seems like ur back now with the iron tag
?
#ironman
sage igloo
astral shuttle
if gp value and fun are most important to you
blast still best raw xp
and you'll prob want to smelt bars there FOR foundry
astral shuttle
most of mine's been motherlode
safe grotto
mlm for relaxed ore gathering, plus you want both coal and gem bag there, and the prospector helm for hard diary
astral shuttle
powermining iron in guild if needed
urban surge
The best channel clan
safe grotto
you profit from it anyways
golden ruin
oh ya i forgot about that lmao
safe grotto
ye that's why gf is good, it's complete profit for every tier besides rune
golden ruin
even if im buying platebodies for 5k each?
safe grotto
probably more like break even in some cases but at least not losing gp
paper bridge
Yes, even if you buy platebodies
golden ruin
ok bet good to know
unreal stag
seems like ur back now with the iron tag<:PauseChamp:878246427640344606> ?
nah i just wanna peek into this chat
from time to time
foggy beacon
Darklight or Dragon Scimmy for Greater Demons?
modest tartan
the way i did it was i smelted all my ores from mlm into bars
had a lot of mith and addy bars that i used at gf
indigo oriole
played a bit of normie last night and today. good times, but now i need to greenlog moons on the REAL account
short urchin
so i only just realized smthn....
that the stramer is called "BrettDog" not "Bread Dog"
indigo oriole
wait until you learn its called Lumbridge and not Cu...
short urchin
cambridge?
urban surge
trim dagger
Terrraia updated it's sales figures, 70 million sold
short urchin
also try minecraft
indigo oriole
didnt know they sold figures 😏
trim dagger
didnt know they sold figures 😏
short urchin
like osrs merch / toys wouldve made more money than membership when the playerbase was younger. (probably)
if they pushed that market
indigo oriole
lowkey id buy some osrs merch but poor irl
short urchin
getting your product into Toy Stores is the goal hah
trim dagger
Get your Gnome Child Plushie! "It stares into the void while you sleep!"
indigo oriole
it stares into the void .... until you sleep
then it stares at you
unmoving, unblinking.
small fossil
jfc, the fairy ring meme on Sunset Island is still ongoing
indigo oriole
indigo oriole
jfc, the fairy ring meme on Sunset Island is still ongoing
whats the fairy ring meme
small fossil
whats the fairy ring meme
Sunset isle is this popular woodcutting... many ironwoods super close to bank, and they're good xp and very AFK
On forestry worlds there's like 100+ people chopping them. So of course a lot of banter.
Getting to the island is annoying, you have to sail from Deepfin. Bored people started convincing otheres that there's a fairy ring you can build in the cave on this island, and every time it's mentioned a bunch of people run into the cave
the meme is going on since Sailing release and it's still going strong
safe grotto
lmao I love that
indigo oriole
the meme is going on since Sailing release and it's still going strong
yeee i remember that, back then it was just "better trees in the cave"
small fossil
stuff like that is so fun because sailing is relatively new and updates are coming out all the time so it's sort of believable
misty raven
the meme is going on since Sailing release and it's still going strong
Its great
small fossil
There's a lot of desperate cloggers waiting for pheasant, dryad and fox events and watching the rants is hilarious
Also one guy keeps spamming that we should leave the poachers alone, they're actually the good guys and the foxes have rabies
hidden zodiac
Weak Blessing of Moon Gear! Hiyaaah! ✨
indigo oriole
😦
lavish fjord
rip
hidden zodiac
thanks boss ✨
indigo oriole
just did the blue moon brazier special perfectly synchronous with someone else
@hidden zodiac i demand another blessing
hidden zodiac
Brr... ding ding ding ding.... ✨ .... Medium Blessing of the Moon!! 🌛
lavish fjord
Ya blessed matey!
indigo oriole
!!!
hidden zodiac
YOOOOO!!
indigo oriole
thats #2 DONE!!
hidden zodiac
😆 Let's gooo
indigo oriole
sterile holly
!!!
lol thats the only piece i dont have from there
really should go get it at some point lol
lavish fjord
easy blessing
indigo oriole
really should go get it at some point lol
it'll be a master step!
and i think its somewhat equivalent to ahrim in power? dont remember exactly
sterile holly
Yeah its got the 1% boost on it as well
lavish fjord
I need a blessing at tormented demons
indigo oriole
bless 💫
🔨
sterile holly
man it is so frustrating when your ring of recoil shatters then you take like 6 10's real quick at zulrah
safe grotto
thats #2 DONE!!
easiest one last, it's right next to chest room and there's a supply spot next to it
lavish fjord
no suffering yet?
sterile holly
Not yet. havent had a black demon task in a while
gotta finish off my blue dragon and greater demon task
cant muster myself to get to k'ril without lightbearer lol
super tired of having to kill 40 imps to get 1 kill
indigo oriole
easiest one last, it's right next to chest room and there's a supply spot next t...
its also my least favorite one
ashen folio
door altar kril isn't that bad, plus with scobo you can alternate spec kills & door altar kills
scobo spec also makes learning door altar more forgiving
steep musk
Guys is Inquisitor worth going for to use as melee bandos?
delicate notch
😭 no
mint chasm
I wanna upgrade from blood moon so badly
ye feels like youre in monks robes
indigo oriole
i think meta for bandos is some door altar bowfa stuff?
from the sound of it id (personally) not even bother without bowfa
steep musk
i think meta for bandos is some door altar bowfa stuff?
