general-chat

[rapid geode]

haha

[delicate stream]

I was referring to the robot I posted being fine XD but your sister is lucky this happened now and not 20 years ago — vegan food has come a LONG way

[tardy badger]

The movie lol

[lapis dirge]

You do what you have to do to try to live a "normal" life. It is a lot easier to do today because of the folks that choose to eat vegan for whatever reason, it benefits those that "have to" eat vegan.

[rapid geode]

roombas are skynet in disguise

[delicate stream]

Yeah, that’s what I want. Except they won’t be under US Robotics I’m sure, lol

[blissful roost]

In other news; I've downloaded Tails.. I'm interested in seeing how the zRAM implementation works.

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-sonny-hiding-subterfuge-gif-25954630

[delicate stream]

God I love that movie

[tardy badger]

Right?

[rapid geode]

i want a boston dynamics robot

[delicate stream]

Same

[raw jasper]

LOL, not my fault it's a short Levenshtein distance away

(iRobot vs I, Robot, a lev of literally 2)

[tardy badger]

💀

[delicate stream]

I need sleeeeeep, nini mortals

[tardy badger]

Tenor knew what I was talking about 🤪

[rapid geode]

"dear chat gpt, please code me a roomba capable of world domination"

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-roombas-roomba-party-gif-18291345

[lapis dirge]

Companionship robots (keeping it family friendly) could be the most isolating thing humans ever encounter. We humans find it easy to anthropomorphize our pets, cars and robots. Heck, I named my robot Rosey .......

[rapid geode]

"chat gpt, please code me a more intelligent censorbot"

[blissful roost]

"ChatGPT, please create a more intelligent human.."

😅

[rapid geode]

"im sorry dave, i cant do that"

[blissful roost]

Lol

[lapis dirge]

Smoke comes from it's silicon brain!

[raw jasper]

"First, set up your copy of the Miller–Urey experiment. Then, wait a few billion years and hope your version of life fares better"

~ Not ChatGPT

[rapid geode]

"sure, and do you also want the mayonaise to talk, cause thats about the same level as you flesh bots"

[blissful roost]

"42"

[blissful roost]

"Ugly bags of mostly water"

Also... "Hey, baby.. wanna help me kill all the humans?"

[rapid geode]

once gpt understands sass, we are doomed

[blissful roost]

I'm sure my wife would be a good teacher...

[lapis dirge]

This is probably one of the rare forums that almost everyone will get that reference.

[lapis dirge]

Or sarcasm

[blissful roost]

I'll take that role.. I have a Masters in sarcasm and irony. 😁

[rapid geode]

i have a phd in frivolity

[blissful roost]

I wanted to study procrastination, but I'll do it tomorrow.

[ornate hazel]

Idk if this is the right channel for it, but I got to interview Adafruit's Anne Barela for Hackster.io today – creator of that "floppy disk" / flash drive with a graphical display! Fun times, with nerdery about 3D-printed space rockets and such: https://www.youtube.com/live/deX2R5fJPX8?feature=share

(PS - hi @analog belfry 😄 )

[blissful roost]

This zRAM thing seems interesting.. but my systems never use swap, so I'm doubtful of any benefit.

[lusty fossil]

V cool!

[rapid geode]

i think my ssd is now faster than ram used to be 15 years ago.

i try not to use swap to except as a buffer to prevent crashing

[blissful roost]

Likewise

My systems don't generally run into swap.. especially my laptop.

[rapid geode]

having 512gb help :x

[blissful roost]

I'm reasonably sure my main rig might, when gaming

Lel.. I only have 8GB on both.

[rapid geode]

ew

hahah

i have 32 at home, it is mostly sufficient

[blissful roost]

I'll need £600 to resolve that issue.

[rapid geode]

i dont think we can open the rocinante ship files with less than 128gb

[blissful roost]

Oof

[rapid geode]

crazy thing

at some point in 2015 or 2016 we made everything 128 min

[blissful roost]

I will be buying another 32GB for my server, but that's another thing entirely.. certainly not for gaming. Lol

[rapid geode]

yeah

[blissful roost]

£25 for 32GB is quite nice.

[rapid geode]

im only using 11gb right now rendering a shot.

[blissful roost]

Lol

[rapid geode]

simple one. 2k res

but space ships kill everything

haha

[blissful roost]

On the matter of space ships.. I might do some Space Engineers live streams on my days off.

[rapid geode]

7.5gb on my home machine, with fusion open. so not much to run that.

[glossy knoll]

That one's got a couple polygons, eh?

[rapid geode]

mostly textures actually

[blissful roost]

Ohh, a few.. certainly

[rapid geode]

thousands of 4k 32 bit textures

[glossy knoll]

Ah that makes sense

[rapid geode]

cause they surte like to fly it by the camera

haha

[glossy knoll]

How long does it take to render a flyby like that?

[rapid geode]

i think the cantebury was the worst one.

um, expanse shots sometimes took 3-4 days per frame

on 8 or 16 core xeons

[blissful roost]

per frame

Lmao

[rapid geode]

yup

[glossy knoll]

Only 16 cores? Yikes

[rapid geode]

x 400 machines

little mini itx systems

[blissful roost]

And here's me, with only 1 12c/24t server. 😅

[rapid geode]

workstations also render overnight. they are faster. we have some threadrippers and epycs

thats one of the expanse farm xeons

hehe

from season um... 2?

xeon 1220

[glossy knoll]

lol, did it blow up or just get retired?

[rapid geode]

retired. we tossed about 75 machines in the bin

including 3 brand new in box cpus

ha

i took all the cpus to make those gifts. and ebayd the new ones and bought the office pizza

[glossy knoll]

I guess the price/value ratio of Xeons was better than using some CUDA-capable boards?

[rapid geode]

also ebayed all the never used oem heat sinks haha

expanse was not gpu rendering

except maybe some parts of season 6

we do use gpus for other things

but once expanse was locked in like 8 -9 years ago, you dont change it

[glossy knoll]

Ah, so once you get the rendering pipeline established, that's what it is?

[rapid geode]

yeah

[glossy knoll]

I guess it would take a lot of money and increase risk if you were to change it

[rapid geode]

cause it can take a long time to set that up, years even. and then you only have a few months between seasons after that

and elss money

i started vfx for halo in 2017. put it that way.

haha

oof

halo doesnt use gpu either.

[glossy knoll]

Kinda wild though that they wouldn't spend any money to try to get better than 3-4 days per frame. I guess you just make sure you set up your shot correctly the first time lol

[rapid geode]

the boys we use gpu

[blissful roost]

I should get into some CG animation gubbins, but.. there's a million and one things I should also learn. Lol

[rapid geode]

the 3-4 days a frame is another thing. yes, we KNOW it can be better, but it workd, client signed off, you dont mess with it. you just pay for more computers

[glossy knoll]

Fair enough, if it's custom rendering code, getting that to work efficiently on a GPU is a chore

[rapid geode]

theres nothign custom

but the gpu rendered werent really viable till long after expanse started

they are now.

i did use gpu on hannibal in 2015. but it was kind a bag of cats

[glossy knoll]

Plus now you can buy loads of ex-crypto mining cards for cheap!

