game-update

[dense bison]

you had be surprised you cant

[silk thicket]

Wym can’t escape

[dense bison]

you cant escape

[silk thicket]

Bro

U gna make me go there on my iron rn

[restive storm]

why do u have to engage the boss at all?

[silk thicket]

Hm u wanna bet

[restive storm]

why would anyone kill scorpia in the first place lol

[silk thicket]

I can escape a bunch of noobs

[dense bison]

i need the shield pieces for example its the only boss that drops it

[restive storm]

also yes you can absolutely escape lol

[dense bison]

they arent noobs there are teams of high lvld pkers there

[hard axle]

do you want the real answer for why scorpia is balanced?

[fierce belfry]

Unless ur going there for a bingo or for clogs its not worth it

[dense bison]

but thats not true

[fierce belfry]

Those shields got powercrept like 10 yrs ago

[hard axle]

or do you want to sit in your own headcanon

[restive storm]

you may not be able to escape ALL teams

but some you definitely can

[silk thicket]

Yh but every group that pk at Scorpia sucks

[dense bison]

i want the clogs for example

[south void]

There are alternatives to the wildy shields easier to get than going into wildy.

[dense bison]

so thats not balanced

[restive storm]

it is balanced

[silk thicket]

How is it not balanced

[restive storm]

its balanced around being a team activity

[dense bison]

you just said i cant escape

[silk thicket]

U can’t always escape

[restive storm]

you're playing a solo game mode trying to fit yourself into a team environment

[silk thicket]

U can’t always complete inferno either

[bronze kernel]

Losing a 1v5 feels natural

[silk thicket]

?!

[restive storm]

and wondering why its hard

[dense bison]

but its not a team activity if its available to irons

[fierce belfry]

Scorpia is like notoriously unbalanced lol

Bad loot, bad uniques

[silk thicket]

U can get friendos to assist

[restive storm]

it is a team activity, you're just trying to attempt it solo

[minor whale]

Bro what am I reading
"You can't win 100% of the time so that means it's not balanced"???

[fierce belfry]

Middle of multi for no reason

And its designed as a duo boss

[silk thicket]

I assisted a friend on hcim doing scorp

[dense bison]

i cant its iron

[silk thicket]

And ma2

U can

[south void]

Balance in my opinion is:

Solo vs. Team in a multi area=balanced for the team to pk you because you "chose" to go into multi.

[dense bison]

i have no friends

[silk thicket]

Get them to chill with u

[restive storm]

have ur friends kill the pkers

[minor whale]

You're a solo player in an area designed for multiple people to fight and you're upset that as a solo player you're at a disadvantage?

[silk thicket]

Gf

[minor whale]

Just don't do the multi shit

[silk thicket]

Make some friends brother

[dense bison]

i dont have friends

[bronze kernel]

I always keep my guard up if I have to go through multi

[dense bison]

i dont want to i play iron

[restive storm]

once again seems like a you problem, not a content problem

[bronze kernel]

Even a shitter like me knows that

[silk thicket]

Focus on content that’s suitable for solo players

I had the same mindset for a long time and I didn’t do tob

Easy

[dense bison]

wdym i play a game, why would something be gated for me? i pay

[bronze kernel]

Whether it be running to Chaos Altar or running out of the Fountain of Rune clue step

[hard axle]

Scorpia and any 30+ multi encounter typically means they'll be in trash gear.

This is because in multi, teams will smite you if they catch you with anything expensive.

Compared to Artio, Calv, and Spindel, which is in singles, you can freely bring max-max and basically steamroll everyone without a single risk.

[silk thicket]

What u think about quest requirements

[carmine junco]

Not having friends as an iron is a skill issue imo

[silk thicket]

Legitimately

[minor whale]

You're gated by a shit ton of stuff in this game

Do you complain about quests having level requirements in skills you don't want to train?

[dense bison]

i can do all quests

[bronze kernel]

Just don't risk anything

[restive storm]

because youre playing it against its intended way

[silk thicket]

Not when u made ur account

[restive storm]

also it isnt gated, its just harder

[silk thicket]

And u paid

[dense bison]

i can do that content

[minor whale]

You're gated from GM by being required to group up

[bronze kernel]

You can do Scorpia with an air staff and mind runes

[dense bison]

harder means its possible to win, you just said its not

[silk thicket]

Ofc it’s possible to win

[minor whale]

At your skill level

[south void]

The multi areas aren't "gated" from you, you "dislike" that you are inside an area you "chose" to enter where you are "supposed" to be getting ganged up by multiple pkers.

[restive storm]

theres hardcores with plenty of scorpia kc so youre just wrong lol

[minor whale]

It's possible to win any scenario if you get good rng and are skilled

[restive storm]

like theres highscore proof of you being wrong

[zinc galleon]

and have a few p-necks 🙂

[hard axle]

it's not even harder, scorpia pkers are often complete trash

I escaped on BOTH of my accounts during a single pk

[dense bison]

ya you can pay for that service, thats p2w

[bronze kernel]

Scorpia can be done with like nothing but rags man

You aren't risking anything

[restive storm]

what?

[hard axle]

how do you know they paid for shit?

[restive storm]

ig ur just rage baiting i guess at this point

[hard axle]

this is just coping about being bad

it's legit victim mentality

[restive storm]

has to be rage bait cuz no human has ever complained about scorpia -.-

[hard axle]

everything has a follow-up excuse or reason

[dense bison]

rofl no, whhat do you mean, i can deal with the vw bosses cause as you say i can opt to go singles and freeze and run

[carmine junco]

Why would you kill scorpia in the first place if you aren't a pet hunter

[dense bison]

i dont have that option in scorpia

[silk thicket]

Bro run east

There is singles

?!?!

[dense bison]

i clog

[silk thicket]

I mean

[restive storm]

you can deal w/ scorpia buy just 1 item ragging in trident

[silk thicket]

West

Run west

To singles

[dense bison]

by the time i reach there i die

[silk thicket]

It’s literally right beside singles

[hard axle]

cuz ur playing like shit

[silk thicket]

It’s closer than Callisto

[south void]

I've had zero actual "forced" reasons to enter the wilderness on my ironmen accounts. I have however "chosen" to enter wilderness to complete wilderness diaries that really only help, well, being in the wilderness.

[dense bison]

change of success is maybe 10% since you get 3 freezes till you get there

[silk thicket]

Skill issue

[dense bison]

and its a group

its not a skill issue

[restive storm]

thats a skill issue for sure

[meager flame]

i think the wilderness rewards are in a better spot every year when it comes to people feeling forced

[silk thicket]

Someone count the tiles

[meager flame]

i think it was a bit more of an issue when like

[hard axle]

deer in headlights moment

[restive storm]

10% ur just not good at tanking

[dense bison]

you said yourself you cant escape 100% of the time

[silk thicket]

It’s def less than 20 tiles

[meager flame]

d pick and vw were only out there and vw was like

one of two spec weapons you'd ever use for dps

[hard axle]

so u just give up the moment a pker shows up?

[dense bison]

you enver dont the boss

[restive storm]

right, but if you're only escaping 10% of a time then you just dont know how to tank lol

[dense bison]

no i try to run but i die

[hard axle]

do u switch prayers?

do u eat?

[dense bison]

tank with what

[hard axle]

do u fight back?

[meager flame]

i think it was a bit rough back when it was like that since the wild kind of wasnt really optional for people that hated it

but these days

thats not really such a big deal

[restive storm]

your gear, pnecks, combo eats, etc

[dense bison]

lets say i am unkillable on solo bosses in wildy

[hard axle]

honestly, show footage or it's just ragebait at this point

[dense bison]

dude like what? its a multi zone, you guys are rage baiting, holy

multi zone means you cant escape if you are solo 100% of times

[hard axle]

multi isn't instant death unless a team of 50 come at you

[hard axle]

wrong lmao

[dense bison]

it might as well be if its 3 man

[meager flame]

i mean it just depends on what kind of group gets on you in multi

[hard axle]

3 man in BUDGET gear is survivalable

[minor whale]

Blatantly untrue

[hard axle]

you are just delusional

[meager flame]

i guess you could solve for a basically impossible situation with enough people that know what they're doing

[south void]

I think ironmen forget they can use all the lighthouse books for raiding. I've even went into raids without offhands and f2p gear just to prove wilderness gear isn't needed.