You know how i feel about cg
indigo oriole
i dont, but i think i can make a pretty good guess now
idk how that method works exactly, maybe even crystal bow can do it 
crimson thunder
You know how i feel about cg
git gud
steep musk
ye feels like youre in monks robes
Don't get me wrong, blood moon is useful in many places, good even, but i wanna make upgrades since i'm 90's in melee
crimson thunder
Rcb method kinda sucks
indigo oriole
oh thats a thing?
steep musk
guess youre kinda SOL without it
SOL?
indigo oriole
today i learned
indigo oriole
SOL?
shit out of luck
screwed
in the bin
cancelled on every social media platform
steep musk
Better than doing shitg
indigo oriole
out of curiosity, why do you dislike cg so much?
crimson thunder
Cant you bandos skip nowadays
next jacinth
Tai Bow Wannai Trio is a gamble as an ironman no ?
drowsy pond
Tai Bow Wannai Trio is a gamble as an ironman no ?
burning the karambwan? ye
indigo oriole
Tai Bow Wannai Trio is a gamble as an ironman no ?
gamble or get fish 65
junior lava
Tai Bow Wannai Trio is a gamble as an ironman no ?
its never gamble for me I always lose
🤣
next jacinth
Welp, gamble time, and I guess Temporos if I fail
junior lava
and so I did and had to get the fishing lvl
indigo oriole
good luck
indigo oriole
hosidius range has a slightly better chance iirc if you have access
or maybe lumbridge range
junior lava
lumbridge range helps with pastries irc
hosidius is all
tho the pastries boost is insane in lumby
indigo oriole
lumbridge range helps with pastries irc
a good bit more, but seemingly no bwana boost
junior lava
I just know its amazing for pies
indigo oriole
yeee 89 -> 60 is massive
steep musk
out of curiosity, why do you dislike cg so much?
I don't even know where to begin, the prep is awful, you have to sit through prep only ton die and repeat prep all over again, i'd understand if you could do prep in regular gauntlet and to teach you the mechanics and help you learn the boss but for cg it's a slog, then there's that fucking mutt itself, the boss in the corrupted phase is so bullshit, you take chip damage even when praying assuming you don't go for t2 armor, the tornados are bullshit cause they're way more fucking annoying to dodge, and he doesn't start with 1, the fucker immediately goes for 2 at the start, God fucking forbit the wrong tiles spawn and you have to run through them or you have to run under cuntllef
Edit: The prep is bullshit cause it's also rng and sometimes you can't find enough time to look for fish spawns or something else is missing, rng can royally screw you even in the prep phase
indigo oriole
cuntleff
warped temple
This sounds like a positioning issue idk
junior lava
tbh I suggest running T2 always when learning, and tbh, brain off hunleff always T2
T1 is just eating fish simulator
I do love the nickname
indigo oriole
i understand the frustration and also not wanting to do it. its quite a difficulty spike compared to anything that comes before and people tend to talk about it like its easy. at first, its really fucking hard. doesnt get easy until quite a while in
warped temple
It's not easy
indigo oriole
i remember running out of time soooo often and resetting in frustration
warped temple
It's content that I consider teaches fundamentals
fluid flax
My real against the grain opinion is, they should just remove the timer. If you want to T3 everytime, and take 15 minute, so be it. Anyone that doesn’t want to can double your kills per hour let them 
warped temple
But to an extreme
steep musk
I used leagues to learn hunleff
You mean cuntleff
indigo oriole
My real against the grain opinion is, they should just remove the timer. If you ...
lowkey agree. i hate timers (even though nowadays i tend to have a minute or so left over - im not super efficient with my prep)
junior lava
I dont regret, my hatred fueled my maingame CG kc
I think the timer is because the roguelite aspect
indigo oriole
lots of small things you can do to save time though, like opening side doors on the way and trying to avoid backtracking as much as possible
steep musk
I can't do/stand t2 prep in cg
junior lava
I wish the roguelite aspect was way more fun
steep musk
And i fucking refuse to larn that utter fucking dogshit content
junior lava
why it's kinda chill, I made it eventually that I couldnt really fail the T2 prep anymore
steep musk
I'd rather hang by a fucking noose
fluid flax
lots of small things you can do to save time though, like opening side doors on ...
There absolutely is, to me it’s just a non essential skill to even try to make intuitive. Not going to do that anywhere else in the game, probably for the rest of time
junior lava
someone here posted really good scouting guide
and it helped the 1/20 fail rate on prep
to like 1/200
delicate notch
And i fucking refuse to larn that utter fucking dogshit content
i mean u dont need a bowfa, but u need like atleast a bowfa or a eye if u want to do like any sort of decent dps pre megas
indigo oriole
There absolutely is, to me it’s just a non essential skill to even try to make i...
id argue its essential in like an insular way. if youre gonna be sitting in there for a while, totally worth learning it. but yeah not really needed elsewhere
delicate notch
for most general grinds
junior lava
but I also understand the burning hatred for CG
steep musk
i mean u dont need a bowfa, but u need like atleast a bowfa or a eye if u want t...
Still learning doom, it's fun for the most part
junior lava
I really really hate demonic monkeys, but I was able to kinda swallow the hard pill and get through it
fluid flax
Hunnlef fight itself is super fun, one of my favorite echo fights too.
steep musk
I really really hate demonic monkeys, but I was able to kinda swallow the hard p...
You're comparing apples to oranges
junior lava
naw, I just comparing hate to hate
indigo oriole
idk why everyone hates demonics 😭 it felt so goooooood when i finally learned to beat them easily
junior lava
they are boring AF
junior lava
I cant do more than 100 kc a day thats how tiring they are
crimson thunder
My real against the grain opinion is, they should just remove the timer. If you ...
Brother t1 is easy once you learn the fight
😭
indigo oriole
id love tds if they didnt randomly decide to go in for a hug and a quick kiss on the cheek of their mates while im killing another one
steep musk
idk why everyone hates demonics 😭 it felt so goooooood when i finally learned t...
They switch too fast imo, hit hard and are annoying to kill in general
warped temple
id love tds if they didnt randomly decide to go in for a hug and a quick kiss on...
