You can poll pvp content without asking pvmers because there's no pvmers in bh or pvp worlds
#pvp-discussion
fringe fjord
glass herald
Evolution of Combat?
elder hamlet
Treasure hunter
glass herald
Bad idea to let designers choose
elder hamlet
They do watch reddit way too much lol
fringe fjord
I don't trust people who put a 10 def req on slayer helm for the hell of it with design choices
elder hamlet
Thats how we ended up with pointless shit like holy molys
fringe fjord
They were voted into the game tho
elder hamlet
Most people just vote yes to anything that isnt pvp
We didn't get to vote on the doom spade
And i wanted that shit bad, hate wasting 1 min in chambers watching herbs go into my invent
That would of past easily
forest kraken
I’m so glad that all the irons on Reddit feel the need to give an opinion on multi pvp and how it should work
minor aspen
cant say if theres a real consensus beyond we all want multi revs. most people might be happy with just something, but if the trend continues we won't get anything updated on it for years. the game jam proposal doesnt spark joy for me like a reversion would with some slow tweaking and balancing. What are your thoughts?
rapid canopy
Feels like for most proposals in the game that would be a normal response, Jagex tweaks and readjusts some stuff, and it comes to a better proposal. But it just gets overshadowed with anti-pvp screeching so there's not even a discussion to have
forest kraken
You can’t have a pvp discussion without the 1500 total andies crying about hard clues and clans
And being downvoted to oblivion
No more polling pvp updates 👍🏼
minor aspen
I think it is a symptom of societies not understanding violence, and trying to get rid of it instead of put it in its proper place.
It probably has deeper roots in lost masculinity but that might be a subject for another space.
The movie “fight club” is very relevant
covert musk
Word..
elder hamlet
It probably has deeper roots in lost masculinity but that might be a subject for...
I dont think its that deep, people get annoyed getting bummed in wildy and feel like the only recourse they have is to vote no to everything pvp related, instead of taking time to learn how to protect themselves in the wild
forest kraken
I mean it makes sense why people would vote no. Most pvmers will never willingly engage in pvp and have no interest in it. So the only times they do engage is when they’re forced to.
Why would you vote to make something that actively punishes you more punishing
Which is why we should either get rid of every incentive for pvmers in the wildy or just don’t let them vote
Also it seems like a lot of pvpers have give up at this point. I know a bunch of people from my old clans who only come back occasionally for dmm and literally never log into the main game
It’s really a rough situation atm for multi teams and PKers in general
minor aspen
Also it seems like a lot of pvpers have give up at this point. I know a bunch of...
yeah me and a lot of friends quit after 2020ish
forest kraken
Yeah pretty much my entire clan quit a couple years ago
A year or so after multi revs removal
The only multi content is slayer cave (again, lol.) and setting up wars through word of mouth
And there’s only so many times you wanna do that before you see there’s just no support whatsoever and move to a pvp game with support
Like any moba, BR, fps, even wow lol
wooden basin
I mean it makes sense why people would vote no. Most pvmers will never willingly...
What they dont know is that pvp is actual end game of rs and not farming a raid to 3k kc
forest kraken
Yeah but the majority of players and the loudest voice is not the end game guys who dabble in PvP/raids, it’s the mid game ironmen who are doing clues for their msb and black d hides set and are getting killed over and over
And they’re the ones who are voting no to everything
And I can’t blame them, tbh as I’d probably do the same
Seems like jagex are just going in circles over and over again to try and get the pvpers and pvmers to agree on new wildy content and I just don’t see that happening
small void
how about, crazy idea, we add pvp content for pvpers and not bait to lure pvmers into the wilderness
forest kraken
Yeah I thought that’s where wrathmaw was going or whatever it was suggested
wooden basin
Wrathmaw
forest kraken
But even that failed right?
small void
of course we are going to run into the issue that nobody is going to show up for said pvp content, because most of the pvp community is just hunting pvmers with a small subsection of pvpers hunting those pvpers
forest kraken
Tbh I could talk about this all day long but I’m sure everything I’m saying has been said 100 times in here
wooden basin
Ive said this at least 40 times in the last few months
Because its the wild and the wild is an ecosystem
You choose to be bait by not prepping to anti pk
Anti pkers have the most advantage
small void
in what way?
wooden basin
Anti pkers can risk up to 3 huge items and a + 1
Pkers are scared of anti pkers in most situations
forest kraken
It’s only a preditor vs prey system because that’s how it’s been designed but it doesn’t have to be
Could have a ranked system where you have to bring a team and fight against people who wanna fight
wooden basin
Its really because theres no guides on it lol
People think you just bring an msb and blk d hide and take the L
charred thistle
Its really because theres no guides on it lol
Even when there are guides people show up naked / afking on 2nd monitor and then get mad when they die
Its crazy
elder hamlet
Idk about other pkers but when my clan and i are out if we see a skull we are hitting it
forest kraken
I’ve personally never cared about anti pking as someone who’s green logged revs and has made their own voidwaker
charred thistle
99% of the time PKers are just an attention check like old random events. Wildy player alarm is insane
wooden basin
Idk about other pkers but when my clan and i are out if we see a skull we are hi...
Yeah because more money than any pvmer
Thats how it works
elder hamlet
More fun too
Pvmers just stand there and flame instead of doing anything that might save themselves
Im saying that as some one who main pvm and dabbles in multi pking
wooden basin
There should be a warning to those unskulled when you enter the wildy "are you prepared to defend yourself?" Click no and you cant enter lol
charred thistle
There should be a warning to those unskulled when you enter the wildy "are you p...
forest kraken
I don’t totally agree with what you’re saying. You don’t need to be willing to anti pk to enjoy and engage with wildy content
wooden basin
Im partially kidding but the argument that pkers solely hunt pvmers for sport is silly
Its ignorant actually
forest kraken
Its ignorant actually
Yeah it is
rustic apex
There should be a warning to those unskulled when you enter the wildy "are you p...
Warning is already there people just turn it off.
And pkers that solely hunt pvmers run from an actual pker. There are tons of different types of players in the wildy its not just Pkers/Pvmers, this isnt black and white.
You got bots, pvmers, anit pkers, raggers, multi enjoyers, nh fiends, etc. to clump every pkers as a pvm hunter is ignorant but its probably the conclusion every pvmer has when stepping into the wilderness because it's what they run into.
The fact that there exist a group of players who only looks for pvmers is a design flaw but majority of people who pk want to fight other pkers not someone risking 50k.
I get this is what youre saying btw just adding to it
rustic apex
happens a ton but people still dont get it xD
forest kraken
I’ve been in this channel for 1 day and can already tell this is all that’s spoken about in here just on repeat 😂
rustic apex
yes
wooden basin
I want to ping a chat mod but i feel like its rude lol
forest kraken
I would enjoy it if someone came in here who disagreed
Because there must be someone
rustic apex
anyways, came in here to talk about what people think about the game jam
has it been talking about yet
the rev suggestions
wooden basin
Yeah yesterday they were chatting on it
forest kraken
Mixture of here and #game-update
forest kraken
I think most multi players like the concept and most pvmers dislike it, but everyone agrees that it’s half baked and needs a lot of work
wooden basin
I think its overall positive in this space. Could use some more changes but its a step
inner dew
i feel like reddit be blowing up but i dont touch that hivemind
i had a look, its just 'pvp bad' and 'bots bad' (as if other content doesnt also have bots)
forest kraken
I avoid Reddit at all costs
rustic apex
i had a look, its just 'pvp bad' and 'bots bad' (as if other content doesnt also...