[hard axle]

multi by default means they're in budget gear

[meager flame]

but that doesn't happen too often

at least not in the places where you have a real escape avenue

[minor whale]

I've escaped a team of 12 people in multi with dspear
They hit a combined total of 14 damage on me, went ??? and I tanked to 30

[dense bison]

you guys read it wrong , i am saying you can guarantee escape 100% of the time

[hard axle]

you don't see max gear folks in multi every 1/10000 the time compared to singles

[meager flame]

i do think there are some places in multi where you're probably a bit fucked in general if it even pops off to begin with

but those are pretty hard to find playing normally

[dense bison]

is this chat just infested with the 1% pks of this game? what is this

[hard axle]

we aren't reading shit wrong, you're typing it out wrong or shit at explaining wtf u mean

[dense bison]

its a universally true concept if 3 people atk you, you may die not matter how good you are

how is that objectionable

[minor whale]

You may die

That doesn't mean you can't survife

[silk thicket]

U may die at any content that damages u brother

[hard axle]

ur basically telling folks with 1k, 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k, 10k wildy boss kc that they're wrong and you have more experience

[dense bison]

dude thats all i am saying

[minor whale]

You're using the wrong words

And being upset at us

[restive storm]

yeah if u cant tank a 3 man scorpia team idk what to tell u man the rest of the games gotta be a real struggle too lol

[minor whale]

You can also die to Jad that doesn't mean you can't beat Jad

[dense bison]

no no no, read the sentence to the end, you may die no matter what you do

you guys are baiting

[silk thicket]

I legit just posted a vid of a guy that literally baits entire teams to hit him in multi

[dense bison]

its the idea of having no options

[hard axle]

and that's the truth.

I've seen so many mains quit at cox, start an iron, and then complain about the same thing when they reach there

[silk thicket]

U have options

[patent cargo]

I only have ab ~10 hr in multi pvm but unluckily the 3-4 groups I ran across all had insane setups on 😭

[silk thicket]

U freeze them and wear ur tank gear

Put on pneck

Get unfrozen pray augury

Run to singles

[dense bison]

what tank gear

[silk thicket]

If frozen u freeze them put on tank gear and pneck

[silk thicket]

Ur D’hide

[restive storm]

the tank gear you bring so that you dont just fall over like a noob

[dense bison]

its not enough

[silk thicket]

Wym that’s what they’re wearing too

[dense bison]

dude

[restive storm]

like I cant clear inferno with a crystal bow, so i bring a tbow lol

[dense bison]

not all groups are bad

[silk thicket]

U can brew every 3 ticks

[south void]

My go to on my newest ironman was:
Get full eclipse, mixed hide, get dds, get warped sceptre, do 150 toa until yellow/black keris, then bump up to 350's.
Once I got shadow, get elite void and push into 410-500's.
Then move into Zilyana for acb (skipping rune cbow)
Then move into cox
Get cox rewards
Then move into Tob.
That's the short version of it, but never stepped foot into wildy for "upgrades" because they weren't necessary anywhere.

[dense bison]

they cant combo hit and 1 shot me

[silk thicket]

It’s not about them being bad

[dense bison]

can*

[silk thicket]

It’s about doing what u can

[restive storm]

not if you pray it

[silk thicket]

I mean legitimately if u record urself when y die

[dense bison]

do you agree that i cant guarantee success?

[hard axle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2

[silk thicket]

Post it into #pvp-discussion and we will help u

[hard axle]

you can't gaurantee life because a car could hit you tomorrow either

[silk thicket]

U can’t guarantee success at anything

[hard axle]

it doesn't mean you don't try

such a stupid statement

[dense bison]

you can at anything else in the game

[silk thicket]

No u can’t

[dense bison]

give an examplle

[silk thicket]

I did inferno

[restive storm]

if i lag out at zuk then i gotta go all the way back thru the waves?

not fair

[silk thicket]

I failed

[dense bison]

you can guarantee success in inferno

[silk thicket]

11 times

Oops

Yh by playing correctly

[dense bison]

agree, lags are not part of the game

[silk thicket]

That’s the point

[hard axle]

u actually can't

[restive storm]

but it isnt fair

[silk thicket]

U play correctly u tank 3 people so easily

[restive storm]

and happens all the time

[dense bison]

you contradict yourself, i just asked if you can , not if you are bad

[hard axle]

that's why speedruns are legit down to the wire

there's unavoidable damage at inferno

[dense bison]

but is it possible you die?

[silk thicket]

Same applies to inferno?

[hard axle]

yes

[silk thicket]

If ur bad at inferno u die

😂

[hard axle]

u can literally die at inferno

what the fuck are you saying

[silk thicket]

Bro legit we will help u

[dense bison]

inferno you can gurantee success

[restive storm]

also at "its not part of the game" when all ive seen on reddit the past 3 days is people whininga bout laggy servers

[dense bison]

not if you play correctly

[silk thicket]

Exactly so just play correctly at scorpia

[hard axle]

inferno pb?

[restive storm]

cant die if u play correctly at scorpia either

[silk thicket]

Or simply ask what ur doing wrong instead of arguing

[dense bison]

so? its not an imlpemented part of the game, it will be fixed, scorpia wont

[hard axle]

cuz again, ur arguing with folks with way more experience

[restive storm]

if you have friends prot you at scorpia you cant die, which is part of the game and intended

[hard axle]

and im telling you, in a speedrun, shit isn't gauranteed

[silk thicket]

I mean legit look at ports latest vid

[hard axle]

you can legit run out of supplies because of mistakes lmao

[silk thicket]

Wasn’t guaranteed

He’s legit the goat

[dense bison]

even with a group its not guranteed, they can have bigger group

[hard axle]

nothing in life is gauranteed

[restive storm]

naw, youd have time to get out, if you dont thats just a skill issue

[hard axle]

nothing in game is gauranteed

[dense bison]

again, you say mistakes, i am talking flawless

[hard axle]

yes, that's including flawles

u can legit get railed

[dense bison]

i disagree

[hard axle]

by rng

[silk thicket]

I rly don’t understand what ur even arguing ngl

So ima dip out

[hard axle]

do u even have a cape

[restive storm]

hes just rage baiting that he doesnt like multi as an iron lol

[hard axle]

do u even have a good time?

[dense bison]

no you can comeplete any inferno run, ask gnome

[zenith pike]

have you tried, agreeing

[silk thicket]

But if u want any help with tanking to singles in future #pvp-discussion

[restive storm]

ye true we do help ppl out over in pvpcord

if you ever want some tips

[silk thicket]

Ngl it’s kinda working am tempted to go there on my iron rn

[dense bison]

i did agree with them on the sildy single bosses, they argue somehow scorpia is a fair boss, the only boss in the game which isnt

they cant agree

[restive storm]

game is unfair just rate 1/5 stars and log out

[silk thicket]

Stop ragebaiting bro

Honestly boring

[dense bison]

i am soloing all the bigger wildy bosses wheree its multi, i dont have to but i chosse to

[restive storm]

if the game was fair itd be unfun

[worldly blaze]

anyone that isnt a youtuber farming content who pks at scorpia needs to be study

[ashen yarrow]

most people playing solo dont like multi combat wilderness that is excatly why they added singles versions of wilderness bosses

[zinc galleon]

did they revert escape cave changes?? I'm going immediately back into the escape caves again

[restive storm]

yes

[dense bison]

game is awesome wdym, pvp is just bad, most of the game like 99% isnt pvp, so game is great

[zinc galleon]

wtffff what happened

[sharp cave]

Scorpion is garbage idk why anyone would defend its design

[restive storm]

the bad pvmers got angy

[silk thicket]

Singles line btw

[sharp cave]

Only those who want east targets to kill will

[dense bison]

yes i agree, i argued about scorpia and they think its a fair boss

[hard axle]

here's the thing, if you want to talk about FLAWLESS gameplay, 1-4 man scorpia is very survivable with FLAWLESS gameplay.

Can't nitpick and choose.

the average gameplay is also very survivable

[zinc galleon]

no waaaay, really!??!

[dense bison]

sure but you can get freezed 3 times till you get there

[hard axle]

same for the average inferno

[restive storm]

mhm

[silk thicket]

Exactly they all kinda bad so easy escape that’s what we saying

[hard axle]

but if ur playing like shit in inferno and scorpia, ofc u can die

[worldly blaze]

fortunately, scorpia is such a braindead boss to kill that you don't actually have to risk anything. its so easy to 3item it

[restive storm]

have u tried not getting frozen?