Can't you always just find a solo demon room
junior lava
you can nowdays
indigo oriole
yeah but respawn timer makes it more annoying than having to right click attack
junior lava
its not super swamped
indigo oriole
at least last time ive been there
which tbf ive never killed em on iron, only on normie. possible i would prefer solo rooms on iron
warped temple
I just find demonic gorillas tedious because of how often they swap their HP
fluid flax
Brother t1 is easy once you learn the fight
I didn’t say anything about the fight or its difficulty in what I said lol
crimson thunder
I didn’t say anything about the fight or its difficulty in what I said lol
Then why are you doing t3
indigo oriole
it feels so good when you get the timing down when they swap to not miss an attack tick
crimson thunder
Unless youre hcim
warped temple
I mean it feels fine, I just wish I didn't have to swap as much
indigo oriole
and doing your switches properly and stuff, i find them great to learn gear swapping
junior lava
I just find demonic gorillas tedious because of how often they swap their HP
Amen
it used to be way worse sure, but still too often
you swap gear more than actually do combat
🤣
sudden herald
id rather see some TD's then DG's
indigo oriole
that is true lol
steep musk
Tbh i'm still learning and using t1 prep
junior lava
T1 is way too punishing for learning
steep musk
It's fast and more "efficient"
junior lava
- the piss off factor is multiplied
indigo oriole
i learned with t1
indigo oriole
i wanted to just get my prep as consistent as possible, annoyed me to spend time in there and not finish, so i just learned t1 and then focused on killing boss
junior lava
I dont enjoy taking dmg every hit for 14 and just eating away my sorrows while doing no dmg
eating fish can only get so fun
indigo oriole
the chip damage can get really stupid yeah
junior lava
and T2 is chill, you just need to actually scout fine and know what to do and get
indigo oriole
even eating fish was fun, i do the thing thats apparently NOT recommended which is eat during tornados (or if i really have to. and even tick eat)
so that was nice to learn and pull off
junior lava
sometimes you go in with 30 sec remaining, sometimees with 2 minutes remaining
you only need to grab like 12 fish at max
ez game
indigo oriole
i always go in with a full inventory of fish and 3 potions
junior lava
yeah thats the T1 curse
indigo oriole
the extra fish are great to counter the chip damage
fluid steeple
even eating fish was fun, i do the thing thats apparently NOT recommended which ...
why is that not recommended to do?
junior lava
T2 is doable with 8 fish just no mistakes
versed ledge
you only need to grab like 12 fish at max
This is also with t1
indigo oriole
why is that not recommended to do?
people tend to die more doing that, the recommended way is to just eat when you need to
junior lava
yeah if you are RNG god sure
indigo oriole
people get overwhelmed being low hp + dodging tornados + floor
versed ledge
I mean no mistakes high stats 12 is very consistent
junior lava
you need to account for shit rng
I made no mistake T1 one run and needed 20 fish
so I dont really agree with the 12 fish is ok
indigo oriole
I mean no mistakes high stats 12 is very consistent
personally i grab a few more anyway. good chance theres pleeeeenty of time left at the end, might as well just to remove chip damage rng as a factor
unless youre immune to tilt from the odd death where you couldve used more and just send more
indigo oriole
ye i mean dying with 12 fish and no mistakes because of bad rng. that stuff would tilt me to the point where im just done for the day
so ironically its more "time efficient" for me to spend a little extra time each run
versed ledge
CG is actually one of the few places I cared least about death idk it did not really faze me
junior lava
dang you dodged the bullet gz
next jacinth
65 was not needed at the end tho
I forgot for a second that I was a bronzeman and not an ironman
junior lava
next jacinth
And that getting the Raw one from the quest would unlock it in the GE
steep musk
I use 2 potions, i find it more than enough
junior lava
I found out that was the problem of most ppl 
steep musk
Make 3 potions and decant them to 2-4 doses
versed ledge
Make 3 potions and decant them to 2-4 doses
Yep and sip last dose to top off
next jacinth
https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941
astral halo
i jsut saw the update a hour ago, what do you all think about the now reverted rubium change?
next jacinth
Anyway
indigo oriole
man i hear the jingle in that gif
never played MH much but thats something i remember
think i had Tri on the Wii
killed first big guy then just kinda stopped playing, no reason in particular. just found other stuff to play ig
astral halo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/731352234511695943/1154635460908429312/...
man worlds was fun af
i sadly played it like 5 years after it released so lots of solo stuff
i do feel like mh is most enjoyed if you play like every 5th game they release because then the game signifikantly changed enough
next jacinth
Eeeh, I do like played each opus
Wilds was a bit weak gameplay wise tho, felt like there are way to much way to stagger/stun monsters
astral halo
this may be a hottake but rise felt way to similiar to world to me
next jacinth
I think my favorite one most likely stay 4 or Gen
next jacinth
this may be a hottake but rise felt way to similiar to world to me
Way more Arcade imo
astral halo
i never played the old games though, may try them
cloud marlin
i jsut saw the update a hour ago, what do you all think about the now reverted r...
Seems fine. The community is worked up about xp rates and such when the activity was intended to be a gp source so some xp nerfs are warranted to help keep the price up
rubium seems awful for irons no matter the method anyway
astral halo
oh interesting, i dont care about the exp at allXD
if i want to lvl mining i would jsut do the existing options, i only cared about the splinters themself
junior lava
I though I would do it after the change because the acquisition rate was boosted
astral halo
rubium seems awful for irons no matter the method anyway
we could have gotten 3, now 2 max
drowsy plaza
90 -> 91 crafting done, 2 to go. Mobile is a lifesaver, glassblowing on work flights
sterile holly
90 -> 91 crafting done, 2 to go. Mobile is a lifesaver, glassblowing on work fli...
what do you do if a hot mamacita sits next to you/
versed ledge
oh interesting, i dont care about the exp at allXD
if i want to lvl mining i wo...
Well they're making the splinters a lot more if you have mining trained
astral halo
Well they're making the splinters a lot more if you have mining trained
the proposed change was 3 at 96
per lvl it goes up from 1 -> 3
they reverted that and now the max is 2
drowsy plaza
what do you do if a hot mamacita sits next to you/
Ask her for her total level
versed ledge
the proposed change was 3 at 96
per lvl it goes up from 1 -> 3
they reverted th...