Majority of the botted spaces is content geared towards irons 
atleast wildy content you can slow down their progress
rustic apex
I avoid Reddit at all costs
I couldnt even talk about the podcast with torvesta and skillspecs without getting flamed for liking pvp lmfao.
forest kraken
Exactly. You just have to engage with Reddit for 10 minutes and it’ll be clear as day why these pvp updates should not be getting polled
bright otter
Which is why we should either get rid of every incentive for pvmers in the wildy...
Fwiw as a pvmer I keep saying the solution to all of this is just to take all of the uniques/clogs out of the wilderness (or offer worse alternatives for them all outside of it). You can leave all the good GP/hr stuff.
Alternatively just make irons uninteractable in the wilderness but they can’t vote for anything PvP related and their wilderness uniques are untradeable (can’t be drop traded)
Done & fixed, do whatever you want with the wild
wooden basin
Vw alternative is arkon
forest kraken
Yeah having pvm incentives in the wilderness has just never worked out well
wooden basin
Ish
forest kraken
And it doesn’t make much sense anyway. Why are you getting a pvm spec weapon from engaging in PvP content?
glacial gate
Weird mixture revs is a cool idea and i mess w/ anything for the multi hotspot aspect.
Now lets make it so you cant tele out and theres only 20 worlds to do it on!
forest kraken
Shouldn’t you get pvp gear from pvp and pvm gear from pvm
inner dew
voidwaker is pvp weapon
forest kraken
It’s a pvp weapon that is coincidentally also insanely good in pvm
bright otter
( see rune rocks )
yes but they added rune rocks and rune drops to non wilderness very quickly. yes the wildy rune rocks were the best spot but they weren’t the only option like they are for many current wildy uniques
inner dew
u can buy vw in ge
wooden basin
Its basically irons that bitch about content in wild
forest kraken
u can buy vw in ge
But we already established that the people voting no are the irons or collection loggers who can’t just ‘buy it from the GE’
bright otter
Its basically irons that bitch about content in wild
Like it or not irons make up a lot of the game now. There is a way to make this not an issue.
inner dew
you can deiron
wooden basin
Irons probably shouldnt be able to vote on core game issues because the game isnt a single player game
forest kraken
This guy is rage baiting
winged thorn
yes but they added rune rocks and rune drops to non wilderness very quickly. yes...
My point was that having no incentive to go to the wild will just leave it worse than it is. Incentives have always been there, imo they’re lackluster these days.
wooden basin
Irons honestly should have their own serves with their own rules to vote uppon
inner dew
if the restricted mode is too restrictive for u, whats the point of playing it. there is zero way for one person to say how restrictive it should be, there are literally irons who pvp
rustic apex
Fwiw as a pvmer I keep saying the solution to all of this is just to take all of...
This is a bandaid fix because its not just an iron issue. Sure irons make a large part of the anti pk vibe but i know plenty of irons that still love the risk reward of the wildy space who anti pk all the time.
I think its simply the level of entry into pvp being a lot to grasp for majority of the player base.
This might be a hot take but genuinly believe if we had proper "Official Account Builds" more people would feel inclined to try out pvp builds and attempt to learn how to pk making votes much better for pvp
forest kraken
if the restricted mode is too restrictive for u, whats the point of playing it. ...
I’m unsure what your point even is here so I just won’t respond
inner dew
I’m unsure what your point even is here so I just won’t respond
the point is u can deiron if the mode that doesnt let u use ge is unfun because u want to use ge
wooden basin
Talking about irons
winged thorn
O_O
bright otter
This is a bandaid fix because its not just an iron issue. Sure irons make a larg...
I hear what you’re saying but I don’t think that most people who are anti pvp and complaining are interested in learning PvP mechanics. Having ways to learn doesn’t fix the problem, they won’t use it.
glacial gate
I could tell your ranks included ironman without even clicking you.
inner dew
plays restricted account, complains when its restricted
forest kraken
plays restricted account, complains when its restricted
No one’s complaining though
I’m just stating facts
Irons willl vote no that’s a fact
You can say deiron but that won’t change anything
inner dew
i dont believe in polling
forest kraken
Yeah neither do I
winged thorn
Hcim on Reddit crying becuase they can’t safe spot revs anymore
wooden basin
Irons probably shouldnt be able to vote on core game issues because the game isnt a single player game. Irons should have their own serves with their own rules to vote on
winged thorn
I don’t feel bad for them tbh
Heaven forbid the wilderness is made dangerous again lmfao
forest kraken
Irons probably shouldnt be able to vote on core game issues because the game isn...
Idk about having their own servers but yeah irons votes should count for less
winged thorn
Remember when craw bow on a hcim was a flex?
inner dew
Irons probably shouldnt be able to vote on core game issues because the game isn...
they can just deiron and buy a vw then continue playing as an iron
there is literally nothing stopping them
winged thorn
If we continue to let the wildy be dumbed down it won’t be lmfao
glacial gate
if we only had like 20 wilderness worlds i wouldnt mind the 6 second hop timer tbh
forest kraken
they can just deiron and buy a vw then continue playing as an iron
This is another reason why we can’t have a good pvp discussion
Because w get people with reading comprehension and critical thinking ability of a 12 year old giving their opinion
‘Just deiron’ :pepega:
rustic apex
I hear what you’re saying but I don’t think that most people who are anti pvp an...
ofc, but if we could get people who are on the fence interested in something as niche as pking with making it official it could work. Ironman was once a niche playstyle but making it official made it mainstream now every new player is an iron because its the only game mode thats official. But it's not the only restricted account playstyle. Pking is the OG restricted playstyle that brought us osrs back to begin with.
inner dew
‘Just deiron’ :pepega:
ohhh u lose an icon next to ur name, tragic
wooden basin
ohhh u lose an icon next to ur name, tragic
His point is that it wont happen
rustic apex
The clogging system made iron irrelevant to me the only appeal is the Badge lmao
wooden basin
People use ironman mode like some kind of trophy account
inner dew
well yeah because those ppl are playing a specific mode to flex how good they are, but arent actually willing to put in the effort
asking for the game to handhold the mode that is supposed to be difficult, make it make sense
forest kraken
ohhh u lose an icon next to ur name, tragic
This is funny
bright otter
Can someone ping a mod and ban this rage baiter
wooden basin
They arent even good, they just spend more time in game
forest kraken
asking for the game to handhold the mode that is supposed to be difficult, make ...
None of us are saying that
You’re literally just rage baiting
inner dew
nope, its true
winged thorn
Unbiased but idk if he’s rly rage baiting. I get how the “just deiron, it’s a badge” could be viewed that way
But it’s also an opinion
inner dew
ironman exists without having a badge beside ur name, im pretty sure its existed years before it was official
forest kraken
Unbiased but idk if he’s rly rage baiting. I get how the “just deiron, it’s a ba...
It’s rage bait because no one’s defending these irons but he’s making it out like we are
winged thorn
Just like “PvP should be removed reee!” is also an opinion lol
winged thorn
It’s rage bait because no one’s defending these irons but he’s making it out lik...
Sure that’s fair, maybe just acknowledging that those people do exist could move the convo along tho
rustic apex
i cant even tell who's being accused of ragebaiting
it all seems so normal to me because i spent so much time reading stuff on reddit
forest kraken
We’re all in agreement that the game should not be catered around irons
But saying ‘just deiron’ is so dumb
rustic apex
i say that to my friends all the time when they cry about wanting better drop rates
inner dew
its ragebait to point out that the game doesnt revolve around ironman mode and its purely optional
winged thorn
It feels like every rare-ish item is being replaced by some mid tier knock off version of it for mid game irons
rustic apex
well, yea
winged thorn
It’s very boring these days reading anything
That’s coming into the game
Gz eveyone on your lvl 40 ranged blowpipe or w/e lol
Get to scaping
rustic apex
used to be hype when things werent polled and we didnt know what was already coming
forest kraken
I would love to see more content aimed at normal accounts
But there’s so many irons these days I think jagex wants to cater to them
winged thorn
It feels like every rare-ish item is being replaced by some mid tier knock off v...
