💬general-discussion

[hardy gate]

Teammate AI is a liability.
Just play solo. The game is peak when solo. Then you become paranoid of every angle

[ornate bane]

[crude dust]

truth nuke just dropped

[woven patrol]

most of the time we use it to peak this time we where gonna use it for cover to cross the hallway, this was at the start of the mission btw, he hadnt got shot or anything

[stuck crypt]

I use the revolver because I’m shit at the game and it controls how much I reach over the shield and shoot

Worked for me so far

[hardy gate]

How does the revolver do that better

[stuck crypt]

I used the revolver for programmed psychosis

[fading mist]

Whats even funnier is that the stagger chances on hit are actually better on the FN 57 than the revolver for some godawful reason; its 50% with JHP on arm/limb/unarmored shots and 80% against armored targets

[woven patrol]

dont even get me started on slugs, one of those mfs ate 7 of them

[stuck crypt]

It forces me to shoot once or twice then fall back I mentally can’t do that with a semi cause I’m stupid

[fading mist]

Slugs are like a battle rifle shot, except its considered an AP shot, so in other words, its shit

[narrow brook]

I got to the stairs leading to the last room in A new america solo hard and had a guy literally one shot me through the door, I hadn't triggered any alarms, the cameras were disconnected and I literally have crouch as my standard movement

No idea how he even knew I was there

[woven patrol]

like by 3rd slug impact your ribs and sternum are fucking gone lol your diaphram is strugging to contract your lungs

plate or no plate

[fading mist]

your fault for even attempting to play stealthy

there is exactly zero reasons to play stealthy in this video game; enemies can sense your aura the moment you walked into the damn building

[narrow brook]

My favorite fact is that the aimbot AI in a new america has a reaction time 4 times faster than a human being while also prefiring, meaning that if you try to rush them they will always hit you first

[gaunt holly]

Swat isn't a stealth game anyways. Need to go fast and save lives

[fading mist]

That's why, IMO, there are zero downsides to leaving your flashlight on at all times; look, the enemy already knew you were there, so now you at least get to learn where THEY are

[woven patrol]

EXACTLY

[gaunt holly]

Kills muh immersion TBQH

[fading mist]

Better than a guy who already knows you're coming and just holds an angle and blasts your ass the moment you enter it

[hardy gate]

Yeah you don't rush in this game. The AI doesn't react when you barely free lean.

[narrow brook]

During my last try on hard I spent a solid 5 minutes looking through the wand waiting for one of the little green men to turn his back and he still almost got me lmao

[gaunt holly]

I game for the fun. Not game to game the game

[fading mist]

I dunno, free leaning has never really seemed to work in my favor at any point

[hardy gate]

Free lean is the only way to outgun a camping AI. That's how I have been doing hard solo clears

[woven patrol]

getting the drop on them and still getting shot by the dude while he has his back to you

[narrow brook]

Yeah

[hardy gate]

The trick is to lean gradually. When you catch their silhouette stop and start firing

[narrow brook]

Honestly the day they fix the enemy AI (specially a new america) this game will be 10/10

[fading mist]

Its never fuckin happening, the AI has been like this for years

[hardy gate]

Watch Bres on youtube doing hard solo clears. That's how you lean

He just hard soloed ANA for instance

[narrow brook]

It can't be that hard if STALKER SOC had intelligent AI like 19 years ago

[stuck crypt]

AI not broken

[hardy gate]

Ok... gonna be real

Stalker AI has good flanking. But they are susceptible to funneling towards their death if you have a good choke point

[woven patrol]

why dont we just let chat gpt inhabit npcs

[hardy gate]

Like just camp a door and shotgun killing 20 enemies walking towards it

[narrow brook]

Not only the flanking, but how they actually speak to each other, throw grenades to throw you out of cover, will flank while another one provides cover fire...

[woven patrol]

not broken, unbalanced

[hardy gate]

Yeah but they all walk towards the same choke point to die

Stalker AI is bad when there's a choke point. It shines in open fields

[stuck crypt]

Skill issue tbh

[woven patrol]

i mean if your gonna be rude

[hardy gate]

On the other hand, RON AI is perfect in their movement behaviors.

Because sometimes the AI will push. Sometimes they will flank. Sometimes they will reposition and camp

So there's no funneling with them

[narrow brook]

Honestly as an avid souls player, people have starting worshipping difficulty for its own sake rather than as a feature than can make a game better

[woven patrol]

i agree with this concept, the movement and decsion making on the AI part is fine, its the reaction time, accuracy, and premeditation

like if you go in to free cam you can watch some of the AI tracking players in the mission prior to them alerting anyone

[narrow brook]

RON AI is perfect except when it has 4 times a human's reactions, can full auto you with perfect accuracy while running sideways and clearly cheats to know where you are even if there's no noise or visual contact, starts shooting through a 3mm wide frame. RON AI thus is only good in that it moves around with purpose

[woven patrol]

this^^^^

[hardy gate]

It depends on what difficulty incentivizes you to do.

Like difficulty in a rhythm game forces you to be more mechanical. I don't enjoy that.

Difficulty in RON is mainly just the AI cracked reaction time. I had trouble with that too. I still want that to be tuned down. But I can't deny that it forces me to properly lean and peek every angle and plan a safe clearing route. Now I can do hard solo clears, I'd say it improved my cqb skills.

[narrow brook]

Honestly if they fix the AI I'll be enslaved to play this game every living hour

[fading mist]

Not to mention most RoN bots will just hard push you for some goddamn reason

[hardy gate]

The AI moving erratically is part of the unpredictability, and that forces me to move back into cover to plan for their bumrushing me

[woven patrol]

improvement is subjective, id just say every other mission feels far easier by comparison after dealing with that long enough

[hardy gate]

The fact that the AI doesn't react to free lean at slight angles seems to be evidence that is intended gameplay

[stuck crypt]

If you are yelling compliance to suspects or civilians it’s alerts your position

[woven patrol]

this concept makes no sense, i get where your comming from but I havent had the same results. Im curious how your approaching corners without them blasting you through the corner

[hardy gate]

I have been telling people to watch Bres on YouTube.

[stuck crypt]

Honestly if you’re running multiplayer, banging every corner and flanking every room should make the game easier

[woven patrol]

ever watch the bee movie?

[stuck crypt]

You shouldn’t be trying to out shoot entrenched enemies

[hardy gate]

https://youtu.be/Oj64LJUu1Rg

[hardy gate]

Unless you lean. Then you can shoot first

[stuck crypt]

I make sure every interaction I have on maps doesn’t give them the chance to shoot at all or even me shooting a gun

[woven patrol]

hes doing the exact same shit I do lol, this shit dont fly on new america

[stuck crypt]

Have you used the fire alarm

[hardy gate]

Here

https://youtu.be/rAd71AqmqpI

[woven patrol]

what worked was wedging the double door in the main hall, tripping their motion sensor and letting them all rush from recption hall side and gunning them down

[woven patrol]

1:10 he was lucky there wasnt anyone behind the cabinet

[hardy gate]

Yeah well you probably rotary bang every fight

[stuck crypt]

That’s a strat that seems cool

[stuck crypt]

C2 then rotary if I’m on multiplayer

When me, my bf and my dad and my dads coworker play my only roll is to rotary or 9 bang when they C2 the door

Full sweeping every map

Or if we are outside and being shot at from a far I rotary that general area

[brave lynx]

I play ready or not with my adopted mom sometimes and shes a E-9 in the marine corps and me and her run drills in the training room before doing ops shes also apart of the marine raiders and a DI

[hardy gate]

Probably effective but I confess I wouldn't want to watch a bang only playthrough

[stuck crypt]

It’s definitely not a content making play style but it’s super fun to have a role and that being your “profession” on the team

[woven patrol]

2:15 he shoots into the hallway, recption hall enemy doesnt psuh him for some reason after he hit the door, is like every enemy deaf to the gunfire or something?

