No fly is much harder than donofly
#game-update
obsidian venture
true talon
nofly has you engage with none of the mechanics though. you bypass the fireball skip and wave skip and do dps to kill before flares.
obsidian venture
If you want engagement
sacred oracle
these goalposts, they are a-movin'
obsidian venture
nofly has you engage with none of the mechanics though. you bypass the fireball ...
And this is why he shouldn’t chat
civic ginkgo
Hey guys, I can't prayer flick jad, they should remove his ability to attack with mage
obsidian venture
Classic doesn’t know what they’re talking about
kind sail
the thing about dono fly is that if youre not tick perfect, atleast 95% of the players ive duod with are not able to get back into rotation, making the fight significantly more challenging
idk what this guy is on about
minor whale
these goalposts, they are a-movin'
JMod says any fly method is harder than mage p3
"I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
sacred oracle
everytime i come in here and see tassili saying mage p3 is harder than fly methods, i realize i'm a much bigger gamer than i thought, because i can do mage p3 in my sleep, but fly methods are so annoying and hard that i quit
thick beacon
nofly has you engage with none of the mechanics though. you bypass the fireball ...
right but do u think this easier to even execute (let alone learn to use in first place)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4oDt-twzz8
sacred oracle
it's because i'm actually just TOO good at the game
obsidian venture
How good
obsidian venture
right but do u think this easier to even execute (let alone learn to use in firs...
He can’t do the methods mate
Yapping to yap
true talon
right but do u think this easier to even execute (let alone learn to use in firs...
Again, its not about whats easier, its about the boss dying in a (duo) before he does any of his p3 mechanics and thats why its perceived as much easier than expected.
why do you keep making this mage vs melee and difficulty debate?
minor whale
Because you've brought it up about a dozen times that "mage p3 is harder" and you get btfo'd every single time
true talon
what?
civic ginkgo
Tass better hope they don't make a rule to stop trolling, or he'll be banned from this discord
true talon
im not trolling.
obsidian venture
Tass better hope they don't make a rule to stop trolling, or he'll be banned fro...
Should’ve been banned long ago but alas
minor whale
Tass better hope they don't make a rule to stop trolling, or he'll be banned fro...
Actually it's a rule that you can't say someone is trolling
true talon
its always the same people stating this, time to put the rest on ignore
obsidian venture
Same people who are better than you and understand the game more 
sacred oracle
Again, its not about whats easier, its about the boss dying in a (duo) before he...
i feel gaslit
minor whale
obsidian venture
🤣🤣
true talon
much nicer place now.
civic ginkgo
You'll get an official warning to not say someone is trolling
Oh right, I just checked the rules, and it didn't say,my bad!
minor whale
obsidian venture
Oh right, I just checked the rules, and it didn't say,my bad!
Rules don’t say a lot of things dw
true talon
if anyone would like to debate on why yama is much easier than expected, feel free.
thick beacon
Again, its not about whats easier, its about the boss dying in a (duo) before he...
im not against them increasing hp on p3/buffing drops a bit to compesate. i think for endgame boss it is pretty easy but at same time i feel like the real monster is awakend yama if u want challange and do things you said
sacred oracle
i've literally died at yama from mage being so slow and boring and basically afk that i drift off
thick beacon
like i want jagex to gatekeep toa drops but i doubt they ever will
sacred oracle
so in that sense, yeah, harder
obsidian venture
Skill issue is a big factor as to why he can’t
sacred oracle
i really should learn a fly method
true talon
im not against them increasing hp on p3/buffing drops a bit to compesate. i thin...
I agree contract yama is a better fight for difficulty.
sacred oracle
definitely tomorrow, tomorrow's the day
i got yama down to 600 hp doing gregfly
(we won't talk about how much hp he starts with)
true talon
and that mainly comes from the 75-50 phasing and p3 actually lasting.
obsidian venture
I also watch YouTube videos and can discuss contracts ^
(Without ever doing them himself)
Great for discussion
dark token
Glyphic cheese gone 4 evrr
obsidian venture
civic ginkgo
I also watch YouTube videos and can discuss contracts ^
I think he's put us on the ignore list 😞
obsidian venture
I think he's put us on the ignore list 😞
That’s ok
Getting ignored by mid tier pvmers who argue stuff they don’t understand is fine
true talon
bane and pyro is, they never say anything worth listening to.
sonic nimbus
(Without ever doing them himself)
cant put images here, but he has 1500 kills I dont think thats the case. You are not engaging with good faith imo
obsidian venture
cant put images here, but he has 1500 kills I dont think thats the case. You are...
Contracts if you read
He has Yama kc yes
sonic nimbus
1500 kc and 4 zuks I would not be surprised if he had contracts done
sonic nimbus
They have still done enough pvm to conceptually understand the game and have a point that doing a specific sequence of clicks in a specific rhythm can actually be easier than doing the fight itself
sacred oracle
um
obsidian venture
If you’ve seen his other arguments you’d be shocked by how little he knows
Kcs are a horrible factor
minor whale
Did someone hop on their alt
sonic nimbus
to do 78 sol I think you understand bossing to a fine enough degree
obsidian venture
Ok can ask for pb then
dark token
Prayer Regeneration Potions now reset in the same way that Divine Potions and the Saturated Heart do, when a player dies or visits minigames that reset their stats.
obsidian venture
Over kc
dark token
No more prayer regen in cg?
minor whale
I think it means can re-regen if you exit
dark token
They just nerfing everything this one
sacred skiff
Lmao did regens work in CG for a bit?
obsidian venture
Yes
obsidian venture
Helped with more redemptions
dark token
How am i ever gonna beat cg rec now
sacred oracle
regen working in cg was very funny
sacred skiff
If I hadn’t already gotten that no-pots CA and still needed it, I’d have been pissed to miss that lol
true talon
to do 78 sol I think you understand bossing to a fine enough degree
nah i dont got sub 50 inferno or world record speed for hmtob. so i clearly dont know anything about the game lol.
sacred oracle
i don't care if someone has 100 zuk kc: if they insist that mage yama is harder than melee yama, i'm probably not gonna be inclined to take their opinions seriously
dark token
Sub50 inferno 
sacred skiff
Mage yama is harder on the souls stack as an iron lol
true talon
im also an ironman who has to partake in every single aspect of the game mechanic wise no matter how tedious lol.
sacred skiff
But def way easier
dark token
What we cryin about yall
sacred oracle
the biggest reason to learn donofly
obsidian venture
No bolting
true talon
dunno i blocked them
sonic nimbus
nah i dont got sub 50 inferno or world record speed for hmtob. so i clearly dont...
I dont ever really agree with you but like its a bit much to say you dont understand the content imo
obsidian venture
minor whale
When talking about specifically contracts
sacred skiff
Personally I’m only crying a out Emberlight reducing attack and strength being ExceptionScaped out of Yama lol
minor whale
I think it's fair
dark token
Allergic to donofly?
minor whale
To say "person who hasn't done contracts can't really give their opinion on their difficulty via just watching Youtube"
obsidian venture
@sonic nimbus ^
minor whale
If someone just watched how to do ToB and started giving opinions on how hard Verzik was I'd probably go 🤨
sacred oracle
i was good up until the soulflares came out, then everything went bad
brain too small to swap gear, switch prayers, and click tiles
civic ginkgo
I dont ever really agree with you but like its a bit much to say you dont unders...
The problem is, he gives very contradictory arguments, that's why people take his in-game knowledge with a grain of salt
obsidian venture
Out of all the people that should block me, @sacred oracle should
But he hasn’t
minor whale
i was good up until the soulflares came out, then everything went bad
If you want, once soulflares come out swap back to maging
dark token
To say "person who hasn't done contracts can't really give their opinion on thei...
