🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

yea its a bit tricky to find

[plain token]

where is it?

[floral mauve]

in fact very tricky

I think u need to go to a specific coordinate on ur way discovering the secret crate

[plain token]

k

[floral mauve]

the meaning of that fish

I think with its signature cigar

its quite clear

who it is

[plain token]

Who?

it doesn’t appear in rl:paradise just like the other animals

[floral mauve]

[plain token]

Mr owl?

[floral mauve]

yea

if u remember his future form

in paradox

[plain token]

haven’t played paradox

[floral mauve]

then oops I guess

go play Paradox

its probably the best RL game in terms of brain intensity

[plain token]

so mr owl’s future form is a fish?

[floral mauve]

yes

[plain token]

got it

[plain token]

don’t know if this is an actual secret but my sister pointed this out to me and i had never thought of that:in ce,fall harvey screams probably mimicing the screams of someone getting murdered

[azure bay]

Never made this connection myself

Would be funny if it's really about Owl

[plain token]

so it might not (the fish)be mr owl?

[floral mauve]

💀

come on Crow in the box, it makes sense Owl also in the box

[ebon aspen]

I feel dumb for never connecting the dots lol

Yeah, it would be amazing if it was a nod to owl's future

[azure bay]

Owl was established to become a fish several years after HB

Case 23, Hotel, Dale's journey, Roots and Paradise came out between them

For me it's like eternity

[vague imp]

Well there were a lot of foreshadowing in Cube Escape games

Look even Caroline was foreshadowed

[covert wyvern]

or was based on that painting after the fact

[vague imp]

Yeah, my point being that the same thing could have happened to the fish in Harvey's Box

[graceful cairn]

Question is the guy on the phone Mr crow?
Like the guy in case 23, birthday and other games

[vague imp]

Yes

Most likely

Well on case 23 he's confirmed to be the guy on the phone in the mill

But for birthday and seasons it's most likely the case but it's not confirmed I think

[graceful cairn]

Oh

Thx

[azure bay]

Well, copying a painting and then desingning a deep lore character around it isn't much of foreshadowing

Also taking a weird mermaid from another painting and making it weirder with a cigar feels very coincidental

@graceful cairn @vague imp it's Laura in Seasons. Calling her past self from winter. "Find me in the past"

[vague imp]

Oh yeah I forgor about that achievement what about birthday?

[azure bay]

no idea

I mean I have but nothing to prove them

[vague imp]

Okay , any speculation however?

[azure bay]

For me, it's either Crow or Rabbit

but

at the same time Crow may or may not be Dale's grandpa

one of which would contradict the phone

[vague imp]

I love the theory that Dale's grandpa is actually a manifestation of mr Crow

And that he actually never was in the Birthday

[azure bay]

I used to prefer this way but TPW tells that faking memories is as hard as faking the reality

[vague imp]

How I may have missed that

[azure bay]

(because memories are a form of reality and vise versa)

[vague imp]

Okay so maybe Dale's Grandpa was in the birthday and is actually Mr Crow ?

Because he seems to remember what happened before Dale changed the past

[azure bay]

I don't think so

Dale could and would try to tell everyone

and grandpa was the only adult cool enough to take him seriously

[vague imp]

Well if you start by talking to the Grandpa

He would tell you open the box

Then Give me the gun

Well it's possible that we can't hear what Dale is actually saying

[azure bay]

and we have a precedent of exactly that

TWD, secret police station scene. Bob hears Dale's words that we didn't in Case 23

[vague imp]

Oh right

It seemed that Bob attacked us

But in reality he was just helping Dale

And same thing happened in the secret Bar scene

Dale promised to find Laura but we couldn't hear him

But there is still one thing that I would like to point out which is pretty cool

Of course it's not sufficient proof

But that's still a weird coincidence

Considering the theories about this character

[azure bay]

I'll say more

the whole head from case 23 was reused

and there's even a theatre-style cocktail reference in grandpa's pocket

BUT

Grandpa's skin color is different

much lighter than Aldous ever had

he also has hair behind his ears

unlike even his youngest version from Roots

(who's 60 at the time btw)

[vague imp]

Perhaps is he wearing a mask ?

[azure bay]

grandpa doesn't wear black and lacks Mr. Crow's mysterious vibes

[azure bay]

don't really see reasons for that

[vague imp]

Well yeah

[azure bay]

also a single "you know what to do" would break all the doubts

[vague imp]

But he didn't say so did he ?

[azure bay]

he didn't

[vague imp]

Okay thx

There was also something that I wanted to talk about

[azure bay]

then 2 last problems I have with this theory

[vague imp]

Okay

Pls tell

[azure bay]

Dale doesn't recognize him in Case 23

and last but not least, grandpa died

[vague imp]

Well if Grandpa was mr Crow he would never die

[azure bay]

We saw asuras dying to stab and shot wounds

[vague imp]

Who?

[azure bay]

Boar, Rabbit, Pheasant

they aren't even immune to poison

[vague imp]

Okay

Well maybe those reincarnations are not enlightened

Yeah

Mr deer

There is also something that I noticed

That few seem to talk about

So I'll ask you about it here

[vague imp]

First of all in the cave Aldous has very light skin

However he also happpens to have eyes 👀

Why is it ?

[azure bay]

he always had. They were just darkened previously

I think it used to be a stylistic choice

[vague imp]

Okay

Btw there also is something that I'd like to talk about

What is up with the elevator Dale took

[azure bay]

there were 2 of them

one in Case 23

it was inside the cabin and it went down

[vague imp]

Okay

[azure bay]

then, according to one of The Cave murals, he reached the bottom and walked into a big white cube

[vague imp]

There were most likely 2

[vague imp]

Which happened to be exactly under the hotel

Right?

[azure bay]

and which is also the -1st floor of said hotel

[vague imp]

Oh right

[azure bay]

Dale took the same elevator Harvey used in Hotel

[vague imp]

But at the time he was at floor -1

Of the hotel

[azure bay]

yeah

[vague imp]

Okay thx

Fro a moment I got confused how did the elevator went north 3

But it was just Dale walking in the depths of the lake

So that's Dale Journey according to the cave's map

[azure bay]

depends on what you call the journey

[vague imp]

From case 23 chapter 3

Not all of it

Since I didn't cover where Laura House was

And where was the police department

[azure bay]

I mean, Owl spoke of it just as the elevator journey to the hotel

with BD and Theatre

[vague imp]

Okay so according to mr Owl Dale's Journey is what happens at the hotel

And even in Paradox

He briefly mentioned it

[azure bay]

you mean in ch2 of Paradox?

[bright parrot]

The real question is that are devs giving that much attention to detail as much people in theory channel are?

[azure bay]

depends on the topic

[hardy terrace]

good question, I don't think that at the very beginnings of Rusty Lake and the Cube Escape series they didn't pay too much attention to details, but with the growing popularity they built and expanded the lore on what they had previously done

which can lead to plot holes

[floral mauve]

soft worldbuilding that creates Vanderbooms

It was mentioned in one q&a I think

Initially, Roots is completely not planned

But they didnt say anything about Paradise though, so maybe Caroline was sort of in plan

[bright parrot]

Exactly

They had some characters from the start

And now they are building the world (the lake) around them

[azure bay]

I think they have some foundation rigid points

mostly used

[bright parrot]

I have a question
If a dev is using soft world building technique.
Do they know about the world and just choose to not to tell or even devs don't know about the world.