[stuck crypt]

Like when the targets are all dazed and fucked off from my kit so they get kills or arrest easier I feel happy contributing to level clear

[woven patrol]

this guy plays super cautious sure, not gonna say he is methodical, but it really seems more like an exploit when enemies are not even reacting to gunfire

[hardy gate]

I have been in that place too. Some enemies just don't push. After you kill someone, listen for footsteps

Either they push or they camp

[woven patrol]

they are not even reacting at all, like no ready position, not behind cover they are standing around like nothing happened

[hardy gate]

Because if you free lean properly they hardly react

That's how the AI is coded. I've been saying that

[woven patrol]

i free lean but they push, flank , shoot through walls

this guys isnt getting any of the same treatment

perhaps due to him being solo is the advantage, cuz idk if being with 3+people makes them more aggressive

[hardy gate]

Teammates are a liability. They stand still getting shot

And they attract line of sight

[gaunt holly]

These are all very rare occurrences in the game. I wish they did this more actually

[woven patrol]

play with me then, its every damn round lol

[gaunt holly]

Especially the shoot through walls. It almost never happens

[stuck crypt]

Wall banging the swat that are clearly in the hallway next to me

[hardy gate]

On Narcos flanking is all the crackheads ever do

[fading mist]

I fucking hate the hostage execute feature, why is that even a fucking thing

[stuck crypt]

Crazy people do crazy things

[gaunt holly]

Makes you go faster. It's cool

[fading mist]

Except every person in this goddamn game is crazy

[woven patrol]

until its coming from recption hall while the doors are closed and your in thefirst hall way

[stuck crypt]

Yea have you seen the state of Los Suenos

[stuck crypt]

Wdym

[fading mist]

That's actually not even the hostage execute feature I was referring to lmao

I mean the one where a suspect takes a civilian as a human shield, then... shoots the civilian (?)

[hardy gate]

Give up on S rank and you will be free

[fading mist]

I'm currently just shooting everyone and this still pisses me off

[hardy gate]

Just play the game.

[woven patrol]

them mfers have shot from recption hall double door, through the office and into the first hall way you walk into upon going upstairs

[fading mist]

Honestly I have no idea who thought "yeah lets add a human shield option for suspects except they turn around and just cap said shield when they feel like it"

[stuck crypt]

I’ll have to see the map again to know exactly what you’re referring to

[gaunt holly]

Yes, this is the one I was referring to as well lol

[stuck crypt]

I’d lowk do that if the cops came in and killed all of my buddies that was with me doing illegal stuff

[fading mist]

Shit, I once pushed a guy taking a hostage, pepper sprayed both of them, and the suspect (while blind) still put a round into the hostage's head and then tried to kill me

[upbeat gyro]

yo guys what are the 3 letter triad evidence in the evidence locker room area?

[gaunt holly]

When you hear TOC say hostages have been taken. You gotta go fast

[woven patrol]

1:08 right where hes peaking been shot from reception hall closed door https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd71AqmqpI

[fading mist]

I actually don't think you do, there's no time limit at all on said animation as far as I'm aware

[gaunt holly]

Find the guy and save the civ

[upbeat gyro]

I'm interested into looking at it

[hardy gate]

Take a pistol and aim head for hostage situations

[gaunt holly]

All I know is if I don't find them, they get executed lol. So better to go fast

[stuck crypt]

How do you know it came from there

[fading mist]

I've yet to test it, but I've had a guy take a hostage for like 45 seconds and only executed said hostage once he has LOS on me

[woven patrol]

the tracer through the cubical wall and dust commign off it

[woven patrol]

kinda hard to miss that\

[gaunt holly]

I doubt there's a formula on hostage execution. I wouldn't be surprised if it were just random. We really have no control over those situations

Just need to try 😂

[stuck crypt]

I was looking for that I was hoping to find that tube thing

[upbeat gyro]

same

I s ranked it

[woven patrol]

i think 9mm is kinda bugged too

[gaunt holly]

It's not bugged. It's just weak

[stuck crypt]

I’m still having a hard time seeing where receptionist is from there lowk

[woven patrol]

its through the window

[pallid ferry]

everytime I hear something about this game I always hear the word "bugged" lol

[stuck crypt]

So into the room he was peaking in or from the room through the double doors on his right?

[woven patrol]

maybe nerfed? i have been having more frequent occurences of shooting someone 15+ times with the mp5 and it looks liek theres no reaction to it

[gaunt holly]

9mm just sucks. Especially vs armored targets

[stuck crypt]

Where are you shooting them and who are you shooting

[upbeat gyro]

where is the 3 letter triad evidence box located in the evidence locker?

[pallid ferry]

btw anyone else having issues with relapse mission? i can't beat it and i hate it

[hardy gate]

Consult ammo and damage here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/htmlview

9mm sucks

[stuck crypt]

Start in garage and use a shield

[woven patrol]

the room he was peaking in, theres a window on the far side, that widow has reception hall on the other side

[blazing ore]

oopy goopy?

[stuck crypt]

So you got shot though the window?

[hardy gate]

I know that room yeah

That room is a fucking death trap. You get shot from 3 different sight lines. Don't push it

[woven patrol]

yes from reception hall, through the door

[stuck crypt]

You will not slander my goat

[stuck crypt]

What’s the problem with this

[woven patrol]

when you say, sure ill just wall bang the swat team obviously in the hall next to me, explain how this wall bang occurs over that distance?

[fading mist]

Just pick the second entrance on Relapse, the first entrance is awful

[stuck crypt]

They know where you are because they know where you aren’t

[woven patrol]

they are "people" not missiles

[viscid void]

I just completed a new america solo

[fading mist]

They know where you are because they have like seven built-in detection methods and avoiding all of them is basically impossible

[pallid ferry]

nice, i bought boiling point today

tho i still have to finish main campaign

[stuck crypt]

Lmao ik ik but for realsies if you’re being detected like that then use the fire alarm or like don’t yell compliance and use silencers

[viscid void]

Good luck bro, this dlc the best

[stuck crypt]

Then don’t try to avoid all of them

[fading mist]

As a general rule, never yell for compliance unless you're going for non-lethal, and even then I'd only yell for compliance after you've already hit them with less lethal

[fading mist]

I don't lol, I walk around with a flashlight on so the AI just give themselves away

[stuck crypt]

I straight up just kill suspects

[woven patrol]

nah at this point ill give them what they want. They wanna blow up the building, Ill help them. Call in JDAM on the building and take them and their whole cause to be consigned to oblivion

[fading mist]

its considerably more fun that way

[stuck crypt]

You can actually do that btw

Just have to clear the mission

Maybe you have bad luck

[woven patrol]

im taking no loss here, i nver even bought it

[stuck crypt]

Wdym

[woven patrol]

you see, i didnt buy the dlc, i just have a friend that did already XD

[hardy gate]

As a general rule, never yell for compliance

To the contrary, I kill every suspect and I always yell for compliance. Yelling is a superpower. It instantly tells you if someone is in the room and where they might be.

[stuck crypt]

Bru

[hardy gate]

Once again, I just tell people to watch Bres. Yelling is how you clear without a mirror gun.

[stuck crypt]

Just use your eyes why are you yelling you some kind of bat creature with echolocation?

[hardy gate]

your eyes don't wallhack

[stuck crypt]

Your ears do tho

[woven patrol]

i wish they did, id steal so much PPI

[stuck crypt]

Do you play roles when in a multiplayer game

Or does everyone just like shoot and hope they don’t die first

[woven patrol]

i dont hold any expectation, Id actually get mad if i held people to same CQC standards

all in all just shooting for fun

[stuck crypt]

So No?

Ah okay yea that’s probably why you’re having a hard time

[gaunt holly]

I expect everyone to be able to perform all roles in multiplayer. So I usually don't have a good time bc my expectations are never met

[crude dust]

I never follow that

[stuck crypt]

This is why I don’t free play even with people in this discord

[crude dust]

I always be yelling✌️

[stuck crypt]

Yapper strat

[woven patrol]

i dont play this to larp

[stuck crypt]

You don’t have to larp to have a specific role

But if you’re running around shooting and then being surprised people know where you are and wall banging you for a COD highlight then idk

And having a role isn’t really a full larp it’s just carrying extra of a specific tool that you’ll be using more than everybody

[woven patrol]

id say paintball is more accurate then cod

sorry man we aint got the battle pass, warzone, and celebrity skins

[stuck crypt]

Thanos skin

[hardy gate]

coordination is easy between friends and family

in a random lobby probably not

[woven patrol]

can i set the game to friends and family mode?

[hardy gate]

yes

[stuck crypt]

It’s easy in a premade lobby

Even if they are strangers

[woven patrol]

nah i dont trust my family with any firearm

[hardy gate]

imaginary firearms

[final rune]

Is there a way to muffle the sound in game like the gun sounds

[woven patrol]

im envisioning getting shot in the back of the head to check if ff is on

[stuck crypt]

Audio settings

[hardy gate]

the crazy gunshot sounds and screen shaking is why I play RON tho

[gaunt holly]

I disagree

[final rune]

Okay

[gaunt holly]

It takes way too much effort to coordinate a group of randoms

[stuck crypt]

First time I got shot I hated the effect so much I do everything in my power to not be shot at again

[stuck crypt]

That’s why I make sure I host and kick stupid people

[gaunt holly]

It's really about booting the game to play the game vs being an instructor

I just want to game you know

[stuck crypt]

True and since I’m comfortable enough playing solo on any map all I need is one other person if I want to play in a group who will be competent

[hardy gate]

yeah I appreciate not having to form personal bonds or contact too much with people I won't see 5 minutes after game ends

different story if it is with some discord regular I might see again

[stuck crypt]

One guy got mad I was gonna boot him because he didn’t wanna coordinate and it’s like buddy you do not have to play with me to play RoN

[hardy gate]

yeah well different priorities

some really are just there to do their own thing

[stuck crypt]

But this is only like for someone trying to lone wolf on the other side of the map

[fading mist]

damn nightvision really just doesn't work, does it

do any firearms in the game have access to an IR flashlight?

