game-update

[dire mango]

Getting a max cape is far from needed. Especially if what you actually like to do in the game is PvM.

[craggy wind]

I bet you’re a blast at parties.

[ionic tartan]

Most. I even included scepulchre in that list. And that's not even going into other skills besides agility, because if you go by each skill that list is even shorter. But back to the point you brought up (#game-update message) is time and attention enough to make a skill "hard" any less important if a player can spend more time for less attention?

[craggy wind]

The entire counter argument of you don’t have to so why make it enjoyable doesn’t make any sense to me. Trying to make it less intense to be like other skills can’t be a bad thing. 👀

[dire mango]

You say you're playing for fun, but you set goals you don't even like, and that you feel so miserable about achieving those goals that you want the devs to change the game for you.
Set goals that let you have fun while playing.

[ionic tartan]

Like would you say zeah and gotr made runecrafting less "hard" because people can afk more at lower rates?

[craggy wind]

With the new sailing skill (whether you like it or not) Jagex has done a tremendous job trying to understand the balance of engagement, high effort high xp, low effort low xp, and rewards in between. I don’t see why we can’t do the same thing with current skills, by adding in different options for different people

[craggy wind]

It’s not that maxing is my reason for playing or anything, but of course it’s a goal. I’ve been playing a long time and finally getting close to it, why is it unreasonable to suggest them adding a method that’s more enjoyable?

Are you in disagreement with them adding iron man catered content? No difference there.

Except iron man mode is actually intentionally making the game more difficult by adding restrictions on activities , so it’s even further against your argument

Again, my point is just I think agility could use some low effort, low xp method to be more on par with other skills’ balance. I think we may just have to agree to disagree here, because I don’t understand the arguments you have presented thus far. And that’s fine. Can’t always agree, unfortunately.

[dire mango]

There is no need for you to have a goal that bores you. Would you set a goal of green logging a boss you don't like? Or let's say you're a skiller for the sake of argument. Would you set yourself the goal of getting GM even though you hate pvm? And would you think it's reasonable for skillers who hate pvm to have pvm made easier for them just so they can get GM?

[long mortar]

It is a video game after all

[craggy wind]

You’re not talking the same thing though? I’m asking to make content that’s more enjoyable to do, so I will enjoy it. I’m not asking them to make me have the PVM trophy while I never do it lol.

That’s not a good counter argument to my point.

[dire mango]

I'd see your point if you were forced to skill a lot to access a boss or a mingame you really enjoy. But you're complaining about skilling to achieve a goal you don't need.

[craggy wind]

And the thing is, I’m still doing the activities… it’s not like I’ve shied away from it indefinitely. You’re assuming that I am not pursuing the goal actively, it’s just that it’s not enjoyable and I am suggesting a method that would be more so.

[long mortar]

They should make more multi player activities. It’s annoying that this game caters to iron men when it’s an mmo

[craggy wind]

Now this I don’t disagree with!

[long mortar]

Trigger warning

I respect everyone a lot but like

[craggy wind]

Remember leagues with the agility boots? Remember everyone circling that tree together chatting? community focused first, all I’m saying

[long mortar]

I’m entitled to my opinion. I think iron men ruined an mmo game that we all enjoyed as kids bc it was a MULTIPLAYER* experience

[craggy wind]

I don’t think they ruined it, per se. unfortunately what killed the game is the amount of information available

[long mortar]

I agree with that

[pastel skiff]

Plenty of mains that aren’t playing like it is multiplayer game as well, as well as plenty of ironmen doing plenty of multiplayer content

[craggy wind]

The sense of exploration is no longer there, it’s all heavily documented. It’s all about min-maxing now, so it doesn’t have that adventurous feel anymore. It definitely transformed the gameplay

[pastel skiff]

Exactly, its about min-maxing everything

[craggy wind]

BUT with saying that, it’s still a great game. I think clan additions helped me personally, and I’ve had way more fun since joining a community

Doing fun events and random pvm / skilling together makes all the difference

BUT I will still advocate for low effort agility when I can

[long mortar]

The culture around soloscape doesn’t make much sense to me

As for exploration… there’s no need to depend on your experienced friend because well… you can’t even trade them lol

[craggy wind]

That is fair, but I know plenty of irons that are having much more fun with the game treating it like a traditional RPG. and that’s great

But I understand the sentiment, it loses the MMO side quickly in doing so.

[dire mango]

You want the skilling trophy without doing the current skilling.
Would you say afk agility is actually more enjoyable because of the content, or because you would get to pay less attention to agility?

[long mortar]

Lot of skilling ends up being a level “so that you can finally play the game”

[dire mango]

You dont need a max cape to have fun pvming though

[long mortar]

Enjoyment for me at least is group pvm raids/bosses, pvp, free market of trade

Exactly but you do need skills to get BIS items sometimes. Is 60 rc enjoyable no. Useful no. Needed for dt2 yes

And I guess iron men have an argument here that they need skilling to make the game enjoyable

But if I have to block out features of a game to make the game make sense

Then is the game inherently flawed? Honest question

[dire mango]

True, but quest cape skilling is mostly trivial. Mmos should have some interplay between the different areas of the game

[long mortar]

Yeah I agree. Maxing doesn’t hit the same anymore because it’s a status thing. It’s not needed for 90% of the game

Back in the day if you wanted a whip you’d have to skill or know someone with slayer.

[dire mango]

I picked flax and spun bowstrings to earn my first whip

[true talon]

As an iron I feel skilling doesn’t go far enough in production or use of things you need.

But that’s just a flawed skill design from the past

More skills should be like farming and herblore

Woodcutting for example is bad and is mining. The best thing you can make with smithing is rune items.

Fletching allows you to create ranged weps and ammo, but no good sources of materials to make the tips

[craggy wind]

I think it’s silly to not listen to comments of making the GAME more enjoyable.

Why have updates ever then lol

[dire mango]

The game is enjoyable. You are choosing to do content that you personally find boring.

[true talon]

Jagex is so affraid of damaging ge scape that they can’t make skilling matter. Consumables should be cheap and produced easily, otherwise you have a system supported around doing mineal tasks to produce something required by everyone.

Which is currently handled by bots

[craggy wind]

As a whole, sure, but again, with this logic there shouldn’t have been any updates since conception. It’s a constant state of work in progress, why not improve it where you can?

Again though, prioritizing this over some new development is probably not the best idea. I still agree with that sentiment from before.

[true talon]

In doing so, you drive up the need for good gp/h on the bosses and inflate the resources generated by players from
Pvmimg.

[dire mango]

Do you feel the same about other skills that you perhaps like more? Should slayer have a star-level afk option?

[craggy wind]

This is a sad truth I wasn’t ready for

[craggy wind]

It does, combat is heavily low effort in slayer sense, outside bossing

It has the good balance

[true talon]

Most people can’t cope with the fact that ge scape is controlled by bots and all the items that are require by real players are often productions of those accounts.

Either by pvm drops or the ones who make unfinished pots at ge or fletch

[craggy wind]

Things like construction don’t have low effort options, but I can get over 1m xp/hr with my engagement. Why would I need afk when my 20 minutes might be 400-500k xp per hour?

[dire mango]

But it is not enjoyable. Should they add a more enjoyable afk option?

[craggy wind]

Now, I don’t think agility needs that high of xp rates, but it has BALANCE.

[craggy wind]

It’s already afk, that argument doesn’t make sense.

I can literally put my phone down for the entirety of either my prayer or hp 🤣

[dire mango]

Its not enjoyable though. I dont feel the low rates are worth it with even the low effort. Should they add a more enjoyable option for me?

[craggy wind]

So your argument is adding a more enjoyable option in regards to what? If you don’t like combat, you won’t like slayer. You can do bosses for more xp per activity, you can do afk methods for low effort, and sometimes higher xp per hour, or you can do whichever blend. There’s a lot of options here comparatively.

[dire mango]

Im acting like how you are doing with agility.... im using the same arguments you have been using, but on a skill you like

[craggy wind]

You’re not though… agility doesn’t have any afk option, outside poh course.

Slayer has afk options

If agility had a method like that, you would be talking 1:1

[dire mango]

But i have to check my prayer, regear, get new tasks etc

[craggy wind]

It would make sense if the afk option was unenjoyable, which is your argument for slayer, but it doesn’t have that option to not enjoy

[dire mango]

So not enjoyable

[sour kelp]

If you've ever played on mobile then you'll likely know that you can minimise the on-screen minimap to free up a little more screen space, stacking the useful information orbs for Hitpoints, Prayer, Run Energy and Special Attack Energy at the top right.

