general-chat

[raw jasper]

gamer arduino uno? :P

On the other hand, I'd love a case with something like this
https://hackaday.com/2010/04/22/usb-vu-meter/

I mean, it wouldn't be hard to make by hand. I could actually try it!

[blissful roost]

Noice

I want the blinkenlights because I had a BeBox.

[raw jasper]

Have you checked out haiku?

It's surprisingly usable!

(I actually daily drove it on a spare notebook for fun a few years ago)

[blissful roost]

Yeah.. couldn't find a reason to actually use it though.

[wanton thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-fan-wall-corsair-fans-ll-rgb-fans-corsair-fan-wall-corsair-rgb-gif-13435146

[blissful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotoad-futurama-gif-20673964

[spice moss]

https://tenor.com/view/rog-fan-rgbfan-rgbeverything-rgbon-gif-21373035

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/zebra-furby-furby-zebra-gif-22814894

[blissful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/must-unsee-spongebob-washing-eyes-cant-look-gif-14237119

[blissful roost]

lol

[raw jasper]

I mean, I threw it at an old notebook. You could try using it to revive one

[blissful roost]

I have Mint 19.x running on my Pentium M laptops.

If I recall, I got stuck on a version lock... between the kernel and the legacy nvidia drivers.

[raw jasper]

Do you need hardware acceleration?

[blissful roost]

I can't progress past that, because 32bit.

[raw jasper]

Oh.

[blissful roost]

For regular desktop stuff?? Probably not. 😛

[raw jasper]

haiku-os has 32-bit builds if you're interested

[late fulcrum]

Good use for something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/154784514406

[blissful roost]

Not bad...

[raw jasper]

Run a kernel compile for an instant disco feel!

[late fulcrum]

I'll admit, that was a lot of the appeal for this working scale model PDP 11/70

[blissful roost]

Ohhh! Sexeh

[blissful roost]

I'm thinking more DIY, as I wanted to be really daft and have a gradient to the LEDs. 😛

[late fulcrum]

You've got me thinking, maybe one of those IN-13 neon bargraph displays as a CPU meter...

[raw jasper]

Have you programmed the real thing?

[blissful roost]

Not familiar with that..

[late fulcrum]

I only had a tiny amount of time on a real PDP-11/70, I spent most of my time on the department's VAX-11/780

I did log a lot of hours on a PDP-11/23 and a PDP-11/05 previously, however

[blissful roost]

Nixie thing?

[late fulcrum]

The PDP-11/23 was running AT&T v7 Unix, the VAX was running BSD, and the 11/05 was running a bizarre system by LeCroy Research called ORACL

Related to nixies, but a true bargraph display that illuminated a greater or lesser length depending on the current through it http://m.bareille.free.fr/vu-in13/vumeter_in13.htm

[blissful roost]

Fair.

I'm not into the whole tube lamp thing.. doesn't appeal to me.

[late fulcrum]

Whereas I really enjoy many flavors of high voltage glowy things. Different strokes for different folks.

[raw jasper]

This is a completely silly question, but is there a PDF reader that supports regex search?

[late fulcrum]

The last time I did something like that, I used Python and PDFPlumber, which is likely overkill (in one axis) and not a PDF reader (in another axis)

[frozen shell]

how to subcribe data from indicator in io.adafruit

[raw jasper]

I solved my problem by getting the webpage corresponding to the PDF with w3m, saving the text in a file with a bash redirect, and then finding with vim

[late fulcrum]

I've also been known to just select all the text, paste it into a text document, and search that

[patent hemlock]

iirc most browsers support searching PDFs

[blissful roost]

Yeah, but whether that search supports regex..

[raw jasper]

It doesn't

[patent hemlock]

derp - reading comprehension in weekend mode 😏

[blissful roost]

🤪

[raw jasper]

(Unless there's some awesome firefox addon I don't know about)

[Yes, I still use firefox]

[blissful roost]

I only use Firefox.

[raw jasper]

I have chrome installed because it's the new IE and some websites only work with it

[patent hemlock]

speaking of blinkin lights - foreground is a pimoroni LED shim showing CPU temp of the pi 3 (under the crickit) - the background is a 128x128 OLED showing luminosity, both on a Pi 4 (i2c)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/82LfMzxP7CLK8mw66

[raw jasper]

Speaking of the crickit, I just looked it up and its marketing description made me smile

[patent hemlock]

it's a fun piece, for sure

[raw jasper]

I'd make robots if I had the time

(and disposable income! Robot parts ain't cheap!)

:P

[patent hemlock]

which is why i'm dyi-ing with knockoff lego tchnic

[raw jasper]

I had no idea "knockoff lego technic" was a thing

[patent hemlock]

you can literally buy "compatible" stuff by the pound

[raw jasper]

The old sentence made it sound like the knockoff bricks were so bad they were metaphorically killing you

[patent hemlock]

nope - only the new callous on my right index finger from pulling stuff apart 🤌

[raw jasper]

You gotta get a lattice fpga and make robots with weird logic

[patent hemlock]

i have to build something that won't torque itself apart first

[raw jasper]

Is that user or knockoff brick error?

[patent hemlock]

😊 user

getting re-acquainted with the notions of angular inertia and momentum, and "moment arm" incidents

[raw jasper]

My kinematics is not up to speed

I haven't thought about this stuff since high school

[patent hemlock]

same - "i didn't think it was supposed to fling itself across the room"

[raw jasper]

Newton intensifies

[patent hemlock]

gear ratios? i got into programming to avoid math!

[raw jasper]

I remember having to solve a programming exercise involving gears way back when

[fierce prawn]

Yay i will get my first board sooner

[raw jasper]

I hope you'll enjoy them!

[raw jasper]

FYI, your tracking number is visible.

This could be used to derive personal info about you (address etc) if punched into the delivery portal

PSE delete the picture & censor

[fierce prawn]

Oh yes
I checked with support and they kept argue with me there's no new tracking number
This is the code used by the intermediary courier to deliver to the airport

[raw jasper]

I mean, delete that picture, it has the tracking number showing!

[fierce prawn]

But I mean that doesn't have my address and it just shows what is my country

It's an old tracking id

And the new courier is lazy to assign new id

[raw jasper]

I have no idea how couriers work in your country; In mine, as long as you have a recent enough tracking ID, you can get the person's address

[fierce prawn]

True but there are lazy sometime
Some courier service also throws your package
So I hope I don't get that or the whole thing is bubble wrapped

[late fulcrum]

Then those sites aren't ADA compliant (which means nothing if they're not US sites, and little even if they are, even though it's technically against the rules)

[raw jasper]

No, they are not US sites. And, sadly, the web is so broken that following the WCAG requires a small team dedicated to just that

Having had to use accessibility software at some points in my life to use a computer, I can tell you that most of the web definitely is not friendly to anything other than mouse + keyboard or touch screen

Do you have the slightest idea of how many menus disappear if the browser window loses focus?

[split light]

I just might! Thanks for the suggestion

[late fulcrum]

I do have some idea of that, both from working with people needing various assistive/accessibility software, and crawling sites for search engines.

[steady dove]

👋 @late fulcrum

[worthy magnet]

I wonder if it's possible to let IO expander control the SPI CS lines.

[thick wind]

Not for hardware spi, but software spi might be possible.

[crystal ore]

Even hardware SPI should work okay. You'd just flip the CS line in software at the start of the transaction, then kick off the hardware SPI to control the clock and data, then when it's done manually control CS again. There's usually not any timing constraint between CS and the other signals.

[worthy magnet]

I thought so
I was thinking how should I use remaining 8bit on MCP23017

I think esp32 is lenient on however we do at CS

Synchronous bus is fun 😉

[fierce prawn]

The package arrived
Will get from my friend tomorrow at school lol

[wanton thistle]

nice

[ebon dew]

MCP23017 has an issue where pin 7 can only be used as an output not an input or something like that. Well you can but depending on what batch you got the chip in it might cause random issues. The issue is well known and goes back a decade. If it's your first time working with the MCP23017 it's something to be made aware of.

https://hackaday.com/2023/02/03/mcp23017-went-through-shortage-hell-lost-two-inputs/

[raw jasper]

Something probably went wrong during the multi-corner timing analysis for that part...

[ebon dew]

The problem goes back a decade. They only just this year actually documented it in the datasheet.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I'm just trying to make an educated guess on how that kind of error happened

Don't mind me, just trying to apply the vlsi stuff I'm trying to pick up on the side

:)

[ebon dew]

management... it's quite obvious they would have known about it and swept it under the rug for increased profilts.

[raw jasper]

I guess rushed product development would be one part

[ebon dew]

Don't get me wrong they're amazing chips, I love them and will use them anyway but now at least I know to avoid using that pin as an input.

[raw jasper]

But I'm surprised they haven't revised the design since

[ebon dew]

maybe someday, would be nice. there are alternatives and that's kind of the problem. by admitting the issue they'd lose to their closest competitor for a real 8 input 8 output multiplexer.

[worthy magnet]

Oh yeah, that, rev.D

[worthy magnet]

I have RevC so it's not affected
But still, I need to think about using full-8bit as a input
Probably remap that GPA0..3 and GPB0..3 can be used for input

Two reads are same as one when you set bulk-read set 🙂

[fathom dome]

where can i find good quality of WS2812B Led Strings? 🙂

[patent hemlock]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5225

[fathom dome]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WS2811-Pixels-digital-Addressable-String/dp/B00MXW054Y/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ws2812b+led+strip&qid=1684179453&s=lighting&sr=1-4

was looking for these

[shadow siren]

those are on aliexpress
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002136409104.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.113.1f4f711fIzsfvu&algo_pvid=77028373-9ae1-450a-88a4-29a9fb9f04d1&algo_exp_id=77028373-9ae1-450a-88a4-29a9fb9f04d1-56&pdp_npi=3%40dis!CAD!36.62!18.31!!!!!%40211bd8be16841834420815272d07c3!12000018860797802!sea!CA!1684980546&curPageLogUid=BQEGsO3pW2rS

There is ton of different suppliers of those waterproof outdoor leds

[neon wadi]

If I wanted to use this sensor in esp-idf instead of arduino, How difficult would it be? or should I just drop my distaste for the arduino ide and use that https://www.adafruit.com/product/2542

This is somethjing Ive struggled with, should you just use the ide with the libraries or is there a way to get it to work as easily?

holy crap, someone figured it out last year. https://github.com/sukesh-ak/Arduino-Library-with-IDF

[honest jolt]

Usually I end up using PlatformIO so I can still use the Arduino framework while having a project-based approach and being able to use software like VS Code or CLion then the Arduino IDE.