[hardy gate]

what are you saying it works

[chrome moat]

no

[stuck crypt]

A IR flashlight?

[chrome moat]

sometimes, in places like carrier of the vine's basement it's way darker than without nvg

[fading mist]

oh, so nightvision just lets you see a different color of nothing, cool

at least its useful on Neon Tomb

[stuck crypt]

At that point just turn the sun on

Why would you use NVGs in neon tomb🙏😭🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🫃🏃🏻‍♀️

[fading mist]

Neon Tomb is basically a full assault on the eyes, and NVGs turn all that shit down a notch so your vision is honestly way better on that map

[stuck crypt]

Oh yeah that’s fair

[fading mist]

I think it helps cut down on all the insane bloom the lights have on that map rofl

[gaunt holly]

Night vision isn't useful on any map imo

[fading mist]

it does make it a bit harder to identify the one fucker you aren't supposed to kill, on a map where he's kinda already hard as fuck to identify, so...

[stuck crypt]

Twisted nerve :

[fading mist]

honestly, sucks balls on that map too lmao

[chrome moat]

not really

[stuck crypt]

What NVGs are you using

Are you color blind or something

[fading mist]

flashlights also help air out all the crackheads who might otherwise knife-rush you

[stuck crypt]

Are you using the flashlight with NVGs

[fading mist]

That's literally required to use them at all on any dark map

[stuck crypt]

Good lord

[chrome moat]

no it's not

[stuck crypt]

And you complain that they don’t work when you’re holding the brightest fucking light on the map???

[fading mist]

Just tried running NVGs on Hide and Seek, and holy shit you still cannot see a goddamn thing

[stuck crypt]

Child left behind

[chrome moat]

monitor brightness

[fading mist]

thats when it does work lmao, because they don't seem to raise brightness at all

[chrome moat]

also you aren't being forced to use NVGs

if you don't think they're good then don't use them, or get a mod

[fading mist]

I don't except on Neon, which isn't really a dark map, it just makes your eyes hurt without it

[stuck crypt]

^ like Jaded said Monitor or Game brightness because using a flashlight when you have NVGs equipped is actual insanity

[hardy gate]

I'm not sure what your setting is. GPNVG with white phosphor makes hide and seek look okay to me

[fading mist]

If I'm turning up game brightness then I don't need nightvision anyway

[stuck crypt]

The best ones tbh

[chrome moat]

ok then don't use them except on neon tomb

[stuck crypt]

Okay

[chrome moat]

i will say i have no issues with the NVGs except on carriers of the vine where the lighting is just broken

[stuck crypt]

Feels like to me your setting are so low that NVGs are broken specifically for you and you only and you using a flashlight with them isn’t helping at all whatsoever

[hardy gate]

well then just do it

this isn't a movie where you have to care about true blackness or something

you are in the business of not dying

[stuck crypt]

With teammates like these, who needs any suspects🙏😭

[fading mist]

hmm, might have to agree actually. green just sucks ass

[hardy gate]

yeah white is just superior

[chrome moat]

woah woah woah

[hardy gate]

damn it

[stuck crypt]

Crazy word arrangement

Anti Shrek statements smh

🫃

Lmao is he ded

Mods work quick

❤️

[wanton crater]

Guys any idea why my mods not working?

Just some mods in vortex like Customization unlocked

Others work fine and the pak files work n stuff i checked

[stuck crypt]

Sorry for dipping but I have no mod knowledge

[wanton crater]

😭

[fading mist]

still prefer flashlights though

doesn't help that a lot of enemies wear dark clothing on Hide and Seek, an already-dark map

[stuck crypt]

Also try #🔧modding-chat

[wanton crater]

Customization unlocked when enabled shows corrupt data

thx

[fading mist]

Also, flashlights seem to make enemies run for cover when they spot them, which honestly helps you more, if anything

[stuck crypt]

Downside to flashlights is they alert them and you might not see them after they see you

I learned the hard way

[fading mist]

They often move to flank you when they spot it, which works entirely in your favor as long as you're tracking thats what they're doing

[hardy gate]

upside is that you know there is someone in the room

[gaunt holly]

Flashlight is more useful and more fun

[hardy gate]

then you camp. if you are too pussy to push then you move in and start yelling

[weak obsidian]

i use canted sights more

[stuck crypt]

I’m too shit at direct engagement to use a flashlight

[fading mist]

also why does every single civilian give you shit and refuses to cooperate

I get that maybe the LSPD isn't the most popular, but even if they think that you just gun down civilians for fun, you'd think they'd have the foresight to NOT give you a bunch of bullshit

[stuck crypt]

I have to stack the cards completely in my favor before fighting anything in RoN

[wanton crater]

frr

[hardy gate]

I don't use canted sights but I always do canted aiming with laser now, because it just frees up screen estate for me to see suspects and my peripherals

[weak obsidian]

if they have a shotgun pointed at them or a hand cannon all you gotta do is shoot near them and they'll get down

[fading mist]

aren't you the same guy that uses a revolver for some godawful reason

[wanton crater]

tru

[weak obsidian]

REVOLVER IS GREAT

[stuck crypt]

People tend to not want to be arrested during a terroristic event or active shooter event

[stuck crypt]

I hit my shots

[wanton crater]

shooter events u can tell them to leave

[fading mist]

I get some people, but its literally every mfer unless they were near an active firefight and decided to be smart

[stuck crypt]

Swear?

[weak obsidian]

you can shoot near their feet or near them so that they'll listen

[wanton crater]

yh at least in elephant they can

[stuck crypt]

Pepperball or beanbag them

[fading mist]

you can tel lthem to leave on every map lol, might not work on Carries of the Vine though

[wanton crater]

Really? It doesn't show for me

[clear oriole]

Ana is so hard

[wanton crater]

Also does anyone know where the reform facility w the guy you can test your lethals on is?

I can't find it

[fading mist]

I understand "how" to make a civilian comply (also, meleeing them with a long gun works instantly every time; pistols might require two hits), but its insane that every single civilian is the same thing

Like, the whole point is that its supposed to be a mixed bag, but my tactic for civilians NEVER changes

[hardy gate]

what is reform facility? you mean training facility ?

[wanton crater]

no no rehabilitation program

[weak obsidian]

think its removed

[stuck crypt]

I agree yea especially when they do that long ass standing back up animation

[wanton crater]

Oh yh prob w the censorship upd

[fading mist]

Like, noncompliant civs were a bit of a rarity in the last SWAT game, but good god its EVERY single civilian in this game, even human trafficking victims give SWAT shit when they show up

[stuck crypt]

I wish it was more a verbal thing rather than physical because it does get ridiculous after a while

[fading mist]

I swear, the civilian populace treats you like the FBI HRT instead of police

[weak obsidian]

i also think it was gone when it was like a full release on PC before the censorship upd

[hardy gate]

actually if you yell properly before each gunfight you will discover that civilians in next rooms have surrendered before you move in

[wanton crater]

Oh rlly?

I thought RoN released on pc?

[fading mist]

they surrendered from the gunfight noise itself, not the shouts. Officers with the Negotiator perk also add a chance for civs to surrender instantly

[weak obsidian]

yea i used to play back when they didn't censor the game

[weak obsidian]

it came out on PC first then came out on console so i played when it released on PC first

[wanton crater]

Same bro when u can blow ppl up

Shot gun to the head never gets old

[stuck crypt]

You can still do that

[wanton crater]

ik

[fading mist]

To clarify, civilians do surrender to repeated shouting eventually (aiming your gun at them also speeds up this process) but it takes much longer and makes a LOT of noise, while a melee bash is silent and works instantly

[wanton crater]

You just cant shoot bodies 🥀

[indigo dawn]

Yo

[stuck crypt]

Ohhh okay you’re just a psychopath

[weak obsidian]

or you can shoot near them or just shoot them in the head

[wanton crater]

😭

[fading mist]

I mean, I can just shoot a suspect in the head whos not even facing me and TOC has zero complaints

[hardy gate]

melee is always the best but shouting has a random chance of working instantly even in next rooms

[blazing scarab]

I wish genuine happiness and fulfillment on all of you. May life bless the ways you choose.

[hardy gate]

and a random chance of civilians being bitches and running away

[wanton crater]

prob cuz gunman on certain shooter maps, irl tho you gotta make urself known and give them chance to surrnder

[weak obsidian]

a civi ran past me and i shot him in the head

[fading mist]

on Ends of the Earth I actually had the father just surrender twice the moment he saw me. Could've been Negotiatior SWATs though, but I didn't even yell at him

[wanton crater]

😭

[wanton crater]

We got negotiators?????