[azure bay]

they have some kind of bible

they have plans for Dale and

Laura

pretty old plans

[hardy terrace]

clearly they also have plans for Van Gogh /j

[azure bay]

they have plans for Harvey. Maybe more than 2 years old

[ebon aspen]

What do you consider a "soft" worldbuilding technique?

[azure bay]

adding Vanderbooms, TWD and BKM into their world on a go

[ebon aspen]

Either way, for me things started unpretentiously and the devs started to care about tying every game after a considerable amount of time

Couldnt draw a line separating both moments tho

[azure bay]

The Lake and Seasons were meant to be connected from the start

[floral mauve]

so far they did a great job connecting dots and lines and mostly finished them.
The unfinished ones are:
Rabbit/Pheasant
Harvey
Rose and Albert maybe

[azure bay]

HB makes me think that Crow, Owl and their Hotel and Dale's story were already set as a big Twin Peaks reference

[bright parrot]

For defination I referred to google.
But from my perspective There are it's either devs know all about the world
Or they know as much as we know (maybe a little more) which gives a lot of creative freedom but also a chance of messing the series.
(Sorry for the late reply. I was translating and all)

[ebon aspen]

They prolly are doing as most story writers and adding new elements to a central, defined plotline

So far it didnt backfire at least

[bright parrot]

I've not watched twin peaks but lots of people say that it's a refrence

[azure bay]

Dale Cooper investigates a mysterious murder of Laura Palmer while being haunted by spirits worshiped by native Americans

and loves a damn fine cup of coffee ofc

[azure bay]

Some projects are pretty loose

[ebon aspen]

Yeah, my main point on that message bf was considering mainly samsara room and arles

[azure bay]

The White Door was inspired by the dev's friend personal mental health story but also built upon Bob's appearances in CE

[bright parrot]

They are currently doing things like Avatar the Last Airbender.
They developed plot in background and showed the progress in season finales.

But it can be exhaustive if they carry a season/event for long.

[azure bay]

The Past Within was built solely on the idea of Albert's resurrection with its concept redone from scratch at least 2 times

[bright parrot]

If that's not a reference
I don't know what is

[ebon aspen]

Yeah universe expansion is important if you really want to make an immersive story

[bright parrot]

Yes

[ebon aspen]

Imagine albert appearing again with no explanation whatsoever

[azure bay]

also so many unique ways to become corrupted, enlightened or reborn are also indicative of softer side of their worldbuilding

[ebon aspen]

(Non theoretical, but id like to say id prefer having him appear by surprise, then having a game about what happened, can picture the devs debating wheter it would feel like a rushed retcon to justify tho)

Anyway, i wonder what implications laura's game will bring

[azure bay]

it will definitely tell about her childhood

[bright parrot]

All we can do is wait:)

[bright parrot]

I would love a cameo of dale in the game

[azure bay]

maybe how William affects her

maybe how she parted ways with Rose

[ebon aspen]

I mean, so it doesnt end up being solely a flashback

[azure bay]

maybe some insights on her relationship with Bob

Considering "the story continues" achievement from The Cave, we're likely to get some info on her trip to the lake

which is one of the vaguest and definitely the oldest gap in our knowledge

[bright parrot]

Maybe rose threw her memories of laura or smth in the lake

[azure bay]

I don't think Rose was to the lake ever since she left

but Laura was and I still don't understand why

why did Owl need her there?

[bright parrot]

I believe that in the train game.
Each coach will be a different memory or event in Laura's life

[azure bay]

and maybe (unlikely)

we'll get the same answer on Bob in TWD

[bright parrot]

Sorry what answer

[ebon aspen]

William's soul

[vague imp]

Guys plot hole

Moment

[floral mauve]

What about it

[vague imp]

I figured in 1870 James saw the animal at rusty lake hotel

However in the end of rusty lake hotel wee see dale in the elevator

Which happen in 1972 (I think)

Literally 102 years later

What is going on there ????

So when does hotel takes time ???

And how can it last 5 days and 102 years at the same time ?????

[floral mauve]

I am a bit lazy but nowhere got a timeline map

Also the time James saw the guests probably prove that they aren’t one time visitors

[azure bay]

"the memories are not only a key to the past but also to the future"
Owl©

[vague imp]

"the memories are not only key to the past but also to your future"
©aroline

[azure bay]

Caroline said it metaphorically

[vague imp]

But owl meant it

[azure bay]

It was a prophecy cube, Owl's goal during the Hotel game

[vague imp]

Oh that'll explain it

I completely frogor about the white cube that showed it

So Owl literally planned it 2 centuries ago

Since he already knew of Dale when he was being enlightened

[azure bay]

At least he knew who to look for

[vague imp]

Yeah

[azure bay]

Oh

Maybe I'm overthinking

[vague imp]

About what?

[azure bay]

But I've just realized Owl could probably look into the big white cube he saw Dale leaving

And see Laura's CS

[vague imp]

Maybe Harvey also being Laura's pet is no coincidence

[azure bay]

It isn't in any case

They needed her memories

About William's elixir

[vague imp]

But she doesn't remember that far, does she ?

[azure bay]

I'd say, she has no access to said memories. Normally people don't.

But here I'm not sure anymore

Laura somehow remembers the hotel even before revisiting the lake

Initially I thought she was raised there

But one of the teasers disproves that

[vague imp]

Which one?

[vague imp]

And when is it shown?

[azure bay]

#📯｜rl-announcements message

@vague imp wow...
It's still scrolling for you, isn't it?

[vague imp]

Oh hello there

Excuse me I had to suddenly leave because I was having dinner

And I still am btw

I'll be back soon

[vague imp]

Hello I'm back

@azure bay

My discord scrolls through here when I click on your link

And I'm sure that's not what you're trying to show me

Shall I keep scrolling up ?

[azure bay]

That's it

[vague imp]

Okay

[azure bay]

Do you understand why Laura wasn't raised by the lake?

@vague imp

[vague imp]

Yeah since Rose travelled from rusty lake long ago

[plain token]

don’t know if this is an actual secret but my sister pointed this out to me and i had never thought of that:in ce,fall harvey screams probably mimicing the screams of someone getting murdered

[covert wyvern]

seems fair considering that its a parrot.

[vague imp]

It ain't

[plain token]

yea but it makes a different sound in for example summer,what is it trying to mimic then?

[vague imp]

Well in theory Harvey is a man with a bird's head that was able to turn into a female bird, however he somehow he lost the ability to do so after the event of hotel and he is now stuck as a bird

So harvey is similar to mr owl and mr crow when they are stuck as their human's form however unlike mr crow and mr owl who originally were humans, harvey was originally a female bird

[plain token]

But (s)he’s a parrot

[vague imp]

Well a parrot is a bird

Jk

When he screamed he may have mimicked Laura

Who was extremely depressed and traumatized after the events of the lake

[plain token]

so u aren’t denying the fact that he is a parrot and can mimic sounds?