Plus, there is autocomplete 🤩

[late fulcrum]

Heh, like the 65C51 UART?

[late fulcrum]

It's basically a serial device, so it's not hard to talk to. I integrated one into a MSP430 project with no issues. However, it only supports older cellular protocols that are no longer in use in much of the world.

[honest jolt]

Was this the center of a Ben Eater video recently, sounds familiar

[fresh niche]

Yea the rs232 serial interface video i believe

[late fulcrum]

Yup. The 2007 data sheet didn't mention the issue, but the 2021 data sheet did, or something like that. I'm kind of tempted to see if it can work with interrupts (either by polling the interrupt status bits or using the interrupt directly)

[fierce prawn]

I added homeassistant mqtt discovery to my device but not the actual function yet

[tardy badger]

Me: removes major stress from my life
My body: does a cortisol dump
Me: gets sick

[fierce prawn]

Work in progress

[raw jasper]

Hope you feel better soon 🍵

[tardy badger]

Thanks! Mostly hurts to talk right now, the starts of a dull headache as well. Hopefully it’s just one of those one or two day things

I usually work in a crowded lab so it’s a sick day today

[fierce prawn]

Feel well soon
Drink much water
And eat medication and food on time

[raw jasper]

oof. Hopefully it's not viral

[tardy badger]

I hope not as well

But I’m staying home just in case

[raw jasper]

Sadly, it seems that the coronavirus is working overtime where I live

That aside, make sure to take good care of yourself

[tardy badger]

My body is going to pick up any combination it can with stress levels dropping

[rapid geode]

i use anti virus softwar eto stop covid

mostly the software just says "dont go outside"

[raw jasper]

I have opted for a hardware-accelerated solution. I hope it continues to be effective

[tardy badger]

Lol

I was really looking forward to today because my manager is buying pizza for our team meeting

[raw jasper]

Now I want pizza

[rapid geode]

mmm pizza

[urban arrow]

Had a stinking cold for 2 weeks, but short-lived sore throat is gone. Life goes on... plenty of "sitting feeling sorry for myself, and programming Ard/CP when I can think..."

[tardy badger]

Yeah.. that’s the hard part is thinking straight when it feels like you’re swallowing every 2 seconds

[urban arrow]

Anyways, I've been "lucky" for a couple years. No colds/flu - but my wife got the flu and I did not. I was also hospitalized 2 years ago (surgery), and tested like 8 times for covid, always negative. I guess I was due. The wife got the cold first then sure enough I did...🙁

[tardy badger]

Cortisol dumps get me every time

Add in allergy season and I’m wrecked for a few days

[tardy badger]

attempting to keep my mind busy with not feeling all that great

I've been wanting to do a SAMD11 board so I made a little shim

[late fulcrum]

It looks like there may be just enough room to make it narrower, so it takes up one less row when plugged into a breadboard.

[tardy badger]

perhaps, there's still a bit of space available for sure

and at $4 from oshpark, not terrible price wise.

[late fulcrum]

Sweet. Other than the USB connector, it looks hand solderable, but of course it would be easier with solder paste and hot air/hot plate/oven

Why the bounce in the traces here?

[tardy badger]

🤷‍♂️

No reason really

Other than just trying to keep the distance between traces somewhat consistent

Other than that no real reason

The distance is so short and the speed is so slow it makes no difference lol

[late fulcrum]

I probably care more about the æsthetics of routing than I need to.

[tardy badger]

Good looking boards are always nice to achieve, I can’t argue with the aesthetics bit

[raw jasper]

I'm curious, is LVS (layout vs schematic) a thing done in PCB design too?

[tardy badger]

In a way

You typically do your schematic and then do the board layout against that schematic

[raw jasper]

Does the tool check they agree?

[tardy badger]

Yes

As well as determining if your board design follows DRC

[raw jasper]

Interesting!

[raw jasper]

There's an observation to be made in jest here that IC design is just PCB design with more layers

[late fulcrum]

Similar kinds of spatial reasoning and problem solving, but with some fun extra dimensions.

[raw jasper]

Have you ever done IC layout? Just curious

[half plank]

I am using the Round rect screen from the store, and I am trying to get a pic from a sd card to wirte to the screen. I keep getting"Initializing filesystem...SD begin() failed
" in the serial monitor. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong

[tardy badger]

At you using it with Arduino?

[half plank]

Yes, arduino uno

[tardy badger]

Hmm okay, and you’re hooking up the SPI pins in the right order and toggling the SD CS pin?

[half plank]

I don't know exactly what that means, but I have the SD CS pin hooked up to Digital 4 and I am using the pinout provided on the learn guide.

DC -- 8
RST -- 9
TFCS -- 10

[tardy badger]

Do you have a picture of your setup (maybe we should move this to #help-with-arduino as well)

[half plank]

ok i will se if i can get a picture onto here

[tardy badger]

👍🏻

[half plank]

Is that good the power wires are connected in the back

Should i move to the help-with-arduino chat

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[half plank]

Ok I have transfered our conversation there

[late fulcrum]

I haven't done IC layouts myself, but I've read a few books on the subject and follow Ken Shirriff's reverse chip engineering blog.

[raw jasper]

I didn't know about his blog, thanks for mentioning it!

I have Weste and Harris in my library, with a Plan[tm] to eventually go through it

[late fulcrum]

Hans Camenzind's books are a good read too

[raw jasper]

Oh, I have no idea about anything analog

And now is a 555 timer IC as far as I'm concerned :P

[raw jasper]

(He literally has a book called "designing analog chips". That could certainly help remedy that :P)

It's even free!
http://www.designinganalogchips.com/_count/designinganalogchips.pdf

[raw jasper]

Does anyone happen to know which phone the windows 95/98/XP phone icon is based on? Talking about this one

(I'm not talking about the modem on the bottom, I'd just like to get myself that phone if it ever was real)

[patent hemlock]

AT&T/Bell Labs probably - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-button_telephone

[raw jasper]

Did that ever come in yellow?

(Looks like it)

[An used one costs $200. No thanks.]

[patent hemlock]

my first "intro" to robotics was a panel where they demonstrated radio control using DTMF tones

[raw jasper]

I remember reading that in your robotics github repo when you linked to it

[patent hemlock]

😊

[raw jasper]

(Also, mystery solved! Thanks! Living in Europe, I've never seen that particular phone)

[fair summit]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1422205068/working-restored-itt-model-2500

"Butter Yellow"

[patent hemlock]

goldenrod and avacado were the biggies at one point 🤮

[raw jasper]

Yeah, sadly it's collectible enough to be way too expensive.

[fair summit]

They probably manufactured 10's or 100's of millions, but they were owned by The Phone Company and probably mostly taken back

[raw jasper]

Yeah, that makes sense

[patent hemlock]

iirc that was the case

[raw jasper]

Pop quiz! Who still has a landline?

I technically do. It's VoIP though

But there's an RJ11 on the router I can connect, and have connected, a real phone to it

[solar kindle]

You could always print one. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4220485

[raw jasper]

Almost no company offers real POTS these days :(

[raw jasper]

If only I had a 3D printer

(Thanks for the link though!)

[patent hemlock]

i grew up near a phone exchange - the manager let a group of us in to see the batteries 👀

[raw jasper]

The fact that it still works during a power outage is a big selling point for real POTS service

I actually had a real connection up to 2020, but I had to migrate to VoIP because I changed providers

[solar kindle]

And... I'm wondering if creating a Get Smart shoe phone is actually practical now.

[raw jasper]

LOL

[patent hemlock]

yes/no?

[raw jasper]

Depends. Does it still have to work as a shoe?

[patent hemlock]

you can pack all the stuff into just the heel - most of a phone these days is the screen

[raw jasper]

you're probably right

....and then make it controllable via a smartphone, completely negating its point

[patent hemlock]

smart watch

[raw jasper]

I've never bought one

[hasty quarry]

I wouldn't consider myself highly experienced in handling electronics, but I kind of wonder if it'd be stupid to make my own bridge rectifier and inputting my wall to it. Is that probably a bad idea?

[raw jasper]

I'd recommend against playing with mains voltage if you don't have the relevant experience

Power supplies are cheap, and always a better option than potentially risking death

[hasty quarry]

I could really die doing that? I really don't know how likely that is

[raw jasper]

I mean, mains power is no joke

[hasty quarry]

What would kill me? Getting cooked from completing the circuit? A fire?

[raw jasper]

Probably completing a circuit with the mains

[patent hemlock]

cardiac arrest is the usual outcome

[hasty quarry]

I did it on accident once and my vision went black instantly. Luckily I let go quickly. So yeah, it's scary, I agree

[raw jasper]

You were lucky

Usually the electrical current interferes with normal muscle control, locking your muscles and not allowing you to let go

[hasty quarry]

Oh, I've heard of that

A friend of mine wants nothing to do with electricity because his dad saved him from that when he was young and he says the way his hands did their own thing was horrific

[raw jasper]

Yeah muscle contraction is electricity-based

[acoustic pawn]

watch electroboom's video on making a FBR

[hasty quarry]

Let's say I take precautions necessary to not complete a circuit, what could go the worst from attempting to rectify mains myself?

