game-update

[patent magnet]

so the cape that need 0 law runes is better

crafting cape, con cape

[tender harness]

The cape is more effort

[patent magnet]

etc

[tender harness]

And should be better

Fuck the neck

Literally there is no take or defense for sailors amulet

Its broken

It needs a nerf

The pandamonium teleport alone is better than the sailors cape

[patent magnet]

know whats also a fast bank

[tender harness]

replies

[patent magnet]

emerald ring enchanted

should we add cwars tele to crafting cape?

[tender harness]

• A neck that is so absurdly powerful for something with near zero rarity or upkeep and a very very low level unlock
• It has a teleport that’s 1 tick further from a bank than the crafting cape and only requires 67 sailing and 20 gp per tele
• would still be really good if the bank chest wasnt there because it's also right next to charter ships and a furnace
• Compare it to other stuff like Drakan’s medallion and see how Jagex specifically put it further from a bank

But I get it no my overpowered neck dont nerf it dont take it away 😭 absolutely bad takes defending a broken neck

Sorry i cant dumb it down for you

[obsidian venture]

I mean it is silly

[patent magnet]

99 capes are stupid and jagex has admitted that they are too powerful

[obsidian venture]

If anything adjust charge rate

Wouldn't impact it too much

[patent magnet]

might as well just make max cape a rotten potato at this point

[tender harness]

You got a source on that claim?

[obsidian venture]

Max cape is deserving of it tbh

It would be silly to have a free neck replace something that takes a good chunk of time

[patent magnet]

was the sailing QA blog when someone asked to add more shit to sailing cape

look it up cape boy

they were always meant to just be 100/99

not free teleports to every edge of the map

just delete law runes tbh

add all the teleports to mage cape

[tender harness]

Brother making claims and not even citing

[tender harness]

Can't wait for BMR where drakans gets an upgrade that teleports you to verzik and skips 90% of tob and also gives you a 1/3 for purp

[obsidian venture]

hawly

[true talon]

Law runes pretty much no relevant now XD

Like an early game thing, but once you get a house its GG

House and certain teleport items

[ashen yarrow]

hunter cape with quetzal perk next

[obsidian venture]

true

[true talon]

I unlocked the unlimited one which cost a lot of hunter meat lol

[ashen yarrow]

quetzal buff allows it to teleport to bank 1-2 ticks slower than crafting cape too

[true talon]

Crafting cape is just not relevent tbh

[remote ruin]

I've decided to wait until the varlamore diary comes out, and hope that it comes with a discount per tier for getting the infinite whistle

I just can't be bothered to spend the money or time on the meat rn

[bronze kernel]

The whistle is way too expensive for what it costs. Every other permanent imbue like this is like 1K. Not 10K. And something that should have been added on Day 1.

[hard axle]

Definitely an interesting dynamic when some cost 1/10 of a law rune and the other cost a lot more, though I prefer the later

[bronze kernel]

I was expecting the perfect whistle to be the unlimited one on release

But nope

For whatever reason, it wasn't the case.

[chrome lantern]

This is what they posted before we got the progress-toward-imbue update and it basically at the end just means that they indefinitely put off reducing the quantity to a reasonable amount until we have achievements diaries

Which I can only assume would come at some undisclosed point after we get Tempestus, maybe the oceans west of Varlamore, and maybe even whatever quests follow (that will probably link Kourend and Varlamore quests via Xeric, who went “to the south”)

[bronze kernel]

Already dropped like a massive stack of meat I had stocked up from many rumors

And even then, it wasnt even enough. Just barely like half

[warm quiver]

small indie company

As part of the Getting Around Poll feedback, you reminded us that the unlimited Quetzal Whistle changes were promised in a blog in September 2023, and we can only apologise for the delay. Thanks for sticking with us on this one and for holding us accountable, we appreciate your patience.

[bronze kernel]

I'm aware. Like how did you completely miss this?

[true talon]

i did 89-99 hunter though rumors, i had enough meat for the whistle + 1100 antlelope left over

[bronze kernel]

Granted a large chunk of it I did cook. Mostly the higher tier stuff. But that was before they added the change. Don't think it was even close to half.

[true talon]

ya i didnt cook any, i actually finished hunter grind when they put the update out lol

for the unlimited whistle

[minor whale]

Only took 2 and a half years yahooooo

[bronze kernel]

What's the excuse?

They didn't do the connection to the Eagle network because "Oh uhhh. We couldn't find a way to make it fit"

The Eagle network is already terrible as is. And the fact you can't even tie a permanent rope to the bird so you don't have to bring one each time.

[warm epoch]

quatzal whistle should bring you to eagle locations

[hard axle]

Only if you see the Eagles and Quetzals brawling it out when you TP over

[bronze kernel]

Surprised the Eagle Network wasn't brought up with the getting around blog

I think adding in a few more locations and an easily accessible access point would be perfect or cool

[tender harness]

eagle network is just a product of the past

its terrible frankly

[bronze kernel]

Alternative would be to just outright remove them from having to go into a cave for them and have them just be outside like Quetzals

[tender harness]

I mean that would be a start but they serve no benefit with the metric tonne of transport options we have already

who the fuck uses them

[bronze kernel]

Another forgotten transportation method. The train between Dorgesh-Kan and Keldagrim

[sharp cave]

wait so do incendiary cannonballs work on sharks and stuff or what?

or is it literally just birds?

[south void]

Should be everything

[thick beacon]

guys when jagex says late may or early june that would this week or next week right?

[tacit wharf]

id say so

[rancid rain]

just so I can plan my work day tomorrow, incendiary cannonball smithing nerf happens when?

[winged raptor]

im not sure if "proposed" changes are confirmed, but something is most likely changing on wednesday

[harsh herald]

hope they dont remove the 3t rubium. its a funner method than granite

[serene lodge]

no its not

its just because its new you like it

[spark lava]

Wym it’s not? It’s easier since you don’t have to drop anything

[tender harness]

Didnt know you knew what their definition of fun was

[tender harness]

Same rates as granite
Easier
Stackable resource
Its a bit OP. They know the demand is there for alternative to granite it just was never meant to be rubium

[harsh herald]

Tbf I wouldn't say its easier than granite (the no dropping part is) but the movement is a little bit trickier

They already made granite easier with the Summer Shore spot which is a 2x2 without worrying about desert heat

[tender harness]

You dont need to worry about heat anyways with desert neck or enchanted water tiara

[harsh herald]

Can't get them on the 10hp when doing it unfortunately 😅

[serene lodge]

he said fun not easier

[tender harness]

Funny thing
It can be fun and easier

[true talon]

is vangaurds broken?? i just had a 1+4 vangaurd reset while all 3 were below 30%

werid got them all to the same hp as before an they didnt reset this time

[south void]

🍝 code

[hard axle]

Get regenned

But yeah, I wouldn’t trust the percentages if they’re right on edge

[quartz anchor]

Runelite also isn't accurate since it doesnt have access to the API. They kinda just guess very accurately

[true talon]

Would toa be better if it had person scaling like cox, were you can add like fake people to increase the hp of the bosses. like you could do a 1+7 raid

[nocturne solstice]

gunna say no

[narrow folio]

would be fine to add but i dont think many people would use that option

[tacit wharf]

dont think cox should even have it, so no

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like it's counter productive to the issues TOA has and doesn't add to the raid.
ToA had problems due to drops being too frequent (which we already discussed at length about it previously) and having a solo toa with 8 people drop rates is pretty nuts and will scuff the drop rates even more.