I agree with this statement
minor whale
It'll get you more confident and faster kills
obsidian venture
Gotchu king
sonic nimbus
fairy nuff. From what I read it seemed like he was saying base was too easy and contracts were a good difficulty
true talon
i can do all methods at yama. its a verified fact that melee has trivialized the boss due to shear dps of bypassing every mechanic. and if you can prove otherwise.
minor whale
It's pretty good when learning the flies to bring mage as a backup
I guess Jmods saying "mage is easier mate" is just not a verifiable fact
sonic nimbus
maybe just needed to read more
obsidian venture
I don’t trust anyone on difficulty when they haven’t done the content
Useless discussion
true talon
surprised they allowed any defense reduction on the boss. if they removed the ability to reduce his defense, then yama would be on target for a 4 min duo.
obsidian venture
If he did one contract even, I wouldn’t have said what I said
obsidian venture
But he’s YouTube gaming
minor whale
maybe just needed to read more
He's been harping on "Mage is so much harder than melee at Yama" for weeks now
Then a jmod said "Mage is way easier" and the goalposts have moved to "I don't care about that discussion" and is now discussing the difficulty of contracts he's not done
obsidian venture
Avg larper
Hence why their kcs mean jackshit
Really bad metric to judge someone
sacred oracle
i actually have absolutely no idea how donofly works in duo
dark token
Who's "they"
true talon
Jagex
sacred oracle
do you have to adjust gregfly in some way if there's two of you?
obsidian venture
Tass
minor whale
do you have to adjust gregfly in some way if there's two of you?
You mirror it as a duo
true talon
I mean they had a lot of content creators play test it.
sacred oracle
oh, so it's a different set of tiles depending on who hosts?
minor whale
The instance creator does it normally like the tile markers
dark token
Cus i can tell u iwas there hour 0of the boss and it was like a 3 minute smth kill on double mage camp
minor whale
And the joiner has to do it mirrored
sonic nimbus
Really bad metric to judge someone
I think it can be a good metric to measure game knowledge. My entire point was that he is clearly not bad at the game and it seemed like thats what the convo was at that point
minor whale
It's really cool to watch
true talon
seeing bane fuming while also being blocked feels good.
obsidian venture
I think it can be a good metric to measure game knowledge. My entire point was t...
To some degree sure but you pitched in on the wrong comment when I was talking about contracts
sonic nimbus
I dont agree with their opinion really but doing 78 sol kc you do have to understand the core mechanics of the game pretty well which is transferrable knowledge imo
civic ginkgo
I think it can be a good metric to measure game knowledge. My entire point was t...
I think what they are getting at is that it's someone trying to tell you how to do zuk when they only have a fire cape
sacred oracle
i'm not sure i understand why you would block someone then read his messages, but in either case talking about it in #game-update isn't really productive
obsidian venture
i'm not sure i understand why you would block someone then read his messages, bu...
He thinks I’m fuming for some reason
sacred oracle
he doesn't realize that's your default state
obsidian venture
When I just call out peoples bullshit 
sacred oracle
full of rage! all the time!
obsidian venture
he doesn't realize that's your default state
Exactly
minor whale
i'm not sure i understand why you would block someone then read his messages, bu...
Tassili after saying blocking people is bad
obsidian venture
LMAO
true talon
I think what they are getting at is that it's someone trying to tell you how to ...
i dont think ive done this. im not telling anyone how to do anything lol.
sonic nimbus
I think what they are getting at is that it's someone trying to tell you how to ...
fair but this person is past the level of fire caper and has transferrable game knowledge from other hard content was my main point. Even if they are wrong in this instance
semantics ig
civic ginkgo
i dont think ive done this. im not telling anyone how to do anything lol.
Not you, bane
sacred oracle
in any case, i think i'm gonna go try donofly again
no one get muted while i'm gone
obsidian venture
Will try
civic ginkgo
no one get muted while i'm gone
Don't tell me what to do 😂
true talon
75-50 phasing woulda made more sense on base yama on release, it would have drastically increased his difficulty as youd be in p3 much longer, it would force you to learn astral flares over just killing him before they spawn.
dark token
Astral flares? Soulflares?
Guys are we talkin abt void flares or
Why have i seen 6 diff words for void flares
😂 😂
true talon
Whats ur take on donofly?
it trivailized the important phase of the boss and allowed you to skip over falling fireballs/waves by just doing a simple tile running method. while i do agree it takes skill to be tick perfect and its a difficult method to learn. it also takes away from the boss doing literally anything and turns him into bando's
frail nebula
Because nobody knew they were called void flares for like a week
obsidian venture
“It trivialized”
“While I do agree it takes skill to be tick perfect”
Crazy comms
dark token
it trivailized the important phase of the boss and allowed you to skip over fall...
The skill ceiling is what makes the boss easier to deal with?
Who woulda thought
obsidian venture
Not him for sure
chrome crypt
i mean
sullen parrot
chrome crypt
with that logic, prayer trivialises all the boss fights. you can simply activate prayer and negate all melee/range/mage damage for most monsters
I agree it takes skill to be tick perfect in changing prayers
but it also takes away from the boss doing literally anything and turn him into chickens
different method of killing the boss
dark token
Taking avoidable dmg by tick perfect executing running to said tiles
chrome crypt
doesnt trivialise one or the other
obsidian venture
🤣🤣🤣
dark token
Unless ofc u cant click? Haha
This wasnt directed at u @true talon i was just making a statement
true talon
Entire point was the fight is to short in p3 and the boss dies before doing his double waves or his void flares and thats why he is considered easy. its very hectic if the fight goes on for double waves and more than 1 set of void flares.
hard axle
i can do all methods at yama. its a verified fact that melee has trivialized the...
buddy man
meager flame
its not really that hectic honestly
meager flame
it only feels like that for people when they dont actually know what is going to happen
true talon
why do you show up again and say dumb shit about mage vs melee difficulty again lol.
hard axle
you're the one crying about it
true talon
I am not.......
dark token
Cloudfly kinda insane tho
civic ginkgo
Tass, I'm asking this honestly, but why do you continue to argue when it's clear you're not gonna win?
dark token
All those tick perfect tile clicking just trivializes sensory clouding difficulty.
Everybody should have the sensory clouding thing done.
hard axle
glyphic attenuation is being done in ranged over crush + prayer just shows how pathetic melee is
chrome crypt
dont dodge mechanics, it trivialises the boss. stand still like a man and tank
dark token
glyphic attenuation is being done in ranged over crush + prayer just shows how p...
Finally, a quick note for those working on the Glyphic Attenuation contract. It’s supposed to be a melee-only challenge - a test of your ability to get up close and personal. However, special effects from Ruby and Diamond Enchanted Bolts were giving players an unintended edge. We've now disabled those effects during this contract.
❌
hard axle
Finally, a quick note for those working on the Glyphic Attenuation contract. It’...
fuck
mannnnn
minor whale
I've done mage only Yama
It doesn't get hectic at all, even soloing it mage only it just gets long and boring. You click staff then click spec and flare and spec and flare and then click back onto shadow
It's at max hecticness less clicking than flying
hard axle
I've done mage only Yama
It doesn't get hectic at all, even soloing it mage only...
oh btw
dark token
All the 2026 gms are SOL gotta do it the intended way 
true talon
All those tick perfect tile clicking just trivializes sensory clouding difficult...
have you see the cha cha slide for this contract, its just 12 brews no tick perfect and the ingenius strategy of just run away.
dark token
have you see the cha cha slide for this contract, its just 12 brews no tick perf...