[weak obsidian]

check out the clip in #🎬ron-clips-and-media like bro what is my reaction time

[fading mist]

Its a SWAT perk, not an actual thing lol

[wanton crater]

ik

[stuck crypt]

Reason why I’m so cracked with pepperballs now is because when I first started playing with my dad I kept accidentally killing civs

[wanton crater]

😭

[stuck crypt]

So they took my lethal privileges away

[wanton crater]

LOL you playin on safe mode 🥀

[fading mist]

I remember when there was a pepperball launcher that held like 50 rounds and it has full-auto fire, and that gun was considered "decent" for less lethal at the time

That's gone now, by the way, now its just the shitty 25-round AR

[humble sinew]

fix your connection problems ready or not

please i can't invite people to my lobby

[wanton crater]

Wait does gunfighter add the chance to shoot arteries and bleed out or is that another mod

[fading mist]

No idea what gunfighter is

[wanton crater]

mod

[weak obsidian]

if you shoot someone in the throat it makes them bleed out

[wanton crater]

I remember a mod that adds realistic shooting damage

[fading mist]

also a chance to happen on any upper arm or upper leg shot, increases by using JHP

[wanton crater]

like you can shoot arteries and they bleed out w animation

or is that just vanilla game

[gaunt holly]

Mod that makes the game easier

[hardy gate]

it is in vanilla

[stuck crypt]

Good, I’m gonna run a few round of ANA full non lethal solo when I get home just to see if I can

[wanton crater]

mod taht make the game more "realistic"

[fading mist]

bleedout can happen in the vanila game too, odds increase by using JHP

[hardy gate]

JHP rounds have higher chance of bleeding limb arteries

[wanton crater]

oke

Gunfigher more realistic cuz you don move like a turtle

[hardy gate]

blood flows like ketchup

[weak obsidian]

i only want the animation of the guns not everything else

[fading mist]

Pepperballs kinda work on Normal, on Hard you have to land six hits on a single enemy to stun them

[stuck crypt]

My favorite

[fading mist]

there's still no reason to get the pepper SMG, and the pepper pistol isn't very good but does work with a ballistic shield

[wanton crater]

All u need is pepper spray

[gaunt holly]

Gunfighter takes everything away that makes RoN difficult in its own unique way

[hardy gate]

beanbag shotgun is the only nonlethal thing to use if you don't wanna die waiting for pepperball to work

[fading mist]

Beanbag, taser, flashbangs and flash grenades are the carries

[stuck crypt]

Battlefield or Not

[hardy gate]

or rotary bang of course

[weak obsidian]

if you have a AR, pistol, tactical shield, like 4 mags, 3 clips, 2 grenades, 1 pepper spray, heavy armor (on ceramic or kevlar) and additional gear i think you would move like a turtle

[wanton crater]

It jsts makes you walk faster and no animation for yelling

[fading mist]

I wish pepper spray did anything at all, but sadly it does not

[gaunt holly]

So it makes the game easier and less realistic

[hardy gate]

AI teammates are actually cracked at using pepper though. Give the pepper to them

[wanton crater]

Yh but you keep walking like a turtle when u getting shot 😭

[fading mist]

the game, as it stands right now, doesn't make ANY sense realistically

[weak obsidian]

SHOOT BACK

[wanton crater]

no animation for yelling more realistic icl

[weak obsidian]

the only thing i want is just the gun holding position

[wanton crater]

Keeps gun trained

[stuck crypt]

Or don’t get into fire fights at all

[wanton crater]

Pacifist RoN run

[fading mist]

what game are you playing? its not RoN lmao

[gaunt holly]

If you can yell without dipping your sights, you're a magician or a ghost

[wanton crater]

🥀 Dude

the animation is supposed to be like judge telling civ to get on the ground

Which fucks up your aim

[weak obsidian]

isnt it like kind of realistic with the human thingy thingy like if you shout / yell at them won't you point your gun down onto the floor then point it back up

[stuck crypt]

I feel like if you are in a firefight in RoN you are already fucking up but if that’s your goal sure but you aren’t going to out shoot an entrenched enemy for the whole map without getting frustrated by how many angle they can get on you

[wanton crater]

yh bruh

[gaunt holly]

When you yell, your chest expands and deflates. Causing your sights to move up and down. It's not physically possible to remove this

[fading mist]

At that point just pull out the shield and let your backline bois take care of it, thats basically been my strategy so far

[wanton crater]

When did the animation for yelling compliance turn into breahting

[fading mist]

your entire gun moves towards the ground, you can absolutely train to NOT do that

[weak obsidian]

i mean its realistic when you yell, its realistic to move ur gun down then up and not keep it fully still

[gaunt holly]

You cannot train your chest to not expand when you take a breath

[wanton crater]

current animation is too exagerated for that though, its not just breathing, its legit judge moving his gun

[weak obsidian]

its like pointing it out for them to get down on the floor

[fading mist]

I'm like 99% sure you didn't move your gun to the ground when yelling for compliance in SWAT 4

[wanton crater]

yh its not breathing

[weak obsidian]

im not on anyones side man on this "argument"

[wanton crater]

dude im agreeing w u 😭

[weak obsidian]

then play swat 4

[gaunt holly]

Ok? That's not what we're talking about at all

[fading mist]

Ready or Not basically is SWAT 5, or at least its supposed to be

[stuck crypt]

How so?

It’s not called SWAT 5

[fading mist]

Its absolutely a spiritual success to SWAT 4, it shares a LOT of the same mechanics

[stuck crypt]

And?

[wanton crater]

Animation for yelling is judge gesturing civ to point down im not changing my mind

[stuck crypt]

This is true

[gaunt holly]

Swat 4 or swat 5 has nothing to do with the human lungs expanding when taking in air before yelling and deflating when exhaling

[wanton crater]

Expanding lungs makes your arm go 45 deg down?

[weak obsidian]

i played swat 4 its like genuinely mid for me imo

[wanton crater]

Shaking would be that, but judge isnt. He just moving his arms

[gaunt holly]

It doesn't dip 45 degrees down. Idk what game you're playing lol

[fading mist]

Look, if the enemy AI can keep their guns trained on your ass at all times, even in scenarios where they shouldn't be able to shoot you at all, I can understand the argument in letting you keep your gun straight while yelling for compliance

[wanton crater]

Exageration bro 😭

[gaunt holly]

Skill issue is through the roof in this chat 😭

[fading mist]

Dips far enough down to the point where you aren't even hitting the target at all if you fire your weapon

[wanton crater]

iirc your the one who started judging bro let us mod

[weak obsidian]

gunfighter sucks i only want the gun holding position and looking like a spetnaz

[wanton crater]

yeah bro

[fading mist]

aaand there it is. The good old "skill issue" response when you point out ANY flaw in this game

[wanton crater]

geniunly

[fading mist]

same shit different day

[gaunt holly]

I mean if you need a mod to make the game easier (which gunfighter literally does) it's skill issue

[wanton crater]

Why do people feel the need to talk sometimes

[fading mist]

I don't care about the mod at all, in case you weren't paying attention

[tawdry dune]

Its muh right as a murican

[wanton crater]

💔

[tawdry dune]

Free speech rahhh g

[wanton crater]

avg mod feeling the need to critisize everything they see

[tawdry dune]

Rahhh eagle noises oil noises

[fading mist]

I swear some people in here will defend the most braindead video game design

[hardy gate]

it's a singe player game. you can make the game easier for yourself if you want.