[silk thicket]

Literally false

U have 5 tick immunity from one freeze to the next, that’s 10 tiles MINIMUM

[dense bison]

hard disagree, ya if you hard try with a group its highly survivable, but seriously? bring a group there? also highly survivable isnt guaranteed

[worldly blaze]

the loot is so unbelievably bad that if you die it doesn't matter

[ashen yarrow]

if you think you cannot survive to multi line against large team you always have option to lower your own risk to acceptable level

[silk thicket]

It’s far less than 30 tiles bro

🤣

Cba stop the rage bait

[dense bison]

i am iron i want the clogs

[hard axle]

I've legit survived 1+1 verus 2-3 players on both accounts

and shit talked the pkers

they're trash lmao

[worldly blaze]

that's fine, I play an iron too

[restive storm]

for what its worth: if you're actually a noob, just wear monk robes and trident, bring masori top and bottom and just throw it on and run to singles

[dense bison]

dude they see you in the middle of a kill you dont plan it

[restive storm]

youll never die

[dense bison]

its easily 3 freezes

[worldly blaze]

if you just want the clogs it doesn't matter if you die

[silk thicket]

Still false

[worldly blaze]

just 3item so if you get a shard drop, you can pray prot item and keep it

[silk thicket]

1 freeze inside cave max

U leave cave

U have a few ticks to run before they pop out

[dense bison]

even than its not guaranteed , cause its multi! hello?

[warm epoch]

why wouldnt they be waiting outside lmao

[restive storm]

guaranteed vs scorpia teams

[silk thicket]

If they never splash that’s one more freeze and ur out

[restive storm]

cuz they all ssuck

either that or u didnt pray

[south void]

Elidinis ward (f), Arcane spirit shield, Elidinis ward, Ancient wyvern shield, and Mage's book are all alternative upgrades over the Malediction ward you can get (outside of wilderness) regarding magic damage percentage.

Book of darkness is just under Malediction ward for accuracy and is actually recommended for Tob so you can just drop it in the raid after Maiden room.

Twisted Buckler, and Dragonfire ward are alternative upgrades over the Odium ward you can get (outside of wilderness) regarding range strength.

Twisted Buckler, Dragonfire ward, and the Aquanite hopper are alternative upgrades over the Odium ward you can get (outside of wilderness) regarding range accuracy.

[silk thicket]

If they’re waiting outside they’re not inside killing u

[warm epoch]

you get at minimum 2 freezes outside

[warm epoch]

do you know what a team is?

[silk thicket]

But u still have the 5 tick immunity from the first freeze

[dense bison]

again you say scorpia team as it is something defined in the game rules, you just inventing stuff for your argument

[silk thicket]

Hm tiles is it exactly

And actually u can simply bring Mithril seeds

[restive storm]

its defined as "the human beings that have the time to pk at scorpia" which i promise they arent killing anyone with masori top/bottom

[dense bison]

also btw i have 600 scorpia kc, its not like a die often, but i argue its unfair, when i do die

[silk thicket]

And ur in singles

[worldly blaze]

he wants the clogs

[dense bison]

you arent guaranteed to reach singles before you die

[restive storm]

you are unless ur a noob

[dense bison]

i want the clogs hello

[obsidian venture]

🫡

[hard axle]

you know what this reminds me of? folks that say wave 8 doom is rng

[warm epoch]

how do you never run into a group of 5 max pkers?

[silk thicket]

Keep ragebaiting g

[warm epoch]

because i think thats the skill diff we're talking about rn

[restive storm]

5 MAX pkers? at SCORPIA?

[dense bison]

i dont say that

[silk thicket]

Idc

[warm epoch]

yes

[restive storm]

gee.. idk thats a tough one

kinda by the nature of being at scorpia

[hard axle]

didn't say you said that

[south void]

Ok, so you are choosing to do that content for clogs, that doesn't mean it should be changed to accommodate your choice.

[restive storm]

you'd never run into that

[warm epoch]

you won't

i have

[restive storm]

no. you havent

[warm epoch]

please go to the wildy more before continuing to discuss the wildy

[silk thicket]

Bro if there’s maxers at scorpia

Please lmk

[hard axle]

its a lack of incentive that makes it so uncommon

[silk thicket]

🤣

[restive storm]

wait when you say "maxers" do you mean lvl 126s? lmao

[dense bison]

dude again you and your wierd argument, i pay for the game, you basically say hey that content you gotta do it with this unfair mechanic

thats just not how osrs is designed

[hard axle]

it actually was

[dense bison]

everything in the game can be beaten with skill

[ashen yarrow]

there are chances that you cannot tank to singles but you are not expected to survive every single time if you are doing minimal risk

[silk thicket]

Respectfully can u just stop rage baiting so we can go back to having decent convo

[south void]

Osrs isn't designed for you to get every clog in the game without dying in the content that you choose to specifically enter knowing you will die.

If they didn't want you to die, you would be immortal?

[dense bison]

ya but there is a tradeoff, since you arent guaranteed to survive even with max gear, you cant bring high end gear, so you are forced to rags, and then you die

if you can guarantee survival than ya i would bring high end gear

but its not guaranteed

[minor whale]

That's exactly how OSRS is designed and has been for a decade

[worldly blaze]

if you die you still get the clog

[obsidian venture]

I pk deep and you never ever see a max pker in scorpia

[silk thicket]

Did u watch the vid I posted

[dense bison]

give 1 example of something that you cant guarantee succes

[silk thicket]

My mans tanked a team and venenatis ON PURPOSE

[obsidian venture]

You might see the rare ahrims set but that’s not max

[ashen yarrow]

you are not guaranteed to survive even in lvl1 wildy in max gear

[restive storm]

bro idk that guy got hit by FIVE of them apparently /s

[south void]

This is getting nowhere, just accept you will die in an area you chose to willingly enter, and chose to play in knowing you accepted death as the end result.

[obsidian venture]

Prob got hit by me ngl

[silk thicket]

He’s rage baiting

[dense bison]

you are guaranteed to survive in singles for sure

[minor whale]

You can guarantee not dying to multi by not going multi

[warm epoch]

virtus/crystal is imo

[silk thicket]

I doubt he ever killed scorpia

[minor whale]

Except you're not, at all lmao

[obsidian venture]

Yes but you’re not seeing that at scorpia

[ashen yarrow]

nope, they can stack over 118 on you

[worldly blaze]

to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand pking at scorpia

[warm epoch]

yes but i am

[south void]

If you want the clogs, I'll even argue go there, get the drop, your clog gets unlocked, and then if you die without picking the item up, oh well.

[restive storm]

yall got 5 heads out in virtus bofa at scorpia?

[obsidian venture]

Bro what

[restive storm]

if so can i join clan

[minor whale]

You can get hit over 121 HP in a tick in singles

Where's that "guaranteed" survival?

[silk thicket]

Leak their loc

[dense bison]

my argument is that its unfair thats all. i will get my clogs, but thats a bad piece of content unbalanced and not fun

[obsidian venture]

Bloodbark perma

[silk thicket]

😂

[warm epoch]

i dont go to the wildy anymore bc i cba with people wasting my time lol

[dense bison]

nothing should be like that

[worldly blaze]

every time I say this he conveniently ignores it so yeah 10/10 ragebait

[south void]

You want the clogs in wilderness is completely seperate from the issue of having the chance at dying.

[dense bison]

i just see peoiple here advocate for more of this type of content

[worldly blaze]

literally nobody is asking for more bosses like scorpia

[hard axle]

and so is being able to 1t teleport due to an alt with wildy player alarm

[restive storm]

man got cleared by the ghost team of virtus/bofa maxers clearing out scorpia thats kinda nuts

[worldly blaze]

deep wildy for piss loot in multi?

[restive storm]

wish you had me added sooner

[silk thicket]

Ye it’s legit just rage bait

[dense bison]

if you had a single version of scorpia i would not talk a single word

[ashen yarrow]

500 invo toa shouldnt be able to oneshot you if you fail skull skip either is same logic

[warm epoch]

been cleared out pretty much everywhere tbh

[dense bison]

not rage baiting legit talking here, and ihave 600 scorpia kc, still missing shield btw

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it’s fun

Yo @ me when you find a max pker there next. Also @restive storm

[restive storm]

its just wild that you saw the one team in the history of the game thats ever been out there in that kinda set, and theyve never gone back lol

[south void]

Scorpia is a single version until pkers log in to the same world/spot you are in. Shit, I just finished running a bingo for my clan all wilderness related and they got over 10,000kc combined at scorpia alone with multiple shield peice drops while dying very (infrequently).

