is vegan... cause theyre aint no chicken in it.

what is the titnaium for, colouring it white?

[tardy badger]

It makes things whiter

[rapid geode]

im pretty sure our milk is only allowed to be milk. whats why it was a big fight on the nafta thing. we dont want your milk hahaha 😛

[tardy badger]

Yeah

I don’t even want the milk here

[rapid geode]

i dont drink milk. but i use it in cooking

i only use maybe 2L a month

[tardy badger]

I usually don’t drink milk because it tears my digestive track up

[umbral phoenix]

I go through about 2 gallons of milk per week, but it's organic from local dairy, much better than grocery store milk

[tardy badger]

Sometimes I get ice cream

[fossil dawn]

here, they lost the "vegan" label for their vegan products because they were caught just giving vegan orders the animal meat

[rapid geode]

ah. i do lots of dairy. cheeses mostly

[umbral phoenix]

yeah, cheese is a Good Thing. and (rich / premium) ice cream

[rapid geode]

yeah. one of the places was cooking the vegan burgers in the oil with the beefs. so clueless

[fossil dawn]

that too

[rapid geode]

"premium" ice cream... or as it's called: ice cream.

[umbral phoenix]

well, there is regular ice cream... not worth it

[rapid geode]

i dont think the other stuff is allowed to be caled ice cream

dairy dessert or some nonsense

[umbral phoenix]

in the US they call stuff ice cream that fits the rules, but just isn't very satisfying

[rapid geode]

we have some pretty strict rules for this and im happy about that.

yeah. the ice cream i buy is store brand vanilla. expensive, but good. (similar price to hagendaz)

much better than hagen dasz too

mmmmmmmmm

i want some now

[solar furnace]

My family usually gets Publix French vanilla or Moose Tracks

[rapid geode]

i dont think we have that brand

[tardy badger]

I usually eat meadow gold ice cream

[solar furnace]

Publix is a atore, so it's just generic, also

[rapid geode]

oooh

[tardy badger]

It’s usually very creamy and delicious

[rapid geode]

ok

[solar furnace]

I love Publix

[rapid geode]

ha

[tardy badger]

Publix cookies on point

[solar furnace]

People in my area are starting to agree, which sucks, now they never have any cuban sandwiches

[tardy badger]

Publix cakes.. disgusting

[solar furnace]

Fr

Those cookies are my favorite cookie texture

Kinda moist, but still a nice amount of crunch

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[solar furnace]

Also their sushi is okay

A good quick lunch

[tardy badger]

Their cakes are just so sickeningly sweet

[rapid geode]

mmm cake

[solar furnace]

I don't like icing

[tardy badger]

As I’ve got older, I’ve sort of gained an aversion to cake

[rapid geode]

i just ate a whole pizza. oof.

ha

[tardy badger]

It just doesn’t check the box anymore

[rapid geode]

i like pies more than cakes

[tardy badger]

Same

[rapid geode]

i need to make more pumpkin tarts but the store was out of pumpkin

[tardy badger]

I’ve asked for a key lime pie for my birthday which is like.. 10ish days away

[rapid geode]

oooh

[solar furnace]

Key Lime Pie is amazing

Top 3 desert

[tardy badger]

I’ve settled that my wife can make either the creamy key lime or the type I like the most which is a key lime meringue pie

[solar furnace]

1. Peach Cobbler
2. Cookie Brownies
3. Key Lime Pie

[rapid geode]

i had key lime pie yogurt a few weeks ago... it was weird, it really did taste like a pie

[solar furnace]

Pie flavored yogurt is a weird theme I've noticed

Had a Boston Creme Pie yogurt this morning

[tardy badger]

But a delicious theme

[rapid geode]

lemon pie, blueberry pie, pumpkin pie.

ha

they other one was raspberrty white chocolate cheesecake yogurt

[tardy badger]

S’mores yogurt is one that I struggle to get behind though

[rapid geode]

(they were on sale)

ha

[solar furnace]

Ooo Pumpkin Pie

Can't wait for Costco to bring it back

[tardy badger]

My Costco has the massive ones already

[solar furnace]

Like single digits for a massive pie

[rapid geode]

our thanksgiving has past, so the pumpkins are gone 😦

[tardy badger]

😦

So what, Halloween and then up goes the Christmas tree?