[vague imp]

Of course I ain't

Harvey is a parrot who used to be like a human whenever he wanted

[plain token]

yea

but i’m still wondering:in ce summer what the heck is the sound he’s making suppose to be?

[ebon aspen]

harvey was simply remembering his time being hunted by the guests' souls

[covert wyvern]

Fair tbh

[vague imp]

Well in each season he makes a sound

[plain token]

sure

[vague imp]

In the spring and winter after saving him he makes a normal bird song

[plain token]

in spring it sounds normal

[vague imp]

In spring I meant

And also winter

So it's safe to assume that he was mimicking a song from Laura

Perhaps when she was fishing????

[plain token]

Maybe

[vague imp]

I can't correctly remember the song that Harvey was making in summer so I'm just blindly guessing

I should find it at SoundCloud (for some reasons)

Since it seems that someone took the freedom to upload there all Seasons SFX

[plain token]

just find a walkthrough

[plain token]

whytho?

[vague imp]

Well in a walkthrough they're not forced to interact with Harvey in fact most of them don't

[vague imp]

IDK

[covert wyvern]

note that sharing a link like this here is not allowed.

[plain token]

right but so do

[vague imp]

Okay thank you

I wasn't planning to do so anyway

[covert wyvern]

Fair enough, just figured Id give the heads up.

[plain token]

[vague imp]

Give one sec@plain token

[plain token]

Sure

[vague imp]

I'll check the sound and come back

[plain token]

yeap

[vague imp]

Oh

[vague imp]

Would you look at that

[plain token]

👌

[vague imp]

There is something interesting in this image

[covert wyvern]

Huh I think thats the facebook group admin lol

[plain token]

what?

[vague imp]

Hm excuse me ?

[covert wyvern]

the person who uploaded the noises.

[vague imp]

Wait really

[plain token]

What?

[vague imp]

They are named ritsunikiP

Anyways back to our discussion

[plain token]

does the na,e matter?

[covert wyvern]

Not at all

[plain token]

so is it the same?

[vague imp]

Look here

It's explained how they got the summer sound of harvey

It's (in theory) Harvey's normal sound but speed-up 1.5 times

[plain token]

So they cranked the pich to 150%to get that sound?

[vague imp]

Exactly

Btw

[plain token]

?

[vague imp]

I found Harvey's song

https://youtu.be/EsLB7GM2mu4

Like the actual real one

[plain token]

wait… the video isn’t playing

[vague imp]

Sure take your time

F

Take your time bro

[plain token]

ah yes love me some good violin tunes but does that help us come to a more accurate,to the truth,conclusion in any way

?

[vague imp]

Idk XD

This could have helped us if the year was unknown

But we know it

[plain token]

yes

[vague imp]

So no I just shared this for fun

[plain token]

yea i wasn’t trying to say it was just useless

[vague imp]

Oh don't worry about it

Btw I made a mistake

Harvey's song at summer

Isn't the same at Spring but pitched up

[plain token]

Ofc

[vague imp]

Actually it's someone Saying "Hey, Get off" (or something similar) but extremely speed-up and pitched down

[plain token]

Hsven’t we astablisted that yet?i’m afraid we haven’t but yea it’s not that big of a deal

[vague imp]

Yeah

[plain token]

btw random but how the heck have i been living without knowing the word uselessness

[vague imp]

Go to #🛖｜the-cabin

[plain token]

did u know it exististed and i’m just dumb?

[covert wyvern]

@vague imp is right

Stay on topic.

[plain token]

sorry

To conclude:harvey in the spring says:hey get off(or something)in high speed and pitch,harvey in summer is singing a song he heard (probably from Laura singing while fishing,harvey in fall and winter is mimicing Laura who was deppressed and traumatised from all the events of the lake

[vague imp]

No that's slightly wrong

In Spring Harvey makes normal bird sings.

[plain token]

correct me plz

ok

[vague imp]

In Summer Harvey say get off me ! But slightly pitched down and in high speed he may have mimicked Laura when she was struggling again the CS in the lake or when she became depressed.

[plain token]

ok

[vague imp]

In Fall Harvey was screaming just like you said

In Winter Harvey was either dead, or he was making normal bird songs since he was freed by Future Laura, and didn't have to endure with her.

[plain token]

right

wait i’ve never noticed what sound he makes in winter before u free him

[vague imp]

No he's either dead or free

[vague imp]

You can't free him in winter cause he'll be already dead if he wasn't free before

[plain token]

god i’m a little tired rn and can’t think clearly so thank u for correcting me

[vague imp]

You are welcome 👍

[covert wyvern]

Taking breaks is okay:)

[vague imp]

Yeah feel free to take a break

[plain token]

Fine

goodnight everyone(even though it’s not even night where u live)

[vague imp]

It's night where I live actually

It's 11pm in my country

But let's not get off-topic Goodnight

[unique verge]

I know this is late, but has someone called the Best Kept Memory number? I don't want to call myself because of fees.

[covert wyvern]

Yeah! they have:)

its part of the currently ongoing ARG

#📼｜tpw-bkm-arg message heres the audio if youre interested

(that channel is also dedicated to the ARG)

[unique verge]

Cool, thanks

[azure bay]

@vague imp Harvey died in 1894 and was resurrected as a bird by Owl. All samsara wheels attribute Harvey to the animal realm

[vague imp]

Oh well I still didn't play Samsara Room

[azure bay]

Samsara Room has nothing to do with it

[vague imp]

I'll play it soon

Oh nvm

Misread it

[azure bay]

samsara as a phenomenon was fully introduced in Theatre

[vague imp]

Yeah I get what you're talking about

That wheel devised by 6 parts

[azure bay]

yeah

I remember falling into that rabbit hole

[plain token]

yo what’s up?

[azure bay]

cool. I was about to share my lifestory

[plain token]

go ahead

[azure bay]

I researched "6 stages of the wheel" on google

then my mind was blown

everything started making sense

[vague imp]

I actually didn't mind it that much

Now that you mention I shall search it

Btw in what language is it written ?

[azure bay]

sanskrit

that wasn't the 1st time I played Theatre

It was one of the replays in fall 2018

I discovered the series earlier that summer

and couldn't wait for Paradox

the replay was after

and Owl's ch2 monologue became clear to me after I learnt about samsara

[maiden pebble]

Well i know Hindi and yup I know what is written nothing made sense to me

I have some more thoughts about mr. Rabbit 🐰🐰. He is the most confusing character in rusty lake for me. It can be that the brown rabbit(in rusty lake hotel) and the white rabbit( in cube escape birthday) are the same it is already been said by many but the white rabbit also appeared in rusty lake paradise as achievement. his hand comes from ground holding a card . But at that time David was Not incarnated as Mr. Rabbit

Reincarnated*

Wait there is more

There can only be three possible ways

One that he was a performing magic at that time and he ressembled as a rabbit because he was to be made a rabbit

Second that there is a different white rabbit who performed with him in magic in future. he could also be the one to influence David to be magician and stayed with him secretly that is why he was in outside the window when Harvey tried to kill him

Or the third one which is complex. The owl wanted him to escape when he was captured in hotel so that in future it will lead him to kill Dave's family and make him a detective( he might have turned white when he escaped ).so he also made Harvey kill rabbits sister with a gun and stored that gun in Dave's house because the rabbit will need that gun to come back to past. Every time something happens to time a diffrent timeline is created. In one timeline he was old by that time so he might have turned white he took the gun and travelled to past and then came to the room where he was murdered but didn't interfere and stayed out of the window realising if the past himself is not murdered by Harvey he will eventually be killed by Mr. Owl and don't know where he went after that .