We'd like to give players on desktop the same flexibility, just in case you want to tidy up your UI for a boss encounter or a laid-back Skilling session.``` did jagex forget this is already a feature in the offical client

[craggy wind]

That’s my entire argument. It’s missing a piece compared to other skills for balancing it.

[craggy wind]

[winter hearth]

Not on Java

[craggy wind]

Mobile stays winning

[dire mango]

When are you going to realise that the enjoyment is subjective 😭

[sour kelp]

java is disconinued no

"early 2025"

[winter hearth]

RuneLite still uses Java

[true talon]

How are you today goblin

[craggy wind]

Enjoyment is subjective, but it doesn’t negate the fact of agility is missing that element other skills have down for balance.

[winter hearth]

not bad! Last day before a week off, a tad warm but doin okay, yourself @true talon?

[true talon]

I had a week off as well and now I’m back at work, suffered at the doom till Tuesday and then went an played the new wow season.

Good boss btw

[craggy wind]

Now that actual game update discussion going on, I’ll stop yapping 🤣. Just trying to convince others it would be awesome to have it at least polled!

[winter hearth]

how's the new season? I've been watching some of the RWF but waiting for big guilds to actually hit mythic, I get excited for RWF and the nremember that the first few days are just endless heroic rotas

[dire mango]

It has low effort methods. 40k/hr from varlamore is a lot for agility

[true talon]

Is there more doom changes planned for next week?

[true talon]

Raid is great

[winter hearth]

I'd presume so!

[sour kelp]

so is the update only going to runelite or the legacy java client that still works despite being said to be unusable early 2025

[winter hearth]

Folks using any client that relies on Java will be able to minimise the minimap if they'd like

[craggy wind]

Again, Varlamore is comparative to rooftops so to me that’s not the balance I was referring to. It is a nice course comparatively. POH Method is the closest thing, and it’s unreliable 8-13k per hour and you have a lot of factors that make it inconsistent. Have a good day, sir. Agree to disagree, but no hate! Appreciate the discussion today.

[true talon]

Good to hear a bunch of my wow friends got addicted to hitting the gem crab.

So they are joining scaling as well lol

[tawny tide]

Mr Gob when can I block these damn lizards

[sour kelp]

okay

[winter hearth]

you can block them whenever you like, nothing's stopping you!

[tawny tide]

But muh refund

[true talon]

Any talk of maybe boosting the normal loot slightly, it’s really bad even by Ironman standards. I menu swapped to descend and only stop for glowing holes or death. I don’t feel there is any risk esp not with void being 10k death fee.

[winter hearth]

Not a project that I'm working on so nothing from me beast

[true talon]

Ahh darn

[sour kelp]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/reminder-legacy-java-client---retirement--shutdown?oldschool=1
just to be clear im referring to this which stated "So, from early next year, you will no longer be able to use the Legacy Java Client, even if you've previously downloaded it." which was why i got confused we were going back and updating it

[minor whale]

You can't use the vanilla java client anymore, but Runelite still gets updates that apply to all clients

And HDOS I assume will have the ability to as well

[sour kelp]

you can use vanilla java client

still

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770228901196333086/1405920731472199680/image.png?ex=68a09537&is=689f43b7&hm=40c28b3198d2346d310c336bdcf297b31180f813603bd3bd876ef009dc0e4931&

i use it a lot when i dont want to deal with runelite messing things up

[small anvil]

The cannonball update is really odd, I don't know a place where I'd want to intentionally load less cannonballs

Stash update very welcome

[lilac void]

A Friday update? Nice

[small anvil]

Not updated yet, just news about coming changes

The coffin for shades improvement will also be welcome

Being able to 1 click fill and empty will be nice

[craggy wind]

Great Friday update blog! A lot of these changes are super welcomed. agree the cannonball one got me a little confused as well, but if someone wants that, by all means

[hard axle]

That’s some good QOL

[celest sentinel]

We'd like to smooth this out, by making the Coal Bag, Gem Bag, Herb Sack, Plank Sack and Essence Pouches all share a consistent order for their right-click options, which would mirror the existing order for the Coal Bag.

Please, God, fix the log basket and forestry kit

[languid jackal]

I know it's not mentioned but, any chance potion storage gets looked at? I feel like it needs some love more than any other interface in the game. @winter hearth

[hard axle]

^add a way to disable potion storage if possible ty

[hasty shard]

runelite needs to lock tf in and fix the entry swaps in the bank tbh 😭

[hard axle]

Might not be possible cuz of how potion storage works

[hasty shard]

you just cant swap it to 1 dose

nah someone 100% pull requested a fix months ago

you also cant menu swap the placeholder option

[chrome lantern]

For the new blog:
Depositing into STASH units directly even while equipped is nice, with one exception - currently, the Pharaoh’s scepter STASH unit lets you deposit the robes only, and hold onto your scepter, but if you make it deposit while equipped this will no longer be possible unless the player drops their scepter first.

[frail bough]

The clues scroll update is just an insider pharaohs scepter merch. It's dpicks for toa all over again

mod goblin about to make bank /s

why would that matter

they would still need the space to equip it in the first place
allow removal on deposit wouldn't be the barrier here

[eager stream]

Allow players to deposit items into a S.T.A.S.H. Unit while they're still equipped.

[ancient cosmos]

Update the 'Set Effects' menu when wearing partially-complete outfits that provide a bonus. E.g. Inquistor armour pieces should display their 0.5% damage and accuracy boost, as well as displaying the additional 1% boost from the full set if the full set is equipped.

Could this be further expanded to have the following:

• Enchanted bolt effects
• Items that give hidden level boosts (such as the Celestial ring)

Essentially, it can be these listed items, or any other items that don't really have a direct mention of their passive benefits within the game.

I think this would be a nice feature to provide that information within the game.

[versed palm]

Damn, I was really hoping "Enter to chat" toggle was going to be included in this future update. I miss being able to use WASD to move the camera on the official client.

[chrome lantern]

I’m saying I don’t want to deposit my scepter but in order to not deposit I would need to drop it first with the new change

Since if I equip it it will still deposit, and that’s how you currently choose not to deposit it

[tacit wharf]

wouldnt you just not allow the scepter to be stashed (since your going to need it to tele there anyways), be a simple solution to this

[chrome lantern]

That’s another possible solution but some people do have it stashed there and that would also impact UIM

[tacit wharf]

fk UIM's

[chrome lantern]

Either way something to consider when looking at that specific change aspect

[frail bough]

this was a response to someone saying "this should be polled because uims benefit", they deleted their message apparently

[sacred oracle]

good catch

this is actually why I own two scepters, i think

just to avoid hassle of depositing it (though currently can avoid by wearing)

[hard axle]

Yep, two scepters here as well.

Master clue setup uses Sceptre for several steps, so it’s worth it to keep a second one.

[true talon]

You need 3 on ironman if you want 1 for stash.

[tawny tide]

Get a third sceptre, cowards

Jk I’ll never get a third

[tacit wharf]

u only need 2, no reason to ever put it in yr stash at pp unless yr a UIM and lets be real, they dont really count

1 for yr house, 1 to use to teleport/pp step

[hard axle]

well, dont wanna carry the costume around

so yeah, if u count altar, then yes u need 3

[tacit wharf]

u can put it in the stach w/o the spectre

[sand lichen]

Yep

[oblique stratus]

Allow players to deposit items into a S.T.A.S.H. Unit while they're still equipped.

Holy shit actually huge

Also adding more fairy ring favorites and loadouts for rune pouch/chugging barrel is so nice. Loadout names and making the potion storage retrieval being option for chugging barrel is appreciated too

Perhaps in the future we can see more potion storage improvements like custom ordering based on deposit order if not re-ordering

[bronze kernel]

I want potion storage interface to not be as shit

Make it more like the seed vault rather than what we have now

I feel Seed Vault is the peak design for unique and specialized storage

[chrome lantern]

I will still probably never use potion storage for any potions I ever actually want to use since it makes no sense to me to separate my potions from my other supplies

[bronze kernel]

And let us toggle if we want unfinished potions stored in there

[chrome lantern]

Since I don’t have bank space issues that also means I will just never get potion storage at all

[green pewter]

Monkeys paw curls, "wish granted, potion storage now restricts inventory control to only potions while its open"

[bronze kernel]

Or even a toggle of what potions we want in there

[oblique stratus]

Seeing as we're getting so many slayer rewards and ui improvements, I can only hope that Potion Storage is next

[obsidian venture]

Noticed they’re going to add 6 more rune pouch slots in the bank interface which is sweet

Can cover most things now

[normal temple]

Being able to name them is big too

No more spending a couple seconds looking at them like “wait which one did I need again, oh yeah this one”

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[narrow folio]

You can name them with a plugin already but this is nice

[obsidian venture]

Which one?