[wanton crater]

fact

[wanton crater]

Thats what im saying bro, SLS just talking for the fun od it

Can't even ask about mods without getting called skill issue 💔

[tawdry dune]

Booooo

[stuck crypt]

I feel like the gun nothing and yell should be separate, if you are ordering a suspect to do something specific that’s when the gun angling down animation should play

[fading mist]

Should be the dev's responsibility to make a believable AI so I can actually take this game seriously

Its actual insanity to ask the players to fix your broken video game for you

[stuck crypt]

But tell them to get down shouldnt alter how you aim your gun

[wanton crater]

Too much keybinds bro 😭

[stuck crypt]

It’s the same key

[tawdry dune]

Never play bohemia game you will lose your mind

[wanton crater]

so wdym seperate

[fading mist]

They're not the only devs that have done this, but that's not an excuse for VOID

[wanton crater]

Keyboared gen a mine field, you press wrongkey judge does sm crazy shit

[hardy gate]

this is my feeling on the cracked AI #💬general-discussion message

[stuck crypt]

I mean if you are yelling compliance, no animation. If you are ordering a complied suspect to do something, play animation

Makes more sense

[wanton crater]

Ohhh

[wanton crater]

there are some mods that fix that and make ai more realistic and make ur swat ai not stupid

Current commander mode swat AI is so bad i cant even lie bro

[hardy gate]

I know. there are like 4 or 5 different AI mods right now

[wide forum]

"You're in my spot"

[wanton crater]

They stand in open doorways and thresholds

[fading mist]

The artificial difficulty is only fun if you enjoy pain, and thats alright, but at some point you're learning to cheese the game so the game doesn't cheese you, and and that point I'd rather do something else

[tawdry dune]

I would rather they fix my ai squad throwing flashbangs at their feet and kissing instead of pushing the room they are supposed to clear

[gaunt holly]

If you just hold up a finger gun in front of you and yell, you will see a dip. It's not unreal lol

[wanton crater]

😭

Here we go agian 💔

[hardy gate]

I can't speak to how well they work though. And the moment we change the difficulty people are now talking about different game experiences

[fading mist]

You're still trying to defend this garbage? I thought you'd gotten smart and given up, but I guess not

[wanton crater]

Broke came back online 😭

[tawdry dune]

Out of my way chief

[gaunt holly]

Hey man, no need to be mean

[wanton crater]

Thats ironic

[hardy gate]

you can yell without moving your gun. It's just your mouth.

[fading mist]

throwback to the "skill issue" comment about five minutes ago:

[wide forum]

You're in my way sir

[wanton crater]

Yeah bro ts situational irony

[gaunt holly]

Calling someone a noob vs calling someone stupid is not the same

[fading mist]

debatable. very heavily debatable.

[hardy gate]

dismiss your AI teammates. they provide no value

[wide forum]

both can be considered insults

if I call someone a nerd, then yea its like a low tier insult but its still an insult

[wanton crater]

Some how when you shoot a civ and order them to jump you, they turn into terminator

[warm kiln]

I just tested it for the fun of it, my hands shot up a tiny bit at the most

[wanton crater]

Yeah yelling does NOT do that much, it only mostly shakes the gun

[tawdry dune]

But they have back story that we can read on the tactical ipad… and we can dress them in tuff outfit… I want them to succeed so bad

[wide forum]

RoN is so cool, I wish SWAT was a real life thing

[wanton crater]

The point is that the animation in the game is too much, so its judge gesturing

[warm kiln]

Even tried holding my palms together like an actual tactical grip (for a pistol)

[hardy gate]

I mean.... they are just procedurally generated

[wanton crater]

Let me hold your hand while i say this...

[fading mist]

ron employee makes up some bullshit to defend shit game design

must be a day that ends in Y

[wanton crater]

😭 avg mod bro finding shit to be mad abt

[tawdry dune]

What if you were procedurally generated does that mean you dont deserve a chance to succeed and be cheered for

[fading mist]

this game still genuinely has the worst AI out of any game I've ever seen

[tawdry dune]

I will support my ai squad even if they want to throw flashbangs at feet and kiss

[wanton crater]

Maybe mods are the secret master ragebaiters

[hardy gate]

that's deep bro I'm just shooting the breeze

[wanton crater]

Yeah bro, they shove their arm into the open door space, then get shot 20 times, and dont do anything

[wide forum]

in 2041, humans will be procedurally generated

[north juniper]

Is there anything whether bug or in the settings that would cause me to become muted and deaf

[stuck crypt]

Your hands attached to your lungs?

[wanton crater]

my only complaint about RoN ai is that they move too close to thresholds sometimes

[wide forum]

arent humans techinally procedurally generated since of like how biology works

[fading mist]

not to mention how anything shot at you suppressed the fuck out of your character, and yet the enemy AI doesn't even know what "suppressing fire" is and will continue firing at you even after you shoot twelve 5.56 rounds next to them

[wanton crater]

😭 yeah bro and swat AI for some reason doesn't know what the word cover it

[gaunt holly]

Breathing heavily affects shooting. Your sights naturally go up and down as you breathe

[wanton crater]

No sense of self preservation is the biggest issue of the ai icl

[fading mist]

Unironically the enemy AI take cover more often than your SWAT AI does lol

[wanton crater]

FR BRO,

Like irl swat officers almost never get shot, but in game you never get out with all your officeres healthy

[fading mist]

Breathing affects shooting*. There, I fixed your statement.

Breathing does NOT affect your shots within 25 yards, I'll tell you that much.

[stuck crypt]

Of course, but the dip animation is clearly a visual judge is giving suspects when he yells at them, like very clearly

[wanton crater]

once again, animation for the yell is too exagerated to be breathing 🥀

[gaunt holly]

🧢

[wanton crater]

Look at body cams oml

You ever see cops w long guns move their gun while they yell?

[fading mist]

is this supposed to be a joke or some sort of witty comeback, or did you stop doing those already?

[wide forum]

tbf, one of the reasons they dont get shot very often is because SWAT teams have a high surrender rate, mainly because most people understand going up against a SWAT team brings a high risk of death, but thats a discussion of its own

in RoN suspects dont really care that a SWAT team showed up on their doorsteps

[hardy gate]

We need to break it down.

• In terms of AI movement and decision making, this game has the best enemy AI. Some push, some flank, some reposition and camp. This is unlike Stalker ai who will just funnel towards choke points and die, or GZW braindead AI just standing still.
• In terms of teammate AI, they are braindead and will flash their own feet after recent update.
• In terms of reaction time and aiming, no debate, they outgun you in the open. They however have zero reaction if you just barely lean, and that incentivizes you to be tactical.

[gaunt holly]

Means you're wrong

[wide forum]

(and also because SWAT teams IRL have like 20 people at bare min and they don't usually clear entire complexes with only 4 dudes but thats whatever)

[fading mist]

the enemy AI has about five different methods of instantly detecting you, not to mention the perfect vision that they've got, and they can see you through two pixels and then proceed to fire at your exact location while you try to hide behind cover

[hardy gate]

yeah but they are coded to not react if you just barely lean. that is how you win

[wanton crater]

Mods when coming to admit a mistake that they are clearly wrong:

[tawdry dune]

Having another small team or something for those bigger maps could be cool… swat 4 had the sniper team… but I like how you can use red and blue as 2 teams kind of

[hardy gate]

watch bres do hard solo clear and you will learn how to lean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd71AqmqpI

[wide forum]

true, managing an additional swat team in those maps would be a nice little fun mechanic yea

[normal sail]

does this game have les active players then it used to pre censorship? what ever update that was or any update before that

[tawdry dune]

[wanton crater]

Also it just aint logical to move your gun so much when yelling for compliance

[wide forum]

i'd say it had roughly the same players that it had before censorship

[normal sail]

because around 1.0 and dark waters i could find plenty of people with no high latency but i can't find a match I'm not klagging in nowadays and it seems no one uses open mic anymore

[gaunt holly]

It's not physically possible to keep it still when yelling 😭

[wide forum]

but IDK i havent seen the statistics or anything

[tawdry dune]

In my opinion we should be able to throw the gun at the enemy if it gets really crazy

[hardy gate]

you can see steam chart for yourself. nothing much. and there are console players added so overall there are more people

[wanton crater]

Oml bro do sum reasearch before talking actually

[wanton crater]

Search up literally any body cam footage

[gaunt holly]

All you need to do is hold your fingers up and yell to see that I'm right

[tawdry dune]

I clear my house while yelling for compliance every morning and it is hard to keep it steady while yelling

[fading mist]

He's just trolling at this point, I wouldn't even take him seriously

[wanton crater]

I already did bro 😭 Either you got like respitory issues or sm

[hardy gate]

I wouldn't worry about ready or not. It is in quite a healthy place with player count

[wanton crater]

Mods when coming to search up proof:

[hardy gate]

and this is mainly a single-player game. it's just insanely replayable

[fading mist]

He's had the exact same arguments for the last ten minutes

[wanton crater]

yh bro this guy REFUSES to serach up body cam footage

[wide forum]

I try to make my breakfast during the morning but the pancake keeps on falling out of the pan because I have to keep on yelling "POLICE! GET DOWN!" every 5 seconds

[tawdry dune]

It can be scary to watch

[stuck crypt]

I shoot an ak often at the gun range and still don’t have this issue

[wide forum]

its so annoying

[wanton crater]

Now we got a fuckign dude saying your wrong bro 😭

[tawdry dune]

We have ALL been there

[wanton crater]

When is this guy gonna say he's wrong 😭

[fading mist]

When do you think? lmao

[wanton crater]

Never 💔

[gaunt holly]

Well, you're wrong lol 😂

[delicate zodiac]

new player here how dead or alive is multiplayer

[fading mist]

yep, he'd rather post crybaby stickers because he ran out of logic when he started this thing

[wanton crater]

real example of dunning kruger effect????

