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[winter pendant]

You can also try throwing something one way and going the other way

[glass heart]

then you work the basic room shapes that are presented

[molten prairie]

Shield back + Free Lean might be the way to go yeah.

[glass heart]

the worst kinds of problems are open opposing doorways and hallways, especially if its a hydra scenario (two open opposing on the 3 and 9 and another threat on the 12)

[winter pendant]

Are you working solo or do you have a teammate

[molten prairie]

Hydra situations suck. That hallway on the 3rd floor of 23mbs is murder.

[winter pendant]

Oh mirror gun duh

You can use the mirror gun to scan t junctions safely

[molten flame]

how many do i need

[hybrid shadow]

One I think

[glass heart]

pushing up with cross coverage works to an extent for michael but you kinda need to have one person take the hallway and another to plate behind him as other teammates clear the living room

[hybrid shadow]

Just spawn however many you want

[glass heart]

then you maintain cover on his bedroom while working around your security and clearing the brothers room

finally you push the stack up to the final room where its just corner fed anchored deadspace

[molten prairie]

Yeah, anchored deadspace ain’t too bad.

[glass heart]

only thing you really need to do is avoid fratricide by calling ''work x hold y''

[molten flame]

is there a way to get a third/fourth team or only red/blue

[molten prairie]

I don’t have any teammates though and the AI lose all their gunfights even with Steel.

So I’m thinking I’ll tackle Michael by suppressing his doorway with a smoke and push into the kitchen.

[glass heart]

thats what i do in solo as well

[molten prairie]

If I wedge my initial entry, I can convert into single loop theory.

[glass heart]

once you clear the kitchen the rest of the threats are easily manageable

[glass heart]

usually not that necessary because you have overwatch on the hallway for all but short bursts of time spent clearing living room and the brothers room

[molten flame]

what mission

[glass heart]

i do also like to create closed loops this way tho (usually in larger enclosed areas like say a wing of relapse

[molten prairie]

Idk what it is about Michael lately but he has a habit of running outside.

Then I’ve gotta go track his dumbass down.

[molten flame]

i pressed F2 nothing happened

[hybrid shadow]

Uh

Hm I don’t know then

[molten flame]

its F1

[spare depot]

Anything i should know about this, radio jamming bomb in ANA

And i was doing so well... How do these guys bypass the wedged doo-
Oh, i forgot to wedge all of them

[molten flame]

i cant make any of them red or blue team specific

[spare depot]

Scroll?

Try scrolling when commanding a team.

[glass heart]

it activates when you interact with it and jams the bomber for 3 minutes maximum

if you fail to get him and disarm the bomb within that time you lose

so you should clear everything except for the court room, then go down or have someone go down and activate it, then rush the triggerman and detain him alive

if he dies during the jamming phase the explosives still go off and you still fail the mission

[molten flame]

wish there was a mod for a third or fourth team

like a green team or a yellow team on top of red and blue

[spare depot]

I just realised all my flashbangs are the Nine bang variants....

[dusk nest]

Is it normal to have the pair the ai teammates where one group is lethal only and one is Non-lethal in pairs of 2 and I just use which ever for the mission (sometimes will vary and use all lethal and non-lethal)

[balmy patio]

i mean u can run whatever so its fine

[dusk nest]

I usually just do it how I’m feeling that day🤣

[solemn patio]

Mlo guys have eyes in yhe back of their head what the actual fuck

[spare depot]

You are not wrong, i tried stealthing my way to a guy, but he turned a 180 and saw me

Also what do i do at the stairwells to the top floor.
If i put my eyes on the railing, there can be a guy who comes from the other side and shoot me.
If i look at the other stairwell, another guy at the railing will come and shoot me.

[spare depot]

Alternatively, i can put the shield on my back and look one way.

[spare depot]

No one was there, there was a guy in another room causing my paranoia

[sudden thorn]

do not accidentally shoot it or damage it with grenades, it disables it which makes disarming the trigger man near impossible

[spare depot]

and i am out of flashbangs.

Is there a ammo cache somewhere on ANA?

[solemn patio]

What do the door traps that are those two weird sticks do

On ANA

[spare depot]

Most likely a motion detector

Similar to those detectors mounted on the walls

Anything i should be concerned about before activating the jammer and entering the court room?

[thick dome]

alerts nearby npcs to your presence

[sudden thorn]

Top floor, by the right staircase

[sudden thorn]

Make sure the entire fourth floor except the court room is cleared out before doing so

[spare depot]

Will the bombadier (VIP suspect) resist arrest once jammer is activated?

Since the objective is to "apprehend the VIP suspect"

[solemn patio]

Do I detonate the bombs or naw

I kinda wanna get that watch

[sudden thorn]

No he just kind of stands there and aura farms even though he has a revolver that he would theoretically fire at you

[sudden thorn]

You need to s rank for the watch so you may as well get the bad ending if you want the cuff watch and the devil tattoo (look at the edge of the cell table and interact with the carving for that, don’t miss it)

[solemn patio]

I meant the cuffs yeah

[spare depot]

Any civilians in the courtroom?

[sudden thorn]

Nope

[spare depot]

Strange....

[sudden thorn]

Not any that aren’t dead atleast

[spare depot]

Cool, cool.
I havent arreseted all civilians yet apparently

[cloud tree]

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO FIND A GAME?????? I THOUGHT PC WAS SUPPOSE TO BE BETTER??

[sudden thorn]

If you just host a public lobby people join you relatively quickly

No lag too for youso there’s no complaints in that

[molten flame]

dude

WHY IS THE AI SO GOOD AT KILLING SUSPECTS WITH LITERALLY EVERYTHING

LIKE I COULD GIVE THEM A PLASTIC BUTTERKNIFE AND THEY WOULD FIND A WAY

[sudden thorn]

the ai is so inconsistent sometimes it will do jackshit and sometimes it’ll be playing better then you

[spare depot]

Order is bought to Chaos
Civilians are rescued
Bombs are defused.
Finally got "programmed psychosis."

[sudden thorn]

Nice job

[molten flame]

lowk if void wasn’t like discord support I’d make a suggestion for more departments

also why is there a FISA HRT on standby at EVERY call but won’t go in until Judge goes down

[solemn patio]

Apparently I failed to disarm the vip suspect I CUFFED HIM WAY BEFORE IT TOLD ME

Aw I cant say those words but FUCK YOU BLACK SENTINEL MERCS I WILL KILL ALL OF YOU

I LET MY GUARD DOWN AND ONE AIRED ME OUT

[solemn patio]

They need to make the AIs vision worse

[marble flume]

what do you mean you don't like being one-pixel peeked

[pulsar lake]

Dude fr I got PERFECTLY aimbotted and two-tapped through a door by a suspect

[solemn patio]

realism hurr durrr give me all the difficulty im a masochistic guy who plays milsim games hurr durr average ready or not defender

The guys started wiping my squad out because AI SWAT are so incompetent

Why dont I have the omnipotent ai that can pixel peek 2 tap suspects across the map on my team huh

[pulsar lake]

ANA on hard is kicking my ass. If we don't have a drop on the guy, 2 of my squad is dead immediately

[marble flume]

If you're not going for S ranks, get 2-3 Veterans and your SWAT AI get aimbot too lmao

[solemn patio]

On standard im being pissed on because my ai mysteriously became less tanky

[solemn patio]

Alright ill try

My game keeps crashing and bugging out this games so broken

I wish theyd revert this stupid fucking update and fix it before giving it to us

[marble flume]

I'd probably go Armorer, Nutritionist and two Veterans and give your SWAT AIs Full Ceramic, its better than Steel for them since they have a tendency of getting shot at from every possible direction

[solemn patio]

What if four veterans

[marble flume]

honestly even two should be pretty solid, that's about equal to Hard difficulty suspects iirc

[marble flume]

Yeah, two Veterans make the SWAT AI more accurate than the suspects are on Hard, thats easily more than enough

Hard difficulty suspects basically land every single shot on you that they fire lol

[solemn patio]

I tried rhank you come again on hard and they were so aggressive and dangerous dude

I died instantly in the diner

[molten flame]

Why are my SWAT guys able to kill suspects with literally everything

THEY KILLED A SUSPECT WITH THE FUCKING PEPPERBALL LAUNCHER

[desert tartan]

Hey does anyone know how to get the Triple Weapon Pack on Playstation without me having to purchase the game again because I purchased the standard edition and just learned that in order to get the weapon pack I have to have the deluxe edition which means I would have to purchase the game over again and I am willing to do literally anything to avoid this because I love the game I don't love it enough to purchase it twice

[molten flame]

i think you can buy it without buying a second copy of RoN

[desert tartan]

You see I tried that but I looked through the extra content under the game and it didn't have it listed

All that's listed for sale is home invasion boiling point dark Waters and mission pass alpha

[cedar mulch]

The spider will win. Because they are a vast force.