Trust me that is way harder than u think LOL
true talon
Trust me that is way harder than u think LOL
probably, but it looked hilarious
hard axle
kirby big skip
hard axle
have you see the cha cha slide for this contract, its just 12 brews no tick perf...
please do it and become like wizzy
"21i37120937821321 black demons"
that man deserves to lose his mental after the scythe incident
dark token
Sensory melee is way harder than running it mage thats for sure
hard axle
absolutely
true talon
please do it and become like wizzy
im not insane, i am a reward vs effort player and white ugly armor is not a sastifying enough reward to persue. same with blood torva. somethings are just not worth the time to obtain.
hard axle
sensory melee is probably peak difficulty
out of all
hell, melee any contract is peak
dark token
No more chicken method u actually gotta do the boss
Also saying mage is more diff than melee
dark token
Those tick perfect tiles r hard to fix when u desync and making an error spawns voidflares
true talon
I was just hoping after an entire month, base yama woulda gotten a crumb of change. but all the focus was on stupid contracts.
true talon
and by making the dossier more common, they actually nerfed lockboxes and oathplate shards
dark token
O and ur less likely to pray melee if you mess up meleeing and boss can swing 46
true talon
as it went from 1/40 to 1/12
true talon
nah it was a good change
dark token
I took 140 for my dc unlock cus dossiers were rare lmao
hard axle
120 for mine 
vivid ruin
Is death charge more rare now?
obsidian venture
If you’re able to use enough logic, he can block you fam @hard axle
Would be good tbh
true talon
but way yama loot works is you roll 1/120 for unique, if it fails you roll 1/12 for dossier, if it fails you roll 1/30 for lockbox if it fails 1/15 for oathplate shards, meaning you are more likely to hit dossier on a kill now by a signficant ammount, which drastically reduced the lockbox and oathplate shard rolls youd get.
hard axle
Is death charge more rare now?
no no, more common
before it was like a 1/300 or somethin
obsidian venture
Only guy to bring up the same discussion and refute his own points and stance weekly and still getting nowhere
Kinda funny ngl
true talon
well you get death charge after 100 kc
hard axle
if you get a dossier
true talon
which would take you around 6 hours or so in a duo. you can also save the dossier untill 100 kc an open it to always roll death charge.
true talon
open it on 100 kc to get death charge
dark token
Get it thru ur thick skull, old man! Meleeing the boss is significantly harder than maging the boss.
true talon
Get it thru ur thick skull, old man! Meleeing the boss is significantly harder t...
yes it is, but melee also trivalizes the important part of the boss due to shear dps. you can also just stand in melee and do 3 way mage switch to kill every flare utilizing the purging spec. then the boss only melee's you spawns flares and you never need to do anything, this is prob made harder now that you cant emberlight down his str/atk.
vivid ruin
no no, more common
Thank god. Thats the only thing i want from yama lol
obsidian venture
yes it is, but melee also trivalizes the important part of the boss due to shear...
Here we go againnnnnn
🤣🤣🤣🤣
hard axle
It's like saying bloat and maiden is trivialized because you stack crabs 
it's called player ingenuity
kirby big skip with mage also trivializes bombs btw
dark token
yes it is, but melee also trivalizes the important part of the boss due to shear...
having to perform tick perfect movements to make the fight faster by using better gear (melee) trivializes the boss?
hard axle
this is just one of tass's weird phobias
man doesn't want to run olm head or butterfly akkha, remember
obsidian venture
LMAO
hard axle
he face tanks akkha iirc
even if jagex has said that they did intend butterfly to an extent
true talon
having to perform tick perfect movements to make the fight faster by using bette...
yes, because if it dies before 70 ticks into p3 then he doesnt do anything.
true talon
Yes this was not about solo
hard axle
melee has like a 5% chance
obsidian venture
he doesn’t know what the word trivialize means 🤣🤣🤣
true talon
I think solo is a good example of the fight having actual mechanics
true talon
in a duo the fight ends to fast.
dark token
do you think it's a type of skill expression if the boss is making it past 70 ticks so you have to experience the boss
obsidian venture
Trivialize means tick perfect! Wow!
dark token
or
hard axle
I don't care if they make flares spawn earlier
but that would kill tass's arguments
completely
dark token
is the 70 tick window too huge of a gap for meleers?
small anvil
Speed running obviously trivializes all bosses on timers
true talon
idc about skill expression or whats precieved as skill lol. im stating what is making the boss appear (not end game) to people spouting that its not.
small anvil
Just go slower!
dark token
yama is pretty end game
true talon
and that making it phase at 50% would fix some of those issues and also boost the enagement factor of the end game boss.
dark token
the reason ppl think it's not is because ur BIS comes from a mid tier boss
those contracts are pretty endgame if anything
true talon
p3 is were all the challenge is
which is why they shifted the phasing to p3 in contracts
dark token
if they made the boss 75-50, you wouldnt get a glyph mechanic in p1 and p2
true talon
base yama coulda gotten the same treatment and it would have drastically improved the boss
dark token
LOL
true talon
if they made the boss 75-50, you wouldnt get a glyph mechanic in p1 and p2
you would get 1-2 of each
sacred oracle
i am getting wrecked by donofly and learning that i am not a tick perfect gamer
dark token
okay youll get one and itll instaphase
obsidian venture
i am getting wrecked by donofly and learning that i am not a tick perfect gamer
But it trivializes the boss according to Tass?!
That’s odd
Hmmm
small anvil
Good luck mox I believe you can do it
dark token
we try again
wow u are not trivialziing the boss lmao
sacred oracle
it's so much easier than mage solo, that's why i've been dying over and over trying to learn it off and on for weeks
small anvil
Faster, dunno bout easier lol
obsidian venture
Can’t wait till they have a dictionary command in this chat
dark token
u shouldnt be able to push maiden's hp to 50% unless all the crabs are dead.
it trivializes her phases
obsidian venture
🤣🤣🤣
hard axle
i am getting wrecked by donofly and learning that i am not a tick perfect gamer
that's exactly how it is
obsidian venture
Mind you as an iron he went through 3 blood furies in a weekend
gaunt kestrel
every time i see engaging with tass
hard axle
5
gaunt kestrel
and i just think
sacred oracle
i was close that time, but i hesitated oooone tick and the run was lost
dark token
blood fury fo yama?
obsidian venture
I haven’t played that much since like 2020
gaunt kestrel
🎣
obsidian venture
blood fury fo yama?
Colo
obsidian venture
Ahhhh
true talon
every time i see engaging with tass
i dunno why they get so bent out of shape by stated facts that are proven by data lol.
obsidian venture
🤣🤣🤣
hard axle
gaunt kestrel
anyways gents oathplate under 100m btw
small anvil
It's always funny when people think others are agreeing with them
small anvil
When they're being made fun of
hard axle
anyways gents oathplate under 100m btw
that's what happens when you slap a bunch of mechanics on
that dont need to be there
dark token
boss only been out for 3 weeks? felt like itsbeen out for a month ngl
gaunt kestrel
that's what happens when you slap a bunch of mechanics on
yea lmao
small anvil
Eh I'm not as much a hater on the extras
Just the drop rates are high
And catered to irons
obsidian venture
🔥🔥🔥
dark token
yea because every mfs mage camping this boss
gaunt kestrel
8 enter the game naturally, almost 3 enter via shards for free, and you drop 1 acqui contract and 3 shard contracts
dark token
LOL
slender vapor
It's the tradeable shards that are truly killing it tbh
gaunt kestrel
yea
slender vapor
gaunt kestrel
honestly
hard axle
markets are 30-70% vibes
true talon
tradeable shards is the issue lol
hard axle
doesnt matter if in-game or irl
gaunt kestrel
it's the shards
hard axle
im not kidding btw
gaunt kestrel
but we've gone over this hella times
small anvil
Markets are yeah
small anvil
It's about people's expectations of future prices
gaunt kestrel
i'll come back to the conversation when oath is masori price
not accounting for arma
small anvil
Which boils down to vibes
gaunt kestrel
hard axle
It's about people's expectations of future prices
remember people valued tesla 120x what it brought in previous year
dark token
cba i bought this shit for 250m ea and now im just taking the piss.