[hasty quarry]

Oh

[raw jasper]

(Before anyone corrects me, I know that is not entirely true. What's fair to say is that a big contributor to muscle contraction signalling is electricity, and there's an ionic component to the muscle contraction cycle itself)

[acoustic pawn]

those are some of the more stupid risks, but they are risks nonetheless

[fair summit]

If your device fails, it could start a fire, trip the breaker, etc. It could also expose mains voltage to the person handling the device when it is in normal use

[acoustic pawn]

a fuse and inrush current limiter would make it a little safer

[patent hemlock]

and note that the fire would start at a weak point, so it wouldn't even be near to where you're messing with things

[hasty quarry]

What tends to be a weak point in a house

[acoustic pawn]

but you're always better off with a power supply

[hasty quarry]

The transformer?

[acoustic pawn]

unless you need 170V DC

[raw jasper]

The wiring itself

If the fuse fails

[acoustic pawn]

maybe contacts

[raw jasper]

Yeah, contacts too

[acoustic pawn]

contact resistance can cause heating and 🔥

[raw jasper]

Anyway, all fuses, except for the GFCI, are to protect the house from catching on fire, not you

[acoustic pawn]

probably if you want to do stuff with mains, be on a gfci protected circuit

[raw jasper]

Just don't do it at all w/o the proper training

[hasty quarry]

I guess I won't go through with it

Although I'm curious, are there certifications for this or something that could provide me with the knowledge to do this safely?

[solar kindle]

I mean, this could easily fit in the heel.

[acoustic pawn]

same. Any certification or safety things for working with mains

[raw jasper]

Well, I guess going to trade school to become an electrician would be a start

[fair summit]

"transformerless" radios and the like were made in the past, but they depended on being in a completely non-conducting case, non-conducting knobs, etc. any failure (like dropping the case and cracking it) was potentially lethal. They were designed for cost reduction. They were bad designs then, and they are bad designs now.

[raw jasper]

Oh no. I need to be more careful around unknown old radios

[hasty quarry]

Sorry, you sure that's meant to reply to me?

[fair summit]

also called "AC-DC"

[acoustic pawn]

Maybe getting some measurement and other equipment like a variac, GFCI, fuses, current monitor, some sort of configurable overcurrent shutoff might be good for safety

[raw jasper]

Just forget about it :)

[hasty quarry]

I guess I'll consult an electrician if I really want to do this sort of thing. That should work out best, right

[fair summit]

not an electrician, a EE

experienced in power supply design

[hasty quarry]

All the way, an EE?

Oh, right

[raw jasper]

You'll probably never need to do that, unless you're developing a product commercially that has special power needs

So many power supply modules to choose from!

[acoustic pawn]

most SMPS designs are very similar

FBR, bulk caps, step down flyback, feedback, output

of course there's more stuff

but that's the basic design

[hasty quarry]

I've been really curious about the way transformers work. Mostly because I learned about Maxwell's laws and magnetic flux and whatnot recently

But why's there a sort of stigma around transformers?

[raw jasper]

I mean, SPICE is a thing

You can simulate what you need to learn there

[hasty quarry]

That they'll kill you instantly

[raw jasper]

Well, if the voltage / current combination is sufficient, they can definitely do that

[hasty quarry]

Microwaves. That's the context I was told that in

[raw jasper]

A "microwave transformer" (ie. a transformer used in microwave ovens) definitely fulfills the criteria to be deadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBeSKL9zVro

[patent hemlock]

there's a stigma around transformers connected to mains - that's a lot of (pun intended) potential for a lot of energy

[thick wind]

Transformers for microwaves usually have a high-voltage secondary winding that generates something in the range of 2-3kV, iirc

[hasty quarry]

I'll definitely watch that video, but in microwaves, do the transformers intend to turn the flux into a higher voltage signal, or lower?

[hasty quarry]

Oh.

[thick wind]

Not something to be playing with without some research.

[patent hemlock]

microwaves cook food - you are no different from food

[hasty quarry]

Is this just something that's usually done to make super powerful frequencies?

X-ray machines and such too?

Wait, I misplaced them, those aren't as powerful (x-rays I mean)

Well thanks for the video ningen, that's pretty much what I was looking for

[raw jasper]

No problem, just make sure to take care of yourself, and don't do anything reckless

Definitely try SPICE to simulate and learn, though!

[hasty quarry]

Curious, is your name "humans" in Japanese on purpose

[raw jasper]

Human being, singular

And, yeah

[hasty quarry]

Ah, alright

no plurals gets me again

[raw jasper]

I mean, you can form collective nouns with 〜たち or 〜ら, but it's usually not needed

[hasty quarry]

Right

[raw jasper]

Anyway, some options to set up some SPICE simulations:
https://xschem.sourceforge.io/stefan/index.html
https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/design-tools-and-calculators/ltspice-simulator.html

[hasty quarry]

I haven't really gotten used to when it's more or less proper to use those though

Oh cool

[raw jasper]

As far as I know, it's usually used in set expressions, like 私たち、僕ら, etc etc

[hasty quarry]

I have seen those yeah

[raw jasper]

You won't hear something like アヒルたちは泳げる

That'd just be アヒルは泳げる. You can typically also drop the は

[hasty quarry]

But it's things like 彼ら being preferred over 彼たち. I haven't determined a difference

[raw jasper]

I think it's an euphonics thing

[hasty quarry]

Yeah it doesn't look too concrete, it should come with more input

[raw jasper]

You'll really rarely see 彼 in Japanese though, it's typically 〇〇さん

(Or whichever honorific makes sense)

[hasty quarry]

Well, isn't that "he" though? You're saying that's not common?

[raw jasper]

(Unless you want to say "boyfriend")

[hasty quarry]

Yeah I know it's in that word, but I thought it meant "he"

[raw jasper]

Yeah, typically, the (last) name of the person you're referring to is used

[hasty quarry]

I see

But what if you don't know their name? その人?

[raw jasper]

You'd typically say something like 山田さん〇〇〇〇〇〇〇〇 in the first sentence, and just skip the topic in the following ones

(Because Japanese tends to drop any information that can be inferred from context)

[hasty quarry]

Yeah I really need to get more comfortable with what stuff my English/Spanish brain makes me feel is important when it's not

[raw jasper]

I mean, you can use こ・そ・あの人, 彼, etc as well as less polite variants in that case, but if you know the name, you'll probably avoid using any kind of pronoun

Just be mindful that 彼 means both "that guy" and "boyfriend" (as in, that guy)

(same with 彼女)

[hasty quarry]

What was "man" again? Radicals 田 and 力 I believe

[raw jasper]

彼 does not contain the "man" component

It does include the "person" component, though

(rightmost one, 人 -> イ)

[hasty quarry]

Oh I remembered, 男, おとこ

Is that rude

[raw jasper]

That (along with the more scientific/medical-sounding 男性) refers to the male condition

[hasty quarry]

So...don't try that one, you're saying

Hah

[raw jasper]

I mean, you could say あの男 ("that man"), but at that point, we're splitting hair

[hasty quarry]

Are you a native speaker or did you learn

I've been teaching myself for a while

[raw jasper]

I'm still learning

So many things to do, so little time

[hasty quarry]

Yes

I find it kinda funny how 男 and things of the sort have such historic and cultural ties to the way they lived their lives

It's just so cool that within the language itself there is so much meaning and culture

The components of 男 just say "rice field laborer" in a sense, it's really interesting how the history is in there

[raw jasper]

The thing is that, with a 3000-year-old writing system, you get various negative sterotypical characters, such as 奸 ("cunning and wicked person") and 嫉 ("envy") containing "woman"

[hasty quarry]

Oh, hey, look at that

I definitely don't agree, obviously, but there's something really neat about there being a story, some story, to all of these little things

[raw jasper]

Being an outside observer, I am not going to make any statements regarding the writing system of a culture that is not mine

It is up to the people who use it to have this discussion if they need to

What I can make is the academic observation that, with some characters, you're getting 3000-year-old stereotypes

(Which I definitely don't agree with either!)

[hasty quarry]

To clarify, it's those stereotypes you can find that I don't agree with, not you

[raw jasper]

dw, I correctly understood you

[hasty quarry]

I've been thinking of, but too scared to, experiment with consuming media with no help

As in like, watching TV or reading despite not understanding most of it

[raw jasper]

Something that might help is getting a popup dictionary extension

[hasty quarry]

And the argument I've seen for it is that your brain is incredible at piecing together things like that

[raw jasper]

That way, as long as you know the grammar, you can read random text you find on the web

[hasty quarry]

It's the "difference between being explained to you why a joke is funny, and actually finding it funny because you get it"

[raw jasper]

I use https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/

[hasty quarry]

What in the world

That looks pretty cool

[raw jasper]

Enjoy!

[cunning frost]

I've done that before, just watching anime raw, and it's a good learning experience because it forces you to think beyond what books can give you. A lot of the Japanese language kinda wings it and it's very easy to get too attached to what you learn in books.

All of that flies off the window once you realize how fluid the language can be to express just about anything.

[raw jasper]

Funny thing about me is that, even though I am learning Japanese, I do not particularly like anime or manga. As such, I can't really offer any advice regarding that

[cunning frost]

That's fair since my learning advice is to just follow your interest in the language. You'll learn it one way or the other.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, that sounds about right

[ebon dew]

hear all the time that people from other countries learned English by watching American movies. it goes both ways.

when you hang out with people who only speak a foreign language your brain picks it up much faster

[raw jasper]

Being a non-native speaker of English: English is literally everywhere, even on the packaging of things you buy. It definitely Helps[TM]

[ebon dew]

i learned some German a long time ago hanging out in German IRC channels.

[raw jasper]

...At least, it builds the kind of pathways that are sufficient to go "aha! I've seen this word" once one formally learns it

[ebon dew]

subtitles help but like all learning... repetition is the key

[raw jasper]

much of it is practice too

[ebon dew]

practice is repetition

[raw jasper]

There's an argument to be made on the distinction between active (ie. practice) vs. passive (ie. revision) repetition.

And some philosophical conundrums over how much language speaking is conscious thought vs stochastic parroting, but that's another story

[ebon dew]

memetic responses are natural and begins in childhood. it's instinctual and part of the learning process.