It also lets people do much easier invos but still get much higher drop rate without making the raid "harder" with invocations. It's boring and messes with drop rates that are already scuffed.

[narrow folio]

previously cox would just have alts to enter the raid and leave, and if it was worth it to do it for toa, we'd already see that happening

the difference is you cant just prep more supplies in toa

i dont think it would "scuff" purple rates

[nocturne solstice]

I think toa just doesnt work like that currently which is why they dont do that.
it was busted in CoX too which is why they nerfed it 🤔

The whole iron boosting thing

[narrow folio]

it would do the opposite because p2 phases are capped so if ur soloing, ur doing more phases for no gain

the iron boosting thing wasnt because the purple chance is too high, it was because points were effectively getting traded

and it's already possible to do this in toa with alts or friends but we see practically no one doing it outside of challenge runs or carries for good reason

and doing easier invos but more hp isn't actually better because purple chance scales off of invocation, in the way that it makes each dmg worth more in higher invos, so why would u scale it to be longer when u can just run the raid back

i think you'd just run out of supplies unless u had alts in there trading u

[nocturne solstice]

Feels like the same thing to me. Trading points to get higher purple drop rates and just getting higher purple drop rates.
I don't think it works for ToA does it? everyone has their own roll and someone leaving doesn't increase your chance of a purple. That's why the purple rates go up so much with more players since each player is another roll for purp.

Maybe you'll run out of supplies, maybe you'll be fine. Aside from p2 warden you could probably take 0 damage the whole raid.

[narrow folio]

cox scaling purple rates were not nerfed, only the function of being able to funnel points to other players was

toa does have points, effectively the same mechanic as cox

purple rates go up with players because it's more hp and hp = points (and there's mvp specific stuff but i dont know too much about that)

you could take 0 dmg but that would require intense flicking, certain mechanics really drain you when scaled such as needing to last row way longer, longer p2 (again, pts capped here up to 3 phases), kephri dungs, baba boulders (though they could just keep it to solo scale), p1 big balls

wouldn't really be op or even optimal

sure you'd get higher purple rates per raid but you forget the cost of the effort and time required, so you have to ask is it even better than doing it normally

if anyone actually has experience doing this sort of thing feel free to chime in

[grand condor]

wait this is a thing, boosting for irons?

I am not an ironman

[narrow folio]

it's still a thing but works less well i think

[nocturne solstice]

To be clear, I'm not saying boosting increased the base level of purple drop rates. I'm saying an individual's chance was increased by boosting which is what will happen to TOA if Tassili's suggestion is implemented.

Boosting points is seen as a bad thing (to Jagex) which is why it was nerfed in CoX. Boosting increased the chance of an individual getting a purple by transferring points over.

[narrow folio]

ok so how would someone get boosted in toa? most points are equivalent to dmg dealt so

[nocturne solstice]

It was a thing but it doesnt matter much now because of the aforementioned nerf. It was something like get a bunch of people to join then leave before opening the reward chest or something, their points transferred to you so you got a tonne more points = higher chance of purp

[narrow folio]

cox was fixed and it only worked because it was jank and people logged out

[grand condor]

Boosting is bad, mmmkay (no joke, jsut don't cheat or break the game rules, it's okay not be a god gamer at every game)

[narrow folio]

like if someones getting carried by afking, they arent getting purples in the first place

people only do it for kits

[nocturne solstice]

I don't understand this question, is it not obvious? same as CoX. Do the raid then leave before going to the final room so points transfer to the person that stayed.

[narrow folio]

That's not how toa points work though?

[warm storm]

that's not really how it works

you need a doctorate to understand how cox points work lol but toa is a lot simpler

[nocturne solstice]

Thats how it worked in CoX and thats what they want to implement

[warm storm]

you could "boost" a little at TOA by letting someone do puzzle rooms while the carry afks

but it wouldn't be very significant

[narrow folio]

they wanted to implement higher scale hp scaling

nothing was said about transfer of points

[warm storm]

i think the number of people who want to do 1+x TOA is very very low

it's almost always better to do a higher invo instead

[narrow folio]

it's simply scale the hp without needing an alt to be there when u start

yeah thats what i said

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like it's pretty implied more points is what they want to increase drop rates but if you don't think so thats fine I guess

[narrow folio]

the increase of drop rates comes with it because you're dealing more hp so duh

but it also costs more time and effort than its worth so...

[meager flame]

tbh

scaling raids shouldn't even be a thing

[warm storm]

scaled cox is a cool thing

[narrow folio]

more variety and depth to how people engage with it

[nocturne solstice]

we wont know its more time and effort unless its done

[meager flame]

its not really its the same raid just longer

[narrow folio]

it's already been done though

[nocturne solstice]

It doesnt have to be all 1+7 either

[warm storm]

i like all the neat tech and how many ways there are to interact with chambers

[nocturne solstice]

maybe its more efficient and quicker doing a 1+3 or something idk

[narrow folio]

toa 1+x is already possible and barely anyone does it

[meager flame]

people just like it because they feel like they're beating the system for more points etc

but they should really just be offering a satisfying experience to begin with

[narrow folio]

well you can get more pph depending on the strat

[warm storm]

cox is in an amazing spot rn where 2+16, 3+x, and very efficient solos are all competitive pph

[narrow folio]

dont care if they implement the toa scale or not bc im never going to use it but it seems you had the wrong idea of what was suggested

[meager flame]

thats kinda the thing though usually its not really a new strat its just doing the correct strat when you probably weren't before if it actually feels different

like

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think so, I think it would make it unfun and increase droprates while skipping difficult invos and that's what it's doing so.

[meager flame]

a scaled vasa is really just you hopefully knowing how to skip teleports and maybe you got away with it previously

not knowing

[warm storm]

nobody is chinning mystics in a nonscale cox...

[narrow folio]

does salve even work on the aoe

[meager flame]

thats true but i dont honestly think chinning mystics is a good example to hold up to say its better

[narrow folio]

unfun sure, but not really a droprate increase overall

[meager flame]

like lol

personally i'd say something like that makes a raid worse

[narrow folio]

like whats stopping u from just running two raids instead of one raid in the same amount of time

[meager flame]

since chinning is not really the kind of content im looking for in a raid

[warm storm]

where did my goalposts go

[meager flame]

i wouldn't really say its moving goalposts its just an example of how a scaled raid is different that i think makes a pretty good case for why its not better

maybe someone really likes that kind of thing so they think it is better because of that

i just wouldn't really agree with them

[nocturne solstice]

I mean if you use the reward chest calc on the wiki you can see it clearly
solo 300 = 4.25% purple
duo 300 = 8.08%
trio 300 = 11.92%
8 man 300 = 26.26%

I dont know what you mean by "not really a droprate increase overall"

Unless there's a personal point cap there or something i dunno about

[narrow folio]

yes it's roughly double the chance

but did u miss the part where it takes nearly or over twice as long

and ignoring everything else, on p2, the pts are capped to 3 phases worth, so if u do 6 phases in a 1+1

[nocturne solstice]

I mean that just feels made up, has this been documented?