With this obviously being the case, why can’t irons just wait until their craw bow replacement & korasi replacement eventually comes within the next 6 months lmfa0
bright otter
its ragebait to point out that the game doesnt revolve around ironman mode and i...
it’s ragebait because no one is actually going to do that and irons are going to continue to mass vote no against wilderness content until we decide to actually back solutions that make sense for everyone
inner dew
it’s ragebait because no one is actually going to do that and irons are going to...
literally everyone who isnt an ironman is not playing the iron man mode actually
bright otter
And you know that. No one is just “going to deiron”. You know it. You’re just baiting.
forest kraken
I’ve set him to ignore he’s not bringing any value to the conversation and just repeating the same baiting points
bright otter
how about we “just remove the wildy”. If I said that you’d think I’m rage baiting because it’s stupid. That’s what you’re doing
glass herald
Moving everything out of the wild is nonsense
winged thorn
it’s ragebait because no one is actually going to do that and irons are going to...
Unfortunately, there will always be a loser in PvP. Do you think people want to lose? & do you think there’s a solution where people are happy losing?
glass herald
There has to be risk vs reward
forest kraken
Unfortunately, there will always be a loser in PvP. Do you think people *want* t...
I think revs is a great example of people being happy losing
inner dew
apparently its impossible for ironmen to step into the wildy, TIL
winged thorn
The wilderness & PvP as a whole isn’t fair
forest kraken
Because you’re still making a ton of gold even if you die every few trips
winged thorn
I think revs is a great example of people being happy losing
I think in 2026 I can do a lot of things outside of the wild, make more, & not die
Back in 2020, I’d agree with you
forest kraken
Yeah that’s true for sure
rustic apex
the reason it isnt fair is the skill curve being insane and not enough new people coming in. I fight the same people every day
forest kraken
But I think that’s just a wildy content being out of date issue and the wildy needing more love
winged thorn
People had an aneurism when I said this a few weeks ago
But wildy content doesn’t compete with other money makers
Turning in larran’s keys is like your best bet somehow for gp/hr lmfao
rustic apex
unless you pk other pkers most pvm is better rates of gp/hr
winged thorn
If you want people to engage & be happy with dying, you have to make it worth the trip imo
winged thorn
unless you pk other pkers most pvm is better rates of gp/hr
Yep, so why go wildy? The logic to avoid it makes complete sense
rustic apex
whats a solution to that than? surely not pvm in the wildy
glass herald
whats a solution to that than? surely not pvm in the wildy
No remove all pvm from wildy
winged thorn
Then what?
glass herald
winged thorn
Oh you’re being sarcastic, my bad haha
glass herald
No wei gifs disabled
winged thorn
Pvm in wild is also for pkers so that logic is crazy
Yeah, these folks must’ve never bear massed lmfao
forest kraken
Wasn’t this what wrathmaw was going to be tho? A pvm boss for pvpers to fight over than was crazy gp/hr
bright otter
there should be high gp/hr methods in the wilderness for sure. They just shouldn’t specifically be wilderness-locked uniques or clogs
forest kraken
And that got voted out
rustic apex
I think its great i just dont think we need more of it
winged thorn
there should be high gp/hr methods in the wilderness for sure. They just shouldn...
Why don’t irons want a challenge that’s more than “sit at this boss until your get rng”
You can do that anywhere else outside of wild
wooden basin
there should be high gp/hr methods in the wilderness for sure. They just shouldn...
That still doesnt make sense lol
bright otter
That still doesnt make sense lol
Why?
wooden basin
Why is scythe locked behind tob
inner dew
i shouldnt need 99 sailing for max cape because i am a land-locked acc
wooden basin
Exactly lmfao
winged thorn
YO!
rustic apex
if its not going to be clogged it shouldnt be worth anything. look at bh rewards
winged thorn
I need claws from revs NOW
bright otter
lol k nvm this isn’t in good faith
wooden basin
Clog is meaningless anyways i dont get how thats used in any argument
winged thorn
What item are even a necessity for an iron to go to wildy
bright otter
Enjoy the no votes boys
forest kraken
What item are even a necessity for an iron to go to wildy
Ma2 and VW
winged thorn
That’s a luxury
forest kraken
I don’t think so
glass herald
Vw is a luxury for sure
forest kraken
It’s a pretty core part of iron progression these days
wooden basin
Lol
glass herald
How?
inner dew
Clog is meaningless anyways i dont get how thats used in any argument
especially since theres literally nothing stopping ironman accs from entering wildy and doing all the content
winged thorn
Guaranteed damage
glass herald
Tell me what content do you need vw for
rustic apex
what do you even use it for in pvm apart from niche places that other options are available
glass herald
It is not?
glass herald
Like what
rustic apex
Hammer/bgs is best spec
forest kraken
You’re all wrong look at ladlor’s efficient chart if you don’t believe me
It’s on the route
glass herald
99% of content you’ll maul/bgs
winged thorn
Idk who that is bro
And like tbh
Why?
Play the mmo how you wanna play the mmo
Lmfa0000
wooden basin
Its in bros guide so its a requirement?
glass herald
Name one piece of content that’s not doable without vw
winged thorn
Like WHAT
forest kraken
Name one piece of content that’s not doable without vw
Stupid argument
You don’t need any mega rares to do any content either
So shall we just get rid of them?
winged thorn
That’s not the argument
forest kraken
No point going for it it’s not needed
wooden basin
No one is saying get rid lol
rustic apex
its not bis in pvm as it is in pvp
inner dew
howd this ironman get a vw, must be a private server
wooden basin
The point is that wildy content is not a requirement for anything. Maybe ma2 cape but you can get that easily
forest kraken
The you could argue anyting over msb is a luxury
glass herald
Nice ragebait
wooden basin
You cant do inferno with msb
rustic apex
vw is hard to get just like any other piece of end game content
wooden basin
Or colo
rustic apex
just a diff flavor of difficulty
winged thorn
The you could argue anyting over msb is a luxury
forest kraken
You cant do inferno with msb
You can do inferno and Colo with no overheads
wooden basin
You cant kill levi with msb
forest kraken
So now anything over 1 prayer is a luxury too?
wooden basin
U wot
winged thorn
So now anything over 1 prayer is a luxury too?
wooden basin
.........
winged thorn
wooden basin
Am i alone here
forest kraken
You’re saying voidwaker is a luxury
wooden basin
It is
rustic apex
it is
forest kraken
I’m saying it’s a core part of pvm progression for irons
rustic apex
its not
wooden basin
You can not own a vw and complete all parts of the game with ease
rustic apex
where do you find vw better than other options?
inner dew
vw is core part of progression for irons but also its impossible to get, interesting
forest kraken
where do you find vw better than other options?
Not engaging, look at the chart
wooden basin
My buddy has a maxed out ironman acc, just got his last megarare. Still doesnt own a vw
rustic apex
still makes no sesne unless youre a clogger
forest kraken
My buddy has a maxed out ironman acc, just got his last megarare. Still doesnt o...