[molten flame]

love how the security guard on Elephant just straight up has an LAPD badge

[tacit gull]

modelling a new badge vewy hawrd

[dense coral]

Am I crazy or are the DLC missions like really easy

I got S rank on the last Home Invasion mission and the first Dark Waters mission on my first attempt

[magic notch]

guys for the love of god before I start tweaking, how in the fuck do u do the greasy palms mission

[dense coral]

Its the hardest mission in the game. I failed it so many times when i first started playing i literally quit playing for like 6 months and when i came back i beat it first try somehow

[magic notch]

died 35 times on it btw

[dense coral]

Flash Launcher is your friend, and wedging doors is pretty much mandatory

Flash Launcher and five seven is what I used

[magic notch]

genuinely don't know why the fuck it's so hard

im actually so tired of this game now

[dense coral]

Its best to clear the tiny outside building first to the right when you first load in, and jam the door that leads to the actual warehouse thats out there. Then go outside and clear that area while jamming the 2 doors that are on the left of the building

If you dont mind watching a guide I used the clearpath from "OfficialInvictus" on youtube

[strange depot]

Programmed psychosis completion rate is still .01% on console lol. Must be less than 100 people in the world that have done it

[blazing shoal]

bruh i havent finished neon tomb on standard because i turn a corner, boom, immediate bomber shows up

[waxen tartan]

Im lucky if i make it to the 3rd floor

[waxen tartan]

Wedges aren't mandatory but can be useful

[upper haven]

Any tips for a new console player

[waxen tartan]

Uhh, play the tutorial learn all the commands and what they mean and what they do also don't rush in missions but don't take your sweet time prioritize your own life over your AI so for example sacrifice your AI before yourself learn what guns work for you and always use lasers but only use flashlights when necessary when going for armor apparently steel front only is Meta don't use pepper spray it doesn't work only use a taser if you need to stingers and gas grenades are kinda useless always react first to the suspect learn their mannerisms when they're surrendering versus when they're not watch their hands and when possible always use flash bangs a ballistic mask on your helmet isn't required but it doesn't really have a con so you might as well wear it cause it protects your face from small calibers i think learn the maps that enemies use armor and don't use armor since you're starting off I would make sure ammunition with jacket point ammo and armor piercing ammo then once you learn the map you know which one you'll need to use, you wanna play im on right now?

[wide summit]

heyo i got a quick question, me and a buddy keep failing the jammer objective on new america for some reason - does it get failed if the jammer gets shot or anything like that?

it'll literally just fail us midway through a mission randomly and we have no idea what's going on

[spring saddle]

well given that your console youll be fine. IMO and im not sure but it seems like standard mode got somewhat easier

but the game after you play a while you'lll learn the nature of the AI

[feral mango]

i like stingers. gas grenades are nearly useless and they kill civilians

is nightvision ever useful?

[void ingot]

Is it just me, or does the AI get noticeably dumber on Hard difficulty?
I’m watching officers get lit up while shouting “Drop the weapon!” without firing a single shot. One dies, then the next officer repeats the exact same mistake and also dies. Zero rounds fired from either of them.
They still sprint off to secure weapons like it’s their life’s purpose, which has always been an issue.
And the worst part: I’m leaning around a corner, can’t lean any further because I’m clipping something, so I turn around and the AI has walked right up beside me, turned their back, and is now physically blocking my line of sight.
The AI was at least semi‑competent before the console update, but on Hard it feels like they’ve somehow lost all their training.

[feral mango]

i didnt know being a veteran actually made a difference?

[jade spire]

how much of a difference does the balistic mask make vs just the helmet?

[tawdry hedge]

It adds one extra durability for your helmet. A normal helmet can take 2 shots from 556 and small arms before breaking and becoming useless and only one from a 762x51 but with the mask it basically doubles that I think

[flint minnow]

well, slowly getting through all the missions S rank on hard, upto Greasy Palms now le'sigh....

[tawdry hedge]

If you want to take the easy way out use flash launcher

But that sucks either way man

[flint minnow]

already got it equiped

[tawdry hedge]

Nice

[jade spire]

damn thats a crazy difference, thanks

[flint minnow]

Flash launcher, 9 extra rounds, 2 9 bangers cause they are sometimes handy, and 2(4) door stops, shell be right

[trim cedar]

Hey guys, do anyone know which version of the mcx we have in game?

[final ember]

just me does the description of pieces evidence in the evidence room reek of AI?
the text is just so bloated

[spring saddle]

whoever was in my server my bad it was timdogg. my RON just crashed

it does that after a couple of lobbies

[sudden thorn]

Yeah if you damage it by gunfire or stingers then the jammer breaks and it’s pretty much impossible to arrest the triggerman unless you are very precise and quick with a 9 bang

[hybrid belfry]

Wordle devs are like Amos Voll irl

[hybrid swan]

Currently the only audio I’ve had for 2 rounds straight has been bugged and just plays the swat van audio 🙏🙏 GOAT

[burnt gazelle]

Queued move and clear commands on a door that had no suspects behind, team was stalling, didn’t check the trap, and we all died

[vagrant marsh]

Even if you haven't found it yet?

[vagrant marsh]

Pretty sure its the Virtus

[solemn patio]

We need mlo triggerman x judge yaoi

[burnt gazelle]

Please NO

[solemn patio]

Why

[burnt gazelle]

That would be too toxic

[azure mulch]

How to access evidence room

[covert aurora]

in commander mode or quick play at the station

multiplayer evidence room is sealed off

[azure mulch]

Thank you good sir

[marble flume]

I had a SWAT guy kill a surrendered suspect with a beanbag shotgun, which somehow counted as MY kill, so he then immediately killed MY ass with the beanbag shotgun

[tiny hatch]

How yall get a blue or purple beam

[somber vigil]

Mods

[tiny hatch]

Damn

[tough pond]

The audio bug on ps5 is literally so annoying

[glass heart]

pepperballs still DO damage, its just very very little damage

as in, less than 1 health (incap health is 160)

but its still technically possible for them to kill/incap with them

[weary bramble]

You mean the one that makes the game have no sound right?

[somber vigil]

Apparently fisa agent Adams is the most resilient suspect on earth. I just blew up a door with him less than 10 feet away from it, he was still up. I decided to make the bold decision to throw all 5 of my 9 bangs, along with my ai throwing a singular stinger. I then proceeded to shoot him 7 times in the legs as to not kill him, only to be killed swiftly by the man I was shooting. 8/10 realism

[solemn patio]

I know right

Your AI could all be wiped out in a gunfight and all you hear is that fuckass heroic fanfare in that one room

[somber vigil]

I forgot to mention he also eliminated two of my officers before me.

[solemn patio]

Will the MP7 work on ANA

[somber vigil]

If you bring a lot of bullets

[tough pond]

Yes completely silent

Then you focus really hard and sneak around a corner and the sound comes back at full volume and jumpscares the hell out of you

[weary bramble]

😭

man, that sucks

[tough pond]

Literally acidently shot a civilian cuz i got jumpscared

[weary bramble]

Bruh
welp, I hope they do a hotfix for that cuz I was planning to come back to the game until that bug happened 😞

[solemn patio]

Ima use the mcx instead

I was gonna use g36c but mcx has higher rof

[tough pond]

Yeah its very annoying i dont recommend playing on ps5 until it gets fixed

[solemn patio]

It also makes you lag

[tough pond]

Yeah when the audio comes back you get like 3 frames of a slideshow

[quasi coral]

No, it's no different than on standard, they have the same problems.

[solemn patio]

Should i just cheese ana with shield and free lean super low crouch

All of my squad except for 1 guy just got wiped out by a single MLO 4 man team

They flanked us mid breach dawg

I was covering flank ans they just stopped breaching to shoot the guys

[cedar mulch]

I think the MLO storyline has come to an end

[solemn patio]

I just got one shot through a shield LOL

I was crouched n everything they had NO angle to hit me from

Is the shield realistic now in that it cant stop rifles

Im dying much faster with the shield what the hell

It feels like they do more damage when i use the shield what the hell did void do to their game

[jolly verge]

No

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[solemn patio]

Weird

[wet chasm]

when are we getting bolt actions

[solemn patio]

Ohhhh

[solemn patio]

Thats what im saying we need an awm or a Barrett MRAD

[wet chasm]

maybe the latter is a bit too much

but I’d gladly take it if the lspd is willing to go bankrupt and buy me four .50 mags

[solemn patio]

They shoot the same things, the mrad shoots 300 or 338 or 762

Id like a Tac-50 maybe?

Or an AW50 or something I wanna blow the mlos lungs out

[wet chasm]

id take a psg1 tho

it’s so beautiful

[solemn patio]

The AWM shoots i think 338 or 300 mag

[solemn patio]

Yessss and an hk33

[wet chasm]

Hk33 is pretty much the ga51 design wise

[solemn patio]

Moreso the 53

But stronger rahh

I want 556 roller delayed piss missile gun

[wet chasm]

honestly just give us a m110, I’d be happy with that

[solemn patio]

Honestly nah I want a PSR (mrad i think socom designation)

MK22 i think

[wet chasm]

Maybe keep that to the milsims

[solemn patio]

Whyy :((

I wanna piss on someone axross the map

[wet chasm]

the across the map in question would be across the room unless youre playing hide and seek

[dire raft]

To what does the MK1 carbine compare with the other firearms ?

Is it closer to the MK 18 or the ARWC

[tiny delta]

Im new to the game and I'm playing the career mode. And holy man, twisted nerve is a gauntlet

[naive terrace]

One of the best levels in the game

[jolly verge]

Worst 5.56 rifle same as GA416

[tiny delta]

I can see why. As a first time playthrough where I lost 2 out of my 4 men on only one house out of 3. Its brutal

[vagrant drift]

Guys, can I create custom maps with the newest Unreal Engine version?

