mess-hall

[echo karma]

Offensive could have a ticket system too, but it's just a short ish time limit

[azure heath]

Give me a week with the source code and I would cook the greatest gamemode in existence.

[echo karma]

Game would burn to the ground with the slightest number change

[azure heath]

likely

[echo karma]

We have tank mode already

It's boring af

[azure heath]

We do?

[echo karma]

There's a few servers tank only. Basically who shot 1st always wins

Who spotted 1st

[azure heath]

Unless you're in an SPA

those things 1 tap from what I've seen\

[past vortex]

thats not a tank tho

[echo karma]

Kv2 is not an spa

[azure heath]

true

[glossy echo]

Ragebait things

SPA

[echo karma]

150mil does not 1 shot at all

Should but doesn't cuz we gotta have fair game around here. Meanwhile mg42 literally not fair at all

[azure heath]

I know nothing about this game anymore

[past vortex]

3,81 mm ?

[echo karma]

Kv2 is 150mill irl. Idk what it is in game

[past vortex]

im sure the cannon is somewhat bigger

[cosmic pilot]

Not if all the spawn points are gone 😉

[echo karma]

Also was a ifv kinda. Seldom used in tank v tank

[past vortex]

airhead

[cosmic pilot]

Now do you understand?

[azure heath]

Let's just copy RAAS from squad

[cosmic pilot]

Blocked

[echo karma]

Assault gun as they called it. Basically an ifv

[past vortex]

then halftrack

[glossy echo]

You used to know before

[past vortex]

also supply drop on recon in your hq

[azure heath]

Infantry Fighting Vehicle? That doesn't make much sense. A Bradley is the modern equivalent of that.

[azure heath]

2000 hours taught me a lot.

[echo karma]

Yes but old was bout having the biggest gun. They use an Abrams to blow holes in everything. Bradley can equip a bigger gun

[azure heath]

But now I'm out of practice

[past vortex]

ISV

[glossy echo]

Can you explain carries

I'm learning about the game before buying

[echo karma]

Kv2 was to assault fortified positions. But late war af. Calling it a ifv bit of a stretch but that's its purpose mostly

[past vortex]

kv2 wasnt late war at all

[azure heath]

They were Assault Guns and SPGs and it wasn't that late war

[echo karma]

Schmedium late. Also bout as dependable as a tiger2

Prone to mechanical failure

[azure heath]

explain carries? like a singular squad carrying their team's back by building garrisons in tactical locations?

[glossy echo]

Gars

Not carry

[echo karma]

So @cosmic pilot

[glossy echo]

Not carrisons

[azure heath]

You want me to explain garrisons to you?

[echo karma]

Garry is a cool guy

[glossy echo]

Is it cheater?

[echo karma]

Yes

Ban all Gary now

[glossy echo]

He is now my enemi

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/garrison-mr-garrison-mrs-garrison-ms-garrison-south-park-gif-13898529

What I imagine garrisons look like

[cosmic pilot]

Guys, muph is a muppet

Idk how he even finds the server once every blue moon

[glossy echo]

I'm goona make them.my nemesis and make it say nemesis:gary(10)

[echo karma]

That's mean bro. Can't change ya name

We know you Mr gary hater

[wintry thistle]

Just like in real life

[glossy echo]

Does he like outpost?

[echo karma]

Basically yeah but once you play the game so much you know the optimal tank spots etc. No variance in tank combat. Shoot die

[wintry thistle]

That’s a issue with these games

Honestly don’t think anything can ever be done

[devout monolith]

It's just brutal

[echo karma]

Overhaul the tank systems

[cosmic pilot]

Rng in my skill based shooter?
Execute him

[echo karma]

Let modders take over after t17 abandons for hllV

[wintry thistle]

There is always rng

[devout monolith]

Not in this

[echo karma]

They can barely make us a map within 3 months. Hll dead once V drops

[echo karma]

Just make it realistic. Yeah It sucks getting shot but you'll learn eventually. 75mil should 1 tap within 3km no? So always 1 tap at our ranges. It will always overpen

Pak40 don't 1shot and it's literally the same gun

[wintry thistle]

Even in games with realistic tanks it's a problem

there will always be meta spots

absolutely nothing you can do to fix that

[echo karma]

It's rng based in s44 too.

[wintry thistle]

luck plays a heavy part in war

[echo karma]

That is a reality tho

[glossy echo]

Yeah man without luck I can't jump up to one of the houses in hospice

[echo karma]

A tiger point blank ain't stopping a 75mill. It's dead

[glossy echo]

I can get shot if I fall down

[slate canopy]

Ah it's the daily rant from Muph.

[echo karma]

Hows your day, mam?

[slate canopy]

A little stressful at work.

[echo karma]

Whats wrong?

We go f em up rn

[glossy echo]

Where do you work

I can sue them

[slate canopy]

Just lots of samples to process still.

[wooden cloud]

i keep seeing you on my arc raiders friends list!

[glossy echo]

Scientist?

[azure heath]

We have to play sometime!

[echo karma]

What I tell you bout that gurl

[wooden cloud]

https://klipy.com/gifs/south-park-dragon

im addicted

[echo karma]

Could be a blood tech

[azure heath]

I just barely have time to play much of anything nowadays

[echo karma]

I'm stuck on dayz but not for fun tbh

[dusty bolt]

Good morning chat

[glossy echo]

Hola amigo

[thin lotus]

No glow, I cannot and will not seed a server at 4am. Stop asking

[finite berry]

Had to chuckle

[dusty bolt]

For someone who hates the game as much as you do,you do like to hang around 🙂

[past vortex]

the classic "i have 5k hours in the game and i hated every second of it"

[echo karma]

Chum is my favorite broski too

No doom posting tho. We get in trouble

[gleaming meteor]

Hey, lads. Is the Test Branch (the other Steam entry) still somehting the devs use or is everything done theough the Experimental Branch now?

[thin lotus]

Hate isnt the right word. Theres no hate

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-laughing-gif-5875398

[echo karma]

Chum likes garrisons

[glossy echo]

Opposite of recon hater

[atomic pendant]

It's through the experimental branch

[echo karma]

I'm tryna experiment on you, bb

[cosmic pilot]

You can't stop him from chumming

[errant moss]

no one wants conquest mode
can you fix hit registration and the level 1 bug?
thx

[glossy echo]

Say it do the devs

[slate canopy]

Lab tech.

Not appropriate.

[echo karma]

Blood?

[glossy echo]

Cool!

Is it fun?

[slate canopy]

You know that's not what you said

[echo karma]

You said lab tech but never said what your samples where.

Were

Are you an lpn lab tech?

[covert elbow]

So warfare but in steroids

[slate canopy]

Nope. Senior Lab tech. We just process, not collect. It's all drugs in urine(90%), plasma and oral fluids.

[echo karma]

Yeah my moms was gonna be a lab tech. Apparently you can be an lpn forensics lab tech

[slate canopy]

We are independent so we don't need the LPN part. We get samples all over the US

[stoic garnet]

How much to let my drug test slide

[slate canopy]

Too much for you

[little dragon]

I just saw Hll:Vietnam for pre order at gamestop. Is that legit?

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-it-down-all-elmo-fire-flame-gif-13031633293245552328

[gentle lintel]

probably not

as we know no information yet

[short hatch]

No

[past vortex]

id say no too
but its gamestop and fireshine games

at least it apears so

[visual niche]

Yeah I think some other major retailers have it listed already

[oak current]

maxim!

[past vortex]

rather cheap isnt it

[little dragon]

I think once GTA releases more info. We'll get a release date. Just a thought.

[past vortex]

so many things need to happen before gta

[river rover]

November 19, 2026 GTA6

[pine ember]

HLL Vietnam too?

[nimble igloo]

hello

[finite berry]

hello

[past veldt]

hello

[glossy echo]

hello

[azure heath]

Who knows if they stick to that

It was delayed what? 5 times

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

You broke the cycle

[silent lotus]

Bro they must be releasing Vietnam soon they're releasing more pics and saying you can preorder

[azure heath]

They're releasing preorders soon

Probably will be out in one to three months

Also what on earth is "Fireshine Games"

[thin lotus]

Is t17 passing the buck

[river rover]

Publisher.