small anvil
"growth stock'
dark token
true talon
cba i bought this shit for 250m ea and now im just taking the piss.
on you for sure, considering how shards work.
dark token
yea well i cant sell it back either
obsidian venture
Bought it for 425m* no regrets
small anvil
Catering drop rates to irons equals flooded market for mains
dark token
i made my armour untradeable man so sad 😭 😏 😂😭 
obsidian venture
Ye
true talon
And catered to irons
drop rates are not high, they are slightly under phosani nightmare at a 1/120 to hit table solo and 1/137 for phosani. tradeable shards are the issue and they arent iron catering lol.
gaunt kestrel
but yknow avg
obsidian venture
One more contract left
gaunt kestrel
phosani is 1/113 btw
true talon
if they were iron catering, then shards would have been untradeable
gaunt kestrel
for any item
hard axle
drop rates are not high, they are slightly under phosani nightmare at a 1/120 to...
please don't be stupid
and do the 1:1 drop rate comparison
gaunt kestrel
and with the update it will be effectively 1/90ish
hard axle
I stg, you are not this dumb
gaunt kestrel
(based on our current kph)
hard axle
I just had this convo yday with someone who tried to ignore kill times and roll times
and got his ass put down for being stupid af
obsidian venture
I stg, you are not this dumb
Bro
You know who you’re talking to ye
Actual dent
hard axle
feels like im talking to a politician ngl
misrepresents and lies out their ass for their benefits
obsidian venture
And chat mods don’t care!
small anvil
Willing to say anything to support what they wanna say that day
No attempt at consistency
true talon
so phosani dies in around 6:30-7 minutes. at a 1/113 to hit the table.
Yama dies in around 4:30-6:30 depending on methods at 1/120 to hit table.
sacred oracle
we got closer this time lol
small anvil
Conveniently ignores horn
true talon
horn is 40% of the table yes
dark token
we got closer this time lol
wyd l0l
small anvil
But doesn't ignore the worse nightmare drops
hard axle
we got closer this time lol
dark token
look up greg donofly v2
hard axle
gj gj
hard axle
so phosani dies in around 6:30-7 minutes. at a 1/113 to hit the table.
Yama dies...
yama solo pb is literally 2:40 something
phosani solo pb is like 5:xx something
small anvil
My Internet is not consistent enough right now to even be trying tick methods
dark token
as a rs player who's only learned from youtube guides, i believe meleeing pnm trivialzies the boss.
small anvil
I sometimes just don't move during hourglass
true talon
yama solo pb is literally 2:40 something <:erm:1272329220340715615>
phosani so...
I dont think you can use a record speed time as a factor lol.
slender vapor
Phosani's is also a more demanding boss than yama
true talon
if someone did 2:40 solo thats insane though
dark token
even if u dont
yama solos are like 4 minutes and pnm is like 7 min avg for ppl
eh even more avg yama is 5 minute for most ppl
hard axle
I dont think you can use a record speed time as a factor lol.
I've seen low 3s casual
no venge or tech
just hit boss
slender vapor
Hit boss is the best strategy
hard axle
so please expand your times to include non-tass kill times
obsidian venture
Tass is the avg pvmer
Who also try’s to talk out of their zone 🫡
Make a wish discussions
One day it’ll go well for them 😅
obsidian venture
😭
small anvil
I genuinely thought clues update was likely today
Figured they were done tweaking yama
fossil epoch
I genuinely thought clues update was likely today
small anvil
So late
meager flame
i would give a lot to be able to listen in on what has happened since varlamore part 1
fossil epoch
on what specficly? just everything that has happened since early 2024?
meager flame
has to have been exhausting
yeah
like
update comes out > game breaks > updates are slow people complain > block out more time for updates > game still breaks > people complain
etc
hard axle
meager flame
shit has not been going their way lol
fossil epoch
im not sure updates are that slow, most updates are planned to have a release date way out in the future, then there is a buffer afterwards to fix stuff, and there is many teams working on different things, so they can swap around features if something gets delayed
meager flame
well its not that they're slow its more so that like
austere mulch
Daily ask for horn to work with claws as polled and communicated until the last minute, unnecessary rug pull 
meager flame
a lot of their update weeks are now "we're doing some stuff on the backend and thus we aren't releasing a content update" type of stuff
minor whale
I'd just like it if every new content update wasn't "here's 4 weeks of just updates about this", it feels a lot like padding out updates
small anvil
Tbf yama needed it
meager flame
i think part of that is just that they seem to have shifted around a little bit
minor whale
Like if you remove the "tweaking things at Yama that weren't a big deal" this week
meager flame
and they seem to try to go big all at once
minor whale
The update this week was practically nothing
meager flame
personally i prefer them doing smaller updates but actually making it every other week if not every week
it kinda feels seasonal when its one big update and then we kinda just stare at that for awhile
but thats more of a preference thing since in theory
the actual amount of content doesn't change
slender vapor
That's marketing and management more than anything i think
fossil epoch
a lot of their update weeks are now "we're doing some stuff on the backend and t...
probably because thats planned, since they need to do quite a bit of engine work and changes, for sailing im guessing
slender vapor
Remember, ceo change
small anvil
Yeah this patch being called yama tweaks is just fluff
meager flame
ya im pretty sure their battle with the engine started around wgs
and has not stopped
small anvil
The substance of the patch wasn't going to change
fossil epoch
battle against engine has been the story of oldschool though
small anvil
Just got a label slapped onto it
meager flame
kinda most of it was just yeah we're not doing engine stuff so we aren't doing xyz
now its haha nothing released this week but random stuff blew up again silly engine work
slender vapor
battle against engine has been the story of oldschool though
I do love how hilariously complex the BA code apparently is
meager flame
on some level its just gotta happen
for things like sailing
but man its been dragging out
small anvil
And how much it would send people to orbit if it was simplified
Because strategies revolve around very specific things
slender vapor
It's truly the duct tape holding us back from the nuclear apocalypse as far as osrs is concerned
fossil epoch
update cannon at BA, so its less clunky, ranged skill now max hits a -2
slender vapor
We breathed on it slightly, woodcutting is now not a skill
meager flame
tbh
thats kind of the greatest reason ever to just go in and decimate the BA code lol
small anvil
You saw the thieving guide showing crafting thing
meager flame
rather than just letting it hang around and be weird forever causing them issues
small anvil
Ash said no spaghetti to blame there though
meager flame
idk how they do it
fossil epoch
Ash said no spaghetti to blame there though
Perhaps its a rogue mod trying to steal the crafting skill for himself?
subtle merlin
not much of an update this week...
meager flame
i would never manage a community so closely like they do with BA breaking and having to come in and work through the madness
solemn island
Is there a date allready for the poll 84 update to chicel down revenent artifacts?
fossil epoch
Is there a date allready for the poll 84 update to chicel down revenent artifact...
no
solemn island
Rip
meager flame
that would've been a hard rewrite from me long ago if its really that bad
granted thats a lot of work but
just seems tough to let that live forever
winter hearth
@left willow Asked the team to take a look, it looks like you dropped your Gricoller's Can about 4 minutes after obtaining it and never picked it back up
sacred oracle
and then you end up dealing with a whole raft of new bugs
in addition to the time spent on rewrite
meager flame
yeah but i imagine the root of the issue is whoever originally set this all up
fossil epoch
Goblin the MVP
meager flame
probably would give me flashbacks to when i worked for a place that was essentially tasked with making random programs older than me functional for new hardware for random companies
and i'd see shit that was unbelievable
i bet a lot of the early rs stuff is like that lol
slender vapor
This game is coded like first gen pokemon
small anvil
"I don't know why this works but I don't want to break it so I'm leaving the jank"
fossil epoch
BA is a hot mess, but it works (except when it adds billions of GP into the game because of a bug), so its just easier to leave it alone
sacred cove
Misingno pet where?
meager flame
you know its a real problem when you have to go find the one guy still around that's like
55
sacred oracle
things are gonna get spicy when we finally get penance king
meager flame
because nobody else has any clue what they're even seeing
hard axle
Can we make Awakened Bosses be 1/150 pet rate btw @winter hearth 
rain fulcrum
Can we make Awakened Bosses be 1/150 pet rate btw <@958735975754903594> <:hehe:1...