That solves it then! Good job your buddy figured it out for us
winged thorn
Ok anyways
wooden basin
1 sec
forest kraken
still makes no sesne unless youre a clogger
The chart isn’t for clogging 🤦
rustic apex
than its just wrong
winged thorn
I think if you’re brave enough to go wild and get voidwaker as an Ironman you should be able to flex it
wooden basin
Heres bluds iron acc
winged thorn
Removing it devalues all irons who did so lol
rustic apex
like we said maul/bgs > everything else in 99% of content
winged thorn
It just funny to me
forest kraken
Good thing we got junior on the case he’s going to argue why vw is bad against the entire iron community
wooden basin
Vw is not a requirement
inner dew
u should spawn with a vw in ur invy after tutorial island if u pick ironman
forest kraken
glass herald
Damn man my 2.1k total iron cant progress anymore cause I don’t have a vw guys
Im quitting
glass herald
No sorry i refuse to do wildy content
bright otter
Can you guys tell me what your issue would be with moving the voidwaker to outside the wild and replacing it with higher value drops that aren’t uniques on the boss tables? Like emblems etc
glass herald
The game stops me from crossing the ditch
wooden basin
Bclaws is fine
winged thorn
Can you guys tell me what your issue would be with moving the voidwaker to outsi...
Because the wildy has always had unique items. Keep it that way?
glass herald
Can you guys tell me what your issue would be with moving the voidwaker to outsi...
Where does vw shine?
wooden basin
I love bclaws as a main
bright otter
Because the wildy has always had unique items. Keep it that way?
But why?
bright otter
Where does vw shine?
Not what I asked
bright otter
That’s not really an argument
winged thorn
Only NOW do people want to change it
glass herald
Not what I asked
The world isnt only about u im the one asking
Where does vw shine?
bright otter
Is the answer that you want to kill people who are hunting uniques? It’s a fair answer
wooden basin
Moving vw outside of wildy isnt even an argument or question
winged thorn
Is the answer that you want to kill people who are hunting uniques? It’s a fair ...
I want people to go to the wild
inner dew
wildy should have no content and 1m gp just spawns occasionally for u to pick up
bright otter
So yes.
glass herald
Tbow spawns in wild like farming guild?
winged thorn
Uniques do a good job of doing that
bright otter
So does GP tho
bright otter
I don’t
wooden basin
I feel my brain rotting from this debate
bright otter
I think they make total sense
imagine if wildy bosses had the best GP/hr (with no uniques) in the game
rustic apex
its literally just bot farms at pirates
bright otter
You’d get tons of activity and people to kill there
forest kraken
Where does vw shine?
As an iron you’d want vw for:
vardvorvis
toa
nex
awakned bosses
bright otter
I don’t see what the issue is with that unless you specifically want to just kill people hunting uniques
glass herald
As an iron you’d want vw for:
vardvorvis
toa
nex
awakned bosses
I didnt ask as an iron
inner dew
yea i love having fewer interesting unique items in my rpg sandbox game
glass herald
Im asking the design of the weapon
bright otter
yea i love having fewer interesting unique items in my rpg sandbox game
You are dodging the question because I’m right, gonna block you buddy bye
forest kraken
Claws > VW - Vard
DDS > VW - TOA
Junior bro
glass herald
The fact you don’t know the answer to that says enough
forest kraken
I know the highest you’ve done is a 150 toa
glass herald
The VW shines in PvP
rustic apex
550 actually
glass herald
Where do you get it? In PvP area
rustic apex
on a zerker
inner dew
I don’t see what the issue is with that unless you specifically want to just kil...
does the rest of the game lack weapons? iirc ur problem is that a grand total of 2 unique items come from wildy out of how many in the game?
forest kraken
DDs > VW at toa
glass herald
Scythe pwns in ToB, where do you get it? ToB
forest kraken
😁😂😂😂😂
glass herald
Shadow pwns in ToA, where do you get it?
rustic apex
id agree though nex is like the only spot where i feel vw is bis
glass herald
ToA
rustic apex
the ONLY spot
forest kraken
Great
glass herald
The game follows the same pattern but cuz its the wild you cry
forest kraken
And what’s your point
glass herald
Legit makes no sense
forest kraken
Because I’d agree with that
winged thorn
I don’t see what the issue is with that unless you specifically want to just kil...
I don’t disagree, the idea that people are “catching” pvmers with uniques in their looting bag is fairly rare. But if you remove a unique, making it so irons are removed from the equation, you’re essentially reducing the potential food chain by over half, considering they are the player base
inner dew
what sucks is having to enter wildy to fight other ppl, what if we could just kill anybody anywhere...
winged thorn
I’m not hunting pvmers specifically. I think I speak for most wildy enjoyers when I say: I click white dot until it turns red
glass herald
Osrs shud be like dmm perm
rustic apex
VW should stay in wildy because its bis for pkers not for niche content that iron MUST have.
forest kraken
VW should stay in wildy because its bis for pkers not for niche content that iro...
How have you gotten to this conclusion from your points LMFAO
bright otter
I don’t disagree, the idea that people are “catching” pvmers with uniques in the...
Fwi it’s not about being caught with uniques it’s just about being constantly hunted and killed for shit sets by people hunting PVMers who specifically want uniques and not money
forest kraken
all you’ve said is that voidwaker is only bis at Nex, therefore it’s useless for irons
??????????
glass herald
Ttyl
rustic apex
hahaha hes mad.
inner dew
how are u dying for a voidwaker when u can protect 4 items on death?
forest kraken
I’m just amazed that you’re this dense
winged thorn
Fwi it’s not about being caught with uniques it’s just about being constantly hu...
Sure, but still the population reduction in irons entering Wildy is a nothing burger?
forest kraken
It really doesn’t make any sense to me
winged thorn
Sure, but still the population reduction in irons entering Wildy is a nothing bu...
If uniques were to be removed?
bright otter
Sure, but still the population reduction in irons entering Wildy is a nothing bu...
I feel that would be offset if we turned up the GP/hr at these places
Like I said, I would be fine if the wilderness had the best GP/hr in the game if there were no uniques
rustic apex
nah youre just missing the point. just saying vw is fine in wildy its not all that essential for non pkers to have
inner dew
remove vw from wildy so that the irons who dont enter wildy out of spite, will continue to not enter it out of spite. huge progress, wildy saved
winged thorn
remove vw from wildy so that the irons who dont enter wildy out of spite, will c...
This is really it
We’re kinda just enabling
forest kraken
nah youre just missing the point. just saying vw is fine in wildy its not all th...
I mean I agree but the way you got there is mind blowing
winged thorn
By removing it
minor aspen
irons love gp too
winged thorn
No problem, go join a bear mass like the rest of us
rustic apex
thats the part i dont agree with but sure
rustic apex
and thats fine
forest kraken
Against the entire iron community
winged thorn
I mean I don’t agree either but who cares?
It’s the same as an iron saying they don’t agree with manked revs charges
forest kraken
No it’s not
Voidwaker is factually a core part of iron progression
And that’s a fact
rustic apex
more than a pkers?
winged thorn
It is a fact though, that the entire PvP community would like revs to return multi in some sort of fashion
rustic apex
^
winged thorn
Yet, irons have the say
forest kraken
I agree with that too
But that’s not what you’re saying
You’re saying vw is not a core part of iron progression
Well yes, it is
winged thorn
I don’t really care about an irons progression
rustic apex
Pkers are the minority now. used to be the other way around ironmen were a minority but they get bagdes next to their name now so
inner dew
IDK guys the hcim players said not dying is crucial to their progression, and the wildy might kill them so we have to do away with it
winged thorn
They should play the game they want to play it, & not based on some 150 step to your perfect Ironman guide
forest kraken
Pkers are the minority now. used to be the other way around ironmen were a minor...