[narrow folio]

maybe not 6, 5 phases

[nocturne solstice]

p2 is the killer no doubt

[meager flame]

yeah think about it

they wouldn't keep giving you points for repeating a certain phase that you could in theory run forever

[warm storm]

it's one example of many strats unique to scaled raids. it's cool if you don't like them ofc, everyone has personal preferences. personally i have only done a few scales but i think they are neat and removing them would remove interesting emergent gameplay

[narrow folio]

adding one more person increases hp by roughly 90% but its more annoying and u have to do it with the same supplies so??

compared to just upping the invo and running a couple solos

[nocturne solstice]

I really don't think it's going to be as difficult or a slog as you're making it out to be, aside from p2 of course.

[meager flame]

i think the only example of jagex making an infinite points mistake is probably guardians

[warm storm]

people do run 1+1 TOA currently sometimes, but it's mostly because you can use the alt as a potion fridge

[meager flame]

but thats so terrible most people don't even know about it

and luckily cox is capped overall

[narrow folio]

now think about that scenario without the alt giving u supplies

its just not feasible right

and thats only for a 1+1

[meager flame]

but if people dont know on guardians each time they shove you back if you try to walk past them

you get points

[nocturne solstice]

I dunno how you're using so many supplies

[narrow folio]

is the shove points capped

[meager flame]

so you could just sit there for a full 6 hour log making brews and then trying to walk out

[warm storm]

it's slowwwwwww

[meager flame]

yeah its just awful so people generally dont do it

but you could just go crazy for like 5 hours lol

[narrow folio]

compared to just upping the invo where every point of dmg matters more for points

[nocturne solstice]

Like for more reference
solo 500 = 7.44%

That's less than a 1+1 300 invo and a lot more effort and risk.

[narrow folio]

at best it would be the same pph

so why don't people just get an alt to do this all the time

[meager flame]

scaled toa is also just a lot harder than people realize

[narrow folio]

it was fairly common with cox

[meager flame]

idk if you've ever been in like a 300 toa teaching people and they all die on the last boss

but that gets SUPER hard because it just goes on forever

[nocturne solstice]

I've had to carry a few times as last one alive at warden for 300s, it does take longer but I didn't think it was that bad

Maybe its just a perspective thing tho idk

[narrow folio]

Even I dont really do 1+1 solo cox and it has more forgiving scaling than toa

now imagine doing that for every room

[nocturne solstice]

usually i do duos though so maybe its much harder trios+

[meager flame]

idk when you start getting quad length last two phases that you'd normally see in a solo

you're just on last row forever

[narrow folio]

including p1 where u take double the amount of balls

[meager flame]

like way longer than in a 500 or whatever

[narrow folio]

another thing is u straightup cant use time invos, while small, it exists

[warm storm]

1+1 is one of the worst scales at cox imo. harder to noprep for not very much more points (unless alt supplies i guess, haven't tried)

[narrow folio]

yeah

maybe toa would be worth a 2+1 but i wouldnt call that op or anything

[frosty raven]

My head hurts. Whyd u gamers say

[frosty raven]

This. Whyd u say that. Carrying sand bags in toa is just added purple chance

Can just follow ur main during boulder phase in baba and then shadow from afar

Lotsa mechanics in toa are slow enough that u can play it on 2 accs. Not that I reccomend it 😞

And sometimes ur alt dies . Tru. Tru

Maybe I jumped into the thread at a weird time.. im going bedge. Ni ni

[winged mantle]

we love things sinking into the ground

[brisk hill]

Trouver parch

[obsidian venture]

This week surely

[weary stag]

The flyer.. sinks xD

What does a sinker do?

[vivid ruin]

Flushes itself

[true talon]

Wait 500 is only 7.4%

415 is like 6.9% and way easier lol they absolutely crushed the unique scaling.

A CM is only 7.4% also

[tender harness]

wonder what sailing update blog we get this week

[weary stag]

It's been a while since leechfin has been redone xD

[tender harness]

in before its the "sailing cape buff" that isnt a buff fix

[weary stag]

I hate that we got a new poll system yet still get the same yes/no format which didn't work

That question is a great example of it, cuz yes change the cape but no not with that pitiful "perk"

[tender harness]

that question should had been restricted to 99 sailors only

was a terrible suggestion for a "buff"

[humble hound]

Has there been any word on when we are getting the hunter changes from poll 264? I want my stackable traps.

[tender harness]

its the same situation with that as it is with trouvers

who the fuck knows

[weary stag]

It's just the salamander net/rope combo left for hunter traps right?

chin boxes stack, and bird snares do too

[tender harness]

the combo net rope yeah

[humble hound]

I want to go back to hunter rumors on my uim to get the perfected whistle (why the fuck you can't rebuy if you have it in log I will never understand), but I really want the stackable traps since I dropped my huntsman's kit after 99

[weary stag]

Oh and you don't want to block tecu?

[minor whale]

Nope, there's not even a vague hint as to when it's coming.

[winged raptor]

so we are not getting updated blog for rubium and cannon balls and they just nuke it tomorrow?

[south void]

I predict we get another sailing update that breaks Tob this time

Cox and TOA had their turn already

[nocturne hull]

There’s your post

See you friday

[winged raptor]

my hopium and copium are at all time low, please give some dates on this summer campfire thingy, no more ITS COMING SUMMER

[tender harness]

so the news post this week is a vidjeo?

[winged raptor]

news post is tomorrow with rubium/balls nuke

[loud ivy]

Finally something main game related

[weary stag]

A campfire is just what we need on this the hottest day of the year xD

[minor whale]

Campfire predictions: New temporary gamemode, sailing blog where they announce a new cannonball type that poisons your enemy for 2 damage, and The Return of The Leechfin

[weary stag]

2grid2furious

Maybe they finally decided on a mega rare for Fred

[brisk hill]

Game was cooler when pvp was endgame

[tender harness]

pvp was never endgame 😭

[analog crow]

Maybe in 2004

[sacred oracle]

one second of harm orb shown

harm to the moon!

[minor whale]

If there's not some soon to release "new" content in the campfire then it's doomed

[weary stag]

I've bought 15 just in case!

[minor whale]

They said there's "new" stuff to reveal

[weary stag]

The video shows some of the new boss

[minor whale]

We desperately need something like Araxxor and Yama where it just dropped rapidly after being announced to gap fill

[weary stag]

But it's just a preview, I guess we'll see more on the 29th

Rax seemed to be the last good boss they released that wasn't bugged on release, I'd rather they cook and not give us slop like impossible contracts xD

[ember token]

hopefully BMR is sooner than some thing - maggot king looking pretty complete is a good sign

according to Mod Ash, Wyrmscraig is still months away

[weary stag]

That's the player designed island right?

