👮ron-discussion

[solemn patio]

I need to get a multiplayer squad together lowkey

[crisp garden]

real

[karmic sleet]

Why can you not unlock doors from the inside

[fallow kraken]

Real

[solemn patio]

I wish i could change the quad rail handguard to a colt handguard

[crisp garden]

my problem is i dont have friends! ✌️ 😋

[solemn patio]

Wanna be friends 🤤

[crisp garden]

are you U.S.?

[solemn patio]

Yes

[crisp garden]

sure!

[solemn patio]

I have all dlcs

[crisp garden]

me too!

[solemn patio]

Woot woot

[solemn patio]

Gimme epic id?

Or wtv idk i havent done ts before

[crisp garden]

im playstation

[solemn patio]

Im PlayStation too :)

You have epic linked orr??

[crisp garden]

idk

[solemn patio]

I think ya gotta link it to add people

[white musk]

is CS gas actually good yet

[jolly verge]

No

[white musk]

these devs are great i love them

[jolly verge]

Range is good now but stun damage is 85% lower compare to pre LSS update, it's bad even with a new thing that forces suspects to be in gas for at least 1 second before they can flee

[white musk]

so whats the point of it actually being in the game atm

[jolly verge]

It still useful as a smoke

[solemn patio]

RON crashed real

[near topaz]

How difflicult is a new america solo for you guys

[solemn patio]

Why are public players so… weird

Every time I get kinda sped ones for no reason

[karmic sleet]

They're playing in public lobbies for a reason

[solemn patio]

Im doing ana with one other person wish me good lick

[karmic sleet]

Good lick

[nimble ravine]

I dunno, I s ranked both levels so I don’t care anymore lmao

I’m passed the annoyance and pain, since I did both on hard anyhow

The next time I’ll have to deal with that crap is when I do an Ironman run and that isn’t till I s ranked every level

Which I’m going through every level for the first time and only moving on till I s rank it and I only play on hardmode lmao

[sudden thorn]

call of duty virus

[strange depot]

Fuck!!!!!

I hear something!!

Come on!! Make some noise!!

“The new America experience”

[chilly thorn]

skill issue

• A true Gasmaxxer

[chilly thorn]

If you don't want the spreadsheet goober answer they are good but cannot be used like a regular grenade, They are incredibly good for holding people down.

[sudden thorn]

CS gas is fun to use

[chilly thorn]

Very and it also sounds funny

"*AghGhghfmm GOd! What the fuck AHghhgmgm!"

[jolly verge]

Toxic gas grenade is more fun to use (Thanks devs to add it so i can use it on vanilla lobbies for other players to suffer )

[chilly thorn]

The dialouge isn't as funny tho since it just sounds like someone actually struggling to breath

[jolly verge]

[chilly thorn]

This is probably gonna be used in PvP

which I bet will be added after the last two dlcs

[jolly verge]

PvP is a myth

SDK too

[chilly thorn]

PvP is unneeded so I see why its low priority

infact it'll probably die soon after release

Would be neat to see gun animations for civillian weaponry tho like we better be able to use the calico

[rich reef]

After a long and thorough analysis, I have come to the conclusion that this is pretty funny.

[sudden thorn]

I like bringing gas grenades in public lobbies because usually nobody else does so everyone is subjected to red screens as they don’t bring gas masks

[rich reef]

I think pvp should probably be a separate game since not everyone wants it

[fallow kraken]

So you like inconveniencing your teammates ☠️

[chilly thorn]

I think its 50/50 whether pvp will even come out

[rich reef]

It really is

[chilly thorn]

Ready or not 2 is not fucking happening voids next game is probably gonna be something completely different

[fallow kraken]

Hope they come out with some new dlcs

[chilly thorn]

Theres gonna be two more dlcs I believe

then they might move on to the next game, Which I believe may take place in the same universe but wont be a tactical shooter

[rich reef]

I think one should just be like normal swat situations

[sudden thorn]

Yeah because they’re stupid half the time

[rich reef]

Like one or two suspects

[solemn patio]

Imagine a firefighter game by void

[sudden thorn]

Rushing through doors as if they’re playing call of duty like im not helping you when you get shot in the face

I like to shoot them myself at times too

[fallow kraken]

Lowkey your not wrong

[fallow kraken]

Agreed

[chilly thorn]

Home invasion was really good

[sudden thorn]

One time on a lethal obsession I was disarming a trap at the front door and this billy badass behind me runs up and rushes through the door, luckily it was a flash grenade trap so I then went full auto on him

[karmic sleet]

Narcos was good

[chilly thorn]

Narcos is still one of the most well executed maps in the game

[karmic sleet]

Other two are give or take

[chilly thorn]

Dorms is amazing as a horror level

wish more maps had that vibe, Lawmaker is simple and does its job

[rich reef]

I keep getting clipped on Narcos

It's a fun mission tho

[fallow kraken]

Not a crazy response to his stupidity did he not see you disarming or what ☠️

[grand escarp]

do i really gotta redownload all my mods for this new patch?

[sudden thorn]

He did and I said in the in game voice chat to hold twice

[rich reef]

Don't think so

[chilly thorn]

The Suspects with heavy armor and heavy guns are the second strongest suspects in the game. I think like the only ones that beat them is the MLO since they are like Cartel hitmen

Theres only two of them on Narcos tho

[fallow kraken]

Some morons gotta learn the hard way

[chilly thorn]

nah

[rich reef]

Ahh so that's probably why

I actually kinda of like that

[grand escarp]

anyone noticed mods broken with the patch?

[fallow kraken]

What’s the hardest mission in yalls opinion

[sudden thorn]

Subject them to programmed psychosis s rank and every time they fail shoot them in their head

[chilly thorn]

A new america but this game isn't really that difficult

[rich reef]

A New America

[fallow kraken]

😂

[sudden thorn]

three letter triad or a new america, base game its probably hide and seek

[chilly thorn]

A new america will always be P90 fodder since that thing is the bane of armored suspects

[fallow kraken]

I lowkey A ranked that first try

[chilly thorn]

Hide and seek suspects dont even have armor-

[rich reef]

It's pretty easy besides the warehouse area

[chilly thorn]

Hide and seek is good because the map is pretty as hell

I'll give the questionable layout a pass because its clearly artistic first

[rich reef]

It's also unique in that there's a special voice line

It's a pretty well designed map imo

[fallow kraken]

What’s your favorite mission?

[sudden thorn]

Yeah but I died on it once so it’s hard

[chilly thorn]

Stolen Valor or Methhouse

[karmic sleet]

You know ball

[chilly thorn]

I might be partial to stolen valro to the music but it feels fun everytime I pla yit

[karmic sleet]

I wish they would make a dlc dedicated entirely to 213 park

Unparalleled setting

[chilly thorn]

More dingey and grimey locations

I've wanted a abandoned hospital forever

I love the creepy

[solemn patio]

My favorite mission is Neon tomb because I like getting distracted by the women and being shot

[grand escarp]

[jagged quartz]

....by the alive women right?

[solemn patio]

Yes??

[jagged quartz]

Just double checking bro

[balmy patio]

bring stingers

[rich reef]

King is enough for me, though Neon Tomb is fun to play

Has anyone noticed how different the Black Sentinel on AGB are compared to the ones on TLT and ANA?

They act almost completely differently

Their pretty unprofessional in the way they talk and how easy they are to deal with too

[nimble ravine]

So i recommend,

Rooster (FDT) but the first option you can choose.

WYLIXX X CAG

MechaFlex Impact Gloves

Double check the black version of the Indoor Research Ironsight Gloves. Cause for some reason my game was bugging out and I couldn’t see them

now I can sleep with a clear conscience lmao

[fallow kraken]

Lock in bud

[nimble ravine]

Also the Salmon 4D Gtx looks really good with the outfit same with the Classic LSPD Boots

[quasi coral]

I wish the Mechanix M-pact gloves had different coloration variants

We can be multicam together ❤️‍🩹

[waxen tartan]

Well apparently pistols are better than battle rifles now

[marble flume]

Thats only true for the MK V, basically

[lost inlet]

[waxen tartan]

Well i was playing thank you come again with no armor and shot this guy at least 3 times before he even shot me but i died

[lost inlet]

Stop missing i guess.

[marble flume]

What weapon were you using?

[waxen tartan]

The SA-58OSW

[marble flume]

Also yeah, with no armor on expect to die in three shots

Also I do think the suspects on TYCA can tank one 7.62x51mm JHP shot for some reason

[rich reef]

Were you using AP bullets?

[lost inlet]

Only on hard.

[lost inlet]

They said they were using JHP.