Why are you making this a pker vs iron thing
When both things are true
rustic apex
i havnt
forest kraken
Yes voidwaker is core iron progression and yes there should be uniques in the wildy that pvpers want
They’re not a separate conflicting thing
winged thorn
True omg we’ve come to the easiest solution
Are you ready?
Make voidwaker not work outside of pvp
Make rev weapons only work in wild
OMG!
forest kraken
Don’t think the player base would take that well but
bright otter
Yet, irons have the say
This is the game we choose to play. The players all get a say. The best way to solve this is to come up with solutions that work for everyone
forest kraken
One possible solution for sure
wooden basin
Solution: give irons 6 worlds that they can play on without the rest of the playerbase and give them there own rules.
rustic apex
Why are you making this a pker vs iron thing
This was a response to pvp community for sure getting voted no to on the proposed rev change.
wooden basin
That way they can stop trying to break main game
winged thorn
This is the game we choose to play. The players all get a say. The best way to s...
I asked this earlier. What kind of solution do you propose that’s fair? People die & lose in wildy. There will never be a “fair” update
rustic apex
as in were outnumbered
forest kraken
This was a response to pvp community for sure getting voted no to on the propose...
But that should be addressed separately, saying that irons shouldn’t want voidwaker because ‘it’s for pvpers’ is honestly one of the most stupid arguments I’ve seen in a long time
Because it’s just complete bullshit
inner dew
Solution: give irons 6 worlds that they can play on without the rest of the play...
yes and let the irons spawn in whatever items they want, because they feel some content is too difficult
winged thorn
Don’t think the player base would take that well but
Yeah you’d hope “integrity changes” would be “integrity” “changes”
inner dew
::give voidwaker
wooden basin
Korassi had always been a pvper weapon. Actually its an anti pker weapon tbf
It just so happens to be useful elsewhere
But not required even for a second
rustic apex
no one is saying that. ofc you want it but its fine in the wildy where its intended purpose was for pvp not pvm. If ironmen want it thats ok shouldnt be made easier to get just because its core for irons
forest kraken
Maybe they’ll make vw obsolete for pvm with a mega rare spec weapon from raids 4
winged thorn
Like I said
Everything is replaced with low tier slop anyways
You’ll get a lvl 67 slayer boss or somet that drops you something similar soon enough
forest kraken
no one is saying that. ofc you want it but its fine in the wildy where its inten...
We both agree atp
bright otter
I asked this earlier. What kind of solution do you propose that’s fair? People d...
Once again I say, the best way to make everyone happy is to take uniques out of the wilderness (or at least offer ways to get them elsewhere) and crank up the GP/hr at wilderness content. Hell, it can be multi revs, who cares? Encourage people to lean into the risk/reward of the wilderness by it being the best possible money making in the game, and in exchange, gives irons a path to not have to go there unless they want that GP. Imo almost everyone would vote for this solution, except people like you who “just thinks uniques should be in the wild because they always have been”
wooden basin
Once again I say, the best way to make everyone happy is to take uniques out of ...
You literally cannot do anything to make everyone happy. You change 1 core part of the game, people will be mad regardless.
bright otter
You literally cannot do anything to make everyone happy. You change 1 core part ...
I agree but I feel like what I just said is pretty close ?
bright otter
How is that taking content from clans lol
wooden basin
Its close in your mind because you arent a part of the scene
When my clan goes to callisto. A vw piece drop is what we look for
If not pet
For those who have pet, we want a vw piece
Thats a part of how the ecosystem works
winged thorn
Damn do uniques include pets too?
bright otter
You want a vw piece because it’s valuable
rustic apex
Once again I say, the best way to make everyone happy is to take uniques out of ...
Not mine but this was posted a while back and its similar to what youre cooking up but better
Move wilderness PVP to ~30 dedicated worlds
Reduce standard drops from activities down to 0 or near-0 for non PVP worlds
Disable or dramatically reduce wildy activities on non PVP worlds (agility course, dark crab, rogue's chest, chins, chaos altar)
Keep unique drop rates the same on all worlds
This would:
Create scarcity in the wilderness bringing back high value and risk/reward to the wilderness
Push all the PVPers together so they can finally fight like they want to
Dramatically reduce the resources that are printed by the wildy and bots
Give Jagex some breathing room so they can add new worlds without messing with pvp
Make wildy clues way less awful
Give irons, cloggers and pvmers an easier time hunting a vw or pets while also reducing its profitability
winged thorn
Breh
inner dew
irons are forced to farm vw, there is simply no other way to play ironman mode. truly sad
winged thorn
I mean I can kinda understand
brazen fox
Not mine but this was posted a while back and its similar to what youre cooking ...
Uniques the same nty
forest kraken
I get where he’s coming from that if you remove the incentive for pvmers to go to the wildy then they will leave the voting alone and things might pass
brazen fox
5m voidwaker incoming
winged thorn
Taking away dopamine from uniques in wildy would be depressing tbh
forest kraken
I’m just not convinced that’s the right solution
bright otter
Just stop this debate is pointless
It’s ok, you can just admit it, you just want to kill irons to torture them
winged thorn
Like irons love that shit
rustic apex
5m voidwaker incoming
isnt blade already 5m xD
wooden basin
It’s ok, you can just admit it, you just want to kill irons to torture them
Its fun, but no i can go without the monk robe keys tyvm
winged thorn
Well I tend to mace them when they are in full crystal for their crystal helm
My bad
brazen fox
Yh now imagine they can farm that safely
bright otter
I’m literally suggesting replacing those drops with better drops for more money and you’re saying no
winged thorn
I’m literally suggesting replacing those drops with better drops for more money ...
Would removing unique include pets too
brazen fox
Why would u like
wooden basin
Removing uniques from wild is a stupid idea
bright otter
Would removing unique include pets too
Idk I don’t have enough of an opinion, let them vote
brazen fox
Allow ppl to farm that raw gp safely
winged thorn
Oh dear
brazen fox
I don’t rly get it
brazen fox
Yeah let them vote tbh unironically
inner dew
we need more ppl who have zero desire to enter the wilderness ever, to dictate what the wildy should look like
winged thorn
I’m sure that’ll work out fine 
bright otter
Once again I’m just trying to offer ideas that these irons you guys hate will actually vote yes to but seems you guys are fine just leaving it bad
brazen fox
A big upside to having this channel in the main discord is we can talk about this stuff
wooden basin
Singleplayer mode voting on multiplayer game mechanics ooooof
brazen fox
Pvmers might read it and realise actually we prefer to not hit pvmers
And if everything is condensed we will fight each other
And they stop ragging votes
Ez
forest kraken
I’m literally suggesting replacing those drops with better drops for more money ...
The wildy relies on those uniques to fuel its ecosystem without the uniques then the wildy would probably die
winged thorn
Irons already dictate the game already. Let the people who PvP, have the experience in wildy, help dictate what is best
bright otter
Pvmers might read it and realise actually we prefer to not hit pvmers
Ok so do you support just making the wild only pvp on some worlds?
wooden basin
Hell no
bright otter
I don’t but just curious if you do since it aligns with what you said
brazen fox
Ok so do you support just making the wild only pvp on some worlds?
I’m undecided but I’m not totally against it as long as wildy is inaccessible completely on other worlds
winged thorn
Meaning some worlds the wild is completely safe? Or completely unusable
brazen fox
Unusable
wooden basin
Close the wildy on every world except 20 or so
winged thorn
If it’s unusable, we all agree
brazen fox
Nah cuz then it’s weird u can run around not attack anything
rustic apex
gotta let them have something
inner dew
yeah we need to make a whole server so that timmy doesnt risk losing a spade
rustic apex
i think clue steps shouldnt even be a thing unless the entire clue is all wildy steps
bright otter
yikes
winged thorn
Yikes what?