[azure mulch]

what are the conditions to unlock evidences

[hybrid belfry]

Why the fuck my fps became lower after lowering graphics settings

this is some bullshit

[azure mulch]

Helmet cam fps limit

[final jacinth]

please help, i've soft completed ana on s rank, but idk what stops me from finishing the mission, i counted all guns several times, reported all civvis and still idk what to do!!

[lone musk]

Well I'm off to and try to S rank Valley of The Dolls.... even though I really don't want to. But after I do I'm gonna do 1 more quick run through where no suspects will be left, especially Voll.

[solemn patio]

Or greased palms

[late ice]

anyone else have the glitch i just had muct be a bug i was playing greased palms and for some reason i cant arrested jack adams he just stands there

[pastel tartan]

Soft objectives

Which mission is it?

[final jacinth]

ANA

i already finished it, some of the guns disappeared sadly

[somber vigil]

I would trust a homeless man to buy food, instead of narcotics with the $10 I gave him, before I ever trust the ai teammates to watch my back EVER again.

[pastel tartan]

I haven't done that one yet sorry

[pulsar lake]

Anyone have tips for ANA on hard for dealing with the courtroom and the final double stairs?

[somber vigil]

On the stairs I would recommend to play defensive, they will push you as long as they know you’re there. On the courtroom I would recommend wedging the middle entrance, and wedge off one side that you’re not going on. When you get to the point of pushing throw a 9 bang or stinger preferably.

[golden dust]

does anybody know anything about the hidden weapons the player can use?

[wind gyro]

@coarse osprey scam!!

[golden dust]

what an amazing pfp, it truly makes me want to invest

[nimble ravine]

i just died at the end of the mansion in one of the stupidest ways imaginable

im so pissed lmao

[pulsar lake]

Watching a lot of guides and it just looks like a lot of baiting

[dry wigeon]

am i the only one having trouble reading the mission briefings on the chest tablet? the grey writing and bright white background seem like a shit combination, can i ajust the colours at all?

[native rune]

You may be colorblind or your graphics/monitor settings are strange

I know there are accessibility options but I’ve never messed with them so Idk if they affect the tablet

[dry wigeon]

i see colours just fine mate

[tired jungle]

Are your color settings fucked

Are you using a tn monitor

[native rune]

Do you see the number right here:

Didn’t think so

[dry wigeon]

very funny

[marble flume]

hm, gonna try two intimidators and two negotiators for this s-rank

[native rune]

I prefer to change them up depending on the map and when I’m not lazy. For the sake of the ai I usually bring an Armorer and a Veteran, but the remaining two might alternate between Breachers or Negotiators

[toxic folio]

67!

[marble flume]

I mean, I'm not even using the AI cause I'm doing S-Ranks on Hard now, and they're just gonna get fragged.

I've decided armorer and nutritionist isn't even worth it on these runs because the later suspects are so insanely deadly that the difference in survivability is almost zero

Also, good god Intimidator is such a goated perk, just did Carriers of the Vine without a single enemy even firing a shot, and I only had to fire MY own Taser a single time (plus one beanbag shotgun round) to clear the map

that being said, the next map is Relapse and Intimidator doesn't do shit against The Hand, so fuck me

[storm belfry]

The intimidator can't intimidate the intimidator

[marble flume]

Yeah this map is absolutely kicking my balls in rn

[storm belfry]

The arch-nemesis of door kickers

[marble flume]

Well every single suspect on this map is shoot-on-sight, kind of a problem on Hard

[storm belfry]

grow an extra pair of eyes

[marble flume]

yeah this probably isn't even possible

I'm really thinking this isn't possible

[solemn patio]

Good luck bro

[marble flume]

Relapse Hard S-Rank in Commander, god what am I even doing here

this actually might be more cancer than Greased Palms ever was

[solemn patio]

No it wont trust me

Use alt entrance and m320 flash

[marble flume]

I don't have enough rounds for the M32A1 anyway, there's 20 goddamn suspects

I'm not doing the alt entrance because I do not like my options for clearing that side of the building from that side

my long tac is a shield because that's just mandatory

[solemn patio]

Theres 21 on a new america :)

If i remember right

[marble flume]

ANA on Standard is easily easier than Relapse on Hard

Even ANA suspects aren't shoot-on-sight, Relapse suspects ARE shoot-on-sight

Christ, tried using a riot shield with Negotiator and that kinda worked, but then I got slimed later

I've officially decided that Armorer and Nutritionist are completely useless for this run

[solemn patio]

Dual veteran and dual intimidator maybe?

[marble flume]

Intimidator is useless on Relapse, and I'm not using the AI because they WILL die instantly and I don't feel like grinding more perks or alt-f4ing the game

[solemn patio]

Hmm

[opaque zealot]

shoot and kill the threat

[marble flume]

I mean, I can attempt to use the AI, but I really don't think it'll work out

[solemn patio]

Dual veteran makes ai swat accurate as hard mode ai soo

[marble flume]

Well I need Armorer and Nutri to even start using the AI, and Negotiatior just rolls a 50% chance for instant surrender, which I'll easily take over more accuracy

honestly, the more that I think about it the more I think I should just use the fuckin AI lmao

[wide summit]

Yeah dude it was so weird. We had one run where we shot a dude through the door and it damaged the jammer which we hadn't even seen yet. The next run, one of the bad guys was running around randomly firing full auto and blew it up before we even cleared half the floor

[solemn patio]

My AI swat just pulled the fire alarm or some shit idek i didnt pull it

[solemn patio]

Send em in to die

[native rune]

The suspects will

[solemn patio]

Oo

[native rune]

I’m actually not sure why or if it even does anything

[solemn patio]

Got rushed immediately after

The SR16 has a ton of drag on movement for no reason lowkey

[native rune]

I pulled it on my first ever attempt and was like “Ah okay probably shouldn’t have done that”

[marble flume]

Well that does fuck over the S rank I'm trying to get

[solemn patio]

Why would you do this to yourself

[native rune]

Yeah I hate the guns that have insane drag for no reason

[marble flume]

Also, I'm just gonna try using the AI because I'm tired of using the bean shotgun, missing one round and then dying immediately

[cinder elbow]

Honestly I feel like the AI teamates are better than 60% of the playerbase

[wide summit]

i know it's cheese, but have you tried arming everyone with the primary flash launcher? lowkey the best way to S rank a mission if you're just trying to get through it

[marble flume]

Fuck me, I tell my SWATs to follow me in a Diamond and somehow they do Cover instead, meaning they sit on their ass while I get lit up by the first suspect on the map

[marble flume]

I refuse to use the primary flash launcher on principle, I only ever equip it on a secondary-focused setup since there's no reason not to

[solemn patio]

Imagine if we got the pp-19-01 vityaz

[wide summit]

Understandable for sure. I used it for the Hawaiian shirt for fun but redid Valley of the Dolls for a legit S rank after lol

[solemn patio]

Why is this one British dude so overpowered it feels like he has plot armor

The ak is actually good

Im using it on ANA as a joke and it served me better than the SR16

Its rof makes the recoil very easy to manage

[balmy patio]

the M32A1:

[marble flume]

#👮ron-discussion message

[balmy patio]

well shit idk what else to tell u gang dont miss ig

also theres the taser yknow

please use it its broken

[marble flume]

not on relapse lol

its funny on maps where intimidator works though

[balmy patio]

wdym

relapse is pretty CQC on like 90% of it aside of the bridge, in fact almost the entire map has the range of the taser

now greased palms i could understand or other open maps

[solemn patio]

Why does judge have a panix attack and 10 ptsd episodes whenever hes shot at

Hes an MKUltra soldier dude

[marble flume]

awesome, love getting full-auto'd through a door and getting 100 to 0'd

[solemn patio]

My gun became impossible to control when i was shot at dude

Was like my AK was shooting 308 instead of 762x39

Dude it was m14 recoil im serious

I was controlling it

[marble flume]

your recoil gets worse when your arms get shot

[solemn patio]

Oh makes sense

[marble flume]

because this game is incredibly stupid

[solemn patio]

Fucking black sentinel mercs are pissing me off

They shouldnt be on a new america they should be on all gods burn and thats it

[bold apex]

enemies can see laser?

[rich reef]

Dont think so

Only flashlight

[marble flume]

Yeah I try using the AI and they just get gunned down

[solemn patio]

That british motherfucker is catching 30 rounds on sigjt

[ornate heath]

imagine a mission involving Los Suenos equivalent of the Paris catacombs

[marble flume]

fuck me, was doing pretty well, but the bomb room on the first side of the map had three of my squad wiped out by that vigilante chick with a goddamn RPK

Not gonna lie, I think the first entrance is actually better than the second one

[balmy patio]

i mean shit my ass would also not be able to aim well having holes in my arms 🤣

[solemn patio]

You arent judge tho judge is built different hes just whiney

I just got oneshot while a suspect had his gun lowered what the actual fuck

I melees him and got shot with an m16a4 in the foot and somehow that killed me

I think my foot being shot isnt going to instantly kill me

Ill die quick if untreated sure

[marble flume]

Trying to even figure out what your HP is is basically impossible

[solemn patio]

I hadnt even seen a suspect before that incident

Should i js kill them on sight

[gusty beacon]

Is there a reason why trailers use 99 swat gear

[solemn patio]

Because we broke boah

[balmy patio]

eh you can if you have looked at the spreadsheet before but thats nerdy ngl

it tells u what HP each of the outlines means but thats too nerdy lowk

[marble flume]

I mean, I'm on Hard, suspects basically fire at 1000 RPM or higher

[balmy patio]

oh yeah it wont matter

if you get lucky with the bleeds you can survive the whole mission but yknow its better to not get shot at

[solemn patio]

One guy just squadwiped my guys on ana

[balmy patio]

you also cannot get bursted down for that health gating so

[solemn patio]

Should I just accept i suck and play ana on casual instead

Naw

[marble flume]

I stopped even using armorer and nutritionist at some point

[solemn patio]

Which officer traits r useless btw guys

[marble flume]

Riot Control is ass, SBAGS is just worse Morale Officer in every possible way, Breacher is pretty bad

[tacit gull]

kicker

[marble flume]

Kicker is also pretty shit.