[warm epoch]

yeah i truly cba with scorpia as it is

[hard axle]

ngl, if u gave me the option between multi and 30- versus singles 40+, I'd take multi and 30- every single day.

[dense bison]

i ignore cause there are 1000 comments, i am not arguing i cant get the log, i am arguing its unfair gameplay,

[warm epoch]

singles i'll escape pretty much guaranteed

[hard axle]

multi + instant tp is far easier

[worldly blaze]

many vs 1 is intrinsically unfair, yeah

[restive storm]

thiis is why singles is so boring nowadays... we all can. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to just freeze and log

so now singles is just dead content

[worldly blaze]

but you dont have to engage with it if you dont want to

yet you are choosing to, so you should accept that it's unfair

[dense bison]

all i am saying and these pkrs here call me ragebait and you can escape

[warm epoch]

yeah and its also needed

[dense bison]

i want the vlogs

clogs

[worldly blaze]

escaping in multi is difficult

[restive storm]

its needed? why? lol

[dense bison]

sometimes impossible

[worldly blaze]

clogging is not required for the progression of your account, so you're choosing to engage with it. that's all

so you gotta take what comes with that

[silk thicket]

U ignore everyone and repeat the same comments over and over, ur rage baiting

[warm epoch]

im not fighting in pvm gear

[dense bison]

wdym? what if my account progression is defined by my log count?

[silk thicket]

Skill issue g, #game-update message my man literally baits teams to hit him

[dense bison]

i am answering quite nicely

[south void]

My highest gear setup for scorpia cost all of 100k, and that's for 50kc trips. If you can't afford 100k for 50kc trips before getting killed, then you are just unlucky and it's part of the gameplay. You enter wild expecting to die, whether it's 0kc or 500kc you get at the wilderness boss. Getting upset about it taking you (longer) or it being (inconvenient) to greenlog wilderness clogs is entirely a self-inflicted problem.

[silk thicket]

Ur responding but ur not discussing

That’s the issue

We already know u think it’s unfair and u want the clog

If u want to discuss then discuss

If u want to repeat urself then nty

[worldly blaze]

yeah i'm out

[silk thicket]

Ur being disruptive

[dense bison]

you again misunderstand the entire point, i am arguing its not fair, not that its attainable, i have 600kc

[worldly blaze]

clog number going up isn't account progression in the traditional sense

[silk thicket]

My man with the solo clear of the game update channel gg man

Nice one

[south void]

It is fair, you either get pked or you don't because you agreed to do content that allows you to DIE.

[dense bison]

ofc its is, many people play completionist mode

[silk thicket]

He’s been repeating it for an hour he isn’t interested in discussion

[south void]

The amount of people killling you is a null point. You chose to have the ability to die or not die.

[silk thicket]

He says the same 3 things

[carmine junco]

Why are you all still engaging with someone like this

[worldly blaze]

plot twist, he's actually trying to bait people in max to come pk him at scorpia so he can get an even bigger team of people in max to PK that team

pkception

[silk thicket]

Save yourself from trying

[obsidian venture]

Not sure what’s the original point was

[south void]

Yea fair enough. I'm going touch grass.

[carmine junco]

This guy just likes being yelled at on the internet

[dense bison]

i dont mind getting pked in singles, but if its multi there is no outplay

i argue no outplay = bad

[restive storm]

there is outplay u just refuse to make friends

[silk thicket]

Yh I swear there was an interesting conversation before that

[restive storm]

that is the outplay

[silk thicket]

[worldly blaze]

so how about that game update guys

[dense bison]

even with friends its not guaranteed

[silk thicket]

LMS is nice

[worldly blaze]

i liked the part where it only took a couple seconds

[silk thicket]

Ppl pking today

[restive storm]

it is 100%

[silk thicket]

Ppl playing lms on my ping

Huge W

[carmine junco]

Bring back free roaming npcs I think they deserve it

[hard axle]

it was okay, though I wish they would just buff cannon damage lmao

i dont get why they're so allergic to it

[dense bison]

ya ok i am done

[restive storm]

VIVON

[south void]

I think this would actually be hilarious. I think Crazy Arch should roam, I mean, it's in his name right? lol

[obsidian venture]

But it’s the wildy and it’s in multi so gg

I anti at scorpia and it’s fine

[carmine junco]

Yeah people dragged him down to the wildy line along with the chaos fanatic

[south void]

He is CRAZY after all.

[carmine junco]

It's hilarious

[south void]

It's 10/10 the funniest part of what I've seen today.

[carmine junco]

Apparently someone took a hero from ardy to the ge

[south void]

Strangely enough, one of the reasons I don't like wilderness pvm is you are tied down to the location of the boss.

It's "sit here, and wait to get pked" or "get x amount of kills/loot before dipping to maintain profits". Not really any thrill in the content.

I'm half expecting KBD to blast me while doing wilderness agility without a dragonfire shield on

[carmine junco]

I only wish I had insight into what arcane code interaction lead to these issues seen today. Nothing in the patch notes seems an obvious candidate so what could have caused it? Just spaghetti? A change that wasn't mentioned but also not thought to be impactful like some sort of tech debt cleanup?

[dire mural]

leaving poh fully heals hp now?

im assuming thats a bug

[carmine junco]

New tech discovered

[dire mural]

doing zulrah and normally since i dont have the highest tier pool yet i have to heal hp back at bank, thats kinda why i was working for the high tier pool lol, but hey im not complaining

[carmine junco]

I do know that leaving your house clears venom? I think?

[dire mural]

yea it clears venom

[carmine junco]

That was I'm before the change

[zenith pike]

it does it for a couple of things

[dire mural]

clearing venom is normal, but pray and hp usually stayed unless you died

[carmine junco]

Interesting

[minor whale]

It heals to full for a long time now

Like, over a year

Hold on

[dire mural]

no, it wasnt yesterday lmao

[carmine junco]

No shot

[dire mural]

thats never been the case

that i've realized anyway, maybe im just dumb good possibility

but that kinda defeats the purpose of building the highest tier pool

[minor whale]

That was when I first noticed it

[carmine junco]

Wiki for poh trivia section mentions clearing poison but not full healing

[dire mural]

yeah well now its via tele portals and nexus

[minor whale]

But it has been around far longer than that screenshot

[carmine junco]

The hell?

[silk thicket]

wtf

[carmine junco]

I never knew

[silk thicket]

Is that intended?

[minor whale]

I was corrected in the following convo in there

[carmine junco]

That I know has been in for a while so maybe?

[minor whale]

Any method of leaving worked

[dire mural]

literally yesterday i was doing zulrah and i kept having to use lobs to heal my health back after leaving via nexus

the past month i have lol

[silk thicket]

wtf

So pool is like

Optional?

🤣

[ashen yarrow]

was made like that to prevent lures, people would venom you and kick out of poh so you die outside

[minor whale]

Yeah it's been like that for a long while

[carmine junco]

Pool still faster than going in and out, plus spec and whatever I guess

Weird

[carmine junco]

That actually makes a lot of sense.

[dire mural]

i mean yeah pool is still better, but i just dont understand how this was not happening the past month or forever that i remember and started today?

[minor whale]

Found this a bit later on Reddit

[carmine junco]

I definitely don't remember full healing but I so rarely exit my house via portal I'm not surprised

[minor whale]

Are you using fairy ring to get to Zulrah

[ashen yarrow]

it doesnt restore to full, it restores what your hp was when you entered and removed status effects iirc

[dire mural]

yea see this is saying through portal but not teleport, it was not healing me when leaving via nexus

[minor whale]

Fairy ring interactions are very weird with health and poh too
I tested it a few times

[dire mural]

but i am using fairy ring yes now

i just built poh fairy ring today

[minor whale]

If you use fairy ring and then leave poh via any means

You'll restore to prior HP

Whatever you were when you last used a fairy ring

[dire mural]

oh ok so its a fairy ring thing, i knew i wasnt crazy, thats weird

[carmine junco]

Ahhh, now that makes sense in the context of the lure fixing I think

[ashen yarrow]

if you die inside poh that will fully heal and restore prayer

[dire mural]

yeah i know about dying, but im not dying

[harsh herald]

any confirmation whether the xp is nulled against the monsters in soul wars with this update?

[minor whale]

Ye
The fairy ring stores your hp value, and it's set to that when you leave poh

[dire mural]

the only thing that changed is i built in-poh fairy ring and started using it

[carmine junco]

That is some grade A poh spaghetti. Foundational stuff. Changing that would probably be like removing the coconut from tf2

[violet sparrow]

Do you get the extra damage from slayer helmet?