Rusty lake should make a game on rabbit

[azure bay]

Agree

but I disagree with each version

[maiden pebble]

So what could be it

[azure bay]

this is your "second" Rabbit in the window

and this is brown Rabbit's corrupted soul

nearly identical

[maiden pebble]

So when he corrupted he turned white instead of black because of some reason and then my third version happened

[floral mauve]

time travel rabbit whisker

[azure bay]

Owl might have nothing to do with the pistol

[maiden pebble]

There must be a relation of rusty lake with Dave's family because they have the pistol in a box

Or the box might be given to them but the key they didn't have

[azure bay]

Owl wasn't that link. He discovered Dale in 60s-70s

according to his letter in The Mill

[maiden pebble]

Might be the woman because she lived in the same street of Dave

And she is very much related to lake

[azure bay]

Dale wrote he never knew her. "She was just another murder case"

[maiden pebble]

She went to fishing in cube escape lake and might have found the gun box in the lake which might have been thrown by owl or crow after killing

[azure bay]

we have no evidence for that

but

[maiden pebble]

She lived in the same street though because of the same tree outside their house

[azure bay]

I don't think it's the same tree. Just an asset reuse. Since it was also used in The Lake

[maiden pebble]

No that tree is important as in birthday in the end, Harvey sat on the top of the tree outside the house and rabbit died on the tree. And in seasons Harvey sit on the same looking tree

[azure bay]

Harvey sits there only if you see his secret scene

[maiden pebble]

In most of the women appearance the tree is also their

[azure bay]

they blossom in different colors

[maiden pebble]

Bro you know too much though. I don't know more than that

It was my theory

[azure bay]

What I'm saying, Dale is unlikely to live next to Laura's. He said he didn't know her. Even the tree doesn't help here since in Bday it blossoms in white and in Seasons in pink.

Also

Even if she lived next door

that's not a link

because

it doesn't answer the question how the chest got there

(if I understand you correctly)

instead it answers the question how it returned there

[maiden pebble]

Ok

Ok

Ok, can you explain how those words in Sanskrit make sense i know Sanskrit a bit and hindi

In the games

I know all those words meaning though

[azure bay]

I will but 1st I want to tell how imo the pistol COULD get there

[maiden pebble]

Ok

[azure bay]

grandpa looks a lot like Mr. Crow and many believe that they are the same person

[maiden pebble]

Yea but he was never there in real

[azure bay]

your evidence?

[maiden pebble]

It was just in the future when he relived those memory there was mr. Crow

I got evidence

[floral mauve]

A side note, why does Crow bring the pistol with him to the Vandermeer family he created, under the assumption of the Aldous grandpa theory
and why Pistol of pheasant is the past life substance of Rabbit, or actually David
Dont elaborate the brother helping sister part, I could write a novel on that

[azure bay]

they performed together

[floral mauve]

ehm, so the pistol belongs to Rabbit but pheasant borrowed it from him perhaps?

too much interpretation

[azure bay]

IDK that's one of the reasons why I want a rabbit game

[floral mauve]

but the show was in different days

[azure bay]

close to one another

[maiden pebble]

In rusty lake paradox which is supposed to be before the birthday. In paradox game there is no grandpa

[floral mauve]

August 7th Rabbit show
August 8th Pheasant

[azure bay]

If you where a dev where would you place grandpa there?

[floral mauve]

thats the thing, only 2 chairs and the mental game is just a brief revision and doesnt count, so it makes sense to not include granpa

[maiden pebble]

Bruh

[floral mauve]

I wont take it as an evidence stronger than the pistol belongs to Grandpa/aldous

if u want to compare the strength of each evidence

[maiden pebble]

Yea he could probably be grandson of crow 🗿🗿

Dave might be grandson

[azure bay]

Dale*

[maiden pebble]

Yea

[azure bay]

personally

I used to prefer the fake grandpa theory too

until TPW came out and confirmed that memories are hard to fake when they are in cubes

[floral mauve]

how about theatre though

[maiden pebble]

And also in the birthday the grandpa is definitely crow because he have black eyes and in theatre the bartender also had black eyes and some other games too

[floral mauve]

I mean for birthday, after the present part its 100% fabricated

[floral mauve]

thats why I would say before the change the past, it should be taken as 100% reliable

so grandpa was in

[maiden pebble]

I have only played chapter 1 of tpw right now

[azure bay]

I have a lot things to answer

[floral mauve]

I changed my side cuz according to the logic and following the strength of evidence

[azure bay]

I would appreciate you letting me do that

[maiden pebble]

What?

[azure bay]

both of you asked or stated several things I have an answer for

[maiden pebble]

Ok

[azure bay]

I need some time to answer them before we continue

[maiden pebble]

One more thing

[floral mauve]

I am mostly quiet

[maiden pebble]

the most probable story and satisfying is that the cube type room at the bottom of lake is some kind of cube manupilator, owl and crow used it to make Dale live his bad memory again with some different changes to test Dale capability to maybe become the gaurdian of lake because they were getting old?

And take place of people inside that memory

[azure bay]

You can alter the reality inside cubes to some realistic extent. Both Bday and Theatre were altered before Dale reentered them: you can realistically extend the show or send a gift even if it wasn't originally so. Because it would be possible outside the cubes. But it's difficult to pretend to be someone's grandpa

Speaking of Crow's eyes, they aren't black in Theatre, The Cave and The White Door.

[azure bay]

I agree on Dale being prepared to replace them but Bday and Theatre were about facing his demons and reaching a higher state of consciousness while learning about samsara

[floral mauve]

so u are saying there are rules to follow? But tbh replace the grandpa with crow is like replace the original present

if u have to use that logic, it still doesnt make sense

[azure bay]

it's not about rules

the cubes contain their own realities

the realities that follow the same rules

Owl didn't replace Dale's birthday present

he sent a new one

[maiden pebble]

Wait I came back I was searching for evidence

There was no grandpa

[azure bay]

If Crow would have pretended to be grandpa, he had to infiltrate decades before Dale's birth

[floral mauve]

emm

[azure bay]

what's the problem?

[floral mauve]

nothing

It still feels like too flexible

which means even if u include an extra grandpa under ur logic its fine?

[azure bay]

grandpa's absence is a significant piece of evidence but not indisputable.