[waxen tartan]

Yes

[rich reef]

Oh okay

[marble flume]

Actually, suspects on TYCA have exactly 180 HP, so a JHP to the chest should be a one-tap. AP is a two-shot with shitty stagger chances

[lost inlet]

Wow okay, I can’t read.

[lost inlet]

Only on hard.

[marble flume]

No, that's literally just the base game, Hard suspects on TYCA have 210 HP

[lost inlet]

I know…

[rich reef]

AP is weaker against unarmored suspects

[marble flume]

AP is sort of just shit in general, honestly

[rich reef]

And it does almost no damage on limps

[rich reef]

Not really for me at least

[woeful dove]

Ok question, idk if devs removed it but look, in this gif it shows the ballistic face mask on paperdoll

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-gif-3117327065337622923

[marble flume]

There's basically zero reason to run AP because shots to armored torso have an 85% chance or higher to stagger the target per shot, and you're less effective against limbs or targets with armor that's bypass-able with JHP still

[crude prism]

Back before helmets could have multiple attachments, now ballistic mask just doesn't show up as a result of the combination system

[woeful dove]

9mm fmj is buns

[rich reef]

I meant like against armored suspects AP is useful

[woeful dove]

I want devs to fix it so bad, it pisses me off

[marble flume]

Honestly, beats 9mm AP lmao.

Only pens level 2 armor, and God help you if you're using AP rounds against L3 or higher

[crude prism]

There's so much shit broken with the paperdoll and has been for years, genuine trolling

[woeful dove]

Fucking devs better fix this

[marble flume]

Also the taser sound bug is still in the fucking game and that's honestly crazy

[woeful dove]

Full release my ass, thank god I have pc to mod shit instead of being a console

[lost inlet]

Best they can do is making nvg blackened out your screen when pulling them down.

Remember their motto: “1 step forward, 3 steps back.”

[marble flume]

I still hold the firm opinion that NVGs are basically useless on every map except Neon Tomb

[rich reef]

what about Twisted Nerve and Dorms?

[lost inlet]

Twisted nerves has some area where nvg is needed.

[rich reef]

I cant see shit without nvgs on those maps

[marble flume]

I mean, a flashlight lets you see better AND gives away enemy locations, which is a ton better than what NVGs can do.

As for Dorms, no idea, haven't played that map

[crude prism]

Since flashlight actually has a tangible downside now, honestly NVG is probably the "best" it's ever been lul

[marble flume]

what downside?

[woeful dove]

Nvgs shouldn't work like splinter cell in ron

Npcs should still be able to see you. Also suspects should use flashlights

[crude prism]

AI will activate off of your lights if you shine them preemptively around corners and such

(it was supposed to be like this for years, but just DIDN'T work)

[rich reef]

It alerts suspects and makes them move

[waxen tartan]

I thought they wear armor on the first 1

[marble flume]

I missed the part where that's a downside. In fact, that's actually insanely helpful in 99% of cases lmao

[woeful dove]

Kevlar should be useful

[rich reef]

Not untill The Spider I think

And only some of them do

[crude prism]

Oh don't worry we already wrote a thought out rebalance for this but nah Kevlar is for larping only sorry

[marble flume]

I think everyone wears level 2 on Spider except the main man himself

[crude prism]

Exists exclusively for "patrol officer" larp

[rich reef]

No I'm pretty sure only the guys with ear pieces do

[woeful dove]

They should make customization have actual affect to character

[rich reef]

Their Bolton Security

[marble flume]

Basically, the only time this is actually an issue is if you're trying to be stealthy, and God help you if you're trying to be stealthy, but there ARE some pretty shit locations on some maps you generally don't want to draw attention towards where keeping the lights off seems like a good idea

[rich reef]

The others are just thugs

[lost inlet]

You’d be correct.

[rich reef]

I think it can increase stress on suspects and cause them to be more aggressive

[crude prism]

The less you preemptively activate suspects the less you will get shot.

If you value the audio callouts they make more than the slower reaction time, that's a fair trade if you want

[rich reef]

Really? I have to test that out

[marble flume]

Flashlights seem to cause suspects to reposition when they see it, which in my opinion is a massive W over them just holding an angle silently and gunning my poor dumbass down the nanosecond they see me

[rich reef]

I've tried to make them reposition by doing that but it hasnt worked for me

[marble flume]

Suspects already have like three extra senses of knowing where the hell you are at all times, so more often than not they already know your exact location while you have no idea where they are

[rich reef]

I rarely use flashlights tho since they hurt my eyes

[woeful dove]

I like how bolton security likes when the spider guy gets shot lmao

I heard them say something about "get fucked"

[marble flume]

Having a flashlight active makes like 98% of suspects react vocally and usually going for a flank, which always works in your favor as long as you know they're going for the flank

[rich reef]

True but it can cause them to hesitate if you get the jump on them

[woeful dove]

Do they shoot u faster with light on or off?

I feel like the flashlight being kept on makes them wanna surrender

[rich reef]

No dont think so

[marble flume]

Suspects get suspicious from flashlights, but I don't think it has any effect on stress or morale on its own

Basically, I'm saying that having a flashlight active is basically always a good idea unless you're currently in what could loosely be described as "an absolute shitshow of a defensive position"

[woeful dove]

I point the lights at their eyes lmao

In hopes of it working, also does suppressors work the way i think they do?

They hear the shot but can't figure out where from?

Or is it some hollywood shit

[waxen tartan]

I think it's just supposed to hide the muzzle flash so they can't see where you're shooting from

[marble flume]

suppressors reduce stress from gunshots, they have zero effect on the actual audible range of gunshots

[woeful dove]

Oh... So fuck it then?

I wanna stress the fuck out of the suspects. BE SCARED.

[rich reef]

It keeps suspects calm so they dont become aggressive

[marble flume]

Well, that's not really what stress actually does.

Suspects under high "stress" effectively lock in and become Delta Force operatives

[woeful dove]

Oh fuck... Nevermind 😨

I mean it's kinda realistic though, everyone becomes a main character at some point

"I GOT THIS"

[marble flume]

In other words, if anything, stress works in the exact opposite manner than in real life, where suspects start stressed but start giving less and less of a fuck the more shit happens

[woeful dove]

I'd be so mad if the fucking streamer one tapped me though fuck

[woeful dove]

Thats what I thought happened, id imagine high stress in game = more chatty, faster reaction times, lower accuracy, longer burst times/suppression, faster fire rate on single actions, more moving from cover out

[marble flume]

Oh, there's no such thing as "lower accuracy" unless you're currently pepper spraying a suspect or they're taking a hostage. Otherwise, they're always JUST as accurate regardless of what they're doing lmao

[crude prism]

Balanse

[lost inlet]

Can’t melee when they’re too close but their gun can phases through your shield and kills you btw.

Anti-player = good hard game design.

[rich reef]

Yeah your right. All the suspect (maybe besides one dude that isnt Brixley) wears armor.

[waxen tartan]

The fact that flash bang does nothing if the flash bang is not in their line of site is a little unrealistic to me

[rich reef]

I think it does stun them if their close to it but not looking

[jolly verge]

(no)

[lost inlet]

Ultra realistic game
look inside
COD has more realistic flashbang

[waxen tartan]

Well i threw 2 at micheal and his buddy it did nothing

[rich reef]

Okay I know nothing about this game

[rich reef]

Try throwing it on the ground to make it slide in front of them

Its worked well for me

[lost inlet]

No one really does.

[solemn patio]

IM SORRY BOSS I CANT

[fallow kraken]

you can do it god dammit soldier

We ALL saw that 😂

[solemn patio]

I got censored

Im not gonna dwell on that anyway

The hand are really fun to fight, provided i dont get surprised by them shoving a door in my face and shooting me with an AK

[rich reef]

Im playing The Spider and the screaming from the suspects when I shoot them is annoying me

[fallow kraken]

Lowkey seen some civi’s get absolutely slimed bc they came running through a door or up some stairs on a guy

[solemn patio]

And they deserve it

[solemn patio]

Well getting shot hurts

[fallow kraken]

I genuinely be dead checking them and ignoring ROE when they get to screaming

Annoys the fck outta me

[waxen tartan]

I threw it off the wall for bounce

[solemn patio]

I like shotguns lowkey

[lost inlet]

And replaying the Tarzan’s scream is annoying.

[rich reef]

Well least they can do is scream in a less obnoxious way

[fallow kraken]

My mp7 and five seven until the day I quit the game 😂

[rich reef]

Cant hurt that bad. Right?

[solemn patio]

I usually rock the G3

[solemn patio]

Hold still we can find out

[rich reef]

Did you see where it landed?