[dire mural]

yeah i mean i was not expecting that with the fairy ring lol

im not complaining i just knew i wasnt crazy lol

[carmine junco]

With regard to the leagues relic I think the slayer helmet would be useless to you if you picked it

[tender harness]

Mfw they add a good slayer update to leagues but will never add it to main game

[tacit wharf]

blame turael

[tender harness]

Fuck turael

Legit fuck turael make slayer actually enjoyable

[tacit wharf]

said it then and ill say it again now, they should of nuked turael skipping when they did block lists but nope, they buffed turael skipping even more by giving him a blocklist

[tender harness]

Them double downing on a such a dumb gimmick with last year's slayer update I will never understand
Most normal people hate turael

[carmine junco]

Make slayer in the main game work like this and make turrael charge you points to cancel tasks

Hell, make it an expensive slayer point unlock that adds a choice

[cedar quail]

point skipping is basically required at this point. they've turned it into the meta

[tacit wharf]

i mean, if u only do the same 3 tasks

which isnt/shouldnt be how slayer is done

[carmine junco]

I'm at a stage right now where I'm just skipping for tasks to hunt items though

[cedar quail]

it isnt encouraged to do it any other way

when specific things have drop rates that only appear or are bearable on task, you need points to skip, buy upgrades, etc

its not encouraged to do slayer as it was intended

its a time waste

[hard axle]

I'm fiending for a 3rd storage unlock

[hard axle]

so uh

favorite turael enthusiast here

[tender harness]

explains a lot

[hard axle]

[carmine junco]

Task storage is honestly such a huge part of my slayer life. Can't imagine not having it anymore

[hard axle]

Give me 3 more task storage

2k, 3k, 4k slayer points each

I like hoarding tasks and then spamming them all at once

[carmine junco]

I love being able to put a task on pause if I get bored of it like long boss slayer tasks

Killing 200 araxor? Stop midway through with storage and do something else (which works great until you get assigned more but I w/e)

[ashen yarrow]

2 araxyte tasks to kill 400 araxxor at once

[carmine junco]

[hard axle]

hydra is a notorious offender, esp with slaugther

just certain tasks take hours and being able to pause and do something else is a major QOL

[carmine junco]

Oof, hydra tasks are an eternity

I have a Lance and it's still ages

[elder bolt]

heallo

[hard axle]

and yes, it's an actual QOL, not just a buff

[elder bolt]

how i add game update bot to my discord server=

[carmine junco]

Go to the channel in this server and 'follow' it and direct it to the appropriate server/channel

[elder bolt]

ok

[royal cosmos]

LMS - Full Crystal + Full Eclipse should be parted out, they're far too strong as they are. This is already established with drops like Ancestral Robe Top being a single item drop as a secondary roll from a chest, or on zerker, we have items like Inquisitors helm being an individual drop and the mace (Despite having similar stats to the Rapier, & often being a worse option, is limited to the rare bloodier chests at 10 or fewer players)

All the moons gear should be pieced imo. If you want more players to experience it, make it drop as a weapon as the primary roll and the armor set as the secondary roll, independent of eachother. But this would also mean grouping other weaker drops together, like full 3a robes as one drop, full 3a range as one drop, full ancestral as one drop, etc.

Seers Ring + Mages book + Occult Neck + Inferna cape shoiuld be a secondary roll at this point. One player getting Occult necklace & Mith seeds is no where near as powerful as another player getting Full Crystal and Full dharoks from a single chest.

Full DH is also questionable in terms of power but if it was moved to be a primary roll (to replace items like Kodai, ACB, etc) I think it would be fine.

Thanks for listening to my TedX talk.

added some starter emojis yw

[silk thicket]

Full dh isn’t rly that good anymore, and verac is basically useless, now we start w tank legs

[zenith halo]

why is "Talk-to" option hidden from menu if Player & NPC Attack option is set to "Hidden" ? i think the "Talk-to" disappeared yesterday already

[warm epoch]

known bug on mobile

[zenith halo]

on PC as well

[royal cosmos]

full dh is nice because its a tank top + win condition once specs are depleted in a single roll, and its a secondary roll (meaning like before this update your weighing full DH t he same as a ahrims robe skirt), but yh its not nearly as strong as other item sets

[warm epoch]

im guessing you use the c++ client then?

it shares a lot with the mobile client

[zenith halo]

yes orig jagex launcher

oh okay

thanks 🙂

[warm epoch]

yeah most people just use runelite on pc

[blissful topaz]

^

[ember token]

because it’s the same client

[harsh herald]

@winter hearth - any likely chance of the toggle for xp being extended to Pest Control? Seems to be the only mini-game without this option now

[silk thicket]

Yh I mean it’s okay now, something u take for fun mostly ig, but idk I think atlatl is hard cuz it’s so much stronger than literally any other option in zerk

It’s not like we can say add Torag legs or whatever

Even removing helm or something so the set effect dps isn’t there would be more balanced

[royal cosmos]

That’s why eclipse should be in pieces (so you need multiple chests/kills)

1 chest for the weapon + ammo one for the armor

[silk thicket]

Blood moon ur alrdy only keeping helm n tassies anyway

[royal cosmos]

I keep the plate too and use it like b ring

[silk thicket]

Ye same if I got slots

Spec swap basically

[royal cosmos]

But if I have blue moon I’ll keep that helmet

The weapons all kinda bad imo. It’s really just eclipse that’s super over centralizing

Same with bowfa now

😭😭😭

[silk thicket]

Blue moon kinda strong when u get the whole set tbf, like 3rd age robe bottoms vs blue moon set hmm

[royal cosmos]

Yeah exactly

[silk thicket]

Plus with berserker helm -ve magic bonus u kinda want a helm swap anyways

[royal cosmos]

It really should ALL be individual pieces but I assume when jagex put it in LMS it was to help familiarize players with the sets

[silk thicket]

Idk imagine getting eclipse tassies only

[royal cosmos]

But fremmy kilt vs full blue moon being same drop is questionable

[silk thicket]

Fremmy kilt is a remove tbh

[royal cosmos]

You already get 3a legs as a drop

[silk thicket]

Yh but they got some def at least

[royal cosmos]

This is basically that with str bonus and future update potential (full set)

[silk thicket]

I think full set including helm is op tbf

[carmine junco]

An endless quest to untangle old engine code to make new feature work easier, without bugs like this cropping up in the future. This one involved changing some core NPC behaviour code from a single 700-line method into something a bit more manageable. Now with a couple more automated tests, after today!

Jagex Nin provides this context on reddit for why the npc wander radius issues happened. So my second guess here was actually correct.

Also, holy moley, a 700 line method lmao

[silk thicket]

I’d prolly start with removing helm

Then just like

Idk it’s a bigger problem of balancing when u give full robe sets and when u don’t etc

But the burn dps is unnecessary for an extremely strong set

At least if there’s no burn u can play to ur advantage of being vs low def armour

[royal cosmos]

Just make it all 1 piece

Secondary rolls should be shittier, not every game needs to end in giga max

[silk thicket]

Not bad idea but imagine getting eclipse tassies and ur opp gets atlatl

I’d be hella mad

[royal cosmos]

Kill him then you’ll have his atl

Eclipse is the only super strong set in zerk

Worst drop is tassies sure

But it’s just one slot to hold them while you work towards the auto win set

If you don’t get it no big deal
If you do, you win yay 😁

Helm and body you use so no inv slots taken

Atl too good for DDs but I’d want rcb too so it takes up a lot of inv

But still think it’s better

[silk thicket]

Ye or have atlatl in the strong item roll or w/e way it is

Eclipse chest p good upgrade in itself

[cinder ledge]

have a question about the recent bh changes. do i ask here?

[restive storm]

prob ur best shot since mods dont check https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1465348114033541183

[carmine junco]

Why don't you ask the question and see if it can be answered

[cinder ledge]

While unskulled in Bounty Hunter, you will receive 50% less EP per minute and your Archaic Emblem will not upgrade past tier 5.** archaic emblems are only in dmm. so regular bh world not affected? or did they make a typo?**

[slate badger]

typo they probs meant the bh emblems

[restive storm]

that im pretty sure is a typo lol

[cinder ledge]

i figured. thats unfortunate lol

[cedar quail]

Me excited for UI scaling update:
Me after learning that I can only make the small ui I had smaller.