[azure heath]

Thought T17 was

[vast sail]

Did you fetch your handwritten specs?

[past vortex]

not sure, highly philosophical question

oh yea fireshine is the publisher for t17
i always thought t17 is a publisher on its own
who knew

[hasty token]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[past vortex]

no

[hasty token]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[past vortex]

just choose your server wisely

[novel geyser]

the horrid infinite hill of publishers and parent companies in the games industry

[past veldt]

It's not infinite. The Mouse is always at the top of the hill

[river rover]

You can have multiple publishers. It's how you distribute the game. I think they work like a retailer.

[sour forum]

Im confused on why the german spa doesnt have an mg for the driver or gunner when they were outfitted with them in WWII

[covert elbow]

Your looking at the later model of the tank. The first model (the one in game) is the original early model without the coaxial MG

Why the chose that over the later model?

They also made it an SPA so idk what’s going on anymore

[dim glen]

When will HLL add a map in India where one side is the British Garrison and the other is anti-british Indians

[analog wigeon]

when is vietnam dropping

[slate canopy]

We don't know yet.

Get the Vietnam role in id:customize to get updates in Sit-reps #sit-reps

[glossy echo]

are you black or else you shouldnt say it

[glossy echo]

I miss old menu music

[golden shard]

relatable

[glossy echo]

Nice

I grinded this game last summer with a friend and it was peak hell let loose

[golden shard]

ah yes you cant say the f word in this server but u can say a racial slur. perfectttt

[glossy echo]

Tbf he is 16% black

[golden shard]

I cant tell if ur serious or not 😭

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

I'm not sadly

[unique hollow]

hi

[glossy echo]

What's up

[tall kettle]

The racially charged dark sorcerer has been vanquished from this realm.

[worthy charm]

HLL Bot, our hero without a cape.

[vast sail]

Yea im super Happy he protect me from hatespeech this day ! What am i gonna do otherwise.

[tall kettle]

Now now, I don’t do it for the clout. Just a regular citizen doing what they can.

[blazing marsh]

When hll Vietnam releasing I alr see it in xbox store

[pine ember]

2026

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-care-negan-gif-7678839974651949698

[glad parrot]

How many times is this gonna be asked 🤦🏼‍♂️

[worthy charm]

Yes

[azure heath]

at least once

@mellow knoll hi

[mellow knoll]

hi

[worthy charm]

@mellow knoll ||SPAs||

[azure heath]

How's it going for ya?

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-okay-stimpy-ren-%26-stimpy-i'm-doing-good-comedy-central-gif-8026018833316774237

How’s it going with you Smoggles? Been a bit.

[cyan saddle]

Should we do something similar for Vietnam?

[azure heath]

Same old. Studying up and that's about it

[charred patio]

how to fix vc not connecting

[azure heath]

You can't just force the VC to connect with you

they're their own people

in all seriousness, I have no idea

[river rover]

In Windows be sure you have a single Playback and single Recording device. Disable all others. Then click the Sound RESET button. See if that then helps while in game.

[ashen kindle]

Hey, a moderator locked my recruitment post
Are they getting locked after some time?

[slate canopy]

Open a modmail and we can figure it out. We don't go and lock them. It locks automatically after no bump in 30 days.

[ashen kindle]

Oh, that may be the reason then 🙂
Will do, thank you Bear!

[frozen sorrel]

Yo HLL, I'm tired of MGs sniping across the map. I've been trying to line up an MG through the german scope before and they were so far away that the building he was in wasn't loading and he ended up sniping me in the head instead. Nerf MGs. Fuzz their vision at distance to prevent this ridiculousness

[cosmic pilot]

No

[frozen sorrel]

How is that considered something that makes sense?

[glossy echo]

What settings

[frozen sorrel]

max

[cosmic pilot]

Imagine complaining about the 1919 and not the mg42

[glossy echo]

Map?

[frozen sorrel]

hurtgen

[glossy echo]

I have never played it as recon when using kar 98 sniper but its render distance is bad

[azure heath]

Sometimes players are just better than you and you will die. Also MG is the most likely role for cheaters (aimbot or whatever they got), I can attest for being an Admin on a server for a decent bit.

[past veldt]

Giving MGs a different render distance to other players is a genuinely insane idea

[cosmic pilot]

How is that considered something that makes sense?

[azure heath]

Machine Gunners should lose 50% of their vision and need to go to the eye doctor mid-match, then they get a prescription, wait for it to get delivered, and then and only then will they be able to see normally again.

[past veldt]

Insane in a bad way

MGs should be required to play on 320x200 resolution

[thin lotus]

You’re getting beamed because every gun is a laser. When you give that trait to weapons that have 100+ rounds and this is the sort of gameplay you end up with, unsatisfying and low skilled.

[frozen sorrel]

An MG far enough away from me that they and their surroundings aren't visibly loading in while looking through the longest distance scope in the game somehow can 1 bullet headshot me is somehow a common occurrance. Sounds like the anti-cheat system is bad bad

[azure heath]

Were you skylining?

[frozen sorrel]

No. Nvm. This is just going to be a "u suck obvious, get gud" conversation

[azure heath]

Also if they were in a building or behind barbed wire they could literally have been invisible.

[thin lotus]

Players render to 500m, so you were definitely visible as were they

[azure heath]

And that's just a LOD issue.

[past veldt]

Obviously it is because you've just asked how an MG can hit you

[frozen sorrel]

yes, read into the wording and label me an idiot, thank you internet

[past veldt]

Are you okay?

[frozen sorrel]

no, you guys are toxic. Everyone sucks

[past veldt]

Which house on Hurtgen doesn't render properly anyway?

I can't think of any buildings you can be in with poor LODs?

[azure heath]

Oh Hurtgen?

Horrible LODs.

Just the foliage and trees alone could of hidden this guy.

Usually scopes help it render properly, but I've gotten in scenarios where people are hidden in plain sight.

[past veldt]

Yeah but he's said the building wasn't rendering properly

Which is weird. I don't know of any assets like that on Hurtgen

Does the main factory at Ruins not render properly at 500m?

[azure heath]

Could be the bunkers of Scar

Some of them don't load

[glossy echo]

Is this for school essay

[wind shore]

Yes I hope I get an A+

[slate canopy]

Keep drama out of here, thanks!

[wind shore]

Oh my god 🤣

Yall are all the same

All of you, so sad

[slate canopy]

K

[wind shore]

Thanks for taking the time to put your pronouns on your profile

[slate canopy]

Thanks for noticing ❤️

[wind shore]

😭🤣

[finite berry]

account created on 9th of April
joined on 9th of April
mfw

[wind shore]

Aight I’m deleting this dumbahh app now.

Everyone! Jesus loves you!

There is a world away from the screens! And It’s beautiful.

[past vortex]

he prob doesnt love you tho :D

[finite berry]

dum🐑

[wind shore]

Yes I refused to download discord for years. If the she/her didn’t delete my chat you’d know why.

You all are sad.

[finite berry]

You already said that

[past vortex]

another broken spirit to polarbears name

the count goes on

[azure heath]

Soulbreaker

[slate canopy]

They complained about an ingame server and wanted to make drama. No thanks.

[nova pivot]

But...

We like drama

[past veldt]

Yeah ngl I was half way through reading it

[finite berry]

Can I complain about this server and make drama :D

[slate canopy]

You do that anyway lol

[finite berry]

lmao, not the answer I expected ngl

Dunno whether I should be amused or feel offended :D

[azure heath]

Glow's Battlegrounds is such a goofy server. They have all of the things that makes a server good, but then they have Glow. Glow is a beautiful man, but his arrogance gets in the way sometimes.

[nova pivot]

Yeah If it was * 's battlegrounds * it would be better

[zinc bone]

Maybe, post Conquest test on Steam

[thin lotus]

No I will not seed your server at 4am. Stop asking

[covert elbow]

I see I missed something fun

[finite berry]

He still didn't delete this dum🐑 app yet

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[harsh egret]

I like this guy. Can we keep him?

I missed it all but seems fun

[azure heath]

dumbsheep?