[raw jasper]

I am not a developmental psychologist, so I'll refrain from opining on the topic :P

In other news, the response that's been RLHF'd into ChatGPT for "what am I?" is fairly creepy

Or kind of concerning (at least at a visceral level), because it seems to account for non-human agents interacting with the thing

As an AI language model, I am not able to determine your physical or personal identity. Could you please clarify your question or provide more context?

[old beacon]

I have this class project, I want to make the same function as an airtag. I was wondering if this is possible through adafruit components?

[late fulcrum]

To do all the functions of an AirTag, you'd need Bluetooth, GPS, and NFC. AdaFruit does sell boards that do those things, but the end product would be somewhat bulkier than an AirTag

[old beacon]

Nice, Yeah id like those components, what are they? Want to mess around with it before eagle.

[late fulcrum]

There are lots of Bluetooth options, perhaps one of the Feathers like product IDs 2829 or 3406 might do, which will give you both Bluetooth and a CPU, as well as a battery charger. Perhaps the Ultimate GPS FeatherWing (product ID 3133), which will stack right on top would be a useful addition. I'm not aware of a STEMMA or Feather format NFC breakout, product ID 364 would probably work, just need to wire it in. You may want some details like Feather stacking headers, maybe an amplified GPS antenna, and/or a rechargeable cell (product ID 3898 is just the right size to fit on top of or under a Feather). Or you may prefer not to go with the Feather format, all these things are available in other forms as well.

[tardy badger]

The nRF52840 has an NFC peripheral so 2 birds 1 stone, just need GPS

I’m not sure the modules Adafruit sells has nfc broken out, so that might be an issue

[olive dome]

Or ..... https://positive.security/blog/send-my

[ebon dew]

I’ve run a feather bluefruit express with gps featherwing and external gps antenna. Works great. Most i did was sync time from my phone. Dont know if you can plug into nfc capabilities with it. Might be worth looking into the nrf52840 library?

Also the gps module is only a receiver. It cannot transmit its location, you’d need some other method to report back the location data it receives.

Such as a cellular modem or lora…

[late fulcrum]

The AirTags have neither, they apparently just make a Bluetooth link with passing iDevices and hand off their data that way.

[raw jasper]

@late fulcrum : Re: yesterday's discussion, you might find this interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvBpqKwzrFY

[rapid geode]

millions of peaches, peaches for me.

mmm. looks like at least a few dozen peaches set

now if only the squirrels will leave them alone

[tranquil swallow]

You need a squirrel trebuchet

[rapid geode]

no, i need a kestrel

[wanton thistle]

Did somebody mention projectiles weighing 100kg flying over 300 meters?

and castle walls?

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/trebuchet-treb-gif-23227326

This GIF is so web1.0

[wanton thistle]

you need to build additional pylons

[rapid geode]

squirrels can climb the castle walls. need to spray them with vaseline.

[tardy badger]

Bovespian gas?

Not sure if I spelt that right

[wanton thistle]

vespene gas it is

[tardy badger]

https://youtu.be/G2-TgQJamu8

A classic from ye olde internet

[fiery quarry]

You actually do care about the current more then the voltage since they're just coils this driver explains it pretty well https://www.pololu.com/product/2128/faqs

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! SHOW AND TELL! https://youtu.be/ei0zZVjysys

[fierce prawn]

Finally

[dusty citrus]

What's a FY6900-60M?
And how it differs from a scope?

[late fulcrum]

A scope lets you look at signals, that's a signal generator that produces signals.

[radiant coral]

pivoting from the chat in #help-with-circuitpython, I do like the idea of a self contained "digital coffee cup" but that's probably a little outside of my expertise level for actually manufacturing

might be fun to hack together a prototype though

[ebon dew]

to put the temp sensor in the actual liquid might require a special cup

[radiant coral]

I like your idea of hacking apart a double walled cup to install the heater and not have it be actually immersed though @fickle ridge

[ebon dew]

you can stick the sensor to the bottom but would that be good enough? i dunno.

especially if you wanted the built in heater on the bottom instead.

might actually need a triple walled cup

[radiant coral]

I don't know that the temperature variance in a regular coffee cup would be significant, but in a taller mug I guess I'd want the sensor near the top since that's what actually would be hitting my lips

[ebon dew]

ah that's a better idea

but as you drink the level changes

would need to be on a float?

[radiant coral]

ah yes, physics is a pain sometimes

that or a strip of sensors down the side I suppose

[ebon dew]

float switch also means you could monitor your coffee level remaining even with a lid on 😉

[radiant coral]

"Here is my coffee cup build. It keeps perfectly heated coffee but is now wired to my computer, is 16 inches tall, and weighs 2 pounds" 😆

[ebon dew]

lol

[radiant coral]

Coffee Stasis Pod ™️

[ebon dew]

there would definitely be additional weight. by the time you add the heater, float, temp sensor, display. yes. still would probably be worth it. the ultimate coffee cup.

[radiant coral]

or if you're going steampunk I guess it has to have a name like the Coffee Thermostabilizer

[ebon dew]

flexible e-ink would do well for a display and would keep the display on even after it runs out of power.

Coffee Punk sounds rad.

[radiant coral]

speaking of coffee, my organic sensors indicate an inadequate level exists in my cup currently.

[ebon dew]

oh yeah those are hard to compete with

[spice moss]

the cup with sensors

[fickle ridge]

you obviously can stuff multiple sensors into the hollow wall and glue them in to measure coffee temperature at various heights to determine mean. maybe even add a magnetic stirr bar to uniform it.
the heatsink to bottom of cup needs a ring to seal the vaccum and the peltier in.
i guess below the heatsink a printed plastic? enclosure for microcontroller and the wireless coils to receive power from a power pad

routing the wires thru the vaccum seals looks nasty.

[ebon dew]

do some of them have hollow plastic bottoms? sounds ideal for hacking, that's awesome.

i thought they were double walled all the way around in 1 process

[fickle ridge]

i doubt it, i'm pretty sure they're all stainless to keep the vaccum

[ebon dew]

i don't own one, i have a regular ceramic mug.

[fickle ridge]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UOoAAOSwW6BaS9l3/s-l1600.jpg

[spice moss]

you could print with ceramic 3d printer

[fickle ridge]

they all have this "cup" bottom

i wonder if it is pressed on

i doubt they deep draw the stainless accurate enough

[radiant coral]

I think most of the double wall ones are hollow all the way around and only attached at the top

[spice moss]

vacuum insulated have that hting on botton yeah

[fickle ridge]

https://youtu.be/v5Qe2PGuY7I?t=24

[thick wind]

I would argue this as a function of what kind of sensor tbh. I wouldn’t put any non-encapsulated sensors in the liquid, but a lot of the encapsulated analog sensors would work great for this. A nice thermistor would be perfect so long as your wires are dishwasher safe (or nonpermanent haha)

[spice moss]

you could design heater element on bottom

with RISC-V soldering iron have heater element what heat faster to desired temp

[fickle ridge]

i wouldn't immerse the sensor into liquid, i would glue it inside the hollow walls

~1mm of stainless changes temperature quick enough to give a good reading on the liquid

[ebon dew]

does look like there might be enough space for a really compact build in the bottom. would have to be a custom pcb and could withstand the heat from desoldering itself apart.

[spice moss]

having all on bottom could be great when its sealed

[thick wind]

The hard part is getting into the hollow walls without losing the thermal advantages of a dual-wall mug?

[fickle ridge]

peltier, when the coffee comes out of the machine it's too hot for him. so cool first, then heat to maintain. just reverse polarity on the peltier.

[fickle ridge]

saw it open, replace bottom to make room for components, add valve, harvest compressor from old fridge as vaccum pump.

[thick wind]

There are smart mugs that do pretty much this on the market today.

[fickle ridge]

oh really. sad.

[ebon dew]

really? but do they have a float switch and display?

[radiant coral]

An accessible valve is a good idea

[fickle ridge]

i was about to try convince him to buy a metal lathe and get into spin drawing sheet metal.

[thick wind]

Not sure about Peltier but definitely heating elements

[ebon dew]

i think adam savage just had a video about cutting the bottom of a glass bottle with a special circle cutter bit.

[thick wind]

Some have a display on the lid, but I highly doubt the float.

[radiant coral]

And are they steampunk styled with brass fittings and analog dials and far too heavy to be practical? We might be missing key market segments you know

[thick wind]

A float sounds like it’d get in the way of my drink

[fickle ridge]

could just advertise it as a workout weight dual use feature

[thick wind]

I’d probably start simple and just have a temp probe go down from the lid. Peltier is nice but building a good Peltier driver isn’t easy.

[ebon dew]

nah put it in line with the handle, no one drinks from directly in front of the handle...

[fickle ridge]

or you could add a brushless motor with an encased propeller, some gyros and accelerometers, record typical drinking motions, and run a neural net to predict further drinking motions, and then have the motor and propeller generate lift to assist in drinking to counteract some of the weight. needs a small lithium battery, something with super high discharge current capabilities and maybe some DC DC buck converter to increase voltage ?

[spice moss]

lets say you design thermos bottom part and have thermalcouple on it https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/ like that soldering iron have on tip

[thick wind]

Thermocouple? In a mug? That’s way more temperature range than you would need. An NTC is probably much more cost effective if you factor in all the additional hardware needed to take readings.

[fickle ridge]

the prop could double as a cooling fan to cool the heatsink for the peltier.

[ebon dew]

@dusty citrus Well firewalls aren't just for internet traffic. They help with lan/wan safety too. why are you running a pc can bus through the phone ip line, that's so weird. you didn't say which pc's you want to connect either. plus you should have all of them on vlans and have the firewall do the vlan routing through the switch.

[tardy badger]

Downside of a community garden area, is the community kids pulling up your plants…

I had some fairly big kale plants that sometime between 10am yesterday and this morning, got pulled up..

Yeah..

I pay money for the garden beds too.. just frustrating

[ebon dew]

distance? wifi camera?