I mean, technically it works at least, but if your right leg is damaged you still can't kick open a door lmao

[tacit gull]

trait that does nothing that does even less nothing if you get hit once

to be fair most traits can just do nothing which is why you shouldn't even bother

the best trait you can get is the restart button frum quickplay

[balmy patio]

kicker trait is if you want to just aggro the enemies for free and sometimes get wallbanged while doing those 90 degree kicks either way

just lockpick it

[marble flume]

Yeah, but for S ranks I really fuckin need officer traits.

Same for Hard difficulty, and my dumbass is doing BOTH of those things lol

[solemn patio]

I just got into a gunfight with my ai swat for the lols

Wish they weren’t invincible to make it more fair

[tacit gull]

you really dont, the flash launcher is strong enough to make all s ranks a cakewalk by itself

[marble flume]

you have three ways of opening a door.

1. opening it
2. lockpicking via multitool/lockgun
3. breaching shotgun

everything else is shit

[solemn patio]

Yk after executing a civ or fellow officer

[marble flume]

Yeah, but that's also pretty cringe

[jolly verge]

Riot Control, Breacher, Kicker, Paramedic, Veteran, S.B.A.G.S., Moral officer

[tacit gull]

if the game's mechanics are shit and you're given the option to avoid them then why not

[balmy patio]

hes torturing himself by restricting its use

[marble flume]

Veteran is actually really good, only for lethal ofc

The best way to save your officers is alt-f4 lmao

[balmy patio]

on hard mode, now on standard you can get away with the pepperball since its actually usable and evon some situations or maps

[tacit gull]

the game doesnt deserve that much respect from the player considering the devs couldnt be asked to give it

[balmy patio]

but the devs decided to throw a middle finger at pepperballs for no reason even to it wasnt meta so yeah

[marble flume]

Pepperballs are okay on Standard, although God help you in a hostage situation

[balmy patio]

they are better than beanbags on some of the harder S rank maps, mainly the open ones like port hikan greased palms etc

[marble flume]

I actually don't think it would help me anyway because I don't have enough rounds for it, although I AM using my SWAT AI at this point so I honestly might fucking try it

[balmy patio]

basically any map where the beanbag wont even reach the suspects

[marble flume]

That being said, the only way I don't instantly die on Relapse when entering a run is by walking in with a riot shield equipped

So far, my best strategy is generally "Open and Clear with Leader" then either walking in with a riot shield equipped or throwing a grenade inside the moment my boi opens the door

[solemn patio]

We need a little caesars level where the suspects all have m249s and battle rifles to mimic the average little caesars atmosphere

[marble flume]

thats just ides of march lol

I think Relapse might be the hardest level for this challenge run, I don't think Hide and Seek is gonna give me this much of a problem

[solemn patio]

Imagine revolver only S rank hard

[marble flume]

I did attempt to do Greased Palms with a revolver

[solemn patio]

Just relying entirely on shouts

[marble flume]

the problem is really just using the revolver at all

torso shot - instant kill
arm shot - does complete fuckall

Its basically just the same issue shotgun slugs have

[rich reef]

JHP on that mission is great since suspects dont wear armor there

[marble flume]

I mean, yeah its what I used, I did actually clear Hide and Seek with a revolver and it wasn't even that hard

Its a clunky piece of shit, but it does one-shot out to at least 100 meters with JHP, so it ain't that bad

[rich reef]

Warehouse area and the big open spots always get me

[marble flume]

Greased Palms just has fucked map geometry

[rich reef]

I hate the the revolver so much

[marble flume]

don't get me wrong, its dogshit

[rich reef]

But its cool as shit

Only reason to use it is to feel badass

[marble flume]

actually better off the shield than it is normally lmao

the issue is its like the other early pistols where when you're moving it shoots into Narnia

[solemn patio]

Sinuous trail is actually annoying what the fuck sid they do to the ai here

I have an easier time doing relapse

[marble flume]

I'd easily take that map right now lol

[solemn patio]

These dirty fucking wireback tinskin CLANKERS

They keep killing me through the shield

Im using free lean to crouch as low as possible too dude

[marble flume]

I might never tell my goddamn officers to move and clear a room again, dear god it just locks their AI and they're so shit at it

I had that one vigilante lady literally just dump an entire RPK drum at me while I'm behind a shield and my officers don't do a fucking thing to help me

[solemn patio]

I swapped off steel to ceramic and im dying so much faster what the fuck

[marble flume]

Just use steel, even with armorer ceramic is shit

Ceramic works until it doesn't, Steel always works

[solemn patio]

I see now

[solemn patio]

I know right

I ACCIDENTALLY JUST LOSDE DINTO ANA WITH LESS LETHAL

OH MY GOD NOO IM COOKED GUYS COOKEDDD

I just incapacitated a suspect by spamming taser but he came back to capacity when he was cuffed

[rich reef]

They can get knocked out sometimes

[nimble ravine]

i remember i thoguth i botch a run cause of that. i lowkey thought i killed a dude with my tazer so i reset

[marble flume]

thats just faking death, its impossible to knock anyone out with a taser

[rich reef]

Thought they could but I've only seen them get knocked out by C2 or just shot and get back up

[marble flume]

that's also faking death I think, they don't get up unless you look away from them

[rich reef]

No I've reported them as incaped then they get back up after

[marble flume]

should be reported as Dead, Incap'd is never fake

[rich reef]

I swear I've reported them incap'd and they get back up

I'll have to test it

[marble flume]

shoudn't be a thing to my knowledge and to the knowledge of the allmighty MMMM spreadsheet

[solemn patio]

Sinuous trail suspects shouldnt fire full auto all the time dude it makes them friendly fire so much and ruins my s ranks

[marble flume]

two intimidators, two negotiatiors, and just run around with a tazer

try not to put your back to any suspects if possible

In most cases, you can literally just sprint up to a guy and bash him with the tazer to get an arrest on him without even needing to shoot the thing, assuming you fail the 50% chance he surrenders for free

[solemn patio]

Oh my god i accidentally brought my lethal officers to less lethal LOL

[bright belfry]

Love that 60 ms one tap with a pistol

love that 0 ms instant death from nothing

[misty tide]

Hm.

[solemn patio]

If you crouch before using free lean you can get really low im about to test if it can shoot through the vent on 23 megabytes a sec

IT CAN

THIS IS SO OP WTH IM SO GOATED

[glass heart]

what are you expecting when it comes to void lol

these guys cant even make bushes opaque for the enemy (or make darkness rain and obstructions affect them in any way shape or form)

not to mention the sprinting accuracy being stupid

and the friendly ai being lobotomized

[pulsar lake]

Wow SWAT is genuinely useless in ANA. Twice in a row they alerted the enemies and ONE guy wiped out the entire squad after me

[marble flume]

bushes? try windows with blinds over them that enemies see right through on VoTD

[glass heart]

swat ai doesnt actually trip the ir tripwires if thats what you mean by alerting

it looks like they do but only players activate them

they are very useless though

[pulsar lake]

Making sound

[balmy patio]

u should make them hold alot more

[native rune]

I still lose swat guys who wanna auto arrest suspects right in front of doors. They run right past everybody and get lit up for like two or three whole seconds doing nothing. I’ll also get guys who detect a downed suspect to cuff through a door, and so they want to circumnavigate the entire map and try to solo everyone on the alternate route into that room, and I can’t even order them to stop or anything because Restrain isn’t stoppable

[pulsar lake]

Ngl mostly solo-ing the mission gets me to about the same progress as using a squad

[marble flume]

Yeah, I do like how Restrain literally overrides every other command in the game. Its why I often lock SWAT AIs in a room while I solo the whole map just to be safe

[pulsar lake]

Also I hate the shotgun hit reg in the game

[native rune]

I’ve never had the issues with hit reg, have seen clips of ridiculously bs reg though. I just don’t like shotguns because at a certain point they take multiple shots to do anything to someone, which puts them in the same situation as any assault rifle

An issue I have noticed lately is that suspects that are kinda far away or obstructed by decoration will literally look like they are frozen and teleporting around.

[waxen crater]

no stun on suspects when they are hit with a 50 ae thanks void

[pulsar lake]

Hit reg has never not been an issue for as long as I've played

[native rune]

Judge when a pistol shot hits him through solid concrete: screen shake vision blur slow walk hold f to bandage broken arm

Suspects when they take battle rifle to the chest: reposition whilst sustaining full auto walking-fire, but it is actually sprinting and not walking

[marble flume]

it actually won't if you use JHP on an armored suspect

[lost inlet]

Steel gives 86.5% damage reduction all the time, ceramic gives 100% damage reduction for the first 3 hits then any hits afterward reduces damage by 40%.