I didn't do blorva yet please don't 😭
meager flame
lmao honestly that would probably go over really badly
people would see the price on those orbs and it would get bad again like contracts were
rain fulcrum
I thin it's a straight bad idea to attach extra stuff to the orbs
meager flame
yeah its beaten to death but honestly
think the game would be better if that kind of stuff was just gone
idk how you'd unlock the fights without them but
it doesn't seem to have really worked that well
chrome crypt
update cannon at BA, so its less clunky, ranged skill now max hits a -2
cannon works fine in BA
if anything, hope they change the instances again cause that's screwing with the trou qs
fossil epoch
cannon works fine in BA
its was just a joke reference, cannons being the closest thing to "ranged"
vestal jetty
<@698329940961263696> Asked the team to take a look, it looks like you dropped y...
@winter hearth u r the only one who replies. Respect to you. Never seen another mod reply
fossil epoch
Roq was in here earlier
Ash often talks in General, and did reply to something in here earlier aswell
ember token
engaging with the community is in goblin’s job description
Ash just responds to questions because he’s nice
fossil epoch
yeh, ash will answer stuff about the game, but trying to request an update from him, wont happen
he is very polite in the way he turns down those requests though
ember token
and Row just likes to hang out and chat from time to time, and he also keeps an eye on game suggestions
dry pond
Jagex you planning on making emberlight drain defence at yama again?
slender vapor
It's wild that they didn't just cap it
dry pond
It reduces strength instead of defence now
slender vapor
Instead of acting surprised people use the spec as intended
dry pond
100% should have been a cap
how dare we use the anti demon weapon's spec as intended against a demon
slender vapor
That's a heavy handed kneejerk nerf
Cap it, make it balance somewhere before duos can make him a chicken
dry pond
Corp is fine as a chicken but not yama apparently
winter hearth
<@958735975754903594> u r the only one who replies. Respect to you. Never seen a...
Others do, just that atm a lot of the stuff going on is stuff that I'm directly involved with or have a better understanding of!
winter hearth
It's wild that they didn't just cap it
Well don't you look silly now!
https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/1932819664247075142 (we capped it)
dry pond
This wasn't on the news page!
fossil epoch
Goblin with all the jmod smackdowns today
winter hearth
It's getting added
winter hearth
Goblin with all the jmod smackdowns today
hate the term smackdown, in this case it is still very much us who looks silly tbf, bugged implementation and a heavy-handed adjustment
small anvil
Lol it was reducing strength
fossil epoch
all good, just joking
slender vapor
That's such a swift, important change
dry pond
Yeah it's absolutely a great change, but out of curiosity (not trolling) why was this not the first option
fossil epoch
Now all we need is just a quick fix of giving me the soul wars pet, and runescape can once again become a better place
minor whale
When a monster has a defense reduction cap does it let bgs drain other stats once it reaches the cap?
I know it's supposed to drain in order
small anvil
Bgs chicken time?
ember token
so def is lowered as intended again with emberlight?
minor whale
But if it's not at 0 does it drain anyway if bgs just can't drain more def
winter hearth
so def is lowered as intended again with emberlight?
yes
fossil epoch
we doing a non twitter post, perhaps in this discord?
small anvil
Sounds like they did 0/200/0/0/0 instead of 200/0/0/0/0
minor whale
So emberlight still bis for normal fights, could theoretically use bgs to chicken still?
hard axle
So emberlight still bis for normal fights, could theoretically use bgs to chicke...
cant chicken because defense capped
dreamy fractal
Zendiary's name is fabulous 
minor whale
cant chicken because defense capped
Ah I meant att/str chicken
It's weird bgs doesn't work where "if can't drain defense, drain other stats"
That'd give it a use at so many places
dreamy fractal
https://i.imgur.com/uavIfKv.png
also gz
fossil epoch
Original name is Zendary, add an i, cuz ironman become a calm milk product
woven comet
Hi
does this count as discussing the game update?
it seems i cant post the screenshot
but huey tail on huey phase seems to have turned 90 degrees lmao
fossil epoch
you have to be steelrank to post screenshots
woven comet
fair enough
i did one more kc to take a screenshot and got 2nd pet lmao
just now :/
fossil epoch
turned 90 degrees? so its in the wall?
winter hearth
https://i.imgur.com/uavIfKv.png
gz!
woven comet
yeah
and i got 2nd pet at 386 kc
i did this kc solo purely for this screenshot lmao
to post it here
true talon
Lool
tacit wharf
that is content
woven comet
perhaps someone should know about it lmao
fossil epoch
@winter hearth did you see this?
tacit wharf
too bad there arent dwarves at the bottom of that mountain
woven comet
this 90 degree turn happens on both sides btw
winter hearth
<@958735975754903594> did you see this?
Have shared!
woven comet
done
left fjord
whats going on with this emberlight nerf it seems daft to make the update demonbane weapon no long works on demon boss, don't see why they havn't just capped the reduction or somthing
woven comet
report a bug and get a pet, ez money
left fjord
like was it really bad the cheesing?
small anvil
I wish it was money, I could sell my extra beavers
left fjord
ah fair appreciate that the news post sounded so much more brutal
civic ginkgo
They just wanted to scare people
left fjord
felt like evo of combat where they was like its hard to balance around overheads so were just going to make them only 50% effective, not even at yama yet but the idea of the demonbane wep not working there wound me up more than it should
sacred skiff
Still silly that a weapon literally made to reduce the physical stats of demons won’t work for contracts, but at least it’s mostly the same for normal yama
Basically about the levels he’d be after 3 ember specs
Were people speccing him down to like 0s anyway, though? How do you get enough spec and not be done with the fight lol
And you’d be better off bclawing him after a few ember specs anyway
torpid delta
mostly saw it used on the pet contract where ur specs are juiced
sacred skiff
Ah, the one where it says “your specs are more powerful than usual”?
Not that powerful though, let’s not get carried away here lol
torpid delta
yea, having 2 people with 2x spec gain that always landed did let you quickly hit chicken levels
austere mulch
Were people speccing him down to like 0s anyway, though? How do you get enough s...
Lb surge and dc, was only like 5 specs and Yama is chicken
But also like… that’s completely unnecessary to do 🤣
I don’t think it was enough of an issue to get rid of it by any means, but also not overly disappointed by the decision
hard axle
Ah, the one where it says “your specs are more powerful than usual”?