[finite berry]

bahh

[pliant robin]

🐑

[past veldt]

At least tag the man

[midnight cobalt]

@fluid pawn Will the Galaxies Gaming Showcase reveal the release date

[azure heath]

How much do you want to bet that he doesn't have the right to say

[covert elbow]

$1000 that he doesn’t

[past veldt]

Ben, I'll take this bet and drop you 50% of the winnings if you say it

[fluid pawn]

I don't think that's enough for me to risk my job over sorry lad

[past veldt]

Worth a shot

[covert elbow]

@azure heath pay up

[covert elbow]

When are we getting bayonets btw

[modern thorn]

Dose anyone know what month the Canadians are being released 😭😭😭😭😭

[oak current]

not announced yet

pressumably with the next big update, which would bring a canadian map and with it, canadians...maybe

[past vortex]

wait does that mean ben makes more than 500

[summer verge]

Hello all

[cedar shuttle]

#mess-hall message

I havent seen this kind of message in a while, truly characteristic

[finite berry]

hello

[summer verge]

Greetings, xeno

[finite berry]

yippee

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-film-alien-film-franchise-sigourney-weaver-alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-gif-21458183

[summer verge]

I enjoyed the first two movies. The third, ehh..

[finite berry]

I like the third one too

The fourth is... meh

It's okayish, but nothing more

[summer verge]

I never saw Covenant

Heard some mixed stuff about it

[lucid tusk]

Covenant was just bad, romulus was fun but very safe (nothing wrong with that), Ridley just needs to stay away from the franchise. Anyway, show me juno

[finite berry]

From a pure movie perspective, Covenant and Romulus were okay

In regards to their additions to the franchise - bad

[covert elbow]

Probably June 7th to match the date of the map

[pulsar sky]

I just loaded up the game after 3 years and 8 months. Im really surprised the game basically plays the same as all those years ago. Limited flanking due to the map grids and OP and Garrison limitations. Alot of gunfights are still the 1 angle peaks allowing for the most rat style behavior. which is a shame because the actual gunplay and character movement are fine. But the maps and game mode mechanics blended together the way there are just leading to an uninteresting snoozefest.

[finite berry]

Ooker, you here

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[summer verge]

I just came back after 4 years. I enjoy the game for what it is, but I agree flanking is pretty limited with maps like Carentan. Some maps like Hurtgun Forest or the Bulge, I'm not a huge fan of

[pulsar sky]

Bro I thought this game had some time to change and cook. I still feel like im in a vice grip when I play this game

its def a good game, deserves a positive review. I just did not realize how NOT different the game is since I last played

[summer verge]

Most Western Front maps, it's just hug the bushes and pray they don't see you

Any reason why this game never got a Pacific Theater?

[finite berry]

Yes, bad idea in general

Although they apparently planned it only to scrap it in favour of Vietnam

[glad parrot]

Foy’s one of the best in the game imo

[modern thorn]

Ok thank you so much 🤣

[obtuse dragon]

The game isn't ready for it

[past vortex]

yea, cant have pacific without horses first

[obtuse dragon]

They would have to change a ton of things on the core gameplay to add japan, if they just add them out of nowhere they would be germany but worse

we need italy or the french 🤓

imagine an offensive map about the maginot line

[slate canopy]

I believe they said it'd basically be a big build up for all the new weapons, outfits, terrain, etc etc.

It has been addressed in a dev Q&A I think.

[slate canopy]

https://youtu.be/hsF3cv_m6GA?t=1032

At the time.

[summer verge]

Yeah, then again Rising Sun already did a Pacific Theater multiplayer but that game is super old at this point

[slate canopy]

I'm just answer your question. I don't know anything beyond that 😅

[summer verge]

I think it's fine. It's just one of the most played maps in the game that I get fatigued from playing it so much.

[summer verge]

Yeah you're fine man lol.

[obtuse dragon]

People play it a lot because it's really, really good, almost all points are strong defensive positions but fair, it's a snowy map and it's so good that the M1C is a reliable choice

[short hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/oj-simpson-confused-smile-wtf-whatshappening-gif-5043092

[covert elbow]

He’s right

[past vortex]

it would be if the game had horses

[obtuse dragon]

if the game had horses the best would be carentan, if you used a horse on foy you would get shot instantly 🤓

[spring violet]

@everyone HLL Vietnam releases tonight 8pm US West time

[slate canopy]

lol no

[spring violet]

Im one of the game developers. Indeed it does release tonight

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-barrel-holliday-deadlock-holliday-true-holliday-truth-barrel-gif-9581572613258513345

[obtuse dragon]

btw has anyone here noticed a memory leak on voicemod while playing hll

like, it goes from 300 to like 1500

[glossy echo]

@fluid pawn you told me that you would release the PTE at morning

[nova pivot]

Prob around 12, don't ping the man in the morning

[glossy echo]

What time zone is Spain in

[nova pivot]

The normal one

[glossy echo]

Berlin time I guess

[glossy echo]

OK nice

Big Ben won't answer

Maybe he sleeping

[glossy echo]

I will get a 180hz monitor soon!

[summer verge]

WAIT WHAT?!

Bruh I got fooled

[fluid pawn]

I was sleeping at that time yes

Exp Branch should go live around <t:1775826000:t>
We will be livestreaming with the devs at <t:1775836800:t> so come join the games 🙂

[cedar arrow]

Guys how to know if my mic working in game ? Should i just go to people and say hello until they tell me to shut up ? 🤤

The playtest website say it recognized but can't record any sound

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1337907623307251823/attachment.gif

Conquest mode changes were leaked ages ago it seems

[past veldt]

You can go to audio settings and mic check yourself

[cedar arrow]

wat is this abomination ?

[analog apex]

great, right after I am gone for the weekend again 🥶

[obtuse dragon]

chess ahhh map

[past veldt]

Just a bug from when they included being able to choose specific points via map flip. It got broken pretty quickly by people

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1474491508181963044/attachment.gif

[pine ember]

When Juno Beach?

[hazy owl]

Players will still camp HQs and farm spawns.. just because it does not reduce the morale does not mean they won't do it
This game is about map control so as long as the opposing team prevents your team to move from spawns the game is over anyway as the team will bleed based on the lost territory

If you are getting farmed on OP/Garrison/Halftrack = skill issue. Don't need some guardrails there.

To prevent people camping HQ or destroying vehicles - make the first 2 sectors as inaccessible with the 10s timer to return

I guess it would also solve the so-called toxic arty-recon loop

A simple red zone could solve so many problems but no. We need to make 100 workarounds.
Build static arty anywhere, give arty squad flare, nerf flare because 4 roles have flare now, bleed morale after 6 seconds, don't bleed morale when vehicles destroyed near spawn...

Don't be afraid to make radical game design changes!
I would rather if a major of the aspect game changed than having added more and more complexity in the game with each patch

If you need to keep adding more and more of these rules into the game so it fits your new features then perhaps those features are not the right fit for this game.

[pine ember]

How would you capture the last point in Warfare or Offensive then?

[hazy owl]

I am talking about Conquest here because the last sector has no capture points nor is sided with any sector with capture points.
The Red Zone could be implemented

Btw Offensive mode has this Red Zone I believe. Even as an attacker you cannot go all the way to the other side before you capture the first 1-2 points.
Correct me if I am wrong.

And for Warfare mode they could do this Red Zone for the last 2 or the HQ sectors only before the enemy captures the 4th point.

The artillery could "hide" in this sector but I would drastically reduce the range of the arty to 600m. If you want to use arty anywhere further on the map, you have to come out of this "safe zone".

If you want to go even further, you need to deploy SPA

[analog blade]

Luckily community servers can set this up themselves pretty easily. Will be a good standard setting for conquest gm

[hazy owl]

How?

[analog blade]

The same way you set it up for seeding

[hazy owl]

That's simply not the solution.

[analog blade]

Yeah I get that it’s a lot better if devs implement it, but if they don’t (I think they won’t) community servers can still set it up themselves.

[hazy owl]

This is basically moding I am talking about the non-sensical game design decisions they are implementing when a simple Red Zone could solve so much trouble

[vast sail]

Tbh people cry about any Change it will be very warm Welcome conquest that IS

[analog blade]

Besides getting into the last sector, people can still be killed on hq without enemies in that sector, so it’s not a perfect solution either

[hazy owl]

There are good and bad changes obviously. I cry about unnecessary or bad changes or changes that are not straightforward.
I still see players use the default HQ static blueprint because they don't know it can be built anywhere now.
They barely use SPAs because they have no idea what that is and that they can use it.