[solemn patio]

[waxen tartan]

"Ready or not logic"
Takes it slow, dies
Rushes and gungho, survives with a fully damaged paperdoll😂

[solemn patio]

Is this just a new america half the time

[fallow kraken]

Lowkey it can’t hurt as bad as they be making it seem they be yelling their heads off

[waxen tartan]

A new America on standard feels like hard on steroids

[fallow kraken]

This not even judge judge don’t get a sheisty unfortunately

[fallow kraken]

I got an A on a new America hard first try dunno how

[solemn patio]

He gets da switch thooo

[rich reef]

I hope they add balaclavas as a cosmetic item instead of being a skin in multiplayer

[waxen tartan]

I John wicked every one expect the civis it was my getback since gooner boy micheal killed me 😂

[solemn patio]

Glock wit da switch, just need da nads!! (Dual drum mag)

[rich reef]

We're half-way there

[fallow kraken]

They need to add more cosmetics and tattoo options

[solemn patio]

And a draco

[fallow kraken]

Lowkey I just need to S rank more stuff for tattoos

[rich reef]

SLR-47 is somewhat close

[solemn patio]

We’re 3/4 of the way there

[rich reef]

Even has the recoil like your shooting one handed

[waxen tartan]

Imagine completing all the base missions in ironman mode and still not getting the achievement

[solemn patio]

I FUCKING KNOW I NEED S REGULAR AK

[fallow kraken]

Would genuinely make me understand why people off themselves

[fallow kraken]

Half the guns on controller just go straight to the roof no matter how much you pull the pad down

[waxen tartan]

I honestly want to refund the game, devs are lazy, almost every game Ive played is riddled with bugs and glitches and it never gets fixed

[waxen tartan]

That's why you manually burst fire

[rich reef]

I go semi-auto

[fallow kraken]

I’ve really had no issues except occasionally a piece of evidence won’t let me pack it up

[rich reef]

Me too. Though I have been seeing more bugs lately

[fallow kraken]

I usually use the mp7 or my side arm five seven so I don’t have to worry about recoil

[fallow kraken]

What have you been seeing?

[waxen tartan]

I could go around of everything wrong with this game but I'm not going to because a lot of people know already it's all in the bug channel😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[fallow kraken]

😂

[waxen tartan]

I almost have 200 hours in the game and I still haven't felt like Ive learned anything

[rich reef]

Civies just not giving up when I send them to exit and they dont get auto arrested

Also civies just not moving when I tell them to go to exit

[fallow kraken]

I noticed that today I just ended up head tapping them

[waxen tartan]

Oh guess what they don't listen the first time now now you have to tell him twice and even if so they always get stuck somewhere behind the door in a crevice

[fallow kraken]

Does anyone know how to make it go on first person to take pictures ? Like the people in the art channel do

[rich reef]

I just kept hitting them with the taser until they gave up

[rich reef]

First person in replay?

[fallow kraken]

I might be an idiot lol I’ve never done a replay

[rich reef]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message Are you talking about screenshots like this?

[fallow kraken]

Yeah kinda but not so zoomed in

[rich reef]

You can do that in replay

You can adjust the zoom as well

[fallow kraken]

Thank you 🙏🏼

[rich reef]

Np

[copper sail]

any updates on sound cutting out on ps5?

[kindred willow]

Is console going to get this do you know

[rich reef]

Not sure but I hope so

[slim fern]

Replay mode is only for pc, but I can see it being implemented in console too

[kindred willow]

Genuinely I would pay extra for a photo mode

[devout mist]

Fuck my chud life an officer who I’ve had in my team since the beginning of my play through of Ready or Not just DIED🥹

COOPER WRIGHT COME BACK YOU WERE ACTUALLY A GOATED MEMBER 💔

[sudden thorn]

Alr I’ll check them out

[kindred willow]

He'll be back in the morning he just need some milk

[vivid widget]

what fov settings do you guys use?

[rich reef]

If I remember correctly, I use follow world at max fov

[devout mist]

You’re so right twin

[ripe prairie]

Didn’t RoN use to have an official pvp mode?

[vivid widget]

really? just max fov follow world?

[rich reef]

Yeah I'm pretty sure

I'll double check

[vivid widget]

i’m trying to tweak mine a bit to see if they can be better

right now i’m testing world fov at max and weapon fov at 110

[rich reef]

I just have mines at World FOV max and Weapon FOV as Follow World

[lost inlet]

back in alpha build, ye.

[pliant frost]

World fov: 100
Weapon fov: 105

Imo best for realism

[woeful dove]

weapon fov 99999999
world fov: 12

super realism larp 3000

[vivid widget]

i’m more curious about practicality rather than realism

trying out 120 world 110 weapon

[hybrid belfry]

What's the best RoN tattoo in your opinion?

[pliant frost]

Then set the weapon's fov so that you can see through the sight as best as possible

[vivid widget]

dunno if that’s good or not, but it seems ok

[pliant frost]

The one from the twisted nerve

[hybrid belfry]

Ooh I used that too but I'm kinda tired of it rn

It fits well with no gloves + any a bit shiny watch

[vivid widget]

is this with ads zoom or not?

[pliant frost]

What

[vivid widget]

it’s a setting in the gameplay tab

where adsing actually “zooms in” or not

[hybrid belfry]

I've never seen anyone use Metzal gloves for wtv reason

[pliant frost]

I know, and?

[hybrid belfry]

Which is sad because they actually look good if you can stylize things.
They are basically made for Cerra Torre L5 jacket

[vivid widget]

does that change the settings you pick for your fov

or not really at all

[pliant frost]

No, why

It just zooms

[sudden thorn]

I like using 105 world fov and 110 weapon fov

[quasi coral]

Gun fov max extreme realism 🥶 🥶

105 is NOT realistic at all 😭

[woeful dove]

(i use 110)

[final ember]

just me or did Slugs get nerfed big time
they used to absolutely wreck armored targets

[lost inlet]

no, slug is still in the best spot it could ever be.

[marble flume]

Slugs just need to be more effective on limbs, its insanity that .50 AP does everything a slug shotgun should do

[hallow flower]

eh? isnt it buck shot?

[lost inlet]

we're talking about slug here.

[lost inlet]

my thought exactly.

slug back in EA era was just pure dogshit, dealing only 50 damage on torso.

[hallow flower]

sorry, i thought slug isnt good as always?

or its just getting better?

[lost inlet]

it's in the best version right now, buckshot still beats it in every situation.

[hallow flower]

ahhh okok

[lost inlet]

it's better than EA era but still loses to buckshot.

[hallow flower]

so this statement, better to bring mkv then slug ammo?

[lost inlet]

dev really need to play spec op the line to know how powerful slug really are.

[marble flume]

.50 AE AP is literally JUST a slug shotgun but better in every possible way

[marble flume]

The issue is mainly how "AP" rounds are balanced, its not really a thing against slugs specifically

[obtuse sequoia]

I don’t think they made the .50 AE pistol powerful enough

[lost inlet]

you would only ever bringing AP if the level has armor rating higher than your current ammo type.

otherwise, JHP is meta.

[marble flume]

The next issue comes down to how insane buckshot is against limbs, to the point where it actually overshadows slug rounds against armored targets lmao

[hallow flower]

yeah so if i said this
(shotgun buckshot + mkv ap) > (shotgun buckshot + slug)
am i correct?

[final ember]

its wildly inconsistent these days
I've seen suspects on clemente hotel tank in multiple rounds, granted they get stunned from the hhits but its weird

[marble flume]

I mean, honestly buckshot in general basically covers any distance you'd need to actually cover on most maps

[final ember]

Buckshot really is the way to go armor or not

[lost inlet]

hotel map does have lvl4 armor which stops slug.

[marble flume]

Its inconsistent if you accidentally hit them in the arm, arm shots deal very shit damage with slugs

[hallow flower]

hmmm true, prob bring pistol just for hostage scene

[final ember]

yeah but im talking center mass

[marble flume]

Actually yeah, buckshot against a hostage taker has so far 100% resulted in a dead civilian lmao

[final ember]

it used to be more effective I could swear

[marble flume]

I thought you meant Ides of March, Sins of the Father has Level 4 armor suspects which can eat slugs

[marble flume]

Yeah, on Sins of the Father you need to land FOUR slugs to kill a single target wearing Level 4 armor regardless of hit location unless you hit them in the head lmao

[hallow flower]

i have question about shotgun, when do we use pumping shotgun? semi auto shotgun seems much more reliable since damage is pretty much the same. why bother for more animation delay?

[final ember]

because they're cool

[hallow flower]

ah ok, aesthetic

[final ember]

but yea I cant think of any other reason

[marble flume]

Pump actions are based.