(So they can die on you quickly)

[rapid geode]

saving money never seems to be a priority

haha

the receptionist pc has an a4000 / threadripper

[blissful roost]

Spare a 3060 Ti for a brother?? 😁

[rapid geode]

haha

[blissful roost]

Lol

[rapid geode]

we stopped with the titans. its all a4000/a6000 now.

[blissful roost]

My rig would be a severe bottleneck for a 3060, especially a Ti.

[glossy knoll]

Yeah, V100 and it successors would be where it's at

[rapid geode]

i have a 3060 ti at home

at work i have those 2 2080s

in one machine

[blissful roost]

1050 Ti in my main... I won't replace that any time soon.

Rather upgrade to Ryzen first.

[rapid geode]

not sure where that titan is (i think theres only one of those, its a rare card)

those are a different story

[blissful roost]

Dayum

[rapid geode]

we gots plenty of them

[blissful roost]

GIVES!

[rapid geode]

gpus dont get retired much though. so it will be like 10 years before they are in the bin

[glossy knoll]

Must have been a decent amount of planning in order to power & cool all those

[rapid geode]

its canada. just open the window

:x

[glossy knoll]

lol

[rapid geode]

i think theres a dedicated ac on the roof for the server room

[glossy knoll]

Power would still be a concern though- powering 400x mini ITX systems is still a chunk

[blissful roost]

I really hope I do get some inheritance from The Unknown Grandmother.

[rapid geode]

300-400 ish watts, 16+ hours a days, 400 machines.

[blissful roost]

Even £600 would do for my upgrade. 🙄

[rapid geode]

120kw

[glossy knoll]

Hmmm, I assumed their wattage was higher. I guess that's not too bad

[rapid geode]

xeons and quadros are more efficient

im just averaging

it may be more

especially the machines with 4 titans and dual epycs

[glossy knoll]

I had a server with 28c/52t Xeons and 2x Tesla V100s, and it required a 20amp circuit lol

[rapid geode]

but theres only a half dozen of those

ha

we have 3 phase

[blissful roost]

My breakers only run up to 32amps. Lol

[rapid geode]

i dont know what the power is really, but theres one transformer in the main office (not for servers) that is about a 4 ft cube

[glossy knoll]

No touch the cube

[rapid geode]

120v breakers are 15 or 20 amps here. single phase 240v goes up to 100a

past that and with 3 phase, its "special"

not available at home depot

haha

[glossy knoll]

Yeah, 3 phase is no joke

[rapid geode]

3 phase here is 600v

bzzzt

[glossy knoll]

Years ago we had 3 phase at work for some special equipment. One engineer managed to short it badly enough that it took out the transformer for blocks around the building

I think it was 480v

[rapid geode]

the glass kiln was 208v 2 phases, 35 amp on the 600v side. 120 amp on the 208v side

[glossy knoll]

That'll make your hair stand up for sure!

[rapid geode]

no, it makes your muscles sieze

[glossy knoll]

Yep, we had the canes around our labs

[rapid geode]

along with the person that tries to pull you away

[glossy knoll]

(Plastic canes)

[rapid geode]

ha

the guy who ownd the kiln screwed something up and the sandblaster became live 600v.

he was luck and fell over which pulled him away

no thanks

[glossy knoll]

Yeah, pass

[rapid geode]

that shop was so dangerous haha

900c hot glass. hydroflouric acid in bottles. 600v random wiring

fumed silica

good times

[glossy knoll]

Fumed silica... yikes

[rapid geode]

but you could make cool things

oh, yes, and real human skulls. shudder

which he then didnt use cause he didnt think it would survive mold making

so they got a resin recast

the idea that you can buy human skulls always weird me out

[azure grove]

My English teacher loved both the presentation and the notes (he even wanted more notes, and said it's okay they're computer-ish^^) (also, if you replace "say" with "print" and add how the pause is long, the program actually works...^^)

[delicate stream]

It's hard to make sure you're buying one that doesn't have a ghost attached

[tardy badger]

But that’s the whole reason to buy a skull

[delicate stream]

I have enough ghosts following me!

[tardy badger]

You can never have enough

Unless the stay puff marshmallow man shows up

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-busters-stay-put-marshmallow-nyc-villain-gif-9802544

[rapid geode]

mmmm marshmallows

[raw jasper]

s/unless/until

:P

[tardy badger]

I meant what I said

There was no error

There is no until, it’s either too many ghosts or not enough

[late fulcrum]

I'm ready

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostbusters-cream-marshmallow-raining-goop-gif-13317279

[sharp nexus]

can sombody help me in microchip studio? 🙂

[tardy badger]

Let me tell ya, there is a certain unease about looking for a job closer to what I want when there ends up being so many people being laid off. Subconsciously, I don’t want to jump at opportunities because maybe I’m taking one from someone else who might not have one right now.

I know there always will be more engineering roles than there are people to fill them. But it’s a mental hurdle I struggle with

[raw jasper]

On the other hand, if you leave your current job for another one, that'd still be one net vacant position

[rapid geode]

take all of the jobs

[tardy badger]

Yeah, idk it’s just a weird mental block

[steady dove]

@delicate stream 👋

Hi @late fulcrum 🙂

[lusty axle]

What kinda job are you looking for?

[tardy badger]

I’ve been looking at but not applying for embedded roles

I’ve had a number of opportunities come through that are pretty good fits, just overall feeling of “I have a job, someone is looking right now and really needs one so they can make rent”

[lusty axle]

We’ve been having a really hard time getting qualified candidates

[blissful roost]

I need to find me a new role. 😐

[lusty fossil]

Tbf leaving your job could also lead to a your role becoming open

[tardy badger]

I know, but it takes time to open up reqs so it wouldn’t provide the near benefit of an already open position

I also work in defense who is having a difficult time as it is attracting talent

Because of the optics of working defense

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/1n-h6k39CUc

[rapid geode]

role play a better job?

[blissful roost]

Fnaar

Well, I occasionally have to fake being the team lead, when our actual TL is off.

[rapid geode]

ha

[blissful roost]

It's not like I'm expected to have any authority... I just have to advise on some pretty standard things.

The stuff I do every day. Lol

[urban arrow]

Subject: wider breadboards mentioned in Ask An Engineer. This is related. I have a Feather Tripler, and discovered by accident that the outer 2 rows on both sides are free (not trace connected to anything), anyway, if you solder in 2-pin male headers, it fits right down perfectly on the BBoard power rails both sides. So I routed jumpers from the Feather USB and Gnd pins to +/- power rails. Behold, push the Tripler down on BBoard, and it runs off whatever PSupply the board might have. If USB connected, the Feather powers the board.

[blissful roost]

Huumm... 32GB RAM for £25.
Hard to argue with that.

[rapid geode]

i will argue

it should be free as a basic human right

wait, no, thats water

[dire viper]

Is anyone here watching the Relativity Aerospace launch?

First 3D printed rocket.

[crystal ore]

T minus 15! 🤞

[dire viper]

@crystal ore righteous

I'm watching Everyday Astronaut's stream

[ebon dew]

ah the 3d printed bell housing!

[blissful roost]

Well... It's bought and paid for now. 😁👍

[rapid geode]

i just looked up 32gb ram for my machine and its $164

[blissful roost]

RIP

I'll have 4x16 and 4x4.