[analog blade]

Sector is 400 m deep, render distance 500m. Then there is also tanks and artillery, that can fire blind

[hazy owl]

It was very easy to understand how to operate artillery and all you can do.
It was already there you only need to hop on and use it.
It is not so clear right now. And it only made it worse since the "unable to reload" bug happens quite often since they introduced SPAs.

[analog blade]

I noticed the same, nobody is picking up on this, would help if the game tells this to players when hammering a arty blueprint for example.

They also do not know that the ammo node brings ammo to the gun every 30sec. This feature is quite problematic since there is a limit on nodes and good games usually have people set them up from the start of a match.

Can we actually dismantle friendly nodes? I vaguely remember we do

[hazy owl]

Yes but it takes forever

Dismantling structures and blueprints should be very fast

[analog blade]

For friendly ones only I presume? That make it easier to dismantle them for trolling purposes tho

Imo only commander should be able to dismantle nodes by ability

[hazy owl]

Also building structures could be drastically speed up since the major job is delivering supplies.
Structures can be blown up so effortlessly by a satchel that does not have cooldown btw but building them requires tremendous team effort

[cedar arrow]

Hello folks Will we have civilians npc in the next HLL ?

[analog blade]

Lol you mean in HLL:Vietnam?

I don’t think it will be a war crime simulator

[analog blade]

For Vietnam related stuff: https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788899916316814

[hazy owl]

Flare having cooldown before satchel is mind-boggling

[main harness]

Looking forward to another positive feedback Reddit thread on Conquest mode!

And of course and extremely active test this weekend. Where 100% the server will be full... Because conquest is what the people want!

[smoky urchin]

Satchel is an issue however assault guns can 1 shot them from range, no matter the tier.

Basically Building is pointless, unless it's offensive which removes those vehicles for the attacker. Outside of that no reason to. It's a massivily underused mechanic we have in the game and it's punished and doesn't respect the time of the player doing the building.

[hazy owl]

Are you talking about SPAs? Are you telling me SPAs can one shot bunker level 3?

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-7862813030606789338

[smoky urchin]

Yes, they can nuke every building 1 shot. Nodes included. They can decimate an entire area of buildings with 1 shot.

[silk igloo]

how many vehicles can they cram into a match if conquest now has 3 extra jeeps and 3 extra halftracks

[smoky urchin]

I've already made a post in suggestions to not have them do that, it's too much. The changes were right but not able to 1 shot tier 3 buildings. Basically not respecting the time and effort to upgrade buildings. it's not a good game loop.

[fervent dagger]

My assumption was the half tracks have replaced the jeeps.

[hazy owl]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-walking-away-walk-gif-24993317

[worthy charm]

They made heavy AP sheels do the same before we had SPAs.

Hilarious

[silk igloo]

And I assumed that they couldn't add more vehicles because of technical or performance issues, but with spa and jeeps in conquest we have at least 4 more per team. And they still have a new vehicle in development. Makes me think that there's nothing stopping all those suggested specialized vehicles from being added, really

[hazy owl]

I know. That was one horrible idea I am glad they fixed it. I would not expect SPA being able to blow up everything. Sheesh

The amount of effort and time it takes to build level 3 barricade or bunker it makes 0 sense to have tanks being able to blow it up from any distance.

[worthy charm]

Tbf building stuff in this game always was a waste of time.

[fervent dagger]

Ironic considering that was their historical function

[worthy charm]

I have rarely seen fortifications that actually help

[smoky urchin]

The Assault guns should destroy structures but not at the rate they do. A tier 3 should take at least take 3 hits.

[hazy owl]

We built a bunker during a comp match and it was very good.

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303297725059567709/1305283411518423142/togif.gif

[hazy owl]

It would make sense if building the structure would take the same effort or less than shooting it down from above.

[hazy owl]

Because it takes forever to deliver supplies and have someone to build it in let's say a middle sector. Nobody wants to spend 3 minutes hammering a single bunker and having another player doing several round trips to HQ.

[smoky urchin]

Building is a mechanic that really needs an overhaul, people are reluctant to use it or do it. It takes too much effort and even more so with it being 1 shot ruined it, the Heavy tank killing tier 3 barriers was absolutely the wrong change to make and made the player base just give up doing it.

Buildings can change how you as a player approach a point, changing the layout and making it different to every other game, but things that need resolving is no clipping barb wire/barricades from the terrain issues and being able to completely destroy a tier 3 building, which again for the time it takes to upgrade then lose it is not even comparable it doesn't respect our time and becomes a meaningless mechanic in the game. it's a shame!

[hazy owl]

And then having a single satchel being able to blow it up all in 30 seconds.. that does not make any sense.. satchel just appears to be in your inventory, no cost for the team(like every single artillery shell or AT shell).. no cooldowns.. wtH?

[vast sail]

There are Moments mostly in Offensive. Imo conquest can Bring Out building Potential aka fortify a Stronghold so you can hold it with 1 Squad Rest attacks other Points. I See it working. Tbh the normal Mode with 1 Point bombing Run everything gonso

[analog apex]

the original map gamemode layout! 🥹 😢

[fervent dagger]

Tbf would it really change that much? The blast is big enough it will probably kill most of the people around it and it’s not like the bunker is going to be able to move out of harms way after the first shot.

[silk igloo]

How old are the forts anyway? 4 years? 5? Might as well revamp them at this point, they've always been a bit goofy. Being able to lay out barbed wire like a snake, as short or long, going left and right as you please, would be neat.

[hazy owl]

If the bunker captures enough attention from artillery or tanks other units can start pushing elsewhere etc...

[smoky urchin]

Yes it would, Assault guns have a long reload time, that also gives a chance to react. Allowing them to be 1 shot just removes the point of a defensible building. You're removing something that is supposed to strengthen your hold.

[worthy charm]

Thats probably the most effective use I have ever seen.

Imagine building that in a comp match.

Enemy just dies from the flex

[past veldt]

That is a comp match

[worthy charm]

UFF

[past veldt]

That's the Def Main SL and commander, with the Def Logi SL taking the photo

[merry drum]

hey why are there 0 people on official servers? downloaded the game again after a year

[worthy charm]

Dont play official servers

[past veldt]

They're unmoderated, and most experienced players are only on community servers

[worthy charm]

Why would you do such a terrible thing

[merry drum]

wel i cant right when theres 0 people

[worthy charm]

Listen to what the funny comp man says

[past veldt]

You'll find a few popped in the evenings of the respective timezone but they're not worth playing. This game is all about the community

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309519016368410644/1365354130050384043/togif-23.gif

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-so-raven-thief-1

[merry drum]

ok thanks ig

[analog blade]

If you want to do a coin flip on getting insta killed everytime you spawn by a cheater without even being able blink, then official servers are the go to place to play this game

Chance might actually be higher then 50%

[heady hornet]

hey thats me in the picture.

[iron ledge]

Hey guys, quick question, are there any EU servers on the expiremntal branch that currently haave players on, because in server browser i only see one thats 0/100 ?

Or any EU servers at all

[oak current]

wow, I hope that wth-recruit kaiser is gonna have a great future

[oak current]

update for exp branch thing comes out in 50 minutes

[iron ledge]

Thanks for the info!

[oak current]

nooo problemo

[humble fox]

@stiff radish can someone join me and my friend and teach us a bit on how to play?

[finite berry]

poor guy named all lol

[lilac vault]

Because on most points they can be easily bypassed. Plus teams don't even have to be in the strongpoint to actually capture (in warfare)

[lilac vault]

This message is about 6 years too late

[arctic rampart]

I don't want to join you in-game, but if you need it, I can give you some pointers on Discord via voice or whatever

[hazy owl]

Is the experimental branch up?

[lilac vault]

Playerbase: We want medics to be useful.
Devs: Here you go.
Playerbase: NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS

[hazy owl]

If it makes more sense in most cases to redeploy and get back faster into the position than waiting for medic and taking the risk of losing two bodies then this new mode does not solve a thing from the medics perspective

[lilac vault]

But in this case it'll make less sense, because redeploys count against a team's score. Last year the devs and medic mains (lol) thought that speeding up revives and ditching heals would fix the class. Obviously that was never going to work in a gamemode with no tickets.