Thanks jagex I didn't like only pressing one button at a time this is very helpful

[gaunt quartz]

I don't really understand the LMS lobby unskulling change, is that actually QoL or just makes deskulling more tedious? I don't PvP enough to have a solid opinion

[silk thicket]

There’s other ways to lose skull but idk always felt cringe that ppl can go to revs, rush a pvmer unskulled, then insta go to lms to unskull and back to rev caves

Good change overall imo - if ur skulling then skull

[gaunt quartz]

Yeah but people are just gonna pick grass at edgeville and just do this anyway

it just takes 50 clicks

[silk thicket]

Sure but it’s much more annoying to do

[gaunt quartz]

PvP is already incredible annoying to me at every level so this makes me wanna do it even less

[silk thicket]

Dealing with gravestone reorganising inv etc

[silk thicket]

Why ?

As in why does it change ur motivation to try it

[gaunt quartz]

Because the only PKing I ever did was doing the rev cave stuff and then hopping via LMS, but making unskulling just more annoying feels like a strange bandaid fix to a fundamental problem with PVP

[restive storm]

uhhh it makes it slightly more annoying in a slight manor? it kinda bricks pures ability to do it, but meds/mains just die to galvek after DS2 and nothing really changes

[silk thicket]

Yh galvek or gauntlet

But imo if ur unskulling like that then maybe try anti pk or pk in cheaper sets

Idk I don’t like the idea that ppl can chill with 4 items til they’re on a pvmer

[silk thicket]

On lms update stuff when veto pures option

[royal cosmos]

Just skip me if it’s pure please let me sit in portal

[cinder ledge]

well the new bh changes kinda screwed me. not sure what ima do now.

[solid turtle]

Are we expecting a rollback due to issues today? dont wanna do any pvm just to get rolledback

[tacit wharf]

what issues

why would they do one some 7 hrs after update

[tender mulch]

bc they havent seen all of the proof of hardcores and uims getting smited at the GE or zeah runecrafting yet

[tacit wharf]

[tender mulch]

xD

[tacit wharf]

should be logging out when yr not at or by yr computer

we've been taught these for a long ass while

[tender mulch]

what a stupid comment. lol

[tacit wharf]

tisk tisk

[tender mulch]

if im at the ge

i shouldnt have fear of being killed by chaos ele

lmao

[tacit wharf]

no different then you getting up and yr little brother running over and making a mad dash with yr items into the wilderness

both problems solved by not leaving yr game character unatteneded

:thinksmart

[tender mulch]

brother its clear you cant :thinkatall

[tacit wharf]

ahh yes

see well i didnt die

[tender mulch]

jagex breaking something in their game is a completely seperate issue

[tacit wharf]

cuz i logged out when i went afk

[tender mulch]

and if you did im sure youd be on reddit crying about it

[tacit wharf]

but sounds like u did cuz you stayed logged in

[tender mulch]

nope lol

me and my 10b bank are just fine

[carmine junco]

Waow... 10b.... So cool

[tender mulch]

oh here we go

[analog crow]

If you have 1.8b in hespori death bank it's on you to keep an eye on your hp

[tender mulch]

yall have a good day. clearly incapable of having coherent thoughts.

[carmine junco]

Lol

[tacit wharf]

it has been the stance of jagex to "never leave yr account unattended" for the last 25 years, not sure why one would think that changed just for today

[carmine junco]

Apparently not having even lost a coin of that incredible bank he is very mad

[tender mulch]

hmm maybe if you did some boss content or raids youd have an incredible bank too

i see a lot of unranked on your highscores

[carmine junco]

Damn.... U got me there... I don't even know which way to hold my dlance

[tacit wharf]

oh no kanbaru he got u good

[analog crow]

Man pulled up the high scores

[carmine junco]

You don't know my actual in game name

[tacit wharf]

how will u ever survive that

[carmine junco]

@carmine junco is not my osrs account name

I can't promise it's that impressive but my ign is Selia Fae

[analog crow]

"I have 100k wildy boss kc so my opinion matters" type shi

[tender mulch]

i mean if youre bad just say that

its okay

[analog crow]

I'm bad

happy now?

[tender mulch]

actually

i might be able to sleep better tonight now

[carmine junco]

For someone done with this conversation you sure are still here

[analog crow]

It's the little things in life

[tender mulch]

that single comment fixed my circadian rhythm

[analog crow]

I'm always happy to help someone in need

[tender mulch]

you know i really am curious as to why i was jumped on when really all i said was its a jagex issue

[tacit wharf]

thats a nice way to put it

[carmine junco]

All I was commenting on was the brag about bank value Idc about the rest

[tender mulch]

listen if youre not getting mad or flexin on kids you arent playing runescape

not mad = flex time

simple math

ty for clarification tho

[carmine junco]

That does track for how people act around here

[tender mulch]

lmao its true tho all jokes aside

nah i didnt die with anything but i know a hardcore who lost status afk zeah runecrafting at the essence mine, and i saw that UIM lose 1.8b at hespori due to something else

really all i wanted to say is that its sad and i hope good things happen

[tacit wharf]

.

[carmine junco]

That's brutal, I would expect the possibility that those people get reset or something, but who knows. It seems unlikely at this point to have a rollback considering the length of time

[tender mulch]

usually id agree with it being unlikely

this just feels like

wrong imo

[carmine junco]

I guess we'll see, it may be that they release some statement about it but they don't usually do so immediately. If they plan to compensate or fix the accounts it would probably be in a day or two after they investigate or whatever

[tender mulch]

exactly. a gamewide rollback is and should be out of the question at this point. but restoring specific accounts and situations has been done days after the fact in the past.

[minor whale]

They should, but they won't

If you die in an area that is safe with no monsters around and a game update they have since fixed causes you to die, that's on Jagex, not you

Regardless of what your account type is

[dark raven]

The same people who cry on reddit when a pker kills them for 10k make fun of the 1.8b uim death

I prefer to make fun of them both

[royal cosmos]

guys in LMS are freezing and not attacking and just waitying for venom to proc
poison isnt even in LMS, yopu only get one sanfew, why did you add venom lol

[silk thicket]

Hally shouldn’t venom in PvP anyway imo unless it’s charged w Araxyte sacks or something

Or wearing serp

But ye def take the venom away that thing hits 60s anyways and u can always melee defending dd

Super strong item without venom

[wispy current]

Less food too 600 hp is too long

[silk thicket]

Nah it’s nice momentum and rng isn’t as important with longer fights

More hits = less variance

[royal cosmos]

It’s not that bad it’s only 100 more damage the issue is the very first fight before you get upgrades may be long if you both get bad rng, and with some spawns (south moser) fog can be closing in fast and it feels bad

[silk thicket]

Idmmm the fog so much just gotta get used to heading toward safe zone earlier

Not gna name names but some ppl were just running around the map finding afkers so they had upgrades vs final few peeps

😂 now everyone has to move toward each other with similar amount of upgrades

[zenith pike]

I don't think removing venom from the nox hally in pvp will have the effect you think it would

[silk thicket]

I think it would

But anyway toxic staff has to b charged to venom

Pretty thematic to smear venom sacks from araxxor onto it to get venom

🤷 makes sense to me

[wispy current]

@silk thicket what do u think is stronger bowfa or nally?

[carmine junco]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/ZnbNOP6o6G

Turns out the 1.8b uim wipe was a troll post, as confirmed by mod goblin.

He even said they would likely return the items lost in that case, and to contact them about it, but the post itself was fake. Which is pretty sad, tbh

[silk thicket]

Not rly about it being stronger/weaker than bowfa/vw/whatever item

[wispy current]

Unrelated question

Just curious what you think

[silk thicket]

Can’t rly answer bcos situational

If u mean in general nh fights then id pref bowfa/crystal over bringing hally

But u can’t rly make 1:1 comparison in any case

Bowfa Crystal is +40m risk in armour seeds etc

[wispy current]

Yh risk aside jw which u think is scarier

I think nally is scarier to fight than bowfa

[silk thicket]

Bowfa dps is just insanely consistent

For sure if ur opponent has momentum and is unfrozen it’s hard to face hally

Esp with vw spec and stuff

But at least 75% of the fight ur >2 tiles away 🤣

[wispy current]

Yh i feel like it having such a high max hit it can just delete ur combo food fast if ur not careful

[silk thicket]

Yh and always being able to use 3 styles when defending dd is kinda cringe in general

Nvm being hit a 60 when u step diagonally

[ashen yarrow]

from the reddit comments, it was known troll/joke in uim community but someone in their discord thought it was real and posted it on reddit. Cannot say if that is accurate but could be if jmods checked it

[tender mulch]

if thats the case i think he should have 1.8b removed from his acc just on principle!

