👮ron-discussion

[radiant ore]

Tran brothers be like: I must protect my sick elderly parents by... checks notes spraying bullets through the wall towards police officers in my family home

[rocky raptor]

Wich guns would you guys use if you want to get a heat vibe? I mean the movie

First thoughts are the FAL and the 1911 (im on xbox so no mods for me :c)

[reef path]

Thanks for the advice, I had actually called it a night after this message since it was getting late, I am up for a game tonight (its night in my place) after like 1 hour if that works!

Maybe this will help, though I will probably have to find a map or a arrangement in the shooting range for this

[dense sky]

I don't think that's happening lmao. When they got away with the first DLC it was over. Why fix a game when you can just not fix it and squeeze money out of it lmao. It stinks the same way helldivers 2 does.

[wanton bloom]

I do not like no good deed

Bad mission

[tacit gull]

The difference is that helldivers 2 does make changes to how its systems work, most of them are not very good and the balancing changes are sometimes asinine, but its nowhere near ron where its left in its barely functional state almost untouched while the content farm keeps pushing out mediocre maps and weapons

[wanton bloom]

I walk in and a suspect kills a civvy immediately

[tacit gull]

You wont see anything like blended animations for reloading as compared to the added abilities in helldivers 2 to stim while diving or jumping

You wont see exciting new shit that you wouldn't have even considered like vehicles or weapon customisation

[dense sky]

Yes, different in that aspect. What's the same is the consequence. Both games are becoming hated by THEIR own communities. And I'm getting a similar feeling playing them too.

[tacit gull]

I personally still enjoy hd2 while ron has almost become unplayable for me due to the fact it hasn't seen ANY major change in 3 years

its still fun to fuck around with different weapon loadouts

and try unconventional stratagem combos

[marsh lark]

Helldivers is nice, but the technical tax it has makes it shit

[tacit gull]

Honestly with how fucked up the systems behind it i'm guessing are it's kind of astounding how fast they're putting out content

[dense sky]

Helldivers is pushing towards realism in the most annoying way possible. (Intentionally) RON is just stupidly inconsistent in its realism in the most annoying way possible (likely unintentionally) I don't know what's worse.

[marsh lark]

They prioritize content, truth is that they should just change their resolution quality from TR or whatever they have to DLSS and FSR to offput technical tax

[tacit gull]

I don't think helldivers is pushing towards realism at all, it's just that some of the team behind it are trying super hard to do random "workaround" balancing instead of directly tackling its issues head on

[tacit gull]

what

[marsh lark]

You have resolution presets ranging from super sampling down to ultra performance. It is meant to act like DLSS and FSR, but it does it's job poorly and doesn't improve performance like DLSS and FSR would

[tacit gull]

i

what

[marsh lark]

It also worsens the image quality a lot more than FSR and DLSS

[vagrant marsh]

I hate when people say how realistic it is.
Like, its just not 😭

[tacit gull]

I don't know who pushed that agenda but it sure worked

[marsh lark]

I am confused about what you're confused about

[tacit gull]

i don't see what this has to do with anything? The game's tech debt isn't in "the resolution setting could be more in depth"

[dense sky]

Well maybe it's not strictly "realism". What they do, and what they themselves called it is the "grunt fantasy". You're getting slapped around more, ragdolled more, guns that are a bit too good and enjoyable to use get completely fucked, weak spots got deleted because people could then KILL the damn things lmao. Anyways.. not helldivers 2 rant lmao. My point is that I don't get the direction RON is taking. For example why is the AI made to be literally hacking. Straight up no recoil, absolutely no regards for their own lifes, just throwing themselves at you while magdumping your head etc.. it's weird.

[tacit gull]

Like yeah sure but the game suffers from a lot worse things than that

[vagrant marsh]

There's one, maybe 2 things realistic about it.
Last I recalled we dont have stims that heal hemorrhages, broken legs, bolts and releases in the RIGHT HAND SIDE of most firearms, mag releases in odd spots, eagle not big enough to fit people.
9h and dont forget about the literal fucking space bugs, robots and cyborg

[tacit gull]

Yet the war strider can now be 3 shot to the legs with an autocannon

[tacit gull]

And the direction for ron is genuienly just content farm with skeleton crew

[marsh lark]

The FPS, driver instability and crashing or sudden network errors infuriate people to the point where any other unwanted changes just make the community pissed

[tacit gull]

3 new maps, ai generated art and writing so no need for artists of any kind beside level designers, 3 new guns that were basically in the game already and some basic qol so its not just 3 maps every update

[tacit gull]

The biggest issue i've had with driver instability was on an rx580 i used to play back when i could barely run the game at 20 fps, and that was a known bug that could be reversed by downgrading.
As for the performance yeah, it isn't great but the game was still so fun that i even played it at single frames

[dense sky]

Yes but why even do the "hard" difficulty at all for example? Like why add something that's fundamentally not functioning properly lmao. They could've churned out the dlcs for the same price without that shitty update. But now the achievements got completely fucked. I cannot realistically even get through the levels on hard AT ALL lmao. Idk it infuriates me, because I love popping achievements.

[tacit gull]

The same reason they added the "arrest cancel" mechanic, so it looks like they're listening to the community even if their feedback doesn't even start to consider what it actually means

The difficulty select is basically the devs spitting in your face whenever you have a complaint about the ai, too hard? just play on standard, because that fixes everything :)

[marsh lark]

I agree the game is fun. I play it to this day, but the undeniable truth is that soon they will begin losing players if it's normal to start dipping below 40 or 50 FPS

[tacit gull]

(doesnt fix anything)

[dense sky]

I guess that's true. I have only thought about it from actual gameplay perspective, not "fucking their own community in the ass" perspective lmao, that's my issue.

[tacit gull]

RON doesn't do gameplay considerations

"yeah we have this super complex grenade stun system that requires grenades to be in specific positions when detonating"
so of course the ai cannot throw grenades anywhere but the middle of the room
but now ai cant even throw grenades inside of rooms anymore so

[green geyser]

Hello so i need help with this bad man whos some FISA agent on greased palms map, hes often so dumb he wont give up even after 10 tazers of flashbangs, and since i cant just kill him due to S rank i cant pass the level, what do i do

[tacit gull]

no we want customisation!!!
the gun fantasy!!!
we want more guns that are functionally identical!!!

because me jorking my red dot on top of my rifle will surely fix all of the issues gameplay wise

[dense sky]

I mean guns are cool to some degree, me likey guns. But like not at the expense of everything else of course.

[glass heart]

the gun system isnt even indepth like at all

so many games do a better job at gunsmiths than ron ever will

[tacit gull]

"swat simulator" as some people claim but we dont even know what a muzzle velocity is

[glass heart]

mfw the sr16 and mk18 do the exact same damage at all ranges

[dense sky]

Yup, they do a decent enough job for an "ARCADE" shooter. lmao

[marsh lark]

I get that people don't like the way the game is, but ultimately you can step away from it. I don't find it myself to be enough to quit the game.

[tacit gull]

mfs be like "gunplay so good" but dont realise the game literally handles exactly like cod 4 and the only good part is the sfx and vfx

[glass heart]

''if you dont like it stop playing'' is not a valid response to criticism for a game though

the people who care are the ones who are gonna criticise the systems and implementation

if they didnt care, they would just stop playing

[marsh lark]

I am not a dev and just a member of the community like you. So my comment is made merely as a consumer

[dense sky]

Realistically though, that's like 80% of gunplay in most games as well.

[glass heart]

ron had the groundwork of something so much greater that it never ultimately became

[tacit gull]

squad and insurgency default dance on this game's guns

i can probably point out atleast 3 roblox games that do the same

but hey atleast its not ground branch

[marsh lark]

As I said, imo. The concerns raised are valid, but don't affect me to a degree that I'd quit. I enjoy the game with my friends and we're fine.

[glass heart]

deadline phantom forces brm5 for a start

and they shit on ron gun customization HARD its not even funny

[tacit gull]

i dont even like brm5's guns but they probably still feel better lmao

[dense sky]

lmaooo

[glass heart]

roblox has lots of very talented devs actually, the main issue is the platform itself and some of the playerbase

[marsh lark]

BRM5 feels jank. The game was better in my eyes during the earlier stages

[tacit gull]

i never played the early stages

that being said the gun and plate customization are top notch

not quite deadline but

youknow

[dense sky]

idk I love insurgency way more than RON of course, but I can't lie, the guns in RON look and sound better for some reason.

[glass heart]

ngl deadline gets to a point where its a little EXCESSIVE

but its still a very impressive system

[marsh lark]

Now the menu is overcomplicated, you can get stuck by missclicking resulting in you having to do everything all over again. Changing the vehicles all over again, removing people's bought items, sometimes the weapon hitreg sucks and there are sometimes no proper collision systems

[tacit gull]

but they FEEL worse

The sound team is absolutely this game's golden boys

i dont think anyone can argue that ron doesn't SOUND amazing

And whoever made the muzzle flash and explosion vfx needs a gold medal

on the other hand whoever skinned the weapon handling system needs a talking to

[marsh lark]

I launched BRM 5 yesterday and it's the 4th fkin time I have to buy items all over again and I wasn't refunded shit from it

[glass heart]

true

recoil is still one of those things ron does way too exagerrated

[fallow kraken]

Is it me or are there no footstep noises from enemies? Do I need to turn my headset up?