I see, weird that they would have zero communication about such a change :/
astral halo
its int he blog i think
not sure how they wrote that down
versed ledge
Yeah there's just a short update section that was never announced anywhere
astral halo
The number of guaranteed Rubium Splinters you receive based on your Mining level will now cap at 2, instead of 3:
versed ledge
Yeah but like they didn't even make a #game-news post saying "hey we updated this" or anything at all
astral halo
oh ok yeahXD
they wrote a ton of stuff btw
versed ledge
I mean I don't care about the smithing xp so I did ignore that part
indigo oriole
if they fix it quick and stealthily enough, maybe no one will notice theyre struggling with basic math these days
chrome vector
Yeah but like they didn't even make a <#615203531028168704> post saying "hey we ...
a side effect of knee-jerk reacting content patches
versed ledge
All I'm saying is that if I weren't in this chat right now I would have zero idea that they significantly changed something they said they're literally adjusting tomorrow
indigo oriole
man they really cant stop catching Ls lately
versed ledge
Which is fine
chrome vector
i only saw the post on the jagex launcher home page
indigo oriole
Ah yes the launcher I open once a week
that ones not really jagex' fault
versed ledge
Nothing about this suggests it was even revised again other than the date though
versed ledge
that ones not really jagex' fault
How so, I don't have a reason to open the launcher except when they force me to relaunch
I'm in this Discord, and they literally have a dedicated #game-news channel
indigo oriole
i think the average user shuts off their pc when theyre done using it (i dont either fwiw)
indigo oriole
i should probably sleep it too lol
astral halo
yeah we normally get a ping whena blog gets updated
malice or someone forgot
who knows:D
indigo oriole
i did notice the launcher will get changes later than the website too
its excusable but at the same time, if you have multiple outlets for your news... synchronize them imo
versed ledge
Don't even get me started
reddit posts or tweets being the only source of official information is especially egregious
It happens so so much
indigo oriole
i think in the olden days it was handled best
if you wanted to see news, you had to check the website
thats it that was all there was to find
as for the launcher it should be updated at the same time as the website
and maybe a little flashing thingie that disappears when you mouse over the post or something
but so you see at a glance theres something new
versed ledge
Or yknow
This is actually kinda completely separate
But what if they game-broadcasted news blogs too
That wouldn't help me in this case though
Haven't been on in 10 days
indigo oriole
you on strike?
sterile holly
1/1600 dragonstone drop at zulrah 🙁
chrome vector
they should mail me a paper copy of blog posts and update notes to my billing address
thoughts
indigo oriole
bring back mail-in subscriptions
actually i have a better idea
send a jmod to my door with news every week
"do you have a minute to talk about osrs"
versed ledge
I kinda mentioned it a day or two ago but I just don't really want to do anything right now with upcoming sailing rate changes, summer sweep, etc.
Also related is that I completely coincidentally haven
't played since I stopped leagues
indigo oriole
unhappy with the direction or scared of bugs?
versed ledge
Definitely fully unrelated
I mean there's not really a reason to turael skip for heart/sheets rn if they're massively buffing sailing drop rates and might make summer sweep changes related to imbued heart
chrome vector
send a jmod to my door with news every week
have them walk around cambridge with a bell like a town crier
versed ledge
There's not really any content for the last 8 months and I don't really care about camping raids rn
indigo oriole
have them walk around cambridge with a bell like a town crier
done well that could actually be a good publicity stunt lol
versed ledge
Overally just not really anything I care about doing atm and the things I could remotely be mildly interested in might or are confirmed to get changes so not really trying to do
indigo oriole
im part jealous part glad that im in a position where it feels like i will never run out of content
years like this gotta suck if you essentially "completed" the game
versed ledge
I still have a lot I could do
Significant upgrades like heart, finishing masori, ancestral/claws/buckler, scythe, finishing torva, confliction gauntlets
chrome vector
golden age 100% died with varlamore pt3 im afraid
versed ledge
Smaller stuff like oathplate helm (I have chest/legs and torva helm/body), inq/pnm, nox hally
versed ledge
golden age 100% died with varlamore pt3 im afraid
Eh p2 was pretty meh
chrome vector
i agree but i was also the target audience for pt2 being an early game iron at the time
indigo oriole
agreed that golden age has passed
versed ledge
I played on my GIM and snowflake for p1 and p2 and they were pretty lackluster on there too
indigo oriole
this year's been a shit show so far
versed ledge
It's been a nothing so far
indigo oriole
part of me thinks 2025 got to their heads a bit
its probably not true
probably a bunch of reasons why this year has been the way that it is
versed ledge
Part of it is a very very strong parallel to ToA release where they did b2b temp gamemodes because they had a lack of stuff to release leading up to raid
And then said "yeah b2b temp gamemodes was a bad idea, we shouldn't do that again" and then now did it again
But like at this point I will be surprised if we get raids 4 in 2026, and if we do, I suspect it will be undercooked
safe grotto
what I think is that the devs are frustrated with how the playerbase feels about sailing after spending a few years on it, so they wanted to work on something more fun like dmm and leagues back to back to refresh themselves
obv the big downside was them just completely neglecting the main game
chrome vector
nah they probably ran a shit ton of temp modes because its good for optics and tricking investors into thinking the game is making way more money than it is
safe grotto
that's always a possibility
chrome vector
it is an unfortunate reality of the world of private equity
name of the game is always trying to warp the truth to make shareholders happy
indigo oriole
dry calc laughing at me damn :(
safe grotto
idk what the general reception of sailing is, I remember they did a poll that asked how we felt about sailing
indigo oriole
its not even that dry 😭
chrome vector
sailing was an insane technical feat that i can appreciate, but the fact of the matter is that until it is more integrated and more content is released, it is fundamentally flawed
safe grotto
yeah that's how I feel too
chrome vector
we will look back in 4 years and go "wow sailing is so much better now" provided they dont dig their heels down every step of the way and refuse to release good competitive content for xp and loot
safe grotto
I'm glad they went for sailing, but it's just not in that great of a spot rn
indigo oriole
hes studying for the job while at work
if nothing else, i love sailing for the world expansion
safe grotto
yeah I hope they keep improving sailing, and obv they will keep trying
combat is kinda fucked though
they even put the pirate encounters on hold
versed ledge
Honestly the biggest issues are that there are significant things that were called out even since alpha that they just completely untouched before releasing them wholesale
indigo oriole
ya theyre gonna release a new "sailing tweaks & fixes" blog next week, release a method that accidentally gives 250k xp/hr but is complete ass to do and then nerf it to give token xp
versed ledge
Several significant design/philosophy failures
safe grotto
yeah that part is inexcusable
indigo oriole
Several significant design/philosophy failures
they should honestly just delete sailing combat. the skill didnt need it
versed ledge