I'm not saying this is a perfect fix and everyone will be playing medic suddenly. It probably doesn't change much in the grand scheme. But it does more to make medics viable than any previous change

[worthy charm]

You can exchange medics to be useful with literally everything and you got complaints from every game ever.

[finite berry]

Yes, more useful in general, not in one gamemode

[lilac vault]

Like making revives faster and no need to heal after revive? What next? Devs give medics 300% health and faster run speed? Let's give medics a radar where they can see enemy players at all times. Maybe shrink medics down to the size of ants so they are hard to spot. HLL is an aracde shooter, not a WWII simulator. If you want to fix medics, fixing the gamemode is the only way.

[hazy owl]

It is more costly to get a position back than losing 1 morale and redeploying immediately... That's my point

Overall it may cost you more Morale points if you lose the position

[lilac vault]

Yeah, agreed

[hazy owl]

So it still makes more sense to redeploy asap.. medics are still kinda useless 😄

[lilac vault]

Sorry I forgot, is conquest hard cap only?

[past veldt]

Pop off lad

Love it

[hazy owl]

I would like to see some other changes perhaps losing the sector does not mean all the spawns suddenly vanish.. perhaps it should only cost more to build them? Especially when there is no soft cap

[hazy owl]

correct

[lilac vault]

Into it. I haven't tried Conquest yet, and I'm not so much defending it as much as I'm defending the idea that devs should be trying new gamemodes.

I don't think Vietnam is going to have the same warfare mode as HLL WWII.

[hazy owl]

They should stop releasing surprise features and not sharing their plans especially when they have not delivered anything really good for years

I am not sure if the exp branch is up but I tried to run it twice now - 2 network errors and 1 UE crash

bummer

[lilac vault]

Unpopular opinion maybe but this game hit a wall the day Black Matter reversed course to port it to console.

[finite berry]

All those changes were useless because they don't tackle the actual problem of medic.

[lilac vault]

which is?

[hazy owl]

the gun?

[finite berry]

That there is no point in reviving people to begin with

[lilac vault]

Yes then we agree

[finite berry]

Buffing revive speed is pointless because that never was the issue

Medic is not too weak, people simply don't want to get revived/don't wait for it

[past veldt]

It's maybe the ultimate example of the Devs not understanding the issue

[finite berry]

What, with T17? Impossible

[hazy owl]

It's situational especially when you are Squad Leader

Actually it's probably the most useful for SLs

[past veldt]

Like they saw someone say 'it takes too long to get revived'

But missed the next line of 'because the spawn system allows you to get into the game'

[hazy owl]

how can you understand anything you don't really play?

[past veldt]

The only reason to need to be revived is because you have zero nearby OP or garrisons.

So you've had to make a lot of mistakes before the situation is relevant

It's also fine for medics to be irrelevant. Just let it be an RP feature. We don't need the game to be built around them

[hazy owl]

they play it with empty servers like a building simulator based on the Conquest trailer but in reality you will never build it and if you do one satchel under the bridge they built it on and it's all gone.. you do it once maybe twice and you realise how pointless the building is..

they probably hate comp division as those are players trying to actually play the game and play it efficiently..

[lilac vault]

I do think that Conquest may be a better intro for new players. Part of what makes Warfare incredibly frustrating is no one under level 100 understands soft cap. So at least it's more intuitive. But I'm not getting my hopes up 🙂

[hazy owl]

they probably expect players to walk around the map and enjoying the new weather system

[past veldt]

A lot of players are genuinely happy walking around not playing the game

[finite berry]

Agreed, but then there's the issue that practically no one will host it a few days after it came out

[hazy owl]

That was said long ago that Conquest is more IQ demanding

go to the Explore mode then 😄

[past veldt]

Like they really do just want to run in a line together, hearing tank shells in the distance.

Afaik, the OG game mode didn't have a lot of fighting. It was more efficient to run around empty sectors taking them for free, than it was to actually get in a fight

Hence the idea that in HLL, kills = bad

It's legitimately a hangover from a game mode which hasn't existed since like 2019

[molten sail]

hell let loose

[lilac vault]

you said it

[glossy echo]

What happend with objective mode

[covert elbow]

Disappeared at the moment

For some reason the thought of adding elements of the mode into the game hasn’t crossed the devs mind

Also I see that medics still don’t do anything in conquest

[fleet jacinth]

I find that in game, the one thing that medics do actually do well, is run away from you when you're down.

[glossy echo]

No way we have the same exper

Experience

Then you get 50 hits in a single life on 30 people only to kill 2 of them

[fleet jacinth]

😄

[glossy echo]

Medic inflation is crazy

[covert elbow]

Hit reg moment

[glossy echo]

Best hit reg is in hell let loose

[nova pivot]

That's how it's supposed to work, right?

[glossy echo]

I got killed when being right behind the enemy Gary, a friendly medic came and shoveled me while I was asking to be revived

Peak experience 🔥

[fleet jacinth]

He was just trying to bury you, which is kinda nice tbh

[glossy echo]

Makes sense since I was in a trench

[covert elbow]

New mechanic, if a medic finds a body they can bury it to get morale back

[fluid pawn]

"Put you out of your misery" option

[covert elbow]

Oh I use that very often against both my teammates and my enemy’s

[nova pivot]

Ben are there any new weapons coming with the Canadians?

Or will they just be British reskined?

[covert elbow]

You really think this dev team is going to do anything except reskin the British?

You have to much faith friend

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/tsav1-gif-2414224290373943095

[glad parrot]

Hopefully

Probably be the same as driel and called “allies”

Stop adding shite we don’t want and hurry up and release Juno beach

They literally never listen to the community

[pine ember]

Hopefully they are a bit unique

Maple syrup > Tea

https://tenor.com/view/silly-goose-gif-26632866

[glad parrot]

Well let’s hope they at least have the mk3 turtle helmet

[lilac vault]

I am the Community, and I demand bicycles at Juno Beach. Not trying to be funny. They would be historically accurate and fun as heck.

[pine ember]

Atleast make the Canadians a bit Canadian

Add a can of maple syrup as the melee weapon

[nova pivot]

Maple syrup grenade

[pine ember]

I hope they turn out as a mix between the Brits and the Americans with their own unique touch

[glad parrot]

Only map I’ve been excited about for ages

[pine ember]

The best of both worlds

[nova pivot]

Would work like the spit of the chomper from pvz garden warfare

[pine ember]

Balaton will be a banger too I'm calling it

[glad parrot]

If this map stutters, I’ll actually jump off a bridge

[pine ember]

Smolensk was alright except the stutters

And Tobruk is so much fun

[nova pivot]

I'm more Intrigued about seelow tbf

[pine ember]

That will be interesting too, hopefully its more wooded than Kursk

[nova pivot]

I just want trenches

As long as there are trenches I'm happy

[pine ember]

They will be there for sure

[glad parrot]

It runs like aids on Xbox and ps5

Shame as I’d actually enjoy it

I’m always skeptical with Russian maps

[nova pivot]

All the latest maps need to improve the optimization

[glad parrot]

Because I know there’s an 8/10 chance it’ll stutter

[covert elbow]

They managed to do it with remagen to

Somehow

[glad parrot]

That map actually ran fine when it first released

Don’t know wtf happened

From my memory anyway

[pine ember]

I dont play on console so yea, cant confirm that

[nova pivot]

The only one that is bad is smolesnks, well Stalingrad is pretty bad now too, it used to run good

[pine ember]

Why not?

[covert elbow]

Could have helped if they removed the million trees and random vehicle assets that don’t make sense

[glad parrot]

It’s never because of the faction, sole reason is performance

It’s a shame

[pine ember]

Ok interesting

[glad parrot]

Best shooter I’ve ever played and it has so many downsides

[pine ember]

I noticed there has been a loss on performance on other maps too, El Al runs worse for me now than when it released

[glad parrot]

Even better than mw2 2009

[pine ember]

Same with Stalingrad

And surprisingly Smolensk runs pretty well

[glad parrot]

PC master race even has issues

[pine ember]

Kursk and Kharkov are perfect

[pine ember]

We indeed do

[glad parrot]

Sad times.