[glass heart]

another minor thing that pisses me off is the barrel tilt while yelling for compliance

you wouldnt fuck up your sight picture to yell at someone

[dense sky]

It's funny how a multiplayer game got the FEEL right, but a singleplayer couldn't, even though you're technically balancing just a single side. The bots aren't really ragequitting because the swat officers are too good. LMAO

[tacit gull]

If PVP gets added to this game i pray to GOD that it gets a weapon handling rework

[marsh lark]

You would move your gun albeit slightly

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-close-up-fast-cute-nose-gif-12323738958562735144

me moving my gun slightly when i need to open my mouth

[marsh lark]

Lol

[dense sky]

You probably would, but that's the thing. IRL you can easily anticipate your movements and decide not to do them (thanks basal ganglia). In games I'd rather skip this altogether because you're missing that. Same as to how in racing games your head is stationary rather than flying around the car because yuck.

[tacit gull]

I think the opposite tbh, games that have head shaking simulation aswell as stuff like looking into corners feel fucking amazing

using something like neckfx on assetto corsa is night and day

It's not the same as ron's overexaggerated meaningless motion of doing revolver spins with your gun when you scream because that doesn't give any feedback

its just there to fuck you up

[dense sky]

Sure, but if I compare footage from the flatscreen and when I have a VR headset on, you're missing a LOT of jiggle lmao. And I'm not even in a real car.

[calm carbon]

My biggest issue with RONs gunplay is how I'm not used to the aiming
Guns feel far more uncontrollable

[tacit gull]

I think you'll find that insurgency's guns are a lot more uncontrollable yet still feel better

that game has a lot of camera drift, lots of recoil

to the point where it might even make you miss shots since you're constantly fighting some force

but its soooooo much more engaging

[dense sky]

I mean, irl you just tap anyways. You shouldn't need more than 2-3 bullets per person realistically, IDEALLY if you hit. Ron just kinda sucks bahahah

[void grove]

How good is this games vr

[calm carbon]

Gunplay in Insurgency is it's Best quality for me

Shame the game is treated this way

[tacit gull]

honestly its treated exactly like ron is at this point

except it got left in a much better state AND you dont even need to pay for the maps

[calm carbon]

Unfortunate that the 6 months update model is so disappointing

[tacit gull]

and weirdly enough their team is actually working on modding tools shit so

props to them

meanwhile ron sdk after 1.0

[calm carbon]

I'm on console
I'd hope they can implement something close to Reforger with it's mods

[tacit gull]

You're definetly not getting that

[woeful dove]

ready or not handling, insurgency map design, ground branch customization and ready or not adam ai

I like the animation and handling of RoN

[tacit gull]

I don't, it's really stiff

[woeful dove]

the new animations look great, but now the oldest weapons look stiffy

but if the animations are too "fancy" it takes away from the tactical cause ur operator is busy jerking his fuckin slide on his pistol

[calm carbon]

Crazy how both games managed to make the omnipotent AI thing

[dense sky]

Isn't a new Insurgency being worked on rn ???

[tacit gull]

no

insurgency and nwi are fucking dead

[woeful dove]

make ai reactive, ai becomes john wick, make ai dumb, suspect dying sound

[calm carbon]

FEAR AI

[woeful dove]

all I gotta say is, you give AI the senses that humans have, it will overpower every human

[tacit gull]

thats called map design which ron doesnt really do for ai

[covert hamlet]

The only bad animations I think are from the LSS update. The pepper pistol’s draw animation looks EXTREMELY stiff and amateurish. The rest all look fine in my opinion

[dense sky]

oh oops lmao. Idk I'm enjoying sandstorm, although I did switch to ARMA recently. Which.. bohemia inactive isn't really that much better from RON or Insurgency

[tacit gull]

nah i think bohemia are doing great

just last update we got stuff liks staying on top of vehicles

and sandbags

so you can just build whatever as infantry

[calm carbon]

How's the Gunplay in ARMA reforger ?
It doesn't look good to me but I'd rather hear the opinion of someone who made it

[tacit gull]

they're constantly making changes that are good for the game and its not just forced content that doesn't add anything to the game

[woeful dove]

It's weird to say but day z feels better than arma weapon handling wise to me

[dense sky]

Well it's an interesting world we live in nonetheless.

[dense sky]

I'm mostly stuck on ARMA 3 to be exact, idk didn't play much reforger and I'm also usually piloting helis and stuff. Don't really care much for other guns unfortunately.

[tacit gull]

Its pretty floaty by default, there's not much recoil if you're not using something like an lmg

you also get fucked up really bad if you get hit while aiming to the point where you wont hit anything

there are some mods that make it feel insanely good though

[sudden thorn]

the audio muting is actually annoying me now i keep getting shot in the back because someone runs up behind me and i cant hear them

[woeful dove]

U sure it's not a hardware issue with u

[cedar mulch]

Do you think they’ll add a ‘running’ ability to PvP?

[woeful dove]

pvp needs return

[tacit gull]

probably not

[cedar mulch]

The suspects will get very bored, because they’ll be just as incapacitated as the SWAT team

[tacit gull]

hasn't stopped the 12k people online from playing the game

[hybrid shadow]

I FINALLY GOT IT FOR PC AND FIGURED OUT HOW TO DOWNLOAD MODS FRON NEXUS

[cedar mulch]

They’d be better off making PvP like Sandstorm, where both sides have different gear and different support. That’s the only way to make it distinct.

[dense sky]

I don't think it would fly though.

[tacit gull]

void can't even handle ai balancing, you think they're gonna be able to do it for players? right

[dense sky]

Even if they did, if you think about it. Every piece of equipment/strategy swat uses is to minimize risk. It should be practically impossible for suspects to win. I mean, unless you completely recontextualize the PvP into something different I suppose.

[tacit gull]

It's just gonna be two sides of the same coin gameplay wise, i dont see them doing anything different

[cedar mulch]

But Left Behind have grenades, The Hand have bomb vests, and Los Locos have LMGs, bro.

[tacit gull]

and none of those will be used

[umbral furnace]

In a new america, how do you ||do the frequency thingy with the bomb? the objective fails instantly when i open the courtroom, even if i don't kill the guy||

[tacit gull]

find the transceiver before goin in the courtroom

[umbral furnace]

I have found it though

[tacit gull]

then activate it

[dense sky]

Your guy will comment on it then you can interact with it

[umbral furnace]

do you need to do something other than going into the room and getting the lore? i tried interacting with it but there was no popup

[dense sky]

You have to wait for your character to stop yappin

[warm kernel]

Activate it after clearing most enemies because it's a 3 minute timer

[umbral furnace]

right but if the door is open up there it'll fail instantly if one of your squad goes past it

[warm kernel]

Yeah you leave that door closed, which is what i meant by most enemies

[umbral furnace]

it spawned open though

[dense sky]

I have never seen it spawn opened what lmaooooo

[umbral furnace]

it spawned open and i failed because one of my AI walked in front of it lol

[dense sky]

Idk man, it should be closed. I ran the map pretty extensively for the S rank and I've never seen the door opened by default.

[tacit gull]

yeah well there's your cue to not use the swat ai

[woeful dove]

fuckass triad level so hard on hard bru

[dense sky]

I have given up all hope of ever finishing it on hard lmao.

[woeful dove]

is it normal for some officers to have face masks?

I hired a guy named moore, malik and he comes with a face mask

[sudden thorn]

yeah because even though there’s many other people experiencing the same thing im the sole outlier

Game was working perfectly fine before the update

[balmy patio]

thats usually the default

depends either helmet or face

[woeful dove]

I know but all my teammates including me don't wear one, then this new guy comes in the shotgunner slot I have designated... he looks so tuff

[tacit gull]

my first instinct is to say it's a mod but i haven't played commander in so long that i might be wrong

[balmy patio]

ok i aint gonna lie that dude is mogging you gang

damn he got the fit on

[vagrant marsh]

Some have masks, you can wear one too in MP/Quickplay if you choose any of the "Echo" skins

Bc instead of making an item if clothing in the clothing slot, we'll make 3 different skin pre-sets with a ski mask

[wanton bloom]

M1014 or B1301?