Like Rubium was literally exactly the xp rates and mechanics it released with when they beta-ed it, and people called it out back then, too
safe grotto
what's the point of an alpha if you don't listen to the testers
versed ledge
But it took 6 months after Sailing to release something that was completely unchanged from a beta months and months before
And then they pretend like the feedback is new
safe grotto
it's basically just them trying to generate hype, which also isn't out of possibility
celest harbor
i heard "new smithing method" i got excited - then saw the blog
indigo oriole
cant have a new method thats better/equivalent to a 20 year old jank ass crap method
because no one back then thought about it and now its impossible to balance
versed ledge
The issue isn't having a new method
It's about having a method that is competitive with current metas without being polled and presented that way, on accident
indigo oriole
(i say this as someone who enjoys tick manipulation btw)
versed ledge
The issue is about having something that fails all the marks Jagex called out when discussing Leechfin fishing
It's competitive with meta XP, for less effort than meta XP, and gives a useful resource reward at the same time
And again, was not polled to be content that did that
indigo oriole
i think its fine for "meta" to evolve over time and not be the same stale old things for ever and ever
versed ledge
Yes, but not by accident and not while being unbalanced in the tenets that Jagex themselves have defined for activity balancing
astral halo
i think i am missing what stuff should be polled and what not
indigo oriole
back then everything
versed ledge
Jagex has tried to eliminate that distinction as much as possible
indigo oriole
now whenever they feel like it, they will poll it
versed ledge
And has continually polled things in as vague terms as possible that will let it pass
indigo oriole
which is still most of the time tbf
indigo oriole
Yes, but not by accident and not while being unbalanced in the tenets that Jagex...
hmm yeah, i agree
versed ledge
They frequently package tons of things together in ways that you don't really get to control what actually happens because you're voting for a huge package of stuff
versed ledge
There's no "I like this but I really hate x"
celest harbor
They frequently package tons of things together in ways that you don't really ge...
i think the term is logrolling?
versed ledge
There's very limited feedback
safe grotto
we should be able to poll for quest rewards for sure
indigo oriole
i think theres too many people nowadays as well who just blind vote yes to everything (except pvp)
safe grotto
but like why ask "should we add this quest?" when the answer is always yes
indigo oriole
"oh this will give me more xp? yes. who cares about the implications"
chrome vector
the average player is inclined to vote yes to any content that gives them something to do or makes things easier
indigo oriole
goading pots is the first time i actively noticed that
chrome vector
i think player agency is a bad thing for deciding the health of the game
indigo oriole
on one hand, i agree
on the other hand, full jagex agency (which technically they could just grab at any point) i dont see going down well
look at some of the crap theyre trying to push
chrome vector
most player votes will be inherently selfish and on a micro scale, not caring for the greater scale for the game because they either a) dont care or b) cant comprehend what they are voting in actually does to the rest of the game
versed ledge
And people don't read blogs
We prove that over and over and over again
The majority of people don't read
indigo oriole
most player votes will be inherently selfish and on a micro scale, not caring fo...
reddit has a lot of category b people
safe grotto
most people will just want to go to rs3 effort to xp rates ratio for skilling, yeah
indigo oriole
i dont think im special for skipping on voting on content i dont fully comprehend or never interacted with
but i wish more people would do that
chrome vector
taking feedback from reddit should just be a no no
whiny contrarian echo chamber
demonstrated provably by so many incidents outside the scope of 2007scape
indigo oriole
feels like the average user is like 1200-1500 total but talks as if theyre zuk helmets
safe grotto
yeah I mean reddit is notorious for specifically just being an echo chamber lol
sudden herald
not like on discord, no one ever complains for no reason
safe grotto
any social app can be one, but it's easier to see discussions on discord with forums imo
celest harbor
not like on discord, no one ever complains for no reason
we are refined gentlefolk
indigo oriole
its ok to not know about something or to be bad at the game, just bothers me when those same people pretend to know more than they do
safe grotto
since even if things get downvoted here, it won't be brought to the bottom and sometimes outright hidden like it does on reddit
indigo oriole
especially when you have experience with that particular content yourself
celest harbor
only take feedback from people who have shat themselves for this game
chrome vector
rank 2 smithing-scape
indigo oriole
nah you dont have to go to such extremes
sudden herald
yeah we only talk about the finer things here
such as [[Nnnhhhggg. im a thirsty little flower. you have to water me you have to use your pee]]
feral dirgeBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hespori
indigo oriole
but if you want to vote for example on raids 4 details you should probably have done a few raids
safe grotto
love the freak on the wiki who added that redirect
indigo oriole
or if theyre polling to change drop rates or mechanics on existing content, it would probably good if you have some base line experience with the content in question
chrome vector
but if you want to vote for example on raids 4 details you should probably have ...
having raids kc doesnt mean you understand the scope of the rewards and how bad they could be for integrity though, to argue that point
indigo oriole
this is true, but on average that group of people will have a better idea than someone who just killed their first couple scurrius
safe grotto
well it does guarantee filter out people who literally never ran the content in the first place, though
chrome vector
i think if we had tools like gearscape and the wiki dps calculator (in stead of spreadsheet hell) back when raids 3 rewards were being polled people would have cried so much about the fang being op and BEGGED for it to be reworked
celest harbor
i saw a purple for the first time in weeks today and it wasnt in my name 
sudden herald
the way I see it is obv experience in the game is going to give you a better opinion then someone with very little experience with the game however, high experience in game =/= being a good game designer
chrome vector
definitely agree, but obviously requiring X raids kc just to vote on a poll would cause some uspet (i personally would not care. i have done enough toa/cox to fit the bill - maybe not tob though)
sudden herald
so while it is cool that jagex listens to the community, at the same time they should probs stop listening to the community
indigo oriole
definitely agree, but obviously requiring X raids kc just to vote on a poll woul...
if they had to implement something like that, id personally set the bar very low. maybe even literally just 1 kc
chrome vector
i particularly worry about raid rewards because they have the single highest potential out of any content release to absolutely destroy the delicate house of cards of balance of pvm we already have😭
indigo oriole
so you know they at least have context
safe grotto
idk about 1 kc but 10 is reasonable for raids
chrome vector
we basically have 0 reward space in game without implementing powercreep or bullshit gimmick mechanics now (imo)
safe grotto
that's like 5-8 hours of raiding? not much time at all
cloud marlin
All I'm saying is that if I weren't in this chat right now I would have zero ide...