[plush gull]

any idea whats happening with with the quick prayer button there? will people finally be able to move it or will it just be disabled with minimap hidden?

[austere mulch]

I think it says in the blog that they default to the right of the screen

The orbs: run energy, spec energy, prayer

And hp I guess

[median wing]

runepouch loadout names

[narrow folio]

Yes

Runepouch Loadouts

[stuck mauve]

runepouch loadouts

[obsidian venture]

Ok thanks

[delicate rampart]

anyone know if theyre going to refund paid tokens for pets?

and/or when?

saw in a blog a bit ago that they were planning on doing it

[tidal lark]

"Allow players to deposit items into a S.T.A.S.H. Unit while they're still equipped." fuck yeah

[sacred skiff]

except for the master step with the pharaoh sceptre. We just need an exception for that one, cuz no one wants to buy/earn a third one.

[tidal lark]

dont interact with the stash then unless im misunderstanding something - i never tried it so idk if its possible but are u storing part of the set for the stash or something ?

[ember token]

you can have only the menaphite outfit stored in that stash unit yes

so you dont have to keep a sceptre stored in there

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[vivid ruin]

True

[stuck mauve]

real

i mean what data said is true

[vivid ruin]

Oh i thought you were memeing my bad

[stuck mauve]

i was yeah but i tried to make it relevant and to stay on topic

[vivid ruin]

Touche

[obsidian venture]

Aren’t they cheap

I did pp to 99 so I got like 10 pre buff

[vocal pine]

All these updates and still no poll 85 changes... Might just cancel my sub until they're live... Never pulling my pet out while playing mobile, ever again.

Lag spike killed my raccoon

Poll 85 makes pet reclaims free instead of 1m. Currently only insurance is free. To the guy who left a ?

[tacit wharf]

yes, i know, but a weird hill to die on

just dont take yr pet out

or dont die

[vocal pine]

I mean I obviously didn't plan on dying

As i said I was on mobile

And the game lagged and I couldn't drink my wine jug

[tacit wharf]

shoulda drank it earlier

[vocal pine]

Brother I'm just saying I don't feel like playing without my raccoon that I spent 2 billing cycles grinding for

[small anvil]

It's not gonna kill you to play without a pet following you lol

But if you want to take a break go for it

Just seems like a weird thing to act like the sky is falling about to me

[vocal pine]

Huh???

I spent 2 months doing nothing but steal from wine and seed stalls

[vivid ruin]

Do you need 1m brother

[small anvil]

Go steal 1 m from elves

[vocal pine]

I do, but its fine lol

2 months of stealing only got me 650k

[tacit wharf]

ardy knights is like so much money at a min

[small anvil]

You can pickpocket elves for like average 2m per hour I think

650k in 2 months is lol

3m per hour

[vocal pine]

To be fair, I was afk grinding the highest drop chance stalls

So not big payout

But higher raccoon chance

[restive siren]

canceling sub over 1m gp or not having a pet out for a couple of weeks is a certified osrs discord moment

[hard axle]

Tbf, if he is a low level and an iron, 1m gp is hard to come by

he’s thieving stalls so I doubt he’s super high level

[vocal pine]

I spent 2 months doing nothing but grind for rocky. It numbed my brain. Of course im going to be bummed that mobile lag made me lose him

[sacred cove]

False

[small anvil]

I just don't think raccoon is even good enough to be obsessed over is all

[sacred cove]

Gp is easy to come by

[vocal pine]

And knowing that it was decided pet revives would be free how long ago and its still not here sucks too

[small anvil]

But play how you like

[vivid ruin]

I do think its lame that you have to tip toe around the game with pets, and im glad its being fixed (eventually)

[hard axle]

use the 1m gp that early on for other expenses lil bro

[hard axle]

I really hope they consider just adding to gravestone

Trotting back to Probita was more annoying than the 1m gp

[small anvil]

I have a bunch of pets and use none of them

[hard axle]

I exploded myself at a friend’s party to scatter pets

[vocal pine]

Exactly. I'm not putting my entire accounts worth into the revive when it's going to be free. But I spent 2 months grinding for that pet and it feels bad logging on and not seeing it, knowing if I hadn't played mobile i would still have him.

[hard axle]

-25m

[hard axle]

that said, I still think they shouldn’t get rid of gp sink entirely.

I would pay an extra 100k a death if it stayed in my gravestone

Probita can be free if ur broke

[small anvil]

I actually think gp sinks are enough rn after ge tax change

Gear at least has been trending down

[vivid ruin]

Just delete probita tbh

[hard axle]

No no, I still believe in gp sinks

[vivid ruin]

Yeah but this one isnt it

[small anvil]

I believe in sinks but I'd be curious if we're actually experiencing deflation

[hard axle]

I also believe it should be fair to incentivize actually using it

[small anvil]

They've gone pretty hard in limiting the base loot of bosses

And ge tax doubling

[hard axle]

doubt it

There’s way too many gp sources and gp equivalents

[small anvil]

The market crashed hard on doom release

[sacred cove]

You can pick up eclipse wines for three hours and make 1 mill for almost 0 requirements

[hard axle]

3 hours 🥶

[small anvil]

And it didn't particularly recover

[sacred cove]

3 hours is almost nothing in osrs

[hard axle]

It’s entirely possible

[small anvil]

I'm not sure if it's just too many items in the game or what

[hard axle]

Only Jagex has that answer

[small anvil]

I'd favor them upping the aggressiveness of item sinking if it actually is deflation

I'm not sure tho

[sacred cove]

I do think pets should be free, I only have like 3 but I keep them in my house

[small anvil]

I think it might also be the balance of bots. Higher end pvm bots seem to be going wild rn

There's a massive yama bot farm that's twisting the soul rune market

[vivid ruin]

Yeah either make them free or give me a reason to pull them out other than bankstanding lol

[sacred cove]

Lost my golem once and had to pay 1 mill, not an issue, but I'd rather not have to remember to put them up anytime I do pvm

[hard axle]

50 here and I wish to detonate myself more frequently at parties

[small anvil]

Can you looting bag the pets

[hard axle]

Nope

[small anvil]

Aw

[minor whale]

Legit
Make it either a huge upfront fee per pet, or 100k/death but it stays with you

Or make it so call/dismiss follower worked better

A system where the whistle can be used to send them away from content you can't bring pets would be dope

And then the whistle calls them to you if they're dismissed

Having to remember every bit of content decently far from a bank where you can't bring a pet is obnoxious

[delicate rampart]

anyone know if theyre going to refund paid tokens for pets?
and/or when?
saw in a blog a bit ago that they were planning on doing it

[small anvil]

It's coming but not confirmed date

Next couple months is my expectation

But who knows

[delicate rampart]

really looking forward to getting 400m back from buying my pets back over and over again... especially since its on an iron

[sharp tendon]

You died 400 times with your pets on an iron?

[delicate rampart]

@sharp tendon You know it. never really spent my money on anything so once i got tob dusted pet i just never put it away

[exotic barn]

I don't think you will be refunded all money you've spent to reclaim pets in the past, just pre-paid tokens you've bought and haven't used

[minor whale]

You only get refunded unused tokens

[small anvil]

you're not gonna be refunded 400m lol. they only promised refunds for people who pre-paid to insure before they were auto-insured

I dont think they're even gonna give money back for refund tokens gained from extra pet rolls =/

[stuck mauve]

that's rough

[minor whale]

Correct
It's only purchased, unused tokens

[stuck mauve]

when is sailing releasing, September?

[small anvil]

i dont think there was an exact month, just "fall" from what i remember

[steep tangle]

Autumn, so like any time before mid december basically. Likely not until November imo.

I think it would be dope to release it during Thanksgiving break.

[small anvil]

i was gonna say making people work during that is bad but i guess jagex wouldnt be celebrating american thanksgiving

[stuck mauve]

i see

[ember token]

its probably gonna be late november

[steep tangle]

I'd be sad if Deadman came out anytime close to Sailing. Xp waste

[stuck mauve]

so winter 2017

[earnest marsh]

cant wait for EOS

time for skilling to get powercreep

not only pvm

[chrome lantern]

Evolution of Sailing

[obsidian venture]

Whatever the system for pets is, it’s better than what it was a few years ago. If you lost a pet it was permanently gone

[last onyx]

Sailing's gonna be doåe

Dope*

Wait this isn't #ironman

[earnest marsh]

still bad system

[obsidian venture]

For sure

Once you stopped losing pets permanently, I became indifferent to whatever future changes that might happen

Good qol for folks tho once it goes live

[vestal jetty]

I wanna see the race of max players to top high score page when sailing comes out

[timid axle]

they announced UI changes to the game before ever mentioning (let alone finally implementing) the promised UI changes to the bank and it's a huge bummer 🙁
not only for essentially skipping what could've been awesome QOL improvement but also for the mere fact that we can't actually rely on THESE UI changes ever going live just as much

[silent peak]

Mobile friendly teleport menus gets an "Ooh that's " from me

[bronze kernel]

Sailing will be pushed to back in time to Winter 2017

[stuck mauve]

[noble igloo]

anyone else think kura/dura should be able to assign custodian stalkers?