[glass heart]

me when im in a making stupid fucking decisions for no reason competition and my opponent is void

[rocky plover]

statistically b1301, but personally m1014

[glass heart]

theyre the same but the b1301 has slightly less recoil and one more shell

[tacit gull]

we wouldn't want balaclavas to clip right?
(while every other customisation option clips through fucking everything)

[woeful dove]

bro he looks like the og mw2 art 💔

[wanton bloom]

Oh I used the B1301 from the start, guess I made the right choice

[rocky plover]

cos reloading is so bad with b1301

[wanton bloom]

M1014 does look cooler though

[tacit gull]

m1014 is 200% faster to reload

[rocky plover]

yea

[tacit gull]

for -1 ammo capacity

basically

[wanton bloom]

Oh word

[rocky plover]

i'd say it's well worth the less shell anyways

[copper saffron]

im getting this weird bug where when i equip light armor, it equips armor over what i already have on. its like wearing 2 armors at the same time, doesnt provide a beenfit, but looks reallyyy weird. how can i fix it

[rocky plover]

you're always gonna top it off to full anyways

[wanton bloom]

I’ll try it for no good deed then

[balmy patio]

m1014 just cooler

[rocky plover]

not just cooler, also better imo

[glass heart]

keep in mind its active shooter

so just kill suspects on sight with no mercy given

[lilac mural]

Now tried just for fun multiplayer. Actually was three minutes deep hearing crickets because the audio bugged out in stolen valor map 😂😂

[balmy patio]

same, recoil doesnt matter to me too much since i mean, you are using a shotgun

[lilac mural]

It is literally unplayable in multi

[wanton bloom]

Yes I know, I hate the mission

[balmy patio]

either the first shell kills it or you blasting 2 more instantly will regardless of where you shoot, plus they will be staggered usually

[vagrant marsh]

Just wait till your game starts crashing bc you wanted to play w/ friends

[rocky plover]

ye pretty much, i love the faster reload speed with m1014

[balmy patio]

which means you can reload it faster which is what semi autos are for really just to blast all your shells to them

the supposed "weakness" the game gives the m1014 is ammo managment but like

just dont shoot 5 shells on one dude thats it

[lilac mural]

I havent experienced any crashes but it will lag ton when the audio comes back

[balmy patio]

and even the weakest shotgun is still a shotgun on RON so it will still be meta

[rocky plover]

ye deffo, my main shotgun is 590m infact xD, it's still very op

[sudden thorn]

I was literally just about to type that it was somewhat fixed for me as I’ve done 3 missions in a row without having it and right as i start typing that I get it again

[wanton bloom]

No good deed has gotta be my least favorite mission other than greased palms

[sudden thorn]

pump shotguns are worse then the semi auto ones but i like using them way more, especially the 870 i love that gun

[balmy patio]

same

[vagrant marsh]

Saammmee I love how it sounds

[sudden thorn]

Mines probably dorms, just a boring map, used to be buy cheap buy twice but that become a personal favourite after actually learning the map

[balmy patio]

870 is just so drippy and it sounds meaty as hell i use it all the time

[vagrant marsh]

I used it for the furst time ever and literally jumped at how punchy it sounds

[balmy patio]

a shotgun is still a shotgun so it will just deal with everything in this game

[lilac mural]

If you running multi wanna team up?

[vagrant marsh]

That or the fuckin uuhh CQB one, icr the name

[wanton bloom]

Nah I don’t like buy cheap either, dorms is boring but it doesn’t feel unfair

[sudden thorn]

Yeah sure are you on PSN or anything else

I’ll add you on epic if not

[sudden thorn]

Honestly a lot of maps i used to hate like buy cheap, neon tomb and relapse, greased palms and other hard maps like that have become favourites of mine recently i find them challenging but really fun

[lilac mural]

Yeah i have psn its Sakkevili

[sudden thorn]

If i had to say what my least favourite level is it’s either elephant or dorms, elephant solely because of it being entirely rng based

[wanton bloom]

I don’t mind any of those besides greased palms and buy cheap, buy cheap just feels too big and greased palms feels unfair

[sudden thorn]

Sent you the request

[wanton bloom]

Not a huge fan of Narcos either

[woeful dove]

when u die in RoN then remember ur fit fire

[vagrant marsh]

I lowkey do like Greased Palms, once they fix the non surrendering priority suspect it'll be more fun again

[sudden thorn]

Let’s do a private with just us two

[lilac mural]

Yeah got it just but a lobby and ill join

[sudden thorn]

Yeah i don’t like the open back yard areas

[rocky plover]

i love it's reload

[sudden thorn]

I’ll probably have to replay that a few times to see if I like it

[wanton bloom]

Actually no I have a different least favorite, 3 letter triad is my least favorite by far

I blocked it from my memory

[sudden thorn]

Also im using a bit of a strange loadout as i had an urge to larp as a 90s officer so i dont have much ammo as i only gave myself three mags for both my primary and secondary, those being a shotgun and revolver so i dont have much ammo at all, im also using a battering ram

[sudden thorn]

Atleast it’s somewhat exciting and the visuals are nice dorms is just so boring for me thats the one i like the least

Home invasion is a meh dlc for me

[wanton bloom]

I guess but man, it’s too open

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

@lilac mural what missions do you want to do just tell me here

Your mic’s a bit hard to hear the weird filter they put over everyone makes it sound muffled

[sudden thorn]

Let’s do them in chronological order that could be fun

[wanton bloom]

Think the enemies on no good deed are the only ones I won’t go out of my way to try and take alive, even the ones on elephant I’ll try sometimes

[sudden thorn]

I find it funny how the missions d platoon goes on escalate from a gas station robbery to two terrorist attacks killing hundreds back to back

[lilac mural]

Yeah the next one gonna be wild

[sudden thorn]

I think my game froze

[lilac mural]

You crashed?

[sudden thorn]

Goddamnit it’s always freezing on the loading screen I’ll make another lobby

[lilac mural]

Ill just wait in the lobby

You wanna harden it out using just commands?

[sudden thorn]

i do like how you’re using the same outfit im using with a retro fit too i like the theme we’re going with

[sudden thorn]

I mean you can use voice chat I’ll respond to you with commands still I don’t really mind you want to do that though

[undone gazelle]

Don't you guys also thing that more equipment slots would be nice?

[sudden thorn]

Whatever you please

[sudden thorn]

I feel like the amount we have for each armour is perfect they don’t need tweaking

[lilac mural]

Maybe one of us need to use judge because his voice is the only one that has all full lines that plays 😂

[undone gazelle]

I always shoot willy nilly like the suspects from new america do, I have a habbit of running out often.

[wanton bloom]

I have more than enough most of the time

[sudden thorn]

Yeah I find that annoying with how if you arent using him half the voicelines have nothing play and just a sound affect

[undone gazelle]

Prefiring, shooting everything I have in their general direction rather than directly at them.

[lilac mural]

What do you think does the gas launcher fit to the 90’s theme or is it too much

[sudden thorn]

Eh I suppose it could work

[lilac mural]

Ill take it since you have the ram

[sudden thorn]

I’m using both flash and gas grenades with a battering ram, mirrorgun or breach shotgun could work, alr

[sudden thorn]

I like how we’re both using echo banks

[undone gazelle]

Like, I don't know, I just use the general principle of "shoot at the enemy until you know they are dead". If it's me or them, I am always going to go down swinging.

[wanton bloom]

Can the bots secure weapon caches like the orange boxes on ides of March?

[rocky plover]

dont think so at least not automatically, but idk if you can even order them to

[wanton bloom]

Lame

[sudden thorn]

That was clean nice job

time for neon hell

We have got to be extremely slow and careful during this

I might make a whole movement plan actually utilising the maps you can see in the briefings for once

[fickle remnant]

Are there any rp servers foe console?

[lilac mural]

Yeah i have 2 wedges. We need to wedge up the dancefloors main door

Hopefully it is not open

[regal iris]

17/24 suspects neutralized in Programmed Psychosis 😢

[fickle remnant]

Are there any rp servers foe console?

[rocky plover]

i had that like 30 times from around 60 tries until i got it

[wanton bloom]

Spamming the question ain’t gonna get you a response any faster man

[regal iris]

Died on the last floor

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural made a map in the briefing have a look at it, path we will take

[rocky plover]

it;s always the last floor man i swear

that spiral stairs is a death trap

[lilac mural]

Looked its good plan

[regal iris]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

That was what I looked like before dying

[sudden thorn]

Make sure to clear out the whole pool area before going upstairs I forgot to put a few more nodes around that area

We’ve gotta be slow and steady for this

[lilac mural]

Yes

[regal iris]

I cleared the steps but died in the hallway :/

[copper saffron]

why do my loadouts save my character customization too

[vagrant marsh]

@woeful dove that one is a modded in mask

[sudden thorn]

There is no way that happened

[lilac mural]

XDD

Shouldnt have had my flashbang in hand

[sudden thorn]

We actually did that though that wasn’t that bad

can toc shut the fuck up a suspect killed one civilian in crossfire wasn’t our doing

It’s not like there aren’t 100s of people already also dead in there two why is one that special

@lilac mural which entrance in relapse

[lilac mural]

Maybe the one where we get qadamah first

[sudden thorn]

Main lobby, sure

It’s carriers of the vine after this right

[lilac mural]

Yes

Brb

[sudden thorn]

Alr

I feel like this will be easier then neon to be honest I don’t find relapse that hard

[calm carbon]

I think relapse is more annoying than hard

[sudden thorn]

True

It’s just searching for the last suspect/civi, pretty easy map if you spawn main entrance

[calm carbon]

I've had to reply it 3 or 4 times because of this

[sudden thorn]

Yeah it’s pretty annoying and I hope they make a change to that

[frozen hazel]

Lfg playing new America on Hard, Lethal

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/528288127282970624

[lilac mural]

Got one tapped to the dome 😭

[sudden thorn]

Shit that scared me

[sudden thorn]

Let’s retry we can do it

[lilac mural]

Yes

[delicate jasper]

how is everyone

[sudden thorn]

That actually annoyed me my shotgun kept hugging the wall

[marble flume]

which shotgun? I've noticed that not all of them are created equal

[sudden thorn]

870, love it but it’s long as shit and got me killed because it kept rubbing the wall when I tried to shoot some members of the hand

[marble flume]

Not sure how long that one is. I like using the M590m, it doesn't seem too long.