[warm kiln]

this is also true

[wide forum]

i mean he never posted stickers so far, just emojis

[wanton crater]

• guy who shoots at range says he's wrong
• bodycam footage also says otherwise
• dude keeps on sticking to his beliefs without any proof

[warm kiln]

Most SWAT operations end in an hours-long standoff on a war for attrition

[wide forum]

o wait nvm im blind

[fading mist]

are they still? I don't use discord a lot really

[fading mist]

lmao

[wide forum]

nah stickers can be animated

[wanton crater]

yeah most barricaded ones

[thorny iris]

I just got the game and holy it’s so fun

[gaunt holly]

It's like you guys don't breathe 😭

[fading mist]

don't play on hard

[stuck crypt]

Wait SLS is trolling

[wide forum]

its a glorified staring match half the time with occasional yells of "dude get of your house!!"

[fading mist]

"water is wet, more at 11" type shit

[wanton crater]

Its like there is a human being who shoots guns and proof online you dont wana check for some reason

[gaunt holly]

How does that change the fact that breathing expands your lungs?

[wanton crater]

😭 son

[gaunt holly]

Why do you keep denying this

[wanton crater]

I NEVER denied this, no shit it expands your lungs bro 😭

It just doesn't affect your aim that much

not to the point your aiming at the ground 😭

[clever salmon]

started playing this game today, any tips?

[gaunt holly]

Except it does when you're yelling

[wanton crater]

For my own sake im just gonna pretend this is ragebait

[stuck crypt]

Yall are arguing 2 different things lowk

[wanton crater]

I agree that breathing expands your lungs

[stuck crypt]

No point

[wide forum]

dont rush in like its CoD is probably the biggest one

[wanton crater]

I disagree that its so bad that your aim is hindered that bad 😭

[hardy gate]

I don't know why you are obsessed about this topic but hypothetically if people give bodycam evidence would you be able to admit to being wrong

[thorny iris]

Idk

[wide forum]

the second one would be prepared to die alot since the AI in this game is on crack cocaine half the time

[wanton crater]

I told him to find it he jst doesnt want to

[clever salmon]

yeah I walk slowly and started checking every door before getting in

[wanton crater]

And someone who shoots at a range also said he's wrong

this guy never gives up bro 😭

[stuck crypt]

It’s not even an aim thing it’s an intended animation of judge visually demonstrating what he wants suspects and civs to do

[humble totem]

the game is exactly like CoD

[gaunt holly]

No, bc the body cam footage proves that I'm right

[wanton crater]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[wide forum]

then thats the main big one with this game, other than that i would recommend to use your team and bring the right ammo types according the armor the bad guys have

[fading mist]

so you are just fucking with us, huh

could've just led with that

[wanton crater]

Then FIND it for me bro 😭

[hardy gate]

I am asking in the case if bodycam proves wrong.

[gaunt holly]

It's against the rules

[wide forum]

also 3000 is lowk misinformationbaiting dw

[stuck crypt]

So then what is SLS arguing about

[wanton crater]

I gen dont fucking know

[clever salmon]

what is 3000

[fading mist]

breathing drops your aim down by about 20 degrees apparently

[wanton crater]

He's convinced the animation is due to judge breathing

[wide forum]

the dude named goy slave

[gaunt holly]

Yelling*

[stuck crypt]

That’s just straight up wrong

[gaunt holly]

Normal breathing no. Yelling, yes

[stuck crypt]

It’s ragebait

[wanton crater]

yeah

[stuck crypt]

No point in arguing against rage bait besides getting an ulcer

[wanton crater]

I sometimes wonder HOW does society gen produce such a person

[gaunt holly]

It's physically impossible to not dip your arms when yelling. Idk why it's so hard to understand

[stuck crypt]

Okay

[wanton crater]

The entire point is the extent that the animation does it for

[stuck crypt]

Cracker you’re doing it again

[wanton crater]

Alright alright i wont fall for the bait

[wanton crater]

Call me old but I genuinly don't get the fucking point of this

How does one defy logic so bad, that they REFUSE to look up proof

and not listen to 5 people, one of which legit shoots at a range

[normal sail]

damn feels empty when i play :(

[fading mist]

he gets enjoyment from fucking with other people online, so you can take a guess as to what kind of guy he is

[thorny iris]

I just tried telling a guy to get on the floor but I accidentally threw a grenade at his head

[tawdry dune]

Mmmmyummy tracking link 🤤

[wanton crater]

THANK you

Someone get SLS to watch ts

[stuck crypt]

Don’t even need to look anything up honestly it’s literally an intended animation of judge doing a visual demand alongside his verbal demand

[gaunt holly]

You can literally see the gun shaking

[wanton crater]

Thats legit what i said bro

🤦

[stuck crypt]

I know but since you know that there’s no point in research or arguing

[hardy gate]

did the mod just delete the link ?

[wanton crater]

tru tru

[fading mist]

of course he did, because he's an asshole

[gaunt holly]

Yes, bc it's breaking the server rules

[hardy gate]

so you are just being an asshole then

[wanton crater]

How does one mod piss off 15 people

[gaunt holly]

Read the rules

[wanton crater]

this guy is act master ragebaiter

[fading mist]

Name which rule it violates, because I'm not seeing it

[stuck crypt]

Falls for ragebait, realizes it’s rage bait. Falls for same rage bait

Many such cases

[wanton crater]

I can't bro 😭

[gaunt holly]

Rule #2 my guy

[hardy gate]

I was simply giving the mod a last bit of good faith

[fading mist]

This is #💬general-discussion , not #👮ron-discussion

[stuck crypt]

Lowk I wanna ragebait now

[hardy gate]

now we know the mod is just trolling

[wide forum]

well yea, we are discussing a general discussion

the general discussion is ragebait

[stuck crypt]

I’m now on SLS side that animation is from Judge breathing I was wrong before

[wanton crater]

😭

[hardy gate]

yeah well good thing discord has a block / ignore feature then

[wanton crater]

W ragebait?

[stuck crypt]

When I go to the range I point the gun at the floor too just like judge when I yell I remember it now I must’ve forgotten earlier

[wanton crater]

No wait i also agree, the 2 cm shift represents judge breathing and shaking

No no no guys im actually a LAPD swat member, we get trained like this

Commander told us when yelling for compliance we gotta spin a 360 to intimidate them

[wide forum]

Judge breathes the equivalent amount of oxygen a Sauropod would breathe, because hes breathing in 120 pounds of oxygen each breath, the force of the wind created by him breathing is large enough to push him back and then therefore down, which results in his gun dipping every time he breathes

[wanton crater]

Yeah yeah

Judge yelling forces the pressure in his lungs to be so high, that the gun actually bounches

[wide forum]

exactly

[stuck crypt]

Telling suspects to throw it back to repent for Klay Thompson cheating on Megan Tha Stallion

[wide forum]

who

[wanton crater]

SWAT trainer told me that we should always try and make our aim unsteady

so we can accidentally shoot hostages for more kills streak 🥀

[stuck crypt]

Swat told me to eat 9 bangs

[wanton crater]

yeah its good for your cholestroy bro

[fallen sail]

9 big booms for this guy

[wanton crater]

😭

[stuck crypt]

💨💨💨 💨💨💨 💨💨💨

[hardy gate]

9 bang used to be a modded thing (From gunfighter I think)
the fact that the base game added it is pretty neat

[wanton crater]

It got proven by an independant steady by me that yelling does move your gun down 20 deg and shakes it

[wide forum]

lowk you could probably make an argument about RoNs vocal minority community because istg I do see convos here form time to time where someone is saying shit like "I like to pre-fire my shots and kill all the bad guys and kill amos volls children since hes a bad guy" and then its everybody supporting that guy

[wanton crater]

yeah it is i remmebr it

[wide forum]

but thats just a theory, a GAME theory

[wanton crater]

Guys guys

[stuck crypt]

Schizo posting tbh

[wide forum]

true true

[hardy gate]

killing civilians is a no go

[wanton crater]

From a study i made rn, an average of 19 degs of gun displacement was found after yelling for compliance

[hardy gate]

anyone with a gun though is an instant go

[wanton crater]

its true SLS was right

[gaunt holly]

True

[wide forum]

yea see what I mean

[stuck crypt]

Why don’t we hipfire. Are we stupid

[wanton crater]

The gun displacement is scientifically proven, cuz yelling act moves the chest by an average of 15 cm

and increases the angle at which the butt of the rifle is placed on the shoulder

[wide forum]

why cant I dual wield LMGs in RoN

[stuck crypt]

Bros fighting a war that ended 30 years ago

[gaunt holly]

Don't forget the movement is multiplied the further away the target is

[wide forum]

S.L.S is so smart guys we should've believed them because S.L.S stands for standard laser sight!!!