Reduce world wildy is accessible in has been a cry for a while now from PvP community
rustic apex
yeah we need to make a whole server so that timmy doesnt risk losing a spade
dude have you heard how loud they are about this. they think were all after their spade
winged thorn
When Jagex released all these worlds I thought they said they’d keep an eye on wildy activity
forest kraken
Reduce world wildy is accessible in has been a cry for a while now from PvP comm...
More so to reduce the worlds not in any way give irons free access
So they can find people quiver
Quicker*
brazen fox
Hopping is so unfun
rustic apex
When Jagex released all these worlds I thought they said they’d keep an eye on w...
they did mention they were aware of the impact it was going to have, so they know
forest kraken
Giving irons free accesss is a bad idea
brazen fox
Imagine ur an iron and u need to grind facegaurd
rustic apex
probably just dont care
brazen fox
But u have to wait an hour before u find a basilisk
winged thorn
they did mention they were aware of the impact it was going to have, so they kno...
Mentioned that months ago 
bright otter
Just feels like you guys have no solutions that have any chance of ever actually making their way into the game because you have no interest in giving an inch of ground to the other side 🤷♂️
brazen fox
That’s what we’re dealing with
winged thorn
probably just dont care
True
forest kraken
Just feels like you guys have no solutions that have any chance of ever actually...
I don’t think anyone has proposed a solution that benefits everyone and there will always be a side that cries
Especially not your solution because that posses off every pker who likes hunting irons
wooden basin
Just feels like you guys have no solutions that have any chance of ever actually...
Theres no give when all theres been is take
rustic apex
thats an issue with everything though
brazen fox
All 4 of them
rustic apex
not just pvp content
wooden basin
You dont get it lol
winged thorn
Just feels like you guys have no solutions that have any chance of ever actually...
I think it’s just a slippery slope when you say “remove all uniques from wildy problem solved!” where does that leave Pets? Larrans keys? Which provided Dagon Hai robes that are PvP robes! It just snowballs so fast.
brazen fox
not just pvp content
Yh but the thing with pvp content is if u piss one side off they’ll vote no
wooden basin
Craws bow, sceptre, etc
inner dew
i cant believe i get killed by other players when i enter the part of the map that is dedicated to being a pvp zone, how could that possibly happen
brazen fox
If u piss off a pyre fiend he don’t have voting rights
inner dew
can we fix this
rustic apex
Yh but the thing with pvp content is if u piss one side off they’ll vote no
too late xD
forest kraken
Yh but the thing with pvp content is if u piss one side off they’ll vote no
There’s less pvpers to it’s easier to ignore them and keep the irons happy
Is the unfortunate truth rn
bright otter
I think it’s just a slippery slope when you say “remove all uniques from wildy p...
Listen I agree with that and I think all of the individual items should be discussed but I can’t cover them all in a chat message. I’m just like, as a non PKer trying to come to the table with stuff that people like me may actually vote yes to that wouldn’t just kill the wilderness
wooden basin
Listen I agree with that and I think all of the individual items should be discu...
The problem is you shouldnt be able to vote on wildy stuff if you dont like it or participate
winged thorn
Listen I agree with that and I think all of the individual items should be discu...
Do you think it’s possible that the majority just want PvP to die, & that no matter what we “give them” that’s how they’ll always behave?
bright otter
The problem is you shouldnt be able to vote on wildy stuff if you dont like it o...
Brother respectfully this isn’t changing so it doesn’t matter
winged thorn
I think most of our issue is it’s all spited
wooden basin
Brother respectfully this isn’t changing so it doesn’t matter
Maybe it will. You'll become an opinion vote in the future
brazen fox
There’s less pvpers to it’s easier to ignore them and keep the irons happy
Yh but imo the issue is that the no voters dont get why things r suggested
bright otter
Do you think it’s possible that the majority just want PvP to die, & that no mat...
Yes I think lots of people want that. I am not one of those people and am here trying to have a good faith discussion with you about how we could find ways to get those people to maybe vote for something that helped you all if it also helped them
brazen fox
If some of those ppl who cry about losing a spade actually tried pking for a week
They’d get it
wooden basin
My clan isnt even a pvp clan, but we know and understand how it works
winged thorn
Yh but imo the issue is that the no voters dont get why things r suggested
Reddit; omg multi revs again?
The entire pvp scene: THANK FUCK!
rustic apex
There’s less pvpers to it’s easier to ignore them and keep the irons happy
Thats what im saying! Give badges to pvp builds we might see more votes passing. A lot of pures just make pures to pvm with not pk. Imagine the influx of pures being built.
I say this jokingly but it might work
brazen fox
Reddit; omg multi revs again?
The entire pvp scene: THANK FUCK!
Tbf I think multi revs is still divisive bcos it favours big clans
rustic apex
big clans make pvp good though
winged thorn
Yes I think lots of people want that. I am not one of those people and am here t...
Right, so if we agree that a lot of people are like that, why cater to them, and not the people actually engaging with the wilderness the way it’s intended
brazen fox
But I’ve definitely heard some solo pkers say they want it cuz it was more fun
minor aspen
wilderness motto should be "man up or clan up"
forest kraken
Yh but imo the issue is that the no voters dont get why things r suggested
Yeah and really they don’t care. I get it, most multi clanners don’t care about irons. But this is why they shouldn’t vote on each others shit
brazen fox
if you want to 1v1 bh is there
Nh in the bin?
rustic apex
ROT ruined the imagine of clanning most clanning is actually a great scene
winged thorn
I think most multi clanners have an iron because multi gets no love
The idea that no pker has an iron
Is asinine lol
rustic apex
Nh in the bin?
nah theres still plenty of singles areas
rustic apex
I think most multi clanners have an iron because multi gets no love
I have two of them 😄
winged thorn
Right lol
rustic apex
Only main i own is a zerker. I mostly play on my gim and my hcim
brazen fox
Yh I only log into my main to pk
I don’t skill or pvm on it
Only on iron
Did smite a hally on my iron tho
Was funny
forest kraken
Imagine if they released a poll that only pvpers could vote on through X amount of player damage done, and pvmers and irons couldn’t vote
The outrage on Reddit would go crazy
winged thorn
L0l
brazen fox
I’m not totally against restricting voting but it’s hard to draw a line
Cuz the irons getting attacked in revs are kinda engaging in PvP
They’re being engaged I guess 😂
iron thistle
Imagine if they released a poll that only pvpers could vote on through X amount ...
They tried that before, but they included LMS IRC. I think Jagex forgets there's a difference between PvPers who do enjoy NH, BH, and wildy.
brazen fox
But ye I think without a common understanding of how and why ppl pk, the general playerbase aren’t gonna vote rationally
So it makes sense to restrict
rustic apex
heres a neat idea. we vote on a small group of people to represent the larger groups. Therefor making smarter decisions on things without discrimation 😮
rustic apex
totally a joke at how voting works in the real world but yea still would work
minor aspen
sigh... i volunteer to be king of the wilderness...
brazen fox
Should still poll the changes but having a focus group to get feedback from would be cool
forest kraken
Can I be the rep for one chunk snowflake Uim accounts
rustic apex
imagine if all Americans voted on everything in America. would be a 3rd world country
most people are stupid
brazen fox
Bcos atp they suggest things to a v small group of streamers and change it then walk it back etc
rustic apex
and need represtatives
rustic apex
sigh... i volunteer to be king of the wilderness...