[chrome lantern]

Optional unlock like lizardmen and basilisks maybe

[noble igloo]

thats fair

[stone token]

Just a few suggestions... this is coming from someone who usually plays on mobile, because I rarely have the time to play on PC. I'm not sure how this looks on the desktop versions.

-Consistent with this new update that has been mentioned for UI changes, some of the map icons for entrances to caves, etc are not rubberbanded (connected via a click) to their alternate. This is especially prominent on subsurface or surface-disconnected maps.
i.e. if you click them, they do not take you to the other side of the "ladder" or "cave entrance."

-Also having the option to search from any map such as the main surface map to find anything in any other map would be useful. Like if I was looking for something on the surface of Geilenor while being in a cave somewhere. Instead of having to find that map, it would be better if I could use the search box to find it.

-Last thing about that, things like Treasure trails and other Runescape oddities will show you an arrow to the destination, but if it is on another map than you are on, it will almost always point the wrong way. For instance, if I am on the main surface map and I have the clue at the death altar, it will point me North, instead of towards the closest entrance to the caves in West Ardougne/Lletya (or have an arrow on both entrances if you are looking at the big map to give you an indication that it is within that cave system and there are many ways to get there).

[past robin]

When is the slayer update

[tacit wharf]

coming soon!

[past robin]

soon as in this month right

[tacit wharf]

would say next 2 weeks, mayb e3

[past robin]

2 weeks is ok ty

[stone vessel]

I looked at all the channel names and couldn't find one that fits this but Jagex mods, please do something about the Shilo Village gem mine bots. I am getting tired of reporting them all and I am just an ironman trying to get gems!

[jagged marsh]

ETA for slayer update?

oh lol

eyes plugin useful here

[sharp tendon]

There isn't a channel for this. Only option is to report them in game,

[chrome lantern]

They do also have a tip-off email

[exotic barn]

No actual ETA on it yet any answers on it are purely speculative

[tacit wharf]

goblin said last week, "Coming Soon!"

[exotic barn]

Which translates to "No ETA as of yet" 🦀

[tacit wharf]

well no, its been said late august/early sept, so we do have a time frame

and as we have 2 wednesdays left is august and only 4 in september, would put it at 2-4 weeks

[small anvil]

Oh I thought August was said, didn't know it was possibly September

[kind sail]

pretty sure Ash said it was most likely coming before the end of the month

[next prairie]

any news updates on Official HD?

[quiet plank]

Yeah the beta for the new renderer is out rn. You can enable it if you're not using runelite

[next prairie]

that's not an official hd update lol, that's new renderer which I'm already on

there has been minimal bug fixes for the new renderer released as well

I meant more like timeline

[quiet plank]

As far as the timeline goes they said around the time of sailing so it'll be this year

[round lintel]

Would you guys like a rerun of leagues 4 or 5?

I need a league this year haha :/

[chrome lantern]

Anything other than Trailblazer rerun again would make me very happy

It's extremely boring and stale to just rerun the same region locking again, no matter how many new cool gimmicks they add

Leagues 3 >>> Leagues 4/5

[round lintel]

Shatter relics?

I like the op wearing 3 god items for more power

[chrome lantern]

I'm not attached to the specific relic fragment sets

But the fact that you could do more than just 3 regions

And actually switch up your gear and build

Automatically made it astornomically better than the repeats of the region lock leagues

Leagues 2 was cool and fun

Leagues 4 and 5 were just boring repeats

[round lintel]

is sad they are not doing a new league specially with varlamore

[chrome lantern]

That would be extremely boring idk

Only so much content in one region

Or I guess I'll put it differently

It could go well if they didn't make everything 5x drop rate and same power as previous leagues have been recently

Because like if you lock only to one region and keep this level of power then you just clear it instantly lmao

Whereas Leagues 1 had people doing niche methods and chasing rarer drops and stuff

[round lintel]

I just need a break of the main game and feel a little more adrenaline getting drops

hahaha

[chrome lantern]

Go on w345 DMM >:)

[round lintel]

I was rank 467 total lvl on last dmm

I dont wanna play pvp game modes

I just wanna feel pump up with regular ironman 5x drops i usually go dry on

to take a break xd

[meager flame]

im ngl i think they should probably come up with a new leagues idea

i have a bad feeling they're just taking a year off to come back and do mostly the same thing

[round lintel]

Yeah def they would but they said it will always be region locks

[chrome lantern]

I would be fine with a Shattered Relics redo or something totally new, just not Trailblazer version 4

[meager flame]

yeah the region locks just aren't interesting to do repeatedly

that was a bad call from them

[chrome lantern]

There's enough new stuff and they can totally redo the relics and actually balance the unlock points properly

The problem with Shattered Relics was that you had literally everything unlocked before you even got to max relic fragment slots lmao

[round lintel]

I liked Shattered relics

[chrome lantern]

So the points were pretty dumb

[round lintel]

to be honest the most fun i had as a noob

[meager flame]

like they found a mode with some replayability and decided that meant infinite gameplay

and thats not really what it is

you have a finite number of interesting region combos

and then its over

[minor whale]

They've gotta make the league not max power in like a week

[chrome lantern]

Also like multiple people including myself did multiple accounts lmao

Because I got incredibly bored of the endgame on one of my accounts being just go kill stuff but with a style it's not weak to for stuff I don't even want or need

[minor whale]

I had tbow, scy, quiver, infernal, and t10 combat unlock within a week and I wasn't no-lifing

[round lintel]

I got 2 dragon ranks, 2 rune ranks in last league and quit 2 weeks before it ended

xd

[minor whale]

You just got WAY too strong WAY too fast

[meager flame]

i mean thats just leagues

[chrome lantern]

I had zero interest in dragon on either of the last two leagues despite getting dragon on 2 and 3

[meager flame]

i got dragon last league in 2 weeks almost exactly

[chrome lantern]

Because they were just boring repeats of Leagues 2 with a couple new gimmicks

[meager flame]

and beyond that point it was really just grinding for niche weird stuff if you wanted to keep playing

it was kind of already there getting to dragon

for the last few thousand points

[round lintel]

they were doing a league every year

but with sailing they dont want to

like i mean

[chrome lantern]

Like one big factor though is that if I pick melee for example, it's all well and good until I get to the bosses I can't kill with melee, then it just becomes really slow and unexciting too

[round lintel]

many people would love jumping into a league rather than getting 80+ sailing on release

but I think thats what they dont want

[chrome lantern]

But with not locking you to one combat path, you can actually work around that lmao

[meager flame]

i dont really think they can do both

like

the bandwidth in their team doesn't exist to do leagues and sailing and a new gm quest and raids next year

etc

like they went huge for varlamore and look at how it dragged out

[ember token]

for the first 4 leauges, it was closer to 2 years apart, but then raging echoes was exactly a year after trailblazer

[kind surge]

rather them focus on the main game for a year or two, then have a big league down the line with all these new content and regions and let them figure out a good gimmick for that league

[round lintel]

I thought they said project zanaris people were separate and were going to use them as a new resource for future things

think they lied to us on that one

[meager flame]

also i think they just needed a break in general for leagues

their cosmetics for the last one were cooked

it felt like a league they released because they needed to meet quota and not because they had a good idea

i dont think it was like terrible either but like

it just didn't feel very creative like some of the others

[round lintel]

I mean I liked some of the echo bosses fight

[kind surge]

echo bosses were great though

[round lintel]

the combat relics were meh but good

[ember token]

i think leagues needs to be at minimum 2 years apart especially if they plan on continuing to do region locking as the main gimmick

[meager flame]

ya the bosses were good but everything else was kinda slipping

[kind surge]

ye the rest were alright at best

just felt like reloaded after I did my echo boss grind

[meager flame]

which makes sense because it was kind of dead cosmetically for whatever reason and the other stuff was basically what we already did just rehashed and fixed up some

[round lintel]

Kandarin was horrible

Echo thermy was a horrible fight though

and its drop was really bad

[kind surge]

the kandarin cope 😭

[chrome lantern]

Region locking is sadge

[meager flame]

tbh i think if they want region locking in the future

[round lintel]

to be honest I would totally pay another $12 just to play last league but without region locks

[meager flame]

they would have to do something that might be out of scope for a league

[round lintel]

if they do that id sign in

[meager flame]

like replacing where drops come from and moving bosses and npcs around

or just replacing them with things that dont even exist

[round lintel]

no need to add rewards on the main game

[ember token]

randomizer league

[kind surge]

they should combine the current regions together if they ever want to bring back region locking again

[chrome lantern]

Things I want most from future leagues:
-Able to do all the content in the game, even if I have to get Dragon rank to unlock it all.
-Able to switch between combat styles.