[ebon dew]

looks like trajectory will be straight east from the cape

[keen cargo]

I don't know where to ask this but I have an ItsyBitsy nrf52840 that works fine on a Mac but Serial.begin() never returns true when the device is plugged into a Windows 10 machine. Strangely a COM port appears as soon as the device is plugged in and if you double click the reset Windows opens a folder to the disk drive on the ItsyBitsy. But if you do nothing it spins forever in while(!Serial.begin());

[ebon dew]

what language are you programming it with?

the help-with channels are programming language specific so those are the right places to get the best help

oh it'll be a blue flame? that's cool.

Here's the Artemis 1 launch in Nov 2022 from my house. 🙂

[tardy badger]

Falcon 9?

Oh Artemis

Nice

I wish I could have seen Artemis

I’m hoping to take my son to see the crewed launch whenever that happens

[ebon dew]

Launches only happen within view for about 1 minute and then they're in orbit. They go quick.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, I grew up in Melbourne and Satellite Beach/Patrick AFB area

I remember watching rocket and shuttle launches

I also remember seeing Air Force One at Patrick Air Force Base :3

[tardy badger]

$164 CAD? Wow

DDR5 or DDR4?

[rapid geode]

ddr5

um, 5600?

i think i paid 184 in dec

for the same one

[tardy badger]

Ah okay, that makes sense

I’ve only been looking at DDR4 lately

Super cheap

[rapid geode]

ah

[ebon dew]

85% 3D printed wow

T minus 1 minute

Let's go Relativity!

[rapid geode]

3d printed space ship?

[ebon dew]

go for launch it's gonna go

[rapid geode]

seems to average $100 here for ddr4 about $74 ish us

[tardy badger]

Yeah

I have some RGB sticks in my cart for $85

[rapid geode]

i remember paying $1000 for 512mb

i dont know what the 512gb kit i have cost. for dual xeon so it wasnt cheap for sure.

[dire viper]

It made it through Max Q

Everything now is gravy.

[rapid geode]

max q. thats like when q makes your ship into a time paradox?

[dire viper]

Maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle.

[tardy badger]

Issue with stage two ignition

[rapid geode]

hm, looks like $2500ish

[blissful roost]

🧐

[dire viper]

Which is when any part of the structure that is going to break due to dynamic pressures is going to break.

[ebon dew]

I could only see it for about 2 seconds, very dim. Couldn't even get it on camera.

[rapid geode]

why would they want it to break?

[blissful roost]

Suppose I should be grateful that DDR3 Reg. ECC is super-cheap... Lmao

[rapid geode]

ha

yes

[dire viper]

🙂

[blissful roost]

Funny though... I also paid £25 for the two CPUs. 😅

So.. I've only paid £50 for that server so far.

[rapid geode]

i specced out a machine with 4 sockets and 2tb ram once. we didnt end up buying them, but it was like, 40k ish, half of that being the ram.

[ebon dew]

I could see it with my naked eye but the camera couldn't pick it up.

[rapid geode]

granted, the dual epyc systems with dual a6000 gpus and 256gb arent much cheaper

ooh, space ship

ah nope, street light

boo

hahahah

[blissful roost]

About the same for an A64FX. 😂

[rapid geode]

these were xeon i think. i dont really remember now. was a while ago

[blissful roost]

I'm not sure if all my modules will work together, but that will total 80GB.

Not bad.

[rapid geode]

i compared my 40 thread xeon to a ryzen and a thread ripper on a task though. the ryzen was 3x faster, and the threadripper was 10 or 12 x faster

[blissful roost]

Lol

I'll have to run some benchmarks on the T410.. just not sure what.

[rapid geode]

the problem was, i need 512gb, and the amd couldnt take more than 128

which is why we now just buy epycs i guess

i dunno. not my money haha

[blissful roost]

Always best when it's not your money. 🤪

[rapid geode]

speaking of pcs, i need to get linuxcnc all set up on my other machine. its installed, but not hooked to the machine yet

[blissful roost]

Ohh, 💩...

I need to source some SAS drives now. 🙄

[rapid geode]

(to the physical cnc machine)

sas? ha

[blissful roost]

Yarp

[rapid geode]

hmm. werent they sata compatible?

[blissful roost]

Might as well 10-15k, if you can 10-15k. 😁👍

[rapid geode]

ssd

vroom

[blissful roost]

Eeehhhhhhh.... Depends on the money.

And.. it's only 3.5 mounts.

[rapid geode]

the last mechanical drive setup we made was 2.5" cheetah drives. about 16 or 20 in raid 0

but now, a single nvme will do that

(this is for playback of 4k and 8k video)

[blissful roost]

Well, this is only a homelabs machine.

Less money is best money.

[rapid geode]

yes

at work its tax credit money

spend spend spend

haha

[blissful roost]

Lol

I can't even claim this as a business expense, because it's not.

[rapid geode]

genuinely, they get to march or so, and are like "ok, we need to blow a few hundred grand, what toys does everyone want?"

[blissful roost]

They can buy my Ryzen kit for me... But that's only £600. lol

[rapid geode]

ha

[blissful roost]

😁

[rapid geode]

its such a peculiar industry. 90% of the expenses is wages, so things like computers, and screens, etc is pocket change

[tardy badger]

It’s kind of funny

My salary could but like 30+ of the dell work stations that have me use

[rapid geode]

and they penny pinch on them?

[tardy badger]

No idea

[blissful roost]

They could buy 56 of my company laptop for my annual pay. Lol

[rapid geode]

salaries and associated employee expenses are like 1m a month for us now. i remember when we had 6 people. haha

[tardy badger]

My manager asked for an i7 and 64GB of RAM and I think I’ve got an nvidia card too

[blissful roost]

Find out if they need a Linux SysAdmin. 😅

[rapid geode]

we dont use linux

[blissful roost]

....

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-in-spanish-spanish-gasp-gif-13289635

[blissful roost]

Hahaha

[rapid geode]

all windows, all the time

actually thats not true, i think the file servers are linux

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/meryl-streep-booo-gif-13311304

Booing the windows part 😂

[blissful roost]

I seriously need something that isn't babysitting a Windows platform.

[rapid geode]

we pay top dollar to babysit windows

[blissful roost]

Heck... I'll do it, for the right money. Lol

[tardy badger]

I make top dollar to have issues with windows

[blissful roost]

It's just well below my skill level.

Ohh, point and click... Such difficult

[rapid geode]

actually, thats one job thats so hard to fil here. cause its so ultra specialised with all the weird vfx stuff. but we dont pay enough to get anyone with that level of skill.

[tardy badger]

I also make top dollar to wait for DevOps to not be so swamped so they can get me the latest version of docker

[blissful roost]

That's why I'm building the homelab.. to practice DevOps things.

[rapid geode]

most of what they manage here is the actual software running. figuring out why none of the licenses are working. why the farm only rendered half of my frame and the other half are green squares

fun stuff

cycling adobe creative cloud licenses between artists is a full time job

anyhow, not my job, haha

[tardy badger]

Cycling because it’s cheaper to assign on launch than buy enough licenses 🙂

Sucks for the person late to the office after a power outage

[rapid geode]

its a sore point this new per artist lic, cause theres 100 people, but only 5 need photoshop at any given time. why must we pay for 100?