Don't fuckin use the Supernova, its longer than a fucking musket

[sudden thorn]

I love how the supernova feels but yeah it’s really long

I like the pump action shotguns more they have way more of an omph to them

I also love how you can dismember people with buckshots i cant lie seeing a terrorist’s arm or face be completely disintegrated is satisfying

[rocky plover]

590m seems to be the shortest

while 870cqb seems to be the longest funnily enough is has cqb in the name xD

supernova is 2nd shortest tbh

[sudden thorn]

Looks and sounds cool though so I’ll use it
Anything for the larp

Also nice job @lilac mural

[lilac mural]

Always the last civ..

I actually have to run now

[sudden thorn]

Alr

We can do the next few levels tomorrow if we could do that

[lilac mural]

Gg’s lets play tomorrow

[sudden thorn]

have a good day
or night I don’t really know your time right now

[lilac mural]

Its close to midnight now

[sudden thorn]

We did pretty good though for neon tomb
Not so much on relapse but it’s relapse what can we do on that

[sudden thorn]

it’s 21:54 for me

[lilac mural]

SWAT 99 is fun though

[sudden thorn]

I love larping

I should try the integrally suppressed submachine gun that fits the theme well

[lilac mural]

Yeah i had it on the first run but the flashlight is unfortunatelly badly bugged with it

First run of relapse i mean

[sudden thorn]

I’ll just use it with no attachments if I do it looks cleaner that way

[lilac mural]

True

[sudden thorn]

True

I actually forgot I already responded to that I don’t know why I did it again

[rocky plover]

it's fine haha

i main the 590m tbh, just cos the reload is very nice imo

even though it's a pump action

but better than 870 and supernova at least tbh

[sudden thorn]

I just use the pump actions because they feel better to use, semi autos feel weird to me

[rocky plover]

they give more satisfaction ig xD

[sudden thorn]

I love dismembering suspects with the shotguns

[rocky plover]

buckshot op

[sudden thorn]

Slugs are just meh

[rocky plover]

agree, might as well use a rifle

[sudden thorn]

True

[jolly verge]

Do you use choke or brake?

[sudden thorn]

choke

[rocky plover]

i mean dont they both increase the length by the same amount?

12g brake is better though imo

[sudden thorn]

No choke is by a tiny bit doesn’t increase much

[sudden thorn]

I’m just using the choke for the larp really

[rocky plover]

hmm rly? i thought they're both 10% increase

[sudden thorn]

I mean it looks way less I don’t know

[jolly verge]

You don't really need it, both brake and choke increases distance before your gun go up, here's a difference

This is the minimum distance without and with barrel attachment where you can stand before to go into high-ready

[rocky plover]

seems absurd lmao

[sudden thorn]

That helmet looks nice im assuming thats from the supporter edition

[jolly verge]

It is, idk why

[sudden thorn]

I really wish theyd just let people buy it as a dlc they could make im so jealous i missed out on everything in that

[rocky plover]

seems like it has an invisible extended barrel lmao

[wind gyro]

never ever are supporter edition items going public

[sudden thorn]

I wish theyd atleast make my customisation percent 100 then because its stuck at 94 as i dont have the supporter edition items and it annoys me

[floral viper]

Starting my new american hard s rank run (again)
Anyone have any recommendations

[rocky plover]

at least it's not required for dress to impress lmao

[sudden thorn]

True but still

[rocky plover]

but ye i get what you mean xD

[sudden thorn]

The gas masks in it looked cool along with the gun variants they got too

[rocky plover]

shotgun with buckshot
wedges
mirrorgun
crouch peek with free lean
take it super slow
my run took around 1 hour with around 60 restarts lmao

oh and bait suspects wherever you can instead of exposing yourself

[floral viper]

Shotgun buckshot for s rank? Seems a little… Yk lol
Also rn I’m trying to do it with the team

[sudden thorn]

I think he didn’t see the s rank

[rocky plover]

oh ffs idk why i thought you meant for P.P achievement hahaha

[floral viper]

No lol, that’ll be after though

[rocky plover]

definitely m32a1 flash launchers for everyone for S rank

the hardest part is keeping the swat AI alive tbh

they drop like flies on hard mode

even with heavy armor full coverage steel

[floral viper]

What about their perks. I’m not entirely sure how effective intimidator negotiator and pacifier are on MLO suspects but might be good to get some input

[balmy patio]

the 590M sounds the best out of all

[rocky plover]

intimidator is trash

negotiator and pacifier is very good

[balmy patio]

it sounds so damn meaty but i just hate the reload cuz yknow, it being a magazine fed pump

so i use 870CQB alot more

[rocky plover]

but on hard mode i suggest you take 1 armorer and 1 nutritionist

[jolly verge]

2 Negotiators 2 Pacifiers. Using Intimidator on mission where gunshot hearing distance is 50m will disable it right away

[rocky plover]

ye loud af lmao, and i love that it's mag fed ngl

[sudden thorn]

I think the 590 was the main gun I used when I started playing as I did buy the deluxe edition, as well as the HK416 I liked that too

[balmy patio]

just used to shotguns being reloaded shell by shell thats bout it

cuz sometimes when using the 590M i forget to reload lowkey cuz im used to just firing one shell and then reloading it

[floral viper]

Thanks guys. Gonna see how I do for a bit. (Probably gonna be a while tho)

[jolly verge]

Good thing only supernova has this issue

[rocky plover]

i quickly got used to using it like a rifle (for reloading xD)

[rocky plover]

oh good, never used that and probably never will lol

[calm carbon]

What are your favourite PDWs ?
Mine is the MP 7

[sudden thorn]

I did like using the supernova initially but that was probably only because of the cool name and how it looked

[rocky plover]

same

[sudden thorn]

I don’t really like any of them to be honest I never use them

[undone gazelle]

Mmm couldn´t answer that, I dont use PDW rifles myself.

[rocky plover]

never liked pump actions tbh until 590m came around

[calm carbon]

You guys should Def try them
Their rate of fire Saved me a ton of times

[sudden thorn]

I like the p90 but thats it probably

[covert hamlet]

I don’t know why but the P90 feels a lot weaker than the MP7 even though statically their ammo types are nearly identical

I think it might be sound design of something

[calm carbon]

Yeah I feel I should get the P90 because it has 10 more bullets but whenever I try it it's meh

[rocky plover]

mp7 is much easier to control tbh

but the p90 is shorter

[sudden thorn]

I love the revolver but it feels so weak for some reason, probably because im using jhp but it feels like it barely does a dent into people even with its ammo type

[rocky plover]

magnum with JHP only defeats L1 armor

[undone gazelle]

O, one thing I´ve just noticed since I drop like 15 frames when viewing body cams, lowering UI to minimum helps a ton.

[sudden thorn]

Anything for the larp

[rocky plover]

fair point xD

[sudden thorn]

Usually I pull out the revolver whenever I have to go through a tight doorway, if a suspects there I’ll hopefully be able to shoot their limbs or head

Although that never happens I always go for centre mass usually

And I get shot in the face because of that

[hearty coral]

i accidently blew the old ladies arm off in ends of earth

[sudden thorn]

self defence

[hearty coral]

i feel so bad

[sudden thorn]

Don’t be she was reaching

most likely

[hearty coral]

she was making wierd noises that sound like the things the bombers say in neon tomb

i was scared of being blown up by a granny

[brazen girder]

what the hell bro

i shot this guy 8 times with beanbag and he didnt give up

[hearty coral]

punch him

[brazen girder]

i died cuz a guy shot me from behind

[inland jewel]

Whats with people wanting to blast civs every chance they get?

Is it a meme?

[brazen girder]

how do i punch ppl

[marble flume]

Intimidator is great for stealth, although "stealth" can be pretty hard to actually use or take advantage of

[rocky plover]

ye that's the thing though plus negotiator and pacifier just do it better

[marble flume]

Guaranteeing that your headass doesn't get lit up can be nice though.

Still, its only peak on some maps like Sins of the Father and Ides of March, it does basically nothing on Greased Palms and actually nothing on maps like Neon Tomb

[rocky plover]

yeah true

[marble flume]

I will say, I don't think Negotiatior is bad, but I DO think Pacifier is just better in every way

[brazen girder]

holy these ai teammates cant be this dumb hes walking infront of 3 suspects

how the fuck do i get s tier in sinuous trial if these teammates keep killing themself

[marble flume]

Negotiator is cool and all, but you can only roll that 50% chance once, while Pacifier rolls the 50% chance on every stun

[marble flume]

easily

don't use them lmao

[brazen girder]

then i die

[marble flume]

I recently did Sinuous Trail on Hard difficulty with an S rank, and I solo'd the entire map

I forget if I used Intimidators (pretty sure I did) because I cleared the vast majority of the map with a Taser. I think I had two Intimidators and two Negotatiors?

[brazen girder]

did u start from the top

[sudden thorn]

they didn’t past cop school

[brazen girder]

or main door

[marble flume]

I forget the order I went in, honestly, but Intimidator prevents enemies from shooting at you instantly, and you can kinda just sprint up to them with a Taser and blast em with it.