Ill help run your campaign
brazen fox
Eh I mean personally I think voting is fine
I guess a focus group would allow information flow too
Eg ironscape has a rep
winged thorn
A focus group wouldn’t be a bad idea
Yeah as long as it isn’t the dream team 😭
brazen fox
Then there’s a group discussion, ironscape rep realises that ideally we don’t want to kill irons
charred thistle
I guess a focus group would allow information flow too
Granted but its only youtubers
timid fossil
That was the idea behind PVP discord and nothing came out of it
brazen fox
Woooo
winged thorn
That was the idea behind PVP discord and nothing came out of it
Years of feedback & none of it really implemented
brazen fox
Manked will save us
rustic apex
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1471520675775643753
youre going to get flamed into oblivion xD
brazen fox
Wait vote on my suggestion too
charred thistle
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1471520675775643753
I mean isn't that the point of the new polling system? You couldn't vote on high level sailing stuff if you didn't meet a requirement. And you couldn't vote on UIM stuff if you weren't a uim
brazen fox
For resizable pkers
rustic apex
For resizable pkers
i feel called out, post the thread.
rustic apex
oh what! thats actually crazy good qol not just for pkers
pvmers would love this too
brazen fox
Yee it’d be so nice
Even mobile tbh I walk/attack with my left thumb
Right thumb I do inventory stuff
Lemme move my character toward my left thumb brothers
wooden basin
I mean isn't that the point of the new polling system? You couldn't vote on high...
They need to expand
wooden basin
youre going to get flamed into oblivion xD
My skin is thick
rustic apex
same, ive battled the hordes on reddit
next comet
The wildy player alarm plugin is so broken
forest kraken
same, ive battled the hordes on reddit
Good luck with that
Every time you have any slight support for pvp on reddit
It’s mass downvotes
brazen fox
The wildy player alarm plugin is so broken
Yeah i never used it but its crazy op
If 3tick skilling is skill expression then watching the minimap with fear is also skill expression 😂
What if we could find other pkers so we didn’t need to care about player alarm
charred thistle
No I like killing skillers and ironmen
brazen fox
Bro there’s feathers waiting for u in b1 iorwerth
charred thistle
Bro there’s feathers waiting for u in b1 iorwerth
I'll go sweep ty
brazen fox
Oops I meant Barb village
Check both
I’m b3
Got out of b1 so fast cba getting ragged at chronicle tp
winged thorn
damn that was fast ty
Doing the Lord’s work
fringe fjord
That was the idea behind PVP discord and nothing came out of it
the pvp discord was literally invaded with multi rag clans.
good thing they never took any advise from them
brazen fox
winged thorn
Like Jagex didn’t gatekeep who could & couldn’t type 😭
brazen fox
We’re having productive convo atm
brazen fox
Cba man can we not just talk about PvP
There are other servers if u wanna yap about clans
forest kraken
But the update in question is literally aimed at PvP clans
fringe fjord
Cba man can we not just talk about PvP
keeping toxic clans out of pvp is important
winged thorn
But the update in question is literally aimed at PvP clans
I think it’s aimed at PvP as a whole though
fringe fjord
anything that favors clans directly harms every other form of pvp
brazen fox
But the update in question is literally aimed at PvP clans
Yeah it deffo favours large clans and that’s fine
We can discuss that
fringe fjord
that is not fine
brazen fox
😂
mental tartan
talking at the same time
and that hes a rot member
im not arguing with yall about royt
winged thorn
Old multi revs brought a huge ecosystem
mental tartan
just saying
winged thorn
Ok move on?
brazen fox
Wym
winged thorn
Discuss PvP
forest kraken
anything that favors clans directly harms every other form of pvp
But multi areas and single areas exist, and lots of people likebeing in a clan. Jagex have said they want to encourage more clanning
fringe fjord
the ecosystem of multi revs was terrible
brazen fox
Sry is my daily availability a problem
winged thorn
Ok? Lol
winged thorn
the ecosystem of multi revs was terrible
I thought it was really good
mental tartan
i saw your cheater dms
forest kraken
the ecosystem of multi revs was terrible
A lot of people liked multi revs
mental tartan
i liked multi revs too
brazen fox
But multi areas and single areas exist, and lots of people likebeing in a clan. ...
Tbhhhh
winged thorn
You had people teleing from lavas running to cave entrance & ppl waiting there
winged thorn
You had people at chins waiting for ppl running south outside of caves
brazen fox
Revive singles
winged thorn
Like revs brought so much activity to that area of the game
brazen fox
Bring back the refugees that went elsewhere
mental tartan
remove pvp all together imo
brazen fox
mental tartan
game would be better off
bbro im not a discord loser
who tags mods or channels
😂
brazen fox
Damn bro
winged thorn
Does being negative all the time reflect Christ
minor aspen
game would be better off
that way i can quit for good and stop holding out hope 🥲
brazen fox
I’m done
brazen fox
Can’t believe u just did me like that in front of everyone
mental tartan
that way i can quit for good and stop holding out hope 🥲
facts
Teal try to attack me when you're not in cheater clan
mental tartan
"Does being negative all the time reflect Christ"
minor aspen
Teal try to attack me when you're not in cheater clan
take it to edgeville lvl 1 boys
mental tartan
blood you went to my bio
winged thorn
It’s a fair question
fringe fjord
most people didn't that's why they removed it
winged thorn
No, it was removed because vzla as in a recession
minor aspen
i wasnt in a clan and i was having fun 🤷♂️
mental tartan
im voting no to it
winged thorn
And they were rwt’ing l0l
forest kraken
I think in fact most people loved multi revs
The people who didn’t like it were jagex
fringe fjord
revs are still a rwt gold funnel and should be removed altogether.
mental tartan
let the cheaters go play on diff servers
forest kraken
Why don’t you remove yourself from this channel
Probably a 1600 entry toa potter
🥱
mental tartan
bro 😂 ur slow
brazen fox
This u
mental tartan
rofl
forest kraken
Bros literally at tempoross
modest field
If you’re anti PvP this channel is not for you. This is a warning.
wooden basin
Bro dies in wild "remove all pkers aka cheaters"
forest kraken
wooden basin
Yikes
winged thorn
Lol?
wooden basin
🥾
winged thorn
Is that something that’s just a warning?
Surely not right?
LMFAO?
@mental tartan
I guess so?
modest field
Being anti PvP? Yeah that’s not serious?
wooden basin
He been muted lol
brazen fox
Was same thing yesterday
modest field
That’s a different matter that’ll be handled in the back end
winged thorn
Lovely
brazen fox
Wouldn’t drop clan talk but ya
Frustrating when we having a decent convo before but it is what it is
winged thorn
Yeah hours of good discussion derailed by the same 2 noobs
brazen fox
They are pinned
wooden basin
Lol ah
winged thorn
Just boring
fringe fjord
Being anti PvP? Yeah that’s not serious?
he isn't anti pvp, teal is a member of a pvp clan that's known for doxxing, ddosing, stalking, and real life harassment.
his entire clan has been chainbanned from the game.
brazen fox
Bro everyone told u yday that this isn’t place for clan talk
winged thorn
This is #pvp-discussion , not #no-rot-members-allowed-zone
brazen fox
We genuinely tried hard to get this channel implemented bcos we wanna talk about PvP and get new people into it
fringe fjord
Bro everyone told u yday that this isn’t place for clan talk
it is important to known the perspective of where his opinions are coming from.
wooden basin
Anyways
brazen fox
The caveat was that we don’t have toxic chat or involve multi drama
So if you could also abide by that that’d be great
Bcos we are keen to keep this channel going
It’s been fun
fringe fjord
there is no drama, I am pointing out that his opinions are formed as being a member of a toxic multi clan that was so bad for the game they ended up being chainbanned.
winged thorn
I think most people in here know that
brazen fox
Again just drop it mate
winged thorn
And like you & 1 other guy are upset about it
wooden basin
This isnt unknown information you're just barking up the wrong tree
forest kraken
People say pvpers are toxic but it’s always the 1500 total andies at tempoross who come in here calling people autistic for enjoying pvp
winged thorn
Just to remind you of what another mod said lol
Now, back to removing uniques from the wildy wow
🤣
next comet
Many of us share the same opinions as Teal in here, I guess we're all ROT members now
fringe fjord
knowing how an opinion was formed is important
any clan affiliations would not be important.
winged thorn
Would your opinion of me change if I told you that I’m relatively new to RoT?
fringe fjord
one that was removed from the game due to how toxic it was certainly is.
winged thorn
Or would you just blindly assume you know my character?