[azure bay]

you don't hear me

[floral mauve]

I am deaf

[maiden pebble]

We are reading though not hearing 🗿🗿

[azure bay]

I was speaking metaphorically

[maiden pebble]

Ok

[azure bay]

It's easier to go back in time and give another present than go back in time and infiltrate someone's family without being sus

[maiden pebble]

Actually bday was a bad memory of Dale and a black cube the thing is the crow and owl changed his memory but not the real past and we can also hear someone speaking in the phone"past is not dead, it is not even past" it was just some memory crow made it in such a way that it would conivince Dale's mind that it is true and convert that cube into white cube a good memory. And in paradox when his mind was replaced there were thing in the room that he could remember from that day, they were the real things that happened that day because his mind was not altered and there was no grandpa at all and he called the rabbit to come to perform magic

[azure bay]

the cubes aren't the actual past but they are faithful copies with thinking (and therefore existing) inhabitants

[maiden pebble]

Well bye i have to go i will find something more

Tommoro

W

[halcyon nacelle]

it's funnier to believe bob has literally no reason to be in this situation he's just unlucky af

he just wanted to be happy with his girlfriend

[median solstice]

the lake said lol no

[celest quail]

Yknow, I can't help but notice a resemblance from rose to Elizabeth. (Not a theory really more just sharing)

[median solstice]

stronk genetics from albert

wherever the family lineages divide and converge and inter-developement especially in this lake LOL

frank used to wear glasses and eventually didn't because his vision is probably irrevocably ruined from malnutrition

[azure bay]

No doubt it's funnier. No doubt he's unlucky. Yet he's unlucky to meet Laura.

She's the root of all his problems and Owl's interest in him is one of the major here.

[stone bramble]

bob painfully irreverent to the horrors

[azure bay]

how so?

[stone bramble]

im just referencing this post I saw once the horrors have deffo gotten to bob

[slow ridge]

I read some theories that Ms Pheasant in Rusty Lake Hotel actually kills herself out of regret for burning Jacob. Because her past self- Elizabeth is the only one who gives advice to Jacob thorough Paradise, and she is the most reluctant member to kill him.
But I don’t really agree with this theory, if she ends her life willingly, I don’t think she would turn corrupt in the future. The most persuasive answer for now is that the pistol and the camera are a set of weapon for Harvey to murder her. But I still wish to know what do you think

Another thing I’m curious about would be Albert’s childhood. He is bullied by his siblings when he’s young, but I don’t think that his family really hate him or ignore him thorough their lives. Here is why:
Albert is part of the wedding family photo (even if he has to cover up his face) and part of the lying game, which he doesn’t have to cover up his face. It somehow implies that they don’t really feel disgusted by his appearance and they often interact with one another.
Even when he wears a mask, it strangely covers his normal side and it leaves the scarred one exposed, another proof that they don’t really hate him and Albert is rather consumed by his childhood trauma instead of years of abuse, neglect or desolation as some people believe

[iron berry]

I totally think this too

It's just that Albert really took the childhood bullying to heart and it traumatised him for life

[floral mauve]

average serial killer

[bright parrot]

IDK why albert always fascinated me

[ivory girder]

tpw was supposed to be about why albert was albert but rl team couldnt really work it out so they rebooted it iirc

[high talon]

Albert is Albert bcs hes Albert haven't you been paying attention smh /j

[delicate atlas]

That adds nuance to her character, I like it tbh

[floral mauve]

I dont agree with it neither cuz it wont explain the memory recovery and extra narcicistic aspect

[delicate atlas]

I personally think the narcissism comes from her being blind previously and now she can see she can't get enough of herself

She also always was the artsy type in paradise so she's artsy in hotel and in theatre

[floral mauve]

maybe this

though memory part is still a problem

[stone bramble]

I like the idea that since pheasants having keen senses of their surroundings she knew she was in danger so she committed before harvey could get her. Or at least tried to get a show out of it

I do like the idea that the pheasant flinched when harvey took the pic and that’s how she shot herself

[ebon aspen]

She sure didnt know she was holding a gun

[floral mauve]

so ur idea is saying, when sense the danger, its not fight back but just kill herself before someone kill her first

thats 💀

[ebon aspen]

And yeah, harv prolly took advantage of that to kill her in a twisted manner

Why tho besides gameplay and funsies

[stone bramble]

I mean where would she go if she did overtake harvey

they’re surrounded by a huge lake

and the bat and crow are on lookout

[floral mauve]

I wont develop further but just saying pheasant commited suicide not to escape from harvey, its more of her own issues like depression or so

[ebon aspen]

In matters of corrupted memories and whatnot, commiting suicide and being murdered couldve diff outcomes (either for the better or for the worst)?

She could be aware of smth or whatever

She did turned out to reincarnate as the lady of the lake later, so dunno if it has smth to do with how she died

[azure bay]

The guests don't look like remembering their past lives

[pearl seal]

Besides, wasn't this gun only for the dress up? One might say it's supposed to be a fake

I think the "shot" that Harvey gave must have triggered the gun to fire in some rusty lake magic way

[azure bay]

Somehow the gun fired

So it did decades later when Dale returned in 1939 and gave it to grandpa

[ebon aspen]

Their deaths sure relate to their human lives, but calling the axe simply a reflection of boar being dumb is kinda ehhh

[azure bay]

It ends with Nicolas. For the rest we have no evidence to link their death to their human countrrparts

[ebon aspen]

Yeah thats pretty much a given but its hard to tell some stuff about the animal personas, specially the multiple deers

I just wouldnt be so shallow as "rabbit bc of magic" or "boars are lazy"

(Not that the eilanders matter much now theyre all dead, besides rabbit and pheasant theres nothing really important for them nowadays)

Not that i know

There was one for tpw bf its release

[covert wyvern]

and I think the one before that was during the indie arena?

[azure bay]

My favorite femboyz

[covert wyvern]

Worrysome.

although this is a fun concept.

[errant trellis]

Human characters?

sorry I'm not good with names yet! what game is that from?

[covert wyvern]

Paradise.

[errant trellis]

ohhhh okay!!

so Jakob is in the eilender (sorry that's almost definitely spelt wrong) family? which one is he

sorry I need to familiarise myself with the characters more

[covert wyvern]

Mr Owl

[errant trellis]

ohhhh!!!

[fresh jackal]

(I'm not sure if it fits on theories and if it isn't i apologise)

I noticed while rearranging Dales memories in Paradox, each room is a reference to each Cube Escape game, and the only room that we don't use is the Arles room

Is it because Van Gogh isn't entirely relevant or is there a deeper meaning on why it isn't really used

[floral mauve]

probably

[fresh jackal]

Ooooh

[ebon aspen]

Which is the game that substitutes arles?

Or is it there and you just didnt used it to finish the puzzle?

[hollow igloo]

Actually, the blue room is probably a reference to Arles

[ebon aspen]

Yeah i was thinking thats the case but couldnt really remember the wallpapers from each game so found it better to ask

[hollow igloo]

If I remember correctly it’s the same texture. Still, there are no other blue rooms in the series

[delicate atlas]

Yeah it has the same texture

Arles had wood boards painted with blue texture on the walls

Like it's obviously wooden borads painted because of the lines on it

Hope I'm making sense

[slow ridge]

I saw some theories saying that the vanderboom brothers have been manupulating their descendants to become sacrifice ever since the beginning. From luring James back home, beguiling Albert and guiding Rose etc. But I don't think they manipulate everything the whole time. I suppose most the events only happen under the will of the family members and what Aldous and William mostly do is to pick what's left behind. They won't really make them killing each other and only Albert is do the job

Some even says Aldous deliberately kill William in order to be enlightened. Because the exilir would need two people drink it to satisfy the ritual (one enlighten, one die). But first, he won't know will William really die (he would not drink that if he lives). Second, why wasting time to get him back if he really want him dead?