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[rapid geode]

adesk has done the same

[tardy badger]

We regularly run into not having enough MATLAB licenses

And we spend billions on buying other companies 🙂

[rapid geode]

everythings got a yearly license now. so annoying

even hardware

punches scanner

[tardy badger]

We bought viasats tactical datalink (https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/press-release/2022/10/l3harris-acquire-viasats-tactical-data-link-business-expanding-jadc2)

[rapid geode]

a license, or the whole company?

ha

thats one way to do it

[tardy badger]

We’re acquiring Rocketdyne https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/press-release/2022/12/l3harris-acquire-aerojet-rocketdyne

[blissful roost]

I don't even know if Fujitsu are looking at acquisitions right now.

[tardy badger]

Over $6b in one quarter, but I only get a $4200 raise 🙂

[blissful roost]

Probably above my pay grade

[rapid geode]

we cant buy anything. maybe a pizza hut franchise?

haha

[tardy badger]

You just need to get hired for the next James Cameron movie

[rapid geode]

no

very no

[tardy badger]

And then probably get shilled

Lol

[rapid geode]

we did a show with his ex wife

we fired HER

[tardy badger]

Hahahahaha

[blissful roost]

Lel

[rapid geode]

and im told he is very similar to work with

speilbergo seems al right, but he just comes in and contradicts approved shots from 2 months earlier

[tardy badger]

Maybe get Michael Bay

[blissful roost]

My Grandfather once started ordering Harrison Ford around on set, like he was one of the set carpenters... (For a joke).

[rapid geode]

rian johnson is a bag of cats (my most recent show)

[tardy badger]

He makes Mark Wahlburg make some money

[rapid geode]

madman

[blissful roost]

Turned out, he still had the skills. 😅

[tardy badger]

(Reference to Epic Rap Battles of History)

[rapid geode]

harrison ford seems like a cool guy actually

[tardy badger]

I tend to think that most directors are.. mildly insane

[rapid geode]

i dont oftem meet anyone on set. only sometimes the directors

bryan fuller is a nutter for sure

they are all usualyl very smart, but just... whacko

[tardy badger]

If you meet Kevin Fiege or whatever his name is, so tell your experience

[rapid geode]

never done marvel yet

[blissful roost]

I met Uma Thurman, when she was working on The Avengers. 😁

[rapid geode]

although i know tim miller personally (deadpool director)

[tardy badger]

There’s definitely a fine line between stupidity and visionary

It sometimes is muddled

[rapid geode]

did a tim burton show last year. i didnt meet him, but i read all his notes. he seems al right

[tardy badger]

Wednesday?

[rapid geode]

(to work with, i hear hes not a great person)

yes

[tardy badger]

Ohhh

[rapid geode]

we did thing

[tardy badger]

Great work

I enjoyed the show

Especially thing

[rapid geode]

yeah, i think we were surprised how much people liked it

[blissful roost]

Still haven't watched that yet

[tardy badger]

The piranhas part was hilarious

Get vfx on that

[rapid geode]

ha, i did initial work on that shot.

but i think in the end another house did it

[tardy badger]

Oh cool 😎

Ah either way

Still pretty cool to be able to turn on Netflix and see a show you helped make

[rapid geode]

well, my boss was sup of the whole show, and its too big for us to do it all

same with halo. he was in charge, but we could only do 1/100th of it in house

[tardy badger]

Oh you did the halo series too?

[rapid geode]

yes

we mostly did space ships in house

[tardy badger]

I haven’t watched it because I didn’t want to ruin the game

[rapid geode]

i designed the new longsword, and a few drones. it was fun, but the production itself was chaos

[tardy badger]

In that I love the games and most of the stuff I heard from people that watched the show said it was not good to the franchise. Halo movie repeat

[rapid geode]

thats the one with speilberg on top

[tardy badger]

Makes sense

War of the worlds all over again

Though visually WotW was cool

[rapid geode]

the show has little to do with the games. and that turned some people off

[tardy badger]

I don’t have plans to watch it

[rapid geode]

my shots were cool

😛

[tardy badger]

Why make a show off a game franchise if you’re just going to spit in the face of the fans

[rapid geode]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/0/09/Halo_102_The-Rubble2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220416025555

[tardy badger]

These people who make game adaptations really just need to sit down and play the games

The VFX is definitely cool

[rapid geode]

its complicated, but.. kinda yeah

[tardy badger]

I know, artistic whatever with spinning things your own way.. but at least do what the sonic movies did. Stay true to the overall characters and cherry pick story points from the games

The sonic games never really had a super cohesive story

[rapid geode]

oh, the characters are pretty true, but they tried to make a new story, which is needed for many game that have no real story... but halo 2 alone is actually just a good plot

[tardy badger]

Sonic X (anime) kind of combined Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2

Halo 2 was definitely the best of the halo franchise

I did enjoy the campaign for Halo Infinite as well

Reach was fun but the campaign was short

[rapid geode]

one of my jobs was to take all the halo 2 aniversary models and reassembled them for use in the show

so some background ships are literally the game models

[tardy badger]

Hehe nice

[rapid geode]

anyhow. season 2 is being made now. we'll see if they can coirrect course

[tardy badger]

Any other cool shows you’ve worked on of recent?

[rapid geode]

poker face was most recent to air. wednesday, the boys, umbrella academy, halo, locke and key, thats most of last year

[supple depot]

what channel is best to get advice with the adafruit feather boards and hats

[rapid geode]

nat geo channel? they have birds.

runs

sorry

hehe

probably best to know what you are doing with them. python or arduino, etc

[supple depot]

can you install tasmota on them the ones with the esp chips

[rapid geode]

thats above my pay grade.

[tardy badger]

Probably #help-with-projects

[tardy badger]

I was considering watching Poker Face

[rapid geode]

its got a mix of reviews

[supple depot]

can any adafruit feathers run a os like a rpi

[rapid geode]

i dont think so

they are all microcontrollers, vs microprocessors like in the pi

[rapid geode]

Which colour should i order my first 10 test plates in?

[blissful roost]

All the colours, obvs.

[gusty torrent]

I personally like black but tastes are subjective

[blissful roost]

I'd go for black, but I'd also got for a full-size keeb.

[sharp nexus]

@rapid geode white

[late fulcrum]

I like the dark blue with the red surround

[solar kindle]

I'm partial to #4

[tardy badger]

I kind of like the purple one

[late fulcrum]

#4 numbered how? Widdershins from bottom right, starting from 1?

[tardy badger]

I assumed he meant the yellow one

[solar kindle]

Starting at the center, and continuing outward in a Fibonacci spiral. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

[pale rock]

hello

[ebon dew]

Hello Skyla, welcome to the Adafruit Discord server.

[tardy badger]

Welcome 🙂

[rapid geode]

purple it is

😛

[ebon dew]

color choices are always subjective. what does your heart say? if it's purple, then purple it is.

[pale rock]

is here less creepy then the aurduino main chat rn?

[ebon dew]

Do you mean the Arduino forums on the Arduino website?

or do you mean the #help-with-arduino channel here?

[glossy knoll]

I enjoyed it a lot fwiw

[pale rock]

arduino discord

[ebon dew]

I didn't even know Arduino had a discord...

[pale rock]

while asking about how to learn C++, I got a lot of creepy sounds messages (made worse by that guy adding a winky face to every message), and it felt like a mod was almost poking fun at a part of my bio

[ebon dew]

You'll find the Adafruit discord is a very inviting and inclusive place to learn electronics. I can't speak to Arduino's discord but our #help-with-arduino channel is pretty good and full of helpful people.