I honestly think the permanent unlocks with no way to undo them are the worst part of leagues tbh

Like in Leagues 4 I just outright ended up despising the things I picked

So I just stopped

Hindsight 20/20

[meager flame]

i kinda wish they would just try something really different like the game just being scary/difficult and leaving town might kill you because npcs actually do things and want to kill you

probably wouldn't be very fun for people that suck at the game though

[ember token]

leagues is for super casuals

so they wouldnt do that

[meager flame]

it would just be cool for people that already played the game to finally get to the end of monkey madness and jungle demon isn't jungle demon anymore

[ember token]

waiter waiter, more region locking and completing a giant checklist of tasks

[meager flame]

and stuff like that

[round lintel]

again if they open lets say 100 worlds on a total separate client and you pay $12 to get in (more like a new game open thru jagex launcher) just to play for a month with no region locks but the ideas of leagues 5

many people may improve in the game

xd

[ember token]

im fine with that if it doesnt impact main game development

[meager flame]

im pretty sure zanaris is mega dead

like

[ember token]

it definitely is

[meager flame]

they were just trying to soften the blow with how they worded everything

but they're probably never going to reconsider anything about it lmao

[round lintel]

I was able to get my first inferno cape cuz i practiced in leagues 4

[ember token]

the main thing it would've been good for is curbing the demand for more slop leagues

[round lintel]

I will not play dmm this year though

unless there is a cool cosmetic added new

Like I wanted the tbow, shadow scythe cosmetic but they scrapped it due to redditors

[austere mulch]

Zanaris was a ploy to get budget approved for necessary engine work that otherwise wouldn’t have gotten approved. They knew ahead of time that a project like that wouldn’t be deliverable, but the hype it got gave them enough power to request the upgrades and then, once completed, said “jk this is too much. If only we had known wink wink”

Corporate playbook 101

[meager flame]

i wonder how willing they're going to be to even get into engine work in the next couple years

whoever has been battling with their engine demons for the past year has really been put to work lol

[tacit wharf]

i mean they unfkered the poh code, which is big

[meager flame]

yeah but like

every update is also coming with insane and weird bugs that someone has to solve

[tacit wharf]

i mean, tbh, that is pretty much any other games updates as well, feel we've had it pretty easy in that way for awhile

live though some of these growing pains as some of that spagitti code gets cleaned, for more streamlined stuff down the road

[ember token]

engine updates will continue, maybe at a slower pace, but they're always going to be working to optimize the code

[tacit wharf]

i wonder if they ever went through with changing the farming time to sync with the engine time and not with the player (think ash talked about wanting to do that a long time ago)

[minor whale]

They've fixed a ton of higher end bugs and exploits just by unfucking the engine some
I've got a few friends in the bug abuse community and a huge # of their methods have been rendered dead by engine changes

[pearl tangle]

I am once again here to whine that hopping worlds is atrocious

[ember token]

i would simply just not hop worlds

problem solved 😄

[tacit wharf]

can go back to having to log in everytime u hop?

[pearl tangle]

$11 I’d be slapping my knees with y’all too but it’s like $14

[earnest marsh]

Ye, but i wonder how much they can fix outdated engine

[ember token]

as long as the higherups allow them to allocate time to engine work, they can fix stuff

[bronze kernel]

Project Zanaris being a ruse to get funding to un-spaghetti the code sounds reasonable

[round lintel]

Would you guys be ok if the game looked like RS3 but with all the functionality of osrs?

[sacred cove]

No

[round lintel]

then why do people use HD and all those plugins to make it look like the eoc servers?

[ember token]

well what does look like RS3 mean - does that include how RS3 has like 4 different art styles across different eras of content

or do you mean just closer to modern graphics

[round lintel]

Closer modern graphics

[ember token]

different people have different tastes and opinions

[sacred cove]

117 != RS3

[tacit wharf]

absolutely no, fking hd is horrible to look at

[round lintel]

I believe that myself

but the bot nuke works at least 70% higher than it does to osrs and I think is due to the type of client

[tacit wharf]

i can understand some like it, but its a major turn off for me, especially if im watching someone

[ember token]

some people use 117 and stuff like that because they just want to make the graphics look "better" (in their opinion), some people use HDOS because they're nostalgic for the RS2 HD era of the game

[quiet plank]

The graphics client doesn't effect bot detection at all

[ember token]

see https://runescape.wiki/w/ClusterFlutterer

also it's not because of the type of client specifically, it's because allowing 3rd party clients makes banning bots more difficult

runelite existing makes botting easier

if you want to see a bot nuke in OSRS, they can either A: crack down very hard on RWTers, which will likely result in false bans in the process, or B: ban 3rd party clients, which would upset a lot of people

[tacit wharf]

unless of course they could offer something close to what some of the 3rd party clients do (plug-in hub/hp)

[ember token]

which is what they're working on, but it's going to upset people regardless no matter how good the official client gets

change is scary

[tacit wharf]

true redditors are never happy at the end of the day

[ember token]

and people are lazy and will not switch if they dont have to

[icy relic]

HD sucks, too much visual clutter

Liked bloom lighting as a kid but it just looks shit to me now

[hard axle]

HD and 117 users are not the norm by any means

[earnest marsh]

Spaghetti codes that reliant on other spaghetti codes tho

[bronze kernel]

Modern RS3 graphics are nothing like 117HD or even HDOS.

[bronze kernel]

I only like 117HD because it lets me control the saturation and brightness and stuff. I turn off all of the extra clutter like fog and atmospheric lighting

[sullen island]

is it just universally accepted that we're going to live with bots running the game cause absolutely nothing is being done to stop them

[nocturne solstice]

nah

[meager flame]

i mean things are being done to "stop" them but of course they're going to be here now and in the future

its really silly to assume anything else

[last onyx]

Most bots would lose their purpose if everyone was an iron just saying

[round lintel]

One thing I cannot get my head off from is, why in the slayer update coming soon is not mentioned or considered that if you unlock something you shouldnt have to spend more points if you disable it and want to re enable.

[sullen island]

like I get that it can be hard to detect chin bots or something that is just feeding the GE with consumables for mains, but the high scores are filled with bots, have been filled with bots, the community is consistently outraged and there's not even as much as an acknowledgement of it from the mods. It's clearly intentional to keep them in the game

[round lintel]

To be honest bots that are annoying are raid bots(cox, tob, toa), Yama bots, Doom bots, gwd bots, muspah and wildy bots... they have most of good money making on the ground

Things are cheap af

[analog crow]

Most bots would lose their purpose if lazy dumbasses stopped buying gold

Buying gold should be an instant permaban anyway

[round lintel]

It is nowadays

[analog crow]

Good

[round lintel]

Everyone ive heard of getting banned for buying gold (even if it was first time) got permed

[hoary garden]

Does anyone know when slayer master specific block lists will be implemented? I know the blog post says August/September, but was kinda hoping for any specific info on it

[ember token]

2-3 weeks

[hoary garden]

Thanks!

[jovial sentinel]

What do you want? A line in every patch notes to remind you they are constantly trying to deal with bots? Do they need to remind you about everything they are working on so you're happy?
Fact is, osrs is so easy to bot that its actually impossible for them to fix it completely. They could probably do more than they do currently, but likely for marginal benefit. Just have to accept that it is what it is really.

If what they are doing isnt good enough, go play a multiplayer fps and be reminded of how many hackers are in every single one, despite kernal level anticheat.

[sullen island]

bots not approaching front page highscores would be an excellent start

[jovial sentinel]

-shrugs- the answer would probably be to stop caring about high scores. But also, how do you know they are bots?

[sullen island]

spoken like a true rwter

[sacred oracle]

The problem isn't that they're on high scores, so saying to stop caring about high scores seems to suggest a misunderstanding of the situation

The problem is that they get so much kc that they can get near the top of high scores

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mtgn8b/1012_out_of_the_25_top_page_players_for_doom_are/

[jovial sentinel]

Oh yeah, but what do you expect? Ban them instantly, and they instantly change how the bot works, and all the bots work again.

And net 0 gain

The bot makers put in less effort than it takes to prevent them.

And make more money.

[sullen island]

you're right, rank 5 for most recent boss being a bot is acceptable

[sacred oracle]

I also completely disagree with the fatalism about bots, where many people just kind of shrug and say "if you did something, it wouldn't help, they'd just program something else."