They posted on both Twitter and reddit that the blog got updated
safe grotto
yeah it's about time for another range spec weapon
celest harbor
versed ledge
They posted on both Twitter and reddit that the blog got updated
Yeah so not anywhere I would ever see
indigo oriole
this is where my expertise ends
chrome vector
They posted on both Twitter and reddit that the blog got updated
once again osrs players prove they cant read anything... why can we trust them with polls111!?!?!
cloud marlin
But i agree that its annoying watching out for editted blogs rather than just a fresh news post
indigo oriole
ive no idea about endgame gear
celest harbor
if only they had a central location they could provide us an update to their newsposts
chrome vector
yeah i would be apprehensive discussing anything endgame, but im thinking something that fills the gap for range, perhaps equivalent to bclaws
safe grotto
the only range specs are zcb, tbp, and tonalztics (at 2 scenarios only)
celest harbor
atlatl
safe grotto
idk if I'd ever count dcb/acb and webweaver
chrome vector
tonalztics used maybe 2 places ever, atlatl pvp only, bp is for sustain, zcb is the only damage spec
celest harbor
Technically actually a melee spec
interesting
safe grotto
idk I never atlatl spec, I got bclaws for that
chrome vector
dragon knives dont count because im an ironman and i dont want to farm them
versed ledge
Technically actually a melee spec
Also useless
indigo oriole
holy shit youre an iron? me too
safe grotto
dknives are mainly a pvp item but they do have a use at doom ig
celest harbor
holy shit youre an iron? me too
iron btw
cloud marlin
We let irons chat here 
safe grotto
disgusting
chrome vector
yeah id really like to see a potential mage or range spec weapon explored (i do not care if it supercedes a volatile staff. buff that too for all i care)
indigo oriole
might actually jump to my normie though. learning yama seems way more appealing rn than continuing to go dry on eclipse moon
chrome vector
and that one hyperniche yama interaction with it LOL
safe grotto
huh
chrome vector
i think volatile spec gets a damage buff when you stand on one of the glyphs(?)
safe grotto
yama is such an interesting boss for all the weird things he has lol
robospear was the coolest but they nerfed it
indigo oriole
killed my first few yamas (on normie) today and i was surprised how relatively simple it was
celest harbor
wasnt robospear killing him in seconds on 3rd phase?
safe grotto
not aware tbh
celest harbor
killed my first few yamas (on normie) today and i was surprised how relatively s...
if you want a duo feel free to ping me, im also looking for more kc
chrome vector
i dont think robospear was killing enrage in seconds, it was just far more optimized than nofly
celest harbor
ayak has made camping mage at yama actually viable for me
chrome vector
oh wait nvm it was the blue moon spear
indigo oriole
im pretty noob there still, i just camp purging staff throughout the whole thing
safe grotto
ye robospear used the blue moon staff spec
indigo oriole
might start learning a bit of melee soon
chrome vector
they hotfixed that shit real quick 😭
celest harbor
thats how i do, he has lpw mage defense and i can usually lpwer to 0 in p1
rotund stag
even if u dont fly enrage melee p1+p2 alot better and no runes
chrome vector
yeah i would definitely mp1/2
safe grotto
had something to do with yama binding himself with a long ass duration, so it did huge damage when you spec with the staff iirc (it does more damage the longer duration the bind is)
indigo oriole
even if u dont fly enrage melee p1+p2 alot better and no runes
well this is on my normie so idc about runes
indigo oriole
but melee seems faster
chrome vector
it is, by a considerable margin
indigo oriole
purging staff likes to hit 1-3s a lot lol
rotund stag
if u have a duo and horn maul/hammer spec its even faster
celest harbor
even if u dont fly enrage melee p1+p2 alot better and no runes
how fast is melee for your kills usually
chrome vector
they should add 9 more demonbane weapons in raids 4 actually thats what i think
rotund stag
i only did duos but like 2:30-3m
safe grotto
we can finally get the demonbane crush weapon niche filled!
celest harbor
ah okay im sitting at 3-330 camping mage
indigo oriole
i do have a gigachad duo who's teaching me the ropes
chrome vector
we do NOT need another crush weapon i beg
safe grotto
still the funniest thing from the doom blogs
indigo oriole
maxed iron with the uhhhh white oathplate
chrome vector
especially if everyones suspicion is true and the raids 4 megarare is a crush 2h melee
safe grotto
they just made up a niche out of thin air 😭
rotund stag
we will need more crush weapons when raids 4 is crush weak 🙂
safe grotto
just buff bludgeon tbh
indigo oriole
hes quite experienced
safe grotto
we have perfectly good crush weapons that are undertuned
rotund stag
yeah jagex just adds more weapons instead of buffing existing ones tho
example: bells folly
indigo oriole
freudian slip
celest harbor
belly floppy
rotund stag
shit
rotund stag
celest harbor
is it just me or zaxe overtuned
rotund stag
pretty strong for what it is
safe grotto
it is
cloud marlin
In pvm terms
celest harbor
cuz i remmber when i upgraded from dscim it was crazyyy diff
rotund stag
?
safe grotto
idk it's quite a lot of mage xp early on
cloud marlin
You just skip it and get hasta
cloud marlin
But this is meta routes ofc
chrome vector
is zaxe even on ladlor's? i swear you just get hasta instead
celest harbor
ah yes let me go get hasta real quick
cloud marlin
I dont believe its on ladlor
chrome vector
ah yes let me go get hasta real quick
the argument is "being efficient" that you have bowfa crystal by the time you need an actual melee weapon
cloud marlin
okay so what do u do moons with
You dont do moons on the meta route
huh? who would do that.