[halcyon nacelle]

maybe it didn't matter which of the two died

it was just important that one of them did

[azure bay]

I'll say more

It didn't matter who'd find enlightenment

[halcyon nacelle]

if aldous died, William would have taken the role of "mr crow" probably

[azure bay]

Yeah

[halcyon nacelle]

also has Harvey always been an animal?

like
born a bird

[azure bay]

Usually you are reborn conventionally

[halcyon nacelle]

hm

[azure bay]

Transformations are about corruption/enlightenment

Usually, again

Speaking of Harvey

According to rumors, the devs said that Harvey is born from a black egg

Also that the bird is ancient

[halcyon nacelle]

yeah

why did they get a humanoid form tho

[azure bay]

No idea

[halcyon nacelle]

maybe they drank the elixir?

[azure bay]

But in the secret Bday scene that form died

[halcyon nacelle]

yeah

[azure bay]

And Owl made harvey reborn as a bird

[azure bay]

Did nothing like that to the dog. So unlikely

[halcyon nacelle]

so maybe Harvey was a human?

so
Harvey was a human, became a parrot person
got "killed"
and then reborn as a female parrot?

[azure bay]

If Harvey was a human it happened after Paradise

[halcyon nacelle]

maybe mr owl had something to do with it

maybe he knew Harvey personally

[maiden pebble]

Ida is rose mother in someway right. What is Ida surname though there is not much told about her she could be related as rose and Jacob's mother looks similar(someone mentioned it wayback in this channel)

Related to lake

[covert wyvern]

Pretty sure it's reiziger

[maiden pebble]

About Harvey i can say that he might be an parrot in the first place he becam enchanted and then obtained a human shape because he has hands and legs which are also like a parrot. Mr.Crow cannot stay as a crow but can as human but Harvey can stay as parrot but not human. After hotel incident he lost his ability to turn into human. And same with toad and bat they are animal who got enchanted

[azure bay]

After Hotel incident Harvey died and shifted downwards through samsara wheel.

Aldous is always depicted as an asura, Harvey is always depicted as an animal, humans are depicted as humans

[hardy terrace]

I am confused about a part of the lore (I mean I'm confused about the whole lore but this part in particular is confusing to me) : Jakob Eilander is Mr Owl according to the timeline in Rusty Lake wiki, however I see a ton of people saying that he also killed Dale's family as Mr Rabbit

[azure bay]

Mr. Rabbit isn't Jakob

[void shale]

Wasn't mr rabbit his brother?

[hardy terrace]

that's what I thought too

[azure bay]

he's David Eilander

[hardy terrace]

with the masks and stuff in Paradise

[void shale]

Yeah, that's what I thought too

[hardy terrace]

and then that means that the people in hotel are the Eilanders right?

[void shale]

Also Jacob taking revenge on his family after theyr tried to kill him

[azure bay]

pretty much yeah

[hardy terrace]

oki doki

thanks

[azure bay]

Even if there was a revenge it wasn't the primary motive

[void shale]

True

Bit still, it's fun to connect several motives to the actions of the characters. After all Mr Owl could have invited anyone to take their memories, but still decided to use his "family", the same family that tried to sacrifice him in paradise

[azure bay]

we don't know if anyone would do

it wasn't regular memory extraction business

he needed a very specific memory of the future

[void shale]

I guess. Still, i like to think it this way tho, it's the story I enjoy the most /lh

[azure bay]

I personally enjoy seeing him as a pragmatic mastermind appreciating his position and understanding that rebirth wipes out all the wrongdoings both for the wrongdoer and the victim

[void shale]

I haven't really thought that far, as im still new yo the games and still have to make sense of it all, but while i do think that he's very pragmatic, that doesn't make him less human, imo. He still has emotions and i like to believe he still harbors anger towards his old family, or that he did. Then again he could've also just thought that his family was just the most logical solution to the memory extraction problem. After all his family was very much a cult and he might've just thought all of this is normal simply because he grew in said cult. I do believe he appreciates his position, but i also see him having very distorted views due to his upbringing. Also, going back to my initial point, just because I think all of this doesn't mean I don't think he was angry at his family, whether he himself was aware of it or not.

(Ps: I don't know if that made sense or not, i hope it does haha)

[azure bay]

it does

I'm just not sure if his cult past would affect him very much

after all he lived 3/4 of his life away from his family

[void shale]

He did? I didn't catch that

Then it probably doesn't I guess haha
My theory revolved around him living most of the time with his family lol

[azure bay]

He left after the 1st attempt to sacrifice him and returned only 15 years later when he got a letter speaking about his mother's death

and Paradox revealed he was 20

at least when he received the letter

[void shale]

Ohhhh ok ok!!! Yeah, I remember now! Oof, i had just removed it from my brain

[stone bramble]

damn jakob was 5 when he was originally gonna be sacrificed 😭

[floral mauve]

idk his mom died recently before he returns

so technically thats the sacrifice time?

[stone bramble]

I wonder why it took so long for caroline to be sacrificed

[floral mauve]

right timing

or water level

[celest quail]

Both of the above?

Unless she died just after he left and they only contacted him years later because he needed to be a better age for sacrifice.

[azure bay]

the children looked grown up during the funeral memory

[celest quail]

I just played paradise s I'm not well versedin it.
But in real life I know a funeral doesn't have to take place right after death.

[azure bay]

yeah, you'd better wait for 15 years

[celest quail]

😅

[azure bay]

@median solstice it wasn't Dale who arrested Bob. His lead was the lake and he couldn't think of anything else. His own words.

Just saying

[median solstice]

Well at least dale was arrested

I mean Bob ☠️

No energy for this rn lol

[ebon aspen]

Bob failed in committing suicide

And twd is way after he goes into custody

Again, he didnt commit suicide, he tried to do so but failed and got corrupted for the first time
Dale then takes him into custody bc he was the only person he knew that could hold a clue about laura, but bob fled from the police station after getting corrupted again
He then regained consciouness and called twd (he knew about them after seeing the tv ad and everything else) and got taken by them to be treated

[ebon aspen]

Laura's memories got extracted in the mill and retrieved in the cave, twd isnt about her but rather about bob overcoming his trauma
Mr owl surely was keeping an eye on bob, but for someone that stole a body from a crime scene, not kidnapping bob right off the bat kinda means bob wasnt targeted that much

[azure bay]

Dude, learn the dates already at least those of Seasons and Case 23.

Theatre took place in 1971, TWD was in 1972. There's a huge gap even Case 23 is unable to close completely

Bob woke up in the street shortly after escaping the police station

Because said police station was another flashback

Yeah, but, as I said, the police station was another flashback Bob saw during his TWD stay

Dale didn't interrogate anyone

He was fixated on the lake

there wasn't interrogation. Bob went corrupted while waiting for it

[ebon aspen]

Ig its just a case of being lost in translation, no reason to dwell on it

Anyway, mario, why would the gap between theatre and c23 be weird?