Also, the Mossberg 590m is magazine-fed which makes reloading a breeze

[final ember]

maybe an incentive to give aimed shots? people tend to empty out the 5 round tube real fast

[marble flume]

Every shotgun in the game holds at least 8 shots lmao, the B1301 holds 9

[final ember]

weird, it always felt like 5 shots

my mistake

[hallow flower]

issue, its hard to fully prepared, ykwim, you can alway fully reload b1301 no matter when(unless out of ammo). while if you used all your magazine, you want have full ammo

[final ember]

honestly even the 8 rounds go out real fast when you start panic firing with that thing

pump action makes you aim better

[marble flume]

Yeah, but its also a pump-action, so you should have enough rounds

[hallow flower]

i think to make it make sense, they gotta buff pump action

cause b1301 will be the only reason to pick in meta wise

[final ember]

that magazine is ugly as shit
I wouldve loved the 590 if they just gfave us the standard variant

also I miss reloading after few shots to make sure the tube stays full

[marble flume]

I get what you're saying, but for some reason there's no firearm in the entire game that gets more than one magazine per point allocated

[final ember]

more ammo efficient, thats true

[marble flume]

Also, i think the 590m is the shortest shotgun in the game since its mag-fed

[hallow flower]

now that make it much more sense, like the benefit on this pump action shotgun

gotta buff on something that semi auto shotgun doesnt have

[marble flume]

That being said, there's exactly zero reason to use the supernova because its as long as a flintlock musket

[light nest]

No it's standard length

20" barrel

[marble flume]

Is it? damn.

Well, at least its not as long as the goddamn Supernova lmao, that thing is like ten feet long

[light nest]

Honestly I'm a bit perplexed as to how the B1301 and SuperNova even holds 9 rounds

Irl it's a 7+1 round capacity with 2.75 inch shells

[hallow flower]

they could buff supernova for less ammo spread, so like the speciality is for long range shotgun.

[final ember]

some of these Shotguns do terrible in CQB I noticed
you barely approach a wall and you already start tilting the gun

[hallow flower]

so each shotgun have their unique stuff

[light nest]

Doesn't really line up with how it is irl tho

And besides, the SuperNova already has less recoil than even the M1014

[marble flume]

Yean, seriously, don't use the Supernova, it has HORRIBLE collision with everything

[hallow flower]

true

[final ember]

yeah I refrain from it even though it always seemed like the coolest one

[marble flume]

I used to fuck with it, but now that I discovered its horrible collision I can't use it anymore

[light nest]

It would have been cool if they'd allowed us to do a select slug drill with the SuperNova

[final ember]

like damn why is he wielding that thing like a fkin heat seeking missile launcher

[final ember]

same here, mf can't hold the thing straight if his life depended on it

[nimble ravine]

Do let me know what you think

[final ember]

how do you mean

[light nest]

There's a button on the underside of the pump of the SuperNova

[final ember]

what does it do

[light nest]

Lavabird is typing...

[final ember]

well you werent for a while

[light nest]

It allows for the round in the chamber to be ejected when the pump goes back without having the round in the magazine tube go up onto the lifter

[woeful dove]

I played ready or not for 4 hours straight full volume and bass on my skullcandy crusher evos. I still hear my 9 bangers

Is this normal

[hallow flower]

some one bangging your door, do you able to hear it?

[woeful dove]

I don't have doors

[quasi coral]

Yes but next year at the hospital for chronic tinnitus, the doctor will say no

[hallow flower]

does battle riffle considered sniper?

i wish they add sniper in the game, so i could one shot mlo in hard level

(outside of the mod)

[half osprey]

There's no missions for sniping

[hallow flower]

i know it doesnt make sense to bring sniper for swat, it just sniper is one of fps core essence

[marble flume]

It DOES make sense, because SWAT snipers exist and they were in the last game

Well, I mean they were in SWAT 4, not really the "last game" per se

[hallow flower]

hmmm, there could possibly add sniper on new dlc.
i hope so

when i play other games about cqb(you know door kicker), sniper exist but they are not in the field, like holding a side of certain angle. this might be implemented in ron thought

ai bot might be much more use full if this stuff exist

[real osprey]

The only time i got to go “sniper” was on hide and seek, using the RTWC

[eager barn]

Make the ai NOT stand in doorways

Pisses me off

[hallow flower]

i want the sniper thats not semi auto and auto. i want something you need to load another ammo once shoot, like awp. you know that sniper feeling T.T

[real osprey]

Yee

[eager barn]

So a bolt action

[hallow flower]

ah yeah that one

[real osprey]

Me personally i wish there was a CQB/smaller supressor for the SR-16. I play on console btw rn and i started like 2 months ago so im still mastering the ropes and gaining confidence (initially id have the AI clear all rooms for me lol but not anymore)

Once i setup a Gaming pc imma get RON and mod on PC lol

[eager barn]

I would rather have a dmr as such with a better long range scope

Get use of the canted iron sights while also adding a canted microdot sight

[hallow flower]

still even if the sniper could be rapid fire, i couldnt get the feeling from REAL sniper, it must be Bolt Action.

[eager barn]

Yeah, fair enough doesn’t really matter to me I’m into cqb

Unless they add a M249

[real osprey]

There goes S rank haha

[hallow flower]

very usefull gun, especially for valley of the doll

[real osprey]

EXACTLY

[eager barn]

Yep and for ana

Silly little sleeper agents

[hallow flower]

whats the most inhuman lore other then valley of the doll? is it hide and seek?

[real osprey]

I recently conquered greased palms again. Went from E to a B lol

[real osprey]

The spider.

[hallow flower]

ah yeah the spider

[eager barn]

Hide and seek or the spider

[hallow flower]

if i rank it

1. valley of the doll
2. the spider
3. hide and seek

[real osprey]

Also neon tomb IMO

[eager barn]

Meh

[real osprey]

Neon tomb is my fav mission to replay lol

Is it just me or slowmode is enabled for everyone

[eager barn]

It’s more just tragic

[hallow flower]

they fight for ideology, while valley of the doll and other, just piece of degenerate garbage

[real osprey]

True

[marble flume]

honestly I find VoTD funny cause the guard dialogue is great

[cold prism]

anyone encounter this #💻tech-support message

[hallow flower]

easy bug fix solve, restart the game. hahahahha

[cold prism]

damn HAHAHA only thing I need

[real osprey]

What are yalls fav missions to play?

[cold prism]

still in game rn HAHAHA

[hallow flower]

i tried so hard to get ana achievement, that the mission became my fav 💀 and guess what, still never got once the solo hard achievement

[cold prism]

that FISA Agent ruin my raid for S tier HAHAHA

[real osprey]

1. neon tomb
2. Narcos (DLC)
3. Valley of the dolls
4. ides of march
5. the spider
6. 23 megabytes
7. ends of the earth
8. Buy cheap buy twice

[hallow flower]

no ana?

[real osprey]

That fisa agent ruined my a run i ended up getting a b lol

[cold prism]

no mods rn HAHAHA

[cold prism]

Cant get him down i got non-lethal guns HAHAHA

[real osprey]

Baller

[eager barn]

23 mb

[real osprey]

I got jumpscared by the agent in the office room and i accidentally blasted him 😭

[real osprey]

Arrest Michael Williams +500

walks into room and baller rap beat plays

[eager barn]

I never arrest him

[real osprey]

There was one time i couldn’t get him to surrender and i had no choice lmao

[cold prism]

trying to get the achievement for all base mission hahahaha

[eager barn]

The brother always runs out when I c2 the door 😂

Ends up getting buckshot to the face

[real osprey]

Toc : STAND DOWN

[cold prism]

im done hahah this 1 hr already going to exit now damn it HAHAHA

[hallow flower]

ah i know what is the best mission,
download lmg mod, no civil, play valley of the doll

[cold prism]

damn FISA AGENT only guy ruined it

[real osprey]

I haven’t played ANA yet, im still fairly new (2 months in) and i got all the way to all gods burn. My main goal is mastering mechanics and improving my room clearing

[sour relic]

is the fire alarm on "A New America" can only be pulled ONCE by the player?

[real osprey]

As well as improving on identifying traps bc my rookie mistake when i first played would be opening a door and BOOM.