[pine ember]

Stalingrad was so laggy when it was "reworked" I quitted multiple matches (I never do that normally)

[glad parrot]

Aye exactly, same as console

Kursk and Kharkov are good maps

[pine ember]

Stalingrad, Smolensk, El Al and now Remagen apparently are the stinkers

[glossy echo]

I thought i was the only one who thought it ran better before

[glad parrot]

Don’t like Kursk though tbf, makes me very angry

[pine ember]

Sad since all of them are somewhat unique and fun

[pine ember]

Why?

[lilac vault]

Kursk is a top 3 map IMO

[pine ember]

Its a map that requires teamwork, communication and combined arms for success, I love it

[glad parrot]

Way too open for me

[pine ember]

It has trenches

[glad parrot]

I’m burnt out tbh, I’m level 406

[pine ember]

Unlike PHL

[pine ember]

Same, but more about HLL in general

[glad parrot]

Yes

[pine ember]

I am just tired of always getting put into Utah or SME

[glad parrot]

Tbh I actually rage slot now, I never used to

Sign of being burnt out

[pine ember]

Whats rage slot?

[glad parrot]

I literally used to rage over this game

Never *

Sorry typo

[lilac vault]

I can't play Carentan again. So sick of it.

[pine ember]

Ah gotcha

[glad parrot]

😂

[glossy echo]

Sme is good

On PlayStation its phl

[glad parrot]

I’m 27 and still rage like a 15 year old on cod 😂

[pine ember]

Carentan is the only Normandy map I partly enjoy nowadays

[pine ember]

Its good but I got tired of it

[glossy echo]

Understand 100%

[pine ember]

Happens to the best of all of us

[glad parrot]

Tbh I’m more hype for Gallipoli

Hyped

[glossy echo]

Same thing happend to Obama beach

[glad parrot]

And gears of war e day

I mean Mortain and Hill 400 do my head in

Will be similar in Vietnam

[pine ember]

Even Kursk and Stalingrad which were the reason I started playing the game (I joined when there was the announcement of the eastern front) dont give me the kick anymore

[glad parrot]

But I’ll still get it

[pine ember]

They ruined Stalingrad imo

[glad parrot]

I am pretty intrigued about Vietnam

[glossy echo]

Yes

I loved it when I used to main sniper

[lilac vault]

I think Vietnam is going to be a very different game, metawise.

[pine ember]

Mortain just feels too empty, Hill 400 is fun but has too much barbed wire

[nova pivot]

Pavlov's house my beloved

[pine ember]

Yea same, and I rarely had performance issues or issues to find cover

[glossy echo]

Ot was goated

[glossy echo]

Same here

[pine ember]

Even generally, the aestetic of the map is gone now and they made it more inaccurate

I enjoyed that it looked destroyed (like irl) but not like hell on earth. But now it does, and thats just exaggerated for drama

[glossy echo]

Went from 95/100 to 6/10

[pine ember]

Totally

I enjoyed the Carentan rework but Stalingrad was just too much

And Smolensk would have been a really cool and unique map if they made it 1941 with new subfactions

[glossy echo]

I wish they had subfaction for each year and front

That would make it easier to make new fronts

And get 1941 maps easier

But it might be too much

[pine ember]

That was the plan originally

I get that they chose 1943, but if you compare the battles in 1941 and 43 youll just see that the one in 43 was so much smaller and less significant, there wasnt even a long battle going on

[glad parrot]

Honestly, it’s scandalous that they haven’t done this yet

[pine ember]

Just. give. us. more. subfactions.

[glad parrot]

So many people have suggested it

[pine ember]

They have to prioritize, but yea subfactions would be welcome

[past vortex]

horses before subfactions

[glossy echo]

It seems like the easiest way to make a game like this

[past vortex]

(we will get nothing btw)

[glad parrot]

And yet they’ll fix the cossacks hat that literally only one person asked for

[glossy echo]

Historical accurately would be way better too

[glossy echo]

Where is he

[glad parrot]

That Russian guy if I remember

What was his name

[glossy echo]

Kedo?

[glad parrot]

Yes that’s the one

[covert elbow]

Kedo

[past vortex]

banned, trolling periodically with various accounts

[glad parrot]

He was so annoying

[covert elbow]

So glad he finally got banned

[pine ember]

Like yea I get why people ask for the Italians and the Pacific, but I would prefer if they work with the factions we have. They all provide unique opportunities and are balanced, just make subfactions

[covert elbow]

PLEASE

[pine ember]

Thats so ridicoulus, it was like they only listened to him

[glossy echo]

Thats just how I thought the game would be

[covert elbow]

Probably because he messaged the devs and Ben constantly

[pine ember]

Sadly not, especially if you think that Finnish, Polish and French were planned

[pine ember]

That was so annoying

[glossy echo]

I don't even know if they used stg 44 in 1942

[covert elbow]

The French were never planned?

[glad parrot]

Clearly bribed them 😂

[past vortex]

well kedo did a lot of work with smol ensk

[covert elbow]

44 is litteraly in the name

[pine ember]

I remember when he spammed me like "oh thats inaccurate, fix that NOW"

[glossy echo]

France?

[glad parrot]

Maybe he was some rich Russian oligarch

[pine ember]

No

[glossy echo]

See?

[pine ember]

True, but they would surely have appeared if it was year by year

[glossy echo]

Its so weird why they use the same faction as 1944

[pine ember]

He has no internet now anyways

[covert elbow]

Because why do work when copy paste?

[glossy echo]

Did it get blown up by drones?

[pine ember]

Even sadder: If you look at the Kickstarter there were plans for a subfaction

[glossy echo]

More money

[glossy echo]

Mortars were there too i think

[pine ember]

No, the almighty russian leader reduced its access for security and plans to build his own internet

[pine ember]

Pacific too

[glossy echo]

Really?

[pine ember]

Yea

[glossy echo]

I don't know sht about this game

Or i didn't have it since last year but yeah

[pine ember]

Canadians with Falaise Pocket too, Brits were orignially planned to be Market Garden only

And the Eastern front was originally planned to feature only 1942/43

[glossy echo]

Still very much

[pine ember]

A lot was planned but never came

So please T17 work with what you have and fix that game

Subfactions, bug fixes, etc...

Then Ill buy Vietnam

[glossy echo]

Hit reg

[glossy echo]

Hope it's better

[pine ember]

Either they eliminated all relevant issues and want to have a fresh start or it will be the same chaos

[nova pivot]

I just want them to add mortars to hell let loose

[glossy echo]

Hope its 1st one

[glossy echo]

Me 2

[glad parrot]

Wow, sounds like HLL was decent in its 2019-2020 years

[pine ember]

It totally was, I started in late 2020/early 2021 and at that time it was still relatively unknown

People talked in vc, the game was accurate in most aspects

Might also be a bit the nostalgic effect, but it truly was better back then

[glossy echo]

I miss old menu music

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

[past vortex]

people still talk

[pine ember]

Add it back!!

[lilac vault]

The game that BM left us with was very different than their original Kickstarter aspirations. I'm not knocking them at all, but I don't think their intention was for teams to build garrisons based on the grid. That's just what the game became after playtesting. As I recall they were supposed to keep tinkering with warfare's meta, but they sold the game before they could that. So the last of BM's "tinkering" became the meta. Now everyone (seemingly) pretends like BM could do no wrong.

[glossy echo]

It was good

[pine ember]

Not as often as back then in my experience

[past vortex]

were there less servers back then?
maybe the number of talking people didnt change?
idk

[pine ember]

Less servers yes, but the target group was also a bit different

[past vortex]

were i play almost everyone talks and when someone plays something important without vc he is kicked

[pine ember]

Ok interesting

[lilac vault]

I think some of this is wrapped in pandemic nostalgia (I know that's weird to say considering the death toll), but a lot of people had time for gaming in 2020.

[pine ember]

I dont have a fixed server I only play in, so it depends on the server, but I never had so

[glossy echo]

He is german

[pine ember]

Totally, though I wouldnt say the nostalgia is the main factor, it was better back then in my opinion

[lilac vault]

Well yeah, and it was also still a new game that had an exciting future. Early access and all that.