[rapid geode]

sounds fun.......

[tardy badger]

Yikes

[ebon dew]

That kind of thing isn't really tolerated here.

[pale rock]

thanks, I'm planning on learning how to code Arduino's so I can help my transport tech teacher with a project he want's to do

[rapid geode]

half the words inthe dictionary arent tolerated here 😛

[ebon dew]

We try to keep this place kid friendly and inclusive for all. Please read the #code-of-conduct

[rapid geode]

yeah. lots of kids. also a larger female presence than average

[pale rock]

I was recommended to join here, before that person started acting a bit creepy

[rapid geode]

oof

well, youre in the right place now. provided you agree with pineapple on pizza

now i need to figure out how to submit a pcb to jlc that isnt actualyl a pcb.

hmm

[ebon dew]

If you have any issues like that you can tag a moderator and they'll investigate. Please do not tag admins or anyone unnecessarily. If in doubt ask in general chat what is ok or not.

[pale rock]

alright, do either of you have tips for trying to learn C++?

[ebon dew]

That would be a great question for #help-with-arduino 😉

[pale rock]

alright

[wooden hamlet]

heyo, what's wrong with my message?

wait what

[thick wind]

I think you answered your own question haha

[wooden hamlet]

why is that word blocked?

[thick wind]

It’s a particularly sensitive word among certain religious groups, if I recall correctly.

[wooden hamlet]

Is there some list of words I cannot use on this server?

[rapid geode]

h e double hockey sticks

[ebon dew]

No the bad word list is an unpublished minefield. You’ll know it when you step on one because dynobot will suddenly appear.

[umbral phoenix]

the best thing to do is keep language as if talking to your grandparent or an 8-year-old child

there are kids and young teens on here, the discourse needs to be friendly

[wooden hamlet]

🤔 well that's pretty subjective, I would definitely say "<prohibited word> yeah" to an 8 year old
And my grandparents have probably heard Highway to <Prohibited word>

[ebon dew]

False positives happen but unless you’re being abusive you’ll slowly learn what is or is not acceptable.

All organizations have standards of some kind.

[tardy badger]

What if your grandparent was a sailor? 🤔

Lol

[umbral phoenix]

ymmv

[rapid geode]

you havent met my neice. she knows all the best words

[tight copper]

how often do the pi zero's get restocked

and how long are they in stock

i need one for a project

[rapid geode]

i havent paid attention to them in a while, but it seems they go out of stock within hours

[tight copper]

ah ok

and how often are the restocks

[rapid geode]

dont know

[rapid geode]

meow

[static flare]

nice!

[dusty citrus]

Tbh purple with a reddish casing is an eyesore, otherwise that looks neat
Not wanting to be unfriendly, but just my honest opinion

[rapid geode]

case wont be red

it will be natural wood

but, with the key caps on, you dont really see the plate at all anwyay

so it does not strictly have to colour match

[dusty citrus]

That's way better than the previous render

[thick wind]

If you use a dark stain on the wood, it could look really nice even with transparent keycaps…

I’m imagining like a dark walnut kind of tone.

[rapid geode]

walnuts

i dont have any walnut. i have... mahognay, ash, and i can buy some maple, white oak, purpleheart, padauk (orange), limba (pale wood with dark streaks).

walnut is expenive, also really soft, so not ideal for a case

[thick wind]

I had just the stain in mind, not the actual wood. Anything with a natural grain would look nice with a good stain haha

[static flare]

You could use a walnut veneer to get the firmness of a different wood, but the stain of a walnut

[lusty fossil]

Oops.

[tardy badger]

i'm really loving these new badges for helpers, mods, and admins. 🙂

a cute little circuit card next to my name

and AdaBot for community helpers

little 3D printer for the 3D Printing helpers

[rapid geode]

all i got was a rock

[rapid geode]

i dont actually like walnut. but also that adds hours of work to try and do something like that. my goal is to possibly make money on these.

[rapid geode]

there, ebony with black plate. happy now? (guitar fretboard off cuts ftw)

[static flare]

that's totally fair! just saw it mentioned, and offered up a solution but if it's not something you want to do, that's more than okay :3

[static flare]

looks cool, a little jelly

[rapid geode]

hmm

[sharp nexus]

black

[sharp nexus]

Can I get to know him? 💗

[frigid tiger]

I'd love to find a country where I could exploit cheap labor to establish a business

[solar kindle]

Then you must put cats on every keycap. 😸

[tardy badger]

And an RGB led to illuminate the cat

[shadow siren]

I never noticed the badges till you pointed them out

[tardy badger]

Lol

[tardy badger]

We only got them yesterday

[wanton thistle]

heck

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/theheck-heck-cat-surprisedcat-surprised-gif-20689733

[wanton thistle]

How did you get yours? Mod awarded?

[tardy badger]

I was asked almost a year ago to be a hardware helper, so with the role now comes a badge 🙂

It’s to help make it easier to identify people as being different community helpers, admins, mods, and Adafruit people

The circuit card means “hw design helpers”
Adabot is “community helpers”
Blinka head is “circuitpython helpers”
3D printer is “3D printing helpers”
White Adafruit star is “community moderators”
Rainbow Adafruit star is “admins”
Black Adafruit star is “Adafruit folks”

You can tap/hover over the badge and it will tell you the role

[raw jasper]

Aside: I wish more people came here with HDL questions. It's probably literally my only related skill, and I wish I could offer some help on and off :P

[tardy badger]

With time, it’s getting more popular

[raw jasper]

I started transitioning to systemverilog

[tardy badger]

I’ve seen more HDL related conversations here in the last few months than any time since I came here in 2020

[wanton thistle]

new people entering the hobby 🙂

[tardy badger]

Lots of cool stuff happening that’s making it far more accessible 🙂

Like Tiny Tapeout, more and more dev boards, especially more in formats that are breadboardable or compatible with other ecosystems

It’s pretty awesome 🙂

[raw jasper]

I actually learned it years ago, but things happened[tm] and I left it on the backburner

[tardy badger]

I learn VHDL/Verilog/SystemVerilog in college but haven’t really used it much until recently

[raw jasper]

I used Icarus Verilog and Xilinx ISE. Funnily enough, Icarus Verilog doesn't fully support some of the more advanced features of SV, like struct packed signed

(struct packed is OK though)

[tardy badger]

Does it support bit packing registers?

That was an interesting thing I found you could do in SV vs the 2001 Verilog used for yosys

[raw jasper]

It supports packed structs, if that's what you're asking

[tardy badger]

Probably, it’s been a minute since I used it last

[raw jasper]

But you can't specify that the packed register is a signed value

...While in Vivado you can

[tardy badger]

I like the usage of logic types in SV compared to just wires and regs in Verilog

[pale rock]

hello

[tardy badger]

Hi

[raw jasper]

Yeah, it's SO much better

[tardy badger]

Oh and interfaces

I love interfaces

[raw jasper]

Yeah, those are awesome too!

They make declaring ports so much easier

[tardy badger]

I also love SV C/CPP externs

[raw jasper]

I've only looked at the synthesizable subset haha

[tardy badger]

I can write a C/CPP program and pass into an SV test bench

[raw jasper]

(and SVA)

[raw jasper]

That'd be interesting for testing anything that's supposed to output a video signal of some sorts. You could have an SDL window showing the output

[tardy badger]

Yup, it’s pretty cool

Highly recommend this book

[ebon dew]

Yup, Adafruit discord rolled out icons last night so its a little easier to identify appointed helpers other than just username colors.