[azure bay]

it took them months to arrest him for interrogation

what scene 1?

it was ch2

and I think he just escaped

Owl's intervention would be more obvious for us, I think

and eventually Bob woke up after a mysterious change of clothes

[ebon aspen]

Again, why would that he weird or imply there a plothole? (I suppose youre just stating the facts, but if you also think the gap is smth to consider then i wanna hear your thoughts too)

[azure bay]

I'm not saying there necessarily is

quite the opposite

considering Dale asking Bob for his memory and Bob giving it, all according to Owl's test he mentioned in The Mill, I tend to think that was another scheme

we no nothing about what Dale saw

we can't even be 100% sure they spoke there in the 1st place

yeah

hmmm

Would Bob show Dale Laura's letter?

we know less of Dale's perspective than we'd like to

we know next to nothing about his attitude towards Bob

we no next to nothing about their supposed dialogue at the bar

we don't know if Dale saw the shot

but I assume they at least met

and had said dialogue

I was just wondering if Bob would show the letter

that would be a piece of evidence, I reckon

that could further reassure Dale of the lake's involvement

depends on the ending

also Sarah's ending seems sus

Owl was warned about her days in advance

[azure bay]

Sarah's normal ending

It's weird it happened with all Owl's knowledge

[vague imp]

Guys what is up with bob ?

I can't understand when he actually got corrupted

At white door ? At the theatre ? At the police station?????

[azure bay]

yes

all the 3 times

[vague imp]

w h a t

But how would he get corrupted thrice?

[azure bay]

I'd rather ask how he'd get back to normal twice

[vague imp]

Yeah that's what I meant to say

[azure bay]

no idea

[vague imp]

But in theory wouldn't that make the rebirth process dull and empty of sense ?

[azure bay]

he wasn't reborn

he wasn't even dead

[vague imp]

I'm not talking about bob

I'm referring to William

[azure bay]

William was dead

and he lost his body

[vague imp]

If you extract a bad memory of a dead person they turn into a CS then if they somehow reverse back to normal they would in theory be reborn without any sacrifice 🤔

Or would they perhaps die back ???

[azure bay]

Dead is the keyword here, I think

Bob wasn't dead

2 last corruptions were psychological

[vague imp]

How so?

[azure bay]

depression, stress and madness

[vague imp]

Okay so after extracting a bad memory from someone,and after they somehow return normal they become able to corrupt due to very negative emotion?

As if they became unstable?

[azure bay]

I think generally weak people can go corrupted due to strong negative emotions

van Gogh doesn't seem like anyone extracted his memories

I even theorize that painful memory extraction causes such negative emotions

[vague imp]

That's actually a very good theory

[azure bay]

BKM confirmed that mentally stable people have greater chances not to corrupt

[vague imp]

Ah The ARG

So was Laura mentally strong?

[azure bay]

she wasn't

she was prescribed Prozac long years before her trip to the lake

[vague imp]

Btw what is Prozac

What does it do actually?

[azure bay]

antidepressant

[vague imp]

Ok

So Laura was mentally weak but not enough to corrupt on her own

[azure bay]

maybe she was

there was a scene of her becoming corrupted knee-deep in the lake

could be symbolic tho

[vague imp]

When ?

[azure bay]

Seasons

[vague imp]

Oh

I remember

Yeah in summer

But there are still the events of the mill ?

[azure bay]

yes

[vague imp]

Okay , what corrupted Caroline ?

Nvm

[azure bay]

painful death, I assume

[vague imp]

I just realized that her memories were somehow extracted

[azure bay]

I think they lifted in the air with smoke

I mean

there were cubes doing so

could be THE cubes

[vague imp]

Yeah I see

I have a theory on how can a corrupted soul control itself

I believe that if the Corrupted Soul is mentally strong (such as Caroline) they can actually control themselves as we see her trusting her son

[azure bay]

I think it's about determination

some CS have goals

Caroline, William, Albert, Laura in winter

[vague imp]

And on the opposite if a corrupted soul is mentally weak (such as Laura) they completely lose it (like when she starts to attempt killing Harvey)

[azure bay]

Laura's exemple is fascinating

she was feral initially

but later on became so advanced that built a time machine

[vague imp]

Yeah it could also be determination what makes the mind strong

Maybe Caroline lost it at the first moments when she got corrupted

[azure bay]

I think corruption was a part of her plan

[vague imp]

You mean she already was determined?

[azure bay]

yeah

[vague imp]

I believe the same happened with Albert

Since when he turned into a CS he already knew what to do

He was slightly weird but still helpful

[azure bay]

his coin corruption doesn't fit into emotional damage theory

[vague imp]

Now that you mention it

how can a coin corruption even happen

[azure bay]

no idea

[vague imp]

It doesn't, bro is emotionless and got corrupted by a coin

My bad

Albert is a bad example of that theory

[azure bay]

I could argue that Albert wasn't the most stable person

that could set him apart from James

but becoming corrupted by coins seems too cheap on its own. That's a common tradition, imagine how many deaths of common folk there would be

[vague imp]

Do you mean to say : coin + unstable = Corruption

[azure bay]

maybe

[vague imp]

Well I could also argue back that there may be a lot of corrupted souls that we never knew a thing about.

But It also seems to me that we're overthinking

On the coin's corruption

I'll quickly re-check that passage in the game to see if it was exactly the coins that corrupted Albert.

[azure bay]

the computer warned about that

[vague imp]

Yeah I just checked it out

It would seem that it was very precisely the coins that corrupted him...

[azure bay]

could be gameplay

[vague imp]

Yeah

Btw what was the father of Jackob trying to achieve by search through Caroline's memories ?

[azure bay]

there was elixir hidden

[vague imp]

Okay so he wanted to find how to make the elixir....

[azure bay]

likely

[vague imp]

Okay let's get back to my first question

I may have a speculation

About how to turn a CS uncorrupt

I theorize it's by easing painful memories, or by getting Amnesia

I'll explain why

1 - In the bonus level of The white Door we have to play as Sarah who erased all of Bob's memories of Laura, in the end he is shown with Sarah uncorrupted after he wrote his book, He most likely thought that he was accused for no reasons since he didn't remember his relationship with Laura (which is the one and only thing that almost ruined his whole life and provided him strong negative emotions)

2 - After he shot his head and got his memories extracted at the theater he was corrupted for a moment but he may have had brain damage from the bullet which made him forget what happened.

3 - At the party , after the theatre's events he was amnesiac it's only when he realized he shot himself and remembered the stress he had while being held at detention center (and most likely the reason why) when he saw Dale that he re-experienced the strong negative emotion that corrupted him once again.

[azure bay]

the party was his fever dream

[vague imp]

Oh, I thought this was a memory

[azure bay]

a memory of a fever dream

memories are usually faithful in RL

at least they follow the same laws the reality does

and reality is a cube too

maybe someone else's memory

[vague imp]

by the way was the DJ in his fever's dream mr owl ?

[azure bay]

yep

[vague imp]

Okay well it would have corrupted him but since he already was corrupted when he was remembering his dream, ignore my 3rd reason

However there is a plothole in my theory that creates itself

Or maybe a mystery to be more accurate

Assuming my theory is somehow not very wrong, what would have made him amnesiac/forget bad memories at the time span between his arrest and Theatre's events ?

[azure bay]

he had memory straight extracted

the rest he probably gave to Dale

[vague imp]

We don't know how his memory was extracted from Dale (at the police station) right ?