[ember token]

yes

it was also shown in the campfire video

[lament ridge]

I just fear that if they had anything else, they wouldn't have gone like 5 weeks of updates just being "leagues fixes, sailing proposal adjusted". They desperately needed the goodwill of something coming soon and they didn't show anything

[weary stag]

Ohhh nice good eye

Idk where this group think of high end pvm content weekly comes from

[lament ridge]

Gotta hope BMR is relatively early summer I guess

[weary stag]

"desperately"

[tacit wharf]

dont see any reason why'd they release bmr with allstars being right around the corner, soonest would be start of july or right after allstars final

[lament ridge]

idk where this strawman of high end pvm content comes from

[ember token]

i dont see why they would delay a major release because of all stars

[tacit wharf]

why would they want 2 high impact events happening at the same time

[weary stag]

It's not you specifically, most of the "desperately" crowd are asking for late game pvm lol

I didn't realise it had extended to any content

[ember token]

all stars is not really a high impact event besides the live finale

nor does it conflict with game updates

[lament ridge]

Yeah but they surely dont want all their top creators unable to stream for 24 hours straight on the release

[tacit wharf]

we'll get blogs and qol updates till then

probably some of the sweep up things they already finished

[minor whale]

It's crazy actually how quickly good will dissipates when people become bored

We've got a huge bot bust that made gold prices go through the roof and if you check Wildy areas there's like almost 0 bots, which is something people had been clamoring for for ages.

But it doesn't matter when people aren't excited for the game lol

[lament ridge]

Yeah, I genuinely think if it was BMR in April and Leagues in the summer this would have been considered an A+ year

And it might still be by the end if Raids 4 delivers

But instead people are getting bored because it's been so long since a considerable maingame update, and the sailing combat dragging on doesn't help

[minor whale]

Also the timing of the price increase was probably the single worst thing for group morale that could have possibly happened

[hard axle]

Been at Zulrah and its like night and day - No mage-only bots anymore.

[minor whale]

Hey here's an incredibly buggy release nobody is happy with that took multiple years to deliver

Pay us more

Here's no content for 6 months

[lament ridge]

Yeah, and I'm saying that as someone who actually realls enjoys most of sailing
Just feels like they've been trying to do a "quick fix to appease the masses" in several different ways now, and it keeps missing the mark and not fixing any core concerns

[dawn jackal]

players are very fickle. not saying that there's no reason to be discouraged about some things but largely the discourse is kinda embarrassing

[lament ridge]

The only real change from november is that instead of everything just being tanking and healing, it's now tanking and auto-healing

[dawn jackal]

about 6 months ago jagex was in a "platinum era" and now the game is one update from the bin apparently

[lament ridge]

For things like this, it will always just feel like whatever is currently happening is the new par for the course

So when the "current" thing is price gouging and no content, that happens

[minor whale]

The platinum era stuff was just Reddit glazing as normal

But if you don't capitalize on good will by delivering good content to keep people happy that's gonna shift to disappointment super quick

[hard axle]

I hate it when people overly glaze for minor matters; Give them praise as appropriate, but I hate how excessive mfers get for relatively minor shit.

See this in every major community that goes mainstream, doesn't matter what the media is - anime, video games, politic, etc.

Worst part is, during those periods of excessive glazing, valid criticism gets buried by these clowns who only see the positive

[ashen yarrow]

People dont want bots in the game, they just want the benefits of bots without bots

Like lms bot removal suggestion got people asking jagex to add their own bots to lms

supplies going up in price and even gear goin up in price is bad for the people who buy them from ge and they complain

[minor whale]

Nah most people are completely fine with the prices going up for supplies because bossing drops so many it actually makes it more profitable

I have seen people complaining that LMS becomes too hard when bots get banned though lmao

[icy relic]

LMS has been a cycle like that for years, gotta wait a bit for the bots to come back in

[hard axle]

Gone are the days of a boss dropping 3 noted ranarrs 🥀

now everything drops 20 noted ones

[analog crow]

The humble 300 mind runes drop:

[loud ivy]

Sorry but youre just lying to yourself. Theres is zero chance bmr will be within 2 weeks of dmm all stars. Itll be mid july at the earliest

Also looks like you cant meelee maggot king…so were adding a crush bis spec wep thats only useable…at…phosani?

Dead item until raids 4

[austere mulch]

Maybe it has some low hp spawns or something that are crush weak and the guaranteed hit works for

Sad to say that seems to be best case scenario atp lol

[ember token]

maybe i'm biased because idgaf about all stars but it would be baffling to me if it's further delayed because of it

[restive siren]

i think the wall just goes a way

that video gave very much p1 vibes

[analog crow]

I completely forgot all stars exists

[idle rapids]

The latest changes to rubium suck 👎 the smithing changes specifically

Idk who they think is gonna be captivated by a max of 90k xp/hr….

[neon gate]

Rubium mining batch 3 lmao

Rubium leechfin sandwiches next week

[torpid delta]

crunchy

[idle rapids]

I just did the math, and with their changes, addy dart tips are more AFK, more exp/hr than rubium smithing, and you actually profit instead of spending millions to do it. No world in which this is a “viable low intensity method” as jagex says

I guess it can fill the niche of “dead smithing method”

[dawn jackal]

my hunch is that IF they put in a real use case for the new cballs they don't want the cballs to be an afk money maker?

that's about all i can think of

[idle rapids]

You already make money smithing dart tips so they’ve lost that battle 20 years ago

[dawn jackal]

yea but they just didn't want the cballs to be viable smithing afk + money? idk

the other maybe more reasonable response is they never actually did the math on the xp/hr

and then panicked and deleted the method from existence

[idle rapids]

Yeah that seems to be a theme with jagex lately

I knew they can’t do QA but they can’t even do basic maths 🤦‍♂️

[analog crow]

God forbid a new method compete with something from 2003

[ashen yarrow]

the xp change for smithing is fine. total xp from making bar to cannonball and adding rubium on it is now higher than smithing item from bar

[dawn jackal]

yea it's just a total whiff on calcing the xp/hr from jagex it seems

[idle rapids]

You’re ignoring the fact you lose 10k PER bar doing that. And the exp isn’t high enough to compete with anything

[ashen yarrow]

people just think rubium will keep day 1 price after it stabilizes for some weird reason

[analog crow]

If you smith cannonballs you're trolling yourself

[tender harness]

ngl would laugh if BMR gets delayed again

[ashen yarrow]

rubium addy cannonballs is about same xp/h as addy dart tips. less afk time between clicks than before but less clicks/h anyway

[tender harness]

rubium? it was never, ever intended to compete with granite. I dont know why people thought it was

[minor whale]

Boss reveals always are showing intentionally bad gear or misleading

[minor whale]

A method from 2003 (that people complaining about never did) being replaced by a method (they'd still never do) that's easier and profitable

Wow I wonder why it got changed or was seen as unbalanced by Jagex

(who said they didn't intend for it to be balanced around tick manip)

[tender harness]

😭 ven bow

[minor whale]

Because being loudly wrong is easy and reading is hard

[idle rapids]

The mining changes are fine

[tender harness]

mining changes are fine. it was a wild and massive oversight that Jagex ignored and missed that from the beta

[frail nebula]

where was that posted?

[minor whale]

Yup
Smithing doesn't need to be giga nerfed but just brought more in line with XP/bar not being ludicrous is fine

Gaining 5x smithing XP per bar from some combos is craaaazy

It's like a more efficient XP per bar than giants foundry and gives a useful resource at the end

[frail nebula]

Some xp to account for the fact that cballs give less xp/bar normally seems fine to me

[minor whale]

For irons that shit is crazy overpowered when they'd just be power mining Rubium for decent xp too

[torpid delta]

they posted a short video on the twitter account

[tender harness]

think people just yearn for something that isnt just boring as sin as giants foundry or blast furnace thats still good or decent
smithing plate bodies or dart tips is also obscenely boring

[frail nebula]

oooh, do you have a link?