[solemn patio]

Steel is better for general purpose, ceramic is better for when you’re not in the middle of it all

[marble flume]

I think I'm just gonna run Armorer, Nutri and two Negotiators and then walk around holding a riot shield while my SWAT friends do everything

[vivid widget]

only 3 hits is crazy

[marble flume]

I try to melee bash a suspect, my shield goes through him and then he just magdumps me through it

I did get further with my "cower behind a shield" strategy, despite how lame it is

[sturdy pumice]

Just had a 42 minute Hide and seek S rank run

[marble flume]

goddamn

[nimble ravine]

I tired Rust belt once and it seems so annoying. I’ll try again later but man, more tunnels? Now instead of junkies it’s Mexicans who want to fill me full of lead really really fast cause it’s hardmode so why not yk?

[lost inlet]

Could’ve been 2 like irl.

[lost inlet]

Ceramic is only better if you want to wear heavy full. Heavy full steel would ended up backfiring at you cause it makes you stands still for a second which allows more chances to get shot at.

[bright belfry]

I expect nothing at this point i just hope for more

[marble flume]

I've officially given up on 9-bangs, these things are such dogshit

[vivid widget]

5 meter radius does that

[lost inlet]

Void releases either the most op or the most dogshit equipment, there’s no in between.

[marble flume]

Alright, I've reached my next verdict.

Relapse, on Hard difficulty, is THE hardest map in the game.

I do not give a shit what anyone says about ANA, I haven't even played ANA yet, and its easily no contest compared to this dogshit

Suspects already start the map stressed out, so the nanosecond they spot you they open fire. There's zero counters to this outside of hiding behind a riot shield, its literally just guaranteed damage

[lost inlet]

Riot shi- 🤮

[sturdy pumice]

Try it with only the revolver.

[marble flume]

Look, I don't like it either, but this map is genuinely such bullshit I don't even think the flash launcher could cheese this map

[bright belfry]

Ive cleared both and ANA is definitly harder

the rooms on relaspe are smaller so flashes are significantly more effective

[marble flume]

On Hard difficulty? I'm referring to Hard specifically

[bright belfry]

yes

[marble flume]

Because I'm dying in under a second of sustained fire, with Armorer and a Nutritionist on the team, and I genuinely have no fucking idea how to counter that

[bright belfry]

dont get me wrong their both "hard" but imo ANA is just a lot harder cause of its main big rooms

[marble flume]

Even ANA suspects aren't shoot on sight like Relapse suspects are

[bright belfry]

it took me and a buddy maybe 4 tries to do relapse in like 15-20 mins

[covert hamlet]

I haven’t even played ANA yet

The MLO will firmly correct this wrong opinion

[marble flume]

I literally have to round every corner with a riot shield, otherwise I instantly die

[bright belfry]

yup thats void laziness for ya

[marble flume]

To my knowledge, Intimidator works on ANA, which would make that map considerably easier

Why can you even equip zipties when doing so does nothing

[covert hamlet]

If Relapse is hard, the schizo flowermen will fucking VIOLATE you. They have the strongest armor in the game, 90% of them have the deadliest battle rifles in the game and they’re literally able to fucking BREACH AND CLEAR you with flashbangs. They’re also immune to CS gas and are hyper aware of you because of cameras and tripwires

[covert aurora]

Because reasons

Not really sure tbh

[covert hamlet]

I promise you dude Relapse is nothing compared to ANA oh my god that map filters players with 100+ hours you have no idea how severely the odds are put against you in ANA.

[lost inlet]

I don’t like the term riot shield cause clearly it’s a ballistic shield.

[lost inlet]

Camera does nothing btw.

[covert aurora]

ANA on hard is the accurcay of old farm from early access.

[covert hamlet]

Like if you can’t handle Relapse you won’t make it past the second floor of hard mode ANA it is easily and objectively the hardest map in the game

[lost inlet]

And ANA is harder cause at least relapse only has lvl3 plates which can be pen by heavier JHP rifle caliber and AP 4.6/5.7.

You’re forced to use AP rifles on ANA.

[covert hamlet]

I need to see this man play ANA on hard mode BADLY relapse is amateur level shit he truly has no idea how badly he’s about to get his cheeked RAILED raw

0 chance successfully he defuses the triggerman’s vest first try if he even gets past the staircase area

i don’t want any theories on how you think it might be easier. just play it. buy the DLC and play it.

[stark hill]

whos gonna tell em...

Listen bro all imma say is that ANA is the only map that Ive EVER had to use shotguns or full auto to complete

[vivid widget]

speaking of shotguns
@lost inlet for your loadout, do you still do 3 primary 2 secondary for shotguns or do you change it
slightly?

[covert hamlet]

don’t forget the poison gas traps

and the black sentinel are also there

[stark hill]

those arent that bad

but the trap that snitches on you tho

[marble flume]

thats just every map for me with lethal, pretty much lol

[lost inlet]

The same.

32+9 is more than enough for every maps.

Wait, it’s 24+9.

That’s still enough anyway.

[stark hill]

yeah but like its different here

I promise you bro, once you understand relapse and then go play ANA

[marble flume]

I'm trying to hide behind a riot shield while my AI does most of everything, and even then I can't get this goddamn level done

[stark hill]

Yeah thats gonna happen on ANA too

its actually gonna be worse

[covert hamlet]

play the map. just play it. if you can’t do relapse you have absolutely zero hope of completing hard mode ANA

[stark hill]

on bro

[marble flume]

Well I'm going for S rank Relapse on Hard because I'm just insane in the head

That being said I honestly doubt I could even beat this map with an actual gun at this point

[stark hill]

just use a shotgun and shoot them all if they have a gun

its not that bad trust

[marble flume]

they always shoot first

like every time, I wish I was kidding

[stark hill]

then YOU shoot first

[marble flume]

I don't even think I could complete this map with a flash launcher, this shit is that bad

[stark hill]

play it like its cod, but without the speedrunning

[stark hill]

man i used to think the exact same thing as you

[marble flume]

I don't have 0.050 second reaction time, and in fact, no one does

[covert hamlet]

stack up on flashes and spam them

[marble flume]

I'm trying to spam stingers already, and it helps, whenever grenades actually work

[stark hill]

invest in the M320 stingers

[covert hamlet]

flashes are better for indoors, they’re AOE based. stingers use physical projectiles that have to hit AI

[marble flume]

also called the "yes I'd like to fuck myself royally every click"

[covert hamlet]

stingers are better for large outdoor environments

[stark hill]

Or also known as the "The item that the only ppl who complain abt it are js trash asf"

[marble flume]

are you implying that flashbangs actually work through walls?

[covert hamlet]

no wtf

neither works through walls, flashes have a higher chance of affecting suspects because it’s based on AOE not projectiles having to hit suspects

[marble flume]

I've yet to hear a single argument as to how you don't hit yourself with this.

Also, its irrelevant anyway because I'm actively throwing if I don't use the riot shield

[stark hill]

Wait even if you hit yourself, it wont matter as long as you hit the suspect

Cause then you can js switch and tell them to surrender

[marble flume]

Also, they suck ass because both Flash and Stinger have 10 meter range from the M320 lol

[stark hill]

then adapt

if you can flash or sting the guy then you basically win, even if you get hit by it

[marble flume]

That's why the Flash is objectively better because antiflash exists

[stark hill]

yeah but they both do the same thing in the end

[marble flume]

Also, I actually got royally screwed over on Elephant because I hit a suspect with a 40mm flash grenade, he was stunned by it, and STILL did not surrender afterwards

[stark hill]

then you should hit him again with it

OR (and hear me out) just shoot the guy

[marble flume]

Easy to say when its a single-shot launcher that takes more time to reload than it does for that guy to get unstunned and reopen fire

[stark hill]

then switch your gun and then switch him down

[marble flume]

I'm going for S ranks here, why else would I bother with a GL

[stark hill]

wait if youre going for s ranks then use the beanbag shotgun

[marble flume]

I genuinely can't tell if you trolling or not at this point

no shit I'm using the beanbag shotgun, the M320 doesn't even take up the same slot

[stark hill]

the beanbag shotgun and m320 is the literal best combo for S ranks, there shouldnt be any issues

On everything I could go S rank relapse on hard right now

[covert hamlet]

this

[marble flume]

If I was a reasonable person playing on Standard I'd likely agree, but I'm currently getting my ass handed to me even behind a riot shield

[covert hamlet]

flash launcher is stronger than beanbag just carry that instead

[stark hill]

alr gimme a minute imma go S rank relapse on hard

[marble flume]

I'd really rather not abuse the M32A1 if possible

[marble flume]

Well I'm gonna go to fuckin bed, so have fun I guess

[stark hill]

alr i gotchu in about an hour, gn

[light moss]

did they fix the crashing on console?

[vivid widget]

is it 24 + 9?
thought it was just 24

[lost inlet]

Yeah it is…

I forgot shotgun don’t comes with shell already loaded into them.