[raw jasper]

I actually have that!

[tardy badger]

The examples are so good in it, you can pop it open anywhere and have a really good idea of what’s going on

[raw jasper]

I've been reading this atm https://www.springerprofessional.de/en/sva-the-power-of-assertions-in-systemverilog/2144260

[rapid geode]

florida?

[tardy badger]

I’ll have to pick it up. There’s a number of Springer books

[ebon dew]

Florida is a country?

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/atlanta-lakeith-donaldglover-flawdaman-floridaman-gif-22394483

[rapid geode]

florida is a thought process

😛

[tardy badger]

The reason they launch most of the rockets from Florida is because it’s the only place crazy enough to work

(I say this as a Florida native)

[rapid geode]

what a waste of pizza

[tardy badger]

Unless is was pineapple pizza, then it was justified

[rapid geode]

banned!

[raw jasper]

I live in Europe, have never been to the US, and yet I know of Florida Man :P

(Jokes aside, I know Florida tends to be overrepresented in these kinds of news due to a combination of legal framework and Slow News Days[TM])

[ebon dew]

Ill delete that because it included an act of violence.

[tardy badger]

The only pizza that pineapple is allowed is teriyaki chicken pizza

[rapid geode]

BANNISHED!

orders a pineapple pizza for lunch

[tardy badger]

I tried a pizza once that had a Hawaiian sweet roll inspired crust

[ebon dew]

My favorite reference was something about a map in a hunger games style.

[tardy badger]

It was a teriyaki chicken pizza. Surprisingly good

[raw jasper]

Now I want pizza :|

[rapid geode]

www.bringtomeallthepizza.com

[raw jasper]

Ha! I've been on the internet for long enough. There's no way I'm clicking that

[rapid geode]

i assume it goes nowhere

but at this point literally every domain is taken

[tardy badger]

I want it to be 12:30pm (currently 10:10am) so I can finish my OT and start working on a battery powered RP2040 NFC tag based light controller

[ebon dew]

https://youtu.be/-IOlWJRY2FM

[rapid geode]

oh dear

[raw jasper]

It probably goes to some bot farm domain ad parking web site

Or a bot farm C&C

[rapid geode]

not a pineapple farm?

[raw jasper]

Is that the next product?

[tardy badger]

Maybe? I just had an idea when someone said they were making a toy with an RP2040 and an RFID tag

I might put some different connectors and stuff for people to do projects

Like adding a 40pin FPC for screens or whatever

[raw jasper]

How many sleep states does the rp2040 support? I feel making it consume as little power as possible would be a fun challenge

Especially in the middle of an energy crisis

[tardy badger]

You can get down to 180uA

If you shut down SRAM block power

Big thing is you can’t try to access it while powered down otherwise you’ll corrupt it lol

But you could definitely get it down there.

[raw jasper]

It's a Harvard architecture, right?

(Code and data on different buses)

[tardy badger]

Probably?

It loads the executable into RAM from flash on power up

[raw jasper]

It actually uses a crossbar bus

So it'd be a bit hard to describe it under these terms

[tardy badger]

Theoretically, you could tie a timed interval RTC output to the load switch or enable pin on the LDO/Supply powering the RP2040 and have it turn on every like.. 30 seconds

Run some code, check ports, log data, etc..

Turn off for another 30 seconds

[raw jasper]

Compare AVR (page 9, flash/program code and SRAM/data live on different buses) https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/Atmel-7810-Automotive-Microcontrollers-ATmega328P_Datasheet.pdf and
https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rp2040/rp2040-datasheet.pdf page 15

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Flash is loaded to SRAM via DMA if I’m not mistaken

[raw jasper]

Oof the complexity

That's like a modern computer :P

But, I guess it's an ARM core after all

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Oh yeah, DMA transfer

Kind of interesting

If it has on die flash, it probably would be a little different

But mostly the same

[raw jasper]

Also, SRAM is banked O_O

Programming this thing in assembly is gonna be weird

[tardy badger]

Yeah lol

Banked memory means you can turn blocks off to save power

😄

[raw jasper]

I... didn't think of that

[tardy badger]

A dangerous game

But very viable

[raw jasper]

In my mind, banked memory = more addresses than the bus width allows

:P

[tardy badger]

That’s probably true

[raw jasper]

I mean, what do you wanna do? Read a bunch of RFID cards? 8KB should be enough

Just turn the rest of the memory.... off

@_@

Why do I feel this conversation has big caveperson waking up from cryostasis vibes? :P

(It's me, I'm the caveperson)

[tardy badger]

Lol

I was going to slap a massive LiPo on it, like a 3400mAh. That should run it for a few days

Throw a ESP32-D4 or something on it running Wi-Fi firmware for communication and syncing time. SD card reader for logging reads

[raw jasper]

Oh. So RIP power consumption :P

[tardy badger]

It would only wake once a day to sync time

[raw jasper]

Does it have an RTC, or is its drift OK?

[tardy badger]

And maybe check for firmware changes for the RP2040

A few seconds or minute drift over the course of 24 hours isn’t terrible

[raw jasper]

I'd personally avoid that. There's no way you can build strong cryptography in that tiny thing, and allowing anyone who controls the wifi (or can trick the esp into joining) to just overwrite the firmware into something potentially hostile probably wouldn't be fun

[tardy badger]

It’s not like it would be doing anything critical

ESP32 do have secure boot on some of the newer ones

You could store an encryption key in a secure zone.

It’s not fool proof but there are ways

Otherwise it wouldn’t be used for things that could burn your how down like lightbulbs

[raw jasper]

Hostile could also be things like connecting to a C&C and performing operations on the network on behalf of the attacker (allowing for persistence because nobody would look into the tiny box logging the cards, or would have the skills to probe and verify its firmware anyway, further escalation etc)

I know, super unlikely, but, if you want a threat model, I could go on all day =P

[tardy badger]

There are ways to avoid these things; the good news is this isn’t going to be a mass commercial product

[tardy badger]

This is what I’d probably do https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/latest/esp32/security/flash-encryption.html

Encrypt the flash

[raw jasper]

Yeah, and secure boot on the ARM

[tardy badger]

Does rp2040 have TrustZone?

[raw jasper]

No idea. Gonna look at the datasheet now

Looks like no.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, that’s a no

[raw jasper]

So, not really suitable for commercial products of this variety

Fine for hobby use though :P

[tardy badger]

So you’d rely on your wireless peripherals having security features if that’s your point of entry

Leave only small test pads for USB programming. Or just only program the RP2040 over SWD

[raw jasper]

Can the ESP actually do any sort of non-plaintext comms?

(I genuinely don't know)

[tardy badger]

Yeah, you can put a CMSIS-DAP programmer on an esp32

[raw jasper]

Alright, then that only leaves unsafe memory handling as an attack vector

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[raw jasper]

Can you program the ARM in rust? 🦀 :>

[tardy badger]

There’s rust for RP2040 now

[raw jasper]

Would this board be good for starting with the rp2040?
https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seeed-Studio/102991555

It only costs EUR11

[tardy badger]

Seeed xiao rp2040 is good

So is any from Pimoroni

Or even the Pico itself

[raw jasper]

oops broken link
https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seeed-Studio/102991555?qs=QNEnbhJQKva7co2jo1e3oA%3D%3D
This one's from seed studio too, but has breadboardable headers pre-soldered

[tardy badger]

either would work I imagine

[raw jasper]

getting one + some sensors could be a nice excuse to learn rust

[violet parcel]

Im a minecraft muppet I think...