[tender harness]

#game-news

[ashen yarrow]

yes and considering rubium cannonballs are also strongest cannonballs in boat combat currently too

[frail nebula]

thanks!

[idle rapids]

Yeah smithing isn’t fun

[minor whale]

Shout-out the art team that designed dragon incendiary cannonballs but then didn't actually add them to the game but they did add them to the splash screen for the update

Very funny

[tender harness]

rubium is another reason not to be bothered to use dragon ammo or cannons

[patent magnet]

dragon incen balls will be a purple chest from raids 4

[tender harness]

ironically wouldn't shock me ifg dragon incendiary comes from a quest or random drop later
because its so weird to have dragon ammo and cannons but have no need for them cannon more so than the ammo but still

[ashen yarrow]

unless you want to sweat and swap your cannonball manually to dragon after big hit from incendiary rune cannonball

[tender harness]

knowing how jagex is making sailing as brainless as possible

theyll add something that just lets you toggle

new facility that auto swaps your ammo

[hasty shard]

and people called my suggestion post too gory for osrs

shaking my head

i need to lock in

[true talon]

Oh the update was an announcement of the announcement XD.

[tender harness]

basically summer summit looks like a campfire thing and bigger drops at runefest

but god they need something 😭

[hard axle]

one of the downsides of summer summit and summer sweep up is that they can push off bigger updates and use these annoucement events as one of the update

[tender harness]

summer sweep up where they dont fix slayer that was

[true talon]

Hopefully reduced scroll chance in CM to match up other raids

They did this in league’s, it makes sense.

[thick beacon]

imo dont think pushing ppl towards cm is really healthy

[true talon]

I wanna do cm but scaled full is much better unique chance.

[thick beacon]

u have max gear avg person doesint even have a mega rare

[ashen yarrow]

update is tomorrow, these are just blogs/announcements about other stuff

[thick beacon]

even with shadow imo cms feel pretty awful

[true talon]

I mean cm would just be the harder mode of the raid, so why shouldn’t it get reduced scroll chance like expert toa and hm tob

[thick beacon]

well hmt isint worth doing either not saying its good but just how it is

[true talon]

Hm tob is t worth doing g because of the team gate keep and the 2nd profitable reward being avernic is less common XD.

[thick beacon]

in practice a lot of ppl just say get a scy pre hmt

just my 2cents ive seen ppl express both sides of why it should be only cms and not

[ashen yarrow]

make entry tob also drop scythe so it is similar to toa

[true talon]

Entry tob almost had the avernic lol

Instead they kept it to a learning raid

[thick beacon]

whats being announced tomorrow? i thought may 29th was when they were dropping everything

[ashen yarrow]

Toa and doom have the same issue, both have chance to get all drops from floor/invo made for learning mechanics with very little punishment

[ashen yarrow]

tomorrow is game update, different from announcements

[hard axle]

It never even came close? 😕

[hard axle]

No, it also isn't worth it because the purple chance in deathless runs just isn't enough to offset the naturally longer raids. It is dead even.

And then when you add in new mechanics that make it easier to do, it ends being worse.

Avernic might be rarer, but scythe being more common offsets it. Bigger issue is Sang, Rapier, Justi are all worth far less in the big 2026.

[hard axle]

It's also just folks being lazy and wanting to do less for more because I've seen the arguments for less scrolls, but ToA was also 58% chance of Fang/LB on release, so scrolls being 60% isn't abnormal.

We've also seen what happens when scrolls are not common enough, which is why they changed it.

[hard axle]

Reason is because HMT is worse without scythe, deaths happen very frequently compared to normal ToB, so your expected time for scythe at hmt only ends up being similar

[hasty shard]

i know how to solve tob uniques

make justi just 15% dr flat instead of whatever tf it is currently

[minor whale]

So Rubium remains unnerfed but tick manip removed, and they scaled back the extra Rubium gathering

Cannonball smithing nerfed to 1/5th the xp

Solid changes

[maiden marsh]

y change smithing xp when we got way cheaper and better training methods? i mean y change it so heavy ?

[ashen yarrow]

smithing also double speed, 2tick per action

[restive siren]

where did they say this stuff

[gaunt minnow]

why is there so much drama abouyt a random mining and smithing training method whoooo caaaares

you've had like 20 years to max

[warm quiver]

updated blog post

[ashen yarrow]

thye updated the rubium blog with new info

[restive siren]

i zee

[minor whale]

Smithing time for cannonballs is twice as fast instead of 4x as fast

[warm quiver]

how tf can you fit the entire blog post on your phone lmao

[ashen yarrow]

thye had to bring the speed down since they gave it some xp

[minor whale]

So faster overall to make them and the XP/hr ends up being like 1/2 of current rates

Seems like good changes all around

[gaunt minnow]

redditors are so bored theyre arguing about mining and smithing LOL

[ashen yarrow]

yeah the xp/h on it pretty much matches smithing dart tips if you include banking time

[tender harness]

Did they just double nerf rubium

Nerfed afk time
Reverted afk time change
No tick manip
Splinters reduced

Fucking stop listening to reddit 😭

[ashen yarrow]

more splinters than currently but they did remove the 3x from lv96 which was originally planned

currently 1 splinter always, tomorrow 2 splinters at lvl72+

[minor whale]

Yeah it's good now

3x was far too much

Especially when they said they wanted Rubium to remain valuable

[ashen yarrow]

locking it behind lv96 would have made it okay but would lower the price per splinter still if people use it semi afk training method

It is still very good place to train for ironman anyway

[tender harness]

could have just raised the level requirements on rubium

[ashen yarrow]

i guess there might be even more competition for mith cannonball shop again

[tender harness]

I mean this considers:

• All cannonballs have reduced smithing xp per bar already
• Rubium splinters are a resource that takes time to gather
  15k smithing xp an hour

is fucking bonkers

its like they forget buy limits are a thing
and irons have time investment to get splinters

[bronze kernel]

Rubium is already a very scarce resource even with the changes

You'll blow through an entire hour's worth in a few minutes

[ashen yarrow]

the proposed changes to the xp when using rubium makes sense when combining the xp per bar in making cannonballs. total is like 40% higher than smithing item from bar even with the nerf

[tender harness]

Many of you told us that the proposed reduction to Rubium Mining XP felt too harsh, and that some of the changes risked making the activity feel overly AFK. We understand that many of you want us to create higher-intensity activities that feel worth the time and effort involved, and that's something we'll continue to keep in mind for future updates.

nobody said this

[bronze kernel]

Not sure why they have become obsessed with maintaining the whole bar to XP ratio

[ashen yarrow]

other option was their initial 1-5 xp per action

[bronze kernel]

How much Rubium can be mined per hour now?