You can also yell one time if you're using Negotatior officers to try and proc that

[drowsy furnace]

Fk game fix the iA

[brazen girder]

alr ig imma try solo

[marble flume]

The AI's never getting fixed lmao

[brazen girder]

im so doomed

[marble flume]

you can be pretty sneaky on Mindjot with a mirrorgun and a taser, since the SWAT AI have really no concept of "stealth"

[sudden thorn]

I really hope they change it so that misclicking shout doesn’t have judge scream his position out

[rocky plover]

did they really buff gas just to nerf it again with the last patch? lmao

[jolly verge]

I don't think they nerf it again

[marble flume]

I think they might've lmao, it wasn't even that good when it was buffed and now I literally had an enemy just sit on top of a gas grenade and it didn't do shit to him

[candid dove]

Doing ANA on hard solo is just masochism.

[rocky plover]

ye it's taking so long for effect

[candid dove]

It usually takes about 6 seconds for effect

[rocky plover]

way worse when it was actually nerfed

[marble flume]

takes about 3.5 seconds for CS Gas to stun a target, during which they'll just walk out of it and nothing happens

[rocky plover]

ye and it was 2s with nerf (before 0.5s)

so it is even worse now if its 3.5s

[covert hamlet]

The LSS update broke CS gas and boiling point restored it back to pre-console release stats except for the spread being 1 meter smaller. It’s essentially nearly the same as it was pre-console nerf

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

i know all that but this patch made it even worse than LSS update bruh

[covert hamlet]

Did the latest hotfix touch CS gas? I thought they basically did nothing but minor mp fixes

[rocky plover]

boiling point had made it to around 1.5s to stun, it's now at 3.5s or so lol

[jolly verge]

They just set 7 meters range and 15 stun damage per tick (30 per second)

I'm pretty sure it was 3.5 seconds since BP update

[rocky plover]

in that case they made it even worse than LSS update?

just buffed range and nerfed stun/second even more

[jolly verge]

Yes

[rocky plover]

aiiight lmao

[jolly verge]

Pre-LSS stun damage per tick was 100, now it's only 15

[marble flume]

I like how pepperball guns only work on civilians at this point

[rocky plover]

i miss when it was 200 (0.5s for stun) xD

[covert hamlet]

I just saw the spreadsheet was changed my bad.

[brazen girder]

on sinuous trail how do i clear out the like place with tons of data stuff

[covert hamlet]

Why do they keep shitting on CS gas what is wrong with VOID

[marble flume]

you're probably better off on the first floor than the second floor

honestly, its possible that I just got insanely fuckin lucky

[royal ether]

Send your team in the bottom, shoot bangs in from the top

[brazen girder]

how do i get them to clear the whole bottom floor instead of just one door

[royal ether]

Uhh they'll clear out just the room

but there's one really fucked room that I assume you're talking about with a ton of servers and the AI struggle in there since they all completely split up and tend to get shot in the bac

[brazen girder]

yea that room

its like a maze

nearly died

[jolly verge]

They don't know how their own game is working
Like look at this

What limbs

[glass heart]

more protection on limbs
no the fuck it doesnt
slower movement
Only acceleration

[rocky plover]

Hahahaha ikr and acceleration is dependant on material type and number of plates not heavy Vs light xD

[bright belfry]

i was talking shit to people who said hard mode was too hard and i take everything i said back to those guys. theres a difference between legitimate difficulty and bullshit

this game is bullshit

[rocky plover]

Heavy front only and light front only can be with same acceleration with the same plate type xD

[brazen girder]

finally i got s tier on sinuous trail

[lone musk]

Just finished an attempted S run on 23 Megabytes a Second got so close didn't do a soft objective and only 1 peice of evidence I didn't secure no dead just those 2 things, got A+.

Also haven't played RoN in awhile

[rocky plover]

Never force end a mission if you want S rank

Means you're missing something if it doesn't end automatically

[lone musk]

Yeah I'm kinda stupid for that but I felt I was soo close and haven't played it in awhile first mission I got no dead I'm pretty sure

No dead anyone I mean

[rocky plover]

Oh i see, welcome back!

[lone musk]

Thanks

[brazen girder]

im struggling with getting s on hard mode there

1 little peek and im gone

[lone musk]

I tried it on standard

[void grove]

Is the vr for this game good

[brazen girder]

yea i got s on standard on it

[wanton kite]

anyone know what's up with the "Say Hello to My Little Friend" achievement because apparently i have never stunned someone with the M320

[lone musk]

There's a vr game of it?

[rocky plover]

With a mod

[lone musk]

Oh

[void grove]

The mod

[lone musk]

Closest I've seen to an actual full game of it in vr is Split Second pretty early in development little janky but I have had fun with it

Also yesterday I saw a video on YouTube where someone said CS gas launcher and taser is real good for S runs then I got an itch to play RoN so I did today and hey I got soo close to an S

[rocky plover]

Cs gas is okay, but flash and stingers are much stronger imo right now

Taser is a very good backup

[lone musk]

Yeah just experimenting

But best S run loadut I've found, of course I took my liberties on choosing everything else but the taser and CS launcher

Also again first mission where everyone survived, suspects civilians and my own officers and I, but I'm not sure if any Less Lethal loadout I use will be able to get me an S on Greased Palms

[rocky plover]

Should try the m32a1 flash launcher in primary slot lol

Makes S runs a breeze

[lone musk]

Yeah I equipped on for oneof my officers and now I'm thinking quite a bit about it

Also I like to think of our suspects just looking at heavily armed SWAT officers weilding what they probably think is a full on gernade launcher hehhehe

[rocky plover]

Beanbag is also very good, much better than pepperballs at least, but the flash launcher just makes it so much easier lol

[glass heart]

reminds me of that one mayor of kingstown scene

basically the sociopath leader of the local swat team blows up some ABs with an m32

[lone musk]

Heard bean bag is not best for S runs but I've only heard a lot of shots to anywhere but there head and a shot or 2 to there head will kill em

So I'll think about it

[rocky plover]

The best part about flash launcher is it doesn't require perfect aim, has AoE effect so can get more than 1 suspect with 1 shot, instant stun as well

[rocky plover]

Headshot can kill them yes, but if you avoid headshot with it it's very good, also AI can't headshot with it

Body shots won't kill them

[lone musk]

Alright but I'm not sure if I should go with heavy armour for more protection or light for more ammo for the launcher since I learned you run out of ammo fast with those things on my attempted S run

[rocky plover]

Depends how confident you are and how well you know the maps id say

Personally light armor is enough tbh and the extra 2 slots make a huge difference for me

Plate material type is more important id say than what type of armor

[lone musk]

To sn experienced player I'm probably dogs**t I haven't even completed Sins of Our Father but with my new less lethal loudout wellll maybe if I'm smart about it

[rocky plover]

An example would be, light armor with steel plates protects you better than heavy armor with ceramic plates

Given that you don't get shot to your sides with light armor since it doesn't have side plates

[lone musk]

And another thing is I'm on Xbox so I use a controller but I've found and I'm pretty sure that doesn't really matter

[rocky plover]

Well at the end of the day just practice, practice, practice

[lone musk]

Indeed

Well now I'm having a rush of playing RoN a lot more now, crud this will entail a lot of crashing out... well what needs to be done to scratch this itch I have now must be done

Time to make that pre order if this game worth it again till I inevitably am drained and very pissed off

But first I'm gonna take a break

And at the least I remember that Greased Palms is hell and to not try it if I'm already pissed off (I have anger issues) because I don't want to destroy my Xbox Series S that can can allow me to play half the games I have

And many that are my favorite cough, cough Fallout New Vegas, Helldivers 2, goat Simulator 3, TABS, and RoN

[hollow nova]

greased palms is not hard

[lone musk]

Well I find difficulty with it sorry

Didn't know it was offensive to have difficulty with doing things

[narrow gust]

for mainly playing solo for me (through my own runs) run in with light armour and use those slots in dedicating towards flash launcher ammo for doing ranks s runs massively helps, but if your running in with a normal weapon you can get away with a couple magazines and putting on heavy armour and a couple door wedges (also the wand is useful), but for me I'm stuck on the hospital level due to 5 AI being in 1 room at once and screwing me over, despite having flash launcher

[mellow gyro]

Todo must be cag as fuck

[lone musk]

Also I have only played for around 16 hours, also sorry I don't dedicate my life to RoN

[hollow nova]

i AM so cag

[hollow nova]

did NOT know where you got that from but ok

[lone musk]

Sure

[mellow gyro]

Dudes wild 😂

[sudden thorn]

mfs just be saying shit for no reason

it is a hard map even when you learn the layout because of the multiple angles you can be shot from with also the vast open wide areas too

Not to mention the clusterfuck that is the inside of the post office

[mellow gyro]

That’s what we’re all thinking

[lone musk]

Fr

[sudden thorn]

People will beat a hard level they’ve took 30 tries to do and say “you all suck this level is so easy”

[dense sky]

me when I lie

[hollow nova]

me when im bad

[dense sky]

0/10 ragebait my cortisol levels remain freakishly low

[sonic tendon]

Is the GA416 assault rifle any good?