to which i would say: "sit snowflake acc"

[unreal copper]

Mobile app crashes on world hop

[chrome lantern]

Hp is far from the biggest annoyance of the weapon idk

Yeah that I agree with

[queen cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[chrome lantern]

Ok I decided I don’t want to read all of this channel from 7am anymore so I’m not going to keep reading xd

[queen cargo]

That’s probably good for your mental health

[tacit pendant]

Soulreapers passive just too many moving parts. Health cost on its own fine, ramp up fine, both dead weapon

[merry verge]

Mystics makes no sense in these kind of setups. If they downgrade Ahrim's down to Mystic's, venge-tanks are gonna be winning every first fight now with all this huge tank added......
Middle ground would be to start with bloodbark at least.
Also, being in Ahrims robes versus karil's body + torag legs = see picture difference.... Look at the ranged defence difference (ref. combat triangle, if I must remind you). Also melee defence is significantly different as well...

this is true tho, it's so troll if anti-venom pots aren't available in the load-out now with nox hally venoming... xD

[silk thicket]

Wym veng bolters got nerfed big time here and mystics doesn’t change anything if ur actually careful with robes

Ahrim still has no ranged def but melee def removes outplay potential with dds on robes etc

If ur standing in robes getting bolted by vengers ur gna lose anyway

Mystics actually adds a LOT of skill expression

With ahrim u can just sit and half tank barrage

Hella boring

[jade wind]

giants foundry still broken?

[merry basin]

this lms update sucks. first fight takes way too long, biggest problem with lms was main fights taking too long and they made it even worse? venom is busted with only 1 sanfew, bofa is OP, dknives still OP, loot crates still not spawning correctly

get rid of more brews, bofa, nox, dknives, fix crates. ez

[silk thicket]

Biggest problem in lms is that u can’t veto pures

[merry basin]

pure is the best mode

[silk thicket]

Main fights r better now

[merry verge]

Those are some very interesting points about LMS. Getting upgrades along the way is a part of what makes it very lively, fun and adds a lot of spicy variety to the games. Master wand is a good call, tho Ancient Sceptre could make more sense as it's more of a "realistic" choice of staff for these kinds of NH setups in wildy. Could be cool if we got to choose which Quartz we want to start with for our Ancient Sceptre load-out as well🤔

• Nox Hally without anti-venoms available must be an oversight if they are not available it's trolling xD
• I'd say add another 1 brew and remove another 4 sharks (+64hp but -80hp). Brews are really important players need to learn to play with in order to get good at OSRS PvP and it doesn't necessarily make the fights longer, as you can just cut down some hard foods. But it's really important to learn how to play with brews is essential for NH like in wildy or Deadmanmode etc.

[elfin glade]

I'm sure you're right that ancient sceptre is actually used, that's a good middle ground.
Mage weapon upgrades are very miniscule now that we start with a 15% staff. You can even loot a volatile nightmare staff, which is a downgrade in accuracy. Essentially a dead roll on the loot table, unless someone is delusional enough to think the volatile spec won't splash on the big magic defence everyone has now.

As for the anti-venom pot, the alternative is of course to remove venom from the halberd in the minigame. I feel like there's already a lot of pressure on inventory space if we need to bring an anti-venom just in case our opponents pull a lucky halberd, though your other suggestion of removing 4 sharks would help with that, of course. I hope Jagex can find a good balance.

[royal cosmos]

Hally shouldn’t have venom on it

If vestas spear worked like other pole weapons it’d be 2 tiles and a fine replacement

Blood bark seems very strong - anything buffing blood barrage does

I’d rather mains start in mystics with the Better staff although sotd start makes so many upgrades feel bad (like if you get a kodai and later dragon claws, you still prolly use sotd until you dump all specs)

Ahrims gives free defense

Downgrade zerk to moonclan or salad robes

Zerk starts manacles

Main should start dragon boots

Vengers really not an issue first fight if you’re decent, it’s only when they have special upgrades that make them very annoying (dh, atl, voli, vw, etc) where they can stack big damage

[meager flame]

I mean the dps ramp part is pretty irrelevant it’s still better than everything below it and worse than the weapon above it outside of slayer and vard

If it weren’t for the hp you would just safely never think about your stacks for any reason

[chrome lantern]

The ramp part is super relevant lmao

It’s the main reason alone you don’t use it almost anywhere in raids

[merry verge]

I'd rather vote for reducing the amount of hard foods before reducing the amount of brews

[meager flame]

I mean that shouldn’t be the only reason

It’s still better dps if you care about that

[brisk hill]

I miss when Lms let you veng on pures

[chrome lantern]

It’s worse than not using SRA at like all of ToB other than verzik

That’s pretty significant

CoX I would laugh at you if you brought it at all

[meager flame]

Compared to what exactly

[royal cosmos]

GMaul and Darkbow should be isecondary roll items, but otherwise i agree on better loot logic. I use both on maul and dark bow on mains regularly

i use the 3a hats too, kilt i do use but should be removed from zerk its poo

autocast shouldnt ever be used, but master wand is fine (tho ancient sceptre makjes more sense imo)

[chrome lantern]

Weapons that are 10x easier to get

[merry verge]

zerker mode is the most fun because it has the moons sets, those are so fun to use 😄 (But needing to click 2 prayers for every melee wack is really annoying tho, I do wish Jagex manages a tier 4 melee prayer soon enough...)

[chrome lantern]

A tent whip is better than sra at tob

[royal cosmos]

conversely i think zerk is the worst because of eclipse set being so imbalanced

stronger than knives, vls, etc.

[chrome lantern]

SRA is beaten by a tent whip or bp literally everywhere other than verzik

(Or fang sote)

[meager flame]

Idk the last time I looked at it it definitely wasn’t better dps it was just safer and easier so people prefer to use other things

Bp is probably true

But that’s not a melee weapon

[chrome lantern]

You are trolling if you use sra on maiden, bloat, or nylo

[chrome lantern]

Doesn’t really matter if it is or not, because the fact remains that it’s just not good

Xarpus though I will concede that the hp matters

[meager flame]

Yeah but they’re never going to tune sra to beat a bp

[chrome lantern]

I mean they don’t really have to, I was just pointing out it’s not useful in any of the pre-rooms for ToB

[meager flame]

It would be like saying shadow is harder to get so why does a bp do better on maiden

[chrome lantern]

Even at places like Vardorvis where it’s BiS the ramp also just adds unnecessary feeling of rushing between kills. Not saying that I want to afk for 5 minutes between kills but I don’t think the ramp adds value even at places where you mostly upkeep stacks between things

The ramp also makes it suck for PNM, but I don’t personally think SRA or scythe should be good crush weapons so that’s partially a separate issue

[meager flame]

I don’t really think it’s fun I was just saying that even if you ramp from 0 stacks to start every kill most of the bosses like those two

It’s still just better than the reasonable alternatives damage wise

It’s only really worse dps than the stuff it’s supposed to be worse than usually like at pnm it won’t beat a mace

But it’s quite ahead of most crush weapons

[chrome lantern]

Ah yes, compare it to something that's somehow even more rare

Mace without inq isn't even better than SRA is it

[meager flame]

I’d have to look but it’s probably close if it isn’t

[merry verge]

The blood bark body + legs would only add a +1 heal to like 1/10 blood barrage hits. It's really, really miniscule.
Nerfing zerk robes that hard would be way too hard, especially with Manacles. You must be a venge-tank? xD
Manacles makes no sense, zerks can start rune boots or mystic boots (choice) then loot aranea boots in chest as upgrade.