[ashen yarrow]

like 5k at 72+ mining (after change)

[tender harness]

Next year we've tentatively planned a deeper look into Mining and Smithing

with how content has been this year thats a big

[bronze kernel]

Smithing rework confirmed

[patent magnet]

15k smithing xp per hour if you already have the balls made

i think powermining iron with infernal axe might be more

[tender harness]

so we should nerf gnome benches

its clearly broken like rubium

just ignore buy rate and time to make planks

[patent magnet]

anything thats over 100k xp/hr should be nerfed in any skill i think

bring osrs back to the stone ages

idk this and a bunch of other sailing updates really not giving me any hope for the future

[ashen yarrow]

the smithing xp/h was balanced around mains who compared it to smithing dart tips

[lost tulip]

[tender harness]

the people who complained about the exp for smithing

wilfully ignored buy limits and time investment

nevermind the GP cost

the smithing was basically gnome benches

[ashen yarrow]

but at least people complained that sailing update broke afk training meta this time

[tender harness]

literally their checklist for release
Untested ✅
Ban players for bug abuse (sometimes) ✅
Nuke the content ✅
Poor apology - ‘we missed the mark on this one’ ✅
Shrug shoulders ✅

[bronze kernel]

TFW they nerfed they only nerfed Kebbit skip trick after a month of it being in the game when rumors were first released when the XP rates by skipping Eagle Peak was revealed

[true talon]

Right now I got dust and 3 kits so doing CM is kinda pointless as a scaled full run is more pp/h so better u unique chance.

All you get from cm is the capes even the 5k points in time is a joke since the timer is 1 hour and 10 minutes solo lol.

[thick beacon]

ik im just biased cuz im not a big fan of cms. but i do geninuely think experince would be rough for someone with no megas and that being meta

like itd be 5x worse then doing toa without fang imo

[orchid marten]

pretty wild to say 220k smithing xp/hr is problematic when multiple methods exist that are better than that and are cheaper and more accessable

[ashen yarrow]

basically it was more afk than smithing dart tips and gave more xp/h. less people complaining but almost same reasons as the tick manipulating issue on rubium, smithing actually was significant xp/h increase though

[true talon]

I mean cm wouldn’t be meta, because it’s still low unique chance compared to a scaled raid. You’d just have better chance at useful uniques over always getting scrolls.

If your good at CM

You would have to do 2 CM an hour to land the same pph of a scaled full run. Which can be even shorter if you good.

[hard axle]

kind of ironic you say this, but you never say it when you don't like the content

(support orbs being a good drop rate multiplier and awakened bosses actually worth doing)

(blorva no orbs)

[thick beacon]

idk what the solution is alot of ppl act like scaled raids dont exist. i think if cms were better ppl would pipeline to that. i think regardless of what method u do 60% purples being prayer scrolls is to much.

[austere mulch]

It’s almost in line with them saying that crystal extractor was effectively 1.2m xp/hr because of the time spent interacting with it

They just take some big swings and miss spectacularly

Xp/bar was never a concern before, looking at giants foundry

[frail nebula]

Xp/bar wasn't the concern with cannonballs to begin with

They've never followed the usual pattern

[ashen yarrow]

xp/bar is reasoning why they could keep some xp in the method instead of lowering it to 1-5 xp

[tender harness]

xp/bar is a meme when that has never been a thing that has been respected to begin with

[tender harness]

mfw giants foundry exists

people seriously arent buying the xp/bar meme are they?

[minor whale]

I mean
Why wouldn't they
The cannonballs were exceptionally outside the norm lol
Giant's Foundry is also outside the norm but notably different from any other smithing method, not afk at all, and similar XP rates.

[drifting valley]

Bro why are they making maggot king mage and range based

I thought it was supposed to be weak to crush

Just looks like another doom boss with the same goo splatters everywhere

Bank ur inq sets i guess

Keep em hidden

[ashen yarrow]

probably player feedback with people saying cannot bring new crush content without crush weapons

but same people saying cannot bring new crush weapons without crush content

[drifting valley]

This would have been such a great stepping stone to bring in more crush based bosses since the new raid is most likely gona have a crush mega rare

[thick beacon]

we dont know for sure how the fight is gona be yet

maybe it just has a phase where u have to range/mage it

[drifting valley]

That would be true if i didnt see the boss on an elevated blocked off area

No way you can melee that shit

[thick beacon]

ye if it was betting person i would bet that it probaly is gona be no melee

[ashen yarrow]

maybe it digs/jumps there at some point

[drifting valley]

Its not digging lol

It ant doom

[thick beacon]

maybe they are saving giga melee content for raids 4

[drifting valley]

Im doubting that now too

[true talon]

not true, there is no content i dislike in this game besides maybe certain skilling, because its extremely boring and not rewarding to get done.

[drifting valley]

Probably gona be a range mega rare

[thick beacon]

seems like another tbow boss tbh

[drifting valley]

I cant believe they made another range boss

[ashen yarrow]

2 handed crossbow

[drifting valley]

Its insane

[thick beacon]

maybe shadow boss after 3 years

[true talon]

Kings barrage coming to OSRS 😛

[tender harness]

get rid of crush on scythe

[drifting valley]

This was the best time to make a crush boss if we are getting a crusg mega rare

[true talon]

THIS

[drifting valley]

I guess the crush mega will be 700m

Literally no place to use it

Aside from the raid itself

[thick beacon]

thats what i thought to but the commuity kinda convinced me that even if crush sucks

its passive can redeem it

[drifting valley]

Also scythe does deal crazy good crush dps

[ashen yarrow]

depends on what it does. Like scythe is good in places that are not good for slash too

[drifting valley]

So new mega already has insane competition

[tender harness]

scythe ironically hurts crush

[drifting valley]

700m for new crush mega

[tender harness]

until they nerf crush on scythe

[thick beacon]

theres been suggestions on how crush mrare could look and ppl were talking bout how it could be bis for nex/vard

[ashen yarrow]

yeah they need to balance everything around scythe currently. they have balanced around it with requiring crush to be highest att stat, other option is just making thing 500 slash/stab defence and 100-200 crush defence

[drifting valley]

This boss was the deciding factor if jagex understands the hole their in and if they can get out of it...but man they hate crush content and making a crush mega is gona be yikes

[tender harness]

just give scythe the fang treatment

and just murder it on crush

its a slash weapon the fuck are you crushing with it

[thick beacon]

its a megarare it can do what it wants balance aside

thats just how they are seen imo

ironically thats how i think crush mrare could actually be useful

[drifting valley]

U crush with scythe using the handle...u crush a roach easily with its weight alone (jagex logic)

[ashen yarrow]

tbow shooting 20 max hit on things with no mage lvl

[tender harness]

doesnt matter. they are already working on a shadow adjustment at somepoint
scythe has no business being good at crush

[thick beacon]

basically only goblins and stuff anything good tbow gets

its only weapon ive seen nerfed multiple times for content

did with toa/nex b2b nearly

and its back to beating zcb at nex again

soon

[drifting valley]

I invested in crush and this is why im more mad than if i didnt...i hate this boss being range

It screamed crush weakness

This is nuts lol that crush mega rare will be 700m

[tender harness]

we havent had tbow content in a fair while

tbf

[thick beacon]

doom

[drifting valley]

Doom

[thick beacon]

its good for colo its good for awaken levi

nearly every recent release

[tender harness]

do you really count tbow tech for 3t though

[thick beacon]

its better dps then scobo regardless

it even beats bp on carphase

[drifting valley]

T bow is bis

All we needa know

Its over used

[tender harness]

so is shadow

[thick beacon]

i heard it might be bis on waves at colo now

tbow

[ashen yarrow]

yeah the main issue is that they need high mage level to counter shadow, but they also need low mage level to counter tbow

[thick beacon]

idk how true that is but it was always close

[drifting valley]

If that maggot dosent hop over the blocked fence and melees my ass im gona be pissed

Or if i dont see a ladder spawn on phase 2

This is BS

[true talon]

Tbow is never not good, unless the boss has 900 range defense

[ashen yarrow]

it does have wings so there is hope

[true talon]

You can even do sol heredit with tbow

[thick beacon]

ye id bet money on maggot being tbow boss at this point

idt shadow is getting content this year either

[ashen yarrow]

yes, because they needed to add high mage lvl to deny shadow

[thick beacon]

actaully tbh for sailing cmb shadow is good right

it got something ig

[true talon]

Shadow is pog, i like it in chambers (except on olm, because im shit)

[ashen yarrow]

well now with rubium player on cannon beats shadow

I guess if you do full gear swap after you hit high with cannon for burn you could use shadow for similar dps

[thick beacon]

is that with high tier cballs?