[azure bay]

I think CS can just lose their cubes

[vague imp]

Okay, that would really support the theory

[azure bay]

how exactly?

[vague imp]

That could result in him just forgetting a bad memory and dropping a black cube on his own without experiencing a negative emotion

Or maybe without experiencing the bad emotion for a long moment or slightly experiencing it then forgetting it

Anyways that's just a theory that happens to take account of many coincidences, I'd like to hear your opinion/rebuttal (if you disagree) about it

And + I'm only working my theory on Bob I'm not even calculating other CSs

[azure bay]

I agree that memory meddling brought Bob back in TWD

about other recoveries of his I'm not so sure

[vague imp]

Okay the theater one was 100% based on his fever dream
(Since I assumed he forgot what happened after he shot his head)

And the police station's recovery was mere speculation

I too am no longer sure about this now 😅

Here is another speculation, maybe the key factor that allowed Bob to recover is the fact that he was actually alive

Maybe if we were to shot bob's and even Laura's corrupted soul 3 fireflies they would just normally recover

[azure bay]

or scare them away

[vague imp]

But I still can't prouve/present any argument that builds this statement 💀
Do you think it's possible ?

[azure bay]

I don't know

I think not

fireflies were seemingly to fight the soul, not cure it

[vague imp]

Good point

[north hound]

I agree

cuz

if the root of what causes corruption is those memories that r painful and sad to the soul's mind

then what should relieve/ get rid of corruption is forgetting them

[azure bay]

but that's not always the memories

it was in Bob's case

[halcyon nacelle]

I'm still kinda confused on corruption

as in what kind of state it is

[floral mauve]

not dead but not human

[halcyon nacelle]

are some souls more corrupt than others?

the shadowy figures especially kinda confuse me

[halcyon nacelle]

so kinda like ghosts?

or phantoms

[floral mauve]

yea

[halcyon nacelle]

can Alive people have a corrupt soul inside them?

while they are still flesh and blood

[floral mauve]

ehm, u can say ppl can transform into

[floral mauve]

probably

[halcyon nacelle]

ah yeah that's what confused me

so it's a transformation kinda

[floral mauve]

yea

[halcyon nacelle]

they shift into this form

[floral mauve]

its easy to shift into when you are flesh and alive and switch back but when you are in soul form its much harder to return back to human state

[halcyon nacelle]

maybe the corrupt soup mirror/reflection jumpscares are the corrupt soul inside you (whoever you playing as at the moment)

[halcyon nacelle]

like William

[floral mauve]

yea

like Rabbit as well

[halcyon nacelle]

yeah

dale is hanging on

bob seemed to have somewhat got rid of it?

[floral mauve]

yea he returned and recovered from it

[halcyon nacelle]

since the memories are gone

for Dale his memories have been altered correct?

like birthday

[floral mauve]

yea

[halcyon nacelle]

birthday being probably his worst memory

[bright parrot]

Are we sure that these both are same guy

[ebon aspen]

Who do you suppose they are?

[bright parrot]

Idk

2 different guys

They have different hair colour

Different clothes

But

We saw a new(different) bob in TWD

So I can't say for sure

But its written on wiki that he is bob

[azure bay]

Just as we saw a new Dale, new Laura and a new Crow in Paradox

Global redesign

[bright parrot]

Yes

So here's what I think

People don't change clothes that easily in RL

If devs changed Bob's clothes intentionally

That may mean

That he was free

After theatre

And was living a "regular" life

I know this statement may seem senseless

And baseless

(Also it may not mean anything. It is just a peice of puzzle in the theory of "Bob was with dale before TWD"

[azure bay]

We have the very same 2 scenes in TWD. Bob has the same outfit

And it's intended to be the same from the very beginning

@bright parrot

[bright parrot]

Thankyou

[weak iron]

1st one is wearing a green jacket the other is wearing a green shirt

[weak iron]

nvm this shot is more detailed yup theyre the same person

[bright parrot]

Yes
But it's confirmed that he is bob

[stone bramble]

what do y’all think happened after jakob turned into mr owl at the end of paradise? Like was everyone like oh jakob is an owl now nice 🧍

[pallid wren]

I think i found some lore on the https://www.rustylake.com/ website on the top of the page there is the boat rowing guy found in the games you can spam click random places on the top(or maybe its specific combos for secrets) and then different lights in the rusty lake hotel will light up revealing silhouettes of the characters. I have also seen a monster that eats you and resets the hotel lights. I wonder if something happens if you unlock all the lights

[covert wyvern]

yeah it does, it used to be a secret giveaway:)

very much finished now.

[pallid wren]

o

can you still complete the minigame

[covert wyvern]

yeah

[pallid wren]

i finished the game 3 times in a row and it gave me "there will be blood" "you know what to do" and "the past is not dead its not even past" so i looked through the javascript and found the sprites used in the game

[covert wyvern]

Hey, that’s cool! But make sure not to do same thing to the games bcs we have a “no data-mining” rule on the server.

be sure you're familiar with the #✅｜rules before posting:)

[pallid wren]

ok thanks for the heads up

[azure bay]

I think they didn't

they were enlightened too

they became the guests

which didn't look like remembering their past lives

and even if they were not reborn right away, Owl wouldn't likely reveal himself

they didn't know he was to replace the cult

[stone bramble]

ah

[vague imp]

Actually you need to move the boat to collect the falling leaves 🍃to have one light on, each time you fully light the hotel something happen :
On the first time : You know what to do appears
On the second time : There will be blood appears
On the third time : The past is never dead it's not even past appears
On the fourth time : Click here appears and it sends you to down the lake contest which is closed 🔐

[slow ridge]

So I played case 23 and mill before, and I wish someone could explain to me the time gap between them.
In 1971, Dale investigated Laura’s murder case in her house. He made a Dale to Mr Crow. Laura’s body then turn upside down and disappeared, then chapter 2, 3happened (1972)
Mr Crow receives her body in a clock, Mr Owl then summons a rain next to Dale’s body, which it is summoned to the temple after chapter 2, and signifies the opening of chapter 3. So we should simply assume that The Mill happens in 1972-1972, but how did things happen that quick? Did it took a whole year to transfer Laura’s body to the mill? Or did her body was only carried to there when Dale put the cubes into the TV during chapter 2? That’s a question I wish to confirm.

[floral mauve]

I put in a way as literal the time stopped at Mill, or l||ake has no time, tpw characteristic||
which made Laura remaining fresh (the grandfather clock could also has something to do it because William also got preserved well in Roots)
The time gap between chapter 1 and 2 is mainly related to Dale's problem solving skill, it took him months of investigations

[bright parrot]

Can anyone explain me what does presence of crow and fish in Harvey's box tell us

Or is it just non canon

[ebon aspen]

Its canon

What it means, cant really say tbh

[azure bay]

All are references to Rene Magritte's paintings

less sure about Crow being a reference but such outfit can often be seen on Magritte's paintings

[bright parrot]

Atleast clothing of crow was a refrence

[azure bay]

no, I meant I wasn't sure about clothing

there's definitely no crow-headed person drawn by him

and the outfit could be a coincidence

[delicate atlas]

Nice information nonetheless

Thank you

Found this

Very similar to Harvey's box characters

[ebon aspen]

Oh shoot