[novel badge]

Imean it's not very hard, just annoying with all the nooks and crannies if you're not used to the beanbag, if youre not going s tier its pretty much js a slightly harder mindjot imo

[hollow nova]

flash launcher in question

[novel badge]

Its good yeah, just use what you prefer tbh, in the end if you can get shots in better with one weapon thats more important

[novel badge]

Flash launcher is js cheating imo, take enough ammo and you can prefire almost every room on a lot of maps

[chilly needle]

I have s rank elephant and stopped playing the game for a bit, now playing it with a friend if can't find any of the bombs in every spawnpoint?
Are they bugged?

[dense sky]

why didnt I think of that

[novel badge]

The m320 doesnt have anything wromg with it cus it's js one single shot and has limited ammo

[novel badge]

embrace the pain of RoN and use taser only on every map on hard mode

[sonic tendon]

thanks dude it means a lot

[dense sky]

fuck the game honestly lmao

[novel badge]

Get a merge of programmed psychosis and hanged man on every map

[novel badge]

Fuck it, I'll never stop playing but fuck it

The addiction is real

[chilly needle]

Anyone

[dense sky]

I have no clue honestly

[chilly needle]

I just found then so im good

[novel badge]

Not that I know of, I did it just today with some friends and we found the bombs just fine

Like literally 3 hours ago

[dense sky]

The only reason I even launch it from time to time is achievements, I love hoarding achievements but fuck these ones honestly.

[novel badge]

RoN is the only game where I've actively started hunting achievements

I only going back to it like 3 weeks ago

But I got like 36 fkn hours in 5 days

[dense sky]

I always go out of my way to get them and then find out that there's some glitched achievement or smth that literally fucks everything up, or there's this one fuckass achievement that'd just take way longer than I'm willing to put into it. Honestly in RoN it's the Ironman ones. I don't feel like doing that at all.

[novel badge]

Ohyeah fair

I justed started attempting the hermit yesterday

Its gonna be absolute hell

[dense sky]

good luck with that I guess

[heavy jewel]

FUCK i suck at this

[novel badge]

Dont worry everyone does unless youre using genuine stuff like CQB and have teamwork that rivals genuine swat teams

Well, not really but nobody's actually consistent

[heavy jewel]

Oh my god OH MY GOD one of my BOT TEAM MEMBERS KILLED A CIV

AND now my game crashed

[umbral furnace]

A new america starting to get on my nerves

[drowsy furnace]

Fr

[umbral furnace]

95% of the map is fine but whichever designer thought that last staircase up to the courtroom was a good place to put like 7 doors with enemies behind them should be punished

It feels completely random if you try to do it solo or with the campaign ai

it would also be significantly less frustrating if it didn't take at least 25 minutes to reliably get there without losing anyone

[lone musk]

OH YEAH I FINALY DID IT, I GOT MY FIRST S! It was on Twisted Nerve on standard in single player so I had my AI teammates. Did it now after a total of 21 hours and 16 minutes I got an S.

[mellow gyro]

That’s wild, for me the top floor is easy but the first floor is why most of my runs for that solo hard achievement ended

[umbral furnace]

I find the first 2 floors really easy but the part where you're just coming up those stairs is so random

at least 75% of my attempts i'll clear that floor only to get shot in the back the moment i start restraining people, but if you clear the side rooms first they'll all stand up again

[lone musk]

Now that I got my first S I'm gonna take a good dayish break from ready or not, now that I know I can get an S I might try to get an S on some of the harder levels. Oh it feels good to get my first S.

[woeful dove]

anyway to make ready or not's combat music work better? I feel like it's delayed to what actually happens

[mellow gyro]

That’s actually a very good point, I’d look into mods. I know there’s mods that change the dispatch communication, and officer dialogue while yelling for compliance, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a music mod that would also effect the timing

[novel badge]

HELL YEAH, good map to get your first S tier on well done, most people would just do thank you come again.

Did you use a dedicated nonlethal loadout or no?

[lone musk]

Thanks! and I did use a nonlethal loadout that I was able to make from advice from some videos I saw online and some people in this server.

[nimble ravine]

Next get S rank on Idles Of March for the glorious spectacles

[lone musk]

Tried to go for an S run on Thank you, come again. But I didn't choose the best equipment for it and botched the 2 attempts I made, well I completed em just didn't get S because 1 guy decided to resist a little to much so I decided to try 23 Megabytes a Second, was 1 soft objective and 1 unsecured peice of evidence away but got A+ and thought to do the next one which was Twisted Nerve

[pulsar lake]

So why, after 2 years of not playing the game, I come back and hit reg is still atrocious?

[mellow gyro]

With shotguns I agree, but my mk18 as been two tapping consistently

[novel badge]

Yeah I agree, its been hitting consistently and all shottys have been kinda bad apart from the beanbag which im somehow better at hitting suspects with than a genuine rifle

[lone musk]

I'm thinking about it as well as the rest of the missions best I've gotten for that one is an A+ but let's just say at the time my brain didn't think that less lethal would be, how do say it, oh yes, effective.

[novel badge]

Hell yeah, mind sharing that loadout?
Im curious to see what you got

[novel badge]

Okay so you hit Y when it popped up on 23MB?
Like when the option to soft complete came up you js did that?

[nimble ravine]

Just dkoooo itttttt

[lone musk]

Getting screenshots

[novel badge]

Alrr

[lone musk]

Also yes I did, haven't played in awhile and st that time of today I didn't remember that if you get everything done it goes straight to post debrief screen thing

[novel badge]

Ohh yeah that checks out then

[lone musk]

I feel reguivinated knowing now I can get an S

[drowsy furnace]

Try a new america is friendly and easy

[pulsar lake]

Idk man still kinda bad with ARs. Relapse is kicking my ass because my slugs into their sternum do nothing, same for 3 bullets in the torso

Definitely better than 2 years ago, but definitely still ridiculous to still have these issues

[lone musk]

Wait crap right you can't send screen shots in this channel

[novel badge]

Send in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[lone musk]

Just did it

[novel badge]

Still need to get around to that, finishing up all s tiers first before I even think of attempting ANA, on triad rn but boiling point is gonna be pure hell

[lone musk]

Found out from some other people in the server the M32A1 Flash is better than the M32A1 Gas

And it seems so

I'm gonna take a break now

[novel badge]

Charlie doesnt get a ballistic mask lol?
Also hes got another slot open but otherwise thats decent shit

[novel badge]

I personally don't like using it because if you take enough ammo you can cheese your way through a lot of missions by just shooting everything

[lone musk]

I thought with his kit it looks better

[novel badge]

But yeah the flash is miles better than the gas

[lone musk]

And oh yeah he does

Lemme fix that real quick

Now tha empty slot is another 9 bamger

3 Nine Banger Flash Grrnades!

[novel badge]

Any missions youve got your eyes on for the next s rank?

[lone musk]

Idk I'm gonna check

Probably gonna try to go for Sins of The Father but I haven't even completed it succsesfully once so yeah gonna be intresting again when I do try to go straight for the S

Also I'm gonna wear the Hatching tattoo on Judge with pride because I earned it

[novel badge]

Oh damn good look

[lone musk]

And also because Twisted Nerve as of a Hour ish ago is my first S

[novel badge]

Id say thats quite a jump in difficulty

Depending on how you look at it

[nimble ravine]

Just do them one after the other

[lone musk]

Yeah I'll need it, a bit ago I mixed of Ides of March for Sins of The Father lol

[novel badge]

Yeah thatd your best option

[nimble ravine]

don’t go jumping from mission 1 to mission 9 or vise versa

[novel badge]

Go back to thank you come again and just work your way down

[nimble ravine]

yeah, what he said

[lone musk]

I'll decide if I'm gonna countinue doing the missions I've completed but not gotten an S in before Sins of The Father or just to try and get an S in Sins of The Father then try in the rest

I'm gonna stick to standard difficulty considering it took me 21 whole hours to get 1 S mission

[novel badge]

I genuinely dont encourage it because sins of the father can be one hell of a tedious map, if you wanna do s tiers id say do all the missions a few times first and then work your way down

[nimble ravine]

I only play on hardmode and so far I’ve s ranked from mission 1 to 8

[novel badge]

Only play on hard mode? 😭
I bow down to you

[nimble ravine]

Yeah, me and my buddy got s rank on greased palms on hard mode, shits hell

[lone musk]

Yeah now I'm pretty ceartin I'm gonna do that, all was leading up to this get S missions on 1 mission then get em on all aka the grind

[novel badge]

Holy shit

[nimble ravine]

now imma wear this stupid tattoo all the time lol

[novel badge]

I was gonna do everything apart from boiling point on standard s rank, then work my way back down on hard mode and then do boiling point cus fuck that

[lone musk]

Holy crap that must have been hell

[novel badge]

Maybe do hermit in between

[nimble ravine]

I’ve only played s ranked hard mode so I haven’t even completed the game despite having many hours in it lol

[novel badge]

Cus I js want that fuckin watch so I can flex on my friends

[nimble ravine]

Lmao

[novel badge]

How many hours are we speaking

[nimble ravine]

I’ll get that next

[lone musk]

I dont wanna know

[nimble ravine]

200+ fuck the mindot center

[novel badge]

LMAOOOO

[nimble ravine]

besides greased palms fuck that map

[novel badge]

Im only on 127 off the top of my head

[lone musk]

Fuckin hell

[novel badge]

Did fucking 37 hours in the last 2 weeks (5 days)

[nimble ravine]

Sheeeesh

[lone musk]

My lord and I've played for 22 hours and 43 minutes

[nimble ravine]

You’re gonna love mindot and greased palms s rank

it’s gonna be easier on standard mode but still

[novel badge]

I can't wait for june

[lone musk]

Yeah I'm sure I'm gonna break something trying that.... my anger issues for that will be my greatest enemy

[nimble ravine]

Idles of March ain’t that bad just get your CQB in order

[novel badge]

My parents are leaving for 3 weeks

[nimble ravine]

Don’t break anything. Trust

[novel badge]

I love how you keep saying idles of march

[oak dove]

is there any way to set "open and clear with leader" as the default command for opening doors? I can't find it in the settings menu.