How boring this is what we have to type about
When we could discuss what could make the Wildy better
fringe fjord
it's the pvp channel not the wilderness channel.
winged thorn
Great? What do you think would make PvP better
Like move on from the clan thing it’s boring man
We can type about anything else
inner pond
the original thread in #1022203933600514138 for PvP channel is still open for feedback btw. based on what's been happening here I feel like the pinned message should also mention that specific clans should not be brough up in attempts to create drama, thoughts?
winged thorn
I kind of thought that was covered but if it needs to be specifically added, so be it
inner pond
yeah clan drama kinda doesn't have place anywhere in the server tbh but might be nice to have that visible there
winged thorn
If something is being used to rage bait, regardless of if it’s a clan, it’s still rage bait?
inner pond
easy point of reference to poitn people to
winged thorn
I think this is covered
wooden basin
Clan chat only brings flaming and toxicity. The point of this channel is to discuss pvp topics, help teach people who are ignorant and want to learn, meet up as friends and multi, etc.
next comet
Its the same 2 names stirring up shit in this channel since yesterday. Most of us have been quite civil and respect the requests put forward in the initial thread.
inner pond
we do appreciate when you let us know about it in modmail instead of rising to flame back, keep it up
fringe fjord
yeah clan drama kinda doesn't have place anywhere in the server tbh but might be...
it's not clan drama, as in, it's not different fractions warring, we're talking about a person that's affiliated with a multi clan that's been chain perm banned from the game for rulebreaking, you're framing it as if it's some random group that people happen to dislike.
brazen fox
Ye it’s been nice to see that so many of us are keen to keep the channel around and discuss peacefully
brazen fox
it's not clan drama, as in, it's not different fractions warring, we're talking ...
Drop it brother
Go dm him
Or something
next comet
🙄
winged thorn
we do appreciate when you let us know about it in modmail instead of rising to f...
No problem. Being compared to the taliban when talking about PvP in osrs does make one’s blood boil to say the least. I hope the mods of this discord act swiftly to nit this negativity in the rear end.
inner pond
it's not clan drama, as in, it's not different fractions warring, we're talking ...
I could see that only being a problem if it was them bringing up constantly, but they're just discussing PvP
next comet
No surprise this fella is a top 1% 2007scape replyguy
next comet
No surprise this fella is a top 1% 2007scape replyguy
(Not kidding btw)
minor aspen
No surprise this fella is a top 1% 2007scape replyguy
so am i strangely
brazen fox
No surprise this fella is a top 1% 2007scape replyguy
Lmao don’t share his Reddit tho
forest kraken
yeah clan drama kinda doesn't have place anywhere in the server tbh but might be...
Its moreso people not understand that jagex actively wants to support clans and create content for them, a lot of people come here with a massively negative opinion on clans and think everyone shares that
brazen fox
Anyways uh curious ab how everyone sees multi revs going
Especially around gear ppl would turn up in
covert musk
it's not clan drama, as in, it's not different fractions warring, we're talking ...
Speaking of rule breaking, werent u a ragger :O?
brazen fox
It’d be sad to see moonclan in revs ngl
But maybe with the 100k fee ppl would risk more?
Idk
forest kraken
I’d like to see the fee upped even more than 100k
covert musk
Yeah make it 10m
forest kraken
Maybe that’s a bit far but the risk should be higher, I also don’t wanna see 1 item crystal bowers in there
wooden basin
I think it should be 1m so that if people rag, they're still forced to lose 1m. That'll cut the ragging down a bunch but who am i lol
forest kraken
250-500k seems fair to me. Maybe 100k if you’re unskulled but 500k with a skull
covert musk
Promoting clean action is still a hard thingy to enforce, theres always a way around and clans Will go lengths to shit on their rivals or foes
forest kraken
Oh for sure
But I bet those clans won’t be 1 item addy crossbow ragging if they lose 500k each death!
covert musk
Im talking about the rest of multi wilderness here ofc, not revs
And yes that could be a good idea
forest kraken
500k is a good balance considering a full revs looting bag could be 2m+
But probably has some negatives I havnt thought about
covert musk
I agree with u
odd dock
aye any build ideas for 40 atk 44 defence 44 strength 31 range
magic 1 prayer 1
what should I do
I'm f2p
no member
odd dock
it depends on what kind of pvp you'd want to do.
I want to earn money
covert musk
P2p then
odd dock
do you want to shift to p2p
I have a bond
forest kraken
aye any build ideas for 40 atk 44 defence 44 strength 31 range
You’d have to be a main with those stats
odd dock
but rn I'm f2p
odd dock
You’d have to be a main with those stats
can main pvp
forest kraken
I’d focus on getting your gp up and then worrying about pvp down the line
wooden basin
F2p pvping is mainly just for fun. Not going to make too much tbh
fringe fjord
they do tend to risk fight a lot around ferox in f2p pvp worlds
odd dock
I’d focus on getting your gp up and then worrying about pvp down the line
I got 16m rn
fringe fjord
but not with those stats
odd dock
my first week playing on the game
fast cradle
@odd dock I would say stay 40att 44def focus on magic/range/str
train strength/range at hill giants
wooden basin
Yeah just cant do def raising quests
fringe fjord
also high entry fees for revs would decrease how many pvmers there are and the biggest group of people that pks at revs at the moment are mid levels that aren't very good at it and don't kill anything besides those pvmers
odd dock
and going beastmode with 15 percents
what if I do 80 defense
fast cradle
with 40attack ?
fast cradle
that works i suppose.....
odd dock
80 range
fringe fjord
not possible anymore if you want to p2p pvp
50 attack builds need to be quested all the way from 1.
odd dock
fuck why's everyone mixed opinions can all of u just 1v1 to see who is a fraud or not
yo 1v1 each other all of you
risk 1m
fringe fjord
he would end up somewhere around 55 attack just from the quests or not have barrows gloves or ballista or piety etc
wooden basin
Main account funds pk acc
odd dock
I just defeated elvarg today
and I failed horribly at flipping
I lost like 200k
lnfao
fast cradle
big ownage
covert musk
Hugee
odd dock
nah
fast cradle
very productive investment
covert musk
Terror u know what u Can do when u got some decent stats?
covert musk
So many bots in Chaos Temple, each of them risking atleast 500k
odd dock
So many bots in Chaos Temple, each of them risking atleast 500k
wait fr
I wanna kill bots
odd dock
what if I just
covert musk
Yeah
odd dock
kill bots for a living
odd dock
So many bots in Chaos Temple, each of them risking atleast 500k
500k wild
id be spamming that shit
covert musk
Yeah its op