[ashen yarrow]

rune incendiary cannonballs

[drifting valley]

After they nerf shadow in a few days its gona be 700m

They nerfed rubium which imo was dumb too

[ashen yarrow]

the burn adds around 40% more dps to player shooting cannon with rune cannonballs

[drifting valley]

Cuz keeping sandstone relevant as a content older than most people playing is crazy

Its overall a shitfest lately

[meager flame]

I’m like pretty sure it’s not going to be a nerf like that

It wouldn’t really make any sense

[drifting valley]

Slight or not it will be nerfed

[meager flame]

I’d expect the shadow to either not really change or to be redesigned to have more of a niche but probably be a tiny bit stronger than it is right now within it

[thick beacon]

i think they can nerf shadow if they nerf eye to otherwise its just to close

[meager flame]

There’s no reason to nerf like that though is the problem

Just makes no sense

[thick beacon]

ye idt they will prob more a rebalance

[minor whale]

This is massive cope and so unbelievably bad it's hilarious

I disallowed 45 melee items and still haven't gotten to tbow being better than melee

Currently checking obsidian with mainhand ags and Tbow still isn't best

[drifting valley]

I think the change will have more to do with how shadow effect works rather than how much of a nerf it gets

But the rubium nerf im strongly against thats all ik

[meager flame]

That’s why I was saying probably designed for a purpose if they actually go with a big change

[ashen yarrow]

you can tbow sol if you land 10 ralos specs or dwh/elder maul it

[minor whale]

Saying tbow is useable at Sol is wild when am adamant scimitar is doing better dps by literally double

[drifting valley]

Panic buy ralos for maggot king?

[meager flame]

Because shadow isn’t actually as strong as full power tbow and scythe as is

[drifting valley]

Obv keep crush hidden

[thick beacon]

maybe its geninuely shadow>tbow

[meager flame]

People just crumbled when confronted with calculators lol

[thick beacon]

but like seeker arrow ammy tbow on maggot just seems impossible to lose

[meager flame]

But jagex has been buffing melee and soon range

[drifting valley]

I really think harm orb will go hard on it if fire weakness

[meager flame]

I think the only thing jagex has to worry about is that they can’t let us wield four occults at once if they had plans for that

Otherwise the current rate of change is gonna work out fine lol

[ashen yarrow]

when you look at defensive stats on sol, it is easy to realise you cannot mage/range it without removing basically all defence lvls to hit range or all mage lvls to hit mage

[meager flame]

I do think that they should’ve kept shadow at the current power level by reducing scaling and buffing % on everything the first time they rebalanced magic gear though

Idk why they didn’t do the smart thing

[thick beacon]

does tier of cannon ball really matter much at all? it most of dps increase from burn

[ashen yarrow]

those +750/825 defence stats multiply the mage/magic lvl like crazy for defence roll

[thick beacon]

u think addy could win?

[drifting valley]

This reminds me...why was the maggot king boss burning during the fight

[ashen yarrow]

burn is based on your hitsplat so yes it matters. burn deals +120% of your hit over 15seconds

[drifting valley]

What caused the burn effect

[minor whale]

They show random incorrect effects to not allow easy market manipulation

[meager flame]

I kinda expect it to be a crush boss

It’s like

[chrome lantern]

Oh boy I love introducing burn and making it work nothing like any other burn in the game

[meager flame]

Too easy unless they for some reason want to add a crush spec that does nothing even on the boss that drops it

[ashen yarrow]

maybe its demon and got shot with scorching bow spec or actually transition from melee to ranged fight

[chrome lantern]

Words that have been said every time content has released since Nightmare

[ashen yarrow]

had to be special burn since 95% of sailing mobs are immune to normal burns

[meager flame]

Yeah but they’re making a crush spec weapon drop from it

[minor whale]

Not anymore, they fixed it

[meager flame]

And also talked about crush raid

[minor whale]

Burn affects normally now

[chrome lantern]

I really really hate constantly releasing weapons that are designed for the thing they come from

[drifting valley]

I guess could be it..or maybe it jumped at us in melee distance we clawd it with burning claws even though its really weak to crush and my investment on crush has a chance.....or u are right

[obsidian venture]

Where was this said?

[chrome lantern]

Bad and lazy design

[meager flame]

It’s a lay up for the design team

[drifting valley]

Its implied via the vid

[meager flame]

Either make content to fill the void they’re trying to fill or do something random and fumble

[obsidian venture]

Ah that’s a bad way to figure stuff out

[minor whale]

I don't think it's bad or lazy to have content released where the bis comes from the boss

[ashen yarrow]

teaser showed it on blocked area and player maging/ranging it

[obsidian venture]

Jagex pre release vids are notoriously wrong gear wise

[chrome lantern]

The colo videos showed people using inquisitor

[obsidian venture]

Yeah like it doesn’t mean shit

[ashen yarrow]

https://x.com/i/status/2059264704489390468

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

Cosy up for a video catch up accompanied by a newspost this Friday at 13:00pm UTC! 🏕️

☕ A check-in between Summits on Blood Moon Rises, Summer Sweep Up, The Fractured Archive and more
🦋 Plus, a couple of surprises to share!

https://t.co/K7XxpMiLLl

X · May 26, 2026, 1:25 PM

[thick beacon]

gear is cap but they dont cap mecahnic showcase

[minor whale]

Zulrah showed melee and it wasn't even possible then

[thick beacon]

that blocked wall will be there for some portion of the fight atleast

[obsidian venture]

They are subject to change

[drifting valley]

Unless that trump approved wall goes down u ant meleing that thing

[meager flame]

Idk how to feel about the campfire thing or whatever they called it

[minor whale]

Sure, doesn't mean it'll even be attackable then

[drifting valley]

That great wall of china

[minor whale]

Could be attack something to lower the wall

[meager flame]

On one hand it’s cool that they’re gonna talk to begin with

[minor whale]

There's no telling and they intentionally make videos showing incorrect stuff

[meager flame]

On the other did we really need to wait for some kind of production

[obsidian venture]

@thick beacon as per the convo above, 2 cms is giga free to run so idk what he was tryna say

[meager flame]

Like what happened to just putting out a reasonable blog semi regularly

[obsidian venture]

Pushing to 3 is ideal

[thick beacon]

i assumed me and him both were talking about solos

[obsidian venture]

Bowfa irons can get close to like 20m

[chrome lantern]

Surely summer sweep blog with campfire

[obsidian venture]