[waxen tartan]

Probably not if its not in the menu already

[nimble ravine]

You don’t wanna spend $300 on another monitor and then fucking you over cause “oh um you didn’t get the right warranty” you know damn well I got the right warranty this time

[novel badge]

I genuinely sometimes do it naturally and other times I just rush straight into a room

[lone musk]

I'm not sure how I'm not, it was hell for me getting B on Greased Palms

[novel badge]

I need to get my CQB in order tho im not sure how exactly tho

[nimble ravine]

Funny thing I’m fairly knew to mouse & keyboard but it’s been so long since I’ve played with a controller so I’m sticking to mouse and lowkey I’m getting cracked

[lone musk]

Also which mission is at the Mindjot place?

[nimble ravine]

Watch videos online, like real life videos or video game ones. I can send you links

[nimble ravine]

I dunno the one with a bunch of cp on the servers lmao

[lone musk]

So Sinious Trail I'm pretty sure

[nimble ravine]

You would be correct

[novel badge]

I used to rage so much from like ages 0-16, and now im 17 im kinda js s ranking ready or not and it taught me that you js need to get gud, if you fail in this game more than half of the time its your own damn fault

[lone musk]

Nice what do I win?

[novel badge]

Now I just stare at my screen in dissapointment

[nimble ravine]

Ready or not s rank attempts

[novel badge]

Id greatly appreciate it

[lone musk]

NOOOOOOO!

[nimble ravine]

https://youtu.be/ZJhh0In6jDo?si=mSH_gSxsviGnOdJB

[novel badge]

Secretly ip grabbing with every link

[nimble ravine]

Watch his other videos though as well cause this is a bit more complicated

[lone musk]

But also yes

[novel badge]

This one makes sense tho, but I will

[lone musk]

Now I'm thinking of ironman/commander mode thing all S missions run eughh

[nimble ravine]

It’s funny because CQB is really simple, but it’s also really complicated

[lone musk]

I'm gonna try to go for S on all the missions I've done tommorow to prepare

[novel badge]

Its easy to grasp

But hard to put into practice

[lone musk]

OH MY GOD, ITS THE HASHBROWN CAT

[lone musk]

AHHH

[lone musk]

That hashbrown cat revolt thing last summer was, let's say intresting

[waxen tartan]

Don't bother achievement is broken

[junior marsh]

Hearing the swat officers in a new america mission get shot over radio

[lone musk]

There was a whole server created for th hashbrown cat revolt thing it still is up but I think I left it

Ahhh memories

[novel badge]

You're kidding

Tell me youre kidding

[lone musk]

I'm gonna be pissed if it is

[hearty coral]

Real

[lone musk]

Dammit hate how it auto corrects pissed as passed

[waxen tartan]

Nope i finished my like last week and still didn't get the trophy

[lone musk]

Damn ashame that must have felt like a straight gut punch

[waxen tartan]

Ehh probably kick in eventually, it is what it is ?

[lone musk]

Guess so

[arctic mural]

Does AI can see our lasers?

Like normal lasers?

[lone musk]

Pretty sure they can heard they can from somewhere

[novel badge]

Fuckin hell I'll stop my attempt then

[arctic mural]

I didn't know that. I'll run with IR lasers next time

[nimble ravine]

Exactly but me so goated twin

[novel badge]

Sure buddy

[novel badge]

FUCKIN BLOODBORNE OST?

[nimble ravine]

uh

maybe

[novel badge]

Your music

[nimble ravine]

I mean, I can send you the playlist I’m listening to

[covert hamlet]

No they cannot

They cannot see any lasers at all

Only flashlights

[arctic mural]

Oh okay. Thanks

[covert hamlet]

Don’t listen to the other guy. You can easily prove this yourself by playing any level and keep the laser on the entire time. They don’t see lasers what so ever and you can go to replay mode to watch via freecam.

[waxen tartan]

I heard they can only see flashlights not lasers

[arctic mural]

Ok thanks

[halcyon sentinel]

How do I get S rank without audio?

[nimble ravine]

By locking in duh

[lone musk]

Alright thanks I honestly thought they could.

[lost inlet]

No.

Only flashlight.

[dire raft]

anyone know what the S.B.A.G.S trait is ?

[lost inlet]

reduce morale damage.

[dire raft]

nice i just unlocked that

[lost inlet]

no wait, it's reduced stress gained for your SWAT bots by 20%, 35%, 40% and 55%.

useless trait.

[flint minnow]

What is the best way to S rank Elephant, its the only mission im supper trash at

[lost inlet]

rush.

[slim fern]

only 4 suspects, 10 mins to defuse 2 bombs, you got this

you get 2 mins before they start shooting civilians

[flint minnow]

my issue is usually finding them before they go full columbine

i see, maybe im just being to careful

[slim fern]

yep. its not like there are traps (at least on standard difficulty). Just run and gun, if you play it enough their spawnpoints start to become memorizable

[lost inlet]

start on the side instead of the front so you can sweep the whole place in one go.

[somber monolith]

rush to your death

[bright belfry]

spawn at the secondary spawn theres normally a guy inside the science lab type area right after the back double doors

[slim fern]

or 2

[somber monolith]

i usually go left from the first spawn

[slim fern]

then theres maybe 1-2 at the stairwell with a bomb

[somber monolith]

clear up the library, the kitchen and then towards lecture hall

[flint minnow]

ok, so rush from the side sprint like i have no armour, well, Ready or not here i come.....

[bright belfry]

actively compling clips of utter bullshit during my 100% of the game

looking to be a 3 hours video of one second frame deaths

[somber monolith]

dont you mean 98% because my eyes is unachievable

[bright belfry]

are deadass?

[flint minnow]

ive got A+ - S on almost every mission except this one which i have a D...... lmao

[somber monolith]

yes you cant do my eyes it burns

[bright belfry]

homie just did it yesterday

[somber monolith]

wait nvm

its fixed

time to badge hunt

[flint minnow]

that achievment looks like hell tbh

[somber monolith]

lightwork

[flint minnow]

my goal is just to finish every level with an S rank on hard lol

[somber monolith]

i did programmed psychosis and sleeper agent

this is just rng

[slim fern]

Man HOW. Sleeper agent is just as bs as Programmed Psychosis

are you incapacitating them or getting them surrendered

[flint minnow]

oh so you just have to go lone wolf for programmed psycosis?

doesnt look like it needs a specific rank, just to finish it

[somber monolith]

yea

[flint minnow]

well cleared first floor, then got shot through a door ugh...

can you pickup wedges to use again?

[nimble ravine]

Yea

At least I think so

[somber monolith]

arrest cancel

[somber monolith]

use no crack

[flint minnow]

starting to wonder if the heavy armour is worth the reduced slots

[nimble ravine]

It’s not

It just goes you side plates

The armor type is what you should be focused on. Also give full heavy armor to your AIs

[flint minnow]

going solo lone wolf atm, there is no AI 💀

[lost inlet]

yes.

[nimble ravine]

don’t use heavy armor, it ain’t worth the 11 slots and side plates

plus the speed reduction you get

[woeful dove]

Is La Suenos Police department underpopulated

[mystic palm]

Underfunded

[woeful dove]

We have so much weapons tho

[mystic palm]

The whole money goes to d platoon equipment

[woeful dove]

Are we like the sent angels to clear out los seonos? Do the other officers do anything lmao

Valid

[hybrid shadow]

😭 bro popped out of a corner and I magdumped him with a lmg

[hybrid shadow]

I don’t think I reacted enough tbh😭

[flint minnow]

what do you guys think is best for stopping power SA-58, or super nova, im personally leaning towards the SA seems to be the best gun for stopping most things in 1 shot, although the 50 cal pistol is also interesting

[lost inlet]

buckshot.

just because how easy it is to one shot everything.

[tulip mountain]

@flint minnow I cant use the .50 cal even though its in my weapons locker

[rocky plover]

I would prefer ga51 or g3a3 over the sa58, sa58 has the most recoil out of the 7.62x51 weapons but they are not that good on hard mode imo, as for shotguns they are all very OP with buckshot as they can kill in 1 shot as well on hard

[flint minnow]

till it has armour lol, then its like they just wipe the pellets off haha

[rocky plover]

Ofc semi auto allows follow up shots better than pumps but they're still good

[lost inlet]

shoot the limbs. You have to have to actively aiming at the belly for every pellets to hits the armored part.