[merry verge]

it's not that likely to get tho, and it does also kind of require infernal cape to go with it for it to be very good. Also can be countered by kiting outside of 6 tiles

[elfin glade]

Eclipse got another buff this update with ultor ring being possible loot btw

[royal cosmos]

you def just made up the heal stats lol, and i know this because more than half of your hits would buff you, basically 0-13 its usually no buff, but 14+ is usually a buff
not a venge tank, if youre that concerned take tome of fire (or we can add mages book)
why wouldnt an item they already have not make sense
spiked manacles have negative magic def (unlike rune boots) - so if youre concerned about landing freezes theyll add to counterplay while also not providing additional passive def bonsues

[royal cosmos]

its available in any chest, not just bloodier keys. its all one item roll, and even longrange at 4t itll out dps basically anything
but thats also if you can get outside the range because theyre camping full mage defense (in exchange for no other defense) so you often cant get away from them - especially with a small final area

[merry verge]

Sorry, yeah that was just a rough estimate. I did check the math now, it's effectively a +1 heal on 6/10 hits to be precise:

[royal cosmos]

you can hit higher than that

35+ is 2

[merry verge]

oh true, with staff of the dead (or any 15% magic wep), 35 is possible, and at that max hit, bloodbark body+legs would do a +2 heal xD

[royal cosmos]

but it goes higher because it scales with other items

if you get a kodai or a magus ring or malward itll go higher

but regardless, not calcing it rn but BB is likely highest effective DPS (dps + heal) on average by a decent margin in starting gear, a +1dmg hit in some cases and a +1heal in some is pretty significant imo

[merry verge]

the discussion was whether or not Ahrim's should be downgraded as starter gear tho, and I was suggesting Bloodbark to be a nice middle ground

mystics is like not even used in wildy NH anymore even in the raggiest setups people use bloodbark now

[merry verge]

not much, 36-37 is only a +1. And I don't think you can even get enough magic strength to hit 38.

unless they add Virtus instead of Ancestral, which would make more sense now that we are on that topic.. 😛

[royal cosmos]

virtus is added but in virtus ur not in bloodbark so thats moot

[royal cosmos]

yeah id rather bb over ahrims

for like new players bb is probably a decent alternative but for better players BB is just better, esp once you get kodai or purging

[royal cosmos]

in the sense that its a buff over ahrims, not a downgrade

its kinda like taking a b-ring over a warrior ring kinda thing

[merry verge]

Wait, Ahrim's is +15 magic accuracy over bloodbark.. You really would choose Bloodbark over ahrims just for those occational +1 heals or rare +2 heals on blood barrages? Don't forget many of the most important casts are actually ice barrages to catch important freezes..:o

[royal cosmos]

i cast ice barrage 10 times and blood barrage 30 times

mystics vs ahrims is 17 diff
but thats not enough in terms of accuracy differential
for reference half tanking a barrage is -35 accuracy and is like a 15% accuracy difference

especially if its equal (like both starting in bloodbark) it doesnt matter regardless, youre both have the same freeze odds until upgrades happen, and once those mage upgrades come in id rather Bloodbark with kodai, puring, anc/virt hat, ward, magus ring, etc.

vengers really just have no shot to win regardless unless youre newer to PvP or have insanely bad luck anyways

[round lintel]

I wish Cargo allows you to store your gems from salvaging xdd

[meager flame]

dont worry we'll get that gem bag upgrade like a year after we're all already 99 sailing

[opaque sparrow]

They really need to make the Looting bag a "always" drop in the wilderness (as long as you don't currently have one)
Cause I lost all my stuff having to kill 60 damn skeletons just to get a looting bag 😒.

[tacit wharf]

i mean, there are other ways of getting them as well

[opaque sparrow]

How? It says you need to kill things in the wilderness?

[tacit wharf]

[[looting bag note]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Looting_bag_note

[opaque sparrow]

And they all basically have a 1/50 drop rate or something like that. My luck is so bad it always takes me like 60 kills lol

[tacit wharf]

oh i did a thing

nice

[opaque sparrow]

I mean I guess that works too but I'm not a pvper I never really have done LMS.

[tacit wharf]

u dont have to be a pvper to get 1 lms kill

[opaque sparrow]

Do i need equipment? Or does it provide stuff for you?

[tacit wharf]

so ask yrself whats going to take longer, 1 lms kill or 60 skeletons

[opaque sparrow]

Can you stack those notes?

[tacit wharf]

lms has "pre-loaded" loadouts

and yes, u can

[opaque sparrow]

Well I'll have to give it a try. Hopefully I can get a kill lol

I'm still learning pray switches and gear switches.

Appreciate you

[tacit wharf]

no worries, and if anything im sure there is a yt vid with beginner set ups and trip/tricks

[opaque sparrow]

Sweet, thanks ace

[austere mulch]

can you interface stall to prevent stacks depleting?

not saying thats great by any means if so

[round lintel]

when do you guys think we will have blood moon rises?

[austere mulch]

august is my guess

july earliest

[ember token]

i dont think its THAT delayed

[round lintel]

so this is the roadmap and the mod earlier said sweep up around June

[ember token]

my guess would be after leagues

[round lintel]

Earlier today

[austere mulch]

august is just late summer which is how they have it on the roadmap

toa was also a summer release in august

[ember token]

i'm not saying that it cant be august because the roadmap says summer

[kind surge]

don't see a reason for bmr to be delayed

[ember token]

im just saying that i dont think it's been delayed that much

[kind surge]

the raid sure, they don't know what mega to have yet

[austere mulch]

ye i was js that august wouldnt be 'delayed' per say

based on the roadmap

the delay was just to summer

[tacit wharf]

well its not coming out before dmm allstars is finished, which is going ot take till the end of june

[ember token]

all stars is june 6 to june 15, so around the same time as leagues ending, with the finale being live on the 20th

so i wouldnt really say that gets in the way

[tacit wharf]

ya just saying july would be the earliest for bmr

[austere mulch]

• travel back to uk after the event in chicago

[tacit wharf]

would be a great time to announce the date of release though

[ember token]

i mean the entire company isnt going to chicago

idk my thinking is that before the delay, it wouldve been out by now or very soon, and I doubt that the quest needed a whole extra 4-5 months

[tacit wharf]

but yr not launching something like that when you have an event going, a meet up happening, and im sure quite a few staff traveling

[ember token]

consider that in the leagues blog, they mentioned new content released during leagues will be enabled on a case by case basis

or something along those lines

which is interesting because there is no new content coming during leagues that we know of

[tacit wharf]

i mean we do have pirate boats but that could be before league start

[ember token]

but also the league doesnt have sailing anyways

[tacit wharf]

dont exactly know what the summer sweap ups going to entail

[ember token]

so any sailing stuff isn't in question on if itd be in leagues or not

so I think its possible that BMR is released during leagues (and realistically it'd be in the 2nd half)

[tacit wharf]

that would be a really horrible time to if u asked me

[ember token]

I just think july or august would be kinda crazy

[tacit wharf]

i could see it going down like this

june 20th on stage, they announce the bmr date ( july 8th or 15th)

gives em 2 or 3 weeks after the event, lets people get some notice for time off, and still able to swing with the hype from the dmm final

[austere mulch]

i would be extremelyt surprised to see bmr drop in june

with all stars being the 20th

agree with ace, i think its early-mid july at the absolute earliest

[round lintel]

tbh all stars doesnt really hype me, first time was good except the villain was Westham (allegedly streamsniping) second time villain was Ditter, same reasons same group of people and their chats all day saying it

which tbh is soo boring...

[austere mulch]

i find there to be very little interesting about creator only events outside of GG if youd even consider that to an event as opposed to just a great youtube series

on top of there not being a single finale to a dmm event that has been positive

and personally not caring for dmm

not even an ounce of hype on my end lol

its cool that theyre doing a US based event though

[round lintel]

I mean it was interesting the first time but the victim mentality some streamers adopt is soo stupid in my opinion

is a pvp event and only 1 world and then accuse anyone of stream sniping if they get found

like sooo ass

is always the same people with this mentality

[tacit wharf]

i mean, change the person yr watching then?

[round lintel]

thats the thing im not watching the person accusing but the being accused one, then just turned off cuz it all becomes a drama hear-say

[tacit wharf]

i mean, a reason i dont watch oda, not because he's a bad guy, just he can be a bit annoying at times and by extention his community

[round lintel]

didnt want to say names but yeah

same victim mentality and his cult

sooo boring for other creators

[tacit wharf]

westham, great stream, fkin hate his sub alerts so i tend to not watch as much

[round lintel]

first all stars i stuck with Donator

low chat, great response by him

he wouldnt care less about the drama around him

[tacit wharf]

its just about finding the 1 2 or 3 streams that you can enjoy listening to and following

[ember token]

i just dont watch streams at all

[round lintel]

In normal circunstances i dont

[tacit wharf]

and thats fine, maybe a highlist vid is more yr style

[round lintel]

just for that one event

but after last all stars where, eventhough im not a fan of Ditter nor I find his behavior political correct, I dont like the bigger streamers bullying the smaller one just because he can.

Then saying I dont incite my chat to spread hate but then he mocks the streamer giving room to their followers to think its correct

[tacit wharf]

all i got to say is, just cuz you think one one or another doesnt make yr views any more right then someone elses

and

there's always an off buttom

[round lintel]

anyways hopefully we get a day for bmr

[round lintel]

Hopefully this luck sticks