[vivid widget]

3 mags should be ok enough for ars, but shotguns i'm not sure
but i'm also not sure what to drop for another mag

[rich reef]

Shotguns I'd say at least 4 if there's more than like 7 suspects and you're not really good at hitting your shots

[waxen tartan]

"Shoots suspect point blank range with a shotgun twice walks away untouched"

[balmy patio]

honestly after seeing your feedback

you really need to start using the mirrorgun and taser gang, same for the launcher if you havent already

mirrorgun is the best utility in the game straight up, as long as you know your angles its like having ESP basically

this is essential if you want to prefire with free leans

watch legit any dude do hard ANA with the taser or through all those challenges they all use mirror taser and free lean abuse

abandon the shield because sadly you cant use taser with it

and if you are taking it just to check angles without instantly dying you might aswell let the mirrorgun do its job

just remember to wedge the area before mirroring if you feel like you are about to be pushed

[rich reef]

Shotguns are notoriously weak against armor irl and the game mirrors that if you didn't know

[waxen tartan]

Doesn't matter bro he still got should've got hit in the face or in the arm and I shot twice

[balmy patio]

this is right and wrong at the same time

they are weak to armor but they can just ignore the whole mechanics in the game thats why they are so meta

even just a single pellet hitting a limb has a good chance of dismemberment so they dont need to give a damn about armor or aim

[waxen tartan]

Most of my aim was on his left arm shoulder and face and I shot twice and no effect so you tell me

[umbral furnace]

I finally did it

All missions including dlc S rank in campaign with no officer deaths

[balmy patio]

u were tryna get dev watch? or no ironman

either way nice

[umbral furnace]

nah already got that

you don't need to do dlcs for that either

[rich reef]

I usually aim for center mass so shotguns aren't too good for me but they are really strong

[balmy patio]

yeah, even if you do land a center shot, shotguns are realistically the main gun that will actually usually stagger them on hard mode

[umbral furnace]

I'm going for the 100% now anyway, just have the "weird" achievements left like the specific loadout on a map

[balmy patio]

so even if it doesnt kill you can do a very quick follow up

[balmy patio]

ight gl with programmed psychosis

although realistically it is somewhat overblown how hard that one is since ANA is easier non lethal

[umbral furnace]

that one wasn't that hard compared to S ranking that stupid mission

[balmy patio]

yeah just mirror gun everything and abuse flash launcher and u are fine

[umbral furnace]

It's much less of a pain when you can just kill everyone

the problem I had with S rank was the guys in the courtroom kept standing up again before I could get my AI to restrain them

[balmy patio]

oh boy that would have been solved so easily by arrest teching

i find the hanged man to be way harder than programmed psychosis

[rich reef]

Shotguns have a tight spread so it could've been that

[balmy patio]

but since you can do it with other people it ends up being just a tiny bit easier, thats if you got a LFG for it

[umbral furnace]

tf is arrest teching

is this some weird game mechanic abuse I'm not aware of

[balmy patio]

arrest cancel the suspects, it will drop their guns and they will never pick them back up

[umbral furnace]

ah yeah I guess it is

[balmy patio]

they legit get disabled for the rest of the mission until you arrest them again

[umbral furnace]

how do you even cancel arrests?

[balmy patio]

u dont even need to pick up the guns they wont grab them

[umbral furnace]

I've tried to before but could never get it to cancel

[balmy patio]

you keep holding S to go backwards while you press the arrest prompt

that makes non lethal WAY easier since you wont waste resources resurrendering suspects back to back

[waxen tartan]

Buckshot isn't tight spread

[balmy patio]

it also means that you can quickly arrest cancel a suspect infront of you if you are being rushed down

[umbral furnace]

interesting, glad I didn't do that though, that's cheesy as fuck

[balmy patio]

yea but lowkey it is kinda needed for ANA no armor only taser TS

but thats just something purely optional for your own masochism

[umbral furnace]

I forgot I have to do that

also I just failed the gas on twisted nerve achievement because apparently you're not supposed to wear armour

[rich reef]

It is in my experience but you can test that out in the shooting range

[balmy patio]

dev watch is lowkey overrated since you can do it on standard

[umbral furnace]

also I somehow failed the no civilian deaths achievement on mirage despite S ranking it?? don't understand how that works lol

[balmy patio]

the broken cuffs is a rarer achievement right now so you can flex that

[umbral furnace]

tempted to do the rest of the achievements in vr

[balmy patio]

yeah fuck no thats way worse than any other achievement 😭

get shot by the MLO dudes and your screen gets split in half from their caliber

[umbral furnace]

idk I really like VR guns, if they're decently made

idk how the vr mod for RoN plays though

I played it for like 5 minutes but they don't have left handed mode yet

[vivid widget]

what is broken cuffs again

[idle perch]

I think it's the cosmetic reward for Targeted Manipulation achievement. Get to the end of ANA, complete all objectives and then decide to detonate the bomb yourself.

[waxen tartan]

I think I'm genuinely ether being targeted or trolled by the devs

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[mellow gyro]

You know, I think it’s a skill issue

[waxen tartan]

You know you could keep non sense comments to ur self

[mellow gyro]

WHOA, I was trying to be as light hearted as possible. Honestly the gas was like an inch or two from hitting the suspect just unfortunate

[waxen tartan]

Did you not see the civilian literally a meter away from the suspect coughing ? Do you wear glasses?

[karmic raven]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-to-relax-will-ferrell-gif-12549360

[waxen tartan]

Lol i sure can

[slim saddle]

[robust olive]

anyone know how to get the gun its stuck in the ground and it wont give me the prompt playing solo too 💔

Nvm i got it

[tulip garnet]

damn ron so realistic that national guard doesnt nowhere to be seen and there's no group of polices outside waiting for you

[sand hull]

bring back the ability to toggle safety!

it was the most useless feature but i’m a sucker for realism 😞

[bold sky]

meanwhile im hoping we start w auto on default

[craggy hazel]

so as a person who has family in law enforcement

can I just say this game really goes edgy with some things but does a decent job keeping things real

though I will say things like the therapy mechanic is getting frustrating with every other time do a mission an officer has to go to therapy like for the record being a SWAT officer is not for the mentally weak you are trained on the possibility you will have to shoot and kill somebody as they are for handling dangerous situations with armed suspects

[naive echo]

yea I would get the mechanic better if it like only affected your SWAT troops if they were hurt or they witnessed a civillain be killed but alas it is not

I get why its in place, what be with it trying to emphaize taking suspects alive since thats its theme its going for, but it does make gameplay annoying

[novel halo]

Do mods count towards the hermit achievement?

[frank cairn]

I want to start Ironman.

Since I never got "Way out West" achievement, even so I should, I dont trust all hidden mechanics.
Do I need a minimum ranking on all missions?
What about Elephant and dead Civs?
Because it just says "Beat game with no officer death".
So I wonder what all is behind the scenes.

[wind gyro]

mods dont impact anything

[novel halo]

Got it, thanks

Actually hold on, what about the difficulty?

[novel halo]

Let me correct you here, if you want the achievement itself and not just the watch - you can't have anyone resign. You can just go in shooting everybody but then you can fail the mission or risk your officers' sanity, which will force them to resign after

You can just beat the game without anyone leaving your team I guess

[wind gyro]

"Complete Ready or Not in ‘Ironman mode’ without losing a single officer on 'Standard' difficulty or higher"

[frank cairn]

So for the Watch I just need to finish games, for Achievements I need more?

[wind gyro]

no the other way around

The Hermit=No KIA’s or Incaps(Standard or higher)
If the above criteria has been fulfilled but player still has not unlocked The Hermit then they need to redo Port Hokan and get at least a C grade minimum and it should pop then.
Watch⌚️=No KIA’s or Resigns
(Watch like all other cosmetics can also be obtained on Casual difficulty)

[novel halo]

Right

[frank cairn]

Yeah as said. I mostly worried about some hidden mechanics or bugs or Missions rankings.
Since the game betrayed me so often 😄

[novel halo]

The watch works kinda strange considering that some people had some officers resign but still got the watch but not the achievement

[hallow flower]

which is harder?
iron man mode standard level in all standard map no death
or
ANA hard solo

[narrow geode]

Playing with randoms

[hallow flower]

its gacha, 1 / 10, you got a very good player one of team member
1 / 100, you got very good coordinated of team

[hybrid swan]

Game is so ahh rn on PlayStation 💔 constant freezing/crashing + audio tag teaming me

2 full game freezes in a row while trying to load into missions, only to get into them and experience an audio bug, and then at the end the game crashes, wonderful experience

[lilac mural]

Will be interesting to see how quickly Void can provide a patch for this because i would categorize it as ”game breaking” issue.

[hybrid swan]

Clearly in no rush

[lilac mural]

Yeah well tomorrow its been two weeks 😂

[marble flume]

Its pretty tight, even on larger maps you only need a choke for crossmap shots

[marble flume]

So I've attempted to use the Mirrorgun, and I honestly feel like its useless, because sure, it can tell me that there's a guy in this room at roughly this area, but it doesn't actually help me in said engagement at all

The Mirrorgun does make a bit more sense if you're combining it with your SWAT AI to make some more intentional plays, which is probably its best use case

[late prism]

The mirrorgun definitely is super useful but it’s not for engagements obviously. Knowing exactly the room layout, how many enemies, precisely where those enemies are, if there’s traps and all of that jazz is extremely handy.

However idk what ai call-outs with it are like because I’ve never given them one.

So with real people, very good. With ai, idk.

[marble flume]

The thing about Relapse is that the suspects are already stressed, and combining that with Hard difficulty means they light my ass up with perfect accuracy the nanosecond I peek the door anyway, even if I know exactly where they are in the room I still can't get the first shot

[late prism]

Solution, AP round + door equal funy.