[raw jasper]

Hello! You might want to consider learning how to solder

[tardy badger]

They’re probably a solid 500m from my townhome

[radiant coral]

This is kinda what I had in mind originally but I forgot where I was when I was idly wondering things aloud 😆

[tardy badger]

I thought about a small cellular connected camera setup

[raw jasper]

What's the point though? It's not like you're gonna sue them or something

[tardy badger]

But then I’d worry about someone stealing the camera

[raw jasper]

that too

[tardy badger]

No, but we can let property management know and they usually will talk to/fine lease holders who’s kids are messing with stuff other people pay for

[radiant coral]

Make them eat every leaf of kale that they pull up. That'll teach em 😆

[tardy badger]

Mostly because it will cost property management money to fix the messes made by kids in the garden beds

Last year before I moved in, three of the children in the community flooded all the garden beds and cost the community a few thousand dollars to replace gravel, soil, and pay the city for the gravel being washed into the drainage

[raw jasper]

oh wow. I guess their parents aren't really all that involved with teaching their kids to act respnsibly

🙃

[tardy badger]

That’s accurate

Utah is a free range parenting state

So many parents use it as an excuse for not parenting their kids

[radiant coral]

I was thinking these were just harmless kids messing around like I used to do and not realizing what they were doing but that sounds pretty destructive

[fierce prawn]

True but not now

[fickle ridge]

when i was like 13-14 my dad build me a crossbow and let me wander the town with it to shoot stuff. his only comment was "uhh don't shoot anyone, right?"

[fierce prawn]

Just anyone??
So you could shoot protected animals

[raw jasper]

That's fair! You will need to learn to solder once you want to exchange signals (I2C, SPI, etc) between boards though

[raw jasper]

I've only ever seen the term "free range" used for chickens. I am trying to understand what kind of newfangled specific American thing "free range parenting state" would mean

I guess it has to do with how laws are structured?

Still, weird term to use 😅

[ebon dew]

Stick a tall pole in the ground with a fake security camera. Cheap solution. People are more likely to do mischief if they think they have complete anonymity.

[tardy badger]

It means you won’t get your children taken away if you let them wander by themselves

[raw jasper]

They do that in America?!

[fickle ridge]

I was a very animal-friendly kid. my dad knew i would understand "anyone" also means animals.

[tardy badger]

Yup, child endangerment laws are wild here

[raw jasper]

I mean, there's child endangerment and there's letting your kid walk home from school once they're old and responsible enough

[ebon dew]

yes, the government will take your kids away if you are deemed unfit to be a guardian.

[tardy badger]

Let your child ride their bike outside of the neighborhood? Some Karen sees them? Doesn’t like children? Say hello to cps

[fickle ridge]

i dont think there is much to learn about soldering. if you have decent equipment it's super easy. It's only difficult with really bad equipment. A good iron, some flux paste/gel and non-crappy solder and it's a breeze

[ebon dew]

generally only happens to those with hard drug or violence issues.

[raw jasper]

That makes sense. It's how it works in my (and I'd hope most) country too. However, the definition of being unfit to be a guardian seems unfair if it is what skerr is saying above

[tardy badger]

My wife has a friend who has a child who is autistic who is a handful and throws violent fits in public. She endured 4 months of monitoring by child protective services because a neighbor saw her trying to get him buckled in the car while he was screaming.

[fierce prawn]

What
I can walk the whole apartment by myself
I know where the garden is and all that

[thick wind]

The rules and regulations do vary by state, but generally no state considers a kid walking around in the suburbs as endangerment.

[ebon dew]

while it does seem an infringement on personal liberty it's also a way to try to ensure society isn't propagated unabated with the worst aspects of humanity. long term it's a good thing overall.

[raw jasper]

I don't have anything to say on the matter, I'm a foreigner who has never lived in the US

[tardy badger]

The ease in which a child can be removed from a home is why Utah law makers passed their free range parenting laws

Or that’s the logic used anyway

[thick wind]

Red flags get raised if the kid is walking around with bruises or is in an area kids aren’t supposed to be wandering around in, but they’re not that unreasonable. More of the horror stories are caused by “anonymous tips from a concerned neighbor.”

[fierce prawn]

Please complain that damage to management and get their parents to compensate the lost

[fickle ridge]

what are areas kids aren't supposed to be wandering aroudn in?

[raw jasper]

Do people actually maliciously and falsely accuse people of such serious crimes? There's no penalty for that (similar to abusing emergency services)? (Re: "anonymous tips from concerned neighbors")

[thick wind]

Think nonresidential areas far from schools or homes.

[ebon dew]

kids do stupid things, they make mistakes, part of growing up.

[fickle ridge]

that's literally all i did as a kid

[thick wind]

They’re supposed to be anonymous, so only in extreme cases are cases like this ever investigated.

[fickle ridge]

when i was a kid we played in the woods, in the fields, in old industrial places

[fierce prawn]

Oh yeah I can walk the whole shopping mall myself

[thick wind]

Depends on how old the kid is too. Most teens are basically treated as adults.

[ebon dew]

i once destroyed the back of a construction building, throwing things through it. i got caught and had to work off the damages. it was honestly a good lesson.

[raw jasper]

Ah, I thought the tip line knew the user's identity but kept it a secret from the accused, as some sort of witness protection thing

[tardy badger]

I’ve personally known people who’ve dealt with unreasonable “concerned neighbor” tips to CPS. It does get abused quite a bit in certain states. Less so in others

[thick wind]

Until they’re caught, anyways.

[ebon dew]

so if you catch the kids, make them work off the damage by working in the garden.

[fickle ridge]

uh idk 2nd 3rd grade you're old enough to walk to school right ? so you get to go out for an hour or two or something and play wherever. once you're older you eventually stay longer until agreed upon back-home time?

idk.

[tardy badger]

Problem with my situation is I don’t know who did it. I only know of one kid who’s known to do those things but I’d rather not name names without evidence

[fierce prawn]

And get them to install the CCTV, a raspberry pi monitoring hub and tailscale for remote access

[thick wind]

It’s pretty bad, actually. Outside of CPS, anonymous tips have been used pretty frequently to send fully armed SWAT teams to “swat” streamers during their streams…

[tardy badger]

And some have died from swatting

[fickle ridge]

there's pre-hardened abrasion resistant steel like AR500 you can get in large sheets cheaply

also laser-cut to size

just put an inch of that under some hardwood veneer as a door

no more swatting.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I know about that. I think malicious actors have tried to replicate it in Europe too

[ebon dew]

yeah umm swat teams can take down an entire outer wall, they don't need to go through a door. 😛

[fickle ridge]

did you consider concrete as a wall material

[tardy badger]

I’m not so much upset about kids being kids.. just that I pay monthly to use garden beds and food I’ve spent a lot of time growing just getting yanked out of the beds sucks..

[fickle ridge]

it's quite cheap

[raw jasper]

Well, I don't remember destroying other people's gardens as a kid! 😅

[ebon dew]

could make up some fliers and put them in peoples mailboxes. someone, somewhere will have a kid they'll question about it and maybe that'll be enough.

[thick wind]

I mean, there were some active “militia” groups holed up in concrete bunkers and forts. Kinda excessive for someone who just wants to broadcast video games on the internet.

[blissful roost]

We have rooftop planters here, which never get harassed.. but weeds have taken over for now.

[raw jasper]

The modern internet appears to require nation-state-level operational security from its active users

[tardy badger]

Mail boxes are in little metal boxes by the road so not really an option

[ebon dew]

if you need to build a bunker to play video games then you seriously need to think about not playing video games 😆

[tardy badger]

We informed management which is about all we can do

Maybe I’ll put up John Wick pictures around the garden beds

That’ll scare them

But instead of a leash in his hand for his dead dog, it’ll be a bunch of kale

[raw jasper]

That's going too far! :P

[tardy badger]

You’re right, my photoshop skills are not that good

[ebon dew]

mine are, what do you need?

[tardy badger]

Nothing lol.. I’m just gonna see what management does.

[ebon dew]

john wick with a leash around dead kale? send me a pic of the kale.

[golden saffron]

Its pretty funny in the US kale is seens as hipster vegetable.
Meanwhile in the netherlands its seen as more of common man winterfood xd

[tardy badger]

But anyway, if stuff keeps getting pulled up.. I’m just gonna pull my stuff out and stop paying for the beds

[golden saffron]

Can anyone recommend these E-ink shelf labels that are easily hackable?

They are so cheap and low power, its great

[blissful roost]

@tardy badger

It's quite annoying that my buns love kale, but it puts Lillie into gut stasis. 🙁

[raw jasper]

That's perfect

[ebon dew]

Maybe someone thinks they're weeds. Are they small? Maybe they think they're actually helping to pull up weeds?

[radiant coral]

we make lightly fried kale occasionally as a snack. I love how crispy it gets, and it's a lot better than a bag of chips for me these days.

[golden saffron]

This is what people in the netherlands eat https://vegarecepten.com/en/dutch-boerenkool-recipe-mashed-potatoes-with-kale/

But only in the winter xd

[ebon dew]

looks delicious and nutritious

[raw jasper]

Definitely looks like a winter dish :P

[elfin bridge]

I think the thing with the hipster thing is that hipsters were eating it raw, while they tend to cook it in Nederland.

[tardy badger]

They were larger than my hand

And weeds or not, people shouldn’t tangle in stuff that isn’t theirs

[blissful roost]

Absolutely.

[golden saffron]

Yeah and kale is not the grossest vegetable around

[blissful roost]

I asked the onsite handyman if he wanted the planters cleared...
He told me to just leave it.

shrugs

[tardy badger]

The problem is no matter what’s said by management, if parents don’t care then nothing changes.

I don’t really know if there’s any meaningful recourse outside of lodging a complaint

[blissful roost]

Not really.

Maybe a shotgun and a dose of rocksalt. 😛

[late fulcrum]

Or just plant some giant hogweed, gimpie-gimpie, or plain old poison ivy (and avoid it yourself)

[blissful roost]

Please note: Sarcasm.. I do not promote blasting people with rocksalt

[dusty citrus]

They gave me an exercise so I can understand things
I figured out, I forgot a cable.
Although I don't get what are those tags for

Alright stuff is connected to the switch on port 2 and 3 for example, they both share 2 tags for example an untrucked camera and a trucked printer

How does the switch recognize which one is which, if both tags do share the same port?