celest harbor
the argument is "being efficient" that you have bowfa crystal by the time you ne...
ah ty
cloud marlin
I think most players will and should get a zaxe but calling it OP is crazy talk
rotund stag
yeah that chart is kinda dumb tho not many players actually follow that route
safe grotto
most people don't, ye
indigo oriole
hooooly
safe grotto
a lot do but I very much doubt that most do
indigo oriole
please dont let me go dry for the final one please please please
cloud marlin
Maybe but the topic is "is it OP" which is pretty hard when the fastest option is to just skip it
paper cliff
If my Arclight is 94% infused with 265 charges left, how many more shards do I need to be able to use a synapse on it?
safe grotto
I mean the fastest option is to skip like half of the content in the early and mid
cloud marlin
Yes
rotund stag
like this makes sense but most people arent gonna go get 83 con before a black mask for example
paper cliff
like this makes sense but most people arent gonna go get 83 con before a black...
I did lol
safe grotto
that's not that good of a reason to dismiss balance completely though
chrome vector
yeah if youve ever played an ironman you know early slayer is dogshit
cloud marlin
What argument do you have that its unbalanced
chrome vector
delay as much as possible until you have qol and good equipment
rotund stag
alot of that is so skippable wtf is mixed hide cape gonna do
cloud marlin
Its a fast item that gives str bonus
chrome vector
probably because its a str breakpoint in ladlor gear chart
feral dirgeBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Mixed_hide_cape
safe grotto
delay as much as possible until you have qol and good equipment
always hate when people recommend slayer as early as possible
rotund stag
i didnt touch slayer til bowfa personally
celest harbor
bowfa craxy powerful
cloud marlin
You're the one skipping content why are you arguing with me lmao
safe grotto
imo I'll always just recommend slayer only up to 48 for moons and get at least atlatl to kill stuff
chrome vector
all early slayer should probably be wildy slayer imo
forget the chart
go get that vw
celest harbor
ye boiii
safe grotto
and even before starting slayer just get nezzy, proselyte, and dscim + ddef
cloud marlin
Here's a take for you all: bowfa is both too easy to get and too hard to get at the same time
celest harbor
working on my vw rn
rotund stag
i forgot u need slayer fo moons
chrome vector
bowfa and cg is easy its just the mental block of doing 30 hours of prep that sucks
never wanted to tear my eyes out more
astral halo
like this makes sense but most people arent gonna go get 83 con before a black...
idk i kinda like it more now especially the first half
chrome vector
never wanted to tear my eyes out more
apart from hydra maybe but i dont need eyes for that
astral halo
like thats mine right now
and i almost followe dit perfectly by accident
cloud marlin
Bowfa has serious issues being so early in iron progression that it invalidates a lot of content. But bowfa also requires skill well above its place in the meta routes
astral halo
i do think berserker ring is way to early
rotund stag
yeah i did cg on this account with 60 prayer 80 range/mage it wasnt easy
cloud marlin
Zerker ring is free if you can get in the room
chrome vector
like thats mine right now
and i almost followe dit perfectly by accident
get your ash sanctifier for fucks sake!!!
cloud marlin
Which x-logging does pretty well
indigo oriole
highlight of my night lol
safe grotto
go sleep
astral halo
get your ash sanctifier for fucks sake!!!
i dont have a xerics talisman e,e
indigo oriole
complain tech is real!?
genuinely 100% is
safe grotto
tomorrow is green log, gotta rest for the real big dopamine hit
indigo oriole
its crazy the amount of times i got something shortly after complaining
so its real.
or i just complain a lot.
its the latter.
i complain tons.
astral halo
get your ash sanctifier for fucks sake!!!
farming mage book right now
then probably ring
indigo oriole
dunno what i'll do after finishing moons
maybe go back to sailing for my plan to make cannon viable
astral halo
but yeah each item can now be annotated on why its on this position
or why it should change position
indigo oriole
and then slayer
rotund stag
https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-scream-corrupted-gauntlet-cg-osrs-gif-12261484826070937345
this is what u do after moons
astral halo
also super hidden option to show items that got removed from the chart
rotund stag
oh cool
chrome vector
literally bottlenecked polishing up my greens because of dogshit component mechanics
indigo oriole
this is what u do after moons
missing construction 70 and not sure i wanna do that atm
its definitely not far off into the future
astral halo
literally bottlenecked polishing up my greens because of dogshit component mecha...
i see what your most hated skill isXD
rotund stag
its really fast compared to other skills atleast
rotund stag
u will make millions at cg!
astral halo
literally bottlenecked polishing up my greens because of dogshit component mecha...
but this is jsut sad
herb sack speeds up herb runs so muchXD cant live without it
fallen hamlet
i prefer this chart
rotund stag
REAL
indigo oriole
ig i would have the gp tbh, i made water bstaves the other day out of like 2k orbs i got from moons
indigo oriole
herb sack is awesome wtf
rotund stag
gem bag and herb sack are useless af and i stand on that
astral halo
also
chrome vector
herb sack is MAYBE permissible now that shaman herbs are unnoted
chrome vector
but before that there was no point
chrome vector
cant you jsut buy one with slayer points?
i turael skip all my slayer bc its more efficient
sorry
rotund stag
idk i skip to many tasks for slayer points
astral halo
herb saves saves easily a minute every herb run
rotund stag
how so
indigo oriole
gem bag and herb sack are useless af and i stand on that
fallen hamlet
and noting them is annoying
rotund stag
i clean and note at leprechaun
safe grotto
rotund stag
but then they are clean
plain maple
herb sack is decent for farming too tbh
safe grotto
there are some pretty big upgrades I'm missing
plain maple
saves a click
fallen hamlet
manual cleaning like a peasant?
rotund stag
theres a reason i have 28m herblore xp on my main iron!
astral halo
but then they are clean
in endgame i would jsut mass clean them with the npc
astral halo
right now i jsut bankstand clean them when i am bored
indigo oriole
they claim to dislike the herb sack, and they were caught LYING about their xp
that should really tell you everything you need to know
rotund stag
LOL
indigo oriole
safe grotto
shameful
astral halo
time for some mahogany homes 😄
its actually quite fun with tp tablets and lunar spellbook contact npc
indigo oriole
aight im off to bed, dont go setting the place on fire while im gone. gn and gl on your grinds everyone
safe grotto
gn
rotund stag
gn
astral halo
same
its 1 am, need to work tomorrow
safe grotto
time for some mahogany homes 😄
its actually quite fun with tp tablets and lunar...