Not a 100% use every scenario but either have a second guy ready or just wall bang them.

[marble flume]

Honestly, now I think it was a miracle I even managed to S Neon Tomb on Hard

If you're wondering why I'm going for S ranks on Hard, its because I have a mental illness

[late prism]

I haven’t even attempted to s rank neon tomb or even do it on hard so yeah I’ll give you that.

[late prism]

Valid.

[marble flume]

S ranking Neon on Standard probably isn't that hard, but Relapse? This is actually harder than Greased Palms at this point, I'm not even jokin

[late prism]

Jeez. I probably could do it with my mates relatively simply just never got around to trying.

[marble flume]

Greased Palms S took me like a week of occasional attempts to complete, but I don't even see the light at the end of this tunnel outside of telling my AI SWATs to do everything

The saving graces of Greased Palms is that even though the map layout is a nightmare, suspects still don't start stressed and generally use pretty garbage weapons

Relapse, outside of the occasional doctor with a glock, usually consists of some random "vigilante" woman with a goddamn RPK that fires at 1000 RPM and blows my nuts off

[balmy patio]

this is why mirrorgun is so broken

you know exactly where everything is meaning that you can get some pixel perfect free leans to get a drop on suspects first in hard mode

where their AI reaction time is inhuman and will damage you on prefire either way

[marble flume]

is hard difficulty just free leaning around every corner

[balmy patio]

this is how people do no armor runs and dont get touched to begin with

[balmy patio]

i mean to an extent yes, you dont have to do it but because the AI minimum reaction time can go as low as 50ms it means that even on a prefire they will get a bullet on you

but even without it you can still use flashes and other tools perfectly if you know where everything is with the mirrorgun

[marble flume]

so yes, it is. awesome.

I'd rather just let my SWAT bois do most of the work than freelean every corner for 20 minutes

[cedar mulch]

The Black Sentinel is not as powerful as The Hand

[solemn patio]

Why do i flinch so much using shield dude its unfair as fuck

[solemn patio]

50 milliseconds??

[jolly verge]

It's the time required them to aiming at you before they can shoot, there also a stimulus reaction time. It's not just flat 50ms

[bright belfry]

50ms double headtap

[nimble ravine]

but when you s rank in hardmode it’s so satisfying

It’s like a drug

I love seeing the mission thingy at the end fill then BOOM seeing that S? Oh sweet baby Jesus

[opal forum]

A part from the DLCs expansion, are they patching the game with new content/changes often?

[sleek rune]

fr fr

[cedar mulch]

Which factions do you think cause you the most stress? Name your top three.

[solemn patio]

The bastards on narcos, black senti mercs, mlo on ana and a bonus mention the mindjot security guards when im tryna s rank

[civic cliff]

Is that a jojo reference

[zinc lantern]

Ehhhh, depends on your definition of “often.” We have had bug fixes on May 5th and March 20th; those have been the only updates since the large update/DLC release that we got on March 12th. The last update/bug fix before that was back in September

[solemn patio]

We need the option to overgas our guns to hell

Like give a few adjustable gas blocks

[zinc lantern]

I think there’s a lot of better customization improvements that we could get instead of overgassing guns for no reason lol

[robust nacelle]

What is your go to gun for neraly every mission?

[zinc lantern]

ARN-180

[rich reef]

It just feels great to complete a mission on hard mode with a good score

[solemn patio]

I wanna literally eat gas every time i fire more than 5 rounds

Me aftr getting ambushed by ai that somehow knew i was there through the door and knew exactly what section of the room i was in

[opal forum]

Ok, thank you!

[solemn patio]

Im gonna skin the devs

[balmy patio]

yea

you will basically be instantly shot the moment a bone peeks up and they have their gun facing your way, this can be mitigating if you ambush them from behind or the sides

but then again unless you like CBT just dont play hard mode

[civic cliff]

We need more types of ammo magazine

[solemn patio]

How do I deal with MLO

[balmy patio]

only ONE achievement needs hard mode

[solemn patio]

Whst pistol do i use (i cant use the mark five cause void is lame)

G18?

[balmy patio]

realistically just use the most busted one

if you want the most lethal loadout for ANA or just in general, run a semi auto shotgun (B1301 or M1014, IMO i believe the m1014 is better but the B1301 is way easier to manage) and MKV

until they make sidearms give 2 mags per slot theres just no reason to use the 9mm or anything other than MKV magnum or 5/7 when it comes to actual effectiveness

[solemn patio]

Dude I literally just fuxking said i cant use the mark five

[balmy patio]

then 5/7 or magnum

[solemn patio]

Okayyyyy

[balmy patio]

5/7 is easier to use so go for that

since yknow its not a revolver

but snubnose magnum lets you peak all doors with how small it is so thats the bonus of it

[solemn patio]

Revolver feels fun when it acts right

[balmy patio]

magnum is better in some maps or i would dare say almost all of them since even if you dont aim right just landing a chest shot will most likely stagger them or if they are unarmored or L1 just drop them incap

but MLO dudes have L4 armor so yeah thats not gonna do much unless you hit a limb

but even then ANA has those dudes that dont have armor too but i would rather go with the 5/7

[solemn patio]

Jhp then considering ap would be useless?

[jolly verge]

Snub nose does not change revolver length

[solemn patio]

It reduces drag

[jolly verge]

Half of suspects on ANA are BSG with level 3a armor at max, so use 5.7x28 with AP ammo

[jolly verge]

Deadzone, drag is the same

[balmy patio]

are you sure? i remember the spreadsheet mentioning a 70% length reduction ontop of -80% deadzone

[solemn patio]

Im the one out here who mostly rocks a mk18 with a carry handle and 14.5 barrel for the m4 feel

[hybrid wren]

Shoot them

Heavy caliber

[balmy patio]

either way just bring a shotty and a 5/7 with AP and taser and you should be fine

[hybrid wren]

No supperssor

[pseudo hull]

why are the nvgs so dark

[balmy patio]

you can mirror everything and use the taser and 5/7 for door pushes

[pseudo hull]

i put them on and it got darker

[hybrid wren]

Idk

[solemn patio]

My AI swat instantly died.

[pseudo hull]

do supressors do something

[jolly verge]

[solemn patio]

Not enough

[hybrid wren]

Probably reduce enemy alert range

[tacit gull]

LMAO WHAT

[tacit gull]

no

[hybrid wren]

Also they look cool

[balmy patio]

the hell did they do this for 😭

[solemn patio]

What if mp5 10mm

[balmy patio]

stress

[jolly verge]

They add two different values for both guns and attachments, completly broke some of them like supernova with any barrel attachment

[pseudo hull]

just died and never saw the suspect Im doomed...

[tacit gull]

what are we DOING BRUH

[solemn patio]

Classic void breaks their game every big update

[tacit gull]

you can now change your loadout mid mission so we balanced it out by making attachments not work

enjoy

[solemn patio]

They need to add the ability to resupply at the entry point on all missions

Itd make it very very cool dude

[wide verge]

not necessary and I wouldnt like to backtrack to resupply

[solemn patio]

Cool I guess, I would

[wide verge]

4 primary mags, 1 secondary leaves a lot of room for flashes or whatever you need

[pseudo hull]

i mean theres no other way to resupply other than ana

or taking your teammates wedges

[solemn patio]

Stop being practical here dude im having fun throwing half intended suggestions out

[wide verge]

I aint running all the way to the start on relapse for example

[lost inlet]

Five-Seven.

[wide verge]

lol fair enough

[lost inlet]

only pistol that can pen lvl3. USP is pretty good if suspect wears no armor or have lvl2.

[tacit gull]

encouraging backtracking at all through theese massive fuckoff levels is a terrible idea

another reason why commander is an abomination

[pseudo hull]

smoke grenades save me

i dont wanna sacrifice my face

[desert tartan]

Hey I don't know if anyone else does this but when running through the game sometimes me and my friend Try to get the absolute lowest score possible While running through and trying to create the dumbest loadouts Does anyone else run through shooting civilians or is it just me

[wide verge]

not me

[desert tartan]

I recommend trying it out it's pretty fun

[pseudo hull]

i do this on dorms sometimes

[wide verge]

the lowest score possible is basically doing so much that your own team kills you

[desert tartan]

You mean elephant The mission that takes place in a college

[wide verge]

ok fair enough, I use dorms as a cqb training mission

[pseudo hull]

the dlc level dorms

[wide verge]

dorms is great, somewhat symmetrical, hallways, multiple locked doors to breach

[desert tartan]

Well The way me and my friend do it is we agree not to kill each other until literally everyone else is dead Then it's kind of a quick draw thing

[desert tartan]

Oh I was thinking of something different

[desert tartan]

Oh yeah because of this play style me and my friend made a cool discovery. The children in Twisted Nerve are literally invincible You cannot kill them as a matter of fact on console The game won't let you point your gun at the children

[pseudo hull]

god i hate carriers of the vine

blinding outdoors and the place is massive

[wide verge]

easy

[solemn patio]

I know right

[wide verge]

wedges along the right clear path and carriers is easy

[solemn patio]

I was stuck on it at one point, kept being fucked through the grass

[pseudo hull]

i dont know what to do when i get to the big open part or the secondary house

[rich reef]

They keep suspects calm so they're stress levels won't get really high really fast

[wide verge]

somehow a suspect tanked 7-8 pistol rounds to the chest tho on carriers the other day

[pseudo hull]

move and cleared the secondary house and my entire team died to one of them

all while judge has photophobia

[nimble ravine]

like S rank and only s rank

[wide verge]

I clear outside first, go to the church/smaller building, leave central outdoor space for last

[rich reef]

The main suspect might use body armor but I'm not sure

[wide verge]

it was a regular suspect, I used AP rounds with the glock 19

[rich reef]

I barely play hard so it's an achievement for me

[wide verge]

on most missions s rank is stupid. hard is stupid in general

[lost inlet]

they have lvl3 plates btw.