[golden saffron]

Its not that bad

[blissful roost]

I wouldn't know... it doesn't happen here, thankfully. 😄

[blissful roost]

You could mix rocksalt with birdshot, so you can give someone a... salt and peppering. 😛

[ebon dew]

probably short hand named tags for vlans. T is generally trunk, your main in/out.

[golden saffron]

Lead poisening D:

[blissful roost]

lel

[dusty citrus]

Indeed, but if a port is config to support more vlan at a time
How does the switch recognize whatever is plugged in, and put it in the correct vlan?

[raw jasper]

I wonder, at the scale this is happening in the USA, do "gun nuts" get enough lead exposure for it to be medically significant?

[ebon dew]

that's where tagging comes in.

untagged vs tagged traffic

[golden saffron]

Yeah, according the gun youtuber garandthumb yes

[ebon dew]

switch will only route tagged packets to vlans with those tags. subnetting can get complicated.

you would normally configure tagging in your switch, not the router or firewall.

[golden saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzf_wT7hY44

[dusty citrus]

Alright but for example when I get a plug and play usb device to work, the usb has an id that comunicates a code to the os, which will then proceed to install the correct drivers

But if I connect like a phone and a printer, how does the switch not misslead the comunication? If a single port can be both tagged and untagged and support multiple vlans?

[ebon dew]

wlans can also be setup with zones so things get pretty complicated if you're working with wlans. no two networks are really configured the same so you have to know routing pretty well. vlan tagging is 802.11q protocol.

i don't think comparing vlans to usb cdc is a good way to associate it.

i think of tagging more like traffic lights

would recommend looking up some youtube videos on switch tagging, videos will do a much better job of explaining it than i can with text.

[dusty citrus]

I got it, the id is a pointless name, they could allow extra ruling though

[ebon dew]

also don't trust tagging as a security measure, use firewall rules in conjunction with vlans.

[elfin bridge]

Tagging is just that. The packet gets tagged with the VLAN number. The port will only pass tagged traffic that matches a VLAN it is configured to allow. Each port has a default VLAN. If a packet shows up without a tag, it gets handled as if it were tagged for that default VLAN.

Each VLAN gets treated as if it were a physically separate Local Area Network. Acts the same as if you had separate switches, but each port can pretend it's on multiple different switches. The only way it knows witch virtual switch the packet is intended for is with the tagging.

[burnt tendon]

Yah, the big thing there is that, without VLAN tagging, you'd end up wanting to run a looooot more ethernet.

[elfin bridge]

If you have a switchport configured to allow VLANs 8, 13, and 52, and set it to default to 8, then it's like that port is a part of three different switches, one for 8, one for 13, and one for 52.

[burnt tendon]

It's a feature that's in the electronics of the switch, understanding that when I say "electronics of the switch" I really mean "at a lower place in the tower of individually programmable often much more specialized CPU cores that create the hallucination of the modern computer"

[elfin bridge]

A packet comes in tagged with 52, the virtual switch for VLAN 52 handles it. A packet comes in with no tag, the virtual switch for VLAN 8 handles it.

[burnt tendon]

That being said, yeah, sure, if you set up a VLAN and don't have a firewall to actually segment the network, it's window-dressing

[ebon dew]

yup, instead of a rack of switches with 200 ports and physically connecting everything like an old phone switchboard vlans allow a single ethernet cable to split traffic. a switch with vlan capability helps keep the size of the network rack down to a minimum. less gear, more capability.

[elfin bridge]

So back to the phone and printer question, it is very likely that the phone is configured to tag its packets for the phone VLAN, and the printer is sending untagged packets that get handled by the native VLAN.

[ebon dew]

i honestly think chaining vlan aware switches downstream is fun to setup. it really helps to have a home lab setup where you can tryout different configurations without worrying about taking down an entire segment of a corporate network by accident (which will eventually happen no matter how careful you are) 😛

[elfin bridge]

Does any of what I said above help?

[tardy badger]

Just buy small managed switches to configure into subnets lol

[ebon dew]

people honestly act like a hive of angry bees when they don't have internet access for more than 2 minutes.

[burnt tendon]

There's this thing where I remind myself that I am a very experienced software professional who has spent a lot of time building infrastructure software and I should have a homelan that's more... impressive?

Except like I want to have time for funs.

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/caos-bob-esponja-crisis-patricio-gif-23199341

[tardy badger]

I just have a Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro

[ebon dew]

https://tenor.com/view/riot-south-park-chaos-chainsaw-protest-gif-20878334

[tardy badger]

Nothing super fancy

[ebon dew]

more like that, people go looking for IT and everyone starts poking their head in the door like you good in here... 😛

then they gather outside the door like a water cooler chat session.

[raw jasper]

Well, slack is down :>

[tardy badger]

Their servers are.. slacking

[ebon dew]

so pro tip, if you accidentally take down part of the network just do yourself a favor and lock the door. all the people bothering you while your trying to fix the issue only makes things take longer.

[tardy badger]

Just put a sign out the door that says “sorry, I tripped”

[ebon dew]

or something like that yeah. maybe use an adafruit LED matrix with animations and marquee text to keep them distracted looking at pretty lights.

[raw jasper]

"We are aware of the recent connectivity issues. Please stand by while we are working on a fix"

[ebon dew]

"yes the internet is down, yes we're working to fix it right now" when your still kinda new to vlans will be a sign you will use regularly. again, home labs help you avoid a lot of pitfalls you'll run into on the production servers so those signs will be used less and less.

[tardy badger]

Ubiquiti makes it fairly easy to not mess things up I’ve found

Though I did remotely dead a network last year lol

Had my sister go out to the site and factory reset everything so I could reconfigure the network

[ebon dew]

yup sometimes you will need to call in and say hey can someone press the reset button lol.

[tardy badger]

Or all the reset buttons. Though thankfully I was able to get the security cameras back up without having to reset them. Just the network switch, the cloud key, and all three APs

[ebon dew]

lol

actually had someone do that once who was not authorized to be in there or make changes. she was like oh i just deleted a setting on the server so i can do x

i was like you just did what now

and voila automated backups stopped working and she borked a weeks worth of data

[late fulcrum]

We had an awful sysadmin at a company I used to work for. The president of the company instructed the web team to have the new site up by 3PM. But the sysadmin refused to transfer the files. Knowing he was a snoop, I went into my office, typed vi syscrack.c and waited. Sure enough, a few minutes later he was in my office yelling at me for “hacking the system”. I asked him “Why do you think I'm hacking the system?” DON'T LIE TO ME! he screamed, and the picture of innocence, I pointed out “I asked a question, a question is not a lie.” He nearly burst a blood vessel.

Bizarrely, a couple of years later I got a call from a company who he’d given me as a job reference. Needless to say, I did not give him a glowing recommendation.

[raw jasper]

Sysop(derogatory) summoning ritual

[raw jasper]

He literally got a lemon

[ebon dew]

I worked with a sysadmin that used to read everyone's emails, every single email. So I started sending emails to people with a footer "this email will be read by the system administrator".

[late fulcrum]

I remember the days of X-NSA-Fodder headers and footers

[raw jasper]

The idea of lucking into an instance with such a sysop is one of the reasons I'm not getting into mastodon

(The other being that I was never able to get much into twitter anyway)

[late fulcrum]

“Here be dragons...”

[raw jasper]

I missed this joke, but I'll pretend I got it anyway 😆

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here

[umbral phoenix]

As long as people understand that it's not e2e and shouldn't be used for sensitive info, it's fine. Not much different than any other social media service. Advantage of something like Mastodon (or Twitter in its heyday) was that having separate accounts for separate personae and interests is a fine way to keep the One ring from ruling them all (a la Facebook).

Social graph is personal, I never understoof why so many people were so willing to put it all out there.

[raw jasper]

Ah yeah, of course, I was mostly referring to the possibility of some nosy sysop going around and causing drama

[umbral phoenix]

with great power comes great responsibility

very few systems manage to avoid having some unknown character having too much power over your data

[ebon dew]

in the beginning there was a push for openid what we know today as SSO and there was a huge backlash of having 1 login for everything because... reasons. they finally did it though and all these systems are interconnected. the fear from back then was it would be used to track you and your online habits. of course that's exactly what they did with it.

[umbral phoenix]

yeah, that's exactly why I've never used SSO or sign in with Google or any of those kinds of things... one account = one unique set of credentials

(even unique email addresses)

[dusty citrus]

I don't wanna outcry about the job that I got but
They said that tomorrow I should edit a text in html on a wordpress site
I asked out of curiosity which plugins/gui stuff they used since I've used worpress some time ago and didn't like it, so I can look up at doc crap beforehand
They say to me that I should only edit the html stuff
Ok?

[ebon dew]

ah clients, gotta love how vague they can be

[dusty citrus]

That's actually from my boss

[blissful roost]

Why would anyone want HTML on a PHP CMS? lol

[ebon dew]

sounds like they have in-line customizations, how much you wanna bet what they want done will actually be in CSS and not HTML. ;P

[dusty citrus]

As I saw from the website is plain unformated text
It may also be that they want to test out stuff from my resume, since the last weeks I've done nothing (because they gave me nothing)

[ebon dew]

there's a saying for that, not sure how well known it is. "sweep your porch before you sweep someone else's"

[tardy badger]

Ohh Digi-Key is rebranding

[ebon dew]

why

they have great brand recognition..

[tardy badger]

https://twitter.com/digikey/status/1659233685718040579?s=20

DigiKey (@digikey)

📣 Just announced

With respect to the past and excitement for the future - we're making some changes

Learn More: https://t.co/4VlcN0b2tl

▶ Play video

Twitter · May 18, 2023, 4:25 PM

New logo, colors. No name change

[ebon dew]

ohh ok

I don't understand the glitching effect... generally glitch isn't something you want associated with electronic components.

though they do sell the MCP23017

[patent hemlock]

it's showing the font change - each letter change is a basic electronic component

[ebon dew]

will a non-electronic person realize that? no.