[eager barn]

Use alt lean

It is SO useful

[real osprey]

Free lean right

[mystic echo]

Should i use 300 blk or 556

[eager barn]

I call it alt lean because I have to press alt

[real osprey]

Yeah been starting to to using that

[mystic echo]

which one

[eager barn]

Cant go wrong with creedmore

[real osprey]

I use 556 on most missions (Hide and Seek,No Good Deed, and All Gods Burn i used creedmor)

[blazing shoal]

been loving the ARN-180

[hallow flower]

mean while i use sa58 7.62x51mm ap on all mission in standard, since its one shot every one hahahaha

[mystic echo]

yeah thats what i main normally

[blazing shoal]

though i might try the creedmore later, it gets stale sticking to one gun lol

[blazing shoal]

i cannot with the jumpy recoil of the battle rifles i def need to work on my recoil control tho haha

[hallow flower]

uh? did you set auto on battle riffle?

[mystic echo]

i dont think ive ever used auto in an actual mission

[blazing shoal]

no, sometimes i do a panic 2 shot fire lol

[hallow flower]

you use semi on arn-180? you are wasting its potential, since its auto is very good, easy spray control

[real osprey]

I used 7.62 when i first started but now i use the SR 16 (i alternate my primary with GA416,MCX,RTWC,or MK18),

My AI loadout
Alpha - MCX
Bravo - GA416
Charlie - GA416
Delta - GA416

[blazing shoal]

and where i mostly aim varies so it could be at shoulder height and mess up the second follow up

[eager barn]

The GA416 is so good

[mystic echo]

i honestly use it just for the 300blk but ive never tried it on auto

[real osprey]

Yesssirrr

[blazing shoal]

jeez i really have to try out many weapons

[mystic echo]

use 762 on ai the recoil doesnt affect them

[hallow flower]

trust me, use auto, its really fun

[real osprey]

I will try it out one day thank you for the suggestion

[hallow flower]

7.62 all in HAHAHA

[mystic echo]

ok got it, 300blk does more damage right compared to 556

[eager barn]

I thought it affects their overall aim? I always use a vet ai when I use it for ai

[blazing shoal]

my only problem with that is sometimes they reload while standing in front of the enemy while being shot at lmao

[hallow flower]

i think 556 do more, since 556 recoil is quite high

[blazing shoal]

20rnd mag moment

[real osprey]

Search and secure

AI : stands there

[eager barn]

My problem is they stand still when their getting shot at anyway especially in a doorway

[mystic echo]

I tried auto on the shooting range and the recoil was so low i ended up missing some shots bc i pointed too much downwards

[blazing shoal]

yeah, also happens when using move to on the outside part of greased palms

they also just combine into one amalgamation

i've also been trying shotguns and been blowing faces and limbs off

[mystic echo]

nah i saw a chart and graph, 300blk does more dmg

[real osprey]

Yeah i tested out 300 blk in one mission and had an easy tap or two

[hallow flower]

owh thank for the info, thats new

[mystic echo]

np

[mystic echo]

ikr, its super effective

[real osprey]

Yeee

[hallow flower]

arn-180 is op then. very easy spray control, better dmg then 556
so whats the point using ga 416?

[eager barn]

I just want more clothes 🥹

[eager barn]

I just find it to be the most clean gun

[blazing shoal]

how do you get those ski mask looking things

[eager barn]

Multiplayer - character- down to echo

[mystic echo]

no point besdies looks

[hallow flower]

bruh, i should use arn 180 often than

[blazing shoal]

wdym by down to echo? im not familiar with the multiplayer stuff of the game sorry

[half osprey]

Might need to change your UI scale to 90%

[eager barn]

It’s the name of the character that has the ski mask

[half osprey]

Echo is bottom 3 characters

[blazing shoal]

damn didnt know there was an echo lmao

[eager barn]

Very bottom of all the characters

[blazing shoal]

thanks guys

[cold prism]

how to get an echo by the way?

[quasi coral]

An Echo?

It's free, there is no price

[cold prism]

stats right?

[wind gyro]

if you mean the characters echo they are base game in multiplayer

[turbid marten]

Has the Glock 18 swapping magazines glitch been finally fixed?

[rocky plover]

Nope

[low grail]

Anyone else having problems with the key binds resetting when they quit the game? I'm on Xbox using mnk

[radiant pike]

why would the glock be fixed? it's been faulty from the factory line

[pliant frost]

Don't exit via alt+f4

[radiant pike]

alt-f4 doesn't work on Series consoles

[karmic shale]

yeah, i dont think VOID made it to where they save after you close the game

[obtuse sequoia]

Do people use multiplayer to play solo without using mods?

[lost inlet]

Yes.

[quasi coral]

It's a common practice

[obtuse sequoia]

I was just wondering if I was the only one that did it, I play on console so I usually just do that if I don’t wanna deal with my shit ai teamates

[quasi coral]

Yea, don't worry man, we've all been there

I love my AI teammates though, so it's rare for me

[low grail]

They saved before once, but then I hit clear an then boom it stopped saving

[low grail]

I don't
I hit F5 and watch my Xbox cry

[marble flume]

The sound bug on the taser hasn't been fixed and that's been a thing for years lol

[karmic wraith]

Is there any proper mod to play pvp with friends?

[hallow flower]

go to basement lobby
your welcome

[karmic wraith]

Basement sucks c’mon, I meant actual pvp!😭

[native rune]

They’ve been assuring us pvp is coming for like, several years

With the canonical implementation of the boiling point guys it could be coming soon, soon as in within like three years

[solemn patio]

Doing an MLO inspired loadout, heavy or light armor

And what gun, im thinking a G3 with a light and no optic

I could do the m14?

[native rune]

They also like a featureless m16 I think? I guess you could bring the mk18 with the carry handle and long barrel

[rigid ridge]

Is there a way to do Shield plus Taser?

[jolly verge]

With mod only

[rigid ridge]

Would be nice if they add that plus an actual hotkey for the taser

[wet chasm]

why isn’t there a option to quietly tell civilians to get down, im trying to do hunger strike stealthy but the enemies on this map will start killing civilians as soon as they hear anything remotely sounding like the police

[jolly verge]

They start killing after 60 seconds or 30 if you on hard, not when they heard you.

[wet chasm]

im not playing on hard

im playing standard

[jolly verge]

☝️

[wet chasm]

this isn’t really the part of my sentence that I wanted a answer for

[jolly verge]

Like i said suspects start killing after certain amount of time regardless if you making noise or not

You must rush if you want civilians alive

[wet chasm]

yeah but itd be useful in general

[jolly verge]

If you want civilian comply just bash him, it wont make any sound

[wet chasm]

they don’t comply till I tell them to get down THEN bash them

[jolly verge]

They comply from bash just fine, you dont need to yell at them at all

[wet chasm]

I’ll see

[jolly verge]

With your primary you need 1 bash, with pistol or devices - 2

Well that depends how much morale they have left

[vivid widget]

what fov settings do you use

asked this before but i'm still curious about what other people run

[wet chasm]

95 world fov 120-110 weapon fov

[desert island]

is there a button to separate aim style for primary and secondary

i hate that i cant side aim with primary without it affecting secondary

[sudden thorn]

105 world 110 vertical weapon

[hybrid swan]

Anyone else on PS5 having occasional game crashes when booting up multiplayer?

Or freezing would be a better word

[real osprey]

That mission is my nemesis took me 10 tries to get an A and never played the mission again

[sudden thorn]

Eh I just prefer the assault gloves theyre simple and effective

[native rune]

Meleeing civilians can get them to surrender, bashing with the taser can also be tried

[nimble ravine]

There you go, to each their own

[bright belfry]

Once I got the multicam armor gotta say I haven’t looked like a cop since

[sudden thorn]

Do you want to continue doing our chronological run

We are on carriers of the vine

What’s after that isnt it a lethal obsession and then twisted nerve

[sudden thorn]

That was tense

nearly both died there at the end

[lilac mural]

Ty for avenging

What is next?

[sudden thorn]

Now it’s lethal obsession, twisted nerve and then stolen valour

Nice job

I like lethal it’s a quick and easy map but can be quite tense if shit goes wrong

[lilac mural]

Yes exactly

[sudden thorn]

Nice job

after this it’s ides of march, sins of the father and hunger strike

[wintry sequoia]

is it normal that i get an unauthroised use of force when i soot a suspect who is backing up towards a door that would block him from my view when i tell him to give up?

like what else im supposed to do in that situation

[sudden thorn]

Nice job, that map is either really easy or really hard for me

[sudden thorn]

Yes

You’ve just gotta approach them too and be careful of any surprise attacks

[wintry sequoia]

i kind of was doing that but was 10m away while he was basically at the door

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural what entrance for ides you choose

[lilac mural]

I dont remember the name but not the one where you are put in a crossfire

[wintry sequoia]

there were 2 options eaither to let him go into an area with like 10 other armed suspects or shoot him

[sudden thorn]

Fire exit then

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

[wintry sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701417754669875281/1503829072705355937/image.png?ex=6a04c576&is=6a0373f6&hm=4acce47ac9862818aead4b10aa79838a641225fc9b0696f806a08986bb5a993b&

it was this door and i was where im now

fuck the mission control

[final jacinth]

after 325 hours
3000 suspects arrested, 1730 terminated
all missions s-ranked on hard difficulty, not a single bot wasnt cuffed by me
i almost got every achivement, the only ones left are commander mode (just some more time and ill get them)
now im trying to solo s rank all missions without using armor, i think this game is taking over my life

[hybrid shadow]

I wonder if toc will ever just crash out after one too many “accidental” roe violations

[sturdy pumice]

Anyone have suggestions for Ironman mode?