[rocky plover]

Staggers them enough for a follow up shots

[flint minnow]

hmm, i see, might have to try that, ill just have to take ALOT of extra ammo lol

[lost inlet]

just aim at chest or neck level is enough.

[rocky plover]

Also gg void gas is even worse than with the LSS nerf

[lost inlet]

they shadow nerfed gas?

[rocky plover]

Yea 3.5s to stun worst it's ever been

[novel anchor]

Can you give me some advice on how to complete the "Not Against Bribes" mission on Hard difficulty?

[rocky plover]

Was 0.5s originally, then 2s with LSS nerf, then buffed to 1.4s now nerfed to 3.5s to stun.....

[lost inlet]

i think void is learning from narrowhead.

[flint minnow]

Alt F4 saviour of squad members what shit goes south fast

[opaque zealot]

theyre balancing the game like MLO are the ones paying $50

[sand girder]

yo if i complete all levels multiplayer with my friend, and its my friends first time playing, does he unlock all those levels in commander single player mode? Please help!

[lost inlet]

game is not anti-player enough so they're gutting everything even further.

[opaque zealot]

hopefully they retweak jt

would love a qol update for commander/quickplay bc the way the swat ai still fails some functions is insane

[rocky plover]

he unlocks them in quickplay, for commander mode its a new save everytime, so gotta go through all the missions in unlockable order for each new save

[novel badge]

Triad is fucking me up the ass holy shit

It doesnt help that I pulled an all nighter

[novel badge]

Oh no wonder I was playing on hard without knowing it

[hybrid belfry]

haha same

I almost cried during S ranking Greased Palms

[novel badge]

Took me way too many attempts

How long did it take you

[hybrid belfry]

like 3 attempts

but it was hell

[novel badge]

Okay then wth are you talking abt

[hybrid belfry]

30 mins each attempt always died at the end

[flint minnow]

fuck me that was pure rage, took away the wedge, clicked to stack my guys, he opened the door, i was stuck in the menu thing and couldnt shoot the bastard

[wide scaffold]

Just got shot through a shield 🔥

Can we remove the fucking 10 second slowmode

Dear lord it's annoying

[undone gazelle]

Yeah the shield is noticeably janky at stopping rounds sometimes but I believe that is by design with higher calibre weapons, I'm no expert.

I'd recommend wearing heavy ceramic armor with full coverage to minimise / prevent damage received.

[flint minnow]

sometimes i swear hardmode is there just to rage bait you, guy with no armour gets hit from less than 4m away with a beanbag, yet manages to keep sprinting and aim perfectly and hit you with his pistol

[undone gazelle]

So with you there, 5 frickin 40 mm flashbang rounds to make one guy surrender.

[flint minnow]

hmm, that doesnt make sense, i had 2 wedges, and wedged 4 doors >.>

[rocky plover]

1 slot of wedge or c2 = 2 (they come in pairs)

[flint minnow]

good to know

[hybrid belfry]

Why I got achivment for S ranking every Boiling Point level even though

i completeted ONE

[wide scaffold]

If 3 letter triad is THAT bad how bad is ANA 😭

[hybrid belfry]

Well yeah it sucks only because of open spaces

[novel badge]

W bug

[hybrid belfry]

but i want to do it fair

[wide scaffold]

Apparently thugs who are going to die from overdose in 2.5 minutes see in dark better than trained swat officer with experience longer than those thugs lifes

[rocky plover]

tbh i hate 3lt more than ana, but they're both hard

[lost inlet]

No bullet can penetrates shield. It’s the janky hitbox and your character tweaking out.

[wide scaffold]

Nah those gangesters jsut got military grade ammunition

Its in the new update

[lost inlet]

#👮ron-discussion message

[gritty vessel]

I just noticed, Ready or Not has disabled the Family Share option, is there a reason for that?

[wide scaffold]

My theory is true trust

[wide scaffold]

Cuz after console release void got 15x more evil ig

And greedy

[gritty vessel]

Damn

[sudden thorn]

yes

[rocky plover]

lol that msg is from over a month ago haha

[sudden thorn]

I don’t know why the chat defaulted to there when I clicked on it then I thought that was from earlier today

[rocky plover]

😂

[sudden thorn]

better late then never

[rocky plover]

[sudden thorn]

the mp5sd is my favourite gun in the game it looks and feels good to use

Even though it uses 9mm bullets

[marble flume]

I don't think any of the MP5s are good, even though I really tried to make the MP5A2 work

I will admit, even a bad damage model doesn't seem to matter with a 1200 RPM machinepistol, though lmao

[rocky plover]

they're ok, better than ump9 tbh, but i would prefer the mpx, mp9 or spc9 for 9mm

[marble flume]

I tried making it work on Relapse just as a tester, and after several failed attempts I pulled out the Glock 18c and I think I did it first or second try

[timber marten]

gnome

[rocky plover]

oh on relapse definitely not, due to L3 armor none of the 9mm are "viable", glock18 is nice due to the insane fire rate lol

[marble flume]

Thats where it comes in handy; 9mm can only ever pen level 2 armor, so rocking the G18c with 9mm JHP works pretty well even against L3A suspects

[rocky plover]

yea

[marble flume]

Also its a pistol, so it basically never gets caught on any obstacles or anything and leaves your primary open for more interesting options

[rocky plover]

i use the same, since even Ap cant pen L3 might as well use JHP, might get lucky with limb shots, and have better stagger chance as well

[marble flume]

I know the FN 57 can pen level 3 with AP, but I always use JHP in it anyway

[rocky plover]

true, i just hate the 57

[marble flume]

I've been using it less, I find that it recoils pretty strange

Its also competing against the Glock 18c, and I'm a fan of anything with an "automatic" button

[rocky plover]

ye aiming/recoil is indeed very weird with it, same with 509

glock18 and s2011p are my new favorites even though they're 9mm

[marble flume]

I'm one of those "why aim precise shots when you can just burst-fire in their general direction" folks

[rocky plover]

ikr! xD

[marble flume]

Honestly, its the only way TO go when your enemies all move like crackheads

[rocky plover]

esp on hard lmao

[marble flume]

on hard you literally have to like prefire corners while enemies come around it

[rocky plover]

crouch free lean peek and hope you react before they shoot lol

[marble flume]

Like I was trying the restaraunt level on Hard, and holy shit its a doozy

The map has a whopping 30-second active shooter timer, so you have to basically speedrun the level, but uhh... "hard" difficulty requires the opposite of speedrunning

[rocky plover]

yea lmao

[marble flume]

and yet for some godawful reason I was actually trying to get S ranks on all base maps on Hard

currently on Greased Palms, lmao

[rocky plover]

my ocd made me do those, finally finished them

im down to help if ya want

[marble flume]

Doing it on Commander since the perks are pretty damn helpful; I'll probably stick to Armorer, Nutritionist and two Pacifiers for the beanbag shotty

[rocky plover]

yea solid choice

they're still easier in MP, than in SP with traits though lmao

[marble flume]

I was rocking two Negotiatiors and two Pacifiers, but I tend to go for a "shoot first, ask later" approach, and not having Armor/Nutrit means I die when I'm looked at too long lol

[rocky plover]

i learned that the hard way

[rocky plover]

ye also pretty good, but on hard, armorer and nutritionist kinda needed for the swat AI or they drop like flies

[marble flume]

Oh, I'm just soloing the map, I'm not using these asshats at all lmao

Its Greased Palms, if you use them, then you're using them PURELY as bullet fodder, because on Hard that's all they're good for in the first place

[rocky plover]

for the better tbh, use them as trailers xD

true hahah

[marble flume]

also it took me way to goddamn long to actually get all the traits I needed; probably had to run Lethal Obsession like 24 times

[rocky plover]

jeez xD, i would have kept making a new commander save and deleting and repeating until i got what i needed xD

but i did most of mine in either QP or MP solo and some in MP as duo

[marble flume]

I mean, this was already like seven missions in, so I'd have to redo all of that lol

[rocky plover]

yea i meant in the beginning xD

[hybrid shadow]

Guys what’s the better uniforms in general across America in your opinion. City cops or county sheriff deputies

Like which one has the most departments with nice uniforms

[nimble ravine]

twin fr

Well it’s my first way through anyways fuck standard mode and trying to complete the game like normal first go through

This way is better

[marble flume]

Oh, so that's neat.

The enemy 100% knows, through sheer fucking willpower, the exact instant you swap from your primary weapon to a grenade

Had a guy taking cover, dealing potshots here and there, and instant I go for a quicknade he rushes me down and guns me

[rocky rover]

guys, after advice from the community, I finally put ARN-180 under heavy testing (never tried before, usually use classic AR-15 platform and of course MK-17 whose I was in love with)

in a nutshell: this gun is dope!

so thanks to the community. btw, it was a cool occasion to test some new paths on well knowed map, and the fun was at rendez vous. as violent death too.

[winter pendant]

DM4PDW with suppressor has higher recoil but is shorter and with less sway/drag so it is good for a lot of quick turns/rushing through maps. Just pointing it out as a similar alternative

I swap between the two depending on my strategy

[rocky rover]

gosh what is that gun?

hmmm. worth a try eventually

[winter pendant]

It's in the pdw section. It's an M4 chambered in .300 with a shortened stock and cutoff barrel