Like every few months i go back to it...

And build a small houses to bedrock to mock monsters because I find it hilarious that they are so stupid that they can't get throught my dirt walls and think they are scary then I dig down and stops caring

[raven inlet]

Does anyone know how I would go about using the Adafruit QT Py ESP32 Pico with PlatformIO? I don't see it listed on their site so maybe I'd have to add in support for it myself? Any direction or advice on how to approach this would be awesome! 😄

[ebon dew]

Will you be using Arduino or circuit python with platformio?

[raven inlet]

I'm using the Arduino framework.

[ebon dew]

As faras i know its an mqtt broker so id start by looking into adafruit’s mqtt library.

#help-with-arduino would be the best place to ask

[raven inlet]

Thanks!

[tawny sinew]

I'm looking for an Adafruit Feather board that has built in Wi-Fi and a temperature sensor - does that exist?

[stray wind]

Yes! Though I am not sure whether it's in stock. Give me a moment to check.

[stray wind]

Turns out it is! https://www.adafruit.com/product/5303

[tawny sinew]

No problem - thanks so much for checking!

[stray wind]

Works quite well. I set up a few temp sensors throughout my previous apartment to get a feel for temp differentials throughout. No need for peripherals, only the board.

Most of the ESP32-S* Feathers have a footprint for the BME280, but I think that's the only one we currently sell with it populated.

[tawny sinew]

Thank you!

[stray wind]

You're quite welcome!

[wanton thistle]

So how come it seems like there are a lack of STM32 dev boards? The arduino system supports it, and it seems like it would be ideal as a ATmega replacement.

I know there are the black and blue pills, and then theres the STM nucleos, but they arent in the arduino form factor is what Im saying

[umbral phoenix]

they were hard to come by for a long time

[wanton thistle]

pre-pandemic though

(I should say the first pandemic)

[umbral phoenix]

I think just very recently having stock of the MCUs

I don't know why in general

[wanton thistle]

🙂 Yea, Im curious to know others thoughts..It just seems like a stepping stone between the RP2040 and the SAMD chips. Price wise they are cheaper

[rapid geode]

stm32 is old school. they are on stm33 now.

has no idea what that means

for a while ST was trying to push their nucleo ones. i have a few of those

[wanton thistle]

I thought of getting one. Not a bad price but I wouldnt use it in an end application

https://www.elektormagazine.com/articles/arduino-portenta-c33

Oh well now theres this

[raw jasper]

The first? There's another one now?!

[wanton thistle]

Lol. Well, they usually come in 8-10 year cycles historically.

[raw jasper]

At this point, with all the Things That Are Going On All The Time, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that, say, bird flu made the jump to humans

So, I was like, ..... Is this how I find out this time!?

[wanton thistle]

OOF I have bad news and Im gonna try and find it, but the newest bird flu made the jump to Mammals 👀

[raw jasper]

Oh don't worry, I know that

[wanton thistle]

Ahh so you've seen the article I saw then :/

[raw jasper]

I'd say I hope it'll take time to make the final jump, but..
EDIT: I guess the current pandemic has made me fairly pessimistic

On the other hand, the precursor to SARS-CoV-2 was among mammals for Some Time before making the jump to humans

So, I guess we can be hopeful..?

Anyway, everyone's favorite LLM now has plugins! How are we feeling about that?

[lusty fossil]

Sigh

[tardy badger]

Avian flu actually spreads to humans and mammals pretty easily. People who work around poultry often get mild cases. But it still generally relies on the same means of transmission as it does in birds

Generally fecal spread

[raw jasper]

Ah, yeah. It doesn't jump between humans easily, though

[tardy badger]

Right

[raw jasper]

Now I know the reason 😅

[tardy badger]

Swine flu is usually the same way

The 2009 epidemic was quite rare in that it happened to gain the ability after the initial few infections to spread by normal contact

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I remember that one

Of course, it was nothing like what we have now

[brittle breach]

Trigger warning should be used when mentiong that p word

[tardy badger]

Pandemic?

[blissful roost]

Poultry?

[tardy badger]

Parmesan?

[blissful roost]

Well.... it's a .. poultry matter.

.... sorry. 😛

[tardy badger]

Lol

[blissful roost]

I could make a crappy joke.... but I already did. 😛

[raw jasper]

Come for the tech, stay for the dad jokes :P

[tardy badger]

Hopefully the humor doesn’t spread

Lol

[raw jasper]

Alright, I chuckled

[blissful roost]

I can't sleep.. all I do is eat... I think I have insomnomnomnomnia.

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-eat-austin-powers-gif-11107169

Same vibe

[blissful roost]

😛

[rapid geode]

mmmm baby back ribs

[wanton thistle]

so Im reading though an ST7789 datasheet when all of a sudden Im hit with anime eyes

[blissful roost]

baby back riiiiiiiiibs

[blissful roost]

No, keyboard-chan!

[wanton thistle]

when you can draw anime eyes pretty good lol

[rapid geode]

O_o

[tardy badger]

When you want to be an anime artist but have a technical writing job instead

[blissful roost]

Is that really a keeb, or a bad game of Tetris?

[rapid geode]

looks more like a half eaten advent callendar

and the eyes are saying "who ate dec 12th!!!!!"

[wanton thistle]

Nah, ST7789 datasheet lol (GLCD display driver)
https://www.rhydolabz.com/documents/33/ST7789.pdf
page 15

[blissful roost]

lol

[wanton thistle]

I know its getting late and my eyes are tired but I was like "heck.."

[rapid geode]

stm32's dont taste good

[wanton thistle]

I would uwu but I think its against the TOS lmao

[rapid geode]

they are more the hersheys chocolate of mcu's

[blissful roost]

Artificial and overly-sweet?

[rapid geode]

I'm told it tastes of vomit if you have not tried it before.

(so does parmesan i guess)

so stm32's taste like spaghetti?

i think i lost what i was trying to say

😛

[crystal ore]

Man, and you only had one shot at it, too...

[lusty fossil]

Knees weak

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-spaghetti-gif-10576744

[whole plover]

coincidentally 3 of 3 of my worst flus happens in 2009 and 2020 and some other year. swine flu, covid and influenza. the tri fecta

[tardy badger]

😳

I dated a girl who got swine flu

[whole plover]

i couldn't shake it for months

[tardy badger]

She has very bad allergies

[whole plover]

sorry to hear

i learned solder tips really need to be in good condition today

[tardy badger]

Yeah

Bad tips can ruin your day

[whole plover]

i can actually add solder to my tip now, i didn't really know i was always looking for ways to tin a wire, tin a pin or whatever and go like that

but really a pre soldered tip and part and pressure works way better

so basic

i also put my temp up to like 400 in frustration over the previous weeks not helping my tip or joints in anyway

[tardy badger]

I keep my iron on 650°F

[whole plover]

i think i put it down to 320. do you renew tips every so often or do they just last?