[pine ember]

It still has tbf if you consider Vietnam

[lilac vault]

I said it earlier, but for me the game "died" when they ported to console. No more major changes after that. Basically when BM sold the game to T17. I get criticism of the new devs but I don't blame them for everything. BM set them up for failure.

[pine ember]

Sure, BM was the original dev, made the original Brits and so on...

For me the last good update was U13, after that it went down south

[lilac vault]

I'm open-minded about Vietnam but it may underwhelm a lot of people. We'll see. I think it'll be very different than this game. I don't expect a grid meta like warfare has. I think the new conquest mode may be a sort of beta test for Nam.

[pine ember]

But the fun peaked with U10 and 11

[lilac vault]

I hope I'm not breaking rules here, but I'm more excited about Wardogs

[pine ember]

Yea it has to, else I dont see how they would manage to release it in 2026

[covert elbow]

It’s quite weird the cult of BM that’s spawned. Like they weren’t as bad as T17 but they were still not what HLL needed as developers

They just cared about adding new content as well and let a lot of issues rot, both technical and fundamental

[lilac vault]

I think BM probably saw the writing on the wall and T17 gave them an exit strategy.

I remember years ago watching the game credits for the Steam achievement. The credits are much, much longer than I expected, because it wasn't just BM who made the game. They outsourced tons of work. I think that's how spaghetti happened.

[past veldt]

A lot of the outsourced work is art

[lilac vault]

Ah okay

[past veldt]

It's worth remembering that BM basically only existed for HLL. Prior to this, I don't think any of them had ever developed a large scale multiplayer game

[agile basin]

Still utterly baffled by the choice of Juno instead of Sword

Yeah ngl, the devs are doing fine, my one complaint is how nowadays NO ONE F*CKING TALKS

[past veldt]

Nah the devs also are an issue. They have an absolute refusal to engage the community at any level

Asking yesterday if the community can whip together an organised match for today is hilarious

[agile basin]

Here's a secret- no "community" will ever be pleased. Any balance decision you make is bound to piss off somebody

[worthy charm]

||Lunairs||

xD

[past veldt]

Sure, you'll never please everyone

[worthy charm]

Thats not HLL tho

[past veldt]

Impressive to please no one though. Imagine being your own games boogeyman

[agile basin]

People seem generally pleased ngl. I haven't heard any hll hate like I have squad hate

[worthy charm]

Sounds like your not often here.

[past veldt]

Or anywhere often

[worthy charm]

Idk how the reddit is looking, but Solid said it pretty normal I think

[past veldt]

The Reddit is also mostly just me complaining, don't worry

[thin lotus]

devs having to force themselves to play HLL to think "this game just isn't good" lol

[covert elbow]

No it was definitely their inexperience that had the spaghetti code

I’d honestly be fine if HLL shutdown for a year or two and came back with completely original code like Vietnam so we can finally get meaningful updates

But then again I think T17’s direction has been awful so it probably won’t change anything

[agile basin]

I'm ngl, I do not understand what the balance complaints even like. Are. And what do you mean "meaningful updates" they're adding a whole new faction

I'm sorry that the garand's RoF got nerfed

[glad parrot]

Exactly 👊🏻

Sword was the second bloodiest beach tbf

[covert elbow]

Canada is a subfaction. And by meaningful updates I mean stuff that actually helps the game instead of adding lumps of coal onto an already big lump of coal

[molten sail]

hahaha

[covert elbow]

BM left a lot of half done systems and unfinished works that have plagued the game for a while

[glad parrot]

T17 have the resources, they’re a 280 million net worth

[lilac vault]

I say this as a non comp player, but my biggest wish list item would be an intuitive UI for new players. Outline the soft cap. Nudge players to drop supplies, build garries, etc. My biggest complaint about HLL is neither bugs nor balance. It's playing with teammates that don't have any clue what to do, and I can't really blame them.

[worthy charm]

• never implemented work.
  Looks at old SPAs and MG42 barrel change animation

cry inside

[glad parrot]

They need to get their priorities sorted

[covert elbow]

A tutorial on first start up would help this immensely

[molten sail]

just a ui that fits a ww2 game not some corpo tier poo

[covert elbow]

Just a 10m tutorial outlining the game would
Be amazing

[agile basin]

such as? Sounds like you want more and better british maps

[dusty bolt]

good morning chat

[agile basin]

Honestly, I just generally do not take "game dead and sucks but I still play it" that seriously from anybody but payday fans

[covert elbow]

Oh let’s see…

[past veldt]

Saying this as a comp player, a UI and QOL update would be amazing. Items like you've said would be super.

Updating the commander interface would be nice

Fixing various commander abilities to be more intuitively used

Not having inconsistencies between gamemodes (like wtf is a forward position and why not just have garrisons...)

[agile basin]

It's ALWAYS something that never actually impedes the core of the game

[past veldt]

There's a load of low hanging fruit to make new and experienced players lives easier than they could fix or implement but nah, Conquest instead

[worthy charm]

How are you darling?

[past veldt]

People have been saying the game is dead since 2020. Here we are

[past veldt]

T17 aren't the developers btw. They own the IP, but Expression Games are the developers

[worthy charm]

People say that about every game new and old. Even fricking single player games as if that matter.

[agile basin]

you're saying what I would say but saying it as if it opposes what I said. Do you know how long you have to wait in queue to get a match

[covert elbow]

Suppresion actualy being a threat
Adding an injury system so medics and bandages aren’t just holding a button
Enhancing the gun play by adding overheating mechanics, bayonets, sight adjustments, caliber based damage systems, etc
More damage systems on vehicles like popping tires and taking out the tracks Actualy leaving a vehicle immobile
Restricting certain “gadgets” like bazookas so they arent prolific

I could go on but I’m about to start work and I barely touched on the game

[glossy echo]

Gl

[worthy charm]

You forgot a hetzer and puma with 20mm autocannon.

[agile basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-erobb-stubbies-try-not-to-laugh-gif-16095012407725024477

[covert elbow]

HLL is as barebones as a system can get and it shows with how stale gameplay can end up being. Cinematic moments only take a game so far

[agile basin]

"why doesn't a game completely not built for it work like Arma does"

[lilac vault]

I think the flip side of this is how the game is marketed as a "realistic" FPS WWII experience. I understand you have to appeal to potential players, but in a lot of ways it undermines people learning how to play (at least in its current state without a tutorial)

[agile basin]

Like I'm sorry, if THIS game added gun overheating it would genuinely be a "making a statue of yourself" level of useless hubris.

Herrwilles doesn't the game literally have track damage already

[past veldt]

I was agreeing with you and saying it as an agreement...

[worthy charm]

"Marketed"
There isnt really and marketing happening for this game, realistic is never mentioned in the steam page outside of the tags and the Mature Content Description.

[past veldt]

And I think I last queued in 2022. Just join servers without a queue idk

[agile basin]

oh. Sorry mate, glad to get agreement here

[agile basin]

No Willes don't you understand, realism is when a shooter has high ttk and the higher the ttk the more realistic that shooter is

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hmm-curious

Realism is when the arty is 800m away from its target and you can flip tanks with smoke grenades.

[lilac vault]

I haven't looked at the steam page in a while, but if you google HLL the website comes up. It reads: "Hell Let Loose is a hardcore, realistic first-person shooter." I don't have a problem with the word realism per se. But generally the game is marketed (by the devs and also by youtubers) as this "authentic" experience. People love to point to the true-to-location maps as proof that this is what WWII was like.

[worthy charm]

No cluea what the website says...

The game isnt really realistic gameplay wise. Maps are probably the "most" realistic aspect of the game.

[lilac vault]

We are in agreement.

[past veldt]

God it's so agreeable in here right now

Someone bring up medics

[abstract lichen]

i mean compares to other ww2 shooters like enlisted and bf5, HLL is one of the more "realistic" ones

[worthy charm]

Teleporting

Make AT have 2 rockets

Give tanks more speed

Give me and only me a pink Luchs skin.