[final jacinth]

wdym

what exactly

[sturdy pumice]

Like loadouts, tactics, equipment, ect.

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural what entrance in sins of the father

[lilac mural]

Everything works for me, maybe elevators?

[final jacinth]

well, use heavy armor if you arent experienced with the game, and use high caliber rifles, i prefer g3a3 as it is pretty much an laser gun, but not very strong tbh
tasers are preferred at the start of the mission and on small closed locations, use cameras and flashbangs
team setup: i prefer the one who makes suspects surrender faster when yelling combined with the one who makes them surrender when using non-lethal with higher chance, useful especially on hard mode when "brave" suspects show up, also the armor guy and maybe therapist

[sudden thorn]

Alr

[final jacinth]

always use roof cuz i like the view, but elevator is more useful since you can control both floors at the same time

[sudden thorn]

I like balcony

[final jacinth]

also the mf in the window can shoot you up, but not a big deal

[real osprey]

Elevator is the entry i chose

[final jacinth]

yeah also a good spot but i dont use it usually

[real osprey]

Yee

[sudden thorn]

One time in multiplayer we opened the first door and were met by 3 suspects right at the door

[sturdy pumice]

Thanks

[sturdy pumice]

I've been using the p90, then I switched to the mk18.

[final jacinth]

9mm is not effective, high caliber rifles are dealing much better, also try not to slam doors since controlling how suspects move is important, lockpick them and always close doors after and behind you

you can figure in which direction suspect went when searching for one

especially useful on missions with lots of small, closed rooms like twisted nerve

or rust belt

[sturdy pumice]

You need to get C or more on the final mission, right?

[final jacinth]

rating doesnt matter, but usually i get A or higher since i dont want to waste my statistics

i prefer using sniper scopes on hide n seek, or unironically using flashbang launchers since this mission is unfair

[wintry sequoia]

if you really want the achievement or just die a bullshit death alt f4 doesnt save progress

[sturdy pumice]

Does a officer resigning count as loosing an officer?

[final jacinth]

yes

[jolly verge]

Only for the watch

[zinc ice]

Is there any way I can play multiplayer but one team mate commands blue team ai and the other commands red team ai

[sudden thorn]

Nice job

[lilac mural]

The civ got destroyed by the suspect in that one room

[sudden thorn]

Front or back entrance for hunger strike

[lilac mural]

Front

This one we need to be quick

[sudden thorn]

After this it’s rust belt, elephant, greased palms and then ends of the earth

doesnt die on any of the missions from carrier to sins of the father but thats what gets me

[lilac mural]

They did something to the suspects on that map

They are lasering after bp

[sudden thorn]

Update: Los Locos in Hunger Strike have been changed to MLO operatives from A New America

[hybrid shadow]

Guys is judge canonically gay

[sudden thorn]

Yes

[sudden thorn]

Nice job time to do elephant that rng hell

What entrance do you want to do for that I don’t mind either

[hybrid shadow]

I KNEW IT

[sudden thorn]

next dlc is date toc

[hybrid shadow]

we need a boy kisser mod immediately on nexus

[lilac mural]

Every entrance is fine for me too

[pale marsh]

currently trying hide and seek and manb is it a pain

[sudden thorn]

I’m gonna go after this but we can continue later on today or tomorrow, we got a lot of good progress today, next missions we need to do are greased palms and ends of the earth

We pretty much just aced elephant without even trying

[lilac mural]

Yes we got good progress

[sudden thorn]

except killing all the suspects and I accidentally shot a student as they were just standing around the edge of a door when I cleared it but other then that that was good

[lilac mural]

One we got alive tho

[hybrid shadow]

Someone make this immediately

[lilac mural]

But yeah lets continue tomorrow

[loud ravine]

Question: if it’s the bullet caliber that determines damage, does the length of the firearm’s barrel determine how far the bullet will travel? I’m thinking about using the F90 for sniping and wondering if it beats the AR-rifles when it comes to distance cause it’s a bullpup

[sudden thorn]

Or later if you can do that

[tired jungle]

No

[loud ravine]

So what’s the point of different weapons other than recoil?

[tired jungle]

Nothing but looks

[jolly verge]

Variety

[sudden thorn]

different ammo types do different damage, guns have different amount of length that affects it, ammo amount and base recoil amount

There’s a lot of things differing guns

[loud ravine]

And rate of fire?

[tired jungle]

Arguably not enough

[sudden thorn]

Yeah and that

Weapon accuracy too how much moving the gun moves the sight with it

[tired jungle]

Tbf ron should have way more complex damage model

It's too fucking predictable and it gets boring

[jolly verge]

There is no accuracy

[round forge]

thats when you use the revolver

[loud ravine]

I appreciate that this game compared to cod or battlefield is like “bullet determine tissue damage, not this stupid meta stuff”

[sudden thorn]

I mean as in the sight floating behind when you move the gunthat’s weapon accuracy

Like with the arwc the gun doesnt perfectly align with the sight when moving it from left to right with that

[loud ravine]

For some reason I don’t know why suppressors increase accuracy

[jolly verge]

Let's not talk about it

[tired jungle]

Velocity would be a factor in "damage" and different guns would output different velocities but... Yeah whatever

[sudden thorn]

Suppressors are kind of useless but if you don’t want to blow your ears out every time you fire your gun they are good for that but I prefer the oomph you get from hearing your gun fire loudly

[tropic bolt]

Guys how can i arrest the civilians on neon tomb? I just blew up from one of them for the 10th time in a row its annoying

[loud ravine]

I just want to run a P90 with no tube on it’s barrel 😛

[sudden thorn]

Stop shooting them

[tropic bolt]

this is the worst ragebait i could imagine i could be banned for answering properly

shoot them not shoot them they just dont give up

[sudden thorn]

if you shoot them unlike the suspects with bomb vests they explode to make them surrender walk up to them and disarm the bomb best while using the multitool

[tropic bolt]

i tried taser, flashbang, also shooting them, hitting them nothing works they just blow up

[sudden thorn]

so you were shooting them

[tropic bolt]

even when i dont shoot them

[sudden thorn]

All you gotta do is walk up to them and disarm the bomb vest

[tropic bolt]

without having them give up first?

[fallow kraken]

They don’t explode if you head tap them right?

[sudden thorn]

Yes

[tropic bolt]

alright

[sudden thorn]

pretty sure they do anyway they have a dead man’s switch I think while suspects have a manual one they pull when getting close to you

[tropic bolt]

maybe next time dont give a useless answer like dont shoot them which sounds like ragebait if you dont elaborate

[bright belfry]

Wishing 9mm wasn’t completely useless

[sudden thorn]

I thought you just weren’t disarming them and shooting them instead don’t get mad at me

[tropic bolt]

but thanks

[sudden thorn]

Use it for the larp

9mm jhp

[bright belfry]

I do but after one engagement I’m mag dumping a dude wearing a hoodie

[sudden thorn]

The American Way

[bright belfry]

Watched an unarmored suspect take buckshot to the chest and shrug that shit off like it was nothing

[jolly verge]

You can use it just fine on 15 missions without having issue with armor

[bright belfry]

Not on hard

[sudden thorn]

hard sucks I don’t play that ever

[bright belfry]

Doing achievements

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

[tired jungle]

Still sucks tbf

[bright belfry]

I love RoN but the hard mode is incredibly lazy on VOIDs part

[jolly verge]

That 4 hits instead of 3 on like 2 missions compare to standart

[sudden thorn]

I’d love it if they’d let you make a custom difficulty in multiplayer which would obviously disable achievements, like I would love for suspects to have the slower reaction time of casual but have the increased amount of suspects from hard

[bright belfry]

✅give all AI wall hacks and aimbot
✅Add 3 more dudes
✅remove all variety with suspects

[hallow fossil]

TOC rotate my stuff once clockwise and once counter clockwise

[bright belfry]

It’s just incredibly lazy for something that should be challenging but not feel soul draining every time you get one tapped through a door you didn’t interact with

[bright belfry]

4 hits you’re funny

[chilly thorn]

9mm guns are pretty good if used right

[hallow fossil]

They should add barret 50 cal ong

[chilly thorn]

I mean like only like 5 maps have suspect with decent armor to make it bad

every other map you can reliably take them out in a single burst

[sudden thorn]

All 9mm haters will be killed

[hallow fossil]

Close Quarters Barret Combat

[chilly thorn]

Mp5SD is so goated

[sudden thorn]

I like using a glock 19 with a flashlight only for the realistic cop larp

[bright belfry]

I like the 9mm 1911

[chilly thorn]

I wish this games difficulty was more suspects hesistate and shoot less but can kill you insanely fast

more hesistation animations, make the suspects craftier and such but make them value their own lives as well.