2x spec gain, all spec regen is doubled too
hard axle
Lb surge and dc, was only like 5 specs and Yama is chicken
7 
- 2 accursed spec
but the latter 2 specs dont matter nearly as much
small anvil
Accursed can't stack with itself right
sacred skiff
Dang so was the pet contract kinda free? Wish I’d known lol
small anvil
From what I read on the wiki page
hard axle
Dang so was the pet contract kinda free? Wish I’d known lol
not really
you still get planked pretty easily
by shadow waves
you remember the melee/mage hybrid method from day 1?
it was basically that
nulling bombs and dealing with waves
austere mulch
I think that post was before the hotfix was deployed
slender vapor
Shit, back to silly again
winter hearth
Hotfix was literally 3 minutes after your message that I replied to, think that post precedes it yeah
ember token
yeah thats a 3 hour old reddit post
also, weird they updated the sire spawns to change the max hit but didn't make them demonic while they were at it
winter hearth
also, weird they updated the sire spawns to change the max hit but didn't make t...
have made a note
ember token
(reason it matters is that you cant use the purging staff spec on them)
fading maple
@vague viper not sure if its been brought up, but when clicking the crafting skill for see the guide, it brings up thieving categories on the right side
ember token
and what do you expect the person you pinged (@hollow oak) to do about it?
vestal jetty
Hotfix was literally 3 minutes after your message that I replied to, think that ...
Are the drop rates on wiki real ones for yama? Been noticing so many players going 1k kc+ dry
ember token
Are the drop rates on wiki real ones for yama? Been noticing so many players goi...
they are official drop rates yes
small anvil
And if they're duoing they might be being carried and "dry" but actually have less contribution than they think
frail nebula
most dont post under rate
Good old confirmation bias
Anecdotally a bunch of people in my clan have been spooned hard at Yama
hard axle
Not anecdotal when ironscape banned most CG posts because people were posting when barely dry or not dry at all
Pretty sure people tend to bitch more when negative experience too
clever hornet
As someone who only has emberlight and can’t return it to purging staff without losing progression, I think that the emberlight special attack should still work, if less effective that’s fine, but doing “donofly” shouldn’t be a requirement in my opinion
small anvil
Buy another synapse or back to TDs if you're an iron
clever hornet
It’s more the concept of having multiple choices to fight the boss
Not being locked to a purging staff completely is healthy imo
small anvil
It's possible to do yama with other mage things
Just less leeway
Or have a partner that pops blobs
clever hornet
Requiring both players to have purging staff to make the fight worth doing just seems so linear, after multiple mechanics changes aimed at adding new ways to take on bosses eg elemental weaknesses and ranged def changes
Mainly because emberlight is nonreversable compared to purging staff where you can change it easily
meager flame
yeah theres no reason to think both players need a purging staff
even if you're not doing that great one person with it can handle it
thats kinda toxic though
since the orbs dont count as doing anything
so whoever ends up doing orbs is getting fucked
small anvil
Both do not need purging, one person can handle all the orbs
jade imp
Im getting logged out every 5 seconds... y? I wanted to bond up n not have the bond time wasted. Now i can't even log in w o connection gone w o 5 seconds. Thought this update was shipped to be quick n not have any bugs. Can't even get on
hard axle
You can 2-tap with Sang btw
meager flame
im extremely curious about jagex and not like
giving people contribution for killing npcs and doing the boss fight
austere mulch
Neither need staff if skipping flares p1 and p2 bc you kill p3 before you need to touch the flares or at worst case, would each have to kill one flare
meager flame
that seems like a weird trend
austere mulch
So a single cast
meager flame
but they keep doing it
hard axle
Neither need staff if skipping flares p1 and p2 bc you kill p3 before you need t...
bad gear folks, as I've been told, can't flare skip as often 
which personally doesn't make sense unless arclight noodles
jade imp
Anyone know y the update broke the game?
austere mulch
P2 skips hella free since you can 0dmg skip the meteor without using glyph
Just need the vision 
meager flame
tbf anyone worried about something like this
is just going to die trying to do that
warped zodiac
@winter hearth Don't you wanna sponsor "a day in the life of a Jagex employee"? Bro I wanna witness the amount of stress that you guys are receiving on a day to day (maybe weekly) basis from the community, it must be nutty 😄 I have a tech background if you actually consider it 🤣
obsidian venture
winter hearth
<@958735975754903594> Don't you wanna sponsor "a day in the life of a Jagex empl...
wake up, brush teeth, shower, walk dog, go to office or desk, do job until lunch, walk dog, do job until 5:30 or later, walk dog, game for a little or see some friends, feed dog, game for a little or see some friends, repeat
I love OSRS beyond words and love my job but it is also a 9-5 at the end of the day, it's not that exciting and you kinda get used to the stress
hard axle
minor whale
What kind of dog
winter hearth
a lil golden retriever, he's an utter nightmare at the moment because he's hitting his teenage stride
warped zodiac
wake up, brush teeth, shower, walk dog, go to office or desk, do job until lunch...
Yeah it becomes routine, you guys doing a good job though, keep it up!
small anvil
Rebellious rapscallion
austere mulch
I thought step 3 was reserved for update days only while the servers were down 😭
fossil epoch
wake up, brush teeth, shower, walk dog, go to office or desk, do job until lunch...
Lack of eating is concerning!
small anvil
Probably a snack throughout the day kinda guy?
winter hearth
a little, also usually just a one meal a day kinda thing - bad habits!
fossil epoch
That is a bad habit!
austere mulch
With one simple trick (addiction/obsession with bbq), that habit is ezpz to break.
Smoke a brisket, roast, or pork butt on Sunday and have food for the whole week 
Unless you have like a 5 person household then idk
frail nebula
a little, also usually just a one meal a day kinda thing - bad habits!
You can make up for it by shoving a whole shark, a bird nest smoothie, and an octopus down your throat at the same time
small anvil
You'll just be in a food coma for a couple hours
unreal beacon
Don't really know where to go for this, but when you click on the Crafting skill it's acting as the thieving skill a little bit LOL
I was trying to upload a screenshot here but it's not letting me.
small anvil
It's known but not fixable server side
unreal beacon
That makes sense if it's not rendered from the server side.
small anvil
So basically it's stuck until next update
unreal beacon
I mean it's not critical so I wouldn't prioritize it either.... Unless I can actually use thieving to get some crafting items from the stalls like it's showing hehe
hard axle
@winter hearth is there any way the 81 hp flare could be reduced to 77
this way maxed mage builds can get it while camping neck
true talon
a little, also usually just a one meal a day kinda thing - bad habits!
Pretty common in the IT or computer work sector. I normally eat lunch or dinner and not much else.
true talon
<@958735975754903594> is there any way the 81 hp flare could be reduced to 77
Wow no way you’re asking for a change that benefits how you doing the boss! I got crucified when I asked.
hard axle
Wow no way you’re asking for a change that benefits how you doing the boss! I go...
they turbo buffed it, hence why im asking
it's like day 1 contracts when reddit was shitting on people for not being able to kill divine severance when the jellies were full hp
and insisted you had to use holy water 
true talon
they turbo buffed it, hence why im asking <:erm:1272329220340715615>
They didn’t buff the fights, they removed unintended methods. Fights are same stat and mechanic wise. What neck you trying to camp lol. Phoenix?
hard axle
They didn’t buff the fights, they removed unintended methods. Fights are same st...