[sullen island]

i take back everything i said

[jovial sentinel]

Its definitely a problem, its just not so easy to fix.

And isnt as simple as ban them faster.

Also, ofc a bot would have top of high scores early on a new bossm bots can do that contejt better, faster, and dont fatigue.

[sacred oracle]

I feel like a lot of times, people are treated somewhat roughly just for being mad about the bot problem, as if being annoyed at rampant cheating is somehow a weird position to take.

It's an interesting dynamic

[jovial sentinel]

Potentially. But they could also think a little more, instead of demanding dev attention to something they are already likely doing or have a plan for, just because they cant see whats being done.

They could probably do more, its just not necessarily that useful

[sullen island]

They gave an insane breakdown for the UIM that just lost a 5b deathpile but they can't tell that an account with 100m runecrafting xp and no other skills is a bot

I dont know what we're defending here

[jovial sentinel]

I actually dont know what the actual solution is. Usually id say make the game harder to cheat.

But thats impossible with rs.

How do you know a 100mil rc account is a bot?

[final frigate]

anyone know if they confirmed when toa weightings are coming in?

[jovial sentinel]

Just because someone no lifes rc doesnt mean its a bot.

People have done weirder things.

[sullen island]

you've gotta have a bot farm or something there's no way 🤣

[jovial sentinel]

Someone i knew had low stats and randomly decided to get 200mil fm back in the day

Manual fires. No wintertodt.

Had like.. 40 combat.

Thought he was crazy.

[sullen island]

lots of profit in burning logs

great point you're bringing up

[jovial sentinel]

My point is that people do weird shit for seemingly no reason

Making an rc pure isnt that out there

[sullen island]

yep and the 1% of those weird accounts that get banned can appeal

the other 99% that are bots can stay gone

[jovial sentinel]

Lol, jagex appeal system.

Blanket banning accounts is aj easy way to make this a much bigger issue

[sullen island]

bots are bringing over 2.5b gp into the game on one account of making blood runes

[jovial sentinel]

And make way more people annoyed, and more legitimately.

[sullen island]

we're not talking about a large population of players here

[jovial sentinel]

Im not saying botting isnt a problem.

Just that its not that easy to solve.

You seem to think it is, but thay example clearly shows you dont get it.

[sullen island]

Im not saying its easy to solve

im saying that the bare minimum is keeping them off the front page

[jovial sentinel]

Blanket banning people you 'think' are botting is a horrible idea.

You need to be 100% sure.

[sullen island]

1 person could spend an hour looking at front pages a day

[hasty shard]

are the 100m rc pures in the room with us

[jovial sentinel]

Looking at high scores isnt going to tell you someone is a bot, ever.

[sullen island]

keeping the front pages clean at least shows the bare minimum effort is being put it

[hasty shard]

^

[jovial sentinel]

Unless we're talking boss kills that are impossibly high in the first weeks, as in an qccount running 100% of the time

[sullen island]

letting bots run highscores shows that absolutely nothing is being done to stop the issie

[jovial sentinel]

You cant even be sure thats botting

[sullen island]

its pretty simple man what are you going on about

[jovial sentinel]

Just that something is against ToA

[sullen island]

these accounts have stats for one quest

and kill one boss

[jovial sentinel]

How is it simple?

[sullen island]

its not rocket science

[jovial sentinel]

So?

Nornal people do that too.

[sullen island]

no, normal people do not do that

[jovial sentinel]

Do bots do it more? Potentially. Wheres your proof?

Ok sure. Those people arnt normal

But people do that.

[hasty shard]

you don't have proof there are real people doing this either...?

[jovial sentinel]

Absolutely.

[hasty shard]

you aren't exactly making an argument by being equally nebulous

[sullen island]

normal people do not start the game, get the exact bare minimum stats for ONE quest, and kill ONE boss for their entire gaming experience

[jovial sentinel]

But you need proof they are bots, and all bots before banning.

[sullen island]

those accounts don't exist

[jovial sentinel]

You dont need proof they arnt.

How do you know?

As in, 100% sure.

[sullen island]

because I'm not an idiot

I am aware that we are mentally ill playing this game but nobody is that mentally ill

[jovial sentinel]

Doesnt sound 100% certain

Doesnt sound like proof

[slender vapor]

Pretty safe bet

[sullen island]

alright man

lets just give the game to bots

[slender vapor]

[sullen island]

since they're unstoppable

undectectable

[jovial sentinel]

Id agree, its likely fairly safe, but people will be caught up in it

Ajd all the bots restart immediately, minor solution

[sullen island]

no real person has ever logged onto runescape and done the exact same thing every single session

[jovial sentinel]

And now a bunch of people are in the appeal system that barely works

[sullen island]

you clean a herb or something and get random xp in a stat

these are all the exact same

[jovial sentinel]

Who said every single session?

People have accounts for that crap, and arnt their main

Its almost always second window alongside main

[sullen island]

give one example

of an account that looks like a bot

[jovial sentinel]

We're talking rushing 100mil rc?

As the example

[sullen island]

any example

[jovial sentinel]

Im not even sure what im giving an example of. Because literally any 'sus' thing could be some weird dumb challenge account someone is second screening.

Should the devs investigate? Sure. How much money is that costing? Is that saving more than the bots are doing damage?

[sullen island]

the bots bring them more money than stopping them would

[jovial sentinel]

Is that cost going to tank the company trying to fix? Almost definitely.

[sullen island]

this is the core issue

[jovial sentinel]

Ignoring that, my statement stands.

It would likely cost them more in manpower to fix than they would gain.

And almost definitely fail at fixing

Because its likely impossible.

[sullen island]

then to circle back to my point, get them off front page. If you're going to allow the problem to persist with no intervention whatsoever, at least give us high score front page as a guarantee to be real people.

don't even have to ban em

just get em off the highscores

its a joke

[jovial sentinel]

Ill return to my point. How are you 100% certain its a bot? You werent.

A feeling, or its obvious, or im not stupid isnt proof.

[sullen island]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mtgn8b/1012_out_of_the_25_top_page_players_for_doom_are/

[jovial sentinel]

Pvm is different. They'll be banned at some point and removed.

[sullen island]

not a single real person has any doubt about these accounts

[plush gull]

when oathplate poll

[tough nacelle]

Reality is these last few updates are just bot favoured content

Almost no skill requirements

Very much tick perfect gameplay for top tier rewards

Which bots excel at both

I don’t disagree that botting is hard to deal with but

They can’t be releasing content with such low requirements

If yama and delve are supposed to be endgame, attach a high req to completions

Make it 95 slayer

Or make it 90 rune crafting or agility

[knotty plover]

true endgame, make it 200m all to event attempt the boss

[dire mango]

It's not for Sqwid of the osrs discord to provide proof that holds up in a court of law. He's just saying most of the accounts on the hiscores that are like that are bots. Which is not a wild statement.

If you see an account with the stats for one questline, and thousands of kc for a single boss (nothing else), which do you think is more probable. That it's a bot or that is is an alt of a random legit player that just really likes that boss so much that they made a "this boss only"-account?

[analog crow]

Thinking those accounts are not bots is pretty high grade copium or very naive

[earnest vigil]

I dont believe people "think they are not bots" but rather cannot guarantee they are not

[analog crow]

Jagex will not ban people for their hs placements, but they should exercise higher scrunity against these accounts

[earnest vigil]

How are you bucketing "these accounts" ? Whats stopping 1/2 ban waves until bot makers learn that the similar stat structure is what is causing increased scrutiny and then make the bot do 1 thing before doing another, diversifying its account ?

[dire mango]

That is for jagex to investigate and decide. And ofc they can't guarantee a "100% perfect no false bans rate" either. But that shouldn't stop players from pointing out obvious bottng trends just because 1/X botting-look-alike account may be a real player.

[earnest vigil]

Never said it should stop players

[dire mango]

I know, but that is how the previous person parroting "you can't 100% proove they're not a bot" used it to argue.

[lapis patio]

@golden burrow With the update regarding UI improvements announced, anyway we could request that Ctrl + M can be swapped to a 1 key, keybind? (Cannot swap 2 keys to 1 key press as it would be macroing if we wanted to swap it to say M on runelite)

[dire mango]

Time spent building an account is time not spent farming stuff into oblivion. If a bot maker has to diversify their skills, quests and kcs beyond the bare minimum then they might be more at risk of getting caught before they get to the gold-farming stage. They also have to spend time/money making/buying scripts to do do the content that diversifies the accounts as well.

[jovial sentinel]

sure, but demanding the devs do something about 'these bot accounts' and giving examples that likely are just weird mindset players is weird. so yeah, kinda do need proof. the pvm example is likely true though.