[rapid geode]

pretty much

[tardy badger]

You’ve already checked the American box of it has to come after thanksgiving and Halloween lol

[rapid geode]

with poppies in between although thats not a shopping holiday

[tardy badger]

Veterans Day?

[rapid geode]

rememberance day its called

i think its the same day

[tardy badger]

Nov 11th?

[rapid geode]

end of ww1

yeah

[tardy badger]

Ah yeah

Veterans Day for us

Since we’ve fought in a lot of wars

[rapid geode]

haha

sigh

just dont start anymore in a walmart parking lot

[tardy badger]

I think we’ve been at war in some form or another since our founding, nearly as long as it took the Holy Roman Empire to fall

[rapid geode]

its not a war, it is a playful holiday

[tardy badger]

Ha

Anyway, I’m planning to put up Christmas decorations on my birthday as is tradition for me to do it the first weekend of November

So I can really enjoy it and be ready to take it down by new years

[rapid geode]

ha

i dont put any decorations or tree up

[tardy badger]

It really upsets a lot of people too, added bonus

[rapid geode]

cant be bothered

[tardy badger]

It’s just you though?

So not really a need to

[rapid geode]

you need a musical neopixel lights show on the front of the house

[tardy badger]

Would be funny to do

[rapid geode]

4 down, 496 to go....

[tardy badger]

Looks good

[rapid geode]

(actually ive done about 70 aready)

the red is scrapped ones. the grain broke / chipped

the cedar had a lot of microsplits that you cant really see until you cut.

[tardy badger]

Ah yeah, that makes sense

[rapid geode]

gonna take about 2 days for this operation. then i move on to engraving. wooo

cedar ones will be one or both of these.

[solar furnace]

Any Eurorack Fans here?

[rapid geode]

i dont even know what that is

[solar furnace]

Wish Adafruit has stuff for it

[solar furnace]

Modular Synth Format based on old server rack standards

[rapid geode]

oh

[solar furnace]

Very cool, if you like electronic music you should look into it

As long as you're willing to lose your money and sanity

[rapid geode]

i dont like electronics or music. combining them would not compute....

runs

[solar furnace]

lol

[glad ruin]

https://imgur.com/Ehoffil

[solar furnace]

I LOVE ANGRY CATSS!!

[rapid geode]

dont make cats angy. they control the govermint and will ruin your life

[glad ruin]

[solar furnace]

Already have

Every morning I wake up to a new scratch

[solar furnace]

Cats are so cute

[burnt tendon]

So, technically, depending on the exact schedule, if you put up lights now, they'll generally be up for Diwali.

[whole plover]

I don't celebrate diwali

[late fulcrum]

I sometimes do. While it's not my culture, it's a celebration of light, and I love light.

[blissful roost]

I move into a place where a lot of my neighbours do it, so will I.

Still won't do the Xmas thing, because reasons.

[jagged citrus]

i found this extension that adds mr beast to every youtube video

[tardy badger]

I like my stolen and repurposed holiday lol

I’ve personally repurposed my stolen and repurposed holiday

[blissful roost]

I don't care in the slightest for commercial "celebrations".

Very meh.

[pallid orbit]

I kind of like halloween for the creativity that comes out of the holiday in costumes, but otherwise I don't even like birthdays much less highly-commercialized ones

[tardy badger]

Technically speaking, Christmas wasn’t supposed to be commercial. It was just a way of integrating pagans into Christianity. Capitalism is responsible for commercializing basically every holiday. Most holidays had benign cultural or spiritual origins

Even in the US, things like the 4th of July is now more about selling BBQs and fireworks than anything 😛

[blissful roost]

Ohh, I know.

[tardy badger]

For me, personally I like the Christmas season because for whatever reason it’s one time of the year where people often put aside differences to help people. Which for some reason can’t happen all year..

It happens less so these days, but it does seem many people are a little more charitable

[solar furnace]

I still don't know what I'm gonna be for Halloween

Was thinking Leatherface

[tardy badger]

I’m gonna be a disappointment

💀