AP 9mm is useless against that.

[wide verge]

yeah you'd think they don't but one of the missions where armor isnt really visible

[pseudo hull]

i just need to do everything for im too old for this

[lost inlet]

[pseudo hull]

theres no way im s ranking hard mode that would be such a nightmare

[rich reef]

AP is a lot weaker against non-armored targets and 9mm is already weak

[lost inlet]

classic bulletproof dress.

[wide verge]

it was a solo pistol only run, Im aware its not ideal for that mission lol

Narcos with 9mm jhp only is tough

[bold sky]

just headshot

[wide verge]

yeah every time, no problem

[rich reef]

I'm assuming their wearing really slim and thin body armor under their dresses but I don't think thats really a thing

[lost inlet]

five seven and MK-V with AP can go through their armor.

[wide verge]

I don't like to min max in this game

[lost inlet]

that's not how body armor works...

[wide verge]

I use what I like or for roleplay nerd larping purposes

[wide verge]

it's not

[lost inlet]

well, have fun dumping 10 rounds of 9mm into one suspect then.

[pseudo hull]

doomed to not like any of the battle rifles...

[jolly verge]

Their dress just made of aramid and UHMWPE

[wide verge]

I like the scar h and rtwc

[rich reef]

Yeah thats why I said I don't think its a thing. Weirdly I've seen them wear like actual visible body armor before in a video but I forgot what video it was

[pseudo hull]

do the brakes actually reduce recoil

[rich reef]

Yeah

[lost inlet]

some of them do.

[lost inlet]

a lot.

farm has a mix of armor pool with majority of them wears lvl3.

[nimble ravine]

Oh well, when you get more s ranks you’ll understand

[rich reef]

Never seen that in game before and most in my experience have no armor cause JHP takes them down pretty easily

[rich reef]

Perchance

[tacit gull]

likely a mod or early access

[jolly verge]

Civilians on Carriers were wearing visible level 2 armor before

[rich reef]

That's what I assumed. I hope someone makes a mod that shows suspects with high level body armor visible armor cause too many suspects don't have them visible

[tacit gull]

people already did

atleast astral's old ai mod had custom made armors for most levels aswell as visible equipment such as gas masks or flash goggles on suspects

[marble flume]

it doesn't?

FUCK

Like the revolver needed to be any more shit

[jolly verge]

[left willow]

guys did i miss an update because why cant i report the container on hide and seek

[marble flume]

is there also a reason why the Supernova shotgun is like ten feet long

[jolly verge]

They set both LowReadyOffset and PushbackOffset at 70 value for this shotgun specificly, idk why , but if you set them at 0 it will start sticking through the walls like PC19 and S2011

[marble flume]

rofl

[jolly verge]

If you don't set any barrel attachment it's working just fine

[marble flume]

wait, its tied to a barrel attachment?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[marble flume]

what the fuck even is this game lmao

we're on some scp-level shit at this point

[jolly verge]

Both LowReadyOffset and PushbackOffset kick in if you set any barrel attachment on supernova

[jolly verge]

Any other shotgun do not affected by them at all

[marble flume]

lmao

[jolly verge]

Some rifles too, like ARN-180, MK1 and SR-16 have the same length without and with Socom suppressor as example

But will change the length on any other rifle

[tacit gull]

dude i swear they got an ai to go through the weapon values too

there's no way

[alpine stump]

I swear I have been trying to solo new america since it came out

I wouldn't say I suck but it has me feeling like lowkey a b*tch

[dull lintel]

My RoN pillow came in

[nimble ravine]

BOOM

[hybrid belfry]

RoN becoming boring add more dlcs

[zinc lantern]

lol

[marble flume]

I'm starting to think this might be possible if I just abuse flashlights hard enough

[nimble ravine]

YOU OBVIOUSLY aren’t creative

[burnt gazelle]

If I am not gonna get greased palms today after the 6th time trying, I am gonna kms

[marble flume]

THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE

(by "they' I mean "me" lmao)

Relapse, Hard Difficulty, S-Rank, without using the M32A1 Flash Launcher

What's my pro gamer advice for anyone stupid enough to try this?

literally just have a flashlight on the bean gun and leave it on constantly, it just breaks the ai completely

[clever cape]

Guys how to use Breaching gun so it can make a hole in the middle of the door

Not the entire door, only a hole at the middle

[lost inlet]

shoot the handle.

[marble flume]

He means just the middle, which entails just shooting at the middle of the door.

That only works on wood doors though, metal doors don't do that lol

[lost inlet]

if that was the case then i don't know why they even bother asking it here.

[hybrid belfry]

why is breaching shootgun in works on metal doors

isnt its whole thing that it blows off lock of the door

[marble flume]

I mean, you're talking about the game that used to let you unlock a door by kicking it

[hybrid belfry]

you kick down door so thats alr

[marble flume]

No like, I'm not kidding lmao.

I think its been fixed now, but if you found a door that was locked, you could kick it once or twice and literally unlock the door, then just open the door normally lol

[hybrid belfry]

I mean it would technically work

[marble flume]

I'm not referring to just breaching the door open with a kick, you could actually use it like a lockpick

[clever cape]

I dont see any problem when asking here

Its ron discussion

[marble flume]

there's no problem, but I do think the answer should've been sort of obvious

[hybrid belfry]

also would you like rate my patrol officer kit?

[marble flume]

perhaps? I don't really care about the cosmetics too much lol

[hybrid belfry]

its in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[clever cape]

But I said the middle of the door

Not the entire door u see

[frank cairn]

Whats the default key for the M320 Launcher sights?
Game decided to use Long Range Sights and I dont find the key for reverse it

[hybrid belfry]

Dont use m320 its fucking ass

[clever cape]

Can I edit this launcher

[hybrid belfry]

no you dont

[clever cape]

Like, add laser pointer

[hybrid belfry]

I said you dont

[clever cape]

Even the Breaching gun?

[frank cairn]

My question wasnt "Should I use it"

[hybrid belfry]

You cant edit any gear except Primary and Secondary

[clever cape]

U had to say you cant lol

Jk

[unkempt granite]

what are some good custom maps? I alr beated the main game on s rank hardmode and idk what else to do

[tacit gull]

literally the best long tac but alright

[hybrid belfry]

Any grenade does its job and does it better

[tacit gull]

none of the grenades detonate on contact

[hybrid belfry]

also this fuckass animation

[marble flume]

you also don't need to reload a grenade, and you also don't need LOS to use a grenade

[hybrid belfry]

True, I got M320 achievement with fucking SAM cuz I'm not doing ts

[marble flume]

I mean, I don't hate it, but its not what I need and I'd rather have the riot shield

[hybrid belfry]

From WHAT will it protect

I would rather get stab armor that makes u immune to stabs

[marble flume]

useful to have even on your back honestly, so you can at least spin around and not take damage

[marble flume]

so who's gonna tell him

The joke is that it doesn't do that lol, literally offers no protection at all

[hybrid belfry]

Yeah and it should

[marble flume]

I mean, look, a lotta things "should" be in this game, but we gotta be honest here

[burnt valve]

Hey guys, can you tell me why my "more slots" mod isn't working in other players' lobbies? Everything's fine in my lobby, but when I'm in another player's lobby, my slots are always the same. Even if I select 0, I still have ammo, wedges, and so on.

[warm talon]

Idk. #🔧modding-chat might be able to help you. I wish I could help but I'm on console

[ember topaz]

hey, i js recently got into this game after a break, tryna S rank neon tomb, any tips?

[waxen tartan]

Watch out for the bomber 😂

[ember topaz]

i always get the bomber but the lightning makes it IMPOSSIBLE to see the shooters bro

[ocean steeple]

I just saw the weirdest shit imagineable

so i got all the suspects on ANA right and this one dude it looked like he had no weapon bc he dropped no evidence

so as i’m running around looking for all the civvies I ended up back in the spawn room and it turns out his knife clipped through both the second and first floors and ended up in the spawn room

[solemn patio]

It will protect against flanks

[marble flume]

the best armor type in the game is the riot shield, you can't convince me otherwise lol

[solemn patio]

I feel like suspects especially MLO just completely bypass it now

The ones with the fal especially piss me the fuck off

[thick dome]

3 letter triad on hard is beyond frustrating

[solemn patio]

I feel like judge flinches too much to make it practical sometimes

[solemn patio]

Use full auto

Wait do suspects react to suppressive fire off topic

[thick dome]

heck no

[solemn patio]

Why

[thick dome]

suspects on hard mode are literal terminators.

[solemn patio]

You probably are bringin enough mags for ammo to not be an issue

[solemn patio]

Ohhh yeah right

[ocean steeple]

i found yet another S rank breaking glitch as well.

You can secure all the civilians and the game will refuse to mark it as such

[solemn patio]

I might just use shield to reinforce peeks when pushing the door because they love to fire through the door