I don't think the boss is intended to chip 15 through prayer
But I don't think you would know this because you haven't done the pet contract yet
or 30s if melee distance
correct prayer too
this is basically the whole bloodied blows v1 incident where you couldn't reliably kill flares without the boss killing you
true talon
Oh the pet contract lol people we using the ember light strat for thst
hard axle
iirc, you didn't see the problem of getting hit 15s when you need to be <15 to not die to flares on bloodied blows, and how every completion involved chancing 8-10 times per kill, so it's pointless to discuss with you
and it was fixed a week later 
tough nacelle
I don't even like the melee chip damage tbh
Emberlight made the chip damage a bit less awful
But alas, soul horn maul meta till we die
rain fulcrum
I feel like the emberlite specs were kinda nice for chill duoa
tidal lark
a lil golden retriever, he's an utter nightmare at the moment because he's hitti...
add golden retrievers to osrs pls
cedar latch
Rainbow retrievers that retrieve the pride event too
zenith pike
add golden retrievers to osrs pls
Good I’m starving
torpid delta
this game does need more dogs IMO
analog crow
this game does need more dogs IMO
Sometimes game development is too important to leave to game devs! 😤
main yoke
Man I was hoping for changes to sensory clouding it's whooping my butt!!!
small anvil
Known bug, can't be fixed until a patch
craggy wind
this game does need more dogs IMO
Can we get an update where the dogs went from the random Game Jam update?? We were so excited for it
ember token
gamejam stuff isnt guaranteed to make it into the game
they've used some dogs for various things like the christmas 2024 event, which were all permanently to the game
chrome surge
Since we have a slayer task for Dogs i'm all for the implementation of Golden Retrievers in the overworld.
true talon
Since we have a slayer task for Dogs i'm all for the implementation of Golden Re...
Killing dogs is a pass for me
chrome surge
Killing dogs is a pass for me
Surprise, it's already in the game. and it specifically mentions Wolves do not count.
ember token
what counts for a dogs task:
chrome surge
guard dog is a domestic animal.
ember token
yeah thats the closest
plush gull
doggos are annoying as hecc they eat babies and bunnies and bite people
do u just cannon them in hosidius marketplace while turael skipping
when is the pride event update, why cant i watch the stream on youtube?
dry venture
when is the pride event update, why cant i watch the stream on youtube?
Never 🙏🏻
dry venture
💀 he even threw in the white prayer hands fuck off lmao
🤘 
lament peak
They're wearing their ham robes in public now, thanks North!
modern quest
Bring back the gay
plush gull
i wonder what new ace flag items will be in this year's pride event
arent the pride items missing aromantic flag
true talon
They're wearing their ham robes in public now, thanks North!
Humans against morons yea
lament peak
Ren, if you're serious, the pride event was canceled by the new CEO. It's all over reddit.
true talon
Ren, if you're serious, the pride event was canceled by the new CEO. It's all o...
i mean there was still a personal jagex pride march and event, just not one coded in game. it was still celebrated by the community and the developers. just more of an inside party than one you shout on social media or advertise.
ember token
sure but like the past 3 years there was gonna be an actual ingame event with new rewards
true talon
Yea and well it was scrapped along with new holiday events.
ember token
no?
true talon
ruinous prayers was scrapped, and so was god prayer things.
ember token
new holiday events are still happening, and they still have been happening
true talon
Holiday events not had new they are re-runs.
true talon
I dont support wasted time on any type of holiday event in games, they are just commercialization of what the holiday is meant to stand for. and there is no lore to support any in real world holidays. would be cooler if we had lore specific holidays that mattered to the world of gilenor.
if you need a holiday to be coded in the game to justify your need for attention then thats just narcissism. being given an offical event and interaction with the devs is a pretty cool privilege.
earnest marsh
Yep, if you want to celebrate, go to your friends and family irl, its what its supposed to be
plush gull
its not the event itself thats important, its the context and nuance behind it
hard axle
hear me out, we add blood ancient kit and purifying sigil to the collection log because it is odd as fuck that a unique like those aren't on the clog
same for borav
it's like adding a pet to the game and then refusing to add on log
hasty shard
if you support not wasting time, you mean the pride event should happen then, right?
Because as it stands, the ceo binned what was already developed for the event, thus wasting dev time
true talon
Because as it stands, the ceo binned what was already developed for the event, t...
well it is what it is and i hope they take the same approach to all holiday events, they have no place in video games.
tacit wharf
leagues brings in $$$
true talon
unless the lore in game supports why the people of the world is ceberating the event, however tying any in real world events to the game world is not needed. if they want to create their own holidays for the people of runescape then go ahead. but tying them to in real world events is commercializing and undermining the meaning behind the holiday.
But you already know the people who want this type of stuff to remain, wont be happy with a event that mimics their in real world view however under a different name.
hard axle
<a:catcage:1219489784481841162>
hasty shard
good thing the last pride event wasn't tied to anything and was just about helping someone get into the white knights!
lament peak
the holiday events were kinda magical as a kid
hard axle
bronze kernel
hear me out, we add blood ancient kit and purifying sigil to the collection log ...
But the 1.5K Total Level Reddit Andy who can't even pray flick out of a wet paper bag will get upset.
earnest marsh
leagues brings in $$$
Leagues is technically diffrent game then orginal osrs
cedar latch
unless the lore in game supports why the people of the world is ceberating the e...
What's all the lore behind Mortyania and the vampires, I assume you're kinda lore buff?
civic ginkgo
Why is it everytime I come into this chat, tass is saying something negative
vivid iris
My 2 cents on the update
These items were functioning as designed. So I think they just need to be balanced, instead of removing or keeping them entirely.
- The expected mechanics of items (i.e. ruby/diamond bolts, Emberlight specs) should be respected and not arbitrarily removed
- At the same time, balance them in a way that allows them to be used but not in a way that breaks the game
- Re-enable offensive drain from Emberlight, but set a cap on offensive stat reductions. This ensures the spec is still working as intended, while (especially for the pet contract) stopping people from removing a boss mechanic entirely.
- Cap ruby/diamond bolt damage to their normal max hits, so prayer gear doesn't make it a ridiculous number. This means you can still technically "cheese" the boss with bolts if you want, but is far less viable and broken than it was. I think this is reasonable because it falls in line with other bosses where ruby/diamond procs work, but it's not considered a problem or "cheese" because of how wildly inefficient and silly it is.
civic ginkgo
My 2 cents on the update
These items were functioning as designed. So I think t...
They've already changed emberlights nerf
civic ginkgo
My 2 cents on the update
These items were functioning as designed. So I think t...
We've deployed a hotfix for a bug where Emberlight/Arclight Special Attacks were reducing Yama's Strength but not his Defence.
Also, Emberlight's Stat Reduction now reduces Yama's Attack/Strength to 200 outside of Contracts. These values can be further lowered by other weapons.
civic ginkgo
Not as far as I'm aware, they haven't mentioned it
ember token
What's all the lore behind Mortyania and the vampires, I assume you're kinda lo...
he isnt a lore buff, just trying to come up with some excuse to be against holiday events - the lore reason for the events existing is that Santa, Jack Frost, Anti-Santa, Death, the Easter Bunny etc. are all actual real beings that show up around those times of the year
there's a lore channel in this discord if you have lore questions #lore-and-storylines
civic ginkgo
Imagine not wanting Santa to be real
whole chasm
i think its fair to not want politics injected into the game, why are there all these big christian events multiple times a year when christianity isnt even canon
civic ginkgo
Because all these "Christian" events have evolved past Christianity, and are now holiday events, in a more pessimistic view, they are now more about capitalism then Christianity
They can be enjoyed by anyone now, no need for it to be about Christianity, but more as times for family and friends, looking at it in a positive way
whole chasm
well if we're going to get rid of pride events for political reasons and dev time i feel we should be consistent about it and remove dev time for these other events too
civic ginkgo
This is true
I don't agree with them removing the content that they have at all
Not removing sorry, not implementing
narrow folio
defence reduction isn't capped is it?