[dusty citrus]

Isn't that their customers?

[spice moss]

"we are going techical"

[ebon dew]

is that a play on words or...

[spice moss]

the released video

[patent hemlock]

keep in mind this stuff is done by pr people, who don't necessarily "talk" to engineers (or at least not very well)

[raw jasper]

I don't like the new logo :(

[ebon dew]

the video puts everything into a better context. yes good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaK5fJqMa9s

The rebrand removes the hyphen in digi-key also.

which I think is a good move, just my opinion

[late fulcrum]

Speaking of logos that look like components...

[raw jasper]

Looked it up. It's a bank.

Is it a visual pun?

:P

[late fulcrum]

Yes. However, it looks like a “capacitor bank” to me

[raw jasper]

Ah yes, time to store my money in the big capacitor

[late fulcrum]

I guess “Coulomb Trust” would have been too subtle?

[raw jasper]

Now I want a capacitor-shaped piggy bank :P

[late fulcrum]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1021

[tardy badger]

This is the first time ever that my wife and I have managed to get an orchid to bloom a second time.

[blissful roost]

Very nice.

Orchids are a fussy PITA.

[tardy badger]

No joke.. and the fact that there are 8 buds for blooms brings me joy 🙂

[blissful roost]

👍

[raw jasper]

Question: Is anadigm the only surviving FPAA vendor?

[tardy badger]

Okika Technologies appears to sell a board?

I don’t know if it uses Anadigm chips though

[raw jasper]

thx, going to check

[tardy badger]

https://www.okikatechnologies.com/solutions/field-programmable-analog-array-fpaa/

Ohhh they have a Field Programmable Mixed-Signal Array

Link 404s though

[raw jasper]

https://www.okikatechnologies.com/otc24000-datasheet-reconfigurable-analog-matrix/ looks suspiciously like https://www.anadigm.com/_doc/UM020800-U002.pdf

[tardy badger]

Maybe the license the architecture?

[raw jasper]

It's possible!

[tardy badger]

I imagine it’s pretty tough making an FPAA

Though.. I think maybe they aren’t in business anymore

No recent social media posts

Last Twitter posts were 2019

[fickle ridge]

Any recommendations for software to draw circuit diagrams?

[tardy badger]

What kind of circuits?

Like ones you’d turn into a physical product?

Or are you more interested in simulation?

[raw jasper]

It's... pretty small
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/sites/default/files/2021-01/2020-12-04 Okika Technologies Intro and FPAA Technology Overview.pdf

[fickle ridge]

Uh idk, this is where i'm at. Imagine sprinkling in some port extenders
I have some prototype boards, might end up ordering some custom PCBs, idk yet.

[tardy badger]

Okay.. so Okika Technologies is still open according to the California SOS

[raw jasper]

8 differential opamps in total

Aka meh

[tardy badger]

If that’s the case, KiCAD would be a great place to start on both accounts

People have made some simulation plugins

[raw jasper]

Interestingly, same slide as https://www.anadigm.com/_doc/trainingdocument2.pdf sld13

So, definite architecture licensing

[tardy badger]

How many in the anadigm ones?

[raw jasper]

The anadigm ones seem to be literally the same part :P

See the presentation I posted above

[fickle ridge]

I'll try that, thx

[rapid geode]

peachy

[tardy badger]

Apparently the FPGA PSoC from Infineon had programmable analog blocks

[raw jasper]

Cypress still makes something called the PSoC

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Cypress bought Infineon

[raw jasper]

Though I'd struggle to call that an FPGA

[tardy badger]

Bad characterization of an old article

Or my brain malfunctioning

It’s a cortex M0+

With some flexible ADC,DAC, and comparators

[raw jasper]

Yeah, it's a cool little chip, but definitely not a Zynq competitor, digital-wise

I wonder how much it costs

[tardy badger]

$2.42 for a single

Plus supporting circuitry

Probably an NDA for the full datasheet

[raw jasper]

In any case, it is not what I was looking for anyway

Thanks for the digging

[tardy badger]

👍🏻

[thick wind]

There are programmable mixed signal devices like renesas’s greenpak ICs?

I guess better question is what you’re trying to do with it.

[tardy badger]

Are greenpak generally available?

[olive dome]

Yes they are

[tardy badger]

Most seem to be non-stock with Digi-Key 🤔

[olive dome]

On Digikey and Mouser last time I checked, but the variant I want isn't in stock so I didn't pick them up

[tardy badger]

But I will file the Cherry Trail SLG7NT4117 under cursed footprints

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/SLG7NT4317V/7562827

[olive dome]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/evaluation-boards-embedded-complex-logic-fpga-cpld/796?s=N4IgTCBcDaIOYCcCmSB2ACADgQwNYgF0AaEANilAEsATKEAWgEYAGCEzAFzpBI4E9MSOtQDOAYxABfSUA

The chip also comes with the programming socket adaptor

[tardy badger]

Whoops

[olive dome]

Ah... I can't post the link too fast

Like SLG47004V-SKT

[tardy badger]

I did see the eval boards

I was looking for bare chips

[olive dome]

Yeah like I said, the chip comes with that socket adaptor

SLG46537V-SKT

You kind of need them to do prototype so I guess it makes sense for them to bundle with the programming adaptor

[tardy badger]

Yeah, true

[olive dome]

Though it is programming with I2C

[tardy badger]

This SLG47004 looks nice https://www.renesas.com/us/en/document/dst/slg47004-datasheet?r=1563291

[olive dome]

The issue is probably One-Time Programable

[tardy badger]

Oh wait

You shared that 😂

My apologies, my brain is a bit foggy right now. Been sick the last few days on top of allergies

[olive dome]

Nah, I was just posting the stuff that is in-stock without actually looking at the spec

[thick wind]

SLG46826 looks nice, in stock at Mouser

[raw jasper]

...and I file this under strangest application notes

https://www.renesas.com/us/en/document/apn/cm-359-portable-washing-machine?r=1570446

[acoustic pawn]

Not as cursed as the MPQ8875A

But there are certainly more cursed footprints

[tardy badger]

There are definitely more cursed footprints, I was just filing it there with them lol

[raw jasper]

I gotta give it to them, Renesas seem to be very creative with their application notes

Washing machine, blinds controller

[tardy badger]

They make cheap chips for everyday applications, so it makes sense

I imagine you’d find their chips in a very broad set of appliances

[fickle ridge]

I found CAD files for standard picos, but i noticed i apparently bought some clone with a bit of a different layout. Does this design have a name to google with?
It's a 16MB flash, USB-C equipped raspberry pi pico clone i guess.

[tardy badger]

Not sure, you might check the listing your purchased it from

[raw jasper]

If I had the disposable money and spare time, I'd definitely get a greenpak devboard

It even has an integrated signal generator

[fickle ridge]

The listing wasn't very helpful, i ended up drawing even the pinout myself by copy pasting off other pinouts and some trial and error

[raw jasper]

Though the simple devboard without them goes for "only" $39

[fickle ridge]

It's just listed as RP2040 TYPE-C Lite Black - 16MB

[raw jasper]

It looks like you gotta measure your board's dimensions and adapt your design to whatever you've got

That's one of the problems with the cheap clones, you pay in time

[fickle ridge]

Well i had no clue what to look out for when i bought it and it was like 3 bucks so

[raw jasper]

Well, enjoy the challenge!

[fickle ridge]

what challenge?

[raw jasper]

Of adapting your design to the clone

[fickle ridge]

there is no design so 🤷

[raw jasper]

Ah, I assumed you had something you needed to work with, since you were looking for CAD files

[fickle ridge]

i want to build an I/O shield to plug this into to connect to various other boards

[raw jasper]

👍

[fickle ridge]

I dont really have a use for any of the standard shields that are offered so i have to do my own thing anyways 🤷

[thick wind]

It’s still a standard header, I’d be surprised if the standard pico footprint didn’t work.

[fickle ridge]

i compared the pins, they're not in the same places.

[tardy badger]

👀 https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/LAV-AT-200E-1LBG484C/18997128

This is the cheapest Avant FPGA coming from Lattice Semi

So many pins lol

0.82V voltage supply

No idea what I’d do with 192k logic cells

Ohhh they support MIPI on the pins 😎

Ah whoops, thought I clicked the fpga chat lol..

[fierce prawn]

Should I use the inbuilt thermometer of esp-32-s2 or buy one myself

[tardy badger]

An external temperature sensor will be more accurate for the environment than the built in sensor in the esp32

[umbral phoenix]

my QT Py S2 is reading 95°F right now, in a 70°F room ...it's never really going to show you ambient temp

[raw jasper]

dw, it's not like all the FPGA discussion isn't taking place in #general-chat, to the point of it being the honorary #fpga channel

:>

[raw jasper]

Run a complex soft core! 😎

[ebon dew]

on board temp sensors are good for measuring the temperature of the board, nothing more.

which isn't an issue for most situations but if it's say sitting inside a gear closet, in the middle of Florida summer at 120F you can have it automatically shut down if it gets too hot. that's honestly the best use case for an on-board temp sensor.

now you might say 120F ha there's no way... yes way. monitoring that closet temp was part of my old job. imagine walking into a hotel sauna that has racks of gear in it. that was my daily working environment. it's cheaper to let gear fry from heat and replace it once a year than to pay for AC to cool the room. it was literally part of their business model.

[umbral phoenix]

it used to get to 140°F in my attic until I had it properly ventilated when replacing the roof, now it only gets to 120°F max. But I do have quite a bit of electronics in there (that will soon be moving to a new part of the attic that should always be close to room temperature).