[tardy badger]

I clean my tips before storing

Use a brass wool

[whole plover]

i've got that, i've been cleaning after every application

think i'll save for a station

[tardy badger]

It’s definitely worth it

I thought that was a red fedora

Lol

[whole plover]

akin

[raw jasper]

nope, it's an onsen symbol

[whole plover]

reminds me of red bread

[tardy badger]

Looking at it on mobile looks like the RedHat logo

[whole plover]

speaking of distros and fedoras, fedora has to be the best vanilla experience i had

[raw jasper]

this is a Red Hat Certified Post (RHCP) :>

[whole plover]

sorry who approved this

[tardy badger]

I use Ubuntu and Centos7

[whole plover]

ubuntu here as of last week, prior was popos and zorin

[tardy badger]

Centos7 to run Magic VLSI

[whole plover]

ubuntu server at times

[raw jasper]

move to almalinux lest your support runs off

[tardy badger]

Ubuntu for building software

[tardy badger]

Can you run MagicVLSI on alma?

[whole plover]

headless ubuntu for storing software

[raw jasper]

it's supposed to be a red hat binary clone so... idk

[whole plover]

and rsync

[raw jasper]

planning on doing openmpw without even the pdk? :P

[tardy badger]

Centos6 has been out of support for ages but is still very much in use lol

[raw jasper]

until your vlsi pc gets ransom'd

[tardy badger]

https://twitter.com/oakdevtech/status/1404144467720818689?s=20

oak dev tech (@oakdevtech)

Well, OpenRoad VLSI had some issues so Magic VLSI it is! Getting back into the swing of VLSI so I started with an inverter. not the cleanest, but not bad either! Next step, basic gates (AND, OR, NAND, etc..) and then further up the complexity scale!

Twitter · Jun 13, 2021, 6:31 PM

[whole plover]

did u see ltt got session hacked

[raw jasper]

Reading weste & harris?

[tardy badger]

Back two years ago when I was just designing stuff

Nah, mostly following some old published VLSI labs from universities

I took VLSI in my undergrad

It was fun

Virtuoso is a different beast though

[raw jasper]

I'm gonna try compiling magic on mac 🙃

[tardy badger]

It builds on a raspberry pi if you’re wondering lol

It also runs if you’re not running it headless lol

[raw jasper]

then why centos67?

[tardy badger]

Because I was running on windows

I wanted all my screens

Lol

[raw jasper]

I meant, why not on ubuntu

[tardy badger]

Had issues for whatever reason 🤷‍♂️

I also had centos7 spun up from trying to build openroad

[raw jasper]

Ooh I see

IIRC these days openroad is built on docker?

[whole plover]

i'll go back to popos when they implement there new display manager thing

[tardy badger]

Probably

[whole plover]

and it gets latest gnome

[raw jasper]

wayland?

Ah, you said display manager

nvm

[whole plover]

yeh popos are making their own for many reasons

https://blog.system76.com/post/more-on-cosmic-de-to-kick-off-2023

[tardy badger]

Also Gordon Moore, a founder and titan of Silicon Valley passed away

[whole plover]

RIP

[tardy badger]

Also Intel Co-Founder and namesake of the projected path of miniaturization and count increase of transistors in technology

[whole plover]

yeh worked alongside feynman

[tardy badger]

Back when amazing discoveries were being made

I kind of feel like we’ve hit a period of stagnation in terms of electronics innovation. Now most of what we’re doing is manipulating what we currently have. I can’t wait for the next major set of breakthrough that fuel massive growth in STEM

[whole plover]

yeh it's all ai and quantum rn

i wouldn't be surprised if ai builds mass produce quantum

yeh

[tardy badger]

Honestly, I don’t see quantum computing being larger than a commercial tool

[whole plover]

i guess it will be everywhere, all hardware power will go through the roof when they get stable chips

[tardy badger]

Unless we discover some material that’s superconductive and stable at normal temperatures and pressures with normal cooling, I just don’t see it

[rapid geode]

quantum computers have always been.

[whole plover]

gpu textures stored as bits in the bus for all sorts of instant rendering

[tardy badger]

We’re not even close to room temperature quantum computers

It still requires cooling things down to -270°C

[acoustic pawn]

Quantum computers are really only good for specific tasks that take advantage of quantum properties

[tardy badger]

Yeah, linear algorithms mostly

[rapid geode]

cracking encryption

[raw jasper]

RIP

[acoustic pawn]

It's not like you could play minecraft on a big enough quantum computer

[tardy badger]

They are okay at deep recursion

[rapid geode]

saw a thing on that

[raw jasper]

I mean, when you can have an operator that is literally "set the bit to a superposition of all its possible states"

[acoustic pawn]

But you could simulate every possible minecraft possibility at once. It will just be as a superposition...

[rapid geode]

what about just a quantum core in a regular cpu?

[tardy badger]

But mostly they are good at statics due to special properties of quantum states

[acoustic pawn]

https://youtu.be/-UrdExQW0cs

[tardy badger]

Yeah, I was getting to that

[raw jasper]

|H>!

[acoustic pawn]

Veritasium's great video on quantum computers

[rapid geode]

O_O

[tardy badger]

If you have access to a quantum computer you can crack an RSA4096 encryption is like a day

[raw jasper]

...as long as it has enough qubits, that is

And AFAIK no public(ly known) machine has enough

[rapid geode]

what if you use the quantum computer to create encryption?

[tardy badger]

We have what.. 62Q quantum computers right now?

[tardy badger]

Don’t forget your password

[raw jasper]

No idea! Haven't kept up in years

[rapid geode]

my password is quantum, duh

[raw jasper]

Most of my knowledge comes from me buying an "introduction to quantum computing" book at a bookstore on a whim

[tardy badger]

I stopped following quantum when I got busy working for the man 40+ hrs a week

Crazy, ibm has a 433 qubit quantum computer

Shows how much I keep up

[rapid geode]

the only thing i remember about them was we would supposedly have a gazzillion petabytes of memory on a toothpick

but i suppose we arent there yet

[tardy badger]

The issue I tend to have with AI and quantum is it’s overhyped for every day applications

[rapid geode]

it makes good news stories

the news's primary function is to misrepresent all technology

😛

[tardy badger]

It generally won’t move the needle in improving the day to day life of the average person, especially people who have a smart phone at best and a spotty internet connection

[whole plover]

whatever way we interpret ai in todays worlds, it's quickly makign new jobs for people

[tardy badger]

And also making companies realize they can make more money if they fire their ethics teams for their AI products

[rapid geode]

ha

eth what?

[whole plover]

is that a real thing ? @tardy badger

[tardy badger]

Yes

[whole plover]

wow

[raw jasper]

yah

[tardy badger]

Google, OpenAI

Two of the most notable ones

[whole plover]

i've seen individuals speak out and be sacked

whole teams tho?

[raw jasper]

tbh, the latest developments in large language models have me worried

[rapid geode]

any one of us could be a bot

[tardy badger]

Microsoft reportedly reduced the size of their AI ethics team following the decision to dump tons of money into openai

[raw jasper]

Especially
https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt-plugins

[whole plover]

shang

i got banned from chatgpt

[rapid geode]

how

did you ask it to do your laundry?

[whole plover]

it was actually dall e

[rapid geode]

oh

again, how?

[whole plover]

but affected the whole thing

well i might get banned here if i say

o rwill i

[rapid geode]

ha

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-typing-captcha-thuglife-gif-8513427