[lilac vault]

When I play HLL I find myself frequently running across open fields, because it gets me from point A to B faster, and this game is largely about speed. Meanwhile new players are told to go slow, take cover, etc. Don't get me wrong, there are contexts when slow play is useful. But speed wins games.

[past vortex]

*4

[lilac vault]

And yes, teleportation gets you there even faster. How often do players use transport trucks beyond just the opening minutes of the game? They are usually ignored after that.

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tmnt-shredder-33

[slate canopy]

Fun? In HERE?

[worthy charm]

I have fun, cant speak for the others here.

[silk igloo]

someone tell firestarter to stop bullying ben in the game. and me

[worn elbow]

Bro why does no one let medic revive

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-coffin-world-wrestling-entertainment-gif-17903370

Someone mentioned medics

Let's go.

Willes, you start

[worthy charm]

Medic bad

Respawning good

@past veldt Good enough?

[past veldt]

Truly summarised, thanks

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538055883075354637/1492206514310615161/Resist_the_urge.mp4?ex=69da7d1c&is=69d92b9c&hm=4730e9d123ca0a725e1ba3ccb1563dd890e7d1584881e210b51a9be6c664eff2&

[glad parrot]

I know, but that’s the point. Expression games are utter shite clearly. They need a better developer

As a Brit, what decent games have we actually made apart from timesplitters

T17 and expression games are seriously inept and out of their depth

[glad parrot]

😂😂

[acoustic ravine]

@limber folio

[glad parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/whip-the-simpsons-candy-whip-gif-4480515

[fresh ridge]

yo im trying to play the new conquest game mode. am i right in thinking its on the PTE? i am currently on there and cannot see any servers popping up no matter what filters i adjust

[fierce elk]

can i play the beta if i have the epic games version

[worthy charm]

Sadly not

[worthy charm]

You need to change your base game version to exp. branch.

[fresh ridge]

how does one go about this?

[worthy charm]

#exp-branch-updates message

Keep in mind that it is a download and the exp. branch is somewhat empty

[echo karma]

Worms?

[glad parrot]

Tbf I’ve never played it

But it’s not a popular games is it ??

Game *

Timesplitters future perfect is the best game of all time imo

[past vortex]

it was once

[glad parrot]

Wasn’t it like a ps1 game or something

If I could remember

[past vortex]

all platforms i think

it was good before we got 3d graphics

[glad parrot]

I’m 27 so ps2 was more of my time

Christ I miss the ps2

I need to get one again

[past vortex]

well i have good mems about ps2 too
but when you look at the graphics you will put it away fast :D

i still have one

[past vortex]

just get an emu

that works really well on modern pcs

[glad parrot]

wtf is emu?

[past vortex]

emulator

[glad parrot]

Nah I’d buy the actual ps2

I don’t have a gaming PC bro

[past vortex]

waste... since you will put it away fast :}

[glad parrot]

Never have and never will

Too much for my brain

I’m man of simple things

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/lara-croft-tomb-raider-angry-gif-13282398

[glad parrot]

I’ve had my Xbox account for 16 years

So I’ll get Xbox helix

[past vortex]

thats a pc tho :}

[glad parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-1-barney-calhoun-benrey-benry-gif-14227913081941131008

[azure heath]

@fluid pawn Can you post that sneak peak image of Juno somewhere?

[glad parrot]

Well, I suppose. Hybrid.

I’ve always just loved the simplicity of consoles. Nothing will ever sway me away

Controller over keyboard. For real skilled people.

[past vortex]

lol

[glad parrot]

LaL

[past vortex]

controllers are nice for mariocart and rayman

[worthy charm]

Nah

[glad parrot]

My hands are scripted for controllers, I love it

[azure heath]

Controllers are honestly better for driving vehicles, but other than that nope. They literally have to give you aimbot to compete.

[worthy charm]

Controller is better at times, but not for shooters and especially not HLL.

[glad parrot]

It brings a technical thing to it all

[worthy charm]

Controllers are a must for souls likes though

[azure heath]

Controllers feel good for sure

[past vortex]

also not for mapstaring games
there are people playing pdx games on console ... imagine

[glad parrot]

Your hand and finger muscles will never skip workout day

My brain is too autistic for PCs unfortunately

[past vortex]

you still need a aimbot to hit anything tho

[glad parrot]

I can’t even decide what meal deal to get half the time

[azure heath]

He's not saying they're better, just they feel better

[past vortex]

(and thats after the finger gym)

[glad parrot]

Let alone a system of 1000000 games

[past vortex]

they feel really bad for any precicion game

[glad parrot]

Keyboards are for uncultured swines

[azure heath]

They feel better on your hand (controllers)

[past vortex]

i use a desk tho

[worthy charm]

Stellaris with controller sounds worse than wet socks when its 5°.

[azure heath]

I use a steering wheel to play Sniper

[past vortex]

yea

[finite berry]

anomaly moment

[past vortex]

medic with a flightstick

[azure heath]

Neurolink to play commander

[glad parrot]

I use a 4k m32u gigabyte monitor

[past vortex]

i heard willes plays tank with a wiimote

[azure heath]

And rifleman with the Duck hunt gun

[past vortex]

:D

ohyea lightguns

[past veldt]

How much feedback do you think they get for Conquest? #exp-branch-updates message

Over or under 10 pieces of feedback by people who have actually played the gamemode?

[azure heath]

My assumption is they get a crap ton of feedback, but from people just complaining about unrelated things

[obtuse dragon]

Controller is better if you're using an MG or trying to get long range shots

[worthy charm]

Thats bait

[past veldt]

That's insane bait

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[thin lotus]

the dev's performative feedback cycle

[azure heath]

No, I actually suggest Gingerslushii to play like that

[glad parrot]

Keyboards are for the weak.

[azure heath]

gotta be bait

[zinc herald]

Hi

[azure heath]

Hi!

[past veldt]

To be fair, he plays like a controller user all the time anyway

[azure heath]

thanks ben

[glad parrot]

Wow

There you go

Fair play Ben

[azure heath]

now add beach emoji

[sullen summit]

Thanks ben, literally just scoured through the stream to find it

[dreamy gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[abstract lichen]

#telegrams message
More Uk and Commonwealth stuff?
W

[fluid pawn]

#telegrams message

[glad parrot]

Now bring the sumpftarn smock with it

[valid matrix]

Hey guys, on average, how many times do you press spacebar to vault over an object ?

[past veldt]

New Bridge model

[past veldt]

Just hold it

[glossy echo]

Ples giv me playtset

I can do eraly

[valid matrix]

thats a bold move cotton, ill give it a go

[worthy charm]

Why is that the first thing you see? 😭

[glad parrot]

Cmon the Canadian b4stards!!

[past veldt]

It's not bold when that's just the best way to vault consistently

[azure heath]

Not to be mean, but u did use HLLV instead of HLL

[valid matrix]

ive had times where i did it and just stood there like a dunst getting blasted

[azure heath]

I love u still

[past veldt]

I've got 4000 hours, you think I haven't memorised everything?

[worthy charm]

Can I build a OP down there?

[obtuse dragon]

Omfg a bridge, If it's near a point it's going to be a good chokepoint

[azure heath]

seems it, dry dock

[fluid pawn]

We've already got it planned don't worry 🫡

[worthy charm]

Even smolensk?

[lucid tusk]

I really hope that we get a landing version on June 6th for Canadian Offensive

[past veldt]

Okay you got me

Also don't mention the russian maps

[worthy charm]

Tobruk?

[steep gale]

oh wow, the infamous Juno beach attack of 1967

[azure heath]

It should follow this map layout #1337887591978237952 message

[worthy charm]

I play Tobruk a lot tho

Its a great map

[glossy echo]

Don't woryr i dnot nneed polished

[slender swallow]

You absolutely did

I was about to say something to you too

[lucid tusk]

Tobruk is a fantastic map, that and Elsenborn ridge are certified bangers

[obtuse dragon]

Ok so, if I had to guess it's the bridge near la platine

[past veldt]

Played a bunch of comp games on it so yeah actually that one I do know well

[fluid pawn]

Tobruk is great fun ngl. That and Smolensk are my favs

[past veldt]

I've played Stalingrad 29 times since it released 5 years ago

[obtuse dragon]

Or atleast it looks like it