[bright belfry]

That’s already how the normal game is

[wintry sequoia]

whoops looks like your entire team is dead because they flashed themself one microsecond before the suspect armed with a nothing but his bare fists rushed them

[chilly thorn]

Not at all you can take like 30 shots in this game its stupid

[bright belfry]

You can still get one tapped on standard

[jolly verge]

Well that how the game is working

[pale marsh]

any tips for hide and seek. keep getting my butt handed too me.

[hallow fossil]

That's why you put your team on hold at the start of the mission because they are too stupid

[sudden thorn]

Love it when they throw the stinger at their feet

[jolly verge]

Only from headshot or if all shotgun pellets hits your bare torso

[pale marsh]

just had something similar happen. told them to clear a room and 3 died

[chilly thorn]

not commonly. Its made this way because suspects dont value their lives and always full on attack you its odd.

Suspects would rather push into a room of 5 swat officers then like take cover or run away

[bright belfry]

Depends on the suspects rarely have I been annihilated on standard other than on the hospital mission and maybe the bombers on neon tomb

[chilly thorn]

I just dont like how inhuman suspects act in this game

they are animated like gmod npcs too

[wintry sequoia]

lucky you, mine doesnt care when i tell them to clear a room they eaither completly ignore the order or just stand next to the doorway and yell breaching every few seconds

[hallow fossil]

Peak teammates

[pale marsh]

they dont mind running through a room with 5 guyus on the other side

[wintry sequoia]

did the devs explain why they made the first grenade not pass through walls?

[sudden thorn]

Realism

and then they made a new america and 3 letter triad

[wintry sequoia]

by realism they meant a highly trained swat team not being able to throw flashesh?

[sudden thorn]

Yeah

[bright belfry]

Ana is a goated mission on standard

[hallow fossil]

I boiling point 1st try despite never playing it, is that normal?

[tired jungle]

Yeah i mean.. the hard mode is even less about being realistic and more about being difficult.. ends up sucking because it's difficult for absolutely bullshit reasons. The suspects have 2 modes, absolutely inhuman and then fucking useless where they won't react to you at all

[bright belfry]

I love a challenge that isn’t wildly unfair and unbalanced

[hallow fossil]

I'm also a newer player

[sudden thorn]

No a new america took me 30 tries and I somehow beat it using the most dogshit loadout possible on accident

[wintry sequoia]

true, on greasy palms like 1/3 of the times you tell them to clear the main hall from the outside at least one of them is going to go all around the map (wheres theres always at least 5/6 enemies) to do something there i guess

[tired jungle]

I'd probably still play the game sometime if the ai wasn't so dogshit boring and repetitive

[sudden thorn]

was using the mk18 with no attachments except carry handle and long barrel with the 1911 and battering ram as I was larping as the cover outfit judge and I somehow pulled through

[chilly thorn]

I used a Mp5 and a Glock 18 and a bunch of grenades

[wintry sequoia]

only option to get the ironman achievement

[bright belfry]

You are John Judge

[chilly thorn]

P90 is also really goated on AnA

[bright belfry]

I’ve had no luck with the P90

[wintry sequoia]

also is there a point to surrendering enemies when not going for the S?

[hallow fossil]

fr

[bright belfry]

Sins of the father I may dumped some schmuck and he only died after like the 7-8 shot

[chilly thorn]

It can 2 shot MLO members if aimed at the upper torso

[hallow fossil]

epic

[bright belfry]

Just underwhelming for a round that was specifically made to pass through armor

[sudden thorn]

Go for it anyway it’s fun to try and go for them as it stops the game from becoming a point and click sim

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but you get 50 shots for one mag

[bright belfry]

True

[chilly thorn]

I only had to bring 2 mags for AnA

[bright belfry]

Standard or hard?

[sudden thorn]

Recently I just don’t really care about whatever the best loadout is right now im running a realistic loadout for the game’s lore and I think I hit the mark

[chilly thorn]

Standard I'm not playing AnA on hard even with swat ai

[jolly verge]

5.7x28 can't pen level 4 armor

You talking about BSG

[bright belfry]

I’m doing it solo for the achievement it’s not fun

[sudden thorn]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[chilly thorn]

Then they must have low ass health because the P90 destroys them

[sudden thorn]

The flair nite watch is optional but if you want to put a watch on the outfit id go with that

[hallow fossil]

I just run whatever looks cool to me

[wintry sequoia]

i guess but then it becomes pressing F sim untill they eaither try to solo team of 4 and shoot you in the process or surrender after 2 minutes

[chilly thorn]

I mean tbf even if a suspect has the heaviest armor they go down insanely fast from most guns

I guess thats realistic tho

[sudden thorn]

But it’s funner and more tense

[jolly verge]

BSG members do have level 3A, 5.7x28 AP will incap them in 3 hits, as for MLO they all have level 4

[wintry sequoia]

it probably is when not doing missions on hard and having to restart after every crew death

[pale marsh]

im currently on hide and seek

[sudden thorn]

Then don’t play on hard that’s how you beat it

[wintry sequoia]

achievements grind

[chilly thorn]

I mean do those stats really matter besides a spread sheet though because in game it really doesn't change much lol

[tired jungle]

Idk why you are expecting that from such a small round against lvl 4 plates

[sudden thorn]

Then don’t achievement grind

[chilly thorn]

like for example your going to kill everything in like 1-3 shots in this game no matter what

[bright belfry]

The whole point of the round is to pierce armor bro

[jolly verge]

It's 3 hits vs 8

[tired jungle]

Yeah, soft armor. Not lvl 4 ceramic that was made to stop rifle rounds like 762 nato

[bright belfry]

Ragebait

[chilly thorn]

I have never witnessed any suspect tank 8 shots in my entire life

unless im shooting them in like the foot with ap 9mm

[hybrid shadow]

Me either

[chilly thorn]

I think your stats are either just wrong or someones lying to you

[jolly verge]

You will need more than 8 shots to incap by shooting their foot

Because you deal only 10% of base damage

[chilly thorn]

yeah limb damage is weird in this game since theirs no injury mechanics

[hybrid shadow]

Why the actual fuck are you aiming for the foot

[jolly verge]

I mean you can just test if for your self

[hybrid shadow]

Unless you want them to surrender

[jolly verge]

This is the worst way to make them surrender

[hybrid shadow]

Chest shots or shoulders up for the win

[chilly thorn]

I just shoot the upper chest near the lungs

[tired jungle]

[chilly thorn]

Technically thats incredibly dangerous in real life but this game doesn't have incap bleeding, Nore does it punish you for someone having extended injuries or dying.

bleh :p

I wish this game was more punishing with its combat

[bright belfry]

Play hard you’ll get punished plenty

[chilly thorn]

I do play hard and hard is not punishing its just stupid

[sudden thorn]

They should buff hard mode where suspects have xray vision and they shoot you through walls with quintuple ap rounds

[chilly thorn]

I mean punishing as in losing points for killing suspects and not following RoE

[sudden thorn]

5X the cover penetration

[chilly thorn]

for example why the fuck can I legally shoot a suspect through a wall

[bright belfry]

I mean technically you could if you knew where the suspect was and they were actively threatening someone inside like a civ or something

[wintry sequoia]

i just lost to that, someone shot at me through closed doors i looked at the wall and saw 3 bullets on the left side of the door, turned out shooter was on the right side of the door and those were different bullets he just decided to shoot the door which decided not to show bullet marks i guess

i think youre right about the hard mode fuck that shit

[bright belfry]

If you hit someone else you’re gonna get fucked by its all about circumstance ig

[tired jungle]

Why not

[sudden thorn]

Yeah that shit is rigged

[chilly thorn]

You can shoot someone through a door in this game as long as they are a suspect even if they aren't showing any signs of threat. Even if they dont have a weapon on them or its holstered.