[half sun]

I did it

[fierce prawn]

How can i decode this to str
b"H'\xe2^\x1a\xec"
got it from wifi.radio.ap_mac_address

[raw jasper]

bits = b"H'\xe2^\x1a\xec"
':'.join(f'{b:x}' for b in bits)

should do the trick

(assuming you want a traditional mac address formatting)

[fierce prawn]

ended up letting homeassistant sorting the device with the unique id and the ip address from the esps2 and gateway

[glad tartan]

I've experienced this too. My adafruit playground XP got triggered while the room temp was 18oC and the trigger temp was 35oC. I'd really want it to be triggered say from the temp of my coffee or tea, if it fell below a threshold. I guess I'll have to use an external temp sensor

[raw jasper]

Fun fact: Copper is a fairly good conductor of heat!

So, your measurements will be tainted by heat coming off the ICs

[fierce prawn]

should i make a makeshift button with magnets?

[late fulcrum]

That sounds like a neat build, I'd say yes

[acoustic pawn]

The inside of my weather station will reach 120F+. Well it's also a clear box in direct sunlight

[tardy badger]

It’s just a good conductor in general 🙂

Also fascinating brass and other metal pipe fittings electrolysis over time

[urban arrow]

Gents, sure this has been asked B4... Why are Raspberry PI's never available anywhere? Do they even make them, or very slowly in small lots? I have no idea. If they're never in stock, shouldn't Ada just remove them? I'm just a normal peon out here interested in getting one to learn Linux, etc. Be kind... 🙂

[raw jasper]

News flash: Metal with many and loose free e- good conductor of electricity and heat

[tardy badger]

Pimoroni has 4B 4GB as of like 15 minutes ago

[raw jasper]

They are (sometimes) in stock, they just sell like hot cakes

[tardy badger]

https://shop.pimoroni.com/en-us/products/raspberry-pi-4?variant=29157087445075

They’ve actually been in stock since yesterday surprisingly

[raw jasper]

Due to limited stock and high levels of scalping we are only allowing logged in customers that have ordered from us before to buy this product – learn why and how.
:(

[patent hemlock]

at least the prices are coming back down

[tardy badger]

Yeah, Pimoroni also has lots of kits in stock

[raw jasper]

Related: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/raspberry-pi-ceo-supply-should-be-unconstrained-in-second-half-of-2023/

[urban arrow]

Thanks, yeah I know 2-factor ordering, but they never have any...

[tardy badger]

I’ve already seen more stock of Pi4’s in the last three weeks than the last 5 months

[patent hemlock]

if you want to hold your nose a bit, Amazon seems to have access to some more now

[raw jasper]

Who knows, perhaps we'll be able to get nvidia GPUs for a reasonable price next! :P

[ebon dew]

To my knowledge it's the onboard Micron RAM they're using that is hard to get. All the other components are easily available.

[tardy badger]

Pimoroni seems to have discouraged scalpers by selling bundles that cut down in scalper margins

[tardy badger]

Doesn’t seem likely

[raw jasper]

I know, I was just being ironic :)

[tardy badger]

NVidia seems to think they can just charge whatever and people will just buy it

At some point macroeconomics comes into play and the number of people willing to buy drops off significantly

[patent hemlock]

crypto mining will be replaced by AI crunching, no doubt

[raw jasper]

You stole the words from my mouth

[ebon dew]

You can go with CPU's that have on-board graphics. You won't play a lot of high end games with them but it'll work for most personal PC uses.

It's funny that the price of GPU's started skyrocketing shortly after motherboard manufacturers stopped putting on-board graphics into most motherboards. An external GPU became mandatory instead of optional for most motherboards.

[raw jasper]

On-board graphics are a part of the CPU, not the mobo

[patent hemlock]

iirc, not originally

[ebon dew]

lol

Yes, that is actually a very recent change. On board graphics used to always be ON the motherboard.

[urban arrow]

Amazon sells double the $$ of Ada

[raw jasper]

You're probably right, and I accept the ceremonial egg on my face

[ebon dew]

hence the term "on-board". today it's technically "on-cpu"

[patent hemlock]

MB manfuacturers stopped doing it because everyone was buying external cards, so it became (basically) a loss-factor

[patent hemlock]

eh - i just remember when I switched over, that's all

[ebon dew]

not for most business, productivity workstations. those used to have no need for an external GPU

the default configuration for all motherboard ended up gravitating towards "gamer" builds... and we live here now.

[patent hemlock]

"business workstations" caused a bit of a flashback to PS/2 from IBM and those razor sharp hole covers

[raw jasper]

In a PC build, I typically dump most of my budget on the CPU. Traditionally, this left no leftover cash to get a GPU with, and since gaming is not really a thing I do, I've only ever had a computer with an external GPU exactly once

[ebon dew]

cases have come a long way too, they used to be razer sharp. the avg case today is like 10x nicer than the avg case from 20 years ago.

also most cases used to be steel, heavy heavy things you'd have to carry to lan parties 😛

plus your 50lbs CRT monitor

[urban arrow]

Oh you meant Pimorni not Ada... my bad.

[ebon dew]

I think that's a new change from pimoroni?

[patent hemlock]

looks like Pico's are generally available now

[ebon dew]

Oh you can buy a Pi Pico in reels. I got 10 of them and they came on a plastic reel strip.

I gave them away with the TR-Cowbell.

[patent hemlock]

'way beyond my capabilities, wallet, and space constraints 😀

[ebon dew]

Well they were $6 each so it really wasn't that much.

[patent hemlock]

oh, i just have to watch my budget - too many shiny things (and no place to put them)

[ebon dew]

Every week adafruit comes out with a new shiny thing that's too cool to pass up. :/

and now i have 100 unfinished projects

[urban arrow]

DJ - I was JUST gonna say the same thing

[patent hemlock]

i managed to point to a thing and say "ok, that's 95% done"

[ebon dew]

I'm working on a cool new project and then Adafruit is like "hey here's an even cooler new shiny thing"

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-gif-25096048

[patent hemlock]

YES!!!!!

[raw jasper]

Ha, can't lust after the cool new thing when you can't make anything! :P

(I'm surprised this message passed the filter)

[ebon dew]

trust your technolust

[raw jasper]

This sounds like a generic vice prop from a bad cyberpunk novel

[ebon dew]

it's from the movie hackers 😉

[raw jasper]

Funnily enough, I haven't watched it

[ebon dew]

Great movie, Angelina Jolie before she became... how do I put this... Tomb Raider.

[patent hemlock]

Sneakers holds up better

after all this time

still trying to figure out how the blank they got Sidney Poitier!

[ebon dew]

any movie is better with Sidney Poitier.

arguably James Earl Jones too.

[patent hemlock]

and both

[raw jasper]

Sadly, I'm not the best person to discuss movies with.

I don't really watch

[patent hemlock]

well, this one is 30 years old so not necessarily surprising

[raw jasper]

I mean, it's not like I'd have to go to the downtown video club and hope they have it in stock if I wanted to watch it

It's just that..... I guess currently watching movies does not really work for me

[blissful roost]

I still insist those were her best films, after The Bone Collector.

She was really good in Eternals too, I think.

[tardy badger]

My wife struggles with watching movies as well

Even TV shows

[patent hemlock]

interesting - i'm in the same boat

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I'm not really into TV shows either

(Or netflix series or whatever equivalents)

[patent hemlock]

diy, cooking shows (guy fieri rules!) and Lego Masters

[tardy badger]

The show has to be particularly interesting for my wife to watch it

[raw jasper]

Our cooking shows suck

The recipes are way too complex to reasonably make at home, and are mostly a way for the big chefs to promote themselves

I mean, if I need to take an entire day off to make meal, what's the point? :P

[tardy badger]

Or they make stuff like.. taycos with peek oh deegayo

[patent hemlock]

oh, the ones we (mostly) watch are the competition cooks - pro competition chefs are amazeballs to watch

[tardy badger]

The Cinco De Mayo Great British Cookoff was a disaster

[raw jasper]

Ah yeah, and super exotic ingredients costing, like, 1000$/kg or something :P

Or only found in organic hippie shoppes

[patent hemlock]

the what. the. bleep?

[raw jasper]

(Nothing against hippies or organic food eaters, but you know what I mean! :P)

[tardy badger]

https://youtu.be/eCx3MBITMZY

[raw jasper]

Lemme guess, wanton cultural appropriation gone wrong?

[patent hemlock]

pardon me while i watch the apparent train-wreck - be right back

[tardy badger]

Lol

[raw jasper]

...Started watching this. It's worse

[late fulcrum]

The only ingredient I use that has that kind of price is saffron, but I doubt I'd use an entire kilogram of it in a lifetime

[raw jasper]

This sentence was said firmly tongue in cheek

I tried to clarify it with the :P in the end, but, sadly, text can only take you so far

[late fulcrum]

I kinda wondered. There are chefs who use gold leaf and the like, but that's not really my thing. I save my gold for switch and connector contacts.

[raw jasper]

Sorry!

[patent hemlock]

OH. MY. BLEEPING. BLEEPING. BLEEPING. HEAD!

[raw jasper]

It hurts to watch, doesn't it?

From the off-color "joke" in the beginning, to.... whatever this is

[patent hemlock]

i bailed when the judge mis-pronounced the garnish

lots of bleeping on my part

[raw jasper]

Yeah, it was.... bad.

[tardy badger]

It gets worse

[patent hemlock]

my wife informs me that is putting it very mildly

[tardy badger]

Yeah. The show would have ended better if everyone’s cooking stations combusted

I do feel fortunate that in the US we have at least a fair bit of food diversity

Like, I can get authentic Thai food from a place 5 minutes down the road run by some Thai immigrants who speak enough English to do business. The food is so good. They’re so nice and they give you a ton of food

And it’s also kind of funny how you can go to most significant town (2000+ population) and find a Mexican restaurant lol

Though on thing that’s weird to me with where I live.. there is only one or two Mexican restaurants in the entirety of the region I live that has white queso and I haven’t run across one that uses queso fresco and queso quesadilla in their quesadillas

All cheddar based cheese sauces and quesadillas

[static flare]

god help me that made me so uncomfortable to read that

[tardy badger]

It made me uncomfortable to type it and hear it on that show

It was such a bad episode

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