In solos, 2 should be feasible

[thick beacon]

30min solos with bowfa is hard as hell (cms)

[meager flame]

Ya it’s basically a mini summit with a recorded video and blogs

[thick beacon]

imo

[ashen yarrow]

If i had to guess i would say you fight the bird/raptor first in normal platform and then the maggot king burst out after it moves away for phase 2

[meager flame]

I guess this is just new jagex though

[hard axle]

be cautious with anything from demo videos

[meager flame]

Longer waits and basically always a video where they’re probably doing too much but at least it eventually happens lol

[hard axle]

remember the harm incident from akkha room being shown

[thick beacon]

the doom video was pretty accurate imo

for mechanics

[drifting valley]

It better get over that wall like illegals

I want that shit to plop over dat wall

[chrome lantern]

The guy walking with a bludgeon in the orb was not

[minor whale]

🤨

[drifting valley]

Just by looking at the room in the vid u can tell the landscape wont change

[thick beacon]

i mean its a bit diffrent cuz they showed them play testing it

[drifting valley]

Jagex wont fake landscape

Just to throw us off

Only gear will be changed

[thick beacon]

but like it did show there would be a orb and slams and projectiles

[obsidian venture]

They would

[drifting valley]

And hit splats

[drifting valley]

Name 1 boss landscape they ever shown us which was changed post release

Then ill be on your side

[ashen yarrow]

I always use my venator bow on single target enemy while wearing ancestral bottoms

[drifting valley]

Yeah the gear was obv incorrect lol

[obsidian venture]

I’d have to look through

But I know for a fact the weapons are usually wrong

[minor whale]

I mean Sol was gonna have an arena where you're locked in a moving phalanx in the arena

[drifting valley]

It dosent exist ill save u the trouble

[minor whale]

And then on release that didn't exist

[drifting valley]

Every time they shown us a boss lair it was the same

[obsidian venture]

Well if you knew that you wouldn’t freak out about the trailer and weapon

[obsidian venture]

I believe this was fan made

There was like a spectral and shit

And that went to the moon very briefly

[torpid delta]

nah that was a different deal

[meager flame]

Tbh idk why they don’t use spectral mechanic more it’s also a spell

Idk why they build shit then never use it like that

[drifting valley]

The freakout was because the boss cant be meled unless it hops the wall

But the wall ant going nowhere

Its gona be there till the end

[torpid delta]

i do remember jagex saying they wanted to do something with the phalanx stuff but then they said "yeah so this actually sucked to play so it didn't happen"

the spectral stuff was a fake leak by spectral merchers

[ashen yarrow]

you clearly bring axe to chop down that tree so you can melee it

[drifting valley]

Its either mage or range or a mix of both

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[drifting valley]

The tree is on OUR side

Not the boss side

[ashen yarrow]

yes chop it down and climb up to escape the pools and melee boss

[drifting valley]

Ohhhh

To make a bridge???

[meager flame]

I’d just assume phase changes

[drifting valley]

To get to the other side??

[meager flame]

Either wall drops or boss comes to you

[drifting valley]

Ohhh shit...u actually may be smart as hell on that one lmao

Thats a sick mechanic

If true

[patent magnet]

how do we know the maggot queen isn’t on the other side and it’s just royal titans 2

[meager flame]

Also possible that it just spawns something next to you to melee once in awhile

And you range between

[drifting valley]

@ashen yarrow did u come up with that urself?

Cuz that was a clever call lol

But maybe too clever...

[ashen yarrow]

i think the tree is maybe just something they added to block some detail on the wall

[restive siren]

Literally everyone is calling a melee phase

[minor whale]

I don't know why anyone is acting confident about any part of the reveal
It'll be what it'll be lmao Jagex constantly trolls on video releases

The only one they didn't is Araxxor because it was explicitly pitched as a melee boss

[meager flame]

Like just kinda looking at the picture

[chrome lantern]

Omg they used a fire surge panic buy tome of fire

[drifting valley]

I invested 1.6b in crush

Im worried lol

[meager flame]

My guess is that you melee until transition then you dodge blood etc while ranging

Like look at the floor that probably can’t keep up the entire time

[patent magnet]

Royal titans 2

[drifting valley]

I wana chop the tree and cross over to bonk it with a crush wep every now n then

Or parkour across

[ashen yarrow]

maybe it is meant to be 1-3 min fight then the floor wouldnt fill unless you have trash gear

[meager flame]

I’m pretty sure you see a ton of projectiles at once because it’s absolutely painting everything

[drifting valley]

@ashen yarrow reddit this and become famous

Plot twist: that tree is really just a door frame....the door you use to enter the boss room...

Were doomed.

[true talon]

Can you toss me your ancestral roll curse?
Ill trade you the mega roll

[thick beacon]

id trade if i could

[true talon]

Maybe we should raid together, so i can give you mega rares lol

[thick beacon]

just waiting to see what summer sweep up has before i go hard on cox

[true talon]

Same, im actually taking big osrs break this friday. to play POE2.

Be back for BMR

[tender harness]

POO2

🤮

[loud ivy]

my thoughts too. pretty stupid considering crimson bludgeon or kisten w/e its called now is only actualy bis at phosani i hope'd maggot king would be crush based too

just seems like a laughably dead item until raids 4

[drifting valley]

I was so sure i invested 1.6b in crush

Im in shock lmao

I legit wanted to burst out laughing seeing that video

[loud ivy]

lol didnt invest anything but how its not crush weak is laughable

i mean we dont know for sure yet but based off that video defo looks like you cant melee it

[drifting valley]

All i can do now is hold my bludgeons for raids 4

And hope they rise

Sorta unreal how much they hate crush

We just had doom and we are getting it again

Even the goo looks like doom goo

Sad lol

[loud ivy]

surely this item gets some use in raids 4 so its pretty much a maiden only spec...right?

if its not crush based ralos better be useful here at least

[drifting valley]

Meh who knows...tbh idk much about ralos being good at raids 4 cuz that is mainly melee based

Maiden can be meled and ranged both so it makes sense for ralos to work on that

But idk for raids 4

They implied it will be melee heavy from reading the blog

But ya i wouldnt invest in ralos its such a weird item

Goes up and down like mad and niche as hell

Good boss to have a usecase for though

[ashen yarrow]

its weird item since it needs boss to have high mage lvl, have low ranged defence and want defence lvl reduction

Like it will almost never have use in melee bosses since it wont hit them and you can use melee based defence reduction weapons

[drifting valley]

Maggot boss seems to be that way

Looks to be weak to range

Atleast a 50% chance anyway

Either range or mage or both

[ashen yarrow]

but does it also have high defence lvl

[drifting valley]

It might do lol but i think its gona be fairly low def

[ashen yarrow]

well it would still be worth probably if you dont melee since ranged specs are just so bad

unless you tbow it with 90% accuracy already

[nocturne hull]

Panic buy Ralos and Accursed Sceptre right now

https://tenor.com/view/like-be-highway-on-driving-gif-21191169

[drifting valley]

Yes and re bank crush

Dust and all

Because the great wall of china as seen in the vid

Makes it clear

[torpid delta]

99 agility shortcut to climb over the wall

trust

[coarse prairie]

Surely anyone able and willing to tick manipulate should be allowed to do it that gaming is effort