I believe they were capped at 3 specs already
Gearscape says 145 is min defense
hasty shard
he isnt a lore buff, just trying to come up with some excuse to be against holid...
the rs3 lore is that santa and stuff come from basically a holiday planet that guthix accidentally blew up
ember token
[[rsw:renmark]]
ornate wolfBOT
Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Renmark
zenith pike
Imagine not wanting Santa to be real
that mf never gave me what I wanted
civic ginkgo
that mf never gave me what I wanted
Find Santa and get what you want
zenith pike
Find Santa and get what you want
I did and now i owe him child support
plush gull
christmas is anti lgbt, replace christmas with pride event
was last xmas event the dog one
vivid ruin
^ that will never happen. Christmas will always take precedent over a political movement
tacit wharf
christmas is anti lgbt, replace christmas with pride event
❓
plush gull
btw why cant i watch the pride stream on youtube, i didnt make it
tacit wharf
probably because it wasnt an official event and just a jmods passion event
ember token
they privated the videos
quartz anchor
btw why cant i watch the pride stream on youtube, i didnt make it
It's on twitch vods
merry sage
Is there a place to report a bug and i can attach a picture?
merry sage
Ty @sacred oracle Idk if its just my account But if you click on crafting skill in skill tab it shows theiving. So i wanted to just screenshot that as proof if anything.
Happend after last update
tiny epoch
thats a known issue
iron hinge
I found a bug since the latest update
fossil epoch
There is many, which one is it?
iron hinge
Crafting menu
fossil epoch
that is the most found one yeh
iron hinge
okay ty
fossil epoch
my favorite one, was that the hueycoatl caves could move
iron hinge
lmaooo
fossil epoch
iron hinge
that is amazing
willow tapir
It's kind of offensive and misleading that the official OSRS server still uses the Pride logo, given the official stance, isn't it?
restive siren
not really
slender vapor
Why?
slender vapor
Not you
fair comet
It's kind of offensive and misleading that the official OSRS server still uses t...
How is that offensive and misleading? Those are some strong words
willow tapir
Now that the dev company is publicly catering to the far-right crowd, they are making the game more unsafe for LGBTQ+ people. A new player could see the logo and mistakenly think it's the other way around.
restive siren
It was neither public nor the entire company. If the leaks are true the entire dev team disagreed with that decision and so does a majority of people in here
If you cant differentiate between the stupid actions of one single person and the entire games community suddenly being homophobic and making the game "unsafe" idk what to tell you
willow tapir
It was neither public nor the entire company. If the leaks are true the entire d...
I know that, but in the end is the CEO who makes the calls, and the official message he wants to give is very clear. The developer (or the CEO, if you prefer) is trying to attract certain type of players and IMO they will make the game less safe for minorities because of it. That's why, in my opinion, having this logo in the official server is misleading.
slender vapor
It feels like you're shadow boxing with your own inner demons more than reality
restive siren
There is no clear message or attempt to attract anyone, this is all your headcanon. If there was a clear message, this would have been a public statement (which it was not), there would have been no pride parade, the discord wouldnt have changed in the first place, items would have been removed from the game
One guy made a dumb call out of fear of the political climate, i can see how that upsets people but why would you make the dozens of other employees and thousands of people in here who support the cause suffer from that
If you want to send a message cancel your sub or go to twitter, let the people in here show their support
willow tapir
Ok, my bad. My post was based on what I read that this year's pride event was cancelled even when all the content was already developed. Doing such a thing would have sent a powerful anti-LGBTQ+ political message that could attract certain kind of players. I'm glad to hear I was wrong.
compact flicker
That does look funny
restive siren
Ok, my bad. My post was based on what I read that this year's pride event was ca...
No worries, it was a very bad call and a lot of people are understandably very angry about it but i think we should look at it with a bit more nuance
fossil epoch
Personally i didnt like them adding the pride event to the game, but thats because i also dont like them doing all the other events.
I dont like them adding content to the game thats time locked, so if you miss out on it, that content is just gone forever(while still being able to get the cosmetics next year)
If there was like a portal that made you able to do all the past events that fine, but just deleting content thats made every year, i have never been a fan of.
And when they started with the pride event, that opened up for the posibility of adding more events like that in the future, which luckily they havent done.
TLDR: dont like content thats deleted later on
dull acorn
Clearly instead of a one-off event for the duration of pride, they should just add a new increasingly queer quest to the game every june and just keep it there.
meager flame
tbh
i think i'd rather just see jagex donate to causes they care about and make something happen in real life while also never doing anything like that in game in general
sounds selfish but i honestly dont really want to get in game just to watch people argue about what they think about gay people etc and that's what it really is every time
even if i do personally support them being treated equally and all of that it just turns into some bullshit that honestly im just not really trying to read about constantly while im playing video games
it would be different if it didn't turn into a stage for people to proclaim how much they don't like lgbtq people or care about their issues and it was actually all about support but the reality is that it just turns into a battleground to watch people go back and forth online
tiny epoch
kick those people off the stage 
meager flame
they dont though
hasty shard
i genuinely think nothing much would have happened this year if this shit didnt happen
streisand effect ahh
meager flame
i mean yeah sort of
its always bad in here every year but
this is obviously a bigger issue atm than usual
i also think they were just silly in general
they obviously want the neutral middle ground where nobody got offended for their business for obvious reasons
but lol the self awareness was low they had already joined the conversation and pulling out of it will just draw even more attention
its a pretty interesting tactic to choose a side and then pull out giving everyone on both ends of the topic a reason to dislike them
theres no way that helped them financially
dull acorn
Being able to decouple how people in reality feel about a group of people and how people in a video game feel about a group of people isn't something some of us get to do.
Corporate pride is always garbage and always negotiable, and it can be taken back at any time. But not even making that token effort makes the people who are made uncomfortable by the presence of us evil queers more comfortable and more present.
jovial sentinel
One thing i dont understand. Why do they even need to make a token effort?
dull acorn
I'm not going to have out the whole argument or anything, but whether you say something or say nothing on any 'divisive' subject, you're making a choice.
jovial sentinel
We all know its fake support. They are doing it to improve their image if they do, buisinesses dont care, they do things that increase profit.
fossil epoch
One thing i dont understand. Why do they even need to make a token effort?
it all just comes down to money
slender vapor
jovial sentinel
Im not saying they should or shouldnt, mind. Its just the reasoning. It feels like people want pandering
fossil epoch
many businesses do pride stuff because they calculate it to make them more money then it losses them
jovial sentinel
Exactly.
Thats why i asked why they need to, from the consumer who wants it's PoV
Because we know its fake
fossil epoch
Danish pride event told the businesses "if you dont allign with all our political views, you cant sponsor us" so last year majority of their sponsors withdrew, because they wanted them to publicly shame israel, because that has anything to do with pride
ended up losing the pride event a shit ton of money, so it was a worse event
business only do stuff if it increases their view in the public eyes, which in turn makes them more money
meager flame
i mean the problem at the end of the day with things like this
jovial sentinel
More people need to understand that
fossil epoch
it has nothing to do with the people working there supporting or not supporting the course
meager flame
is for some people care what jagex as a company thinks about social issues
when the only thing the company thinks is $
thats not talking about the individual jmods
but honestly
nobody should give a shit what jagex says about anything other than the video game they play
jovial sentinel
Yeah, thats just corp in general. You cant expect each person to have the same views, they just want to make a game
meager flame
its not like you're getting an unbiased and thoughtful message from them or anything
it legit means nothing
fossil epoch
It is litterally an offense if the CEO makes a decision they believe to hurt the shareholders money making
slender vapor
Not to mention in the last few years, 'woke' issues being shoved into gaming directly kills the game it's tied to, i forget the survey but it was like 80% of gamers don't want to see/hear current era politics in their games, at all.
Dragon age veilguard crashed and burned almost entirely due to that
jovial sentinel
A serious offense at that
meager flame
well of course they dont
most people playing video games are basically dissociating from reality
jovial sentinel
Its great to make games about specific types of people. Its not fine to demand everything have something, or shovel it down everyones throats
meager flame
they probably dont want reality to come knocking when they're taking time off