You will lose no points at all when you should get unauthorized use of deadly force

[sudden thorn]

That is actually amazing knowledge to learn of thank you for telling me that

[wintry sequoia]

i mean why let a guy with a weapon walk around

[chilly thorn]

you can shoot a suspect at all times with no punishment in this game as long as they see you.

[sudden thorn]

I will wallbang every suspect now

[chilly thorn]

Its stupid its basically just suspects can only get unauthorized use of force if they are actively surrendered

[tired jungle]

Didn't used to be like that

[bright belfry]

I’ve had unauthorized pop up when shooting some dude looking at me with an AK before

[chilly thorn]

hell you can even shoot a suspect as they are lowering their weapon with ZERO punishment

[sudden thorn]

ROE becomes don’t shoot them on the floor like a dog like any other civilian

[chilly thorn]

its cuz the devs changed RoE after dark waters because players complained about it

[hybrid shadow]

Anyone wanna vc, not play just talk

[wintry sequoia]

"its basically just a armed guy who is willing to kill and is breaking the law you can only get unauthorized use of force if they are actively surrendered"

[sudden thorn]

I often get the animation where they quickly throw the gun to their front confused with them aiming so a lot of suspects have gotten a bullet to the head because of that

[hybrid shadow]

Bored as hell

[bright belfry]

Bored as hell

[chilly thorn]

you cant shoot someone for simply breaking the law

[sudden thorn]

Yes you can

[chilly thorn]

Most of the maps the suspects dont know your coming and just happen to have guns on them

[wintry sequoia]

you can if they have a weapon and will shoot at you if they have a chance

[hybrid shadow]

Yes I can confirm that is what was said

[sudden thorn]

even better

[chilly thorn]

You can only fire a gun when a life is at risk

You cant be the one to put a life in risk your meant to de-escalate

[sudden thorn]

actually I don’t know why im talking im one of the few people that prefer taking suspects in alive

[tired jungle]

Ngl the current score/grading system should be abolished

[wintry sequoia]

god i hate when im just chilling in a random business that just had a shooting with a gun and cops shoot at me

[sudden thorn]

I don’t get why everyone wants to execute vol a life in prison is far worse then a quick death

[wintry sequoia]

isnt a guy who is armed and breaking the law a definition of a life risk?

[bright belfry]

Flaying

[chilly thorn]

Not technically only if they are pointing the weapon at someone

for example a person cant get shot for simply holding a knife during a robbery they have to try and use it

[bright belfry]

Brandishing a firearm during an active situation could be considered a threat, possibly

[wintry sequoia]

fair enough but what if he's armed and in a group of like 20 and others have tried to shoot you on sight?

[hybrid shadow]

“Could be” “would be”*

[sudden thorn]

That’s really specific

[wintry sequoia]

greased palms.

[sudden thorn]

Don’t rush the main area

[bright belfry]

Fuck that mission

[pale marsh]

almost finishe dhide and seek and died to the final suspect that i thought was somewhere else

[sudden thorn]

it’s really not that bad greased palms is fun

[chilly thorn]

Depends, Active shooter situation yes. But if someone is calmly approaching you with a weapon lowered (as the hesitation animations show in game) then it would be illegall to shoot them.

[bright belfry]

Very frustrating on hard took half a dozen tries roughly maybe more

[wintry sequoia]

i tried every way to finish that mission for like past 3 hours, im not the best at this game but this mission is just frustrating with xray suspects

[chilly thorn]

Greased palms is carried by the OST

[sudden thorn]

I love how in single player if you do this toc orders your live execution but in multiplayer you can execute your cop buddy and he just tells you to watch it, I get it’s for gameplay but it’s funny

[sudden thorn]

false

[bright belfry]

What loadout do you run?

[wintry sequoia]

that would make sense, but are the cops actually forced to give up any element of surprise after the shooting has started?

[sudden thorn]

greased palms haters will be forced to play dorms until the next content update

[native rune]

You need to have like, articulate-able-reason to believe they intend to use the weapon to inflict serious bodily harm or death.

[wintry sequoia]

max armor + tried using a long rifle with 7 but switched recently to some random assault rifle using 556

ill boot the game in a sec i rageguitted a moment ago

[chilly thorn]

No they can suprise them but they have to give them a chance no matter what even in a active shooter scenario

[bright belfry]

Do light armor steel and get some more throwables, they helped me

[wintry sequoia]

tbh i cant throw them at all they always get stuck somewhere
im as capable as the bots in using them

[chilly thorn]

I usually just take a shotgun on greased palms

[bright belfry]

Took it slow asf using a shotgun

[chilly thorn]

the suspects on greased palms aren't really a threat the map itself is the suspects cant aim for shit and have no armor

[bright belfry]

Maybe try gas for its aoe

Heard the gas is useless now so idk

[native rune]

Pressing the MMB will show a very faint little circle crosshair in the middle of your screen, use that to help aim grenades

[sudden thorn]

I can’t lie though it does have the best music in the whole game though

[chilly thorn]

its good if you use it like gas and not use it like a flashbang like you could before

[sudden thorn]

I do really like ANA and the current police station music though

[native rune]

Facts

[wintry sequoia]

fair, but like isnt the fact that the cops are assulting your location enought of a indication to surrender?

[chilly thorn]

Best music in the whole game is probably stolen valor for me

[bright belfry]

I bang I don’t gas so idk

[sudden thorn]

I love the leitmotif with the mexican guitar or whatever it is

[wintry sequoia]

damn really? maybe ill hit my grenades for once

[sudden thorn]

I do like that actually I need to listen to it again

[wintry sequoia]

they arent a threat invidually, but thers like 15 of them in the main area

and so many random corridors and places to hide as well + the goddamn civilians who just get executed instantly

[sudden thorn]

If you just go in through the outside left or right entrance to the main area it’s not that bad

[chilly thorn]

Technically yes but since this game doesn't have negotiators yelling for everyone to come out in the maps even though they should (but it doesn't since its like a videogame yknow) it would have to be the other way

[bright belfry]

I bang whatever area I think their holding the hostages in whenever they grab em

[chilly thorn]

2-3 Primary mags 2 Sidearm mags and a bunch of grenades

[wintry sequoia]

i usually go through the shop, then stop before the main area block all 3 doors there, then go to the other shop block the door to the main area there and walk around untill im at the garages, recently had more luck just rushing in tho

[wintry sequoia]

isnt there a voice line every time saying negotiations have failed or something?

[sudden thorn]

I do like to rush in and immediately run to the office upstairs sometimes though

[bright belfry]

I’m just saying if my door was blown the fuck open and I was blinded a second after I’d probably get down on the ground

[chilly thorn]

I think its just a stockline because none of the suspects in these games acknowledge negogations and its never elaborated on

[sudden thorn]

I also wonder on how toc just magically knows when someone is taken hostage

[bright belfry]

Toc says negotiations have failed

[wintry sequoia]

i mean they wouldnt just send in swat team as a first responders would they?

[native rune]

For the general thinking public yes but for violent offenders often not lol. Each individual deserves a chance to comply to the extent that it is safe for you to seek their compliance. Ideally this would mean you exhaust non/less lethal means before lethal force is taken.

[bright belfry]

Depends but in the situations in game no

[chilly thorn]

I'd lowkey surrender the second I see them pull out a vagualy grenade shaped object

[wintry sequoia]

yea so they probably negotiated before that or at least tried that

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but thats just a game thing im pretty sure since how would you even negotiate with suspects that dont know your there

[bright belfry]

Except for ANA I think swat is sent in right away because of the ongoing riots

[wintry sequoia]

i mean how many chances can you give someone before you get yourself in danger? he knows that hes breaking the law, he's armed and dangerous, police tried negotiating and theres an assault on your building, thats like 4 major hints to surrender

[bright belfry]

They should add a mic setting where the AI can hear me screaming at them to put the gun down

[chilly thorn]

you should be able to command your swat members to tackle someone

[wintry sequoia]

the only missions i've done so far are the mass shooting ones + the spider and the datacenter one, mass shooting pretty obvious and in both spider and the datacenter one Toc says that we tried to get them to surrender

[sudden thorn]

You should be able to push those knife guys away if they’re stabbing you

[wintry sequoia]

i heard swat4, game from like 2005 had it but ready or not doesnt lol

[chilly thorn]

It would be impossible for negations to fail on datacenter since the date center dont even know that your police they would immediently surrender if that was made clear to them

I find it funny how datacenter is a subversion where the civillian npcs are evil and the suspects are normal people

[wintry sequoia]

its literally in the briefing, they yelled at the datacenter to surrender before the assault begun