[wanton crater]

yeah due to fucking anti matter the force is amplified and multiplied by a facter of 1.5 for each metre closer to the hostage

its true

[thorny iris]

The elephant is my next mission…

[wanton crater]

gl bro 😭

[wide forum]

the elephant is misleading, theres no elephant in the mission

[stuck crypt]

Good luck I hate that mission

[wanton crater]

Speed run killing all the shooters then do bombs

should be around 4 iirc

[thorny iris]

Ok

[hardy gate]

here is a tip: low-ready (space key for me) makes you move a bit faster

[peak kettle]

Sounds fun

[wanton crater]

😭

[hardy gate]

the map is still fucked by RNG

[wanton crater]

water is wet 🥀

[wide forum]

if the shooter dude spawns on the complete opposite side of the map your dead

[hardy gate]

but the fact that you walk slowly to farm aura while the building is blowing up is a darwin award

[wanton crater]

The sky is blue 😭

[stuck crypt]

Slow is steady, steady is fast

[wanton crater]

shooters start looking to kill hostages after 5 mins i believe

or 2 frogot

[wide forum]

or after they get aggroed iirc

[hardy gate]

this is one mission where I would advise just getting a tactical shield to blitz it

[wanton crater]

They should add rolling shield

[hardy gate]

no time to peek angles

[wanton crater]

just to make the game easy

[stuck crypt]

They should add flamethrowers

[wide forum]

they should add RPGs

[stuck crypt]

Until one is shot at us

Why is cool down 10 seconds was it super active today?

[hardy gate]

missed opportunity for Neon Tomb

if they were planning to make a stand against the police you'd expect them to have anti vehicle weapons too

[stuck crypt]

They technically did with the vests I guess none of them wanted to hug a bear cat that night

[wanton crater]

They need to add drivable bear cat 🥀

and add a hmg on top very realistic

[stuck crypt]

Or a mounted MG on the helicopter and if we kill enough suspects we can control it from our chest IPad

[blazing ore]

Breakfast spread

[wanton crater]

YEAH

[hardy gate]

yeah well this game doesn't have a map for driving

[wanton crater]

COD style AC-130

[stuck crypt]

Bravo 6, getting divorced

Getting divorced sounds so funny when it isn’t you

[wanton crater]

💔

[stuck crypt]

Like wow you guys got married and now that’s ending

Crazy work

[wanton crater]

💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔

[stuck crypt]

“Till death do us part” touches the mailman

“In sickness and in health” touches the secretary because wife is too sick to walk

[hardy gate]

Who are you talking about

[heavy thunder]

Play Ready or Not (DirectX 12)

Play Ready or Not (DirectX 11)

Play Safe Mode (No Mods)

Launch Clean Mods / Save Data

which of these should i use?

[stuck crypt]

Judge

[crude leaf]

DX12 usually
DX11 might run better if you have an older PC
safe mode and clean mods/save data is self explanitory

[stuck crypt]

Direct x12

[heavy thunder]

thanks!

[stuck crypt]

If it’s crashing when you load then update BIOS

[sweet axle]

What’s the hardest mission in game?

[heavy thunder]

what is ironman mode? and should i disable it?

[wide forum]

idk thats kind of subjective

many people say the last mission in the latest RoN DLC is the hardest

[keen hamlet]

is the sky blue?

[upbeat gyro]

A New America

a scale of 1-10 of how would you guys rate the gameplay difficulty in ready or not? (edit: especially mechanics + all that)

[sweet axle]

Like 6 really feels like payday to me ngl

[upbeat gyro]

ye it gets easy to pick up and learn fast

[sweet axle]

Only that high cause if the CRACKED aim

[upbeat gyro]

idk how would I rate the difficulty I'm still unsure lol

[amber lynx]

1= easiest mission in game and 10= hardest mission in the game?

[upbeat gyro]

nah just the gameplay in general

[sweet axle]

Are good stats even like possible?

[amber lynx]

Well first 2 floors are easy, only found 3 gunmen there but 3rd and 4th is hard because ngl until I found I video on yt, I kept activating the ir trip sensors which tell you where you are.

Respecting I've not gotten pass the 3rd floor I am going to say it is quite difficult but if you are running a 5 player squad and 2 people in that squad knows cqb it is quite easy but sadly them 2 members in my squad are on holiday and won't be back till may 7th

[upbeat gyro]

nah I don't mean ana

just the overall gameplay in ready or not

mechanics and all that

[amber lynx]

Oh.

Well in that case, like a 6 because it was tough but like the reasons I found it tough was kind of my own fault

[upbeat gyro]

oof I'm leaning more to around 5-6 now

once understanding everything in ready or not, it's very manageable

[hardy gate]

I am not sure what you are comparing against.
One thing is for certain this game has most cracked AI in any FPS games with insane reaction time. They force you to play tactical and peek every angle and plan safe routes.

In fact I want Stalker to have this kind of AI instead of enemies just bumrushing towards a choke point and die. In RON, some enemies push, some flank, and some reposition to camp. Some even wait for you to cross a certain position before they peek out to bumrush you.

The difficulty in RON is about playing smart.

[gaunt holly]

Perhaps 6. Maybe 7

[opaque dragon]

Casual is solid standard feels hard sometimes and hard is just hard can’t say much about hard cuz I don’t play on hard yet

[upbeat gyro]

I added an edit reminder to my message bc I fked up typing that message

[hardy gate]

Hard is where AI reaction time is sub 200 ms

[upbeat gyro]

ye I never play hard

[hardy gate]

so you don't outgun them. You must outposition them with leaning and prefiring.

[upbeat gyro]

them getting awareness even tho I crouch to stop my footsteps making sound is bs

so I always crouch

[opaque dragon]

Wish me luck soloing rust belt for the achievement way out west😂

[hardy gate]

There is no true stealth in this game so you shouldn't bother. Opening a door is insanely loud for enemies

[viscid oak]

hi im zerp im gay

[hardy gate]

there is enemy stress, which rises exponentially if you play lethal and kill their friends

[upbeat gyro]

every mission I just free lean crouch after I completed ANA lethal without officers dying and s ranking it as well

I notice that if I just free lean that suspects notice me more than free lean crouching

[hardy gate]

you are right.

master the Lean ™ and you have fighting chance

[stuck crypt]

For me it’s Narcos

[hardy gate]

I just did Hard Solo on Narcos yesterday. It took longer than I thought it would. Enemies on that map are crackhead snipers

[upbeat gyro]

lethal or non lethal?

[stuck crypt]

Lethal

[hardy gate]

someone told me the Narcos enemies shoot more accurately the further they are away

[upbeat gyro]

oof I completed it on my first try as lethal

[stuck crypt]

It’s so many angles on that map that if I’m going for kills it’s hard

[upbeat gyro]

and s ranked it on my 2nd try

[stuck crypt]

Plus I main non lethal anyway

[hardy gate]

you should try it again on hard difficulty then and see if it's any different

[upbeat gyro]

I just crouch whenever I head to house 1 by 1 and I walk again if Ik there's no enemies nearby

[upbeat gyro]

what's it like? any traps?

[stuck crypt]

The humble bang launcher

[hardy gate]

enemies become terminators on hard

[upbeat gyro]

sheesh ow

I seen many clips and vids of hard difficulty

[leaden coral]

ptsd from wt

[upbeat gyro]

ppl said the awareness and the aimbot can be very bs at times compared to standard

[hardy gate]

yeah they just force you to play tactical instead of freewheeling

[upbeat gyro]

ye trying to protect my mental

from that

[upbeat gyro]

and completely unbalanced and unfair

[hardy gate]

fair is in the eyes of the beholder. people do hard solo clears after they figure out positioning and leaning

just don't stand in the open

[upbeat gyro]

I notice something in these vids of hard solo programmed psychosis in A New America - they take shotgun as their primary weapon

[hardy gate]

Bres right?

[upbeat gyro]

how come?

[hardy gate]

it's just a choice. People can clear it with rifles too

[upbeat gyro]

I was thinking of rtwc bc it's the best anti armor battle rifle

[stuck crypt]

It kills

[upbeat gyro]

oh

[hardy gate]

the weapons are just preferences.

[stuck crypt]

You spend minimal time in the open to let off a slug without needing to necessarily aim for anything vital to incapacitate

[upbeat gyro]

I already know that the buckshot in shotgun have great range

[odd marsh]

Where i can buy Los Suenos Stories?

[upbeat gyro]

the buckshot range is bigger than ppl expect

[stuck crypt]

Steam

[hardy gate]

on Standard difficulty, 7.62 rounds can 1shot a L4 enemy. This is the reason people like them.
but on Hard difficulty, it takes 2 shots. Then 7.62 is no longer more deadly than 5.56, while the latter has better recoil and economy

[odd marsh]

I haw onle 3 Dark Waters, Home Invasionm Boiling Point

[upbeat gyro]

the hunger strike and stolen valor dlc?