[earnest vigil]

yeah, thatll be effective

[dire mango]

You're seeing the accounts that "made it through." Not the accounts that got banned on their way there because of the added reqs. I'm not saying it's a way of stopping all bots. No single thing will do that. Just that it may help.

[earnest vigil]

and I think its wasteful/short term solutions to try and catch bots by creating account profiles with higher ban rates. id rather see a long-term solution developed

[elder sluice]

Anyone know how long update be?

[earnest vigil]

instant

[elder sluice]

ty

new to discord were would i see that?

[nocturne solstice]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/693170141071933471

[elder sluice]

ty

[stable musk]

is there no more info about the update?

[nocturne solstice]

zilch

[obsidian venture]

Like post update? Probably would have to ping a jmod when they chat here on update day

[final frigate]

the 10 raid level increment thing

[dire mango]

Or comment on the reddit update post, asking for it at day of release.

[obsidian venture]

That works too

Wish the communication wasn’t as split

Rarely check reddit

[stoic oracle]

they fixed hasta

[marble whale]

When the bot remover update dropping?

[true talon]

You can’t beat bots, no company in the history of the world has beaten bots. Most adpat and turn them into a profit opportunity, while giving anti-cheat something to do.

The incentive for bot makers to keep them going is greater than the incentive of jagex to remove them.

The only way you will truely stop them is remove what brings them. Which is tradeable gold and irl value. Aka Ironman, but even then the incentive to produce bots will still exist as long as there are skills so bad that people will be willing to risk their account to finish it.

It’s just the realistic world we live in

However if no1 can trade then the bottling is limited to training accounts and doesn’t have much impact on the economy (though there is no economy if you can’t trade) so it’s a lesser of two evils to keep them going

[hard axle]

Yep, that's why more content SHOULD be locked behind quests and have higher quest level requirements.

It would be 100x worse if everything didn't have requirements because bots can be combat trained in F2P and the ones that do survive are then bonded at 70-80 melee stats to pot content like corp, nm, etc.

But instead, you literally have people crying and fighting about 75-80 requirements on Grandmaster-tier quests

"Oh it wasn't this high on the original WGS quest"

[slender vapor]

80-90 reqs when?

90 defense and runecrafting

[glass fog]

do we know anything about when the slayer update will go live for block list for each slayer master?

[shadow wave]

Late August/Early September

Going to get that put on my tombstone

[glass fog]

To be fair, pretty much all applications nowadays track other stuff going on with your device. So if launching the client means agreeing to let it see what else is running, their AI could easily pick up on bot clients. I think the real issue with this in the past though was the UK’s privacy laws, since I remember Jagex mentioning something like this before.

[glass fog]

im hoping for sonner rather than later lol slayer is my last 99 on the one def and i bounc eback and fourth between nornal and wildy slayer but i plan to be done with the grind in the next few months

[hard axle]

Tbf, they seem to be retracting a lot of the privacy laws now and going full China

[plush cipher]

When is the big slayer update coming

With multiple blocklists etc.

[minor whale]

Look like 4 messages up

[plush cipher]

O lol

Ty

[stiff thorn]

well after using 40 ish poison dynamite hits on guard dogs in ardougne mansion to not land a poison im pretty sure they are immune? wiki states they are not

[steep tangle]

Could be wrong but maybe they function similar to cows? The cows have a “moo” timer that conflicts with the poison timer so they just don’t get poisoned. I think the guard dogs “woof” occasionally (been a while since I’ve seen it but I vaguely remember it). So maybe the woof timer does the same thing?

[stiff thorn]

hmm it could be possible alltho i didn't pay attention to woofers but atleast didn't notice them doing it

might need to check that

very intresting tho if it does conflict with woof or moo

[tough nacelle]

Can we just say wtf

Like I know about this

But wtf

Let me type moo

And be immune to poison

Spaghetti code is wild

[stiff thorn]

it is wild but its intresting to learn about these things since im playing a 10hp acc

wud be nice to know tho what happens on the cow when it moos for it to be immune

since moo does not delay hit splats i believe?

if i had a twitter or w/e wud tweet mod ash and ask " moo? wtf? where poison" but i dont so i wont 🙁

[tough nacelle]

I think it has to check for moo or for poison damage

So the moo overrides the poison damage

Moo is probably on the same timer

Or something similar

So it either checks for moo or for poison damage

And moo takes prio

[stiff thorn]

moo is stronk

[tough nacelle]

Moo is love moo is life

[unreal eagle]

do we have an ETA for slayer summer sweep up yet? Last time they said aug/sept - or is it gonna be september because we havent heard something yet

[minor whale]

They said late August/ early September

That's all that's known

[unreal eagle]

ok ty

[true talon]

Is this why widega keeps saying moo in delves

To avoid venom

[hasty shard]

moo

[jagged marsh]

no i think its a plugin

gnomonkey was going meow whenever stat drain proced at nex

its not watchdog but something else

[toxic trench]

whatsup with the servers?

[chrome lantern]

Nothing I've noticed

Ok nvm mine just froze

Yep

[marsh sand]

same here

insane lagg on all worls

and now just crashed

[vague gorge]

So wasn’t just me lol

[chrome lantern]

RIP 9 waves of delve loot

[slender pewter]

Also dc from 346

[warped oasis]

ty jagex

all worlds dc'ed

[blissful tree]

573 down

[chrome lantern]

Was 415

[vague gorge]

Dc in middle of toa

Smh

[slender pewter]

hope nobody got any drops just now

[finite orchid]

same

i dced at p4 warden

[fair ocean]

41/50 Peach conjueror

[tacit wharf]

no but i did have a sub 150 noon and 30 sec left for the master ca

[stoic oracle]

-250k wardens GAGEEEEEEEX

[topaz skiff]

anyone else unable to log in?

[chrome lantern]

I didn't close my client when it crashed but I'm seeing people having issues with launcher

[honest cairn]

Yeah I'm stuck on Jagex launcher

[vague gorge]

Same

[honest cairn]

Literally just died and lost so fkn much

[rigid dirge]

i was on my hc ty gagex

[chrome lantern]

I lost 9 delves of loot

Was between floors

[tiny dew]

So nothing basically

[chrome lantern]

I want the aether catalysts but the rest is meh

I guess I should've known better than to use the same world

[minor whale]

615 also down

[timid spire]

334 same

[buoyant sandal]

dcing

wtf?

whyb game going down

[chrome lantern]

It went back up and was clearly server side on 415

[buoyant sandal]

every few minutes

[tough nacelle]

ooof

[chrome lantern]

Because 30 seconds later it resumed where it left off and I watched Doom spawn lmao

[olive mirage]

i cant log in to any world, says login servers not ofund

[chrome lantern]

There it goes again!

[tacit wharf]

time to touch grass for an hr or so

[unborn timber]

🤢

[olive mirage]

i just got done cutting grass 😭

[tacit wharf]

u cut it, didnt touch it

[chrome lantern]

Yeah... touching grass... totally...

Nothing else possibly

[buoyant sandal]

how do we tell mods?

are they aware of this?

[tacit wharf]

good of u to assume they dont already see it happening

[sacred oracle]

i would hope so

they work there

[slender pewter]

Almost certainly lol

[sacred oracle]

how would they not know?

[chrome lantern]

@ mods (jk I'm not tagging any)

[sacred oracle]

probably 48290829052 pagerduty alerts being sent to some poor oncall sysadmin's phone rn

[tacit wharf]

i imagine its like the summon thrall plug-in, big flashing red light, that says some worlds are dc'ing

[lament peak]

I lost my 5 death piles thanks gagex

[tacit wharf]

all we can say is , sit UIM

[chrome lantern]

I really should've known better than to go right back in lmao but at least it was only at the end of delve 3 that I DCed this time

Same world and all xd

[tough nacelle]

DDOS confirmation when LOL

[shut hull]

what matters is that you enjoyed the experience while it lasted big dawg

[chrome lantern]

Their website is having issues too

It would seem

[lethal plinth]

seen no issues on w342

[analog crow]

Hello gagek I would like to click rock plox

[tacit wharf]

best they can do is let you touch grass

[lament peak]

13.99 🦀

[tiny dew]

$17.99 🦀

[safe tulip]

wtf is going on, almost lost HC status to scurrius with this lag

[weary oar]

same. i was about to go bossing and decided to organize my bank first..so lucky lol

[lone hull]

Servers are down

[brave tundra]

Blizzard is DDOSSING jagex rn lol

[weary oar]

have they put out a notice or anything? i see nothing on twitter or their official website

[civic oriole]

nope

[gloomy gazelle]

This is wild

[lone hull]

No notice for server maintenance?… gonna get a lot of hcim mad jagex!