I just need 3 levels for max house tbf, I'm just lazy and distracted with leveling mining for amethyst to farm doom
also gn
astral halo
really need to work on sleep schedule e,e played the stupid bird game from that german channel
chrome vector
i see what your most hated skill isXD
bloodbark is borderline useless for the effort it takes to get it + slayer is 0 time prayer even without wraths
astral halo
bloodbark is borderline useless for the effort it takes to get it + slayer is 0 ...
i kinda agree? i dont know where the uses for bloodbark are
but i dont see the ebenefit in beeing able to craft high lvl runes at all
bloodbark was
tanky mage armor
and blood spells heal more?
chrome vector
its on the guide because each piece is 1% mage str iirc
safe grotto
it's just another 1% mage dmg armour
technically the easiest one to get since you want to also be able to craft your own bloods anyways
astral halo
wait then why not blue moon?
safe grotto
you can craft full set by boosting +5 from 76 which is before even being able to make your bloods
chrome vector
bc moons isnt efficient
astral halo
mhh ok 76 is not that bad
safe grotto
yeah moons are skippable since bowfa is still there
astral halo
but yeah looking at chart my goal the next few weeks:
mage book (45% done)
kill whisperer -> get quest cape
farm ammo (probably sunlight ammo or bone bolts)
daganoth ring
1 zulrah KC -> elite void and Chally
and then despairing because i should probably do CG then
safe grotto
you should send a few cg starting now tbh
rotund stag
do a few kc a day
safe grotto
don't have to hard camp it until you get everything, it could be a "passive" thing you do
astral halo
i know
chrome vector
you either chip or degen it yeah
astral halo
i did train a bit in leagues
chrome vector
i would advise chipping
i did 40kc a day when i got my bowfa around this time last year
astral halo
problem is my range lvl is only 87
livid nymph
ok im off from leagues now, but im finding myself missing the 25min afk of endless harvest and being able to walk away from my computer
are there any true 25min afks in main game? maybe salvaging?
chrome vector
5min afk bwans my beloved
astral halo
are there any true 25min afks in main game? maybe salvaging?
we have 8 and 10 minute afks 😄 with meteors and gemstone crab
safe grotto
salvaging is always an option, ye
astral halo
oh yeha and bwans
safe grotto
it's a true 25 min afk if you just let your crew salvage
astral halo
solid stack should last me for a while
safe grotto
probably will come out to be like 14k cooked karambs, pretty good
astral halo
only psuhes me to 88 cooking though lol
chrome vector
im delaying any more fishing until leechfins release i reckon
astral halo
looking at jagex strategie so far
i doubt they will be good exp
chrome vector
im pretty sure theyre supposed to be upwards of 100k/hr confirmed
astral halo
also still not getting if leechfin is actually a good food
safe grotto
yeah
astral halo
well all right then
safe grotto
the leechfin sandwiches failed on the poll
astral halo
i do fish for food thoughXD so leechfin kinda sounds pointles snow
mhh fishing lvl for marling would be usefull though
chrome vector
i will likely be doing 87-91 through leechfins and then the rest through leechfin or afk dark crabs
astral halo
btw i do think every skill needs more stuff in the 91-99 range
and these should REWARD you a lot for each lvl closer to 99
like marlin with cooking
chrome vector
most gathering skills are in a good place atm
fallen hamlet
mining sucks
chrome vector
mining sucks because its slow unless you want to get rsi
not because it has bad rewards
fallen hamlet
fishing could do with adding 50% xp to a lot of stuff
mining has bad rewards because mining is a terrible source of ore
amethyst is the only thing actually worth mining
nobody is excited to hit 85 mining because now they get to go mine rune
chrome vector
i mean
you have stars too
which is a crazy good source of crafting xp
(which is also a garbage skill to train)
livid nymph
yeah wait why would you ever mine rune
celest harbor
underrated crafting xp source: gotr
fallen hamlet
i did stars to 99 but its not exactly good content, its only popular because the alternatives are so much worse
chrome vector
i struggle to see literally any reward space for mining as a skill unless you arbitrarily gated content behind high mining levels
celest harbor
give mining the wintertodt treatment
fallen hamlet
you'd need to do two things
make ores desirable to have, and make mining them less ass
chrome vector
not unless we start putting blood fury charges in the walls of vampyrium (tech)
you can never make ores desirable because they are inherently ass to process
- there's the actual maingame economy with rune being tied to alch value
versed ledge
Maybe but the topic is "is it OP" which is pretty hard when the fastest option i...
tbh moons gear, mostly blue/blood moon,is way too disproportionately powerful for where it comes from, the content does not warrant the level of power that it has and they should've put more of it into the set effect rather than just making blood moon and blue moon have the same str as bandos/ahrim
versed ledge
It's just really awful content to engage with that takes a super long time if you intend to get things that come after it like bofa and oathplate
And unless you're trying to do stuff undergeared in the first place, even the strong blood moon set is pretty skippable
fallen hamlet
rs3 mostly solved mining and smithing
versed ledge
Like full blood moon is pretty good for getting carried in team cox
fallen hamlet
its not perfect and you couldnt put it in osrs 1 to 1, but its a good start
livid nymph
no we couldnt
paper bridge
Blast furnace sucks but has a big saving grace: you don't have to stay there nearly as long
livid nymph
runecrafting is perfect
fallen hamlet
current mining needs entirely reworking
livid nymph
no room for rework