[hardy gate]

see this for damage
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1878248973#gid=18

[upbeat gyro]

isn't it already free? lol

[near pond]

for the im too old for this achivement , do i have to grab every obj?

[odd marsh]

no, Los Suenos Stories DLC

[fallen sail]

you just need c rank

[upbeat gyro]

2 of the best shotguns in the game - m1014 and b1301. which is better?

[near pond]

got a b on the one, didnt trigger

[frosty hinge]

wow

[fallen sail]

it should be fine as long as its a mission pass

[hardy gate]

simply personal preference
that is the nice thing about this game. it's not like Stalker where weapons get arbitrary stats and tiers

[sweet axle]

556 762 or 300 blkout? for general use

[hardy gate]

on standard, 7.62 for 1-hit kills
on Hard, 5.56 / 300 blk for economy and low recoil

[opaque dragon]

The last dude was like 10-15 meters from me and I shot center miss and a single bullet did not hit and he was the last guy and he killed me just fucking wow bro

[fallen sail]

300 is the overall best

[hardy gate]

it's up to preference. 300 rifles have higher recoil in general than 5.56

[fallen sail]

m1014 for the reload time and aura

[fallen sail]

they also hit harder and arent useless like 7 62 since they have the same damage thresholds on hard

[hardy gate]

all 3 calibers have same threshold on hard

[near pond]

hm just re did it and got all main objs then it triggered so ill just try to keep doing those first

[hardy gate]

2 hits to kill L4 enemies for 556, 300 and 762

[fallen sail]

ive seen a lot of people complain it just doesnt trigger sometimes

so thats about what to expect

[rotund lion]

6.5?

[hardy gate]

so damage is not a consideration when choosing caliber

[rotund lion]

one can assume but you didnt mention so yk

[hardy gate]

same
check https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=966904672#gid=966904672

[rotund lion]

docs is aids on mobile

ill take your word for it

[hardy gate]

well just trust me bro ™

[rotund lion]

✅

10 second slow when theres a max of 5 people talking in modern times is crazy btw

[hardy gate]

trivia: narcos enemies have higher hp than normal maps
still 2 hits for rifle rounds

[fallen sail]

there's some suspects that require 3 but yeah they're few

[odd marsh]

guys where i can buy Los Suenos Stories

[fallen sail]

its included

[odd marsh]

with game?

[hardy gate]

yep. check on steam

[fallen sail]

yes

[stuck crypt]

I see why people use shotguns now this shit is so fun

[hardy gate]

yeah just don't get into a hostage situation

[stuck crypt]

I’m using slugs

[rotund lion]

why use a shotgun then

[hardy gate]

[stuck crypt]

Puts people on their ass

[rotund lion]

that is true

[stuck crypt]

Incapacitates armored people

[hardy gate]

Slug handles up to L3 armor. L4 armor takes multiple hits

[stuck crypt]

Shoot the neck

[hardy gate]

if you have time to aim then even a pistol headshot is fine. The money is in the situations of life and death where you're already being shot at and the enemies are running the rabbit

[stuck crypt]

Nah

Shotgun to neck

I know I can do it with anything but I want to shoot them in the neck with a shotgun

[hardy gate]

running the rabbit is a nice term tbh
it perfectly describes some rambo enemies in this game. just completely random

I die most often from these random maneuvers. Like they camp, but not fully, waiting after you cross a threshold to jump out and run horizontally

I have rarely seen that behavior in other games like Stalker

these bastards are why I switch from semi-auto to full auto so I can spray back.

[elder saddle]

wassup yal

[pseudo crow]

Eduardo and Marcial are the most level-headed, yet also the most aggressive. From their tone, it’s clear they’re mostly mocking the LSPD, and Marcial is a dangerous individual wanted by the USIA,I suspect he might even be a former member of the Mexican intelligence services.

The other assassins were largely under their command

[crude dust]

I never knew this

I need narcos

To fight the Mexican special forces guys

Finally a worthy opponent

[glad vigil]

Are the zoomed optics inaccurate for anyone else? My 4x hits 3 ticks down the center

[hardy gate]

that's called height over bore
it's how it works

if you need extra accuracy you can use your pistol

generally this inaccuracy doesn't matter because in a real fight you will still be hitting torso or vitals. it does matter in hostage situations

Shroud playing RON and discovering the crackbot AI
https://youtu.be/8CZKN8xOLhc?t=1114

[worn wigeon]

Hia , just bought the game , is it possible to use scroll wheel in the orders menu?

I don't want to have button 1 for 1 , 2 for 2 and else

[hardy gate]

look in the settings

[ashen canopy]

just click the scroll wheel

[worn wigeon]

clicking scroll wheel closes said menu

[hardy gate]

I think he means selecting the choice. click the wheel just bring up the menu

[hardy gate]

ok apparently scrolling the wheel changes the element color for the order menu. You can't use the scrollwheel to pick a command from the menu

[worn wigeon]

I can bind mouse4 and mouse5 for colors then

I wish I could scroll in it like arma

this needs so many different keys..

does it at least have eye tracker support?

[glad vigil]

my question is why is it zeroed to that distance when we're not ever shooting 300m or more? kinda makes the zoomed optics harder to use

like i'd rather they be zeroed for mid range combat

[stuck crypt]

That’s what they are for kind of so they are useful if you are hanging in the back of the maps of like greased palms and 3 letter triad to snipe stragglers

[viscid oak]

Hi Pinka

[crude dust]

Hi Pinka (slowed)

[pseudo crow]

In fact, MLO is relatively easy to predict, whereas Black Sentinel and Los Locos are completely unpredictable.

I feel that the combat in MLO is nowhere near as good as its backstory suggests.

[gaunt holly]

That's just how it works. No matter what distance your zero is at, your shots will always be high or low unless your target is at the exact distance you zeroed at.

Typically you don't want to zero closer than 25m because the maximum ordinate will be very big between your near zero and far zero. Causing all shots after your near zero to be hitting very high

At least for 556

[crude dust]

Thats alot of words

[gaunt holly]

🫵 🤓

[crude dust]

To bad I'm dyslexic

Heh, no nerd here blub

[nocturne furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396678139844755549/1479664084101107802/caption-4.gif

[gaunt holly]

Anti nerd type shit

[crude dust]

Holy shit, SCP reference

Let me grab my keycard for this cat

[pseudo crow]

Is it possible that the MLO has already been completely wiped out? I reckon there are very few of them left.

[gaunt holly]

Who knows. Maybe we see the other bad guys

[humble totem]

I hate how my hands feel in and after the cold

[chrome moat]

glove

[humble totem]

I dont have many

[pseudo crow]

I think the setting of Narcos would be ideal for PvP

[humble totem]

come to think of it I have none

[humble totem]

and they dont help with how stiff and wrong my hands feel

[ornate bane]

Gwop

[final rune]

I was lagging when I did the mission with the apartments what should I do

[gaunt holly]

Sounds like you might need a more powerful computer

[errant hearth]

Could be a server side or WiFi issue I cloud play this game on an Xbox one and it works fine same with my low end pc

[hardy gate]

ngl I still can't envision pvp for this game
everyone moving slowly and peeking angles

unless we are allowed to play as narcos suspects who run the rabbit like nothing

[hollow flint]

yeah pvp for slow methodical tac shooter doesnt really fit

you would have to be siege to be able to do that

[humble totem]

when will the open world battle royal with a battle pass squeal to ready or not release

[humble sinew]

i have a question

[humble sinew]

fuck pvp the gamw doesnn't need it

[final rune]

What’s up

[humble sinew]

whats the best gun for neon tomb

[final rune]

I wouldn’t know I’m new to the game

[hardy gate]

standard or hard ?

[dusky meadow]

There is no such thing as the best weapon just use what u can handle the best :)

[vagrant sun]

MP7

[scarlet nimbus]

i was about to buy it on sale but it ended uuugghhh

[hardy gate]

what matters is the caliber and recoil
if standard pick a 7.62 rifle which will oneshot
if hard, any rifle will need 2 shots to kill

great thing about this game is that the weapons are very comparable

[dusky meadow]

Use ARN-180 by far the best rifle imo✋🏽🤚🏽

[hardy gate]

personally I pick MCX / G36C for 5.56
LVAR for .300 BLK
and SA-58 for 7.62

get SFMB and vertical grip to reduce recoil and then you're good even at full-auto for 5.56

[ornate shale]

Can someone direct me to the PlayStation or console channel

[humble sinew]

standard

[humble sinew]

how about the mk16

[proud sluice]

Mcx is .300

Isn’t it?

[sinful pilot]

Hiii

[hollow flint]

bro 😭😭

[dusty hornet]

No it’s not, it’s 5.56.

[fallen sail]

ron if it was good

[dusty hornet]

When MCX was first released, it uses .300.