[lament peak]

save us ash

[weary oar]

in god ash we trust

[rugged meadow]

seems to be online again.

[devout lake]

I was doing Tithe farm and had a lot of fruit. Since i dc'ed do i lose all those fruit lol because that would suck

[summer apex]

yes

i cant get back in yet though

[lone hull]

Gl to all hcim i hope none of you died❤️

[summer apex]

prepare for that rollback

[lone hull]

Prayers for all hcim that were mid fight

[drowsy mist]

my hc friend was in the middle of a cg lmaoooo

[summer apex]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-back-bricky-lets-go-back-reverse-going-back-in-time-gif-20250931

[remote kindle]

siiiiit

[lone hull]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-noah-puckerman-a-whole-freaking-year-all-that-hard-work-for-nothing-all-that-for-nothing-gif-26113778

[analog crow]

I hope the wow streamers are safe

[summer apex]

https://tenor.com/view/osrs-rs-os-old-school-old-school-runescape-gif-17744120802318182082

[remote kindle]

i never got dced, been in the same gotr game for 30 mins lol

[safe tulip]

i never DC'd either but got really bad lag

[lone hull]

Giving me falador massacre flashbacks……

[jagged marsh]

oh shit all worlds down?

[drowsy mist]

games back

[remote kindle]

anything but that

[drowsy mist]

i'm in

[lethal plinth]

I finally finished my angler set, please no rollbacks

[lone hull]

Servers are up

[vague gorge]

Ty looks like when I swapped worlds it helped me logged back in

[potent dune]

rollback comfirmed.

[lone hull]

God ash saved us

[austere escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/work-gif-5733220130417775560

[molten imp]

im able to login but literally any of the gpu plugins just brick runelite

[weary oar]

twitter put out a reply, i cant link it here though.

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1957535162503237636

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

We're investigating recent world issues that arose in the last 30 minutes.

Whilst our investigations are still ongoing, we believe we are being targeted by direct network attacks, leading to connectivity issues impacting some worlds.

Thank you for your patience as we work to

X · Aug 18, 2025, 8:08 PM

[remote kindle]

maxed out my gotr points since all the bots vanished

[tame elm]

noooo its down again sadge

[lethal plinth]

alright w342 is starting to die too 😂

[summer apex]

back down again

[quiet plank]

Bro what is this

[vague gorge]

Nvm that did nothing

Im disconnecting again lmao

[quiet plank]

Why don't they just keep them down

[weary oar]

confirmed they are being DDoS'ed, be careful yall

[sonic saffron]

yea i guess its time for a break

rip

[sacred aspen]

HELLOOOOOO can we get an explanation as to why ive been kicked out of the game 3 times in the last 30 minutes!!!!

[true talon]

They stole the wow players and no the hater base who ddos the servers came with them

[weary oar]

ow2 time boys

[safe tulip]

welp, time to log off the HCIM

[weary oar]

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1957535162503237636

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

We're investigating recent world issues that arose in the last 30 minutes.

Whilst our investigations are still ongoing, we believe we are being targeted by direct network attacks, leading to connectivity issues impacting some worlds.

Thank you for your patience as we work to

X · Aug 18, 2025, 8:08 PM

[austere escarp]

why would someone ddos osrs, are they fucking stupid?

[sacred aspen]

like wtf why is membership going up when this is what we get?

[olive mirage]

welp time to take a break before the roll servers back

[safe tulip]

as if this is a common issue? lol

[analog crow]

Blizzard getting desperate

[sonic saffron]

pirate software got mad

dad works at blizzard btw

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Because it’s becoming popular enough to and there are hcim on here to kill.

Also osrs has been ddos many times

Even during official tournaments

[mild saddle]

why would someone ddos now though?

it's like low time for everyone

[analog crow]

Usually in order to kill odablock hcim

[hard axle]

probably some hc doing something risky

[lethal plinth]

Blizzard DDoS-ing gagek servers to win back their people

[keen notch]

where did they say that theyre increasing it a 2nd time???

[austere escarp]

Imma find them ddosers and dclaw spec them irl

[lone hull]

Crashed again!?!

…

[silver hatch]

Servers are dying

[sonic saffron]

chad 👍 bossman giver

virgin 👎 spammer

[flat mortar]

rip

[lone hull]

Frfr

[olive mirage]

pirates streaming a iron man we're cooked

[vivid fog]

rip to all the hcim

[lament peak]

we're getting ddosed because asmonmold and pirate software are playing

[idle thorn]

They hit the second server room nooooo

[lone hull]

Candles out to all HCIM mid fight

https://tenor.com/view/candles-burning-spooky-halloween-costumes2022-gif-26974834

[tacit wharf]

the weird ones always come out when they cant log in

[remote kindle]

Im online

[analog crow]

If we get a rollback can I get a roll forward so I don’t have to grind agility for 1k hours?

[sonic saffron]

i love how we all collectively blame pirate software

[hard axle]

he joins for 1 day and we start getting ddosed

[lament peak]

people hate that man beyond comprehension

[tame elm]

wait we talking about pirate software? CLEARLY hes at fault lolol.

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[lone hull]

You better not take my 3k runite ores i spent weeks mining

[acoustic dune]

Ban PirateSoftware

[slender yacht]

pirate software, just before the sailing update comes out? it just makes too much sense

[lament peak]

I hope Jagex sues the shit out of the person responsible

[topaz girder]

Is he brigading rs or something?

[indigo tinsel]

Hello

[lament gazelle]

i blame chunkmen in general

[austere escarp]

lets ddos pirates stream

[lament gazelle]

now let me login my chunkman

[analog crow]

Hi! 👋😁

[hard axle]

no no, they are the best irons

[slender yacht]

i lost 4 box traps, fuck that guy he owes me big

[hard axle]

they keep to themselves

and dont ask for dumb shit

[remote kindle]

wont even sue bot companys lmao. you regard for them is to high

[earnest vigil]

I’ll remember this when you beg me for ca carries

[lament peak]

botting isn't against the law lol

[acoustic dune]

I need to grind gagek

[hard axle]

u are a chunk locked ironman

u are glilenor locked

[buoyant sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-spinning-waiting-bored-chair-gif-14909818854151253031

[obsidian finch]

i just prepotted and got force logged 🙁

[hard axle]

[buoyant sandal]

fk sake what should i do

[earnest vigil]

Locked to cox atm

[sonic saffron]

lmao

[austere escarp]

Pirate is actually getting flamed on stream now for server downtime XD

[slender yacht]

my membership should be extended by 30 minutes

[timid goblet]

Fuckign lost my fruit batta delivery

[earnest vigil]

2060 cm no dust

[hard axle]

yeah yeah, cox locked uim because I shackled ur pin

[stuck mauve]

why is it so blurry

[sonic saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[hard axle]

here's the non-blurry one

[stuck mauve]

😂 no way you had it ready

[lament peak]

gamergate losers will do anything to fuck with piratesoftware huh lmao

[warm inlet]

i took work off today and this happens 🙁 hopefully servers back soon 😄

[safe tulip]

They just hit the second tower

[sonic saffron]

damn tonight was the last day of my holiday before i get back to work again

[lone hull]

Its hilarious and sad ngl hes just sitting there like wtfffff loool

[sonic saffron]

goddamn pirate software

[hard axle]

Joke aside, I don't think people ddos'd osrs just to fuck with piratesoftware

[sonic saffron]

yea nah, but look, its funny to blame him

[somber marsh]

Ok who’s pissed and has the worst take here

[hard axle]

people just don't like him since he came out as a corporate developer shill despite being "for-the-people" developer

[lone hull]

Its playstation network all over again

[sonic saffron]

were back up?

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/rare-reeeeee-dank-meme-triggered-gif-24062717

[glass temple]

Guys my HCIM is in Giants Foundry... I'm scared Korvac is making her smith more than swords during this downtime... Giant Chastity Gear.... 😳

[somber marsh]

Tfw the forestry grind gets ddosed

[remote kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[glass temple]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[vivid ruin]

Is pirate playing rs?

[floral python]

sadly

[analog crow]

Noooo I want to click tree noooow

[sonic saffron]

currently on stream

[lament gazelle]

it's those Dry Land folks protesting Sailing

[left ridge]

w2 is working but barely

[vivid ruin]

Interesting

[remote kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-runescape-gdb-osrs-green-dragon-bot-gif-24522937

[sonic saffron]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware

ew

[glass temple]

My giants foundry craft is full red........ 🙁

[sonic saffron]

its still slow

[analog crow]

Luckily mlm isn’t going anywhere…

[somber marsh]

Multilevel marketing

[hard axle]

disconnecting again